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Kazu-Sama
May 25, 2011, 11:01 AM
Hey. We all know Hibari is the strongest guardian, it's said often enough. And Chrome with Mukuro is pretty strong, Mukuro seems much stronger than when he fought Tsuna...

But the question is, out of Chrome, Gokudera, Tsuna, Ryohei, Lambo, Hibari and Yamato, how would everybody rate the guardian's strength?

Personally, I put it as

Hibari
Chrome
Tsuna
Gokudera
Yamato
Ryohei
Lambo - even +10 or +20 years...

Jorge D. Dragon
May 25, 2011, 11:22 AM
Actually Tsuna is the strongest. Though I won't consider him Guardian. He is the Boss.:)
The Guardians according the stregth:
1. Hibari.
2. Mukuro.
3. Yamamoto.
4. Gokudera.
5. Ryohei.
6. Lambo. But with 20 years Bazooka I'd give him 3rd place.

Bhoot
May 25, 2011, 02:11 PM
1. Tsuna
2. Hibari
3. Mukuro
4. Gokudera/Yamato [I believe they are equally powerful]
6. Ryohei
7. Lambo -> +10 at no 6 and +20 at no 4 [Tied with Goku and Yama]

Kazu-Sama
May 25, 2011, 02:55 PM
I, for one, don't know whether Hibari or Tsuna is stronger. They have never fought, and they have never fought the same opponent. But Hibari has never lost a fair fight, short of poison or Sakura trees. Hibari is always described as the 'Strongest guardian', so I think he is > Tsuna

matzik1212
May 25, 2011, 04:27 PM
referring strictly to the guardians except tsuna of course :
1. hibari
2. mukuro
3. gokudera/yamamoto -for me their strength is even
4. ryohei
5. lambo -when he's adult he's above ryohei IMO

-Ken-
May 25, 2011, 05:17 PM
I, for one, don't know whether Hibari or Tsuna is stronger. They have never fought, and they have never fought the same opponent. But Hibari has never lost a fair fight, short of poison or Sakura trees. Hibari is always described as the 'Strongest guardian', so I think he is > Tsuna

Never fight the same opponents is wrong. They both fought Xanxus+Mukuro.

young7dragon
May 25, 2011, 05:29 PM
Tsuna is a boss so he don't count to Guardian

1) Hibari is the stronger cloud guardian (accorded to future arc)
2) Mukuro seem rival to Hibari! Thats why he have to get stronger than Hibari and Tsuna so he can take over Tsuna if his mist power are too powerful than Tsuna's sense.
3) Gokudera and Yamamoto seem equal power which give a balance- attack and defence
4) Ryohei, I don't dare him a weaker character than other guardian so his power is still surprise for us to see what kinda move he got!... His fist is unstoppable!
5) Lambo... We all know he is too bloody weak and can't even beat Reborn! If it 10 years Lambo, he still in 5th place so for 20 years Lambo... He would be in 3rd place to equal Gokudera and Yamamoto but his power seem too great than Gokudera and Yamamoto's balance power

Kazu-Sama
May 25, 2011, 10:05 PM
I don't remember Xanxus ever fighting Hibari, Mukuro used Sakura to beat Hibari, but as Wome rightly said, they both fought Genshiki. However, then, Hibari arrived as a newcomer, and thus didn't know how to utilise box weapons. Even then, he did a good job of seperating Genshiki and holding him off...


I think, Personally, Hibari is greater than Tsuna. Hibari has - to me - seemed stronger. Beating Adelheid - who seemed to me to be the strongest of the Shimon - outside of potentially Enma - to be the strongest, based on the fact all of the shimon defer to her as vice-leader. Koyo took orders from her, as an example, when she told him to desist...

Of course, I think Hibari - as the strong, confident person who's always in control - seemed to me to be better than Tsuna - who doesn't want to fight, but wins because he, as the main character, has to. Of course, that's my personal opinion....

-Ken-
May 25, 2011, 10:27 PM
He fight Xanxus after he finish his cloud guardian battle. I still consider Sakura lose a lose, but I can see why some wouldn't agree with me.

Kazemon15
May 26, 2011, 02:21 AM
Ryohei isn't that weak anymore...but the thing is, there's a difference between pure strength and skill.

In terms of strength, it's:

1. Hibari
2. Ryohei
3. Yamamoto
4. Mukuro
5. Gokudera
6. Lambo (Except 20 year later)

In terms of Skill...it's:

1. Yamamoto
2. Mukuro
3. Gokudera
4. Hibari
5. Ryohei
6. Lambo (again except 20 years later)

And of course, Tsuna tops in both categories.

eefrit
May 26, 2011, 06:49 AM
Tsuna and Hibari are generally around the same strength. It was mentioned in the TYL arc that Hibari loved to fight Future Tsuna and Reborn. Add that to the fact that they both came up with the whole beat Byakuran plan together, I'm sure that both are the same in strength.

My ranking goes:

1. Hibari- Everyone already acknowledges him as the strongest guardian.

2. This rank is interchangeable with Mukuro and Yamamoto, with Mukuro holding the rank most of the time. As Reborn said Yamamoto's potential is amazing, and he has shown several times that he can get stronger very quickly and by leaps and bounds. Although he is not #1, I also consider Mukuro around the same strength as Hibari and Tsuna.

3. Gokudera holds this spot. There is no doubt that he is the smartest guardian. His tactical sense and intelligence make him a force to be reckoned with.

4. Ryohei is interesting. He is both strong and weak to me. He would probably be tied with Gokudera had his Vongola Gear been not as crippling as it is.

5. Chrome only holds this rank because she can use a few illusions and the fact that she can call Mukuro.

6. Lambo. Meh, you guys know why. But even 10 years later Lambo hasn't really been shown in a good light, after his last fight he is tied with Chrome.

shuha27
May 29, 2011, 11:45 PM
Between Hibari and Tsuna I have to say Tsuna is stronger. Even though Hibari is awesome I don't think Hibari's abilites can match up to Tsuna's abilites when he is in Hyper Dying Will Mode. Tsuna's strongest attack would wreck Hibari and he has exceptional speed. Hibari is strong but he just isn't on Tsuna's level.

Between the Guardians, my rank is:
1. Hibari
2. Mukuro
3. Yammato
4. Gokudera
5. Ryohei
6. Lambo
This list isn't so accurate I guess because their power levels gauge so much. I remember when Ryohei had his other Cambio Forma and I thought he was better than the other guardians.

ErosVp
May 30, 2011, 06:46 AM
Hibari
Gokudera
Yamamoto
Mukuro
Big Brother Ryohei
Lambo
I put faith in the right hand man of the boss!

Linfone
May 30, 2011, 05:05 PM
1. Hibari
2. Mukuro
3. Ryohei (since he has Sun VG, he can eventually become stronger than Hibari)
Tied for 4th. Yamamoto/Gokudera
6. Lambo (10YL Lambo is tied for 4th too, 20YL Lambo is too hard to say because 20YL Guardians might be stronger)

BUT!
Guardians might have the same strength on average; differences are accentuated by their Rings, attributes, and VG.

hdiuy
June 02, 2011, 12:49 AM
I think many people are disillusioned about the word strength in manga. This isn’t Dragon Ball and that ‘power-level’ isn’t exactly straight forward. There are many things that factors strength; skill, pure strength, intelligence, not to mention there is the VG factor etc. And I feel that at times it seems impossible to really come out with a real strength list. Even coming up with my list I feel that for many of guardians, the strength list differs at times.

1)Hibari

It has been stated that he is the strongest guardian in the manga and his performance in the manga goes to show why. In terms of physical strength(with or without flames and VG) I would put Hibari on top.

He is one of the smarter ones among the guardians, he has good physical abilities and he has perhaps the biggest flame potential among the guardians. The last reason is that Hibari is probably the best person among the guardians to deal with illusions. (Its either him or Yamamoto)

2)Mukuro

I always feel that should there be a fight between Hibari and (real) Mukuro, it would be a very close fight and there would be times when Hibari or Mukuro would be the victor. Since Hibari has been stated as the strongest I would leave Mukuro as second.

I think it’s mainly because of his illusionary abilities that made him ‘stronger’ then many of the other guardians. Combine that with his deceptive nature, he is really dangerous. (I don’t think Lambo, Gokudera and Ryohei have what it takes to get out of Mukuro’s illusion)

From here on I feel that its very hard to give rankings as Gokudera/Yamamoto(and maybe even Ryohei) seems evenly matched.

3)Gokudera/Yamamoto

Even Reborn himself has said that it would be a seesaw battle between Gokudera and Yamamoto.

It’s hard to really gauge their power level. For example if the both of them were to face an illusionist, Yamamoto would do better due to his rain attribute.

4)Ryohei

The funny thing is that in my unconsciousness I feel that Gokudera and Yamamoto are stronger then Ryohei. It’s not based on any evidence in the manga but my feeling.

Though I think Ryohei would be very close to Gokudera and Yamamoto, if not as ‘strong’ as them. Ryohei is physically strong and fast (with the help of his sun flames) ,but in his latest battle with Aoba I really question his strategic thinking. While the ability to charge up flames while being hit is a good ability , Ryohei shouldn’t be using that as his main strategy. He shouldn’t totally give up on his non VG abilities. But then again that was a boxing match and that Ryohei may revise his strategy if he is going to face other people.

5)Lambo

Lambo is just too young. While he has a high flame potential(I still can’t decide if Hibari or Lambo has a higher flame potential) , he is just too young to do anything useful. Ironically , the fight that I have been wanting to see for a very long time is Lambo (being serious) Vs any decent powered enemy.

Kazu-Sama
June 02, 2011, 08:15 PM
I'm curious as to why most people put Yamamoto above Gokudera? I personally think Gokudera is much more versatile, being able to attack from various ranges with bombs, and use Various flames in bullets. But that's just my opinion...

BianchiChrome
June 03, 2011, 08:43 AM
Hello! :amuse

I think that perhaps it is because Yamamoto has won more fights. Reborn has also said that he has the potential to be a great hitman. Gokudera has had more fights that he has not been able to win until his recent one. Gokudera has been called by Gamma the feared Right Hand Man of the Vongola family. I believe that they have a sort of equal strength in different ways. I feel that is why they are the ones that stand by Tsuna most of the time.

obkung
June 03, 2011, 10:15 AM
1 Tsuna and Hibari : both are strong have sense in battle and versatile and can fight illusions pretty easy.
2 Mukuro : his 6 paths of reincarnation, illusion and cunning tactics make him deadly in battle both in power or in strategy
3 Yamamoto and Gokudera : they have their own unique qualities that make them a rank 3. Yamamoto, as a natural born hitman, have sense and adaptable in combat. He also come up with new techniques and use them proficiency. Gokudera, on the other hand, is the smartest in the team and with his 5 flame waves and his CAI he can face virtually any opponents at any range. They are both fearsome to fight with and if they team up, I think they can fight anything that come in their way.
4 Ryohei : Though he is super strong, may be even equal to Hibari (strength wise), he lacks good battle strategy and versatile range attacks but if he is his 10 years later, he is equal to yama and goku.
5 Lambo : He has so strong flames output and his experience of battle since a kid make him a prodigy with a promising future, not now. but his 20 years self is another thing, he could possibly be on rank 3.

Crude
June 04, 2011, 11:47 AM
This is one of the things I dislike about shounen manga, in that they tend to classify everyone in power levels. Granted, Reborn! isn't so bad as other series when it comes to power levels seeing as it hardly mentions them. In the few times that it has, Hibari was stated to be the strongest guardian and at one point Ryohei was the weakest. When I read Reborn! I tend to see all of the guardians (minus Tsuna) sort of equally, with the differences being small yet still significant.

First off, Tsuna is the boss, which makes him the most powerful out of the seven guardians (this is shounen after all).

Hibari is the most powerful of Tsuna's guardians. He has proven this fact more recently when he won against his equivalent Adelheid and when he fought and fared quite well against Daemon Spade. In both of these instances he has shown skill as well as strenghth, using his box weapons and gear to come up with effective and powerful strategies. He was at one point pretty average when compared to the other guardians, that point being the Future Saga (not counting his badass future self), however he has now regained his position as the strongest guardian.

Mukuro/Chrome could probably be considered the second strongest guardian. After all, Mukuro was once the lead villain of an arc, being equal to Tsuna and defeating Hibari. It's difficult to tell since we haven't seen that many battles in which Mukuro himself participated. And as hard as it is for me to say, Chrome really hasn't proven herself to be that powerful unless she fights together with Mukuro. The Mist Guardian is however one of the best when it comes to skill, using intelligence and illusions to win fights rather than brute force.

Yamamoto could also maybe be considered the second strongest guardian since he's shown himself to be quite the impressive swordsman and has also defeated many powerful enemies, including Genkishi who had previously humiliated him in a fight. Yamamoto defeated the second most powerful Varia member and also fared pretty well against Daemon Spade (though he might not have been fighting with all his strenghth). I may be something of a fanboy, but Yamamoto is definitely one of the top guardians.

Ryohei is an interesting case. He used to be considered the weakest out of all the guardians (his only attack was a powerful punch after all). However, at the end of the Future Saga, Ryohei was probably the most powerful, almost defeating the strongest Funeral Wreath if it weren't for his handicap (this was also the point that I became a Ryohei fanboy :D). He is perhaps the strongest when it comes to actual strenghth, but he is lacking a bit of skill (such as when it comes to strategies). His Vongola Box is beastly as is his Vongola Gear, but the latter comes with a price. His fight against Aoba wasn't the most impressive as he did end it with a draw, but then again it was more of a boxing match then a fight.

Gokudera is the most intelligent out of all the guardians, perhaps even the best when it comes to skill. He may not be the most powerful guardians, but he comes up with great strategies, such as the one used in his fight against Shittopi-chan. He has several abilities which he uses creatively and efficiently. It's just a shame he's lost a few more fights that the other guardians. He did sort of win against Gamma and Zakuro though.

Lambo is a guardian I kind of feel bad for. He always seems to get the short end of the stick when it comes to fights. However, he does hold a lot of potential. At 5 years of age he's shown an awesome display of power. And even though he's a coward 10 years later, he can still win when fighting for his pride. I wish we could see more of Lambo and I'm getting tired of his position as a guardian being ignored.

Rummy
June 09, 2011, 01:53 PM
Okay this is my ranking:

1. Hibari - Because it's often said that he is the strongest of the guardians. And he definitly showed it in all his fights.)

2. Mukuro - If it would be only Chrome I would have give her the 5th place after Ryohei, but I think Mukuro is much stronger than the rest of the boys (Yamamoto, Gokudera, Ryohei). I definitly would like to see more Chrome action. In every fight she had Mokuro took control and finished the fight at the end or helped her... She didn't show her own power so far...

3. Well this is pretty hard... In the previous arcs I thought that Yamamoto is still a little bit stronger than Gokudera. But in the current Inheritance and Shimon arc I think that the difference between them is almost gone. Maybe it's just because that the Vongola Gear of Gokudera is so damn cool and hot! :XD So after the last fights I think that the third place goes to Yamamoto AND Gokudera.

4. Ryohei - That don't mean that I think he's weak, definitly not. But I have to say that he's a little bit behind the rest of the boys. Maybe it's because he has no real weapons...I don't know. But I have to admit that I like his new Vongola Gear more that Hibari's or Chrome's. It's way more cool. :D

5. Lambo - Would it be the TYL Lambo I would put him on the same place. Because even ten years later I think he's not as powerful as the rest of the guardians. I think he will never be a big fighter... Just like the first Guardian Lampo. But again I have to say that I really like his Vongola Gear. At the beginning I was a little bit confused about that armour thing and I didn't know if I should like it or hate it. :tem But after I reread the few chapters of his last fight I think it's kinda cool. :p

Hibari™
June 22, 2011, 01:18 AM
My ranking is

1 - Tsuna ... well this is a shonen , he's the boss and hibari already stated that he has the highest growing potential, aside from reigning atribute and the KHR main source of power , will , and tsuna's will has proven to be invincible when he wants to it.

2 - Hibari/Mukuro - Hibari's very strong phisically and mentally , as proven when tsuna was in despair after hearing one of Daemon's lies about his father.And Mukuro is very flexible and good with battle strategism , also he can understand the use of boxes/weapons without any training.

3 - Yamamoto - Im kinda fanboy cuz i pratice kendo as well , but , i like him cuz he doesnt relies just on pure Box/VG Potential and has a style to fight.

4 - Gokudera - Smartest guardian with the highest potential for strategistic purposes , but relies too much on firepower and lacks skill most of the time , that's why he loses too much

5 - Ryohei - He's insanely strong on brute force , but he's kinda clueless about everything aside from strength , and his VG is way too risky.

6 - Lambo - He's not a good fighter even TYL , and when he fights , it's always just for a second , maybe just like lampo , he's unconciously trying to not get involved in trouble.But i would give him second place (yeah , higher than hibari) if thats 20-yrs later, when he has TYL ppl age , he's way stronger even without future weapons , that means he would be a insane guardian with a VG , for example.

Fomano
June 29, 2011, 08:54 PM
1 - Tsuna - He can fly, has super speed and is able to destroy a entire island.

2 - Hibari - Took Adelheid down probably the strongest Shimon excluding Emma and exchanged a few hits with the insanely hyper powered D. Spade, and is considered by most of the characters as the most fearsome and strongest Vongola guardian.

3 - Yamamoto - I think he would be stronger than Mukuro if they fought directly, against another opponent they are at the same level (maybe Mukuro is slightly stronger). After the humiliating defeat at the hands of Genkishi, he have trained to counter even the most powerful illusions. He has keen senses, a rain radar and exclusive techniques to counter illusions. The best athlete in Vongola and have the greatest pontential as a Hitman. Shigure Souen provides Yamamoto with a considerable range of offensive and defensive techniques and because of this he's probably the best weapon user in Tsuna's Vongola. Fought with a double flamed(!?) D. Spade, who clearly had no intention of losing to Yamamoto, and he even won the fight rather easily. If I remember correctly he fought Hibari in the early chapters and even though he lost, he was better than Goku even protecting his arm at the time.

3.5 - Mukuro - (One of the) Greatest illusionist(s) in the world, and able to hold his on against Hibari and Byakuran, even though D. Spade purposefully lost to him, we were able to see the potential power of his VG.

4 - Goku or Ryohei

6 - Lambo or Chrome



p.s. Sorry for my poor English, yaay \o/~~

p.s.² As almost everyone put Mukuro as stronger than Yamamoto I have focused on him to show why I think he's stronger than the Owl Boy.

VongolaSky
September 23, 2011, 09:09 PM
1) is deffs tsuna, cause he's the boss....
2) hibari
3) mukuro
4) gokudera/yamamoto they're equal
5) ryohei
6)chrome (just by herself)
7) lambo

Vongola11th
October 08, 2011, 03:34 AM
Honestly I do not count the mist as a gaurdian attribute because Mukuro does not deserve such an honorable title and chrome is too obsessed with Mukuro that if he wanted to he could get chrome to turn her back on the Vongola. so here goes...

1. Tsuna/Natsu
2. Hibari/Hibird and Roll
3. Yamamoto
4. Ryohei
5. Lambo
6. Gokudera

Dont get mad or anything i just based this on the past battles... the only battles Gokudera really won were against Shitopi-chan and against Byakurans Storm Gaurdian. i know he was injured during the battle with Mukuro so he wasnt at his full potential so i wont count that one, but still his score would be 2/6 whichi is 25% and would result in an F overall.

Airgrimes
April 01, 2012, 10:28 AM
Why I have seen Ryohei above Gokudera in lists I will never know. Perhaps we are reading a different manga.

If Tsuna is included, by the law of SHounen main character plot power, its just ignorant to put Hibari first. Hibari only coz the author has stated he is. Honestly he and Mukuro seem even. I would rather she underline the difference between the two. Mukuro is my fav. character and I am yet to see how Mukuro would actually lose to Hibari. But the author herself has said Hibari is the strongest so oh well.

Tsuna
Hibari/Mukuro
Yamamato/Gokudera
Ryohei
Lambo

Gokudera's persistence against Future Gamma was amazing. Yamamato is acknowledged by Reborn. I think they are plot rivals and will always be same level.
Lambo is a lil brat lol.

Chrome is not a Guardian. Tsuna's father gave the ring to Tsuna. Unlike Chrome, every guardian had come into contact with Tsuna before becoming Guardians. She only had the ring coz Mukuro was arrested. She was a temporary guardian.
Mukuro is out of jail, so Mukuro is the Guardian. Strength-wise she is not even half of Mukuro.
Also, while each Guardian is almost reincarnation of a member of the firsts team, it should be noted that there was no female in Vongola Primo's team.

---------- Post added at 09:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:26 AM ----------


I'm curious as to why most people put Yamamoto above Gokudera? I personally think Gokudera is much more versatile, being able to attack from various ranges with bombs, and use Various flames in bullets. But that's just my opinion...

Yamamato's sword technique and skill would likely get through this.

Yamamato has displayed better skill. Remember he beat Squalo while Gokudera drew with Belphegor......
Not too hard why people put Yamamato above but I get what you mean. I see them as equal or Yamamato > Gokudera.

Momotaros
April 02, 2012, 10:35 PM
Yamamoto could also maybe be considered the second strongest guardian since he's shown himself to be quite the impressive swordsman and has also defeated many powerful enemies, including Genkishi who had previously humiliated him in a fight. Yamamoto defeated the second most powerful Varia member and also fared pretty well against Daemon Spade (though he might not have been fighting with all his strenghth). I may be something of a fanboy, but Yamamoto is definitely one of the top guardians.

Ryohei is an interesting case. He used to be considered the weakest out of all the guardians (his only attack was a powerful punch after all). However, at the end of the Future Saga, Ryohei was probably the most powerful, almost defeating the strongest Funeral Wreath if it weren't for his handicap (this was also the point that I became a Ryohei fanboy :D). He is perhaps the strongest when it comes to actual strenghth, but he is lacking a bit of skill (such as when it comes to strategies). His Vongola Box is beastly as is his Vongola Gear, but the latter comes with a price. His fight against Aoba wasn't the most impressive as he did end it with a draw, but then again it was more of a boxing match then a fight.


What a great post! I agree with everything you've said but these two are the ones I agree the most on. Before, I personally thought Yamamoto was the strongest guardian evan stronger than Hibari. Along with Tsuna, I think Yamamoto has the best potential for growth as seen in his battles with Genkishi. From getting beaten up to practically owning Genkishi, Yamamoto destroys. Given the chance, I think Yamamoto should and is capable of either matching Hibari or even defeating him. He uses his flames in a strategic manner (tranquilizing his opponents' flames) and has a flawless set of attacks (It's perfect!)

Ryouhei is a very interesting case, and isn't given the credit that he deserves. I thought he was a pretty bad character up until his fight with Kikyo, the strongest Funeral Wreath; when he showed his resolution for fighting. I admit I was pretty impressed. Also, I personally thought his battle against Aoba was one of the most epic fights in the manga. People say that it was boring and it dragged on... well, this is an action-oriented manga. His fight with Aoba not only showed his improved fighting skill but his resolution and that made me respect him. I mean, come on, how epic was that battle? Punch for punch, flame for flame, both fighters were really giving it all they got and were pushed to their freakin' limits. If only Tsuna had a fight like this, where he had to go all out and some.

Just my two cents. ;D

Impossibility
April 05, 2012, 07:15 AM
Tsuna, as boss, is portrayed to be the strongest of the lot. He is, after all, the boss and lead character of the manga.

As for the Guardians:

Hibari, his pure combat ability and tactical strengths, place him as the strongest of the guardians.

Mukuro (Chrome) would be second in power. However, the difference between Hibari and Mukuro is somewhat insignificant. His illusions, armed combat, and strategic abilities put him just shy of the top spot.

Yamamoto comes in third. Yamamoto, as has been shown, is pure talent. If he would apply himself on a regular basis, rather than only during life or death situations, he would likely occupy the top spot of the Guardians.

Gokudera occupies the fourth spot. He has strong tactical abilities and the use of his arsenal offers him significant destructive power. His loyalty also makes him very determined during his battles for the 10th.

Ryohei is probably the least of the Guardians in terms of strategy and tactics, with the obvious exception of Lambo. Not to say he lacks any tactical abilities, he simply is shown to be far less focused and moderately less intelligent than his peers. He, of course, has high resilience and high hand-to-hand combat capabilities.

Lambo is obviously the weakest of the Guardians, he's an infant. Plus 10yr Lambo, for me, would probably remain in the bottom spot, but by an obviously much smaller margin. Plus 20yr Lambo would be somewhere in the mix among Tsuna, Hibari, and Mukuro. At this point, plus 20yr is difficult to measure because of his limited exposure.

Kazu-Sama
April 05, 2012, 09:27 AM
Yamamato's sword technique and skill would likely get through this.

Yamamato has displayed better skill. Remember he beat Squalo while Gokudera drew with Belphegor......
Not too hard why people put Yamamato above but I get what you mean. I see them as equal or Yamamato > Gokudera.

Gokudera had managed to beat Bel, it was only the rules of the fight that stopped him from winning. Had it been a straight up fight, like Yamamoto vs Squalo, then Gokudera had won by KO.
And personally I think with Systema CIA, which allows Goku to fire shots in any combination with elements of rain, sun, lightning, cloud, and storm, combined with his intellect, that he is one of the stronger guardians. He managed to - while injured from protecting Yuni - hold his own and severely damage one of the strongest funeral wreaths. He, using Systema CIA for the first time, fought off Gamma - who was deemed strong enough to co-lead a team in the representative battle.

In short, don't underestimate him.

Airgrimes
April 05, 2012, 11:37 AM
Gokudera had managed to beat Bel, it was only the rules of the fight that stopped him from winning. Had it been a straight up fight, like Yamamoto vs Squalo, then Gokudera had won by KO.
And personally I think with Systema CIA, which allows Goku to fire shots in any combination with elements of rain, sun, lightning, cloud, and storm, combined with his intellect, that he is one of the stronger guardians. He managed to - while injured from protecting Yuni - hold his own and severely damage one of the strongest funeral wreaths. He, using Systema CIA for the first time, fought off Gamma - who was deemed strong enough to co-lead a team in the representative battle.

In short, don't underestimate him.

When you say one of the stronger guardians... Do you mean Tsuna/Hibari/Mukuro level? If so then your out of it.

Gokudera didnt ''KO'' Bel and wasnt close to doing so either.
Yamamoto is recognized by Reborn as a natural at being a Hitman. They are either equal or Yamamato is above atm.

Momotaros
April 05, 2012, 03:30 PM
Gokudera had managed to beat Bel, it was only the rules of the fight that stopped him from winning. Had it been a straight up fight, like Yamamoto vs Squalo, then Gokudera had won by KO.
And personally I think with Systema CIA, which allows Goku to fire shots in any combination with elements of rain, sun, lightning, cloud, and storm, combined with his intellect, that he is one of the stronger guardians. He managed to - while injured from protecting Yuni - hold his own and severely damage one of the strongest funeral wreaths. He, using Systema CIA for the first time, fought off Gamma - who was deemed strong enough to co-lead a team in the representative battle.

In short, don't underestimate him.

There's a difference between being strong and having potential for being strong. Yamamoto as I've said before has a list of battles that he won a majority of. With Gokudera's equipment, he has an amazing potential to be one of the strongest characters in the series, IMO. But he hasn't been given the chance to prove himself truly. Also, in terms of opponents, Yamamoto fights stronger opponents than Gokudera. Think of these guys as the "Monster trio" from One Piece.

Luffy = Tsuna, (they obviously fight the hardest opponents).
Zoro = Yamamoto (They fight the second strongest; Squalo (Varia Arc), Genkishi (Melone Invasion Arc)
Sanji = Gokudera (Whoever's left) Lol.

Airgrimes
April 06, 2012, 05:52 AM
There's a difference between being strong and having potential for being strong. Yamamoto as I've said before has a list of battles that he won a majority of. With Gokudera's equipment, he has an amazing potential to be one of the strongest characters in the series, IMO. But he hasn't been given the chance to prove himself truly. Also, in terms of opponents, Yamamoto fights stronger opponents than Gokudera. Think of these guys as the "Monster trio" from One Piece.

Luffy = Tsuna, (they obviously fight the hardest opponents).
Zoro = Yamamoto (They fight the second strongest; Squalo (Varia Arc), Genkishi (Melone Invasion Arc)
Sanji = Gokudera (Whoever's left) Lol.

Perfect example even though Im not that far ahead into One Piece I understand this well.

But im not saying Gokudera is weak by any means.

I genuinely think its:

Sawada Tsunayoshi
Hibari Kyoya/Rokudo Mukuro
Yamamato Takeshi
Gokudera Hayato
Sasagawa Ryohei
Lambo

In order of strength.

Kazu-Sama
April 11, 2012, 04:48 PM
When you say one of the stronger guardians... Do you mean Tsuna/Hibari/Mukuro level? If so then your out of it.

Gokudera didnt ''KO'' Bel and wasnt close to doing so either.
Yamamoto is recognized by Reborn as a natural at being a Hitman. They are either equal or Yamamato is above atm.

No, I don't mean Hibari/Mukuro level. The guardians are in 3 ranks - The aforementioned beasts, then Gokudera/Yamamoto, then Ryohei/Chrome/Lambo.

As for Bel, http://www.mangahere.com/manga/katekyo_hitman_reborn/v12/c104/5.html shows it precisely. Bel was down. Bel was fighting more out of instinct than anything else. It's said Bel has pretty much no strength left. The only reason he won was because Gokudera forfeited the ring in order to escape the building, at Tsuna's request. Bel lost.

Airgrimes
April 12, 2012, 07:28 AM
No, I don't mean Hibari/Mukuro level. The guardians are in 3 ranks - The aforementioned beasts, then Gokudera/Yamamoto, then Ryohei/Chrome/Lambo.
Chrome isnt a Guardian anymore. She was a temporary guardian. Mukuro gave her organs for a while so he could keep Chikusa and Ken safe as Iemitsu Sawada said as long as Mukuro fulfilled his role as guardian they would stay safe.
Remember she only stayed in the main cast as her popularity was surprisingly high and was initially not meant to be so central to the story like the rest of Kokuyo. But fans loved her so she stayed in the team.
However Mukuro came 3rd in Popularity so the author had to bring him back to the story.
The ring was given to Mukuro.

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/407774_295497273837153_100001306488231_732758_707100284_n.jpg
Remember how they all resemble the 1st Guardian of their flame? Chrome has no connection to Daemon at all, and while all the Guardians were meant to be those who had confronted and engaged with Tsuna, Chrome had never met Tsuna or had any connection with him til Mammon pwned her :)

But...
Chrome is NOT Ryohei level hahahaa. 10 years later Lambo and Ryohei would kick her ass lets be fair.



As for Bel, http://www.mangahere.com/manga/katekyo_hitman_reborn/v12/c104/5.html shows it precisely. Bel was down. Bel was fighting more out of instinct than anything else. It's said Bel has pretty much no strength left. The only reason he won was because Gokudera forfeited the ring in order to escape the building, at Tsuna's request. Bel lost.
But Gokudera wasnt strong enough to break away and get the win. Others would have been able to break off and kick his ass.
Although i agree Gokudera > Bel, I think they were practically equal here no?

Tame
May 09, 2012, 11:19 AM
I'd rank them as follows:

Hibari
Mukoro/Chrome
Yamamoto
Gokudera
Ryohei
Lambo

Yamamoto and Gokudera are Tsuna's closest guardians, obviously, but I think the series has been trying to make the point that while Gokudera is Tsuna's right-nad man (and therefore high up the pecking order), Yamamoto is a better fight.

In terms of raw fighting ability I'd put Ryohei above Gokudera, and even high than Yamamoto in terms of raw power, but because of his hot-headedness and Gokudera's brilliant tactical ability, he ranks lower.

Airgrimes
May 09, 2012, 12:45 PM
I'd rank them as follows:

Hibari
Mukoro/Chrome
Yamamoto
Gokudera
Ryohei
Lambo


Are you saying they are the same? Im current with the manga and all but I think that's pushing it a bit.
I dont see Chrome and Mukuro equal just yet lol.

Tame
May 09, 2012, 12:52 PM
Are you saying they are the same? Im current with the manga and all but I think that's pushing it a bit.
I dont see Chrome and Mukuro equal just yet lol.

Nah, just that I count them as one guardian. And whenever either of them fights it's almost either Mukuro doing the fighting or both of them at the same time/in the same body, or Chrome with lots of help from Mukuro in some way. They place so high because of Mukuro's strength, not Chrome's. If it was Chrome on her own I'd probably rank her between Ryohei and Lambo. Maybe above Ryohei because of his stupidity.

Airgrimes
May 09, 2012, 02:46 PM
Nah, just that I count them as one guardian. And whenever either of them fights it's almost either Mukuro doing the fighting or both of them at the same time/in the same body, or Chrome with lots of help from Mukuro in some way. They place so high because of Mukuro's strength, not Chrome's. If it was Chrome on her own I'd probably rank her between Ryohei and Lambo. Maybe above Ryohei because of his stupidity.

Lol I get what you mean.
But they are separate now, (If your current with the manga) and Chrome isnt useless/patchetic anymore. She is no longer a Guardian now but she can now fight properly :)

Miyanoai
May 09, 2012, 03:25 PM
Lol I get what you mean.
But they are separate now, (If your current with the manga) and Chrome isnt useless/patchetic anymore. She is no longer a Guardian now but she can now fight properly :)

According to manga though, she's still counted as a guardian. They're both the Vongola Mist guardians.

Tame
May 10, 2012, 03:38 AM
According to manga though, she's still counted as a guardian. They're both the Vongola Mist guardians.

That's correct; she's still counted as the Mist guardian. In fact at no point has she been referred to as a "temporary" guardian, and if only one of them can be the guardian, she's it; it was she that received the Vongola ring, it was she who received the Vongola gear. When Mukuro's used that equipment it was only when borrowing Chrome's body. Now that they're separated the Vongola gear is in her possession, not his.

Miyanoai
May 10, 2012, 09:00 AM
That's correct; she's still counted as the Mist guardian. In fact at no point has she been referred to as a "temporary" guardian, and if only one of them can be the guardian, she's it; it was she that received the Vongola ring, it was she who received the Vongola gear. When Mukuro's used that equipment it was only when borrowing Chrome's body. Now that they're separated the Vongola gear is in her possession, not his.

Actually, Mukuro's had the Vongola Gear this entire time after he was released, and still does. Technically, he was the one who gained all the rings even when in Chrome's body. He beat Mammon for the mist ring, his future self was in possession of the ring when they were unleashed and he's the one who turned the rock into the VG. There's just too much confusion to which is the 'real' Mist Guardian and both of them are referred to as such, so I say it's both. Who says there has to be one?

Airgrimes
May 10, 2012, 12:44 PM
That's correct; she's still counted as the Mist guardian. In fact at no point has she been referred to as a "temporary" guardian, and if only one of them can be the guardian, she's it; it was she that received the Vongola ring, it was she who received the Vongola gear. When Mukuro's used that equipment it was only when borrowing Chrome's body. Now that they're separated the Vongola gear is in her possession, not his.

Dude. HE used the Vongola Gear and all. And if anything, MUKURO is the Vongola mist guardian as he was the one that was chosen. Chrome wasnt even meant to have such a central role in the story and the author was stunned at her popularity.
The real guardians are the ones that were chosen by Iemitsu and Reborn. (http://images.wikia.com/reborn/images/e/e8/Tsuna_And_The_Guardians.PNG)They chose Mukuro. (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100326072229/reborn/images/b/b4/Vongola_Guardians_getting_Vongola_Rings.png)

For all of Chrome's attainment of Rings or Gears, Mukuro played a massive role. She would be dead without him, and was only relevant to the guardians as she was the connection to Mukuro.

Remember it was Mukuro himself, who shared his role with her. Without him she would be dead and will forever owe her life to him. He didnt necessarily have to choose her to share it with. He could have chosen someone else.
People forget that it was Mukuro's choice to share the guardianship.
If anything, he shares it with her, but she has no connection to the 1st Team like the rest of the guardians do.
(http://reborn.wikia.com/wiki/Vongola_Decimo_%26_Guardians#Trivia)

Tame
May 11, 2012, 05:50 AM
Actually, Mukuro's had the Vongola Gear this entire time after he was released, and still does. Technically, he was the one who gained all the rings even when in Chrome's body. He beat Mammon for the mist ring, his future self was in possession of the ring when they were unleashed and he's the one who turned the rock into the VG. There's just too much confusion to which is the 'real' Mist Guardian and both of them are referred to as such, so I say it's both. Who says there has to be one?

Mukuro turned the rock into the gear? Oh, I forgot that - my bad! I only remember Chrome using it against the Funeral Wreaths. But I agree, they're both the Mist guardians.

Airgrimes
May 11, 2012, 12:08 PM
Mukuro turned the rock into the gear? Oh, I forgot that - my bad! I only remember Chrome using it against the Funeral Wreaths. But I agree, they're both the Mist guardians.

Exactly. Mukuro chooses to share the title with her.

keng4896
May 12, 2012, 12:52 AM
Basically, it is true that mukuro IS the Vongola Guardian of Mist, but now that Chrome is shown to be a great battle potential which is comfirmed by Mukuro (i wonder what Mukuro's "warrior" means), she might be stronger than mukuro in the future. My hyper intuition says that.

Airgrimes
May 12, 2012, 07:33 AM
Basically, it is true that mukuro IS the Vongola Guardian of Mist, but now that Chrome is shown to be a great battle potential which is comfirmed by Mukuro (i wonder what Mukuro's "warrior" means), she might be stronger than mukuro in the future. My hyper intuition says that.

That's so baseless its frightening.
When the technique was used, it was all MUKURO lol. Chrome added power. She did not in anyway create the technique. Remember it could have been Flan who could do it, although Chrome's flame is stronger than Flan's what they said.

When the technique was used, the Vindice said immediately assumed Bermuda was talking about Mukuro Rokudo and complimented him. The Vindice didnt really react to Chrome.
Honestly Chrome has gotten stronger, but nothing suggests she is even near Mukuro level strength. All she did was add her flame to someone else's technique.

Mukuro > Chrome forever in this series. Just be glad she is now an awesome fighter as oppose to being useless up until now.
Had Mukuro not had made that amazing Illusion, what good would Chrome have been?

Miyanoai
May 12, 2012, 04:57 PM
That's so baseless its frightening.
When the technique was used, it was all MUKURO lol. Chrome added power. She did not in anyway create the technique. Remember it could have been Flan who could do it, although Chrome's flame is stronger than Flan's what they said.

When the technique was used, the Vindice said immediately assumed Bermuda was talking about Mukuro Rokudo and complimented him. The Vindice didnt really react to Chrome.
Honestly Chrome has gotten stronger, but nothing suggests she is even near Mukuro level strength. All she did was add her flame to someone else's technique.

Mukuro > Chrome forever in this series. Just be glad she is now an awesome fighter as oppose to being useless up until now.
Had Mukuro not had made that amazing Illusion, what good would Chrome have been?

Chrome might gain the ability to create her own techniques in the future, but it's true that she will never surpass Mukuro. Still, it's nice knowing that her flame is stronger than Fran's, so either she surpasses Fran, or she's a much better partner for Mukuro, which is a very good role in my opinion.

Airgrimes
May 13, 2012, 03:34 AM
Chrome might gain the ability to create her own techniques in the future, but it's true that she will never surpass Mukuro. Still, it's nice knowing that her flame is stronger than Fran's, so either she surpasses Fran, or she's a much better partner for Mukuro, which is a very good role in my opinion.

There we are. We should be pleased that Chrome got any improvement at all coz let's face it, She is just an ''extra'' guardian in this series. So any improvement had better be appreciated by fans especially now Mukuro is back in business who is shown to be without doubt as strong as Tsuna and Hibari.

Blanka
June 14, 2012, 10:23 PM
The power to protect has always been the turning point in every fight in this series
1. Chrome - Her mist flame truly on her own surprised Mukuro, Author has been hiding her potential
2. Yammato - Hibari respects him, and he is a sword genius, 2nd highest potential
3. Hibari - fearsome unwavering battle prowess, but at his maximum he can be surpassed if truly focused
4. Ryohei - Amazing in future arc, but just dumb. With life experience he will overcome his hot headedness
5. Lambo - Electric skin, he has unique skills. He cannot be categorized as he is a child
6. Gokudera - I wish he was higher up, but he is the tactician, the swiss army knife of skills. He has the strongest defense of all the guardians, but one-on-one he cannot fight at same level in combat

Airgrimes
June 15, 2012, 02:42 PM
Chrome might gain the ability to create her own techniques in the future, but it's true that she will never surpass Mukuro. Still, it's nice knowing that her flame is stronger than Fran's, so either she surpasses Fran, or she's a much better partner for Mukuro, which is a very good role in my opinion.

Wait... Did it confirm it is STRONGER than Flan's? Or that she is just more compatible with Mukuro than Flan? Cant remember

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The power to protect has always been the turning point in every fight in this series
1. Chrome - Her mist flame truly on her own surprised Mukuro, Author has been hiding her potential
2. Yammato - Hibari respects him, and he is a sword genius, 2nd highest potential
3. Hibari - fearsome unwavering battle prowess, but at his maximum he can be surpassed if truly focused
4. Ryohei - Amazing in future arc, but just dumb. With life experience he will overcome his hot headedness
5. Lambo - Electric skin, he has unique skills. He cannot be categorized as he is a child
6. Gokudera - I wish he was higher up, but he is the tactician, the swiss army knife of skills. He has the strongest defense of all the guardians, but one-on-one he cannot fight at same level in combat

You have Chrome as the strongest Guardian. Above Hibari. Your reading the story wrong bro.
She is strong, but... yeah... Your not understanding the story.

Miyanoai
June 20, 2012, 12:10 AM
Wait... Did it confirm it is STRONGER than Flan's? Or that she is just more compatible with Mukuro than Flan? Cant remember
.

I'm going with more compatible with Mukuro for now. It's makes more sense anymore. They've been through more and understand each other better. Plus, Mukuro's never used Fran as a vessel.

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Wait... Did it confirm it is STRONGER than Flan's? Or that she is just more compatible with Mukuro than Flan? Can't remember.

I'm going with more compatible for now. It makes more sense, they've been through a lot together and understand each other better. Plus, Mukuro's never used Fran as a vessel.