Star Wars General Discussion

[Miso]

Yesterday, GK and I happen to chat a bit about Star Wars and I thought it could be interesting to see your points of view.

What do you think of Star Wars in general? Do you like it or not?

Is it better than other science-fiction-series you know (i.e. Star Trek)?

Which Star Wars do you like better? The "older" one (episode IV-VI) with Han Solo, Chewbacca, Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa or the "newer" one (episode I-III) with Anakin Skywalker and Obi wan Kenobi?

I personally like the old series better. I like the charming character of Han Solo and the story was more interesting. Episode I and II were quite boring IMO. III was ok but quite bombastic with all those special effects and overall it doesn't reach my love for ep IV-VI.

So, gimme your opinions, ok? ;)

[walkie]

i think the older ones are better than the new series...but i must say i never become a fan of star wars. i always thought that the story could be told in a better way..but other than that thanx to star wars, so that science-fiction type films had fought enough support from movie makers :)

[hatakescarecrow]

The sith should have won they have so much uber powers and yet they lost?????????????????
And yeah the old series was better.However I wished darth vader abused the death star more often.

Edit: for all star wars fans with nothing to do, go to funny flash movies thread in fun forum :smile-big

[Hermie]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/herminator64/HPIM0218.jpg
^says it all. ;)


The OT are my favourite movies of all times. ^___^ (Of course, Empire is best out of those three).

[Gold Knight]

I'm also a fan of the old series as well. Especially considering the new episodes I practically hated until the third episode.

Though, I had made a vow not to watch Episode 3 after Episode 2 (which had disgusted me so much it's one of the few movie rants I've ever done on any forum) but after hearing so much about how good Episode 3 was, I decided to give it a try. Episode 3 WAS good. But Episodes 1-3 is still total crap compared to Episodes 4-6. I even liked the special effects better in the old series for the most part, since they at the very least looked believable. Lucas tried to cram TOO much eye candy in Episodes 1-3 in comparison.

[Hermie]

3 was awesome as well! The battles were baffling, and the final dialouge between Anakin and Obi was so emotional. ;_;[br]Posted at: February 21, 2006, 08:30:45 AM_________________________________________________And now for a classic link:

http://winterson.com/2005/06/episode-iii-backstroke-of-west.html

Captions from a chinese pirated DVD of Episode III, where the subtitles has been translated from English to Chinese, then to English again. Result? hilarity. :D

[Miso]

http://winterson.com/2005/06/episode-iii-backstroke-of-west.html

Captions from a chinese pirated DVD of Episode III, where the subtitles has been translated from English to Chinese, then to English again. Result? hilarity. :D


:loool That's too great!

[KaiserRyuujin]

Original Trilogy all the way, when Vader was menacing and evil, and just made you think "Wow what a bad ass!" Now, after the new trilogy its...hard to see him in that same light. Because well Lucas messed up Ep. III by not wanting acting and just special effects, which making some of Obi-Wans lines sound like something out of a bad Soap Opera >_< But you cant beat the original, there was actual emotion going on, the Lightsaber battles were more personal and really you couldnt see all the openings like you can in the new trilogy saber fights, I still laugh at Episode II with Anakin facing Dooku and he basically opens his arms out to give Dooku a hug (what it looks like) and gets his hand lopped off.

I stand by some the people that said for those that made Knights of the Old Republic should of made the new trilogy I think they could of done a better job with story and so much more then what Lucas did, he kind of killed some his long time characters. I think they should of ripped away his money towards the end and tried to get him to go back to how he used to do it and make at least the last movie better then it was.

[Galth]

i knew that site already :D it's so damn funny :D

[hatakescarecrow]

Lol. looks like OT is by far the greatest.Although i'm not crazy about the yoda hand pupet thing. Well i watched the remake anyway.

[Gold Knight]

How can you NOT love Yoda :amuse

Puppet or CGI...

[hatakescarecrow]

Well i am not a fan of green hand puppets

[Gold Knight]

Well i am not a fan of green hand puppets


I still think the CGI Yoda looks more fake...

[Galth]

Wait wait! How could you not love Yoda fighting!! "save day i am gonna! next movie mine chuck norris is feature!"

[Miso]

True. Yoda fighting was so gorgeous! One of my favourite scenes!

[Gold Knight]

Wait wait! How could you not love Yoda fighting!! "save day i am gonna! next movie mine chuck norris is feature!"


I laughed more than was impressed :amuse

It made for GOOD comedy, but I didn't think it was all that believable. I always imagined Yoda as a sort of Force's version of Sidious, being able to harness the Force and using it as sort of wizardry if you will. I didn't expect him to be a lightsaber-handling type of combatant at all.

[hatakescarecrow]

Too bad I Loled when i saw yoda jumping and slashing in ep 2 and 3



Wait wait! How could you not love Yoda fighting!! "save day i am gonna! next movie mine chuck norris is feature!"


Imagine that yoda doing a roundhouse kick :smile-big

[okyatoks]

Yes! The only good thing about the Star Wars prequel is the Yoda fight scenes... really!

And I really hate this scene:

Anakin: "Master, whaterver happened to Padme?"
Darth Sidious/Palpatine: "It seems that Padme died....blah, blah, blah" (he,he,he)
Anakin: "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooh!!!!"
then explosions... (so lame)

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Maybe we could do this scene:

Me: "Whatever will happen to the Naruto Anime Series...."
TokyoTV: "It seems that we will be showing you more fillers..." (he,he,he)
Me: "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!!!" (shall I add more Os?) :p

[Miso]

Yeah....the story of ep 1 - 3 was kinda lame.
I think that the 3d ep out of these is the best but when I recently watched it again I noticed that it was so boring that I stopped it.
When I watched it in cinema it was quite ok though.

I have heard that originally there should be 9 episodes. The current 6 ones and then 3 which should play after the Luke Skywalker blabla part (ep 4-6). Is that right?

[Hermie]

3 was glorious. :mad



And there is no plan for 7-9. Lucas has said a lot of times that "the Star Wars saga has always been about the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker", so there isn't really a reason to make them..

[abdulahi]

fan of star wars but i thought new series was bull in most ways. i only found the fights somewhat enjoyable but story was weak overall i thought, in all honesty i thought starwars ep 1 was the biggest crap i expreicned in relation to starwars. but the old series, now thats great, great great GREAT.

i hope g.lucas doesnt add more to starwars, although great as it may be, i think its somewhat dead now.

[okyatoks]

yeah... unless, Steven Speilberg or Christopher Nolan or Andrew Adamson or Peter Jackson will direct the movie... that will be great!

But if not....


Noooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhh!!!!

[Gold Knight]

Lucas doesn't plan on making Episodes 7-9 now. But they're available as novels, I think.

Could be thinking of something else, though, but I know there's been post-Jedi Returns novels published about further adventures of Luke Skywalker and company.

[okyatoks]

It actually came out, during the 90s... It's about Luke SkyWalker rebuilding the Republic... Lord Sidious lives again through a soul transfer - clone technique, (sounds like Orochimaru's Immortality technique) Luke Skywaker joins Lord Sidious becomes a Darth Lord... then Princess Leia's twins saves the day... Luke returns to the light.... (something like that story) ... :hinata

[Miso]

Lucas doesn't plan on making Episodes 7-9 now. But they're available as novels, I think.

Could be thinking of something else, though, but I know there's been post-Jedi Returns novels published about further adventures of Luke Skywalker and company.


Yeah...I have read some books about the "Past Darth Vader" time.
But I have been wondering about films. Ok...now you told me that they weren't any in planning. Thanks.:)

[Hermie]

No book that has been published about post-Jedi is considered G-level canon. There's a lot of different storylines about it, New Jedi Order being the biggest and most endorsed. I lean towards the Jedi Knight-games' storyline myself, because Kyle Katarn simply rocks. ^_^

[Orochimaru-chan]

Ummm...concerning the next series...Lucas said something about a Live-Action Star Wars as a TV series. Heres an news article about it..

Star Wars TV (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4484915.stm)

and a more recent one

Star Wars TV (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4808746.stm)

[Miso]

No book that has been published about post-Jedi is considered G-level canon. There's a lot of different storylines about it, New Jedi Order being the biggest and most endorsed. I lean towards the Jedi Knight-games' storyline myself, because Kyle Katarn simply rocks. ^_^


I have 6 books of New Jedi Order but I'm not too fond of it until now....It's ok but it doesn't have the charme of episode 4 - 6.
And Hermie, I also loved the games! Kyle Kartan is cool! :)
My favourite is the Jedi Knight 3 (Jedi Academy) one.
But I also like the "Knights Of the Old Republic" games. I must say that the story of the first game was amazing. I really liked it, very interesting.

[Miso]

I just checked wikipedia and the New jedi order appear to be the canonical storyline. and kyle katarn is a part of the new jedi. so he is canon too and that is sweet. cause that means that the mutated rancor is canon too. how fun is that.... hehehehe mutated rancors....



Whoa...I hated the mutated rancors! :mad

Well...but it's nice that New Jedi Order is the canonical story. It has one of my favourite characters: Mara Jade. She was first introduced in the books of Timothy Zahn and I really liked her. I mean: the former Right Hand of the Imperator! Wow!

[The Boff]

ive only read one book from new jedi vector prime... and the reason i read that one was only because i heard that one of the movie characters die in that one.... its a great ending to that character, fits him perfectly.
i am not gonna spoil who it is that dies if you wanna know i suggest read the book. or you could pm me.





Whoa...I hated the mutated rancors! :mad

Well...but it's nice that New Jedi Order is the canonical story. It has one of my favourite characters: Mara Jade. She was first introduced in the  books of Timothy Zahn and I really liked her. I mean: the former Right Hand of the Imperator! Wow!

i gotta admit that when the mut ranc shows up... there is a little panic building up!!!
mara jade kicks ass!!!

[Hermie]

Again, no books, video games, comic books, cartoons, action figures or christmas TV specials are real canon. The only G-level (George-level = proper canon) are the movies, and stuff that comes directly from Lucas' mouth. level under would be the official books/comic books that are direct adaptions of the movies.




Lucas isn't even that fond of EU (though, he did add Dax Rendars ship (from Shadows of the Empire) taking off in the background on Tatooine in Hope).




(but yes, Mara Jade is also awesome)

[Predator]

My favourite is the Jedi Knight 3 (Jedi Academy) one.
....
Whoa...I hated the mutated rancors! :mad


But it was fun. Mission based solely on speed. Same as that cool hoverbike mission.

Speaking of movies, it's kind of amazing seeing the way SFX industry has gone from "A New Hope" to "Revenge of Sith". Man, how oldschool the door closing speceffect looks. But I agree with you that the original appeal of StarWars has been lost in the new trilogy.
But there's nothing we can do that's the "sequel curse". Only a few movies have been able to avoid it.

[Gold Knight]

Ummm...concerning the next series...Lucas said something about a Live-Action Star Wars as a TV series. Heres an news article about it..

Star Wars TV (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4484915.stm)

and a more recent one

Star Wars TV (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4808746.stm)


Thanks, Oro-chan - that seems interesting. I wish they did one for after Jedi Returns, though. I always figured Luke's life on Tatootine was pretty boring until he met Obi-wan. From the sounds of it, that TV series is going to spoil that idea XD

[The Boff]

which song did you guys like the most?

duel of fates from EP 1
battle of heroes from EP 3
final duel from EP 6

i loved the battle of heroes. it was so powerful and dramatic. it fits perfectly
to the fight between Ani and Obi. i love big... ok i cant spell the english word
for it but you know a bunch of people singing? choir?

[Hermie]

Imperial friggin' March. ^___________^



Special mention to Duel of the Fates and the Main Theme.

[whispo]

Getting back to the novels: try "heir to the empire" ... i personally love that story, i had hoped for so lang that they'd actually film that book. google around a little and try to find it.

It is set 5 years after "Return" and features the beginning of the new republic and the fall of the last remenants of the empire .... atleast ... they had hoped it would be that easy.

[Miso]

Do you mean the trilogy of Timothy Zahn?
That's frikkin' awesome. I try to get my hands on the "Hand of Thrawn" but it's not easy to get. It seems that it is sold out and there's no mor publishing...:(

[whispo]

Yes it Zahn's trilogy and it really is one of the best story's i've read (ill be honest, its the best star wars story there is , inc the real movies : /)

Dunno if im allowed to say this , but its probably somewhere on the net ;)

I got 1 big book 1268 pages "hier to the empire" contains all 3 books (dark horse commics also has commics about the book)

[The Boff]

best star wars fan film ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg4PY_lsw_k

lol

[kiddo7]

It might have nothing to do at all with the current conversation but...
Han Shot First! :lol
aaahh. *sighs with satisfaction*
just felt like throwing that out there.

[Ichimaru Gin n Tonic]

whoaaaaa! a star wars thread. MH just keeps getting better and better!
Though Yoda's fight scene is one of my favourite fight scene, but the Anakin and Amidala's romantic scene really kills the joy of watching Star Wars and because Mace Windu died in ep 3 (i still want his saber), i prefer the original trilogy (ep 4, 5 and 6).
I also love reading the comics, though i'm not that crazy about the animated series.

[zypher]

i guessing i am walking against the stream now when i say i like Star Wars I - III better then IV- VI. don't missunderstand me when i say so, i just have to like when Darth Wader is born and grows in episod I - III. but i also like when his son is fighting against him in IV - VI, but i prefer I - III (don't blame me)

[rabb]

star wars disscusion! yes! i just might get to likin this place ^^

well lets see... i like the origanal saga better... my favorite song...
>_>
<_<
:sweat
is "disco star wars" its awesome, even if you dont like disco. serriously, go on limewire, or kazaa or somthing and download it.

my favorite character is most def Wedge (4,5,6, EU, R), then in no particular order, anakin solo (EU), Corran Horn (EU, R), Gavin Darklighter(EU, R), (i think thats how you spell his last name), Wes Janson (ep. 5, Wedge's gunner ("nice shot, janson!"), EU, R interesting fact: first pilot to ever bring down a ATAT walker by tripping it), Derek "Hobbie" Klivian (ep. 5 ("two starfighters against a star destroyer?"), EU,R), Syal Antilles (EU, wedge's older daughter, not a rogue yet, but she will be. mark my words), Jaina Solo (EU, R), Jacen Solo (EU), Tycho Celchu (6 (wedge: "split up; head to the surface, and see if you cant get some of those fighters to follow you" Tycho: "Got it, Gold leader") EU, R. was in the battle of hoth, not sure if he was in the movie or not). not one of my favorites, but my most favoritly named characters are Elan Sleazbago ("wanna buy some deathsticks?") and Jed Porkins ("ive got some trouble here" "eject" "no, i can hold it" "pull up!" "i can... AGGHHHHH" (kinda a rogue. wedge refers to him as one in "X-wing: Rogue Squadron", so ill call him one.)4,R)
R = was in rogue squad at some point
Ive all but memorized the orginal triology, and ive also read the Thrawn Triology, all of the NJO books, ive begun the new "legacy" era books, ive got the first of the hand of thrawn books and am looking for the second, and am currently re-reading the nine-book "x-wing" series for the third time.

its interesting... you can tell which books were writen when just by the way the authors were writing. in the thrawn trilogy, Zahn only names wedge and Tycho as Rogues. everyone else in the squad is just "rogue seven", "rogue nine", etc. (i put names with 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, and 9 immediatly (Wedge, Tycho, Wes, Hobbie, Gavin, Corran, respectfully)) in the doulogy, or at least in spectre of the past, Corran, Wedge, Tycho, and Janson are all named as rogues. also Booster is in it, along with mirax, and valin. Zahn, in a way, tips his hat to the other writters. one of the small things ive noticed is the Starry Ice, the ship Mara is on in "specre of the past" is briefly mentioned in book 4 of X-wing (The Bacta War) as being in an ambush the rogues fend off (two dozen fighters, several freightors, and a light cruiser vs. a star destroyer, a interdictor cruiser, and 3 squads of TIEs; rogues win, losing only 2 pilots from the back up squad, the SD is destroyed, the cruiser ran for it, and only 12 out of 36 of the TIEs survived; i love it). another thing i like is how "X-wing: Isard's Revenge" and "The Last Command" overlap.

i wonder if anyone can tell me about the Errent Venture (a pink star destroyer under Booster's control). when does he get it? i know he has it by the hand of thrawn, and i think i remember somthing about him having one during Thrawn's reign, but he isnt in Zahns trilogy at all....

Well, my favorite books are Rebel Stand and Rebel Dream in the NJO era, and my favorite authors are Allson, Zahn, Denings, and Stackpole, respectfully.

[The Boff]

i guessing i am walking against the stream now when i say i like Star Wars I - III better then IV- VI. don't missunderstand me when i say so, i just have to like when Darth Wader is born and grows in episod I - III. but i also like when his son is fighting against him in IV - VI, but i prefer I - III (don't blame me)


aaaaahhhh flaming against you!!!!! nah im just kidding :D
well i personally prefer 4-6 i think they are better movies in all aspects but i still liked ep 2 and 3.
episode 1 does not deseve the star wars logo in my opinion, but hey! thats just me :D
so what do you like about the new ones?

@rabb, HOLY CRAP! :blink dude, so youre the walking encyklopedia of star wars or what?
ive only read 2 and a half books from EU, cant remember exactly what theyre called but the first 2 about Jacen and Jaina Solo. and then i read one passage in Vector Prime, cause in that book the coolest scene ever in star wars takes place. have you read that one?

[rabb]

-.-i didnt like vector prime. it was the worse of the whole njo series. THEY KIL.....
killed off chewy.... ;-;
[color=green][b]when it comes to things... like that, my favorite was Star by Star, cus the is the whole battle for coruscant. the like forth battle of coruscant i beleive. and for a fortress planet, every damn time its attacked, the defenders lose. on top of that, star by star has anakin going super saiyan. my favorite book is rebel dream (the first of that doulogy) as it has the best entrance for a super star destroyer ever... right into the middle of a friggin fleet. its funny, allston described the enemy comander really well, especailly when his command area is blown away and he floots into space.

im guessing the part you like isnt chewy and anakin so much as it is the whole moon thing. ya, that had to suck. or do you mean the missle strike? nom anor was quite good at being a royal pain, wasnt he?

oh, and to answer your question, my long term memory is close to winter's and Kirten Loor; if ive read it, i will always remember it, hearing is quite as good, but is still better than most. contralally (or however that is spelt) my short term memory stinks. like poo.smelly poo. smelly brown poo. smell brown poo with a kernal of corn in it. so yes. im a walking star wars encyclopedia

[The Boff]

[b][color=green]-.-i didnt like vector prime. it was the worse of the whole njo series. THEY KIL.....
killed off chewy.... ;-;



that was why i liked it. dont get me wrong I LOVE that character. and the rest of this post will be in spoilermode so i dont ruin the fun for anyone

chewies death was so well written and it was so filled with emotion and in my opinion, it was believeable. when youre standing on a planet thats about to explode and friggin buildings and mountains and whatever falls on you all the time its a big risk that you die. and he did. Standing alone screaming in defiance just being totally awesome.
He died like the hero he was. awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjK_f9gmhEc
came across that on youtube. finally he gets his medal. thats been bugging me since the first time i saw a new hope.

[rabb]

.... what part of that is beleive-able?[color=green][b]i mean, first there is the wind, then the sonice boom that should destroy the eardrums and immobilize him, then he gets hit by a falling building, which should of crushed any being caught under it that is bigger than a micro-organism, then his fur and skin are burned off, and finally he is incinerated. all the while, i might add, he is screaming (for han to save him, not because hes taking on the moon) when the atmospher wouldve been blown off the surface of the planet like a trailor park in an F5. him against a roomfull of vong would be more fitting, and, just to make it interesting, a twi'leki dancing girl.

[The Boff]

.... what part of that is beleive-able?[color=green][b]i mean, first there is the wind, then the sonice boom that should destroy the eardrums and immobilize him, then he gets hit by a falling building, which should of crushed any being caught under it that is bigger than a micro-organism, then his fur and skin are burned off, and finally he is incinerated. all the while, i might add, he is screaming (for han to save him, not because hes taking on the moon) when the atmospher wouldve been blown off the surface of the planet like a trailor park in an F5. him against a roomfull of vong would be more fitting, and, just to make it interesting, a twi'leki dancing girl.


ok, i suck at explaining stuff but ill try again:
what i mean with believable, is that when Chewie died. It gave the star wars universe more depth. The heroes can still die.
you see, im not a big fan of the whole "you cant kill the hero" thing that (mostly) hollywood throws at us all the time. i like to be surprised and unless the character is in fact immortal then they should be able to die.
and when a planet is kerploding all around you then the odds are not in your favour. its a big friggin chance that youre gonna die. and chewie did. so to me it gave the star wars saga more depth.

and are you sure about him screaming to Han to come back for him? I interpreted it as defiance but i can be wrong, it happens to me all the time :D

[rabb]

in the next few books whenever anakin or han look back, thats how they described it, so thats what i went with. you should read some of the smaller ones. i can name about 20 rogues off the top of my head that get vaped (one that crashes into a death star), and talon 12's death rocked! i really do suggest you read star by star. you'd like it. also the one with tahiri getting tortured by the vong you would prolly like, but i cant think of its name of the top of my head. oh and i remembered where booster got the venture, so no need for anyone to look for the answer to that anymore.

[The Boff]

you know somewhere i can get hold of "Star by Star"?

cause if its really good then im ready to give it a chance

[rabb]

*shrugs* book stores, maybe on limewire, if your lucky, but it is a 500+ page book; you dont want to read it off of a monitor. its in the njo series, and its by troy dening (translation sex is writen in, but no details. his books come the closest. well, except for "wedge's gamble" that sence between corran and erisi is a little closer). at this point, a little more than half of the new republic has been conquered by the scar heads, and fearsome beasts designed by the vong from animals on Myrkr are hunting down and destroying the jedi. oh, and... well, this is a spoiler to the stuff before this book [color=green][b]tahiri and Anakin shared their first kiss in a locker in a decompressd Yagh'dul station locker room. dening said later he wanted to put a scene in his book between anakin and tahiri but the star wars people wouldnt let him.