The Supernovas vs. The Impel Down Staff

[RezzieThaRapper]

Luffy, Zoro, Kidd, Killer, Bonnie, Capone, Apoo, Drake, Uroge, Law, Hawkins
(And Notable Crew Members Seen In Action (All Strawhats, Bepo, The Flamethrower Guy from Kidd's Crew, ect.))
vs.

The 4 Demon Gaurds, Sadi-Chan, Saldeath, The Bulgori, The Fodder Gaurds, Hannyable, Shiryuu, Magallen, All Lv. 2 Beast, and The Ice Wolves...


NOTES:
(All Parties Are pre-time skip)

(Luffy can do big burst of Haki like during the War)

(Assume that all of the fodder gaurds weapons have Magnetic Properties)

(Assume Jewelry Bonney Needs to touch her Opponent for 5 seconds for her ability to take effect)

(Assume The battle takes place in Impel Down Lv. 4)

(Assume Kidd can manipulate Impel Down's inner IRON WALLS)

(Assume No Other Prisoners Are There)

(Assume everyone is at 100%)

(Assume EVERYONE is concerned for their Teammates, (except fodder))

(Assume Law has enough skill as a Doctor to help with lesser poison Injuries)

[bittman]

That's a lot of assumptions there.

I'm going to have to ignore your assumption of no one hit kills, because that also applies to fodder on both sides. Are you saying Luffy can't one hit kill Joe Marine?

So when I ignore this assumption, Magellan is as powerful as he should be. Magellan has two fight lengths which work to his favour: insta-kill and drawn out. Against a large number of combatants insta-kill is the only way Impel Down could survive this. And even then, can Magellan insta-kill all Supernova's + crews before getting focused down?

Anyway, supernovas are my vote regardless of Magellans broken-ness and there's already too much going on in the battle without suddenly just changing how everything works through assumptions. Either way, some Supernovas are potentially broken also (hello Hawkins and Law). All Supernovas should be stronger than the Demon Guards, Sadi and Hannybel probably also. The crews of most Supernovas should be able to hold them off / combat them.

So really, I see it like this: Magellan + Shiryuu vs 11 level 5 or 6 pirates. Magellan may be broken, and Shiryuu is probably insanely powerful, but they're no logia admirals.

[RezzieThaRapper]

Okay... I meant no One Hit K.O.s on Named characters... but since you caught that mistake before me... I'll go ahead and remove that entire rule...

And I know there is a lot of assumptions, but they really don't change anything.. I just find that people get more time to think as they read through useless alterations...

The only person I really altered was Bonnie... she was broken in a different way...

I appreciate the input nonetheless Bittman...

[Smit]

Ok let me take a shot at it. I think the Supernova's could win this:

Luffy,Sanji,Kidd and Drake vs the 4 demon guards:
Each of the 4 I mentioned can take on a demon guard and win. They have shown us their destructive powers and i think its enough to take out a demon guard. When they are done with the demon guards they go on to fight Magellan.

Capone (maybe luffy) vs Saldeath, Blugori and the fodder guards:
Capone's military strength exceeds theirs. It might take him awhile but he can take them out. (and if that isn't enough Luffy can take them all out with a burst of haki)

Bonnie and Robin vs Sadi-chan:
This tag team is perfect for taking on Sadi. Sadi has great evasive moves. Robin seals that clutching her arms and legs together. When Robin does that bonnie touches her for 5 sec and turns sadi in a old lady. taking away her speed and strenght forever.

Urouge vs Hannyable:
Urouge seems to me to be the physically stronger of the 2. Both of them haven't shown us great speed. So no matter what Hannyable does (like the cool fire dance) Urouge can swat him away with his huge pillar. So i think urouge will win this fight.

Zoro and Killer vs Shiryuu:
This will be the coolest fight ever. Eventhough we dont have any clue about Shiryuu strenght. It has been said that he and Magellan are equall in strenght. Zoro and Killer will have a hard time beating him. I think they could hold him off untill reinforcements arive.

Law, Hawkings and Apoo vs Magellan:
This is the trickiest fight. I say that because I have no clue what the limits are of Law's DF (not that i know the limits or the other 2 but law is the key here). If Law gets in close and put up room. Then Shambles the living hell out of Magellan and tosses the pieces into the boiling blood. If that's possible then what can Magellan do? If he cant then Law would have to use Room to redirect attacks made on Apoo and Hawkins while they barrage and fend of Magellan with attacks. Waiting for more people to join the fight. If option 1 doesn't work and Magellan decides to use Venom Demon then they are all screwed.

The rest vs the beasts:
Do I need to explain this? Franky,Ussopp,Brooke,Nami,Bepo and the rest. Can surely take on some mindless beasts.

Special task Chopper: Healing the wounded.

[zelllogan]

Magellan alone is almost enough to beat them all. The guy is an unstoppable beast.
Magellan is not far from amiral's level. Being tangible is his only flaw (... but if you touch him once, you die).

Someone like Ivankov was able to won merely a few minutes against him. And pre-timeskip, Ivankov is way above any supernova.

Plus, there will be no Mr 3 to help with wax ... I don't see any of the supernova (+ crew) able to last more than one or two minutes against Magellan.

And you add Shiryuu to this fight ??? It's a carnage. Supernovas don't stand a chance in hell.

[RezzieThaRapper]

There is all types of metal in Impel Down.. Kidd can use that to at least deter the poison...

In fact isn't the lake of boiling blood in an Iron Pot... Just saying...

I also voted for Impel Down to win... but I don't think it will be as easy as you make it out to be...

Nami's Lightning, Franky's Nails/Coup De Vent/Flamethrowers/Cannons, The Flamebreather from Kidd's Crew, SogeKing, ect...

Plenty of Long Range fighters to balance out Magallen and Kidd should be at the very least, able to deter the Poison Demon for at least a few seconds... maybe even impale him from a distance...

It will not be a walk in the park for either team...

[kkck]

Magellan already had 200 prisoners (some of them level 5 and 4), 2 shichibukai and luffy on the run and where it not for shiryu he would have taken out the BB pirates. I think it is pretty obvious magellan would do this alone. One poison shower is enough to one shot anyone there. Even if they do manage to do some damage their chances of living long after the fight are almost null. The best the rookies can aspire to is a double suicide.

[RezzieThaRapper]

Magallan can be cut down by Kidd repeatedly from a distance...

Capone can do some major damage to Magallen if he can avoid the mass of toxic sludge long enough...

I don't think the pirates would win... but I don't think it will be as easy as your making it sound... ya know...

All these people have varying abilities, and are at 100%... Unlike the prisoners he reigns over, who are seastoned, tortured, starved and tired, and hopeless...
[hr]
And this isn't a power... but Luffy has the ability to inspire people to continue fighting despite injury... if that's worth anything...

[kkck]

IMO if the rookies had a chance in hell (even the slightest one) then I don't see how or why magellan had hundreds of prisoners, jinbe, crocodile, luffy, ivankov and inazuma on the run. Heck, with what we have seen of capone he is probably one of the least capable of dealing actual damage. We already saw something similar to a fortress being done with the wax, being smaller won't help. Anyways, if hundreds of armed prisoners of ID could not do significant damage with weapons then capone is screwed.

Luffy, Zoro, Killer, Bonnie, Capone, Drake, Uroge, Law, Hawkins
These guys are largely screwed by default. They are melee fighters and every time they go in for an attack they will get poisoned. I guess bonie's ability could be useful but it would not stop magellan from being poison overall. Capone does not work for the reasons I already explained. Kid has an interesting ability but we already saw weaponry and whatever else the prisoners could fit into the cannons and that did not work either. Kid has the bigger meaner version of that but I doubt it would make much of a difference.

Apoo could actually deal damage though. Too bad we do not know the limitations of his ability though. Would magellan give him a chance to use it though? Magellan is too hax and the ROOKIES are too weak.

[damane08]

IMO if the rookies had a chance in hell (even the slightest one) then I don't see how or why magellan had hundreds of prisoners, jinbe, crocodile, luffy, ivankov and inazuma on the run. Heck, with what we have seen of capone he is probably one of the least capable of dealing actual damage. We already saw something similar to a fortress being done with the wax, being smaller won't help. Anyways, if hundreds of armed prisoners of ID could not do significant damage with weapons then capone is screwed.

Luffy, Zoro, Killer, Bonnie, Capone, Drake, Uroge, Law, Hawkins
These guys are largely screwed by default. They are melee fighters and every time they go in for an attack they will get poisoned. I guess bonie's ability could be useful but it would not stop magellan from being poison overall. Capone does not work for the reasons I already explained. Kid has an interesting ability but we already saw weaponry and whatever else the prisoners could fit into the cannons and that did not work either. Kid has the bigger meaner version of that but I doubt it would make much of a difference.

Apoo could actually deal damage though. Too bad we do not know the limitations of his ability though. Would magellan give him a chance to use it though? Magellan is too hax and the ROOKIES are too weak.

Couldn't have said it better myself! All of that and Shiryu hasn't even been factored in yet, it would be a complete rape.

[kkck]

I actually did not even consider some of the guards. The 4 demon guards were extremely powerful, even luffy could not outright defeat them. I think a few supernovas could actually be weaker than then (capone would get clobbered if even a buggy ball could not do much damage). If shiryu is nearly as strong as he has been implied to be then he alone could take a supernova crew by himself easily. What can a bunch of worthless rookies do against the former warden who kept level 5 and 6 prisoners in check and was regarded in a similar manner to magellan? The chances the rookies have are really somewhere between 0 and not a sliver of one in hell.

[RezzieThaRapper]

Like I said... I voted impel down...

But you are underestimating the capabilities or the rookies...

Working together to win, instead of escaping...

Magallen would not win if all prisoners from level 4 and 5 attacked him at max power...

These are the people who are carving the way for the new age... I'll be darned if they didn't have a decent chance at winning...

Your just being single minded...

[zelllogan]

Like I said... I voted impel down...

But you are underestimating the capabilities or the rookies...

Working together to win, instead of escaping...

Magallen would not win if all prisoners from level 4 and 5 attacked him at max power...

These are the people who are carving the way for the new age... I'll be darned if they didn't have a decent chance at winning...

Your just being single minded...

Why do you create a poll if you criticize the result ?

[RezzieThaRapper]

For the sake of discussion...

Just like nearly every other fighting thread on MangaHelpers...

Instead of criticizing me for having an open mind, add to the discussion...

[frontaLobotomy]

Magellan on his own would probably defeat all of the Supernovas inside Impel Down, his ability is hax in enclosed spaces like that, and none of the supernovas are Logias. Even though the likes of Law and Bonney have intriguing powers, it's hard to look past Magellan, considering even the likes of Crocodile and Jinbe didn't want to fight him, and Ivankov didn't fare too well during his own encounter with the guy.

[kkck]

Like I said... I voted impel down...

But you are underestimating the capabilities or the rookies...

Working together to win, instead of escaping...

Magallen would not win if all prisoners from level 4 and 5 attacked him at max power...

These are the people who are carving the way for the new age... I'll be darned if they didn't have a decent chance at winning...

Your just being single minded...
The best case scenario for the prisoners in that scenario is to take magellan with them but they will inevitably get butchered. Have you forgotten kinjite? There is a chance magellan might get killed but even in that scenario the chances of any of the rookies surviving are null.

[firework]

I think you put way too many people on the Impel Down side and that they'll win through numbers. 20+ Blugori, 100+ guards, and 100+ beasts, etc are enough to keep enough of the supernova team busy that Magellan and Shiryuu will be able to kill enough strong opponents to be able to fight the rest.

Also, Luffy without gears was losing to the Minotaur which means that all 4 super beasts together would be pretty deadly.

[kkck]

I don't really think much of the impel down guards.... If magellan and shlliu were not there I really don't see a good reason for the rookies to not be able to scape mostly unscathed. The 4 demon beasts are without a doubt insanely strong and they would be trouble but they are not so strong that they would be able to take the supernova IMO. Weapons overall would not be useful against the supernova. Kid can repel them easily and they just bounce of luffy. The rest of them should be mostly able to evade them. The ID forces are not important here, the sole reason the rookies are all going to die in this scenario is magellan (not that they would win against shilliu but at least against him they have a chance in hell of surviving).

[Franckie]

Shiryuu/Magallen solos.