Shino vs Anko

[vintagemistakes]

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A very talented member of his clan, the Aburame, Shino is a silent shinobi, who values actions instead of talking. And his actions definitely speak louder than words, because amongst Konoha 11, his battle planning ability is probably only second to Shikamaru.

His ninjutsu is specialized on controlling chakra syphoning bugs on big scale, and he is an expert of territorial and tactical fighting.

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Captain of the Infiltration and Reconnaissance Party, Anko is the former student of the legendary sannin Orochimaru and the first to receive the Cursed Seal. Abandoned for lacking real desire for power, Anko none the less a talented special jounin with an easygoing and playful personality. As a former student of Orochimaru, Anko was taught various snake ninjutsus and given the ability to summon them. She has shown to be a skilled tracker and possessing quick enough reflexes to counter being ambushed.

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Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!

[Lelo]

lol, I can imagine Shino sulking cause he got put in the lower tier agaisnt Anko. Shinos bugs ability to suck chakra would be his advantage. He'll place bugs on her without her even knowing. And I dont think Anko has a large amount of chakra. This would be a quick fight

Shino wins this

What he said.

[jorped]

Anko was always nothing more than a disappointment ! When she was a kid she stayed a lot of time with Orochimaro and she never managed to fulfil and show the "trust" and "confidence" that all of us had in her.
In the end she is nothing more than folder.

She is strong but i don't expect to see her beating Shino who is just very smart and his jutsus are just way to mysterious and sneaky so we never know what to expect.
And that is even worse in this case cuz neither of them knows what the other is capable of.
All the rookies are plenty strong but Shino , despite not being a genius is clearly one of the worst rookies that almost every one can fight against . He is someone that never underestimate his opponents and his ninjutsu is just way to dangerous.
Shino wins on my opinion

[White Silver King]

My fanboism, her superior rank, being Captain of the Infiltration and Reconnaissance team, and her tutelage under Oro makes me want to give it to Anko. People underestimate her because she lost to Orochimaru (her master and Sannin) and Kabuto (while he had Orochimaru all up in his business giving him mega-power ups), they put her out of the count for two losses (which are technically against the same person). But if we look at the facts objectively she is the Captain of a team which goes into enemy territory and extracts info, enemies and captured allies; a student of a Sannin (and who are the others like her? Nagato, Konan, Yahiko, Minato, Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura - some of the most powerful people in the series), and Konoha made her, not Yamato or anyone else, the leader of the team meant to find and possibly take down Kabuto. I'd put her above pre-time skip Kabuto (not by an amazing amount, but still) and I think that's enough for her to take down Shino. Though, if we're thinking about future fights, I doubt either Shino or Anko will take Neji so...

[jorped]

But in the end she just utterly failed !
I am not saying that if it was Shino he might have done better , but what i am trying to say is that i can't really remember any situation that Anko really proved to us that she is indeed as strong as we all expected her to be.
Although i can see her beating Shino, i don't think that it is the most probable outcome! Shino jutsus is just way to "sneaky" .
The Aburame Clan is probably one of the worst match when we don't know anything about our opponent cuz they are just to way mysterious and in order to we not get caught in there jutsus there is needed to be completely concentrated on the battle.
And Shino truly has some very strong jutsus so i don't espect to see Anko avoiding all this

[White Silver King]

But in the end she just utterly failed !

When you put someone against their master, who is renowned as one of the most powerful shinobi in the world, happens to know everything about them including the techniques that they taught them, and if they aren't Naruto or an Uchiha - then, yes, they will lose. And if you put all of that master's power and knowledge into an already powerful ninja, then yes she will lose too.

If Naruto (or any other ninja for that matter) absorbed all of Jiraiya's power and knowledge, would you call Minato weak for losing to him? No.

[bhasty]

Anko knows the aburame clan bug technique... She was a jonin and orochimaro's students.. Anko can stomp shino.. Her snakes ninjutsu is far more powerful than shino's bug.. And i think anko/oro's snakes is poisonous.. SHe knows a forbiden jutsu and she has also a curse seal..

No doubt.. anko wins.....

[DEATHBOTT]

im giveing this to anko as a student of oro and a top jounin of konoha.

[leo81202]

I think im going to give the benefit of the doubt to anko...she is a jonin and captain of a squad.

Also...she no longer has the curse seal...it should have went away with Oro's death.

[CBlitz]

We've barely seen what Anko can do, and Shino has shown a lot of versatility with his bug jutsus. So he's winner by default. Most of these matches will have a default winner because we don't have enough information in general

[Rikudou King]

Two of my favorite characters squaring off. Unfortunately, I'm gonna go with Shino. Anko's strong and with the Cursed seal, she'll be able to last for quite a while, but Shino and his insects have intelligences and versatility on their side. With his ability to make clones and completely surround Anko with his insects to absorb a mass of chakra at once, he can keep his distance while keeping the pressure on her. He has all the means to outlast her chakrawise.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I actually can't see how Anko will counter Shino's jutsus. She practically showed nothing to consider her that strong to beat him. And his jutsus are pretty dangerous for majority of shinobi, even though I don't like him that much, I should say that he is strong enough to beat Anko.

[ninjabot]

Giving it to Anko based on her access to the Curse Seal and snake pact. Although we've only seen her use Senei Jashu, narutopedia (which uses the databooks as a source) states she has the snake pact. That means she's got access to giant snakes. And I don't think Shino has enough bugs to eat Manda's chakra, lol.

So yeah. Anko. Even if she gets chewed up by bugs, her curse seal will pull out enough chakra to boost her enough that she can outrun them and put the finishing blow on Shino.

[xXan]

Giving it to Anko based on her access to the Curse Seal and snake pact. Although we've only seen her use Senei Jashu, narutopedia (which uses the databooks as a source) states she has the snake pact. That means she's got access to giant snakes. And I don't think Shino has enough bugs to eat Manda's chakra, lol.

So yeah. Anko. Even if she gets chewed up by bugs, her curse seal will pull out enough chakra to boost her enough that she can outrun them and put the finishing blow on Shino.

If she is even able to summon Manda the damn thing would first eat her up and defenetly not help her in anyway. Orochimaru was the only one who could use it (aside from Sasuke and his genjutsu).

[ninjabot]

And he was able to use him only thanks to feeding him a hundred humans to keep him happy. Since no prep time is allowed in this fight we either gotta accept that anyone with access to him can use him, or accept that he's not allowed thanks to no one being able to prepare to keep him loyal.

Except that Oro did it that one time and got threatened for it. We could say the same happens for Anko. Or simply take the easy route and replace Manda for another giant summon. The original Manda doesn't even exist anymore.

[xXan]

And he was able to use him only thanks to feeding him a hundred humans to keep him happy. Since no prep time is allowed in this fight we either gotta accept that anyone with access to him can use him, or accept that he's not allowed thanks to no one being able to prepare to keep him loyal.

Except that Oro did it that one time and got threatened for it. We could say the same happens for Anko. Or simply take the easy route and replace Manda for another giant summon. The original Manda doesn't even exist anymore.

Manda does not require any type of prep to summon(or use). The fact that later one would need to feed it people its irrelevant. In a random fight Oro can summon it and use it. What its not irrelevant its the fact that Oro its the only one Manda would listen to and even in Orochimaru's case if Manda finds out he can't use jutsus (to be able to fight it) the damn snake would betray him. So Anko defenetly can't use a summon that she can't control, like at all.

Also considering even Orocimaru himself is dead(and probably half of this tournament) its irrelevant Manda's state.

Bottom line is she can't use it.

[licentious1]

This would be a tough match, but I'm going with Anko.

Stuff not mentioned: Her fiery determination and loud annoying demeanor rivaling that of Naruto. She will not give up.

Anko's two loses have come against top tier ninja. Though Shino may be towards the top of tier 2, he hasn't faced a top tier ninja. Anko's loses speak louder than Shino's past victories.

[ninjabot]

Manda does not require any type of prep to summon(or use). The fact that later one would need to feed it people its irrelevant. In a random fight Oro can summon it and use it. What its not irrelevant its the fact that Oro its the only one Manda would listen to and even in Orochimaru's case if Manda finds out he can't use jutsus (to be able to fight it) the damn snake would betray him. So Anko defenetly can't use a summon that she can't control, like at all.

Also considering even Orocimaru himself is dead(and probably half of this tournament) its irrelevant Manda's state.

Bottom line is she can't use it.


No prep to summon, but prep is needed to guarantee he doesn't swallow you whole once you've summoned him. Manda listened to Orochimaru, but not out of some form of admiration or loyalty, hence Kabuto's fear of Manda and his threats to Orochimaru were geniune as the only reason he follows him is because he wasn't able to defeat him. He even threatens that he's gonna "punish" Orochimaru for his defeat against Tsunade, and demands that he feed him later.

Eitherway, she has access to snakes, and Manda's dead, so she won't be summoning him. She can summon something else nearly as big, and just as difficult for Shino to deal with.

[xXan]

No prep to summon, but prep is needed to guarantee he doesn't swallow you whole once you've summoned him. Manda listened to Orochimaru, but not out of some form of admiration or loyalty, hence Kabuto's fear of Manda and his threats to Orochimaru were geniune as the only reason he follows him is because he wasn't able to defeat him. He even threatens that he's gonna "punish" Orochimaru for his defeat against Tsunade, and demands that he feed him later.

Eitherway, she has access to snakes, and Manda's dead, so she won't be summoning him. She can summon something else nearly as big, and just as difficult for Shino to deal with.

Prep time is something that you do before a fight(not after). For instance, a Green Lantern(comics) could deplete his ring in a fight and then after he would need to recharge it but this does not mean he needs prep. Batman would also need to replace, create more gadges because in a fight he is going to lose them but this also does not mean he needs prep to use them. Prep its only something you are doing just before the fight that you normaly don't have acces to.
In better words prep is something that you can't do in a random fight when the opponent jumps you out of the blue. Manda is something that can be used under this conditions so its not prep.

[ninjabot]

I know what prep time is. Prep is short for prepare. If you don't want your giant pet snake swallowing you whole the next time you summon him, don't do anything like piss him off, or summon him at a bad time. Manda agreed to help out if, and only if, Orochimaru agreed to feed him 100 corpses later. That means his aid is not guaranteed. Like, ever.

Orochimaru can summon Manda anytime he wants. He CAN'T however, guarantee he'll cooperate. Thus, he would need preperation or flatout dumb luck to guarantee he was in a fighting mood. Infact, Manda hoped for a chance to eat Gamabunta and Katsuyu, so that aided in his will to fight. What happens if someone that Manda doesn't like summons him to fight one lame opponent? Does he fight or go back home?

Kabuto was right to be weary about summoning an animal that one couldn't guarantee it's loyalty. Especially one as ill-tempered and proud as Manda.

[kkck]

I think people underestimate the fact that anko is a jonnin that was trained by orochimaru. I can't imagine shino winning this considering that even with his bugs he is still just a chunnin with less experience. Anko hands down.

[xXan]

I know what prep time is. Prep is short for prepare. If you don't want your giant pet snake swallowing you whole the next time you summon him, don't do anything like piss him off, or summon him at a bad time. Manda agreed to help out if, and only if, Orochimaru agreed to feed him 100 corpses later. That means his aid is not guaranteed. Like, ever.

Orochimaru can summon Manda anytime he wants. He CAN'T however, guarantee he'll cooperate. Thus, he would need preperation or flatout dumb luck to guarantee he was in a fighting mood. Infact, Manda hoped for a chance to eat Gamabunta and Katsuyu, so that aided in his will to fight. What happens if someone that Manda doesn't like summons him to fight one lame opponent? Does he fight or go back home?

Kabuto was right to be weary about summoning an animal that one couldn't guarantee it's loyalty. Especially one as ill-tempered and proud as Manda.

If under those circumstances Oro can control it i am sure he will have enough support from it in this tournament. Also Manda is aware that Oro can kill it so its not like he will not go along with Oro. Also Mada knows Oro will feed it. Chanses are good enough that Manda will play along.

PS. i am sure even Kiba feeds his dog but you don't see that stated as prep:P Yes he does not feed it people but still.

[Jessie]

I think people underestimate the fact that anko is a jonnin that was trained by orochimaru. I can't imagine shino winning this considering that even with his bugs he is still just a chunnin with less experience. Anko hands down.
Anko is a tokubetsu jonin which is between chuunin and jonin. She is jonin level in one area, but still lacks the overall ability of a jonin.

After seeing Choji in this war and Madara fanboy Shikamaru, I assume that the kids are well beyond chuunin in ability now. Most are likely jonin. Similar to how Sasuke and Naruto are genin in rank, but not in ablity. So even a Shino might be stronger than Anko now.

That said, Anko all the way. She brings more to the table than Shino, who to me is a poor man's Shikamaru. Being personally trained by Orochimaru also counts for a lot.

[ninjabot]

I'm just saying, Manda is the only summon stated to be a difficult animal to control, who only follows his master thanks to not being able to kill him. Akamaru doesn't try to kill Kiba. Gamabunta has no ill will toward Jiraiya. They're genuinely partners, so there's no extra work needed to keep them ready to offer life and limb to protect their owners.

It's like, Samehada has no allegiance to Kisame. It'll go to whoever has the best tasting chakra. So you can't really assume that Kisame will always have his partner ready and willing to obey Kisame's beck and call. Same for Manda, unless he's in a particularly chummy mood. None of which even matters now that he's dead.

[xXan]

I'm just saying, Manda is the only summon stated to be a difficult animal to control, who only follows his master thanks to not being able to kill him. Akamaru doesn't try to kill Kiba. Gamabunta has no ill will toward Jiraiya. They're genuinely partners, so there's no extra work needed to keep them ready to offer life and limb to protect their owners.

It's like, Samehada has no allegiance to Kisame. It'll go to whoever has the best tasting chakra. So you can't really assume that Kisame will always have his partner ready and willing to obey Kisame's beck and call. Same for Manda, unless he's in a particularly chummy mood. None of which even matters now that he's dead.


Well we never actualy got to see Samehada leave Kisame. It left a clone of his. Also i belive it was crying(or something) when Kisame died.

[MONKEYS]

Stuff not mentioned: Her fiery determination and loud annoying demeanor rivaling that of Naruto. She will not give up.

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This is true, but her determination isn't on par with Naruto. For example, when she tried to do her twin snakes mutual death technique, and failed, she basically fell in a heap of worthlessness. Trying that on Naruto would've just made him angrier (not that Naruto would try a suicide technique).

Another thing to be noted, I'm a massive Shino fan, for many reasons, but I'm going to try to keep my personal bias out of my argument.

Now, on to my opinion.

Since speculation isn't allowed in this debate, I'll pretty much have to go only on the skills I've actually seen in their fights so far.
Despite Ankos' losing streak, she did fight Orochimaru and Kabuto (who, at the time of their conflict with Anko, were arguably on par with the best in the series*)

She specialises in snake summons, and is a pretty good tracker (thus the reason for her appointment as head of the Infiltration and recon team)
I doubt her curse seal comes within her powers, as she rejects its' effects, and therefore it only brings her pain (unlike every other curse seal owner, who embrace the evil, and gain power from it). Therefore this may hinder her in battle, if she uses up too much chakra (eg through summoning a large snake/s)
If her "Many hidden shadow snake hands"' snakes are able to eat the kikaichu then she stands a pretty good chance.
One point (and yes, it's been stated before, I'd just like to re-iterate it), Anko isn't a full jonin, she's a tokubetsu jonin (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Anko_Mitarashi under her pic), like Aoba Yamashiro (glasses guy who was on the turtle island) and Hayate Gekko (first proctor of the chunin exams). This is worthy of note, as Gekko was easily killed by Baku of the sand, a jonin.

Now, on to Shino.
He specialises in long range combat, can cover a large area in his bugs, and can set one on an opponent without them even knowing.
Also, from his fight with Kankuro, we know that he can fight more than two enemies at once (although a summon and a nin are a bit more versatile than a puppet/puppeteer combo) while targeting the priority (in that case, Kankuro). Also, he knows secret techniques of the Aburame clan (I assume, by the fact that insect clone isn't "Secret technique insect clone" that "secret" means secret within the clan).
Also, he's pretty good at making decoys, allowing him to distract the snakes (although they may be able to sense, by taste, the difference between Shino and his bugs, on the other hand, he is full of them). Also, the bugs are too fine for the snakes to eat all of them, and once one gets to Anko, she's pretty much done (the others will come to her from all directions by scent). Plus, Shino has Insect sphere.

Yes, this is my first post ever, but I've been reading Naruto for a while, and I know my stuff

Well, overall, my vote goes to Shino, part fanboy, part because I truly believe he could beat Anko (+ he's konoha 11, who are gonna be the leaders of tomorrow)
P.S Sorry about the length

*Best in series: Jiraiya, Itachi
Sure Itachi did genjutsu him and cut off his hand, but that was because Oro chose to fight him with Genjutsu. The second time, he also used genjutsu/sealing (sword of totsuka in susanoo). Now, in a tai/ninjutsu fight, oro would win. Itachi has Amaterasu, orochimaru has shedding skin technique, plus, he could avoid Itachis' susanoo for long enough for Itachi to go dead blind, then kill him (Itachi was still on his original eyes before he died)

[bhasty]

anko's snake ninjutsu is far more dangerous than shino's bugs.. Every snakes has some kind of a poison to paralyzed shino.. And anko has a contract to the snakes, so she can summon a bigger snake any time she wants..

Anko is much more powerful than shino.. Her summoning snake alone can kill/eat shino together with his bugs in an instant..

[THM Nindo]

It's too bad we never saw Anko use her curse seal.
We know she's strong, but she's probably 10x stronger when she use the curse seal...

It's really a hard fight, so I'll wait before voting.

[hakuthehedgehog]

I don't see Shino counter a giant snake summon, and Anko ca just summon a big snake and let herself get swallowed so that Shino's bugs can't eat her chakra.

Snakes own bugs in this case IMO.

[biggchiefmo]

I think for me atleast this a no brainer, anko may be trained by orochimaru but seeing as how he abandoned her says she didnt have the kind of power or skill set to be a worthy subordinate. Shino's bugs are a much more valuable weapon in battle than Anko's snake summons. this would end much like shino vs kankuro, shino would let himself be attacked by her snake, he'd place a female bug in the snake, the snake would slither back up anko's sleeve as she turns around thinking the job is done and get swarmed by shino's bugs end o story.

[Kazu-Sama]

Shino wins. From the techniques we've seen from Anko, she has nothing that will break through a bug clone. She attacks a bug clone, her snakes get bugged, and then she starts to lose chakra. Since we've yet to see anyone who - upon starting getting drained - has been able to do anything, I think that would be it. Shino's closest fight was against Kankuro, and that was only because his puppets meant that he could attack bug clones without worry of being leeched...


To everyone giving it to Anko based on the fact Shino's only a Chuunin and Anko is a semi-Jonin, Remember the vast number of people that Naruto and Sasuke have beat, while both being only Genin. Rank means a bit, but nowhere near as much as some people make out.

Also, I don't remember seeing Anko summon any snakes outside of filler arcs, which aren't canon. Can anyone send me a link from the Manga of her doing it, or is it non-canon?

[mattiaildivino]

Anko is too strong for shino,she is a special jonin,who has trained under the supreme orochimaru,shino is strong but he's still a chunin.I know titles as these don't matter much but it's something.anyway anko isn't a weak jonin,I'm sure she could defeat shino.her snake against his insects.mmm,what an interesting fight!

[juUnior]

I will vote for Shino, BUT just because we saw him a little more in action than Anko.............. yeah.

[ninjabot]

To everyone giving it to Anko based on the fact Shino's only a Chuunin and Anko is a semi-Jonin, Remember the vast number of people that Naruto and Sasuke have beat, while both being only Genin. Rank means a bit, but nowhere near as much as some people make out.


It's not the experience and rank difference that has me swayed so easily, but their repertiore. Curse seal pretty much allows her to power through the bugs or outright outrun them. The snakes give her mid and long ranged attacks aswell as the ability to trap the opponent.



Also, I don't remember seeing Anko summon any snakes outside of filler arcs, which aren't canon. Can anyone send me a link from the Manga of her doing it, or is it non-canon?


http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v06/c050/11.html Senei Jashu requires the snake pact to perform, because you have to summon snakes to use it.

[Raizen]

Shino is perhaps one of the best among the rookies. But most underrate him b/c we rarely see him. But in the times we do see him, he has shown great battle and analytical skills.

Anko is considered a jonin, somewhat. in the times we have seen her, she's been foderrized lol.

I was going to vote for anko, but then I remembered that shino is pretty tricky. If he can use his bugs to suck her chakra first he can win.
And anko can supposedly win b/c she is of higher rank.

I'll withdrawa my vote for now

[Gats]

Interesting, people were arguing that Naruto shouldn't be able to summon any frogs he wants because we didn't see him to do so (well he did well with Gamabunta at least) while we've never seen Anko summoning a single huge snake but people are assuming she can do it. Why ? Because she is a jounin ? Do we even know that she has enough stamina for that ? Or even if she has that, she would be able to fight correctly after ?

Assuming she can do that is fine. But using it as a fact...

After all it's not a shame if she can't summon big snakes. It seems that huge animals are quite rare from jounin's jutsu.

[ninjabot]

^Because she hasn't been shown to fail summoning multiple times the way Naruto has, and she didn't have to gain chakra from another source to get her summons to work, the way Naruto did the only times he ever got his summoning to work.

AND, because she hasn't been described to have terrible chakra control, just like Naruto. It's far from being the same thing. FAR from it.

[Gats]

^Because she hasn't been shown to fail summoning multiple times the way Naruto has, and she didn't have to gain chakra from another source to get her summons to work, the way Naruto did the only times he ever got his summoning to work.

AND, because she hasn't been described to have terrible chakra control, just like Naruto. It's far from being the same thing. FAR from it.

How is it supposed to be fair to compare young Naruto who just barely "learned" to summon something (since you're mentioning fail attempts) with Anko ? Besides Naruto, unlike Anko summoned something big in the end. Anko didn't show anything like that.

She hasn't been described to be able to summon a huge animal either. Once again, if you think she can and incorporate it in your decision for the vote, that's fine, really. But that's not a fact, at all.

[ninjabot]

It's fair because others claim that Naruto is capable of doing so despite the terribly situational feats he's performed. It's also fair because her rank is reason enough to believe she has chakra control on a superior level than Naruto, thus not causing her any problems when attempting to summon.

And she has been confirmed to have the snake pact, and hasn't been confirmed to either have a small chakra reserve, nor terrible chakra control, so she wouldn't have any hinderances keeping her from summing a larger snake summon. On top of that she has the Curse Seal, which would pull out more chakra incase she needed more to summon a giant snake.

There's literally no passable argument you could think up to give logic behind assuming she can't summon a giant summon. Even the "pics or it didn't happen" logic is suspect, considering we do have pics of her summoning smaller snakes without any difficulty whatsoever, meaning summoning larger snakes is simply a question of how much chakra she can muster.

I'd also like for you to quote the exact point in my posts where I claimed my opinion was fact.

[huynhlan]

It's fair because others claim that Naruto is capable of doing so despite the terribly situational feats he's performed. It's also fair because her rank is reason enough to believe she has chakra control on a superior level than Naruto, thus not causing her any problems when attempting to summon.

And she has been confirmed to have the snake pact, and hasn't been confirmed to either have a small chakra reserve, nor terrible chakra control, so she wouldn't have any hinderances keeping her from summing a larger snake summon. On top of that she has the Curse Seal, which would pull out more chakra incase she needed more to summon a giant snake.

There's literally no passable argument you could think up to give logic behind assuming she can't summon a giant summon. Even the "pics or it didn't happen" logic is suspect, considering we do have pics of her summoning smaller snakes without any difficulty whatsoever, meaning summoning larger snakes is simply a question of how much chakra she can muster.

I'd also like for you to quote the exact point in my posts where I claimed my opinion was fact.

I'm not trying to argue whether or not anko can summon a giant snake, I just one to point out that in your logic you are basing on ninja rank in determining chackra control, and I just want to said if we use your your logic then that mean naruto can summon whatever frog he wishes because even though he is a gennin, he did spend three year with j-man, this mean his chackra control is really high right now, so him summoning any frog he want is possible.

Any way i going off topic, so back to topic. i still believe that shino can win even if anko can summon a giant snake.

[White Silver King]

I had a thought. If Anko covered herself in snakes (the shadow hand ones) she might be able to tank Shino. The Shadow Snakes are known to be very poisonous, if the bugs start trying to attack and eat away at the snakes they should get poisoned and die. I'd be very interested to see an Aburame fight against any snake user, an intersting battle it would be.

[MONKEYS]

Okay, seriously, how many times do we have to spell this out: Anko is NOT a jonin, she's a tokubetsu jonin. I know I know, I've said this before, but being a tokubetsu jonin means you only have jonin level skill in one or two areas, everything else is chunin level (what other level is there?).
Sure, the specialised skill may surpass that of a jonin, for example Tsume Inuzuka (Kibas' mum) is a better tracker than Kakashis' nin dogs* (and thus, better than Kakashi), but in overall combat she would lose.
And considering Shino has more smarts than Anko (check the stats under abilities, then check Shino's http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Anko_Mitarashi also note some stats are more important than others). And I'm going to say there's good evidence to suggest Shino has been especially trained by his dad (Kiba tells Naruto at the beginning of Sasuke retrieval arc that Shinos' on a mission with his dad, skip to Shippuden, and he has Insect sphere), who is the clan head.

So, sure, I may be a bit too passionate about this debate, but I think Shinos' got this. Plus, bugs being poisoned by snakes doesn't really work, bugs drain chakra, not blood, or venom (+ Shinos' dad was using his bugs to get Kankuros' poison out of his sons' body).

*In the Itachi pursuit arc, Kiba states that his nose is better than the nin dogs (can't remember where), so I assume Tsume has a better nose than he does.

EDIT: Just noticed, this is full of grammatical errors, my bad. Still, too lazy to fix it up.

[ninjabot]

I had a thought. If Anko covered herself in snakes (the shadow hand ones) she might be able to tank Shino. The Shadow Snakes are known to be very poisonous, if the bugs start trying to attack and eat away at the snakes they should get poisoned and die. I'd be very interested to see an Aburame fight against any snake user, an intersting battle it would be.


Wow. I actually didn't think of that, but it could likely work. Well, until the smaller snakes start dying from chakra loss, since they're alot smaller than a human being.

At any rate it'd allow her to cover herself long enough to put distance between her and Shino, or even to tank the bugs long enough to get close to hit him.

[SaintSheik]

Anko, mainly for the Oro-factor. Oh and because Kishi doesn't seem to like her all that much =/

[Sodalit]

Anko has Fire Release, so she can burn Shino's bugs. This alone can grant her victory.
Besides, she is leader of tracking squad, was Oro's student, has fully functional Cursed Seal (If it wasn't working, why Kabuto tried to "absorb Orochimaru's chakra remains out of her to make himself stronger, since she was compatible with Orochimaru's Cursed Seal"?) of Heaven, the same seal Sasuke possesed and we've all seen, this seal is pretty powerful.
Anko was compared to Sasuke several times, because she also was great shinobi in youth and this explains Orochimaru's interest in her.

She was trolled and fodderized in manga, but I think she can win this battle.

[ninjabot]

I'm actually not sure she has been confirmed to have the fire alignment. It was only in the anime that she used Goukakkyu if I remember correctly.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Anko Yep. Anime only. So as of right now she's got no confirmed element.

I also wanted to point out that if you wanna go by their statistics, Anko and Shino have equal speed, but he has higher intelligence and ninjutsu, while her stamina, taijutsu, strength and genjutsu is superior. If that matters to anyone.

[White Silver King]

Oh and because Kishi doesn't seem to like her all that much =/
She's actually his favorite female character. Really lets you know what Kishi thinks of women...

[MONKEYS]

has fully functional Cursed Seal (If it wasn't working, why Kabuto tried to "absorb Orochimaru's chakra remains out of her to make himself stronger, since she was compatible with Orochimaru's Cursed Seal"?) of Heaven, the same seal Sasuke possesed and we've all seen, this seal is pretty powerful.


Right, I'm kinda done arguing (it's boring, the votes will decide the winner, and we all have valid points to some extent XD).

One point, does a users personality transfer into this battle. If so, I don't think Anko would be capable of using the cursed seal (well, less "incapable", more "unwilling").
As we all know, the cursed seal is an evil technique, and only those who ARE evil/ embrace the seal really get the benefits (Sasuke for example, in the chunin exam prelims he was weakened by it and nearly beaten by some idiotic sound nin, but later he embraced the evil and was able to face Naruto on the hospital roof, not counting the main battle here, because he had level two by then).
Just saying, Anko isn't evil, and while she has Oros' chakra inside her, she isn't willing to use it.

No real argument here, just food for thought.

[Kazu-Sama]

Anko has Fire Release, so she can burn Shino's bugs. This alone can grant her victory.
Besides, she is leader of tracking squad, was Oro's student, has fully functional Cursed Seal (If it wasn't working, why Kabuto tried to "absorb Orochimaru's chakra remains out of her to make himself stronger, since she was compatible with Orochimaru's Cursed Seal"?) of Heaven, the same seal Sasuke possesed and we've all seen, this seal is pretty powerful.
Anko was compared to Sasuke several times, because she also was great shinobi in youth and this explains Orochimaru's interest in her.

She was trolled and fodderized in manga, but I think she can win this battle.

Fire release doesn't mean she can beat Shino. aku could've blown his bugs away, but in the end Shino outthought him. Cursed seals - she could've used it in various fights, but how many times have we seen her sprout wings... Think of it in terms of Shunsu or Uraharai in the bleach tournament. Yeah, he has Bankai. We haven't seen him use it so it's not considered Canon. Cursed seal mean nothing if she's never used it...

I think that's what this fight comes down to.
Whether or not you're willing to take something you've never seen as proof of her power or not. Since all arguments for Anko I've seen are either 'She's a Jonin' - which she's not - or 'She can do X because she's done much smaller' - which is, honestly, stupid. It's like saying Temari can summon a 100 foot weasel because she's summoned a small one. For Anko, it's hype or nothing.

Shino wins this hands down, in my opinion. I can't judge on what I haven't seen, and I've seen Shino do a hell of a lot better than Anko. So Shino all the way



Note - my key to the left of X isn't working. But I'm sure you can guess who I mean when I say he can blow away the bugs...

[ninjabot]

I think that's what this fight comes down to.
Whether or not you're willing to take something you've never seen as proof of her power or not. Since all arguments for Anko I've seen are either 'She's a Jonin' - which she's not - or 'She can do X because she's done much smaller' - which is, honestly, stupid. It's like saying Temari can summon a 100 foot weasel because she's summoned a small one. For Anko, it's hype or nothing.


That's not the only argument you saw. You forgot to mention my "Her stats outrank Shino's significantly" argument, or my "She has the curse seal, thus her already superior stats get boosted even further" argument.

We don't need to know what her mutation is with curse seal active, all we need to know is that it pulls more chakra from her body to boost her strength and speed. She's already faster than him, but with boosted speed she blitzes him.

[kakashidad]

Shino win,i'm reminded of something naruto once said...''suck her dry shino''lol clearly it was ''him'' when the quote was used against madara...Anko reaction..i hesitate to think...pmsl.

[bhasty]

Anko's snake hand can kill/poison shino.. and anko is much more faster than shino.. and i think snake is much more powerful than bugs..

[kakashidad]

Anko's snake hand can kill/poison shino.. and anko is much more faster than shino.. and i think snake is much more powerful than bugs..

Hmm ok,however shino a long to mid range fighter.Who's bugs could appear from anywhere.Plus it's a clan technique that's very powerful,as clan techniques goes.I think this is a shino win.

[Kazu-Sama]

That's not the only argument you saw. You forgot to mention my "Her stats outrank Shino's significantly" argument, or my "She has the curse seal, thus her already superior stats get boosted even further" argument.

We don't need to know what her mutation is with curse seal active, all we need to know is that it pulls more chakra from her body to boost her strength and speed. She's already faster than him, but with boosted speed she blitzes him.

Curse seal - WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT USED!

As I kept saying, think the Naruto tournament. If Urahara couldn't use Bankai, despite definately having it, why can Anko use her Curse Seal?

As for her being faster than him, that may be true. But that doesn't mean everything. Her Taijutsu and speed may be better, but Shino doesn't use them. He can, sure, but being able to punch massively or summon snakes to poison with a bite makes no difference when Shino can use Bug Clones - and as I've said I've yet to see somebody get sucked by Shino's bugs that's been able to do anything. All Shino has to do to win is throw a smoke bomb, then make a bug clone. And Close-combat technique thrown at it will end up with Anko being bugged. Shino's used the bug clone technique before, and had it not been puppets it would've worked. For mid-range techniques like her snake arm one, Unless the snake detaches itself from her the bugs will swarm down the snake to her. If it does, then her move's been nullified and it goes back to the situation i've put above.

[White Silver King]

If Urahara couldn't use Bankai, despite definately having it, why can Anko use her Curse Seal?
I don't really get the analogy but Urahara hasn't used his Bankai for plot purposes in Bleach and plot doesn't account for anything in the tournaments.

[ninjabot]

Curse seal - WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT USED!

So? We've seen it works just like the others when you fight against it's control:http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v06/c050/17.html

Just like with Sasuke, attempting not to give in to the curse seal causes excruciating pain. Right here we see it doing the same thing to her. Partial evidence right there every curse seal (first stage) is exactly the same.



As I kept saying, think the Naruto tournament. If Urahara couldn't use Bankai, despite definately having it, why can Anko use her Curse Seal?


Because we know exactly what Konan gets with her curse seal. We didn't know what Urahara's Bankai grants him. Case in point?

Every curse seal increases the chakra flow in a ninja boosting their natural stats. That's a given. Every single curse seal does that. You'd waste your time attempting to prove otherwise. Now, CS2 however is different. It grants more of a boost, and also grants a mutation (horns, wings, extra limbs, etc). I'm not even giving Anko that. I'm simply giving her what she's guaranteed to have with CS1: boosted natural stats.


That would be like Kagami Uchiha being in the tournament and you saying "No! Kagami can't use the Sharingan! WE NEVER SAW HIM USE IT!!" Despite the fact that we saw it activated, and his last damn name is Uchiha, lmao. We saw Anko's curse seal. We saw it use the curses control pain torture side effect. That's proof enough for anyone.



As for her being faster than him, that may be true. But that doesn't mean everything. Her Taijutsu and speed may be better, but Shino doesn't use them. He can, sure, but being able to punch massively or summon snakes to poison with a bite makes no difference when Shino can use Bug Clones - and as I've said I've yet to see somebody get sucked by Shino's bugs that's been able to do anything.


Because you never saw anyone with superhuman feats get "sucked". Increased strength, chakra, and speed guarantees it takes longer for the bugs to suck her dry, and that she'll be able to tank the pain from the bug bites. Doubly so if surrounded by snakes as they'd have to eat through those first. And he'd have to get a bead on her and follow her... AND manage to keep up when her already superior speed and strength gets boosted even further.



All Shino has to do to win is throw a smoke bomb, then make a bug clone. And Close-combat technique thrown at it will end up with Anko being bugged. Shino's used the bug clone technique before, and had it not been puppets it would've worked. For mid-range techniques like her snake arm one, Unless the snake detaches itself from her the bugs will swarm down the snake to her. If it does, then her move's been nullified and it goes back to the situation i've put above.


Except you'd have to guarantee that he'd have the speed to take her out while she's confused by the mushi bunshin. Being slower and weaker than her doesn't guarantee he'll be spared any injury while getting her surrounded in bugs. We've seen ninja continue whole fights while leaking buckets of blood, or missing limbs. I can't for the life of me believe that being chewed on by bugs while you're jacked up on curse seal is enough stopping power.

As for covering her snakes with bugs when she uses Senei Jashu:http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v06/c050/11.html If he's bit before they can latch on, or even at the same time, he's done pretty much.

[Kazu-Sama]

Because we know exactly what Konan gets with her curse seal. We didn't know what Urahara's Bankai grants him. Case in point?

Every curse seal increases the chakra flow in a ninja boosting their natural stats. That's a given. Every single curse seal does that. You'd waste your time attempting to prove otherwise. Now, CS2 however is different. It grants more of a boost, and also grants a mutation (horns, wings, extra limbs, etc). I'm not even giving Anko that. I'm simply giving her what she's guaranteed to have with CS1: boosted natural stats.


Okay. When people said Anko was using her cursed seal I was assuming they meant she goes into a demon and uses that. But using CS1 for the boosts makes sense.



Because you never saw anyone with superhuman feats get "sucked". Increased strength, chakra, and speed guarantees it takes longer for the bugs to suck her dry, and that she'll be able to tank the pain from the bug bites. Doubly so if surrounded by snakes as they'd have to eat through those first.


Show me something proving that she can tank the pain, and I'll believe you. Currently, I have seen EVERYBODY with bugs collapse due to the pain. And until I see someone tank it, I have no reason to believe that the pain/chakra leeching can be tanked. Since it is essentially draining the life energy from your body.


And he'd have to get a bead on her and follow her... AND manage to keep up when her already superior speed and strength gets boosted even further.



...No, he doesn't. I don't know how you've seen shino fight but to me his bugs seem to able to do a good job of moving themselves. Shino doesn't even have to be able to see Anko, as long as his bugs can see her/smell her. Say she runs towards him. He sends bugs off to either side while running away, and given her faster speed she gets close to him. But in doing so she's allowed herself to be flanked by bugs, who can devour her chakra. Shino's back was turned, and Anko could still get caught. Take Kankuro. Due to him hiding, Shino couldn't 'Keep a bead' on him. However, Shino still managed to cover Kankuro in bugs and it was only when Kankuro fell out of his tree that Shino knew where he was...



Except you'd have to guarantee that he'd have the speed to take her out while she's confused by the mushi bunshin. Being slower and weaker than her doesn't guarantee he'll be spared any injury while getting her surrounded in bugs. We've seen ninja continue whole fights while leaking buckets of blood, or missing limbs. I can't for the life of me believe that being chewed on by bugs while you're jacked up on curse seal is enough stopping power.

With Shino setting up a bug clone, it essentially does. If and when Anko tries to hit the clone, she's not hitting shino. In the same way that if you hit a ninja and they use the replacement technique they won't be gushing gallons upon gallons of blood everywhere. You didn't hit them...

[ninjabot]

Show me something proving that she can tank the pain, and I'll believe you. Currently, I have seen EVERYBODY with bugs collapse due to the pain. And until I see someone tank it, I have no reason to believe that the pain/chakra leeching can be tanked. Since it is essentially draining the life energy from your body.


Again, I'm basing this claim on the fact that Curse Seal increases all of her physical abilities. Durability is included with that. Since I can't show her using Curse Seal, I can't show that. But I've got logic and reason on my side, which is enough. I mean, you wouldn't think that kyuubi-fied Naruto from part one (not one tail, but the version that Naruto used against Neji when he was just boosted by the chakra alone) could be taken down by the bugs, certainly. So you should be capable of accepting that a relitively skilled ninja with CS1 could tank it aswell.

I could just as easily ask you to show that Shino is quick enough to react to her boosted speed (or to her already superior speed at that). But I won't, since not only is there no situation where he shows he's capable of doing so, but also, I don't think there's anyone here that believes he can.



...No, he doesn't. I don't know how you've seen shino fight but to me his bugs seem to able to do a good job of moving themselves. Shino doesn't even have to be able to see Anko, as long as his bugs can see her/smell her.


Again, seeing and sensing is not the same as keeping up with. Without reaction time and movement speed high enough to react to her boosted actions (and he's already inferior to her BASE speed and strength), his bugs, nor he, would ever be able to deliver a killing blow before he got wrecked.



Say she runs towards him. He sends bugs off to either side while running away, and given her faster speed she gets close to him. But in doing so she's allowed herself to be flanked by bugs, who can devour her chakra. Shino's back was turned, and Anko could still get caught. Take Kankuro. Due to him hiding, Shino couldn't 'Keep a bead' on him. However, Shino still managed to cover Kankuro in bugs and it was only when Kankuro fell out of his tree that Shino knew where he was...


Say she gets devoured by bugs after rushing him. Shino, thinking he's won, turns his back, only for her to suprisingly get a boost of chakra and, presses the attack both faster than before, and taking advantage of his unprepared state. Niether ninja starts with knowledge on the other, so he doesn't know that she's capable of tapping into more chakra than the normal ninja, nor how seriously fast she can become (compared to his own speed).



With Shino setting up a bug clone, it essentially does. If and when Anko tries to hit the clone, she's not hitting shino. In the same way that if you hit a ninja and they use the replacement technique they won't be gushing gallons upon gallons of blood everywhere. You didn't hit them...


That's true, but so is what I said: that if he can't capitalize on the one moment where she's unprepared (when she realizes the one she killed was a clone), then her greater speed negates whatever time he bought himself with the clone/kawarimi. Shino isn't made for direct combat, and in a fight where direct combat is almost guaranteed (how many times do you think he can make a clone btw?) things go in Anko's favor.

[MONKEYS]

So? We've seen it works just like the others when you fight against it's control:http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v06/c050/17.html


*sigh* This isn't the same as seeing it being used (seriously, are you just ignoring my posts because I disagree with your points?)

Cursed seal=evil, Anko=not evil, every other user of cursed seal=evil (Sasuke, sound four, kimimaro). Jugo is kind of evil, he's more a psychopath, not quite evil, just messed up in the head, but he didn't choose to have the power, so he doesn't count.
Sure Sasuke didn't choose to have the power, but he did eventually embrace it.

Let's say, given Anko was losing in the battle (which she probably would) chose to use the cursed seal, it would still probably be too late for her.

But hey, like I've said before, we'll let the voting results do the talking.

[ninjabot]

Doesn't have to be. Orochimaru uses the Curse Seal to break the will of the ninja and force them to accept the corrupted power that comes from it. The more the ninja fights, the more pain they feel. And it works that way for everyone that's been shown to struggle to hold the seal back. All I did was prove to you that her curse seal works the same way as every other seal, which leaves you to accept what that means: that her curse seal grants the same weaknesses and strengths as ever other curse seal we've seen.

I don't have to show her curse seal activated, if you read my post addressing Kazu-Sama's capital letter "WE HAVEN"T SEEN HER USE IT" claim. EVERY curse seal works the same damn way. I don't have to show her curse seal doing the same thing as every other curse seal because we automatically know that:

1: She has it
2: What the curse seal does

It's up to you to come to the logical conclusion from having said knowledge.

[huynhlan]

Again, I'm basing this claim on the fact that Curse Seal increases all of her physical abilities. Durability is included with that. Since I can't show her using Curse Seal, I can't show that. But I've got logic and reason on my side, which is enough. I mean, you wouldn't think that kyuubi-fied Naruto from part one (not one tail, but the version that Naruto used against Neji when he was just boosted by the chakra alone) could be taken down by the bugs, certainly. So you should be capable of accepting that a relitively skilled ninja with CS1 could tank it aswell.

I could just as easily ask you to show that Shino is quick enough to react to her boosted speed (or to her already superior speed at that). But I won't, since not only is there no situation where he shows he's capable of doing so, but also, I don't think there's anyone here that believes he can.





Again, seeing and sensing is not the same as keeping up with. Without reaction time and movement speed high enough to react to her boosted actions (and he's already inferior to her BASE speed and strength), his bugs, nor he, would ever be able to deliver a killing blow before he got wrecked.





Say she gets devoured by bugs after rushing him. Shino, thinking he's won, turns his back, only for her to suprisingly get a boost of chakra and, presses the attack both faster than before, and taking advantage of his unprepared state. Niether ninja starts with knowledge on the other, so he doesn't know that she's capable of tapping into more chakra than the normal ninja, nor how seriously fast she can become (compared to his own speed).





That's true, but so is what I said: that if he can't capitalize on the one moment where she's unprepared (when she realizes the one she killed was a clone), then her greater speed negates whatever time he bought himself with the clone/kawarimi. Shino isn't made for direct combat, and in a fight where direct combat is almost guaranteed (how many times do you think he can make a clone btw?) things go in Anko's favor.

first of all your logic don't really prove anything, like for instead even if she has the curse seal how do you know she is skill with it? From what we know in the manga she has alway kept is supress, so I don't think she has much control over it if at all. Secondly tell me this exactly how much of a boost does she get, is her speed going to be around RS naruto or raikage, is she going to be so fast that she can run circle around shino while all shino can do is stand there dumbfounded? For all we know it does give her a boost but we can't determine how much for all we know could be only a little boost. And in the manga right now, from all we see from the bug of the aburama's clan, only people with S/T jutsu, and extreme speed(RS naruto kind) can escape them. Even if shino running speed is not as fast as anko whihc was stated in the databook, I don't think the bug are the same though, and I doubt the databook show the speed of the bugs.

[ninjabot]

That's proof enough. How is she capable of suppressing it if she has no control over it? As for how much of a boost she gets, she can already run circles around him because her speed stat is already significantly higher. I can't say how much a boost she gets, but I can say it's faster than the speed she already has shown. And we have not seen a single CS activation that didn't result in a significant increase in strength or speed.

[3c]

Shino wins and proceeds to the Quarter-Finals to face Neji.