Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

[Drmke]

Love that Stars rose a bit.....maybe it'll survive. I also hope Kurogane does well. It's not that original but very entertaining in my opinion and is actually getting better with each chapter though I'm expecting a death.

Also not sure why everyone has it stuck in their heads Jump won't cancel anything else this year. Sure probably not as many considering Hunter x Hunter (though that is only if it goes away soon) and the space from oneshots. But just because a series doesn't look like it's about to end doesn't mean it won't. There are numerous examples......especially with small series.

[Josef K.]

Oh wait 633 One Piece was on a break? I thought that was for the next chapter, when it as for the previous one and it's ranking, hm rather confused so it does not follow such a trend, although I just realize that is a good idea. :D

[Estranho]

I think it's kind of... dangerous... to follow the ToCs this way. It's not a science. And we're not so sure if it's exactly eight weeks, netheir we know how to count these supposed eight weeks.
So, IMO, take the informations in the rankings at that level can be a little alienating, and lead to some misunderstandings.

[Jaymie]

I don't think it matters if it's 100% accurate or not. The TOC just tells you general trends anyway. Sometimes there are spikes in rankings (which is how we know that it's eight weeks), but it's pointless to say something like "oh Reborn must have had a crappy chapter because it's in eleventh place". It's possible that every series was really good that week, or maybe a large percentage of Reborn fans just couldn't be bothered voting.

That's why they cancel series that consistently perform badly, rather than series that hit the bottom once.

[OPN]

the top five is pure win in my eyes. sket dance is finally getting what it rightfully deserves. im meh on toriko now but i have confidence it will become good again. MEDAKA IN THE TOP FIVE WOOT! interesting how theres going to be a color next week....hopfully we get anime info or a ova announcment. im not worried about beelzebub at all since it yo-yo's quite a bit im sure it will rise back into the top five soon. it isnt looking good for enigma or magico but if it came down to it magico would be the series that i would be fine with if it ends even though its starting to get good again. also a little off topic but for the current gintama readers have there been any hints about a new action arc since its been awhile we last got one so its probably about time for one.
edit: well speak of the devil http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-4375.html i cant read this very well but it says gainax has been confirmed as the animation studio for medaka box.

[perroloco]

Its not a science, it would be more accurately to say its a Social Consciousness Experiment of sort represented by ranking the interest of a certain demography of events of 8 weeks ago (or so we speculate).
Also we have never been approaching the ToC as a science, more like a model or a theory, models and theories can change.

IMO It could be very possible that every now and then exceptions are made in this model (Jaguar, HXH, Kochikame but there might be other cases we have been unaware of), its also possible that there are some "rules" of the ToC we haven´t noticed, imagine for example that its the norm that if there is a thriller manga, ecchi manga and sport manga as new-comers the ecchi-manga won´t be cancelled until after enough material is done to publish 2 tankobon. I know its a wacky example, but all I say is how could we see a pattern like that?

[Koen]

I am not surprised by enigma's position at all. The manga has been consistently boring because of its pace and story all together. The pace is too slow, the story is too boring and bland since many chapters. Beelzebub's low position can be explained due to the seriousness of the arcs. Beelzebub always scores very high when there's some to a lot of comedy in it. The current arc is imo too serious and it has become a generic action shounen. You can disappoint your fanbase with it. It's like bleach without shinigami.

And as for toriko, one word: guemon. It is obvious that such a chapter got higher ratings. One character, one impact. I expect some top 5-6 positions in the near future because of Toriko's slow pace but oh well, all manga have those silly moments

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Swap reborn for HxH and the top is basically the same as my personal top 5 right now.

Wish Enigma would go higher but otherwise the ToC's good.

[WilliamK]

I am not surprised by enigma's position at all. The manga has been consistently boring because of its pace and story all together. The pace is too slow, the story is too boring and bland since many chapters.

I beg to differ, lol. Despite it being a new arc, I think the low ranking is mainly because very little was defined about the arc other than Sumio going to ride a train. As well as Shigeru being useless. Same with next chapter, new characters, arc is defined a bit more and there's going to be a battle. Not sure it'll do so well as not much else happens, yet every other chapter after that, a turn of events occurs and such.

[Negative Syndicate]

It looks like Murata (illustrator of Eyeshield 21) will be return with new manga. But, it is not confirmed either he'll be serialized in WSJ or SQ or other place.

[Newkerzy]

Unfair?

Color page chapters and breaks is when chapters are not ranked, so to fit them together One Piece when it gets a break and when it is time to rank that chapter they put in a color page that is also not ranked.

Unfair in that they're obviously trying to cover up the fact when OP doesn't get #1. For all we know, the chapter that's ranked next week could be #3 and they're trying to hide it from the readers.

[MattC302]

Unfair in that they're obviously trying to cover up the fact when OP doesn't get #1. For all we know, the chapter that's ranked next week could be #3 and they're trying to hide it from the readers.

Why would they do that? Nothing wrong with number 3, which One Piece has gotten plenty of times before.

[Josef K.]

Unfair in that they're obviously trying to cover up the fact when OP doesn't get #1. For all we know, the chapter that's ranked next week could be #3 and they're trying to hide it from the readers.

But such a chapter does not exist, it was on a break and instead o having One Piece like this:

OP: not ranked due to break

They just add in the color page, also not ranked.

Though I misread the chapter's numbers, it's actually 635 being ranked next not 633 which was on a break, sorry.

[purrr]

As of this week Enigma has had its 52nd chapter and now has enough chapters for its 6th Tankobon Volume.

If it's going to be cancelled it will most likely be either next week (Issue #45) or the week after (Issue #46) with a larger than average final Tankobon (Kanata Seven Change, Mx0, Chagecha etc). If it can survival until Issue #47 it should be pretty safe for a couple of weeks.

A series can also be cancelled before the neccessary amount of chapters needed for a Tankobon. In which case usually a oneshot of the series or another oneshot by the author is added.

At least, Enigma will be safe till the end of this year.
Enigma's 1st character poll result will be released in early November.
So there'll be more chapters for one or two more tankoubons.

[Kaiten]

It looks like Murata (illustrator of Eyeshield 21) will be return with new manga. But, it is not confirmed either he'll be serialized in WSJ or SQ or other place.

If true, this is wonderful news! Since Prism Car ended it is completely plausible that he'd be starting a new series soon. I wonder if he will write or not.


Why would they do that? Nothing wrong with number 3, which One Piece has gotten plenty of times before.

One Piece ranking higher than five but lower than one would not exactly stop the presses. It's happened plenty of times. I recall Naruto, not One Piece ranking number one practically every week in 2009 through the spring of 2010.

[Negative Syndicate]

If true, this is wonderful news! Since Prism Car ended it is completely plausible that he'd be starting a new series soon. I wonder if he will write or not.

I think it is true since he wrote on his twitter. If not, it means he is lying.

[Cavallone Dino]

very nice to see reborn! on top 5 ^^
..
mmmm for naruto i was a big fan of it
but now it's very different .. where's the battles and CP for sand ninjas ?!
Temari sama did not fight after 2 years ..

that's only

[Zeromcd]

Amazon Rankings for New Jump Comics

Bakuman vol.15 - 2nd Place
Bleach vol.52 - 3rd Place
Medaka Box vol.12 - 11th Place
Reborn vol.36 - 19th Place
Kuroko no Basket vol.14 - 56th Place
Hokenshitsu no Shinigami vol.10 - 76th Place
Enigma vol.5 - 214th Place

These rankings don't really reflect anything, just a little fun.

[Asarii]

I'll say an early farewell to Enigma. It had a really good start and was the best out of the 2010 series, but the intrigue it had in the beginning didn't last.

I'm genuinely surprised by Reborn's ranking, and I'm happy that Sket has the "bronze" medal.

[Negative Syndicate]

Mizuno Teruaki (author of Metallica Metalluca) going to start new series, called Kyouryuu Taisen Dinobout, in Saikyo Jump on upcoming December.

http://twitpic.com/6vsq78

[Asgaroth]

it's not like his previous series was sooo bad... ohh, it was.... maybe he should just draw for others.

[[Cross]]

He's getting another chance so quickly? Or is it, I mean what's the shortest time between an author's cancellation and his/her next series?

edit: ah scratch that, I read it incorrectly, it's only saikyo jump, though I'm still curious.

[Kaiten]

That's harsh, exiling him to Saikyo Jump. Reborn and Bleach both need kids spin offs, maybe he could do one of those. Metallica was one of the worst new Jump series I read half a chapter of.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

That art on the Saikyo cover looks like Metallica recolored.

Good going Teruaki

[Bomber D Rufi]

That's harsh, exiling him to Saikyo Jump. Reborn and Bleach both need kids spin offs, maybe he could do one of those. Metallica was one of the worst new Jump series I read half a chapter of.

I thought Reborn had one....that racing thingy?

And damn Kaiten, buuuurn.

[Shinsatsu]

That's harsh, exiling him to Saikyo Jump. Reborn and Bleach both need kids spin offs, maybe he could do one of those. Metallica was one of the worst new Jump series I read half a chapter of.
That's the most correct way to describe it.

[Kaiten]

I thought Reborn had one....that racing thingy?

And damn Kaiten, buuuurn.

Ah, that's right there was Vongola GP. I must have blocked it out.

[R4n]

Even without Vongola GP, khr is already very 'bling-bling' (the same way as Yu-Gi-Oh is) 'kids friendly'. I think i remembered a fan mentioned that her 4 years old brother being a big fan of it. And in one of Jump-Bang (spelling?) shows, khr seems to have quite a lot of primary school fans. :'p

Talking about Vongola GP... i am very sad nobody seems to scan the raws (or is it?). ;__;


I didn't read Metalluca. Is it really that bad? imo, I the worst i had read is Lock-On. (no hard feeling to the author)

[Unok]

Reborn and Bleach both need kids spin offs, maybe he could do one of those.
Bleach has one too http://www.shonenjump.com/j/saikyojump/manga.html and the first chapter is already scanned - http://bleachness.livejournal.com/666753.html

[Schabrak]

Seeing Bleach characters in SD mode is really weird, at least it's an own style, unlike DB SD with Naho Ooishi. I prefer Oda's omakes over Chopperman and Tite's own humor in his rare omakes. But well, it's aimed at little kids, not adults anyway. :p Would love some more frequent

[Jaymie]

Metallica had a really fun first chapter and an interesting premise. It would have been perfect for the magazine... back in the 80s. It's really unfortunate that it was in WSJ and not a childrens' magazine. And it was essentially a rip-off of early DB/HxH, which hampered its chances a bit.

[Sayaendo]

Metallica had a really fun first chapter and an interesting premise. It would have been perfect for the magazine... back in the 80s. It's really unfortunate that it was in WSJ and not a childrens' magazine. And it was essentially a rip-off of early DB/HxH, which hampered its chances a bit.
...A bit? There was not one original thing about it. It had DB, HxH, OP and Toriko. And it even stole the power from Yakitate Japan.

Being inspired by something is fine, but Metalluca proved that there's a line that can be crossed, even if the art and pacing is good.

[Zeltrax]

Sometimes I wonder if the stress and all the pressure gets to oda and affect him.

Anyway,
I'm surprised that reborn! is actually above bleach's shinigami return chapter.
I wonder if toriko have already claim the permanent seating beside op and naruto.

For me, st&rs and beelzebub being bottom 5 is ridiculous

and I'm sad to see engima! still there. It's like engima and magico are taking turns in that position.
Really pleased with Medaka's ranking too.

[Negative Syndicate]

I don't think Metallica is that bad. I think shonen magazine isn't suited for Mizuno. I think Mizuno is more suitable for children magazine, like CoroCoro, V Jump, and Saikyo Jump.

Also, Sawai Yoshio (author of Bobobo) also going to serialzie in Saikyo Jump for spin-off or side story of Bobobo.

http://natalie.mu/comic/news/57733

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Jump Issue # 45 Preview

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Lead CP/Cover: One Piece
Center Colour: Medaka Box, Kochi Kame, Kerberos (Oneshot, 47p)
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There has also been some speculation on the internet that Sakaki Kenji, (Enigma's Author) has gotten a divorce from Kyosuke Usuta due to what she wrote in this weeks author's comment page in Jump.


急に寒くなってきたので、早くもこたつを出しました。こたつ最高。結婚したい。＜健滋＞
It's suddenly became very cold, I've already got my Kotatsu out. Kotatsu are the greatest. "I want to get married." <Kenji>

Of course this is just speculation based on a single comment.

If you would like to view the author comments published in Jump every week, you can view them HERE (http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/wcomic/1309705421/)
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Mangaka-------------------Series-----------------------Birthday--------------------------Age

Akimono Osamu (KochiKame) ------ 1952 December 11th (58 years old）
Ohba Tsugumi (Bakuman) -- 1962 August 17th（49 years old）
Togashi Yoshihiro (HunterxHunter)---- 1966 April 27th（45 years old）
Obata Takeshi (Bakuman) ------ 1969 February 11th（42 years old）
Kano Yasuhiro (Kagami no Kuni) ------ 1970 December 16th（40years old）
Amano Akira (Reborn!) ------ 1973, month??? day???(38years old?)
Shinohara Kenta (Sket Dance) ---- 1974 January 9th（37years old）
Kishimoto Masashi (Naruto) ---- 1974 November 8th（36years old）
Oda Eiichiro (One Piece) -- 1975 January 1st（36years old）
Shimabukuro Mitsutoshi (Toriko) ---- 1975 May 19th（36years old）
Kubo Tite (Bleach) ---- 1977 June 26th（34years old）
Akatsuki Akira (Medaka Box) -- 1977 August 18th（34years old）
Sorachi Hideaki (Gintama) ---- 1979 May 25th（32years old）
Tamura Ryuhei (Beelzebub) ---- 1980 April 19th（31years old）
Takeuchi Ryuosuke (ST&RS) ---- 1980 November 20th（30years old）
Nishio Oshin (Medaka Box) ---- 1981 month?? day????（30years old）
Fujimaki Tadaoshi (Kuroko no Basket) ---- 1982 June 9th（29years old）
Ohishi Kouji (Inumaru Dash) ---- 1982 July 14th（29years old）
Miyokawa Masaru (ST&RS) -- 1982 December 12th（28years old）
Sakaki Kenji (Enigma) ------ 1984 January 24th（27years old）?
Iwamoto Naoki (Magico) ---- 1985 August 5th（26years old）
Ikezawa Haruto (Kurogane) ------- ????????????????????????????????

[Divinenega]

^

Ouch. I'm hoping that was just supposed to be a joke or something. It would make it even worse if Enigma got the axe.

[Negative Syndicate]

I think the comment is kind of like joke; she want to get married to kotatsu because it is warm. I think people are just overthinking.

[WilliamK]

God I know what you mean. Not only are idiots going on Amazon and reviewing it in an attempt to stop people from ordering her volumes, but getting canceled to top it off with a divorce. I just feel sorry for her. Still gonna hope for the best though. ;)

Though Negative could be right. She does seem like she's just admiring the leg(?) warmer things.

[Negative Syndicate]

Takeuchi Ryuosuke (ST&RS) ---- ???? November 20th（??years old）

Takeuchi is born on 1980, so his age is 30.

[[Cross]]

It seems really silly to allude to something so private in a jump author comment no? It has to be a joke.

[SoulEaterFreak]

Ohba Tsugumi (Bakuman) -- 1962 August 17th（48 years old）

if that is true, then he really is Hiroshi Gamō (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshi_Gam%C5%8D)

[Newkerzy]

Shit, now I can see how Bakuman's latest arc really relates to the author.

[R4n]

Unlike Bakuman, the real WSJ's mangaka line-up consists of 'middle-aged' people. The average age there is 35-45... the fictional one consist of super prodigies in their early 20s.
pfft.

[Rejuvenation]

Unlike Bakuman, the real WSJ's mangaka line-up consists of 'middle-aged' people. The average age there is 35-45... the fictional one consist of super prodigies in their early 20s.
pfft.

That was my biggest problem with the last arc and how they tried to act like some of the mangaka who were in their 30s and 40s were geezers and had to GTFO and make room for the ones in their 20s or something. Give me a break and stop insulting my intelligence please. Anyone who checks the age of the current Jump mangaka would see something horrendously wrong with how they tried to play that off.

[Asgaroth]

That was my biggest problem with the last arc and how they tried to act like some of the mangaka who were in their 30s and 40s were geezers and had to GTFO and make room for the ones in their 20s or something. Give me a break and stop insulting my intelligence please. Anyone who checks the age of the current Jump mangaka would see something horrendously wrong with how they tried to play that off.

i thought they would be more like 45-55, besides they are called geezer by the "kidz". ask a 16 year old if you are a really really old with 30 =)

[Schabrak]

With two guys in their forties writing and drawing Bakuman, you should realize that it's exaggerated and shouldn't take it so seriously... I don't read Bakuman[on-hold], but looking back a decade, you will see three guys in their twenties taking over the top 3 WSJ, Tite, Oda, Kishimoto with others like Mitsutoshi returning after a while. Maybe this gen just has not enough good young talents or they do manga for other magazines. The manga became unrealistic the moment I saw Eiji Niizuma or rather when it was released in the WSJ. :D

[FrostyMouse]

Well, at least Heishi, the actual current EIC of WSJ became the EIC in Bakuman, and Ohba didn't make Aida, Yuushiro, or Hattori the EIC for some odd reason.

[perroloco]

Personally I don´t think Bakuman its exaggerated at how it portrays ages.. Its not unheard of young authors submitting mangas.

If you think about it there are lots of mangakas that began their careers relatively young, Masanori Morita begna at 18, Oda began at 17, Kentaro Yabuki had its first published manga at 18 to cite a few examples.

The things is that there are just too many hits with too much volumes in the present, maybe as Schabrak says new authors aren´t as good, maybe with the child birth decline in Japan there aren´t as many new authors or JUMP wants to stick with their known line-up.
What I mean is that the average age of authors isn´t what it used to be, just think like it was 2003-2004 and lets compare TOCs, shall we?


TOC 2003 Issue 15
I choose this poll since it’s the last poll that is on biwa site, if it were for me I would have used one of 2004, with Gintama, Death Note, D-Gray Man, etc.
Kochikame: Osamu Akimoto 51
ONE PIECE: Eiichiro Oda 28
NARUTO: Masashi Kishimoto 28
Shaman King: Hiroyuki Takei 31
Eyeshield 21: Riichiro Inagaki 26 & Yusuke Murata 24
Prince of Tennis: Takeshi Konomi 32
ROOKIES: Masanori Morita 37
Mr. FULLSWING: Shinya Suzuki 27
Kanna de: Horibe Takeo 24
Bobobo-Bo Bo-Bobo: Yoshio Sawai 26
Hunter X Hunter: Yoshihiro Togashi 37
Yu-Gi-Oh!: Kazuki Takahashi 43 (He had been working as manga artist since 1982!! And his debut as mangaka was in 1991 in the manga Buray which by the looks of it was a wrestling manga (?) thankfully he did Yu-Gi-Oh! And finally had success!! (And what success!)
BLEACH: Kubo Tite 26
Ultra Red: Suzuki Nakaba 26 (BTW his mangas LOOK soooo cool!! Like Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure cool)\
Black Cat: Yabuki Kentaro 23
Ichigo 100%: Mizuki Kawashita 32
Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Hirohiko Araki 43
TATTO HEARTS: Kajisa Osamu 29 (Was assistant to Kishimoto)
Granada: Itou Mikio (Legendary) 29 (This is funny though since a week from this issue’s release he would turn 30, but for the sake of me winning argument he is 29 LOL)
Pretty Face: Yasuhiro Kano 33
Pyu to Fuku Jaguar!: Kyosuke Usuta ??? (I think he should be above 30 since he had already been working for like 8 or so years)
And just for the heck of it, Shimabukuro (TORIKO mangaka) had its first hit during this period Leader Dan Takeshi its manga was cancelled due to circumstances, since it was cancelled (It was a big hit) I will count it, he was 27 years old.

Also.. LOL at 2 baseball mangas running at the same time.. I mean.. In the long history of JUMP those are some of the most well-known baseball mangas and they ran at the same time LOL.
A sume of 656 years distributed in 21 authors (1 unkown) for an average of 31.2380 years per author.
Versus.

2011
kimono Osamu (KochiKame) ------ 1952 December 11th (58 years old）
Ohba Tsugumi (Bakuman) -- 1962 August 17th（49 years old）
Togashi Yoshihiro (HunterxHunter)---- 1966 April 27th（45 years old）
Obata Takeshi (Bakuman) ------ 1969 February 11th（42 years old）
Kano Yasuhiro (Kagami no Kuni) ------ 1970 December 16th（40years old）
Amano Akira (Reborn!) ------ 1973, month??? day???(38years old?)
Shinohara Kenta (Sket Dance) ---- 1974 January 9th（37years old）
Kishimoto Masashi (Naruto) ---- 1974 November 8th（36years old）
Oda Eiichiro (One Piece) -- 1975 January 1st（36years old）
Shimabukuro Mitsutoshi (Toriko) ---- 1975 May 19th（36years old）
Kubo Tite (Bleach) ---- 1977 June 26th（34years old）
Akatsuki Akira (Medaka Box) -- 1977 August 18th（34years old）
Sorachi Hideaki (Gintama) ---- 1979 May 25th（32years old）
Tamura Ryuhei (Beelzebub) ---- 1980 April 19th（31years old）
Takeuchi Ryuosuke (ST&RS) ---- 1980 November 20th（30years old）
Nishio Oshin (Medaka Box) ---- 1981 month?? day????（30years old）
Fujimaki Tadaoshi (Kuroko no Basket) ---- 1982 June 9th（29years old）
Ohishi Kouji (Inumaru Dash) ---- 1982 July 14th（29years old）
Miyokawa Masaru (ST&RS) -- 1982 December 12th（28years old）
Sakaki Kenji (Enigma) ------ 1984 January 24th（27years old）?
Iwamoto Naoki (Magico) ---- 1985 August 5th（26years old）
Ikezawa Haruto (Kurogane) ------- ????????????????????????????????


A sume of 747 years distributed in 21 authors (1 unknown author’s age) for an average of 35.57142 years per author.

[WilliamK]

Isn't that still like a 7-10 age difference from Bakuman's known authors? I'm not sure. The manga itself is quite mellow and seemed to exaggerate a lot of things, so when I read through it, I kind of skim through it.

[perroloco]

Ashirogi, Eiji and Iwase are 20-22 years old, Fukuda and Aoki 23-26, Hiramaru 27-30, Nakai 33-38 (Can't remember), Shoyo and Shun should be 18-20, Nanamine 17 IIRC.
With those characters the average is 23.444 years per author.
In the Bakuman-verse Dragon Ball, ONE PIECE, Naruto, BLEACH, TORIKO, To-Love Ru (Was), Kochikame have appeared in old JUMP covers and several mangas have been mentioned.. I don't remember which but Saint Seiya was hinted at when Eiji mentioned a manga about Chemicals.. I think enigma was mentioned too?
Counting the authors that are supposedly still in JUMP which IIRC are both Oda (36) and Akimoto (58) the average age goes a little higher, 27.727.

---------- Post added at 09:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:09 PM ----------

LOL... Guys I just found out something while looking for an author that'd fill either Ashirogi's or Eiji's age and do you guys recall how I mentioned Rokudenashi BLUES's mangaka Masanori Morita was 18 when he got serialized, looking at wikipedia you can clearly see the connection. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masanori_Morita)
I am sure Ohba asked the WSJ staff if there have ever been a high-schooler serialized mangaka and that's what the staff came up with. Although Yabuki Kentaro got published at 18 too, and he was an assistant to Oabta, he might was well named the character Yabuki too lol.
Takeshi Obata himself won an award at age 16. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeshi_Obata)
Seems like to get serialized in a young age you have to have pretty art since all these examples of mangakas being serialized/winning awards soon had pretty, pretty art, Obata and Morita in a more realistic way and Kentaro.. Well we all know what's Kentaro is drawing right now :p

[Schabrak]

You just have to have a good idea and acceptable good art, as Oda has proven sufficiently. Sometimes you just have to be lucky, win one of the awards and have your one-shot picked up for serialization. Should be no news though, not for readers of Bakuman.^^

[Haato]

°ロ° I didn't realize the authors in Jump were that old...see what happens when you take everything in Bakuman seriously XD I'm so gullible...thats what I get for taking all my info from a comic book literally XD

[Schabrak]

With a limited amount of slots in magazines for special/certain demographic layers[josei,shounen,etc] you didn't expect unexperienced high school graduates to get published directly, did you?^^ Nearly all mangaka did work as a assistant for a time, around 5 to 10 years with in respect of the data above.

Obata -> Kentaro Yabuki[Black Cat], Nobuhiro Watsuki[Rurouni Kenshin], Yusuke Murata[Eyeshield 21]
Watsuki -> Eiichiro Oda[OP], Hiroyuki Takei[Shaman King]

And now everyone of from the "3 generations" is more or less successful, had a big hit for a time.

[Teeba]

Tamura-sensei shares my sister's birthday. o_O That is pretty cool!

Honestly, I'm not really surprised a lot of Jump's mangaka are in their 30s. Being 30 is much different now than it used to be...there is more emphasis for people to be who they want to be and not just reach that ultimate mid-thirties goal of settling down with 2.5 kids and a dog. I think creative writing transcends age quite easily. This is why something as "ageless" as say One Piece can be popular with kids and have also have a large adult readership.

[k-dom]

1/3 of the current line up have more than 350 chapters ( with 50 chapter per year that makes 7 ), so of course the average age increase.

[Schabrak]

More around 40 to 45 issues a year, just saying :p, so it's an even longer time since their serialization. 8+years for a good part of the mangaka, which prevented a new series to get a slot in the magazine.

[perroloco]

Well one of the most awesome mangakas ever shares birthday with me, Go Nagai born September 6 1955 (IIRC, maybe it was 1945?) and Koji Kumeta is close born September 5th xxxx.

To keep on topic if someone else could post an 80s TOC we could compare the average age for mangakas at that time..
There is a noticable difference though, back in the 80s most of the popular manga-kas had already made a hit.. Then they made a bigger hit!
Examples:
Akira Toriyama: Dr. Slump-Dragon Ball
Masami Kurumada: Ring Ni Kakero-Saint Seiya
Buronson: Doberman Detective-Hokuto No Ken
Tsukasa Hojo: Cat's eye-City Hunter

Shimabukuro (Leader Takeshi-TORIKO), Obata (Hikaru no Go-Death Note-Bakuman.)and Togashi (Yu Yu Hakusho-HUNTER X HUNTER) fit the bill. But what about Oda, Kishimoto, Tite, Sorachi and REBORN's! mangaka (Forgot name)?
Makes me wonder if they will make another JUMP manga after they finish their current ones AND if they do, would they be bigger hits than say NARUTO (I doubt Oda could make something more popular than OP but Kishimoto making a new manga would surely attract attention quickly).

[Zeromcd]

- Akimono Osamu began his first series "KochiKame" in 1976, at the age of 24. And is still ongoing.

- Oda Eiichiro debuted with the oneshot "WANTED!" in 1992 at the age of 17! He began his first series "One Piece" in 1997 at the age of 22. And is still ongoing.

- Togashi Yoshihiro debuted with the oneshot "Sensēha Toshishita!!" in 1986 at the age of 20. He began his first series "Ten de Shōwaru Cupid " in 1989 at the age of 23. And was quickly cancelled. He later created "Yu Yu Hakusho." His series HunterxHunter is currently serialized in Jump.

- Kishimoto Masashi debuted with the oneshot "Karakuri" in 1998 at the age of 23. He began his first series "NARUTO" in 1999 at the age of of 24. And is still ongoing.

- Kubo Tite debuted with the oneshot "ULTRA UNHOLY HEARTED MACHINE" in 1996 at the age of 19. He began his first series "Zombie Powder" in 2000 at the age of 23. It was cancelled quickly.

- Shimabukuro Mitsutoshi began his first series "Seikimatsu Leader Den Takeshi" in 1997 at the age 22. It was cancelled due to some certain incidents. His series"Toriko" is now serialized in Jump.

- Obata Takeshi debuted with the oneshot "Cyborg Jii-Chan" in 1987 at the age of 18. He began his first series "Cyborg Jii-Chan" in 1989 at the age of 20.

- Ohba Tsugumi (or Gamou Hiroshi) began his first series "Tottemo Lucky Man!" in 1993 at the age of 31. That is of course if you believe Ohba is Gamou.

- Kanou Yasuhiro debuted with the oneshot "BLACK CITY" in 1992 at the age 21. He began his first series "Pretty Face" in 2002 at the age of 31.

- Ohisi Kouji began his first series "Maison du Penguin" in 2006 at the age of 24. His current series "Inumaru Dash" is currently serialized in Jump.

[Negative Syndicate]

Yes, most of current Jump mangakas are old, but you should remember when they started their series:

- Akimoto started Kochikame in age of 24
- Oda started One Piece in age of 22
- Kishimoto started Naruto in age of 25
- Kubo started Bleach in age of 24
- Sorachi started Gintama in age of 26

Furthermore, there are many mangakas from past which started in early 20s (or sometime in late teens). The average age has increased because most of weekly shonen manga series continue for at least 5 years; that's why the average year is increasing on each year.

Bakuman's mangakas age are young because of Ashirogi's and Niizuma's age. In reality, I don't think the editors let the authors start their series when they were still teenagers; they suggest them to start as an assistant to get more experiece. In reality, most mangakas start their mangas when they were between in Fukuda's and Hiramaru's age.

---------- Post added at 10:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:23 PM ----------

Saikyo Jump will become monthly magazine starting from upcoming December.

[Asgaroth]

- Obata Takeshi debuted with the oneshot "Cyborg Jii-Chan" in 1887 at the age of 18. He began his first series "Cyborg Jii-Chan" in 1989 at the age of 20.

thats a big gap between oneshot and first series =)

many of them have a 5 year gap between their works, is working as a assistant enough to keep the expensives? also they need assistants for their on work, without publishing a volume in the first 3 month. seems like they increase their debt even more, that would mean getting axed could be fatal.

[Schabrak]

Asgaroth
Can't do much if Kano couldn't come up with a good concept for a new series or just had a mental blockade for that long, at least his skills at drawing grew over the time and after that he got into WSJ much more frequently. :p

I doubt a monthly release of Saikyo will get it any more translations. haha

[Kubukurin]

---------- Post added at 10:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:23 PM ----------

Saikyo Jump will become monthly magazine starting from upcoming December.
So I guess the sales are good.

[Josef K.]

Schedule for Jump Festa 2012 in December:

http://www.jumpfesta.com/stage/index2.html

[Divinenega]

So no OVA's for Medaka or Kuroko huh? Well they already got animes confirmed so I guess there would be much point and none of the newer series have enough material yet.

[Negative Syndicate]

So no OVA's for Medaka or Kuroko huh? Well they already got animes confirmed so I guess there would be much point and none of the newer series have enough material yet.

OVA for Jump Festa hasn't announced yet.

[Divinenega]

OVA for Jump Festa hasn't announced yet.

I see. Wonder what it;ll be then since their isn;t really much point in doing one for Kuroko or Medaka with both having confirmed adaptions(correct me if these OVAs are still done after TV anime announcements are made).

I suppose Enigma could be slightly feasible since they did do a VOMIC for it and it;s the only newer series that's been out long enough, but then given where it is in the rankings at the moment I'm grasping at straws I guess.

[Negative Syndicate]

I see. Wonder what it;ll be then since their isn;t really much point in doing one for Kuroko or Medaka with both having confirmed adaptions(correct me if these OVAs are still done after TV anime announcements are made).

I suppose Enigma could be slightly feasible since they did do a VOMIC for it and it;s the only newer series that's been out long enough, but then given where it is in the rankings at the moment I'm grasping at straws I guess.

You should also remeber that series from SQ also might get OVA, not just WSJ.

[Divinenega]

You should also remeber that series from SQ also might get OVA, not just WSJ.

True enough. I;m sort of surprised Ultimo hasn;t gotten one, given how much Stan Lee's been pushing it.

[Negative Syndicate]

True enough. I;m sort of surprised Ultimo hasn;t gotten one, given how much Stan Lee's been pushing it.

Well, maybe because its ranking is low, tank sales isn't high as they expected, and Heroman (Stan Lee's other manga work) didn't increase its ranking even it got animated.

[Divinenega]

Well, maybe because its ranking is low, tank sales isn't high as they expected, and Heroman (Stan Lee's other manga work) didn't increase its ranking even it got animated.

Well Ultimo has good tank sales here in the US...but of course with Japan being Japan, they don;t really take that into account much

[Negative Syndicate]

Well Ultimo has good tank sales here in the US...but of course with Japan being Japan, they don;t really take that into account much

Yeah, I don't think so. It only counts how it'll do in Japan.

[Animeace]

I wish internationals could vote for there fav chaps in the jump. It wouldnt be that hard to add a poll or some type of option on the Sj site..

[Googlez_kun]

I wish internationals could vote for there fav chaps in the jump. It wouldnt be that hard to add a poll or some type of option on the Sj site..

Only problem with that is that they don't give a damn about our opinions,as we don't buy the WSJ.Nor do we buy the tankobons,so they don't need polls like this.Even though I do want one.

[Haato]

It's true XD we're technically the enemy since we just read it online for free lol,

and sales are so miniscule for manga everywhere else in the world when compared to Japan, So Jump wouldn't give a damn XD They're in it for the money, not to please freeloaders on foreign coasts :3




and even if you argue 'well, I Import all the manga I read online', it's still such a small amount that Shueisha won't care, sadly *mopes in my imported manga corner*

:3 but It's a nice thought

[Animeace]

Only problem with that is that they don't give a damn about our opinions,as we don't buy the WSJ.Nor do we buy the tankobons,so they don't need polls like this.Even though I do want one.

While I do read my fair share off stuff online I still do buy manga of a few series here in the states Bleach, Naruto and Jormugand (Not a SJ series but still awesome manga everyone should check it out) Thats the same as if I where buying it over there. All fans should be able to support there series. Im a hopless dreamer I guess.LOL

[Maxy Barnard]

While I do read my fair share off stuff online I still do buy manga of a few series here in the states Bleach, Naruto and Jormugand (Not a SJ series but still awesome manga everyone should check it out) Thats the same as if I where buying it over there. All fans should be able to support there series. Im a hopless dreamer I guess.LOL

With our western manga industry and the amount of money Shueisha makes from selling their wares over here as opposed to in Japan? Yeah, it's totally the same :P

[Negative Syndicate]

If WSJ used same voting method as SQ (vote by online), then I think international reader can also participate on voting for their favorite WSJ series; you still have to buy magazine, though.

[Zeromcd]

Medaka Box spoilers are already out, hopefully we can get a early TOC release aswell.

[Negative Syndicate]

From Murata's twitter, he said he just finished working on chapter 2 of his new series; thus it most likely that Murata is working for weekly magazines. Which means, Murata is might return either Shonen Jump or Young Jump.

[Zangetsu01]

Some infos while waiting for the TOC

Jump #45 :
Bottom 5

Mago
kuroko
stars
hxh
enigma

Jump #46 :
Bleach (lead color)
Kyôgi Dance-bu he Yôkoso / Takumi Yokota (Color, Oneshot, 47p)
Beelzebub (Color)

No chapter for Inumaru last week because the author was in Hospital, but since there is a chapter this week, he's better.
Gintama changed his editor recently

[Samui]

Another Bleach colorspread... WHY CAN'T THEY LET ME ENJOY THE LOW RANKINGS!? :C

Goddamn it, I really hope Stars will get higher rankings and won't get cancelled.

[Zeromcd]

Random Information

Nurarihyon no Mago ranked top 5 in the 2010 Issue #43, but has not yet to even enter the top half of the TOC since 2010 Issue #44 excluding CP's. It has also yet to receive a Lead CP since 2010 Issue #33. Nurarihyon no Mago also had his editor change recently.

Hitman Reborn! has also not had a Lead CP since 2010 Issue #26.

Medaka Box has not had a Lead CP since its first chapter.

[Oberon]

157 名前： ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E [sage] 投稿日： 2011/10/12(水) 18:43:07.30 ID:BosY7Fd/P

表紙ワンピ
巻頭ワンピ
スケット
ナルト
トリコ
リボーン
めだか　C
クロガネ
ブリーチ
ケルベロス　C
銀魂
鏡の国
いぬまる
こち亀
マジコ
べるぜ
バクマン
ぬらり
黒子
スターズ
ハンター
エニグマ

46号　ブリーチ巻頭
べるぜ　C
競技ダンス部へようこそ　C


Jump #45 (17/10) :
One Piece (Cover & Lead Color Page)
Sket Dance
Naruto
Toriko
Reborn!
Medaka Box (Color Page)
Kurogane
Bleach
Kerberos (Color Page, One Shot, 47 pg.)
Gintama
Harisugawa in Mirror world
Inumaru Dashi
Kochikame (Color Page)
Magico
Beelzebub
Bakuman
Nurarihyon no Mago
Kuroko no Basket
ST&RS
Hunter x Hunter
Enigma

#46:
Lead CP: Bleach
CP:Beelzebub, Welcome to the Competitive Dance Club (One Shot, 47 pg.)

[Divinenega]

This is an odd looking TOC. Sket;s in first, and Bakuman and Beelzebub are towards the bottom half. It looks like Magico is managing to bounce back. Odd since it really hasn;t gotten that much better, but at this point I;d be cool if any of the newer series survive.

I guess at this rate Enigma probably will be a goner unless Kurogane flops...which is pretty likely actually.

[AandWguy]

magico is alive again! enigma and st&rs, yeah yer finally on the verge of complete death, oh well.

[arsg]

Sket in first, whoa! Good for Magico, coming back a bit. Bakuman will probably fall even further before that arc ends.

[Teeba]

I think its really great that Sket Dance is finally getting the love it deserves. T_T

I can't help but LOL a little at Bakuman being one step away from the bottom five. Bleach being at sixth place is definitely better than last time. But its still not back to its former glory yet....I guess a color page really is appropriate! Say what you want about the storyline, but Kubo's colorspreads are usually pretty spiffy.

As for the bottom TOC, I guess we'll have to place our bets on who goes first, Engima or ST&RS. :S

I'm curious about next week's oneshot. A shonen manga about dancing sounds kind of cool!

[Zeromcd]

Romance and/or Ecchi Average Rankings

I''s: ----------------- 2.71
Kagami no Kuni: - 6.57 (Kano Yasuhiro) Serializing
Pretty Face: ------ 6.57 (Kano Yasuhiro)
Ichigo 100%: ----- 7.86
To Love Ru: ------- 8.71
Lilim Kiss: ---------- 10.86
Hatsukoi Limited:--12.86
Ane Doki: ---------- 14.00

These are the averages for the first 7 chapter rankings for Romance and/or Ecchi series that began in Jump after 1996.
I''s is incredibly high because it was hugely pimped by Jump and it also ranked really high when it began.
Kano has the same 7 chapter average with both of his series which is interesting. Hopefully it doesn't turn out like Pretty Face.

[redon]

Weekly Shonen Jump #45 cover.

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/3240/cover1y.jpg

[Negative Syndicate]

There is no news that Hunter is going to hiatus; thus, Hunter going to serialize for another 10 weeks, at least.

[Josl]

A few weeks back redon posted the prizes for the catch phrase contest
I mean those:
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/3373/fullscan.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/33/fullscan.jpg/)

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6607/x5og9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/x5og9.jpg/)


For those interested here are the rest of the prizes not included in those pictures:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVsHe-Wlpmg&feature=feedu#t=2m53s

[Haato]

:'( I guess it's time for me to say goodbye to Enigma...Pity, I was just about to import all of the volumes too....although there is a slight chance it'll survive still...I sadly don't think it will...........

On a happier topic-Go Sket!!! ：D

[Animeace]

Great to see Kurogane off to a good start tho most one shots usually star off good and then get axed.XD Hopefully it can hang around a while really enjoying it.

[Negative Syndicate]

Great to see Kurogane off to a good start tho most one shots usually star off good and then get axed.XD Hopefully it can hang around a while really enjoying it.

Kurogane isn't ranked yet.

[Jaymie]

Bakuman is where it deserves to be.

Are we sure that HxH isn't ranked? It makes sense for it to be ranked if it's been eight weeks (I'm not sure if it has been eight weeks though).

Enigma is a goner, but it had a good run. I'm glad that Magico was able to jump up in the rankings, even if I'm bored with it ATM.

[7sun]

Sket Dance!! just awesome!! can't belive it. they should do a sket dance cover.
poor enigma, stars and magico is better it has a chance again.
how much chapters from kurogane for the ranking?

[OPN]

goodbye enigma. i guess this means now if a series does a reveal for the main antagonist like enigma and psyren did its basically a death wish but eh it had a good run. besides that its nice to see beelzebub rise and bakuman is where i expected it to be.

[Negative Syndicate]

Are we sure that HxH isn't ranked? It makes sense for it to be ranked if it's been eight weeks (I'm not sure if it has been eight weeks though).

I think HxH not going to be ranked because it might go to hiatus again.

[RocketWobbuffet]

Forget Toriko, Sket Dance became the 3rd member of the Big3 for me.

[Animeace]

Kurogane isn't ranked yet.


It is on what Oberon just posted

Jump #45 (17/10) :
One Piece (Cover & Lead Color Page)
Sket Dance
Naruto
Toriko
Reborn!
Medaka Box (Color Page)
Kurogane
Bleach
Kerberos (Color Page, One Shot, 47 pg.)
Gintama
Harisugawa in Mirror world
Inumaru Dashi
Kochikame (Color Page)
Magico
Beelzebub
Bakuman
Nurarihyon no Mago
Kuroko no Basket
ST&RS
Hunter x Hunter
Enigma

[SoulEaterFreak]

It is on what Oberon just posted

It's on chapter 7 now...starting with chapter 8, for others with chapter 9, it's going to be ranked officially.

[Negative Syndicate]

It is on what Oberon just posted

Yeah, Kurogane has placed in ToC, but it isn't ranked. New series doesn't get ranked until chpater 8 or 9 (I think we're still debating on that part); until that the editors put the series in any place. This week's Kurogane's chapter is 7; thus its officially get ranked in next week (or week after). You should read how ToC system works in first post of this thread.

[Animeace]

Yeah, Kurogane has placed in ToC, but it isn't ranked. New series doesn't get ranked until chpater 8 or 9 (I think we're still debating on that part); until that the editors put the series in any place. This week's Kurogane's chapter is 7; thus its officially get ranked in next week (or week after). You should read how ToC system works in first post of this thread.

Ah I didnt know that sorry.XD

[k-dom]

Sket Dance before Naruto !! It makes me excited to read the chapters that deserve such a place. The last ones are already hilariously great.
As for Mago and Enigma, it seems to me like they have given up to make better in the TOC and do has they please. Their tone feels much darker than it used to be.

[Sky Render]

God damn. Just when I was starting to relax about Bleach's rank, Bakuman falls behind Magico.

Get up, dammit. Oh, well, it will. The arc's awesome ending and short duration should make the fast-paced Bakuman get back in shape after a few weeks, I hope. I guess it needs a "Fullbring period" in order to get things going and wrap up the story once and for all.

I really gotta read Sket Dance, but the first chapters are so meh... does it get better?

[Googlez_kun]

Bakuman deserves its low place.I'm sure the last two chapters will rank better,but those ranked chapters sucked dryed horse balls,so it's not a surprise.

On another note,way to go Sket Dance!Beating Naruto is a great feat.I should finally catch up on Sket Dance.

[k-dom]

I really gotta read Sket Dance, but the first chapters are so meh... does it get better?

In fine, Sket Dance is the serie of Jump I enjoy the most at the moment. You have to like this kind of humor, but if you do, I promise you won't be disappointed. You can try the anime if you want a faster paste.

[Schabrak]

Looks like the fan-service overload in Bleach didn't get the long-acting push it needed for the last couple of months. :P This week was good, but I don't know it will appease the fans for the turn of events. And it seems like kids really love the arcobaleno arc, probably even more with the new revelations.

[perroloco]

Zermocd wrote:
Romance and/or Ecchi Average Rankings

I''s: ----------------- 2.71
Kagami no Kuni: - 6.57 (Kano Yasuhiro) Serializing
Pretty Face: ------ 6.57 (Kano Yasuhiro)
Ichigo 100%: ----- 7.86
To Love Ru: ------- 8.71
Lilim Kiss: ---------- 10.86
Hatsukoi Limited:--12.86
Ane Doki: ---------- 14.00

Well look at that, intereting to say the least. It shows a very clear decline in how the ecchi mangas rank, out of the top of my head the way this manga were published corresponds exactly to how they were published on JUMP except for Kagami no Kuni, what I mean is I''S was the first published and it had the highest ranking in JUMP while the last IIRC Ane Doki got the lowest and Kagami No Kuni broke the mold..

I will add other romance manga like Video Girl Ai, Kimagure Orange Road and that manga made by Togashi (Can't remember name), does any other ecchi story exist in JUMP?? I might be forgetting some (Very likely)

Oh and thanks Zero

[Rejuvenation]

Oh wow Sket took first place this week. I absolutely love seeing that after the long road its been on and all of the recent success it has had over the last year.

Toriko rose more to the #3 spot. I was happy it has consistently been top 5 but seeing it in the top 3 again is always better.

Not surprised by Bakuman's low rank. It is fully deserved. Harusigawa appears to be cooling off a bit more. Lets see if it can hang around a bit and stabilize itself there or if it starts sinking like a rock.

[Sky Render]

Harusigawa appears to be cooling off a bit more. Lets see if it can hang around a bit and stabilize itself there or if it starts sinking like a rock.

I don't think so, it's the only romcom avaliable and it's a fun read.

On the other hand, Ane Doki bombed.

[Zeltrax]

I don't read sket dance, I only watch the anime but its really good and since you guys said it, I'm sure it deserves that place :D

Not really glad that reborn is up there again but I guess this might be the final arc of reborn!
Seems like engima is going to be over...and mago, please don't end up in the last place after engima.
Oh and I like that kurogane is up there, I hope it stays that way too.

[Cavallone Dino]

Reborn in top 5 !!
<3 very glad

[Reith]

Sket Dance was the first gag manga to get 1st place? (excludin Cover & First Chapter)

[Pirulito]

No.
Gintama has gotten first place a few times.

[StrangerAtaru]

Been a weird few days preventing me from commenting...but Sket getting first is a nice surprise. Been a while since a pure gag series has taken tops, so congrats to it. And...yeah, Enigma did make a year but it's pretty much dead now. Too bad, sort of discounting the entire '10 class with it going already.

[perroloco]

@Reith: Pretty much every gag manga has at least had one 1st place on its run.
IIRC most mangas didn't take that long to take 1st place, in example Shimabukuro's (TORIKO mangaka) Leader Takeshi won a couple of first places on its first year IIRC...
Also I don't even have to check since I am pretty sure Gintama has gotten at least a 1st place too..
And there are 2 mangas whose anime adaptations had the most ratings on TV, Dokonjo Gaeru and Dr. Slump, its obvious both of these titles were pretty popular on their days and ranked very good on the TOCs managing to get lots of 1st places.
IIRC Kochikame had its fair share of 1st place too.
Sexy Commando and Jaguar didn't got 1st place for obvious reasons.

(BTW is there any site with TOCs from 2001-onwards since biwa doesn't have from 2001 onwards).

TL: DR no, Sket Dance is not the first gag manga and it definetly took long for it to get a first place in comparison to 90% of other gag mangas in JUMP, although to be fair the series of the past didn't had to compete with a Big 3 barrier and also in the past the manga that got the Cover not necessarily got the Color pages so that helped because CP normally would go to a popular title so the manga that would have been 1st place that week was CP likely, so the 2nd place would in turn be 1st place.

EDIT: But I am definetly happy about SD getting 1st place, diversity is always nice, hopefully BLEACH doesn't return to BIG 3, I hope BIG 3 becomes BIG 2 (ONE PIECE and NARUTO) and while BLEACH probably won't get ranked top 3 it won't be cancelled not as long as it anime keeps running.
IMO REBORN will likely end soon, no anime means no manga lol. And NARUTO seems like its gonna finish soon (As in 1-3 years soon) so that will provide more diversity to the TOC (No BIG3 anymore).
Of course this is all my wishful thinking.

[Sky Render]

IMO REBORN will likely end soon, no anime means no manga lol. And NARUTO seems like its gonna finish soon (As in 1-3 years soon) so that will provide more diversity to the TOC (No BIG3 anymore).
Of course this is all my wishful thinking.

Well, Toriko will take Naruto's place for sure, and as for the third place, who knows. Maybe Bleach gets back to its feet with the Royal Guards and all that.

What's sure is that many "big" series will be ending pretty soon. As in, Naruto, Bakuman (since its story can't stretch much more) and possibly Reborn.

I mean, whoah. Naruto's ending, man.

[perroloco]

I definetly see all NARUTO, Bakuman and REBORN! ending in a 1-3 year period. IIRC I also said Gintama was gonna end soon probably, the author has far surpassed the 30 volumes mark he said would do.. But that many mangas ending in so short of a time would be a big hit to the magazine..
But still its not like these mangas don't have replacements, if NARUTO ends TORIKO could become the next big thing (emphasis on could) as for Bakuman I don't know but Gintama already has a sort of Spiritual succesor in Sket DANCE.
I also think Hunter X Hunter is gonna end in this batch of chapters, and if not in this batch of chapters in the upcoming batch. I base this conclusion in the new anime, there wouldn't really be a point in making a new adaptation if the studio didn't knew the manga would end soon.. Kinda like FMA Brotherhood, the studio did the adaptation because Arakawa knew she was about to end it soon, you can see she had to put lots of more things quicker and in less pages though.

[Crude]

Way to go Sket Dance!! It's definitely the series that I'm enjoying the most at the moment! As for Bakuman, I know it's had a bit of a slump but it shouldn't rank that bad. That's just me though. It's also good to see Reborn! doing so good!

[Drmke]

I also think Hunter X Hunter is gonna end in this batch of chapters, and if not in this batch of chapters in the upcoming batch. I base this conclusion in the new anime, there wouldn't really be a point in making a new adaptation if the studio didn't knew the manga would end soon.. Kinda like FMA Brotherhood, the studio did the adaptation because Arakawa knew she was about to end it soon, you can see she had to put lots of more things quicker and in less pages though.

Except the new Hunter x Hunter anime is not a reboot in any sense of the word but simply an animating of the just recently finished Ant arc. I highly doubt Hunter x Hunter ends anytime soon. Definitely not within this batch of chapters (assuming it is a batch and not back for regular serialization).

Personally, I see Naruto, Bakuman, and Reborn potentially ending soon as a good thing. It will free up space for newer series to flourish. Maybe Jump won't have as many massive selling hits but I'd be cool with that. Of course, Bakuman could actually be stretched out for quite a long time. There are so many difficulties mangaka face the authors could explore even after they get an anime, so who knows. Only definite "gonna end soon" manga is Naruto.

As for that ToC thing, great seeing Sket Dance on top and consisting being in the top five, same with Toriko. New faces up there is refreshing. I hope Kurogane ranks decently well. It's a lot more entertaining than people have given it credit for. Sure it's nothing new but it's still a solid sports series so far. Plus I'd love to see how the kendo thing plays out over the course of the series. Shame about Enigma but the author kinda wrote herself into a corner with the story's premise. After the E-test, it didn't really have anywhere to go.

Even though I don't read Harisugawa, I'm still happy is doing well since it adds some diversity but I'd gladly sacrifice it to save Stars :scry The latest chapter was quite interesting and maybe(?) could help it in the ranks but who knows. Hopefully at least it or Kurogane will survive but knowing my luck...:(

[Schabrak]

But it is a reanimation from the beginning of the series and not the Ant Arc, I doubt it will any time soon though. He can't just end it with Gon surviving his current situation.

[Jaymie]

The new HxH Anime is most definitely a reboot... Just saying.

[Kaiten]

Sket Dance was the first gag manga to get 1st place? (excludin Cover & First Chapter)

Sket isn't really a gag manga, not like Jaguar or Inumaru. It is more slice of life/school life with a good sense of humor, rather than comedy. Humor is very important to the story but the focus is on the characters and their lives, rather than simple jokes. Despite being an assistant I would not even compare his style to Gintama. Sket Dance seems more influenced by Adachi, with a very similar pace, style, and attitude. Cross Game without the baseball would be a good comparison. I am also a member of the "need to catch up on Sket" club, it's been a while since I read.

[Drmke]

But it is a reanimation from the beginning of the series and not the Ant Arc, I doubt it will any time soon though. He can't just end it with Gon surviving his current situation.

Really? Crap I'm behind D: Last I heard, it was just gonna be the Ant arc...my bad lol

Either way, it still doesn't appear to be setting up for and end...of course it could end in the classic Togashi fashion......

[perroloco]

Schabrank wrote:
But it is a reanimation from the beginning of the series and not the Ant Arc, I doubt it will any time soon though. He can't just end it with Gon surviving his current situation.

Or can he?

IMO there are 2 types of endings, the ones where the plot is pretty much closed and the ones where certain plot elements aren't closed..
Examples of the first would be Yu-Gi-Oh!, Hoshin Engi, Rurouni Kenshin.. examples of the other are most sport manga (I have seen that most sport manga tend to end in a National Tournament arc of sorts and if they continue is in another magazine), Dragon Ball, Yu Yu Hakusho, Saint Seiya, Shaman King, Hikaru No GO.. Now for both SS and SK those titles were cancelled and SK had its true ending and SS is now being continued.. But YYH was left like that with tons of things unresolved..

I just hope Togashi doesn't pull another YYH, but I can definetly see him doing that.

What I mean is that there are certain mangas where you just don't see the ending coming and then.. it just comes.
If you have watched/read Dragon Ball imagine you were a reader in Japan, would you have guessed the manga was gonna end 2,3 weeks before that?? Or if you have read Slam DUNK, would you? Or have you read Hikaru No Go, if you have then we can be clear you couldn't have guessed the manga was gonna end like that..
HUNTER X HUNTER just feels like that sort of manga, after all the whole purpose of the series wasn't to be like for Gon to be the best Hunter ever but to find his father and it could be quite close to that, sure LOTS of things are left opened but, c'mon its Togashi we are talking about.
Right now the mystery of Killua's family seems to be resolving, out of the top of my mind the other important plot lines are Kurapika vs the Spiders, Hisoka wanting to fight Kuroro, Gon meeting his father.. And well there is this thing that has been bugging me since it was mentioned, Melody (IIRC) mentioned Sonata of Darkness or something like that and since that chapter I have been dying for an arc involving the Sonata of Darkness.. I guess it won't happen LOL

BTW I HOPE I AM NOT RIGHT AS I LOVE HUNTER X HUNTER.

[Pirulito]

Are you sure Saint Seiya was cancelled back then, perroloco?

[Negative Syndicate]

Are you sure Saint Seiya was cancelled back then, perroloco?

Yeah, it was kind of cancelled. Saint Seiya ended during the last battle becasue its ranking has decreased; therefore, Kurumada released its final chapter in V Jump and he extended chapter in final volume.

[perroloco]

I think the ending pretty much answers itself..
The most foreshadowed of all battles (well apart from Zeus..) ending in a single chapter.. WTF?! And with THAT ending. (I don´want to spoil, we all know how Hades arc ended)
Yeah it was cancelled.
As Negative Syndicate wrote it was so cancelled Kurumada was pretty much obligated to move the ending to V-Jump, although to be fair it was V-Jump's first issue from what I have heard so you can say Saint Seiya was its first manga LOL.

[Asgaroth]

naruto:
don't know why all of you think naruto's ending isn't far away, but his goal is not to finish of madara (or who the ex-tobi guy is), nor to help sasuke. his only goal is to become hokage. after the great war he could do something like a time skip and naruto will be a leader like kakashi. not like i want that to happen, but dragonball was longer than he wanted, death note had the same fate and so on.

bakuman:
i don't think that it will go longer than 5 chapters after the anime aired. you can do more stuff like working with the anime corporation and other stuff, but that would only be the cause if there is a goal, something bigger and more important than marry his girlfriend.


hxh:
gon needs only to find his father, that could be the end. the spider group and his friends rotten family aren't really "plot holes". there isn't a need to show them again, also hisoka's fight. the symphony of darkness is a perfect example for that. it's foreshadowing to extent the content of the story. afterwards you can say "oh look, that was mentioned and look how important it was", but thats only true if it's shown. now it's just a detail of the world without relevance to the story, because the main characters goals are not effected by it.

reborn:
i read every chapter but somehow i forgot a lot of things that were foreshadowed. in my opinion should this be the last arc and let him be the mafia boss. is there anything after reborns transformation, that needs to be cleared of? the mangaka recycles now all of his ex-bosses for a grand ending. don't think the she could do a better ending with all parties involved than that.

[perroloco]

@Asgaroth:
Some mangas end even if the main character's goal isn't fullfilled.
As for Naruto:


Its because all plot is resolving and this seems like it will be the last or one of the last arcs.
Let me put it this way, if Madara is beaten and Sasuke becomes a good guy again (Or he is killed) then what? There isn't anything more to resolve!
SURE Kishimoto could extent the manga but I don't think he will. I don't know what could Kishimoto made up, he has already shown us tons of super-powerful characters being resurrected, I can't see something topping that.
Dragon Ball was longer but Goku never really had a clear goal.
Death Note was extended and the second part is generally not as loved as the first part.

[Darjaille]

Viz to Launch Weekly Shonen Jump Alpha Digital Anthology
posted on 2011-10-14 09:32 EDT
Bakuman., Bleach, Naruto, Nura, One Piece, Toriko chapters posted 2 weeks after Japan

The North American manga publisher Viz Media announced at New York Comic Con on Friday that it will launch a new weekly digital manga anthology called Weekly Shonen Jump Alpha on January 30, 2012. Each issue of the anthology will have installments of Bakuman., Bleach, Naruto, Nura: Rise of the Yokai Clan, One Piece, and Toriko — two weeks after their print debut in Japan's Weekly Shonen Jump magazine.

Weekly Shonen Jump Alpha will be available on VizManga.com and Viz Manga apps for the iPhone, iPod touch and iPad devices. An annual membership will cost US$25.99 for 48 weekly issues. (Weekly Shonen Jump takes a few weeks off during the year in Japan.) Single issues will cost US$0.99 for a four-week rental. Any issue on one device can be read on another device with the same user account via VizManga.com or the Viz Manga app.

Viz will also offer Shonen Jump Digital Warp — an accelerated digital release of select manga titles to bridge the gap between the latest English graphic novels in print and the latest Japanese installments in print. For example, Shonen Jump Digital Warp is starting from Naruto volume 53 now. (Viz published the print version of Naruto volume 52 last month.)

After Weekly Shonen Jump Alpha launches, Viz Media plans to stop publishing the print edition of its Shonen Jump magazine next March with the "farewell April 2012 issue." Viz has been publishing the monthly magazine since 2003.

Source: ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/viz-to-launch-weekly-shonen-jump-alpha-digital-anthology)

Well, sounds good, and bad. I bet they'll go after scanlation groups harder.
But it's good to hear that jump thinks of their international readers. Although, it's USA/CA only?

[Divinenega]

^

I;d raise an eyebrow about it being two weeks afterwards, but knowing how Shueisha is, that was probably the best offer Viz could get from them. I;ll probably be checking this out, though I'm hoping they'll add more series if this does well.

[Asgaroth]

seems like us/ca only, which would be bad for me. also that scanlation groups will "maybe" pick other series to translate, so that they would stop me from reading any of the mentioned mangas at all. hopefully both of this will not happen, could be bad for my otaku heart =). otherwise if the translation in a good quality and the app is not bugy and so on, would this be a great thing. 25$ a year for all chapters of these mangas sounds great. biggest problem would be for me that i don't have a ipad and the iphone is not big enough to enjoy reading manga on it.

[Bomber D Rufi]

Source: ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/viz-to-launch-weekly-shonen-jump-alpha-digital-anthology)

Well, sounds good, and bad. I bet they'll go after scanlation groups harder.
But it's good to hear that jump thinks of their international readers. Although, it's USA/CA only?

Posted this in another thread, but these are my thoughts.

No Gintama, no interest. >_> Besides I don't really read any of the titles they mentioned outside of One piece.

What I'm more interested in is how this could possibly affect translations and scantlations in the future.....cause regardless of how stubborn some people might be, I doubt scantlators are going to waste time on something that'll be done in two weeks anyway.

(Now scantlation rips in the vein of Horriblesub's CR rips are a completely different matter.)

I wonder if this means that scantlators and translators will finally have to start picking up niche series, and not just the next series Jump vomits out?

Crap, didn't mean to discuss this here...uh...new thread?

[Muddy]

I noticed a few people saying above that the second half of Death Note was "extended," which I take to mean that the editors forced the mangaka to continue the manga even though they wanted to end it. Is this speculation, or has it actually been confirmed by Obata or Ohba?

[calimike]

http://shonenjump.viz.com/sites/shonenjump.viz.com/files/articles/AlphaWebBanner.jpg

[Kaiten]

I wonder if this means that scantlators and translators will finally have to start picking up niche series, and not just the next series Jump vomits out?

Crap, didn't mean to discuss this here...uh...new thread?

Nah. It's going to be like crunchyroll. No one wants to wait two weeks to pay for something they can get for free at Mangastream. Not every new Jump series is translated anymore, some like Light Wing take forever to get translated into English, if they ever do. I bet Alpha helps those series.

[Bomber D Rufi]

Nah. It's going to be like crunchyroll. No one wants to wait two weeks to pay for something they can get for free at Mangastream. Not every new Jump series is translated anymore, some like Light Wing take forever to get translated into English, if they ever do. I bet Alpha helps those series.

I guess it makes sense for them to stick with established hits before trying other manga....personally I'm still really sour with Viz over you-know-what. (Considering that I actually bought every one of their English releases, I think I'm entitled to be pissed off.) Though I could be won over with licenses of stuff like Beelze or something.

But yeah, I figure all this will do is give the people who buy stuff just one more reason to bitch at those who read Mangastream or get their stuff for free. Manga class wars here we come.

[Kaiten]

I've soured on the manga industry in general. They blame all of their problems on scanlators than proceed to make dumb business decisions. Whether Shueisha or VIZ's decision, delaying chapters of some of the most popular manga internationally for two weeks is idiotic. Everyone knows that people would be willing to pay to read Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Bakuman, Hunter x Hunter et al the second they come out in Japan. Would anyone be willing to pay to wait two weeks after scanlators are able to get chapters out? I doubt it.

[MattC302]

When asked why there was going to be a two-week delay in between the appearance of Shonen Jump in Japan and the digital Shonen Jump Alpha in North America, Viz Media's Senior VP and General Manager Alvin Lu said: "We wanted to give ourselves some room for improvement. If we can get this right, we will close the two-week gap in the future."

source: ICv2 (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/21253.html#)

---------------------------
So it seems that they will slowly close the gap between Japanese and English releases. If they can start doing this with even more series besides the 6 chosen, they may have something big. I'm still not big on paying for digital manga, but if they can get One Piece and a few of my other favorites within a week of the Japanese release, I will definitely consider it.

[perroloco]

That's as bad a excuse as it gets.
I'm not an scanlator, manga editor or what have you, so I don't really know.. But how come the folks at mangastream can get the manga pretty much in less than 24 hours? While VIZ which very likely will receive a clean, pre-scanned version of the mangas will take a lot more?
Sure they have to change the kanas for english letters but still..

And I still don't understand why Viz doesn't like do a in demand print, I don't believe cancelled mangas like Gintama or REBORN! wouldn't cover translation costs, maybe that's more Shueisha's fault, I have heard contracts with Shueisha (Or any other manga company really) involve a package of series and for every certain number of volumes you have to pay in advance, and then you pay rolaties for each sold book or something like that..

[WilliamK]

I wouldn't mind the gap, as even if I did read it online, I would still buy it for a small price of $0.99. However, I'm sure Australia will be left out of the equation and even if it wasn't, I'm sure it'd be longer than 2 weeks. Though good luck to them. ;)

[Jaymie]

That's as bad a excuse as it gets.
I'm not an scanlator, manga editor or what have you, so I don't really know.. But how come the folks at mangastream can get the manga pretty much in less than 24 hours? While VIZ which very likely will receive a clean, pre-scanned version of the mangas will take a lot more?
Sure they have to change the kanas for english letters but still..

That's not a bad excuse at all. It's actually fairly reasonable. They don't want to promise simultaneous releases and then have multiple delays, so they took the safest option. And they already said that they're planning on closing the gap, so there's nothing to really complain about.

Viz is also different from scanlators. They only work during office hours, which limits how much they can work on their series, and they have to deal with other series on top of the simultaneous releases.

[Newkerzy]

So, in other words, Viz is going to try and close the gap when they can get themselves adapted to the current system, right?? Not bad. I can agree and understand. But until Viz catches up, I think we're going to be relying on scanlations for a little while. When the time comes, scanlations will altogether stop. (For the Big 3, that is)

A better idea is to do a joint venture with the scanlators, that way, Viz can get them out insanely fast. Lastly, they have to make it region-free. Otherwise, that's not gonna shutdown scanlations.

[Asgaroth]

A better idea is to do a joint venture with the scanlators, that way, Viz can get them out insanely fast. Lastly, they have to make it region-free.

never gonna happen in my lifetime, that a corporation would do such a thing or something similiar. it's like begging hacker to join a software company to help improve... oh wait, that did happen, but were talking about viz...

[Bomber D Rufi]

I've soured on the manga industry in general. They blame all of their problems on scanlators than proceed to make dumb business decisions. Whether Shueisha or VIZ's decision, delaying chapters of some of the most popular manga internationally for two weeks is idiotic. Everyone knows that people would be willing to pay to read Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Bakuman, Hunter x Hunter et al the second they come out in Japan. Would anyone be willing to pay to wait two weeks after scanlators are able to get chapters out? I doubt it.

QFT.

Though I hope this spreads to other mags besides Jump. I'm so sick and tired of not being able to read Shounen Sunday series because half of the mag doesn't get raw scans. Hell, I hope they do other series besides the big 2. I'd consider reading One piece from them, but again I'm still really pissed about the Gintama thing. Now there's no way to access the series outside of CR, and while I don't mind doing the translations, It sickens me to think that series not half as good as it is get dubs and timely manga releases. I bought all 23 volumes of the English version of Gintama, and I would totally buy a chapter a week (despite translating it.) The companies need to realize that it's quality NOT quantity that get people to buy. If a guy who translates a series each week is still willing to buy it, that should say something about the series's quality.

[perroloco]

Jaymie wrote:
That's not a bad excuse at all. It's actually fairly reasonable. They don't want to promise simultaneous releases and then have multiple delays, so they took the safest option. And they already said that they're planning on closing the gap, so there's nothing to really complain about.

I don't really have the right to complain since I won't be able to buy from them (I am from Mexico, likely this will be for US and Canda only) but if they don't do simultaneous releases is just.. Dumb IMO...
Isn't Rinne released simultaneously?? If it is then VIZ doesn't have any excuses (Apart from Shueisha simply don't letting Viz do a simultaneous release, which IMO is unlikely since Shueisha must know scanlations have the chapters earlier than the official release date anyway)


Jaymie wrote:
Viz is also different from scanlators. They only work during office hours, which limits how much they can work on their series, and they have to deal with other series on top of the simultaneous releases.


Totally agree!

Scanlators have to either wait for RAWs scan the manga themselves, and clean the RAWs.

Viz in the other hand would, not only receive the mangas way ahead of time, but also clean. Also I think is likely Viz would receive a sort of scan of the Name so they begin translating ahead of the time they are given the actual finished chapter (This is just my expeculation though).

I know I am being very picky but I know they can do better.

[kewl0210]

Uh, the name isn't a finished chapter. It changes from that point. But the mangaka send their finished chapters in to Shuueisha 2 weeks before the street date (Mon). And they're out in the earliest stores on the Wednesday before, which would be a week and a half.

But the other thing is, the Japanese version would obviously have to come out before an English version. So as long as a scanlation came out before the street date they'd be earlier. Manga would never end up like simulcasts. Still though, you're right in saying they could definitely do them earlier than that. If I got paid to translate manga all day, I could do like 15 (non-Gintama) chapters in a day.

And if they're basing them on scans of the manuscripts, not scans of the versions in the magazine with the low-quality ink and paper, it wouldn't require much to any photoshop cleaning.

[Negative Syndicate]

I think there aren't going to be any OVAs on this year's Jump Festa.

[Jaymie]

Enigma will most likely be canceled in the next TOC. Chapter 53 was too climatic for it to have more than a week left.

It's sort of worrisome though, because once Enigma is gone, even established series like Nura and Kuroko are at risk. ST&RS had some upsets, but it's not necessarily a bottom dweller yet. And Magico looks like it's recovering from its slump.

[arsg]

The main thing that would make me subscribe would be the addition of more manga, especially ones whose scans are lagging. A two week delay would be a big improvement for some series, I think adding content unavailable from anyone else would give them a big boost.

[Sayaendo]

Enigma will most likely be canceled in the next TOC. Chapter 53 was too climatic for it to have more than a week left.

It's sort of worrisome though, because once Enigma is gone, even established series like Nura and Kuroko are at risk. ST&RS had some upsets, but it's not necessarily a bottom dweller yet. And Magico looks like it's recovering from its slump.
Isn't the next cancellation in December?

[Jaymie]

Isn't the next cancellation in December?

There aren't any specific times for cancellations. Sakaki probably got a notice of cancellation a few weeks ago, which is why the series has headed towards a conclusion. It's possible that she ended the series on her own terms before it could get canceled, but the end result is the same either way.

[Negative Syndicate]

Isn't the next cancellation in December?

I think it is coming soon since Murata said his coming back (but he could return to Young Jump), so the old series should start to get end/axe as early as next week.

[Zeromcd]

Jump Issue #46 Preview

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n482/zeromcd/nextImg_big-1.jpg

Lead CP/Cover: Bleach
Center Colour: Beelzebub, Welcome to the Competitive Dance Club (Oneshot, 47pg)

This is the last Issue of the Autumn Special Oneshots, so we could be expecting series to be cancelled (Enigma/ST&RS) and new series to come in.

Issue #46 might have the Golden Future Cup results.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I was hoping Kurogane would be in the bottom 5 this week, but seeing it in the preview page makes me doubtful.

[StrangerAtaru]

Viz's idea of a web-based nearly close to the magazine Jump isn't too bad an idea...too bad it just feels like it's coming way too late in the game. I agree with the whole lack of Gintama that was brought up, but I also have to just say that this really should have come while people probably still gave a damn about what Viz wants to do.

[R4n]

I love the idea of subscribing softcopies of japanese manga magazine. To be honest, i read and am a fan of many series from other magazines. WSJ is only 6-7% of what i read. I will not pay for Viz's magazine at this moment because none of the series attracts me (and i can read the *cough*pirated*cough* version faster anyway).
If the idea spreads to all other magazines and the release date is simultaneous, i will gladly pay for the subscriptions. In fact, i actually think the softcopy version is much more practical than the bulky hardcopy. If i want to feel the paper in my hand, i will just buy the tankoubon (like what i do for scanlated series i like). :p

I hope the idea will be a success and expand to other magazines.

[Newkerzy]

As much as some may not really agree with this, I think some MH members should subscribe to give support to them and that should motivate them to get chapters out freakin' fast. And besides, you guys can just subscribe while reading scanlation at the same time. It's the very least we should do.

[perroloco]

If there is a way to suscribe for me a Mexican then I will for One Piece and Bakuman, those are the only 2 series I read weekly, but I highly doubt Viz will do that, seems like they only get US/Canda rights.

[Bomber D Rufi]

As much as some may not really agree with this, I think some MH members should subscribe to give support to them and that should motivate them to get chapters out freakin' fast. And besides, you guys can just subscribe while reading scanlation at the same time. It's the very least we should do.

Yeaaaah after buying 23 volumes of Gintama and getting burned I don't think I'll suport them unless they intend on bringing it back. Especially since, yanno I don't NEED English tanks. I won't discourage anyone from joining if they so wish, so good luck to the rest of you~

[perroloco]

@Bomber:
Would you support a digital release-only continuation of Gintama? Like from volume 24 and on?

[Bomber D Rufi]

@Bomber:
Would you support a digital release-only continuation of Gintama? Like from volume 24 and on?

I sure would. If they announced this I'd even put up with ads for Naruto and Bleach. But since the likelihood of this happening is zero to none, I'm not going to bother wasting valuble translating time wishing for it.

[Asgaroth]

I'm not going to bother wasting valuble translating time wishing for it.

i think it's determination and passion they lacking. this guy's does the translation because he wants to, not for money but for ... loving the series? thats something that holds back translators motivation on a hard project like gintama, which would require more time, but even than not 2 whole weeks. does anyone know how many translator work at viz? with 7 guys they "could" do a release within 3-5 days without problems.

[Jaiden82]

Viz's idea of a web-based nearly close to the magazine Jump isn't too bad an idea...too bad it just feels like it's coming way too late in the game.

Me too. This idea should have came about the same time crunchyroll did their thing probably even sooner than that. But like I think Kaiten said it best, nobody wants to wait two weeks for something they can get for free. As long as it lasts anyway.

[Shinsatsu]

Me too. This idea should have came about the same time crunchyroll did their thing probably even sooner than that. But like I think Kaiten said it best, nobody wants to wait two weeks for something they can get for free. As long as it lasts anyway.
They tried to kill the anime with the same technique and failed.
I am not worried at all =D ! I <3 scans and scanlation groups and I hope they grow bigger and more famous :D

[Oberon]

V Jump Issue #12:
http://thumbnails57.imagebam.com/15457/f24e40154563852.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f24e40154563852)

Yu-Gi-Oh ZEXAL is on the Cover!

[Haato]

V Jump Issue #12:
http://thumbnails57.imagebam.com/15457/f24e40154563852.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f24e40154563852)

Yu-Gi-Oh ZEXAL is on the Cover!

As much as I love Yugioh, Zexal just looks ridiculous XD

Thanks for posting the cover :3

[TitaniumChloride]

V Jump Issue #12:
http://thumbnails57.imagebam.com/15457/f24e40154563852.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f24e40154563852)

Yu-Gi-Oh ZEXAL is on the Cover!

It's V-Jump, not Shonen Jump unfortunately. Nice cover though.
Sorry about that. I really need to sleep more. @@

[Negative Syndicate]

It's V-Jump, not Shonen Jump unfortunately. Nice cover though.

Oberon did wrote as V Jump.

---------- Post added October 19, 2011 at 01:32 AM ---------- Previous post was October 18, 2011 at 09:21 PM ----------


3 名前：T ◆27p9/DnZE//X [sage] 投稿日：2011/10/19(水) 14:13:12.64 発信元:218.46.108.181
46号

ドべから
スターズ
エニグマ
ハンター
ｺﾁｶﾒ
黒子
47号巻頭はトリコ
ｃカラー　クロガネ　ﾊﾞｸﾏﾝ　

Issue 46 Bottom 5:
Kuroko no Basket
Kochikame
Hunter x Hunter
Enigma
St&rs

Issue 47:
Lead CP: Toriko
CP: Bakuman, Kurogane

[Animeace]

Hunter in the bottom 5 again not surprised been boring guess if it continues to tank it will go on Hiatus again. Looking like St&rs will be the first to bight it now if Enigma can just hang in there a little longer.

[kewl0210]

Hunter is almost always low ranked because of the hiatuses, causing it to have most of its audience getting the volumes. I really think the recent events have been amazing, though.

Even though Kuroko is getting an anime it still dwells at that 5th or so spot. Perhaps once the anime starts it'll do a little better.

[Zangetsu01]

Jump #46
Cover :

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/9452537_IMG_3841.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/9452537/IMG_3841.JPG.html)

Hungry Joker from Yûki Tabata wins the Golden Cup

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/9452539_IMG_3842.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/9452539/IMG_3842.JPG.html)

Jump #47 :Kurogane (25p)
Kuroko (23p)

[Negative Syndicate]

So Hungry Joker win this year's Golden Future Cup. Hungry Joker isn't bad, but I hoped Murahagane to win.

[calimike]

515 ：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2011/10/19(水) 18:17:57.10 ID:ahLlaE2kO

表紙ブリーチ
巻頭ブリーチ
ナルト
ワンピ
トリコ
ぎんたま
スケット
クロガネ
リボン
競技ダンス部Ｃ
バクマン
めだか
いぬまる
べるぜＣ
マジコ
ぬらり
鏡の国
黒子
こち亀
ハンター
エニグマ
スターズ


47号 トリコ巻頭
クロガネ Ｃ
バクマン Ｃ

[Oberon]

：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2011/10/19(水) 18:17:57.10 ID:ahLlaE2kO

表紙ブリーチ
巻頭ブリーチ
ナルト
ワンピ
トリコ
きんたま
スケット
クロガネ
リボン
競技ダンス部Ｃ
バクマン
めだか
いぬまる
べるぜＣ
マジコ
ぬらり
鏡の国
黒子
こち亀
ハンター
エニグマ
スターズ


47号 トリコ巻頭
クロガネ Ｃ
バクマン Ｃ


Jump #46 (24/10) :
Bleach (Cover & Lead Color Page)
Naruto
One Piece
Toriko
Gintama
Sket Dance
Kurogane (First Rank)
Reborn!
Welcome to the Competitive Dance Club (Color Page, One Shot, 47 pg.)
Bakuman
Medaka Box
Inumaru Dashi
Beelzebub (Color Page)
Magico
Nurarihyon no Mago
Harisugawa in Mirror world
Kuroko no Basket
Kochikame
Hunter x Hunter
Enigma
ST&RS

#47:
Lead CP: Toriko
CP: Bakuman, Kurogane (25 pg.)
Extra Pages: Kuroko no Basket

[Nayrael]

WSJ #46 Pure rankings:

01. Naruto (~c552)
02. One Piece (~c635)
03. Toriko (~c154)
04. Gintama (~c366)
05. Sket Dance (~c198)
06. Kurogane (~c01)
07. Reborn! (~c349)
08. Bakuman (~c145)
09. Medaka Box (~c111)
10. Inumaru Dashi (~c144)
11. Magico (~c24)
12. Nurarihyon no Mago (~c167)
13. Harisugawa in Mirror world (~c07)
14. Kuroko no Basket (~c130)
15. Kochikame
16. Hunter x Hunter
17. Enigma (~c46)
18. ST&RS (~c08)

Competitive Dance Club is a Oneshoot and thus not ranked
Bleach (~c461), Beelzebub (~c121) not ranked due to having a Color Page

Yes, I am including Kochikame and HxH now. While neither will likely get canceled, their positions in ToC make it unlikely that it is not affected by the ranking system. But even if they aren't in danger, WSJ will probably be a little bit more kind to series that rank better than those in Bottom 5 than if they rank worse.
Also added the "~" symbol behind chapter numbers to make sure that it is not necessary that exact chapter that is ranked. Might make some less happy to complain about the "8 chapters" rule.

P.S. I just remembered hearing once how Kochikame is not even offered as an option in questionaries. Can anyone confirm this?

[Estranho]

I'm not sure about the ranking of the other One Shots in Golden Cup, the image is too blurry for me.
Someone?

[SoulEaterFreak]

Haha =D It was obvious the chapter with Sasuke would take first place (I counted 8 chapter...560-559-558-557-556-555-554-553)

[Reith]

What a good start to Kurogane, but St&rs also have the same and now is dead last.

[Sky Render]

What's up with Magico being so high alluvasudden... and Harisugawa is going down. Oh well, might be just an one-chapter downfall.

[Jaiden82]

Nice TOC. Naruto taking the #1 spot should be no surprise. Don't believe the Kurogane will stay in the top 10 for long. Reborn slipped to 7th this week while Bakuman remains in 9th (dammit). Glad Magico and Mago avoided the bottom this week with Harisugawa behind them. Though I think it will rebound. Poor ST&RS I really don't want it to get cancelled, its good and it really just needs more time to gain more fans.

[Sayaendo]

Man, I really want to read Hungry Joker now. Still no translation for that one?

[Divinenega]

I;m sort of surprised Kurogane is doing well. I mean it isn;t bad or anything, but I figured with Kuroko now being the big JUMP sports series, interest in a replacement would have died down. It;s cool though, and hopefully the series will continue to get better.

And I guess Magico's low rankings over the last few weeks really was just the readers utterly despising that one story arc(I did too). I personally don;t think it;s really improved enough to go all the way back to the safe zone, but at this point at least one or two of the newer series need to live, and it will probably get better.

Everything else on the rankings is kind of where it should be surprisingly.

[Rejuvenation]

One Piece and Toriko in the top 3 as it should be. Sket Dance seems to be making a home in the top 5 which makes me really happy. Bakuman seems to have bounced back from its lull in quality. Magico has risen too and saved itself from getting killed in the process. Of course I'm mainly happy about Medaka's continued stability in the middle ranks as of late.

St&rs and Enigma are the next ones to go from the looks of it. Also figures that just as I start reading Harusigawa it goes and starts declining in rank. Should have just waited a year like I was intending from the start. Kurogane starts high but whether it stays there or levels off remains to be seen.

I'll be happy with the Bakuman and Toriko colors next week.

[Newkerzy]

It's not that bad. The chapter that was ranked was actually a pretty slow chapter, so it's understandable. But the fact that it barely missed the bottom 5 says something. Because I would think that chapter might probably be in the bottom 5 or maybe should have been in bottom 5. I think Harisugawa has a steady fanbase as of now.

[Mr. Prince]

I couldn't care less about the TOC... HUNGRY JOKER, f*ck yeah!!! I was sooo totally rooting for the series but I had a feeling that Murahagane and WOLF x RED had better feedback around 2ch and the likes. But damn, now I'm so happy and thrilled.

Congrats to this well deserved victory. I hope it will make a great series, it's got the potential to do so!

[Drmke]

Kurogane!! It's a solid sports series with potential. Has more mass appeal than Stars which sadly doesn't seem like it'll rise :(

[naruto-niichan]

The TOC looks fine to me, happy to see Medaka and Mago out of the bottom. Both definitely deserve a good ranking, the last few chapters were quite entertaining.
Happy about Sket Dance as well, I started the series recently and I'm enjoying it a lot!

Sad to see ST&RS and Enigma so low, both are pretty much goners now. Enigma's latest chapters already pointed towards the end and I have very little hope for ST&RS to revocer.

I don't read Harisugawa and Kurogane but if they should be able to have a consistent good ranking I might try them.

And I want to read Hungry Joker now :oh

[Negative Syndicate]

It looks like Magico slowly recovers to his old ranking from struggle in bottom 5.

It looks like both Enigma and St&rs in danger, but in story-wise, I don't see St&rs is heading toward the ending. Enigma is heading toward the end of its story, but I don't see the St&rs author trying to wrap up the story. Maybe the fate of St&rs will be determined on number of new series; if there going to be three new series, then St&rs going to axed for sure.

[edw]

the magazine will have a break?

[Negative Syndicate]

the magazine will have a break?

In Christaman, but not now.

[Zeltrax]

Uh...okaaay. Magico is back up again, I'm not a fan so I can't say whether it deserves it or not as compared
to Engima and St&Rs which are both potentially good series. We'll have to say goodbye to one of them soon.

Great to see kurogane do so well :D I want it to stay the same, I like that series.
I hope mago rises higher tho, it deserves more and it seems like reborn! is falling back again.
lol at the expected rise in naruto due to a certain character.

[Kaiten]

St&rs is a major disappointment. A nice series with solid writing and premise but does not seem to have struck the right chord in Japan. Maybe it can limp along for a year like Sket Dance did and gradually build an audience.

[Jaymie]

I hope Magico lasts. It managed to escape from rock bottom, which is an amazing feat. Enigma and ST&RS are on their deathbed right about now.

Harisugawa is starting to topple over. It's almost inevitable that a new series will sink after having a strong start. It's happened to almost every single series since Enigma. I'm sure it will happen to Kurogane too.

[Newkerzy]

FAIL. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-18/shonen-jump-alpha-to-be-available-only-in-u.s-canada)

Total fail on Viz's part.....

[ick]

FAIL. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-18/shonen-jump-alpha-to-be-available-only-in-u.s-canada)

Total fail on Viz's part.....I don't think so, it's rather normal.
In other countries WJS titles are licensed by other and many different publishing houses. So modify or terminate the contract just to publish few title online (with two weeks gap) is useless.

[Newkerzy]

But they want to stop scanlations. How are they supposed to do that when scanlations will just keep flourishing thanks to their ignorance of the international community?? I will be pissed if they send a C&D order to MS. Before they even think of doing that, they should reflect on themselves and realize that the reason why it's still going is because they're refusing to make it region-free.

[R4n]

er, i think it is not that they 'refuse'. Negotiating rights is not simple >_>
...Let's not assume this and that. :)

[Asgaroth]

er, i think it is not that they 'refuse'. Negotiating rights is not simple >_>
...Let's not assume this and that. :)

besides whats the point for them? more rights mean more money costs for it, this means the revenue must be higher for them which wouldn't be. i could imagine uk, but other non-english nation would not buy english translation of mangas, besides the point that the ipad isn't so well recieved in germany as in the usa. same goes for ebooks and kindle...

ps: germans can speak/read english, but to enjoy reading manga, they need their native language for their pleasure, to loose the mind and not to work how the translation could be. the market share for people who read english mangas without problems and enjoy is rather small. don't think this would be much different for other countries like france, spain.

[[Cross]]

But they want to stop scanlations. How are they supposed to do that when scanlations will just keep flourishing thanks to their ignorance of the international community?? I will be pissed if they send a C&D order to MS. Before they even think of doing that, they should reflect on themselves and realize that the reason why it's still going is because they're refusing to make it region-free.

This is pretty common. I'm surprised people expected different, I mean they have a 2 week gap for one. It'll be a while before they get the details fixed to their/our liking.

[R4n]

@ Asgaroth: yeah, so true. Technically, my country's 'official' language is English, but a lot of people here can't speak English (my country is very culturally diverse). Plus, i know a lot of countries in which local tankoubon release is very close to the Japanese one (only 1-2 tanks behind). In my local bookstore, Japanese manga magazines can be bought easily within a few days (?) of Japanese release. But it is so expensive, so i don't see the point of buying the mags imo.

Soo... I am guessing Viz want to test the water first.

[Schabrak]

Asgaroth
With the experience of reading manga for 10+ years and english ones for just as long, my personal opinion is that there shouldn't be any kind of language barrier anymore, not if english is taught from the 3rd/4th/5th grade nowadays. The internet is mostly english, as are the most important sites, as this is. Hey don't make us look like the Frenchmen. XD Of those reading manga in germany, the percentage able to read english easily should be pretty high. Nobody's born an expert, practise helps, but some just refuse to even start trying.

[Crude]

It's bad news for me, and probably most manga readers in my country. As of yet Portugal has only translated a few series such as Dragon Ball and Yu-Gi-Oh, most of the manga (among other things such as video games) we get are in English.

[WilliamK]

As I said before, I don't mind the 2 week gaps and scanlation break down (seriously, they need to do something about Mangafox/Mangahere). On the other hand, this doesn't include Australia which disappoints me highly and therefore I won't support it till otherwise.

[[Cross]]

As I said before, I don't mind the 2 week gaps and scanlation break down (seriously, they need to do something about Mangafox/Mangahere). On the other hand, this doesn't include Australia which disappoints me highly and therefore I won't support it till otherwise.

I think that's highly counter intuitive. If more people support it, then they'll have more reason to bring it to other locations. If nobody in Australia supports it, then they won't bring it over there because... you know nobody in Australia supports it. Saying you like this and you want it to come over to your area is probably the better thing to do right now.

[Oberon]

December tankobon :

Kochi Kame #177
Kochi Kame 999 Kan - 13 Shi Shucchôban no Kan
Osamu Akimoto Sf Tanpenshû
Magico #03
Bleach #53
Tennis no Oujisama - Season 2 Deluxe #10
Enigma #06
Nurarihyon no Mago #19
Beelzebub #14
Medaka Box #13
Kuroko no Basket #15

You missed Reborn! #37 and Bakuman #16.

[k-dom]

Asgaroth
With the experience of reading manga for 10+ years and english ones for just as long, my personal opinion is that there shouldn't be any kind of language barrier anymore, not if english is taught from the 3rd/4th/5th grade nowadays. The internet is mostly english, as are the most important sites, as this is. Hey don't make us look like the Frenchmen. XD Of those reading manga in germany, the percentage able to read english easily should be pretty high. Nobody's born an expert, practise helps, but some just refuse to even start trying.

Except that it is not a big deal for us since most of the good comics of the world are translate in French one day or the other :-)
Plus in France we have our own manga publishers and Viz is not one of them. So I guess they would be right issue.

[Schabrak]

Sad truth, you get more and ealier releases than "us" for the last two decades or more. lol

[Asgaroth]

...

and for the rest of you, just a few germans words about our manga realtionship and the difficulty behind english releases.

[Sayaendo]

besides whats the point for them? more rights mean more money costs for it, this means the revenue must be higher for them which wouldn't be. i could imagine uk, but other non-english nation would not buy english translation of mangas, besides the point that the ipad isn't so well recieved in germany as in the usa. same goes for ebooks and kindle...
Serving your customers at the level they expect is expensive. Of course it's expensive. No matter the medium or industry, it's an expensive thing for a company. Viz is too cheap to pay it. Amazon and Apple aren't, and despite the lukewarm reception, their sales are growing.

Dunno how relevant that is to the thread, though.

[hisoga]

i'm sorry guys.. OT: what is this article is all about? i don't know french..
http://www.manga-news.com/index.php/actus/2011/05/17/One-Piece-n1-des-ventes-en-France

[k-dom]

It just say that One Piece has become number 1 in France before Naruto

For the occasion Glenat will translated Wanted

And something about a Strong world comic version in 2012

[perroloco]

@k-dom:
Do you know if this means that a volume of ONE PIECe has outsold a volume of NARUTO or that the combined volumes of ONE PIECE have outsold the combined number of NARUTO volumes, because if its the latter then it would be logical since OP has more volumes than NARUTO but if its the first one than yay! About time! Hopefully this becomes a global trend.
BTW does france air ONE PIECE or something? Maybe that helped the manga volumes?

[hisoga]

Thanks k-dom and also what perroloco said/asked.. and once again i'm very sorry for bring it up here..

[k-dom]

It's hard to say since there is no figure in manga-news articles.
If you look here (http://www.manga-news.com/index.php/actus/categories/1), all the articles which start with Meilleures ventes, are the top selling tankobon in France for a period of 2 months. It's difficult to say which beat which since they are not release at the same time (3 Naruto in 2011 in march, july, november against 4 One piece in january, april, september, and november).
What is certain is that according to ACBD (http://www.acbd.fr/images/stories/ACBD_BILAN_2010.pdf), in 2010, each Naruto volume was printed at 250 000 copies against 'only' 90 000 for One Piece. Let's see what the figure will be in 2011.

And about the anime, I think both are broadcasted on TNT (new terrestrial numerical TV channel) recently. But I'm not to aware of that.

[calimike]

WSJ #46 announced two voices add to Hunter x Hunter
http://otanews.livedoor.biz/archives/51832316.html

[FKM]

s!! this week we will see the new volumes of takobon right?? in the new page of shone jump i dont see these anyone can tell me where i found it ?

[naruto-niichan]

s!! this week we will see the new volumes of takobon right?? in the new page of shone jump i dont see these anyone can tell me where i found it ?

they will only show it around end of the month/start of the new one so you have to wait a bit. Some volumes show up beforehand but don't expect anything before the last days of october

[Jaymie]

December tankobon :

Kochi Kame #177
Kochi Kame 999 Kan - 13 Shi Shucchôban no Kan
Osamu Akimoto Sf Tanpenshû
Magico #03
Bleach #53
Tennis no Oujisama - Season 2 Deluxe #10
Enigma #06
Nurarihyon no Mago #19
Beelzebub #14
Medaka Box #13
Kuroko no Basket #15

Nura's gonna pass DGM and Claymore soon. That's crazy stuff. It doesn't feel like it's 19 volumes long. The same goes for Bakuman. It might be because each chapter is so jampacked with content, but it doesn't feel like it's 16 volumes long. I hope Ohbata ends it in the next nine volumes. I don't know if that's feasible, but you can definitely tell that Bakuman is winding down now.

[Negative Syndicate]

Nura's gonna pass DGM and Claymore soon.

Because weekly series release its volume much faster than monthly series.

[Zeromcd]

Fastest Series to Earn First Place in the Shounen Jump Rankings

Chapter 1
Kinnikuman
Fist of the North Star
Eyeshield 21
Ace!

Chapter 2
Dr. Slump

Chapter 3
Makuhari
Yu☆Gi☆Oh
One Piece
Seikimatsu Leader Den Takeshi
Pretty Face

Chapter 5
Yu Yu Hakusho
Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo

Chapter 6
I's
WILF HALF

[juUnior]

Chapter 6
I's
:wtf My I"s was ranked nr1 spot after only 6th chapter :wtf <3<3<3

[jose]

Hungry Joker was the winner of the gfc, but which OS was the 2nd, 3rd?

[Jaymie]

Because weekly series release its volume much faster than monthly series.

I meant in terms of series length, not publication length. It's weird that Nura is getting as long as it is. It still feels like it's a brand-new series.

Back in the day, Nura would be poised to end soon. But the average series length in WSJ has drastically increased since the late 90s.

[calimike]

WSJ #47 Preview Information
http://i56.tinypic.com/2wozqkz.jpg

[Zeromcd]

Shounen Jump Issue #47 Preview

http://i56.tinypic.com/2wozqkz.jpg


Lead CP & Cover: Toriko
Center Colour: Kurogane, Bakuman
Extra Pages: Kurogane (25pages), Kuroko no Basket (23pages)

Sket Dance x Bakuman Collaboration Information & Toriko Fanbook Information will also be in Issue #47.

[Negative Syndicate]

There was a poll for series (that started from 2000 to 2009) that represent Jump 2000s, so I'm going to upload poll result:

1st - Death Note (4,267)
2nd - Gintama (3,746)
3rd - Bleach (2,569)
4th - Toriko (658)
5th - Katekyo Hitman Reborn! - (642)
6th - Bakuman (597)
7th - Eyeshield 21 (478)
8th - Ichigo 100% (436)
9th - Beelzebub (386)
10th - Pyuu to Fuku! Jaguar - (347)

[sir_arles]

There was a poll for series (that started from 2000 to 2009) that represent Jump 2000s, so I'm going to upload poll result:

1st - Death Note (4,267)
2nd - Gintama (3,746)
3rd - Bleach (2,569)
4th - Toriko (658)
5th - Katekyo Hitman Reborn! - (642)
6th - Bakuman (597)
7th - Eyeshield 21 (478)
8th - Ichigo 100% (436)
9th - Beelzebub (386)
10th - Pyuu to Fuku! Jaguar - (347)


Source?

[Googlez_kun]

Wow,Gintama so high and even above Bleach!Congrats!I'm really happy for Sorachi there!http://mangahelpers.com/forum/customavatars/thumbs/avatar64261_111.gif

[ick]

There was a poll for series (that started from 2000 to 2009) that represent Jump 2000s, so I'm going to upload poll result:

1st - Death Note (4,267)
2nd - Gintama (3,746)
3rd - Bleach (2,569)
4th - Toriko (658)
5th - Katekyo Hitman Reborn! - (642)
6th - Bakuman (597)
7th - Eyeshield 21 (478)
8th - Ichigo 100% (436)
9th - Beelzebub (386)
10th - Pyuu to Fuku! Jaguar - (347)Death Note, Gintama and Bleach were predictable to be so high. But Eyeshield? I'd expected it to be at least fourth... Under Toriko, Reborn and Bakuman? Meh...

[susanoo13]

I didn't quite get what was the poll about, correct me if I'm wrong, the poll asked what was the best series that started in 2000-2009?

If so this is a big surprise to see Gintama above Bleach since sales/rank says differently, and aside from that does anyone know what were the tank sales for Death note more or less?

[Googlez_kun]

I didn't quite get what was the poll about, correct me if I'm wrong, the poll asked what was the best series that started in 2000-2009?

If so this is a big surprise to see Gintama above Bleach since sales/rank says differently, and aside from that does anyone know what were the tank sales for Death note more or less?
It was for which series represents JUMP at that time.I guess you could say which series they think of first when they hear JUMP between 2000-2009.

[Negative Syndicate]

Source?

The source site I got is currently having maintenance, so I'll upload it when maintenance has finished.

[OPN]

im surprised that beelzebub is actually on the list...then again its one of the only recent ish series that have gained alot of popularity so im not that surprised. im really surprised death note is first though i expected something like toriko or bleach to be there (even though the later sucks now to the point i dropped it)...

[Schabrak]

You expected Bleach to be at the top of series of the last decade, but you dropped it because of one, two arcs? lol

susanoo13
When did a series need to have strong sales to be popular? Those times are long gone.^^ And it's a vote of all those voted[>1% if numbers are true], not all readers so it will never present the complete opinion. Even if I'm not the target audience to some or they just don't appeal to me, I see why e.g. Reborn is up there.

[susanoo13]

I never got into those details and thus I asked since I didn't know, anyway thx for the answer ^^ when seeing Toriko's place in the last 40 chapters or so and the latest chapters of Sket dance in comparison to sales what you say does make perfect sense

[OPN]

You expected Bleach to be at the top of series of the last decade, but you dropped it because of one, two arcs? lol

susanoo13
When did a series need to have strong sales to be popular? Those times are long gone.^^ And it's a vote of all those voted[>1% if numbers are true], not all readers so it will never present the complete opinion. Even if I'm not the target audience to some or they just don't appeal to me, I see why e.g. Reborn is up there.
i expected it to be the biggest because of how populer it is not because how much i liked it. and ever since arancer bleach has been tangling so it wasnt just the fullbring arc that made me drop it...though it did give it a heavy push.

[MangaHelpers]

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