Discussion What do you think Kishimoto wants Sasuke to become in the end? [Archive]

sho87

March 25, 2011, 09:15 AM

We all debate on how, Sasuke should die to redeem his crimes, or Sasuke should be alone and a wanderer and all sad endings for our main avenger Uchiha. But what does Kishimoto wants, if you had to specualate, surely beyond the fandoms feelings for Sasuke what ever they are, the authors main say in it matters most right?

I don't see this man laying Sasuke's fate into a dark end IMO, because he supports Sasuke life to a point he's writing the story about how vital Sasuke is to Naruto and his happiness with him back. Also I can't really tell if Kishimoto likes Sasuke as a character or not but I see him being giving a second chance and a new purpose. Maybe with Sakura as his wife or a new start with his Team Taka.

But I don't see Sasuke being killed or maimed or sacraficed because people's outlook on Sasuke's character is grim and realistic compared to Kishimoto's, I know Sasuke has a darker portrayal of a shounen rival in decades but at the end of the day, Sasuke is still in a shounen manga where he's as popular as the main character himself.

What do you think Kishimoto wants to do with Sasuke thats not based on a sasuke's haters sub conscious of wanting Sasuke to pay in a sense.:eyeroll

Delbi

March 25, 2011, 09:26 AM

DC009

March 25, 2011, 10:22 AM

I'll break down my view on how the ending will go for Sasuke in point form.

1. Naruto tells Sasuke whatever Itachi told him. Sasuke has an emotional epiphany and then realizes Madara must be stopped. So he joins Naruto and Sakura to fight him.

2. Madara is using the Tailed Beasts powers for himself. Thus becoming too powerful for them to defeat him.

3. There is only one shot to kill him, and Naruto has to sacrifice himself to give Sasuke the chance to take him out.

4. Madara dies and Naruto, who is dying, tells everyone (They all come to see him before he dies) to forgive Sasuke.

5. Big tearful funeral. Naruto is named as one of the Hokage (Will probably occur before he dies, but I like it this way).

6. Everyone starts to rebuild, the world has found peace, Madara got his goal (Not the way he wanted it...).

7. Flash to the future to show what everyone is doing. Sasuke (After much bridge building and heroic deeds) is Hokage and married (Most likely just a close friend) to Sakura. He is old, wise and has done many great things, thanks to Naruto. At the very end it shows an unruly child, who bears an uncanny resemblance to Naruto.

I am hoping that, if I am right, there are only a few other significant characters who die.

Off topic but...Some characters I think will die: Kakashi, the parents of Ino Shika Chou (Ino will marry Shikamaru), Neji, Kiba, Guy-sensei.

sho87

March 25, 2011, 11:18 AM

He's going to die, there is no way around it.

The crimes he has committed have made him an international criminal. The only way anything good happens to him is if he sacrafices himself to protect Naruto, Sakura, or to save the world.

Him getting off and wandering the world will never happen. MAYBE, if he didn't do what he did at the summit he could do that, but he is Madara's dog at the moment and Madara has waged war with the entire shinobi world. Simply put; Sasuke is fucked.

At this point there is no way around forgiving him. He's killed to many people and pissed off everyone with his actions, he can't simply get off no matter what he does a this point. If Konoha were to offer him asylum they'd instantly be hated by everyone.

Even though it's shounen, Kishi has pushed him down this path for a reason I think, and it is so he can sacrafice himself. Sasuke will die as the last Uchiha, thus ending their lifetime of bloodshed and redeeming the clan at the same time.So you honestly think this is what Kishimoto wants is gonna do, well this is your opinion but I doubt thats going to happen.(Sounds like this is what you want).

First of all, Sasuke is portrayed as being wronged, not because his clan is extinct but because it's the higher ups and the world leaders that were responsible for his clan demise, I doubt Kishimoto is going to leave that unpunished.

Second Kishimoto through Naruto said that even though there battle was inevitible neither of them is going to die and was going to be friends again. You can't be friends and just die. Thats not how Shounen works.

Kishimoto has said Naruto's biggest theme was bonds, restoring Sasuke's bond means leaving him alive. So Sasuke can't die on that principle alone. Also Sasuke being a main character has to live to see his errors change and how his clan is restored.

BYW, it doesn't really matter what the Naruto world wants, it's what Naruto himself wants, Naruto the main character and key character who will save the world and become the msot powerful thing in existance and beyond all while being the choosen one and child of prochecy, you might as well call him Godruto because no one will oppose him once he wants something. And he wants Sasuke to be saved.

THM Nindo

March 25, 2011, 12:26 PM

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1_2AsZQERQ
(If you can't watch the whole thing, watch only the ending from 7:30-7:42)

First, it's really really good.
Second, it's going to end pretty much the same way, IMO.

They will be together again at the end.
And Sasuke will either be forgiven or will go away as a hermit.

And it's okay, I guess.
Although I don't like Sasuke since he went crazy and tried to kill Naruto and Sakura, everytime I look back and watch an old episode of Naruto season 1, I can't help but hope that Naruto will succeed at converting him back.

(The only thing I don't want is for Sasuke to get the girl the hero love.)

sho87

March 25, 2011, 02:37 PM

jdw

March 25, 2011, 04:05 PM

He's going to die, there is no way around it.

The crimes he has committed have made him an international criminal. The only way anything good happens to him is if he sacrafices himself to protect Naruto, Sakura, or to save the world.

Him getting off and wandering the world will never happen. MAYBE, if he didn't do what he did at the summit he could do that, but he is Madara's dog at the moment and Madara has waged war with the entire shinobi world. Simply put; Sasuke is fucked.

At this point there is no way around forgiving him. He's killed to many people and pissed off everyone with his actions, he can't simply get off no matter what he does a this point. If Konoha were to offer him asylum they'd instantly be hated by everyone.

Even though it's shounen, Kishi has pushed him down this path for a reason I think, and it is so he can sacrafice himself. Sasuke will die as the last Uchiha, thus ending their lifetime of bloodshed and redeeming the clan at the same time.

Generally, I agree with this. Sasuke has painted himself into a tight corner. However, I do see a path to forgiveness, and it is a pretty slim path that I have spoken about before. Here is is:

Sasuke must undertake an act to protect Naruto or the shinobi word
It has to be the kind of act that Sasuke thinks will end with him dead because everyone who has done it has died before
Everyone involved has to think it is the kind of act that will end with Sasuke dead because everyone who has done it has died before
Sasuke miraculously defies death, but not through skill. It has to be luck/prayer. He must be damn near destroyed

Delbi

March 25, 2011, 04:29 PM

So you honestly think this is what Kishimoto wants is gonna do, well this is your opinion but I doubt thats going to happen.(Sounds like this is what you want).

First of all, Sasuke is portrayed as being wronged, not because his clan is extinct but because it's the higher ups and the world leaders that were responsible for his clan demise, I doubt Kishimoto is going to leave that unpunished.

Second Kishimoto through Naruto said that even though there battle was inevitible neither of them is going to die and was going to be friends again. You can't be friends and just die. Thats not how Shounen works.

Kishimoto has said Naruto's biggest theme was bonds, restoring Sasuke's bond means leaving him alive. So Sasuke can't die on that principle alone. Also Sasuke being a main character has to live to see his errors change and how his clan is restored.

BYW, it doesn't really matter what the Naruto world wants, it's what Naruto himself wants, Naruto the main character and key character who will save the world and become the msot powerful thing in existance and beyond all while being the choosen one and child of prochecy, you might as well call him Godruto because no one will oppose him once he wants something. And he wants Sasuke to be saved.

Well you are entitled to your opinion as well. But keep in mind, even though this manga is shounen, it's not your traditional shounen manga.

Naruto has very very dark themes in it, from genocide, torture and experimentation, and many deaths. Don't think for a second that the ending of this manga is going to leave everyone happy. Will it be a happy ending? Of course, but it won't be the happiest ending that's possible.

Sasuke being wronged does not justify all of his actions. He betrayed the village he swore an oath to, and now wants to destroy it despite his brothers wishes. He's killed and fought against those who have nothing to do with his clans demise and he's now following the orders of a mad man. There's only so much slack he can get.

Naruto actually said if they fought and he couldn't stop him they'd both die if I'm not mistaken.

The bond between Naruto and Sasuke can be recreated and Sasuke can still. Sasuke can become good again only to sacrafice himself. And as we have seen plenty of times, bonds in this manga transcend death.

Lastly, what Naruto wants doesn't mean much, just ask the Raikage about that one he straight up refused Naruto's groveling. Just because he is the child of prophecy doesn't mean he's always going to get his way. Not to mention, we have seen the prophecy change before, so there's a possibility it'll change again.

juUnior

March 25, 2011, 05:14 PM

I would like to see Sasuke ending dying, does becoming the tragic character in 110%. [Un]fortunately, Kishi's style suggests that he will in someway do it in a way that Sasuke will live in the end - the whole Naruto stuff going on with Sasuke being his friend and not redeeming him at the end? - I don't buy it, it would then be seen as pointless all that stuff <on a half-joke side: Naruto would go psycho probably xd> BUT if Kishi will kill Sasuke off <no matter what the way, good or bad>, I will be glad and say that Kishi has balls xd

THM Nindo

March 25, 2011, 05:18 PM

This is what you want to happen dude, I said what do you think Kishimoto wants.

And I believe no pairing will happen in the end.(It should be Sakura with Sasuke though IMO).

Re-read my post.
I clearly say that I think that this is how it's going to end and that "I'm okay with this".

This is not exactly how I would want the manga to end, but I'm sure it will end like that.

Rikudou King

March 25, 2011, 06:02 PM

Nonlife

March 25, 2011, 06:18 PM

Honestly, I think, no, I KNOW Sasuke is gonna live up to his "avenger" role and throw a BIG wrench in Madara's plan. (We know he's Kishimoto's favorite - more favored than Naruto - so we may as well cast our hopes on him dying; and the matyr role was fulfilled by his brother Itachi.)

insid3rkill3r

March 26, 2011, 01:24 AM

I honestly doubt that Sasuke will die at the end. The series may have some dark themes, but they've been twisted before to end up in Naruto's favor. Naruto has shown the power to influence others to his way of thinking and he had already begun so on some of the kages. His philosophy has already changed Onoki and the forces of the Alliance.

So far all of Sasuke's villainous actions are being blamed on manipulation from Madara and Madara has basically accepted the responsibility, so Sasuke's lesser actions are already being explained away. Konoha only wanted Sasuke's death to prevent war with the other villages, which is no longer a threat. They were already willing to excuse his actions up til this point. Kumo only wanted Sasuke death because they though he took Kirabi, but since that wasn't the case, they no longer have any personal involvement with him. Gaara was willing to accept Sasuke if he came over to the right side and neither Kiri or Iwa have expressed any concern about what to do with him. The only other real player is the samurai's, but if they didn't feel the need to kill Juugo and Suigetsu outright for invading the summit and killing their fellow samurai, Sasuke shouldn't be much different. Not to mention Konan was pretty much allowed to go on even though she was involved in the invasion of Konoha and killing their ninjas, so we have actually witness criminals basically left on their own.

Since it's likely that Sasuke will play a role in helping to defeat Madara and ending the war, that should have a major positive effect on how Sasuke ends up afterward.

I agree with you, but to me it seems Kishi has pretty much showed us that he wanted Sasuke to be considered a major threat thus a criminal who deserved to die.

He drove Sasuke into a corner by sending the Samurais as well as the Kages in his path, and he retalliated and fought back and because of that, i'd say it's safe to say he drenched his hands in blood.

Just like the majority, i'd say it's safe to assume at this point giving all the 'hints' we were given that Sasuke and Naruto vs Madara is bound to happen, but unlike you, i'm positive that Sasuke will die in the end.

While Naruto has his ways of convincing people and given that he and Sasuke will play the biggest role in defeating Madara, convincing others to forgive Sasuke wouldnt be out of reach, but for some reason, i just dont see it happening.

With everything that has happened, could Sasuke really live after achieving revenge on Madara? I mean with everything he's lost, the trauma he felt because of Itachi's truth, can he really live with that?

We've seen others deal with the loss of loved ones, but given the circumstances, i'd honestly like better to see at last to be able to be at peace of mind and to join the ones he loved (especially Itachi). While he made new connections with team 7, i just feel Sasuke doesnt belong there anymore, he deserves to rest in peace.

Besides, if Sasuke was to die at the same time as achieving both revenge/redemption, his sacrifice could be used for the whole 'Bring peace to the world' mission. With all great nations united, and witnessing such feat by Naruto and Sasuke, Sasuke's death could be used to show how revenge and hate tormented his life like no other, and if the chain of hatred was to be kept active, things like that could still happen.

Sasuke's death as well as the story behind him could very well beat some sense into people's mind and make them realise how important peace is. And what's better than having Naruto adding his speech no jutsu to toss it into people's heart, thus lead to the very first nations alliance and make Naruto it's supreme leader / kage.

Besides, even if Sasuke was to die, if he dies with revenge being accomplished thus him being redeemed, none of Naruto's words / Itachi's sacrifice would be wasted ;

Naruto will have saved Sasuke from the pain he kept his whole life and Itachi's sacrifice will have turned him into a hero to the whole shinobi world.

I'd rather have Sasuke be a tragic hero than a hero who's been spared by the plot no jutsu, he's simply too proud to become such thing.

sho87

March 26, 2011, 02:58 AM

Sasuke is to innocent in soul to die, Itachi said so. It's that reason he's spared death. His actions won't change the world by his death, it will have to be a joint effort by both Naruto and Sasuke to bring a era of peace.

Itachi sacraficed himself so Sasuke can change things for his cursed clan, Sasuke is the last Uchiha so if he died, Itachi's plan would have failed in more ways than one and the goal of Sasuke redeeming the clan would have been all for naught sense the world will view Naruto as a person who brought forth the new era and defeated all the evil, not Sasuke, and Sasuke is supposed to help Naruto with that.

Sasuke won't die because he's to serious a character, he will live because he'll be an example of Naruto's power over the world when he brings peace and disproves the chain of hatred.

Kishimoto IMO needs Sasuke, he's a part of the thing that fuels this manga's theme.

ashher

March 26, 2011, 06:56 AM

Sasuke will be naruto's danzo, but a danzo who has made friends with hiruzen. I see him as the anbu leader.

jdw

March 26, 2011, 07:01 AM

Sasuke will be naruto's danzo, but a danzo who has made friends with hiruzen. I see him as the anbu leader.

I can see that as a reasonable possibility. The hard part is making it sound reasonable getting there.

Franckie

March 26, 2011, 07:30 AM

Sasuke will continue playing the "avenger" role he's had ever since Day 1. It's just that he'll become the key for "peace" just so Kishi can further glorify Sasuke's plot and give the illusion that characters such as Naruto still have a role to play in this series. And lol @ Sasuke dying. Sasuke has a way out of everything. Or have people forgotten things like how the author conveniently overlooks Sasuke's negative actions such as ramming a Chidori through Naruto's chest?

insid3rkill3r

March 26, 2011, 06:24 PM

While both Hiruzen and Danzo as well as Sasuke and Naruto showed a rivalry to our eyes, they had pretty much nothing in common.

Hiruzen and Danzo had differences between their ideals, they both believed in different things and wether it was because of that or not, they never really showed to be somewhat of a connection until Danzo's flashbacks, it almost seemed as they were enemies from the way Danzo spoke of Hiruzen's way of doing this, it seemed like 'dislike' more than anything else.

Sasuke and Naruto didnt have that, they were like brothers, they were pretty much each's other real and first connection, they were best friends as well as each other's most imporant bond.

They didnt have differences in their beliefs, the difference is that one was a genius and the other one was a clown when he was young, which made Naruto envious and thus turned this bond into a rivalry, yet they didnt hate each other.

Revenge is the only thing that made them drift apart, if Sasuke was to get revenge on Madara and to live after, the sole obstacle that got between Sasuke and Naruto would be gone and nothing would prevent them from going back to the way it used to be.

Rivalry would most-likely remain, but friendship would win over everthing else, specially giving everything that has happened.

We've seen two different Sasuke, one that was pure at heart and once who's heart was covered with revenge/hate, if revenge is accomplished, Sasuke will most-likely be the one he was at heart once again.

But even with that said, i believe Sasuke will die, but he will go back to his 'old' self right before dying, thus make peace with himself as well as be friends more than he ever was with Naruto, cause there would be nothing standing between them this time.

sho87

March 26, 2011, 10:03 PM

Sasuke won't die, Kishi made that clear based on Naruto's beliefs and main objective and his ultimate test. Besides, if Sasuke dies, Naruto dies. It's that simple. Naruto stakes his life to Sasuke that if he can't save him, he can't save himself and he'll die with Sasuke ending the conflict between love and hate.

Thus Naruto will never become the Hokage, or the child of prophecy.

Smokes

March 26, 2011, 10:18 PM

No way Sasuke dies....or if he does, stays dead.

Maybe he sacrifices himself to kill Madara, since Kishi doesn't seem to be interested in giving Naruto the ability to oppose him, and then Tsunade uses Chiyo's technique to bring him back AND her rebirth technique on him to turn him into a baby.

Then Sakura will raise him until he's around nine and marry him. Possibly 3 or 4 years of that and he'll want revenge on Konoha all over again:cookiehand.

And the cycle of hate continues...... :cheez

Honestly, I'd almost seriously bet that in the end he really gets turned into a baby. That's the kind of thinking that Kishi has driven me to. :sweatdrop

jdw

March 26, 2011, 10:38 PM

Kishi would probably take it so far as humiliate Naruto by having him cleaning up Sasuke's baby-poo, trying to convince Sakura he can be a good man.

insid3rkill3r

March 26, 2011, 10:57 PM

Sasuke dying doesnt mean Naruto failed.

Itachi believed Naruto would be able to save both Konoha and Sasuke, but what does that 'saving' really imply?

To me Sasuke being saved could very well mean to be put on the right track.

If Naruto with maybe the help of Itachi's gift could speak the truth about Madara using Kyuubi, Sasuke would realise revenge on Konoha isnt what he should be aiming for, but revenge on Madara.

To me it seems that Sasuke needs to be saved from the shinobi world's hate more than anything else, and the only way for this to happen to do defeat Madara so that Sasuke can at last furfill revenge once and for all, Sasuke dying wouldnt matter, cause he would have been saved from that pain at last, and he would finally be able to rest in peace.

And if Naruto was to die, it doesnt mean the prophecy wouldnt be achieved.

The whole shinobi world would have witnessed Naruto trying to save Sasuke from the grip of hate and in the end would have succeded by having both of them fight and defeat Madara, their death would have a huge impact and could snap some great sense in them.

Naruto could very well be made Hokage right before he dies, or even after he does, but either way i don't see Naruto dying. He said he wanted to should Sasuke's ahte and die with him, but that him talking as if they will die fighting dying each other which i highly doubt will happen, Sasuke needs to furfill his life goal, or Itachi's sacrifice will have been wasted as well as Sasuke's whole drama.

White Silver King

March 27, 2011, 12:26 AM

Kishi will make all of Sasuke's wrong doings OK because once everything is over Naruto, the newfound savior of the world, will give a heart-wrenching speech about Sasuke's past and his "reasons" for doing what he did and that he has changed. Sakura will cry (and Naruto too of course) and everyone in the ninja world will forgive him and him and Naruto will live happily ever after as the BFFLs they were always written to be.

jorped

March 27, 2011, 05:20 AM

Smokes

March 27, 2011, 06:47 AM

you really think that ? after this training Naruto is probably at least equal to Sasuke, the battle between them is going to be awesome!

I don't know Jorped. On top of the amaterasu and sussanoo and genjutsu and maybe the spiritual weapons and whatever new thing he has, the sharingan also affords him Izanagi.

I'm guessing that he probably figured it out by now. He knows about it and watched Danzou do it at least 4 times after he figured it out. When Naruto said they would both die, one death with a power like Izanagi would just be an inconvenience.

So Naruto with possibly no clones and a few extra arms and yet another rasengan is gonna have a hard time.

I hope it's awesome, I think they were about to be well paired but after Naruto finishes his new rasengan, Sasuke will have some new stuff too. So I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that Kishi makes it work without having to add conditions to give Naruto a fighting chance......I'm worried.....

Don't mind my cynicism. I lost the last bit of my faith when finally taking the foxes power culminated into yet another rasengan. Kishi could have done anything, and yet he chose to do the same thing he's been doing for 7 years. After waiting all that time for it, I feel robbed.

jorped

March 27, 2011, 07:04 AM

I am not seeing Sasuke using Izanagi cuz to use it he also needs the have the blood of the senju running from his veins , and that is something that he don't has.

I have been following Naruto manga weekly since around chapter 400 , which is more and less since two and half years , and maybe i don't feel the same way about the rasengan than people that have been following it for more time.

I wouldn't mind if Kishi made Naruto learn something new but i don't really mind if he is learning an other rasengan. he needs something, that has a destructive power even greater than the futon rasen shuriken , i think that even Susano wont be able to guard against this new jutsu of Naruto.
And also what i am more crazy to see is not even close this new jutsu , but yes , the power that Naruto has in rikoudo mode , that based on what i saw against Kisame , it sounds it is going to be something great :) and at the same time i dont want Naruto to forget of Sage Mode , and because of that maybe i am expecting a fusion of both :omg

sho87

March 27, 2011, 07:16 AM

Sasuke dying doesnt mean Naruto failed.Yes it does, Sasuke is Naruto's responsibilty and his birden alone, he said that both were going to die if they fight with all they had. Sasuke won't pull his punches nor will Naruto, and because of that Naruto has to save Sasuke and stick to his beliefs that Sasuke can be redeemed without either one dying.

Itachi believed Naruto would be able to save both Konoha and Sasuke, but what does that 'saving' really imply?Itachi wanted Sasuke to be the Uchiha clans last hope, Naruto wants to save Sasuke and Konoha with no compromises. He means he will take his cake and eat it because Naruto believes Sasuke and Konoha can be brought back and obtained for peace.

To me Sasuke being saved could very well mean to be put on the right track.It's more than that. IMO Kishi implied that Sasuke is a part of the new generation of peace, he can't die by not seeing what Naruto has done or will do, he's supposed to live and be happy like Naruto is once all is said in done.

If Naruto with maybe the help of Itachi's gift could speak the truth about Madara using Kyuubi, Sasuke would realise revenge on Konoha isnt what he should be aiming for, but revenge on Madara.Naruto could convince that Revenge isn't all thats left, but the will to protect and prevent any chains of hatred anymore from suffering.

To me it seems that Sasuke needs to be saved from the shinobi world's hate more than anything else, and the only way for this to happen to do defeat Madara so that Sasuke can at last furfill revenge once and for all, Sasuke dying wouldnt matter, cause he would have been saved from that pain at last, and he would finally be able to rest in peace.But Sasuke doesn't want to die, he wants to make things right for Itachi and his clan, he won't rest until his clan is avenged. But it's up to Naruto to stop him and change his path. According to Kishimoto, the world is wrong for taking his family away from him, so there is no true good side and evil side in this story.

And if Naruto was to die, it doesnt mean the prophecy wouldnt be achieved.Naruto has to be alive for all of this to come to pass. He's the freakin main character.

The whole shinobi world would have witnessed Naruto trying to save Sasuke from the grip of hate and in the end would have succeded by having both of them fight and defeat Madara, their death would have a huge impact and could snap some great sense in them.Unlikely, Naruto and Sasuke are the main characters, the world is secondary to their importance. Maybe teamming up to take down thew Jyuubi and saving everyone will have them heroes in front of everyone. If Sasuke dies, everyone will be glad, because the source of their pain will die in front of them along with Madara and everyone will see Naruto as the greatest. I doubt Kishimoto wants Sasuke to go out in front of the people that still love him like Sakura or Karin or somebody and most of all Naruto who promised himself that saving Sasuke and sholdering his hatred and pain was the only thing that matters to him now.

Naruto could very well be made Hokage right before he dies, or even after he does, but either way i don't see Naruto dying. He said he wanted to should Sasuke's ahte and die with him, but that him talking as if they will die fighting dying each other which i highly doubt will happen, Sasuke needs to furfill his life goal, or Itachi's sacrifice will have been wasted as well as Sasuke's whole drama.Naruto made a promise to himself that he would never become Hokage or abandon his dreams if he can't save Sasuke and protect him from Madara and the chain of hatred. He being the main character will succeed. It's that simple. Sasuke will have to learn to live with relying on Naruto because it's not his manga.

luffyg2

March 27, 2011, 07:41 AM

Maybe he sacrifices himself to kill Madara, since Kishi doesn't seem to be interested in giving Naruto the ability to oppose him,

I dont see how naruto does not have the ability to stop either madara or sasuke... he seems pretty strong to me and he<s still learning... having the etnernel mangekyou does not mean that you automatically win ... since madara lost to hashirama...

THM Nindo

March 27, 2011, 09:55 AM

Sasuke will be naruto's danzo, but a danzo who has made friends with hiruzen. I see him as the anbu leader.

Hmm... no, I doubt it....

Naruto is going to change the Ninja way or the entire world, remember?
People like Danzou won't be needed anymore.

ashher

March 27, 2011, 12:55 PM

Not exactly the way danzo was. I told 'a danzo who is friends with hiruzen'...like a failsafe you know. If naruto fails to do something because he is too soft, sasuke will do it. But of course naruto will not fail, that's the loophole you see :wink. About the point that jdw raised, about how sasuke's change could be credible depicted, i think it may not be that difficult. Sasuke might tag team with naruto to save the world from jubi, thereby redeeming himself to the mass.

xXan

March 27, 2011, 03:22 PM

Sasuke is going to be in the end Anakin Skywalker... Right now he is Darth Vader.

Smokes

March 27, 2011, 07:00 PM

I am not seeing Sasuke using Izanagi cuz to use it he also needs the have the blood of the senju running from his veins , and that is something that he don't has.

Well, Madara needed the senju power to become a new Sage of six paths. Izanagi is just another power of the sharingan. He didn't need senju power for Izanagi....at least that's what I gathered.

But I see a fusion as a possibility too for Naruto. I hope that fixes maybe the clone weakness....but I'm not sure what it will do for offense.

I dont see how naruto does not have the ability to stop either madara or sasuke... he seems pretty strong to me and he<s still learning... having the etnernel mangekyou does not mean that you automatically win ... since madara lost to hashirama...

I'm not really giving him an automatic win. I just don't see how he's going to deal with the powers he's up against. He doesn't have hiraishin no jutsu. He could have made up for that with clones but now he can't use clones. Seems he'll just be running around dodging arrows and flames trying to hit susanoo with a rasengan and not get caught in a genjutsu. But that, right now, is the extent of his offense. So I don't know what all Sasuke will be doing (he's got options), but I know exactly what Naruto will be doing because he's only got that one thing he can do. Personally, I want Naruto to pound him, I just don't see how that could happen right now.

zori

March 27, 2011, 07:44 PM

i fink madara has Shisui Uchiha eyes and is using it to control sasuke. if you think about it after he killed itachi and u thought he would turn good he met madara and he started wanted to kill everyone. and itachi met madara soon after killing Shisui.

dragoon3646

March 27, 2011, 09:20 PM

it seems like sasuke fanboys want naruto dead, and sasuke married to sakura, and sasuke haters want sasuke dead.

i think how it's going to go is one final battle against the 10 tails/madara, naruto and sasuke must join forces. sasuke learning the error of his ways gives up his eyes/itachi's eyes to naruto making naruto the new sage of six paths. naruto then uses this power to seal the 10 tails or destroy it.

afterwards they both live happy lives as heroes. sasuke blind to make up for his past crimes. or an even better idea is sasuke finds his old eyes. you never know with those uchihas, eyes are like shoes to them just get a new pair!

Rikudou King

March 27, 2011, 11:47 PM

I am not seeing Sasuke using Izanagi cuz to use it he also needs the have the blood of the senju running from his veins , and that is something that he don't has. Senju Dna is needed to make Izanagi last longer. Any Uchiha with the Sharingan can use Izanagi, but it will only last of a second.

xXan

March 28, 2011, 01:50 AM

Senju Dna is needed to make Izanagi last longer. Any Uchiha with the Sharingan can use Izanagi, but it will only last of a second.

Madara words where "the briefest of moments". I don't think we can give it a exact time limit only on that and more so i don't think its only a second:P

Rikudou King

March 28, 2011, 03:56 AM

Second, moment, it basically means the same thing. Point is that without Senju Dna, Izanagi isn't all that effective to an Uchiha.

Smokes

March 28, 2011, 04:10 AM

Second, moment, it basically means the same thing. Point is that without Senju Dna, Izanagi isn't all that effective to an Uchiha.

Well, how long does it take to turn death into an illusion?

I'm not understanding how it wouldn't be effective. It would just come down to timing and those guys have in their natural perfect way, perfect timing. Plus, it seems that Madara used it when he was killed by senju Hashirama. Even if it lasted half a second, an Uchiha could probably use it.

Jessie

March 28, 2011, 04:22 AM

Even if Sasuke lives and is redeemed, I don't see him ever returning to Konoha. I think even Kishi realizes that ship has sailed. In an ironic twist, Sasuke might end up the new Jiraiya and travel the world, occasionally checking in on Konoha and Naruto. Sakura will move on.

Kishi will make all of Sasuke's wrong doings OK because once everything is over Naruto, the newfound savior of the world, will give a heart-wrenching speech about Sasuke's past and his "reasons" for doing what he did and that he has changed. Sakura will cry (and Naruto too of course) and everyone in the ninja world will forgive him and him and Naruto will live happily ever after as the BFFLs they were always written to be.
Yes, Naruto will make it a point that Sasuke was a "victim" of the ninja system. A system that Naruto will destroy. Sasuke won't be blameless, but most of his sins will be absolved similar to Gaara.

Rikudou King

March 28, 2011, 04:30 AM

Well, how long does it take to turn death into an illusion?

I'm not understanding how it wouldn't be effective. It would just come down to timing and those guys have in their natural perfect way, perfect timing. Plus, it seems that Madara used it when he was killed by senju Hashirama. Even if it lasted half a second, an Uchiha could probably use it. It wouldn't be effective because they would have to know the exact moment they will be dying and activate Izanagi right that second for it to work. A second to fast or slow, and they lose it.

sho87

March 28, 2011, 06:17 AM

DaDarkDude

March 28, 2011, 12:12 PM

In the end, Sasuke will most likely break free of his bondage as his puppets, but his heart will still be clouded with hatred and revenge. Revenge isn't an easy emotion to control or get rid of. Sasuke has gone his whole life wanting revenge. It's relatively impossible for him to live side-by-side happy with the people of Konoha anymore.
He'll want to deliver his own justice, and that would most likely be death to all. In the end, I believe Kishi just wants Sasuke to remain the image of how ugly revenge can make a person. I honestly can't see Sasuke turning back anymore. Gaara was still young and committed unnoticeable problems with small deaths, but Sasuke has descended to the ranks of Akatsuki and is wanted internationally for attacking the Kage summit.

He has no chance anymore. Even Sakura and co. have realized this.

Jessie

March 28, 2011, 02:30 PM

Hate to break it to ya, but Sasuke is a part of the tean 7 Naruto wants to restore.
So Sasuke has no say in his life and it's all up to Naruto? Naruto is now Sasuke's keeper? It's only about what Naruto wants? Sasuke should be able to do what he wants as long as he is redeemed.

Team 7 should never be the same again. If both Naruto and Sakura expect things to go on like before than they are very naive.

Brill

March 28, 2011, 03:31 PM

Well the question asked is what does someone whose lost everything do after they've realized everything is gone? Sasuke could rebuild his life or go off and hide on a hill somewhere. There are multiple ways to do it, but Kishi is pretty much a straight arrow when it comes to his themes, so Sasuke is going to be redeemed in the end. Does this mean Sasuke will die? I'm going to say no. You can't redeem yourself and die-that's the easy way out. Especially, when Kishi puts all this forshadowing down that Naruto is going to succeed with Sasuke where as Jiraya failed with Orochimaru.

Is there a life for Sasuke after this, sure. Sasuke needs to learn how to interact with people again. He may not be unscathed from this ordeal, however. He may even be blinded via Izanagi to demonstrate the blindness that had afflicted Sasuke his entire life since the slaughter of his clan. Hell, if Kishi wants to be really generous he can have Sakura break the genjutsu after Sasuke has spent enough time in penance box. If Kishi can quickly make Sauske the #1 enemy :p, he can easily make him forgiven as well.

Naruto's goal is the reunification of Team 7 and I don't see him failing at that. Team 7 may be greatly changed by these events but I believe they will all be together in the end. That's how shounen series end whether we like it or not. :)

katon_style

March 29, 2011, 03:59 PM

the best fitting is hokage but that place is prenoted by naruto.he is much strong to be a jouning or an anbu leader so i thinbk kishi will leave him to be free lol

ninjabot

March 29, 2011, 07:21 PM

Naruto beats Sasuke and he lays immobile, incapable of fighting back. At that point, Sasuke sees the recorded message Itachi left in Naruto's head (thanks to a last ditch effort genjutsu Sasuke tried to stop him with). Naruto and Itachi talk Sasuke into regretting his actions, just as Naruto leaves to go stop Madara. Naruto's in dire straits till Sasuke shows up and helps, and their combined efforts stop Madara-zilla in his final boss transformation.

Then, Naruto finds that Tsuki no Me has started already, and he can't stop it. Sasuke uses the Gedo Mazo somehow to break the jutsu at the cost of his own life (Madara's fortress explodes or something). Years later Naruto's Hokage and there's a legend about a eye-patch wearing ninja traveling the world as a mercenary avenger known only as the One-Eyed Hawk.

Yeah. If Kishimoto wanted us to really think Sasuke could die he shouldn't have shown us that one can cheat death with the Sharingan (Izanagi). Ofcourse, they'd have to think of a way for him to get Senju blood to use a longer Izanagi but I don't really think that's necessary.

Raicrune

March 30, 2011, 04:35 AM

Years later Naruto's Hokage and there's a legend about a eye-patch wearing ninja traveling the world as a mercenary avenger known only as the One-Eyed Hawk.
Nice!

I bet, After Naruto hearing about the one-eyed Hawk, he would suspect it's Sasuke and starts to go after him again -.-

Would be a funny ending tho:p

sho87

March 31, 2011, 10:57 PM

Well, this is an interesting topic.

I think sasuke lacks quite a few personality traits,posessions, and characteristics that made Orochimaru,Uchiha Madara, and Uzumaki Nagato true anti thesis to Naruto.

1. Command/Empire
The sole reason we don't see sasuke as that motherfucker not to be messed with is because he is always facing overwhelming odds... ALONE. Sasuke is walking a path down perdition that doesn't have room for others, thus we never get that feeling like he is the most dangerous individual since he can always be hit with numbers.

Orochimaru had a fledgling ninja village that was already so strong that it had gained recognition by the 5 great villages. It was smaller than the rest, but it was potent as all hell. This is because orochimaru was a despot in a world full of term presidents. Unlike the kage, he was god to the sound ninja, and they let him experiment on them however he wished.

Pain also was a god in his country, which again was small, yet held a strong geographical location. To them he was a god that took care of his people, and although he was feared greatly, that safety they felt was that like a loving parent. He was God the Father to the rain country.

Madara? Controls all the controllers. Everyone who has been in opposition to the five great villages has been under madara's thumb. Including the two other examples. With the power to control minds, he could infiltrate a position of power and insert a puppet regime in minutes.

Sasuke doesn't give a fuck. He can barely run a 4-man cell.
there lies the problem.

2. Charisma.
Where the first is military command, the second is the ability to inspire others. At this point, sasuke has lost any trace of charisma he had before. Because of his actions and handsome face, he was desired by many, but even before, he rarely associated with others and wasn't one to speak often.

Sasuke cannot move the people. Not like Orochimaru, Not like Nagato, and not like madara. He doesn't have that patience with people, understandability or grace in communication.
Because he lacks all of it, it's absence isn't frightening. He doesn't turn it off, because he has to turn it on first.
That doesn't give people the shock.
When tobi first changed into madara, everyone knew shit just got real.

Sasuke says frightening things ALL the time, and it is undercut by his own lack of social graces. He almost always acts like a bastard, so we can't tell if he is just being himself, or has resolved to do harm.

3. Personal Power.
He is still learning, so he doesn't have that... Sharpness.
Everything sasuke does seems smart, but it doesn't feel like the end. A few times this is not true, such as his casting of Kirin. That was horrifying, but he doesn't feel like a master yet.

This is the last reason, since his personal power is always growing, so because of that, it is the least of his problems. With awakening the eternal mangekyou, Sasuke will be sitting on the font of power. Using it wisely will be the test.

Being alone is what makes sasuke less imposing. He is immature, so only growing into the true way to pursue power will lead him to the right path. Being an avenger is not scary, unless you are the victim of the vendetta.
Being a Conquerer is scary. That is what they were, and he is not. Holders of power over others. He doesn't have control of himself yet.

Once he begins to see clearly, then he will become truly frightening.

Sasuke lacks maturity and insight, he's still a kid and he is still young. His actions will forgiven for that reason.

jalix

April 01, 2011, 09:32 AM

In the end, I think Kishimoto will redeem Sasuke to some degree. He might even provide some fan-service for him to temporarily work with Naruto & Sakura as a sort of 'last reprise' of team 7 to defeat a common, monstrous enemy. That'd be a nice hommage to the sannin as well & allow them to surpass them emphatically with a type of reunion they didn't really have except in the Tsunade arc as enemies. But as for him returning to Konoha and a bit of a romantic view of him being part of 'team 7' again, that seems far fetched even if Naruto would beg others to forgive him.

If Sasuke were to die, I don't think that would be a failure on naruto's part either because the definition of 'saving' Sasuke is so ambiguous & open to being interpreted in a myriad of ways - and I think that's exactly how the writers want it. All speculation, but I don't think he necessarily has to die to atone for crimes he committed anyways... sacrificing himself to save the friend that always believed in him seems obvious. Meanwhile if he were to live, but to leave and live on his own, I can also see this as being a success - in that he would have found the strength of character to find another path, to accept his old crimes & grow from the mistakes in a more positive way. Naruto's level of forgiveness and message may not be how all others feel, so that scorn would be what Sasuke's character would have to face. Would be interesting if he accepted it and moved on.... could keep the story going even further IMHO.

So I don't think Sasuke has to die. Temari said he was an internationally wanted criminal and has 'No future', and he's done some nasty stuff & will do more bad stuff. But with "Naruto", it could be that somehow, in some way, he does see some other life for him... that being, whatever he makes of it... which would require him to 'forgive' himself, not just others.

Jorge D. Dragon

April 07, 2011, 07:27 AM

I actually hope that Kishi will kill Sasuke by Naruto's hands. It would be fair and logical.
Sasuke is going deeper and deeper into darkness, so I don't see him coming back, cause he becomes more and more insane with his every fight.
After he tried to kill Sakura and saying that he wants to destroy Konoha I hope Naruto will grow up and kill him to break the chain of hatred and let the World be in peace.:)

feisu-chan

April 07, 2011, 09:03 PM

I think Kishimoto will redeem Sasuke in the end. Whether he would kill him off, or he'd make Sasuke return to Konoha, I'm not entirely sure...

but for me, I can't see Sasuke going back to Konoha even if he was redeemed. I also cannot see him dying (because I don't want him too...) I also see him as a wanderer. Pretty much like Rurouni kenshin. He'd spend his time travelling alone, trying to atone for everything else - ALONE. He would turn down the Hokage's (that's Naruto) invitation to go back to Konoha.

patedecarne

April 07, 2011, 10:03 PM

Well, I don't think Sasuke will find redemption in the end. Actually, he's gone too far on his quest, beyond any salvation.

If anything, he'll find death.

Hatred has consumed him, I think even Naruto can't save him anymore. This isn't a bad thing, though. It shows that Sasuke was able to fulfiil his own convictions during his life.

"He who lives by the hatred dies by the hatred".

Sasuke will become a perfect character once he fulfill such lines. This is his way of ninja.

Actually, I'd be pissed if somehow Sasuke becomes good again, this just doesn't fit with his character anymore.

Sasuke is a revenger, that's all. That's the true nature of his character. "Love" isn't exactly what he needs for now...

feisu-chan

April 08, 2011, 01:20 AM

I don't see Sasuke being all good and chummy with his previous acquaintances, either. I can only see him to be a lone wanderer, trying to cut his ties with the ones he had tainted his bonds with. He will live on, alone, and would not find anything to live for after he had finished redeeming the name of his clan. I remember a thread with Kusachu before, and I share her sentiments that maybe, in the end, Sasuke would kill himself because he has nothing to live for anymore...

But of redemption? I think in the eyes of Team 7, he will get to redeem himself. I believe so since, this page (http://www.mangareader.net/93-48084-9/naruto/chapter-486.html), shows that Kishi is trying to somehow make Sasuke still vulnerable to what Naruto would have to say. He wanted to stay on and listen to Naruto's words.

In time, Naruto's words would reach him, getting the redemption he only needs to show to his old teammates...

Jammin

April 08, 2011, 10:10 AM

Ultimately, i expect Kishimoto is going to have him live out the time honored tradition of redemption though death.

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I really don't expect the question of "can he be forgiven?" to be addressed anymore. He'll die in battle as to prevent that question from ever coming up.

Not to mention what his own conscience would do to him should he decide that what he's done was wrong. He's tried to kill Naruto(multiple times), Kakashi, Sakura(multiple times), Karin, and left Suigetsu and Juugo to die. Then there's the people he successfully killed and what happened with Itachi. He's basically harmed every single living person he's ever cared about; to say nothing of the consequences helping Tobi and Orochimaru have had.

Sasuke lives on pride and hate. Take those two things away from him and he would fall apart and probably kill himself. Which is one of the many reason why i think his character is never meant to get to that point. I mean, in many ways him living would be a lot more brutal than him dying.

killy-.-

April 08, 2011, 12:34 PM

Naruto and Sasuke will fuse together propably thx to Izanagi (dbz) they( he NaruSasu or SasuNaru if we look at DBZ) with powers of both sensju and uchiha will fight against Madara + 10 tails ( to be honest i dont belive that Madara is able to control 10 tails, its the most powerfull bijuu with the best genjutsu), its gonna be a rematch, rikudu senin (uchicha+senju) vs 10 tails ...
later they are gonna use the last EMS eye or kakashi's MS to split up

sho87

April 09, 2011, 06:46 AM

You people are so pessimistic, this is a shounen. Therefore all your specualation about Sasuke's fate is to grim and serious for a shounen series like this.

Sasuke hasn't had a chance to live his life or improve his character based on his own will, he's always been forced or manipulated to act on his emotions and love for his brother. But the thing is, Naruto won't let that happen, he'll make Sasuke see his point of view and make him turn from the fate of others into his own person and free will without anything or anyone controling him or forcing him to do there bidding and play on his fragile mind and heart. Thats the theme Kishimoto wants to enchance, for the younger generation to surpass the old ways and mature into the new era of peace. Sasuke will mature, and Naruto will help him by saving him and help him into the future.

Sasuke is also being manipulated, he doesn't know what he wants and he has no strong foundation on his morals to choice an absolute path in his life since the entire series he's been used and manipulated by others when truly he's a pure person with little guidance.

So him dying would not only ruin his chances for learning stronger feelings outside of revenge but it would make the series contridict it's theme of bonds and promise.

And Naruto the main character has the absolute control over the actions of people turning good and over a new leaf. NO way is he going to leave Sasuke in his hopeless persona after he fights him, he will change Sasuke and turn him into a new man free of guilt, revenge, and darkness.

Fighting Spirit

April 10, 2011, 10:12 AM

sasuke must redeem himself by becoming hokage. Lol
or sasukes death will cause naruto to mature and prepare him for the role of hokage

warbandit66

April 12, 2011, 07:54 PM

Sasuke's always been very family orientated, although it seems as though he has no interest in women in a romantic capacity at this moment in time I believe this is because he wishes to accomplish the goals that he has set for himself before settling down.

Rikudou King

April 12, 2011, 10:14 PM

True, there's no way that Sasuke would allow his beloved clan to end with him if he had a choice and with his apparent looks, he wouldn't have to work very hard to rebuild.

warbandit66

April 13, 2011, 07:17 AM

True, there's no way that Sasuke would allow his beloved clan to end with him if he had a choice and with his apparent looks, he wouldn't have to work very hard to rebuild.

But there is the obstacle of his infamy.

king Rayleigh

April 13, 2011, 01:46 PM

KISHIMOTO
will bring sasuke back to konoha by naruto..how?
naruto will be the hokage and the old generation will have no say in the situation
and the other's will have no power to oppose the legendary strongest hokage ever..!

badluckartist

April 13, 2011, 10:59 PM

It seems clear that Tobi is training Sasuke to breed the missing half of the Kyuubi into existence- finally circumventing Minato's 16 year long halt to his plans. I have no idea how it will totally resolve, but I'm assuming Naruto is going to somehow take the half of the Kyuubi that Sasuke created (killing him or not), thereby fulfilling his promise to take all of his hatred into himself. Literally and metaphorically.

Also, I promise you that Zetsu is a moon alien, sent as an emissary from the Jyuubi to set all of these events into place ages ago; it's currently using Tobi and the Zetsu army to scatter the seeds (spores, in this case) for its ultimate goal: to make the earth its new host. Tobi probably knows the whole plan, but doesn't care so long as he gets his precious, precious revenge. I like both of these scenarios because they are truly neutral to Kabuto's intervention (and even his backstabbing, for the most part), and also answer questions like:

"Just what the hell would Tobi have done if Kabuto never showed up?"
"Why do those Zetsu things seem to suck so bad?"
"Why is Zetsu so suspiciously compatible with Moku cells and bijuu chakra?"

I'm 97% sure that Sasuke will be dead, one way or the other, by the end of the story. He could be redeemed (at the very least, personally to Naruto), but that's not quite as likely as his death, imo. He went from insisting upon not killing, to killing J and the samurai, to stabbing through Karin. This is called the Moral Event Horizon (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralEventHorizon), and shonen villains are not known for coming back from it alive by the end.

If Kishi writes it in as Tobi and/or Zetsu's manipulation, it'll either be jumping the shark (highly likely), or somehow a complete masterstroke (not beyond Kishi's capability, but highly unlikely).

Franckie

April 13, 2011, 11:09 PM

But there is the obstacle of his infamy.

Which every character conveniently glosses over.

Rosebunse

April 18, 2011, 12:22 PM

I'm going with the baby theory. Why? Well, then everyone's happy. In fact, that's exactly what I see Itachi's gift to Naruto doing. If Sasuke actually tries any genjutsu on Naruto, then Itachi's jutsu will activate and turn Sasuke into a harmless, innocent, too-cute-to-kill baby. The Uchiha will be redeemed, Sasuke will be punished/redeemed, and Naruto will have his friend back :), and there will be HinataXNaruto!

jdw

April 18, 2011, 04:34 PM

For this theory, can we work in Sakura's life being the Sacrifice for Baby-no-jutsu?

Rosebunse

April 18, 2011, 05:20 PM

For this theory, can we work in Sakura's life being the Sacrifice for Baby-no-jutsu?

Harsh! But then I would feel bad for her. I mean, sure, she's annoying, but Sakura does love Sasuke and Naruto, she's just in love with Sasuke. I can't be mad at her when she's doing what a lot of 16 year old girls do, which is not act rational around guys. Then, this small crush becomes a 4 decade long affair that results in two kids...But I digress. I want her to end up with Sasuke some how...I guy she changes diapers? Oh Kishi...

Jammin

April 18, 2011, 07:59 PM

I'll never understand why some NarutoxHinata fans(lookin' at you jdw:amuse) feel the need to dream up ways for Sakura to get snuffed. If you like your pairing have just faith in it. If it's meant to be it'll happen and what happens to Sakura doesn't matter one way or the other.

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As for the baby idea. Can't say i like it.:darn

I could definitely imagine it happening, but i would not be at all happy it. Mainly because if you take away all Sasuke's memories and give him the ol' character reset, it wouldn't really be Sasuke anymore. It would just be Naruto's adopted son with a predisposition for being a douche bag, that happens to also be named Sasuke. Everything that made Sasuke who he was would be just as gone as it would be if he was dead and that poor innocent child would probably end up carrying some serious emotional baggage when he eventually finds out the full story on his own history.

Might as well just have Sasuke die for real(as himself) get some resolution and then have Naruto name his child Sasuke in the epilogue. Or, if Kishimoto becomes absolutely dead set on finding a way for Sasuke to survive and keep his redemption at least semi-believable, have him straight up die heroically and get resurrected. Go for the symbolic kind rebirth instead of the more literal, reduced to a child, variety.

jdw

April 18, 2011, 08:12 PM

Even if Hinata gives up and Naruto goes with someone other than Sakura (or with Hinata herself), I am still hoping for Sakura's demise for many sins over the years :)

I don't like her, NaruHina aside.

Rosebunse

April 18, 2011, 08:56 PM

I'll never understand why some NarutoxHinata fans(lookin' at you jdw:amuse) feel the need to dream up ways for Sakura to get snuffed. If you like your pairing have just faith in it. If it's meant to be it'll happen and what happens to Sakura doesn't matter one way or the other.

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As for the baby idea. Can't say i like it.:darn

I could definitely imagine it happening, but i would not be at all happy it. Mainly because if you take away all Sasuke's memories and give him the ol' character reset, it wouldn't really be Sasuke anymore. It would just be Naruto's adopted son with a predisposition for being an douche bag, that happens to also be named Sasuke. Everything that made Sasuke who he was would be just as gone as it would be if he was dead and that poor innocent child would probably end up carrying some serious emotional baggage when he eventually finds out the full story on his own history.

Might as well just have Sasuke die for real(as himself) get some resolution and then have Naruto name his child Sasuke in the epilogue. Or. if Kishimoto absolutely dead set on finding a way for Sasuke to survive and keep his redemption at least semi-believable, have him straight up die heroically and get resurrected. Go for the symbolic kind rebirth instead of the more literal, reduced to a child, variety.

All I can say is that, yes, it would be as if the old Sasuke died. But at least Itachi's hope that the Uchiha would be redeemed. And at least Sasuke would have some chance of a happy childhood. And the point would kinda be that the new Sasuke would take the news of what happened better.

I think another point to make is that no matter what happens, no one is going to be entirely happy with the ending.

Jammin

April 18, 2011, 09:26 PM

Even if Hinata gives up and Naruto goes with someone other than Sakura (or with Hinata herself), I am still hoping for Sakura's demise for many sins over the years

I don't like her, NaruHina aside.Ah, well i recommend trying what i do with Killer Bee. Close my eyes and try to pretend he doesn't exist.

Which should be even easier with Sakura because Killer Bee has gotten waaaay more screen time than her lately.....which is somewhat upsetting to me now that i think about it(She'll become more of a heroine my @#$! Kishi's interviews are so full of......).:mad

All I can say is that, yes, it would be as if the old Sasuke died. But at least Itachi's hope that the Uchiha would be redeemed. And at least Sasuke would have some chance of a happy childhood. And the point would kinda be that the new Sasuke would take the news of what happened better.

I think another point to make is that no matter what happens, no one is going to be entirely happy with the ending.That's not quite what i meant by "not being happy about it."

Whatever happens is obviously going to be a huge pinnacle moment for the series. Sasuke being reborn as a child in the way you suggest basically dodges everything and resolves nothing. Which is what makes it seem so bad to me.

Sasuke has done bad things. He needs to attains some form of redemption in order to give any value to his character(and more importantly justify the value Naruto places on his character), and that's not something that another character can do for him. While Naruto and Itachi paying the price for him by resetting Sasuke's might be possible, in that scenario the old Sasuke's story will forever remain incomplete. Sasuke as the person he is and the person Naruto called a friend would never really have understood or resolved anything. And Naruto will have completely failed in his goal to save that person.

All the chapters on Sasuke and Naruto and their relationship with one another would just seem like one big waste of time and paper to me.

Muka

April 20, 2011, 03:32 AM

I don't think Kishimoto will kill Sasuke.
I think he will change side when he'll hear what his brother have to tell him.
Maybe he will join forces with Naruto to take Madara down, that would be great.
But after all that, I think he wouldn't be able to escape a judgement for all that he has done.

Charizardon

April 21, 2011, 07:43 AM

Somehow I think Sasuke will die in front of everyone and then get somehow revived by Naruto, he then lives his live alone or with someone or even a small group secretly.

Since right now i don't think anyone besides Naruto and his friends wants Sasuke to live or just be plainly forgiven.
This way it will be a happy ending right? :)

Rosebunse

April 21, 2011, 10:01 PM

Ah, well i recommend trying what i do with Killer Bee. Close my eyes and try to pretend he doesn't exist.

Which should be even easier with Sakura because Killer Bee has gotten waaaay more screen time than her lately.....which is somewhat upsetting to me now that i think about it(She'll become more of a heroine my @#$! Kishi's interviews are so full of......).:mad

That's not quite what i meant by "not being happy about it."

Whatever happens is obviously going to be a huge pinnacle moment for the series. Sasuke being reborn as a child in the way you suggest basically dodges everything and resolves nothing. Which is what makes it seem so bad to me.

Sasuke has done bad things. He needs to attains some form of redemption in order to give any value to his character(and more importantly justify the value Naruto places on his character), and that's not something that another character can do for him. While Naruto and Itachi paying the price for him by resetting Sasuke's might be possible, in that scenario the old Sasuke's story will forever remain incomplete. Sasuke as the person he is and the person Naruto called a friend would never really have understood or resolved anything. And Naruto will have completely failed in his goal to save that person.

All the chapters on Sasuke and Naruto and their relationship with one another would just seem like one big waste of time and paper to me.

Like I said, there are some people who want Sasuke dead, or tortured or something. Whatever happens to him, the readers will feel jipped in some way. Sasuke's done so many bad things, and since this is shoenen, we know he's going to be kinda redeemed some way. Yep, in some way, someone will not be happy.

Jammin

April 21, 2011, 10:30 PM

Like I said, there are some people who want Sasuke dead, or tortured or something. Whatever happens to him, the readers will feel jipped in some way. Sasuke's done so many bad things, and since this is shoenen, we know he's going to be kinda redeemed some way. Yep, in some way, someone will not be happy.And my point was that was never my concern. I don't want Sasuke dead, it just seems like that's only way left for it to play out that wouldn't seem cheap and hollow.

My concern is that the quality of the story itself would suffer. Not really anything to do with my personal preference. I don't really care about Sasuke one way or the other. I'd be fine with Sasuke living as long as it could be made to be even semi-believable and bring the plot to a resolution.

The reason i believe he will die redeeming himself is because, quite frankly, i don't see any other believable options that manage that.

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My personal opinion of Sasuke is this.....

They only problem i had with Sasuke as a character was that i thought he was dry and a little boring, which was only a problem when the focus of the manga shifted to him as opposed to Naruto(whom i've always found much more interesting). Sasuke has become a stagnant character to me.

Any interest i had in him is long since used up(since about the time part 2 began i think). At this point i only care about him with regards to how it effects Naruto. Sasuke could live forever or die in the next chapter and, quite honestly, it probably wouldn't make a bit of difference to me; as long as whatever happens doesn't harm the quality and believability plot.

leoluchzibritannia

April 22, 2011, 12:34 AM

Rosebunse

April 26, 2011, 08:18 AM

I am trying my best to understand but i still don't get it.
Regardless of what his done, why the heck do so many people believe that his redemption can only be achieved through his death? It just still seem really funny to me.

You see, this is beginning to become like the death penalty debate or something. Face it people, someone will either think that it's going to a too easy deal, or be sad that Sasuke died and there goes the Uchiha clan. Or if the baby thing does happen-:D-then it would be the same thig, just that instead, people, would think that it wasn't enough. C'mon, turning him into baby would be like killing him, just also giving him another chance!

sho87

April 28, 2011, 08:54 PM

Kishimoto has Sasuke in a great predicament(Turning to the dark side, wanting to kill Naruto and Konoha), but is he in a situation where Kishi wants us to feel sorry for him. Or is he supposed to be dislikeable by proxy.

Rosebunse

April 29, 2011, 06:06 PM

3shinkyo3

April 29, 2011, 07:59 PM

Personally i dont want sasuke to be killed off at the end as i think it would be horrible end to a victimised clan. Really hoping naruto gets through to him somehow(hopefully itachi's gift) and gets him to let go of his anger. Then they can team up to defeat madara as i really liked the fights where naruto and sasuke teamed up they just complimented each others strengths too well.

Muka

April 30, 2011, 08:26 PM

Kishi had been really clever with Sasuke's development.
Sasuke only killed "bad" people.
And even with all the wrong he's doing, he still appears as a suffering one.
So the redeem will be simple to introduce, IMO.

Muka

April 30, 2011, 08:43 PM

I was talking about "bad known" people ^^ of the manga (sorry i wasn't precise)
It's true he killed a lot of persons, but it "only" T_T was figurative people in the manga.
AND because he appears like a suffering one, he still appears forgiveable. I think. ^^ (it's like Gaara)
But i still think he should be punished in some way. Judged then punished.

Muka

April 30, 2011, 09:06 PM

Yes maybe ^^ He need to be punished. But Kishi succeeded in making Sasuke still a little touching ^^

M3J

April 30, 2011, 09:14 PM

Nonlife

May 01, 2011, 09:11 AM

He won't suffer; as Kishimoto's favorite, Sasuke's a shoe in for the most convenient act of redemption. (Plus, with Naruto as his friend, he'll just get a slap on the wrist for his mideeds in the past.) Sasuke, like Nagato, exemplify the manner of people born from the "indubitable" Ninja system.

Franckie

May 01, 2011, 10:41 AM

Yes maybe ^^ He need to be punished. But Kishi succeeded in making Sasuke still a little touching ^^

Sympathetic? Sasuke crossed the line when he rammed a Chidori through Naruto's chest and willingly went to someone such as Orochimaru.

He won't suffer; as Kishimoto's favorite, Sasuke's a shoe in for the most convenient act of redemption. (Plus, with Naruto as his friend, he'll just get a slap on the wrist for his mideeds in the past.) Sasuke, like Nagato, exemplify the manner of people born from the "indubitable" Ninja system.
This. Oh god this. Sasuke will only get a slap a wrist as he has been doing for the past 300+ chapters. People shouldn't count on Sasuke's "redemption" being believable considering other dubious stunts the author has pulled.

Rosebunse

May 02, 2011, 05:57 PM

I think Sasuke in the end will become what Evil Buu or Vegeta was to Dragon Ball Z, someone who was bad but for person reasons and turned good or was reincarnated as a good person. Howver, Buu was reincarnated because of Goku and his want for a tough opponent to fight, and Vegeta was a villain at the start. It's likely Sasuke could also be like Shinobu from Yu Yu Hakusho, a good person turned "evil" due to what he witnessed (humans torturing demons), but still having a speck of good in him.

Either way, Sasuke will most likely symbolize evil either being defeated or reformed, a way to say that evil won't prevail against righteousness. If Sasuke does live, he'll likely be punished, but he will also live in regret for what he's done.

After years of thinking on it, there is a difference between Vegeta and Sasuke. Vegeta killed lots and lots of innocent civilians. Whole planets worth of people. And sure, maybe he didn't have much of a choice, he seemed to enjoy it. And he was very close to killing his own wife and child. Vegeta got off very easy.

Sasuke may be crazy, but at least those samurai were soldiers and knew there was a chance of dying. No, Sasuke hasn't actually killed any civilians yet. He may talk about it, and plan it, and tried it, but he hasn't actually gone that far.

kusomaru

May 02, 2011, 07:00 PM

I think it is fair to say that the only person who can redeem Sasuke is Naruto, but that other individuals, e.g. Madara, Kabuto, are just as capable of killing him. There are four possible outcomes, which I'll rank from least likely to most likely.

Sasuke lives and is not redeemed.
Sasuke dies and is not redeemed.
Sasuke lives and is redeemed.
Sasuke dies and is redeemed.

I find the last option most likely. Perhaps Sasuke will defeat Naruto in combat again, but after whatever revelations take place during the fight he will find himself unable to kill the one person who stubbornly refused to give up on him. Alternatively, he won't be able to kill him because Madara needs the fox. Then he'll turn on Madara and die, but not before enabling Naruto to defeat Madara. Substitute Madara for Kabuto, Rikudo Sennin, Juubi, Zetsu, Shisui. It's hard to say who the "final boss" will be.

I think Madara needs to succeed in extracting the nine tails, and the above scenario provides an opportunity. Kishimoto set up Naruto surviving the extraction by having his mother do the same.

sho87

May 03, 2011, 08:51 AM

Rosebunse

May 03, 2011, 11:10 AM

Good analogy.
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No really, Sasuke warned them to back off, and as a ninja, he is entitled to kill them for the reasons of that.

Yeah, I think we all forget that these people are soldiers. As soldiers, they should have a fair idea that they could die and that the people they are fighting WANT them dead. That's why Sasuke gets something of a pass on everyone, save maybe Karin. And then fate-Kishi-stepped in and saved him from killing her.

M3J

May 03, 2011, 09:55 PM

After years of thinking on it, there is a difference between Vegeta and Sasuke. Vegeta killed lots and lots of innocent civilians. Whole planets worth of people. And sure, maybe he didn't have much of a choice, he seemed to enjoy it. And he was very close to killing his own wife and child. Vegeta got off very easy.

Sasuke may be crazy, but at least those samurai were soldiers and knew there was a chance of dying. No, Sasuke hasn't actually killed any civilians yet. He may talk about it, and plan it, and tried it, but he hasn't actually gone that far.

He hasn't, but he has killed people, which effectively robs him of any innocence he had. Killing good people is something a bad guy would do, so while he may be redeemed, it still doesn't change the fact that he killed good people despite them being soldiers who knew what they were getting into. Even with Orochimaru, he refused to kill innocent people and only wanted to kill Itachi, a known criminal, which meant he had some good in him. I don't really blame him for killing the samurai though for the reason you said.

The difference was that Vegeta's race was violent like that, he was raised to be destructive and powerful and had arrogance. Sasuke wasn't raised like that, even though he had arrogance.

sho87

May 04, 2011, 07:07 AM

He hasn't, but he has killed people, which effectively robs him of any innocence he had. Killing good people is something a bad guy would do, so while he may be redeemed, it still doesn't change the fact that he killed good people despite them being soldiers who knew what they were getting into. Even with Orochimaru, he refused to kill innocent people and only wanted to kill Itachi, a known criminal, which meant he had some good in him. I don't really blame him for killing the samurai though for the reason you said. But Sasuke's job is to kill people for a living. Shikamaru and Chouji have killed people, even Sakura has tried to kill. If you think Sasuke was going to go without taking a life in this manga, thats highly naive of you.

And the Samurai were neither good or bad, they were fodder. Danzo wasn't good either. Sasuke has killed or defeated bad people or people out to kill him out of self defense.

Funny you mention Itachi, despite his innocence and sacrafice still helped kill innocent people to find tailed beasts and even roflstomped Sasuke because he had to remaind him of his hatred.

The difference was that Vegeta's race was violent like that, he was raised to be destructive and powerful and had arrogance. Sasuke wasn't raised like that, even though he had arrogance.And the Uchiha are like the sayins, born on violence and war for the sake of supremacy. Sasuke fits there discription to a tee, epecially the arrogant and destructive part. Sasuke was raised to hate reguardless and be prideful of his clan which he later found out was planning to topple Konoha due their oppression to them.

Rosebunse

May 04, 2011, 12:02 PM

jdw

May 04, 2011, 03:50 PM

Rosebunse

May 04, 2011, 04:08 PM

They were innocently protecting the own lands and leader. They had done no harm to Sasuke or the Uchiha clan. They were not accused of having done anything to anyone at that time. Sasuke invaded their land and their stronghold. Dont invent or ignore things to grant Sasuke absolution.

I'm not saying he was right to do that or anything, I'm just saying that Kishi has left things open for Sasuke to not be totally damned. Should they just welcome him back with open arms? No, no not at all. He has proven himself to not just be untrustworthy, but dangerous and unstable.

But what's it going to do to kill him? It's just going to be the same thing, again, and again. Madara wasn't redeemed. Orochimaru...well, he's kinda different. Don't group him in with Itachi, Madara, or even Danzou. At least they were thinking of others and not just themselves. But the important thing is, he has to be redeemed, or else me reading this since I was 14 has been in vain. That's 5 years people. Five years wasted. And some of you have been on this for even longer than that!

Jammin

May 04, 2011, 04:43 PM

I'm not saying he was right to do that or anything, I'm just saying that Kishi has left things open for Sasuke to not be totally damned. Should they just welcome him back with open arms? No, no not at all. He has proven himself to not just be untrustworthy, but dangerous and unstable.

But what's it going to do to kill him? It's just going to be the same thing, again, and again. Madara wasn't redeemed. Orochimaru...well, he's kinda different. Don't group him in with Itachi, Madara, or even Danzou. At least they were thinking of others and not just themselves. But the important thing is, he has to be redeemed, or else me reading this since I was 14 has been in vain. That's 5 years people. Five years wasted. And some of you have been on this for even longer than that!I would say that his situation would be worse if Sauske had burned down and orphanage or something, instead of killing his way through a bunch of soldiers but that doesn't really make what he did any less heinous. Those men where guarding territory they had every right to guard and he invaded and killed them. Solders or not, they were in the right and he was in the wrong.

That's just one of the pile of things he will have to pay a price for eventually.

I think he can and will find a measure of redemption. But it will be something that he has to attain, Naruto can't do it for him. And considering his crimes, i think it's going to have to be one hell of an act of selfless heroism(the kind you die doing generally).

Honestly, i don't view that as a bad thing. That's just what the end of a story is all about. If he goes out that way he'll probably go with a smile on his face. I don't think there is anything to feel cheated about there. I say give him an end worthy or remembrance.:)

ninjabot

May 04, 2011, 05:20 PM

sho87

May 04, 2011, 05:22 PM

Sasuke has also done some good in the world as well, he has taken down Orochimaru and 2 akatsuki.

Jammin

May 04, 2011, 05:31 PM

If he needs to do something costly enough to erase the deaths he's caused, then simply stopping Madara is enough. Saving countless millions would cancel out the fact that he killed what... 7 dudes that he warned before killing? 8?That fact that he warned them counts for nothing. You break into a military facility and warn a guard that your going to kill him if he doesn't get out of the way. Everything is still on you 100%.

If he could solo Tobi(and i mean solo, as in "by himself") and give a tearful apology(you know show actual remorse). That might be enough, at least conceptually, to get him a pass(maybe).

But what do you thinks the odds of that are?:p

M3J

May 04, 2011, 06:40 PM

They are soldiers. Ninja, samurai are soldiers! They are not innocent, they are suppose to be killing-machines! Sure, they should know when to not kill someone and all that, but they are soldiers, and as soldiers, not out of the killing zone.

And God, if you dare call Ororchimaru innocent because he didn't kill too many people on panel, then that kinda speaks for itself.
When did I say the samurai were innocent...?

Um, I was talking about Sasuke, not Orochimaru. Even against 1000 fodder ninjas he refused to kill them, and his reaction was like this against the prisoners when Sasuke was forming his 4-man cell.

And the Uchiha are like the sayins, born on violence and war for the sake of supremacy. Sasuke fits there discription to a tee, epecially the arrogant and destructive part. Sasuke was raised to hate reguardless and be prideful of his clan which he later found out was planning to topple Konoha due their oppression to them.
They actually got along with Konoha or at least didn't resort to fighting until near the end. Saiyans would have just fought for domination as soon as they had a chance. And from what we've seen, Sasuke was never raised to be violent or warring-centric until the Uchiha Massacre and even then, he didn't go killing innocent people until Tobi told him everything. He never hated until Itachi killed Uchiha, and even then it was only Itachi he hated. Tobi is the one who made Sasuke into a mass of hatred.

ninjabot

May 04, 2011, 08:37 PM

That fact that he warned them counts for nothing. You break into a military facility and warn a guard that your going to kill him if he doesn't get out of the way. Everything is still on you 100%.

It counts against the intelligence of those warned. When your life is in danger and pride and duty is placed above your life, and you die because of it, then it shouldn't be ignored that your bad judgement screwed you over (in addition to the 600 pound Gorilla stomping through your home). They died against their better judgement. It's circumstance, really.

If Sasuke had dropped right into the middle of the summit, and 100 samurai were in the way, and Sasuke said to everyone in the room with Danzou "I'm here to kill Danzou. Stay out of the way and you won't get hurt." And everyone got the hell outta the way, and there were no casualties save for Danzou, Fuu, and Torune, I would hope you'd accept him honoring his word.

If he could solo Tobi(and i mean solo, as in "by himself") and give a tearful apology(you know show actual remorse). That might be enough, at least conceptually, to get him a pass(maybe).

Not at all, because there isn't a single ninja in the world at this moment who's capable of the same feat, not even the Chosen One. Likewise (and you knew I was coming back to this) Gaara didn't have to move the earth and kill Orochimaru by himself to be accepted as an ally of Konoha. Infact... what the hell DID he do to make everyone forget he was a massmurderer?

Anyway, it costs just as much, if not more, for Sasuke to step up and fight the fight no one else in the world is capable of fighting (at the risk of his own life) as it would if he just died crying that he was sorry. Whether he delivers the final blow or not. Think of it along the lines of Naruto stopping the angry lynch mob by telling them that he saved more lives in that one night then he's killed in his lifetime.

The parents, siblings, and children of the dead samurai had their lives spared AND saved by Sasuke. They'd be hard pressed to swing a sword down on the neck of the man who guaranteed their future. And the fact that Naruto is pressuring them to reconsider makes the decision even tougher. Yeah, if Sasuke dies after a display like this, then it won't be from the law choosing so. It'll be from someone holding a grudge.

jdw

May 04, 2011, 08:51 PM

Rikudou King

May 05, 2011, 01:18 AM

I really doubt Sasuke will be penalized for killing the samurai. The entire ninja culture is based around killing, so Sasuke doing what ninjas do would hardly be something punishable. Now invading their country would be a different issue.

Muka

May 05, 2011, 11:12 AM

Sympathetic? Sasuke crossed the line when he rammed a Chidori through Naruto's chest and willingly went to someone such as Orochimaru.

I know that.
I don't like Sasuke at all, I don't like people that react like him when a suffering comes.
But I understand him.
I can't help but being empathetic to him.
It's just like Naruto is.
He could have killed Nagato without talked to him.
But he didn't.
Yes Sasuke has done A LOT of bad things, but we can't help but being empathetic.
That's the whole story in Naruto manga.
There once were bad guys, but suddenly you discover they aren't THAT BAD, and that they're suffering. And you can't help but being empathetic.

That's what i was trying to explain.

ninjabot

May 05, 2011, 05:13 PM

It counts against the Samurai? This is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. It is 100% Sasuke's fault with no blame on the Samurai. They were rightfully in their country, not harming anyone, doing their jobs. They did not do anything to Sasuke to bring him there. From the moment he arrived on their lands it was on him. Honor and duty are virtues, especially when undertaken in accordance with ones actual rights.

It counts against their intelligence, or better judgement. When you have a chance to protect yourself and those around you and you choose to squander it, it's YOUR bad. The term "Don't be a hero" fits perfectly for this situation. As for them doing nothing to bring him there, I never said they did. But that's also more reason for them not to fight a fight that's not theres. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. All it took was stepping aside. No one would blame them.

Having something to protect in their case was perfectly fine. Protecting their homelands, their leaders, their friends. Who knows what would happen if they all just stand aside and let Sasuke have his way. To even suggest that these men lack intelligence is an argument made by a person who stands below them in all meaningful ways. They did nothing wrong.

Ofcourse it was. But that wasn't the way to do it. They may not have done anything wrong, but they DID do something stupid. And that's fight a losing battle (that wasn't theirs to fight). None of them were killed until they decided to call his bluff. Blind heroics are not respectible in the slightest. Forsight to protect yourself and the people around you however, is.

You're one of those geniuses who'd lead your platoon into a losing battle just because it's your duty to fight the enemy forces, when the smarter plan would be to give them the POW (that's not even apart of your military) they want back and avoid casualties. And then cry that you didn't do anything wrong when your crew gets gunned down for your ingenius decision.

Also you say they had things to protect like their homelands, family, and friends... which is complete BS. NO ONE was in danger except Danzou, and those that would aid him. They weren't protecting anyone but Danzou (unknowingly). You're acting like Sasuke had a C3 anging above the country threatening to bomb the place.

SouichirouNagi

May 05, 2011, 07:46 PM

Sasuke has still a way to come back to the village.

He killed Itachi, Deidara, Danzou and some Samurai.

The Samurai part is kind of tricky, He told them to back off because his goal was Danzou, they didn't and attacked Sasuke if he didn't defend himself he would be killed. I'm not saying that "he told them so.." but the Samurai were fully aware of their options LIVE or Die, well they died.

"But he invaded the summit" If you are after something or someone you have to go where that something or someone is.

He has to die to be redeemed. No he doesn't if he has an important part on the death of Madara and the truth about Itachi is revealed I pretty sure that everyone despite everything would forgive his action.

Still if he continues with the idea of destroying Konoha and kill some innocent people, then theres no turning back. Sasuke still have a chance to go back.

I understand what Sasuke is doing, put yourself in his position and suffer what he suffered. Revenge isn't the right thing. Well I guess in this case is pretty plausible.

P.S: Sorry about the English I'm Portuguese :tem

jdw

May 05, 2011, 09:22 PM

Being after someone or something doesn't mean you have a right to go where it is to get that which you are seeking.
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It counts against their intelligence, or better judgement. When you have a chance to protect yourself and those around you and you choose to squander it, it's YOUR bad. The term "Don't be a hero" fits perfectly for this situation. As for them doing nothing to bring him there, I never said they did. But that's also more reason for them not to fight a fight that's not theres. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. All it took was stepping aside. No one would blame them.

Ofcourse it was. But that wasn't the way to do it. They may not have done anything wrong, but they DID do something stupid. And that's fight a losing battle (that wasn't theirs to fight). None of them were killed until they decided to call his bluff. Blind heroics are not respectible in the slightest. Forsight to protect yourself and the people around you however, is.

You're one of those geniuses who'd lead your platoon into a losing battle just because it's your duty to fight the enemy forces, when the smarter plan would be to give them the POW (that's not even apart of your military) they want back and avoid casualties. And then cry that you didn't do anything wrong when your crew gets gunned down for your ingenius decision.

Also you say they had things to protect like their homelands, family, and friends... which is complete BS. NO ONE was in danger except Danzou, and those that would aid him. They weren't protecting anyone but Danzou (unknowingly). You're acting like Sasuke had a C3 anging above the country threatening to bomb the place.

I will say this, the Samurai were hosting a summit, why would they give up their guest to a terrorist who invaded their country and stronghold? Sasuke had not demonstrated any good faith at all.

As for leading my forces into a losing battle because it is my duty to fight enemy forces, when the enemy has already invaded my home, there is nothing left to do but protect it, why should they retreat when there is something to protect, like ones leaders, friends, etc. They have taken significant options off the table, like negotiating in good faith without an imminent threat hanging over your head (or active hostility underway). Letting Sasuke waltz in could have ramifications beyond just standing aside. It could open them up to attacks from other countries, lose the faith of the shinobi nations, cause upheaval among their own military, etc. You are acting like standing aside for Sasuke would not come with any costs besides just giving Sasuke what he wants because he somehow deserves it. Letting people do as they please to you can come at a significant price, and you should recognize that before saying naive things.

The samurai had no reason to trust Sasuke, and could have ended up dead even if they stood aside for Sasuke. By this time, Pain had already invaded konoha and destroyed the place, etc. There are so many levels to this that you are unwilling to even try to understand because you are a Sasuke appeaser, as if no one else matters.

oniichan powaa

May 23, 2011, 10:43 AM

What do you think Kishimoto wants Sasuke to become in the end?

Most probably this... :blink

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Rosebunse

May 24, 2011, 01:00 AM

What do you think Kishimoto wants Sasuke to become in the end?

Most probably this... :blink

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Can we put the creepy snail monsters from Uzemaki in that poster? God, I hate those things. May that thing never be translated into English...but I still think something like that will happen to Sasuke towards the end. Maybe that's what Gedo Mezo really is, just a big beacon for negative energy.

zouzou

May 24, 2011, 12:39 PM

Well, Sasuke will not die by the end or all what Naruto did will be in vain. In addition, Sasuke's death= Naruto not being a Hokage.
To be honnest i don't want to see a bad ending, since for me, someone's death is something sad, thus Sasuke's death will only bring sadness to Naruto and Sakura so .....

Prince Sasuke

May 24, 2011, 06:33 PM

This will be one of those DBZ movie endings.

Naruto will change Sasuke to good, they fight and kill Madara. While everyone is jumping up and down with joy, Sasuke disappers....

Jorge D. Dragon

May 25, 2011, 12:24 PM

I think in the end Kishi will make Naruto propose to Sasuke, but Sasuke will reject him and then Naruto will teach him like he taught Kuyubi with Rassen Shuriken and Rasengan Barrage.

Rosebunse

May 25, 2011, 02:43 PM

This will be one of those DBZ movie endings.

Naruto will change Sasuke to good, they fight and kill Madara. While everyone is jumping up and down with joy, Sasuke disappers....

So Sasuke would either be a ghost or a Namek? Wow, now that would be sweet :D

marioschluse

May 26, 2011, 06:03 AM

leoluchzibritannia

May 26, 2011, 06:24 AM

In my opinion,
there are no good ending possible anymore.
All possibilities listed up here sound so cliche-like or are unrealistic for me.

If sasuke sacrifices himself, it's really cliche-like and so predictible...
If he is killed by naruto as a bad guy... this would be cliche-like, too... and really boring.
If sasuke becomes a good guy in anyway, it's too unrealistic: How can somebody change 180° so easy, when he was such a freak for a so long time?
How can people forgive him?

Then let me ask you why shouldn't they not forgive him?
1. This is shounen. I have yet to read a shounen as popular as this where a major character dies ( expect you want him to pull a dragon ball where characters kept coming back to life).
2. Not everybody wants him dead. All he needs to do is have naruto preach to them and all would be well :p
3. Naruto: All the above reason. Believe it!

HANZO90

May 26, 2011, 01:14 PM

In my opinion possible end for Sasuke would be: Naruto uses itachi;s gift and takes out his sharingan

Jspot

May 27, 2011, 09:36 AM

These days, everything is "cliche", because it's all been done before millions of times. What matters is the context of the results and how they are brought about. Sasuke's story could go any way Kishi wants it too, and saying it shouldn't go a certain way because it would be too "cliche" is honestly ridiculous.

juUnior

May 27, 2011, 11:05 AM

Jspot, you're absolutely right. IF Kishi kills Sasuke in the end <I don't consider here the WAY he would die, whether by converting at the end himself to good side of the power or sth similar>, I will say he didn't go the way most fighting shounens went - to me it would be sth "new". Though I'm somewhat sceptic if Kishi has balls to become somewhat "non-stereotypical" mangaka ^^'

KuziKawe

July 24, 2011, 10:53 AM

Um... I would like to say this to all of those who say Sasuke will die...
It won't happen. For Sasuke to be redeemed he can not die. If Sasuke is to be forgiven and absolved from his crimes how will death bring that ? Sasuke must live with regret and repent....If he were to die how would that happen ? Death won't make the Narutoverse forgive him;Living to correct the faults he created, will.

Fighting Spirit

July 24, 2011, 08:38 PM

I think its more about what he'll have. I mean, what does Sasuke have? That wouldn't matter if he's destined to die though.

jaymizzo

July 24, 2011, 09:37 PM

I think Sasuke is going to turn into Rikudou Sennin

Fighting Spirit

July 24, 2011, 10:14 PM

I think its more about what he'll have. I mean, what does Sasuke have? That wouldn't matter if he's destined to die though.

Rosebunse

July 25, 2011, 10:55 PM

I think its more about what he'll have. I mean, what does Sasuke have? That wouldn't matter if he's destined to die though.

What do you mean? Like what quality of life he would have or how he would be remembered? Because even if he gave his life to help Naruto in the final fight, I don't see too many people really liking him. I can see them building a statue or something to Itachi, but not to Sasuke.

jdw

July 26, 2011, 07:13 PM

Rosebunse

July 26, 2011, 07:20 PM

Yeah, those dogs of Konoha never build anything for actual traitors.

http://oi54.tinypic.com/2rx7l9v.jpg

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Yeah, that's a pretty huge statue. But we don't know that Tobi is Madara, so the jury is still out on that one. Besides, it seems to me that Hashimaru did probably really respect Madara, so there's that. And I meant that if the truth ever got out about Itachi, that maybe he would get some kind of memorial.

jdw

July 26, 2011, 07:29 PM

Even if they do not know Madara is Tobi, they knew when they built it that Madara was a traitor. Sasuke could get a post-redemption statue/memorial. Naruto respects him.

Fighting Spirit

July 27, 2011, 10:05 PM

What do you mean? Like what quality of life he would have or how he would be remembered? Because even if he gave his life to help Naruto in the final fight, I don't see too many people really liking him. I can see them building a statue or something to Itachi, but not to Sasuke.

Something along the line of the "suns" that Naruto and Killer Bee have. Naruto has always wanted to be hokage, and then later he gained people to protect. Sasuke had that when he was younger, but he lost it when his clan had to be slaughtered. After that the only thing that he lived for was revenge, and Madara made that worse. The kind of life Sasuke leads would be affected by that type of stuff. But like you said, I doubt that people's minds would change about him.

Rikudou Sennin

July 29, 2011, 01:47 PM

Sasuke already killed to many other people. I wouldnt like it on one hand. On the other, I would love to see Sasuke beeing the leader of anbu or the konoha police.

Hmmm....right now it seems he will die, but you never know.

killbill

August 01, 2011, 12:17 AM

Probably a dick......wait he's already one! :D
If this manga is doomed then sauske will become naruto's friend again and live happily ever after.If not then i see sauske becoming the epitome of hatred.Vengence will destroy him and he'll die,but i doubt that'll hapen.It would suck if he too will convert to narutoism which is what will happen i think.

zerocooldx

August 01, 2011, 07:37 PM

Kishi is probably going to have Sasuke end up being some type of a tragic hero who gets a level of redemption then dies a noble death. However making Sasuke into a priest within Naruto's church would be far more entertaining....i think.

Chojin

August 01, 2011, 07:47 PM

Sasuke and Naruto will fuse into the true sage of six paths and the prophecy fullfilled, beating the final bijuu. Sasuke will leave Konoha to rebuild his clan, either Karin or Sakura pregnant.

Prince Sasuke

August 02, 2011, 06:07 PM

I actually think Sasuke will end of having some kind of role like Jiraiya. Be a ally to the leaf but free to roam whenever he wants.... maybe do top secret mission or S- rank missions that no one else can handle.

Vengeance

August 02, 2011, 06:28 PM

The only acceptable outcomes for Sasuke at this point are Exile or Death.

lobo971

August 03, 2011, 02:41 PM

he will become hokage ;) something like that anyways ;)... thing is with the ramp up on powers we saw lately, the one and only option weill be to get finally Sasuke and Naruto work as a team. being true ying/yang rivals, their combined powers is the only thing that should match the sage's powers. Sasuke will find out he's been manipulated by revengefull Obito *sorry* Madara and will be saved by Naruto who will breack the circle of hatred once and for all.

mattiaildivino

August 03, 2011, 03:43 PM

he will be defeated by naruto and he will understand. then he will come back to the village,apologise and such things. then he will stay there with naruto hokage.he will be one of the strongest of the Leaf and one of the people that defend it most.

Rosebunse

August 03, 2011, 09:53 PM

Did anyone else notice that part of Itachi's plan seemed to revolve around brainwashing Sasuke into protecting the village? After that hearing that, I'm at the point where I really don't know what Kishi's going to. At this point, the question isn't who's going to win, but what will become of Sasuke?

beasticon999

August 14, 2011, 04:19 AM

In my opinion..Sasuke dying?I beg y'all to get those notions off ur minds cuz it'll never happen.Naruto and Sasuke,so close and yet distant that as been the basis of their relationship.To Kishimoto their roles are interchangeable.Sasuke dying will not change the state of world,purging out the uchiha will accomplish anything...Naruto purpose is not just to bring but to initiate a new order where love and forgiveness are law(sorta) nd Sasuke will just be the first to be judged in this regime.

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In my opinion..Sasuke dying?I beg y'all to get those notions off ur minds cuz it'll never happen.Naruto and Sasuke,so close and yet distant that as been the basis of their relationship.To Kishimoto their roles are interchangeable.Sasuke dying will not change the state of world,purging out the uchiha will accomplish anything...Naruto purpose is not just to bring peace but to initiate a new order where love and forgiveness are law(sorta) nd Sasuke will just be the first to be judged in this regime.

---------- Post added at 03:19 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:19 AM ----------

In my opinion..Sasuke dying?I beg y'all to get those notions off ur minds cuz it'll never happen.Naruto and Sasuke,so close and yet distant that as been the basis of their relationship.To Kishimoto their roles are interchangeable.Sasuke dying will not change the state of world,purging out the uchiha will accomplish anything...Naruto purpose is not just to bring peace but to initiate a new order where love and forgiveness are law(sorta) nd Sasuke will just be the first to be judged in this regime.

young simba

August 15, 2011, 02:11 PM

Seeing how Narutoseems to get shatter by Kishi i think sasuke will somehow end up better than Naruto. Something like naruto dying in the final battle to save the world and rid the world of the jyuubi forever. All this causes sasuke to acknowledge Naruto and live the rest of his days carrying on naturist legacy. He may even become homage in narutos place. I just see Naruto dying just like his father did, a hero

allendsup23

August 16, 2011, 03:40 AM

I too agree. Naruto will die in the end and Sasuke might become Hokage in the end. Sasuke will carry on the legacy of the Naruto in the ninja world.

Rosebunse

August 16, 2011, 09:58 AM

I just...no, I just find that hard to believe. Somehow, Kishi has to set everything up for the Uchiha to be redeemed, but I don't see how this is going to happen even if Naruto dies. People don't like Sasuke right now. And no matter how you put it, if Naruto would die, it would be Sasuke's fault. If Naruto were to ascend to some higher plain of existence, then sure, maybe, but dying? No, then people would rightly blame Sasuke, which wouldn't really help anything.

young simba

August 16, 2011, 11:25 AM

I personally don't want to see Naruto die but i have a feeling he will take the short end of the stick to help sasuke

Rosebunse

August 16, 2011, 11:39 AM

I personally don't want to see Naruto die but i have a feeling he will take the short end of the stick to help sasuke

But I don't see how that could really help Sasuke. The, people would be mad that Sasuke is alive but Nauto, someone many people loved, is dead. Not only that, but Kishi will have gotten rid of one of Sasuke's few pillars of support. Even Kakashi or Sakura would probably feel bitter towards him at that point.

young simba

August 18, 2011, 04:44 PM

But I don't see how that could really help Sasuke. The, people would be mad that Sasuke is alive but Nauto, someone many people loved, is dead. Not only that, but Kishi will have gotten rid of one of Sasuke's few pillars of support. Even Kakashi or Sakura would probably feel bitter towards him at that point.

You are right my friend, in a perfect world I would like Naruto to somehow gain the rinnegan through sasuke and naruto have children that would have the sharingan, making Naruto the new founder or crediting sasuke as the new founder of the uchiha clan

HANZO90

August 20, 2011, 10:08 AM

I think that Naruto would die in Sasuke hands and that his death and some other events will return Sasuke and in him will live on Naruto legacy or something it could be good if done right

Rosebunse

August 20, 2011, 11:14 AM

To be honest, if Naruto did die, I would cry.

jdw

August 20, 2011, 01:05 PM

I think that Naruto would die in Sasuke hands and that his death and some other events will return Sasuke and in him will live on Naruto legacy or something it could be good if done right

Can't see it. Sounds pretty shitty all around, even if Sasuke if reformed.

I think Sasuke should be reformed but die later (killed by someone wanting revenge, showing cycle of hate still survives) while Sakura is pregnant with his son, and Naruto, the hokage, will raise his own son (with Hinata) alongside Sasuke's son, and let him resurrect the Uchiha clan without the hatred of his clan's past.

Rikudou King

August 20, 2011, 01:43 PM

If Sasuke was killed cause of the cycle of hatred, then that means Naruto had failed and that would make all of his preaching and everyone putting faith in him meaningless. I really can't see that happening.

jdw

August 20, 2011, 01:49 PM

It would not necessarily mean Naruto failed, it could mean that he has not succeeded *yet.* There is a big difference. He could be making strides and the cycle of hate could still exists but could be diminishing. No one said the cycle of hate has an "off switch," as if Naruto does X, the cycle of hate is over for all people in all times. Continuous meaningful progress can count as not failing.

Rikudou King

August 20, 2011, 02:20 PM

young simba

August 20, 2011, 02:30 PM

I truly think that Naruto will become the next sage of six paths through sasuke. I think sasuke will die and give his eyes to naruto and then narutos child or children will end up having the sharingan. This would redeem the uchiha clan

jdw

August 20, 2011, 02:33 PM

It would pretty much imply Naruto has failed. Naruto's actions by the end of the war should completely eliminate the desire for revenge in those involved in the Fourth War. There should be no one around in this era desiring revenge, especially when we have been shown how potent "Naruto's" words were through Gaara. If a proxy like Gaara can bring everyone together through a few words, then Naruto should at least be able to do likewise and guarantee that there would be no one searching for revenge. Especially against Sasuke, considering the only possible people who would still want revenge so far are the samurai.

Not necessarily so. For Instance, if Sasuke kills someone right before the end of the war, the war ends, and that person's son finds out later once news travels, he might nurse a grudge. He can have the grudge for years while Naruto is making strides against the cycle of hate. Let's say the cycle of hate is at 100%, Naruto might have reduce it to 90%, but this child can grow older with the grudge and kill Sasuke. Naruto can still make more strides against the cycles, and it would be on the road to success, not the road to failure. I am not saying it will go this way, but any minor appearance of hate in the world is not a reason, imo, to say that Naruto would have failed.

I don't think the war will end and all traces of hate will be removed from the world with no hate ever to appear again.

Jammin

August 20, 2011, 02:36 PM

Naruto is determined to "bring an end to the cycle of hatred" and "save Sasuke". I have no doubt he will succeed at both but the way i see it neither of those things require Sasuke to be survive.

Saving Sasuke seems to be all about getting Sasuke to remember the person he used to be and help him to become that person again, even if only a little bit. If he does that Sasuke will be "saved". Even if Sasuke dies immediately after that, which seems incredibly likely, Naruto will have still succeeded in his task. Particularly, if meets that death in some heroic fashion.

The cycle of hatred is a different matter and, quite frankly, allowing Sasuke to walk free is more of a threat to that task than killing him would be. Because Sasuke has done quite a few things that deserve retribution. And Naruto cannot bestow forgiveness on behalf of those Sasuke has wronged. All Naruto can do is inspire Sasuke to earn that for himself, and i suspect when Naruto achieves that Sasuke will earn that forgiveness through personal sacrifice.

Rosebunse

August 20, 2011, 10:04 PM

Jammin

August 20, 2011, 11:13 PM

Something bad has to happen to him, that's for sure. If he were to be crippled, that might work. However, the main thing here is that the Uchiha clan must be revived. If it's not, then I feel like they will have been given the short end of the stick. The Uchiha's are dead and gone. Even if Sasuke found a wife and settled down to raise a batch of kids he couldn't change that; not that he has shown the slightest inclination to do that. All Sasuke wants is to redeem their memory in his own twisted mind.

What happened to Sasuke's clan was sad but it was in large part of their own making.:(

According to Tobi's story originally it was the Uchiha's ancestor's jealousy that started the ancient feud. It was Madara's jealousy over the title of hokage that further sowed the seeds of mistrust. In the end they were ultimately destroyed by two of their own, Tobi and Itachi, even if the Konoha condoned it; and the Uchiha clan really never gave Konoha much choice with the coup they were planning. Turn about is fair play after all.

I think, the Uchiha clan will never again be as it was and judging from their legacy that seems to be for the best.:oh

Rikudou King

August 21, 2011, 01:38 AM

Not necessarily so. For Instance, if Sasuke kills someone right before the end of the war, the war ends, and that person's son finds out later once news travels, he might nurse a grudge. He can have the grudge for years while Naruto is making strides against the cycle of hate. Let's say the cycle of hate is at 100%, Naruto might have reduce it to 90%, but this child can grow older with the grudge and kill Sasuke. Naruto can still make more strides against the cycles, and it would be on the road to success, not the road to failure. I am not saying it will go this way, but any minor appearance of hate in the world is not a reason, imo, to say that Naruto would have failed.

I don't think the war will end and all traces of hate will be removed from the world with no hate ever to appear again. But again, I point to the Gaara example. That's the situation that Gaara had to deal with, a son wanting revenge for a father's death. And with a single speech, he was able to change the guy's mind. Gaara was able to change the mind of probably the majority of ninjas in the Narutoverse with one speech and get them to unite as one. How would it not be a failure if Naruto wasn't able to do that? It isn't like this hypothetical person would be from some out of the way corner and unreachable for Naruto. Logically, anyone Sasuke kills in this war would be apart of one of the villages and thus easy assessable for Naruto to make speeches too, meaning that this person would have to eventually hear Naruto and have a change of heart. But of this person doesn't have a change of heart from one of Naruto's speeches, then Naruto has clearly failed.

Naruto is determined to "bring an end to the cycle of hatred" and "save Sasuke". I have no doubt he will succeed at both but the way i see it neither of those things require Sasuke to be survive.

Saving Sasuke seems to be all about getting Sasuke to remember the person he used to be and help him to become that person again, even if only a little bit. If he does that Sasuke will be "saved". Even if Sasuke dies immediately after that, which seems incredibly likely, Naruto will have still succeeded in his task. Particularly, if meets that death in some heroic fashion.

The cycle of hatred is a different matter and, quite frankly, allowing Sasuke to walk free is more of a threat to that task than killing him would be. Because Sasuke has done quite a few things that deserve retribution. And Naruto cannot bestow forgiveness on behalf of those Sasuke has wronged. All Naruto can do is inspire Sasuke to earn that for himself, and i suspect when Naruto achieves that Sasuke will earn that forgiveness through personal sacrifice. Considering what Naruto told Sasuke the last time they met and his whole deal with Itachi intrusting Sasuke to him, Naruto saving Sasuke doesn't merely mean reminding him of who he was but bring him back to Konoha.

As for the issue of forgiveness, Sasuke's actions have already been mostly swept under the rug. No one gave a damn about him leaving the village, The whole Kirabi issue was apparently resolved, no one in Kumo seems to care that he killed Jay judging from the fact that no one has made mention of him, and his actions at the summit were blamed on Madara's manipulations. The only unknown issue so far is the death of the samurai', but seeing as an attack on the Kages should have a greater impact, I don't see much coming from it.

jdw

August 21, 2011, 02:20 AM

So for you, if Naruto has convinced 500,000,000,000,000,000 people to give up on the cycle of hate in their lives, but 150 have not yet joined the other or are providing some resistance, Naruto has failed?

Rikudou King

August 21, 2011, 05:04 AM

Basically yeah, because those still continuing the cycle will eventually drag others into it, enlarging the influence and undermining everything. Especially if those people are strong enough to actually kill someone like Sasuke, as they would clearly pose a threat to the majority of ninjas including Naruto.

young simba

August 21, 2011, 09:27 AM

I think the way Naruto will stop the cycle of hatred is a process. Hate is a human emotion and you can not get rid of it, but thinking about ones actions and not acting blindly out of emotion is what naruto is going to help the world understand.

Jammin

August 21, 2011, 10:19 AM

Considering what Naruto told Sasuke the last time they met and his whole deal with Itachi intrusting Sasuke to him, Naruto saving Sasuke doesn't merely mean reminding him of who he was but bring him back to Konoha.

As for the issue of forgiveness, Sasuke's actions have already been mostly swept under the rug. No one gave a damn about him leaving the village, The whole Kirabi issue was apparently resolved, no one in Kumo seems to care that he killed Jay judging from the fact that no one has made mention of him, and his actions at the summit were blamed on Madara's manipulations. The only unknown issue so far is the death of the samurai', but seeing as an attack on the Kages should have a greater impact, I don't see much coming from it. Naruto saving Sauske never meant safeguarding him like some kind of babysitter. Naruto wants him to recapture some of who he was "Sasuke the Konoha Shinobi". Once he has regained that part of himself Sasuke's life is his own, if he sacrifices himself that's in no way a failure of Naruto's. It's proof that he succeeded.

And the reason nobody brings up Sasuke's crimes anymore isn't because they have been "swept under the rug" it's because his execution has already been ordered, it's not like they order him to die twice. Make no mistake that IS the standing order, and even the Naruto's peers in Konoha are agreed that it is entirely justified.

Rikudou King

August 21, 2011, 02:03 PM

Naruto saving Sauske never meant safeguarding him like some kind of babysitter. Naruto wants him to recapture some of who he was "Sasuke the Konoha Shinobi". Once he has regained that part of himself Sasuke's life is his own, if he sacrifices himself that's in no way a failure of Naruto's. It's proof that he succeeded. Not safeguard, but bring him back to Konoha. Itachi wasn't entrusting Naruto to just remind Sasuke of the past, he was entrusting Naruto to help Sasuke take over the duties to protect their village. Plus, the only viable situation for Sasuke to need to sacrifice himself is against Madara and that would bring about it's own issues depending on what happens and why.

And the reason nobody brings up Sasuke's crimes anymore isn't because they have been "swept under the rug" it's because his execution has already been ordered, it's not like they order him to die twice. Make no mistake that IS the standing order, and even the Naruto's peers in Konoha are agreed that it is entirely justified. Yet they're all leaving it in the hands of Naruto, who has shown he clearly has no intention of killing Sasuke. No independent squad of hunter-nin, no search party on the look out. Seems pretty questionable, especially when by all likelihood the fight won't be witness by anyone else.

Jammin

August 21, 2011, 02:23 PM

Yet they're all leaving it in the hands of Naruto, who has shown he clearly has no intention of killing Sasuke. No independent squad of hunter-nin, no search party on the look out. Seems pretty questionable, especially when by all likelihood the fight won't be witness by anyone else. The Shinobi alliance has most certainly NOT left Sasuke in Naruto's hands. They have allowed him to take to the battlefield very reluctantly only because they had no other choice.

Sasuke is a separate matter. Naruto has decided he's going to handle it; Sakura, Kakashi and Itachi have basically agreed, but as far as everybody else is concerned that is not his task. The only reason hunter nins aren't hunting Sasuke down like a rabid dog is that they are somewhat busy with waging a war. Naruto carries no special authority of any kind with regards to Sasuke. Last time he mentioned showing any kind of mercy toward Sasuke to the Raikage, the Raikage basically laughed in his face. I see nothing to indicate that has changed.

Just because Naruto decides it's his job to handle Sasuke doesn't make it so.:notrust

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Even if Naruto was Hokage, which he is not, he would still not have the right nor the authority to grant Sasuke amnesty on behalf of the shinobi alliance. The only one with that kind of power is the Raikage. So even if Naruto said "Sasuke, all is forgiven." The alliance still has every right to send him to the proverbial(or maybe literal) gallows, should he survive the coming battles.

EDIT: jdw was correct so I amended my list of people backing Naurto's decision to deal with Sasuke to include Kakashi.

jdw

August 21, 2011, 02:43 PM

Kakashi agreed as well (http://haven-reader.net/index.php?mode=view&series=Naruto&chapter=Chapter+487+-+The+Battle+Begins&page=4&next=true).

Rikudou King

August 21, 2011, 09:46 PM

The Shinobi alliance has most certainly NOT left Sasuke in Naruto's hands. They have allowed him to take to the battlefield very reluctantly only because they had no other choice.

Sasuke is a separate matter. Naruto has decided he's going to handle it; Sakura, Kakashi and Itachi have basically agreed, but as far as everybody else is concerned that is not his task. The only reason hunter nins aren't hunting Sasuke down like a rabid dog is that they are somewhat busy with waging a war. Naruto carries no special authority of any kind with regards to Sasuke. Last time he mentioned showing any kind of mercy toward Sasuke to the Raikage, the Raikage basically laughed in his face. I see nothing to indicate that has changed.

Just because Naruto decides it's his job to handle Sasuke doesn't make it so.:notrust

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Even if Naruto was Hokage, which he is not, he would still not have the right nor the authority to grant Sasuke amnesty on behalf of the shinobi alliance. The only one with that kind of power is the Raikage. So even if Naruto said "Sasuke, all is forgiven." The alliance still has every right to send him to the proverbial(or maybe literal) gallows, should he survive the coming battles.

EDIT: jdw was correct so I amended my list of people backing Naurto's decision to deal with Sasuke to include Kakashi. I was actually talking about his peers, the rest of the Konoha 11. You said that even they agree that Sasuke needs to die, yet they have allowed Naruto to handle Sasuke even though they likely know that he has no intent of actually killing Sasuke.

Anyway, I wasn't saying that Naruto had the power to absolved Sasuke or anything. My original point was that Naruto's goal concerning Sasuke wasn't just to make him have a change of heart, but to return back to Konoha. Itachi also intrusted Naruto with his goal of returning Sasuke to Konoha. So Sasuke dying before that was ever achieved would be a failure on Naruto's part. What happens afterwards is anyone's guess, and while I personally doubt Sasuke will die during the series, there's most definitely no way he could end up dead before returning to Konoha. I also have to say that being busy with the war can't possibly have been the reason. The war had just started the previous day and if Anko's squad had enough time to go around searching for Kabuto, I don't see why it would be a harder task for another squad to do in turn with Sasuke. Though seeing as Naruto is supposedly the destined savoir of the world, I serious doubt his words wouldn't carry as much wight if not more then Ee's, especially if he's the one to end the threat of Madara.

LoneWarrior

August 22, 2011, 05:47 AM

I believe that Kishi will introduce a secret character no one has spoken of who was a bitter rival to the Sago of the Six paths, this way Naruto can fulfill the whole SOSP look he has going on. Sasuke will hit a Madara phase where he's just as evil, then he will hit the final phase of true evil. Meh, merely one of my guesses, I think this because I feel as though it fits into the storyline more than anything else =]

Jammin

August 22, 2011, 10:25 AM

I was actually talking about his peers, the rest of the Konoha 11. You said that even they agree that Sasuke needs to die, yet they have allowed Naruto to handle Sasuke even though they likely know that he has no intent of actually killing Sasuke. The Konoha 11 were staunchly against him handling Sasuke. They laid that out in chapter 488(1 (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v52/c488/11.html),2 (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v52/c488/12.html),3 (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v52/c488/13.html)) He unilaterally declared that he would handle Sasuke and then left. Nobody agreed with him.

In that scene Naruto also claimed he had no plans to protect Sasuke and even then nobody wanted to trust him with dealing with Sasuke. Even Sakura looked a little wary.

BoobsMakeMeHappy

August 22, 2011, 10:33 AM

All i have to say if Saskue gets accepted back to village after wat hes done ' Naruto ' is officially shit but im hoping Kishi knows wat hes doing...............anything else will work rather him ending up dead or jus wandering around alive with no companions left to reflect on life but theres no way he wud b accepted bac { or the 4th great will begin ; ) }

Rikudou King

August 22, 2011, 02:21 PM

The Konoha 11 were staunchly against him handling Sasuke. They laid that out in chapter 488(1 (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v52/c488/11.html),2 (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v52/c488/12.html),3 (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v52/c488/13.html)) He unilaterally declared that he would handle Sasuke and then left. Nobody agreed with him.

In that scene Naruto also claimed he had no plans to protect Sasuke and even then nobody wanted to trust him with dealing with Sasuke. Even Sakura looked a little wary. Nobody disagreed with his either. They didn't tell him no or that they would be sticking with their own plan. They simply allowed him to leave under the belief that Naruto was getting his way.

Jammin

August 22, 2011, 03:13 PM

Nobody disagreed with his either. They didn't tell him no or that they would be sticking with their own plan. They simply allowed him to leave under the belief that Naruto was getting his way. But they did disagree with him.

Tenten said she wasn't going to go along with it. Shikamaru said the same. Kiba was downright angry at Naruto's lack of an explination. Shikamaru sought reassurance the he was not still thinking he could protect Sasuke and implied very strongly that would not be acceptable, and Naruto said him he would not try to do that. (by hisshouburiken's translation)

Shikamaru: "Naruto.... Your not trying to convince us to let you handle this so you can turn around protect Sasuke are you?"
Naruto: "No...Trust me, I won't defend him."Then Neji and Kiba even went so far as to accuse him of letting Sasuke go the last time they fought, again Naruto tried to assure them that it's not like that. And Naruto put the cap on the whole thing by basically saying "I'll explain later" and ended the conversation by walking away from it, which was rather rude on his part.

Sakura was the only one that spoke up in his favor, and when she did she was leaping more to Naruto's defense about Sasuke getting away than she was lobbying to let him handle things, everybody else showed as much rejection of his ideas for handling Sasuke as they could short of trying to beat him up over it.

Rikudou King

August 22, 2011, 05:50 PM

Jammin

August 22, 2011, 06:40 PM

They disagreed with him but they didn't make a move to stop or correct him. Even if they couldn't physically stop Naruto from doing what he wanted, that wouldn't have prevented them from sticking to their original plan of doing things themselves. They didn't need to just let Naruto walk away with that belief. What could they have done?

They had already tried reasoning with him. They can't force him to stop. They did as much as they could to express disapproval of his "this is between me and Sasuke" mentality, but at the end of the day Naruto is going to do what he wants even if none of them agree with it.

As for them pursuing Sasuke, their was simply no opportunity. The war was on. Everybody had to split up and take their assigned positions with the army. Not to mention Sasuke was heavily injured and taken away by Tobi himself. So it would be a safe bet there would be no opportunity to reach him anytime soon, unless they wanted to make a suicide run into the middle of Akatsuki HQ.

If any of them got the chance to snuff Sasuke i bet they'd take it, regardless of whether Naruto said he'd handle it or not, but they all have duty's to perform for time being. Plus, Naruto was to be sent off and put under heavy guard, they all probably thought he would be safely out of the picture for a while.

I think the only thing they could have done to stop him, more than what they did, is to duck tape him from head to toe and mail him to Saskatoon.:amuse

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Just to be clear i think Shikimaru was at least in part correct about Naruto planning to protect Sasuke. I think, Naruto's conversation with Itachi should indicate at least that much. Naruto really does want to defend Sasuke, no matter what he says.

I also believe that whether or not Naruto's comrades approve of his dealing with Sasuke "his way" and whether or not people would demand his execution if he returned are ultimately both moot points because Sasuke is going to die; most likely while protecting Naruto.

Which is why i think Kishi has let Sasuke burn his bridges so completely, because he doesn't need them anymore.

Rosebunse

August 22, 2011, 10:07 PM

Like Jammin said, it really doesn't matter what either Naruto or his friends want. Both groups are going to do what they are going to do. If one succeeded in their objective, I don't think the other would hold it against them. They're all just doing what they think is right. And I think there are two different ways you can defend someone. Naruto isn't going to stop someone from talking about Sasuke anymore, but I bet that he would probably hurt Sasuke in some very interesting ways to keep him from doing something stupid. As I've said before, sometimes, if you want to help someone, you can't think of them as a competent adult. Sasuke's in no condition to be making any type of decision.

Rikudou King

August 22, 2011, 11:51 PM

What could they have done?

They had already tried reasoning with him. They can't force him to stop. They did as much as they could to express disapproval of his "this is between me and Sasuke" mentality, but at the end of the day Naruto is going to do what he wants even if none of them agree with it.

As for them pursuing Sasuke, their was simply no opportunity. The war was on. Everybody had to split up and take their assigned positions with the army. Not to mention Sasuke was heavily injured and taken away by Tobi himself. So it would be a safe bet there would be no opportunity to reach him anytime soon, unless they wanted to make a suicide run into the middle of Akatsuki HQ.

If any of them got the chance to snuff Sasuke i bet they'd take it, regardless of whether Naruto said he'd handle it or not, but they all have duty's to perform for time being. Plus, Naruto was to be sent off and put under heavy guard, they all probably thought he would be safely out of the picture for a while.

I think the only thing they could have done to stop him, more than what they did, is to duck tape him from head to toe and mail him to Saskatoon.:amuse

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Just to be clear i think Shikimaru was at least in part correct about Naruto planning to protect Sasuke. I think, Naruto's conversation with Itachi should indicate at least that much. Naruto really does want to defend Sasuke, no matter what he says.

I also believe that whether or not Naruto's comrades approve of his dealing with Sasuke "his way" and whether or not people would demand his execution if he returned are ultimately both moot points because Sasuke is going to die; most likely while protecting Naruto.

Which is why i think Kishi has let Sasuke burn his bridges so completely, because he doesn't need them anymore. Done with Naruto? Nothing. I don't even understand why they would have had to involve him, especially since they knew full well his feeling. It's not as if Naruto was their leader or anything. They didn't need his permission and they honestly would have done better on their own. Heck, they did actually do better on their own. I mean it took them what, less then a day to pick up on Sasuke's trail. Sure it was partly luck that he was within the same country that they were able to find him and they probably wouldn't have been able to do better then Kakashi or Sakura had they actually manage to get to him. But still, the point is that they were able to do quite a bit on their own.

I disagree with the idea that they weren't able to do anything because of the war. There seem to have been quite a period of lull time between the summit and when the actual war began. Like I mentioned before, they were able to locate Sasuke within a couple hours just by being in the same country as him. So I honestly can't believe they couldn't pull something like that off again given more time, especially when ninjas are able to cross the countries so fast.

I honestly don't see Sasuke dying. Apart from Naruto's whole deal with Itachi, so far all of Sasuke's actions are seemly being blamed on Madara. The whole situation with the Uchihas, Madara's conversation with the Kages at the summit, Danzo being made into a villain right before their fight, Kakashi stating he was brainwashed by Madara. In addition, Kishi hasn't allow Sasuke to commit any irreversible actions. The closest he come to that was probably the killing of the samurai, which I honestly doubt will matter in the long run. Well there was J too, but we haven't heard a thing about that. Everyone else he has killed has been a villain or pretend villain. I would mention his attempted kills, but considering he tried to kill them multiple times and Naruto and Sakura are still gaga over him, that doesn't look like it'll change any time soon. So til Sasuke actually kills a named good character or something, Kishi appears to have given himself plenty of room to maneuver Sasuke's final fate.

Angol

August 30, 2011, 11:37 AM

Redemption, then death...the sage will defeat Tobi...sage = Naruto and Sasuke.

"The next time we fight, we will both die." . Not fight each other...just fight...Tobi, of course :)

sho87

October 02, 2011, 12:23 PM

At this point, Sasuke will be to powerful for anyone to banish or punish, Sasuke will help Naruto change the ninja world. I feel Sasuke will lead a new era along with Naruto, Sasuke will establish his own goverment and his own economy. Thus making him become a equal power to Kages epecially Naruto.

For Naruto I think he will tracend beyond Kage level and become the prominate alpha/omega shinobi.

Theres no way, Sasuke is going to sacrafice his life. Sakura thinks there will be a happy ending for him and Team 7. Theres no happiness in death. No matter what the cliche pertains. Death is ending it forever, not ending it in happiness.

nat

October 07, 2011, 09:51 AM

sho87

October 07, 2011, 02:41 PM

Jammin

October 07, 2011, 04:28 PM

Thats way to serious for a shonen. I don't agree. Despite the perception that Shounen is all butterflies and rainbows, injury and death does happen.

Claymore, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, and even Gintama have all shown that shounen can be dark. Remember how dark the the very first arc in Naruto was, with Haku getting killed? Just because Naruto is a shounen series doesn't mean sunshine, flowers, and possibly cake await Sasuke at the end of the line.

ninjabot

October 08, 2011, 05:20 PM

He meant the "cripple" part most likely. If Sasuke were to survive as a drooling vegetable or a paraplegic, it wouldn't work. But something as tiny as losing an eye, an arm, or going completely blind is different. Those are the kind of injuries ninja sustain in Naruto. Even Nagato could still walk, if only a little.

Anyway, what would really make me happy is if Sasuke survives the battle when they take out Madara but ninja still want him to die for his crimes despite helping save all their asses. Then he says aloud in his normal "I'm better than you" tone that he's paid his debt and won't try to harm anyone from Konoha... but won't hesitate to defend himself either. Then an angry samurai attempts to avenge his partner's death, only to have his hand slashed by his katana, making him drop his own sword. It happens in front of everyone there at the time. The Alliance ninja, Naruto, Kakashi, Sakura... maybe some of the rookies too. As everyone gets ready to pounce, Sasuke sheaths his bladed and closes his eyes. Then he just turns his back while calmly chiding as he walks away:

"I understand your need for vengeance, and I'm sorry for what I did. Following that path won't make the pain go away, this I know from experience. And for all the countless millions of lives I helped save today, I know it doesn't bring back those whom I've killed. Still, I can't die. Not right now. Your wound. That's just a taste of the amount of pain you'll put yourself and your friends through by following the path that I took. Nothing awaits you but suffering and loneliness if you spend the rest of yoru life trying to hunt me down... however short that might be. Use that life for something more than holding a grudge, or you'll just end up making victims of the people in your way, the same way I did to your comerades."

That way Sasuke isn't humbled at all, his hatred no longer has hold on him, and he shows that he's back to normal. Whatever happens after that, happens. He just better not come to his senses while on his deathbed. Even if he dies later, having him be the real Sasuke after he's dying already is a complete waste.

sho87

October 10, 2011, 01:24 AM

I don't agree. Despite the perception that Shounen is all butterflies and rainbows, injury and death does happen.

Claymore, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, and even Gintama have all shown that shounen can be dark. Remember how dark the the very first arc in Naruto was, with Haku getting killed? Just because Naruto is a shounen series doesn't mean sunshine, flowers, and possibly cake await Sasuke at the end of the line.Claymore is a senin. As for the rest, the main cast usually never gets effected by the harsh realistic consequences when they progress in the plot. Sasuke is a important character and still a known main cast member of Team 7, even if he's a criminal.

Jammin

October 10, 2011, 09:25 AM

Claymore is a senin. As for the rest, the main cast usually never gets effected by the harsh realistic consequences when they progress in the plot. Sasuke is a important character and still a known main cast member of Team 7, even if he's a criminal.Claymore IS a shounen manga(See for yourself if you don't believe me. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claymore_%28manga%29)) and it's been published 3 different magazines all of them shounen.

As for the rest, central characters get maimed or killed in every one of those titles.(with the exception of Gintama, in that case it's case it was more side characters).

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People often make the mistake of thinking Shounen is always about as gritty as Sesame Street, and my point is that is just not true. Naruto is significantly darker than something happy-go-lucky like One Piece and Claymore is waaaaaay darker than both. All those are shounen and all have different standards for that stuff. Each manga's creative team(mangakas and editors) makes those decisions, it's not as demographic-wide as people tend to think.

benelori

October 10, 2011, 02:54 PM

The demographics are not decided by the content of the manga...it's based on the magazine that is publishing it...if it's a shounen magazine, then even the bloodiest and most mature manga would still be shounen...

jdw

October 10, 2011, 04:56 PM

He will probably survive as a cripple....maybe lose his sharingan/memory/chakra...whatever, but he will still live IMO, simply because Naruto's whole quest was to save him and bring him over to the good side. If Sasuke dies, Naruto and his obsession would have been futile...A waste of time.

Plus never underestimate the power of Jesus Naruto.I am not sure that I agree. Sasuke can have the power to change, but that doesn't mean he must survive. If sasuke does not change, Naruto's effort may seem futile to some, but as long as the change occurs, Sasuke living or dying isn't as important, IMO. Naruto would have essentially saved his friend.

sho87

October 10, 2011, 06:06 PM

Claymore IS a shounen manga(See for yourself if you don't believe me. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claymore_%28manga%29)) and it's been published 3 different magazines all of them shounen.

As for the rest, central characters get maimed or killed in every one of those titles.(with the exception of Gintama, in that case it's case it was more side characters).

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People often make the mistake of thinking Shounen is always about as gritty as Sesame Street, and my point is that is just not true. Naruto is significantly darker than something happy-go-lucky like One Piece and Claymore is waaaaaay darker than both. All those are shounen and all have different standards for that stuff. Each manga's creative team(mangakas and editors) makes those decisions, it's not as demographic-wide as people tend to think.Too bad Naruto is on the same page as One Piece, DBZ and Bleach, as it's main character and ideals are happy go lucky and ideal. And last I checked, Claymore is a Senin, it has gore in it.

The main thing is Kishi's gritty dark themes are used to hype the greater more ideal message of bonds and friendship. And based on that, it's just as light hearted and campy as any other shonen.

Rikudou King

October 10, 2011, 06:44 PM

No, Claymore is considered a Shounen, you can even check here on MH to see so. And Both One Piece and Bleach have had plenty of gore. Heck, Part one of Naruto had quite a bit of gore too. So that really doesn't mean anything.

nat

October 10, 2011, 10:30 PM

I am not sure that I agree. Sasuke can have the power to change, but that doesn't mean he must survive. If sasuke does not change, Naruto's effort may seem futile to some, but as long as the change occurs, Sasuke living or dying isn't as important, IMO. Naruto would have essentially saved his friend.

I know what you mean. But I feel that Naruto's goals will not be truly accomplished if Sasuke dies like an evil asshole. What I mean is that he made a loooot of stupid mistakes (and continues to do so), so Sasuke seeing the light and dying very shortly after (like in a Hinata-save-type of thing) would not be very satisfactory. At least for Sasuke fans and general readers. I might be bringing up non story telling elements, but mind you, weekly chapters are all based on popularity and reader polls. And Kishi stopped writing his story purely for the storytelling part of it.

Also, Naruto's first goal is to be respected, right? ...He achieved that. He also wants to be Hokage...Imagine he became Hokage and then died like a week later. That would suck.
(for me it's the same concept, he saves Sasuke then Sasuke bites the dust....:()

oniichan powaa

November 01, 2011, 07:25 AM

At this moment Sasuke's development is too far off the path of being a leader, what more a Hokage. No, he's never a good team player. Just look at what he did to his team members and ex-team members. Right now he is more of an avenger, like Tobi claimed himself to be (though it's not true because he's not the real Madara).

Sasuke would have to die a heroic death if he wants to make amends to all the wrongdoing that he has done. That, or he should just keep on living his life trying to atone his sins (through his whole life). Like a sage...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Buddha himself was a prince (who might have killed people in war or killed his other siblings in a power struggle) before he realize his sins and the painful reality of life, and reached enlightenment before devoting his whole life to help others.

Yeah, that would be the most likely thing that Kishimoto wants Sasuke to be in the end.

DooMinator

November 02, 2011, 12:40 PM

Sasuke dying a heroic death could lead to let Naruto have his eyes. As an Uzumaki with a Sharingan, you should be able to create a Rinnegan. And having the Kjuubi inside would also eliminate the problem of not having enough chakra for eye techniques (what is f.e. Kakashi's problem - he is able to use them, but they drain his chakra way to much...)...

With this, Naruto might be able to defeat the ultimate enemy (whoever this might be in the end...) and also be a part of his friendship to Sasuke, as he would always be with him from that moment on - the same as Obito is always with Kakashi even though he's gone...

packages

November 03, 2011, 03:01 PM

I think during the deciding moment in Naruto and Sasuke's final battle, the two will be barreling towards eachother. The atmosphere will tremble with the pure weight of their chakra crashing, as a cold front moves over a warm front. Thunderous momentum builds. Seconds feel like hours, minutes feel like days. Their eyes are no longer reflective nor human in spirit. They have transcended the limitations of anything this world has known. As they propel themselves like torpedos hurling toward one another, only two simple words are spoken...

"TICKLE FIGHT!!!" They giggle and kiss. The end.

lawlett-kun

November 03, 2011, 05:12 PM

Kishi wants Sasuke and Nardo to fight together in the end versus Tobi or Kabutomaru

shafagh

November 04, 2011, 02:56 AM

In this war , kishi disclosure Uchiha's secret , and now all of world know this , that mean Uchiha has no future ...

I think Kishi will put an end to Uchiha and their strong eyes in this war , Uhiha's eyes are inhuman ....

Angol

November 04, 2011, 08:37 AM

Kishi wants Sasuke and Nardo to fight together in the end versus Tobi or Kabutomaru

Not Kabuto, please...let it be Tobi or the Rinne Tensei'd Madara :)

young simba

November 04, 2011, 11:38 PM

Seeing how the real madara has the rinnegan I have a feeling naruto will get sasuke's eyes and basically recreate everything. He will have a child with the sharingan and a child with the strong body. History tends to repeat itself znd sasuke's role is to die and give up his eyes

Senjugod

November 05, 2011, 06:54 AM

Sasuke is the main villain

oniichan powaa

November 05, 2011, 07:56 AM

Sasuke is the main villain

No... Kishimoto will not make his beloved *coughs* character turn evil for no reason. I bet that there must be a logical reason/truth behind his actions so far and Sasuke took the role of a bad guy only momentarily. He will turn good in the end.

He's not the main villain. 'WE' are. Everyone's evil thoughts gave birth to war, murder and spawned Kyuubi, remember? Maybe Kyuubi/ten tails is the main villain (it is currently in it's incomplete form).
Hah!

beasticon999

December 11, 2011, 02:45 AM

Sasuke role in the end is not to give up his eyes nor lose his life.Sasuke's actions in one way or another are justified,both the clan and the village were wrong.The Uchiha did not instigate the kyuubi attack so they did not deserve to be discriminated against and then finally slaughtered for fighting back.So no matter how you look at it Sasuke's motives to destroy the village is justified regardless of Itachi's sacrifices which I consider stupid.Think about it for a second,if Itachi informed the village of Tobi or Madara's existence he would have stopped the "coup" as both the clan and the village will know It was Madara who summoned the kyuubi.Itachi was selfish and totally unreasonable.When Naruto and Sasuke fight it will be a battle to end their rivalry and Naruto will be able to change Sasuke showing him the path to true power and happiness.Naruto will bring Sasuke home in one piece Ɣ☺ΰ can bet on that...Attack •̸Ϟﻉ all Ɣ☺ΰ want but if Ɣ☺ΰ put your hate aside and ask yourself..Why is Sasuke doing all this?

chilibun

December 11, 2011, 05:43 AM

Ugh... I hope Kishi doesn't go the "redemption" path so many people are predicting. Its so cliche and really just turns Sasuke into a big pansy. His determination was one of the few qualities you can actually respect. He chose his path so let him live with consequences. Sasuke has never sought acceptance or redemption anyways, so why would he want it now. Its so out of character. I'd hate for him to turn into just another wishy washy bitch like Nagato. He kills Jiraiya and is crazy enough to murder massive amounts of people but goes soft after Naruto spares him :confused. Even the so called embodiment of hatred, the Kyuubi, is a weak minded baby. All he ever needed was some hugs and cookies. Who knew?!

Prince Sasuke

December 12, 2011, 10:19 AM

Sasuke's motives are unknown, the last time he was in the Manga, he attacked Zestu just to see some of his new powers...
As of now, Sasuke has three options.
1. Join Madara(Tobi), Sasuke may receive help from Tobi from time to time, but he has made it clear that he is not Akauski, or is in a alliance with them.
2. Join Naruto. This is not uncertain like most think. All it takes is for the truth to come out, and he could very eel be fighting alongside Naruto instead of aginst him.
3. Reunite with Taka. This is what I see happening and wanting. He can lead his own path whatever that may be. In the end, I believe Sasuke and his team will end of fighting Kabuto and assisting in the defeat of Tobi.

Leading to a mutual understanding that the five great nations needed help from sasuke and will take off the bounty. If he survives,and I believe he will, he will remain Naruto's rival, but not friends. Sasuke will not be willing to except what konoha did to the Uchihas. That is what I think Kishi wants for Sasuke in the end.

chilibun

December 12, 2011, 01:15 PM

There is no way he can reunite with Taka unless they are a bunch of masochists. Sasuke left Suigetsu and Juugo for dead and almost killed Karin. At this point, I don't think he has any grand goals. He just wants to kill everybody that pisses him off which probably includes Naruto, Tobi, and Kabuto. I don't see him on anybody's side. For me, I'd like to see him backstab Tobi and just when the Alliance think they've won, Sasuke completes the Moon's Eye plan. Not so much for eternal peace, but because he wants everybody to perish in his genjustu nightmare. Yes, I'd like Sasuke to go off the deep end rather than be lovey dovey with Naruto.

Prince Sasuke

December 12, 2011, 01:38 PM

The last time juggo and Suigestu was shown, they mention finding Sasuke so they aren't that piss off at him for leaving them for dead. Karin might need a little convincing but definitely not impossible.

I want Sasuke to betray Tobi, killed Kabuto and fight Naruto.

Kabuto.... For basicly being a fake Orochimaru

Naruto.... Just to see who is the best.

Tobi.... For everything, and to prove that he was only using Tobi to accomplish his goals. In the end sasuke will need naruto and vice versa.

Sasuke going off the deep end to to extreme, especially for what cause him to get to that point.(itachi, Tobi)

Zachc2009

December 13, 2011, 05:17 PM

He will become the defining moment.. If the Ninja World as a whole can forgive him for his actions then they've proven that they as a society can overcome the 'Hatred' that has plagued each village.

chilibun

December 13, 2011, 07:52 PM

He will become the defining moment.. If the Ninja World as a whole can forgive him for his actions then they've proven that they as a society can overcome the 'Hatred' that has plagued each village.

If that's the case, I hope Sasuke go and kill each one of them for being so stupid. This is WAR, and mercy is for the weak.

Rosebunse

December 14, 2011, 08:26 PM

If that's the case, I hope Sasuke go and kill each one of them for being so stupid. This is WAR, and mercy is for the weak.

I think Kishi is trying to show that that view point isn't always the healthiest. Sasuke is insane at this point. He needs to be helped. The only problem is, how much of a danger is he to others?

I can see him trying to make zombies while at Orochimaru's base. I also see him more or less becoming a little like Sasori. He'll live in his own little fantasy world where his parents never died. He would be their favorite and would also use them to help him destroy the village.

UchihaHunter

December 15, 2011, 08:34 AM

Wait. I keep seeing people talk about Sasuke going to Orochimaru's base...was this stated last chapter and I just missed it? I thought Suigetsu and Juugo were the ones going to the base?

Rosebunse

December 15, 2011, 12:02 PM

Wait. I keep seeing people talk about Sasuke going to Orochimaru's base...was this stated last chapter and I just missed it? I thought Suigetsu and Juugo were the ones going to the base?

It's one of those "Well, a reuion to show how crazy Sasuke is" things that sorta makes sense. He knows where the bases are. It's not like he has anywhere else to go to even just just supplies.

UchihaHunter

December 15, 2011, 04:23 PM

I guess. I feel like it wouldn't be hard to find the battle, but maybe Tobi's place doesn't have supplies.

Rosebunse

December 15, 2011, 05:25 PM

I guess. I feel like it wouldn't be hard to find the battle, but maybe Tobi's place doesn't have supplies.

He blew it up, though he seemed to have some time to find his clothes and sword. But, maybe he wants more specific medical supplies. Or steroids.

UchihaHunter

December 15, 2011, 09:18 PM

I think it's clearly the steroids, hahahaha

Megapithicanthrope

December 23, 2011, 09:38 AM

Prince Sasuke

December 23, 2011, 03:59 PM

I think Sauke will become what the author has always written him to be which is the hero of the series. Sasuke is the only one capable of defeating Madara in my opinion. For all of Naruto's being the titular character he's never been protrayed as anything more than a sidekick. It's Sasuke's family, Sasuke's abilites, the heroine of the series is even Sasuke's girl (Sakura).

My guess is that Sakura will reach Sasuke and then Sasuke will redeem himself by defeating Madara. That's what I think Kishimoto is moving us towards.The current Madara has the power of RS (senju and Uchiha), no single shinobi can rival that power including Sasuke. If Sasuke manage to get rinnengan, he will still be at a disadvantge. It will take a combo of Naruto and sasuke .... or the five kages.

Megapithicanthrope

December 23, 2011, 07:59 PM

The current Madara has the power of RS (senju and Uchiha), no single shinobi can rival that power including Sasuke. If Sasuke manage to get rinnengan, he will still be at a disadvantge. It will take a combo of Naruto and sasuke .... or the five kages.

I still think Sasuke will manage to pull it off. It won't be an easy fight and Sasuke will definitely take some hits but I think he's good at using the tools he has and he'll exploit the weaknesses in Madara's abilities. I think Naruto would only get in the way.

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Actually the more I think about it the more I see your point. If anything it'll be Team 7 (i.e. Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke) together that'll take Madara down. That makes sense to me.

Prince Sasuke

December 23, 2011, 08:10 PM

Yea. Madara definitely has the power to give injuries, so a medic what be a good ideal. I don't see Sakura doing much else.

Megapithicanthrope

December 23, 2011, 08:18 PM

I do. I think she's a phenomenal fighter. She did great in her battle against Sasori despite her lack of experience. I just think she needs off the guilt trip Naruto and Sai have her under and she'll be fine. Plus, they'll need her expertise to help them understand Madara's Mokuton abilites.

Prince Sasuke

December 23, 2011, 08:27 PM

But she will be going aginst Madara Uchiha, the strongest shinobi shown thus far, the guy that is taking on all five Kages at one. She is literally a much weaker version of tsunade, who doesn't stand a chance aginst Madara. Her expertise is not needed when she's fighting with a genius Uchiha who good at thinking on his feet and a Shinobi that has enough chakra to try everything until somthing works. Besides, Sasuke's ration can cancel out the mokuton. I just can't give her credit until she proves herself.

Megapithicanthrope

December 23, 2011, 09:13 PM

I have faith in her. Remember that Kakashi and Chiyo both complimented her on having more potential than Tsunade did? I don't think Sakura is that much weaker than Tsunade either. Chiyo observed that their strengths were comparable. Sakura will prove herself. Anyways, we're probably getting off topic.

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I still can't help feeling (even after having said all of this) that there is some need on Sasuke's part to defeat Madara by himself. I'm not sure he'll feel he's properly atoned otherwise.

Prince Sasuke

December 23, 2011, 09:20 PM

I personally don't think Sasuke will ever meet Madara. Tobi on the other hand, Well I think naruto owes Tobi just as much as Sasuke do. Tobi cause all the damage, not Madara.

Megapithicanthrope

December 23, 2011, 09:25 PM

Prince Sasuke

December 23, 2011, 09:51 PM

Tobi was the Madara I was referring to. I still think it's Madara under the mask even if we don't yet know exactly what he's done to himself. And I think a lot of people owe Madara so that's no way to determine who'll be the one to fight him.

Yea I agree. After the second Tuschikage was shown to split himself into two halves, that made me believe he was Madara to. With Tobi claiming to be a shell of his former self, it all makes since.

Megapithicanthrope

December 23, 2011, 09:59 PM

Yea I agree. After the second Tuschikage was shown to split himself into two halves, that made me believe he was Madara to. With Tobi claiming to be a shell of his former self, it all makes since.

I hadn't considered that before. I was thinking it may have something to do with Hashirama's cells. Did you notice he seems to have Kushina's ability as well?

Prince Sasuke

December 23, 2011, 10:04 PM

I hadn't considered that before. I was thinking it may have something to do with Hashirama's cells. Did you notice he seems to have Kushina's ability as well?

Yes i notice he use the same jutsu that Kushina used, but i don't remember the manga stating anything about the chain jutsu was special to her. I believe it is juts a chakra surpessing jutsu known for trying to control tailed beast.

I don't see tobi being as strong as the oroginal Madara, but he is still to much for Sasuke and Naruto to handle in there current state.

Megapithicanthrope

December 23, 2011, 10:07 PM

Yes i notice he use the same jutsu that Kushina used, but i don't remember the manga stating anything about the chain jutsu was special to her. I believe it is juts a chakra surpessing jutsu known for trying to control tailed beast.

I don't see tobi being as strong as the oroginal Madara, but he is still to much for Sasuke and Naruto to handle in there current state.

I believe Kushina said it had something to do with her "special chakra". I'm hoping we'll get to learn more about that. Perhaps it will turn out that the charkra chains are the Uzumaki clan Kekkei Genkai?

Prince Sasuke

December 23, 2011, 10:31 PM

I went back and look, the only thing that was said is that the Kyuubi recongize Kushina's chakra... nothing more. It would be cool if the uzumaki had some seceret techs.

Angol

December 24, 2011, 06:16 AM

shafagh

December 24, 2011, 12:42 PM

Megapithicanthrope

December 24, 2011, 02:31 PM

Teamwork will be the key to defeating Tobi, but I think Sasuke will die. There's no way back for him after trying to kill Naruto and Sakura, and Kakashi...he will be part of Team 7 again, only to defeat the man behind the mask! Now that you talk about it, the chains might just be a Kekkei Genkai that the Uzumaki can awake. But I think Tobi is not Uzumaki, he is just a lab mice, an experiment of Madara, who mixed up every gene he found along the way!

I disagree. Naruto has already forgiven Sasuke. Kakashi is just being cautious until he can confirm whether the story about Itachi is true. Sakura will forgive Sasuke the moment she actually finds out the truth (the idiots should never have hid it from her) and I think Sasuke will be able to forgive her for trying to kill him once he knows what Tweedle Dee (Naruto) and Tweedle Dum (Sai) have put her through.

I don't think Sasuke will die and I do think he will defeat Madara on his own. That's how he'll feel he's redeemed himself. There's just no one else alive right now who's up to Madara's level and despite Madara's gloming onto every technique he can find there are still weaknesses in his abilities. I agree that he's not an Uzumaki. My guess is he stole the ability from Kushina or possibly Mito. I doubt that Naruto will manifest the technique at this late stage of the game but you never know.

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IMO Madara talked about actual person not a part of himself nor a laboratory creature ... So I think Tobi is another person ... but some strong guy like Danzo who hide himself in shadow in all of time ...

IMO Madara know him in past and even when Madara was alive , Tobi hide himself behind his name , like what he did when Nagato was alive ...

Maybe but the bits of Tobi's face that I've seen look like Madara's face. Plus, after Nagato revived everyone in Konoha, Tobi reflects that Nagato was supposed to use that technique on himself. Later when Kabuto revives Madara, he initially believes it is Nagato that has revived him. I think Tobi is Madara but we just haven't learned exactly what he's done to himself yet.

ninjabot

December 24, 2011, 06:22 PM

I'm not trying to steal any of Naruto's thunder, but to be honest, I would've loooved if the Uchiha story was kept between the Uchiha. I mean, that's how Itachi wanted it. It should be an Uchiha that stops the curse of hatred that burdens the Uchiha, or else it promotes the idea that all Uchiha are born evil. That ain't right.

Megapithicanthrope

December 29, 2011, 01:08 PM

I agree with you one hundred percent! It's Sasuke's family and Sasuke's legacy. Sasuke has wanted to redeem his clan since the beginning of the series and I can't think of a better way for him to do it.

Prince Sasuke

December 29, 2011, 07:21 PM

As of right now, Sasuke don't have the power to defeat Madara or Tobi, and if Kabuto summon his Edo to fight for him, Sasuke cant defeat him either. This is just going to be another repeat of DBZ. Vegeta wanted to defeat freiza for a very similar to why Sasuke want, or will want to defeat Tobi/Madara. The results will be similar as well. Sasuke won't be humiliated like vegeta, but he will be overwhelm and need help to prevent his death.
Unless he has rinnengan or some power that has yet to be foreshadow, he can't win by himself. Sasuke is my favorite character but he will be no more then support like vegeta was to goku aginst buu and omega shenron.

ninjabot

December 29, 2011, 08:11 PM

That's the thing though: I don't like the Rinnegan, but I accept that it's the pinnacle of Uchiha strength. The culmination of all their prices paid to reach the final, strongest doujutsu... with a little help from Senju DNA. The very thing that keeps Madara above Sasuke right now is these two things: strengthened chakra thanks to Hashirama's DNA, and the Rinnegan. All it'd take is a Rinnegan for Sasuke to bridge that gap right quick.

Still, Sasuke was only meant to break the cycle of hatred in his clan, not in the world. Meaning Naruto's gotta defeat him unfortunately. Unless they split things up between Naruto vs. Tobi, and Sasuke vs. Madara. I'd even accept THAT. But we won't get that unfortunately. Most I could expect is Sasuke showing up for a last ditch doubleteam with Naruto before he dies.

xXan

December 30, 2011, 12:41 AM

@ninjabot

As of now? Tobi also has the GM statue, Jin EDO's Pein and warping. He would defenetly be above Sasuke even if he had the rinnegan. Not only that but Tobi has way more knowledge and from my part better tactics. Not only that but Sasuke would also need to learn how to use the rinnegan. Hell i don't even know if Madara or Tobi know how to do(or can) the stuff Nagato showed.

Ps. I know Tobi does not have MS techs but he has perfect counters to them.

EMS

December 30, 2011, 09:17 AM

Everything is leading to naruto and sasuke final fight and this time naruto will reach sasuke while all sasuke hatred will go to tobi/madara and i can see sasuke dying protecting naruto while defeating madara. sasuke will take the path at the end that itachi wanted..sasuke+naruto teaming up at the end is possible.

ninjabot

December 30, 2011, 10:06 AM

As of now? Tobi also has the GM statue, Jin EDO's Pein and warping. He would defenetly be above Sasuke even if he had the rinnegan. Not only that but Tobi has way more knowledge and from my part better tactics. Not only that but Sasuke would also need to learn how to use the rinnegan. Hell i don't even know if Madara or Tobi know how to do(or can) the stuff Nagato showed.

Gedo Mazo is usable thanks to the Rinnegan, which Sasuke would be able to use aswell if he did gain the Rinnegan. Secondly, I wasn't including the Edorikki into the equation... though, if you wanna get technical, Sasuke could very well have the tools to make his own Pein army if he gained a Rinnegan (whether Nagato invented the robot corpse strategy or it's implanted in his mind the instant he awakens the Rinnegan is unknown). Thirdly, the warping and intangibility both have weaknesses that can be exploited if he used his natural genius to test the limits of the jutsu. It'd be as simple as waiting for him to try to absorb him before striking on his own, forcing him to turn intangible. That one bluff would reveal two of his weaknesses at once (that he needs to touch you to absorb you, and that he can't absorb you while intangible).

He can't beat him in a direct conflict if they both had the Rinnegan, but if he had the Edorikki then he could. Or rather it'd be more accurate to say it could go either way. I'd still give the win to Sasuke though based on pure stopping power that Tobi lacks outside of summoning Gedo Mazo.

Ps. I know Tobi does not have MS techs but he has perfect counters to them.

Actually, no you don't. To both situations. Tell me: why would Tobi design a plan that revolves around Tsukiyomi if he couldn't use Tsukiyomi? Sasuke was never a part of his plan until far later, and Itachi was a traitor, so he knew HE wouldn't cast Tsukiyomi for him. That meant he has to be able to use at the very least Tsukiyomi. Also, he only has one answer to the MS techniques: intangibility. And intangibility can be exploited with Sasuke's own Tsukiyomi, weak or not. He makes him think that he's trying to stab him, so he goes intangible so that the sword doesn't hit him. Then he grabs hold of what he THINKS is Sasuke so he can absorb him. Once he touches him he gets squashed by Susanoo, decapitated, or stabbed from behind.

Hax as the jutsu is, we've already seen thanks to Konan and Fuu and Torune that all it takes is good timing and planning to make his intangibility a non issue. And Sasuke's seen the jutsu in action twice already. I don't think it'd take him as long as it took to figure out Danzou's secret.