Noblesse: Chapter 191 Discussion/192 Predictions

[Charlie]

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[natli]

My comment on 191:AAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!

It's so good to be a fangirl.

[Host Samurai]

HOLY SHIT!!!! I'm speechless...

Frankenstein being almost covered in his Dark Spear, the lord swinging her sword to cut Gejutel down and Rai showing up at the end. What a chapter. By the way it seems like the Lord can also use blood field and her Soul Weapon seems to be an incomplete Ragnarok.

[adarsh]

I liked the ending.... Rai's entrance was good.... right on time.
Gajutel ... making Lord angry (want to know what he is talking about)

[Omnion_1990]

now for me its confirmed, blood field??? she is rai's daughter. i dont know how she ended up as the "Princess". and i dont think that is ragnarok. i think thats rai soul weapon. also i think rai stopped the blade or something because theres a "clang" and hes activated his power.

[Otters11]

Very Very Cool. Seems like there was quite a lecture and oral education given before the end moments.

Must Read.

[Monsterguy]

This week it's really impressive chapter !!!


Frankenstain looks incredible, with his power. I can't do anything but admire this chapter, it's like my dream came true... :woo

It was also a big surprise for me when the present Lord brought out her soul weapon !!!

Well I'm hardly anticipating/waiting for the next chapter becouse the author left us, one hell of a cliff hanger, with the entrance of Rai, at the end... :XD

I hope the author does not decide to take a break like the author from "The Breaker: New Waves" becouse I would go crazy... :fail :p

[sabret00the]

It looks to be a fantastic chapter, can't wait for this one and next weeks.

[yellowblue]

I hope Rai will save the old man in time. I prefer the old man to die in the battlefield than by the lord's hand. I liked the theory of Omnion_1990 but I don't want Rai to married just yet lol. Is blood field like a bloodline limit or a high level technique that only a lord class can do? Also why would the current lord have a soul weapon? Could it mean that the Ragnarok is split and it is not as powerful as the original version? That is why I like Omnion_1990's theory since it might also be Rai's soul weapon.

[Omnion_1990]

im refreshing the egscans noblesse page FURIOUSLY to see the chapter, they always have it scanned by today.

[Monsterguy]

My comment on 191:AAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!

It's so good to be a fangirl.

You're lucky, but I want to see a girl like Seira topless, rather than a guy... :scry

Nonetheless, Frankenstain was attractive... :hurr
Yes, but only in a cool way... :XD

Now for reall, Franky looked totaly "bad ass/good" to me in this chapter, like some kind of a beast with a huge intent to kill, still beautifly shown (design) !!!

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now for me its confirmed, blood field??? she is rai's daughter. i dont know how she ended up as the "Princess". and i dont think that is ragnarok. i think thats rai soul weapon. also i think rai stopped the blade or something because theres a "clang" and hes activated his power.



I hope Rai will save the old man in time. I prefer the old man to die in the battlefield than by the lord's hand. I liked the theory of Omnion_1990 but I don't want Rai to married just yet lol. Is blood field like a bloodline limit or a high level technique that only a lord class can do? Also why would the current lord have a soul weapon? Could it mean that the Ragnarok is split and it is not as powerful as the original version? That is why I like Omnion_1990's theory since it might also be Rai's soul weapon.


My personal opinion is that Rai can NOT be the father from the present Lord, becouse the present Lord once mentioned:
"One can not become a Lord unless he or she (Rai or any other) is not of the Lord's blood."

About the theory "yellowblue" mentioned I think it's very possible.

I believe that Rai mastered the "blood field" technique only the strong linege from the Lord was able to master untill Rai came.

With this Rai could be suitable for the next Lord, and the old Lord knew this !!!

But the present Lord would not know that Rai has mastered the same/similar technique as her bloodline, and even if she knew she would think that Rai betrayed her father, and instead stole or copy that technique.

[shinobi]

Awesome!! Really!! It's becoming harder to wait for a week for the next chapter!!!!!

Franky!! he's dead serious now lolz!! :amuse I feel sorry for Rajak...

and Raiii !!! what an entrance!!!! and perfect timing too,, finally it's Rai and the Lord face to face...

maybe the Lord and Rai are related in another way, like they're cousins maybe,, lolz Rai is the old lord's cute nephew :tem

I feel that before anyone starts a fight the previous lord's message will activate and shock everyone there, Rai included.
and old lord seemed to be a funny guy so everything is possible :p

[Monsterguy]

My "exaggerated" prediction for the following story:


Karias and Regis have ended their duel, but Rai comes.

Rai: I'm in a hurry so good night... ;bash

Karias looking at stars like he would be drunk:
"Wha...a...at happened? Ha...a...as something hit me?" :xp

With this Karias would crash at the ground next to Regis and started snoring... :smile-big

Next:

Franky in his thoughts: It's getting dangerous, I need to defeat Rajak fast otherwise my "Dark Spear" will really dangerously eat me !!!

Rajak in his thoughts: How can he be so strong ??? I have never heared of him before but still he managed to avoid all my fatal strikes rather easily, not to mention he fought my father and survived, I must defeat him quicly while I still have some stamina left.

The fight between those two becomes even more intensive.

At that time:

The Lord tells to Gajutel:
At the end even you betrayed the Noblesse people. Now shut your mouth and go to eternal sleep !!!

Gajutel yelling: I did not betray anyone! In a matter of fact I have always untill this day serve to the one who holds the true soul weapon, the soul weapon of the Lord !!!

All clan Leaders in their thoughts along with Seira: "What.... ???"

The Lord: Shut up! It seems, I must seal that dirty mouth of yours sooner than I thought.

Gajutel: What are you waiting for, DO IT !!!

As the Lord lifts her hands she slowly tells to Gajutel: Be gone !!!

Gajutel starts to smile and closes his eyes.

The Lord to Gajutel: I don't know why you betrayed other Nobles but from this point on there will be nobody who could oppose me, becouse I will eliminate him before he even starts to make a first move on me.

At that time there is heared a load noise.

The Lord: Is it already that time ??? Has the shrine already started to close ???

Gajutel: Even if I die here, other will replace me, this circle will never end, untill nobody is left.

The Lord: Not gona happen.

BOOOOM !!!

The Lord: What the... ???

Gajutel: You...

All other clan Leaders: When did he arrive ???

The Lord and Rai levitating in the air, while Rai holds the arm from the Lord.

The Lord starts yelling: I will never forgive you, you traitor, and you still dare to come in a Lords shrine !!!

At that time the Lord breaks free and lifts both her arms so that a huge ball of lightning is created. Than she sends it directly at Rai.

At the same time the whole place becomes red and an enormous blood field is created from Rai in order to destroy that huge lightning ball from the Lord.

After that both the Lord and Rai touches the ground.

But than sometning unbelievable happenes: The old Lord shows himself as a hologram !!!

The old Lord: "Cadis Etrama di Raizel" you have finally arrived.

All young clan Leaders including the present Lord would be astonished.

The present Lord: How can you say that father, after he betrayed us and trespassed in this sacred shrine.

The old Lord yells: What are you talking about, I invited him here. (RUMBLE, RUMBLE - the earth and the walls are shaking)

All in the shrine would be quiet from fear, except Rai who would start talking at that time.

Rai: It is unfortunate that you my Lord (referring to the old Lord) have decided to go in eternal sleep.

The old Lord: I had no choice you who I trusted the most have disappeared out of the blue and other were not to be trusted. Instead all clan Leaders, one by one started to rebel against me.

Rai: I'm terribly sorry to hear that. But I have gone to sleep for 820 years and have awakened just recently.

Once again all young clan Leaders including the present Lord would be astonished.

The old Lord: Nonetheless you have returned. I'm happy to see that you are safe.

Rai: Thank you my Lord (referring to the old Lord). Although I do not believe that other clan Leaders started to rebel against you but rather they wanted you to act against a great threat as soon as possibile.

The old Lord: What, a threat ???

Rai: Recently, in the human world I stumbled upon an organization wich experimented with humans. Some of them were victims and even lost all their memory. I as well as Frankenstain had to engage them head on. Of course we won, but I'm afraid that all current clan Leaders, except maybe Gajutel would be no match for them. So they are all in great danger no matter where they go.

Old Lord: How can this be... ???

Rai: Here this is an image of one human wich has undergone such an experiment.

At that time a 3-D fully transormed image of Jake appers (I took it from wikipedia):

http://images.wikia.com/noblesse/images/6/6a/Rai_vs_jake.jpg

Each and every one in the shrine would go for one step back... :s

Rai: Unfortunately I had no choice but to kill him, becouse he was killing innocent people without any proper reason.

The old Lord: Thank you Rai, now I know what it was and I can rest in peace, although there is still one thing.

Rai: Yes, my Lord (referring to the old Lord) here is your soul weapon "Ragnarok".

Rai gives Ragnarok to the old Lord.

The old Lord: Will you be the next Lord ?

The present Lord: But father...

Rai: As I already said, I decline to have any further possession of Ragnarok.

All in the shrine would be speechless while looking at Rai.

The old Lord: He, he, he, he you are still the same after all those years. But I knew something like this might happen.

Rai: I'm sorry my Lord (referring to the old Lord).

The old Lord: Okay, I have decided I will give my soul weapon "Ragnarok" along with all it's power up untill now, to my only daughter. But I will give you (referring to Rai) almost all my soul. May my soul always be with you (referring to Rai).

With this the old Lord would disappear in a white gentle light wich would go in Rai's earings (he got from the old Lord).

At the same time the roof of the shrine would also open and a thunder would strike at the present Lord. With this she as a new owner of Ragnarok would be holding her soul weapon as high as she could in the air (with bouth her hands), and than she would start yealling:

The present Lord: FINALLY I'M COMPLETE. No person can say that I'm not a true Lord anymore !!!

*Rai quietly leaves the shrine (did not want to listen all that mambo jambo from the present Lord - while she would be yelling how happy she is).

Rai to Frankenstain through telekinesis: We have cleared our names. Let's all go home.

THE END

Well I predicted correctly, that Gajutel would smile, when about to go in Eternal Sleep... :woo

Other way it was a failiure... :fail

If you look how Karias and Regis came out, I was totaly wrong. Anyway I hope that it would be better next time...:amuse

[Otters11]

My memory may be bad. But I recall Frankenstein making two unusual statements. :blink

“There is only one true Noblesse.”
&
“There are those who pretend to be Noblesse.”

From this it became my secret hunch that Rai, is the only true Noblesse and that he predates even the Lord's line. :eyeroll

[naruto-niichan]

My personal opinion is that Rai can NOT be the father from the present Lord, becouse the present Lord once mentioned:
"One can not become a Lord unless he or she (Rai or any other) is not of the Lord's blood."

About the theory "yellowblue" mentioned I think it's very possible.

I believe that Rai mastered the "blood field" technique only the strong linege from the Lord was able to master untill Rai came.

With this Rai could be suitable for the next Lord, and the old Lord knew this !!!

But the present Lord would not know that Rai has mastered the same/similar technique as her bloodline, and even if she knew she would think that Rai betrayed her father, and instead stole or copy that technique.

Agreed, I think that theory is very plausible :thumbs I think it's a matter of power even though it may not be that easy to control blood. I was suspecting that the Lord could use the Blood Field since Regis commented about it back in chapter 136.


This is... The ability that can only be used by one who governs blood/I cannot believe this, a Blood Field, here? And how can he have an Aura so powerful? The only other being I know of who has an aura like this... is the Lord, the Ruler of all Noblesse!

I interpreted this as the fact that you need a very strong power to control blood and that the current Lord, having the same power level as shown by Rai, can use it too.

About the chapter: Franky looks awesome! I wonder how long he will be able to control the "Dark Spear" now, seeing that only his face is not covered by it's power. Still it looks like the Kardia Leader is going to lose if this goes on. Maybe Rael will do something like give his weapons to his brother to support him? He's taking a deep glance at his Grandia in one pic so he may have realized something :headscratch
Really looking forward to the translation, looks like Gejutel will reveal a few things, at least I hope so! And... epic entrance is epic :kukuku

[Otters11]

Hmmm. I found one of those quotes.

“It seems like the meaning has changed.”
“Noblesse was not a name designated to the entire race.”
“Noblesse is... A name given only to ONE Being.”

Source: Frankenstein at the End of Chapter 102.


The secret to learning from a textbook, is highlighting the text you want to learn.

[Omnion_1990]

You're lucky, but I want to see a girl like Seira topless, rather than a guy... :scry

Nonetheless, Frankenstain was attractive... :hurr
Yes, but only in a cool way... :XD

Now for reall, Franky looked totaly "bad ass/good" to me in this chapter, like some kind of a beast with a huge intent to kill, still beautifly shown (design) !!!

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My personal opinion is that Rai can NOT be the father from the present Lord, becouse the present Lord once mentioned:
"One can not become a Lord unless he or she (Rai or any other) is not of the Lord's blood."

About the theory "yellowblue" mentioned I think it's very possible.

I believe that Rai mastered the "blood field" technique only the strong linege from the Lord was able to master untill Rai came.

With this Rai could be suitable for the next Lord, and the old Lord knew this !!!

But the present Lord would not know that Rai has mastered the same/similar technique as her bloodline, and even if she knew she would think that Rai betrayed her father, and instead stole or copy that technique.


but using that logic rai is not of the lords lineage, as of yet, and he was asked to become lord.

[Charlie]

We really need to find a member who can read / understand Korean. Everyone - search on your facebooks or instant messenger buddies and bring one of them here. :p




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Sei: He ... was human?

roz: human

lud: Gaju's power

[literal]
gej: What powers he has (the details) I also do not know.
gej: passed down stories from the world of human beings (things they talk about)

gej: the power sold to the devil to get the soul of man.
gej: Sometimes, to gain eternal life scientists continue working on the new knowledge ...
gej: What are the correct or do not know how far the truth, but many stories about him coming down among humans, said.

gej: he was ... The human war? He also have the power similar to those of Gaju?(i don't think its actually war.. more like humans thought.. he has powers similar to gods)

gej: Yes. About the fact that the way ahead and then lord the other did not proceed because too much otherwise noted unknown.(think gejutel says.. the Lord and rest were facing something unexpected??)

okay giving gst of few dialogues.. gejutel is trying to talk of Franky's powers and how nobles perceived it.. also about Franky getting over human body limitations ....i think

kai: you must be physically protected, and that had been protected for many years the human body with the power of Gaju's worth.
kai: that is quite something ... That's why the answer is already listed.

gej: Exactly. We differ from those staying in place.

gej: Oh, but Lord. You did not know that I did not mean he's human?

gej: Time and time again that people understand that he had an opportunity worth.

gej: Oh, no. I could not even imagine. Which is a long time he was Lord gave his recognition that we did not go unnoticed.(think he means OL noticed Franky's power; his powers could not go unnoticed)


lud: gesyutelnim. Please stop.
lud: I'll follow you, I'd like also.
lud: betrayed our family of six of California. They, too, who had done many years ago Lukedonia's allegiance. (not sure if its Lukedonia.. or some translation of traitor)


gej: It is not enough to do that nobody can deny.
gej: They did not doubt the loyalty of either the entire lord. But to their eternal rest by the pre-lord was betrayed deulja.
gej: Lukedonai many years that those loyal to rebel, did not suddenly. The reason is that?


Area in italics summarised -> here is where gejutel blames LLP, asking her Those traitor gajus were peaceful before, why betray later.. he speaks of her bad judgements n all,, and says that she blames rebels easily.. but was it not her ffault to have behaved in a way that drove ppl away from her... he kind of blames her for Seira's dad and his son too.. and also that her behaviour was probably vicious and unreasonable and caused resentment

gej: I think you can blindly say I blame them, saying the rebels? Why should we need them not to blame?

gej: the leader in thoroughbred at least if you guys gajuin.
gej: The long-time loyal gajus suddenly have no idea why they would need to know the exact order, huh?

gej: If you can not find the answers they give to help me.

gej: Lord Oh ... Because you directly.

gej: representative of the nobility, because the load is insufficient, and they turned to California for many years and was more loyal.

Gej: My lineage and RoyArd gaui gaju is one that leads to death.

gej: Lord go ahead and worried about everything you've done in fact is that I just want to bite him, loaded Officer.
gej: due to their lack of any other person bequeathing Road Officer determines that the Rod of a wrong turn in

gej: Here the lack of quality as well as the increased load is one geojung.

gej: Road Oh ... Are we to be a traitor to the rage?
gej: We need to blame them, that rebels are to blame, but the lacking lord is not?
gej: Loard all you did not happen if there was sufficient capacity is


llp: gesyutelnim! Please stop!
llp: What do you mean!?

lud: Even more rude gesyutelnim than before.. I will never leave.
roz: I will no longer tolerate the disrespect that.

gej: Lord He gained confidence at least as much as you've asked for them. (no clue)

gej says ... It seems that I talk too much rubbish. Please put me to eternal sleep

all think: Lord of Soul Weapons. Ragnarok. (Or maybe Lord's SW)


How about that panel at the end huh? :drool

So its hard to tell without a proper translation but the lord has a weapon of her own,. The other clan leaders think its Ragnarok.

[dark lord]

you guys a link to the raws would be really nice of you. thanks in advance

[Charlie]

you guys a link to the raws would be really nice of you. thanks in advance

the raws are out at the naver blog.

http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/list.nhn?titleId=25455&weekday=tue

^ thats the only link you will need each week to get the raws. :p

[Monsterguy]

but using that logic rai is not of the lords lineage, as of yet, and he was asked to become lord.

It was never said directly that Rai is from Lords linage, that is only one possible theory !!!

Why can Rai become the Lord ?

That's becouse he is so naturaly very strong, plus he knows how to make a proper judgement like a true Noble !!!

Aditionaly, I personaly, do NOT know if it's possibile that a Noble even has to have his "blood" related ancestor to pass/transfer him his own power. If somebody knows please let me know.

If it would be possibile to pass your power to anyone, than the next Lord could very easily be Rai. But Noblesse people are people with pride, and with this they could only want to pass their power and beliaves to their own ancestores. Well that is what I believe !!!

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you guys a link to the raws would be really nice of you. thanks in advance

Here you will find new RAW chapter of Noblesse, almost each Monday:
http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/list.nhn?titleId=25455&no=191&weekday=tue

But here you will find translated chapters out first, probably Monday night to Tuesday morning (depends):
http://egscans.com/

[Otters11]

Charlie can I add you to my facebook friends? Then we won't have to search for someone who knows Korean. :p

My Thanks to merely_a_fluke @ mf


After reading that rough translation and your point about the closing panel,
I had to go back to chapter 179 & 180, to stare and mentally drool for a moment.
http://web.rawcrossing.com/?s=Noblesse&c=179
http://web.rawcrossing.com/?s=Noblesse&c=180

One note. Does anyone else find it disturbing, how much the previous lords spirit reminds them of Frankenstein. Without a story to tell me otherwise, I might mistake them as twin brothers...?

What does it mean? The Emperor wears no clothes? And the Noblesse don't know this?

When this release comes out I am going to be glued to it 1 to 5 times trying to digest it and totally at a loss as to how next week will continue. How will it open?

Hello.
Hello.
You look good.
You look well yourself.
Have you lost some of your babyfat?
Die you evil ninny!!!
Not at the edge of that butter knife.
Stand still, like a proper target.
Strike like you have a proper sword.
Did daddy tell you?
That you still wet the bed?
Outrageous!!!
Oh you mean that you are still afraid of the dark?
Preposterous!!!
Yes I thought you might grow out of that in another 400 years.
Traitor!!!
Trade? ...Sure I’ll take the sword and you can stand under it.

[Host Samurai]

chapter is out folks!!!! :D

http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_191

[Charlie]

Charlie can I add you to my facebook friends? Then we won't have to search for someone who knows Korean. :p

My Thanks to merely_a_fluke @ mf


After reading that rough translation and your point about the closing panel,
I had to go back to chapter 179 & 180, to stare and mentally drool for a moment.
http://web.rawcrossing.com/?s=Noblesse&c=179
http://web.rawcrossing.com/?s=Noblesse&c=180

One note. Does anyone else find it disturbing, how much the previous lords spirit reminds them of Frankenstein. Without a story to tell me otherwise, I might mistake them as twin brothers...?

What does it mean? The Emperor wears no clothes? And the Noblesse don't know this?

When this release comes out I am going to be glued to it 1 to 5 times trying to digest it and totally at a loss as to how next week will continue. How will it open?

Hello.
Hello.
You look good.
You look well yourself.
Have you lost some of your babyfat?
Die you evil ninny!!!
Not at the edge of that butter knife.
Stand still, like a proper target.
Strike like you have a proper sword.
Did daddy tell you?
That you still wet the bed?
Outrageous!!!
Oh you mean that you are still afraid of the dark?
Preposterous!!!
Yes I thought you might grow out of that in another 400 years.
Traitor!!!
Trade? ...Sure I’ll take the sword and you can stand under it.

I dont have facebook. :darn

I was hoping that some who had it, might have some Korean friends so they could bring one over to us. :p

I have heard a lot fans say that Franky and the Old Lord looked similar. Now that its known Franky is human, there cant be any connection as-to blood relations. Since the old lord is a noble and Franky is not.

I don't understand the last part "emperor has no clothes" line.

Do you mean that when he appeared to Rai and Frank in that white dress?

If so, I assume that's because he is already in "eternal sleep" so the author wanted to shows that he already is passed on (wearing white clothes).

About the current chapter, I'm surprised that the "forced eternal sleep" is an out right execution. I assumed it was something more "elegant" or done in a more noble way.

And not........... I'll snipe you with my blade :laser

[Host Samurai]

It looks like that Rael is going to redeem himself, if he decides to relinquish his soul weapon in order to help his brother. Gejutel was once again a badass; teaching the new generation of Nobles about facts. I'm somehow dissappointed that all of them didn't move a muscle to find the reason or at least confirm it, why the other clan leaders turned they back against the current Lord. And seriously the Lord even failed to recognize that Frankenstein was a human, is she really that incompetent or is Frankenstein that good in deceiving people (Nobles in particular), that he managed to deceive even her. :p

[yellowblue]

I am not really sure why the old man kept on insisting that the current lord is weak. If she's that weak then why she became the lord? My guess is the current lord with her incomplete soul weapon subdued all of the rebels. Seems like Rai have the larger chunk of Ragnarok and it might even be possible to make it one again based on Rael's comments. But who will eventually get the final form of the soul weapon? I hope Rai won't become the lord since it will be harder for him to go back to school.

I hope Frank will not go total rampage now. It would be much more fun if he did that against the organization.

[BBB Banana]

Awesome chapter. Frankenstein is getting stronger but I wonder about his state of mind right now. I don't think Rael will give up on his soul weapon he seems too selfish to do that.

The current lord seems to at least recognize her flaws since she stayed silent during the whole lecture. An Rai's entrance was epic :wtf

[S-H-I-G-U-R-E]

I am not really sure why the old man kept on insisting that the current lord is weak. If she's that weak then why she became the lord? My guess is the current lord with her incomplete soul weapon subdued all of the rebels. Seems like Rai have the larger chunk of Ragnarok and it might even be possible to make it one again based on Rael's comments. But who will eventually get the final form of the soul weapon? I hope Rai won't become the lord since it will be harder for him to go back to school.

I hope Frank will not go total rampage now. It would be much more fun if he did that against the organization.

Gejutel-nim is obviously referring to a spiritual and mental weakness of the current lord. It's not "combat level" that she's lacking, but she lacks what's truly needed to be a Leader with capital L. Rai has that. She doesn't. It's not a matter of power man!

[Host Samurai]

I am not really sure why the old man kept on insisting that the current lord is weak. If she's that weak then why she became the lord? My guess is the current lord with her incomplete soul weapon subdued all of the rebels. Seems like Rai have the larger chunk of Ragnarok and it might even be possible to make it one again based on Rael's comments. But who will eventually get the final form of the soul weapon? I hope Rai won't become the lord since it will be harder for him to go back to school.

I hope Frank will not go total rampage now. It would be much more fun if he did that against the organization.

Gejutel didn't mean her being weak phisically but rather being weak mentally. An ideal leader must be strong when making a decision and dosen't second guess himself that's what Gejutel meant. The only way for Rai becoming the Lord is through a marriage with the current Lord. And I think the previous Lord foresaw it and probably planned ahead.

If she still remains the Lord then the future of the Nobles won't look good - I personally think that Rai will become the Lord for the greater good of the Nobles but not immediately.

[Otters11]

Frankenstein may have struck a deal with the devil to get his power?

Hmmmm.... !!
What if Frankie was bitten by the Ole Lord's Lord? The OLL was injured and Frankie offered his blood?
Then Frankie gains Noblesse like powers and comes to resemble the lord's own Kin?
i.e. This is why Frankie looks the previous Lord. a.k.a. looks like the son/heir of the Lord whom he saved.
Full explanation of Alternate Frankie Origin, Vampires, Mutants, & Noblesse can be found here:
http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_100/6


@ Charlie!
Thanks for letting me know the "Emperor's Cloths" joke failed.
I did jump back and forth recklessly hoping spoilers would convey excluded ideas. I failed. :p

The links leading to Chapter 179 & 180 were meant to let people drool over the REAL Ragnarok.
The point being that, The Sword the Current Lord is Holding, IS A FAKE!!! :Haha
And the Nobles don't know the Lord's Soul Weapon is Fake!!! :zomg :zomg :zomg
How in the... Clueless are these Immortals?? :zomg :zomg :zomg :zomg :zomg
The real one is Hidden away in Rai's Moseleum or he has it with him?! :pwned
http://web.rawcrossing.com/?s=Noblesse&c=179

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Gejutel-nim is obviously referring to a spiritual and mental weakness of the current lord. It's not "combat level" that she's lacking, but she lacks what's truly needed to be a Leader with capital L. Rai has that. She doesn't. It's not a matter of power man!

I felt the same way at first. But then I see everyone calling her sword by the wrong name!! And I realize her Soul Weapon is FAKE. Her weapon is not like Rael's Grandia & Kertia Clan's Kartas!!!!!!!! Do you not see it? Though their weapons share the soul of the last clan leader, they are still named differently. And his older brother's soul weapon caries all the souls of the other leaders before them. Even though they share one soul, they are named differently because they are physically separate & different weapons!!!
http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_188

Whatever her blade is... IT IS NOT Ragnarok!!! The Previous lord did not pass on his Soul Weapon or Soul!!!! Major Insult!!! He Dissed his own Heir? So she is lacking the confidence Gejutel-nim notes and the raw power than comes with holding the True Lord's Soul weapon!!!

OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! * Infinity....

[scav]

Frankenstein may have struck a deal with the devil to get his power?

Hmmmm.... !!
What if Frankie was bitten by the Ole Lord's Lord? The OLL was injured and Frankie offered his blood?
Then Frankie gains Noblesse like powers and comes to resemble the lord's own Kin?
i.e. This is why Frankie looks the previous Lord. a.k.a. looks like the son/heir of the Lord whom he saved.
Full explanation of Alternate Frankie Origin, Vampires, Mutants, & Noblesse can be found here:
http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_100/6


@ Charlie!
Thanks for letting me know the "Emperor's Cloths" joke failed.
I did jump back and forth recklessly hoping spoilers would convey excluded ideas. I failed. :p

The links leading to Chapter 179 & 180 were meant to let people drool over the REAL Ragnarok.
The point being that, The Sword the Current Lord is Holding, IS A FAKE!!! :Haha
And the Nobles don't know the Lord's Soul Weapon is Fake!!! :zomg :zomg :zomg
How in the... Clueless are these Immortals?? :zomg :zomg :zomg :zomg :zomg
The real one is Hidden away in Rai's Moseleum or he has it with him?! :pwned
http://web.rawcrossing.com/?s=Noblesse&c=179

---------- Post added at 07:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:10 PM ----------



I felt the same way at first. But then I see everyone calling her sword by the wrong name!! And I realize her Soul Weapon is FAKE. Her weapon is not like Rael's Grandia & Kertia Clan's Kartas!!!!!!!! Do you not see it? Though their weapons share the soul of the last clan leader, they are still named differently. And his older brother's soul weapon caries all the souls of the other leaders before them. Even though they share one soul, they are named differently because they are physically separate & different weapons!!!
http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_188

Whatever her blade is... IT IS NOT Ragnarok!!! The Previous lord did not pass on his Soul Weapon or Soul!!!! Major Insult!!! He Dissed his own Heir? So she is lacking the confidence Gejutel-nim notes and the raw power than comes with holding the True Lord's Soul weapon!!!

OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! * Infinity....

yup i think i get what happened. The previous lord didn't acknowledge his daughter. So he didn't gave her the weapon.The guys who were loyal to the previous lord knew that he didn't acknowledge his daughter so they made the same. She called them traitor. She couldn't say to the others clans leader that the previous lord didn't acknowledge her, so she made a fake soul weapon.
i think the message that the lord have for Rai is related to all that, so i guess the truth may be revealed in front of the others clan leader, can't wait :nowei

[Jammin]

What an unbelievably epic chapter!.:wtf

This chapter just shoved Noblesse to the top of my favorite series list (Naruto has been dethroned).

Apparently one of Raizel's many amazing skills as an ultimate noble is making the most bad-ass entrances of all time. I absolutely CAN'T wait for next week!

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Look's like the Dark Spear time limit is about Frankenstein's control of it after all because he's getting stronger not weaker.

This makes me think that perhaps the story about him making a pact with a demon and using dark science and such could all refer to his developing the dark spear(it's certainly "demonic" looking). It seems to me that his normal "darkness" attacks appear to be basically watered down projectile versions of the dark spear.

If so perhaps the dark spear is the very core of his immortality and power.

[Otters11]

@scav
woah, yeah, You are right. He still has a message to receive, but he also might reveal this Lords dark secret?

But that just caused another idea to drop. What if she doesn't know her Soul Weapon is a fake? What if the previous lord imparted part of his soul to the sword she is holding, told her it was the real sword, and she is just like the rest not knowing better?

Rai hasn't revealed his soul weapon yet. And he said he can't use the one the lord bequeathed him. But he also said upon finding that sword in his mansion that he would have to move it. I wonder if Rai would reveal the True Sword even if he had it with him? Is polite enough that if he believes the Current Lord thinks her's is real he'd keep it a secret? Or would Rai reveal such an embarrassing fact in front of other clan heads?

Dude, I'm so excited by the Two Lords meeting this way I didn't understand your point.
1. The Same place Gejutel-nim is about to be commited to Eternal Sleep.
2. Is the Same Place Rai is about to meet the current lord.
3. Is the same place the previous Lord was entombed.
4. Is the Same place the previous Lord, who wanted Rai to become lord, has left a message for Rai~!! BOOOMhmmmm!

There is a lot of crap due to appear. It's going to take more than one chapter to flush it all out.

[Charlie]

Thinking back on the chapter, Rael surprised me quite a bit. While his dialogue were short, he realizes that Franky is out of his league. He deserves some applause finally for understanding that. :clap

It also appears that he is serious in thinking about giving Grandia back to Rajak. Rael might not be a "bleep and bleep" after all. Will it make a difference in the fight if that happens?

Rajak - has caught on pretty quickly that Frankys weapon is not a Soul Weapon and that his evil aura or powers are coming from the weapon .

Kartas *(soul weapons name)- at full power, vs an insane Franky? :blink

Rael does not want his brother to lose. Imagine how many "insanity pills" Rael will need to pop once he finds out that Franky was human?

@ Otters11: Sorry for letting your joke go to waste. :sweat

Could it be that the lords soul weapon is not fake?Suppose that, the current lord gave Raizel, the family heirloom Ragnarok thats been passed down through the lords family for generations.

He cant leave his daughter with nothing especially since she is going to be come the next leader so, he makes a new Soul Weapon that has his power?The current clan leaders would not have seen the original Ragnarok, so they would not know the difference.

Frankenstein:

Just how old is this guy? He is old enough to have legends passed down through the generation in the human world about him.

POSSIBLE SCENARIOS ARE:

*Acquiring powers from the devil...
* Through science....
* I forget the others that were mentioned :o.

Interesting to note that even Gejutal and possibly the other former clan leaders doesn't know how he did it but Crombell might be close on to it.Franky got their respects because he managed to stand on par with Clan leaders by himself despite being a member of the human race, who were weaklings compared to the Nobles.They didn't even bother mentioning that he was human.

The current lord didn't eve know and Gejtual cautions her about underestimating Raizel the same way.

Amazing.... :drool

I'm going to keep the idea that Gejtul is giving the lady lord a test. If she passes the test, she might receive Ragnarok. He might tell her how or where it was placed. If she fails, and kills Gejtual, it will reveal that she wasn't worthy of it and he keeps the secret with him.

[dark lord]

My memory may be bad. But I recall Frankenstein making two unusual statements. :blink

“There is only one true Noblesse.”
&
“There are those who pretend to be Noblesse.”

From this it became my secret hunch that Rai, is the only true Noblesse and that he predates even the Lord's line. :eyeroll

I've been trying to say for so long.

There are some theories floating around involving the true identity of Rai. however, the statement above is true evidence that Rai is in fact the first noblesse since the old world. The way he sometime talks abut the human race and how they proressed makes me think he's seen it all.

Yet, people still put him on equal ground with the current lord. Ok Lets reflect a little bit :

Rai can use blood field so does the lord - Yet he's not a Lord

He has the power to awaken people's dormant power ( M21's case) - No other noblesse I think would exhibit such an ability.

He's potent attitude befits something beyond royality. I dare say its godly like.

Honestly I see no other reason for him to decline lordship other than him being beyond that.

He has a special treatement even among the nobles - we've seen his castle.

This is what I think untill proven wrong

as to how this is connected to the chapter, you can think of it as a prediction.

[Monsterguy]

As some of you even mentioned, I also agree with this nice theory, that something like this might happen/already has happened:

What if the old Lord decide to devide his soul weapon in half ???

With this the present Lord and Rai would be equal, each with half of the old Lord's original soul weapon !!!

About control, I believe that Rai, as well as the present Lord would be able to properly use their soul weapons, only after the old Lord shows himself as a hologram and permits to Rai and the present Lord to use their soul weapons.

I also believe that the old Lord secretly wished that his daughter and Rai might be able of rouling together !!!

If possible, deep inside his heart the old Lord might have wanted that Rai and the present Lord would become a couple and later even have kids.

With this the next Lord, would get the strong power from Rai's and the present Lord's soul's and become the ultimate Lord. Nobody would be able to oppose to that person (kid from Rai and the present Lord) !!!

Although I wonder how the present Lord and Rai would match with each other... :XD

The only thing, I see, is something like this:

The present Lord: I will kill you Rai !!! (attacks Rai, with blood power - power used by the strongest Noble's)

Rai: How dare you speek to me like that !!! (defends himself, and also starts using blood power)

I believe right now they are no match for each other... :fail

What do you think ???

[S-H-I-G-U-R-E]

What do you think ???

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to hear my answer :P

[naruto-niichan]

I know self-praise may stink but I was right about my prediction :3c XD


Maybe Rael will do something like give his weapons to his brother to support him? He's taking a deep glance at his Grandia in one pic so he may have realized something

Now like Charlie I believe there's a high possibility of him doing it if his brother is on the verge of losing the battle (or is nearly killed, who knows what Franky might do in this state). Yet that would likely mean Franky will lose or be consumed by the "Dark Spear", which could result in a big crisis (if this actually happens and Franky goes on a rampage, there's only one person who will be able to stop him.. Rai :cookiehand ).

Gejutel's speech was awesome, looks like he wanted to say all those things for a long time. I consider him the only Clan Leader who's not blindly loyal. Loyal but vigilant/wary.
His story about the Clan Leaders was quite interesting and I completely believe him that their betrayal was due to the current Lord's shortcomings (at least it was the main reason)
[Who's in for Rai reuniting the Noblesse/Clan Leaders when the Union reveals herself to be a formidable enemy?] :thumbs

I'm really looking forward to the next chapter now, may it be through words or actions, Rai will be epic again :pleased

[Monsterguy]

My short prediction for the following story:

Rai looks at the present Lord as she wants to force Gajutel in Eternal Sleep.

The present Lord: Tch, even you showed yourself, well I guess you are to late. Gajutel you should die first !!!

BOOM !!! (All clan leaders would fall at their knees from the force.)

Rai uses the Ragnarok and stops the sword from the present Lord. With this Gajutel remains untouched. When both swords clashes with each other, they begin to glow and the old Lord shows himself, as a hologram.

The old Lord: So you, my daughter, and you, "Cadis Etrama di Raizel", you are both here in my shrine at the same time, as I was hoping.

The present Lord: What are you talking? How can you let a traitor like him (referring to Rai) in a sacred place like your resting place.

The old Lord: Silence, I invited him in the first place !!!

All young clan Leaders including the present Lord would be shocked !!!

The present Lord: But father he is a traitor becouse of whom all clan leaders started to rebel.

Rai:I have gone to sleep for 820 years and have awakened just recently. I'm sorry my Lord (referring to the old Lord).

The old Lord: I'm happy that you are okay.

Rai: Thank you my Lord (referring to the old Lord). Anyway from what I experienced after I woke up in human world, I believe that what happened was that a human organization started to rebel against us.

The old Lord: Yes, that started a few years after you disappeared. Your noble words have always kept the pride of a true Noblesse up. But with you gone everything collapsed, all started doubting my last decisions, with this I decided to go in eternal sleep.

Rai: Thank you for your kind words my Lord (referring to the old Lord).

The old Lord: Now "Cadis Etrama di Raizel" do you want to be the next Lord ???

Rai: As I have already told you, I decline.

The old Lord: In that case I will give you and to my daughter each half power I possessed. (The old Lord disappears in both Rai and the present Lord swords.)

All clan leaders in their thoughts: Would we have two Lord's now ???

Rai: I did not want to be the Lord. I will leave you (referring to the present Lord) the title of the Lord in exchange please do not force Gajutel or any other clan leader with no proper reason to eternal sleep.

The old Lord: Okay.

Rai: Now excuse me. (Leaves)

All would be schocked !!!

[Host Samurai]

I think that Frankenstein will end the fight in the upcoming chapter because Rajak is already on the verge of being defeated. Rael's change of heart wouldn't make a difference in my opinion. In case Frankenstein does indeed go berserk then the only one in Lukedonia, who would be able to stop would be Rai!! I mean, if Frankenstein loses control he would gain more power then he already has this is madness. :D

But now I wonder what role will Karias play once he delivers Regis? Will he go back and support Rajak or stay in the Lord's shrine? And guys I think we can add another possible pairing in the same thread. :D It seems like the current Lord 'watched' Frankenstein so I interpreted that Frankenstein got her attention^^ Or did I understand it wrong....

[thornofcarrion]

OH MY GOD...another epic chapter. I was right in saying earlier about current's Lord lacking as a Lord. The info about the past events and especially Frankenstein, made my blood pumped faster. Seriously, epic - I salute you Jae-Ho. No surprise in seeing Blood Field, !@#%@#$%@#$12...I think I am overwhelmed by the epicness of Noblesse at the moment and unable to convey my thoughts. I will be back when I have recovered. And yes Noblesse is my favorite at the moment, going straight to the top of my list.

[natli]

I'm surprised nobody commented on Gejutel's scheme. He was obviously testing the loyalty of the new clan leaders with his speech. There might have been some truth in his comments regarding the Lady's lack of leadership skills (like, a lot), but when he said that the betrayal was solely her fault, I think he was lying. Way before, he reprimanded Regis saying that desire for power led to the betrayal (can't remember the chapter).

I think Gejutel has two goals: educate the Lady with his death and test the new leaders. He's amazing because of what he's sacrificing but also because he does it in such an underhanded way :D He has no fear of eternal sleep, and obviously stayed alive only to teach the new generation.

@Monsterguy
Don't worry, I have a total girlcrush on Seira :D

@Otters11
Nice find about Ragnarok! I'm sure the names will be significant later on in the story.

[Monsterguy]

I think that Frankenstein will end the fight in the upcoming chapter because Rajak is already on the verge of being defeated. Rael's change of heart wouldn't make a difference in my opinion. In case Frankenstein does indeed go berserk then the only one in Lukedonia, who would be able to stop would be Rai!! I mean, if Frankenstein loses control he would gain more power then he already has this is madness. :D

But now I wonder what role will Karias play once he delivers Regis? Will he go back and support Rajak or stay in the Lord's shrine? And guys I think we can add another possible pairing in the same thread. :D It seems like the current Lord 'watched' Frankenstein so I interpreted that Frankenstein got her attention^^ Or did I understand it wrong....

"The present Lord x Frankenstain" well that would be interesting... :XD

As far as I understood, the present Lord wanted to force Frankenstein in eternal sleep becouse she thought that he was a noble.

It could also be that she thought that Frankenstain was a normal human and wanted to kill him.

Either way, I believe that the present Lord sees Franky as a traitor and wants to kill him no matter how !!!

She might be even thinking that with this she will destroy the roots of traitors and make an exemple how the rest of clan Leaders and the previous Lord should baheve to humans who are against Noblesse people. But in reality the enemys are the human organizations who are also Frankys enemys... :fail

[hr]


I'm surprised nobody commented on Gejutel's scheme. He was obviously testing the loyalty of the new clan leaders with his speech. There might have been some truth in his comments regarding the Lady's lack of leadership skills (like, a lot), but when he said that the betrayal was solely her fault, I think he was lying. Way before, he reprimanded Regis saying that desire for power led to the betrayal (can't remember the chapter).

I think Gejutel has two goals: educate the Lady with his death and test the new leaders. He's amazing because of what he's sacrificing but also because he does it in such an underhanded way :D He has no fear of eternal sleep, and obviously stayed alive only to teach the new generation.

@Monsterguy
Don't worry, I have a total girlcrush on Seira :D

@Otters11
Nice find about Ragnarok! I'm sure the names will be significant later on in the story.


Totaly agree on all your points above... :amuse

[Shinsatsu]

I just saw the most amazing Noblesse chapter so far. Frankenstein's form is amazing... That dark aura is definitely the work of the devil!
Rai made a badass entrance and the chapter ended at that moment... It's gonna be a painful week of waiting T_T

[Host Samurai]

I just saw the most amazing Noblesse chapter so far. Frankenstein's form is amazing... That dark aura is definitely the work of the devil!
Rai made a badass entrance and the chapter ended at that moment... It's gonna be a painful week of waiting T_T

It was that awesome that you were obliged to do an even awesome sig & avatar combination. :D

@Monsterguy: The lord didn't think that much of Frankenstein she was also suprised just like the others when Gejutel talked about him. Here (http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_191/13), look at the top corner on the left, you see her repeating the information.

[matzik1212]

WoW amazing chapter and once again it always ends at the best part :( rai's entrance was epic with those red eyes and serious expression :) what can i say i'm in love :love :D ....also once again way to go gejutel you say her what no one dares just 'cause they're afraid of her position as the lord :thumbs ....i swear i'm starting to like him more and more , he has my respect once again ^_^

[Otters11]

I've been trying to say for so long.

There are some theories floating around involving the true identity of Rai. however, the statement above is true evidence that Rai is in fact the first noblesse since the old world. The way he sometime talks abut the human race and how they proressed makes me think he's seen it all.

1. Yet, people still put him on equal ground with the current lord. Ok Lets reflect a little bit :
2. Rai can use blood field so does the lord - Yet he's not a Lord
3. He has the power to awaken people's dormant power ( M21's case) - No other noblesse I think would exhibit such an ability.
4. He's potent attitude befits something beyond royality. I dare say its godly like.
5. Honestly I see no other reason for him to decline lordship other than him being beyond that.
6. He has a special treatement even among the nobles - we've seen his castle.
7. This is what I think untill proven wrong

as to how this is connected to the chapter, you can think of it as a prediction.

Then please, feel validated. I know what it feels like, talking to an empty wall. :amuse
1-7 = Yep. Though #5 it's good to have power. He just doesn't want to be bothered.
A cup of tea and he's fine. Except, I find it strange that Frankie provides all his financial needs?
Wonder if it's more like Frankie acts as Executor of Rai's Estates have managed them in the mean time?

Just to back it up though, here is one chapter where a lot of important facts were said.
Full explanation of Alternate Frankie Origin (Top of page), Vampires, Mutants, & Noblesse follow link:
http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Nobl.../Chapter_100/6

@Charlie, Emperor's Cloths Joke. No fault on you. You seem pretty sharp. Plus, If you never heard of this children's story, then you probably wouldn't get the joke. And I could have posted it better. (Sorry) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes

Though, I like to think I'm funny. Especially the little, Lord vs Rai opening 192 Dialogue i wrote. :D


@ Otters11: Sorry for letting your joke go to waste.

Could it be that the lords soul weapon is not fake?Suppose that, the current lord gave Raizel, the family heirloom Ragnarok thats been passed down through the lords family for generations.

He cant leave his daughter with nothing especially since she is going to be come the next leader so, he makes a new Soul Weapon that has his power?The current clan leaders would not have seen the original Ragnarok, so they would not know the difference.

I wrote the same idea a little before.


What if she doesn't know her Soul Weapon is a fake? What if the previous lord imparted part of his soul to the sword she is holding, told her it was the real sword, and she is just like the Clan Heads not knowing better?

Rai hasn't revealed his soul weapon yet. And he said he can't use the one the lord bequeathed him. But he also said upon finding that sword in his mansion that he would have to move it. I wonder if Rai would reveal the True Sword even if he had it with him? Rai seems so polite, that if he believes the Current Lord thinks hers is real or doesn't make a big deal of having the Sword, would he keep the it a secret by never mentioning it? Or would Rai reveal such an embarrassing fact in front of other Clan Heads?

All in all though. I very much doubt he evenly split his and created a copy. When they visited Rai's Mausoleum, Frankie noted the amazing power coming from it. And the Current Lord's sword is not an identical copy. So it should not have had the same name. Plus she should know her sword is fake/different since it was her fathers sword.

I am at a loss in predicting what will happen first with Rai and the Lord? My suspicion is that in order to give the scene some sense of order, we will not see the message left for Rai until he reaches the top of the stairs. So it'll be interesting to see what happens until then.

Plus even though Rai is supposed to be very old and very powerful... I noticed he's weaker than he appears. Using his power gave him a nose bleed at one point. And Frankie was concerned, asking Lord=Rai if he had come out of his sleep too soon. Plus there is a huge mystery of what exactly was going on all the time when Rai's coffin was missing and being handled by some bad humans. Have they borrowed or stolen some of Rai's powers? ~ But that is for another time. (Peace)

[Monsterguy]

It was that awesome that you were obliged to do an even awesome sig & avatar combination. :D

@Monsterguy: The lord didn't think that much of Frankenstein she was also suprised just like the others when Gejutel talked about him. Here (http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_191/13), look at the top corner on the left, you see her repeating the information.

Yeah, I do agree that the present Lord did not see Frankenstain as a powerfull guy and still human.

So the most the present Lord could know, is only one thing (Frank's power + Frank being human = the present Lord's surprise !!!). Otherwise she will not be surprised:

1) FOR THE PRESENT LORD TO KNOW THAT FRANKENSTAIN HAS POWER BUT IS NOT HUMAN:
Untill Gajutel talked, the present Lord might have believed that Franky could posses a little power and be a low class Noble (NOT HUMAN), becouse Franky was always well recognized among old clan Leaders and the old Lord.

2) FOR THE PRESENT LORD TO NOT KNOW THAT FRANKENSTAIN HAS STRONG POWER (equal to Gaju or same/stronger power than a clan Leader) BUT TO KNOW THAT HE IS HUMAN:
Untill Gajutel talked, the present Lord might have thought that Frankenstain was a human, who was only protected by the old clan Leaders, and by the old Lord. But this means that she would still NOT know why Frankenstain was protected (reall reason: Franky with knowledge attaining power equal to Noblesse clan Leaders*1 - what all mankind wants*2), becouse she would not know that Frankenstain possesses power.

*1 I believe that what Gajutel mentioned in the last chapter was, that not a lot of Noblesse people knew about Franky's power and his knowlege (about how to develop power in human body). If there would be more of them (Noble ones) who knew this fact, the humans would soon aquire this information and after capturing Franky, torcher him on all possible ways to obtain it, and than humans would go berserk while using power.
This was indirectly explained here (http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_191/13) ("Nither the previous Lord nor the clan Leaders were inclined to mentioned it, so the knowlege was not widespread.").

*2 So Gajutel tried to explain, why in "reality" Franky was protected. This was, becouse Franky possessed so much knowlage of how to develop strong powers, that all mankind wanted those, even if this means to undergo some process and becoming monsters, as stated by Regis (http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_100/17) ("Becouse you gave up being a human, just for the sake of power").
_ _ _

Well, according to those 2 theories written above, the reaction would be as it was shown in the manhwa. So with all this, I believe that the present Lord saw Frankenstain as a person who only infiltrated the Noblesse society and make it so that all have gone against her and perhapse even her father, but after that Franky would run away where he could not be found untill now.


To sum it all, I think that becouse of all this the present Lord wants to eliminate Franky, and becouse of why she sees him as the roots of all traitors, but she is foolish / terribly wrong here to only asume something without proper evidence... :fail

PS; Sorry I have really complicated all this staff... :s

[jorped]

An awesome chapter and i expect even a more awesome chapter next week :zomg
Rai entrance was just so damm ..... "beautiful" and badass at the same time.
So the Lord has Ragnarok :oh
If i fight between them happens , i don't really know who is going to win, though if Rai has a soul weapon i think he has the upper hand :amuse

[scav]

An awesome chapter and i expect even a more awesome chapter next week :zomg
Rai entrance was just so damm ..... "beautiful" and badass at the same time.
So the Lord has Ragnarok :oh
If i fight between them happens , i don't really know who is going to win, though if Rai has a soul weapon i think he has the upper hand :amuse
the lord have a fake or an incomplete ragnarok

[Otters11]

I was confused by something I read. And wrote this post as a Summary of my current understanding.


The Lord, The present Lord. NEVER registered Frankie in her plans (End Sentence). Her words were like, "I HAVE SENT TWO (count them, 2) Clan Leaders to catch the betrayer, who was foolish enough to return." Gejutel-nim raises, a point, "That will not be enough, My Lord. ~ Do you not recall the one who follows him?"

A Decorative Servant, The Lord's response was a memory image, vague shadow "You mean that shadow who always followed him about." ~ (This imitates her father, Who said, "Guess that Peacock found you", but to show some respect for Raizel's judgement did say "Though his power is good.") Because what Frankie has achieved is "clearly more impressive, than a Noble who inherits part of their power"; There is a begrudging element, that is why the Nobles don't discuss him.

Stranger in a Mansion, The present Lord doesn't understand why Rai was so favored. After all, he had the most modest I am fine without gifts from others attitude. And it is very likely that he never had cause to release any of his energy while living in Lukedonia(spelling). So it's very fair to say she has no probable cause to be AWARE of any of his abilities. He's some odd, non Clan Head (so how powerful can he be), who never leaves his house, and therefore unimportant to anyone's business. Because, why should he be involved?

This is my impression of things, from the Current, Lord Noble's point of view. She was amazingly shallow, superficial, or uninterested ~ OR ~ amazingly sheltered by a father and Lord who just didn't do her any favors in better understanding her place as the next Lord. And who seems to have sabotaged his Daughters Reign by depriving her a Soul Weapon that might in her hands be enough to slay, the Stranger in a Mansion, if he were to accept and challenge her right as Heir.

~ Fact is, I'm not even certain Rai has a soul weapon. He's not a clan Head. So from whom would he inherent one? It may be that Frankenstein's weapon was inspired by whatever tool his Lord may possess? I Don't Know?

[dark lord]

First of all, we still don't know why the former Lord didn't trust in his daughter or why he thought she wasn't qualified enough to rule. however, the last chapter shows how lacking she's in the area of good judgement which makes me think that the former lord was aware of her shortcomings thus labeled her the way he did - He even deprived her of the sword ( the one she has is obviously fake).

I still wonder why would she call Rai a traitor, though I think there are many possibilities. One that I could think of is that she thought that it was her right to be the successor while her father thought rai was more qualified, so out of selfishness and after becoming the lord she labeled him as a traitor. Though I still think there is a missing piece and not enough info.

As to why she is totally oblivious to franky's identity is enough proof that her father kept her in the shadows otherwise she would've known who he was which is not the case because she sent someone weaker than franky to capture him.

The current lord honestly irritates me. Her attitude and insecurity and that paranoia is just making her more lacking and not fitting to be in that position.

[Monsterguy]

@ Otters11
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@dark lord

I must say, I completely agree on all your points writen in (both) your last post.

[hr]

Although not much is known in the story we made one hack of a deal over it... :lmao


Still, I'm happy, why with clearing our doubts and presenting our points of view, we made future events much more clear for ourselves !!!

[toodlydo]

If you look at the current Lord's expression here (http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/mangas/Noblesse%20100-/Chapter%20191/Noblesse_ch191_p23.jpg) (last panel) and here (http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/mangas/Noblesse%20100-/Chapter%20191/Noblesse_ch191_p25.jpg) (first panel), that is not of a person who is scheming something. She is just not mature and not the Lord "material". She is the lord mainly due to her blood line and Rai refusing the position.

After Rai left Lukedonia, the previous Lord went into slumber and the clan leaders could not be satisfied with the Lord's daughter being the next Lord. They knew very well, like Gajutel said, about her incompetence and hence betrayed her. The reason she seems to uptight and bossy is because she is trying to get control over her subordinates and proove that she is capable. She herself knows of her shortcoming and as a Lord one "has to always look serious" (as said by the previous lord).

What surprises me the most is that Gejutel was shocked when the previous Lord asked Rai to be his successor. He seemed to disagree with the Lord's choice then and now, seems to be on Rai's side. I would assume that after the previous Lord's proposal of Rai being his successor, Gajutel might have learned about Rai's true identity. Even the Lord himself had only known about Rai for the past 10 (at the time of the meeting).

[Shinsatsu]

After this chapter, I think that we'll get to see a long FlashBack about the past of Raizel and the Lord's daughter. Because we heard so many things but none of them were clearly explained.
I guess that the conversation between Raizel and the Lord will transform somehow into some kind of flashback.

[jorped]

After this chapter, I think that we'll get to see a long FlashBack about the past of Raizel and the Lord's daughter. Because we heard so many things but none of them were clearly explained.
I guess that the conversation between Raizel and the Lord will transform somehow into some kind of flashback.

Very Possible :thumbs
And i think that would be best way to handle and show to us all this situation, which is definitely the "BIG" moment of Noblesse until now.

It would be great for us to finally get more info about Raizel past so we can clearly understand why the previous Lord didn't found her daughter, didn't recognize in her the capabilities that are needed for a Lord. Though these last chapters, gave to us something that can prolly explain why of this.

[Jammin]

If you look at the current Lord's expression here (http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/mangas/Noblesse%20100-/Chapter%20191/Noblesse_ch191_p23.jpg) (last panel) and here (http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/mangas/Noblesse%20100-/Chapter%20191/Noblesse_ch191_p25.jpg) (first panel), that is not of a person who is scheming something. She is just not mature and not the Lord "material". She is the lord mainly due to her blood line and Rai refusing the position.

After Rai left Lukedonia, the previous Lord went into slumber and the clan leaders could not be satisfied with the Lord's daughter being the next Lord. They knew very well, like Gajutel said, about her incompetence and hence betrayed her. The reason she seems to uptight and bossy is because she is trying to get control over her subordinates and proove that she is capable. She herself knows of her shortcoming and as a Lord one "has to always look serious" (as said by the previous lord).

What surprises me the most is that Gejutel was shocked when the previous Lord asked Rai to be his successor. He seemed to disagree with the Lord's choice then and now, seems to be on Rai's side. I would assume that after the previous Lord's proposal of Rai being his successor, Gajutel might have learned about Rai's true identity. Even the Lord himself had only known about Rai for the past 10 (at the time of the meeting).I agree.

The Lord doesn't even really look angry at the stuff Gejutel said to her. She looks....pained. She doesn't even really seem angry at his insulting appraisal of her. In fact from she has seemed rather reluctant to kill him despite the provocation. If she seems angry at him for anything it seems to me like it's for forcing her hand like he has.

I'm holding to my guess that her negative feelings directed at Raizel, and tendency to believe the worst about him, is based in some sense of abandonment, not due to fearing a threat to her status/power.

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Regardless though the next chapter should be unbelievably epic.

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As for why Gejetel's remained loyal up until now i suspect that has more to do with his fatherly demeanor than it did the Lords capabilities as a leader versus Raizel's. Even now he seems to treat the Lord a bit like a child(as he did with Regis and Seira). When the other clan leaders rebelled it seems like that would have been more than enough reason to stick by her.

Plus Raizel wasn't around before, he seems to have entered his unusual sleep before all of this happened so him taking power was never really an option.

Which if you think about it may even have been the cause. Guy's as strong as Raizel normally wouldn't just vanish, and when he did it might cast a shadow of suspicion on the next in line for power(the current lord). After all nobody seems to really know what happened to him, even now.

[shinobi]

First of all, we still don't know why the former Lord didn't trust in his daughter or why he thought she wasn't qualified enough to rule. however, the last chapter shows how lacking she's in the area of good judgement which makes me think that the former lord was aware of her shortcomings thus labeled her the way he did - He even deprived her of the sword ( the one she has is obviously fake).

I still wonder why would she call Rai a traitor, though I think there are many possibilities. One that I could think of is that she thought that it was her right to be the successor while her father thought rai was more qualified, so out of selfishness and after becoming the lord she labeled him as a traitor. Though I still think there is a missing piece and not enough info.

As to why she is totally oblivious to franky's identity is enough proof that her father kept her in the shadows otherwise she would've known who he was which is not the case because she sent someone weaker than franky to capture him.

The current lord honestly irritates me. Her attitude and insecurity and that paranoia is just making her more lacking and not fitting to be in that position.

I think since the current Lord wasn't aware of the fact the Rai was sleeping ever since he disappeared from Lukidunia 820 years ago like everyone else, and since she and Rai weren't the best of friends to start with,, after her father went to eternal sleep and the previous gajus didn't accept her she convinced herself that Rai was there somewhere in the shadows encouraging them to go against her,, she labeled them as traitors and Rai as their leader, she'll be really shocked when she realize that Rai was sleeping peacefully in a casket for all this time and knows nothing about anything or anyone...

about Franky's Identity, I don't believe that the previous Lord or anyone meant to keep her in the shadows, it's just what Gejutel said, everyone of them realized what Franky was but no one there felt like talking about him, they probably thought that the same goes for the current lord, as someone who's supposed to lead the noblesse after her father she should be at least able to do this much on her own, in fact Gejutel seemed to be really surprised that she didn't realized what Franky is after all this time,, I'm not sure if it's correct to compare their ability of making judgments by only this but from what we've seen it took Rai a very short time with M-21 to realize the true nature on his power and the source of it.

[naruto-niichan]

As for why Gejetel's remained loyal up until now i suspect that has more to do with his fatherly demeanor than it did the Lords capabilities as a leader versus Raizel's. Even now he seems to treat the Lord a bit like a child(as he did with Regis and Seira). When the other clan leaders rebelled it seems like that would have been more than enough reason to stick by her.

Plus Raizel wasn't around before, he seems to have entered his unusual sleep before all of this happened so him taking power was never really an option.

Which if you think about it may even have been the cause. Guy's as strong as Raizel normally wouldn't just vanish, and when he did it might cast a shadow of suspicion on the next in line for power(the current lord). After all nobody seems to really know what happened to him, even now.

I agree, only thing I'm not sure about is that Gejutel treats her like a kid. There is a reason why he never said those things in the few hundred years he served her. The reasons may be 1. Loyalty (he was kind of upset when the previous lord asked Rai to become his succesor. That's why I guess he's very strict when it comes to rules. He would follow the natural sucessor even when he would have been less reliable as the current lord) and 2. Respect. He respects her as the leader and accepted her decisions without a single word of complaint. Only when he was sure to die he said those things to give her a final (fatherly) advice. Otherwise I'm quite sure he wouldn't have said anything.
Would be a shame to see him die now as he would surely be a great help against the organization.

I'm so damn looking forward to the next chapter, the wait's killing me :bored

[tirache]

completely agree with you SHINOBI it took Rai a very short time with M-21 to realize the nature of his power and source unlike the present Lord who had so many oppotunities to reconize what Franky was Gejutel said it "to think you spent such a long time watching him without even noticing what he was" only that is enough to show her inadequacies as a Lord, she is just a little girl who is upset cause nobody want to reconize her and label everyone as traitor.

[naruto-niichan]

completely agree with you SHINOBI it took Rai a very short time with M-21 to realize the nature of his power and source unlike the present Lord who had so many oppotunities to reconize what Franky was Gejutel said it "to think you spent such a long time watching him without even noticing what he was" only that is enough to show her inadequacies as a Lord, she is just a little girl who is upset cause nobody want to reconize her and label everyone as traitor.

Calling her just a little girl sounds a bit too farfetched :cookiestare
First of all she is the strongest among the current Noblesse we have seen so far (except for Rai), as it was stated by Regis when he saw Rai using Blood Field. He can't talk about the previous lord because he has "only" lived for around 200 years, so there's no chance he witnessed his powers.


Regis: And how can he have an aura so powerful? The only other being I know of who has an aura like this... is the Lord, the Ruler of all Noblesse!

I think she would have been able to realize it a long time ago but you lose sight of very important things when you look at someone with the feelings of anger/jealousy. The main problem is her jealousy regarding Rai, when this gets fixed she should be able to be a lot more reliable and maybe will start to be the true leader she was supposed to be.

[tirache]

i think you misanderstand me Naruto-nichan:D, i know she is the strongest among the courrent nobless(-Rai) when i said a little girl is in term of emotion, everyone know as a ruler there are time where you should be able to discard your emotion to make the right decision, and one of this is the emotional decision to carry the sentence of Gejutel into the sacred shrine of the previous Lord also the fact she cant accept the previous clan leaders not wanting to follow her even if we are not totally clear about the past yet

[Jammin]

I realize this is a long shot but you know what i would absolutely to see after this whole situation is resolved is for Raizel to drag a bunch of the noblesse community back with him to Frankenstien's school.

I'd love to see them posing as teachers and students(lord included).

There would be so much fun to be had with that.:D

[Charlie]

I realize this is a long shot but you know what i would absolutely to see after this whole situation is resolved is for Raizel to drag a bunch of the noblesse community back with him to Frankenstien's school.

I'd love to see them posing as teachers and students(lord included).

There would be so much fun to be had with that.:D

On that note, I also had been thinking that the current lord would go back with Rai to the human world and attend class.

Rai would then show off his "learned skills" such as, opening doors, eating ramen with chop sticks and playing video games. Rai pawns her in all of the 21st century things.

All these things the current lord would not know about. :XD

Does anyone think that the old Gaju betrayers would come back to Lukedonia once they hear about Raizels return?

[tirache]

you know what i had like to see, is the whole situation resolved in the end by Rai betrothed with the Lord maybe its that message the previous Lord left in his shrine for Rai to marry his daughter and by that resolve everything

[Charlie]

you know what i had like to see, is the whole situation resolved in the end by Rai betrothed with the Lord maybe its that message the previous Lord left in his shrine for Rai to marry his daughter and by that resolve everything

I think that is what the old lord is planning too, maybe. He seems to go out his way for Raizel.
Come to think of it, who-else can match the lady lord from all the characters that we've seen thus far except Rai?

[Jammin]

On that note, I also had been thinking that the current lord would go back with Rai to the human world and attend class.

Rai would then show off his "learned skills" such as, opening doors, eating ramen with chop sticks and playing video games. Rai pawns her in all of the 21st century things.

All these things the current lord would not know about. :XD Haha, or maybe she'll be competitive with Raizel about it. Just think about them competing to figure out how to make coffee and open doors. Or even better than that introduce videogames into the mix. That would be awesome.


Does anyone think that the old Gaju betrayers would come back to Lukedonia once they hear about Raizels return?I expect 1 or 2 may have lived, and if so may show themselves, but i expect most to be dead.


you know what i had like to see, is the whole situation resolved in the end by Rai betrothed with the Lord maybe its that message the previous Lord left in his shrine for Rai to marry his daughter and by that resolve everything That would be great and an excellent excuse for all the highteir nobles to follow them back to Frankenstiens school. Victory on 2 fronts.

[toodlydo]

Isn't Rai in the shrine to hear the previous Lord's message ? I do not think he was there to particularly stop Gajutel's punishment since it was awkward in the first place for the current Lord to bring Gajutel to the shrine to punish him.

I would say that the epic next chapter would have a confrontation between the current Lord and Rai. Before anything happens, the spirit/power of the previous Lord would come out of the shrine (similar to when he came out of Excalibur) causing everyone's jaws to drop and maybe will give the readers some background info, mainly about Rai and some about Frankenstein. Also Rai said he has no choice and did take the Excalibur from his slumber room, and when he reveals it, it would be quite a double shock to the current Lord.

Reading Jammin's post, a thought came to me. What if Shioon is the son of one of the clan leaders (who came to the Human world after "betraying" the current lord) and a human ? I think that would be kick ass.

[Otters11]

What surprises me the most is that Gejutel was shocked when the previous Lord asked Rai to be his successor. He seemed to disagree with the Lord's choice then and now, seems to be on Rai's side. I would assume that after the previous Lord's proposal of Rai being his successor, Gajutel might have learned about Rai's true identity. Even the Lord himself had only known about Rai for the past 10 (at the time of the meeting).
Major typo, Mr Toodlydo or people who read this post.

Rai has been in Lukedonia for hundreds if not thousands of years. Because he was there nearly a thousand years ago to quell the upheaval in the Human world. which Frankie seems to have been responsible for. And it may be, He is in service to Rai, as a type of protective custody in the sense that by him being the Lord of Frankie, helps keep Frankie in check (Granting frankie permission to use his powers, as a sort of verbal seal/agreement.) BUT MY POINT IS, What the lord said, was, "If not for me calling you out, you would never leave that mansion of yours. What has it been, ten years since you last appeared in front of me?"

See: http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_180/4

[lawlett-kun]

ok epic chapter. So The lord has the rangnarok weapon hmmm interesting. I predict that the previous lord split his weapon in 2 parts one for his daughter and one for Rai, somethn similiar to Keritia clan. I expect some Bad ass moments from Rai next chapteru

[toodlydo]

Major typo, Mr Toodlydo or people who read this post.

Rai has been in Lukedonia for hundreds if not thousands of years. Because he was there nearly a thousand years ago to quell the upheaval in the Human world. which Frankie seems to have been responsible for. And it may be, He is in service to Rai, as a type of protective custody in the sense that by him being the Lord of Frankie, helps keep Frankie in check (Granting frankie permission to use his powers, as a sort of verbal seal/agreement.) BUT MY POINT IS, What the lord said, was, "If not for me calling you out, you would never leave that mansion of yours. What has it been, ten years since you last appeared in front of me?"

See: http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_180/4

Lol. The statements in bold by you could be quite misleading.

First let me clarify what I had intended to say in the post you pointed out. I was trying to say that it is possible that the Lord saw Rai for the first time 10 years before that incident. I did not mean that Rai only appeared in Lukedonia 10 years back.

Now back to your statement and the link. The page you linked was the same reason I wrote that line. It says there:

"It has been what, 10 years hasn't it?"This means that the lord saw him the first time or the last time, 10 years back. Now lets look at what he says next.
"If it was not for my summons, you would have stayed in your home all this time." Note "all this time". This suggests that Rai probably met the Lord for the (possibly) first time 10 years back and since then has been on constant call from the Lord.

What I am getting at is that there is a possibility that Rai has been staying at his mansion for a long time in isolation and 10 years before the meeting shown in the chapter 180, the Lord summoned Rai for the first time and maybe it was only then he knew about Rai. Again, this is a "prediction" (of the past :p) since we are in the thread meant for it.

[shaheer]

i think that psuedo Ragnarok, i mean simply the greater ragnarok is left with Rai
and as the blood haze thing seems to be related with Ragnarok i am positive that Rai can use it
may be there were some complicacies with the fact that it should be wielded by the next Lord hence the Lord parted em, the one with the tendency of attaching em with the lord with the current lord the raw power with RAI

[natli]

I realize this is a long shot but you know what i would absolutely to see after this whole situation is resolved is for Raizel to drag a bunch of the noblesse community back with him to Frankenstien's school.

I'd love to see them posing as teachers and students(lord included).

There would be so much fun to be had with that.:D

Oh yes please! :D This is a fantastic idea. This would serve to rehabilitate Rael, he'll need this more that confinement.
And Franky would run out of rooms :P

Where is everybody getting those awesome sigs? 0.o

[Jammin]

I was rereading some past chapters for the fun of it when i happened across some stuff that got me thinking. Maybe it's all just a product of my imagination but....Shinwoo and the previous lord seem kind-of similar to me.

Not in appearance, but they both have a sort of light hearted mischievousness about them and among his friends Shinwoo is unquestionably the leader. The other thing they seem to have in common is that Raizel pretty much followed his lead(in the school at least).

Which gets me thinking, i've always assumed that either the current Lord(talking about her is going to be much easier when we learn her actual name) or Raizel will end up as Lord. Now it's been said that the current Lord is just not well suited to the task and Raizel not only continually refused the job but said that "couldn't" wield the Lords soul weapon(not sure what that means exactly).

So what if, and i realize this is pretty big if, the previous Lord's message was is that, if he refuses the job, to assign Raizel the task of finding somebody suitable to be Lord. Which brings me back to the similarities i notice between Shinwoo and the previous lord. Is there any chance that the sword Ragnarok might eventually end up in Shinwoo's hands?

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So what do you all think? Is that line of reasoning completely insane or just mildly insane?:tem

[jorped]

I was rereading some past chapters for the fun of it when i happened across some stuff that got me thinking. Maybe it's all just a product of my imagination but....Shinwoo and the previous lord seem kind-of similar to me.

Not in appearance, but they both have a sort of light hearted mischievousness about them and among his friends Shinwoo is unquestionably the leader. The other thing they seem to have in common is that Raizel pretty much followed his lead(in the school at least).

I always thought since the beginning that Shinwoo was a character that was destined to something bigger. He was one of my favourites and it was a bit sad to see that he isn't getting much screen time lately.
I definitely understand and agree with your comparison between him and the Previous Lord, they certainly share a similar personality :thumbs



Now it's been said that the current Lord is just not well suited to the task and Raizel not only continually refused the job but said that "couldn't" wield the Lords soul weapon(not sure what that means exactly).

I don't think that Raizel will end as the Lord, cuz if he didn't accepted back then, why would he accept now ?
The only reason would be that he know is able of holding "Ragnarok".

But after thinking who would will be the Lord, i am really excited to get some flashbacks of Raizel and the Lord past. Until now the current Lord seems definitely to have taken not the best choices, but based in what i saw until now, i also think that she is nothing more than a "victim".
I still don't understand why her Father didn't trust her the position of Lord, but that's something that only time will tell us.


So what if, and i realize this is pretty big if, the previous Lord's message was is that, if he refuses the job, to assign Raizel the task of finding somebody suitable to be Lord. Which brings me back to the similarities i notice between Shinwoo and the previous lord. Is there any chance that the sword Ragnarok might eventually end up in Shinwoo's hands?

That's possible, but if this happened i hope the authors explain everything very well, cuz if not this will end with a very weird taste to all of us.
Cuz the main character is Raizel not Shinwoo, so it always be a bit weird seeing Shinwoo in a higher position than Raizel.


So what do you all think? Is that line of reasoning completely insane or just mildly insane?:tem

Mildly insane :p
Nah kidding, it's a coherent possibility that might prolly end happening :beer

[shaheer]

That's possible, but if this happened i hope the authors explain everything very well, cuz if not this will end with a very weird taste to all of us.
Cuz the main character is Raizel not Shinwoo, so it always be a bit weird seeing Shinwoo in a higher position than Raizel.

true i feel that the idea is a bit farfetched, i mean i hope shinwoo stays as he is, what do you guys think will happen if the soul wepon that the brat is holding merges ? Will the table turn? i mean will frank be pushed?

I dont think that franks fight and rais fight will be parallel.
I mean we ll get to see the franks fight as much as possible then the manhwa will shift to Rais fight.So we may have to wait for some issues till rai and the lord fights.
Incidentally i opened a poll thread in the nobless sub on da topic of rai vs lord.
give your thoughts and op :)

[phio_chan]

I'm here, at last! :hurr
Finished the chapter just now, I really can't help my curiosity of reading more. Things are definitely getting more interesting. If Gejutel really lives up to his reputation, there must be a serious problem with the current Lord... The accident with the traitors, I'm very curious about that one. I'm also worried about Frank, wondering if he would let his power overcome himself... But knowing Frank, I guess he wouldn't. ^^"
As for what will happen next, I think we would get more chats in the next chapter, considering how talkative Gejutel is. Now that Rai has entered the battlefield too... The other clan leaders would be curious, the current Lord included. And I imagine that Rai would stop the eternal sleep to Gejutel and Seira... I think we deserve some explanation in the next chapter. ^^

[tirache]

its my guess but i think the requirement to use the power of a Soul weapon you must be a blood related of the person you obtain it from (that must be why Rai say he cant use it and Lord say he can have it as deco) but i think Rai will be able to use it thanks to the gift(cross) he obtained from the the old Lord cause i dont think its just a simple Cross, that old Lord seem too cunning for me :p:D thats must also be part of his plan

[Charlie]

i think that psuedo Ragnarok, i mean simply the greater ragnarok is left with Rai
and as the blood haze thing seems to be related with Ragnarok i am positive that Rai can use it
may be there were some complicacies with the fact that it should be wielded by the next Lord hence the Lord parted em, the one with the tendency of attaching em with the lord with the current lord the raw power with RAI

The current lord did not call her weapon Ragnarok, only the clan leaders did upon seeing it.

They just assumed that since that it was her soul weapon, hence Ragnarok (passed down to her from her father).

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I dont fully understand why Rai and the Lord both have said Rai cant use Ragnarok. There might be some conditions attached to Soul Weapons.

My hunch is that its because Raizel does not share the lord blood. All soul weapons are handed down to the clans heir hence only they can use it. In the recent chapter, Rael mentions giving up ownership of Grandia and have it merge back into Kerta.

Anyway, going back to Rai for a moment....
I believe that Rai maybe able use his power over the sword and use it temporarily, sort of like infusing his power into the blade.

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The last chapter ended with a boom sound effect, I wonder what happened....

[Otters11]

Lol. The statements in bold by you could be quite misleading.

First let me clarify what I had intended to say in the post you pointed out. I was trying to say that it is possible that the Lord saw Rai for the first time 10 years before that incident. I did not mean that Rai only appeared in Lukedonia 10 years back.

Now back to your statement and the link. The page you linked was the same reason I wrote that line. It says there:
This means that the lord saw him the first time or the last time, 10 years back. Now lets look at what he says next. Note "all this time". This suggests that Rai probably met the Lord for the (possibly) first time 10 years back and since then has been on constant call from the Lord.

What I am getting at is that there is a possibility that Rai has been staying at his mansion for a long time in isolation and 10 years before the meeting shown in the chapter 180, the Lord summoned Rai for the first time and maybe it was only then he knew about Rai. Again, this is a "prediction" (of the past :p) since we are in the thread meant for it.

You were very clear this time. And I apologize or summarizing, then linking the real page and not correcting my post to read identical to it. But I still feel the supposition made is wrong.

I am 100% positive that the lord's first time meeting Raizel could not have been only Ten years before that incident. There no logic to. I get that you feel there is enough vagueness to suggest it. But rationally and historical... Bollucks!

1. If you were really impressed with someone on a single encounter. Would you wait ten years saying nor asking anything more of the person before offering them everything that is yours? i.e. The president had a wonderful lunch one evening. Then ten years later thought, you know that guest I met back then only once. I think he is more qualified than anyone I've none for the last 100-10,000 to take over my job. Because that one meeting instilled more trust than I could have for anyone else I've met more than twice!

2. The very casual level of conversation reflects a long period of familiarity.

3. Gejutel-nim in no one objects to Raizel or questions the sanity of lord as offering this to a stranger only met once before.

4. Gejutel-nim seems quite familiar with both their outlandishly civil, yet completely unorthodox ways of being of being as normal reality for the character of them both. "Why does reality have to be like this...?" http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_180/4 ~ If you were a loyal long time advisor and your King offered everything to a person he had only met once, ten years prior without any other dissicion before this moment, would He really only have this one question on burden to think?

5. Do you think Raizel built his Mansion 10 years ago, and the only time the kind would have met him, was while he was sitting in the hollow shell drinking tea as it was being built? And by offering the Lord one cup of Tea for visiting this new neighbor, the Lord was so impressed that ten years later he thought. That cup of tea was worth my entire kingdom and disowning my own flesh and blood?

6. If they has only met ten years before, then how did Raizel know he could not use the soul weapon. And how did the king already know he could not use the soul weapon. Yet offered it too him as an ornament, sacrificing the most powerful end the entire human world and planet weapon to someone he met 10 years ago??


toodlydo, you are very smart. And it's great that you are putting raws up, that I hope to some day make use of as I learn, the smallest amount about editing a scan. But there is just no logical reason for you to assume the only date offered, must represent the entire history of their relationship.

It's like opening up the bible, and saying God built the world in seven days. So God didn't exist before those seven days. And that the story of man & creation could only have taken place in the last 2,011 years because that is the date on the calender.


There are tons of dates and facts, totally being ignored.
A. This is obviously nearing the end of the Lord's very long Rein.
B. There was an upset in the human world, that the lord sent two Clan leaders to arrest and they both failed.
C. Raizel was the one who went and captured him.
D. Hundreds of years after that, Frankie had wondered back out into the world conducting experiments without Raizel's permission. Raizel showed up, lechered him, and they returned to Lukedonia, accidental leaving behind a book, that the "Organization" 's head research had come across and used to achieve his status.

So right there you have hundreds of years between just with Frankie. Frankie and Raizel the people who are now known as Noblesse, before they went by that name. And they left before the King entered his enternal sleep!! Yet here you have the kind making plans for his enternal sleep. So their hundreds of years of know's the Noble's, tracing back hundreds or thousand of years before that, 10 year gap meeting. ~ If you read my link to chapter 105 in an earlier post you know that Frankie and Raizel's contact with them predates these Noble's even taking on the name Noblesse. That there was originally only one person recognized by that name. ~ Strongly suggesting the very name these Nobles have taken, is in fact the singular name of Raizel, The one person known as "Noblesse".

I'm stunned. Please read this and reconsider the idea of suggesting only 10 years had pasted from their FIRST ENCOUNTER and that was enough for King to betray all rules, laws, traditions, and award a tool to end the world to a stranger. There is simply no way you are right in this suggestion. :darn

[tirache]

there something that i had like to add. http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_180/4 in that part the old Lord did not said "do you wanna be Lord" but "are you sure you dont wanna be Lord " like it was not the first time he make that proposition Rai refused, its my guess but i think Rai lived(maybe grown) in Lukedonia and a regular at the castle i think the Lord see him as a Son and maybe after the first time the Lord propose him to be the Lord he started secluded himself in his mansion and did not present himself before the Lord in 10 years thats my guess:super

[toodlydo]

@Otters11
Firstly, thank you for the informative post. There are quite a few things I did forget while forming the theory. Also, now that I re-read my post I did come out as a d!@k. I had really no intention of being one and I am sorry it seemed that way. I was trying to make sure that I clearly put my ideas out.

About my post again, I wanted to say:

Rai must have stayed in Lukedonia for many many many years.
The previous lord might have met Rai 10 years back and has summoned Rai ever since and hence the familiarity.
Gejutel being surprised is because the lord has only known Rai for mere 10 years compared to their regular time sense, since they live for thousands of years.


I absolutely agree that there are definite holes in my theory. But, please note that that post's theory was a continuation of my previous theory. I had suggested that Rai might have been a descendent of the original ruler of Lukedonia. Uninterested in ruling, he must have secluded himself for years before the lord found him. The extreme liking and the willingness to give the strongest weapon in Lukedonia to Rai would be incomprehensible irrespective who Rai normally was. Hence my theory about Rai somehow being of a superior clan or something along the lines of a descendent of the "true" lord seemed quite good to me.

Then again as you pointed out, the time line becomes quite scrambled and not much is known about the past either. I guess the 10 years theory maybe should go out the window.

Anyways, the first time Rai was asked to become Lord was here: click (http://egscans.com/Manga_Viewer/Noblesse_100-/Chapter_177/7). He must have asked Rai this question quite often and hence in ch 180 he says "Are you sure you do not want to be lord?" and Rai is wearing his birthday present as an earring.

[Otters11]

Chapter 177 was great. Thank you for pointing it out.

It's all good. I'm thankful you endured my rant, without feeling anything personal was meant by it. Even more that you tolerated the regular writing errors it had to finish it. ~ It took me all that ranting to find words in myself, to express the logic of what ultimately was encapsulated in two and a half bold lines. :P

I had forgotten when or where that ear-ring story took place too. ~ For all we know that was the time 10 years before the next flashback we discussed. Or that was just another meeting that could have been hundreds of years before?

One really curious thing that you point out, is just how removed from the flow of time, Raizel is. My imagination slants into the same camp as a forum member named "dark lord". That is, I would not be surprised to learn that Raizel predates all the nobles and could even predate lukedonia having a name. The myth in my head is one where Raizel is like the oldest living being on the planet. Maybe not the first known intelligent one. (Cause the story says there are many other secretive old races, besides them and the wolf people.) But the way they present him as such a muted disconnect person, I would not be surprised if chapter 192 opened with Raizel walking right past the Lord ready to end Gejutel's life or Eternal sleep, not saying a word, and walked up the steps, because his " first item" to do was to visit the past lords sanctum and hear the message left for him there.

Just imagine everyone standing dumbstruck as this stranger, walks right past an execution in progress to listen to a centuries old voice mail left just for him.

Either way, I apologize for acting so ruffled. It was just one point I strongly disagreed with, and not the person themselves. And you went the extra step to be honest with yourself and look up the truth without becoming defense. So you have my respect, and gratitude for helping clarify a point, I struggled to make. ~ Good wishes, from a guy who sometimes has a green hide.

@tirache, welcome to the discussion. And you could be right. I haven't seen enough yet. But the previous lord did seem to have an endearing attitude toward a character none of us can really say we know much of just yet. It may not be my opinion, but it is an interesting one. Look forward to see what the message reveals to use about them both, and perhaps what happened among the Nobles after Raizel left, that led to the revolt over who should become lord?

3 or 4 days more suspense before we even know, if Raizel and the lord will talk, fight, or just glide past each other.

[shinobi]

its my guess but i think the requirement to use the power of a Soul weapon you must be a blood related of the person you obtain it from (that must be why Rai say he cant use it and Lord say he can have it as deco) but i think Rai will be able to use it thanks to the gift(cross) he obtained from the the old Lord cause i dont think its just a simple Cross, that old Lord seem too cunning for me :p:D thats must also be part of his plan

I got the same feeling about these earrings that the Lord gave to Rai!! I just can't digest easily that the Old lord's only intention was to give Rai a gift that he doesn't need and for no reason, I feel that they're the key for something and they'll help somehow to control Ragnarok, and what the old lord said (think of them as your birthday gift, happy birthday!!) well my interpretation: when the time comes, thanks to these earrings I'll be able to pass down what I want you to have as I please and you'll be let's say reborn with the ability to use them that you never had before, your approval doesn't matter anymore, so happy birthday!!!

well at least I'd like it if it happens this way!! ^ ^

[Monsterguy]

My hypothesis:

What is Rai?

My opinion is that the grandfather from Rai was once the Lord, even before the old Lord.

Sorry it's hard to distinguish them by names, becouse they were still not given, so I will adress them:
1) the present Lord;
2) the old Lord - the previous Lord;
3) and finally, the ancient Lord - before the old Lord.

I believe that the ancient Lord had two children. The first was a girl(Rai's mother) and the second was a boy(the old Lord).

When the time came for the ancient Lord to go in his eternal sleep. He decided to leave his soul weapon Ragnarok to the old Lord. He might not want to see a girl as the next Lord, although that girl(Rai's mother) would be more than capable to become one. Still the ancient Lord's son - boy(the old Lord) was also seen as one who is fit/appropriate to become the next Lord.

With this the the ancient Lord decided to pass Ragnarok to his son(the old Lord), instead of his rightful successor - his daughter(Rai's mother).

After giving birth to Rai, Rai's mother would teach to Rai everything(especially manners) and at the end, Rai's mother would go in eternal sleep and leave to Rai a royal soul weapon, Rai is very proud of !!!

But later when it would be time for the next Lord, the old Lord would see his daughter NOT fit/appropriate for the present Lord, and so he would decide that he will give Ragnarok back to Rai, as it should be rightfully Rai's from the start, becouse Rai is the pure blood Noblesse !!!


If I go on, with my hypothesis, from what I wrote in Rai discussion thread:

The problem might be, that the soul weapon can only be passed to your descendant. So the old Lord might have decided to give to Rai half of his soul along with Ragnarok, and the earings* - the keys wich give Rai permission to use Ragnarok as his own soul weapon.

*For Rai it might be hard to control the power from the Ragnarok, becouse he would have a medium - earings and no control to lower the power from Ragnarok. But on the other hand, Rai would be able to wield much stronger power than any Lord before him, with no time limit, becouse the earings would be functioning as for gathering/preparing the necessary power.
So the power from Ragnarok would NOT give to Rai any side effects, wich come after a normal Noblesse person uses a lot of his power, without some time to gather/prepare the necessary power and only than releasing the
technique - Rai's nosebleed before, becouse he used a high level technique, without having some time to gather/prepare the necessary power, beforehand.
Still this power from Ragnarok would be rather destructional for all around Rai. With this Rai would decide NOT to use it, if necessary, why all around him would be in danger, if Rai starts using it.

PS: This could come useful, later in the story, becouse Rai would be stronger than any Lord before him. Why having the power and releasing it through your body was difficult for all the previous Lords, but not for Rai now, becouse Rai would be able to use "all the power" from Ragnarok the instant he starts using it.
To sum it all, for Rai it would not be needed any time at all, to gather/prepare the necessary power from Ragnarok!!! What would mean that from the get go/begining, when Rai would bring out Ragnarok, and untill he retrives it/turns off the power from Ragnarok, Rai would be able to go "full power"... :smile-big

But not to leave his daughter disowned, I believe that the the old Lord gave to his daughter the other half of his soul and with this the soul weapon she posseses now. Remember untill chapter 191 there was no mentioning that the present Lord has a soul weapon named Ragnarok, becouse the young clan Leaders only thought in their heads, that it was Ragnarok. So the actual name of the soul weapon from the present Lord might be different and not Ragnarok !!!

[Jammin]

I look forward to finding out some specifics on why Raizel dismisses the possibility of using Ragnarok.

Having Ragnarok linked to the Lord's bloodline is a strong possibility but I'm not 100% convinced that's the reason. It also could be something specific to Raizel that prevents him from using Ragnarok. For example...


Maybe he's cursed, and broke his ability to use any soul weapon.
Maybe he has another Soul Weapon and perhaps a person can't wield two separate soul weapons.
Maybe something about the nature of the clan from which he originates renders him incapable of using a soul weapon.
Maybe he made a solem oath to never use Ragnarok. Somehow i think if Raizel gave his word he would never go back on it, no matter what.
Maybe combining his power with that of Ragnarok would simply be too dangerous. Causing it to be to powerful to control.

[Otters11]

If it was something specific to Raizel,

Then my guess would be that no sole weapon would behave correctly for him. ~ i.e. IMO, it was super unusual that Raizel could activate the Lycanthrope bloodline in the Heart of M-21. ~ By definition soul weapons seem to be weapons infused with the collected power of ancestry souls who have possessed them. ~ A comical way of illustrating how I imagine Raizel activating a soul weapon that a bloodline related person might use, is like a clip from the movie Poltergeist's Exorcism scenes where all the power present is uncontrollably called forth out at once. ~ This might be extended to my post explaining how Frankie's weapon may be an imitation of one of his master's abilities. He found a way to imitate his lords ability and call upon intrinsic powers. It may be that Frankie collected all the souls of those executed or killed by the Black Plague or more cleverly, forged together legendary executioner's or barbarian's or Mongol Lord's weapons, then summoned the souls of all those who were killed by them to power his weapon. Their lingering mortal anger and hatred for the world powers his weapon. And when he becomes too weak, this power source overwhelms him as well.

Well, it's a thought. :amuse