Bakuman Vol 16 (ch134-ch142) Discussion

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---------- Post added June 02, 2011 at 02:57 AM ---------- Previous post was May 27, 2011 at 12:49 AM ----------

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I swear, Ohba is trying to tell us that "CROW" is "ONE PIECE", and "+NATURAL" is "BLEACH". Now, where is Naruto?

Why do I say Crow = OP? Prison arc, all-out-war, consecutive number ones, full cast appearing, shocking truth... This all just sounds like the Impel Down arc. Don't forget a lot of old characters re-appeared here, such as Buggy and the Baroque Works people, and obviously it was an all out war to save Ace, hence the name "Whitebeard War Saga", and the shocking truth might be alluding to Ace's dad being Roger.
As for Natural = Bleach, we have the repetitive story line that feels like it's being excessively dragged on, falling TOC rankings but still fairly strong volume sales. This is pretty much the same situation Bleach is in right now.

Also, Yoshida is hilarious :XD So is the interaction between Hiramaru and Nakai.

Now the big question is really, what is Eiji going to cancel? +Natural? PCP? .....?

[Knifeshade]

BAHAHAHAHA. I love how Yoshida is using the Nakai/Hirarmaru situation to his full advantage. That was pretty clever, I have to admit.

Looking forward to this chapter. Lots of rankings, lots of talking, lots of screen time for others, and something interesting is about to start.

[Marche]

Any spoiler yet??? Is Bakuman in hiatus this week????

[saladesu]

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There we go, the chapter's out by MRI :nod

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[Googlez_kun]

Last week i wondered where Nakai was in the 'Runningspread',only to find him in this chapter:lmao
I wonder if Nakai can really do it.We saw how should not do it.Guess Yoshida still has a lot of work to do.

I loved the page where Eiji entered the editorial department.Great use of panels and perspective.
Ashirogi should think about this non-mainstream battle-manga now or else they will never manage to defeat Eiji.

[Kibate]

First off, i love how eiji been last and this weeks chapter, i missed the serious-eiji(that's like only the third time he has shown this side of himself)

As for nakai, well, like i said some months ago, everytime the story makes us think "THIS is the moment where he will turn for the better" he will sink even LOWER

But yoshida might be able to do something about it, i have a feeling they match up fine
But like someone in a previous thread said, the author(Ohba) really does dislike fat people, this time he makes it look like fat=smells bad

[Fê - forever alone]

Man, I always end up laughing with Hiramaru and Yoshida-shi. This duo is insanely hilarious, I can not be without at least smile when they appear.

Despite of this manipulation story is too repetitive and perhaps even tedious, it still pleases me, lol.

I want to see if Nakai is really going to change his style and his own persona. Apparently, by what we sae in this chapter, it will be hard, but who knows, lol.

I'm really curious about what manga Eiji wants to cancel. It would be too funny if it was One Piece, Naruto or Bleach, lol.

It's good to know that Saykou and Shuujin want a new series to win an anime, but that is not quite a novelty, lol.

Looking forward to the next chapter.
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By the way, thank you guys for the releases and the incredible good work you've been doing with Bakuman.

[fizban]

I think Yoshida has met his match is Nakai. Hiramaru thrives under the kind of abusive relationship he has with his editor. Nakai, as we have seen, tends to shut down the second he isn't happy with something. It will be interesting to see our favorite editor will deal with the problem child.

The +Natural becoming Bleach thing is kind of weird. They're seriously calling out another manga in the magazine, and letting Kubo know that they'd end his series if they had the power right now. Awesome.

Eiji's reaction to what Ashirogi had told them was interesting. Maybe he really wasn't thinking about them while Shujin was going through his funk and he was aiming for the top spot. But he's clearly thinking of something now. His entrance to the editorial department at the end of the chapter was so dynamic you'd have thought it was Fukuda doing it. The intensity in his eyes this chapter was kind of alarming. He's definitely pushing himself harder now than he ever has in the past. Really sad we aren't getting to read Crow.

Not the best chapter for Miura. If Eiji is afraid to change Iwase's stories, what chance does our pushover editor stand?

[sir_arles]

+Natural's a goner.

It's clear now that getting 1st place without an anime is almost impossible, so the only way to go now is to end PCP. Eiji knows the editorial department won't let Ashirogi end PCP just because they can't get an anime, so I think he pushed himself hard to be nº 1 and get the "right" to end PCP.

This is good, since it will make possible for Ashirogi to start a new manga with an anime in mind from the beginning of the project.
Bakuman's getting better and better :D

[LeDuck]

I'm pretty sure that Miura would even drive One Piece against the wall, if he became Oda's editor.

E: I'm also going with Eiji ending PCP, because it will never be in a situation to get over Crow. From what it seems, Natural+ is ending too, because Iwase would rather wrap it up then change the story.

[natli]

"crack of the whip of love"
I know their bond is negative but it easily reaches the strength of the Ashirogi bond.

It's amazing how Eiji can look so menacing with feathers sticking out of his shirt. And yes, he's ending PCP, 'cause Shujin's heart is no longer in it, cause they won't get an anime. But I don't understand why he didn't take the first spot immediately... and it's somehow disrespectful towards One Piece, that it's so easy for him :P

[Knifeshade]

I don't think Eiji's going to end +Natural too. I presume it's already out of the top 10 so it ending on its own is only a sooner or later thing.

The logical one would be PCP if it's not +Natural. I agree with Fizban, when Eiji heard their gratitude it sounded like he wasn't helping them at all. And few chapters earlier there's that panel of Eiji staring at a PCP page.

I think it won't go down as easily though. It's still anyone's guess if the chief will actually allow Eiji to end something he dislikes. Nevermind if PCP is currently in fourth, imagine if it was a series in second or third, I'm sure the chief won't give him the privilege so easily.

But who knows, it's possible Eiji might just be demanding a pay rise from the chief. >_____>;

[ErosVp]

It's interesting the parallel of Crow and OP (both being superpopular and the number on), Crow finished an arc about breaking out of a prison (Impel Down) on a Sky island (Skypea), and after that a all-out war (marinford war)! I always compare some mangás shown in Bakuman with some real life counterparts...

[sekida]

I swear, Ohba is trying to tell us that "CROW" is "ONE PIECE", and "+NATURAL" is "BLEACH". Now, where is Naruto?

As for Natural = Bleach, we have the repetitive story line that feels like it's being excessively dragged on, falling TOC rankings but still fairly strong volume sales. This is pretty much the same situation Bleach is in right now.
It will be funny if Tite Kubo suddenly wants to end Bleach after reading this chapter. We know that he got influenced by Bakuman before right? That's when Bakuman was talking about homour then weeks later, he did add some humour scenes in Bleach but posters here aren't pleased with it. lol

Where's Naruto? probably the 1st before, now the 2nd. Ohba is not in position to say something about it even if he wants to. ^^,

[luffyg2]

Fist though was that he would end PCP ... but then i though to myself .. why now .. pcp is doing better than ever after their little bank robber problem... then I though maybe narutal... but I don't know why but I think the most likely would be that he wants to end Crow... he seems do be doing a pretty big arc so it might be the end of his manga...maybe he's bored with it and wants to do an other manga

[pongy]

About the manga that Eiji wants to end - it only comes down to about 3 series really, if you think of it. Aside from these 3 ending any other manga just wouldn't make any sense.
1. Ending +Natural - Least likely since it's gonna be canceled or ended anyway because of its rankings and the fact that it has reached its peak.
2. Ending PCP - Very likely so Ashirogi Muto can move on. It would make the story progress.
3. Ending Crow - This is not very likely but possible in my opinion. Eiji might want to show to Ashirogi Muto or the world that he can be number 1 with any series so he wants to end Crow and start another one. By doing this, Ashirogi Muto would be more fired up to draw another series too. Not that the chief would allow him to end his five week first ranking in a row series anyway.

Or maybe like someone said, he could just be asking some other random thing altogether - to raise his pay or asking why is PCP not getting an anime or stuff like that.

[kdowns]

Something is telling me that, Eiji isn't going to end any manga this go around.... I mean it's been thrown into our face for the past few chapters now and we are left on a Cliff Hanger... It's also been thrown in our face that PCP isn't able to get 1st place with out an Anime.. So it could also revolve around the Anime Offers for PCP that the EIC has been hideing from Ashirogi...

[dawnrunner]

Here goes my first post here

Yoshida/Hiramaru duo always gave more laughs then any other scenes, now it's getting even funnier. As was said above, it seems Yoshida's cunningness is finally confronted by matching strength - total lack of willpower of a fat bastard. Actually I can't see Nakai doing smth that could redeem him in my eyes. Atm he's the only real antagonist in this manga imho.

The clear winner of this chp is Eiji consumed with some serious thinking. Brillian face expression when he tells Miura that +Natural got a boring story and entrance to editorial department is a nice piece of artwork.. can't recall any other page giving this kind of dynamic feeling and anticipation for smth big to happen.

And imho this is most likely asking to end the PCP. Eiji's lack of emotions after hearing Ashirogi praising his Crow and thanking for motivation really looked like he doesn't really consider he helped anyhow in comparison with previous chp when he could at least say "good". After watching the news about 2nd bank break-in he's sure PCP is never getting an anime therefore he's going to help them the way he sees it's best.

Less likely way of things - asking to end Crow 'cuz he's tired of it :P or realizes that main-stream battle manga can never lose to non-mainstream PCP and there is no challenge and the motivation for Ashirogi is still not maximized.

The least likely - he's going to threat to end his own series unless PCP is getting an anime.

Anyway, really looking forward to 135th

[saladesu]

It will be funny if Tite Kubo suddenly wants to end Bleach after reading this chapter. We know that he got influenced by Bakuman before right? That's when Bakuman was talking about homour then weeks later, he did add some humour scenes in Bleach but posters here aren't pleased with it. lol

That would be funny indeed :XD But nah, I doubt it'd have that big an effect... Since the current Bleach arc is kinda still at the beginning, there's no way Kubo can end the story for a good while more. But oh wells, not the place to discuss that, I guess. But Eiji did give some good advice there (end the series instead of dragging it on meaninglessly), so hopefully Kubo can even see the relevance to him. At the same time, one can't dispute the fact that it's also relevant even to Bakuman, in a way. There have been many arcs that had no relevance to the overarching plot. While they were interesting, they could be considered unnecessary (eg Nanamine arc) and dragging the story on meaninglessly, too.


Something is telling me that, Eiji isn't going to end any manga this go around.... I mean it's been thrown into our face for the past few chapters now and we are left on a Cliff Hanger... It's also been thrown in our face that PCP isn't able to get 1st place with out an Anime.. So it could also revolve around the Anime Offers for PCP that the EIC has been hideing from Ashirogi...

I hope not. If its been thrown in our faces that much and been such a cliff hanger, it would be really lame if in the end he wasn't even asking for any manga to be ended. I would feel kinda cheated :darn Also, since what Eiji initially said was with regards to cancelling a manga, I don't think his word will have much weight on convincing the EIC to show the anime offers to Ashirogi.

[3oct1111]

My money is on Eiji inst there to end a manga, back in chapter 9 Sasaki didn't agree to the right to cancel one series, he said to talk to him once he was number 1 in jump. So I think Eiji wants to secure the right to cancel one series but wont use it yet.

[alphabeta]

Guys, remember, that Ashirogi's goal is an anime. We know that PCP will not get an anime (there was a chance, after the copycat-crime, but it didn't work out). So, either way, PCP will end. Question is only, who will end it. Ashirogi or Eiji. But since Ohba already put the Eiji-is-going-to-cancel-a-series-stunt, and PCP will have to end sooner or later, my prediction goes to Eiji canceling PCP

Becuast that will

1st. Shock Ashirogi

2nd. Give them a chance to do a new anime-approved-series

3rd. Eiji will get some spotlight

Sure, you can argue whether it's a good idea from Ohba to pull this "cancel-a-series" now, or whether he should've just forgotten it, but one thhing's for sure. Eiji is going to cancel a series

And it's gonna be PCP :3c

[Reclaimer]

I swear, Ohba is trying to tell us that "CROW" is "ONE PIECE", and "+NATURAL" is "BLEACH". Now, where is Naruto?

As for Natural = Bleach, we have the repetitive story line that feels like it's being excessively dragged on, falling TOC rankings but still fairly strong volume sales. This is pretty much the same situation Bleach is in right now.
Maybe not in the rankings (I don't pay attention to them), but this description could perfectly fit Naruto as well.


Guys, remember, that Ashirogi's goal is an anime. We know that PCP will not get an anime (there was a chance, after the copycat-crime, but it didn't work out). So, either way, PCP will end. Question is only, who will end it. Ashirogi or Eiji. But since Ohba already put the Eiji-is-going-to-cancel-a-series-stunt, and PCP will have to end sooner or later, my prediction goes to Eiji canceling PCP

Becuast that will

1st. Shock Ashirogi

2nd. Give them a chance to do a new anime-approved-series

3rd. Eiji will get some spotlight

4th. Be slightly better than all the other awful alternatives by which he can end PCP. And yes, they are all awful.

Sure, you can argue whether it's a good idea from Ohba to pull this "cancel-a-series" now, or whether he should've just forgotten it, but one thhing's for sure. Eiji is going to cancel a series
Added a point you missed.

[Mattios]

i dunno why but; I get a feeling that eiji went to the editor-in-cheif to say something for ashirogi-kun. Like why wouldn't them get an anime? Or something else

[Reclaimer]

i dunno why but; I get a feeling that eiji went to the editor-in-cheif to say something for ashirogi-kun. Like why wouldn't them get an anime? Or something else
Now that's an interesting possibility. Supposing he asks and is told why not, then what?
Does that make him more likely to cancel it (because they'll never beat him) or less because that is a huge handicap for them beating him?

And suppose he says to the chief that he wants to cancel PCP because Ashirogi will never beat him. What if the chief responds by telling him about that and the handicap they have?

[superfluffy]

is it me or eiji just doesn't have that interest for ashirogi like at the beginning

[saladesu]

Maybe not in the rankings (I don't pay attention to them), but this description could perfectly fit Naruto as well.

Yup, I agree, but added to the thing about poor rankings but strong volume sales, it seems to be more an allusion to Bleach rather than Naruto. And at least from the way Naruto is going right now, it's obvious the end is fairly near (so it's not like Kishi needs to be "told" that he ought to end the series rather than dragging it on).


Guys, remember, that Ashirogi's goal is an anime. We know that PCP will not get an anime (there was a chance, after the copycat-crime, but it didn't work out). So, either way, PCP will end. Question is only, who will end it. Ashirogi or Eiji. But since Ohba already put the Eiji-is-going-to-cancel-a-series-stunt, and PCP will have to end sooner or later, my prediction goes to Eiji canceling PCP

Becuast that will

1st. Shock Ashirogi

2nd. Give them a chance to do a new anime-approved-series

3rd. Eiji will get some spotlight

Sure, you can argue whether it's a good idea from Ohba to pull this "cancel-a-series" now, or whether he should've just forgotten it, but one thhing's for sure. Eiji is going to cancel a series

And it's gonna be PCP :3c

I tend to agree with you that it'll be PCP, if Eiji does cancel a series (and I would be way disappointed if he wasn't going to cancel a series). Even if at this point we don't know if Eiji will even be allowed to cancel a series if he does ask for that right, assuming he does, I really want it to be PCP just so the story can move on. Because yes, like you said, Ashirogi's goal is an anime. The whole overarching goal of Bakuman itself is to get an anime (and of course Azuki has to voice the heroine, but first they need the anime). I hope the mentions of +Natural was just a red herring, because if +Natural was canceled instead and there were arcs focusing on Akina again... Well, let's just say Ohba should take Eiji's advice and not drag the story on unnecessarily :/

[alphabeta]

We have someone do a copycat crime from a fictional manga in a fictional WSJ and we have to a real crime in RL, which is connected to Bakuman...

Coincidence or did Ohba already knew about this guy who uploaded the Bakuman anime and decided to use this as a story? :eyeroll

[saladesu]

I don't think the incident with the guy uploading anime to Share had anything to do with it at all.

If Ohba was trying to allude to a real-life copycat criminal, it would definitely be the Belgian Death Note copycat criminals, the guys behind the "Manga Murder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_Murder)". That's also why a lot of people feel PCP is an allusion to Death Note, also controversial in many ways (Death Note - the notion of justice; PCP - kids committing "perfect crimes"). Death Note also was unable to secure an anime (perhaps for the same reasons as PCP, though that may not necessarily have been the case), and only was able to get one after the whole series was over.

[Mattios]

I just recently came up with an idea that isn't strange that in that manga world people like thoose "bank robber" happend what if that happends in this real life u know. It give me an idea that maybe this incident will make "them" accept ashirogi-sensei to do there animation in this current running manga PCP because what shuiesha had exepted happend in any case with or with out the animation right? So the outcome of all this could actually be that editor-in-cheif will accept them to do an animation?:)

[saladesu]

I don't think so. The effect of having an anime is having a significantly larger number of people reading the manga or being exposed to the "crimes" via the anime itself. This is evident from how volume sales always increase after a manga gets an anime, and even in Fukuda's case you could see how the votes increased as well, probably because more people were reading the manga. The fear is thus that with more people - particularly children of course - exposed to these "crimes", there is a greater chance that there would be copycat crimes (though most of them are more like pranks than real crimes, but still) which are a bad influence on children. Plus, I think when you see moving people on the screen, you're more likely to want to copy it or think its cool than if you see it on a static manga page.

[sekida]

i dunno why but; I get a feeling that eiji went to the editor-in-cheif to say something for ashirogi-kun. Like why wouldn't them get an anime? Or something else

Probably not, it is not in Eiji's character to ask something especially about why AM doesn't get an anime which I think it's pretty obvious.

[SSJAIden]

Why do so many people think Eiji will ask to end Crow? HE'S THE AUTHOR!! Can't he just end it whenever he wants? Jump can't force him to keep writing it against his will... Ashirogi decided to stop running Tanto, why couldn't Eiji just stop?

[saladesu]

Ashirogi deciding to stop running Tanto wasn't exactly an easy thing for them either, they had to talk to the EIC, and certain conditions had to be set. They could have been kicked out of Jump, and even if Eiji is practically Jump's golden child, knowing the EIC he probably would say the same to Eiji.

On the other hand, it also seems very counter-productive to try so hard to make the manga so good it gets #1... In order to end it. It just seems so stupid, and Eiji isn't stupid.

Though, with the description of what CROW was like recently - epic battles, full cast appearing etc etc... It could be a conclusion arc. If he did want to end CROW, that is...

[kdowns]

Well I don't really know if anyone has made the connection of the Copycat Crime in PCP which like people have said Fiction Crime that was inspired by the fictional manga "PCP" .

Well the Similar thing happened with "Death Note" in which there was a murder in Belgium where the Murderer claimed himself to be "Kira" which happened during the anime run of Death Note... Which I think cause the early end of the anime...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_Murder

Which might help give us a reason to believe the Eiji is going to cancel PCP because the crimes will keep getting redone and bring negative attention to Ashirogi and plus all the obvious stuff. If Eiji "Doesn't" cancel PCP as we have seen that it is possible for them to turn the copycat crimes into positive attention....

[rarabella]

But who knows, it's possible Eiji might just be demanding a pay rise from the chief. >_____>;

I doubt he gives a crap about how much he gets paid. He already has loads of money and said he doesn't know what to do with it. It might be PCP or Crow that he wants to end.

[alphabeta]

I doubt he gives a crap about how much he gets paid. He already has loads of money and said he doesn't know what to do with it. It might be PCP or Crow that he wants to end.

I remember, somewhere in the early chapters of Bakuman, Shuujin or Hattori saying that Crow was already 30 times more popular profitable than Trap back then. I think the exact numbers were something like 3 million yen, from the Trap Volumes and 100 million from the Crow ones.

[Knifeshade]

I doubt he gives a crap about how much he gets paid. He already has loads of money and said he doesn't know what to do with it.I was being sarcastic.

My point is that there might be a plot twist. I hope we are genuinely surprised.

We have to remember that Eiji requesting to end PCP isn't exactly the only plot device to move Saikou and Shujin forward. They were already planning on a second series 918348 chapters ago. It's only a matter of time for that light bulb to light up for those two.

And then we have to also consider "why would Eiji want to end PCP?". A couple arcs back at the end of the Nanamine arc, we just saw Eiji praising PCP and admitting one day it might even overtake him. Fast forward to the present and the only logical reason thus far would be when Shujin had his slump. But he's recovered and once again PCP is in their original top 5 comfy spot. Eiji at least needs a better reason than I dislike it to end PCP. And, um, this is just me, but it's gonna take some convincing for me to think "WITH MAH MIGHTY THOR HAMMER I BANISH YOU BACK TO SQUARE ONE. DO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT PICK UP $200" translates to "Hey Ashirogi, I'm just helping you guys come up with something even better to beat me kthxbai :3".

I agree with a previous poster, who said that Eiji might just be asking the chief if he can have banhammer powers now. We might finally see some character development in Eiji, he looks so serious and like he has a plan. Maybe he's discovered a new manga philosophy.

But if it turns out when I read the end of the next chapter and it has "I WANNA END PCP" in big bold text, I will literally fall over anime styles afterwards. Because it makes me feel like I'm the only person who looks underneath the underneath. =/

[Note]

Personally, I don't think Ohba will make Eiji end a manga (if a manga is ended, it could only be crow or pcp unless a new threat appears <- unlikely). I can imagine Eiji making a different kind of request and to be honest, with a character like him, if he said "I want to write another manga alongside crow whilst drawing +natural", I wouldn't be surprised. I would love to see a manga collab between ashirogi and eiji, it would be nice if he requested a project like that.

[alphabeta]

Personally, I don't think Ohba will make Eiji end a manga (if a manga is ended, it could only be crow or pcp unless a new threat appears <- unlikely). I can imagine Eiji making a different kind of request and to be honest, with a character like him, if he said "I want to write another manga alongside crow whilst drawing +natural", I wouldn't be surprised. I would love to see a manga collab between ashirogi and eiji, it would be nice if he requested a project like that.

If Eiji isn't going to end a manga, especially now, then what was the point in hyping him up, with being 1st place for 5 weeks straight? If he wanted a request like the one you mentioned in your post, he didn't had to get 1st place. 2nd, 3rd, and maybe even 4th would be enough. The only reason, why Eiji was so eager to become 1st place, was to cancel a series, and like i stated in my previous post, it's gonna be PCP.

[saladesu]

I'm all for Ohba pulling a plot twist on us. As long as the plot twist is something decent. I agree with alphabeta that it's been hyped up so much in the past few chapters, I would actually be rather annoyed if something wasn't canceled (or rather, if Eiji didn't even pop the question).

Though, it is possible that Eiji wanted to be #1 to prove he could handle having another series on top of +NATURAL and CROW... Doubt the EIC would let him do that, though, if that really were his request.

An Ashirogi and Eiji collab would be pretty awesome, but I can't see it being more than just a one-shot, sorta like Cross Epoch was between Oda and Toriyama, and the recent one between Oda and Shimabukuro, the name of which slips my mind now.

[Note]

I've always known ohba for pulling out something which i couldn't expect. It's been hyped up for the past few chapters,yes, but it makes me doubt that he'll actually do it, esspecially since all the characters think it's going to happen. If he ends a manga i can't imagine it having a shock factor. Imagine if PCP ended next chapter, most of us would be like "yup what are they going to come up with next" and to be honest, it wouldn't be the best cliffhanger. I think if 1st place "allows" Eiji to end a manga of his choice it would also allow him to do something different but with the same value. Also if he's first, he could argue that he is jump's 'most popular' author and possibly attempt to blackmail them in a way. I'm sorry, i just feel a cancellation is soo obvious that I can't accept it from ohba :(

[alphabeta]

Gotta agree with this one. If Ohba wanted to give us a shock, he should've probably made Eiji suddenly, without warning, saying :I'm 1st place. Either you cancel PCP or i stop drawing. Or something of that sort <------ This last sentence is my post. Not what Eiji says :fail

Well, but then again, Ohba didn't, which leaves us with what we have now. Eiji, after being 1st for 5 weeks straight in front of the EIC's desk. What super-duper-mega-ultra interesting twist can possibly Ohba come up with now? ...

My guess is not to cancel PCP, but to make sure Ashirogi Muto will split up, and never work together again. This gives room for a hellish amount of Character Development, like Saikou questioning whether he did the right thing drawing manga, and Shuujin maybe starting to get mad at Miyoshi, and then there will be a divorce and everything goes downhills, and then Ohba trolls us all, and Ashirogi end up together again, and do a anime-approved manga :hee

[Reclaimer]

What super-duper-mega-ultra interesting twist can possibly Ohba come up with now? ...

My guess is not to cancel PCP, but to make sure Ashirogi Muto will split up, and never work together again.
And this would be accomplished how?

[alphabeta]

And this would be accomplished how?

I don't get what you mean. What would be accomplished how? Saikou/Shuujin never working together again?

[Reclaimer]

I don't get what you mean. What would be accomplished how? Saikou/Shuujin never working together again?
Yes.

[alphabeta]

Yes.

Simply. Shueisha forbids them to work as a duo again. They should be able to see whether they fulfill this task or not. As to what this would cause, i already said this in my previous post.

[Reclaimer]

Shueisha forbids them to work as a duo again..
They literally couldn't do that.

[alphabeta]

They literally couldn't do that.

Now it's my turn to ask why?

[Reclaimer]

Mangaka's aren't employees of Shueisha. They are independent contractors paid in exchange for producing a series. Nothing in that arrangement gives Shueisha any power over how the mangaka operates.

[Shamy]

Verfication: Confirmed

Bakuman 135 Raw Scan (http://mangahead.com/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bakuman/Bakuman-135-Raw-Scan) (Chinese) out

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7639/cn01z.jpg

[shouryuujo]

Verfication: Confirmed
Credits: shouryuujo
Source: MH

basically the gang gather up to talk to Eiji about what manga he will cancel. There were some questions whether Natural will get cancelled and whether if Eiji got the OK. Eiji said he got the OK as long as he finishes number 1 for 5 more weeks and he will cancel Crow. The others starts debating whether it is right move or not with comments like "the manga is still going strong as well as the anime and jump will lose a lot of money" to "he is loaded maybe he wants to take a break and spend it". In the end Eiji said if anyone beats Crow in the next 5 weeks (basically be number 1.) then he wont quit Crow but he is very confident it wont happen since Crow is at the height of a story arc. This pumped up ashirogi and fukuda the most with fukuda saying he will beat Eiji.
It would be weird if PCP doesnt get first now... so let's see what storyline takagi can come up with to unseat Eiji!

[saladesu]

Hmm. So Eiji is canceling a manga after all, and of all things, its CROW. I'm kinda surprised the EIC gave the green light for that, but I guess it's okay since it's his own manga, ie, he's not interfering with someone else's manga by ending it prematurely.

And, unfortunately, this means that this arc will evolve (devolve?) into Ashirogi trying to beat Eiji again, with PCP. Their second series gets pushed aside once again. Will Ashirogi ever get an anime at this rate? :s Though, it *is* possible that if PCP manages to beat Eiji, they might get an anime with PCP... This arc sounds like it will be another of those that don't really propel the story forward in the sense of helping Ashirogi achieve their anime goal.

[shouryuujo]

problem with anime goal is "what's next". It is almost like eyeshield where the "goal" is xmas bowl and after reaching it the manga kinda dead...

[saladesu]

problem with anime goal is "what's next". It is almost like eyeshield where the "goal" is xmas bowl and after reaching it the manga kinda dead...

What's next? The manga (Bakuman) ends.

That's what I call an organic ending, and I like endings like that. I much rather an ending like that than a series being dragged on unnecessarily (ironically this is exactly what Eiji talked about in the previous chapter) :) As it is, Bakuman is already sorta being dragged on, imo, with so many arcs unrelated to that overarching goal. It's getting repetitive.

[h3dvix]

I disagree to your point on how Bakuman is being dragged out.
No arc is meaningless if it helps the character-development. Personally, if all the story is about saiko-takagi, it'll be really booring. It's good that we get to visit other characters.

Dragged on in my definition is manga like 'bleach', an arc takes like 2-3 years to finish and new villain after another.. and there's barely any development per chapter to say...

With that being said, we should remind ourselves that its extremely hard to be serialized in jump. Bakuman in a way makes it seem easy with so many authors being cancelled and re-serialized.

I understand if these guys wants to drag their manga longer, even for a week. They're doing this for a living after all...

[Kibate]

@h3dvix: Your comment is kinda...ironic. What IS character development? What does what happens all the time in Bakuman have with development to do? "Oh noes, another new evulz mangaka, we have to beat him!" "We can't beat him due to unexpected character weakness #1024" "I overcome my weakness, now we can beat him!" "And since we powerup'ed our skills, we should be #1 now, BUT OH NOEZ, anoter new evulz mangaka appears, and we have another new weakness now we have to overcome" etc. Let's face it, bakuman has as much development as Simpsons has.
However to make it even more ironic you say Bleach doesn't have development and "villain after villian". I'm sorry, but i think you mistoke bleach manga for the bleach anime. In the bleach manga, except for the introduction volumes, there was ONLY aizen as the true villian, and now, for just a few months now, a new one. Yes, it gets dragged on a lot, but not because there is "villian after villian" but because Kubo has shit pacing and needs an entire year for a single fight. And if you count aizens mooks as "villains", they are actually just plot devices to power ichigo up which in return is actually development.

Now don't get me wrong, i'm not saying one series is better than the others, but being nitpicking about one series while your favourite series does the same is ...well, ironic, and i just wanted to point that out.

ANYWAY as for the spoilers.
The spoilers were kinda confusing, but as far as i can tell he wants to cancel crow? Okay, i did not see that one coming. Especially considering i acted high and mighty because people predicted that and i said that's impossible because it wouldn't make any sense, which it still doesn't. Nor von Eiji pov nor on the editorials view.

[shouryuujo]

@kibate
i think eiji wanting to cancel crow might be because he is tired of the series and sees "no competition" from other mangaka and simply wants to start a new series. Fukuda did mention Natural but Eiji said he is not the creative brain behind it (iwase is doing the story) so it really isn't "his manga".

[yukilove21]

Well, Ohba and Obata know what they are doing with this. Every week this manga has had a good chapter(In my opinion). They probably have more plans.
I am shocked by Eiji. But I think that it is to be expected... sorta. Because he could just make more awesome manga.

[Kibate]

@shouryuujo:
But then why make it #1 and not just, you know, END it or make it suck? I think a "Okay, your series have been #3 for 10 years now, you can go ahead and end it if that is what you really want, but don't come back if your new series sucks" is more appropiate than a "You have been #3 for 10 years and even went up to #1 for this last year, your manga is more popular than ever, but go ahead and end it if you want"

Especially considering you can't make a manga good if you don't like it anymore. A break i can understand,but not self cancelation

[perroloco]

Interesting.. So the guys either beat him or not...

I could imagine several scenarios.

A) Ashirogi beats Eiji.
I don't think Ashirogi will beat Eiji, its too soon IMO, but there are other mangas.

B) Ashirogi & Fukuda beat Eiji.
Imagine a collaboration chapter between PCP and Racer Giri (Or whatever the name of Fukuda's manga is)

C) Other mangaka beats Eiji.
This is the one thing I actually don't like of Bakuman.. How the newcomers get soooooooo popular in a short period of time, sure there are mangakas which became popular quickly like Eiichiro oda but I mean all the newcomers are top tier in the TOC!
I wanna see Eiichiro Odaa!! XD

D) Eiji isn't beaten.
Simple as that, he wins, cancels CROW and gets to do a new manga, this scenario is intereseting because---
Imagine that Ashirogi loses in 2nd place by a margin of xx votes, Eiji cancels CROW and invites them to make a new manga, this way both Ashirogi and Eiji will start clean on a competition to see who is the best.

[Knifeshade]

I swear they look like little kids excited over nothing in some of those panels...

But damn does Eiji have some awesome lines in this chapter. (Which I won't spoil)


But then why make it #1 and not just, you know, END it or make it suck? I think a "Okay, your series have been #3 for 10 years now, you can go ahead and end it if that is what you really want, but don't come back if your new series sucks" is more appropiate than a "You have been #3 for 10 years and even went up to #1 for this last year, your manga is more popular than ever, but go ahead and end it if you want"

Especially considering you can't make a manga good if you don't like it anymore. A break i can understand,but not self cancelation Eiji has this goal of wanting to go out with a bang. He mentions he already had the goal, before Crow was even serialized, that he will end his series out with a long streak of first place rankings, that is his "perfect ending".


This arc sounds like it will be another of those that don't really propel the story forward in the sense of helping Ashirogi achieve their anime goal. THIS.

It does, it really does. At first, it was kinda cool to take a peek into Eiji's mind (when Fukuda and co came up to his place to demand answers). But then towards the end it, once again, turns into a "challenge to see if you can beat me" battle. Which...has been what everybody's repeating and doing all along the entire time, no? I've read the chapter twice trying wrap my head around it but it feels like a stale arc to me. =/

[h3dvix]

@kibate

Ok.. I get the feeling that I may hit someone's nerve or something... I'd like to say that I don't hate "bleach" manga (and no i don't watch the anime), but I don't find it as interesting as before (soul society arc is the peak for me)

So what is CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT?
It's when the "reader" gets informed something 'new' about the character that they haven't known yet...Or when we can look back and say "aah I can see how he changed..." It's not always about the main protagonist, but also the side-characters
This can constitute from:

Learning how to overcome obstacle and ordeals
gaining new thoughts and resolution
how their relationship with other characters changed.
or even simply knowing the reason behind why a character do what they do (background story, etc) for villains especially

For me, simply being "powered up" time after time, gets old for a character development

Your example of "evil mangaka", i can only relate to "nanamine-kun", if you think he's a villain, you're sadly mistaken, in the end the protagonist didn't really do anything 'new' to stop him, they just do what they do best.
The whole arc with "nanamine-kun" is for developing nanamine, kosugi(editor) and nakai (lol), because we get to see something 'new' from these characters.

The problem with Bleach and its "shit" pacing (as you pointed out)... it's extremely hard for a reader to be engage in the 'character development' when you haven't actually seen the character for +2 years or so (orihime, ishida, chad), and not to mention millions of characters that we barely get to know (captain and vice-captain of squads)

Anyway, I feel like I should leave it at that... 'yes' i like Bakuman more than Bleach... But everyone is entitled with their own opinion.. and that's mine.. I'm not going to start a flamewar of bakuman vs bleach..

http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/
for those who's actually interested with the real "jump" ranking, go there... ONEPIECE and NARUTO is doing awesome....
note: Bleach has been ranked 10+ in average for past few weeks

[alphabeta]

Eiji ends crow... :fail after doing it for 350 chapters... :fail after hyping up the whole cancel-a-series-stuff... :fail and on top of that if someone will be able to get first place in the next five weeks he'll keep drawing it... :fail

Haven't read the full translation yet, but from what i've seen this chapter consists of epic -----> :fail

Either way, let's do some math first. We know from both RL WSJ and the one in the Bakuman-verse, that the mangaka's draw 2-3 chapters up ahead, than the one we read in the magazine, which means that in the perfect case (Ashirogi drew 2 chapters and those two are the end of a currently running arc and not the begining/middle of a 10 chapter long arc) they have maximum 3 (and not 5) chapters to fu** Eiji's argument, that noone can beat him. You think they are able to do so all by themselves?

No :pwnge

Not so long ago, *points at the Nanamine arc* we already saw, Ashirogi doing the best they can and at the peak of their abilities they managed to reach "only" 3rd place. How are they suddenly going to pull another dopingstunt and pull out the power to reach 1st place, when they were supposed to be at their peak strength when they reached 3rd? Are they able to do so?

No :pwnge

So, the idea of Ashirogi doing a *RRRRROOOOOOOAAAAAWWWWRRR... goes super sayan 3* is burried. They simply are not able to reach 1st place by themselves. If they could they would've done so in the Nanamine arc. Only options left are, either a Crossover (:hi5 at perroloco), or someone else does it (Nana for example).

[saladesu]

Okay, so this chapter was pretty awesome, and my respect for Eiji somewhat went up a few notches. I am totally for a mangaka being able to end his manga as and when he deems is best for his series, rather than dragging it on unnecessarily, as I have mentioned in many of my posts before. Eiji is sort of gunning for the same thing. The only difference really is that he wants a cool ending where he's #1 and unrivaled for a long time, and he has to be #1 for 10 weeks straight before he considers it a good end. Well, getting #1 is good and all that, but I'd say if he had to drag his story on because he wasn't able to nail all 10 weeks in a row, that's also not a good thing. More power to him, of course, if he can do it.

Of course, like Eiji, I also understand that a magazine is a business, and losing a popular manga is hardly in the manga's best interests, commercially. But that really doesn't mean a mangaka should extend a manga beyond what is needed to tell the story he meant to tell. I honestly think it's a pity when that has to happen, even if I like the manga. For example, if, just because One Piece is as big a hit as it is, Shueisha forced Oda to continue writing One Piece and write about the Strawhats going on a second journey to find some other treasure after they'd already found the One Piece and Luffy was already the pirate king... That would just be bad.

Also, Hiramaru :XD Hilarious how he was hoping so hard Eiji would cancel "BokuTsuu" :rofl

Oh, and I'm so sleepy, I almost forgot to add that I was done with the translation:
Bakuman 135 translation (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/30011)

/me goes to sleep

[TheBlackLotus]

Okay, so this chapter was pretty awesome, and my respect for Eiji somewhat went up a few notches. I am totally for a mangaka being able to end his manga as and when he deems is best for his series, rather than dragging it on unnecessarily, as I have mentioned in many of my posts before. Eiji is sort of gunning for the same thing. The only difference really is that he wants a cool ending where he's #1 and unrivaled for a long time, and he has to be #1 for 10 weeks straight before he considers it a good end. Well, getting #1 is good and all that, but I'd say if he had to drag his story on because he wasn't able to nail all 10 weeks in a row, that's also not a good thing. More power to him, of course, if he can do it.

Of course, like Eiji, I also understand that a magazine is a business, and losing a popular manga is hardly in the manga's best interests, commercially. But that really doesn't mean a mangaka should extend a manga beyond what is needed to tell the story he meant to tell. I honestly think it's a pity when that has to happen, even if I like the manga. For example, if, just because One Piece is as big a hit as it is, Shueisha forced Oda to continue writing One Piece and write about the Strawhats going on a second journey to find some other treasure after they'd already found the One Piece and Luffy was already the pirate king... That would just be bad.

Also, Hiramaru :XD Hilarious how he was hoping so hard Eiji would cancel "BokuTsuu" :rofl

Oh, and I'm so sleepy, I almost forgot to add that I was done with the translation:
Bakuman 135 translation (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/30011)

/me goes to sleep

It's likely with Oda though, Shueisha will know well in advance that he's about to end the series. He's already said it's gone on longer than expected so i'm sure some arcs and plot elements have been added in part from his editor and for the sake of the series. One Piece can literally go for years because all he has to do is come up with a new island and he's got himself another story arc that will last a few months. I'm sure eventually enough will be enough and he'll be ready to end it, and that's when they'll proceed with the final arc(s) of the story on the last island. I'm sure when you get to the level that Oda-sensei, Kubo-sensei, and Kishimoto-sensei are at you can more or less end the story when the time is right to do so. All three of them have their endings planned out and are just taking the steps to get there. I'm sure in the bakuman world Eiji is at a similar place to them and can choose to end the story when he sees fit. To force him to drag it on would be a disservice to him as an author and to his fans.

[Knifeshade]

@saladesu

Shouldn't this line...


18
b1a: You won't be able to beat "CROW", simply because it's at the very height of an arc right now
b1b: I'll throw out all my names and manuscripts. There's no way any one of you here in this room can beat me!

...be:

"You won't be able to beat "CROW", simply because it's at the very height of an arc right now.
How could you people, who left their names and manuscript to come here, possibly beat me!"

Although it's translated from the chinese scans, it does make more sense if you look at Fukuda's reply afterward.

But if I'm wrong...err, well, can somebody explain what Eiji mean by "I'll throw out all my names and manuscripts"? Seriously, I'm confused at that. @_@

EDIT:

Also, this line too:


19
a2: We have another eight... No, seven weeks!!

...should be...

"Our only chance is starting from the 8th...no...7th week!!"

How can they have another 7 weeks, when Eiji's on his 6th 1st, and Fukuda and Ashirogi have to beat Eiji before his 10th 1st.

Granted, yes, I'm translating from the chinese scans, but they do make more sense. =/

[saladesu]

Ah yes, the first one is right, it should be as you said. The word Eiji used can mean both to throw out and to abandon, and I misread the sentence as him wanting to redo (throw out) all the chapters he had already done in order to ensure he would beat everyone in the room :fail The strange things you come up with when translating at 2am. MRI's got the scanlation out already though, but I'll contact them and see if they can release a v2.

The second one though, I believe is still correct as they don't need to beat Eiji before his 10th #1, he said as long as they beat him before he draws the manuscript for the final chapter, he won't quit CROW, so 7-8 weeks sounds about right (including the time before the publishing that Eiji needs to submit the final manuscript by, and the chapters from which they can start drawing from). The Japanese does not suggest that it is the 8th or 7th week (it suggests a number of weeks, rather than the xth week, if you know what I mean)...

[saladesu]

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[Knifeshade]

That's so ambiguous. Haha. Though I know what you're getting at. I was sold on the basis that Eiji's plan is: get 10 consecutive #1 to enable Crow's ending. And then another 10 chapters to wrap it up. We're on our 6th week. So technically there's ~13 weeks left til his final chapter if we're talking number of weeks left.

But with the way mangakas do 3-4 chapters/manuscripts in advance, it makes a bit more sense.

ON A SIDE NOTE. Miura is still the most useless editor hands down. +Natural is slightly against the wall and all he can do is "Hurr at least I still have Seigi no Mikata durrp". At least Kosugi tried saving Nanamine's expired crap like a true editor would rather than zoning out. =_=

[luffyg2]

Their plan to stop Eji from stoping his manga gets on my nerve... I get why they would want to beat him but still.. if the guy wants to end his manga while its good let him do it... its better for him and for the readers who won<t have to cope with their favorite manga doping in quality...instead crow will become one of those legendary manga that everyone talk about

[sabret00the]

So apparently, no one has been trying to get the top rank before today's chapter. :sigh:

Although I love that it'll empower Naruto and Bleech fans to think that Kubo and Kishi would've ended their mangas ages ago if they were allowed.

[Googlez_kun]

*sigh*
What a letdown.I was rather hyped at the beginning of this chapter.I was even hyped when i found out that Eiji wants to cancel Crow,his own manga.I even respect his wish to end the manga when he wants to and it was interesting to know that Kishimoto for example can't end his manga when he wants to.But when they were all like 'Yay,we'll totally kick you from the number one spot' i was heavily dissapointed.I was waiting for Eiji to say something like 'you guys simply suck.Your series don't have the potential to beat Crow!',which is a fact nobody can deny.But then he made a challenge out of it.........I agree with Alpha,how do they want to reach the number one spot if they didn't manage to do so before?They are fired up now,but it's not like they weren't before.The only one who has a chance to beat him is Ashirogi Muto anyway.
For a second i thought that Eiji would start a new series and Ashirogi would actually end PCP as well,so that they would fight him with their new and revolutionary Shonen,which would've been the better way for me...

[Quaro1987]

I honestly believe this is another case of the mangakas trying to say what they think about the manga world, but always stopping one step before they cross the line of actually fully supporting what they believe, and backtracking a bit so that the editors don't get mad with them.

OF COURSE I'd prefer my favorite manga to end when the mangaka wants it, and not for it to drag on just so we can get more lower quality stories. (Though I still cry a little bit inside, when I think that Shohoku never became national champions...I miss you Slamdunk).

Honestly the other mangakas acted very obnoxiously in this chapter. It was ok to do it with Tanto, but no with Crow? WHY? Just so Jump can justify pushing mangakas to make more stories for their popular manga, even if it drags the quality down, and it doesn't make sense (story wise)?


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[Shinsatsu]

*sigh*
What a letdown.I was rather hyped at the beginning of this chapter.I was even hyped when i found out that Eiji wants to cancel Crow,his own manga.I even respect his wish to end the manga when he wants to and it was interesting to know that Kishimoto for example can't end his manga when he wants to.But when they were all like 'Yay,we'll totally kick you from the number one spot' i was heavily dissapointed.I was waiting for Eiji to say something like 'you guys simply suck.Your series don't have the potential to beat Crow!',which is a fact nobody can deny.But then he made a challenge out of it.........I agree with Alpha,how do they want to reach the number one spot if they didn't manage to do so before?They are fired up now,but it's not like they weren't before.The only one who has a chance to beat him is Ashirogi Muto anyway.
For a second i thought that Eiji would start a new series and Ashirogi would actually end PCP as well,so that they would fight him with their new and revolutionary Shonen,which would've been the better way for me...
Same here. None of the challengers have the potential to beat Eiji in a head-on challenge like this (well maybe A.Muto has a 5% chance). I would be really disappointed if it happens...

Nice chapter overall. Crow being Niizuma's choice was expected. Hiramaru was hilarious as always and the Fukuda team are always sticking their noses in each others business.

[javimgol]

The best chapter of a manga series that I have read since...well, maybe the 4 weeks break of One Piece.
ABSOLUTELY AMAZING

[sir_arles]

Nice chapter, didn't see this one coming =P Eiji's on top of his game, like always.

[natli]

What I think about this chapter has already been said. Only Hiramaru saved it from being a complete fail (go Hiramaru!)

Another 'firing up' of rivarly between Ashirogi and Eiji. We've been through this 10 times ;.; And I agree with Quaro, because the authors are winking at the readers saying: "You know what this is about right?" But they never say what they mean for fear of losing their jobs :D Hey, it's not like I don't understand that, they make a living out of this. But this plot is boring, and they could make it better, so I'm disappointed.

Lastly, one word about realism. Flame me if I'm wrong but I think even DRAGON BALL didn't last +10 weeks on 1st place, much less One Piece. And Bakuman is so very realistic that such details bother me. And as I said week ago, how could Eiji beat Oda-sensei for 10 weeks without breaking a sweat?! Blasphemy!

[sekida]

Just like what I predicted! (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/69870-Bakuman-131-Discussion-132-Prediction?p=2447018&viewfull=1#post2447018) Eiji knows that it's troublesome to end a popular manga.


For a second i thought that Eiji would start a new series and Ashirogi would actually end PCP as well,so that they would fight him with their new and revolutionary Shonen,which would've been the better way for me... I thought of that as well in my prediction but PCP regain it's popularity so they can't end PCP just because they want to fight Eiji with a new manga too. Maybe they'll brought up a condition to EiC to let them make a second series or maybe a lighter condition to end PCP (probably no, that will totally hurt WSJ sales). What we knew is that Saiko got much faster at drawing because of the previous arc.

[perroloco]

What I think about this chapter has already been said. Only Hiramaru saved it from being a complete fail (go Hiramaru!)

Another 'firing up' of rivarly between Ashirogi and Eiji. We've been through this 10 times ;.; And I agree with Quaro, because the authors are winking at the readers saying: "You know what this is about right?" But they never say what they mean for fear of losing their jobs :D Hey, it's not like I don't understand that, they make a living out of this. But this plot is boring, and they could make it better, so I'm disappointed.

Lastly, one word about realism. Flame me if I'm wrong but I think even DRAGON BALL didn't last +10 weeks on 1st place, much less One Piece. And Bakuman is so very realistic that such details bother me. And as I said week ago, how could Eiji beat Oda-sensei for 10 weeks without breaking a sweat?! Blasphemy!

DRAGON BALL didn't last 10 weeks in 1st place, the best it had was about 5 weeks straight in 1st, and I am being generous, I didn't recheck but thats my memory but Dr. Slump was 7 weeks in 1st place though (http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~starman/1981/1981jump.htm) (The hype was because of its anime starting, from 1981, issue 29 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kami_sama_explorer/4905664377/in/photostream)-35, issue 36 was on 4th :( then issue 37 it got back to 1st for other 5 weeks straight!) one thing I am not sure is.. Maybe issue 36 (The issue in which Dr. Slump was on 3rd) Dr. Slump had a color page?? I mean, it was just weird that it gets ranked 1st 7 straight weeks, then one odd week it gets 4th place, then other 5 straight weeks 1st?

ONE PIECE, since its beginning has been pretty much 1st, Just looking at the TOCs of 1998 (http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~starman/) it had 15 STRAIGHT 1st places (Summing color pages and 2nd places, like we count the TOCs here) from 1998 Issue 22-23 to 37-38, Issue 39 it drops to 3rd place (I assume this might be the end of Arlong Arc something like that??) then from issue 40 to issue 51 1st place (12 weeks straight)

In 1999 ONE PIECE was 7 weeks 1st place, then jump to 3rd, 7 weeks 1st place, then 3rd again.. It was kinda like a pattern LOL, then like 4th straight 1st places, 3rd place and finally around the last issues of 1999 it got 10 straight 1st places, then it kinda slumped (Like 3rd places and one 5th place)

In 2000 it had 10 straight weeks as 1st place, the TOC had more competition, while Ruroken had ended other series had emerged to make JUMP stand-up again from its post-Dragon Ball crisis, series like Hunter X Hunter, Shaman King and Yu-Gi-Oh! were established, Hoshin Engi about to end was a cult-hit as Jojo and the newbies Prince of Tennis, Bobobo, Black Cat, Hikaru No Go and a manga about ninjas named NARUTO were fighting to rank in the TOCs.

Sadly there aren't more TOCs on biwa.starmen, and I have heard that ONE PIECE did fail on ranks on Skypiea, understandable since it kinda was after a big arc and it took a while to set-up.

So its not like 10 weeks straight being 1st hasn't been done. In fact it SHOULD be expected of the most popular manga in JUMP, specially in this period of time when the TOC is dominated by the most popular mangas, unlike say in the 70s or 80s when some mangas didn't had animes.

[saladesu]

Lastly, one word about realism. Flame me if I'm wrong but I think even DRAGON BALL didn't last +10 weeks on 1st place, much less One Piece. And Bakuman is so very realistic that such details bother me. And as I said week ago, how could Eiji beat Oda-sensei for 10 weeks without breaking a sweat?! Blasphemy!

Not going to flame, obviously :p But respectfully, I do think Dragon Ball and One Piece have managed that feat of staying at #1 for 10+ weeks running. It's hard to find actual statistics since Shueisha doesn't actually release the rankings themselves and the TOC for individual series are inevitably interrupted when the series goes on break or has a color page, and if there is another series with a color page placed ahead of it, you can't be sure if it's only because of the color page or if that series really did beat it. I wouldn't be surprised if either series had managed to stay at #1 for 10 weeks or more running. Well, Dragon Ball and One Piece are like legends, and CROW is supposed to be practically a legend as well. I guess it's not impossible that CROW managed it, though a bit unrealistic that it was, almost out of the blue, able to overtake the #1 series (whatever it is) and actually hold on to the top spot after that for as long as it did/has been.

Bakuman is realistic, but it exaggerates things too. Series' rankings hardly fluctuating from week to week is definitely something that doesn't hold true in the real world.


Same here. None of the challengers have the potential to beat Eiji in a head-on challenge like this (well maybe A.Muto has a 5% chance). I would be really disappointed if it happens...

Especially since Eiji's manga is at its peak, it'll definitely be very difficult. Maybe, for once, things won't go as planned and really, no-one beats Eiji. But this is shounen manga, the chances are slim :s

[perroloco]

saladesu maybe I was posting my last post as you were writting this but there is the answer to the question, no, Dragon Ball didn't had 1st place 10 weeks in a row, ONE PIECE did have 15th 1st places in a row.
That is, according to the TOCs provided in the starmen JUMP website. I just checked it, I used the normal way we do things here, 1st place is a color page, 2nd place would be the actual 1st place, since ONE PIECE had a combination of 1st place with color page and 1st place in .. 2nd place (LOL) for 15 straight weeks then.. Yeah, ONE PIECE has done that, actually more than one time.

[tobeulp]

I think the 10 week straight isn't that hard for Eiji knowing that other four or five of his competitors are from team Fukuda.. It isn't like there is still One Piece, Naruto, Bleach... Unless the previous number 1 holder is One Piece then this is BS...
About the Dragonball thing I am really curious what if Dragonball, Yu Yu Hakusho, Slam Dunk, HxH, Death Note etc is running now in Jump together with One Piece... And all of them are in its best Arc like One Piece having the Marine Ford arc, HxH is with the Spider Arc etc... I guess it will be hard to vote...

[perroloco]

Well, SLAM DUNK/Death Note would probably win, the sort of readers that vote for Dragon Ball, Yu Yu Hakusho, Hunter X Hunter, ONE PIECE are likely the same base (People that like battle manga) while SLAM DUNK and Death Note have different bases, sure some people that like battle manga might like one of these 2 mangas but they might be few.
All that is based on how Bakuman has explained the TOC ranks work, remember how peole either voted for Ashirogi or Nanamine since they were both in the same genre? Well, the same would happen if Dragon Ball, Yu Yu Hakusho, Hunter X Hunter, ONE PIECE (And Naruto and BLEACH) all were on their best arcs, voters would have to pick, dividing votes while people that like Spokon would vote for Slam Dunk, and maybe even people that don't.

[Note]

If Eiji is beaten by team Fukuda I will not be happy (that would be a dragonball power up unless there's a cool twist). I think if Eiji completely obliterated them, it would provide a more interesting story.

[natli]

@perroloco

Woah, that's impressive research. I learned something new ;)

Considering all that, it's even less probable that Eiji is able to stay first, with One Piece as competition. I'm not a rabid Oda fANgirL but sometimes it seems like there is only team Fukuda in Bakuman's world. Where's Bleach, where's Naruto? Manga world without the Holy Trinity seems incomplete, and Bakuman is about the manga world.

[SSJAIden]

Is anyone else disappointed with the layout of the chapter? After last weeks cliffhanger I was really hoping to see 4-5 pages of Eiji and the EIC talking, I wanted to see Eiji explain his rationale and see the EIC come to terms with Eiji's feelings and grant him the right to cancel the manga. J

[SHINOBI-03]

I just read the chapter, and allow me to type this... I... did not see this coming...!! Of everything to choose from, he wanted to end his own series?! Although, from a mangaka stand point, I totally understand where he's going.

When you have a story in your mind, you get everything in its proper place, including the ending. But when you are forced to continue it beyond what you've planned, you get a hard time knowing where do you want to go from there, or how to make it to the ending you'v had planned.

And that's the problem with the JUMP, and maybe other magazines. You are not allowed to end your series even if you wanted to. Therefore, we end up with multiple titles that never ends. And if they got an anime, the chances for ending gets even lower. And you know why?! Profits. Well, it's a business after all... but I think it's kinda wrong to force someone to work endlessly against his will. It's just like what Hiramaru suffers. He wants to enjoy his life and get a break, but working on his manga endlessly takes all that joy away from him.

I'm not a pro. Making manga is not my job. I do it because I want to. But, I hate it at the same time. I want to enjoy all the things around me and not worry on my series, but my devotion takes all that away from me. Being a mangaka (Professional or fan) is not a cool thing to do. Believe me. If you value your youth, don't be a mangaka unless you're really really serious about it.

[Reclaimer]

I think the 10 week straight isn't that hard for Eiji knowing that other four or five of his competitors are from team Fukuda.. It isn't like there is still One Piece, Naruto, Bleach... Unless the previous number 1 holder is One Piece then this is BS...
About the Dragonball thing I am really curious what if Dragonball, Yu Yu Hakusho, Slam Dunk, HxH, Death Note etc is running now in Jump together with One Piece... And all of them are in its best Arc like One Piece having the Marine Ford arc, HxH is with the Spider Arc etc... I guess it will be hard to vote...
Yu Yu Hakusho wasn't good as a manga (the arcs are Bakuman size for a fight manga. The anime was significantly better if only to extend things)
Death Note had one good arc (and realistically, I don't think the individual chapters were that epic), and it was probably too early in a series for it to compare to something as long running as your hypothetical One Piece.
I haven't read Dragonball, Slam Dunk, or HXH.

Bringing this back to the topic at hand, if Crow is in the middle of an arc as epic as the Marine Ford arc in One Piece (each chapter was somehow better than the last), there is absolutely no way an arc written on short notice could stand up to that. How many chapters was the set-up for that? Impel Down + Foreshadowing/Hyping of it FOREVER.

[saladesu]

saladesu maybe I was posting my last post as you were writting this but there is the answer to the question, no, Dragon Ball didn't had 1st place 10 weeks in a row, ONE PIECE did have 15th 1st places in a row.

No, I didn't see that post at all until I revisited this thread and saw this post of yours :omg I was indeed typing my post at the same time as you, and since my post went to the new page, I totally didn't see your post on the previous page :sweat Thanks for the info, it was enlightening :nod


Considering all that, it's even less probable that Eiji is able to stay first, with One Piece as competition. I'm not a rabid Oda fANgirL but sometimes it seems like there is only team Fukuda in Bakuman's world. Where's Bleach, where's Naruto? Manga world without the Holy Trinity seems incomplete, and Bakuman is about the manga world.

We don't even know if his competition is One Piece, though :XD We know One Piece, Naruto and Bleach exist in the Bakuman verse, as they have been referenced to before, but we still don't know if they are ongoing, if they have ended, what ranks they are if they still are running etc. It's the same with a lot of other series like Enigma. So you're definitely right in saying only Team Fukuda and the other randoms like Nanamine seem to exist in Bakuman's world. It has to be that way though, as otherwise there's just not enough space :XD Team Fukuda already takes up nearly half the series in Jump as it is, and Ohba probably wouldn't be allowed to explicitly say that any series in Bakuman beat a real-life series, anyway.


If Eiji is beaten by team Fukuda I will not be happy (that would be a dragonball power up unless there's a cool twist). I think if Eiji completely obliterated them, it would provide a more interesting story.

It would definitely be more realistic if Eiji obliterated them, but this is shounen manga so I'm still expecting Eiji to be somehow beaten -_-; I hope there is a cool and believable twist to explain why Ashirogi or whoever was able to defeat Eiji.


Bringing this back to the topic at hand, if Crow is in the middle of an arc as epic as the Marine Ford arc in One Piece (each chapter was somehow better than the last), there is absolutely no way an arc written on short notice could stand up to that. How many chapters was the set-up for that? Impel Down + Foreshadowing/Hyping of it FOREVER.

The nature of PCP seems to be always short arcs which aren't directly related to each other... If CROW is anything like One Piece (lots of foreshadowing and hyping from tons of chapters beforehand, and with arcs that actually link to each other in some way), I really don't see how they will be able to beat CROW with one of their out-of-the-blue 3/4 chapter arcs. Even if it's a longer arc which they usually don't write, I don't see it being able to beat CROW either.

I wonder if Perroloco or someone else could find the rankings for One Piece during the Marine Ford arc :amuse It would be interesting to know if it ever was beaten by another series during the unfolding of such an epic arc, and if so, what series and under what circumstances.

[sakura_fai]

I love how the characters are all rebelling against Shounen Jump's working methods and pointing out its flaws. x'3 I'm surprised SJ allowed Obata and Ohba to do this, but I suppose it's not the company should hide it.

However like saladesu said, the current SJ mangas might have ended or not run at the same time as Team Fukuda's series. Whenever they post the rankings, there's no sign of Bleach, One Piece, Naruto, or any other current running SJ titles. Plus, Bakuman's date hasn't be specified, so the Bakuman verse might not exist at the same time as us right now. In Death Note, the series took place in future years (2000's) while Obata and Ohba was writing it in the 1900's.



The nature of PCP seems to be always short arcs which aren't directly related to each other... If CROW is anything like One Piece (lots of foreshadowing and hyping from tons of chapters beforehand, and with arcs that actually link to each other in some way), I really don't see how they will be able to beat CROW with one of their out-of-the-blue 3/4 chapter arcs. Even if it's a longer arc which they usually don't write, I don't see it being able to beat CROW either.


However, Mashiro has mentioned before that mangas often jump genres, from gag to battle. I doubt PCP will become a battle manga, but it might change or shift from just a current mystery to an arc to....let's say a character's past or furthers the plot line (Like in Detective Conan and the B.O. cases), or maybe introduce a serious/interesting plot line to follow (besides a group of kids committing crimes). Besides, it's the whole Team Fukuda, so the winners could be anyone....although any of their mangas beating the number one battle manga is highly unlikely, unless they crossover two or more of their series together to create an awesome special or chapter!! They only have to make 1st place ONCE to make Eiji start over, you never know, maybe one of the mangakas could take 1st for one week.

[Reclaimer]

Plus, Bakuman's date hasn't be specified
It actually has. I don't remember the last time, but it was something like 4-5 years in the future.

[Reginaemiaumiau]

Hi! This is my first post but i've read this topic since a lot of months ago. Please to meet you. You are the best manga comunity. i was readind the latest post and suddenly i thought somenthing about the elipsis of Eiji conversation whit EIC. May be that they talked about something wich dont appear in this chapter. Oba is hiding a secret would be revelated in next chapters. The conversation betweej Fukuda team and Eiji could be a trick... or i am crazy... who knows? haha
Very interesting the TOC discusion. I'm learning so much ( i thing bakuman happen about 2016.. team kishimoto is dead)

[sekida]

May be that they talked about something wich dont appear in this chapter. Oba is hiding a secret would be revelated in next chapters.
http://grab.by/cBhe

http://grab.by/cBhf

[saladesu]

However, Mashiro has mentioned before that mangas often jump genres, from gag to battle. I doubt PCP will become a battle manga, but it might change or shift from just a current mystery to an arc to....let's say a character's past or furthers the plot line (Like in Detective Conan and the B.O. cases), or maybe introduce a serious/interesting plot line to follow (besides a group of kids committing crimes). Besides, it's the whole Team Fukuda, so the winners could be anyone....although any of their mangas beating the number one battle manga is highly unlikely, unless they crossover two or more of their series together to create an awesome special or chapter!! They only have to make 1st place ONCE to make Eiji start over, you never know, maybe one of the mangakas could take 1st for one week.

Is there actually a coherent plot line in PCP? :sweat My impression of it was that it was just short arcs wherein in each arc they pull off a certain perfect crime. It's not like they have an actual goal to work towards, so there's nothing that can really "further the plot line" (haven't read Conan so not too sure about the comparison). Even if there was a serious or interesting new plot line, it's hard to imagine something like that beating a top manga that it has never beaten (except with the first chapter way back when) and when that top manga is in tip-top shape.

Of course, you're right that it could be anyone defeating Eiji... But to defeat Eiji when he's at the top of his game, they would need something really, really brilliant. Let's see what Ohba comes up with for that. Hope it's not something lame. Anyway, I really wouldn't mind if Team Fukuda failed to best Eiji (UNLESS something silly happens like Eiji decides to carry on CROW despite not being beaten...).


It actually has. I don't remember the last time, but it was something like 4-5 years in the future.

The timeline for Bakuman started in 2008, when the series began. Time in Bakuman is accelerated though, so while 2-3 years have passed in our time, 8 years have passed in the Bakuman world. When Eiji got his fourth number one, it was April 22, Friday (ref chapter 134). Looking at a calendar, that's 2016 :) That means it's sometime in May 2016 right now in the Bakuman world.


http://grab.by/cBhe

http://grab.by/cBhf

He said the "I'll have a new series eventually" thing as a response to team Fukuda asking if he had something in mind for after he was done with CROW, so I don't think he has any agreement or anything with the EIC that he will have a new series in Jump after CROW ends. If he manages to come up with a good idea that the editors think can fly, then he'll get a serialization again. If not, I don't think they'll serialize him just because he was once one of their most popular authors (though they might be a little more lenient... But look at Watsuki Nobuhiro; even his next series Gun Blaze West got canceled despite his fame post-Rurouni Kenshin).

[perroloco]

I wonder if Perroloco or someone else could find the rankings for One Piece during the Marine Ford arc :amuse It would be interesting to know if it ever was beaten by another series during the unfolding of such an epic arc, and if so, what series and under what circumstances.


THE FOLLOWING POST HAS SOME SPOILERS OF ONE PIECE.. NOTHING BIG, AND MORE LIKELY THAN NOT YOU WON'T UNDERSTAND THEM IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT ANYWAY, I HAVE BEEN VERY VAGUE WITH HOW I WORD THE POST SO NOT TO SPOIL PEOPLE ANYWAY..

I remember quite well ONE PIECE ranked 15th once during marineford.. I am gonna re-check, IIRC it was because Oda's manuscript was late and either that was WSJ way of punishing him or they added it last minute.. Either way, Oda, understand that while you have the best selling manga ever YOU ARE NOT TOGASHI, THERE IS JUST ONE SPOT FOR A LAZY MANGAKA IN JUMP!
EDIT: It was ranked on 10th, not 15th. It was Issue 19, 2009. 06/04/09 ONE PIECE Chapter 538.. So if Oda did something to piss off fans A LOT, then it was on Chapter 530!! Wait a second! Isn't that the chapter where Bon Clay re-appears!! I seriously doubt that chapter could have pissed off fans so that ONE PIECE went from rank 1 to 9.. So the theory of Oda turning its manuscript late remains!

Also you gotta keep in mind that it wasn't only MarineFord arc.. There were a lot of things going on ONE PIECE related, ONE PIECE 10th anniversary had been like a year or 2 prior to that, then the whole STRONG WORLD hype (Though the marineford chapters were 15 pages long because of that) and also the Dream 9 (I Think?) anime block of ONE PIECE and Dragon Ball it had lot of promotion.

Anyway I am gonna check and I am fairly sure it was at least beaten by NARUTO some times, specially in the time when the arc was setting up (When they where in Impel Down)
Yay for Gintama it beat ONE PIECE on 2009-31, sadly Naruto had the lead CP for that so technically Gintama didn't beat Naruto :( Its weird how I am not that big of a fan of Gintama and I love ONE PIECE but its always good to see a underdog win from time to time LOL.
It was too beaten by BLEACH, October 6th 2009, Issue 46.. As I write this I am fairly confident that at least BLEACH will beat ONE PIECE at least one more time, because of Aizen :) Let's see how it turns..
Issue 53 2009 had two chapters of ONE PIECE, Strong World chapter 0 *Ranked 1st with CP* and the normal ONE PIECE chapter which was ranked 10th.
Beaten by Beelzebub in Issue 18, 2010
Its interesting to note that from issue 25 to 34 ONE PIECE ranked 1st.. Which is pretty weird considering that Naruto, BLEACH and some other manga stole it every 2-3 weeks from ONE PIECE, anyway checking the chapters that fit those dates those are.. Issue 25 had chapter 585 on it BUT if we base the votes on the 8 week theory then the votes correspond to chapter 578 which as I predicted in my head while writting this was either the chapter were Law or Shanks appear. So it begins with Law appearing and ends with issue 588 then it goes down to rank 5th (Getting beaten by Skeat Dance Lead Color, Toriko CP, Naruto and Nurarihyon no Mago) btw its not a coincidence that the votes went down in chapter 588 is where Sabo "dies" and apparently readers didn´t quite like that, I mean its the first real TOC fall ONE PIECE had in a good time, remember it was 10th and 11th but that was because Oda wasn´t on time and because there were 2 chapters of ONE PIECE in the same issue!

Anyway in a nutshell ONE PIECE was beaten a good amount of times during MarineFord.

keeping it under spoiler tag just in case :)

[sekida]

He said the "I'll have a new series eventually" thing as a response to team Fukuda

My opinion about the second image I posted was like Ohba foreshadowing AM vs Eiji battling in a new series ^^.

[Reginaemiaumiau]

http://grab.by/cBhe

http://grab.by/cBhf

Yes. ia a reference but dont prove nything. where is the conversation? im waiting for a new surprise soon. there is a point between Eiji and EIC that we'll never known. it can be used for a change of argument in the future. sorry. my english is bad. i cant explainit better. in ky mind have more sense

[sekida]

Yes. ia a reference but dont prove nything. where is the conversation? im waiting for a new surprise soon
That panel shows Editor in Chief foresees why Eiji wants to end his manga. He saw what Eiji's trying to pull and it's probably a good thing because he kinda agreed to it. Yeah I agree, there's something in their conversation that might get revealed later on. But I doubt that this current arc 'stop-eiji-from-cancelling-crow' was he after though.

Woah, I've come up a prediction which I think it's really cool and plausible. Instead of Ashirogi Muto trying to beat Crow with PCP, they will make a ONE SHOT of their "morally ambigous yet typical battle manga" then published it on Jump on the very last week of Eiji's condition-for-not-ending-crow.

Expanding my prediction.. :D
Eiji's Crow and Ashirogi Muto's one shot might get tied or really really close in favor of Eiji.
Eiji didn't get beaten and continues to end crow.
Because Ashirogi Muto did a good job with that one-shot,
Jump allowed them to end PCP as well to make that one-shot as a series.
Ashirogi Muto vs Eiji on a new manga!

but wait, I kinda doubt.. that feels we're kinda near to finalle and yet Nakai is still far from being super mangaka. :p

[Reginaemiaumiau]

Totally agree with you.
The oneshot prediction is very interesting. Beside that.. EIC dont like Crow's finish and he'll give the green light to A. Muto. Allthough for this resolution could pass a few chapters. The next chapter will be a succesion of rankings. Fukuda's team panic and maybe a few pages with Hattori, Yoshida, etc. talking about the situation.
About the end of Bakuman... it dosent seem like ending near. There are a lot of open secundary histories. For example... Nanamine return, Nakai's progresion, Hiramaru relationship xD, (ey.. what happen with Azuki? I allways thought she is the worst character but, why Oba dont use her to create a funny histories about saijuu war? haha)

[saladesu]

My opinion about the second image I posted was like Ohba foreshadowing AM vs Eiji battling in a new series ^^.

Ah, okay. I thought you were trying to say that Eiji talking about his eventual new series was related to something in the convo between Eiji and the EIC.

Type an explanation along with the image next time :XD


Woah, I've come up a prediction which I think it's really cool and plausible. Instead of Ashirogi Muto trying to beat Crow with PCP, they will make a ONE SHOT of their "morally ambigous yet typical battle manga" then published it on Jump on the very last week of Eiji's condition-for-not-ending-crow.

Expanding my prediction.. :D
Eiji's Crow and Ashirogi Muto's one shot might get tied or really really close in favor of Eiji.
Eiji didn't get beaten and continues to end crow.
Because Ashirogi Muto did a good job with that one-shot,
Jump allowed them to end PCP as well to make that one-shot as a series.
Ashirogi Muto vs Eiji on a new manga!

but wait, I kinda doubt.. that feels we're kinda near to finalle and yet Nakai is still far from being super mangaka. :p

Interesting theory, and really quite plausible and I could definitely see Ohba using this. Only thing that bothers me about it is that using that one-shot to defeat Eiji feels kinda like a cheap trick of sorts :/ Can't beat Eiji with PCP, so they use something else.

When you say near to the finale though, I have to disagree as if they start a new series, there'll probably a good number of arcs building up to before the series even gets an anime. Unless, of course, there is a big timeskip of nearly 2 years...

[MRachu]

it was vital that the reunion wasnt seen, it may end crow or something new happens (like somebody stoling his number 1 and getting piss of with it )
the one shot theory its good the main problem is that they wont cancel a series just because they did good on a one shot
heres my theory
1.-PCP will be shut down ,not from eiji but from the bank robbers(remember hattori said
that the staff had fear for PCP to responding to them
2.-Somebody will stole eiji number 1 spot making eiji very angry
then being no 1 for 10 weeks instead of ending crow he will end something else like road racer giri or toriko i dont know
3.-Eiji because is a crazy mofo and his just bored with crow ,he then will make crow really bad and descend on the chart or just not doing it(its not probable because that would be legal problems from Yueisha ja)
4.-the final battle will ensure with ahirogi muto,eiji,fukuda,super mangaka nakai,even nanamine all with new mangas

well thats my crazy prediction probably wont happen but what i love about bakuman is that you never know what will happen

5.-when they get the anime in year 2023 azuki will be mmarried to another guy saying she forget the promise ,takagi will have 6 children
nakai would marry aoki and Hiramaru will be still working on a super powered panda manga ja

[sekida]

the one shot theory its good the main problem is that they wont cancel a series just because they did good on a one shot

They will especially if that one shot has potential of getting an anime.

[SK-Hao]

Beating crow with PCP seems more likely than beating it with a brand new one-shot battle manga. Plus battle manags arn't really Ashirogi Muto's style. I'm thinking Fukuda's might beat him with Giri racer.

[sekida]

Plus battle manags arn't really Ashirogi Muto's style.
I think you missed this part.. (chapter 115, page 4)

http://grab.by/cBlG

[MRachu]

I think you missed this part.. (chapter 115, page 4)

http://grab.by/cBlG

I been thinking in that stuff about morally ambiguise and at the begining i tought "thats original" but then think it better and i looks like every manga that ashirogi muto has come up to is like that
two earths, killing your own version(to get the girl)
kane tochie ,deceiving people to gain money (to get the girl im not that sure on this one)
trap,fooling criminals to incriminate them(to get the girl)
tanto actually didnt have anything like that i think thats why they ended hating it
pcp perfect crimes

with nanamine in the picture and with his sistem ,he raise the bar on the moral ambiguity
having death note as the limit i think they will come up with something actually not that ambiguise more like interesting.
using that train of thought im thinking something like a cameleon
i remember i saw a series were a guy could impersonete any type of profession
and with that he actually help all the people he met trying to find out why he had those abilities.(just an idea)

[shinjiru777]

I think, that Eji and Fukuda [or only Eji] want force Mashiro to ended PCP...blah blah blah in that case they will have begin a new series soon... I think bakuman is probably slow burned out lol I wish, Ohba will give them chance for anime in next 5chapters I really want something new than ranking/manga battle/'dramatic twist's' ^^" Please... :(

[Reginaemiaumiau]

I think, that Eji and Fukuda [or only Eji] want force Mashiro to ended PCP...blah blah blah in that case they will have begin a new series soon... I think bakuman is probably slow burned out lol I wish, Ohba will give them chance for anime in next 5chapters I really want something new than ranking/manga battle/'dramatic twist's' ^^" Please... :(

This is Bakuman... if dont like you you must stop to read it...(joke) Is true that the serie is turning always the. same. for this reason i hope the anime chance. Maybe when anime was started Bakuman tourn: audience/anime batle/love drama between Mashiro and Azuki... etc.
(Could any of you answer a question? i am i litle noob. perhaps is somethong all of you know but... why another mangas like Naruto are back in monday? T_T)

[Reclaimer]

two earths, killing your own version(to get the girl)
kane tochie ,deceiving people to gain money (to get the girl im not that sure on this one)
trap,fooling criminals to incriminate them(to get the girl)
Yeah, I don't think any of those were specifically about "getting the girl".
I don't even think there was a mention of a girl in Two earths. (I know they had a female character in Money, Intelligence and Beauty, but I doubt that it was going to be about getting the girl since this is shonen.)

[perroloco]

You know, in that pic they were totally making a reference to Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (The pose) and it totally fits Ahirogi Muto's style, sure is weirdly macho-men and then all gay-looking (LOL how has Hirohiko Araki's art changed!) but lots of battles had strategies in them. Ashirogi could make a battle manga like that, also its weird how Jojo reminds me soo much of Ashirogi, cult-hit with no anime (OVAs and movies though) and a established fan-base.

[zrozue]

Chinese raw is out. Real interesting chapter.

[dariop]

Chinese raw is out. Real interesting chapter. and the link is??? where

[Knifeshade]

Chinese scans: http://bbs.opbbs.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=30393

I'll translate it after I'm done eating. So. Hungry. And. Cold. :c

EDIT:


Verification: confirmed
Source: http://bbs.opbbs.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=30393

- Mashiro and Takagi discuss about how many weeks left to take out Eiji.

- Eiji tells Yajirou about the challenge with Team Fukuda.

- Fukuda explains a new rival to GIRI, who has an all-star racing team ala Initial D (professional mechanic, expert driving coaches etc)

- Uproar in the editorial department over Eiji ending Crow. Some saying Crow is Eiji's work so he can do whatever. Some saying Crow is also Shueisha's property and to think of the magazine.

- Yoshida makes epic speech. Inspiring all the other editors to work hard at beating Eiji, so he doesn't end Crow.

- Takahama explains a new arc he has in mind.

- Hiramaru envies Eiji, how he can end when he wants to end, asks Yoshida if he could do the same too. "NO. YOUR MANGA IS TEN YEARS TOO EARLY, YOUR SERIES JUST STARTED ANYWAY." xD

- Anyway, we get insight into Yoshida getting serious with Hiramaru now, telling him to get 1st place, change of genre and explaining why, getting Hiramaru to take lessons from Nakai to change his art style, coaxes Hiramaru with Aoki to get 1st place.

- Fukuda shows Yajirou the new undisputed racing rival.

- Ashirogi Muto also comes up with a new character. A morally ambiguous, dark character. Both of them get pretty fired up. I think the name is Sigma...or E, I can't tell from that (ironically, ambiguous) bubble. o_O

- Everybody works hard over the weeks up and we wait to see who comes out on top.



This is a build-up-hype chapter at its purest. And it looks awesome. : D

[akoftroy]

Yoshida=Greatest Editor of all time!

Yoshi: You hate it that much?
Hiramaru: I hate it!! Oh, a new idea!
*Yoshida smirk

Yoshi(on phone): What? Aoki will do ANYTHING for him if Hiramaru gets first place?
Hira: !! I'll do it!

[Knifeshade]

Actually, Hiramaru will get one wish from Aoki if he gets 1st. He wishes she called him by some nickname. Which I have a hard time translating to english. I'll let Saladesu handle this one. =/

[saladesu]

Yoshida is so awesome :rofl And the name Hiramaru wants Aoki to call him is "Kazu-tan" :XD

Here's (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/30086) the translation. I was actually mostly done with it 12 hours ago but the raw provider forgot to provide the color page so I set it as private (though takadanama got njt to hack into it to change that sometime this morning, heh).

Ashirogi's new character's name is "Sigma" or "∑". It's interesting how they incorporated their initial idea for a new manga into their existing one :)

[Knifeshade]

After seeing them all reveal their hands, I'm still in the Eiji won't be beaten camp. None of them seem like interesting changes minus Takahama's similarity to Turnabout 1-4 (from Phoenix Wright), and Ashirogi's new character and how it'll affect the Perfect Crime Party kids.

What I like to see next chapter is more focus on rankings leading up to the finale. Just to up the suspense and all.

[Shinsatsu]

136 is out already :p

[jorped]

Awesome chapter of Bakuman :zomg
Neji's inspired completely and gave them the strength and moral to become better.
I just hope that Eiji is not serious about having to be first in all the weeks so he can end the manga.
That would be crazy , that's too many weeks. Even an epic manga has it's ups and downs and there's always something that will managed to beat it eventually.
Eiji managing to do this would be crazy. I hope that he somehow he made a deal with the editor-chief, in which in order for him to end the manga he will have to be the First in those 10 weeks, but he should also challenge the other mangakas of Jump to try to beat it. So that way everyone is always going to be doing the best they can and after Crow end , Jump will still have other mangas that can mantain Jump's quality and popularity .

[BBB Banana]

Awesome chapter of Bakuman :zomg
Neji's inspired completely and gave them the strength and moral to become better.

Naruto much jorped? :3c

Chapter was awesome Fukuda's new characters look great :zomg
Takahama's case seems interesting too :amuse
Hiranmaru is just epic as alwats :wtf
And ashirogi also have interesting ideas :)

But in the end I think Eiji will prevail at least I wish so cuse I think an author should finish its work when he wants to.
I bet Eiji's new manga will be even more awesome and will fire them up even more :zomg

Even if the don't beat Eiji the spirit they showed these last few chapters was just awesome :amuse

[jorped]

Naruto much jorped? :3c

Chapter was awesome Fukuda's new characters look great :zomg
Takahama's case seems interesting too :amuse
Hiranmaru is just epic as alwats :wtf
And ashirogi also have interesting ideas :)

But in the end I think Eiji will prevail at least I wish so cuse I think an author should finish its work when he wants to.
I bet Eiji's new manga will be even more awesome and will fire them up even more :zomg

Even if the don't beat Eiji the spirit they showed these last few chapters was just awesome :amuse

Why didn't you wait for me to see that message at FF :yelling
Now i won't delete my post and create an new one without that mistake :rant

I don't like to edit post, so this was going to be my option :XD
Nevermind :lmao

I agree with you , Fukuda's new characters looked fecking awesome :zomg

But i am still expecting Ashirogi's to end PCP and start something that can really take the number one spot.
I wonder if they will ever do a mainstream manga? :headscratch

[BBB Banana]

I think they will start their new series arround the same time eiji starts his new one. They failed to beat crow soe the true test will be beating eijie's new series.

[jorped]

I think they will start their new series arround the same time eiji starts his new one. They failed to beat crow soe the true test will be beating eijie's new series.

And you think they will stick with non-mainstream mangas ?
And when the hell are we going to see Azuki ? :yelling

I don't even remember the last time we saw her :oh
Her appearance always give "fresh air" to the manga and it would be cool to see a new development in her relationship with Mashiro :woo

Do you guys think, that for some reason she might end dating someone else ? :worrybunny

[BBB Banana]

I think this idea for their new villain will work very welll they will probably get pretty close to eiji so i think they will keep it in mind for their new series :amuse

I agree it's weird that saikou dind't even texted Azuki about the bet usually he tells her every detail :o

[Shinsatsu]

If those were real manga titles, I think Fukuda's work would be my favorite.
I don't want Niizuma to lose this fight.
I think the mangaka is trying to show the readers how things work in Jump and that made him talk about the fact that the most popular titles get stretched and dragged on for so long until nothing is expected from them anymore. The ideal end of this arc is that Niizuma really gets to end his manga. Lay low for a while and then re appear with something even more impressive.

[BBB Banana]

I agree cuse I don't wanna see crow being dragged and cancelled that's just lame Nizuma needs to win.

[tobeulp]

Chapter was awesome I would love to see Crows arc because I think most of team Fukuda's latest arc are great so if Crow will win I would love to see a glimpse of Crow... Also Hiramaru is still as epic as before the art certainly will make you laugh if you reading it...

If I would base it on recent manga's I would say Crow is like FMA certainly if FMA is just on Jump its ending arc will probably beat Marine ford arc and I think going against an ending arc of an awesome manga like crow will be hard to compete against... Just think about Naruto's ending arc, Bleach ending arc, One Piece ending arc... I think those 3 ending arc will certainly be #1 on their ending arc..

[saladesu]

Hmm, maybe it's because I don't really care for racing, but I don't really see that much appeal in Fukuda's new arc (if you call it that). I quite like Takahama's and Ashirogi's methods. Art alone won't get Hiramaru very far, imo, though that could be just the first step in Yoshida's awesome plan to make him number one.

I agree with Shinsatsu that it isn't necessary for CROW to be beaten, I'd rather he isn't actually. If he does end up lying low and returning with something even more impressive, I'd worry that it would just make Bakuman go on and on forever in a repetitive manner when they realize they can't even beat Eiji's new series.

[kdowns]

Chapter was great as usual, but I think the end result of this battle will come out with Eiji on top. Most of the series are trying many ideas to get their votes in the end, but I am thinking the plan would backfire on them if they are all coming out with new Characters/Art/Plot Devices in the same issue? But if Eiji does get rooted from the top, it probably will be Ashirogi as it was foreshadowed in the chapter... But I will find it lol worthy if Takahama is the one he defeats Eiji.

[Magnus]

I just love how Saiko gets ideas Shuujin would never think of ; and that's not the first time it happens. Though I doubt PCP's new arc will be good enough to beat Crow at its highest climax. As for the rest of Team Fukuda, I'm pretty sure they'll all fail to defeat Eiji, and Aoki is the first one to realise it.
And what if Iwase suddenly joins the fray and comes up with impressive chapters of N+ ? If she ever finds out how Eiji is feeling towards her work, it'd blow up her pride and that would possibly psyche her up to make her story better and even try to beat her own artist. It would be a nice twist :D

[sakura_fai]

Since everyone got so competitive in beating Eiji, all the mangas improved (I kinda wish I had that SJ issue 26, it seems like an interesting issue), which means team fukuda's mangas just reached a new level. Improvement in general for all the authors, but I think Eiji will win. Just because Bakuman can't be perfect all the time, and to show how much progress the mangas made just from the competition and extra motivation. Plus, it would be better if Eiji wins because no one wants a boring manga that drags on and on, fans want a manga that's exciting. and if an author's going to make it exciting, but end it soon, then they should go for it! The editors say Crow has a lot of potential, but once Eiji reaches "full potential", what then? Does the story drop from there? Once it reaches its peak, all is left is for it to fall.

And like kdowns said: the other series are cramming so many ideas into their mangas all at the same time, the readers will notice and the rankings might drop as well. An annoying (to me) point of popular shounen mangas is that the character list almost always exceeds 40+ main or recurring characters (Bleach or Naruto:P) With too many new characters at the same time, the readers might confuse one another.

But since it is Bakuman, Ashirogi Muto will probably win...but the authors are the creators of death note, so who knows? maybe a random plot twist? XD Like a tie for first?

[Shinsatsu]

I agree with Shinsatsu that it isn't necessary for CROW to be beaten, I'd rather he isn't actually. If he does end up lying low and returning with something even more impressive, I'd worry that it would just make Bakuman go on and on forever in a repetitive manner when they realize they can't even beat Eiji's new series.
True. But the reason why I want Eiji to come with a better story after crow, is because We know that Ashirogi Muto are still planning on making a different manga. PCP is not and shouldn't be the work that beats Eiji. The next title should, and if it wins against a better manga than CROW, then their victory will be much more cool and fitting for an end to the entire manga :D

[MRachu]

i think i got a prediction right, i tought about a cameleon tipe of hero but ashirogi make it a villain.
the idea of a guy like this is actually pretty awesome the main problem is the setting ,school aint got too much appeal
if they did something like a time lapse between chapters and the pcp kids are grown ups it could work
i could be something like 20 th century boys when somebody discovers one of the former classmates is RULER OF THE WORLD

by the way i think takahama or iwase is going to win it has to be something unpredictable

[jorped]

Eiji getting first in all the left chapters is crazily crazy. :rant
I just hope that the creators of Bakuman , don't start using this exaggerations a lot of times.
I mean they characterized Eiji all this time as if he was the "mangaka God". He says something that he is going to achieve , and he always ends up achieving it without much problem. :oh
I just hope that if Eiji ends Crow, he won't serialize a manga for quite sometime. He is a genius, but what is too much, also starts to feeling awkward........ at least to me :sweat

The mangakas should give a fresh air for the manga, don't interpret me wrong i love Bakuman and i loved this chapter, but i think that after all these arcs that were nothing more than competition, for example Nanamine's arc and this last one, where we saw the problems that can affect an artist when his work is used for bad purposes, i was expecting to see something different.
It would be good even if it was for a single chapter , to get something more about Azuki.
Maybe a talk between her and Kaya or even with Mashiro.

I think it would be better than jumping already to another arc like this , though they might intend to give some screen time to Miho in this arc. ;)
I didn't disliked seeing Eiji revealing that the manga that he wanted to end, was "Crow" , but i still would had loved to see that the manga he wanted to end was "PCP". :zomg
I just hope that the mangakas stay with reality , even if Crow was awesome , it will have to exist a chapter where another one could beat it :oh

[Shadowriver]

I have a strange felling that Eiji just bluffing and try to force people to improve there manga :p Well i guess thats possibility right?

[jorped]

I have a strange felling that Eiji just bluffing and try to force people to improve there manga :p Well i guess thats possibility right?


Awesome chapter of Bakuman :zomg
Neji's inspired completely and gave them the strength and moral to become better.
I just hope that Eiji is not serious about having to be first in all the weeks so he can end the manga.
That would be crazy , that's too many weeks. Even an epic manga has it's ups and downs and there's always something that will managed to beat it eventually.
Eiji managing to do this would be crazy. I hope that he somehow he made a deal with the editor-chief, in which in order for him to end the manga he will have to be the First in those 10 weeks, but he should also challenge the other mangakas of Jump to try to beat it. So that way everyone is always going to be doing the best they can and after Crow end , Jump will still have other mangas that can mantain Jump's quality and popularity .

Exactly what i though and said after seeing this chapter :amuse
Nice to see that someone also thinks that that is actually a very possible outcome :thumbs

[sekida]

Eiji will not get beaten.

Simply because if he got beaten, we got another similar Bakuman arc of 'Eiji trying to became #1 for 10 consecutive weeks again and Team Fukuda trying to stop him'. If he got beaten again in his 2nd attempt, we'll probably have an endless loop of this kind of Bakuman arc, you guys like that? :p




Hmm, maybe it's because I don't really care for racing, but I don't really see that much appeal in Fukuda's new arc (if you call it that).
Same here

[jorped]

Fukuda's manga is not the kinda of things i like the most also. Actually i have never read a manga about races :blink
But he has managed to get a good audience and i think that his idea sounded cool .
The people that like his manga might possibly end voting for it instead of Crow.
The design of that new characters looked awesome btw :zomg

[luffyg2]

The thing is that if they all do the same thing and try to make all their manga better doesn't that take them back to square one because everybody is doing it then no one really stand out except eiji who was already better than them...

[SK-Hao]

^
agreed luffyg2.

Dont think anything can beat crow at this point.

Popular manga about to end with extreme climax > new characters

Eji is unbeatable, the best the others can do is keep improving as a mangaka.

Whatever happened to the kid who did Rabuta and Peace. I wanna see more of him.

[saladesu]

Eiji getting first in all the left chapters is crazily crazy. :rant
I just hope that the creators of Bakuman , don't start using this exaggerations a lot of times.
I mean they characterized Eiji all this time as if he was the "mangaka God". He says something that he is going to achieve , and he always ends up achieving it without much problem. :oh
I just hope that if Eiji ends Crow, he won't serialize a manga for quite sometime. He is a genius, but what is too much, also starts to feeling awkward........ at least to me :sweat

Not true. He wasn't able to win the romance one-shot festa :amuse I think it was good of Ohba to show that Eiji is beatable and not some indomitable fortress (well of course there's also that #1 series that's never been named but only just been beaten by Eiji...). Nevertheless I still would not want Eiji to be beaten here. Someone mentioned that it might end up in round 2 (and beyond) of Team Fukuda trying to beat Eiji as he guns for a second set of consecutive #1s, and that would just be horrible.


The thing is that if they all do the same thing and try to make all their manga better doesn't that take them back to square one because everybody is doing it then no one really stand out except eiji who was already better than them...

In a sense yes, and in a sense no. They weren't all equal before, some of team Fukuda were better than others (eg Fukuda was in 3rd, Ashirogi in 4th and so on), so it also depends on how much these changes to their manga make it better.

But on the other hand, if there's a lot of hype about Eiji's series' current arc, chances are that even with drastic improvements for the other series, Eiji still wins.


Whatever happened to the kid who did Rabuta and Peace. I wanna see more of him.

Fell off the radar :s He'll probably (hopefully) reappear later with a new series or something. But it's unlikely that Shiratori will ever become more than just a minor character who appears for a couple of panels every few months or just gets mentioned in passing (like Shizuka Ryu... Heck, even like Azuki as of late :bored)


True. But the reason why I want Eiji to come with a better story after crow, is because We know that Ashirogi Muto are still planning on making a different manga. PCP is not and shouldn't be the work that beats Eiji. The next title should, and if it wins against a better manga than CROW, then their victory will be much more cool and fitting for an end to the entire manga :D

Agreed :amuse ... As long as they don't take forever to beat Eiji's next series :XD

[jorped]

Before they worry about beat Eiji, they should worry about the fact that they still haven't got a anime adaptation :oh

And by the way Salad that one shot doesn't even count :oh
Eiji getting first place every week is something crazy even though he is a "genius".

And i bet that when he ends "Crow" he is going to have soon another hit manga, better than every stuff out there :oh

He is a genius not a mangaka God :sweat
We get to see the Tocs, and we get to see that it's very difficult to see a manga stay in the first place for that many weeks in a row, even if it is on an awesome arc :oh
There is always a chapter that its not and cant be as good , and at least on that time another manga surpass it on that week :woo

[Googlez_kun]

It was probably mentioned already,but did anyone notice that Team Fukuda's planning rather idiotic?Rather than splitting the time and giving every member an equal chance,they are giving all their best at the same time,which means that if they all have #1-worthy chapters,they probably won't get first place,because they will have to share the votes.I know that everyone wants to win,but if every manga (except PCP,which has a great chapter) has abad chapter,then they could beat him more easily.
Furthermore,now that the whole editorial departments knows about this,Oda should give his best as well.So if Eiji managed to claim the position for even longer,it would be ridiculous.

What's more is that I'm surprised by the reaction in the editorial department.Eiji is writing towards a natural ending,which means that if he were to continue,it would feel awkward and the series would get worse.Imagine if Arakawa continued FMA!We don't know how Crow is,but everything that comes after that failed ending should feel unnatural.

I did enjoy this week's chapter a bit more,but i still have mixed feelings about this whole matter.

[saladesu]

Before they worry about beat Eiji, they should worry about the fact that they still haven't got a anime adaptation :oh

Yes and no. Yes, they should be thinking of that anime adaptation they've been aiming to get since forever, but no, because if that means sacrificing PCP, or forcing PCP to end abruptly like they did with Tanto, then that's not good either. I like that they've mellowed as they grew older and don't think solely of getting the anime adaptation.


And by the way Salad that one shot doesn't even count :oh
Eiji getting first place every week is something crazy even though he is a "genius".

Of course it counts :XD Still shows he can be beaten, that even though he's a genius he isn't a genius at everything. In fact, he was beaten by mangaka who normally are nowhere near beating him, and I think that's a feat on their part.

It's funny though, how Eiji is called a genius but in the end, he's been #2 for the longest time. Isn't that #1 series' mangaka even more of a genius for having stayed at #1 for years (I'm sure on occasion it gets beaten, like with PCP's first chapter, but by and large it's been a permanent fixture at #1)? :hurr


And i bet that when he ends "Crow" he is going to have soon another hit manga, better than every stuff out there :oh

Depends really. Too many examples out there of mangaka who are called geniuses, but after their first big hit, they fade into oblivion. Oda's called a genius but even I'm not 100% sure he can make a big hit out of whatever he does after One Piece. Manga's a gamble after all, no? :derp

... Though Bakuman being the fictional series it is, and how Eiji has been hyped as a genius so much, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for him to come back with an awesome new series after CROW ends.


He is a genius not a mangaka God :sweat
We get to see the Tocs, and we get to see that it's very difficult to see a manga stay in the first place for that many weeks in a row, even if it is on an awesome arc :oh
There is always a chapter that its not and cant be as good , and at least on that time another manga surpass it on that week :woo

Your last sentence is absolutely true - an arc, even an excellent arc, will always have its ups and downs. But ultimately, it's going to depend on how true-to-life Bakuman is going to be... After all, series' rankings don't fluctuate in Bakuman like they do in real life :/

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It was probably mentioned already,but did anyone notice that Team Fukuda's planning rather idiotic?Rather than splitting the time and giving every member an equal chance,they are giving all their best at the same time,which means that if they all have #1-worthy chapters,they probably won't get first place,because they will have to share the votes.I know that everyone wants to win,but if every manga (except PCP,which has a great chapter) has abad chapter,then they could beat him more easily.

Good point, I totally agree. Maybe one of them will catch on to this later... After all, it'll be difficult of course, but they have 7 weeks to work with, they've still got time...


Furthermore,now that the whole editorial departments knows about this,Oda should give his best as well.So if Eiji managed to claim the position for even longer,it would be ridiculous.

Love how you're just assuming the original #1 is One Piece :XD But I do agree that whoever that mangaka is, he should also step up his game. I mean, even before finding out Eiji's intentions, getting beaten for 6 weeks running out to have already galvanized him to improve to try and reclaim the #1 spot...


What's more is that I'm surprised by the reaction in the editorial department.Eiji is writing towards a natural ending,which means that if he were to continue,it would feel awkward and the series would get worse.Imagine if Arakawa continued FMA!We don't know how Crow is,but everything that comes after that failed ending should feel unnatural.

I talked about this in another thread as well. I agree with you. Eiji said he'd take 10 chapters to head towards an ending, which means the ending is probably going to take place over a few chapters to tie up loose ends and the like. If he gets beaten at the last minute, he would have written until the second last chapter! It would be so weird to suddenly continue the story from there. It'd be like "And they all lived happily... OH NO THEY DON'T!" :s

[jorped]

What's more is that I'm surprised by the reaction in the editorial department.Eiji is writing towards a natural ending,which means that if he were to continue,it would feel awkward and the series would get worse.Imagine if Arakawa continued FMA!We don't know how Crow is,but everything that comes after that failed ending should feel unnatural.

We all know that Eiji is a pretty eccentric person, but this is just too much :sweat
Eiji's is a genius but even himself can't be sure that he will manage to be first for so many consecutive weeks :oh
And i don't think that it would be god for WSJ, if Eiji ended having to continue "Crow" when he was already preparing and setting everything for the end.
As you said Googz that would give awkward and serie would get worse indeed.
This is some kinda of universal rule :lmao and even Eiji wouldn't be able of changing that. :rant
So i think that if he gets the 10 chapters in a row (the ones needed for him to be able of cancelling his manga), he is going to end the manga.
The other 10 weeks was nothing more than an agreement with the editor in order that every other manga running on the magazine was on the best moment possible, so that the magazine won't be very affected by Crow's ending :oh

Possible, i think :sweat

[BBB Banana]

Well he could make a really good plot twist and make it look natural... eiji is a genius coming up with such a plot twist wouldn't be that hard IMO....

But off course he will win the challenge

[murtas]

Great chapter, nothing less than a great arc too.
Can't wait for the developing of all of this....

[andysislands]

I have a feeling Crow will fall from the top position. Not sure if PCP will be the one to do it, but something will happen so that it falls.

At the end of the arc, I think that Eiji, after falling from #1 will go on a 6-month hiatus. He'll "end" his manga, but change the last few pages to enter the series into a new arc. With this, Eiji will make a proclamination that he'll use this time to focus on "Part 2" of Crow (timeskip or something to connect the two parts), and use Natural+ to ensure his skills do not rust. He may also do something with the Crow anime (like create new characters for a filler arc). Thus, with the series trying to take Crow from first, they now have 6 months to keep their series running high until Crow comes back stronger than ever. This will in turn give PCP their chance to "make or break" the series to get an anime.

Bakuman likes to have that "everybody wins in the end" vibe to it, and if the story keeps moving in that direction, I could see that little summery happening in the future.

[ErosVp]

I don't think it's impossible to be 1st that many consecutives weeks in real life either! With Impel Down Arc and Marinford War, OP might have been placed first for more weeks than 15....

[saladesu]

I have a feeling Crow will fall from the top position. Not sure if PCP will be the one to do it, but something will happen so that it falls.

At the end of the arc, I think that Eiji, after falling from #1 will go on a 6-month hiatus. He'll "end" his manga, but change the last few pages to enter the series into a new arc. With this, Eiji will make a proclamination that he'll use this time to focus on "Part 2" of Crow (timeskip or something to connect the two parts), and use Natural+ to ensure his skills do not rust. He may also do something with the Crow anime (like create new characters for a filler arc). Thus, with the series trying to take Crow from first, they now have 6 months to keep their series running high until Crow comes back stronger than ever. This will in turn give PCP their chance to "make or break" the series to get an anime.

Bakuman likes to have that "everybody wins in the end" vibe to it, and if the story keeps moving in that direction, I could see that little summery happening in the future.

That's an interesting theory. Going on a 6 month break is pretty unheard of in Jump though, I think? At least not without good reason (ignoring Togashi with Hunter x Hunter).

Rather than an "everybody wins in the end" vibe, I think of Bakuman more as a series where the unexpected tends to happen. It seemed so unlikely that CROW was going to be the one Eiji wanted to end, but in the end it was. Likewise, everything seems to point at Eiji being defeated (he has the entire editorial division and most of the other mangaka against him), but I hope to see him actually emerge triumphant.

[MRachu]

Eiji genius right? the cruel fact is that while eiji is a genius and he seems to know everything in manga ,the story around him isnt been much interesting prehaps the first 30 chapters after that i think eiji is only been a filler in the story besides the one time he apeared in a tv show and
make mashiro run like crazy to azuki
the story must evolve and curiously enough eiji took years to take no 1 and only because he igot bored with CROW,i reember he won
a lot of awards in the begining for diferent stories so he is good with that too,
it would appear that he no longer is the rival in the story he will become the goal in bakuman
while the anime itself is an interesting goal, its a very random task, it could arrive at any time (and so it has)

Eijis new manga can only compete with a new manga like PCP (or other) in witch oba and obata go into the story,like akechi arc or something
competing with an old manga is something that is imposible (like trying to explain the whole naruto bleach one piece story in one or two pages you cant achieve that)
so here is my prediction

PCP will get cancel beacause they responded to the bank robbers inside pcp
CROW will eventually will be cancelled
maybe with the no 1 condition or maybe something else
Eiji and ashirogi muto will compete one on one with a new series but it will be different
because eji left crow in no 1 he will be a different new rival something like the veteran mangaka
the only way that i think pcp can change to actually achieve no 1 is a time skip or something
time will tell

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To give you guys something to discuss... :amuse

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- First week: PCP 4th (21 more votes than the previous week); Giri rose by 21 votes; Seigi no Mikata rose by 16 votes; Crow fell by 33 votes; Hiramaru dropped from 5th to 7th
- Chapter title: Lead Color and Center Color
- Among the editors, the hot fave to defeat Eiji is actually Takahama's Seigi no Mikata, which will get the lead color the week there's that climatic chapter
- GIRI gets the lead color the week after Seigi no Mikata, and Fukuda will take the whole month to draw that color page (to make it the best he can)
- It's tough to give PCP a lead color now since they just got one for their 2nd anniversary, but Hattori worked things out with the rest of the editors and they promised to give PCP a center color sometime before issue #34

- The second week: PCP 3rd, Giri 2nd, CROW 1st, Seigi no Mikata 4th. (Basically, that originally 1st series has.... Disappeared :/)
- Eiji has hit 10 straight #1s and Shuujin says, "if you look at it from Eiji's POV, isn't what we're doing just being nuisances who are hindering him from ending CROW?", but Hattori says that isn't the case and that Eiji was glad that they were closing in on him in terms of votes. He thinks it'd be even cooler if he's able to continue his #1 streak and end his manga at this rate

- The third week: even with lead color, Seigi no Mikata only rises to 2nd, but Takahama is still glad as its the first time he's even gone as high as #2.
- Takahama says that once he gets the drama adaptation, he'd definitely make himself #1. He says the one who will take the throne of best non-mainstream battle manga will not be Ashirogi, but himself.

-The fourth week: Fukuda is 2nd even with lead color, PCP 3rd
- Even with the changes in art Bokutsuu still hovers around #6
- PCP gets center color in #34, which is the final chance anyone has to defeat CROW
- They start to think about whether they can try to set something up with that single color page, something that can only be done because it's PCP
- Shuujin suggests something like, if you wear 3d specs, you'll be able to see something jump out from the color page but Saikou rejects the idea, saying then the readers would be forced to buy 3d specs
- They start trying to think how they can synchronize the color page with the contents (tricks the PCP gang uses) of the chapter
-Shuujin comes up with something lame, playing with the names of colors, names with colors in them etc
- Hattori chides them for putting the cart before the horse, focusing too much on the CP which should just be fanservice, rather than on the story itself

-In the end Saikou draws a single page spread with just Makoto in his room, alone. Hattori approves
- Ashirogi have something up their sleeves, after Hattori leaves, they're like, "Hattori didn't notice a thing!"
- They don't reveal what this thing is... CLIFFHANGER :bored

And now to dinner (and then translating). So, any thoughts on what special thing they've done with the color page? :blink

[saladesu]

Let's keep the discussion centered on the chapter itself :amuse (though I do appreciate all the gratitude :lovebunny)

Anyway, here's (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/30146) the translation for chapter 137. Kinda tired so I'll leave my own comments for tomorrow. Meanwhile, enjoy :tem

[MRachu]

arealdy read the translation
need to see those color pages

[LeDuck]

If they're clever, then Bakuman will have a color page next week, which is exactly the color page in the manga, so people can try to find out the gag before they read the chapter.

[Asahina]

Wow saladesu, you are the best!
And it's kind of obvious that "PCP" will get a tie or a draw with "CROW".
I can never see "PCP" defeating "Crow" but only having the same votes with him.

But sure, if PCP actually defeats Crow, then you can say the reason why is not because of the center color pages. It was because the Bakuman story is favored among the main mangakas of the series.

But if you think about it, PCP has been featured allot through TV news-reports (although through negative means), so I think that this alone can be seen as an equivalence to those manga series that has and will reach anime/drama adaptation on TV.

[saladesu]

About what the color page is... I wonder if that whole cellophane paper thing and class photo stuff might have something remotely to do with it after all. I mean, Ohba spent like a page and a half on that... I've been trying real hard to think what set up there could be in a serene-looking drawing of Makoto in his room, but nada.


If they're clever, then Bakuman will have a color page next week, which is exactly the color page in the manga, so people can try to find out the gag before they read the chapter.

Ooh, good point! Too bad Bakuman's not getting a color page next week... It just got one last week after all. They should have forgone the spread in chapter 133 (the running one, which imo was pretty pointless) to have one next week.


Wow saladesu, you are the best!
And it's kind of obvious that "PCP" will get a tie or a draw with "CROW".
I can never see "PCP" defeating "Crow" but only having the same votes with him.

Thank you :wub

The part where Hattori mentioned that "it's not about whether or not CROW will be beaten, but who will beat it" worried me. I really don't want CROW to be beaten :/ A draw sounds okay to me, though. Or perhaps Ashirogi will be the ones who get the closest to beating Eiji, with a gap of less than 10 votes (the mention of which by Yuujirou might be a hint at that?).

What's more interesting or strange really is that to push up the ranks of all the Bakuman series (ie the series by characters in Bakuman we know), that unnamed series that was originally #1 before CROW took that spot suddenly disappeared into nothingness. It was #1 for so long, then overtaken by Eiji and kept it's #2 spot until all of a sudden, it fell to #4, #5 or even lower. How plausible is that, really? Would not this author also want to try and regain his #1 by trying to improve his manga as well? :eyeroll:


But if you think about it, PCP has been featured allot through TV news-reports (although through negative means), so I think that this alone can be seen as an equivalence to those manga series that has and will reach anime/drama adaptation on TV.

Nah, I don't think it was featured enough to get it as much attention as an anime or drama. The buzz would only have lasted for those few days after each break-in, then die down and get almost forgotten by the general public.

[Reclaimer]

- Hattori chides them for putting the cart before the horse, focusing too much on the CP which should just be fanservice, rather than on the story itself
Ooh, good point! Too bad Bakuman's not getting a color page next week... It just got one last week after all. They should have forgone the spread in chapter 133 (the running one, which imo was pretty pointless) to have one next week.
...

[saladesu]

Exactly. Hattori said it should just be fanservice, but Ashirogi decide to go against him, and insist on thinking up a set up to incorporate into their color page, and ultimately, this is supposedly going to help them either defeat Eiji or get real close to doing so. The running spread was just fanservice, and pointless, and could have been better used if they tried to tie it in to the story just as what Ashirogi are trying to do. Ohba would then be, in a way, practicing what he preaches, not to mention it would be really cool and probably garner lots of votes too.

[Knifeshade]

I think Reclaimer was saying pot calling the kettle black? -shrugs-

What I find funny in this chapter is Hiramaru's series being stuck around 6th the entire time. Would be hilarious if he mysteriously comes up on top in the final week.

[shouryuujo]

the thing is i wonder how the "trick" will play out. PCP has a cult following which will eat that up but it needs new followers or at least some votes from new folks to beat eiji. So i am curious how they will capture non-pcp fans or casual readers who might just skim through the chapter. Maybe the last page of the chapter is a spread similar to the color page and causes reader to go "huh?" and then try to see what difference there are?

[Reclaimer]

Exactly. Hattori said it should just be fanservice, but Ashirogi decide to go against him, and insist on thinking up a set up to incorporate into their color page, and ultimately, this is supposedly going to help them either defeat Eiji or get real close to doing so. The running spread was just fanservice, and pointless, and could have been better used if they tried to tie it in to the story just as what Ashirogi are trying to do. Ohba would then be, in a way, practicing what he preaches, not to mention it would be really cool and probably garner lots of votes too.
Had they, as LeDuck suggested, used their color page to reproduce the color page that Ashirogi was creating for PCP, it would have utterly failed the basic premise of color pages: provide fan service. They would be highlighting characters that we see extremely rarely and not necessarily be immediately recognizable to the reader without stamping PCP all over the image. More interesting than your standard color page? Probably, but once again, failing at the basic premise.

[ErosVp]

The unnamed series that was first before and disappeared now is One Piece! It ended and that is the reason Crow took first place! Sastifed guys?

[perroloco]

Saladesu wrote:
What's more interesting or strange really is that to push up the ranks of all the Bakuman series (ie the series by characters in Bakuman we know), that unnamed series that was originally #1 before CROW took that spot suddenly disappeared into nothingness. It was #1 for so long, then overtaken by Eiji and kept it's #2 spot until all of a sudden, it fell to #4, #5 or even lower. How plausible is that, really? Would not this author also want to try and regain his #1 by trying to improve his manga as well? :

Supposing the 1st place series is ONE PIECE, which I assume is, remember last time we read of it still existing was IIRC in the class reunion, a dude asked if they knew Oda-Sensei..
It either ended or is on a long break? (Kinda like last year) Maybe it will return in a few weeks and Eiji's real challenge will begin!

[Knifeshade]

Seems like the chapters out. In chinese anyway. Here's the page Mashiro drew btw: http://www.flyluo.com/showpic-tid-80069-page-18.html

I wonder where the set up lies in. The books? Some random object in the room? And what the heck is Makoto doing anyway?? o_O

[HumanRage]

well they are in 2015 by now, aren't they ?

as far as we can tell, there is no more any reference to any manga name we know, while there was back in the beginning of the story. they are adult now.

[Knifeshade]

I can't help but keep noticing the book on the top resembles +Natural's title/logo. When you look at it upside down. =/

[MRachu]

the picture is spooky
im not sure if thats actually makoto it looks really creepy
it looks like a photograph but there are things that dont match up
the photograph says 00 minutes
and the clock says 9 45 or something
and perhaps the mistery z is refering to sigma for what i now sigma means last but....
i dont know that picture looks spooky

[andysislands]

My guess is in the book cover. If you flip the image upside down, you could get a cross, and an old town outline. Maybe something to do with a graveyard or a church?

Looking forward to reading this whole chapter!

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Had they, as LeDuck suggested, used their color page to reproduce the color page that Ashirogi was creating for PCP, it would have utterly failed the basic premise of color pages: provide fan service. They would be highlighting characters that we see extremely rarely and not necessarily be immediately recognizable to the reader without stamping PCP all over the image. More interesting than your standard color page? Probably, but once again, failing at the basic premise.

They don't have to reproduce the exact same color page. They could modify it. Similar to that one color page where we had the Bakuman cast cosplaying as their own manga characters (and I remember distinctly that I couldn't even recognize Shuujin at first glance). Yes, basic premise is fan service, but it can be taken a step further, though of course whether it succeeds in accomplishing both is up to the mangaka himself.


I wonder where the set up lies in. The books? Some random object in the room? And what the heck is Makoto doing anyway?? o_O

I think the set up might have something to do with the books (titles translated as follows)
The Curse of the Cross (top) | Monster Art (bottom) | Mystery Z (standing, right) | Seven Detective Mysteries (standing, left)

But more likely than not, I think it'll have something to do with the date/time stamp on the page. There's the date 9th (but no month), and also the time 00 minutes... The clock is either showing 9pm or 10pm (2 hour hands? :blink They look like they're the same length).


well they are in 2015 by now, aren't they ?

as far as we can tell, there is no more any reference to any manga name we know, while there was back in the beginning of the story. they are adult now.

It's 2016, to be exact :amuse There have still been fairly frequent references to series IRL, such as the mention of Oda-sensei (though no actual mention of OP and whether OP is still running) by Saikou's ex-classmates, and just in the Nanamine arc they mentioned Enigma which started sometime late last year.

---------- Post added at 05:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:00 PM ----------

Chapter's out by MRI :) Gotta agree with takadanama's release post. This chapter was like 3000 words long. Not that any other chapter of Bakuman isn't 3000 words long.

[AandWguy]

According to the chapter they have what 4 more weeks to beat eiji? Maybe aoki or hilariously hiramaru beats him. Hiramaru wins....HA!

[ErosVp]

If GIri was the closest to reach Crow, and still had a gap of 70 votes, then a non-mainstream manga like PCP will have it even more hard. I expect them to get pretty close, maybe even close the gap to 10 votes, but if they win it will be pushing the plot too hard in favor of the protagonists...

LET CROW END CAMPAIGN

[luffyg2]

I really dont want them to beat Eiji because I think a mangaka should be able to end his manga when he wants to but at the same time I want Ashigori to be first... is it possible to have a tie...

[pein1991]

I believe that person is actually Sigma as Makoto wears glasses and there seems to be none in that room.

[Darjaille]

My first thought after seeing the center color, I thought Makoto was trying to draw/write some kind of letter or poster, hence the spray on the table (or at least, I see the spray in it, but actually it can be something different :D). The Monster Art book and that. And then of course time on the clock, thought I don't know what time it is. 9pm? 10pm? 9.45? And 9th and 00minutes...
Well I'm curious what will it be, bet we didn't get it right :D

But I don't like that "color" page much. Didn't recognize him ^_^'

Anyways, I think they will beat Crow and then let Eiji end it, or they'll tie. I don't know, but I always thought that Ashirogi's manga was meant to be better than Fukuda's and others. :whoknows:

[jorped]

Bakuman chapter lately have been awesome.
So the last hope is all in PCP.
I am expecting something amazing from them and i am really interested in get to know how are they gonna use that color page to make the manga much more interesting to the readers.
And a bit weird to see Hiramaru out of the equation. Doesn't seem like his manga is going to create much trouble to Crow.

[Googlez_kun]

Something that crossed my mind before reading the chapter and was in the chapter as well are color pages.Chapters with color pages usually aren't ranked,because the series with CP are at an advantage.So are those rankings even legit?Also,if Crow ends,it should get color pages as well,which means that it would be automatically immune.Pimping a chapter with color pages seems to be allowed in Bakuman,but i don't think it would work in the real world.Or did i misunderstand something?

[Jaymie]

Chapters are ranked eight weeks later. People can still vote for chapters with color pages. It's the chapter eight weeks prior that doesn't end up getting its rank shown in the TOC (though WSJ can still estimate what its position in the TOC would have been).

[shinobi]

nice chapter!! Bakuman is getting more exciting now!! lol I was staring at that color page and it looks cool btw, Makoto is smirking for some reason, as if plotting something, and that's what the two of them are doing too,, they're not even telling Hattori about their little twist this time, he'll definitely be surprised..

[Reginaemiaumiau]

The key is the shadow in the floor and the hour. I dont know exacty what is it.. but Obata focus this in the last vignette (left) He show Hattori, Takagi and Mashiro s feet in a suspicious mode.

[sekida]

Makoto = Sigma? his pose is like character Σ but flipped.

[saladesu]

Something that crossed my mind before reading the chapter and was in the chapter as well are color pages.Chapters with color pages usually aren't ranked,because the series with CP are at an advantage.So are those rankings even legit?Also,if Crow ends,it should get color pages as well,which means that it would be automatically immune.Pimping a chapter with color pages seems to be allowed in Bakuman,but i don't think it would work in the real world.Or did i misunderstand something?

I suppose CROW will only get those color pages on its last chapter? So the week where it gets color pages is unlikely to be one of those where everyone's trying to beat it. Even if there was a week where CROW had color during the battle weeks, it would only be one week so there are still other weeks with which they can beat him, I guess. But you're right - pimping a chapter with color pages just seems to be allowed in Bakuman. Guess none of them mind that it was only due to having that color page that they were even able to get that close to Eiji, or they're just concerned about beating him so CROW won't end, rather than beating him "fair and square".


Makoto = Sigma? his pose is like character Σ but flipped.

Not to mention that M is also like a flipped Σ... Might be relevant, who knows :D

[Reginaemiaumiau]

yeah. makoto is sigma. any doubt. there is a makeup set and havnt glasses. the pose is something evil and look like greek simbol. is obvious.

[saladesu]

Makoto is Sigma? :blink What exactly do you mean by that? That the image depicted in the color page is not Makoto, but actually Sigma? Not dismissing the possibility, but - I don't see any make-up set, and Makoto doesn't wear spectacles when he's "normal", as part of a disguise of sorts. I think he actually doesn't need glasses and wears fakes when he's with the rest of PCP. Don't really think his pose is evil either - he's just playing with the measuring tape thingy on his phone, it's one of his trademarks. You can see both of these here. (http://www.mangareader.net/bakuman/89/19)

Or do you mean that Makoto is Sigma, giving advice to help PCP improve...?

[Googlez_kun]

I still wonder why it is a color page?I mean,somehow the colors should fulfill a purpose in solving the case or something or else they could've simply used a black and white page.However,no matter how often i look i can't see anything that would actually have a relevance color-wise.

[sir_arles]

I like the idea of Makoto and Sigma being the same person :D

[saladesu]

I still wonder why it is a color page?I mean,somehow the colors should fulfill a purpose in solving the case or something or else they could've simply used a black and white page.However,no matter how often i look i can't see anything that would actually have a relevance color-wise.

Yeah, same here :s I guess the fact that it's a color page will draw some extra attention to it, and the whole point of using it for something supposedly significant like this is to not waste the color page - using it as an integral part of the chapter rather than mere fanservice?


I like the idea of Makoto and Sigma being the same person :D

Yeah it's a pretty cool thought ;) But like Googz, I don't see much significance in the clue (?) to that being a color page...

[Asahina]

It's weird how Bakuman has never mentioned using "ecchi material" to increase votes and getting a better position for each week. If PCP had some ecchi in that release, I think it would be of better choice to increase votes and beat Crow.

[Reginaemiaumiau]

I cant explain it very well.. makoto and sigma arent the same person. sigma use makoto identity. nothing more. but would be interesting xDD (o.O yep. make up set is not here. sorry. although i believe in this theory) im waiting for the next chapter more than ever xD

[Googlez_kun]

It's weird how Bakuman has never mentioned using "ecchi material" to increase votes and getting a better position for each week. If PCP had some ecchi in that release, I think it would be of better choice to increase votes and beat Crow.
Now that you mention it!
Especially Fukuda could have used some great panty-shots or a new hot female character to attract some more boys.
I'm pretty sure that Eiji,judging by his tastes,does not have much fanservice,if any at all.So that might indeed be a way to top him.

[Reclaimer]

It's weird how Bakuman has never mentioned using "ecchi material" to increase votes and getting a better position for each week. If PCP had some ecchi in that release, I think it would be of better choice to increase votes and beat Crow.
Have you actually read Bakuman? That's exactly what Fukuda was doing with Kiyoshi and what Aoki does with her series.

[pina]

It's weird how Bakuman has never mentioned using "ecchi material" to increase votes and getting a better position for each week. If PCP had some ecchi in that release, I think it would be of better choice to increase votes and beat Crow.

When Ashirogi were working on the character designs of Mai from PCP, Takagi suggested she always be in miniskirts to which Mashiro adamantly responded he wasn't going to draw panties. Mai does look a lot like Ami from Detective Trap, who is turn is based off Azuki, and in that sense it seems very unlikely Mashiro would be willing to do ecchi scenes with her. Plus, she is the only female character we've seen in PCP.

[Douns]

I think that there are l'aube some tricks and things with THE title of THe books in japanese that can be read some other ways or which you CAN play and change THE order of the letters to make a sentence or something. You know it's like the names of THE caracters, they mean something in japanese that we cannot understand without THE explanations of the author.

[Reclaimer]

I think that there are l'aube some tricks and things with THE title of THe books in japanese that can be read some other ways or which you CAN play and change THE order of the letters to make a sentence or something. You know it's like the names of THE caracters, they mean something in japanese that we cannot understand without THE explanations of the author.
And those are the kind of things that won't get you popular.
PCP fans might spend more time than your average reader trying to figure out the tricks, but I suspect that even they would be like "Oh, hey, a color page. Cool." then move onto actually reading the chapter.
If it isn't obviously insanely awesome or there isn't huge word of mouth, more people (or at least not enough to get you to 1st) are not going to read or vote for you than normal.

[Googlez_kun]

And those are the kind of things that won't get you popular.
PCP fans might spend more time than your average reader trying to figure out the tricks, but I suspect that even they would be like "Oh, hey, a color page. Cool." then move onto actually reading the chapter.
If it isn't obviously insanely awesome or there isn't huge word of mouth, more people (or at least not enough to get you to 1st) are not going to read or vote for you than normal.
We still don't know where they are going to put it.I remember that Sket Dance had a colorspread in the middle of the chapter.So they could do something like this in PCP as well.They might also refer to it in the chapter itself,so that the readers have to go back to the CP in order to find the clue.Then they'll be like "Wow,i totally overlooked that!Not bad Ashirogi Muto,you get my vote."

[saladesu]

Interesting - I never knew Sket (or any other series, really) had a color page in the middle of the chapter! :omg That's cool, and would be a nice way to really incorporate a color page into the chapter (though having ads on the other side of the color page may feel a bit weird).

If it's something as minor as a clue hidden within the book titles though, I don't think it'd really work to impress that much. I think it ought to be something that's obvious, yet easy to miss. Kinda like an Agatha Christie mystery.

[Shamy]

Raw 138 out on MangaHead http://mangahead.com/Manga-Raw-Scan/Bakuman/Bakuman-138-Raw-Scan

[masgrande]

Looks like is going to be an interesting chapter, I really wish I could read that:(.

[AandWguy]

The chapter is in english on mangareader now. Great chapter, it'll be funny if the next chapter someone completely unexpected surpasses crow, like hinamori or aoki. If PCP wins though that would be cool too.

[Googlez_kun]

I'm rather dissapointed by the fact that Ashirogi seems to have won this battle,even though the last page made it too obvious to be true...
Really now,I don't want Eiji to be forced to continue,since,just like Yujiro,i was moved as well seeing Eiji like this.So him loosing would break my little heart. ;__;

Epic chapter nonetheless.

[Knifeshade]

Epic chapter indeed. But I think Ashirogi Muto still lost. If they did surpass Crow, why would Hattori's expression have a ghastly reaction rather than excitement? From Yujirou's expression as well, it's almost as if they're saying "WHY DID PCP'S RATING GO DOWN RATHER THAN UP".

[Googlez_kun]

Epic chapter indeed. But I think Ashirogi Muto still lost. If they did surpass Crow, why would Hattori's expression have a ghastly reaction rather than excitement? From Yujirou's expression as well, it's almost as if they're saying "WHY DID PCP'S RATING GO DOWN RATHER THAN UP".

I got the impression of "Oh sh't!Is this for real?PCP surpassed CROW with a bazillion votes?"Something along those lines.I don't know,that's just the impression i got,but your version could be true as well.

[Knifeshade]

Agreed, but man it can go any number of directions.

If we say PCP wins, the best evidence is Yuujirou's shocked face. Towards the end we see him cheering for Eiji's side. So him making such a face could be a sign that PCP won in the end.

If we say PCP lost, best evidence for me is in the last page's panels. we're shown 4 editor's faces. And not one of them is a happy face. You'd think in the weeks following up they've all been cheering for somebody to surpass Crow, you'd think when somebody finally did we'd see at least a "OH YES, THEY DID IT" face?

And then we can also say it might be a tie. So everybody's all like "WHOA. UHHH...SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW?"

Once again, epic chapter, epic cliffhanger.

But I'm still on the "PCP lost" side. My personal opinion is I thought the PCP chapter was clever, but it's hard for me to say it was interesting though. An entire chapter revolving around an underneath the underneath trick. Hmm....

[jorped]

It was a nice chapter, and it seems that next week, we are going to get a conclusion to all this.
I want "PCP" to beat "Crow" but at the same time , i want Eiji to end "Crow". It would be way to weird to see him continuing writing "Crow" now that he prepared everything for the end

[sekida]

Hattori's reaction is just on early result (preliminaries).

I'm betting that Eiji still wins or you guys want another arc of stop-eiji-from-ending-crow again? ^^,

[jorped]

Hattori's reaction is just on early result (preliminaries).

I'm betting that Eiji still wins or you guys want another arc of stop-eiji-from-ending-crow again? ^^,

That reaction doesn't guarantee to us, that "PCP" was in first place. He can also be surprised by the fact that "PCP" wasn't good enough to make people vote for it instead of "Crow".

I think Eiji will end winning, but i wouldn't mind to see him getting beaten. I think there was always an other possible way if he was defeated, which is simply end the series as if he had won. I always found it possible that he made a deal with the Editor chief, that he would end "Crow" if he got those 10 weeks in a row. The other 10 weeks was simply to prepare WSJ for the damages of Crow's ending.

[shinjiru777]

I think that pcp and crow get 1 place XD that would be little stupid isnt it? Crow win, but lose but win then eji can end it XDDD

[vpyr]

I'm not posting much... but, there are 5 possibiltys...

1. PCP wins with a biiiiiig difference in votes.
(I just don't see this one)
2. PCP wins by a few votes.(5-1)
(Could be possible, like "woow, that was close")
3. PCP and Crow tie.
(Also possible, like, "What are we gonne do now")
4. Crow wins with few votes (5-1)
(same as above)
5. Crow wins with a big difference
(same as above)

If 1,2,4 or 5 happens, we all know what will happen. Crow will end. If PCP will also end, i don't think so... Maybe because then they would be the prey for Eiji... Would be something "new" and "fresh".
Or Crow will not end and the journey "beat-the-genius-part-512" goes on forever and ever and ever....

But what would happen if they tie?
As for the Ranking, noone beat Eiji. He did successfully defend his first spot. But will he feel like it? NO. He himself will think of a tie as a lose. So even if the EIC gives him a okay he won't quit Crow.
But how will the story progress from a tie like this? There would only one opinion. A Anime for PCP, and, i think you would agree, that would be lame.

So my bet is, Crow wins by 1 vote. It will end. And PCP will take over the throne for 2-3 weeks, till Eijis new Manga kicks in and takes the first spot. At that time PCP is over and It will start over again....

So i'm out of here.... hopeing for part 513....

[sir_arles]

UHhhhhhhhhhhhh... a perfect tie would be awesome!

[TadoshiChang]

Based on how the story is going IMHO I believe it is going to be a tie. I just can't see Eiji or Ashirogi losing and the looks that the two editors had on the last page are about the same. But I will throw another possibility in the mix, maybe they both lost and another manga came in first.

[jorped]

UHhhhhhhhhhhhh... a perfect tie would be awesome!

I don't think that would be awesome :-_-
That wouldn't be a bold decision of the authors and it would reveal a bit of weakness of their part IMO :oh

[Minato-sama]

I bet it both tie for number 1

[LoS]

I wanted to post this last night after seeing the cliffhanger but it is good to see a few other members sharing my belief, even if some people are being rather whimsical. But last weeks chapter made me believe the result would end in a tie and this chapters final page only further strengthened my belief.

[perroloco]

IMO its gonna be a tie.. Also did anyone else catch the HXH reference? In Nanamine's editor (Forgot its name, Kosugi?)

[meepers4982]

i really want the next chapter to come out now. That is quite a cliffhanger we have there. I like how determined saiko and shujin are to wait for the final results. lets hope for the best for them.

[fizban]

Hattori looked like he had a small smile forming on his face in one of those panels. I think PCP was ahead in the early results, but just barely. That'd explain why Aida was telling him it was just the early results and to not get too excited yet.

It was a pretty cool chapter. We got to really get an idea of how cool PCP must be, and I am never sad to see pages from the various manga in this manga.

My only regret about this arc is that Iwase and Aoki weren't trying to beat Eiji too. I really want to see Iwase's passion burning again. She was a serious force at the start of +Natural. It would have been amazing if the series that beat Eiji was another Eiji series.

[Reclaimer]

A tie would be both an epic copout and not even slightly believable.

[Jaymie]

PCP wins early results. Crow wins in the end. Calling it now.

[Googlez_kun]

Yeah,a tie would be the worst-case scenario.Eiji would probably even admit defeat and continue CROW,which would be even worse.

[DidCart]

But I will throw another possibility in the mix, maybe they both lost and another manga came in first.

Since the beggining of this arc I told some friend of mine that it would be awesome if, in the end, the one who surpassed Eiji was Hiramaru.

I have some facts to prove my point.

1 - He is the only author that appears all the time during the arc. Some of the authors come and go, but Hiramaru is always there working on his manga and trying to be called Kazu-tan.

2 - Yoshida (Hiramaru's editor) make an appearence in the final pages saying "i wonder if it will become the historic moment Yuujiru talked about...". Ohba never uses a character without a reason.

This facts don't prove anything... but you know... it'd be awesome! :p

[Reclaimer]

Since the beggining of this arc I told some friend of mine that it would be awesome if, in the end, the one who surpassed Eiji was Hiramaru.
To quote myself:


With an arc that epic, people start reading Jump almost solely to read that series. People who haven't read in awhile come back. It just builds up so much readership momentum that no any other series has any viable shot of defeating it with one exception: Comedy.

Comedy needs to be set up (is all about setups), but the length of time needed to set up great comedy is infinitely shorter than anything else. With one great chapter, a comedy could theoretically rise from last place to first place (that is, assuming people knew to read it).

As Hiramaru's comedy is based on his world views, Hiramaru is one bad event from churning out comedic gold capable of toppling Crow's run. Imagine: Hiramaru wants to have tea with Aoki, but she cancels because she is busy trying to beat Crow. Hiramaru spirals downwards and beats Crow unintentionally.

[perroloco]

Well I know for sure I would have voted for (For Hoshin Engi fans) the chapter when the artist makes a parody of when a new serialization starts on WSJ.. LOL This might be too extreme but I might have to count chapter per chapter and go check biwa to see how that chapter ranked.. It just made me LOL so much (IIRC it was in the Choukomei battle arc?)

I mean there are moments of action but those need to be developed to be epic.. I mean it wouldn't have been as epic when Goku turns into SSJ (I don't think I need spoiler tag for this, do I?) back in Freezer arc if the chapters leading to it (Vegeta and Goku's saiyan pride speech, Krillin's boom! and EVERYTHING else leading to it..)
Same with the moment when Goku battles Piccolo's father (Was it Piccolo Daimaoh?? Here in Mexico is Piccolo Dai Maku, but I am certain its original name is DaiMao??) anyway those were epic moments, yeah, but they needed to be developed..
Then there is this one-chapter moment which didn't really need any development YET I always laugh about when I read/watch it, these 2 moments are from early Dragon Ball too, they are when Goku tells Bulma "The balls! They are missing!" LOL and the other one is when Kame Sennin gives Goku and Bulma the Dragon Ball and Bulma shows him her panties (and a little more LOL).

Yeah, I agree comedy can overtake action mangas if there is a brilliant joke in a chapter. ;)

[Reclaimer]

I would also like to note that the PCP chapter is a set-up chapter, and unless you are setting up an epic battle where the whole cast of the series shows up one after another, you aren't getting first place with a set-up chapter.

As Bakuman noted earlier in the series in regards to Trap, conclusion chapters have higher rankings that set-up chapters.

[Magnus]

IMO its gonna be a tie.. Also did anyone else catch the HXH reference? In Nanamine's editor (Forgot its name, Kosugi?)
Wow how could I have missed this while I always read slowly each page of Bakuman !
IMO this week Bakuman was a lot more exciting than any of the big three. But the PCP chapter isn't good enough to overcome Crow. Sure it's very interesting to see Sigma's enigma resolved and there was a very nice cliffhanger, but it's just not exciting and memorable enough, I honestly don't want it to win.

[luffyg2]

I think it will be a tie... I really don't see Nizuma keep going with a manga that is supposed to be ended it would seems to weird for his reader... and at the same time ashigori put so much into that chapter that they just can't be only second...

[Mattios]

I might be that really first person to think that the expression and the best conclusion to all this would have been a tie at the end of this arc ? It could happen at last actually or in the ffirst place

[Reginaemiaumiau]

I thoght it was a tie.. but finally i am sure crow will be finished. Eiji will have 1st place with the most number of votes in the weekly shonen's history. Ashirogi will have 2nd place with more than 150 votes (more than usual 1st place)
Conclusion: Both wins but not with a tie. Eiji finish crow and one historic record Ashirogi have a motive to be happy.

[MRachu]

i know this is shonen but cmon crow and PCP arent the only ones out there.
im gonna say that the best result isnt any of the above mentioned, well the hiramaru winning maybe its a little funny
but the whole pcp sigma thing would be meaningless
but story wise that would be bad ,every result wining loosing even a tie
ill would be best if something like ,oh by the way this week hunterXhunter won because it return from hiatus(something that is imposible cause bakuman world is in 2017 or something)
i love bakuman but siriously im kinda tired of all of this plots and twists i like more the
reality aspect of it ,when mashiro fell sick and everybody is in the hospital or the whole azuki wants to show herself to mashiro
perhaps i just like them to see them suffering and overcoming i dont know
this makes me thing that oba and obata are the ones who are presured to not end bakuman

[Reclaimer]

If it is a tie between Crow and PCP, I'm going to stop reading Bakuman. The odds of 1,000 people ranking the top 3 of approximately 20 series and resulting in the same vote value (I don't recall reading if 1st place votes are weighted higher) is astronomically small. I wouldn't even believe it if was 100 people.

There have been a few situations that had the potential for Ohba to cause the series to jump the shark and he's managed to avoid them, so I have some hope he doesn't something as utterly, utterly retarded as having them tie.

[saladesu]

I agree. I would hate to see a tie, and like Reclaimer's said the chances of it happening are extremely, extremely low. One beating the other by a small margin is possible and quite highly likely, but not getting a tie like each having exactly 150 votes a piece or whatever.

I really like the idea of PCP defeating Crow in the early results but ultimately having Crow defeat PCP as Jaymie suggested. Eiji is already at the top of his game and is now working even harder. Although it's obvious PCP's color page is really good and would be well-received, I don't think it would be enough to topple CROW entirely.

I also can't believe that I missed that the 木 at the bottom of 架 was missing :darn I need to revise my kanji, obviously. Anyway, Japanese love wordplay like this so I could see this color page doing well. It was also nice to see a couple of pages from PCP once again :)

[perroloco]

@Reclaimer and Saladesu, I can't remember the manga series, but on one of those polls run by WSJ to see which is the most popular character, 2 characters had the exact same number of votes (They tied in that poll), so while it is odd and not likely to happen, it can and has happened.
And from what we have read its not like there are too many voters apparently, IIRC the difference between 1st and 2nd rank was less than 100 votes? So its not like LOTS of people vote for series.

[Reclaimer]

@Reclaimer and Saladesu, I can't remember the manga series, but on one of those polls run by WSJ to see which is the most popular character, 2 characters had the exact same number of votes (They tied in that poll), so while it is odd and not likely to happen, it can and has happened.
The expression "stranger than fiction" applies here. There are things that happen in real life that no one would believe if they happened in fiction.

[sekida]

I think you guys forgot that AM and Eiji tied at 3rd before..
(yeah same number of votes, can't remember which chapter though)

With that, it's possible that Ohba might pull a tie again if he wants to but I'm with saladesu that most likely the real deal result will be like 1 to 9 votes difference in favor of Eiji.

[Reclaimer]

I think you guys forgot that AM and Eiji tied at 3rd before..
(yeah same number of votes, can't remember which chapter though)
If it happened before, I did indeed forget about it. It, however, would be very different in this situation.

[saladesu]

Yup - looks like I forgot about this tie as well :sweat Anyway I found the chapter: chapter 43/44 (ref page (http://www.mangareader.net/219-15615-1/bakuman/chapter-44.html)).

Still, I think a tie here, and then Eiji deciding not to end CROW since he wasn't able to get a pure (?) #1 since it was a tie, would be quite the cop-out. Either way, the chances of a tie are still low - yes, not impossible, but low nonetheless.

[senewe]

You know what, It's ODA who saves the world. He takes back his spot, Crow is number two, PCP number 3 with 3 votes gap. with that Eiji's ambition hasn't surpassed Oda's Brilliance, and AM will still be having some stairs to climb.

[saladesu]

Unlikely. As much as I'm an Oda fangirl myself, this is Bakuman - Bakuman characters will have to be the one to save the day (if at all). Besides, we don't even know if it is even Oda who was the previous #1 before CROW took that spot. It also got knocked all the way down to like, number 5. It would have to suddenly become really awesome to win votes back from where they had been lost to CROW, PCP, GIRI and Seigi no Mikata. Not impossible, but it would make little sense to have someone who has never been so much as introduced before, trumping Eiji at this point.

[ZayCon]

EPIC chapter! Very interesting. Awesome plot. Great cliffhanger!

I see four possible "ending" on this:
A: PCP wins with lots of votes.
B: PCP looses by 1-2 votes and Crow takes first place.
C: PCP looses with a huge gap of votes and Crow takes first place.
D: PCP looses, but Crow doesn't take first place (highly unlikely).
E: PCP and Crow ties on the first place.

[shinobi]

I don't prefer the tie ides too, I'd like a win or lose situation!! but I think that for now, the early results shows that PCP and Crow are close and it's still fluctuating, however the final result will come with PCP winning with a small margin...

[Saint Markus]

Eiji is probably planning to reveal another series, that will top Crow and be more of a challenge for all of them. i bet, that's why he wants to end Crow. or he's fulfilled his dream as a manga artist and wishes to do other things. dude, is only like 16 years old, he still has his whole life ahead of him.

[saladesu]

Eiji already stated that he has no concrete plans for a new series just yet (which is why Fukuda and the rest found it strange that he wanted to end CROW now when he has no 'back-up plan' so to speak). And he's not 16 :sweat At the start of the series (2008) he was 15 (but turned 16 later that year, in November) but it's 8 years later and he's 23 now (2016). Not too late for a career change, of course, but drawing manga truly seems to be his passion, and his gift, so imo it would be a waste if he left the industry.

[sekida]

In early chapters, he wants his "Yellow hit" to be serialized rather than Crow. So, maybe that?

[saladesu]

He was supposed to serialize "Yellow Hit" but insisted on serializing "CROW" instead. I guess that means he does still have the rough story for "Yellow Hit", though if he rejected it in favor of "CROW", he'd need to make some big adjustments to his original idea to make it something as good as or better than "CROW" (knowing his character he wouldn't want to do a manga that isn't).

[saladesu]

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Quick summary of the chapter

Verification: Confirmed
Credits: MRI, saladesu

PCP and GIRI tie at 2nd place, CROW is at 1st place still. Thus, CROW will be ending.

Eiji's already started to write his new series. He wrote a number of stuff and Yuujirou is shocked at the amount and the fact that they're all at CROW's level or even better than CROW.

At the end of the chapter, Eiji declares that his next manga won't just be the best in WSJ, it'll be the best manga the world has ever seen! And of course, he challenges Ashirogi to try and best that.

I'm mostly happy that CROW ended and there wasn't some plothax that allowed someone else to topple the series despite it being so consistently good and Eiji being at the top of his game. I'm not surprised that Eiji has already started on a new series, and it's just so like him to declare that he'll make it the best in the world!

[Reginaemiaumiau]

Argh! why fukuda and ashirogi tie? T.T wont ashirogi win but was two chapters about their plan.. i hoped that it was usefull.

[saladesu]

By the way, the gap between them was pretty small:

Verification: Confirmed
Credits: MRI, saladesu

CROW - 420 votes
GIRI, PCP - 417 votes

In the early results, GIRI was #3.

There was a part where Hattori mentions there was a difference of just 2 votes and thus he expected the final results to be what they were, but it isn't clear if he means that there was a 2 vote difference between CROW and PCP, or between PCP and GIRI. I tend to think the latter.

[Zatono]

NOOO. Why can't Ashirogi ever win....they're going to be like 40 by the time they can get their anime. But seriously, only a couple of votes? The voters be trollin'.

[saladesu]

Bakuman 139 Translation (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/30373)

And with this chapter ends my journey as Bakuman translator (http://mangahelpers.com/t/saladesu/releases/30192) :crying It's been a long and awesome ride, and thanks everyone for all your support, encouragement and all that jazz :glomp I would love to continue to translate this great series, but real life really won't let me. I leave you in the good hands of my successor over at MRI. But fear not, I will still be around on MH, so this is not good bye :)

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(p.p.s: I feel like Eiji after ending CROW)

[jorped]

Okay, i am prolly the only one that is upset, but i hate the fact that eiji seems a god ! I hate the fact that all these previous chapters were to end in something as weak as this . And what i hate more is the fact, that he already as a new awesome manga ready. This manga should portrait the reality, and i don't like it when it starts getting away to unrealistic .