Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

[Jaymie]

http://i53.tinypic.com/33oi907.gif
Toriko (pink)
Naruto (blue)
Gintama (gray)
Beelzebub (red)
Bakuman. (brownish darker red)
Sket Dance (black)
Medaka Box (purple)
Katekyou Hitman REBORN! (yellow)
Bleach (orange)
Kuroko no Basuke (lilac)
Nurarihyon no Mago (dark blue)

Looking at Bleach, you can definitely tell that it plummeted.

Toriko's growth is very impressive.

Nura looks like it plummeted as well. Ouch.

Medaka. Wow, look at those mountains! It sure does love to yo-yo.

Naruto. Sket. Gintama. Bakuman. They're all impressive.

[Haato]

If you want mountains, look at Kuroko no Basuke, Not Medaka!! XD basuke's the dark purple and medaka is the light one, compare the two and the difference is clear :)

[saladesu]

Naruto has been pretty consistent - regardless of the fact that it's "regressed" overall, being able to maintain almost a straight line at the very top is still a feat. Bleach on the other hand... Well, it's obvious that it's going south. Toriko's improvement is impressive, and Sket is another one that's been steadily on the rise. It's a pity that Mago used to pretty consistently be in the top half of the graph but is now more often than not at the bottom :(

[SoulEaterFreak]

Just finished chapter 1 of ST&RS and for me it's way more interessting than any of the other new series. Magico and Ikkyu where the only ones that where good at first, but compared to the first chapter of ST&RS, in my opinion they don't stand a chance. Ikkyu became boring and predictable and when I read magico now it doesn't have the same "air" around it like in the first...7 chapters or so. I'm not saying they're not good mangas, and I still have to read the new one, Harisugawa, but in my (!) opinion ST&RS is the most interessting one of the new series and the one that could go on for a while if both the mangakas continue with the same spirit they had when they worked on chapter 1. (But maybe it's better to wait for a few more chapters...still- chapter 1 is really good.)

[Steffan]

Hi,

I have a question.
Does anyone here who reads Jump know the results of the 47th Treasure Award?

Reason I'm asking is because I entered the contest myself and I don't know if Shueisha bothers contacting people personally. (whether they win a prize or not)
Honestly I don't expect to have won anything, but I put a lot of time into making it so I want to be 100% sure.

The results are supposed to be "early july", so they might already have been published.

If anyone could check for me, that'd be great!I dont think they know the results already but if they come out , the people out here should know :P Oh and good luck , would like to read it XD , do you have a deviant acount of some sort ?

Thanks. :)

I do have a DeviantART account, I'll PM it to you.
I noticed that the results of the 46th contest that were supposed to be announced early June, were announced on June 21st, so I suppose they'll release the results around the same time this month as well.

If anyone has any more info on this, that'd be great!

[ZayCon]

Just read ST&ARS! It was simply amazing! One of the best pilot-chapters I've read in my whole life I think.

Story was good and interesting. The art was awesome, and I fell in love with the characters right away.

[Asgaroth]

not so sure about st&rs. i liked the chapter, but it wasn't so unpredictable at all. i mean what did you expect would happen? magico is quite boring now. the beginning was great with the love and everytime a new ritual thing, but now it is only fighting fighting.

[BlaZin]

Thanks. :)

I do have a DeviantART account, I'll PM it to you.
I noticed that the results of the 46th contest that were supposed to be announced early June, were announced on June 21st, so I suppose they'll release the results around the same time this month as well.

If anyone has any more info on this, that'd be great!

Sorry I don't have any info on that either, but I'd really like to read it too! Could you pm me your info also?

Edit: lol I just realized its probably in japanese, which I can't read, but I'd still love to look at it!

[ruggia]

This graph provides the bit more clear picture for veteran series,
http://i53.tinypic.com/33oi907.gif


ouch the image is gone...can someone re-upload it?

[Mr. Prince]

ouch the image is gone...can someone re-upload it?
Sure! Just grabbed it from the WSJ thread on 2ch:
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/8672/up505480.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/up505480.gif/)

[Oberon]

Harisugawa in Mirror world #1 is now avaible: Click Here (http://www.redhawkscans.com/showthread.php?3236-Kagami-no-Kuni-no-Harisugawa-01-by-Red-Hawk)

Thx to Red-Hawk Scanlation

[Asarii]

The bottom five are all veterans, and the new series are staying afloat (although it's probably because some aren't ranked yet). It's doing so well lately so it would only be time that Toriko would overtake OP. I'm selfishly :( that Oda-sensei is taking a hiatus, but it's for his health.

First it was Magico, and now it's ST&RS that's getting love in this thread. XD

I'm happy about Sket's rising graph but sad that it's the opposite for Mago.

[Kaiten]

I mentioned it in IRC a minute ago, but I really enjoyed chapter 1 of St&rs too. I really like the three leads, they may be typical slice of life characters, but I love slice of life manga. So it is a good fit.

[perroloco]

Haven´t read St&rs.. Hope it doesn´t turn into a figthing manga by chapter 9 XD

[Drmke]

Luckily it's set up to where that can't happen ;) least not so early lol

[Asgaroth]

Luckily it's set up to where that can't happen ;) least not so early lol

are you sure? the following may contain spoiler:
he could be a alien child. thats the reason they came back to get him. he could have super pwer and fight against them or other aliens. thats the reason why he is so absorbed with the space stuff. maybe he was born on mars, that could be the reason for his first words...

just wanted to show, that nothing is impossible for a author.

[Drmke]

Obviously "anything" is possible for an author of any manga since they create the world they are drawing but it wouldn't make any sense for it to turn into a fighting manga so early with how he wrote the first chapter.

[xi0]

I was sort of underwhelmed by the first chapter of ST&RS. I can appreciate what it's trying to be, but I found it sort of predictable. I think it's one of those series that will grow on me.

[Mr. Prince]

I just finished reading Takamagahara and thought it was so-so. There were some parts I really enjoyed, like, for starters it was pretty dark and explicit! (e.g. the bad guy tied girls up in their undies and bra to some sorta "Wheel of [Mis]Fortune", throwing a knife at them in order to decide what to do next: completely undress them, rape them or draw their blood...) The art was also pretty damn nice. The author used different styles for different effects and even had some references to famous paintings, especially from Cubism!

Characters and story were okay, nothing outstanding. The main character's power was quite the downer.

Another thing that really annoyed me were two obvious drawing mistakes which could have easily been avoided. (The main character has a cast on his left arm. There was at least one scene where the arm was flipped and yet another one when the character all of a sudden had no cast at all... :/)

Altogether I'd say it was quite enjoyable nonetheless.

[pein1991]

Another thing that really annoyed me were two obvious drawing mistakes which could have easily been avoided. (The main character has a cast on his left arm. There was at least one scene where the arm was flipped and yet another one when the character all of a sudden had no cast at all... :/)


Good eye! I didn't even notice it until my second viewing.

Though I coulding read it looked quite boring until...

The BIG Knife came out!

[UHU]

Pure rankings:

01. Toriko
02. One Piece
03. Naruto
04. Beelzebub
05. Gintama
06. Hanasaka Ikkyuu
07. Inumaru Dashi
08. Magico
09. Medaka Box
10. Reborn!
11. Enigma
12. Nurarihyon no Mago
13. Kuroko no Basket


Kochikame is not ranked.
Ikkyu... I don't remember if it has more then 8 chapters now. If it does, I will put it in there and apologize.

Where does this idea of "pure ranking" come from?
How come a series needs 8 chapters to be "ranked"?

May I remind everyone that the whole summary of the Jump comes from editorial decisions (based on various things), and not only color pages?

[juUnior]

Many read One Piece, and many that read One Piece surely read Naruto, the number of people reading just Naruto, at least in Japan I think is low. So them coming over to read One Piece might not do much, but I am not sure, maybe they are in larger numbers then I think.
I'm not from Japan, I was surely writing from my own, pl perspective xd Naruto has much more fans than OP = before Dragonball had much more fans than Naruto = ppl were reading only one title <and to this 'community' I was referring to> When manga ended, ppl started to look for sth else to make up for their reading of Dragonball in this case <Naruto>.

[Josl]

How come a series needs 8 chapters to be "ranked"?

If you follow the rankings for a while than you will see that new series are placed randomly in the magazine and that on the 8th week they suddenly fall to the last position. Expect obviously the series who survive.



Where does this idea of "pure ranking" come from?

The Position of Color Pages is fixed. Therefore when a series gets color pages it gets the position where the color pages are. New series are also placed somewhere in the magazine until the 8th chapter. Kochikame is a special series which gets extra treatment and is also placed randomly. Cover is also obviously placed first or somewhere there when another series gets the lead color.
All those series which I just mentioned are excluded from the so called ranking. The other series make up the “pure” ranking
In Japan readers of the magazine send a questionary card back to Jump. In those Cards they choose the 3 series they liked best this week. In Jump they count the votes and place the Series according to those votes. The 8th week rule comes from 2chan where they decided on those rules after years of deduction. We are not 100% sure if they are right because nobody of the editorial staff ever confirmed the rule. The earliest ranking we would see anyway is in 3 weeks anyway because it needs time to count the votes plus produce the magazine.



May I remind everyone that the whole summary of the Jump comes from editorial decisions (based on various things), and not only color pages?
They will never place a series which ranked very bad somewhere at the top and the other way around. At best they would change the ranking one or two positions. However it gives a very good impression about how a series ranked 8 weeks ago.
If the Editorial department has to promote a series they do it with the help of color pages. If there is an anime, game or something else announcement they give it color pages. There is an arc climax for a popular series, they give it a color page.
The rest of the series are placed or at the very least the placement depends on the result of the votes from the readers.

[UHU]

If you follow the rankings for a while than you will see that new series are placed randomly in the magazine and that on the 8th week they suddenly fall to the last position. Expect obviously the series who survive.
Thank you for your answer. I have been following the rankings for 8 years now, so I hope I will help to prove false some of the theories that are going on here.

This "8th week" thing is not confirmed. For example, Dois Sol was 12th on the 7th week, then 14th on the 8th. The change is not that big. Grim was 15th on the 7th week, and 17th on the 8th week. Last example: in 2008, Chagecha was 16th on the 7th week, and then got canceled on the 8th week.

We have no reason to think that new series are placed randomly for as long as 7 weeks, and then ranked. There is no "8 weeks" rule.


The Position of Color Pages is fixed.
No, it isn't, their position can change too.


Kochikame is a special series which gets extra treatment and is also placed randomly.
We have no reason to think so.


In Japan readers of the magazine send a questionary card back to Jump. In those Cards they choose the 3 series they liked best this week. In Jump they count the votes and place the Series according to those votes.
I am well aware of that system, but series are not strictly placed according to those votes, even if they don't have color pages. The votes are one aspect in the decisions, but we cannot consider that even "pure rankings" are a direct reflect of those votes at one time.

Well, Eiichiro Oda said it better than me:

D: Oda-sensei!! My brother says that the order of the manga in Jump is decided by popularity. Is that true? (by Yasumo)

O: That's a fitting suspicion for a Jump reader. Since I get these fairly often, allow me to answer. To be precise, not quite. The order is decided every week by the Jump sub-chief editor. But it's true that the most popular series are placed in the front of the magazine. Also, sometimes he decides, we're pushing THIS one this week! I guess you could say it's the "order you could enjoy the magazine in". But of course, the only TRULY correct answer is to read it in the order YOU want.

When some series get an anime, it usually gets promoted by the editorial staff, which means it will be placed higher, color page or not. A real "pure ranking" would exclude all editorial decisions, so we would not have any "pure ranking" at all, as we cannot know their extent and the real results of votes.


The 8th week rule comes from 2chan where they decided on those rules after years of deduction. We are not 100% sure if they are right because nobody of the editorial staff ever confirmed the rule.
With my own experience, I can tell you it's bogus. We cannot be 100% sure, but in that case, I don't think we can be at least 5 % sure of it. So I think it would be better not to spend too much time on fake theories.


The earliest ranking we would see anyway is in 3 weeks anyway because it needs time to count the votes plus produce the magazine.
I agree with that.


If the Editorial department has to promote a series they do it with the help of color pages.
It's true, but not just with color pages. When Sket Dance got an anime, not only did it get more color pages, but its rankings suddenly got better too. I have many similar examples.

Moreover, color pages can also be proof of popularity.


The rest of the series are placed or at the very least the placement depends on the result of the votes from the readers.
The placement depends on the results of the votes from the readers, but we have to analyze it as it shows us trends. The editorial department often puts popular series first, but that doesn't mean that if manga X is 10th in a week, and Y is 11 in the same week, then X got more votes than Y 8 weeks ago. But if manga X has been 3th on average for a long time, then drops down to 10th on average, here it's significant of something.

To sum up: watching the Jump's summary to know the big trends of popularity in Japan is fine, but watching it like precise TV ratings is useless.

[Estranho]

I have to agree with UHU in this "8th week" stuff. I always questioned that, and no one could never give a ultimate reason to follow this rule.
And I didn't know this Oda's answer, this can say a lot of things to us.

I partially agree with the idea that a series' ranking doesn't represents its popularity entirely. In fact, it's true that a little modification of the editorial department is waited in every week, but I don't think that the difference in the real ranking and the ranking we see are big.
In my opinion, this difference should be around 2, 3, maybe 4 positions; more than that would be strange. And that would explain some facts in the past, like Kuroko's early days, when it always got Color Pages, but its position in the other weeks was pretty low. If the the sub-chief editor wanted to pimp the serie, why put it so low?

That said, I guess this UHU's post will start a pretty good discussion about our way to see the rankings. It's what I wanted to do in the past, but wasn't sucessful.

[Josl]

Thank you for your answer. I have been following the rankings for 8 years now, so I hope I will help to prove false some of the theories that are going on here.

This "8th week" thing is not confirmed. For example, Dois Sol was 12th on the 7th week, then 14th on the 8th. The change is not that big. Grim was 15th on the 7th week, and 17th on the 8th week. Last example: in 2008, Chagecha was 16th on the 7th week, and then got canceled on the 8th week.

We have no reason to think that new series are placed randomly for as long as 7 weeks, and then ranked. There is no "8 weeks" rule.

The Editors have the Rankings already after 2-3 weeks. When a series clearly fails they are going to place it already near the Bottom and when a series doesn’t fail they are going to place it near the top. BUT this isn’t a rule because it happened more than once that a series was “positioned” well during the 7 weeks and then suddenly plumed. I don’t remember which series exactly but someone who does do statics please show him.



No, it isn't, their position can change too.

Yes. I don’t know on which criteria the position of the color pages change but lead color is always first. Then there is a space about 2-4 series, second color, space about 2-5, third color page, space and sometimes a fourth color page.
Fact is that when a bottom series gets a color page it is higher than normal, but after the color page it gets USUALY back to bottom.
Think about it. Why giving it a color page and then give it back to the bottom when you want to promote it?



We have no reason to think so.

There was some kind of proof a few weeks ago but I forgot it. Someone who knows better than me please tell him what it was.



Well, Eiichiro Oda said it better than me:

Bleach is one of the most popular Mangas they have. Where is it now? He can decide to push a certain chapter a certain week but does it only SOMETIMES and only a certain series a certain week.



When some series get an anime, it usually gets promoted by the editorial staff, which means it will be placed higher, color page or not. A real "pure ranking" would exclude all editorial decisions, so we would not have any "pure ranking" at all, as we cannot know their extent and the real results of votes.

I think Magos second season started 3 weeks ago. It got a color page to announce it and where was it the past 2 weeks? If an Anime does push popularity it should start to rise a little 4-6 weeks from now.


With my own experience, I can tell you it's bogus. We cannot be 100% sure, but in that case, I don't think we can be at least 5 % sure of it. So I think it would be better not to spend too much time on fake theories.
After I started to follow the TOC I observed a few series that used to jump in the Rankings. Sometimes a series was ranked really high in the TOC even though nothing exiting happened this week BUT after looking back 8 weeks, something really amazing happened 8 weeks ago
I came to the conclusion even though it wasn’t always 100% accurate it did give a pretty good picture about how the result of the votes were 8 weeks ago
Let’s just watch Bleach. According to Bleach fans the last few chapters were really amazing BUT it did sink continually week after week. It should start to rise soon if those people were right and in 8 weeks it should be especially high because of the lead color if you can trust Bakuman


It's true, but not only with color pages. When Sket Dance got an anime, not only did it get more color pages, but its rankings suddenly got better too. I have many similar examples.

Yes an Anime does push also votes. A bigger Audience starts to follow the series weekly and the votes get higher, therefore the rank gets higher and color pages to promote it further. After an Anime announcement there can be also euphoria under fans who don’t vote for it always and they start to vote more often for it. Plus there can be a real good arc around the time the Anime started. The scanlations were behind at that time so I can’t say exactly if that’s the case for Sket dance. Toriko is a good example for it. At the time the Anime started they introduced the last of the Kings and a really good arc started and soon(8 weeks) after that it started to took the first place.
Once again watch Mago. Second Season started, It got color but since then it is at or near the bottom. If the Anime start does push votes it should start to rise a little bit in the near future.



The placement depends on the results of the votes from the readers, but we have to analyze it as it shows us trends. The editorial department often puts popular series first, but that doesn't mean that if manga X is 10th in a week, and Y is 11 in the same week, then X got more votes than Y 8 weeks ago. But if manga X has been 3th on average for a long time, then drops down to 10th on average, here it's significant of something.

To sum up: watching the Jump's summary to know the big trends of popularity in Japan is fine, but watching it like precise TV ratings is useless.
Like I said already. After analyzing a few series I came to the conclusion that the 8 week rule isn’t 100% accurate but accurate enough. I don’t think anyone does analyze it religiously but most people see it as a trend. Once again lets observe Bleach

[Kaiten]

This discussion will always be a non-starter. There are objective, observable reasons to believe there is an eight issue delay while doubt has always been fueled by nothing more than speculation. The eight week delay was confirmed long ago by the same Shueisha insiders who post the TOC and chapter spoilers. Bakuman described the process of building the TOC in detail, including voting, the schedule for which results are tallied, the results shared with the mangaka, and when they are official enough to be reflected in the TOC. Chart placement for new series also confirm an eight week delay. New series have a relatively fixed place in the middle of the magazine for eight issues. Take Ikkyuu as an example. All new series, except short gag, get front color and cover, so discount chapter 1. After that, Ikkyuu has a true ranking of either fifth or seventh (exact position). After exactly eight issues, this pattern ended, with Ikkyuu dropping to the bottom five for it's first true ranking (issue 31) and rising back to the middle for it's second (issue 32). Please if there is any observable evidence to contradict the eight week delay, do share.

Simply put: kochikame's position reflects how it polls, but it hardly matters. It is one of the five best selling series ever, has a bronze statue dedicated to it in Tokyo, and has run for thirty five uninterrupted years. It will never be canceled, no matter how poorly it ever polls. Kochikame is an institution, one of the most famous manga ever. It would not make any sense to pull the plug after 1500 chapters.

All magazines work the same. The front and the middle are the most visible parts of the publication, thus magazines place lead articles there and charge the most to advertisers. Thus the first series always has colored pages, and another series is given color pages and placed in the center of the magazine. If more than two series have color pages, they are placed based on where Shueisha can charge the most for advertising :)

[Estranho]

The eight week delay was confirmed long ago by the same Shueisha insiders who post the TOC and chapter spoilers

I may be wrong, but aren't the spoilers and ToCs posted by distributors and magazine salers who get the edition before goes to the sale? If it was Shueisha insider, then the ToCs would come some days before they actually came; Sasaki has a pressed copy of the next week's volume 1 or 2 days before the published ToC.

[Mr. Prince]

I may be wrong, but aren't the spoilers and ToCs posted by distributors and magazine salers who get the edition before goes to the sale? If it was Shueisha insider, then the ToCs would come some days before they actually came; Sasaki has a pressed copy of the next week's volume 1 or 2 days before the published ToC.
For most parts, yes. BUT there are times that occasionally people pop up that claim to be insiders from Shueisha/WSJ or know someone from there. They usually announce stuff that will happen several weeks in the future which you simply can't know, if you're not behind the scenes (e.g. information about cuts and new series/author comebacks, weeks ahead, or long term trends for certain series).

I remember, for example, that during One Piece's War on the Summit we had an insider who foretold several events, giving one of Oda-sensei's assistants as his source. Guess what, all those predictions turned out true.

[Kaiten]

We get information that only an insider would know on a weekly basis. We usually know new series in advance of the announcements in magazine. The upcoming color page announcements. Upcoming cancellations. This is not information that would be available just by looking at the current issue.

Someone with some level of knowledge regarding how the TOC works has stated that there is an eight issue delay between the release of a chapter and when it's poll position is reflected in TOC. Obata corroborated the same thing in Bakuman. Looking at chart position also provides some circumstantial evidence for this. While none of the evidence would lead to a conviction in a court of law, it is observable supporting evidence. This debate has raged for years without any observable evidence, circumstantial or not, that could support the argument TOC position is determined in less than eight weeks. Refuting evidence does not admissibly prove a point of view, only cast doubt on another. It can't be the next week. Fans need a reasonable window of time to mail in postcards. There has never even been speculation about an alternate amount of time that it takes, nor any evidence to shed some light on how long it takes.

[UHU]

The Editors have the Rankings already after 2-3 weeks. When a series clearly fails they are going to place it already near the Bottom and when a series doesn’t fail they are going to place it near the top. BUT this isn’t a rule because it happened more than once that a series was “positioned” well during the 7 weeks and then suddenly plumed. I don’t remember which series exactly but someone who does do statics please show him.
Someone can show me a case where it does happen, but I can show you many cases where that doesn't happen in that way. So we cannot draw such conclusions.


Bleach is one of the most popular Mangas they have. Where is it now?
I doubt that Bleach is one of their most popular mangas right now.


Then there is a space about 2-4 series, second color, space about 2-5, third color page, space and sometimes a fourth color page.
Here you acknowledge that it's not fixed.


Why giving it a color page and then give it back to the bottom when you want to promote it?
Temporary editorial decisions, as Oda said it.


I think Magos second season started 3 weeks ago. It got a color page to announce it and where was it the past 2 weeks?
I think it shows us that Mago may be dead meat for the editorial department, and that they don't even want to promote it anymore. But we'll see.


Sometimes a series was ranked really high in the TOC even though nothing exiting happened this week BUT after looking back 8 weeks, something really amazing happened 8 weeks ago
I came to the conclusion even though it wasn’t always 100% accurate it did give a pretty good picture about how the result of the votes were 8 weeks ago
Let’s just watch Bleach. According to Bleach fans the last few chapters were really amazing BUT it did sink continually week after week. It should start to rise soon if those people were right and in 8 weeks it should be especially high because of the lead color if you can trust Bakuman
That's a wrong conclusion. There are cases where nothing amazing happened 8 weeks ago, where something good happened 10 or 6 weeks before, etc. Actually, the first error is to assume that one's opinion on a chapter is shared by Japanese voters. We may not think the same thing as them on the same chapters or arc.


Yes an Anime does push also votes. A bigger Audience starts to follow the series weekly and the votes get higher, therefore the rank gets higher and color pages to promote it further.
Sket Dance got higher when the anime was announced, 6 months before it actually started. Same thing for Bakuman, even if the arc was bad around that time (in my opinion). Same thing for Mago for the first season.


There are objective, observable reasons to believe there is an eight issue delay while doubt has always been fueled by nothing more than speculation.
It is actually quite the contrary. This "8 week" rule comes from speculation, and there is nothing objective to prove it.


Bakuman described the process of building the TOC in detail
Bakuman shows how the real rankings are made, the one we never get. As for the TOC, I don't think its process has been shown in detail. Oda gives us a different story for the TOC, and he's a confirmed insider, not just someone who got its copy of Jump earlier than other people.


Chart placement for new series also confirm an eight week delay.
Actually, no. I already gave you some examples.


New series have a relatively fixed place in the middle of the magazine for eight issues. Take Ikkyuu as an example. All new series, except short gag, get front color and cover, so discount chapter 1. After that, Ikkyuu has a true ranking of either fifth or seventh (exact position). After exactly eight issues, this pattern ended, with Ikkyuu dropping to the bottom five for it's first true ranking (issue 31) and rising back to the middle for it's second (issue 32). Please if there is any observable evidence to contradict the eight week delay, do share.
I will gladly do. Ikkyu's ranking:
1 6 7 7 9 7 7 10 15 10
Well, that does seem stable enough for me.
Let's see some other new series (Magico, Dois Sol, Grim, Sengoku, Enigma, Meister):
1 6 10 11 5 7 5 10 7 10
1 7 10 11 11 5 12 14 16 19
1 6 8 8 12 7 15 17 9 15
1 6 7 8 10 7 11 8 17 18
1 6 10 9 8 9 8 5 11 5
1 7 8 12 13 10 12 17 18 19
As you can see, as soon as chapter 5 we can find differences between rankings. Differences for chapter 7 are obvious, but in your system, you wouldn't consider already ranked. If chapter 7 is ranked according to votes, how could it be, if it's based on 8 chapters ago?


It will never be canceled, no matter how poorly it ever polls.
Do we have some information on the fact that it polls poorly, or are we just speculating? Have we considered that KochiKame has always been popular enough to stay here?


The front and the middle are the most visible parts of the publication, thus magazines place lead articles there and charge the most to advertisers. Thus the first series always has colored pages, and another series is given color pages and placed in the center of the magazine. If more than two series have color pages, they are placed based on where Shueisha can charge the most for advertising
:huh There are no advertising pages behind single color pages...
The only real advertising the Jump has is placed at the beginning or at the end, nowhere in the middle.


Someone with some level of knowledge regarding how the TOC works has stated that there is an eight issue delay between the release of a chapter and when it's poll position is reflected in TOC.

Source?

Obata corroborated the same thing in Bakuman.

Source?


There has never even been speculation about an alternate amount of time that it takes
Do you want me to give one? Then we could say that there are different possibilities.

[ruggia]

Someone can show me a case where it does happen, but I can show you many cases where that doesn't happen in that way. So we cannot draw such conclusions..
I'm sure most of the people here still remembers the infamous "Kuroko treatment" not so long ago.

For quite awhile not-that-long-ago, every time Kuroko hit dead-last or reached the low-Bottom 5, WSJ tried to boost it back up by awarding a color page right after. The cycle of Bottom 5 -> color page -> Bottom 5 -> color page etc continued on for quite a while until Kuroko finally managed to get out of Bottom 5 by itself.
It was quite ridiculous when WSJ "rescued" Kuroko with color pages to save it from the bottom, only to see it go straight back down the next week. It was quite clear that WSJ was promoting Kuroko massively, yet Kuroko remained at the bottom all those times.
If the placements are really used to promote certain series, then WSJ should have just places Kuroko new the beginning (or even towards the middle) instead of always bringing back down after it had a color page.

[Iron21]

I always wondered if the authors in SJ are aware of their own manga rankings every week. I faintly remember the author of Beelzebub, Ryuuhei, commented on one of his colored pages. "In celebration of Beelzebub coming in 2nd place in the rankings." etc..

That's the only time I remember an author in SJ commenting on the rankings. I normally see, "with the surging popularity" or "thanks for support for helping the manga become a hit" in other manga or magazine.

[BlaZin]

I always wondered if the authors in SJ are aware of their own manga rankings every week. I faintly remember the author of Beelzebub, Ryuuhei, commented on one of his colored pages. "In celebration of Beelzebub coming in 2nd place in the rankings." etc..

That's the only time I remember an author in SJ commenting on the rankings. I normally see, "with the surging popularity" or "thanks for support for helping the manga become a hit" in other manga or magazine.

You obviously haven't read Bakuman. It's a great manga and I would recommend reading it. But as for your question, yes the authors are aware of their rankings each week. And even if they weren't aware of how they ranked each week, they would still be able to tell by the TOC, the same as us.

[Iron21]

You obviously haven't read Bakuman. It's a great manga and I would recommend reading it.

lol, only read up to chapter 20 and stopped. Because at that time, there was only 20 chapters released. I just haven't gotten back to it yet, but since it seems like I'm missing out on a lot of stuff. I'll pick it back up soon.

[Negative Syndicate]

It is confirmed that Asou will return once again with one shot on next issue.

[Zeromcd]

Jump Issue 33 Information

Lead CP: Naruto
Cover: Naruto
Center Colour: Golden Future Cup Entry #2 SINS (47Pages), Magico, Gintama,
One shot: Chou Nouryokusha Psychic no Sainan (Asou Shuichi)
Extra Pages: Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa (23Pages)
On Break: One Piece

[Sayaendo]

(ST&RS 1 spoilers)
ST&RS was neat, but the girl is not nearly as likeable as the two MCs.
The setup wasn't perfect (why is one of the most promising young astronomists a principal of a school in a different country? Principal is not a job related to astronomy no matter which school it is. Also "chosen child" setup which is always very depressing. And lastly, decoding such a message should provide humanity with tons of both info and questions about the aliens, none of which were mentioned in the opening announcement), but I still like it. I'm pretty certain that the two MCs will NOT be able to go to Mars in the first appointed date so it'll be interesting to see where that goes.

Can't say much about Harisugawa. It was everything I expected it to be, as a fan of Mx0.

[Asarii]

UHU, just out of curiosity what basis are you forming your arguments from? If it's based on observation alone, we're all on the same boat about how the ranking works. I do find your insights interesting though.


:huh There are no advertising pages behind single color pages...
The only real advertising the Jump has is placed at the beginning or at the end, nowhere in the middle.
I have several copies of JUMP, and it does have colour advertisements in the middle of the magazine. Always between the lead cover and the content, but there are also none in the end.

EDIT: We already have a thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/71284-New-St-rs-byTAKEUCHI-Ryousuke-and-MIYOKAWA-Masaru) for ST&RS so any discussion about the series will be moved there from here onwards.

[UHU]

UHU, just out of curiosity what basis are you forming your arguments from? If it's based on observation alone, we're all on the same boat about how the ranking works.
Of course it's observation, observation of the last 30 years' table of contents. And it's what Oda said too (at that time, he just confirmed what I already thought).

We're all on the same boat, and this is why I'm surprised people make wild assumptions like this "8 week" rule. I just try to remind everyone that we should trust only the most proven things.


I have several copies of JUMP, and it does have colour advertisements in the middle of the magazine. Always between the lead cover and the content, but there are also none in the end.
I have several copies of Jump too, I just checked the eight of them (from 1985 to 2010), and I found no color ad (such as the one usually on page 2) behind single manga color page. The last two pages are ads (after the TOC).

Do you have a picture of such an ad (in context)? Maybe we just misunderstand.

[Finestela]

The 8 week rule is not a wild assumption, but something that was actually said on 2ch by insiders.
Here are a list of "Confirmed Facts" about the ToC compiled by the folks on 2ch:
http://http://wiki.livedoor.jp/utikiri/




【確定】
作品生存はアンケートでの相対評価で決定される
台割り(掲載順)は8週毎にアンケート結果＋αから決定される
＋αは商業的思惑や漫画家のスケジュールとかいろいろ
ただし掲載漫画のページ数が変わる場合や編集の推し等で、
印刷直前まで掲載順の入れ替えが行われる可能性がある(いわゆるシャッフル)
その場合1・2号先まで待つと元の位置に戻ったりする
新連載の掲載順は8週目までは一応決まっているが、アンケがイマイチの場合8週前(補正中)でも難なく入れ替えがきく
それゆえ新連載でも6話あたりから掲載順の入れ替えはあり得る。
つまり補正中でも掲載順が極端に低下した場合は、アンケの結果が悪い可能性を暗示している
編集部の狙いはあくまで小中学生
同人女の票は微々たるもの(人気投票は凄いため、恐らく小中学生の票より軽視されてると思われる)
通常新連載の打ち切りは3週掲載された付近で決定される
円満終了時の場合は最終話までに5～8週分の余裕がある
アンケート集計はその週の中からランダムに1000通選ばれる、アンケ締め切りは金曜日
一枚につき3票で3000票がカウントされる
漫画の原稿は普通、掲載の2週間前までには描き上がる
印刷所に出す締切が金曜日あたり、印刷は翌週の火曜にあがる
女性読者は増えたが普通に読んでる子供読者の方が多い
赤丸で巻頭やCCに載るのは連載経験者(打ち切り後心機一転して書く場合が多い)
最終回近くでもアンケート結果が上がれば、次の連載は早くもらえる(ただし掲載順は上がらない)
つまり最終回(打ち切り)近くにアンケートを出すのは決して無駄ではない

[ruggia]

最終回近くでもアンケート結果が上がれば、次の連載は早くもらえる(ただし掲載順は上がらない)
つまり最終回(打ち切り)近くにアンケートを出すのは決して無駄ではない

Even if it's the last chapter, if the survey results go up, the next serialization will be granted quickly. (However, positioning won't change )
Hence, it's definitely not pointless to send out questionnaire toward the end of the series(axed)

This part is interesting, cause I never thought about it.
So maybe that's why Kano managed to come back so often.

[UHU]

The 8 week rule is not a wild assumption, but something that was actually said on 2ch by insiders.
Here are a list of "Confirmed Facts" about the ToC compiled by the folks on 2ch:

With a good translation of the whole thing, it would be easier to answer you.

But is Eiichiro Oda not an insider enough for you guys?

The voting system is described in Bakuman. Where has the TOC system been described by a confirmed insider (I mean: someone with a name)?

[Finestela]

With a good translation of the whole thing, it would be easier to answer you.

But is Eiichiro Oda not an insider enough for you guys?

The voting system is described in Bakuman. Where has the TOC system been described by a confirmed insider (I mean: someone with a name)?

1. It's not the duty of everyone else in this thread to spend their time "proving" to you what are already known. It is your own responsibility to familiarize yourself with relevant facts before engaging in more in-depth discussions regarding the ToC.
2. What exactly did Oda say that you kept on bringing up? As far as I know, authors themselves are prohibited to talk about the detailed inner works of the editor's department, on the record.
3. The voting system is described in Bakuman, but Bakuman NEVER said anything about how rankings translates to ToC.

[UHU]

2. What exactly did Oda say that you kept on bringing up? As far as I know, authors themselves are prohibited to talk about the detailed inner works of the editor's department, on the record.

Here is what he said (already mentioned here (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/70530-Weekly-Shonen-Jump-2011-Discussion-and-TOC-Talk-Part-1?p=2536866&viewfull=1#post2536866)):

D: Oda-sensei!! My brother says that the order of the manga in Jump is decided by popularity. Is that true? (by Yasumo)

O: That's a fitting suspicion for a Jump reader. Since I get these fairly often, allow me to answer. To be precise, not quite. The order is decided every week by the Jump sub-chief editor. But it's true that the most popular series are placed in the front of the magazine. Also, sometimes he decides, we're pushing THIS one this week! I guess you could say it's the "order you could enjoy the magazine in". But of course, the only TRULY correct answer is to read it in the order YOU want.
I will avoid saying that it's your responsibility to read a discussion before entering it, because such words are unpleasant.


3. The voting system is described in Bakuman, but Bakuman NEVER said anything about how rankings translates to ToC.
Exactly. That was my answer to Kaiten. So we don't have any real source on how the TOC is made, Oda excepted.

[Finestela]

This part is interesting, cause I never thought about it.
So maybe that's why Kano managed to come back so often.

I'm not so sure Kanou is a good example, since, to me at least, he seems to be the "grinder" of the WSJ authors, and literally keeps dishing out name for new series or 1-shots until something pops up that the editors like.

I mean he has 3 tanks of 1-shots under his belt, and almost enough for a 4th.

A better example would be Nishi of Muhyo and Bokke-san. Considering how soon Bokke-san started after Muhyo ended, I'd say he's one of the biggest beneficiary of this policy.

[Mr. Prince]

@UHU
I don't really see how Oda's comment contradicts any of the stuff we had been taking as a base of speculation for this thread. On the contrary, the way I read said SBS (and I think this also comes out quite well in Stephen's TL of it) Oda even affirms most of them!

He says, that popularity DOES mostly decide the TOC order but not solely. The sub-chief editor does final arrangements to the series order, like, when WSJ decides to push a certain series. [I don't like that Stephen used an "also", there is no such expression in the Japanese version. I think it clearly goes back to the "sub-chief editor modifying the ranking" thing in the beginning.]
Well, and how does WSJ usually go about pimping certain series? - Right, by granting them Color Pages.

All that, combined with what has been common sense on 2ch for years (again, there ARE people on 2ch who've proven to be linked to Shueisha/JUMP in some way or other and who shared this information!), makes our take on the TOC pretty comprehensible, if you ask me. :tem
But I really don't wanna force anything onto you. If you want to doubt any of this (confirmed) stuff just because it came from someone who had to stay annonymous in order to keep his job, be my guest. It's just kinda pointless...^^"

[k-dom]

Sure! Just grabbed it from the WSJ thread on 2ch:
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/8672/up505480.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/up505480.gif/)
Since One Piece is missing i added it
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/43/jumptoc10.png


As for the 8 chapters discussion I agree with Mr Prince, I don't see in what way Oda contradicts the current hypothesis.
If you have suspicion about the 8 chapters rules, you can at least see it this way : after 8 chapters it's 99% sure that the ranking is based mostly on reader vote.

[UHU]

Well, and how does WSJ usually go about pimping certain series? - Right, by granting them Color Pages.
Yes, but not only. The editor can also give it a higher rank, without color pages.

I don't want to annoy people out there, but I think I have some arguments. I don't think that challenging established beliefs can be bad for this topic.

I cannot totally contest what's written in that Japanese text, as I don't have a translation of what is said in there. With what Kaiten told me about Ikkyu, I guess this theory assumes that the first chapter ranked is the ninth chapter.

But:

- Chapter 7 of Hoop Men was ranked 18th. #8 was 18, #9 was 18th, #10 was 18th, #11 was 19th... I guess nobody will explain me that Hoop Men was not ranked until chapter 9. It was a failure (it ended after 17 chapters), and we could see it earlier than with the ninth chapter.

- Chapter 7 of Kagijin was ranked 17th, #8 was 20th, #9 was 20th, #10 was 21st, #11 was 21st... It ended after 17 chapters as well. As you can see, chapters 7 and 8 were ranked, contrary to this famous theory.

- Chapter 7 of Light Wing was ranked 17th, #8 was 17th, #9 was 19th, #10 was 17th, #11 was 18th... It ended after 21 chapters. The failure was obvious before chapter 9, and this theory is proven wrong again.

- Chapter 7 of Chagecha was ranked 16th, #8 was 19th and it got canceled. How could it be possible, if it was based on 8 chapters ago?

- Chapter 6 of M&Y was ranked 18th, #7 was 20th, #8 was 20th, #9 was 20th, the tenth and last chapter was 19th.

- Chapter 6 of Jumbor (from Takei) was ranked 18th, #7 was 18th, #8 was 18th, #9 was 18th, the tenth and last chapter was 19th.

- Chapter 6 of KO Sen was ranked 17th, #7 was 21st, #8 was 21st, #9 was 20th, #10 to #12 were 21st. The ninth chapter cannot be the first one to be ranked...

- Chapter 6 of Muddy was ranked 19th, #7 was 19th, #8 was 19th, #9 was 20th, #10 was 19th, #11 was 20th, the last and 12th chapter was 21.

Those are examples from 2007, but I have some other examples for previous years.

It's not just the fact that "insiders" from 2ch may be doubtful. It's not just the fact that Oda says the table of content is decided by decisions from the editor rather than by mere popularity.

It's just that the "8 weeks" theory is proven wrong by facts.

So, why should we bother with it? :p

I hope you get my point.

Now, I am going to explain how I see things. I think it is more consistent with the facts we have, but I will let you judge whether it's relevant or not.

I think that when the sub-chief editor creates the table of content, he makes a decision on each series with two aspect in mind:
- Its current global popularity (not from the votes of one chapter, but from its votes for the last few months for example).
- His will to promote this series, which depends from time to time (as Oda explained it).

Of course, it gives us much less information on the results of the votes, but this is safer this way, and it's more coherent with what happens in the table of content.

A Japanese website makes moving averages of the last 10 issues for each series. I think it is the smartest way to see how series are performing. Big trends are significant, but episodic variations are irrelevant. :amuse

[Josl]

Only that we understand each other. Your point is that because for example chapter 7, 8, 9 of Hoop Men were ranked identically that the 8 chapter rule is “proven” wrong?
But I ask you how does it contradict the 8 week rule?? The rule says that the Editor places the chapter where he sees it fit during the first eight weeks. Can you tell me one good reason why he should place a chapter in the middle or higher when the first three questionary results are really bad for said series??? It would be a waste to give it a higher rank when the series will clearly die.
Or on the contrary, why not give a series which does well in the first 3 questionary results color pages and a higher rank??

The best example I have for the theory is Meister. Look at Meister Rank:
1 7 8 12 13 10 12 17 18 19
Meister came out during a time where they wanted to have a Sports series in the Magazine. So they promoted it by placing it in the middle of the Magazine until last. But on the 8th week when the rankings took over it plumed. This is why people say that the ranking of the first 7 chapters CAN give an indication about the survival of a series BUT it is random until the 8th chapter.

[Rejuvenation]

lol talk about being obstinate.

I don't see the point in crusading about something that ultimately doesn't change much of anything from an observational standpoint and has been backed up with insider statements. All that is being said that after a certain threshold gets reached, a series is more or less on its own to survive in Jump unless the editors try to force it down their readers' throats. Which has been proven true again and again. Being so bothered by people saying that threshold is "8 weeks" is silly. There is stuff that died before 8 weeks. Chagecha for instance. But that doesn't change the fact that more often than not, once a certain threshold gets hit we more or less see the same pattern occurring several times a year. Which more or less starts happening close to when a series has been in the magazine around 8 weeks.

Debating about if its "exactly" 8 weeks or "around" 8 weeks or "nothing happens close to 8 weeks" is trivial and comes off as horribly nitpicky for no reason.

[UHU]

Only that we understand each other. Your point is that because for example chapter 7, 8, 9 of Hoop Men were ranked identically that the 8 chapter rule is “proven” wrong?
But I ask you how does it contradict the 8 week rule?? The rule says that the Editor places the chapter where he sees it fit during the first eight weeks. Can you tell me one good reason why he should place a chapter in the middle or higher when the first three questionary results are really bad for said series??? It would be a waste to give it a higher rank when the series will clearly die.
Or on the contrary, why not give a series which does well in the first 3 questionary results color pages and a higher rank??
I'm glad that you understand each other. Clearly, I don't understand you.

You are telling me that as soon as the votes results are in, it's not random anymore, which is proven by bad ranking when the new series fails, and by a higher rank when it succeeds. I agree with that. But it negates that 8 weeks rule.

If editors have the votes' results in less than 8 weeks, why should they wait until the ninth week to adapt the table of content or the way they place series?


This is why people say that the ranking of the first 7 chapters CAN give an indication about the survival of a series BUT it is random until the 8th chapter.
How could it give indication if it's random? That doesn't make any sense.


lDebating about if its "exactly" 8 weeks or "around" 8 weeks or "nothing happens close to 8 weeks" is trivial and comes off as horribly nitpicky for no reason.
I'm sorry if you don't enjoy this conversation, but seeing how folks here were so serious about this stuff (with things like "pure ranking"), I just wanted to correct some mistakes.

[Kaiten]

There is stuff that died before 8 weeks. Chagecha for instance.

Chagecha actually lasted exactly eight chapters. Anything less and there would not have been enough pages for a tankobon.

---------- Post added at 02:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:02 PM ----------

Kanou's new series is scanlated! The first two chapters were good but not great, there is a lot of potential though. The premise is interesting, if the characters end up being interesting enough this could be a really fun series.

[Jaymie]

If editors have the votes' results in less than 8 weeks, why should they wait until the ninth week to adapt the table of content or the way they place series?

To give new series eight weeks before the hourglass of death begins. The results are delayed eight weeks so that new series have a chance to get a volume's worth of material in good spots in the magazine for the readers to get a taste of before they're banished to the back of the magazine.

It would be awful for a new series' second chapter to be in last place in the TOC because the first chapter did poorly. If it didn't stand a chance before, the fact that hardly anyone will read the second chapter would guarantee that it would get cut.

[Rejuvenation]

Chagecha actually lasted exactly eight chapters. Anything less and there would not have been enough pages for a tankobon.



I guess I should modify my statement a bit then and say the decision to kill it clearly came before 8 weeks had passed. But you are indeed correct about that.

[Akainu]

I think it's an interesting and no less refreshing point UHU makes - and brings facts for.

What it does not do is negate that after enough material for a tank is out, the manga is in the wilderness called JUMP and has to prove its worth.
It much more tells us - or well at least that's my opinion on that - tells us that a really bad rating has such an influence on the editors that it will shine through their decision in putting it down early on. maybe that's trying to warn the fans that it needs more votes? I don't know about their motivation, but it surely is influenced and NOT as black and white as it often comes off.

[Kaiten]

Jump has never hidden that reader feedback is the most important metric used to determine whether a series remains in the magazine. Series that poll poorly can be canceled before the first tankobon is even released. Generally a new series has one business quarter (12-15 issues) to prove it has fan support. Shueisha is proud of this, promoting the fact that what the readers think actually matters. The reality is that Jump maintains a ruthless business model, they want to be sure that any weak links are removed. All magazines poll their readers and include feedback postcards. But none put as much stock in them as Jump. The only aspect they are not totally open about is how votes are weighted. It could well be that everyone's vote is counted equally. Or it could be that Jump weights vote so that they are sure that the majority of series appeal to their core audience (boys, 12-15).

Only series with released tankobon can be used in shades of gray. Series that drop to the bottom five immediately and stay there are canceled quickly, without fail. But once volumes are released, money is involved and all bets are off. For series with enough volumes, if they turn a profit, but can't get out of the bottom five, Shueisha may look into alternatives. To Love Ru was moved to SQ, JoJo's to Ultra Jump, Captain Tsubasa to Young Jump, etc. Money talks and bull shit walks: if a series sells more than 500,000 copies per volume it's going to be published somewhere. Even series that sell more moderately can extend there life a bit. Psyren polled poorly for ages but had moderate enough sales that it lasted three years. Wasn't worth moving to another magazine, but it still managed to last over a year, a huge accomplishment in Jump.

[Nayrael]

I'm sorry if you don't enjoy this conversation, but seeing how folks here were so serious about this stuff (with things like "pure ranking"), I just wanted to correct some mistakes.

Seriously, you are in a tread created to discuss ranking based on what we see in a ToC... of course we are serious to some extent... tough ironically, people who challenge the current set of rules are more serious then those who accept it -_-

We don't take Manga's that have Color Page's in the issue because it is obvious that they are not ranked equally: a Manga can't have a chapter at the bottom for weeks, then have it near the top and for next few weeks have it at bottom again. That makes it obvious that these chapters are not ranked.

There has been a lot of arguments about Kochikame: some say it is not even ranked while some say it is. But since it will obviously never be forced into cancellation, it is not considered ranked, even if it is actually ranked.
Same could be said by best-sellers (like OP, Bleach, Naruto...) I guess but people are actually interested in how well they are doing so we put them in. Also, bad ranking may explain some events in story to some more hard-core fans of those Manga's because it is possible for Editorial Department to make the Mangaka end the arc, change this, change that, etc. For that reason, we consider it ranked.

As far as 8 chapters issue goes... honestly, you are far, far more serious about this. 8 chapters or around is when a series usually starts to get ranked. It is also possible for some series to start getting ranked sooner or later: the number may not be equal for every Manga. Hell, if it is the same, the Editorial Department can suddenly change the number... and then change it again later.
The only thing we know is that number is higher then 2 (because when readers have their issue in hands, next issue and its Toc must be finished... when votes are counted, another issue must be finished by then).
However, for a tread where ratings are discussed, we need an approximate number as we are not serious enough to check for every Manga when it should be considered ranked. And for various reasons, 8 is the number we use. Unless there is a VERY GOOD reason to change it, it should stay like that to make it simpler.

Can the Editorial Department not show actual ranking? Of course it can. ToC is just based upon it. However we can't know when they change the ranking nor how much they change the ranking. So since we can't predict it, we don't even consider that element.

In summary, this tread exists to discuss approximate ranking based on ToC. The current set of rules gives us good enough approximate picture of the rankings so we accept them. This tread is there to make it easier for us to predict future of Manga we read (not just based on ToC, but also Tankobon sales, current issues, state of the magazine, etc.) and as long as our predictions aren't terribly wrong more often then almost correct, there is no reason for change.

[Finestela]

UHU, I was expecting something that's going to blow everyone away, but instead you quoted from the SBS...

Just so you know, what Oda said is EXACTLY THE SAME as the "accepted fact" in the list that's been around for a lot of years now:




台割り(掲載順)は8週毎にアンケート結果＋αから決定される
＋αは商業的思惑や漫画家のスケジュールとかいろいろ
ただし掲載漫画のページ数が変わる場合や編集の推し等で、
印刷直前まで掲載順の入れ替えが行われる可能性がある(いわゆるシャッフル)
その場合1・2号先まで待つと元の位置に戻ったりする



"Pushing" from the editors is specifically written in there, along with commercial considerations, artist scheduling, change in number of pages, etc.

ToC is used as rankings here because unless you're a mind reader, you have no way in knowing which ones are being pushed and which ones are not. Unless in certain cases, such as well known fact on the artist barely/not making the deadline (e.g. Hunter, Shaman King, ToLoveRu), there is no reason to assume otherwise.

The "official" ranking for a new series starts on Chapter 9, but if it's doing badly, editors will almost always place it near the back as sort of a reminder for the loyal readers, as early as Chapter 5 or 6. Therefore, while the pre-ch.9 ToC position isn't its true ranking, it can still be used as something to determine whether a new series is doing "ok" or "poorly".

[xi0]

There is also the matter of when a series is an obvious hit (by popularity or among the editorial staff), and gets a third color page somewhere after chapter 8. I would be almost 100% certain that no series gets a third one prior to chapter 8, unless of course it's from a popular, returning author, but don't quote me on that.

[Koen]

There is also the matter of when a series is an obvious hit (by popularity or among the editorial staff), and gets a third color page somewhere after chapter 8. I would be almost 100% certain that no series gets a third one prior to chapter 8, unless of course it's from a popular, returning author, but don't quote me on that.

Sorry got to quote you on that

AND gets cancelled afterwards when it is near 20-30 chapters. *cough* double arts *cough* The series was pimped and it had proven that right since its ratings were initially very good. It dropped afterwards.

Imo, whatever the editors decide to do. On the long term, it is still readers who kill or let a series live

[xi0]

Well I meant hit as in popularity with readers at the very least. But yeah, that doesn't necessarily imply it having staying power.

[Asgaroth]

oh come on... this discussion is boring and why must everyone single one of you write 5000words to explain the same to just one guy? be serious...

what do you think about ST&RS ch2?


Didn't like the second one, to much less important stuff at the beginning. wasted most of the 23 pages. like the ending, thought a bit about enigma, because of this test attitude with special powers =)


Please discuss the ST&RS chapter here (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/71284-New-St-rs-byTAKEUCHI-Ryousuke-and-MIYOKAWA-Masaru) next time, thanks.

[Maxy Barnard]

goodness yes can we just get back to discussing the TOC and the quality of the series within? Cause c'mon, as much as we can debate and um and ah, our system of understanding for the TOC is long-running, and has our basis in stuff, as proven. We know this. So let's talk about something fun like HOW MUCH I HOPE ST&RS DOES WELL!

Both St&rs and Kano's new series have potential, with one throwing a ton of info at you CONSTANTLY (Which I like but is polarising) and the other being... well, a Kano series, so... fanservice and solid gags alongside incredibly light drama.

I wouldn't expect long runs out of either at present, but if they built upon themselves well from here... ooh the mind boggles

[Kaiten]

Kanou's new series is okay, it only has as much potential as the leads. If they prove to be interesting, it will be a good series. It's still to early to say if either will be more than stock RomCom characters, but I think there is some potential. It will at least be worth reading the first volume. St&rs has really connected with me. I love the premise, love the characters and love the writing. I thought chapter two was really creative. The mangaka thankfully dispensed with the intro's after one chapter and moved right into the plot. Well done.

Hard to predict how either will poll. Series can't be discounted because they are not action, fans have shown they will vote for other genres time and again. Look at 2007, only three series lasted a year: Samurai Usagi, Yusha Gaku, and Sket Dance . Not one was typical, Jump action. The only genre that seems to be doomed from the start is sports. It would not surprise me if St&rs and Harisugawa debuted in the middle.

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Sorry got to quote you on that

AND gets cancelled afterwards when it is near 20-30 chapters. *cough* double arts *cough* The series was pimped and it had proven that right since its ratings were initially very good. It dropped afterwards.

Imo, whatever the editors decide to do. On the long term, it is still readers who kill or let a series live

I'm not sure if Double Arts was pimped. In 2008-2009 giving a series extra color early seemed to be standard procedure, unless a series debuted in the bottom five. Mago had it's third color page at chapter eight, Double Arts at seven, Toriko at six, Bakuman at eleven, Kuroko at chapter nine, Bokkesan at seven, Beelzebub at nine, Ane Doki at nine. They seemed to drop this practice by the middle of 2009 though. But I guess anything that started after Beelzebub was either canceled early or got off to a rocky start (Shinigami and Medaka Box).

[k-dom]

btw how come there has been this inflation on the color page? 10 years ago it was more one or zero central color in addition to the front cover, now we can get 3 of them regularly

[SSJWill4]

I'm not sure if Double Arts was pimped. In 2008-2009 giving a series extra color early seemed to be standard procedure, unless a series debuted in the bottom five. Mago had it's third color page at chapter eight, Double Arts at seven, Toriko at six, Bakuman at eleven, Kuroko at chapter nine, Bokkesan at seven, Beelzebub at nine, Ane Doki at nine. They seemed to drop this practice by the middle of 2009 though. But I guess anything that started after Beelzebub was either canceled early or got off to a rocky start (Shinigami and Medaka Box).

Double Arts did get a second cover for it's 13th chapter. The only other series to get another cover so quickly in recent memory was Toriko for its 12th chapter, so I'd say it was pimped a little bit more than most new series. Either way it's a shame that it's gone. :(

[Jaymie]

A second cover = crazy pimpin'. Most series don't even get another cover until their one-year anniversary.

Double Arts had everything going for it :(. Thinking about that series makes me so sad.

[Asarii]

oh come on... this discussion is boring and why must everyone single one of you write 5000words to explain the same to just one guy? be serious...


goodness yes can we just get back to discussing the TOC and the quality of the series within? Cause c'mon, as much as we can debate and um and ah, our system of understanding for the TOC is long-running, and has our basis in stuff, as proven. We know this. So let's talk about something fun like HOW MUCH I HOPE ST&RS DOES WELL!

Members are free to discuss whatever they like in this thread as long as it relates to the topic, which it did. Even though the majority of us know how the rankings work, there will always be those who aren't sure or have doubts. :)[hr]
I love the concepts of ST&RS, but it's still too early for me to decide if this will be a long-term thing personally and publicly (?). Jump readers are fickle so it's unpredictable if they would take a liking to it. (Think: Yotsuya Senpai) I hope they'll like it though!

[murtas]

I think stars will rank pretty good with a start like this, i don't know where it will go, so the staying power is still unknown!

[Zeromcd]

Shounen Jump Issue 33 Cover Thanks to Sakaki's Twitter

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n482/zeromcd/naruto.jpg

[Kaiten]

I like the new cover. The reflection in the headband is a nice touch.

[Newkerzy]

I think the preview seems to confirm that Tsunade is indeed going to be in the frontlines in this movie.

[Oberon]

94 名前：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2011/07/20(水) 18:04:01.38 ID:YW3BAFhrP
ジャンプ表紙ナルト
巻頭ナルト　サスケ　ナルトがスイカ食べながらカブトムシ相撲見てる　サスケ縁側でラムネ飲んでる

ナルト
トリコ
スケット
バクマン
リボーン
銀魂　Ｃ
スターズ
べるぜ
ＳＩＮＳ　Ｃ
いぬまる
マジコ　Ｃ
鏡の国　Ｃ
斉木
ブリーチ
めだか
こち亀
黒子
エニグマ　←忘れてた。ごめんね。
ぬらり
花咲

34号　こち亀巻頭
バクマン　Ｃ
黒子　Ｃ
ツキミのソバ　Ｃ

Jump #33 (25/07):
Naruto (Cover & Lead Color)
Toriko
Sket Dance
Bakuman
Reborn!
Gintama (Color Page)
ST&RS
Beelzebub
-SINS- (Color Page, GFC Entry #2, 47 pg.)
Inumaru Dashi
Magico (Color Page)
Harisugawa in Mirror world (23 pg.)
Chou Nouryokusha Psychic no Sainan (One Shot by Asou Shuichi)
Bleach
Medaka Box
Kochikame
Kuroko no Basket
Enigma
Nurarihyon no Mago
Hanasaka Ikkyuu
One Piece (Absent)

#34:
Kochikame (Lead Color)
CP: Bakuman, Kuroko no Basket, Tsukimi no Soba (GFC Entry #3)

[Nayrael]

Pure rankings:

01. Toriko
02. Sket Dance
03. Bakuman
04. Reborn!
05. Beelzebub
06. Inumaru Dashi
07. Bleach
08. Medaka Box
09. Kuroko no Basket
10. Enigma
11. Nurarihyon no Mago
12. Hanasaka Ikkyuu

ST&RS: 5 more chapter till it enters the Ranking Race
Harisugawa in Mirror World: 6 more chapters till it enters the Ranking Race

[naruto-niichan]

Why is Mago still so low? I don't get it, the last few chapters have been fairly interesting and enjoyable :( yet Reborn with it's completely chliche and disappointing last chapters is up there, totally undeserved in my opinion. It would be a shame to see Mago go now that it gets interesting again.

Sad to see "Enigma" and "Hanasaka" so low. Enigma should be able to rise because the E-Test's coming to a conclusion but now that Hanasaka has crashed to the bottom I fear it won't be able to recover.

The rest is fine with me, I'm looking forward to how long Toriko will be able to stay number 1 :amuse

[NANAhashi]

The thing is getting better for bleach, even just a bit. :P

Dat Harisugawa, sry, but I hope it will gone as soon as possible. I'm totally rooting against this one.

Mago is really difficult to say...its selling is quite good, but the ranking is another thing. Not mention that Jump is lacking for the cushion rightnow, so...

Btw, shell I prepare myself and say goodbye to Ikkyu. ;_;

[Mr. Prince]

Lol... Kubo is probably popping'em corks right now. That's his best result in ages, reason enough to kick up his heels. :tem

Aside from my amusement routine: amazing week for Sket! And well deserved on top of that. The top 3 are altogether quite refreshing this week.
Ikkyuu is a goner, last week really gave us false hopes. Free fall to rock-bottom is saying a lot...

[Asgaroth]

Btw, shell I prepare myself and say goodbye to Ikkyu. ;_;

the chapters after the first were quite boring, even the recent chapter are boring. what a shame that i didn't go well.

hopefully enigma will survive, we need a superpowers suspense manga. mirror world and st&rs are great too currently. would be great if reborn, maga, bleach would end soon, because they had their chance and only freeze important slots for new great mangas.

medaka is good, but it should hurry to it's conclusion, not be stretched out with another arc.

[Divinenega]

Darn it Enigma, rise back up from the ashes!! Though hopefully the e-test climax will see a swift rise back up through the rankings.

Sort of sad to see things looking bad for Ikkyu as well, but between the two, Ikkyu is more expendable in my mind. Also sort of wish Bleach would go back to the bottom 5 as it deserves to be for this arc, but Mago looks screwed. At this rate once the second season of the anime ends, it;s a goner.

Medaka not being in the bottom 5 and Reborn being in the top 5 sort of please me, but then Reborn hasn;t been at top quality lately so I suppose I can;t take much satisfaction in that.

[Rejuvenation]

I said #1 would go to Toriko or Bakuman last week and it wasn't hard to guess that Toriko would indeed take it. However, Sket Dance grabbing #2 really did surprise me. The anime is doing wonders for its rankings and with so much content to be covered it should be set for at least the next 2 years I imagine. Bakuman taking the #3 spot is cool with me. I love this top 3 this week even if its influence by One Piece being absent and Naruto having color. Reborn hasn't deserved a top 5 spot since somewhere back in the earlier parts of The Future Arc imo but for some reason there it is.

Medaka was close to escaping the bottom 5. It isn't in the worst spot right now but just for peace of mind I'd ideally like it to keep on staying a couple of spots out of it. Especially since the rest of the year is going to be very rough I believe. Bleach barely misses the bottom 5 by one spot. I guess we can call that an improvement lol.

Well, Ikkyu has had quite the fall this week. Last place is rough. Lets see if it can recover next week or if it becomes the new cushion for everything else in the magazine. Mago is still struggling. If the second season of the anime doesn't help to raise its future rankings it should be interesting to see what Jump decides to do with it. Enigma has been struggling as of late too. Its not in a good position right now. Its either going to have to rise up out of the bottom 5 or hope that one of the new series starts ranking worse than it has been the last couple of weeks.

lol I almost forgot about Kuroko still visiting the bottom 5 more frequently as of late. I'm looking to see what Jump is planning on doing with this in the near future. Is it being shopped around to get its anime soon? It will be 3 years old in December after all. Or will it just continue to be the token sports series and retain its immunity. The color page next week looks to confirm the latter haha.

[Divinenega]

I said #1 would go to Toriko or Bakuman last week and it wasn't hard to guess that Toriko would indeed take it. However, Sket Dance grabbing #2 really did surprise me. The anime is doing wonders for its rankings and with so much content to be covered it should be set for at least the next 2 years I imagine. Bakuman taking the #3 spot is cool with me. I love this top 3 this week even if its influence by One Piece being absent and Naruto having color. Reborn hasn't deserved a top 5 spot since somewhere back in the earlier parts of The Future Arc imo but for some reason there it is.

Medaka was close to escaping the bottom 5. It isn't in the worst spot right now but just for peace of mind I'd ideally like it to keep on staying a couple of spots out of it. Especially since the rest of the year is going to be very rough I believe. Bleach barely misses the bottom 5 by one spot. I guess we can call that an improvement lol.

Well, Ikkyu has had quite the fall this week. Last place is rough. Lets see if it can recover next week or if it becomes the new cushion for everything else in the magazine. Mago is still struggling. If the second season of the anime doesn't help to raise its future rankings it should be interesting to see what Jump decides to do with it. Enigma has been struggling as of late too. Its not in a good position right now. Its either going to have to rise up out of the bottom 5 or hope that one of the new series starts ranking worse than it has been the last couple of weeks.

lol I almost forgot about Kuroko still visiting the bottom 5 more frequently as of late. I'm looking to see what Jump is planning on doing with this in the near future. Is it being shopped around to get its anime soon? It will be 3 years old in December after all. Or will it just continue to be the token sports series and retain its immunity. The color page next week looks to confirm the latter haha.

Well I think that if Enigma's recent low rankings have something to do with readers getting a bit tired of the e-test arc then it should rise back up pretty quickly. If not than it may be in for a bumpy ride for a while...though I think it should be safe into it;s first year anniversary.

As for Kuroko getting an anime, I think that if it was gonna happen, JUMP would have already pushed for it. I guess they don;t see the series as THAT much of an investment. On that note we haven;t confirmed that Medaka Box gainax adaption either, but by process of elimination it;s next in line for an anime anyway so it should hopefully get an official announcement at some point.

[3c]

Well Bleach is at least out of the bottom 5. It's to be expected, the arc has finally turned into something and is getting quite interesting. The rank should only get better from this point.

[Westlo]

They'll be silly to cancel Mago, going by Jumps track record of late the chances of them finding something that sells as good as Mago is to be blunt, fuck all. Nothing they've serialized since Mago has outsold it except Bakuman and Toriko (and they're fairly even) which were around the same time period. Not to mention that Mago was the 9th best selling series of 2010 (the anime making all the older volumes sell) and for the first half of 2011 it's 12th. (I'm sure Sket Dance and Ao no Exorcist will overtake it though)

You replace it with what? Enigma that took 3 volumes to even show up in the charts? Shinagami which had a ceiling of 30k opening weeks after 9 volumes? Psyren that could barely break 50k after 18 volumes? Multiple series that die before the first tank even gets released?

Worst case scenario it gets moved. They should just ride with it and see the response to the new arc, as far as profits from tanks go (which is where the money is!) they won't get anything better than Mago....


Medaka not being in the bottom 5 and Reborn being in the top 5 sort of please me, but then Reborn hasn;t been at top quality lately so I suppose I can;t take much satisfaction in that.

It's in the bottom 5 like last week, but it was also 9th and 8th in those two weeks.... it should be fine.. it had 3 weeks in a row @ 6, was 9th or whatever, had a color and than 9th and 8th with a color to come due to the character poll results. It's also around nearly a 150k seller.. and more than likely will get an anime... I know I'll rather be in Medaka's position than Enigmas atm.

[StrangerAtaru]

Weird week with OP out and Naruto color. Toriko taking first sort of feels expected by this point strangely though, with Sket being in 2nd really showing it's recent strength since the start of it's anime. Ikkyu's collapse...heh, well it's been another tough year for newbies. And Bleach...well it still has support from some in the community but something tells me it's glory days are still over and it could just ride comfortably in the middle of the magazine for a while.

[Jaiden82]

Finally Bleach is out of the bottom. Very surprised that Reborn is 3rd, so am happy. Mago is still low, that sucks. And I knew that Ikkyuu was going to end up at the bottom sooner or later, I just knew it.

[7sun]

Woohaa Sket Dance 2. place :D I'm really happy with that.
I hope enigma is better next week :/ It's so a nice manga.
In my opinion is reborn! a little bit too high. I think that was the Hibari Chapter, or?
Like the Cover too! Even with images from the movie.

[Divinenega]

They'll be silly to cancel Mago, going by Jumps track record of late the chances of them finding something that sells as good as Mago is to be blunt, fuck all. Nothing they've serialized since Mago has outsold it except Bakuman and Toriko (and they're fairly even) which were around the same time period. Not to mention that Mago was the 9th best selling series of 2010 (the anime making all the older volumes sell) and for the first half of 2011 it's 12th. (I'm sure Sket Dance and Ao no Exorcist will overtake it though)

You replace it with what? Enigma that took 3 volumes to even show up in the charts? Shinagami which had a ceiling of 30k opening weeks after 9 volumes? Psyren that could barely break 50k after 18 volumes? Multiple series that die before the first tank even gets released?

Worst case scenario it gets moved. They should just ride with it and see the response to the new arc, as far as profits from tanks go (which is where the money is!) they won't get anything better than Mago....



It's in the bottom 5 like last week, but it was also 9th and 8th in those two weeks.... it should be fine.. it had 3 weeks in a row @ 6, was 9th or whatever, had a color and than 9th and 8th with a color to come due to the character poll results. It's also around nearly a 150k seller.. and more than likely will get an anime... I know I'll rather be in Medaka's position than Enigmas atm.

Well I don;t think any of us seriously think Mago will be eliminated altogether, but odds are it will be moved to SQ if it doesn;t get up out of the bottom 5, even with the anime running.

I also agree that Enigma's not in a very good position at the moment, but I still think it;s safe for a bit with Ikkyu apparently being a cushion for a while. We do have to remember though, that Enigma is a really non-mainstream series by a new author so it;s no mystery that it;s still trying to find an audience as far as tank sales go. If it survives long enough to get an anime I think it might end up exploding in popularity as far as tank sales go like with AnE and FMA. I just hope these recent visits to the bottom 5 will be brief.

[Rejuvenation]

Well I think that if Enigma's recent low rankings have something to do with readers getting a bit tired of the e-test arc then it should rise back up pretty quickly. If not than it may be in for a bumpy ride for a while...though I think it should be safe into it;s first year anniversary.

As for Kuroko getting an anime, I think that if it was gonna happen, JUMP would have already pushed for it. I guess they don;t see the series as THAT much of an investment. On that note we haven;t confirmed that Medaka Box gainax adaption either, but by process of elimination it;s next in line for an anime anyway so it should hopefully get an official announcement at some point.

I don't read it so I can't judge it based on its current merits. I just know that its best bet is to be a spot or two out of the bottom 5 to keep itself going. At least until HxH ends up going away.

I could have said the same thing about Sket Dance a year ago before it got its anime. Once a manga reaches a certain amount of chapters and assuming its not going on a dead last streak, the potential for an anime is there. I have never particularly championed Kuroko(quite the opposite for most of its run) but it has the chapter count and sales to warrant an adaption. Whether that takes 3 years or nearly 4 like Sket remains to be seen.

Pretty much agreed that Medaka would realistically be the next in line. Nothing else besides Kuroko has enough content for one.

[Jaymie]

Enigmaaaaaa... :( It's a good sign that it didn't crash and burn, though. Ikkyu's not going to be canceled for another couple of weeks, so Enigma is safe for now.

Things aren't looking good for NuraMago. Or Harisugawa. It isn't even ranked yet and it's starting to drop in the ToC. That's usually an indication that it's going to tank. I don't particularly care though.

Bleach rose a bit, but it's still considerably low. I'm too lazy to see which chapter this ranking reflects, but Kubo got a lucky break.

[Teeba]

I thought we had decided Mago was the new D.Gray-man of Jump? D.Gray-man lasted a bit longer before it was moved too. =P

I find it interesting Reborn yo-yos from the bottom five to the top five on a regular basis.

Somehow, I thought Beelzebub would be higher considering the chapters that are being ranked, though five is a pretty good spot to be!

[saladesu]

So Bleach is out of the bottom 5. Not too far out of it but better than nothing I guess.

It's a pity that Ikkyuu's bombing already - I thought it had potential but reading the newer chapters I have to agree it's not really living up to its potential as much as I'd hoped. It looks like it will turn out to be the cushion. ST&RS may not be ranked yet but hopefully its relatively high position on the TOC is a good sign ;)

Still sad to see Mago ranked so low, I thought it'd begin to pick up about now :( It should still be safe at least until the second anime season ends, plus a new arc has just begun, so here's hoping that things will pick up before it's too late :x As everyone has said, Mago sells well and despite its low TOC placings, it certainly would not be a cost-effective move to cancel it. Tankoubons are what make money, not the magazine itself.

[Nayrael]

I thought we had decided Mago was the new D.Gray-man of Jump? D.Gray-man lasted a bit longer before it was moved too. =P

D.Gray-man was quite likely moved because the Mangaka got injured and even now seems to have issues with it... so I am not sure we should use D.Gray-man as an example.

[Drmke]

Screw Jump readers >.> Three of the best manga in the magazine are the bottom three...while generic crap like Kuroko and Magico get more and more color pages. And people saying Jump won't cancel Mago are pretty wrong, Mago hasn't been running long enough for them to be attached enough not to just kill it. Nothing more to say about this except that this ToC has officially ruined my day.

:(

[Jaymie]

Ikkyu now has 11 chapters, right? So there should be another 7 weeks left of it. By that time, Harisugawa will be ranked (if it tanks, that's another 7 week buffer), and Hiatus x Hiatus will be back in the magazine (a 10-20 week buffer right there).

I think Enigma and NuraMago are going to catch a lucky break this time around.

[Divinenega]

Ikkyu now has 11 chapters, right? So there should be another 7 weeks left of it. By that time, Harisugawa will be ranked (if it tanks, that's another 7 week buffer), and Hiatus x Hiatus will be back in the magazine (a 10-20 week buffer right there).

I think Enigma and NuraMago are going to catch a lucky break this time around.

Actually nothing may have to be axed when HxH comes back. The Golden Future Cup entries are taking up an extra slot so HxH will probably have that one. Hopefully by the time new series show up again Enigma and Mago will be a bit safer.

[Negative Syndicate]

Actually nothing may have to be axed when HxH comes back. The Golden Future Cup entries are taking up an extra slot so HxH will probably have that one. Hopefully by the time new series show up again Enigma and Mago will be a bit safer.

I'm not sure about that. I think there also going to be new series when HxH will start. So, I think it is possible that one or two series will end/cancel.

[Divinenega]

I'm not sure about that. I think there also going to be new series when HxH will start. So, I think it is possible that one or two series will end/cancel.

Well that might be a problem. Guess I should really hope Enigma gets out of the bottom five fast...

[Negative Syndicate]

Well that might be a problem. Guess I should really hope Enigma gets out of the bottom five fast...

Well, I think Golden Future Cup has taken two empty spaces. So, my prediction is Golden Future Cup one shots and one series (so far, most likely Ikkyuu) will be out, then HxH and two new series will be in; so, based on my prediction, Enigma will be safe.

[xi0]

Wait, so the first OneShot in the GFC has a second installment? You don't see that happen that often.

Ikkyuu's crash is surprising, but unless it becomes one of those series that yo-yo's it's dead.

I wouldn't compare Mago to DGM at all. D.Gray-man sold better when it was in jump, and was in the WSJ family much longer than Mago. Granted, it didn't have the amount of content Mago has now, but that's because DGM had at least two long hiatuses, while Mago hasn't had any. Just assuming it would be moved is inferring that it has the editorial backing that DGM has, and I don't really see that it does. I think it's still pretty safe despite low rankings. It sells well, has an anime, and as long as new series tank and HxH comes and goes nothing is going to happen to it.

[Negative Syndicate]

Wait, so the first OneShot in the GFC has a second installment? You don't see that happen that often.

What do you mean by that?

[xi0]

What do you mean by that?

Never mind, I saw "Entry #2" and that there were two oneshots in the latest issue and got confused :rofl

[Kaiten]

Mago is a weird case. Series that sell 500,000 or more copies but are regulars in the bottom five are very rare. To Love Ru and D. Gray Man are the only other examples I can think of. D. Gray Man sells better than Mago, but it's position in the TOC is very similar. Ultimately someone at Shueisha will ask why a series that averages 500,000 copies sold per volume, has lasted over three years, and produced a two season anime can receive so little fan support. If they believe they can make a long term profit off it, they will find a way to let it continue, most likely in SQ. We should not confuse cause and effect though. They will cancel it and there will be a minimum six month hiatus before it moves to SQ or wherever else it may go. That assumes they make an attempt to salvage Mago. And it would be presumptuous to make assumptions about the actions business executives would take based on metrics only they have access to. Whatever choice they make, it will have to what until the anime ends in October.

[kaze1028]

http://i.imgur.com/GJUjW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1SfwK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FtAST.jpg


HxH animation is on plan?

[saladesu]

Translation:
"HUNTER X HUNTER"
Poster, sales stand, shelf tookaa
* The three HxH freebies will, in accordance with the embargo on the TV anime information, be released at the same time as the 29th volume on the 4th of August.

TN: a sales stand looks like this (http://auok.auone.jp/item/item_306537030.html) while a shelf tookaa (no idea what the english name is) is something you can "wrap" around your volumes on your shelf. Usually for manga, the tookaa will indicate which volume to which volume an arc is, or in One Piece's case tells you which volume a particular SH joined the crew. Here's (http://auction.item.rakuten.co.jp/10076391/a/10000042/) an example from Bleach.

Anyway that doesn't say much about a HxH anime but it seems there will be one with info forthcoming later?

[xi0]

When they say embargo I'm guessing that means that retailers got this information beforehand for the "three freebies" (Whatever they are), to start giving them away when the 29th volume comes out, which coincides with the announcement of an anime.

It seems odd that Shueisha would expect this to not leak out when so many vendors sell the magazines before their set street date...but I guess it might have been intended, or they just didn't care.

[Kubukurin]

Whatever choice they make, it will have to what until the anime ends in October.
Mago's anime ends in December.

[TemplateR]

Hunter X Hunter Anime ? I hope for an Brotherhood-Treatment !!!!

[kewl0210]

The word they use there "解禁" means more like "lift the ban on" or "making open". Apparently there'll be an anime announcement coinciding with the release of V29 week after next. But info about it and the sales of those freebies isn't allowed until that day, August 4th.
At least, that's what it looks like. Assuming it's not fake or something.
Most likely, this means we're finally getting the looooong awaited OVA of the Chimera Ant arc. And perhaps that the Chimera Ant arc will finally end in the manga in this run. Guess we'll see.

Edit: Oh wait, it says "TV Anime" so I guess it's a TV anime, not an OVA.

[DidCart]

Hi guys... did anyone translated the 1st GFC entry from this year? I'm really interested in it.
Thanks.

[Crude]

I've just caught up with the latest chapters of Mago, and I have to say that I'm really surprised that it's in the bottom of the polls. It doesn't make much sense. Sure the ending of the Kyoto arc could've been better and also stop focusing so much on Rikuo, but this recent arc has proved itself to be quite interesting despite the shaky start. Is it the anime's 1st season's fault? The end was really draggy, but I still can't imagine it affecting how the manga polls in Jump.

[kiDo San]

I'm sure someone will, i flipped through it today. Didn't leave too much of an impact just a basic school setting supernatural battle

[Asarii]

SKET DANCE IS SO HIGH!! <3 I'm quite surprised the Valentine's Day arc turned out to be this popular because 2ch was complaining about it... but anyway, I'm still happy. Not pleased about Mago's low ranking and feeling indifferent about KHR's.

I wonder how things will turn out differently if ONE PIECE, Naruto and Gintama were ranked.

[Finestela]

About HxH possible TV Anime... who knows, maybe it's not going to be the Ant Arc, but rather something along the lines of DBZ Kai, a complete remaster aimed to boost the franchise and reintroduce the series to the younger readers/anime watcher.

As for Ikkyuu's ToC... Unless it stays in the bottom 5 again next week, I wouldn't be so quick to call for its demise, especially considering the fact that it got a spot among the side stories due to be out in Jump Next Summer Issue. While having a side story there is no guarantee for survival, at least it means the editors are trying to promote it somehow instead of giving up on it (like Zoo = =")

At the very least, it's not going to end in August, like some have suggested, when HxH is back. Would it make sense to cancel a series on the same week it is to feature a side story in a sister magazine? :P

[Negative Syndicate]

As for Ikkyuu's ToC... Unless it stays in the bottom 5 again next week, I wouldn't be so quick to call for its demise, especially considering the fact that it got a spot among the side stories due to be out in Jump Next Summer Issue. While having a side story there is no guarantee for survival, at least it means the editors are trying to promote it somehow instead of giving up on it (like Zoo = =")

I don't think having side story in Jump Next means that Ikkyuu is safe. Dois Sol and Sengoku Armors also had side story in Jump Next and it still got axed due to low ranking.

[Finestela]

I don't think having side story in Jump Next means that Ikkyuu is safe. Dois Sol and Sengoku Armors also had side story in Jump Next and it still got axed due to low ranking.

I'm not saying it's safe, but just that it's not going to be axed on the same week the side story is to be out, when HxH comes back.

Both Dois Sol and Sengoku Armors's cancellations were during the cancellation period AFTER the one around the publication of Jump Next.

[pein1991]

Looking at the raws for Bakuman, seems like its gonna be a good chapter. Really hope its in the top 3 next week!

[Kaiten]

About HxH possible TV Anime... who knows, maybe it's not going to be the Ant Arc, but rather something along the lines of DBZ Kai, a complete remaster aimed to boost the franchise and reintroduce the series to the younger readers/anime watcher.

The only scenario I would completely rule out is a Big 3 style, never ending anime. The other possibility is they start over from the beginning, like the new Berserk anime project or FMA. The studio could pick up where the last anime left off, but the original adaption is so old and HxH is still so popular that the studio may want to start from the beginning. That could result in two or three movies (Hunter Test, Celestial Tower, and York Shin arcs) with enough material left for a substantial TV anime. The announcement says new TV anime, so maybe it is less ambitious than that, but it is possible they do more than pick up where the OVA's left off.

[kewl0210]

Well, it said "TV Anime" pretty clearly there (Not that it's an official confirmation or anything). If they made Level E into a TV anime, I would say that the million-selling series HXH would get one. They've just been waiting until the arc ended because they've been doing the animes in arcs so they can have some form of conclusion. People've argued that for a while now, about how HXH could be selling so well but not getting any new anime.
The Chimera Ant arc is a very large portion of HXH, it's a good 12, I think, of HXH's 29 volumes. So it could last a while to cover the whole thing, like 50-something episodes. I see it as unlikely they'd "start over" unless the entire series were completely done. With Berserk, they have 20 years worth of manga to get through so that was less of a problem. With FMA the second anime was done when the manga was nearing its end.

[TemplateR]

The Orginal Anime-Studio of HxH is "Nippon Animation" and their last Anime was in 2009.

My question is: Will "Nippon Animation" produce the HxH again ?

[Kaiten]

It would not surprise me if the new anime is a TV adaption of the Chimera Ant arc. But predicting a new anime franchise for a series of Hunter x Hunter's stature is not unreasonable, based on the very limited amount of information currently available. With Full Metal Alchemist and Berserk, the anime industry has shown a wiliness to start from the beginning if the series is popular enough, and the original anime is old enough, or out of date.

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The Orginal Anime-Studio of HxH is "Nippon Animation" and their last Anime was in 2009.

My question is: Will "Nippon Animation" produce the HxH again ?

As far as I know Nippon Animation is still in business. The "new" Chibi Maruko-chan anime is still airing, and they are still listed as the studio. They could probably stay in business off of royalties from their back catalog anyway. That doesn't mean they will do a new Hunter x Hunter anime, the rights could have been sold to a different studio. We won't know details until the full announcement is leaked.

[Negative Syndicate]

I found newly updated information for some Jump series' total printed copies:

Hunter x Hunter (1~28) = 52,000,000
Naruto (1~56) = 110,000,000
Bleach (1~50) = 70,000,000
Gintama (1~39) = 36,000,000
Sket Dance (1~19) = 8,000,000
Nurarihyon no Mago (1~17) = 9,000,000
Toriko (1~15) = 8,000,000

[Josl]

Just a quick question. Does the stuff from WSJ write often that a new series enjoys great success? Are they doing it for every new series or really only those who DO enjoy great success?

I’m asking because on the first page of the third chapter from ST&RS they are writing:”Already a great hit!” (http://manga.clockworklies.com/reader/read/strs/en/0/3/page/4)
So is this reason to be optimistic for the future of this series or just a marketing gag?

[kewl0210]

Those little messages usually give some indication of it doing well. But the thing is you can't tell if it'll extend into the long term. Sometimes a series gets boring past the first few chapters and it drops really fast.

[ruggia]

I’m asking because on the first page of the third chapter from ST&RS they are writing:”Already a great hit!” (http://manga.clockworklies.com/reader/read/strs/en/0/3/page/4)
So is this reason to be optimistic for the future of this series or just a marketing gag?

they're on almost every second/third color page of any new series...which is sort of why they're getting them.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Yeah I remember seeing something similar for Belmonde

First and last time I trusted them :|

[xi0]

Something can poll decently well but then take a sharp, sudden nosedive. It seems Ikkyuu is in that boat, for now anyways.

[ruggia]

Okay, the more I read ST&Rs, the more I can't resist the feeling that it's basically a Jump version of Uchuu Kyoudai, just like how Dois Sol was a Jump version of Giant Killing. (the premise and all )

It's interesting though...both are popular weekly series from Morning, and they're Jump representatives both seems to have similar style of art as ES21 (I think their artists were Murata's assistants, but I wasn't quite sure)
Maybe Jump is trying to duplicate the success, but it's interesting how Shueisha is some-what shamelessly basing off stories from Kodansha... I'll laugh if Jump brings another one like this :P

[Westlo]

they're on almost every second/third color page of any new series...which is sort of why they're getting them.

Yep! It's not like they are going to put on "Already in danger! Please vote!" lol.

[TemplateR]

Here ist the whole page about the supposed HxH tv anime announcement


http://i53.tinypic.com/i44s4m.jpg

Can anyone translated it ? Or give us a summary about the page ?

[xi0]

Links is dead, hope you uploaded it somewhere else :sweat

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I mirrored it on tinypic, so now it works.

[Josl]

Can anyone translated it ? Or give us a summary about the page ?

Look one page back


Translation:
"HUNTER X HUNTER"
Poster, sales stand, shelf tookaa
* The three HxH freebies will, in accordance with the embargo on the TV anime information, be released at the same time as the 29th volume on the 4th of August.

TN: a sales stand looks like this (http://auok.auone.jp/item/item_306537030.html) while a shelf tookaa (no idea what the english name is) is something you can "wrap" around your volumes on your shelf. Usually for manga, the tookaa will indicate which volume to which volume an arc is, or in One Piece's case tells you which volume a particular SH joined the crew. Here's (http://auction.item.rakuten.co.jp/10076391/a/10000042/) an example from Bleach.

Anyway that doesn't say much about a HxH anime but it seems there will be one with info forthcoming later?


The word they use there "解禁" means more like "lift the ban on" or "making open". Apparently there'll be an anime announcement coinciding with the release of V29 week after next. But info about it and the sales of those freebies isn't allowed until that day, August 4th.
At least, that's what it looks like. Assuming it's not fake or something.
Most likely, this means we're finally getting the looooong awaited OVA of the Chimera Ant arc. And perhaps that the Chimera Ant arc will finally end in the manga in this run. Guess we'll see.

Edit: Oh wait, it says "TV Anime" so I guess it's a TV anime, not an OVA.

[Rei Ayanami]

http://blog-imgs-43.fc2.com/u/r/i/urisurematome/201107250015180c3.jpg

The new TV anime series for the Hunter X Hunter manga has been confirmed for this Fall.

[StrangerAtaru]

Okay, the more I read ST&Rs, the more I can't resist the feeling that it's basically a Jump version of Uchuu Kyoudai, just like how Dois Sol was a Jump version of Giant Killing. (the premise and all )

It's interesting though...both are popular weekly series from Morning, and they're Jump representatives both seems to have similar style of art as ES21 (I think their artists were Murata's assistants, but I wasn't quite sure)
Maybe Jump is trying to duplicate the success, but it's interesting how Shueisha is some-what shamelessly basing off stories from Kodansha... I'll laugh if Jump brings another one like this :P

Somehow with the stories I've heard of "Shingeki no Kyojin" originally being offered to them and their screw-up of turning it down, I wouldn't be surprised of Shueisha goes after that next. (or is doing all this "well let's make a Kodansha-like series" due to how Kodansha took a chance on a series like this and is reaping in every reward) Then again, Morning is the seinen mag for Kodansha...

[Kaiten]

Shingeki probably would not have worked in Weekly Jump. To dark, to intense, and to violent to have a really good chance of polling well. It does not help that the art has more in common with Children of the Sea and Blade of the Immortal than Dragonball or Naruto. It could have worked in Jump as a Neuro like outlier, but the odds would have been against it. Being serialized in a lower circulation magazine that specializes in action, fantasy, and super natural manga for the older end of the shounen audience helped it last long enough to build an audience through tankobon.

Weekly Morning may be as close to being a polar opposite to Jump as a mainstream magazine can get. Morning is one of the only magazines without a unified style, the only basis for adding new series is if the editors like a series or not. Postcards do not have any effect on the TOC or whether a series is canceled or not. It would be very interesting if the editors of Jump embraced the way Morning, and Morning's sister magazines, do business. I happen to prefer the more gekiga influenced Monthly Afternoon, but giving Jump's editorial department the same freedom as Mornings would be epic too.

[TemplateR]

Looks like we get only an Anime-Version of "Chimera Ant arc" and not the HD-Remake of the first series. Damit, I would prefer the HD-Remake^^

[Magnus]

Looks like we get only an Anime-Version of "Chimera Ant arc" and not the HD-Remake of the first series. Damit, I would prefer the HD-Remake^^
Only the Ant arc ? but that alone would be beyond awesome :D
Remaking what comes before the ant arc would be too much work and trouble, and honestly the old anime and the ova are more than satisfying to me.
If the Kimera Ant arc is really going to be animated, then either the end of this arc is really near or HxH won't go on hiatus (which is highly unlikely).

[Serious Sam]

Scans of jump Next:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/yusuke19/Decorated%20images/02-1.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/yusuke19/Decorated%20images/04.jpg

[Mr. Prince]

Haahaha... Horikoshi also goes to space!

His OS is called Uchū Shōnen Bulge (= Space Boy Bulge), it's about a young boy named Bulge who travels space. His goals are...!?

Matsui's sounds pretty damn awesome, too. Title is Tōkyō Depaato Sensō Taiken-ki (= Chronicle of War Memories from a Department Store in Tokyo) and it's basically reflections on the past and future of a department store... lol This sounds like it could be very entertaining.

[Serious Sam]

Thanks for the translations Mr. Prince I think these oneshots will be awesome series!

[kewl0210]

So... Even though Hokenshitsu ended, there's still something? Seems like it's a epilogue type of thing. It says "What is Hades-sensei like 5 years later?".

[kaze1028]

http://i.imgur.com/Ub5F9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sZwqR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gOGbM.jpg

HxH will be back in issue #35-36 (8th August) and the anime will start in Fall.



539 名前：名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい[] 投稿日：2011/06/30(木) 00:52:49.38 ID:ao2pjQy20
ハンター秋から再アニメ化だよ。
制作はマッドハウス。キャストは総入れ替えらしい。


Madhouse?

[Steffan]

*Shameless selfbump*

Can anyone who has the newest Jump issue let us know the results of the 47th Treasure Award?
I didn't hear anything from Shueisha so I guess I haven't won anything, but I'm still very curious to see the results.

It'd be very much appreciated! :tem

[kewl0210]

Holy shit, Fall? It's starting THAT soon? Well I guess they really do do these things in bunches. The volumes, the magazine issues, and now the anime all in the same season. Can't wait till some more info comes out. And issue 35-36, huh? So it'll start then there'll be none for a week, again. Same thing happened 2 or 3 years ago...
The posters and bags and stuff are the "free goods" they mentioned.

The only details are "TV Anime Series airing starting Fall 2011" and "check weekly Shounen Jump for more info".

[Bomber D Rufi]

Off topic...but I love your sig Kaiten. Chojin Gakuen FTW.

I sort of wonder though, with HXH coming back (ironically I just started watching the 62 episode version that viz put out.), does this mean that Togashi is getting close to ending the manga? Or at least getting to a normal-like schedule? This is similar to how the new FMA panned out anyway.

Also, how many jump series will be on at once starting this fall? Gintama, One Piece, Bleach, Naruto, Toriko, Sket Dance.....I'm sure I'm missing one but hot damn. If only Sunday could get a few more anime out there...

EDIT. The one I was missing was Beelzebub. Though I guess Mago counts too.

Choujin is such a fun, weird little series. I love it. I'm slowly turning into a Bessatsu Shounen Magazine fanboy. Nakayama should serialize something there, perfect match for his style.

[Negative Syndicate]

I sort of wonder though, with HXH coming back (ironically I just started watching the 62 episode version that viz put out.), does this mean that Togashi is getting close to ending the manga? Or at least getting to a normal-like schedule? This is similar to how the new FMA panned out anyway.

I don't think Togashi will return to normal schedule, but I do think Togashi might finish the Ant arc within next 10-20 chapters since the HxH anime has returned.

[Kaiten]

If I had to guess he is getting close to ending the Ant Arc, I guess last years developments made that kind of obvious though. I have a feeling this run of chapters will be the conclusion. Given the timing I bet we get another twenty chapters too, with hiatus timed to make room for a new series in issue 1 or 2 of 2012.

[chikkychappy]

Quote:
539 名前：名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい[] 投稿日：2011/06/30(木) 00:52:49.38 ID:ao2pjQy20
ハンター秋から再アニメ化だよ。
制作はマッドハウス。キャストは総入れ替えらしい。

Madhouse?

translation and source? will there be a new cast?

[Bomber D Rufi]

Choujin is such a fun, weird little series. I love it. I'm slowly turning into a Bessatsu Shounen Magazine fanboy. Nakayama should serialize something there, perfect match for his style.

I wish I could find more raws. The scantlators are killing me. I've slowly become much more comfortable reading raws than scantlations so the more the better. Bessatsu is turning out to be pretty awesome though. Kodansha's got some quality stuff.

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539 名前：名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい[] 投稿日：2011/06/30(木) 00:52:49.38 ID:ao2pjQy20
ハンター秋から再アニメ化だよ。
制作はマッドハウス。キャストは総入れ替えらしい。

translation and source? will there be a new cast?

Madhouse is going to be responsible for the animation.
Anime will start airing in fall.
Probably new cast. The source is 2ch, so I guess we shouldn't hold our breaths.

Images of Neuro make BDR something something. I'm sure Madhouse will do a good job, but....I really really looked forward to the Neuro anime. >_> Sure Claymore fans will be happy though.

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I don't think Togashi will return to normal schedule, but I do think Togashi might finish the Ant arc within next 10-20 chapters since the HxH anime has returned.

That does make more sense. Hope springs eternal. Though there's a lot of crap going down now. I wonder how it'll all end?


If I had to guess he is getting close to ending the Ant Arc, I guess last years developments made that kind of obvious though. I have a feeling this run of chapters will be the conclusion. Given the timing I bet we get another twenty chapters too, with hiatus timed to make room for a new series in issue 1 or 2 of 2012.

20 chapters again? Yeah that sounds about right. With Madhouse doing the anime, I'm positive that we aren't getting an anime reboot, just a possibly rushed ants arc. I sure hope Madhouse can change my mind about this adaptation....I don't doubt it'll look amazing, but pacing is an issue with me.

[Kaiten]

Madhouse is going to be responsible for the animation.
Anime will start airing in fall.
Probably new cast. The source is 2ch, so I guess we shouldn't hold our breaths.

Images of Neuro make BDR something something. I'm sure Madhouse will do a good job, but....I really really looked forward to the Neuro anime. >_> Sure Claymore fans will be happy though.

Neuro had it's faults but Madhouse is still one of the best animation studio's in Japan. It's encouraging to know they are involved. They will invest in the production, there won't be any moving backgrounds/stationary characters during action scenes, and the art will be top notch. Considering how high profile a project this will be, it would not be unreasonable to think their A-team will be involved. Hopefully animators involved with Paprika, Tatami Galaxy, or Redline will be involved.


20 chapters again? Yeah that sounds about right. With Madhouse doing the anime, I'm positive that we aren't getting an anime reboot, just a possibly rushed ants arc. I sure hope Madhouse can change my mind about this adaptation....I don't doubt it'll look amazing, but pacing is an issue with me.

That's my guess anyway. It would be odd for it to come back in August, only to go back on hiatus three weeks into October. They've added new series in October before (Hatsukoi Ltd.) but it's kind of a rarity.

[jorped]

So Hunter x Hunter is going to be back at 8 August ? Awesome !!!!
I just read the manga in like 4 days and finished it 2 days ago. It's an awesome manga, and it will be awesome to follow it weekly-
A chapter of Naruto, One Piece and Hunter x Hunter = Legen....wait for it.......DARY!!!!!! :zomg

[TemplateR]

I highly doubt it, that we could get a Remake of the old HxH-Series with OVAs. But now now I think t will be an animation of the current Manga-Arc AND later a re-animation/remake of the old arcs.
Because of the fact, that MadHouse has an another animation-style as Nippon Animation has. Although the fact is, that the successfull anime is 10-11 years old.

@Bomber D Rufi: Will Neuro-Anime continue or what do you mean by "I really really looked forward to the Neuro anime!" ?

[Divinenega]

Personally I think there;s a fair chance that even if it's Madhouse doing the animation, a full reboot is more likely than a continuation. For starters the first anime 10 years old, and since the primary target for the anime would still be kids, that;s too large a gap to expect them to be able to understand what;s going on in the anime. This is also true of the manga in a way when you consider how long the Chimera ant arc has been going on in the manga and not every kid may have bought those tankobons.

Of course there;s also the fact that Madhouse has been going through rough times and if anything, you;d think they;d want the backing of a major shonen franchise to help pick themselves up.

I;m cool with it either way of course, but a bit more interested in a reboot.

[Schabrak]

It's not like the older generation of fans did disappear off the face of the earth and with the Ant arc gone on hiatus multiple times, you got to have knowledge of the past arcs anyway to be able to follow the current plot and characters actions. A reboot is not needed and a long running adaption by Madhouse is very unlikely too, not if you wish for quality, as their best products are short running series. FMA had it's justification for a reboot, what could one for HxH offer to the public unseen in the original?

[TemplateR]

A reboot is not needed and a long running adaption by Madhouse is very unlikely too, not if you wish for quality, as their best products are short running series. FMA had it's justification for a reboot, what could one for HxH offer to the public unseen in the original?

First of all Madhouse has made a long running adaption and it called "Hajime No Ippo", which has 2 Season and 2 Spezial-Movies. Also the fact, that a new season and a cinema-movie is in planning/made ( although there is no news since many years oO ).
The old HxH-Anime has Fillers, not many, but it has. Also is, that the HxH-Anime-Series is about 10 years old ( if you don´t count the OVA-Series ).

Anyway, what about the DVD/BD buyers ? I don´t think, that they will buy a old-series before to buy the new HxH-series.

What I mean is, that a Remake could more gain more new Fans and is up to date in Animation.


Besides that, that we don´t know atm, what Madhouse is/was planning to do. So we must wait until the details.

[Schabrak]

And what of the rest of the 900+ chapters of Ippo? Would people wish for a reboot instead of a continuation? I repeat myself, "what could one for HxH offer to the public unseen in the original?" Why waste over a year worth of time for a simple reboot of shown plot instead of adapting the current arc? Madhouse should create an original series, instead of putting the stress of a 2+years[300+ chapters] production onto them imo.

Edit: Hollywood did remake a lot of asian movies in the last decade with good and many bad results, reasoning: we allready got one, why do it again just ten years later? Still quiet excited about Total Recall.[off-topic: The Movie Thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/57555-The-Movie-Thread%21-Continuation?p=2548419#post2548419)]

[TemplateR]

And what of the rest of the 900+ chapters of Ippo? Would people wish for a reboot instead of a continuation? I repeat myself, "what could one for HxH offer to the public unseen in the original?" Why waste over a year worth of time for a simple reboot of shown plot instead of adapting the current arc? Madhouse should create an original series, instead of putting the stress of a 2+years[300+ chapters] production onto them imo.

Ok, you have a point. Wasting time to reboot the whole series is not good.

Anyway, we don´t know, why Madhouse stopped the production of "Hajime No Ippo". And also the fact, we also don´t know, what Madhouse will do with the HxH-Anim, we haven´t the details atm.

Perhaps the new HxH-Anime is only a coninuation, perhaps the new series is a remake. We don´t know atm.

[chikkychappy]

Anyway, we don´t know, why Madhouse stopped the production of "Hajime No Ippo". And also the fact, we also don´t know, what Madhouse will do with the HxH-Anim, we haven´t the details atm.


perhaps it won't even be by madhouse :p

[kewl0210]

Yeah. Keep in mind, the only announcement so far has been "TV series coming this fall". The 2ch thing may possibly not be correct. It also said... here, lemme get it.


539 名前：名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい[] 投稿日：2011/06/30(木) 00:52:49.38 ID:ao2pjQy20
ハンター秋から再アニメ化だよ。
制作はマッドハウス。キャストは総入れ替えらしい。
"Hunter has an anime adaptation again starting in the fall.
The production company is madhouse. And it seems the cast is being replaced."

I dunno how people determine which posts are "real" sometimes. But a lot of the time just because someone says something in an authoritative way like that it just seems true. And sometimes the person with the same ID posted something earlier/later that proved they knew the truth in the matter. That's the problem with anonymous forums, really. Course it allows things like that where people can leak information anonymously.

Those bags and posters and stuff all say "Check for information in Shounen Jump". So we'll probably see scans of that show up sometime in the coming weeks explaining that sorta thing.

[TemplateR]

Wait, the official news doesn´t say in which issue will get the information. Perhaps we will get the information in this week or next week.

[Bomber D Rufi]

Yeah. Keep in mind, the only announcement so far has been "TV series coming this fall". The 2ch thing may possibly not be correct. It also said... here, lemme get it.


"Hunter has an anime adaptation again starting in the fall.
The production company is madhouse. And it seems the cast is being replaced."

I dunno how people determine which posts are "real" sometimes. But a lot of the time just because someone says something in an authoritative way like that it just seems true. And sometimes the person with the same ID posted something earlier/later that proved they knew the truth in the matter. That's the problem with anonymous forums, really. Course it allows things like that where people can leak information anonymously.

Those bags and posters and stuff all say "Check for information in Shounen Jump". So we'll probably see scans of that show up sometime in the coming weeks explaining that sorta thing.

Yeah, that's why I said in my original post that we shouldn't really trust this information. Right now it's just a highly likely rumor, and no more than that. I don't see why they'd want to change the staff and animation company now though, seeing as mainly fans of the original are going to be watching this, unless it is a reboot....which looks unlikely. Though the old anime is approaching (or has already passed) a decade since airing, so maybe it's about time they brought the Hunters into the new age.

@TemplateR

I meant when the Neuro anime was announced I was excited for it....until I saw what it ended up being. Since then I sorta lost trust in Madhouse when it comes to doing Shounen Jump adaptations. (What can I say, I'm easily impressionable.) Original Movies? Madhouse is badass. Original series? Madhouse is badass. After the Neuro thing though, I sorta hope it isn't them doing the animation, as amazing as it'll look. Though I guess I'll ask here....what animation studio would you want to do the new HXH series if it turns out not to be Madhouse? Nippon Animation has already proven their worth, so I'm hoping it will be them. If it's gonna be a truncated showing anyway, might as well dream big and go for Bones. :-P If they're actually gonna turn this into a long running thing again, Nippon Animation. Though I've always wondered...if Togashi weren't the Hiatus king, would a HXH anime still be running along with One piece and Naruto?

[TemplateR]

If Madhouse isn´t doing the HxH-Anime, then I suggest following Studios to do:

- Bones
- Production I.G.
- A-1 Pictures
- Sunrise

Plz no Studio Pierrot or Toei Animation. They will just add sucking fillers >.>

[Host Samurai]

Well, I do hope that the censorship concerning the upcoming anime won't be too harsh. Because that was one of it's charm in the original series that gave me a grey-tone kinda vibe which fits Hunter X Hunter IMO. And whoever will be responsible of the anime in the end please let the blood be red!:eyeroll

[Asgaroth]

i really liked death note, so i wouldn't say that madhouse can't do great animes of jump series. just looking out of interest into neuro/hxh, because i didn't watch either of them.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

As far as I recall their Death Note staff was also responsible for Kaiji, Akagi and One Outs, all of which were some of their best projects.

Just gotta hope they get those guys on board for HxH too if they're doing it.

[TemplateR]

In the HxH-Hangout-Thread, there is some new Staff:


Here's the (supposed) staff listing for the new anime, taken from a 2ch post:

Director: Kawajiri Yoshiaki
Assistant Director: Masuhara Mitsuyuki
Series Composition: Hanada Jukki
Character Design: Minowa Yutaka
Chief Animation Director: Abe Hisashi, Miyamae Shinichi
Music: Ike Yoshihiro
Animation Production: Madhouse

Holy shit...

It will also apparently air at 9am Sundays. Competing with Toriko? Or is Toriko being canned on Fuji TV or being moved to a different slot?

Now the question is, on which channel will HxH Anime return ?

[kaze1028]

In the HxH-Hangout-Thread, there is some new Staff:



Now the question is, on which channel will HxH Anime return ?

unconfirmed

9 o'clock of FujiTV on Sunday, instead of Toriko.

[TemplateR]

unconfirmed

9 o'clock of FujiTV on Sunday, instead of Toriko.

So the rumours is thicken up, that means more tuthfull. In my opinion^^

Anyway I think Toriko will get an another timeslot. Perhaps after HxH. But it could be, that Toriko-Anime will go on hiatus.


@chikkychappy: I mean "thicken" not "thicker"^^

[Schabrak]

I don't watch Toriko, but it's a new and popular title, are the ratings that bad to change it's timeslot?

Staff list looks like a mixed bag, Masuhara having done both gorry and lovely family series, Masuhara Mitsuyuki has a nice catalogue of series/movies on his list, Hanada has one too, but can he do action scenes?

rumor != facts Unless facts are provided it's not anymore truthfull than before.

[Samui]

I don't watch Toriko, but it's a new and popular title, are the rating that bad to change it's timeslot?

Staff list looks like a mixed bag, Masuhara having done both gorry and lovely family series, Masuhara Mitsuyuki has a nice catalogue of series/movies on his list, Hanada has one too, but can he do action scenes?

rumor != facts Unless facts are provided it's not anymore truthfull than before.
The raiting aren't bad, actually. I think they're up there with OP.

[ick]

Last Toriko's share was of 6,3. It's the seventh most watched tv anime and he's over Pokémon, Precure and Tamagotchi. I don't think they will change so easily his slot in FujiTV.

[xNothingx]

Excuse me, but the ToC in #33 is the ranking for series in #32 or in #24?

I still don't get the 8-week rule so well ._____.

[kewl0210]

The first OP in Toriko has clips of stuff happening like 2 arcs from now and characters that show up way later. It's not gonna end anytime soon. HXH will probably air on another channel at another time. It's not a kids show, especially not the brutal killing and eating people and sticking needles in their brains that happen in the Chimera Ant arc. It wouldn't fit in that Saturday morning timeslot aimed toward kids where they can only show a little bit of blood.

[Bomber D Rufi]

*sigh* I was hoping they'd at least get Toshihiko Sahashi to do the BGM. You know that one theme that plays during the previews? I love that song. Hell all of HXH's OSTS were things of beauty.

I'm trying not to be disapointed until it actually starts airing though, cause besides changing up a lot of stuff this is good news for the franchise. Although I don't think my heart can take it if a new VA crew ends up taking over too...which is exactly what appears to be the case.

Sad that me whining happens to be my 900th post. :-P Sad and ironic.

EDIT.

So we have Tiger and Bunny's ost creator, and Nichijou's writer on this. Now I'm REALLY not sure what to think. Though two of the guys on this are behind Ninja scroll, so that's a good thing right? The character designer's kind of got me a little scared though. Just stick with Togashi's designs, for the love of god.

[TemplateR]

Madhouse has done 4 anime adaptions of Shounen-Mangas: Hajime No Ippo, Neuro, Claymore and Death Note. For myself, I have watched Hajime No Ippo and Death Note and these was good ( DN ) to great (HNO) adaption, which I saw of them.

Madhouse has made many animations like "Black Lagoon" or "Monster", which are more Seinen as Shounen. It would be nice, that they have more "famouse" shounen animes in thei lists. Besides that, they make more High-Budget-Animes as Toei or Studio Pierrot.


Anyway, what about the ToC this week ? Any news of that ?

[Crude]

Yeah it all depends on which animation team handles the series. A great way to get a look at some of Madhouse's animation styles is by watching the series Aoi Bungaku. It's an anthology series, each story handled by a team of animators. I would love for the team that animated Run Melos! work on Hunter x Hunter. I definitely wouldn't mind on the team that worked on Death Note either. And animation wise, Neuro was pretty good, but quite average compared to other Madhouse shows.

[Oberon]

18 名前：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2011/07/27(水) 18:00:37.09 ID:SgXzsVfgP
表紙　こち亀
巻頭こち亀
ワンピ
ナルト
トリコ
鏡国
バクマン　Ｃ
スターズ
べるぜ
ツキミのソバ　Ｃ
黒子　Ｃ
スケット
銀たま　←　ここだごめんね。
いぬまる
ぬらり
エニグマ
めだか
リボーン
ブリーチ
マジコ
花咲


35　36合併　ワンピ巻頭
ハンター　アニメ化決定　Ｃカラー
こち亀　Ｃ
ムラハガネ　Ｃ

Jump #34 (01/08):
Kochikame (Cover & Lead Color)
One Piece
Naruto
Toriko
Harisugawa in Mirror World
Bakuman (Color Page)
ST&RS
Beelzebub
Tsukimi no Soba (Color Page, GFC Entry #3, 47 pg.)
Kuroko no Basket (Color Page)
Sket Dance
Gintama
Inumaru Dashi
Nurarihyon no Mago
Enigma
Medaka Box
Reborn!
Bleach
Magico
Hanasaka Ikkyuu

#35-36:
One Piece (Lead Color)
CP: Hunter x Hunter, Kochikame, Munehagane (GFC Entry #4)

[raDar]

Oh, Bleach and Reborn is in it again, meh... And wow at Magico getting the CP twice in three weeks for the second time...

[Rejuvenation]

Medaka barely missed getting out of the bottom 5. Better luck next week. Mago finally got out again so good for it. Sket looks low but I had to check again to see that its actually in 5th place. Not a bad ranking.

So much for Bleach making some come back like people were expecting after the color pages. Dropping back into the bottom 5 is entertaining and deserving. Reborn in the bottom 5 again isn't surprising. No problems there. Looks like Ikkyu is the new cushion after all. I can't say I'm too surprised. Magico finally finds itself in the bottom 5. Lets see if it can pull itself up next week or if its finally crashing.

[jorped]

I still don't quite understand how the hell Naruto hasn't been getting 1ºPlace lately. This chapters that are now being ranked were quite interesting and i really thought that they would rank first place.

[Nayrael]

Pure rankings:

01. One Piece
02. Naruto
03. Toriko
04. Beelzebub
05. Sket Dance
06. Gintama
07. Inumaru Dashi
08. Nurarihyon no Mago
09. Enigma
10. Medaka Box
11. Reborn!
12. Bleach
13. Magico
14. Hanasaka Ikkyuu

5 more chapters till ranked: Harisugawa in Mirror World
4 more chapters till ranked: ST&RS


Big 3 are still big 3, Beelzebub is holding well, Nura jumped quite a bit, Bleach failling as usual, Magico and Hanasaka Ikkyuu seem to be turning into pillows...

[meeedoooz]

I still don't quite understand how the hell Naruto hasn't been getting 1ºPlace lately. This chapters that are now being ranked were quite interesting and i really thought that they would rank first place.

don't worry it will get there :D.... as always i'm sad to see where bleach is at, this way it may actually be moved or canceled

[Jaymie]

Ouch for Magico. That must've been a really bad chapter. Bleach is still in the Bottom Five. Reborn! dropped quite a bit as well.

Enigma and Mago are hovering above the Bottom Five, but at least they're out of it.

[ZayCon]

I really like this weeks TOC a lot!

Top 3 is very good, even though I would prefer Toriko being in second place.

Beelzebub on fourth is also enjoyable.

Enigma on ninth is also good, as it's not really near the bottom.

The bottom 4 (I don't read Medaka Box) is very good! Either Reborn! or Bleach has deserved more than that lately. I'm actually still hoping the rankings will be a wake-up call for them, but it doesn't really seems like it'll happen. It's a shame that Magico is so poorly ranked, but the latest chapters hasn't really been any good, as the manga has turned into a generic and bad fighting manga. Ikkyuu on last is also good. I loved the one-shot, but the manga has been really poor.

[Finestela]

I don't know, I'm a bit sad about Magico, but the chapter being ranked here isn't the "generic and bad fighting" chapters you're talking about. Chapter 14 isn't remotely generic fighting in any sense of the word.

[BianchiChrome]

Hello! :amuse

I believe that Reborn! rankings will get much higher especially after the the current chapter and the last two chapters.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Wow.

I was expecting Magico to take a hit soon but I didn't think it'd be that drastic.

[Divinenega]

Well Enigma's not in the bottom five so as far as I;m concerned this is a good week. Bleach is way towards the bottom where it deserves to be, and while I;m not completely happy with the exact placement, Reborn has had a drop in quality(which should hopefully cease with the Inheritance arc finally being over) so it deserves to be a bit lower on the poll.

I;m also not as upset as I thought I;d be about Magico being low in the rankings this week, I know it;s not polling the current arc, but the series is starting to lose some of it;s spark in a way. Rather than world building, or putting some actual focus on the romance aspect since it is partially that genre, it;s just devolved into mindless fighting without any real buildup for the arcs anymore. Hopefully it;ll improve but...

My only complain this week is Medaka being in the bottom five, but it;s not in any real danger at the moment anyway so it's not a problem. Wonder when it;ll get that color page for the 2nd popularity poll...

[naruto-niichan]

I still don't quite understand how the hell Naruto hasn't been getting 1ºPlace lately. This chapters that are now being ranked were quite interesting and i really thought that they would rank first place.

well One Piece gets most of the top spots, it's rare for any other series to beat it. Expect the "fanservice" chapters to stand a good chance, it wouldn't surprise me if Naruto gets the number one spot as soon as Itachi plays a bigger role (aka the coming chapter). And when Sasuke pops up, it will very likely get another top spot -_-;
Still I agree with you, I thought the chapters were definitely more interesting as f.ex. One Piece, which were rather boring.


Glad to see Mago and Enigma out of the bottom 5, both are very enjoyable and interesting right now.

Good to see Reborn down there, the last arc was a complete disaster. Only interesting thing was Deamon, whose character was ruined thanks to a boring fight and a very cliche backstory :fail Hope Amano will get back to the good times with the upcoming new arc.

Magico is getting boring in a rapid pace, so the bottom spot is deserved. If the next chapters don't improve I wouldn't mind if it gets canceled.
Hanasaka is as good as doomed now, I can't imagine that it will recover :/

[Jaiden82]

Ah man what the hell happened to Magico? It was doing so well. Major drop by Reborn from last week. Awww Bleach, my sweet how long is this going to continue. I thought last week it would start to make a turn for the better but to no avail. Hopefully next week. Nura is finally out of the bottom and HxH is out back next week.

[Negative Syndicate]

I'm not worried about Magico (yet) because it had gotten color on last issue. If Magico was doing bad, then there was no reason for the editors to give color to Magico.

[StrangerAtaru]

Interesting week with KochiKame taking the cover and a reasonable top this time around. Enigma not making the bottom five is pretty good, Bleach being closer to death with the newer series protecting it is too. (though generally when a series gets to that point, it takes a while to really bottom out considering there are always going to be new series that bomb...Bleach won't end tomorrow but it could wear thin the longer it stays down there)

[kewl0210]

Yeah, don't worry about magico just because it had one low ranking. Only worry if it happens a lot consecutively. Toriko was in the bottom 5 a few times in its earlier chapters, too. So were a bunch of other ones.

Toriko's still in the top 3, even if it's not being Naruto this week. Or One Piece, which it has a couple times.
Good to see Enigma is hanging around in the "cult position", getting high enough to not get canceled at least.
And Bleach 2.0 isn't still failing. It kinda makes me wonder if maybe Kubo will end up making this arc really short and go back to more Shinigami-related stuff. Seeing as it's pretty clear it's not doing well.

Also, I find it kinda weird that HXH is coming back AND it has an anime announcement but it STILL doesn't get the cover. You'd think it would, given the explosion of promotion it's having. Well, maybe it will soon.

[Kaiten]

Ikkyuu, I am disappoint :rant

It had potential, shame that it has been in the bottom five for two of the last three weeks. Hopefully St&rs will not share it's fate. I'll be really upset if St&rs is canceled early.

[raDar]

Ikkyuu, I am disappoint :rant

It had potential, shame that it has been in the bottom five for two of the last three weeks. Hopefully St&rs will not share it's fate. I'll be really upset if St&rs is canceled early.

The ones ranked are the Don't Cross the Bridge/Mirror arcs which are not really that interesting so I'm not surprised that it's on the bottom now. Hopefully (crossing my fingers), it could get out of there during the Tengu arc.

[Asgaroth]

The ones ranked are the Don't Cross the Bridge/Mirror arcs which are not really that interesting so I'm not surprised that it's on the bottom now. Hopefully (crossing my fingers), it could get out of there during the Tengu arc.

don't think that it will improve. the only good one was chapter 1 so far. the conclusion was not so witty in my opinion. also the "arc" before mit the mirror took to long, something it could have done in 1 chapter. sometimes it seems that oneshots can't be series and ikkyuu is such a case.

st&rs is okay, don't know what he will do after the academy arc. fighting aganst aliens?

i find mirror world quite interesting, yeah it's ecchi but the mirror sharing if fun so far. not sure how long the mangaka will keep up with interesting ideas and plots, because it's seems very limited to me.

[Negative Syndicate]

st&rs is okay, don't know what he will do after the academy arc. fighting aganst aliens?

I doubt St&rs going to have fighting against aliens. I think it is mostly about their study in the space school.

[tarouch]

I'm so sad for Magico but all manga has been through this situation (Bleach also) so I don't worry about it

P.S : No One has the Cover ?

[7sun]

Ahh the comedy manga are one behind the other haha.
Is Toriko comedy too?
Sket Dance is number 5 this week, thats great.
And Enigma is out of bottom 5 :D I'm really happy with that.
I think magico is better next week.

[mrDovydas]

I'm glad to see Sket in the top 5 again this week. Enigma and Nurarihyon are out of bottom 5 and that's great too. I'm kind of glad to see Medaka Box in the bottom, because I don't really like this series. I don't read Reborn, so it's position doesn't matter to me. Bleach being low is kinda fun, I like it's position, because the last chapters were kinda lame and boring, but it should get up, because the last chapter was amazing. Magico had turned into a typical stupid battle manga, I don't like it anymore. And I've never understood Ikkyuu, so I won't be sad if it gets canceled.

[TheOddOne]

i think Bleach had a good twist , it should be higher this week , this way the japanese , are saiyng Get the fuck out Bleach , whatever you do it wont be enough ...

[Asgaroth]

i liked the recent chapter of bleach. nice plot twist, currently not sure whats really going on. after 20-30 chapters of setting it up, nothing unexpected to occur. witht he fights going on it should rise above the bottom five.

[Negative Syndicate]

Magico will be getting vomic on next month.

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@JUMP_SQ_TEAM_AG ジャンプSQ編集部 A・Gチーム
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It looks like there is a rumor that one of series from Shueisha's weekly magazine will be moved to Jump SQ; I don't think one of series from seinen magazine will be move to shonen magazine, so I think Shueisha's weekly magazine will be Shonen Jump. People are saying that Bleach, Reborn, and Nurarihyon are strong candidate for moving to Jump SQ.

[Divinenega]

My money;s on Nura. Reborn may not be as solid as it used to be but it can still crawl to the top half of the ToC at times, and as much as I;d welcome Bleach getting the boot to SQ, its fall is a bit too soon for that. So that leaves Nura which still sells, but has been raking poorly. Well I suppose I mught miss the weekly instalments, but a monthly read might actually make me feel a bit happier when I read it since there;s a wait.

[Jaymie]

What it should be: Hunter x Hunter

What it will probably end up being: Nura or possibly even Bleach

[Asarii]

Happy to see Sket Dance taking fifth place even though at a glance it seems to be in the middle position. I'm not expecting Mago to have high rankings in a while so I'll take what I get with this one; thank goodness it's staying afloat. It's amusing how KHR yo-yos from time to time.

I'm actually surprised that Bleach, Magico and (to an extent) Enigma are crashing this hard- most of my surprise is directed at Bleach though.

[TemplateR]

Bleach in Jump SQ ? I don´t think, that it will be moving there. Because of the fact, that a weekly-Version of Bleach is much more better as a monthly-version.
Also the fact, that "Bleach" is one of the most famous franchise besides One Piece and Naruto. And the fact, that the mangaka has not many hiatus-status or illnes.

Reborn or Nurarihyon ? Can be, but I also don´t think so, that they are moving to Jump SQ.

My Money is on Hunter X Hunter or better say, Hitaus X Hiatus

[ick]

It seems strange to announce the return of HxH on WSJ and then moving it on the SQ.
I think it'll be Nura (if the rumor is true, clearly), always semmed to me a "Square manga".

[xi0]

It seems strange to announce the return of HxH on WSJ and then moving it on the SQ.
I think it'll be Nura (if the rumor is true, clearly), always semmed to me a "Square manga".

That's a pretty good point. Why not just have it return to SQ in the first place?

Moving Bleach doesn't really make sense from an editorial standpoint. There's a chance that it may improve the quality of the series, but moving it now only looks like Bleach is on life support and they'd rather movie it to SQ for the sake of keeping it alive than ending it. Maybe they would do something like that, but it's not like the series isn't popular anymore. This is a mixed reaction to one arc.

As far as Mago, Reborn, etc. if the rumor is true, it's reasonable to assume it could be any of the series in the magazine, save for a few obvious ones like OP, Naruto and Toriko. Gintama makes more sense as a weekly series. Maybe Shueisha realized after Mago got an anime that it's audience would be found better in SQ? Maybe they feel that way about Medaka Box? It is something to ponder.

[Finestela]

Magico will be getting vomic on next month.

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It looks like there is a rumor that one of series from Shueisha's weekly magazine will be moved to Jump SQ; I don't think one of series from seinen magazine will be move to shonen magazine, so I think Shueisha's weekly magazine will be Shonen Jump. People are saying that Bleach, Reborn, and Nurarihyon are strong candidate for moving to Jump SQ.

Erm... Actually, I can totally see Liar Game moving to SQ... :P

[StrangerAtaru]

Personally I would make Bleach the SQ series, but it will be Mago. In Mago's case, it still has sales support but just not the popularity to sustain itself in magazine. Bleach just needs something to keep it's author on a tighter leash so he can make something more interesting and captivating...but a monthly version may or may not be the best idea. It could work in that it will allow Kubo to do more per month with his story in a magazine that skews slightly older...but on the other hand it could backfire and we could have even more super-white pages that go nowhere but once a month instead of four times.

[kewl0210]

Yeah, I agree. Mago is ending up in a similar state that D.Gray-Man was when it moved to Square. In that it's ranking low but still selling well.
Bleach is very well known as a "Jump manga" so I don't see it moving anywhere.

Course, it could be some other series that's moving because the author can't keep up the weekly schedule.

[Kaiten]

Mago makes the most sense, barring a black swan. It has polled poorly for the better part of three years. It would fit SQ's style too. I could see it appealing to fans of Tegami Bachi, DGM, Kurenai, AnE, etc. Despite recent struggles Bleach and Reborn have not been polling poorly for very long. I would be willing to believe the editors would be willing to let them dig there way out before moving to another magazine.

[R4n]

Erm... Actually, I can totally see Liar Game moving to SQ... :P

Eh i disagree.
Its theme and style is very different from the ones in SQ... It'll be a bit jarring to see it there. :{

Honestly i don't care what series got moved to SQ... But seeing Bleach in a monthly magazine seems like a nightmare comes true. Its pace is already super slow in a weekly one, if it was published monthly i could totally see it rot ran for another 30 years like what the editor wanted X___x

[Drmke]

so much hate on Ikkyu, the Tengu was very well written. If it doesn't poll at least a bit better then all hope is lost.

I'm a bit skeptical on the SQ thing but if a series from Jump was gonna be moved, it's pretty obvious it'd be Mago. More SQ's style and like it has been said, it has D. Gray-man syndrome.

[Akiyama]

#34
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8366/issue34.jpg

September
http://www.s-manga.net/newcomic/index201109.html
Beelzebub Gaiden
Sket Dance Handbook

[Finestela]

Eh i disagree.
Its theme and style is very different from the ones in SQ... It'll be a bit jarring to see it there. :{

Honestly i don't care what series got moved to SQ... But seeing Bleach in a monthly magazine seems like a nightmare comes true. Its pace is already super slow in a weekly one, if it was published monthly i could totally see it rot ran for another 30 years like what the editor wanted X___x

Why would theme be an issue? If theme is a problem, then they wouldn't move PoT there in the first place, since there wasn't any sports series before it there.

As for style, I have to totally disagree. Clearly you have forgotten about Luck Stealer and Onsen.

[Nayrael]

I wouldn't jump at Mago immediately. "Moving to SQ due to high sales but low ranking" theory has been countered by the fact that two Manga on which this theory is mostly based, DGM and TLR, have been moved because their Mangaka were no longer able to keep up with weekly releases due to health and personal issues. Are there other Manga that would support this theory? After all, doesn't monthly release of chapters also increase the gap between Volume releases and thus affects the sales negatively?

And if we say he theory is true and that popularity is the problem, wouldn't they wait till more episodes of S2 Anime aired? Seeing that Director, Series Composer and timeslot were changed, I'd say they are still attempting to use the Anime in order to boost the popularity of the franchise. Move due to popularity or financial reasons before they see how it at least may affect the overall stats seems kinda weird to me.

I am not saying that it would not be moved as I agree that the chance is very high compared to other WSJ Manga, but I'd like to check chances of other Manga anyway. Seeing as Mangaka's inability to release chapters on weekly basis is logical and proved reason for move, are there any Mangaka's that seem to have issues (not just WSJ's)?

[Jaymie]

Medaka
Nurarihyon
Reborn
Bleach
HxH

Well, it's definitely going to be one of those series if the rumor is true. I don't believe that it would be Enigma or Magico, because they would just be canceled. I mean, I'm even doubtful over Medaka. It's been in the magazine for a while, but not as long as Reborn or Bleach.

[Asgaroth]

just read the newest enigma chapters. not sure if the end of the e-test will push enigma towards the first place. it was good, but more a anchor to hold on in it's current position. i'm curious about what happens next... don't want to spoil anything =)

[quaresma]

I guess the next mangas being canceled in the magazine will be enigma or magico, but it's a shame, because the two of them are pretty nice, magico is more interesting than it was before, this new arc with the magi bros is really nice.. And enigma, with this last chapters can turn the story into something even more interesting..

[Divinenega]

I guess the next mangas being canceled in the magazine will be enigma or magico, but it's a shame, because the two of them are pretty nice, magico is more interesting than it was before, this new arc with the magi bros is really nice.. And enigma, with this last chapters can turn the story into something even more interesting..

Well I don;t think anything will be on the chopping block for a while, but if that's the case then Ikkyuu seems to be in danger.

[jorped]

Actually i have to admit that i don't read both for quite some weeks. But if any of those 2 would be cancelled, i think Magico would be a more probable choice. Said this i definitely need to check the chapters of Enigma that i haven't still read, which are already a considerable ammount :sweat

[quaresma]

Well I don;t think anything will be on the chopping block for a while, but if that's the case then Ikkyuu seems to be in danger.

Yes, that's probably the one that's gonna fall..

The last chapters of enigma were very entertaining..full of twists and things that nobody thought about.. Thinking better, if enigma is going to be canceled, then Magico and Ikkyuu are going first, so things are safe for enigma now..i guess..

[Kaiten]

If the post about a series moving to SQ is true, that will spare a series. It sounds reasonable, as that would make room for Hunter x Hunter. Otherwise it depends on when they plan on adding new series. If they wait until after the end of August, the end of the Gold Future Cup will be one. Highly likely as something has to replace the Cup, and it is unlikely to be a run of one shots. Ikkyuu looks like it will be the next series cut, while they have dropped, Enigma and Magico polled well enough in the past to get a little more time. Kind of like Psyren, which polled very well for it's first few months.

[Sayaendo]

How likely is this scenario?

1. Togashi writes 20 HxH chapters
2. After he's done with those, and they're ready to be published, the decision is made to move HxH to SQ somehow
3. They publish the 20 chapters as-is, because they're weekly-sized
4. Hiatus while Togashi writes monthly-sized chapters
5. HxH comes back afterwards straight into SQ

To the public: at the end of the 20 chapters, "HxH will go back into Hiatus! Sorry! Look forward to it in SQ next time!"

[xi0]

How likely is this scenario?

1. Togashi writes 20 HxH chapters
2. After he's done with those, and they're ready to be published, the decision is made to move HxH to SQ somehow
3. They publish the 20 chapters as-is, because they're weekly-sized
4. Hiatus
5. HxH comes back afterwards straight into SQ

To the public: at the end of the 20 chapters, "HxH will go back into Hiatus! Sorry! Look forward to it in SQ next time!"

It's a good point since Togashi supposedly works at his own pace and HxH comes back when he has enough material to be published for a volume or two that they'd already be Weekly sized. Though, I think Shin PoT is still weekly-sized in SQ and they just publish two weekly-sized chapters, or at least that's how it was done originally. I may be way off there since I don't read it and my memory is foggy.

It makes sense that they'd keep it in WSJ though because of the new anime. They could still promote it in WSJ if it moves to SQ of course, but it just seems like it'd complicate things too much. They'd had to have a legitimate reason to just move HxH, they've been following the same procedure with HxH for a while so why change it now? Maybe the editorial department has a reason to hand it off to SQ? But I can't really see one.

This is all conjecture since it's just a rumor though.

[Kaiten]

I don't think Hunter x Hunter will ever move to a monthly. Irregular serialization is an established, acceptable practice in the manga industry. Hakusensha has the exact same deal with Berserk that Hunter x Hunter has with Jump. Those two are the most familiar to fandom in general but other series like Oyasumi Punpun have the same deal. Homunculus did too, prior to ending this year. Other series have more regular schedules, but are also giving set time off. Weekly Shounen Magazine gives Negima an issue off every month, resulting in three chapters a month rather than four. Gantz is serialized in a weekly magazine, Young Jump, but takes every other issue off. There are even monthly series that take issues off. New chapters of Historie and Vinland Saga do not come out in every issue of Afternoon. We also forget that international fans are spoiled by scanlations.

As irregular serialization is a standard industry practice, it can be assumed Shueisha does not benefit from moving Hunter x Hunter to a monthly. It likely does not benefit Togashi either. As it currently stands, he can work on new chapters while the series is on hiatus without having a short term deadline. When serialization resumes he takes time off from work. Moving to a monthly would require him to meet a monthly deadline, something he does not have to worry about right now.

Chapter count would be reduced, by necessity. Serializing twenty chapters in twelve issues would require two chapters per issue for eight months. That would be the same as writing eight at monthly length, four at weekly length. Either that or he would be serialized for twenty straight months, before taking another hiatus. That does not seem like it benefits Togashi, nor does it seem more sensible than serializing twenty chapters a year in a weekly and getting time to work without a deadline. Considering he also had special treatment for Level E (serialized in Weekly Jump, but only one longish chapter a month), it seems unlikely that Shueisha will take a hard line with him now. Togashi is semi-retired - he's been a professional mangaka for almost thirty years and his wife is loaded. Nothing has indicated he wants to return to any sort of regular publication.

[TemplateR]

This week's Weekly Shonen Jump confirms that a second Hunter X Hunter anime is set to broadcast in Japan this fall.



Based on Yoshihiro Togashi's manga, the original show ran from 1999 to 2001 and spawned OVAs. After about a year and a half hiatus, the 28th manga volume was released July 4th and has sold over 500,000 copies. The 29th volume is due out August 4th, and serialization in Jump is supposed to start up again August 8th.

Source: http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2011/07/31-1/hunter-x-hunter-new-anime-finally-confirmed


Well, we will get new information with the coming wsj issue, if I´m right about the news.

[chikkychappy]

Well, we will get new information with the coming wsj issue, if I´m right about the news.

by "upcoming wsj issue", does it mean issue 34 or 35-36?

[Asarii]

Personally the only reason I see for a weekly series to switch to a monthly magazine is if there's a problem with the working schedule that can't be helped. There's going to be a big switch in writing style, and I don't think a mangaka would be willing to change the pacing of a story that s/he has been used to.

[TemplateR]

by "upcoming wsj issue", does it mean issue 34 or 35-36?

The issue this week, I think it is 35-36 or ?

[Asclepius]

the one that is out in Japan today is #34.

The spoilers we will get on wednesday will be from #35-36.

[kaze1028]

http://i.imgur.com/DUS6T.jpg

HXH anime on FujuTV

Start Date: 2nd October 2011

Start Time: 11:55 (GMT+9)

by Madhouse

[[Cross]]

Madhouse? Didn't see that coming, but it's good to see HunterXHunter return as an anime.

[TemplateR]

So Madhouse is now confirmed, but the time is the same as Toriko Anime ? Uhh.............we will have a censored anime version of HxH. I hope, that the of the new HxH Anime is very high, the animation good and a good pace.

Anyway, I wanted to know what the new HxH anime is. A continuation or a remake. I hope further news of the question !!!!

[quaresma]

And it's a good oopportunity for some people start watching the other season, like me.. I haven't seen it yet..

[StrangerAtaru]

This isn't the same time as Toriko. Toriko is on at 9:00 AM, while HxH will be on close to 11. So I don't see any problem.

[TemplateR]

This isn't the same time as Toriko. Toriko is on at 9:00 AM, while HxH will be on close to 11. So I don't see any problem.


ah yes you are right, but the problem is the same: Its to early and it can be censored. ( In my opinion !!! )

[Divinenega]

ah yes you are right, but the problem is the same: Its to early and it can be censored. ( In my opinion !!! )

I think it depends more on the studio really. I mean One Piece is still airing 99% uncensored and it can get really violent at times...plus I think Toriko's massive censorship may have to do with Toei trying to dodge any animal rights complaints or something like that.

[kewl0210]

This airs a few hours after Toriko and One Piece on the same channels. Fuji TV is actually a couple channels and some stuff airs simultaneously like that.

I'm a little concerned that they're airing it in the morning when it's like... an arc where people get bloody and mutilated and all the other mature things that happen in this arc. There's a lot of stuff that falls into "disturbing" and such. (Torture, people's heads being cut off, people being turned into horrible demon things and begging people to kill them, people's heads being broken open and needles being stuck in their brains, etc.) Apparently even much tamer things air at like 1AM or in that area, like Tobaku Hakairoku Kaiji.

But anyhow, I'll be happy to see a new HXH anime regardless. It's crazy how it's airing in just 2 months from the initial announcement.

[TemplateR]

Perhaps Madhouse is doing 2 Version of the HxH Anime: TV Edition and Uncut Edition.

But thats highly impossible.

Anyway, the question is now: continuation or remake ?

[chikkychappy]

Anyway, the question is now: continuation or remake ?

i really wanna know this too.
and i guess it's just a matter of time before the super staff rumor will be confirmed :super

[TemplateR]

Wait, wait, wait. Fuji TV ist not right, because Nippon Television (NTV) now the main shareholder of MADHOUSE. So that means, that we could get a nearly uncut anime adaption of HxH.

[chikkychappy]

well the advert says nihon terebi

[TemplateR]

According to Mainichi, the new Hunter x Hunter anime will start on October 2nd. Madhouse Studios will remake it from the beginning of the manga. The production staff and the voice cast are renewed. Nihon TV prepared a new programming block for the new anime at 10:55 am on Sundays.

Staff
Director: Kohjina Hiroshi
Series Composition: Maekawa Atsushi ("Prince of Tennis", "Bakugan" series)
Character Design: Yoshimatsu Takahiro
Program Producer: Nakatani Toshio ("Death Note", "Nana", "Kaiji")

Source: http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=39663564&postcount=1002


So remake from the beginning with new voice cast. Thats good and I´m fine with it.


Here ist the offizial website of hxh-anime: http://www.ntv.co.jp/hunterhunter/

[quaresma]

Is that source reliable? In other forum someone said that probably the anime will be a continuation and the staff is different to..

[Kaiten]

It's from an official announcement. Anime News Network has confirmed: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-08-01/2011-hunter-x-hunter-anime-to-retell-story-from-start

[quaresma]

Yes, thanks.. In that case i can watch the remake instead of downloading the first anime..

[TemplateR]

With the 100% official confirmations of HxH-Anime, I repeat my opinion of new HxH Anime-Series:

Remaking the tv-series with new voice-cast is good and plausible from madhouse instead doing olny a continuation of the hxh-anime-series. Also the fact, that Madhouse can continue the adaption without any filler till the End of the current HxH Manga Arc.