Naruto vs Hiruzen

[3c]

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Naruto is currently amongst the most powerful and deadly shinobi on the planet and is the current Jinchuuriki of the Nine-Tails, having fully tamed its chakra, achieving what has been called “Rikudou Mode”. He has also taken Rasengan to a level that its creator, Namikaze Minato, could only dream of by creating the monstrous Fuuton Rasenshuriken. Additionally he has mastered the ancient arts of Sage Mode and is able to greatly enhance his body and abilities with it. Naruto is known for being highly unpredictable in battle and a cunning fighter, and is a master of the Kage Bunshin technique, which is also his favorite technique in battle.
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Student of the first two Hokage and teacher of the legendary Sannin, Konohagakure's Third Hokage is a very powerful and accomplished shinobi, having earned such lofty epithets as "The Professor" and "God of Shinobi." Noted as the strongest Hokage Konohagakure ever had, he stands as the longest living and longest reigning Hokage, but with his old age, he has become a shadow of his former self, although he still was able to face off impressively against his two predecessor Hokage and his student Orochimaru. He is a master of all forms of shinobi combat and an encyclopedia of jutsu, said to know all of the techniques of Konoha. He is capable of using Katon and Doton. He can summon the Monkey King, Enma, who can transform into a protective cage or an adamantine staff of variable size to be wielded by Hiruzen.
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Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!

[ninjabot]

There's not alot Hiruzen can do to win this fight. There are no jutu that he could hit Naruto with that has been shown to be powerful enough to take down a jinchuuriki with a chakra shroud, let alone the strongest chakra shroud in the series. And with no Genjutsu, Naruto's most glaring weakness can't be exploited.

No speed to defend against his attacks or make his own connect, no strength to hurt him if he ever DOES hit him, and no stamina to continue delivering the amount of deadly attacks needed to put him down.

It's a stomp, really. Unfortunately. THIS is what I meant about ninja status meaning nothing in the face of an overwhelming difference in power or a crippling weakness. Or in this particular case: both.

[kelv015]

There's not alot Hiruzen can do to win this fight. There are no jutu that he could hit Naruto with that has been shown to be powerful enough to take down a jinchuuriki with a chakra shroud, let alone the strongest chakra shroud in the series. And with no Genjutsu, Naruto's most glaring weakness can't be exploited.

No speed to defend against his attacks or make his own connect, no strength to hurt him if he ever DOES hit him, and no stamina to continue delivering the amount of deadly attacks needed to put him down.

It's a stomp, really. Unfortunately. THIS is what I meant about ninja status meaning nothing in the face of an overwhelming difference in power or a crippling weakness. Or in this particular case: both.

I, agree. Hiruzen just has so little stamina when compared to a Base Naruto, let alone a SM Naruto or Rikudo Cloak Naruto. Naruto takes this one no matter how I see it. Hiruzen's best bet would be for Naruto to go with SM since in RM he would probably not even touch him...but, in SM...he would still stomp. A single kick or punch from Naruto would literally send Hiruzen flying, plus he has even more endurance in this mode...

[Naruto_Rasengan]

I want to say Naruto would take this but I wouldn't underestimate Hiruzen. This is going to be a tough one.

[Rikudou King]

Naruto takes this because Sarutobi has not shown all that much. Naruto has the edge in all categories apart from knowledge, so he would be able to maintain an advantage against anything Sarutobi throws at him.

[DaHeroic1]

Man I really wish we could have seen a prime Hiruzen but even so I still not entirely sure yet if Hiruzen has absolutely no chance. He could use the five pronged seal that Orochimaru used on Naruto to mess up his chakra making it impossible for him to use the foxes chakra and also making it impossible for him to balance out his chakra for sage mode. Also Enma would give Naruto alot of trouble as he was able to hold off Hashirama, and Tobirama by himself. Hiruzen also has earth element techniques for defense like the mud wall, and earth substitution and he could make the battle field slippery with his mud to slow down Naruto's mobility. Naruto would most likely win but I want to hold off on my vote and see if anything comes up.

[jorped]

Hiruzen is a very strong shinobi , but Naruto nowadays is just to much for Hiruzen to take.
Naruto can even keep up with "the most fast shinobi alive" :amuse
Hiruzen wouldn't be able of catching Naruto off guard , so there isn't a single chance for him to end winning this fight :oh

[kakashidad]

Man, i'm torn on this one.And i shouldn't be really.It should be Naruto win,by way of ''sexy no jutus''...pmsl.The thing is, no matter how old Hiruzen is.He has an array of knowledge,and for that matter.Hidden ''kinjutsu'' he could :Dcall upon,should the need arise?and boy would it arise lol.

Naruto should be able to out last him in all honesty.As mentioned,the gulf in strenght is possibly too much to make up.Hiruzen without any seen or known use of genjutsu.Would have to try and seal naruto movements and seal him entirely.And we've recently seen.(with iruka)that naruto can burn thru certain seals in just sennin mode..i mean sage mode lol.I'm gonna hold off on my vote for a hot minute...mods you couldn't put him up against sasuke or something...geez l:D

[benelori]

Man, i'm torn on this one.And i shouldn't be really.It should be Naruto win,by way of ''sexy no jutus''...pmsl.The thing is, no matter how old Hiruzen is.He has an array of knowledge,and for that matter.Hidden ''kinjutsu'' he could :Dcall upon,should the need arise?and boy would it arise lol.

Naruto should be able to out last him in all honesty.As mentioned,the gulf in strenght is possibly too much to make up.Hiruzen without any seen or known use of genjutsu.Would have to try and seal naruto movements and seal him entirely.And we've recently seen.(with iruka)that naruto can burn thru certain seals in just sennin mode..i mean sage mode lol.I'm gonna hold off on my vote for a hot minute...mods you couldn't put him up against sasuke or something...geez l:D
He will eventually face Sasuke most probably, because after waltzing through this round, he will waltz through the next as well...as the chapters in the manga progress he might get even stronger, so...and once the manga hero would win a tournament:p...

So there's no question that Naruto wins this fight, for all the reason that were mentioned before and others as well.

[EMS]

i give to naruto.hiruzen was wise and strong also but against this naruto right now after learning sennin-mode and how to used the kyuubi power, naruto is another league.

[biggchiefmo]

Hiruzen's best bet in this fight is to go straight to the reaper death seal which would kill them both, other than that i dont see what else he can do, though i'm sure he has much more jutsu at his disposal than Naruto the problem as previously stated is his chakra capacity and stamina which Naruto has almost an endless supply of. Plus Naruto's wind style RS has more destructive power than the 3rd has ever witnessed next to a rampaging demon fox, and is extremely hard to escape from. But Hiruzen's biggest obstacle with Naruto is not knowing if he's fighting the real one or just a clever decoy that allows Naruto the time to sneak attack with his more devastating jutsus.

Naruto Wins!!!

[Boris999]

I would say Hiruzen has genjutsu. I mean he is hailed as someone who has practically every tecnique in the hidden leaf. The problem is he hasn't actually shown specifically what ones. However Naruto would have trouble with a fair few of them, seeing his general weakness against genjutsy. Also just the sheer variety of jutsu would be a hell of a lot for Naruto to 'figure out a strategy' against. I'm not saying one will win yet, I'm just trying to justify Hiruzen's side a bit since everyone has immediately fallen against him :D

[Sevenheadedmirror]

Hard fight. The fact is that while Hiruzen is known for being capable to use all the jutsu from the village; Naruto has an advantage out of those who clearly the old Kage wouldn't have had, like the sannin-mode or the kyuubi control. A young Hiruzen would have made Naruto his bitch in a heartbeat yet this is the old one, whose condition was so poor his ANBU squad grew worried because he did three Kage bunshin. Stamina wins this fight Naruto wins.

PS:Hiruzen by all means doesn't know three techniques: Rasengan, summon related jutsus (he can't get into sannin mode because you have to be a toad summoner, he can't use Manda or the enormous healing larvae for the same reason) and kekkei genkai everything else is his domain.

[NAM61]

i go with naruto, sarutobi probably has nothing to counter narutos speed and power plus in summonings bunta would hold an edge over enma. plus i think the frs would be to much for sarutobi to counter as well. plus in a hand to hand fight narutos frog katas would be unblock-able and the ability to hit opponents even if missed should be a big surprise.

[Lelo]

wow Im surprised how easily everyone thinks the 3rd would lose. He would lose but he knows 1000 jutsus. Atleast 1 one them should be affective against Naruto. But still Naruto would get back up like he always does and finish the 3rd off. Naruto's speed, Kyuubi and Sage mode is too much for the 3rd

[jaymizzo]

There's not alot Hiruzen can do to win this fight. There are no jutu that he could hit Naruto with that has been shown to be powerful enough to take down a jinchuuriki with a chakra shroud, let alone the strongest chakra shroud in the series. And with no Genjutsu, Naruto's most glaring weakness can't be exploited.

No speed to defend against his attacks or make his own connect, no strength to hurt him if he ever DOES hit him, and no stamina to continue delivering the amount of deadly attacks needed to put him down.

It's a stomp, really. Unfortunately. THIS is what I meant about ninja status meaning nothing in the face of an overwhelming difference in power or a crippling weakness. Or in this particular case: both.

IMO if we had more info about Hiruzen and we saw him fight alot more, id say he has a shot at beating current Naruto.

For the sakes of debating, what would Naruto do at the face of a summon like Enma

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@ Seven swords

I wouldnt say Prime Hiruzen would make Naruto his bitch, Maybe give him an extreme run for his money, but it would also be a close fight.

After re-reading the orochimaru Arc, i gotta say this isnt as one sided as we all think, yes If Naruto does get into RM he will Blitz Hiruzen into infinity, and SM would make him near invincible, but Hiruzen deploys crazy tactics, his like an old Naruto with less stamina.

He has a large array of jutsu, something Naruto lacks, and if he uses it wisely, he would beat the crap out of Naruto for a while. I guess atm Hiruzen hasnt shown anything powerful enough to actually harm Naruto, but if Naruto lets his guard down, he is in for a serious painless beating :P

[ninjabot]

@jaymizzo: Honestly? I think Enma's nyoi bo form could tank blows from Naruto... but it doesn't matter because of the large scale of Naruto's attacks. If Naruto punches the bo while Hiruzen holds it in front of him to block an attack, he's just gonna have a massive, unbreakable bo shatter his chest when Naruto punches it through him, lmao. Or Rasengan coming from every angle... he can't defend against all of that.

Unless his floating form can maintain where it's sitting to block attacks from incoming attacks without moving I don't see it's defensive power counting for much. Though, I don't think it could hurt Naruto significantly in his Rikudo Mode either. If regular four tail Naruto's shroud could prevent the sharpest sword from cutting him, his Rikudo Mode should prevent the bo from breaking any bones. I would think.

[khar2]

I wouldnt say Prime Hiruzen would make Naruto his bitch, Maybe give him an extreme run for his money, but it would also be a close fight.

After re-reading the orochimaru Arc, i gotta say this isnt as one sided as we all think, yes If Naruto does get into RM he will Blitz Hiruzen into infinity, and SM would make him near invincible, but Hiruzen deploys crazy tactics, his like an old Naruto with less stamina.

He has a large array of jutsu, something Naruto lacks, and if he uses it wisely, he would beat the crap out of Naruto for a while. I guess atm Hiruzen hasnt shown anything powerful enough to actually harm Naruto, but if Naruto lets his guard down, he is in for a serious painless beating :P

so here is little bit of deduction, naruto in RM can keep up raikage RA1
sasuke could to the same thing, and sasuke has 4,5 in speed, so if hruzen has same thing, naruto already cant speed blitz him

also hiruzen is high skilled ninja with huge area elemental jutsu, with high skills in taijutus,
while naruto is one trick pony with one huge but slow jutsu, rasenga and his mode(i dont include KB because he cant use it in both modes)

so ill go with hiruzen because i like skill and versatillity beter then one trick pony guy, but i hope naruto will win because most of the hiruzen skills are unknown and if he progresses we cant have good debate that isnt based on popular hype:D

[juUnior]

Naruto. Its not like Hiruzen will not try to defeat Naruto, but it will only end in.. trying :p Currently Naruto is just too much for that old man.

[jaymizzo]

so here is little bit of deduction, naruto in RM can keep up raikage RA1
sasuke could to the same thing, and sasuke has 4,5 in speed, so if hruzen has same thing, naruto already cant speed blitz him

also hiruzen is high skilled ninja with huge area elemental jutsu, with high skills in taijutus,
while naruto is one trick pony with one huge but slow jutsu, rasenga and his mode(i dont include KB because he cant use it in both modes)

so ill go with hiruzen because i like skill and versatillity beter then one trick pony guy, but i hope naruto will win because most of the hiruzen skills are unknown and if he progresses we cant have good debate that isnt based on popular hype:D

Sasuke couldnt keep up with the Raikage....

I never wanted to make this an easy win for Naruto, but that Rasengan is enough to put Hiruzen into a coma.
And Naruto in SM is way too Durable for any of Hiruzens Jutsus to hurt him, and his Taijutsu is strong enough to knock Hiruzen out. Naruto is also Extremely skilled and Brilliant Strategically and Tactically, i dont see Hiruzen fooling Naruto as much as Naruto fooling Hiruzen

[Naruffy]

I think Naruto would win, but considering Hiruzen's fight against Orochimaru, they're is no way this would be an easy fight for Naruto. Even with SM and RM I'm sure Hiruzen would be able to put up a fight.

[mattiaildivino]

everyone is sure Naruto is stronger,but remember that Hiruzen defeated hashirama and tobirama,and if he had had 10 years less,he would have killed Oro too,at the price of his life. but in this tournament it's more important who wins,then Hiruzen would have won against the 3 of them. here hiruzen is fighting at his best,then I'd say he is fighting after Mianto's death when he learnt the dead demon seal. I might agree with that who said Hiruzen at his best was almost at Nagato and minato's level. I think he was a bit less but he was a beast anyways. this is why I've voted for Hiruzen,because if he is at the level I've just said,he is able to defeat Hashirama,Tobirama and Orochimaru.

[xXan]

everyone is sure Naruto is stronger,but remember that Hiruzen defeated hashirama and tobirama,and if he had had 10 years less,he would have killed Oro too,at the price of his life. but in this tournament it's more important who wins,then Hiruzen would have won against the 3 of them. here hiruzen is fighting at his best,then I'd say he is fighting after Mianto's death when he learnt the dead demon seal. I might agree with that who said Hiruzen at his best was almost at Nagato and minato's level. I think he was a bit less but he was a beast anyways. this is why I've voted for Hiruzen,because if he is at the level I've just said,he is able to defeat Hashirama,Tobirama and Orochimaru.

Those where robots and not real things. Orochimaru was using them like puppets (close to). Also Hiruzen is the version just before he died.

[kkck]

I don't think hiruzen can win this. Naruto is basially one of the strongest ninjas of his village and his hermit mode and jinchuriki mode allow him to fight evenly with the very best around. Stamina alone makes the whole difference. Hiruzen is extremely limited in that department while naruto has a near infinite supply of it from the kyubi and nature's energy.

[mattiaildivino]

Then Naruto wins,of course,if hiruzen isn't as he was after minato's death,naruto wins. naruto's speed owns hiruzen's. his few chakra would be the reason of his lost,against an amount as naruto's.

[RezzieThaRapper]

Hiruzen would actually win this one... Oh Wait... Nevermind... I'm Voting Naruto...

Hiruzen's Arsenal Of Techniques
- Shadow Clones
- Mass Shadow Clone Shuriken/Kunai
- Various Katon
- Various Doton
- Taijutsu Great Enough To Stand Up To The 1st, 2nd, and Orochimaru Simultaneously (Granted it was mostly desperate defense)
- Enma
- Death God (Banned Because of Double Death)

Naruto's Arsenal Of Techniques
- Mass Shadow Clone in Base Form
- Rasengan (and slight variations)
- Rasenshuriken (Throwable in Sagemode... Unused in RS Mode)
- Durable In Sage Mode
- Fast in Sage Mode, WTF Fast in RS Mode
- Frog Summons
- Sensing in Sage Mode and RS Mode

[kkck]

Just to be perfectly fair, the only reason naruto would win this is because of HM and/or jinchuiriki mode. Normal mode naruto would get his ass handed to him with virtually no resistance whatsoever from him.

[The Exalted]

This is fanboyism at it's purist level...

There's no way that Hiruzen would lose this one. Knowledge and untold amounts of battle experience alone would OWN Naruto. While Minato was off fighting Madara, Hiruzen was holding off a tailed beast. While figting the Kyuubi Hiruzen said, "not again...," while he was out of breath. That means that he deflected/handled a freakin tailed beast ball by himself. He knew more about jutsu and techniques than anyone introduced in the series so far. Hiruzen was a genius, he was taught by geniuses, all of his students were freakin geniuses. While standing a good amount of space away he read and later used Minato's Dead demon seal, by just looking at it. Hiruzen took on and defeated THREE KAGE level opponents at the same time with limited space, tools, and an emotional attachment to ALL of the combatants.

But you know what, all of that means nothing. Sure the man known as the "God of Shinobi" by the ENTIRE shinobi world, not just by his home villiage, would have a problem with an unexperienced kid...

Sure.

[daman246]

Hiruzen's best bet in this fight is to go straight to the reaper death seal which would kill them both, other than that i dont see what else he can do, though i'm sure he has much more jutsu at his disposal than Naruto the problem as previously stated is his chakra capacity and stamina which Naruto has almost an endless supply of. Plus Naruto's wind style RS has more destructive power than the 3rd has ever witnessed next to a rampaging demon fox, and is extremely hard to escape from. But Hiruzen's biggest obstacle with Naruto is not knowing if he's fighting the real one or just a clever decoy that allows Naruto the time to sneak attack with his more devastating jutsus.
the seal doesnt work like that the one with more stamina and will will win look at orochimaru he was weak but strong enough to overpower hiruzen with the dead demon seal naruto takes this easily if his serious if not he may get pounded 5-10 times

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Naruto in sage mode literally has Sharingan he can sense ur energy path

[kkck]

The death god seal is not an option here. In that regard the old man has to rely purely on speed, strength, stamina, and ninjutsu to win. Based on that consideration it is an unquestionable fact that hiruzen is dramatically inferior to naruto in terms of speed, strength and stamina. he might have better ninjutsu but how much would that help against naruto if a great number of them are most likely unusable due to sheer age? lets be realistic, the manga made it clear even KB was utterly unusable by hiruzen and the only reason it worked was basically because the old man had already given up on his life anyways.

how would hiruzen fare in a straught fight against naruto? Right now there are two considerations in the matter. The first one is that hiruzen would fight HM naruto. HM naruto has the sheer strength to stop a bunta level summon in its tracks. In all odds even if hiruzen actually blocked a punch or kick from naruto he would still have the limb used to block shattered into one thousand little pieces. his long range taijutsu actually outright killed fat pain. I honestly doubt old hiruzen has any more resistance that that. If I recall, not a single of pain's bodies could actually keep up with when the kid was using HM. I would consider that quite a feat and IMO hiruzen should not be able to keep up at all. Now, lets also consider the fact that naruto becomes extremely chakra sensitive here. Hiruzen barely gets the option to hide here, naruto can pin point his location in an instant.

Now, lets consider naruto with kyubi chakra. It does not have the time limit limitation of HM and it gives naruto enough speed to keep up with the raikage. He also gets an insane strength boost, enough to actually defend from raikage. Naruto also gets the ability to feel evil around him and while I doubt hiruzen is evil if he able to feel goodness and whatnot from him then hiruzen also does not get the option to hide here. Naruto's biju rasengan is bound to be a vastly overpowered nuke, how would hiruzen defend himself?

Lets also consider how resistant to damage naruto currently is. If I recall when he mastered HM he fell on a bunch of pointy rocks or whatnot and instead of being impaled to death the rocks broke under him. He is also able to block attacks from raikage with his kyubi boost. In all odds hiruzen's punches will barely be felt by naruto.

There is no famboyism in saying naruto would defeat sarutobi. Sarutobi is old and has lost a good deal of his strength while naruto is young, getting stronger and strong enough to take 5 pain bodies (evidently once deva came into the equation naruto feel like fodder) and keep up with the fastest shinobi alive. Heck, FRS is most likely the hardest jutsu to perform ever made and with its wide range it is unlikely hiruzen can dodge.

[benelori]

This is fanboyism at it's purist level...

There's no way that Hiruzen would lose this one. Knowledge and untold amounts of battle experience alone would OWN Naruto. While Minato was off fighting Madara, Hiruzen was holding off a tailed beast. While figting the Kyuubi Hiruzen said, "not again...," while he was out of breath. That means that he deflected/handled a freakin tailed beast ball by himself. He knew more about jutsu and techniques than anyone introduced in the series so far. Hiruzen was a genius, he was taught by geniuses, all of his students were freakin geniuses. While standing a good amount of space away he read and later used Minato's Dead demon seal, by just looking at it. Hiruzen took on and defeated THREE KAGE level opponents at the same time with limited space, tools, and an emotional attachment to ALL of the combatants.

But you know what, all of that means nothing. Sure the man known as the "God of Shinobi" by the ENTIRE shinobi world, not just by his home villiage, would have a problem with an unexperienced kid...

Sure.

And that is pure hyping...this is all true, but all this would count if Naruto would've had only base mode...U say Hiruzen was holding back Kyuubi on his own...that's not true...he was not alone...

Please tell me what can Sarutobi do against Sage Mode or Kyuubi mode-_-;...he must have something-_-;...too bad that sometimes the power gap is too big, despite the difference in battle experience and jutsu arsenal...like Sasuke vs Danzou-_-;

[The Exalted]

I'm going to answer this with a singular statement.

Onoki has a bloodline expansion an ability so rare and powerful that it takes someone with the same bloodline expansion to counter it. Onoki can fly, turn people to stone with a touch and disintergrate people and entire islands with a single jutsu. A is the fastest shinobi currently in existence, he was able to dodge ameratsu and he's able to fight on par with a host in full control of his tailed beast. Those are just two of the Kage that ruled at the same time as Hiruzen.

Despite all of their abilities and talents, speed and power, Hiruzen even as an old shell of his former self was considered stronger than them.

He's the main character and yeah we all love him, but I think Naruto is getting far too much credit in this match up. Hiruzen was a veteran of Three Ninja world wars.

...I dunno, it seems pretty obvious to me.

[Raizen]

I just want to note that sarutobi at his old age was considered the strongest kage among all the villages: that includes oonoki, raikage, mizukage, etc

[ninjabot]

I'd also like to point out that that's just heresay until such a point that Sarutobi shows skill and strength that matches the hype.

Hanzou was unbeatable until Pein came along, and then we saw him actually fight and he was hardly impressive. I won't rely on hype to give someone the benefit of the doubt. Only shown feats.

[kkck]

I don't think sarutobi was considered the strongest of the kages in his old age, I think that applied to his younger self. based on what we saw, I really cannot imagine sarutobi actually winning against oonoki or the raikage honestly. heck, I would find that a little hard to believe against any of the kages for the most part as evidently sarutobi was way to far from his prime. Is there any department in which the sarutobi could possibly compete against a? I would find it absurd for old sarutobi to be anywhere near the raikage in terms of speed for one thing. Even if sarutobi does land a hit, how much would that accomplish? Raikage's lightning armor was more than capable of reflecting sasuke kusanagi sword, I honestly doubt we saw anything from sarutobi which would pack enough of a punch. I can't even see sarutobi winning against oonoki here. Oonoki is the older one probably but in turn age has clearly have a greater effect on onooki than on sarutobi. Oonoki has maintained his attack power because his KG has that much attack power and his mobility has been maintained by his flying technique. in turn sarutobi just has a normal shinobi's body and his speed and stamina have decreased much from his younger days as the manga repeatedly stated. I honestly don't believe sarutobi would have been able to take orochimaru alone without the death god seal.

If this was young sarutobi we were talking about then things would be dramatically different but that is not the case at all. Sarutobi has shown nothing in his old age which suggests he would win against the other kages or even against HM or jinchuiriki naruto. don't get me wrong, sarutobi did show some pretty high level ninjutsu but nothing which would be uncommon in a fight involving kages or extremely high leveled ninja.

[White Silver King]

I think Sarutobi in his prime could beat Naruto, but old Sarutobi doesn't stand much of chance.

[mattiaildivino]

I just want to note that sarutobi at his old age was considered the strongest kage among all the villages: that includes oonoki, raikage, mizukage, etc

I think Kishimoto hadn't thought about the other kages yet -.-;) . and I doubt at that time Kabuto knew about A's strength and speed. anyway I repeat,it was kishi's mistake.

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I think Sarutobi in his prime could beat Naruto, but old Sarutobi doesn't stand much of chance.

I think Hiruzen's best was after Minato's death,because he was able to use the dead demon seal. at his best he might have damaged naruto,but not defeated,contrariwise in this fight he takes a lot of punches :).

[Shinomori Aoshi]

You keep saying this over and over again, Hiruzen did not learn the dead demon seal from Minato, he already knew the seals (http://www.mangareader.net/93-56104-4/naruto/chapter-504.html), get it over with.

[xXan]

You keep saying this over and over again, Hiruzen did not learn the dead demon seal from Minato, he already knew the seals (http://www.mangareader.net/93-56104-4/naruto/chapter-504.html), get it over with.

That just proves that Sarutobi knew them before the kyuubi sealing. For all we know Minato showed up 1h before the events happened and told Sarutobi how to do it. As of now the origins of the jutsu is a mystery and who learned it from who is another unknown. Kushina for one would be a good example of a person who could have been teaching Minato and Sarutobi as she also knew the jutsu and her country was famous for seals.

[mattiaildivino]

You keep saying this over and over again, Hiruzen did not learn the dead demon seal from Minato, he already knew the seals (http://www.mangareader.net/93-56104-4/naruto/chapter-504.html), get it over with.

oh I'm sorry,you are right,then Sarutobi's best was when he learnt it not after minato's death but at least before kyubi's attack.

[Mack]

Sorry Sarutobi, but eventhough you are strong and smart as hell, you simply do not have a technique, that could even hurt Naruto. And you will not use dead demon seal, so it is stated, you lose...

[kakashidad]

Now that my dogg Naruto has aquired the ''body flicker technique'' it's his win and his tournment.Vote has been casted.

If you've not seen the goodies..that is issue 544?If not go to mangareader to get your Naruto fix...lol.If you troll
Naruto and a big sasuke fan,don't bother.You'll only start hating pmsl.

Naruto now has the body flicker technique and it's offical.Raikage Tsunade and Bee have all confirmed it, lmfao now.
He's gonna walk the bloody tournment now.And i can't wait to see some of the bogus arguments that will ensue.
Naruto vs Minato pmsl.That's all..abit child like i know.Still i told you so!

[benelori]

The saviour of the world stomps the hero of the old generation and advances to the next round where he will face and even older legend.