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chei
January 22, 2012, 03:55 PM
I enjoy this new anime series a whole lot! I especially like how stylized the colors and characters' proportion are, it's more fitting to the vibe of the early volumes of the manga...it reminds me of looking at a wondrous illustration book that takes you to a different world, instead of attempt to be dark and realistic like the old series was. The shadows have a nice pastel blue color and I love that hisoka's hair turn a shade of hot pink/purple under lighting.

It was long time ago when I watched the original anime adaptation in real time back then and remembered being very frustrated by the changes, fillers and the characters being OOC. I especially couldn't stand how they portrayed Gon back then -- that overtly cheery innocent voice, innocent face and big eyes annoyed me so much, and Killua in the old anime was basically a complete different character than the manga. It's like they tried too hard to fit them neatly into stereotypical shounen cliches.

mrsticky005
January 22, 2012, 05:08 PM
I actually thought the pacing was excellent on this episode. It made Hisoka vs Agon seem a lot more intense. Reading the manga and seeing ho the two were going to meet it was just like ok they are going to run into each other. and Hisoka is going to rape him. Here it was like OH SHIT THEY ARE GOING TO RUN INTO EACH OTHER AND HISOKA IS GONNA RAPE HIM.

Also I love the ending with how Gon is sitting under the tree and he's all quiet. You can tell from the look in his eyes he wants payback.


Best moment of the episode: Hisoka's crazy scream when he attacks Agon. So freaky. :D

Uriel
January 22, 2012, 10:30 PM
I completely forgot posting some gifs :P
Leorio knows some skills. lol, that plus his scene as kid makes me think of him as He was from a brazillian fabella.
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Punched Gon. Freaking awesome animation there. I love bouncing bodies xD
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As always Hisoka has the best gifs :O
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Peekabo.
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Sea Hunter
January 23, 2012, 01:07 AM
mmmm I think everyone should wear hisoka's rape face as their sig then we go dominant the "best villain" thread :pwnge

Netero
January 23, 2012, 03:38 AM
I had to add a Hisoka pic in my sig because it's just epic! :hip

~Andrew~
January 23, 2012, 05:10 AM
When adapting the work into animation, what essence of the series was the most important to depict?

Because the original manga first started being published 13 years ago and since the first Hunter x Hunter animated series ended 7 years ago, we made this series because we wanted people who don't know about "Hunter x Hunter" (especially children) to see its charm. Of course, we've had to avoid some grotesque imagery . However, we were especially careful not to ruin the atmosphere present in the original work.

So the greatest wish they had was to show children an Anime Adaption of a Manga in which Human-sized Ants cut off children's/woman's/everyone's heads and taste pieces of their brain.

On a serious note... It sounds like the Guy is an idiot who would sell XXX-Films without a single sex/erotic scene to children who don't know about sex. I'm just kidding that's bullshit (of course), but some people could get a little bit angry/confused, if they only read this answer from him, because HxH's atmosphere, which they want to keep, isn't supposed to be seen by children. It sounds a little bit contradictory.

BUT as I read the whole Interview it made MUCH more sense for me and I'm kinda relieved.

Here is why:

Let's have a look at another question&answer first.

What makes you happiest about being able to create this work? And the opposite--is there anything difficult about it?

Since the original work is fairly well known, sometimes I get comments after it's been animated. I've been quite happy to hear the general response to the new series, criticism included; I feel as if it's a difficult work to do again.


There're a few reasons as to why I'm believing now a whole lot more in them and their work:
- They knew how famous HxH was from the start, but my guess is that they got even more feedback than expected.
- They've got to fulfill wishes from new fans, old fans and hardcore-fans ( hardcore hxh fans endured every hiatus over years so it's a delicate situation).
The new fans are probably children and teenagers, the "old" fans who knew the manga from the start but didn't watched it from the start to the end and the hardcore-fans who are the oldest fans. So they've got an audience with people from 10 to 25 (or maybe 30) years old fans.

- He said he's happy to get comments (critisism included) and that alone is a very good sign and shows that he respects the fan's wishes (that's always good. just remember Infamous 2 and the new hero they had at the beginning, but the fans conplained and they listened to them. For an opposite example look at the new Devil May Cry game, the chef of Ninja Theory made an Emo out of dante and most fans complained but he said he won't listend and so on, but in the end he changed his look a bit, you see that in the new trailers). They should listen to their fans to a certain point, that's how it goes in this age xD.

- I wrote too much again, sorry. I could've just wrote 2 sentences to make my point clear. xD
- The main reason I'm relieved is this :
I'm a bit worried as to whether or not we'll have to alter the unavoidable grotesque imagery from hereafter.

They understand that it's unavoidable, but if they keep the violence reduced then the atmosphere will without any doubt be ruined and crushed to bits.

So, is he thinking about completely removing the "grotesque imagery" or does that sentence mean he's thinking about raise the violence level from here on?

In both cases I'm relieved, because if they remove more violence the atmosphere will be ruined and the ratings will go down or the critisism will raise, but if they try to keep the manga's atmosphere AND violence (because violence isn't the only part of HxH's atmosphere, don't get me wrong there) 1:1 then most fans will be happy.

An Anime containing the true atmosphere of HxH will be the most epic Anime since years.
The Emotions I felt while reading HxH were just mind blowing.

Well, anyways they should decide on their course as fast as possible because it will be impossible to Animate the Chimera Ant arc if they don't take it serious.
I don't want the Anime to end after Greed Island again O:

What do you guys think of this Interview?

hunted
January 23, 2012, 09:20 AM
thanks uriel
that face what i mean by the last reply of mine
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Popo
January 23, 2012, 10:09 AM
This episode covers chapters 27 and 28 in the manga, while corresponding to episode 23 and half of episode 24 in the 1999 series.

Hisoka has a strange run in the 1999 series.
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When choosing to follow Hisoka, Gon in the manga already knows he's targeting Leorio and Kurapika. In the 1999 series, he doesn't find out until after Hisoka has already stopped. He never considers whether or not it would be better to steal Hisoka's badge if he attacks Kurapika and Leorio.

The 1999 series changes Kurapika's bokken swords into katana, for some reason. Leorio's knife is also made into a Japanese blade.
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I don't think either anime adaptation gets Hisoka's vogue pose down.
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Hisoka's bloodlust sees him standing still until morning in the manga and 2011 series.
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The 1999 series sees Hisoka claw at his arms and grasp his stomach while trying to suppress his bloodlust. His eyes roll into his head too. None of this happens in the manga.
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/Toto_y_Moi/HunterXHunter16/HisokaStomach.jpg

While the 1999 series does shade the areas around Hisoka's eyes while he lurches, it doesn't look similar to how it is in the manga.
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Agon. 1999 series doesn't show blood when he dies--he just falls over.
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Geretta is beheaded by Hisoka in the manga. In the 1999 series, Hisoka kills him and steals his hat. In the 2011 series, Hisoka drags his body and drops it in front of Gon.
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Gon being hit by Hisoka is more violent in the manga/2011 series.
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Gon in the 1999 series is traumatized by the encounter after this point. He is afraid of Hisoka more than anything. He can't move for two days, urinates himself, eats bark, pities himself, and cries. We have no access to Gon's thoughts in the manga/2011 series, but it's clear that something inside him has changed.
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Bomber D Rufi
January 23, 2012, 01:38 PM
Although for the most part I am happy with what the 2011 anime is doing (some scenes like Pokkle's arrow, and Hisoka fighting against that one guy in the trick tower were breathtaking.) I am a little let down that the one filler episode in which Gon is alone in the woods recovering from his encounter with Gereta and Hisoka won't be covered in this version. I like many first saw the HXH anime before reading the manga, (which I am collecting now.) so I was convinced that the episode with Gon reflecting on his journey thus far and fearing Hisoka was part of the manga. I really liked how the episode was presented in this 'stream-of-conciousness' style as it probably reflected Gon's jumbled up thoughts after being hit with the relaxer dart and getting his clock cleaned by Hisoka. So when I read the manga I was really surprised to see that he really recovered quickly, and that the 1999 anime had added all of that. In a way it detracts from Gon's character a little bit -he's supposed to be this kid that gets back up from ANYTHING. While in another sense it humanizes him -a kid who just experenced true fear for the first time.

As for the later atmosphere and whatnot while I can understand others worrying and speculating on how it will be handled I think it's probably for the best that we just watch and see. If anything Madhouse has shown that action scenes will be handled proficently so I'm looking forward to how they'll do things when the series shifts from the Hunter exam to Yorkshin and beyond. I hope for big things, and other than the fact that the pace has been a little slower than I would have liked (which to be fair is because of the anticipation for later arcs), it has been delivering. Lets not forget that 1999 had to deal with censorship as well, and for the most part people still enjoyed the series. One thing that bugs me though is that they note them as 'grotesque' scenes, which isn't wrong but denotes that the staff themselves find them too disgusting to animate. I may be reading into things too much, but that may create a bias that keeps them from staying close to the manga version. Togashi isn't Togashi without the gore after all. ;)

Also Popo-san I take it you're also Toto on the Animesuki boards? Thanks so much for the comparisons. I enjoy reading them as much as I do actually watching the anime. I have reasons as to why I don't join Animesuki, so I really appreciate you going through the trouble of posting them here as well. Thanks.

Popo
January 23, 2012, 02:13 PM
Although for the most part I am happy with what the 2011 anime is doing (some scenes like Pokkle's arrow, and Hisoka fighting against that one guy in the trick tower were breathtaking.) I am a little let down that the one filler episode in which Gon is alone in the woods recovering from his encounter with Gereta and Hisoka won't be covered in this version. I like many first saw the HXH anime before reading the manga, (which I am collecting now.) so I was convinced that the episode with Gon reflecting on his journey thus far and fearing Hisoka was part of the manga. I really liked how the episode was presented in this 'stream-of-conciousness' style as it probably reflected Gon's jumbled up thoughts after being hit with the relaxer dart and getting his clock cleaned by Hisoka. So when I read the manga I was really surprised to see that he really recovered quickly, and that the 1999 anime had added all of that. In a way it detracts from Gon's character a little bit -he's supposed to be this kid that gets back up from ANYTHING. While in another sense it humanizes him -a kid who just experenced true fear for the first time.
I think it depends on how you feel Gon's character is. These both represent major turning points for him, in some ways. I think it's out of character (only in the manga/2011 series) for him to be deathly afraid of Hisoka--in the 1999 series, Gon is traumatized. He's frightened and it's something he has to overcome. It's an expected response to the whole matter, considering that he's a kid and was just hit in the face by an adult. But in the manga and 2011 series, his reaction is the opposite of what you might expect. Gon doesn't fear Hisoka like he does the boogeyman, but he spends the night in anger instead of fear. Gon gains a new desire as a result, and his personality is warped in a way because of it.


Also Popo-san I take it you're also Toto on the Animesuki boards? Thanks so much for the comparisons. I enjoy reading them as much as I do actually watching the anime. I have reasons as to why I don't join Animesuki, so I really appreciate you going through the trouble of posting them here as well. Thanks.
Thank you for even taking the time to say this! I appreciate it.

Uriel
January 23, 2012, 08:18 PM
I actually enjoy hos Gon is portrayed and was a bit annoyed by him when I initially saw the first series. It was way too naive for my taste more considering all the praise He got. As it's now, He actually catches my attention as much as Killua does, makes sense on the balance of the characters. Each one are portrayed as Hunters and not only as comic reliefs. Specially Leorio, I might add.

Netero
January 23, 2012, 09:14 PM
Gon is one my favorite characters but I just didn't like how his character was portrayed in the first anime.

~Andrew~
January 24, 2012, 02:37 AM
While in another sense it humanizes him -a kid who just experenced true fear for the first time.

Well, while I can agree that Gon has experienced a killer Aura like Hisoka's for the first time I can't agree that he hasn't got the feeling of TRUE fear before.
Remember that he's a wild boy.
He once run into a "marked" (scratches on a tree from a mother animal) area and the angry mother was about to kill Gon, but Kaito saved him and exlpained a few things to Gon. That's true fear in terms of instincts, like when a tiger stands before you, your body fills with adrenaline and you either fight, flee or you get paralysed.

But that's natural fear and you can still think about fleeing while hisoka when he sends out his murderous aura/intend it's like you could die any second, so I'll give you that.
Its the first time for Gon to experience that he could die any second a trauma of sorts.
Because as a Hunter he's a kid compared to the likes of hisoka.^^
Just to clarify: Gon isn't a Kid, he's an adult.
And that are Killuah's words not mine.^^ He had sex with women which prefer kids or something like that. In that matter he's truly an adult, heh. You get what I mean.




As for the later atmosphere and whatnot while I can understand others worrying and speculating on how it will be handled I think it's probably for the best that we just watch and see.

Yeah, that's what I think, too.
I just didn't get this last statement "alter the grotuesqe imagery from hereafter".
Will he completely remove all traces of violence or is it the opposite and he's about to make everything more violence like in the manga?



If anything Madhouse has shown that action scenes will be handled proficently so I'm looking forward to how they'll do things when the series shifts from the Hunter exam to Yorkshin and beyond.

Yes, I agree completely.
Madhouse will do a good job regarding the Animation of upcoming battle scenes.
But what exactly do you want to see in Yorkshin "and beyond"?
Do you want to see how they handle things in upcoming arcs?
I feel the same way since the Guy from the interview said the atmosphere will change very soon.


One thing that bugs me though is that they note them as 'grotesque' scenes, which isn't wrong but denotes that the staff themselves find them too disgusting to animate.
Togashi isn't Togashi without the gore after all. ;)

That's exactly what I thought. :'D

thatguy3331
January 24, 2012, 01:45 PM
I missed the ep saturday and just finished watching it.

what ever doubts I had about madhouse transitioning the tension and darkness of the manga... has all been washed away... almost.

But even still this was amazing! The OST was on track, they portayed the my three favorite scenes just right, and even though hisoka didn't take the dudes head off in this version, like with killua, they put that extra effort so the creepiness was still there. I particulary like how gon was this intire episode, not only acting as a hunter and not a shounen hero who's only a hunter in title, but His sense of fear and finally the shame he felt of having to be helped/spared by hisoka got across wonderfully without making him seem like a wuss.

I give this one a 9.5!

While I'm not as bothered by how madhouse will handle the violence in he chimera ant arc anymore, I'm still sort of wondering how a few scenes will work, like the cheetah ant when he stole all the cops fingers. I've been reading back through it and I can already take a guess and what they'll do for most things, but a few I can't quite put my finger on...

MegamanX195
January 27, 2012, 08:27 AM
This last episode was wonderful, most likely my favorite!

I never thought that was the case, but I started wondering... was Hisoka... really doing what I think he was in that scene? Did Togashi have that planned by that point already? I'm speaking that way so I don't spoil people watching it for the first time.

Popo
January 27, 2012, 08:58 AM
This last episode was wonderful, most likely my favorite!

I never thought that was the case, but I started wondering... was Hisoka... really doing what I think he was in that scene? Did Togashi have that planned by that point already? I'm speaking that way so I don't spoil people watching it for the first time.
Are you referencing Hisoka using Nen? If so, Togashi had that planned probably since the beginning of the series.

Menchi notes that Hanzo's aura is good in episode 7, Netero uses Nen in episode 7, Gon uses Zetsu in episode 15. Togashi had it in the works for quite a while.

MegamanX195
January 27, 2012, 10:18 AM
My brother and I were arguing about that, actually.

I was arguing that Hisoka wasn't using Nen, and that was just his "killer instinct", or something. When Menchi mentioned Hanzo's aura, I thought she was simply saying that he was capable of being a good hunter or some other metaphor, never took that by face value. And about Netero using Nen, I thought he simply used more strenght, since the manga never implies he did.

Thinking better about it, you're right. But I still think in Netero's case he didn't really use it, it was just added for dramatic effect.

Popo
January 27, 2012, 01:56 PM
My brother and I were arguing about that, actually.

I was arguing that Hisoka wasn't using Nen, and that was just his "killer instinct", or something. When Menchi mentioned Hanzo's aura, I thought she was simply saying that he was capable of being a good hunter or some other metaphor, never took that by face value. And about Netero using Nen, I thought he simply used more strenght, since the manga never implies he did.

Thinking better about it, you're right. But I still think in Netero's case he didn't really use it, it was just added for dramatic effect.
In Netero's case, you're right--it could have just been his speed. But the way Gon and Killua felt his presence is sort of reminiscent of the other thing.

Menchi's comment on Hanzo, however, specifically makes use of the English word "aura," which is exclusively used in the manga to refer to one's Nen.

MegamanX195
January 27, 2012, 02:52 PM
Yeah, I checked my manga right after that.

She says that there were some examinees that emanated a great amount of aura, so he definitely had it planned since then. Also, I liked your comment on how Gon used Zetsu subconsciously: I never thought about it that way before, I just thought he hid his presence so well that he could fool even Hisoka, but that makes a lot more sense.

Also, are you doing comparisons for the episodes you missed? I really enjoy your comparisons, you catch on to a lot of small things I wouldn't notice if I was doing something similar.

Uriel
January 28, 2012, 01:04 PM
It's not that He was using Zetsu, remember that everybody has those chakras sealed. Using En means to expand the aura to feel the presence of things. Gon did not hide, He camouflaged with the natural surrounding as the beast He can be. A natural animal instinct.

Popo
January 28, 2012, 02:03 PM
Also, are you doing comparisons for the episodes you missed? I really enjoy your comparisons, you catch on to a lot of small things I wouldn't notice if I was doing something similar.
Absolutely. I've also sporadically been working on a pretty comprehensive comparison between many elements of the series. I wanted to post the thread when the 2011 series finished the Yorknew City arc, but I think I might do those posts in waves. I'll probably first compare the differences in characterization between Gon and Killua.


It's not that He was using Zetsu, remember that everybody has those chakras sealed. Using En means to expand the aura to feel the presence of things. Gon did not hide, He camouflaged with the natural surrounding as the beast He can be. A natural animal instinct.
Well actually, though not explicitly stated, it's heavily implied that he was using it. One of Togashi's visual cues for characters using Zetsu is having them losing the light in their eyes. (http://www.mangareader.net/207-14099-1/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-90.html) You aren't supposed to realize just what Gon had done until his fight with Gido in Heavens Arena. He naturally knew how to use Zetsu (which essentially is just shutting of your own aura flow like turning off a valve) prior to learning of Nen.

Regrettably, if you look closely, you'll notice that Nippon Animation rarely replicated Togashi's visual style when it came to battle and techniques. They had their own sense of design that was stunning, but it also was disappointing to someone who had read the manga and appreciated Togashi's style.

Netero
January 29, 2012, 12:01 AM
Nice episode this week. The Hanzo part was hilarious! and the next episode we'll be starting the final phase of the hunter exam.

Crude
January 29, 2012, 07:53 AM
Loved the scene where the gang is searching for Ponzu. The music was awesome! Killua was pretty badass in this episode, though when is he not a badass :p? Also, Bourbon's snakes looked pretty good, I mean you could hardly notice the CG (unless I'm wrong and it wasn't computer generated).

I'm hoping that Madhouse will add some stuff to the last exam just as Nippon Animation did. I kind of miss some of the little fillers the latter added to the Hunter Exam arc, that stuff made the arc even better in my opinion. Then again I also really want to see the Ant and current arcs animated asap.

Uriel
January 29, 2012, 12:47 PM
It was a good episode indeed. And suddenly this version made me realize the island was bigger than it seems. At first when I watched the original I thought it was only one big forest and I couldn't believe that they needed 3 days to find Ponzu xD

Posting gifs later If I found some.

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Not so many cool gifs this week. ._.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyjtyiPYv01r9d2p4o1_500.gif
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Even Killua agrees it's boring in terms of animation.
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lykdp0xCvL1r8v7y3o2_500.gif

Although I always enjoy seeing Kurapika and Gon smiling, actually.
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mrsticky005
January 29, 2012, 05:59 PM
It was a good episode indeed. And suddenly this version made me realize the island was bigger than it seems. At first when I watched the original I thought it was only one big forest and I couldn't believe that they needed 3 days to find Ponzu xD

Posting gifs later If I found some.

---------- Post added at 02:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:48 AM ----------

Not so many cool gifs this week. ._.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyjtyiPYv01r9d2p4o1_500.gif
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lykdp0xCvL1r8v7y3o1_500.gif
Even Killua agrees it's boring in terms of animation.
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lykdp0xCvL1r8v7y3o2_500.gif

Although I always enjoy seeing Kurapika and Gon smiling, actually.
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyjuffOt8F1r9d2p4o1_500.gif


Not much action but I would say the little that was animated was animated well.

Though I didn't care for CGI snakes... :mono It looked out of place.
Though when they actually drew the snakes it looked much better.

A solid episode of HxH. Great characterization but lacking in action.

Popo
January 29, 2012, 06:34 PM
Catching up. These next few are going to be more comprehensive than prior comparisons, so bear with me. The reason why this is so is because I haven't really focused on the differences between the scripts of the series, which might be a problem. Episode 14 will be done in two parts. Probably 15 too, I think? I have to check my notes.

Episode 14 in the 2011 series covers the last two pages of chapter 23 through chapter 25. It corresponds to episode 21 in the 1999 series. To put pacing into perspective, keep in mind that the 1999 series would have only covered up to Kurapika vs. Majitani at this point. Also, despite both series beginning in the month of October (the 2011 series started two weeks before the 1999 series did, though), we're progressing much faster. We wouldn't have seen this part until mid-March in the original. Not so necessarily say this is a bad thing, especially considering that the 1999 series marathons pretty well. I just feel that it is important for the comparisons to detail context as well.

The opening scene in the 1999 series is scripted almost entirely differently. While I transcribed the dialogue mostly from the Viz subtitles, a lot of their translations are liberal for the sake of flow. But I also translated several of the lines myself in order to convey nuance/indicate if the script reused specific words or lines.

Lippo (1999): We now have only the Fourth Phase and the Last Phase to go in this Hunter Exam. About the Fourth Phase... I'd like everyone to draw lots.

Everyone: "Lots?" "What now? Lots?"

Lippo: "There are as many cards in this box as the remaining applicants. You'll each choose one in the order in which you escaped from the Trick Tower."

Khara: "And with that, Mr. Hisoka, please go ahead~!"

Hisoka, Gittarackur, Hanzo, and Sommy draw their lots.

Lippo: "Now then, the card you just picked will have a number. And those numbers correspond with the remaining applicants' ID numbers. And this drawing has just determined...the hunter and the hunted.

Leorio: "The hunter and the hunted?"

Gon: "What does that mean?"

Lippo: "In short, the objective of the Fourth Phase is: 'Stealing each other's ID badges.'"

Imori: "Huh?!"

Hanzo smirks.

Lippo: "And the applicant whose badge ID number corresponds with the card you've picked...(Lippo points to the sky and then to the audience) is your target!

Fourth Phase × Forty-Four × Number of Death

Khara: "We've recorded the number each of you have picked! We do not mind if you wish to dispose of them."

Lippo: "Heh heh...As I was saying earlier...Your objective is to collect the ID badge off of your target. In order to pass this phase, you'll need six points."

Hanzo: "'Six points...?' What do you mean by that?"

Lippo: "During the Fourth Phase, each badge is worth a certain number of points. That is to say, the number tag of your target is worth... 3 points!"

Imori gasps, Hanzo smirks.

Lippo: "Your own number badge is also worth... three points! In other words, if you can steal your target's badge and manage to protect your own badge, you will pass the Fourth Phase. And by the way, all other applicants' badges are worth one point. Of course, I don't care if you get the six points you need that way. You'll be staying on Zevil Island for one week. The entire island is your playing field. It doesn't matter what methods you use, collect the six points. Well then, I'll leave the rest to Khara."

Khara: "Yes! I have some wonderful news for everyone here! Everyone here has been granted an unconditional invitation to take part in the First Phase of the Hunter Exam next year! If you weren't able to make it this year, please try again next year, ye~s? ... So gloomy... Well then! Everyone, the trip to Zevil Island will take about two hours, so please relax and enjoy yourselves."
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Lippo: "You may know who you're hunting, but you have no idea who's hunting you. It could be someone standing next to you, like your friend. Fufufu... The battle has begun."


I won't bother transcribing the 2011 series' version because it's more likely for you all to watch it. Just know that aside from extending the scene in which everyone draws lots to include Gittarackur, Pokkle, Gon, and Killua (including a 5 sec scene of Gon asking Killua a question about the manhunt/Leorio making a comment about drawing lots with style), the scripting and direction is just about the exact same as it is in the manga. None of Lippo's lines are changed, and the sequence matches.

In the 1999 series, Khara accompanies Lippo to have the contestants draw lots. In the 2011 series/manga, Lippo and the other unnamed proctor do it.
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There isn't a removable seal on the number lots in the manga or 1999 series, but there is one in the 2011 series.

Lippo. His gestures are more natural in the manga/2011 series. In the 1999 series, after making a gesture, he always returns his hands behind his back. Also, the way he holds up six fingers matches the manga's blocking in the 2011 series.
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The 2011 series adds a line in which Imori asks for clarification about the methods one can use to steal each other's number badges. Lippo clarifies with the line "Of course, you are free to use whatever methods possible to steal your target's badge. And let me say, I don't mind if you kill your target and steal the badge off his corpse." I think it's funny that both versions depict Imori's cowardice, since his catchphrase clearly contradicts his actions.

The 1999 series turns the Fourth Phase into a moral issue. There's a filler scene in which Kurapika and Leorio discuss the manhunt. Kurapika seems angry that it's a manhunt despite not having a problem with it during the phase.

Tonpa approaches the pair again and introduces every character that plays a part in the Fourth Phase. The other side characters aren't really discussed because they were introduced in a three-episode long filler (episodes 18-20). It helped to flesh out some of the top 24.

The manga introduces the top 24 on its cover page. The 2011 series has a kind of long scene in which it shows every candidates' faces.
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/Toto_y_Moi/HunterXHunter14/Top24_Anime.jpg
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/Toto_y_Moi/HunterXHunter14/Top24.jpg

Also: the boats they're on are different. The 1999 series has the candidates take a battleship to Zevil Island, whereas the manga and 2011 series has a smaller boat do so. However, once the applicants
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Gon and Killua's conversation here was one of my favorite moments in the series while I was only three volumes into it. It's a bit different between all three versions. I really liked the first panel of Gon sitting on the ship in the manga because of how spacious it is. The clouds, the people in the background. The fact that you can't see his expression.
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In the manga/2011 series, Gon sit below the railing of their boat. In the 1999 series, they sit off the edge of the battleship. Compare their gestures/blocking to those the manga. This scene is very well done in all three versions, I felt.
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Gon in the manga/2011 version is trembling with anticiption and Killua notices. Gon doesn't tremble in the 1999 series. Killua doesn't ride away on his skateboard in the 2011 series--he carries it instead.
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Zevil Island. The 1999 series forgets to draw in the body of water located on the island.
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The 1999 series changes one of Khara's lines once they reach Zevil Island.

Khara (1999): "After one week, please bring six points worth of plates and return back to this place."

Khara (2011/Manga): "You will stay on this island for exactly one week. During this time, you must please amass six points and return back to this place!"

When disembarking from the ship, in the 1999 series, Hemotropic Butterflies flutter around Hisoka's hidden wound and Gon notices. The 1999 series jumps straight to Gon's turn to disembark instead of showing Agon, Imori, and Killua disembark as well. The 2011 series shows Gittarackur, Hanzo, Agon, Shishito, Imori, Kurapika, and Killua disembark.
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/Toto_y_Moi/HunterXHunter14/HemoButCut.jpg

The 2011 series cuts out the scene in the manga when Gon first arrives and almost catches Geretta lurking in the shadows. He still stalks Gon in the 2011 series, but you don't see the scene as it was in the manga. This scene is in the 1999 series.
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Geretta: "That was close. The kid's got good senses. I guess I'll take my time hunting him."

That's it for part 1. I'll post part 2 as soon as someone creates a buffer between this post.

Edit: Thanks, Uriel! Fixed that sentence.

Diivil
January 29, 2012, 06:47 PM
Ives Been Creeping on MH for a very long time now, not bordering making an account, but i just had to make one to show you how much i appreciate and love your comparison. They are very Details and overall just amazing, I keep checking this thread almost everyday and after every episode just to see if you have an new comparison up. Thanks you very much for doing these asi enjoy reading them as much as i enjoy the anime and manga.:hip

Uriel
January 29, 2012, 07:09 PM
You outdid yourself, Popo.

Just a little fix:
"Also, despite both series beginning in the month of October the Fourth Phase" The fourth phase what? :O

Ives Been Creeping on MH for a very long time now, not bordering making an account, but i just had to make one to show you how much i appreciate and love your comparison. They are very Details and overall just amazing, I keep checking this thread almost everyday and after every episode just to see if you have an new comparison up. Thanks you very much for doing these asi enjoy reading them as much as i enjoy the anime and manga.:hip
Welcome! There is chapter discussions who are not long and I'm sure you'll also enjoy. Poster of this forum tend to be smart. :D

Popo
January 29, 2012, 11:40 PM
The second half of episode 14 covers chapter 24. Again, the animation/art in the 1999 series is pretty good. I'd say check this episode out and see what you think.

Zevil Island: Day 1. It starts off with Gon washing his clothes in the manga because he's still dirty from the events that occurred in Trick Tower. I love how Togashi pays attention to the dirt on his characters. Both anime series offer their own interpretation of Gon washing himself and they're very different from each other. I'll describe the 1999 series' version in more detail in my comparison for Episode 16. However, if Gon washes his clothes on the first day in the 2011 series, we don't see it. He washes his face on the second day.
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This panel makes it into the 2011 series.
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Gon takes notice of Pokkle stalking Kyu.
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Gon has a minor line change in the 1999 series. After seeing Pokkle, instead of saying "There's another behind him..." (the line in the manga and 2011 series), he says "And there's another one."

Pokkle in the 2011 series has shorter hair than in the manga/1999 series. Both animated versions have him wear an outfit that he wears later in the series instead of the one in this scene. I should mention that this scene is really well animated in the 1999 series--in fact, most of the episode is. It's the same team that worked on half of episode 12 of the 1999 series. Though Pokkle firing his arrow in the 2011 series looks fantastic as well.
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There's a commercial break placed right after Pokkle fires his arrow in the 1999 series. When the show returns, it replays the scene.

Gon says "He missed?!" in regard to Pokkle's shot in the 1999 series instead of "He blew it!!"--the latter is his line in the 2011 series and the manga.

After being stricken, Kyu runs towards Pokkle and takes a swipe at him--forcing the teenager to fall back in avoidance. Kyu has a bit of a monologue in both animated versions.


Kyu (1999): "Too bad for you. Let me just say that someone like me isn't so soft that he'd be easy prey for you!"

Pokkle (1999): "I wonder about that."

Kyu (1999): "You fool! You don't have the time to prepare another arrow. You're just my poor prey." (Kyu raises his sword, freezes, and falls) "Why...you...!"
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Kyu (2011): "Whoa there. That was close! Sorry, but I'm not that easy... (Kyu starts to twitch and fall) that easy... You...bastard..."

When Kyu falls, he doesn't twitch in the 1999 series like he does in the manga/2011 series.

Gon's next lines are different between all three versions. The 1999 series makes mention of Kyu noticing a disturbance in the wind, and the 1999 series has Gon say "This is hunting...A hunt!" instead of "This is a Hunt!" The next few lines are different too.

Gon casts his fishing rod. The 1999 series does a great job of mimicking the manga's panels when it comes to this. The 2011 series follows Togashi's direction, but the blocking is often different. Gon uses fruit as target practice instead of whatever he uses in the manga/1999 series. He still draws faces on them though.
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Geretta shows up again in the 1999 series. "Yesterday's ally is today's enemy..." I don't appreciate how he's characterized as a villain in the 1999 series.
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/Toto_y_Moi/HunterXHunter14/GerettaStillStalk.jpg

There's also a filler scene added to the 1999 series that shows how Leorio spent his first day. Tonpa stalks him but offers to team up. Leorio declines. Tonpa pulls out a walkie-talkie and we already find out that he's targeting Leorio.
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/Toto_y_Moi/HunterXHunter14/TonpaDoubleCross.jpg
"The target has been located. Time for the next step in the plan."

Gon figures out that Hisoka will be a moving target immediately after his first cast in the manga. It takes him a while to figure this out in the 1999 series.
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2011 series cuts out two of Gon's lines on page 137. "Even if I catch Hisoka off guard, it's unlikely I'll be able to knock him out in one shot. Having said that, I don't have any poison either."

The 1999 series doesn't include a panel of Geretta watching Gon in the bushes from the chapter it's based upon. It's in the 2011 series and the manga.

Gon starts practicing on birds and missing every time. I (personally) like how the 2011 series is willing to let Togashi's quiet scenes breathe. Take these panels, for instance:
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Though the scene is kind of in the 1999 series, it isn't as Togashi directed through his artwork.

The 2011 series has a filler scene that shows what Kurapika and Leorio are doing on the first day. Surveying the island.
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/Toto_y_Moi/HunterXHunter14/LeorioFirstDay2.jpghttp://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/Toto_y_Moi/HunterXHunter14/KurapikaFirstday.jpg

Nightfall. Very different scenes between versions.


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Gon (Manga): "Damn! I didn't think it'd be so hard! I guess tomorrow then!"

Gon (1999): "I didn't think it'd be so hard! At this rate... (flashback Hisoka: "Yeah. You pass. Become a good Hunter. What a good boy.") I wonder if I'm no good as I am now...good enough to face Hisoka."

http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/Toto_y_Moi/HunterXHunter14/GonFearsHisoka1.jpg
In the 1999 series, Gon falls asleep and dreams about leaving Mito. This is the first time you realize that he doesn't hear what she whispers in the first episode of the 1999 series--great touch.

Gon falls asleep next to a bug lantern. Geretta plans on sniping Gon in the 1999 series, but the boy wakes up and his plans are thwarted. Geretta in general is a different person in the 1999 series. In a filler in the 1999 series, Gon saves his life after he's almost sucked into a waterspout. Geretta helps "save" his life in return (though in actuality, Hisoka does it). Instead of an interested observer, he's a comrade turned enemy in what I felt to be somewhat generic. He even attempts to snipe at Gon while he's sleeping, going against his supposed method of hunting--which Gon discovers in this very episode--and the statement he made about "taking [his] time" to hunt Gon.

Gon (1999): "Aunt Mito kept her promise and let me take the Hunter Exam. It's my turn to keep the promise! It's small, but I still have a chance! I just gotta give it a try! Alright!! I'm gonna do it!! Just you wait, Hisoka! I'll swing a thousand times!"

The 1999 series implies that Gon doesn't get any sleep on the first day. He practices swinging all night, despite not having any birds to target.

Gon (2011): "Damn! I didn't think it'd be so hard! It's too dark for me to see anything and all the birds are gone...Okay! Tomorrow, then!"

Day 2. 2011 series cuts out Gon's line: "If I could at least predict its next move...yeah, right."
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Differences in language again. The direction of the scene in both adaptations is pretty good.


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Gon (Manga): "I get it!! There it is!! A moment when I can read my enemy's movements!"
Gon takes aim and watches the bird closely.
Gon (Manga): Go!! (Gon casts and catches the bird) I did it! I got it! The moment when my target seizes his own prey!! That's where I'll aim!"

Gon (1999): "There it is!! This is it!! This is...! With this, I can steal Hisoka's badge! The moment when my target aims for his prey! Aim there! I can do it! With this, definitely!"

Gon (2011): "I get it!! There it is!! There's a moment when I can read my enemy's movements!"
Gon takes aim and watches the bird closely.
Gon (2011): Go!! (Gon casts and catches the bird) I did it! I got it! The moment when my target seizes his own prey!! That's where I'll aim!"

In the manga, Gon's training is about learning how to hunt. He naturally learns Geretta's method and perfects it--it's his first major step in becoming a good Hunter. In the 1999 series, obtaining Hisoka's badge is emphasized over learning the skill itself. In the 2011 series, Geretta comes out of the woodwork in a filler scene and compliments Gon on learning how to hunt.

Geretta (2011): "Heh. He actually mastered the art of hunting. Impressive kid. But that intense concentration will be your undoing."

Diivil
January 31, 2012, 04:05 PM
excellent review and comparison thanks. The long review is the one i love reading the most :)

Uriel
January 31, 2012, 10:55 PM
Uhhh. Pics are out :O

Popo
January 31, 2012, 11:34 PM
Yeah, Photobucket died on me. Well, here's something to make up for it: Part 1 of the episode 15 comparison. If someone creates another post buffer, I'll post part 2 immediately after.

Episode 15 covers chapters 25 and 26 in the manga, and corresponds to episode 22 of the 1999 series.

The first scene has Gon say completely different lines. The scenario also changes.




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Gon (Manga): "Ow! My hands are all bloody. I guess it's from casting the rod for two days straight. But thanks to that, I have perfect accuracy catching birds as they go for their prey. If I put this in practice, I'll definitely be able to take Hisoka's badge. Now all I need to do is find Hisoka!! (Gon pauses and realizes that he has no way of locating Hisoka) Um, how? (Birds flutter above) This island is pretty vast...hmm...I guess I'll have to walk around and trust my instincts."

(Hemotropic butterflies surround Gon.)

Gon (Manga): "Wha-what?!" (Gon tries to swat them away.) "Why are they gathering around me?" (Gon notices that they're attracted to his hands.) "They're attracted to the scent of blood?"

--

Gon (1999): "(Gon releases the bird) I'm sorry. Ow-ow-ow-ow-ow! I guess it's from casting the rod nonstop since yesterday. But thanks to that, I have perfect accuracy catching birds as they go for their prey. If I put this in practice, I'll definitely be able to take Hisoka's badge. But...How am I going to be able to find Hisoka?"

(I'll note that Gon's hands aren't bloodied at all, but the skin is tender and there are some welts. Immediately after this line, the Hemotropic Butterflies sort of just start swarming his closed fist.)

Gon (1999): "These are...! They must be attracted and gather to the scent of blood! (Gon remembers the butterflies that flew next to Hisoka after disembarking) I see! These are the same type of butterflies that were following Hisoka. That must mean he's been wounded. If that's the case, these butterflies should be able to lead me right to him by scenting his blood! Please hurry! We have to get to Hisoka before his wounds heal!"

--

Gon (2011): "Ow! My hands are all bloody. I guess it's from casting the rod for two days straight. But thanks to that, I have perfect accuracy catching birds as they go for their prey. If I put this in practice, I'll definitely be able to take Hisoka's badge. Now all I need to do is find Hisoka!!" (Gon pauses and realizes that he has no way of locating Hisoka) "Um, how?" (Birds flutter above) "Really though, how am I supposed to find Hisoka's badge? I guess I'll have to walk around and trust my instincts."

(Hemotropic butterflies surround Gon.)

Gon (2011): "Wha-what?!" (Gon tries to swat them away.) "Why are they gathering around me?" (Gon notices that they're attracted to his hands.) "They're attracted to the scent of blood?" (Gon tests his theory to see if it's true).



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The Hemotropic Butterflies chirp in the 1999 series. They don't in the manga/2011 series. This next scene is pretty much the same between versions, but the 2011 series already revealed that Gittarackur was in contact with Hisoka in episode 5 so it combines the conversation with imagery not seen in the manga--it shows Siper hunting Gittarackur.

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The 1999 series moves the positions of scenes from the manga all over the place, so I'll write this comparison based upon the manga instead. Gon finds Kyu. Gon doesn't patch up Kyu's wounds in the 1999 series, nor is his shirt removed. In the 2011 series, Gon doesn't place Kyu near the water that Pokkle mentioned in the previous episode.

The 1999 series removes pretty much all of the quiet scenes of Gon exploring until he finds Hisoka. Togashi devotes an entire page to this in silence in the manga. The 2011 series retains these scenes. In the 1999 series, gunshot, Gon hears it, ignores it, and soon finds Hisoka. I'll give more details on this in part 2.
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Look how Gon's face changes from anticipation and slight fear to a completely neutral expression. The ADR is fantastic for this scene in the Madhouse version. Gon's heartbeat and shaky breath can be heard the whole time while he's telling himself to calm down, but as soon as he enters into that state, he exhales his last breath and all you hear is silence. It's sort of creepy--it implies that Gon's heart stops and that he stops breathing in order to silence his presence. And most importantly of all, look at how his eyes change in the manga/2011 series.

It's very obvious that something happens to Gon in this scene in the manga. On page 155, his eyes are normal. But on 156, they've darkened. This is very important.

Anyways, I'm going to backtrack a bit. The 1999 series has a filler scene in which Gittarackur hunts down Gozu. A few things. Gozu stops at a waterfall to grab some water, but looks down only to see Gittarackur waiting for him in a deep pond. Gittarackur rises from the water without getting wet and then somehow stands atop water?
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Anyways, then you see Siper taking aim. Siper is female in the 1999 series, but male in the manga/2011 series (at least, Gittarackur's line near the end of the episode implies such is the case).
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Siper gives us a bit of a monologue in the 1999 series ("I suppose I should be thankful for this phase. I may not be able to challenge these guys in physical strength, but when it comes to hunting, I won't lose to anyone! You are just my adorable prey. Before you know what happened to you, you'll already be in heaven. Farewell."), gunshot. OK. Moving on.

After Gon discovers the Hemotropic Butterflies in the first scene, the 1999 series skips ahead to Tonpa approaching Leorio for meds (before trying to offer him anything in return). Their conversation is scripted very differently in the 1999 series, which has been transcribed below. In fact, most of the 1999 series' script for this scene is entirely different from Togashi's. If you've seen the 2011 series, the scene is essentially the same as it is in the manga.

In the 1999 series, Leorio draws his knife onto Tonpa on the first day. But in the manga/2011 series, it's on the second day. Also, Tonpa doesn't reveal his stomachache to Leorio until after offering to tell him information about his target.


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Leorio: It's you again? You're so annoying! Why do you keep following me?!
Tonpa: My stomach hurts. I think those berries I ate back there were rotten!
Leorio: Serves you right for being a pig!
Tonpa: I thought you wanted to be a doctor... Please, are you carrying any medicine?
Leorio: I don't think so. You're probably faking it. You're pretending to have a stomachache just to catch me off guard and steal my badge.
Tonpa: I'm not faking it--it really hurts!
Leorio: I don't believe you! (Tonpa keels over in pain) That really does sound like it hurts...
Tonpa: It does really hurt!!
Leorio: Hmph. When I think of your track record, I can't help but to be skeptical.
Tonpa: C'mon, please! Because I'll tell you info about your target in return!
Leorio: The information first. Who's this?
Tonpa: What's that? So it's Ponzu?
Leorio: Ponzu?
Tonpa: A woman. She wears a hat.
Leorio: Oh yeah. That girl, huh?
Tonpa: That woman will use any and all kinds of chemicals as weapons, good and bad. But the way she uses them is quite simple. She'll set a trap and just sit there and wait for the opponent to walk right into it. She's a spider of a woman.
Leorio: Really now? So she's cute, but deadly huh?
Tonpa: If you find Ponzu, especially pay attention to the direction of the wind and the ground beneath your feet. She already knows that someone is out to get her, so you can bet she's going to be ready and waiting.
Leorio: Anything else?
Tonpa: Nothing special. She's just your average woman...if you can get the jump on her, you should have no problem winning.
Leorio: The jump on her, huh? That doesn't sound bad!
Tonpa: I'm at my limit!! Quickly, the medicine...!
Leorio: Yeah, I got it! I got it! You stay there.
Tonpa: Wh..what? You're still suspicious? I already told you, you're not my target, didn't I?!
Leorio: I just can't trust you. Let's see...medicine...medicine...

Sommy attacks.
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Sommy: Pureeto Ge~htto (I love the way this line is said, haha)
Tonpa: Just as I predicted; his badge was in his bag.
Leorio: TONPA...! You assholes...you're in cahoots?!
Tonpa: That's correct. Well, to reveal the secret, you've been my target all along.
Leorio: What? But you even showed me that your card had number 191 on it!
Tonpa: Oh yeah... You mean this guy? (Holds up card)
Sommy: That's the number of my target. Tonpa's is this guy right here. (Holds up card)
Leorio: Wha...? You're saying that you guys...switched cards...?
Sommy: Wow...You fell for such a childish trick, didn't you~ (Sommy's monkey laughs)
Tonpa: Don't be stupid! I had to have my stomach turned inside out to fool him! He wants to be a doctor, so if I was faking he would've known pretty quick. But thanks to that, you didn't see through my trick!
Leorio: So you tricked me?!
Tonpa: Hey now! You should have already known by now...I'm Mr. Tonpa, the Rookie Crusher!
Leorio: You bastard!!
Sommy: Tonpa, meet back at the rendezvous point!
Tonpa: Right!
Leorio: Damn! Just you wait!
Tonpa: Hey, hey! Your badge is over in that direction!
Leorio: Shut up! I won't be satisfied unless I punch you in the face!
Tonpa: Hahaha! Don't get mad! It's your own fault for letting us trick you! Besides, working in teams during the Hunter Exam is common sense!
Kurapika: I agree with you on the former, but I cannot forgive you for the latter. (Kurapika kicks Tonpa in the face) You shouldn't be tricking people in the first place.
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I sort of think that Leorio is oversimplified in this scene. There are a lot of occasions where he just repeats what the previous person said. He's more of an idiot. The line in which he says "So you two tricked me?!" is an example--um, duh.

Also: Sommy swings from trees like a monkey in the manga/2011 series. He doesn't in the 1999 series.
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Uriel
February 01, 2012, 12:09 AM
Here you have your post buffer. As always, incredible. Kinda interesting how everyone who said about the "less blood and mature content" can SEE that it's bloodier indeed :P

Popo
February 01, 2012, 01:32 AM
Chapter 26 opens with Tonpa having been tied up. He gets his just desserts. In the 1999 series, he and Sommy are hung from a tree almost like they're being lynched. But this isn't the last we've seen of him in the arc (in the 1999 series).
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In the manga, Kurapika and Leorio chase Sommy down and hold him up using their weapons; it's a robbery. They tie him up and find his badge lodged in a tree. In the 2011 series, Kurapika holds Sommy's monkey hostage. But in the 1999 series...well, um. It's complicated.
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Kurapika goes after Kamuri (the monkey's name in the 1999 series) while Leorio takes on Sommy. "I've got no choice." Kurapika flings a berry at Kamuri and knocks him out of the tree. Kurapika pins him down, placing his hand on the monkey's chest. "I don't want you to trouble me too much, little monkey. Now then, where is that badge?" The camera pans out and the monkey starts screaming in the background for six seconds straight. The screams turn into crying. I wish I was joking.
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Leorio then takes on Sommy. He throws a fork and somehow hooks Sommy's arm to a tree, then whacks him in the face. Leorio seizes him, and Sommy initially believes that there's still no way that Kamuri will ever reveal the location of the badge. But all of a sudden, the monkey suddenly likes Kurapika better than his owner. A lot better. This scene sort of speaks for itself. Eventually, he sets the monkey free. Coincidentally, Zevil Island just so happens to have the exact same type of monkey living there as Kamuri.
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The above is the type of filler scene that I could never picture happening in the series while reading the manga. Also, the 1999 series often has a different sense of humor than the manga. It's all in the imagery and dialog. For example, this scene:
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Just by having Leorio show his expression, the joke feels significantly different. I'm not a fan of his over-the-top yelling the entire episode in the 1999 series. Also, the 1999 series cuts out this entire next page. The scene with Killua is moved to episode 24 and combined with a later chapter. These scenes are preserved in the 2011 series.
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The 2011 series reveals who is tailing Killua.

Back to the protagonist. He thinks that Hisoka notices him and tenses up, but it's Gozu that Hisoka notices.
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I should probably mention that Gozu is mortally wounded in the 1999 series because Siper, expert sniper, misses Gittarackur and hits Gozu instead--even though the two are standing completely still.
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Gozu and Hisoka start to fight. The 1999 series removes Gon's line: "Here's my chance...Right when Hisoka goes to finish off his prey!" The second sentence was used verbatim literally two chapters ago, when cute li'l Gon catches a bird with his fishing rod. Think about how different this feels from when the Gon is catching birds hunting fish. Despite how cute the prior scenes were, Gon is essentially allowing murder to take place in order to win. This is an intentional parallel.
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After Hisoka explains the extent of Gozu's wounds, Gozu's lines in the 1999 series are completely different from the manga/2011 series. He gives a monologue about his warrior clan in it.

Hisoka (1999): "Someone has already dealt you a fatal wound, yes? Since this is pointless, you should stop."
Gozu (1999): "Though that may be, I still must fight!! For the honor of the Bianu Warrior."
Hisoka (1999): "What's that?"
Gozu (1999): "I am one of the mighty Warrior of Bianu mercenaries. Wherever there is a fight, you will find us right in the thick of it. Any one of us is worth a thousand men! Our role is to slash through the enemy. We have the full honor of being the best in any battlefield. And ever since the Exam started, I've been feeling this way...I want to have a battle with you, you wretch! Please, allow me to fulfill my wish before my life comes to its end! So please...please fight me!!"
Hisoka (1999): "Well you know...I have no interest in corpses. You're already dead. It's in your eyes."

The manga and 2011 series are essentially the exact same thing.

Hisoka (Manga/2011): "Someone has already dealt you a fatal wound, yes? Though I do understand your desire to die in battle."
Gozu (Manga/2011): "You wretch... If you understand this so well, then why do you still refuse to fight me?!?!"
Hisoka (Manga/2011): "Well you know...I have no interest in corpses. You're already dead. It's in your eyes."
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Gozu in the 1999 series duels Hisoka because he has always wanted to since the beginning of the exam. Gozu in the 2011 series/manga challenges Hisoka because he literally has a death wish--he's committing suicide. In a last ditch effort, Gozu charges towards Hisoka, and...
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The 2011 series keeps in the idea that Gittarackur uses needles with differently sized handles. Gittarackur's transformation snaps and cracks in the manga/1999 series. His transformation still snaps in the 2011 version, but the sequence is more fluid and quiet.
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キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━!!!!!

Did anyone else notice that Gittarackur's clothing almost immediately changes in the 2011 series? He loses his sleeves (and nails) somehow. That outfit is more consistent with the one he wears in his next appearance, but still. Maybe the sleeves are just rolled up.
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End of part 2.

mrsticky005
February 01, 2012, 02:28 AM
Gittarucker didn't lose his nails. He's just holding the needles differently

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One thing I really enjoy in the 2011 series is when Kyu gets poisoned by Pokkle's arrow and Gon gets poisoned by Geretta's dart.
I like how you can see the effect of the poison causing Kyu's body to twitch even before Kyu himself realizes he's been poisoned.
In the 1999 series is more like he had a sudden heart attack or something. I also really like when Gon gets poisoned because
there's that moment of sudden sharp pain (or something like that.) which the 1999 series does well too. But the 2011 series
does better with the part after in which Gon goes into paralysis. The 1999 series just sorta seemed like Gon was fatigued
whereas the 2011 series made it look more like Gon was losing control of his motor functions which to me seems more like what a poison would do.

Anyone else excited for Gon vs Hanzo.

I think the 1999 series did very well on it. But can the 2011 series top it? I'm hoping it does.

Salce
February 01, 2012, 01:20 PM
Can anybody translate this page?

http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/36171805/21

Is there any new information about the anime? New opening and ending, end of Hunter Exam date, or something...

mrsticky005
February 01, 2012, 02:24 PM
Can anybody translate this page?

http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/36171805/21

Is there any new information about the anime? New opening and ending, end of Hunter Exam date, or something...


Well the Final Exam is coming up soon...

I wonder if this means we'll see the fights?

Popo
February 01, 2012, 02:27 PM
Can anybody translate this page?

http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/36171805/21

Is there any new information about the anime? New opening and ending, end of Hunter Exam date, or something...
It's just Hisoka talking about the Final Phase of the Hunter Exam and giving his thoughts on some of the final contenders. The entire thing is written in his voice.

Salce
February 01, 2012, 02:39 PM
Ok. Thanks Popo ^^

By the way, watching the comparison, I really prefer Madhouse's desing of Hisoka. Nippon Animation improved the desing in later arcs, but in the Hunter exam it was pretty bad.

Illumi instead was better drawn in the old anime. I don't mind about the green outfit, but I don't like tha pads. And the face looks weird in Madhouse's anime.


Gittarucker didn't lose his nails. He's just holding the needles differently
He doesn't have his nails in this pic:
http://i.imgur.com/RNICe.jpg

mrsticky005
February 04, 2012, 04:03 AM
Ok. Thanks Popo ^^

By the way, watching the comparison, I really prefer Madhouse's desing of Hisoka. Nippon Animation improved the desing in later arcs, but in the Hunter exam it was pretty bad.

Illumi instead was better drawn in the old anime. I don't mind about the green outfit, but I don't like tha pads. And the face looks weird in Madhouse's anime.


He doesn't have his nails in this pic:
http://i.imgur.com/RNICe.jpg


i see though they'll probably give him nails later when it focuses more on him.


Anyone else like Hanzo's new ninja soundtrack?

Supposedly the first ost is out but I can't find any where to view it.

Beans
February 04, 2012, 08:44 AM
Ok. Thanks Popo ^^

By the way, watching the comparison, I really prefer Madhouse's desing of Hisoka. Nippon Animation improved the desing in later arcs, but in the Hunter exam it was pretty bad.

Illumi instead was better drawn in the old anime. I don't mind about the green outfit, but I don't like tha pads. And the face looks weird in Madhouse's anime.


He doesn't have his nails in this pic:
http://i.imgur.com/RNICe.jpg

I think that the nails are part of his disguise.

thatguy3331
February 05, 2012, 12:57 AM
This week, was pretty good, My only gripe is the music they used after gon got the potion. I know he accomplished something and all, but abit more 'dun- da dun dun dun!" -ish type music would have been more appropriate for WHILE he was searching for the antidote. The music isn't bad but its not being used right!

Well I kinda liked how the interviews went, if anyone can get of picture of killer killua when Hisoka mentioned him it'd be appreciated. I think the best part of the ep was gon and Kurapika's conversation at the end, which was nicly animated and lighted. but really thats it. This week deserves a solid 8 in my book.

However looking at the preview, it looks like we'll get some good stuff! Gon vs. Hanzo time, and judging from what the preview showed us, it looks like the animators are gonna go in deep for this!

needless to say my hopes are high for next week.:^_^

EDIT:

Also; who laughed at the end of netero's interview with Hisoka when he just brushed off his threat? XD

Netero
February 05, 2012, 01:40 AM
This week, was pretty good, My only gripe is the music they used after gon got the potion. I know he accomplished something and all, but abit more 'dun- da dun dun dun!" -ish type music would have been more appropriate for WHILE he was searching for the antidote. The music isn't bad but its not being used right!

Well I kinda liked how the interviews went, if anyone can get of picture of killer killua when Hisoka mentioned him it'd be appreciated. I think the best part of the ep was gon and Kurapika's conversation at the end, which was nicly animated and lighted. but really thats it. This week deserves a solid 8 in my book.

However looking at the preview, it looks like we'll get some good stuff! Gon vs. Hanzo time, and judging from what the preview showed us, it looks like the animators are gonna go in deep for this!

needless to say my hopes are high for next week.:^_^

EDIT:

Also; who laughed at the end of netero's interview with Hisoka when he just brushed off his threat? XD
http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/c2920d6fbab0c8de6ff950489e5d0e3e1328423622_full.png

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Nice! episode this week. I really enjoyed the little conversation between Gon and Kurapika. Netero's interview with Hisoka was amusing, especially when Hisoka was like "the one I really wan't to fight is you" and Netero just sitting there ignoring him lol. Now next week, we're finally going to see the first real fight of the series Gon vs Hanzo! :spaz

Noonealive
February 05, 2012, 01:53 AM
Yeah i think the situation when Gon went to grab the antidote wasn't to bad i liked it. The lighting in the cave and the contrast was good. I think madhouse is doing a good job. Gon and Kurapika conversation did seal the deal at the end of the show. Next week episode is gonna be enjoyable.

Uriel
February 05, 2012, 10:29 AM
I enjoyed this episode week. Damn Netero is way too awesome xD I can't believe we're already finishing the exam! Good days to come!

And I enjoy Ponzu character here more than the original version. She's not lame and act more as a Hunter.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyxcjuejj31r84epao1_400.gif
Too bad She dies. I wonder if she became a Queen Bee :O

As a additional note I must say that they did an excellent work with the light in the cave. Really well handled.

Someone remembers who was the ones hunted?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lywpm3XuJ41qc82tao6_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1328542009&Signature=bIssj5M%2BA5wTtHs8F3GPIbZ9Gkc%3D
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lywpm3XuJ41qc82tao4_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1328542008&Signature=NSMZ%2FzsppPmJkK8qFvy7avcDQSY%3D
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lywpm3XuJ41qc82tao2_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1328542072&Signature=mYpLZpEU5lqvKW4zuN8s5tL58t8%3D
I just can't remember who were the owners of those tags.

Beans
February 05, 2012, 11:02 AM
http://im13.gulfup.com/2012-02-05/1328458264981.jpg

MegamanX195
February 05, 2012, 11:05 AM
Nice episode, but it only made me much more eager for next week's episode.

Uriel
February 05, 2012, 12:14 PM
Number 34 got my attention. Now I wonder if Togashi will use any of these characters again.

hunted
February 05, 2012, 03:13 PM
nice ep increasing in performance lvl ...
but the moment which gon cry and looking for the medicine is better
in the old version

Popo
February 08, 2012, 03:17 PM
Here's a comprehensive comparison of episode 16. I might do one for episode 17 tonight.


Episode 16 covers material from chapters 27 and 28 of the manga and corresponds to episode 23 in the 1999 series.

Hisoka has a line change in the first scene in the 1999 series.

Hisoka (Manga/2011 series): Oh, it's those two? Fun. <3
Hisoka (1999): So it's those two? (Hisoka chuckles) It's a pity and waste, but...

The latter implies that he plans on killing Leorio and Kurapika, whereas the former leaves his intentions unknown.

Hisoka runs in a really strange way in the 1999 series--he doesn't in the manga/2011 series. The animation during this scene in the 1999 series is pretty good, which is surprising because the end of the episode doesn't look too special. There's a short segment in which you can see Geretta following Gon. It's easy to miss, but a really great touch.
http://i.imgur.com/RsTH8.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/qEo0h.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/rxKkb.jpg

When choosing to follow Hisoka, Gon in the manga already knows whom Hisoka is targeting. In the 1999 series, he doesn't find out until after Hisoka has already stopped. He never considers whether or not it would be better to steal Hisoka's badge if he attacks Kurapika and Leorio. The difference is in the fact that Gon in both the manga and 2011 series makes a conscious decision at first to stick with his plan, despite knowing what it might mean for Kurapika and Leorio. Gon's dialogue is almost the exact same as it is in the manga in the 2011 series, though there's a short scene added that has Gon spot Leorio and Kurapika from the same rock upon which Hisoka just stood.
http://i.imgur.com/FgNPG.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/M09gN.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/x1puQ.jpg

Gon (1999): "He's on the move! He must've found his target! This is my chance! Stick to the plan and when Hisoka attacks, go for his badge! That'll be the only chance I'll get to steal it!"
Gon (2011): "Hisoka must have found someone to prey upon...(Gon goes atop the rock Hisoka once stood) Leorio! Kurapika! (Gon starts following after Hisoka) I didn't expect him to go after Leorio and Kurapika! What do I do?! ... Don't stop!! Stick to the plan and when Hisoka attacks, go for his badge! That'll be the only chance I'll get to steal it!"

The 1999 series largely adapts the negotiation between Kurapika and Hisoka as it is in the manga. The 2011 series slightly alters the wording of a few lines and cuts out Hisoka's line: "Too bad. You're not my target." The 1999 series changes Kurapika and Leorio's weapons. Leorio has the Japanese blade that he's been using throughout the 1999 series, and Kurapika's wooden swords are changed into katana blades. I think Leorio looks really cool in this scene in the manga. I like his expression.
http://i.imgur.com/ILAic.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/7J1jO.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/laRki.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Jt947.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/lJ5DJ.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/uxVa9.jpg

I don't think either adaptation gets Hisoka's vogue pose down. Hisoka's eyes glow yellow in the 1999 series during this scene.
http://i.imgur.com/99lfN.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/SJV8J.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/7LNkJ.jpg

Bloodlust.
http://i.imgur.com/vOUwW.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/LOcE6.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/FkYtR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JrChT.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/ntfp4.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/pibRa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wEpKS.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/FjKp8.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/eSUHl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0WdiZ.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/2jkhz.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/QpKaj.jpg

I think that Madhouse did a great job of making this scene actually sort of creepy. Despite not copying the images exactly, I think the tone was set in the artistry and music. The 1999 series has Hisoka do this strange laugh as he has that menacing air around him. His bloodlust physically affects him much more than it does in the manga, as he claws at his arms and tries to contain (http://i.imgur.com/OEH5u.jpg) whatever is inside of him. The 1999 series also gives him a pretty visible erection during this scene (http://i.imgur.com/IklLd.jpg).

When Hisoka says "I'm not planning on moving from here for quite a while" to Kurapika and Leorio, he actually means it in the manga/2011 series. He stays in the same position until morning. The 1999 series keeps the scene at night in order to set a scarier tone, as well as associates this funky red crescent moon motif with Hisoka. The manga and 2011 series do this. Also, Hisoka has dark rings around his eyes from his sleepless night in the manga/2011 series.
http://i.imgur.com/3HvIV.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/BMYMW.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/ilt0g.jpg

Gon climbs a tree and locates Hisoka's next target: Agon. The 2011 series has a filler scene in which Gon silences his presence again. I found this to be a bit overkill in its direction (it's directed in a way that is definitely intended to appeal to fans of the manga and people who realize what Gon is doing in the scene), but it also kind of works (?) in terms of the story since that was part of Gon's plan to begin with.
http://i.imgur.com/nGBDR.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/RAfnI.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/LeLhR.jpg

Hisoka attacks Agon. The 1999 series reuses the exact same image of Hisoka running 8 times instead of making him move like in the manga.
http://i.imgur.com/dDYqn.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/poUP8.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/XV9Ck.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bh2pP.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/uUyMV.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/F72lH.jpg

The 2011 series emphasizes Gon's good eyesight in the same way that the manga does.
http://i.imgur.com/wDMy1.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/4yUXb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DFWpR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gG0Lc.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/vNsmu.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/UZaea.jpg

When Agon is killed, there's blood in the manga/2011 series. Hisoka's expression in the 2011 series after discovering Gon is more like his expression in the manga--a mix between severe fascination and delight.
http://i.imgur.com/286Ux.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/pkKKA.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/hYVOp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ububr.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/wvQWF.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/HIo4Y.jpg

Geretta is portrayed as a heartless villain in the 1999 series when taking Gon's badge. His eyes are drawn to look more fierce and villainous (http://i.imgur.com/iEF9x.jpg) than they are in the manga. The voice actor's intonation makes it sound like Geretta is sneering at Gon when he tells him his faults. In the manga and 2011 series, it is intended as a lesson to the boy.
http://i.imgur.com/5t85Q.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/1Tavj.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/cxzEw.jpg

When Geretta removes the dart on the back of Gon's neck, he puts it into his pocket the 1999 series--implying that he needed it back. But in the 2011 series, he tosses it! It implies, like in the manga, he removes it out of mercy--he's showing compassion to Gon.
http://i.imgur.com/rTnEY.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/cB7fR.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/M9H4K.jpg

I really like how the 2011 series subtly mimics Gon's helplessness by showing the hemotropic butterfly caught inside of a spider's web.
http://i.imgur.com/dalLQ.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/oIYMG.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/XMfXa.jpg

When Geretta dies in the 1999 series, he's given an extra line. The 1999 series implies that he's someone who doesn't care about personal relationships with others. That, despite saving Gon in the filler, he really doesn't care because it's just not who he is.
http://i.imgur.com/u1dma.jpg
Geretta (1999): "But what an impressive little brat! He lost his first chance by not being able to let go of his friends, but he got over that naive sentiment fast."

Hisoka appears. The tone of this scene is different between versions. It's very macabre in the manga because he enters carrying a severed head. In the 1999 series, he's wearing Geretta's hat--it's intended to be cute. In the 2011 series, he carries the corpse, which has a similar effect to a severed head. Visible death.
http://i.imgur.com/1TfQR.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/gxEBr.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/mzURk.jpg

Hisoka typically closes his eyes and smiles in a friendly way when speaking with Gon, which contrasts with the fact that there's a severed head/dead body in their midst. That entire scene has an unsettling tone marked with a slight perversion, mostly because of how nice Hisoka is seemingly being to Gon. The 1999 series hasn't been too good at matching Hisoka's interactions with Gon.
http://i.imgur.com/KkqDQ.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/8bhGA.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/YRgnh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FuTdw.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/hT0Tn.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/kWaCo.jpg

Furuhashi completely misses the point of Gon standing back up to give Hisoka back his badge. Since the 1999 series largely stressed the importance of Gon stealing Hisoka's badge, that's our protagonist's biggest moment in the 1999 series. But in WSJ, that scene occurred at the beginning of the chapter. The really exciting moment comes from Gon's refusal of Hisoka's badges. If you've noticed, the first time that Gon says a word to Hisoka comes in this episode--when he refuses Hisoka's charity. Prior to this moment, Gon could only drop his jaw in sort of a quiet mix between awe and fear in the manga/2011 series.

But in the 1999 series, Gon directly speaks to Hisoka all the way back into episode 8. It significantly lessens the impact of the first words that Gon says to Hisoka--holding up his badge and refusing it. Moreover, despite it taking ten days for a normal person to recover from Geretta's muscle relaxant, Gon does it in a matter of minutes/hours. The valiance of Gon's actions are deemphasized in order to make Hisoka seem creepier in the 1999 version.
http://i.imgur.com/tEASP.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/TTLjM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HYfu7.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/TZypA.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/obyig.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/za1lS.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/lC94J.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/jtSSO.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/otRNY.jpg

I'm extremely interested in moments in the series in which Togashi has a character say something poignant but doesn't show their expression. These moments are to be emphasized. The 1999 series completely missed the mark on this scene by overtly showing Hisoka's gaze--I don't think the scene in the 1999 series is as terrifying as it is in the manga/2011 series because it's so direct.

What the 1999 series often lacks in its first few arcs is the subtlety Togashi threw in. Surprisingly enough, this scene is reanimated in episode 41 and redrawn to match Togashi's style more.

Gon and Hisoka's relationship is an extremely messed up situation. Think about the pact that Hisoka makes with Gon.


Hisoka: "Right now, I'm letting you live. And I'll continue to keep you alive...until you've grown enough to become worth killing."

Gon hears that in its entirety. Think about his future interactions with Hisoka--Gon knows his intentions. The emphasis placed on the line in the 1999 series makes him sound creepy instead of perverse. I like how the 2011 series shows us Gon's reaction to Hisoka's line. The 1999 series has him wearing the same exact expression he did when he first tried to give Hisoka the badge.
http://i.imgur.com/LGk7j.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/Sz25R.jpg

Gon is sent flying. This part was reanimated in episode 41 of the 1999 series as well.
http://i.imgur.com/pKUmU.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/acek9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bXgHr.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/EG6Yp.jpg

And finally, the ending.
http://i.imgur.com/5Pg6K.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/2cnwq.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/dBcz0.jpg

Furuhashi's direction in the 1999 series is more about Gon overcoming his fear of Hisoka by stealing his badge. Remember Gon's initial interaction with Hisoka (in the Milsy Wetlands) and how he couldn't decide whether or not he was frightened or excited? In the 1999 series, fear wins out. This isn't the case in the manga. Look at those eyes.

Furuhashi is more concerned with the ideas about how Gon survived and how this event affected/traumatized him. The entire first half of the next episode is devoted to this, and it's painful. He tries to fill in the blanks that Togashi purposefully leaves open, which I find to be a huge mistake. I'll talk about the filler in a later post, but below are some thoughts I had while watching the episodes.
http://i.imgur.com/isI34.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/VkB0f.jpg

Some of Gon's biggest moments come very quietly. They're usually subdued or left for the reader to ponder. And because of his introversion--this need for him to always quietly observe to himself instead of expressing it to his friends likely developed from having none as a child. His friends only realize once it becomes egregious or reckless, but his anger is trouble.

The 1999 series' version, though subdued for the genre, was still very loud. We experience everything that Gon feels--his sorrow, his fatigue, his anguish, and specifically how he feels he failed. This episode is directed very well, but there are a few issues in Gon's characterization (in contrast to the manga, anyways). Gon deals with his emotions silently, which is a fault. Typically, it's only when he's angered (or very moved) when he lets them out.

I started realizing something troubling after watching these few episodes a few times. Gon is a mary-sue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue) in the 1999 series. He is literally flawless. His only visible flaw (if you can call it that) in the 1999 series is that he's younger than everyone else around him. Any time he does something wrong, it's assuaged by the fact that he's a child. His flaws are overlooked due to his age, which isn't something Togashi wants the viewer to do because the story is a coming-of-age tale. It wipes away his responsibility. And worst of all, he becomes less interesting as a character is a result. I don't think that it's much of a surprise that he doesn't feel like the main character in much of the 1999 series.

heron bpv
February 08, 2012, 03:42 PM
Thank you for the post Popo. Pretty neat all of your comparisons so far =]

Beans
February 08, 2012, 04:36 PM
Thank you Popo for this amazing comparison.

Salce
February 08, 2012, 06:02 PM
Thank you Toto, great comparison. This version is really better than the previous one.

I already knew your reasons, because I read you in Narutoforums, but for somebody who only reads your comparisons, this more detailed version allows him to know why you say what you say.

Diivil
February 08, 2012, 06:21 PM
Thank you Popo for this amazing comparison.

Noonealive
February 08, 2012, 07:49 PM
Yeah thx for the comparison Popo. I also like how you summarized at the end of how Gon's character was portrayed in the 1999 series. I surely do feel that in the new series Gon is truly a different character.

steadynco
February 09, 2012, 06:58 AM
Very nice anime so far. My main complaint is with the choice of music/themes, I don't feel like some of them are appropriate.

I'm surprised that Kaito hasn't been mentioned yet.

Maybe they'll include the flashback when Gon and Killua meet him at the end of GI.

rosco12
February 09, 2012, 08:40 AM
I think Kaito hasn't been in it, because that would be tricky to get a voice actor accepting the weird condition he would be getting:
- we'll use your voice for a few minutes in the first episode
- then we don't need you until round episode 50
- we have 48 episode ordered, if it's not a success we won't make more so we won't need you
- but if it's a success we'll need you so you'll have to be available because we don't want to have 2 different voice actor for the same character

I don't think you could easily find someone to accept such condition. So, they choose not to show Kaito and if they get to show the ants arc, they'll find an actor then.

Crude
February 09, 2012, 03:14 PM
They could always use a voice actor they've already got though.

BlackListHunter
February 09, 2012, 05:49 PM
I think Kaito hasn't been in it, because that would be tricky to get a voice actor accepting the weird condition he would be getting:
- we'll use your voice for a few minutes in the first episode
- then we don't need you until round episode 50
- we have 48 episode ordered, if it's not a success we won't make more so we won't need you
- but if it's a success we'll need you so you'll have to be available because we don't want to have 2 different voice actor for the same character

I don't think you could easily find someone to accept such condition. So, they choose not to show Kaito and if they get to show the ants arc, they'll find an actor then.

what do you think this is, drugs kartel?
there are thousands of japanese people dreaming to be a voice actor. doesnt matter how small the roll is.

Beans
February 10, 2012, 03:16 PM
what do you think this is, drugs kartel?
there are thousands of japanese people dreaming to be a voice actor. doesnt matter how small the roll is.

I think they wanted a good voice actor for an important character like Kaito, and they couldn't find any.

---------- Post added February 10, 2012 at 02:16 PM ---------- Previous post was February 09, 2012 at 05:21 PM ----------

Hisoka's Theme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=900AzBnnhjU&feature=player_embedded

mrsticky005
February 11, 2012, 06:21 AM
Just so you guys know the OST is out on Naruto Forums HxH section

Unless of course it was removed which last time I checked it hasn't.

Also...can't wait for this next episode!!

Beans
February 11, 2012, 08:16 AM
If you wanna download the full OST, here are some links :

MeadiFire
http://www.mediafire.com/?yn6yzt58wunlasy
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uploaded.to
http://uploaded.to/file/grrrmw0c
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FileBox
http://www.filebox.com/mghgf3hoof0b
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FILEVELOCITY
http://filevelocity.com/5f1g96odsddz/HUNTER_x_HUNTER_Original_Soundtrack.zip

MegamanX195
February 11, 2012, 08:58 AM
About Kaito, I think the flashback will happen when...

Gon talks to Satotsu after the Hanzo fight.

Divinenega
February 11, 2012, 02:29 PM
I;m listening to the OST right now and I;m curious...where where half these songs in the show? I know that some of the ones not used in the show yet are a bit more subdued but one of the most common complaint I;ve heard about the soundtrack is the lack of variety...

Netero
February 11, 2012, 02:52 PM
I downloaded the soundtrack yesterday, and I think it's pretty good.

Uriel
February 11, 2012, 06:18 PM
I'm not sure If I should allow those links. Hmmm. Could you edit your post? Ask him by PM, please.

thatguy3331
February 12, 2012, 12:23 AM
This week... was ok... but I kinda found it annoying they didnt show hanzo acctuall hitting him or anything. I did find this to be pretty funny near the end though, and now I crave an avi for determined gon ( ew, I felt like hisoka for typing that XD)

Guess the real goods happen next week. 8/10

Anyone know ifthe dvds get uncut or anything? Cause I seriously felt they could have showed the hits gon recived, seing how they didnt at all hide hisoka's punch to Gon.

mrsticky005
February 12, 2012, 12:31 AM
This week... was ok... but I kinda found it annoying they didnt show hanzo acctuall hitting him or anything. I did find this to be pretty funny near the end though, and now I crave an avi for determined gon ( ew, I felt like hisoka for typing that XD)

Guess the real goods happen next week. 8/10

Anyone know ifthe dvds get uncut or anything? Cause I seriously felt they could have showed the hits gon recived, seing how they didnt at all hide hisoka's punch to Gon.


Censorship was mad annoying here.

Of course they didn't show Gon getting hit because it's an adult beating up a kid
but yet as you said they don't mind showing Hisoka punch Gon!

Plus now they got no problem with showing blood. But no physical contact!

Disappointed.

Had this episode not been censored so badly it would have been awesome.

Honestly I would rather the smacking around and the blood be censored.

Noonealive
February 12, 2012, 12:31 AM
This episode was okay 8/10. Yeah i don't understand why they did so many off screen shoots. They should have at least showed a couple of punches connect. After all they showed blood dripping down his head..

Hopefully they don't copy this formula when Gon fights Hisoka.

mrsticky005
February 12, 2012, 12:53 AM
This episode was okay 8/10. Yeah i don't understand why they did so many off screen shoots. They should have at least showed a couple of punches connect. After all they showed blood dripping down his head..

Hopefully they don't copy this formula when Gon fights Hisoka.

I know.

Are they TRYING to get us to drop the series? :gwah

This is the biggest atrocity to the series since Killua didn't crush Jonas heart!

CrimsonChaos
February 12, 2012, 02:53 AM
I think this episode was ok, and I can see why they do not show the attack of Hanzo to Gon.

I guess one of the reason is that it's an adult beating up a kid.

Another ,which i think is a main reason, is that it is also the fact that in the manga we doesn't see it either , I mean...

http://i34.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/33/hunter-x-hunter-323922.jpg
http://i5.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/33/hunter-x-hunter-323924.jpg
http://i11.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/33/hunter-x-hunter-323927.jpg
Right here we doesnt seen what he does to Gon but we reader know it , just like what in the anime does , (however if the uncut DVD can shown this it would be cool)

And even the manga of hanzo "hand breaking" Gon still doesn't show, so how come the anime with 13+ airtime can show?

http://i35.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/34/hunter-x-hunter-323929.jpg

Right now I think the anime did handle the manga pretty consistently, some are not too consistent like killua crushing heart and Hisoka did not drag the head off that guy to Gon, but because this is 13+ airtime show, i can understand it.

The director said that when we reach the Yorkshin city arc the atmosphere will become darker and i wish it is true :D

Since this is my first post i think i can see the episode ending at episode 21 for Hunter Exam Arc

For those who don't want to get spoiled dont read the estimation of episode below [if it was 2 ch. per episode]


Estimation List of episode:
Episode 19 - Vol.4 / ch.33 + ch.34 [Gon Vs Hanzo]
Episode 20 - Vol.4+Vol.5 / ch.34 + ch.35 [Killua Vs Illumi]
Episode 21 - Vol.5 / ch.36+ch.37 [Conclude Hunter Exam Arc]
Episode 22 - Vol.5 / ch.38+ch.39 [ Heading to Killua Mansion]
Episode 23 - Vol.5 / ch.40+ch.41 [Training + Gon Vs. Canary]
Episode 24 - Vol.5 / ch.42+ch.43 [Conclude Zoldyck Family Arc]
**Opening 2 + Ending 2**??
Episode 25 - Vol.5+Vol.6 / ch.44+ch.45 [Heaven Arena Arc + Killua vs Sushi]
Episode 26 - Vol.6 / ch.46+ch.47 [Learning Nen]

Guess that episode 25 will start New Opening and Ending :D perhaps it would introduce Heaven Arena villain people and also silhouette of Yorkshin City Spider *0* and of course Zoldyck Family xD [Zeno and Silver]

Ok that's about it for now ^O^

Netero
February 12, 2012, 03:35 AM
I thought the episode was pretty good this week.

8/10

thatguy3331
February 12, 2012, 04:55 AM
I think this episode was ok, and I can see why they do not show the attack of Hanzo to Gon.

I guess one of the reason is that it's an adult beating up a kid.

Another ,which i think is a main reason, is that it is also the fact that in the manga we doesn't see it either , I mean...

http://i34.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/33/hunter-x-hunter-323922.jpg
http://i5.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/33/hunter-x-hunter-323924.jpg
http://i11.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/33/hunter-x-hunter-323927.jpg
Right here we doesnt seen what he does to Gon but we reader know it , just like what in the anime does , (however if the uncut DVD can shown this it would be cool)

And even the manga of hanzo "hand breaking" Gon still doesn't show, so how come the anime with 13+ airtime can show?

http://i35.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/34/hunter-x-hunter-323929.jpg

Right now I think the anime did handle the manga pretty consistently, some are not too consistent like killua crushing heart and Hisoka did not drag the head off that guy to Gon, but because this is 13+ airtime show, i can understand it.

The director said that when we reach the Yorkshin city arc the atmosphere will become darker and i wish it is true :D

Since this is my first post i think i can see the episode ending at episode 21 for Hunter Exam Arc

For those who don't want to get spoiled dont read the estimation of episode below [if it was 2 ch. per episode]


Estimation List of episode:
Episode 19 - Vol.4 / ch.33 + ch.34 [Gon Vs Hanzo]
Episode 20 - Vol.4+Vol.5 / ch.34 + ch.35 [Killua Vs Illumi]
Episode 21 - Vol.5 / ch.36+ch.37 [Conclude Hunter Exam Arc]
Episode 22 - Vol.5 / ch.38+ch.39 [ Heading to Killua Mansion]
Episode 23 - Vol.5 / ch.40+ch.41 [Training + Gon Vs. Canary]
Episode 24 - Vol.5 / ch.42+ch.43 [Conclude Zoldyck Family Arc]
**Opening 2 + Ending 2**??
Episode 25 - Vol.5+Vol.6 / ch.44+ch.45 [Heaven Arena Arc + Killua vs Sushi]
Episode 26 - Vol.6 / ch.46+ch.47 [Learning Nen]

Guess that episode 25 will start New Opening and Ending :D perhaps it would introduce Heaven Arena villain people and also silhouette of Yorkshin City Spider *0* and of course Zoldyck Family xD [Zeno and Silver]

Ok that's about it for now ^O^

Oh, really? Wow, guess I forgot ^_^; thanks for the clarification though, it got a bad taste outta my mouth! :)

Also I still like the way madhouse handled killuas scene so that wasn't a good comparison for me XD

mrsticky005
February 12, 2012, 06:41 AM
Actually the manga DOES show Hanzo beating up Gon. You just have to know how
to read a manga and more specifically action in a panel. Allow me to explain.

Take the first panel with Hanzo holding his hand out and Gon's head tilted sideways.
This panel shows Hanzo smacking Gon upside the head. We can tell that's what's
going on because of the speed lines on Hanzo's hand and the sound effect as well
as the action effect bubble. The speed lines indicate that Hanzo's hand was moving.
The sound effect and action bubble show that Hanzo's hand made physical contact
with something and since the sound effect is "clak" you know it made a loud noise
and thus would be no pansy slap. We know it was the side of Gon's head that
he hit because of how Gon's head is positioned sideways and how Hanzo's hand
is past Gon's head indicating that his hand traveled from one side to another
while smacking's Gon's head in the process. The blank stare on Gon's face shows
and especially the next panel show us the effect of being smacked by Hanzo.

Although a lot is indeed off panel what would have been shown was censored.

We can only hope they don't treat Gon vs Hisoka the same

ZonikStrike
February 12, 2012, 07:47 AM
Take the first panel with Hanzo holding his hand out and Gon's head tilted sideways.
This panel shows Hanzo smacking Gon upside the head. We can tell that's what's
going on because of the speed lines on Hanzo's hand and the sound effect as well
as the action effect bubble. The speed lines indicate that Hanzo's hand was moving.
The sound effect and action bubble show that Hanzo's hand made physical contact
with something and since the sound effect is "clak" you know it made a loud noise
and thus would be no pansy slap. We know it was the side of Gon's head that
he hit because of how Gon's head is positioned sideways and how Hanzo's hand
is past Gon's head indicating that his hand traveled from one side to another
while smacking's Gon's head in the process. The blank stare on Gon's face shows
and especially the next panel show us the effect of being smacked by Hanzo.

Thx cap. He was talking about the next panels, where we can see beating sfx and then Gon lying beaten up. The manga indeed didn't show much of a beating.

I loved the episode. 9.5/10. The new anime so far is much better.
Btw, I think the pace will be speeding up. The York Shin and the Green Island arcs were 3 chapter per episode in the 1999 anime + OVA. I think they won't be dropping the pace now. So we can hope for Chimera Ant arc starting about 75-80 episode ^^

P.S. Sorry for my bad English =)

Beans
February 12, 2012, 07:50 AM
This episode was awesome, btw I think they didn't show Hanzo's attacks because of the airtime, they may show it in the uncut DVDs

Uriel
February 12, 2012, 08:07 AM
I was expecting more movement but then I remembered how much Hanzo outdid Gon in every sense. I liked this episode, you could FEEL empathy for Gon.

Host Samurai
February 12, 2012, 08:17 AM
I couldn't enjoy this weeks episode to the fullest due to censorship. And the music was off most of the time. I just hope that Gon vs Hisoka won't be censored that much, because that's where I fell in love with this manga due to the adaption of the old anime.

Uriel
February 12, 2012, 08:25 AM
No gifs, but this picture may be worth avatar making.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz9o5s0m0n1qgr795o1_1280.png?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1329138706&Signature=XEnCKlDKMQ6avzozO4Ug2cG%2FW3M%3D

mrsticky005
February 12, 2012, 08:44 AM
Thx cap. He was talking about the next panels, where we can see beating sfx and then Gon lying beaten up. The manga indeed didn't show much of a beating.

I loved the episode. 9.5/10. The new anime so far is much better.
Btw, I think the pace will be speeding up. The York Shin and the Green Island arcs were 3 chapter per episode in the 1999 anime + OVA. I think they won't be dropping the pace now. So we can hope for Chimera Ant arc starting about 75-80 episode ^^

P.S. Sorry for my bad English =)

Yeah, I know those panels are implied and I don't mind those weren't shown.

But there are at least two panels where Hanzo smacks Gon and I was
looking forward to those. I don't think either this or the 1999 series
does it justice. We don't see the smack here and in the 1999 it
looks like a pansy slap if not for the sound effect and Gon's reaction.

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I couldn't enjoy this weeks episode to the fullest due to censorship. And the music was off most of the time. I just hope that Gon vs Hisoka won't be censored that much, because that's where I fell in love with this manga due to the adaption of the old anime.

I was worried about that too. But then thinking about it...Isn't it mostly Gon that hits Hisoka and then Hisoka lands a few good hits on Gon?

ZonikStrike
February 12, 2012, 10:39 AM
But there are at least two panels where Hanzo smacks Gon and I was
looking forward to those. I don't think either this or the 1999 series
does it justice. We don't see the smack here and in the 1999 it
looks like a pansy slap if not for the sound effect and Gon's reaction.
Huh? Are you talking about the first panels in this page? http://i34.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/33/hunter-x-hunter-323922.jpg
They showed the hit. Well, it was kinda gentle, but I don't think that was a censorship issue. http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2378/hitto.png
Anime didn't miss a bit. Manga had few hits as well.

CrimsonChaos
February 12, 2012, 11:16 AM
But there are at least two panels where Hanzo smacks Gon and I was
looking forward to those. I don't think either this or the 1999 series
does it justice. We don't see the smack here and in the 1999 it
looks like a pansy slap if not for the sound effect and Gon's reaction.

I don't know u watch the Hunter episode 19 version that I'm watching or not because if u mean smack in the head [ one of the panel], it does show on 10:00, but as u may see it not "super" smack just a push smack techniques on Gon's head that crack Gon's head *0* [If anyone have a Gif for this it would be cool to see in motion]

And another panel that u said was the pushing panels and heading to an arm breaker , The 2011 anime just change into a "kick to leg" drop which I think it's not much of a differences in this one really :S

I think the First attack that Hanzo did to Gon was really cool, a smack to the neck , If anyone have that Gif, i would be appreciate xD



I was worried about that too. But then thinking about it...Isn't it mostly Gon that hits Hisoka and then Hisoka lands a few good hits on Gon?

For those of you who was worried about how bad the censorship will be or Is the fight that u are waiting for going to be that good , I can say that one of the first cruel, bloody fight would be at Chapter 53+54.

It is when Hisoka vs "You know who" [before Gon fight] :D , I wonder how the anime going to handled that scene(will the anime be consistent? or willl they change the attack pattern? and how about the outcome?) xD and I think it's going to be the first scene toward darkness of the atmosphere *0*

Ps. If that episode is really impressed or acceptable , I think the rest after that should not be that disappointing xD perhaps we will see it at Episode 29 *0* 10 episode countdown ^O^

Uriel
February 12, 2012, 11:40 AM
I couldn't resist to make a poll. I think we're at the point of making somewhat our minds.

Crude
February 12, 2012, 11:52 AM
I was a little disappointed with this episode. On the one hand it was faithful to the manga, minus the censoring which to be honest I didn't really notice (well the arm breaking scene might have tipped me off). On the other hand the fight wasn't nearly as epic as the one in the old anime. Yeah the fight in the old anime was pretty over the top, but it was also one of the greatest scenes in the anime. The animation was great and the added filler made the fight all the more awesome. I love it when studios add a little more to fights, like Studio Pierrot did with the Shikamaru vs Hidan fight in Naruto Shippuuden. Anyway, this was in no way a bad episode, it simply just wasn't as awesome and epic a fight as the one in the old anime.

I've got two screen captions of determined Gon here if anyone wants them. They're basically the same image with only slight differences (in the anime it was one image panning upwards):


http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7592/gonp.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/gonp.png/)


http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1439/gon2.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/gon2.png/)

Pokymonn
February 12, 2012, 04:00 PM
Unmistaken they were when they said the tongue was boneless. The majority of people who expressed their opinions on today's episode nagged when material was skipped, but now when they receive what they have been waiting for - that particular flawlessly adapted episode, they are still unsatisfied. Do me the favour, you user, of comparing the manga with the anime before commenting here, because you embarass yourself, act ignorant and create a chain reaction of stupidity.

Noonealive
February 12, 2012, 04:55 PM
Unmistaken they were when they said the tongue was boneless. The majority of people who expressed their opinions on today's episode nagged when material was skipped, but now when they receive what they have been waiting for - that particular flawlessly adapted episode, they are still unsatisfied. Do me the favour, you user, of comparing the manga with the anime before commenting here, because you embarass yourself, act ignorant and create a chain reaction of stupidity.

Yeah in a persons eye's who hasn't seen anything but the new version seem to enjoy it. It's just the fact that people who watch the older one makes them want to do comparisons. I like how the series has been adapted, and my friend who's completely new to anime seems to enjoy it as well. We just have to enjoy the series with fresh eyes, and for people who has seen the older one it's pretty hard to do.

heron bpv
February 12, 2012, 06:13 PM
The chapter was really nice. Fit's perfectly with what is in the manga, plus what Uriel said before, about how you really feel empaty for Gon here.
On side note, my first contact with HxH came with the old anime (aired in a public tv channel here, not so long ago), and I watched it at first because I already knew it was one of Trollgashi's work (as a Yu Yu Hakusho fan since I was a child, I couldn't lose the opportunity =]). I really enjoyed it back then, and because of that I started looking for the manga, which ended being one of the most amazing stories I ever read. I believe I'm not the only one around here with a similar experience, which adds to the point that one of the greatest advantages the new anime brings is raising the popularity of the series, which is good for us all. And though of course there where some changes in the new anime, there where changes in the old one as well. Fillers included. So I can't really see the point of people hating this new one for the same reasons they (usually) love the old. So please, keep those in things in mind before making a judgement (and voting, of course ^^).

Host Samurai
February 12, 2012, 06:36 PM
Unmistaken they were when they said the tongue was boneless. The majority of people who expressed their opinions on today's episode nagged when material was skipped, but now when they receive what they have been waiting for - that particular flawlessly adapted episode, they are still unsatisfied. Do me the favour, you user, of comparing the manga with the anime before commenting here, because you embarass yourself, act ignorant and create a chain reaction of stupidity.

Everyone is entitled to express their opinion and when the majority of the people don't like the episode for various reasons then it's they right to do it. And you can't seriously expect from all the users, who "nagged" to do a weekly comparison of the content of the anime with the source material. It's not the users, who proclaimed that this anime adaption will be close to the source material, it's Madhouse. If you still feel annoyed by this then you'll have no choice but to accept their different views about it.


Yeah in a persons eye's who hasn't seen anything but the new version seem to enjoy it. It's just the fact that people who watch the older one makes them want to do comparisons. I like how the series has been adapted, and my friend who's completely new to anime seems to enjoy it as well. We just have to enjoy the series with fresh eyes, and for people who has seen the older one it's pretty hard to do.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Some people don't understand that as long as this new adaption hasn't reached the Chimera Ant Arc. Comparisons between these two adaption will be inevitable. Because many people already enjoyed the older one and didn't feel the need of a complete remake, due to that, they're watching this new adaption with a watchful eye instead of simply enjoying it. And that is the hard thing for us to do due to the Nostalgia of the old anime (I'm talking about my personal experience here).

Noonealive
February 12, 2012, 06:40 PM
The chapter was really nice. Fit's perfectly with what is in the manga, plus what Uriel said before, about how you really feel empaty for Gon here.
On side note, my first contact with HxH came with the old anime (aired in a public tv channel here, not so long ago), and I watched it at first because I already knew it was one of Trollgashi's work (as a Yu Yu Hakusho fan since I was a child, I couldn't lose the opportunity =]). I really enjoyed it back then, and because of that I started looking for the manga, which ended being one of the most amazing stories I ever read. I believe I'm not the only one around here with a similar experience, which adds to the point that one of the greatest advantages the new anime brings is raising the popularity of the series, which is good for us all. And though of course there where some changes in the new anime, there where changes in the old one as well. Fillers included. So I can't really see the point of people hating this new one for the same reasons they (usually) love the old. So please, keep those in things in mind before making a judgement (and voting, of course ^^).

Yes i agree with you totally. To be frank i watched the animated series about 4 years ago and oh my did i enjoy it. It's one of those series that leaves an impression on you. Ever since, Hunter x Hunter has always been in the back of my mind. It's rare to see series being re-made and for that fact I'm glad HxH has come back. No matter the flaws people may think it has, we all should be glad that it's being animated again. As the series progresses I'm positive it'll bring a bigger fan-base. I honestly didn't read the manga up until about a month ago, I seriously couldn't stop reading it even if i wanted to. It's a great manga and the re-make will certainly show it greatness.

Crude
February 12, 2012, 07:33 PM
The chapter was really nice. Fit's perfectly with what is in the manga, plus what Uriel said before, about how you really feel empaty for Gon here.
On side note, my first contact with HxH came with the old anime (aired in a public tv channel here, not so long ago), and I watched it at first because I already knew it was one of Trollgashi's work (as a Yu Yu Hakusho fan since I was a child, I couldn't lose the opportunity =]). I really enjoyed it back then, and because of that I started looking for the manga, which ended being one of the most amazing stories I ever read. I believe I'm not the only one around here with a similar experience, which adds to the point that one of the greatest advantages the new anime brings is raising the popularity of the series, which is good for us all. And though of course there where some changes in the new anime, there where changes in the old one as well. Fillers included. So I can't really see the point of people hating this new one for the same reasons they (usually) love the old. So please, keep those in things in mind before making a judgement (and voting, of course ^^).

I also started out as a fan of Yu Yu Hakusho. I remember browsing a YYH fan site one day and discovering that Togashi had another, newer series. I saw a picture of Gon and was instantly intrigued and that's how I got into HxH, I've been a fan since I was 13 :D. I love both anime adaptations, perhaps the new one more since it made me like the characters a whole lot more. I really like how the new anime stays close to the manga, but at the same time I really like the filler that the old anime added (especially during the Hunter Exam arc).

Pokymonn
February 12, 2012, 07:51 PM
Everyone is entitled to express their opinion and when the majority of the people don't like the episode for various reasons then it's they right to do it..

I value others' opinions and not mistakes. The fact that some users kept blabbering about this episode being censored, despite being almost the coloured version of the manga chapters that were adapted, is wrong in so many ways.
In addition, while the older adaptation did a great job at extending the fight it pictured Hanzo as more of a fool than he actually looked during this match. As a human, I admit that I have felt the emotional impact, but it was overdone with the price of distorting the characters.

btw I am not annoyed, at least on the internet

mrsticky005
February 12, 2012, 08:44 PM
Huh? Are you talking about the first panels in this page? http://i34.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/33/hunter-x-hunter-323922.jpg
They showed the hit. Well, it was kinda gentle, but I don't think that was a censorship issue. http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2378/hitto.png
Anime didn't miss a bit. Manga had few hits as well.


Yes that is what I'm talking about and yes it IS a censorship issue.
Gon would not be in that kind of pain from a gentle slap.
The slap in the manga is clearly violent and forceful.

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I don't know u watch the Hunter episode 19 version that I'm watching or not because if u mean smack in the head [ one of the panel], it does show on 10:00, but as u may see it not "super" smack just a push smack techniques on Gon's head that crack Gon's head *0* [If anyone have a Gif for this it would be cool to see in motion]

And another panel that u said was the pushing panels and heading to an arm breaker , The 2011 anime just change into a "kick to leg" drop which I think it's not much of a differences in this one really :S

I think the First attack that Hanzo did to Gon was really cool, a smack to the neck , If anyone have that Gif, i would be appreciate xD



For those of you who was worried about how bad the censorship will be or Is the fight that u are waiting for going to be that good , I can say that one of the first cruel, bloody fight would be at Chapter 53+54.

It is when Hisoka vs "You know who" [before Gon fight] :D , I wonder how the anime going to handled that scene(will the anime be consistent? or willl they change the attack pattern? and how about the outcome?) xD and I think it's going to be the first scene toward darkness of the atmosphere *0*

Ps. If that episode is really impressed or acceptable , I think the rest after that should not be that disappointing xD perhaps we will see it at Episode 29 *0* 10 episode countdown ^O^


It shows it but uses clever editing to not actually show it. The manga clearly shows a violent slap. However the 2011 anime does not show the actual
slapping and the 1999 had a pansy slap. The scene is not animated as how the manga depicts with it being a quick and yet brutal slap to Gon's ear.

I'm fine with this one. It got the point across.

This one was also alright in how it was shown but the manga does depict it as a quick and yet brutal karate chop to the back of the neck.

I'm not worried about Hisoka vs Kastro.
I'm worried they are going to be too afraid to show Gon getting hit.

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I value others' opinions and not mistakes. The fact that some users kept blabbering about this episode being censored, despite being almost the coloured version of the manga chapters that were adapted, is wrong in so many ways.
In addition, while the older adaptation did a great job at extending the fight it pictured Hanzo as more of a fool than he actually looked during this match. As a human, I admit that I have felt the emotional impact, but it was overdone with the price of distorting the characters.

btw I am not annoyed, at least on the internet

I'm not blabbering. The episode was censored. I explained how the manga shows Hanzo hitting Gon three times.
Now if you wish to argue that it does not then please explain how it does not show Hanzo hitting Gon three times.
Or if you think the episode did show it then explain that. But don't just say the episode wasn't censoring
and those who say it is are blabbering. I compared the manga and the 2011 anime and from what I see
the manga does show three hits while the anime skips them.

Beans
February 12, 2012, 08:54 PM
I don't know about censorship but I remember they had no problem showing this :
http://im17.gulfup.com/2012-02-13/1329098021291.jpg

mrsticky005
February 12, 2012, 08:59 PM
I don't know about censorship but I remember they had no problem showing this :
http://im17.gulfup.com/2012-02-13/1329098021291.jpg

Yes. So why not show Hanzo slapping Gon? Instead of just pushing his head?


I dunno. Perhaps I'm nitpicking here. But I was just looking forward to seeing some real action.

MegamanX195
February 12, 2012, 10:12 PM
I very much enjoyed this episode. Whenever I first watch the episode of the 2011 series alone, I watch it with watchful eyes and hate myself for doing that, instead of simply enjoying it. I enjoy it that way too, but simply watching it for enjoyment is hard when watching it the first time around. When watching it the second time with my friend and my brother, I can actually enjoy it, and that's where my opinion comes from.

It was basically EXACTLY like the manga. The other poster commented on the brutality of the slap, but honestly, I really liked the new anime's slap. It was really smooth, looked like some kind of ninja move. And Gon's head wasn't shaking due to the slap's strenght, it was because of the previous attack strenght. ANYTHING Hanzo did to Gon's head would have made it hurt as hell.

And on the censorship, ironically, it made the anime more like the manga. Showed virtually no direct hits. I just remembered that on the Japanese version of Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker, a torture scene in the Japanese (original) version had to be altered to, instead of showing shock torture, they had "ticking rods" (no joke), and that was a T rated game. Apparently, they have problems with torture and, if you ask me, Hanzo's fight with Gon was nothing short of torture.

9.5/10, if I had to rate it. The only thing which could be improved would be some slightly better use of the music (I think the ninja music should have stopped when Gon pointed the blade to Gon's head), but no big deal. Oh, and the lack of Gon's scream when Hanzo broke his arm, too.

mrsticky005
February 13, 2012, 01:29 AM
I very much enjoyed this episode. Whenever I first watch the episode of the 2011 series alone, I watch it with watchful eyes and hate myself for doing that, instead of simply enjoying it. I enjoy it that way too, but simply watching it for enjoyment is hard when watching it the first time around. When watching it the second time with my friend and my brother, I can actually enjoy it, and that's where my opinion comes from.

It was basically EXACTLY like the manga. The other poster commented on the brutality of the slap, but honestly, I really liked the new anime's slap. It was really smooth, looked like some kind of ninja move. And Gon's head wasn't shaking due to the slap's strenght, it was because of the previous attack strenght. ANYTHING Hanzo did to Gon's head would have made it hurt as hell.

And on the censorship, ironically, it made the anime more like the manga. Showed virtually no direct hits. I just remembered that on the Japanese version of Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker, a torture scene in the Japanese (original) version had to be altered to, instead of showing shock torture, they had "ticking rods" (no joke), and that was a T rated game. Apparently, they have problems with torture and, if you ask me, Hanzo's fight with Gon was nothing short of torture.

9.5/10, if I had to rate it. The only thing which could be improved would be some slightly better use of the music (I think the ninja music should have stopped when Gon pointed the blade to Gon's head), but no big deal. Oh, and the lack of Gon's scream when Hanzo broke his arm, too.

Do please realize that when I say it's censored that I am comparing it to the manga
and not the 1999 series which added stuff. The 2011 series is indeed much closer
to the manga but as I explained it did not animate the three hits. Perhaps this wasn't
actually censorship but just lack of animation. But either way I'm disappointed.

Anywho yes it WAS due to the strength of the slap. I'm not sure if Gon's head was supposed to be shaking but his vision was going awry due to the slap. In the manga
we see Hanzo slap Gon on the ear or at least side of the head. Gon's immediate
response is one of confusion and shock followed quickly by a bit of dizziness.

The reason why Gon is becoming dizzy is because of the slap to the ear.
Of course the karate chop to the back of the neck is sure to have an
effect as well. But the immediate reaction of confusion shock and dizziness
right after the slap to the ear shows how it affected Gon.

Now the reason why Gon becomes dizzy is because your inner ear is
what affects your sense of balance. Hanzo's slap disrupted this
sense of balance by striking Gon's ear or side of head (it doesn't
really matter since it would be close enough to the ear.)
With his sense of balance out of wack Gon would be confused
and due to the violent nature of the slap Gon would be in shock.

I would also give it a 9.5/10 because I would have liked it better if the slap and karate chop were actually animated.

I thought the music was great.

chikkychappy
February 13, 2012, 03:52 AM
i also used to say, "you better watch this anime as if you've never seen it before." but i realized that this is such a low standard to hold on to. that's basically telling me to look at the story & characters more, how this event will lead to the next, what's going to happen next, etc, while the production values become nothing but an afterthought.

but why should that be the standard i should judge the series i already like to begin with? i like hxh and i've been a fan for 10 years, of course i'd enjoy the story! unless the adaptation is even worse than GI Final, then the strength of the story would always shine through despite mediocre direction. this kind of thinking is also giving too much leeway to madhouse, who's milking the shit out of a great series while barely making any effort at making it good.

but in any case, let me just say that madhouse is definitely bringing new people into the series and for that i'm thankful. but again, that has to do more with the good source material. for madhouse's part, they did very little to enhance the viewing experience.


anyway, yeah, episode 19 wasn't good. can't even get the background right. looking at the credits, it was outsourced to koreans too (why oh why? this is the episode that gon becomes a hunter. they should have given this episode more importance!) i hope next ep is better, but that blinding background would still be a distraction.

Pokymonn
February 13, 2012, 05:32 AM
I'm not blabbering. The episode was censored. I explained how the manga shows Hanzo hitting Gon three times.

Interpret those frames the way you want, but for me it seems like a hit shown from different angles. Therefore I'm fully satisfied.

Moreover, in order to criticise your attempts of affirming that this episode was censored, I'd like to point out that even though the direction of that scene was slightly changed, the outcome is more brutal than it may seem at first glance. Believe me that forcefully pushing one's head towards their shoulder is more painful than the way in which Hanzo slapped him in the manga. In order to understand my point, I'd suggest checking the arm movement of Hanzo in the anime which is oriented downards while pushing Gon's head and the way he does it in the manga, where his action resembles a simple and powerful linear hit. Obviously the pain from the action inflicted in the anime will diminish slower, if compared to the same scene in the manga.

mrsticky005
February 13, 2012, 06:14 AM
Interpret those frames the way you want, but for me it seems like a hit shown from different angles. Therefore I'm fully satisfied.

Moreover, in order to criticise your attempts of affirming that this episode was censored, I'd like to point out that even though the direction of that scene was slightly changed, the outcome is more brutal than it may seem at first glance. Believe me that forcefully pushing one's head towards their shoulder is more painful than the way in which Hanzo slapped him in the manga. In order to understand my point, I'd suggest checking the arm movement of Hanzo in the anime which is oriented downards while pushing Gon's head and the way he does it in the manga, where his action resembles a simple and powerful linear hit. Obviously the pain from the action inflicted in the anime will diminish slower, if compared to the same scene in the manga.


Perhaps you are right with the pushing being more painful. I wouldn't know myself.

I was just expecting more animation. But that was probably too much to expect.

Oh well. It was a good episode. Actually I'm liking it more and more now that
I am able to get past the lack of animation at those parts. I still say it
was censored or at least dialed down a notch but it's not as bad as I first thought.

Beans
February 13, 2012, 07:12 AM
I think they animated the hits, but the Chanel that airs the series censored them, just like some wrestling shows.

mrsticky005
February 13, 2012, 07:30 AM
I think they animated the hits, but the Chanel that airs the series censored them, just like some wrestling shows.

they censor wrestling shows?

Beans
February 13, 2012, 07:45 AM
they censor wrestling shows?

yeah, sometimes they do, when a wrestler is about to be hit with a steel chair they don't show the hit but instead they show the crowd, the same way the did in this episode.

mrsticky005
February 13, 2012, 08:09 AM
yeah, sometimes they do, when a wrestler is about to be hit with a steel chair they don't show the hit but instead they show the crowd, the same way the did in this episode.

hm..that's kinda lame in a way. Well not that I watch wrestling anyways. Isn't more about the "story" then the actual wrestling anyways?

MegamanX195
February 13, 2012, 08:14 AM
Interpret those frames the way you want, but for me it seems like a hit shown from different angles. Therefore I'm fully satisfied.

Moreover, in order to criticise your attempts of affirming that this episode was censored, I'd like to point out that even though the direction of that scene was slightly changed, the outcome is more brutal than it may seem at first glance. Believe me that forcefully pushing one's head towards their shoulder is more painful than the way in which Hanzo slapped him in the manga. In order to understand my point, I'd suggest checking the arm movement of Hanzo in the anime which is oriented downards while pushing Gon's head and the way he does it in the manga, where his action resembles a simple and powerful linear hit. Obviously the pain from the action inflicted in the anime will diminish slower, if compared to the same scene in the manga.

I fully agree with all of your points. As I said before, the only things I thought could be improved in the episode was 1) The music could have been slight better used, specifically, the "Hanzo Theme" should have stopped when Hanzo pointed the blade to Gon's head and the tension rised again, and 2) Gon's lack of scream when Hanzo broke Gon's arm. I personally really enjoyed the scream, though I don't remember right now if that was in the original anime or not, but it definitely was in the manga.

Popo
February 13, 2012, 08:46 AM
2) Gon's lack of scream when Hanzo broke Gon's arm. I personally really enjoyed the scream, though I don't remember right now if that was in the original anime or not, but it definitely was in the manga.
Actually, it wasn't. Gon doesn't scream in the manga.



i also used to say, "you better watch this anime as if you've never seen it before." but i realized that this is such a low standard to hold on to. that's basically telling me to look at the story & characters more, how this event will lead to the next, what's going to happen next, etc, while the production values become nothing but an afterthought.

but why should that be the standard i should judge the series i already like to begin with? i like hxh and i've been a fan for 10 years, of course i'd enjoy the story! unless the adaptation is even worse than GI Final, then the strength of the story would always shine through despite mediocre direction. this kind of thinking is also giving too much leeway to madhouse, who's milking the shit out of a great series while barely making any effort at making it good.

but in any case, let me just say that madhouse is definitely bringing new people into the series and for that i'm thankful. but again, that has to do more with the good source material. for madhouse's part, they did very little to enhance the viewing experience.


anyway, yeah, episode 19 wasn't good. can't even get the background right. looking at the credits, it was outsourced to koreans too (why oh why? this is the episode that gon becomes a hunter. they should have given this episode more importance!) i hope next ep is better, but that blinding background would still be a distraction.
I think that it was a fine episode. It does a much better job at adapting the manga with no filler in it. The 1999 series gives Gon ~*the power of friendship*~ and it's so asinine and saccharine sweet. That's not Hunter x Hunter.

MegamanX195
February 13, 2012, 09:06 AM
Actually, it wasn't. Gon doesn't scream in the manga.




Isn't this Gon's scream?

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14043-2/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-34.html

Popo
February 13, 2012, 09:27 AM
Isn't this Gon's scream?

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14043-2/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-34.html
That's a scanlation mistake. In the Japanese manga, it's this:
http://i.imgur.com/EVz7R.jpg

which isn't a scream.

CrimsonChaos
February 13, 2012, 09:56 AM
That's a scanlation mistake. In the Japanese manga, it's this:

Yeah, Popo is right , In my language manga also the same sound as the Japanese and in the anime, [sometimes even translated manga can be wrong ,you know]

So....it seems like this Madhouse anime going to stay true to the manga i guess, I heard that Togashi is working with them, i mean guiding the way how it would handled in an episode.

Looking at the rating so far....I think that....

++If anyone who hate or anti-this 2011 anime in every possible way, I guess they should watch the 1999 series and wait for 2011 anime to reach at Chimera Ant Arc :D and then start watching [because u see if they are already anti at something it is hard for them to change their minds]

++For those who's ok and so so with this 2011 anime and thinks that some episode, the old one is better or some episode 2011 is better, I guess they should watch them separately and put it in a folder ,for example, people who like Hanzo vs Gon in old version just put that episode after episode 18 xD [U know what i mean]

++For those of you who loved to watch and have some opinion, then you guys should express your opinion like the rest of the people here :D

++For those of you who never watch 2011 HunterXHunter, I totally recommended them to watch from ep.1 xD

++For those of you who thinks they don't want to watch 19 episode because it is too much, I recommended them to watch starting from ep.13 because it is a recap *0* [but you may lose some of good stuff before ep.13]


That's it for now 0.0

Ps.MegamanX195 i think you should rate the episode 9.75/10 because the sounds are the same as the manga now :P [JK] xD

Netero
February 13, 2012, 10:54 AM
I recently just finished watching episode 19 for the 4th time, and I think I'm going to have to change my rating from 8/10 to 9.5/10. The more I watch this episode the more I like it. :D

thatguy3331
February 13, 2012, 12:14 PM
Guess I'll rewatch when I get the chance, it seems now that we aren't expecting a fantastic flip and dash show you're able to accually be like a human and feel pain for gon XD

ZonikStrike
February 13, 2012, 01:24 PM
I'm not blabbering. The episode was censored. I explained how the manga shows Hanzo hitting Gon three times.
Now if you wish to argue that it does not then please explain how it does not show Hanzo hitting Gon three times.
Or if you think the episode did show it then explain that. But don't just say the episode wasn't censoring
and those who say it is are blabbering. I compared the manga and the 2011 anime and from what I see
the manga does show three hits while the anime skips them.

Three hits? Here they are. http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8702/hitsb.png
Don't be saying the animation is lame. You asked for hits. And I don't think there's any need to censor hits. Other battle shonens don't have such type of censorship. Maybe just animation or direction fail.
Still, I loved the episode better than 1999 version.

Kiba
February 13, 2012, 03:57 PM
1999 version was a lot better and the scene when gon said
i am gonna see my dad he is somewhere far away was just epic

in the new episode they dont even played a bg sound in this moment dissapointing

Popo
February 13, 2012, 04:03 PM
It's worth mentioning that Gon speaks politely in the 1999 series (using "My Father" instead of "My old man") when talking about Ging, which isn't in the manga or 2011 series. Also, the 1999 series is reluctant to have Gon swear. I didn't notice it until i started doing the comparisons, but Gon says "Damn it!" an awful lot in the manga.


in the new episode they dont even played a bg sound in this moment dissapointing
There wouldn't have been background music if it actually took place in real life either ;)

MegamanX195
February 13, 2012, 05:34 PM
That's a scanlation mistake. In the Japanese manga, it's this:
http://i.imgur.com/EVz7R.jpg

which isn't a scream.

Just out of curiosity, what does that last one mean?

Uriel
February 13, 2012, 08:21 PM
You know, watching the anime with you guys doing comparison all the time make me enjoy A LOT MORE. Thank you <3
And you know I was about to post that I checked the manga and the three hits were there but I think that pics works better.

And Leorio is more likeable in this new series, btw. I don't hate him now :P
Yes, Leorio. I used to hate you.
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzb12gciNf1qj5hzwo1_500.jpg
Leorio: WHAT?

Crude
February 13, 2012, 08:24 PM
You used to hate Leorio :o!? I agree though, Leorio is much more likeable in the new series. It helps that his voice actor is known for playing quite a few well liked characters (Hughes!!) :D. 1998 Leorio was pretty plain and invisible to be honest.

Uriel
February 13, 2012, 08:28 PM
And the gifs as usual:
You all saw this one around:
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzagffhHla1r3x2t8o1_500.gif
The dramatic moment:
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyz84czFic1r98f3wo1_500.gif
And then suddenly, Gon did as He uses to do (letting enemies to put a weapon on his m*f* face)
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzan3iio8z1qe95joo1_500.gif
Hanzo gets annoyed...
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzc7dgQzc81qdo1gwo1_500.gif
...And people can't believe it.
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzb7st4biL1r7izxao1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzc7dgQzc81qdo1gwo2_500.gif

...You sire, are taking too much talking
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzbxv2uo1k1qdo1gwo1_500.gif

Kick his ass
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzakgcx0fX1r6kceto1_500.gif

mrsticky005
February 13, 2012, 08:42 PM
Three hits? Here they are. http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8702/hitsb.png
Don't be saying the animation is lame. You asked for hits. And I don't think there's any need to censor hits. Other battle shonens don't have such type of censorship. Maybe just animation or direction fail.
Still, I loved the episode better than 1999 version.

That's the aftermath of the hits. The actual movement and contact is basically skipped over.
Now yes the manga only shows the aftermath as well but that's because you CAN'T show
movement in comics. You have to use certain effects to show what's going on which it does.


The first hit with the karate chop is done the most accurate.
But we don't see the actual hit in the anime. Hanzo's hand should
swing down towards Gon's neck causing Gon to lunge forward
The speed lines and Gon tripping indicate this is what's going on.
We only see an aftermath of the hit and when the hit is supposed
to happen we get a quick zoom in. In short the scene is not
animated and that is how it is censored. Unless it was laziness or direction fail.

The slap is changed to more of a push. Notice how Hanzo's hand is situated
a bit differently than the manga is. Again the effects in the panel show
that Hanzo slapped Gon violently on the ear. Again lack of animation.


The last is changed to a trip. It's different but at least it is animated.


So my beef is with the animation I dunno if it is due to censorship or not.
That I thought it was due to censorship was just my immediate reaction.
But you're right that it could just be direction or animation fail.

Now if you say the manga does NOT show that those scenes should be animated as I described...

then why did they animate Gon kicking Hanzo? Even though you
only see the aftermath in the manga too
if you don't count the effects which show Gon kicking Hanzo?

But in any case I've gotten over it. Right now I'm just arguing for the fun of it. I agree the episode is better than the 99 version.

---------- Post added at 07:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:40 PM ----------

One thing I like to point out is that this episode NAILED it on the gag facial expressions from the manga.

Goral
February 14, 2012, 04:14 AM
(...) It does a much better job at adapting the manga with no filler in it. No. It does better job at animating manga pages in a 1:1 ratio but it's not a better adaptation, on the contrary. As I've said dozen times already, directors of Hunter x Hunter suck. They can only copy and paste and when once in a while they try to show their "ingenuity" it turns out to be a disaster, like adding killing apples (the boars being KO-ed by a falling apples), getting rid of Kaito for no good reason, cutting some stuff out or rushing things up or even ending an episode in a worse moment than it was in old anime. A perfect example of not 1:1 ratio is when Hisoka commented on Gon not making it through the tower which you called generic (lol). That's exactly the comment you would expect from someone who regarded Gon as someone who might be a worthy opponent in the future. And if Gon couldn't even do in 72 h what he did in 6 hours (without rush) then it would mean he was really bad at judging people (and as it was stated in HxH manga, the better you are the easier you can judge someone's strength).

So yeah, additions like these show that directors of the old anime understood the source material very well and did their job. Another example is the use of a narrator in the new anime, contrary to comments made by characters to show the viewers what's going on. The first method is artificial and in anime (or television overall) is intended for retards or kids who can't think for themselves and draw a conclusion themselves. In books all-knowing narrator is necessary because some things you can't show in any other way. In manga it depends but basically it's always possible to not use them, although that could require a massive amount of work (for example to actually show something via drawing that could be said in a few sentences) and space and mangaka have a limited amount of space/pages and time. However, when overused it only shows laziness of a mangaka. That's one of the reasons I despise chimera ant arc where there were dozens of pages with nothing but text from an all-knowing entity which could be done in a different manner.

Anyway, my point is, where the new anime uses a narrator who hand-holds everyone, old anime used more subtle ways to explain some things. Either just by showing something explicitly or by using secondary characters as medium. In the Gon vs. Hanzo fight it was done particularly well and judges have shown to be exactly as I would expect them to. I mean, it's normal that a judge would comment on a fight and analyse it and hunters only staring (especially Menchi who is not the calm type) when a fight like the one we've seen was in progress would be unnatural. Thankfully, in the new anime Menchi commented on one thing at least but overall it was done much worse than in the old one.

Also in old anime creators were taking into account such details as Gon stretching his hands which must have been numb due to being tightened around the fishing rod for such a long time or Gon being affected by Garreta's poison (in the new anime Gon was shown to be as resilient to poison as Killua).

Daisuki-chan from Animesuki (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3997035#post3997035) has made a great post which sums up what I've been saying since episode 1:


Maybe the 2011 anime is more canon with some of the characterization (the various random magic Hisoka has no canon reason to be able to perform and how he was very much more just defending himself instead of proactively playing a murderous examiner earlier are for example quite stupid to me, and in this anime greatly hurt my enjoyment of his character, which I greatly enjoy in the manga and 1999 anime), but I find it hard to enjoy what characterization may be better given the poor music endemic to this series, and also because I care more about plot anyway.

Cutting Kaito from the beginning affects characterization regarding Gon's knowledge of his father/hunters and what that means to him as well, as well as being a large hole in the plot relative to the canon, which will have to be filled in later (and I really doubt a flashback will have the same impact as having this in its proper, canon place, especially given other issues I have), assuming this anime gets that far.

"Merging" Menchi's exam into Buhara's removed all depth from her character (not that I like her much anyway) and removed all subtlety and intelligence (on the part of the characters, who I much prefer to hear the thoughts of than a random narrator; this also plays into characterization for me) from her exam. The censorship of Killua's fight in Trick Tower retarded my enjoyment by a lot, too, as I greatly enjoyed the canon version in the 1999 anime.

Two of the issues (no Kaito, no real Menchi/her exam) I mentioned above make it irritating when time is wasted on filler (whether Gon and Killua being eaten by the frog...very stupid given their obvious superiority in canon over the nameless tards being trapped and killed at that time, or needlessly and painfully extending the time spent in the story on the time they had to spend in that room in the tower, and let's not forget the totally worthless clip show episode either) which has never been any good to me at all. The 1999 anime had some negative filler, but much of what was added worked well for me, of course very especially the two battleship island episodes.

I also can't remember anything more major than the showing of Hisoka vs. Kastro being cut due to censorship (something the new anime has much more of, and often in a way that stands out stupidly rather than blending in well enough) being removed in the 1999 anime, which I've watched four times, and even that was not actually truly removed from the plot, as what happened in relation to it came up normally right afterwards. Maybe these issues are few in number compared to all of the not infrequently highly subjective deviations from canon mentioned in comparisons, but they matter a great deal to me and thus can easily outweigh even hundreds of trivial changes.

Taking away canon and adding filler are simply not the same to me. I haven't watched much of it, but I know Naruto's [first] anime is nearly pure filler in the second half. Nonetheless if it included 100% of canon I would consider it more canon that an alternate Naruto that removes a "mere" 5% of canon and only adds a moderate amount of filler. The 1999 Hunter X Hunter anime didn't add that great a quantity of filler, and given that it wasn't all bad and even had amazing parts to it, in contrast to the solely useless or bad filler in the 2011 anime, it should be easy to understand that I don't honestly consider this new anime to be that highly canon at all.

The music in this version is just poor to me and really sucks the life out of scenes, and does so rather consistently. It also helps to enforce the high level of "shounenness" the time slot for this anime "demands", whereas the 1999 anime was darker, more subtle most of the time, and thus has more "seinen" appeal to me, something the manga also has quite a lot of; perhaps more and more over time. In contrast the 1999 anime had music I enjoyed a good deal, which I felt to express well a feeling of adventure (something I enjoy), among other things. I care about music a lot so this is one of the biggest factors to me for these anime, which contrast highly on this to me. The voice acting is also commonly clearly inferior to me in the new anime for side characters and also for Hisoka.

The 1999 anime also had suspense quite often, and maybe this was easier to accomplish due to drawing out the pacing for a fair while at first (including too much for me towards the very beginning, although me not much liking the filler then is the main factor in my feelings on those episodes), but what's there is there, and the 2011 anime simply lacks suspense over and over again to me, and when you combine this with crappy music and all the rest I simply find it hard to get into this version much anymore. It's been well over a cour's worth of episodes and improvement hasn't been nearly extreme enough to me, and most of that improvement is simply due to me enjoying certain exams more than others.

(...)The 1999 series gives Gon ~*the power of friendship*~ and it's so asinine and saccharine sweet. That's not Hunter x Hunter.WTF are you talking about? That sentence alone shows how biased you are towards old and new anime resolving even to unsubstantiated allegations. There was no "power of friendship" involved, that's nonsense. And I'm not even talking about adapting manga up to this point (so around episode 29), but overall adaptation. The only power of friendship I can think of is that his friends sometimes motivates him to do certain things but that's exactly how it works in manga.

Unmistaken they were when they said the tongue was boneless. The majority of people who expressed their opinions on today's episode nagged when material was skipped, but now when they receive what they have been waiting for - that particular flawlessly adapted episode, they are still unsatisfied. Do me the favour, you user, of comparing the manga with the anime before commenting here, because you embarass yourself, act ignorant and create a chain reaction of stupidity.
I haven't seen people like that on the forums (not only this one). mrsticky005 for example was praising the new anime all the time and only now I've seen him criticizing it. I on the other hand didn't want 1:1 ratio in the first place and from the start was saying that old anime > manga > new anime and that not everything that works for manga works for the anime. So do me a favour, get your facts straight before criticizing someone. And seriously, looking at the poll and people who voted on "new anime is better" makes me laugh when I know that most of those people don't even remember (or vaguely remember) old anime (like Uriel for example).

Uriel
February 14, 2012, 05:30 AM
I would take that as direct troll. Because I'm not a bitch, I wont delete that post. Next time you TEASE me I wont doubt a second.
I understand that you HATE the new anime, I honestly do. But insulting me saying that I just like it because I don't remember is something I wont allow. Personally.

You have an opinion, and it's understood. Some of us have another opinion AND IT'S NOT WRONG. In any case, both are just opinion. Happens that Popo makes an excellent argument against haters by SHOWING and COMPARING the three cases which lead us to have better sight. If I don't accepts your posts because I feel that it's doesn't have strong arguments, that's a different issue.

I strongly recommend to tone down the speech a little bit if you don't want me in your ass all the time. And yes, I tend to be a bitch at those times.


AND THAT'S FOR EVERYBODY. Respect the other opinions, whatever that is. BUT OVERALL RESPECT THE OTHER USERS OR I'LL START TO WHIP.

ZonikStrike
February 14, 2012, 05:36 AM
Don't wanna do any quoting, but they actually showed contact in those three hits. Yeah, animation was kinda lame, I agree.

Host Samurai
February 14, 2012, 06:52 AM
I value others' opinions and not mistakes. The fact that some users kept blabbering about this episode being censored, despite being almost the coloured version of the manga chapters that were adapted, is wrong in so many ways.
In addition, while the older adaptation did a great job at extending the fight it pictured Hanzo as more of a fool than he actually looked during this match. As a human, I admit that I have felt the emotional impact, but it was overdone with the price of distorting the characters.

btw I am not annoyed, at least on the internet

I also respect other peoples opinions and their corresponding “mistakes”. You explained it nicely this adaption is nothing more then the coloured version of the manga. According to that they stayed close to the source material but since this is an anime adaption, there is a major difference, which this anime is sometimes lacking, it's to create an proper atmosphere of danger especially in this episode.

@Uriel: I think it's way too early for this kind of a poll. Because this series is still fairly new with only 19 episodes, while the other is already complete.

steadynco
February 14, 2012, 09:35 AM
Netero saying "no" to Killua was damn hilarious in this episode, really made me laugh XD. Was there a scene like this in the old anime? (in the manga, Netero just has a serious expression).

Netero
February 14, 2012, 11:12 AM
@steadynco Netero's crazy face is only in the new anime. :D

Popo
February 14, 2012, 12:12 PM
No. It does better job at animating manga pages in a 1:1 ratio but it's not a better adaptation, on the contrary. As I've said dozen times already, directors of Hunter x Hunter suck. They can only copy and paste
I disagree. I think that Madhouse letting Togashi's direction take precedence over their own. This is why the series feels more like the manga than the 1999 series, which added filler to most episodes in order to stretch them out.


and when once in a while they try to show their "ingenuity" it turns out to be a disaster, like adding killing apples (the boars being KO-ed by a falling apples), getting rid of Kaito for no good reason, cutting some stuff out or rushing things up or even ending an episode in a worse moment than it was in old anime.
This is a bit of unfair criticism, since the 1999 series does this much more frequently than the 2011 series. Filler is added into every single episode. Despite your preference for episode 28 of the 1999 series, it comes after the 1999 series completely changes the order of the matches in order to make Kurapika look like more of a badass.

The 1999 series also turns Hanzo, Geretta, and Leroute into anime-cliched "bad guys" by making their personalities one-dimensional. It also tends to censor dialogue, which many fans of the 1999 series aren't considering.

The themes of Togashi's work aren't preserved, which is a major issue. Without those, Hunter x Hunter becomes something entirely different. Furuhashi is more interested in the themes of homesickness, longing, redemption, importance of friendship, etc. These show up throughout his adaptation in places where they initially were not in the series, altering the relationships and conception of all of the characters.


A perfect example of not 1:1 ratio is when Hisoka commented on Gon not making it through the tower which you called generic (lol). That's exactly the comment you would expect from someone who regarded Gon as someone who might be a worthy opponent in the future. And if Gon couldn't even do in 72 h what he did in 6 hours (without rush) then it would mean he was really bad at judging people (and as it was stated in HxH manga, the better you are the easier you can judge someone's strength).
That's not how Hisoka would go about doing it. Proof? He doesn't do it in the manga. Hisoka in the manga is surprised that three people make it out of Gon's group instead of all four--not that it took so long for Gon to reach the bottom. He had absolute faith in Gon passing the entire time and that's where the difference is.

Also, the reason why I called it "generic" is because the line itself is generic in Japanese. It's one of those anime-typical lines that rears its head in so many series that it almost becomes a saying.

It's worth mentioning that it takes Hisoka 12 hours to finish Trick Tower in the 1999 series instead of 6, though.


So yeah, additions like these show that directors of the old anime understood the source material very well and did their job.
There are numerous instances in which it's clear that Furuhashi didn't do a close reading of the source material or changed it to suit his own needs. The mistakes in the 1999 series are proof of this, like having Mito being related to Gon's mother. Furuhashi gets so caught up in portraying the themes he feels are important that he completely misses or blatantly alters many things that Togashi tries to do with the series.

The characterization of Killua, for instance. Furuhashi misses the mark on character moralities, so he has Killua struggle with his urges to kill throughout the Hunter Exam arc (and throughout the rest of the series, actually). But this isn't something that Killua ever has to deal with in the manga--in fact, on the contrary. In the manga and 2011 series, you still aren't supposed to know whether or not Killua is another Hisoka. Readers don't get insight into the true nature of Killua until the Final Phase, which I find to be important.

There are loads more examples of this.


Another example is the use of a narrator in the new anime, contrary to comments made by characters to show the viewers what's going on. The first method is artificial and in anime (or television overall) is intended for retards or kids who can't think for themselves and draw a conclusion themselves. In books all-knowing narrator is necessary because some things you can't show in any other way. In manga it depends but basically it's always possible to not use them, although that could require a massive amount of work (for example to actually show something via drawing that could be said in a few sentences) and space and mangaka have a limited amount of space/pages and time. However, when overused it only shows laziness of a mangaka. That's one of the reasons I despise chimera ant arc where there were dozens of pages with nothing but text from an all-knowing entity which could be done in a different manner.
How offensive. You should be ashamed of yourself for that second sentence.

Utilizing narration like Togashi does in his manga isn't laziness--it's innovation. Togashi could have just as easily drawn the series without a narrator, but one has been present in HxH since the beginning of the series. The narrator literally makes an appearance in the first chapter. It's such an important voice in the series that it doesn't make sense not to include one.


Anyway, my point is, where the new anime uses a narrator who hand-holds everyone, old anime used more subtle ways to explain some things. Either just by showing something explicitly or by using secondary characters as medium.
By using secondary characters as a medium, isn't that still hand-holding? It isn't any less subtle or overt, it simply removes the omniscient presence in the story. The scenes of Menchi, Buhara, and Satotz commenting on Kurapika in episode 27 and Gon in episode 28 are examples of this. I'll transcribe some of those lines later today in example.


In the Gon vs. Hanzo fight it was done particularly well and judges have shown to be exactly as I would expect them to. I mean, it's normal that a judge would comment on a fight and analyse it and hunters only staring (especially Menchi who is not the calm type) when a fight like the one we've seen was in progress would be unnatural. Thankfully, in the new anime Menchi commented on one thing at least but overall it was done much worse than in the old one.
Some of Menchi's comments in the 1999 series' version of this fight are extremely unnatural. I'll post them later today so you can judge for yourself. But I'm surprise that you think that Menchi's comments were done "worse than in the old one," especially since that scene was in the manga and done exactly the same way.


Also in old anime creators were taking into account such details as Gon stretching his hands which must have been numb due to being tightened around the fishing rod for such a long time or Gon being affected by Garreta's poison (in the new anime Gon was shown to be as resilient to poison as Killua).
It's supposed to be a big deal that Gon could stand up again so soon after being attacked by Geretta. Gon has a much higher tolerance to pain/drugs than normal people, even if it's not as high as Killua's.


WTF are you talking about? That sentence alone shows how biased you are towards old and new anime resolving even to unsubstantiated allegations. There was no "power of friendship" involved, that's nonsense. And I'm not even talking about adapting manga up to this point (so around episode 29), but overall adaptation. The only power of friendship I can think of is that his friends sometimes motivates him to do certain things but that's exactly how it works in manga.
Pay attention to the conversation in episode 28 right after Killua comments on the lighter mood in the room. Satotz, Menchi, and Buhara say something like "the reason why Gon was rated so highly is because of his ability to draw people close to him and make friends"--the power of friendship. This isn't so much as even insinuated in the manga and is a major difference between Furuhashi's Gon and Togashi's Gon.

Furuhashi's version speaks in a polite manner, is flawless (or at least the series isn't directed in a way that seriously considers anything Gon does to be "wrong"), makes friends with everyone he meets, and has "I just sorta know" as his catchphrase. A lot of these are the opposite of the Gon that Togashi tries to craft--one who can be just as easily criticized by the audience as he is praised. Togashi's Gon is more balanced. Furuhashi's Gon is a mary-sue.

I could point out numerous times in which the 1999 series makes a filler comment regarding how polite and nice Gon is, as well as show you exactly where the series absolves him of any sense of responsibility.

I truly believe that Furuhashi didn't come into the series with a good understanding of the protagonists; this is most easily judged through the 1999 series' filler. Watch episode 27 or 31 and pay attention to the ways the protagonists act. Leorio is a boor who only can say obvious things (the 1999 series rarely gives him any credit), Kurapika's morals reign supreme in every situation (and the 1999 series tries to make him look as cool as possible in episode 27--count how many times side characters make comments that boil down to "Kurapika is awesome!"), Killua's eyes are typically drawn to be more narrow and his comments typically come across as OOC (he is also drawn to be taller, therefore older, than Gon), etc.

heron bpv
February 14, 2012, 12:31 PM
A bit off-topic but still...
Glad this didn't turned out into an epic flame war like I have expected after Goral's post. Also glad to see that a reasonable portion of the forumers around here actually likes the new anime. =]

Host Samurai
February 14, 2012, 12:58 PM
A bit off-topic but still...
Glad this didn't turned out into an epic flame war like I have expected after Goral's post. Also glad to see that a reasonable portion of the forumers around here actually likes the new anime. =]

Thats something that won't happen in this section. :hip Even though we have different opinions we still act civil. Goral's post wasn't that bad except for the Uriel part other then that, it was a good read IMO. :mono

Beans
February 14, 2012, 01:31 PM
In my opinion I think the Manga was a lot more better than the old series, and we all know the new series is closer to the manga, therefore the new series is better for me than the old one.

Crude
February 14, 2012, 02:46 PM
I could do without the narration actually. I don't really like it in the manga (I really disliked it in the Chimera Ant arc) nor do I really like it in the anime. I prefer the characters themselves to serve as narrators.

Beans
February 14, 2012, 02:57 PM
http://im16.gulfup.com/2012-02-14/1329249396921.jpg

Interesting! Isn't it?

Bomber D Rufi
February 14, 2012, 03:11 PM
I disagree. I think that Madhouse letting Togashi's direction take precedence over their own. This is why the series feels more like the manga than the 1999 series, which added filler to most episodes in order to stretch them out.


This is a bit of unfair criticism, since the 1999 series does this much more frequently than the 2011 series. Filler is added into every single episode. Despite your preference for episode 28 of the 1999 series, it comes after the 1999 series completely changes the order of the matches in order to make Kurapika look like more of a badass.

The 1999 series also turns Hanzo, Geretta, and Leroute into anime-cliched "bad guys" by making their personalities one-dimensional. It also tends to censor dialogue, which many fans of the 1999 series aren't considering.

The themes of Togashi's work aren't preserved, which is a major issue. Without those, Hunter x Hunter becomes something entirely different. Furuhashi is more interested in the themes of homesickness, longing, redemption, importance of friendship, etc. These show up throughout his adaptation in places where they initially were not in the series, altering the relationships and conception of all of the characters.


That's not how Hisoka would go about doing it. Proof? He doesn't do it in the manga. Hisoka in the manga is surprised that three people make it out of Gon's group instead of all four--not that it took so long for Gon to reach the bottom. He had absolute faith in Gon passing the entire time and that's where the difference is.

Also, the reason why I called it "generic" is because the line itself is generic in Japanese. It's one of those anime-typical lines that rears its head in so many series that it almost becomes a saying.

It's worth mentioning that it takes Hisoka 12 hours to finish Trick Tower in the 1999 series instead of 6, though.


There are numerous instances in which it's clear that Furuhashi didn't do a close reading of the source material or changed it to suit his own needs. The mistakes in the 1999 series are proof of this, like having Mito being related to Gon's mother. Furuhashi gets so caught up in portraying the themes he feels are important that he completely misses or blatantly alters many things that Togashi tries to do with the series.

The characterization of Killua, for instance. Furuhashi misses the mark on character moralities, so he has Killua struggle with his urges to kill throughout the Hunter Exam arc (and throughout the rest of the series, actually). But this isn't something that Killua ever has to deal with in the manga--in fact, on the contrary. In the manga and 2011 series, you still aren't supposed to know whether or not Killua is another Hisoka. Readers don't get insight into the true nature of Killua until the Final Phase, which I find to be important.

There are loads more examples of this.


How offensive. You should be ashamed of yourself for that second sentence.

Utilizing narration like Togashi does in his manga isn't laziness--it's innovation. Togashi could have just as easily drawn the series without a narrator, but one has been present in HxH since the beginning of the series. The narrator literally makes an appearance in the first chapter. It's such an important voice in the series that it doesn't make sense not to include one.


By using secondary characters as a medium, isn't that still hand-holding? It isn't any less subtle or overt, it simply removes the omniscient presence in the story. The scenes of Menchi, Buhara, and Satotz commenting on Kurapika in episode 27 and Gon in episode 28 are examples of this. I'll transcribe some of those lines later today in example.


Some of Menchi's comments in the 1999 series' version of this fight are extremely unnatural. I'll post them later today so you can judge for yourself. But I'm surprise that you think that Menchi's comments were done "worse than in the old one," especially since that scene was in the manga and done exactly the same way.


It's supposed to be a big deal that Gon could stand up again so soon after being attacked by Geretta. Gon has a much higher tolerance to pain/drugs than normal people, even if it's not as high as Killua's.


Pay attention to the conversation in episode 28 right after Killua comments on the lighter mood in the room. Satotz, Menchi, and Buhara say something like "the reason why Gon was rated so highly is because of his ability to draw people close to him and make friends"--the power of friendship. This isn't so much as even insinuated in the manga and is a major difference between Furuhashi's Gon and Togashi's Gon.

Furuhashi's version speaks in a polite manner, is flawless (or at least the series isn't directed in a way that seriously considers anything Gon does to be "wrong"), makes friends with everyone he meets, and has "I just sorta know" as his catchphrase. A lot of these are the opposite of the Gon that Togashi tries to craft--one who can be just as easily criticized by the audience as he is praised. Togashi's Gon is more balanced. Furuhashi's Gon is a mary-sue.

I could point out numerous times in which the 1999 series makes a filler comment regarding how polite and nice Gon is, as well as show you exactly where the series absolves him of any sense of responsibility.

I truly believe that Furuhashi didn't come into the series with a good understanding of the protagonists; this is most easily judged through the 1999 series' filler. Watch episode 27 or 31 and pay attention to the ways the protagonists act. Leorio is a boor who only can say obvious things (the 1999 series rarely gives him any credit), Kurapika's morals reign supreme in every situation (and the 1999 series tries to make him look as cool as possible in episode 27--count how many times side characters make comments that boil down to "Kurapika is awesome!"), Killua's eyes are typically drawn to be more narrow and his comments typically come across as OOC (he is also drawn to be taller, therefore older, than Gon), etc.

I totally feel like Gon when reading your posts. :-P Like I had no idea that the 1999 series had so much different about it until I read your posts Popo. Of course I didn't start reading the manga until after I saw the 1999 series so that has a lot to do with it. Although there is a lot I prefer with the 1999 series (Music, some of the voices, and the animation for some scenes being a bit slicker than the 2011 intineration) I think 2011 is doing it's own thing in it's own right. I call heavy bullshit for those who claim that they would prefer the 2011 series to go off the beaten path like the 1999 did. For every person who liked the 1999 filler, there was a person who didn't like it. I know for one thing, I would hate to be an anime director with fickle fans like these. >_> I stick to the manga! You hate me. I add things here and there! You hate me. It's enough to make a guy want to stick with drawing the lack of backgrounds in Bleach. Such is the way of an anime fan.

Despite one's like or hate of the new anime, I really applaud Popo for actually having references to the old series to counter points. Any person can just say '1999 rOOLZ 2011 suuuxxors lulz' but she has patiently listed point and counter point to why one series isn't better or worse than the other. I agree with some that the pacing for 2011 should really move a bit more, but I also admit that this is because I reaaallly want to see the Ants arc animated.

Most of all, not trying to styme those with an opinon, cause I always like reading them, but dude if people hate the 2011 series so much, why the fuck would you keep watching it? Before someone blasts me, I do own all of the orignal 1999 series as released by Viz, and the OVAs as released by Nippon animation. I am not just blowing it out my ass. There is plenty I love about that series. Though again I didn't know that Furuhashi-san had taken so many liberties with the script and the characters. I have to admit some of them I kind of liked, while others are kind of appalling. Which prods a thought, what if people who seem to prefer the 1999 version to the 2011 version that sticks to the manga to a T prefer Furuhashi's HXH to Togashi's HXH? I wonder indeed.

In any case 1999 is 1999.
2011 is 2011.
The manga is the manga.

Enjoy the one that suits you and quit bitching about the others, unless it's constructive bitching. I'm sure the lot of us who simply want to enjoy HXH animated will appreciate your kindess. :)

And once again thanks for coming all the way from Animesuki to bring your posts here. I may not say it on each one Popo, but I appreciate it.

mrsticky005
February 14, 2012, 03:41 PM
No. It does better job at animating manga pages in a 1:1 ratio but it's not a better adaptation, on the contrary. As I've said dozen times already, directors of Hunter x Hunter suck. They can only copy and paste and when once in a while they try to show their "ingenuity" it turns out to be a disaster, like adding killing apples (the boars being KO-ed by a falling apples), getting rid of Kaito for no good reason, cutting some stuff out or rushing things up or even ending an episode in a worse moment than it was in old anime. A perfect example of not 1:1 ratio is when Hisoka commented on Gon not making it through the tower which you called generic (lol). That's exactly the comment you would expect from someone who regarded Gon as someone who might be a worthy opponent in the future. And if Gon couldn't even do in 72 h what he did in 6 hours (without rush) then it would mean he was really bad at judging people (and as it was stated in HxH manga, the better you are the easier you can judge someone's strength).

So yeah, additions like these show that directors of the old anime understood the source material very well and did their job. Another example is the use of a narrator in the new anime, contrary to comments made by characters to show the viewers what's going on. The first method is artificial and in anime (or television overall) is intended for retards or kids who can't think for themselves and draw a conclusion themselves. In books all-knowing narrator is necessary because some things you can't show in any other way. In manga it depends but basically it's always possible to not use them, although that could require a massive amount of work (for example to actually show something via drawing that could be said in a few sentences) and space and mangaka have a limited amount of space/pages and time. However, when overused it only shows laziness of a mangaka. That's one of the reasons I despise chimera ant arc where there were dozens of pages with nothing but text from an all-knowing entity which could be done in a different manner.

Anyway, my point is, where the new anime uses a narrator who hand-holds everyone, old anime used more subtle ways to explain some things. Either just by showing something explicitly or by using secondary characters as medium. In the Gon vs. Hanzo fight it was done particularly well and judges have shown to be exactly as I would expect them to. I mean, it's normal that a judge would comment on a fight and analyse it and hunters only staring (especially Menchi who is not the calm type) when a fight like the one we've seen was in progress would be unnatural. Thankfully, in the new anime Menchi commented on one thing at least but overall it was done much worse than in the old one.

Also in old anime creators were taking into account such details as Gon stretching his hands which must have been numb due to being tightened around the fishing rod for such a long time or Gon being affected by Garreta's poison (in the new anime Gon was shown to be as resilient to poison as Killua).

Daisuki-chan from Animesuki (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3997035#post3997035) has made a great post which sums up what I've been saying since episode 1:


WTF are you talking about? That sentence alone shows how biased you are towards old and new anime resolving even to unsubstantiated allegations. There was no "power of friendship" involved, that's nonsense. And I'm not even talking about adapting manga up to this point (so around episode 29), but overall adaptation. The only power of friendship I can think of is that his friends sometimes motivates him to do certain things but that's exactly how it works in manga.

I haven't seen people like that on the forums (not only this one). mrsticky005 for example was praising the new anime all the time and only now I've seen him criticizing it. I on the other hand didn't want 1:1 ratio in the first place and from the start was saying that old anime > manga > new anime and that not everything that works for manga works for the anime. So do me a favour, get your facts straight before criticizing someone. And seriously, looking at the poll and people who voted on "new anime is better" makes me laugh when I know that most of those people don't even remember (or vaguely remember) old anime (like Uriel for example).

You haven't been paying much attention then. I've expressed my disappointment
in previous episodes as well most particularly the lack of Killua crushing the
heart and the lack of Hisoka hysterical laughter in the 5th episode.
I think the 99 version did a better job of adapting those scenes.
However for the most part the 2011 series is a better adaptation
of the manga. That you think the 99 series is a better show doesn't
really matter. The 2011 series still sticks closer to the manga
even in spite of the early censoring. Another thing since the censoring
of the episodes was taken down a notch that is part of the reason
my expectations have been raised.

It's one thing to have a difference of opinion but you seem to have
already made up your mind to hate the 2011 series.
In fact it doesn't even have a chance since you prefer
the 1999 anime to the manga and so you hold the 99
series as the measuring stick to compare the 2011
series to which it will never measure up to since
the 2011 series is NOT supposed to be the 1999 series.
It's supposed to be like the manga. It's supposed to
be a 1:1 ratio. And while the 2011 series has missed
the mark a few times (hisoka in episode 5, no crushed
heart Killua, no sushi exam) it's still rather close to the manga.
Closer than the 1999 series was to the manga.
The 2011 series is the better adaptation. Again your
opinion of which you like better doesn't really matter.

In my opinion the new anime is better and I remember the old anime.
In fact I own all four box sets. :) I would own the OVAs if they were in English.
Of course unlike you I DO want a 1:1 ratio with the manga.

---------- Post added at 02:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:29 PM ----------


Don't wanna do any quoting, but they actually showed contact in those three hits. Yeah, animation was kinda lame, I agree.


does it? to be honest it goes by fast so I have a hard time telling?

---------- Post added at 02:41 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:34 PM ----------

I for one enjoy the narration.

But maybe that's because I'm a retard? ;)

Beans
February 14, 2012, 04:05 PM
I for one enjoy the narration.

But maybe that's because I'm a retard?

I also have no problem with the narrator, maybe I'm a retard too.

Goral
February 14, 2012, 04:58 PM
I would take that as direct troll. Because I'm not a bitch, I wont delete that post. Next time you TEASE me I wont doubt a second.
I understand that you HATE the new anime, I honestly do. But insulting me saying that I just like it because I don't remember is something I wont allow. Personally.
Wow, now that's rich. Where did I disrespect you (or anyone else for that matter)? Unless writing "no" or telling the truth is disrespectful. Seriously, how is stating a fact insulting? Because it's a fact that on several occasions you've admitted that you don't remember old anime too well. Let me be more clear so that you won't accuse me groundlessly of trolling:

THANK YOU! I deeply enjoy those and makes me have a better perspective of what I am seeing. I enjoy this series more than the older one and it's hard to discuss when you don't have the proper tools to do it.

As always, it's awesome to have your review! Makes me feel that I'm not this crazy for liking the new series xD

(...)I also did not realize all the differences in the Leruto-Leorio match since all my attention went to Killua :P I also believe the designs are way more closer to the manga now that I compare Leruto as well. Missed how playful She looked.
or saying that in the new anime there is more information than in the old one (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/71821-Hunter-X-Hunter-Anime-Fall-2011?p=2675029&highlight=#post2675029)
or (and this one shows it explicitly) saying:

Wow, thanks for those links! Now I know this version IS superior.In other words, only after reading Popo's comparison you became convinced that new anime is better than the old one since earlier you didn't even remember the differences.

Also, it's funny how you're calling me a troll for writing the truth. You even have the audacity to say that you're being generous by not deleting my post which is neither offending nor disrespectful O_O. I must have really hit the nerve by coming to the conclusion you don't remember old anime too well which you've indirectly and directly admitted yourself.

Indirect proof of you not remembering old anime too well is that your every post (which in this thread usually is one or two liner, not including pictures) has the sentence "new anime did better than the old one" without elaborating or adding any arguments. One would think that at least at some point you would point out what exactly was better and how different was it from the old anime but I haven't seen anything like that coming from you. Don't want to multi-quote to prove my point but I hope you will have the decency to admit it.

And I have to address this specifically:

insulting me saying that I just like it because I don't remember is something I wont allow.
How did you get from:
And seriously, looking at the poll and people who voted on "new anime is better" makes me laugh when I know that most of those people don't even remember (or vaguely remember) old anime (like Uriel for example).
to:
[Insert an insult here] Uriel likes it only because he doesn't remember old anime.

Beans
February 14, 2012, 05:12 PM
@Goral what you're saying is not the truth, it's just your opinion.

by the way I watch both version of the anime so I can decide witch one is better, and yet the new one is better for me because it's closer to the manga!

TheAmericandream
February 14, 2012, 06:12 PM
It's getting kinda heated in here ever since the "which do you prefer" came into play, as a new member I guess I'll throw my two cents in.

I definitely prefer the original anime to basically every other version of Hunter X Hunter (this includes the actual manga) what made me fall in love with the series initially was the original adaptation the fusion of the animes changes mixed with the manga, but at the same time to continue the series I had to read the manga. The first anime starts out really slow, so while I prefer the original (and possibly always will) I really appreciate the hell out of the new Hunter x Hunter anime because its drawing in new fans, fans of the manga only (who didnt like the old anime) and will continue the story for fans like me and Goral. I hope we can at least all get along as a community once that happens.

I hadn't realized how different the versions of the series are until the new version came out but there's no reason we can't be a bit more civil with our opinions about the adaptations? (This goes when defending or critiquing either series) I think some Hunter X Hunter is better then no Hunter X Hunter right?

That all being said I was fairly disappointed with the most recent episode but only its just been hard realizing how different the 1999 anime was, so for fans who were originally drawn in by that episode 19 is definitely far enough into the show to tell me it won't ever be like old Hunter. Or maybe not? I keep watching it anyway, and I love the new animation so I at least have that to enjoy in the mean time while I wait for them to catch up to Greed Island (which I think was adapted pretty poorly compared to every other Hunter X Hunter anime). In hindsight I'm really glad for this reboot with its spectacular animation, if we got NGL as an OVA in the mid 2000s who knows what it would have ended up like?

So my opinion so far is probably
1999 anime = Phantom Troupe OVA 2002> 2011 anime > Greed Island OVA > G.I Final OVA

I think depending on how you got into Hunter X Hunter your preference with the anime is somewhat based on that (1999 anime is like a childhood friend to me), I'd be really interested in how new fans are getting into it or what their initial thoughts are, I am having a hard time evaluating it on its own merits and not just analyzing it to death as a remake.

Uriel
February 14, 2012, 08:46 PM
You using "retard" in your post and being deliberately insulting those who like the new anime is what I call troll. Maybe I wasn't specific about that and for that I apologize. But you CAN'T and I repeat CAN'T insult even by just calling retards in generic. I'm not naive, Goral, and I did understood all your point across. Not putting a word before my name doesn't make it an innocent post. I know because I tend to troll like that myself.

As a side note, if I post that it's not that I don't remember the anime too well, it's because it's nice to have the comparison at hand at the moment of comparing.The tool I mention is the language. I sadly don't manage English as well as I would want to since I can't make my point across too well in this language. When I forgot about Leruto is because I just didn't have too present in the moment I view the new anime since I had the manga more fresh in my head. So well, your interpretation of my posts were a bit far off but that's ultimately my fault.

And yes, I do have the nerve. I'm the mod here, like it or not.

TheAmericandream
February 14, 2012, 11:19 PM
Though again I didn't know that Furuhashi-san had taken so many liberties with the script and the characters. I have to admit some of them I kind of liked, while others are kind of appalling. Which prods a thought, what if people who seem to prefer the 1999 version to the 2011 version that sticks to the manga to a T prefer Furuhashi's HXH to Togashi's HXH? I wonder indeed.

Aside from the horribly inconsistent changes, I am one of those people who think it goes like this Furuhashi's HxH > Manga version
That being said I love both, but I just had a hard time getting into the manga every time (mostly due to the inconsistent and somewhat hard to follow artwork) How quick things moved along compared to the slower paced anime actually bothered me among a few other things. NGL really grew on me though so I can say I really do love Togashi's manga writing, I just think he needs someone like Furuhashi to elaborate on some things ( I feel this way about the filler in Yu Yu Hakusho too) Major plot inconsistencies like Mito's family relationship changing does really bother me though especially since it paints her as a more pathetic character and Ging more villainous. Not only that if she ever was actually in the manga that would have been a huge problem. But besides this major inconsistency I had no problem converting from the 1999 series to NGL.
I love the 2011 series though its just not one of my favorite anime series like the 1999 series. *I'm still trying hard to decide which series I'd want to start my friends who are new to Hunter on, since I really dislike the lack of Kite being in the first episode*

You know, this whole 1999 vs 2011 really makes me think of Full Metal Alchemist and DragonBall Z Kai in how the fandom split having two anime. I was also more on the side of the original Dragonball Z for its good filler episodes which I felt got me more attached to the characters (even if they aren't canon) and the old soundtrack. But what finally won me over was the fantastic dub track it got in english which was much more accurate to the japanese for the first time. I just find it hard to get THAT excited about a reboot of a show that I found mostly perfect (just on being entertaining) I understand its point but it made it hard to get excited about, sadly the odds of 2011 Hunter getting a push in American markets seems really slim due to the lack of success 1999 HxH had and how anime just seems so much more niche now a days.

Is anyone else interested in the idea of HxH being released over here in the US? With a Dub that doesn't suck? A good Dub alone could really get my excited but I thought the first anime's english dub was atrocious. How sweet it would be if Justin Cook (voice actor of Yusuke in Yu Yu Hakusho) could voice Ging Freecss

Noonealive
February 15, 2012, 12:18 AM
The old series was in insult to the manga. The reason why most people stopped watching in Japan was because of that reason. Furuhashis interpretation of HxH was totally opposite of what Togashi wanted. The dialogue was changed and the personality of the protagonists were portrayed in a way where the characters seem like friendship was above everything else. The characterization was done wrong, that's why there is a re-make. I'd prefer things be done right and look bad than be wrong and look good.

What the re-make is doing is paving the road to what HxH is all about. The old series was good but it didn't last because of the fact that it was changing the story. HxH is back and now it's being done right. Until it reaches the last arc where the old series had left off than we could judge the series as whole because 20 episodes can't be compared to 62 episodes plus the OVA's. There is really no argument on which is better until the re-make catches up. Plain and simple. IMO.

TheAmericandream
February 15, 2012, 12:55 AM
I think calling the 1999 series an insult to Togashi is a bit harsh (it is better at adapting the manga more closely by Yorknew (granted I know you could argue the damage is done)) But it tells the broad strokes of the story and from what I've read in a poll (conducted not many years ago) Japan it was noted as one of the 100 most important animes of all time. I would think that it was pretty well received in Japan for what that's worth.

I definitely agree though a more accurate anime is nice to have for fans of the manga. And all fans want to see the actual story told consistently, not broken up via OVA's like back in the early 2000's. I'm so glad we're getting it how we are, I could have never imagined Hunter X Hunter could get the resurgence it is getting now. There hasn't been a better time to be a fan.

Noonealive
February 15, 2012, 03:54 AM
To be honest, it should have been done right the first time or else there wouldn't had been a re-make. I liked the old series very much, it's what got me into HxH in the first place, but after reading the manga i understood why they stopped the series. What Furuhashis did was good but it wasn't particularly what togashi had intended.

In the older series after Gon saved them from the cave Leorio was the one whole stole Ponzu's tag which is a big miscalculation. Furuhashi is the one telling the story at this point. Which is in a way an insult to Togashi . Changing up somebody's own story is pretty insulting. In some of his interviews he points out that he doesn't like working with other people because of reasons like this.

Anyways i agree completely, there hasn't been a better time to be a fan. I'm glad it's back and can't wait for it to show it's greatness.I really want to see how the later arcs will get handled, especially certain fights. The animation isn't to bad and it seems like it'll give enough fluidity when it comes to actual fights.

Heaven's arena arc
Gon vs opponents
Hisoka vs Kastro...Gon
Killua vs opponents
And how the Nen ability will be conveyed

MegamanX195
February 15, 2012, 05:46 AM
I used to dislike Togashi's drawing when reading the scanlations on the net, even thinking old anime's style was better. Then, after I bought and read them physically I loved them. Guess I just hate reading mangas/books in the PC :amuse

Crude
February 15, 2012, 10:37 AM
Togashi's a great artist if we look at certain pages/panels and also at the volume covers. At the same time he can be very lazy, that or he really has health problems. This large string of chapters we've had since the last hiatus have been pretty good art-wise, not so great compared to other manga series but still pretty good nonetheless. The artwork in the first anime was awesome but I think the new anime has even better artwork in that it sticks with Togashi's style yet manages to make it look better.

ZonikStrike
February 15, 2012, 10:55 AM
What I really dislike about the old anime is their changing of the story... Especially:
The changes during the first and the last exam;
Battle order in Heavens' Arena and no Hisoka vs Kastro (even no censored fight);
The story of the Meteor City. That one was the most important. They cut the part about the kamikaze revenge, so we couldn't really understant why mafia wanted to stop searching for Phantom Troupe.
I disliked that the anime stopped in the middle of the arc. Yeah, now we have OVAs, but I think they started much later after anime ended. Good think I didn't watch it ongoing that time.
But strangely I really enjoyed the OVAs, especially the second and the third one, for being so close to manga. The first was a bit dragged off, but still great.
Imo, manga>2011 anime>2nd OVA>3rd OVA>1st OVA>1999 anime

mrsticky005
February 15, 2012, 12:11 PM
I used to dislike Togashi's drawing when reading the scanlations on the net, even thinking old anime's style was better. Then, after I bought and read them physically I loved them. Guess I just hate reading mangas/books in the PC :amuse

Do keep in mind that Togashi redraws the volumes and too often people
judge him based off of his worst rather than his best.

Also scanlations reduce the image quality. This isn't an attack on scanlators
but just the fact that the original will always look better than a scan copy.

heron bpv
February 15, 2012, 12:23 PM
And I second this. Too bad I didn't had any money with me when the manga volumes where released here in Brazil. =(

mrsticky005
February 15, 2012, 05:07 PM
And I second this. Too bad I didn't had any money with me when the manga volumes where released here in Brazil. =(

Well aren't they still released?

Also...Viz needs to add HxH to their digital manga. If Viz expects us to drop scanlations and use their services then at least make the manga more readily available.

heron bpv
February 15, 2012, 05:23 PM
@Off-topic:
I have some problems finding bookstores with the volumes avaiable close to home. The places I used to visit had all been closed ._.'
And the matter of money persists as well =P

MegamanX195
February 15, 2012, 06:56 PM
Do keep in mind that Togashi redraws the volumes and too often people
judge him based off of his worst rather than his best.

Also scanlations reduce the image quality. This isn't an attack on scanlators
but just the fact that the original will always look better than a scan copy.

Yeah, those are most of the reasons. But as I said, I also personally hate reading mangas on the PC, and I only read the newest HxH chapters online because I know I'll be buying the actual volumes as soon as they're released here. I'm not sure why though, it just doesn't feel right for some reason.

Uriel
February 16, 2012, 07:24 AM
And I finally found the hit. Damn I love posting these.
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzd3wsh6TP1qzk4cro1_500.gif
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzd3wsh6TP1qzk4cro2_500.gif

mrsticky005
February 16, 2012, 04:43 PM
And I finally found the hit. Damn I love posting these.
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzd3wsh6TP1qzk4cro1_500.gif
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzd3wsh6TP1qzk4cro2_500.gif

Guess I was wrong on that one and Hanzo does hit him...just really really really fast.

Though it's rather hard to catch/tell what's going on. I thought it was just a zoom in
but it does indeed show Hanzo hit Gon in the back of the neck and then retract
his hand in one very fast and very swift motion.

Uriel
February 16, 2012, 07:47 PM
Like every ninja should :derp

Noonealive
February 16, 2012, 08:09 PM
Or assassin.. =[] lol

CrimsonChaos
February 16, 2012, 11:09 PM
Thanks Uriel for the GIFs xD and He is a ninja indeed *0*


Just out of curiosity, what does that last one mean?
http://i.imgur.com/EVz7R.jpg

It's mean ugh!! the similar sound to the one in the anime :D

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Wow isn't this the first time that one episode had been discussed for 7 pages!!??

Just....wow!!:zomg

Since it is 2 days left until next episode ..... Episode 20!!! :D

Episode 20:
2nd fight : Kurapica Vs Hisoka
3rd fight : Hanzo Vs Pokkle
4th fight : Hisoka Vs Bodoro
5th fight : Killua Vs Pokkle
6th fight : Killua Vs Gittarackur aka Illumi


Which Fight do you looking forward to? xD
For those who are new you can watch ep.19 tournament table and discuss which fight do you looking forward to?

Crude
February 17, 2012, 06:21 AM
It also won't be the last time. I think the Hisoka vs Kastro episode will generate even more discussion.

MegamanX195
February 17, 2012, 06:41 AM
I think...

Nen in general will generate a lot of discussion (animation, sound effects), too. Probably more than this episode.

mrsticky005
February 17, 2012, 11:55 AM
Like every ninja should :derp

Yeah, though I almost feel it's TOO fast. But thanks for posting the gifs and clarifying.






Thanks Uriel for the GIFs xD and He is a ninja indeed *0*



It's mean ugh!! the similar sound to the one in the anime :D

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Wow isn't this the first time that one episode had been discussed for 7 pages!!??

Just....wow!!:zomg

Since it is 2 days left until next episode ..... Episode 20!!! :D

Episode 20:
2nd fight : Kurapica Vs Hisoka
3rd fight : Hanzo Vs Pokkle
4th fight : Hisoka Vs Bodoro
5th fight : Killua Vs Pokkle
6th fight : Killua Vs Gittarackur aka Illumi


Which Fight do you looking forward to? xD
For those who are new you can watch ep.19 tournament table and discuss which fight do you looking forward to?

I wouldn't get my hopes up. Those fights aren't really shown in the manga. They may add filler to include those fights but I wouldn't count on it.





It also won't be the last time. I think the Hisoka vs Kastro episode will generate even more discussion.

Heavens Arena is gonna be great. We're probably just two months away from it.


I think...

Nen in general will generate a lot of discussion (animation, sound effects), too. Probably more than this episode.

It's gonna be sweet.

Crude
February 17, 2012, 03:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cquEnzg0OeQ

This track is just beautiful. I love how well it went together with the scene in which Gon and co. roam the island during the 4th exam. It's probably my favourite track in the whole OST, track 26 coming in a close second (it's the music that plays before the opening). Also, while listening to the OST I found some tracks would fit the Greed Island Arc really well such as tracks 8 and 21.

PS: Track 18 reminds me so much of the intro music in Final Fantasy VII :D

Netero
February 17, 2012, 04:03 PM
This track is just beautiful. I love how well it went together with the scene in which Gon and co. roam the island during the 4th exam. It's probably my favourite track in the whole OST, track 26 coming in a close second (it's the music that plays before the opening). Also, while listening to the OST I found some tracks would fit the Greed Island Arc really well such as tracks 8 and 21.


I agree. Tracks 8, and 21 would definitely be great for the GI arc.

Beans
February 17, 2012, 09:30 PM
http://www.m5zn.com/uploads2/2012/2/17/photo/021712160250i32w9kaiuvv4y8iqq0bmzm25.png

They didn't censor this hit.

mrsticky005
February 18, 2012, 05:09 AM
http://www.m5zn.com/uploads2/2012/2/17/photo/021712160250i32w9kaiuvv4y8iqq0bmzm25.png

They didn't censor this hit.

I know. I saw that it was a hit when Uriel posted the earlier gif.

But thanks for posting each individual screen shot. Now there is no question.

I was wrong about the censorship. Though in my defense it was animated REALLY fast.

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I agree. Tracks 8, and 21 would definitely be great for the GI arc.

I thought 21 would fit well with the Auction Arc. It has an exotic sound to it which I think would fit well with the Yorknew City Auction since in a way it's sorta a cultural melting pot. Of course it's mostly crooks and greedy people but there's a good variety of them it seems.

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End of Volume 1---Episode 5 (midway)
End of Volume 2---Episode 9 (midway)
End of Volume 3--Episode 15
End of Volume 4--TBA but most likely midway of episode 20

That's an average of 5 episodes to finish a volume. However keep in mind that this is including the filler and recap episode.
So it should take around a month or 5 weeks to finish up a volume.

So...

Volume 5 should start in March 2012 (Zoldyck arc)
Volume 6 should start in April 2012 (Heavens Arena arc)
Volume 7 should start in May (Heavens Arena arc)
Volume 8 should start in June 2012 (Yorknew Auction Arc)
Volume 9 should start in July (Yorknew Auction Arc)
Volume 10 should start in August (Yorknew Auction Arc)
Volume 11 should start in September (Yorknew Auction Arc)
Volume 12 should start in October (Yorknew Auction Arc)
Volume 13 should start in November 2012 (Greed Island Arc)
Volume 14 should start in December (Greed Island Arc)
Volume 15 should start in January (Greed Island Arc)
Volume 16 should start in February (Greed Island Arc)
Volume 17 should start in March (Greed Island Arc)
Volume 18 should start in April 2013 (Chimera Ant Arc)
Volume 19 should start in May (Chimera Ant Arc)
Volume 20 should start in June (Chimera Ant Arc)
Volume 21 should start in July (Chimera Ant Arc)
Volume 22 should start in August (Chimera Ant Arc)
Volume 23 should start in September (Chimera Ant Arc)
Volume 24 should start in October (Chimera Ant Arc)
Volume 25 should start in November (Chimera Ant Arc)
Volume 26 should start in December (Chimera Ant Arc)
Volume 27 should start in January (Chimera Ant Arc)
Volume 28 should start in Feburary (Chimera Ant Arc)
Volume 29 should start in March (Chimera Ant Arc)
Volume 30 should start in April 2014 (Election Arc)


in comparison

1999 anime

The series began on October 16th 1999

Volume 1 ended with episode 8 on December 4th 1999
Volume 2 ended with episode 14 on January 1st 2000
Volume 3 ended with episode 22 on March 25th 2000
Volume 4 ended with episode 29 on April 27th 2000
Volume 5 ended with Episode 36 on August 8th 2000
Volume 6 ended with Episode 40 on September 9th 2000
Volume 7 ended with Episode 44 on November 4th 2000
Volume 8 ended with Episode 52 on January 13th 2001
Volume 9 ended with Episode 56 on February 10th 2001
Volume 10 ended with Episode 59 on March 3rd 2001
The last episode of the 1999 anime (62) did not finish Volume 11

First OVA

Volume 11 ends with Episode 1 (63) on January 17th 2002
Volume 12 ends with Episode 5 (68) on March 20th 2002
The First OVA ended with Episode 7 (70) on April 17th 2002
It ended less than midway of Volume 13

Second OVA

Volume 13 ends with Episode 3 (73) on March 5th 2003
Volume 14 ends with Episode 8 (78) on April 16th 2003
This also ended the second OVA

Third OVA

Volume 15 ends with Episode 4 (82) on March 3rd 2004
Volume 16 ends with Episode 6 (84) on April 7th 2004
Volume 17 ends with Episode 11 (89) on June 30th 2004
The third OVA ended over halfway of Volume 18 with episode 14 (92) on August 18th 2004


Old anime plus OVAs took over 6 months to finish the Hunter Exam Arc
then it took over 3 months to finish the Zoldyck Arc
then it took over 5 months to finish the Heavens Arena arc
then it took 2 years and a month to finish the Auction arc in the 2nd OVA
then it took 1 year and 5 month to not finish the Greed Island Arc

Total= 4 years and 8 months to get to Chimera Ant Arc (185 chapters)

This is of course including the breaks between the OVAs which may seem
fair but then again that's still the amount of time you had to wait for each episode.

new anime (2011)

Should take over 3 months to finish the Hunter Exam Arc
Should take 1 month to finish the Zoldyck arc
Should take 2 months to finish Heavens Arena
Should take 5 months to finish the Auction Arc
Should take 6 months to finish the Greed Island Arc

Total=1 year and 5 months to get to Chimera Ant Arc (185 chapters)

At the old anime's pace it would take about another 4 years to get to the current chapter

At the new anime (2011) it will take about another year to get to the current chapter

Had the old anime continued at it's pace right after the last episode of OVA 3
the series would have been caught up on August 18th 2008 (not counting Hiatus
from Togashi in the manga) Had it resumed today it would catch up on Feb 18th 2016.
Had the 2011 anime started when OVA 3 ended it would be caught up on Jan 18th 2006.

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Keep in mind when I say if the 2011 anime started when OVA 3 ended I mean starting the entire series over except at the 2011 pace.

So yeah...I'm glad they rebooted the series because I don't want to wait until 2016 to get the current chapter in the anime.

heron bpv
February 18, 2012, 08:00 AM
Someone please make a table of this and share *-*

mrsticky005
February 18, 2012, 04:18 PM
Someone please make a table of this and share *-*

well it's mostly guess work

Noonealive
February 18, 2012, 04:46 PM
Wow that seems quite reasonablie, but next week there isn't going to be an episode, i hope it doesn't happen often... lol

Netero
February 18, 2012, 04:54 PM
Wow that seems quite reasonablie, but next week there isn't going to be an episode, i hope it doesn't happen often... lol

I think it's going on a break next week because of a Japanese holiday.
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2062.html

March 3
Doll's Festival (hina matsuri):
Also called girl's festival.

But I could be wrong lol.

Noonealive
February 18, 2012, 08:18 PM
I think it's going on a break next week because of a Japanese holiday.
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2062.html


But I could be wrong lol.

OOO.. ook.. lol So basically not only this Anime isn't going to be airing?

Netero
February 19, 2012, 12:05 AM
Fantastic! episode this week. This is definitely my favorite episode so far of the new anime, and the background music was amazing!

10/10

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OOO.. ook.. lol So basically not only this Anime isn't going to be airing?

I think HxH is the only anime going on break. Anyways I'm hoping we get a new opening and ending for episode 21. :^_^

mrsticky005
February 19, 2012, 12:21 AM
Fantastic! episode this week. This is definitely my favorite episode so far of the new anime, and the background music was amazing!

10/10

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I think HxH is the only anime going on break. Anyways I'm hoping we get a new opening and ending for episode 21. :^_^


definitely awesome episode this week. 10/10 for me too.
I love how they did the other fights in short bouts. Great fan service there.
Also the animation in the fights looked good...especially Hisoka vs Bodoro.

Illumi's new theme is pretty cool.

CrimsonChaos
February 19, 2012, 12:24 AM
Wow This Ep.20 with Illumi is very creepy, especially the ost of Illumi (i guess it will be used for Zoldyck Family OST) And the fight of Hisoka Vs Bodoro was cool xD Bodoro got beat up with a super punch!!! hehehe

Overall a very good episode xD [There was a censoring with the bodyguard face's needle telling location of Gon] but well, it will be ugly to see it lol xD

thatguy3331
February 19, 2012, 12:28 AM
This episode was better that what I espected, the Ost was pretty nicely matched too! I think the transition into a darker series begins now, we even got to hear gon's pissed voice, witch is nice and intimidating... well, for gon anyway. XD

I do appreciate they gave us a little movement for kurapika vs. hisoka, since I reread the manga chap and realized that nothing was shown of their fight, and I thought "aw damn, still no real action..." I can appreciate minor filler material that makes sense, such as gon's dream sequence which really set the mood for the ep.*of course you know I want some pics of that. (hisoka vide arising again...creepy XD)*

Gotta say this was a pretty flawless ep, I can't really find anything wrong with it. so 10/10 unless something comes up here, which it'll only go down to a 9.5, it was that good.

well next time we may as well change the show's titile temperally and call it this: Gon freaks: FLIP, THAT, BITCH! XD jk

CrimsonChaos
February 19, 2012, 12:32 AM
About the break I don't think it will be break next week, but perhaps a week after it, which is ok too because next week it will be the conclusion of the first Arc Hooray

Conclusion of Hunter Exam Arc

Break!!!

Starting New Arc Zoldyck Family *0*

Noonealive
February 19, 2012, 12:34 AM
Yes this was a great episode enjoyed every minute of it. Definitely a 10/10.
It seems like the cut some of the conversation out but there probably better use for it later on.

where Satots talks about Gon's dad and where he got the 2 star Hunter card

mrsticky005
February 19, 2012, 12:36 AM
If I was gonna nitpick I would want Bodoro's death to be more bloody like the manga was but I'm not going to complain about that since the old anime wasn't bloody there either and it's rather graphic in the manga anyways and we did see a good amount of blood in this episode anyways.

Oh and I just remembered...Satotz didn't talk about Luluka ruins. Next episode maybe?

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Yes this was a great episode enjoyed every minute of it. Definitely a 10/10.
It seems like the cut some of the conversation out but there probably better use for it later on.

where Satots talks about Gon's dad and where he got the 2 star Hunter card

that should be next episode but Satotz was supposed to talk about Luluku ruins this episode.
However it's rather possible that they'll add that in next episode. especially since it will likely revolve around ging

Noonealive
February 19, 2012, 12:39 AM
If I was gonna nitpick I would want Bodoro's death to be more bloody like the manga was but I'm not going to complain about that since the old anime wasn't bloody there either and it's rather graphic in the manga anyways and we did see a good amount of blood in this episode anyways.

Oh and I just remembered...Satotz didn't talk about Luluka ruins. Next episode maybe?

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that should be next episode but Satotz was supposed to talk about Luluku ruins this episode.
However it's rather possible that they'll add that in next episode. especially since it will likely revolve around ging

Oh actually that is right, from the looks of the preview it showed Satots still talking to Gon so yeah your right.

CrimsonChaos
February 19, 2012, 12:53 AM
Oh and I just remembered...Satotz didn't talk about Luluka ruins. Next episode maybe?

That's next episode , it's on Chapter 38 and this episode ends at Ch 37 2nd page

So Next episode going to cover Chapter 37 + Chapter 38

And also Satotz talk to Gon about him is on Next Episode too :D so right now the anime still stay true to the manga xD

MegamanX195
February 19, 2012, 02:11 AM
This episode... was just... awesome.

Honestly, I thought Gon and Killua VS Netero in the ball game was the best episode yet, but this just brought the new anime to a whole new level! It was like I was watching/reading it for the first time again! Absolutely flawless!

If I HAD, definitely HAD, to say something bad about the episode, it would be Gon's dream. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't awesome like the rest of the episode. It was just... there.

ankifeather
February 19, 2012, 03:12 AM
If I HAD, definitely HAD, to say something bad about the episode, it would be Gon's dream. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't awesome like the rest of the episode. It was just... there.

I thought the dream was awesome in starting the episode with an ominous atmosphere... its definitely better than having to listen to that boring narrator who gives a recap at the beginning of every episode

I thought this episode was pretty flawless...the only thing i wished it had also done was flood the room with red sunset light like in the original anime as it will make the whole atmosphere more spookier..Killua vs Ilumi were near the last round so it should be late afternoon or sunset by then

I realised they decided to move Satoz's story about the ruins and Ging to the next episode, which will go well with Gon showing him Ging's license , but the problem is in the manga Gon explained the license was left behind by Kaito and gave Satoz Kaito's contact..... I wonder whether that means the anime will finally show us Gon's encounter with Kaito or will they skip Kaito's part altogether and leave it till later (because the preview does not indicate any scene of Gon's past)

Noonealive
February 19, 2012, 03:38 AM
I realised they decided to move Satoz's story about the ruins and Ging to the next episode, which will go well with Gon showing him Ging's license , but the problem is in the manga Gon explained the license was left behind by Kaito and gave Satoz Kaito's contact..... I wonder whether that means the anime will finally show us Gon's encounter with Kaito or will they skip Kaito's part altogether and leave it till later (because the preview does not indicate any scene of Gon's past)

Yeah it does seem like they're going to talk about Ging instead of Kaito in the next episode, as you said the preview didn't indicate anything about Kaito but you never know, it might be intertwined with the conversation with Satotz. He said he wasn't done speaking to Gon near the end of the episode. This is one of the relative parts where Kaito could be presented but we just have to wait and see.

Beans
February 19, 2012, 04:58 AM
Gon's dream was somehow in the Manga
http://i37.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/35/hunter-x-hunter-1640851.jpg
This was a great episode, I give it 9.5/10

Uriel
February 19, 2012, 06:23 AM
I would LOVE if the the three pictures of Kurapika and Hisoka fight wouldn't be THAT static. I would enjoy that filler be a bit more dynamic. Overall, it was good. Finally we're closer to better arcs <3

mrsticky005
February 19, 2012, 08:39 AM
Oh actually that is right, from the looks of the preview it showed Satots still talking to Gon so yeah your right.

In the manga Satotz talks to Gon once when he wakes up and then again after
when Gon shows him the license card he got from Kite which actually belongs to Ging.

It will be rather interesting to see how they plan on doing that scene.
Since they skipped Kite's introduction earlier.

Hope they don't skip it. But I do think next episode will center around Ging.


That's next episode , it's on Chapter 38 and this episode ends at Ch 37 2nd page

So Next episode going to cover Chapter 37 + Chapter 38

And also Satotz talk to Gon about him is on Next Episode too :D so right now the anime still stay true to the manga xD

I know. I'm just saying Satotz was supposed to talk to him about Luluku ruins THIS episode. But if they just push it to next episode when Satotz will be talking about
Ging anyways well then I'm fine with that.


This episode... was just... awesome.

Honestly, I thought Gon and Killua VS Netero in the ball game was the best episode yet, but this just brought the new anime to a whole new level! It was like I was watching/reading it for the first time again! Absolutely flawless!

If I HAD, definitely HAD, to say something bad about the episode, it would be Gon's dream. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't awesome like the rest of the episode. It was just... there.

I thought the dream was a good set up in a way. Gon does suddenly wake up
in the beginning of the chapter and it being a nightmare about not being able
to reach his father helps to build his character and it's good timing with him
having just been beaten up by Hanzo and probably feeling like he lost the exam.
Plus since it's on the chapter cover it's technically canon.


I thought the dream was awesome in starting the episode with an ominous atmosphere... its definitely better than having to listen to that boring narrator who gives a recap at the beginning of every episode

I thought this episode was pretty flawless...the only thing i wished it had also done was flood the room with red sunset light like in the original anime as it will make the whole atmosphere more spookier..Killua vs Ilumi were near the last round so it should be late afternoon or sunset by then

I realised they decided to move Satoz's story about the ruins and Ging to the next episode, which will go well with Gon showing him Ging's license , but the problem is in the manga Gon explained the license was left behind by Kaito and gave Satoz Kaito's contact..... I wonder whether that means the anime will finally show us Gon's encounter with Kaito or will they skip Kaito's part altogether and leave it till later (because the preview does not indicate any scene of Gon's past)

I like the dream but I also like the narrator however sometimes the narration isn't
so great. Like when he was saying Gon was angry. Well...yeah. I dunno if it felt a bit
unnecessary. But whatever.

Actually I'm quite happy they DIDN'T try to make it spooky.
And I dunno if it would be that late. The fights were pretty short
and in the manga they were nonexistent. Only the 1999 anime
had them be longer.

Yeah it's going to be interesting to see how they plan on pulling it off.




Yeah it does seem like they're going to talk about Ging instead of Kaito in the next episode, as you said the preview didn't indicate anything about Kaito but you never know, it might be intertwined with the conversation with Satotz. He said he wasn't done speaking to Gon near the end of the episode. This is one of the relative parts where Kaito could be presented but we just have to wait and see.

the next two corresponding chapters are Light and Darkness Part 3 and Ging Freecss
so if it's NOT about Ging then that's just crazy. Plus the dream sequence HIGHLY
suggests so. Plus what better way to return from the break then to kick it off
with a Ging related episode. It will be a good reminder of WHY Gon is taking the exam.




Gon's dream was somehow in the Manga
http://i37.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/35/hunter-x-hunter-1640851.jpg
This was a great episode, I give it 9.5/10

this makes me love the episode even more


I would LOVE if the the three pictures of Kurapika and Hisoka fight wouldn't be THAT static. I would enjoy that filler be a bit more dynamic. Overall, it was good. Finally we're closer to better arcs <3

true but it went by quick so I thought it was fine. And I think Hisoka v Bodoro made up for it.


Oh and it turns out Satotz DOES talk about Luluku ruins again in the chapter Ging Freecss

Divinenega
February 19, 2012, 09:48 AM
Pretty awesome episode. I like how they managed to produce a darker atmosphere than normal without using a sunset lighting like with the 99' version. Thing with Illumi's eyes looked pretty cool too, and I loved the shots where Killua went crazy on Boldero. Poor guy.

On a different note, I noticed Illumi's theme (?) wasn't in the first soundtrack so here's hoping that we'll get darker music like that in the second soundtrack. I think there's a possibility Kaito will be mentioned next episode, or at the very least soon. One of the songs on the first soundtrack is called "Kaito's theme"(and was actually used in this week's episode for some reason) so that should at least put to rest the crazy theory that Madhouse is trying to erase him from the anime entirely.

Pokymonn
February 19, 2012, 09:48 AM
This episode has been splendidly animated, but as the plot progresses I keep wondering if they are going to change the timeslot.

Crude
February 19, 2012, 10:34 AM
I kinda liked the way the fights were done in the first anime better, but this was still a great episode. Kurapika vs Hisoka was a little static yes, but Hisoka vs Bodoro had some pretty fluid animation and was cool. I loved the Latin chorus that played during Killua vs Illumi, it was pretty badass and sounded ominous. I still don't like the way Illumi's face is drawn in this anime though, I think it could look a little better. And the dream sequence at the beginning of the episode was a cool reference to the chapter cover!



On a different note, I noticed Illumi's theme (?) wasn't in the first soundtrack so here's hoping that we'll get darker music like that in the second soundtrack. I think there's a possibility Kaito will be mentioned next episode, or at the very least soon. One of the songs on the first soundtrack is called "Kaito's theme"(and was actually used in this week's episode for some reason) so that should at least put to rest the crazy theory that Madhouse is trying to erase him from the anime entirely.

Just out of curiosity, which track is this? Could you tell me the track's number?

Popo
February 19, 2012, 11:36 AM
I think there's a possibility Kaito will be mentioned next episode, or at the very least soon. One of the songs on the first soundtrack is called "Kaito's theme"(and was actually used in this week's episode for some reason) so that should at least put to rest the crazy theory that Madhouse is trying to erase him from the anime entirely.
Wait, what? There isn't a "Kite's Theme" on the OST.

mrsticky005
February 19, 2012, 12:59 PM
I kinda liked the way the fights were done in the first anime better, but this was still a great episode. Kurapika vs Hisoka was a little static yes, but Hisoka vs Bodoro had some pretty fluid animation and was cool. I loved the Latin chorus that played during Killua vs Illumi, it was pretty badass and sounded ominous. I still don't like the way Illumi's face is drawn in this anime though, I think it could look a little better. And the dream sequence at the beginning of the episode was a cool reference to the chapter cover!



Just out of curiosity, which track is this? Could you tell me the track's number?

I prefer this one. The old anime had longer fights and drama wise they were cool
but it was like watching old people fight (this isn't counting Gon vs Hanzo nor Killua vs Illumi). The fights here are shorter but much more intense. Not as dramatic as the 1999 version but I like it better as it's not dragged out.

to give an example...

Hisoka vs Bodoro in 1999 was more dramatic because it really emphasized the point that Hisoka is a million times stronger than Bodoro but yet Bodoro fought on. However it
was kinda silly in a way with Hisoka just fighting with his pinky. Not very exciting.

The 2011 version is less dramatic because it spends less time on it. but the action is a lot cooler. especially when Hisoka twisted his wrist. That was pretty vicious. :)

Also Illumi's face is actually drawn closer to the manga than the 1999 anime.
His eyes are more narrow in the 1999 version then they are in 2011 or manga.

Crude
February 19, 2012, 01:19 PM
I know that Illumi's face in the 2011 anime is closer to the manga but I think they could've improved upon it just like they did with some other characters. For example, Gon, Killua, Kurapika and Leorio have designs based on Togashi's style in the 2011 anime with the anime team having improved their designs. In other words, the 2011 anime's drawings are based on Togashi's style only better looking than the manga.

Sea Hunter
February 19, 2012, 05:00 PM
Gon's dream was somehow in the Manga
http://i37.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/35/hunter-x-hunter-1640851.jpg
This was a great episode, I give it 9.5/10

Thnx for this i didn't realize that.
Nice episode but i really was looking forward to Kurapica vs Hisoka :mad

mrsticky005
February 19, 2012, 05:29 PM
Thnx for this i didn't realize that.
Nice episode but i really was looking forward to Kurapica vs Hisoka :mad

Here it is :teehee

http://anymanga.com/manga/hunter-x-hunter/004/009/017.png

wait did you miss it?

It was the third panel

where absolutely nothing happens.

expecting a bit more? sorry

Netero
February 19, 2012, 05:48 PM
Here it is :teehee

http://anymanga.com/manga/hunter-x-hunter/004/009/017.png

wait did you miss it?

It was the third panel

where absolutely nothing happens.

expecting a bit more? sorry
This made me lol. :derp

Divinenega
February 19, 2012, 06:14 PM
Wait, what? There isn't a "Kite's Theme" on the OST.

Never mind. On youtube it was being called "Kaito's theme" but apparently it's Killua's.

Netero
February 19, 2012, 09:39 PM
I think it's going on a break next week because of a Japanese holiday.
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2062.html


But I could be wrong lol.

Just Ignore this post. I got the dates mixed up I thought HxH was going on break March 3rd, but it's actually being postponed to March 3rd. So I have no clue why it's going on a break next weekend lol.

Noonealive
February 19, 2012, 10:18 PM
Just Ignore this post. I got the dates mixed up I thought HxH was going on break March 3rd, but it's actually being postponed to March 3rd. So I have no clue why it's going on a break next weekend lol.

It's because NTV got the rights to live broadcast a Japan Marathon race and the race is at the time when HxH is usually shown. Out of all the the shows.. lol

Netero
February 19, 2012, 10:24 PM
It's because NTV got the rights to live broadcast a Japan Marathon race and the race is at the time when HxH is usually shown. Out of all the the shows.. lol

Thanks for letting me know, and yes... out of all the shows that air on Saturday mornings it had to be HxH lol.

CrimsonChaos
February 20, 2012, 02:42 AM
Thnx for this i didn't realize that.
Nice episode but i really was looking forward to Kurapica vs Hisoka :mad
Here it is :teehee

http://anymanga.com/manga/hunter-x-hunter/004/009/017.png

wait did you miss it?

It was the third panel

where absolutely nothing happens.

expecting a bit more? sorry

LOL

but I was expecting this one :D

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9831/99441904.png

mrsticky005
February 20, 2012, 02:51 AM
LOL

but I was expecting this one :D

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9831/99441904.png


Well they did show that...though they only showed the bottom part of his face.

I imagine it was half not wanting to animate the part (it would be rather difficult to animate) and half dramatic purposes.
because in a way if the animation isn't done right it's going to look silly and ruin the atmosphere of the rest of the episode.

I still would have liked to see it animated though. but oh well.

still love the episode

Popo
February 20, 2012, 10:12 AM
Early comparison.

Episode 20 of Madhouse's adaptation covers chapters 35 and 36 in the manga, as well as corresponds to episodes 29 and (most of) 30 in Nippon Animation's adaptation. It first aired on February 19, 2012. For the sake of context, episode 30 of the Nippon Animation series first aired on June 3, 2000.

Chapter 35 opens with Gon waking up following the end of his match. He is accompanied by Satotz, who debriefs him about the results of the rest of the matches. The 1999 series changes the type of bandage on his forehead. The rooms all look a bit different. Also, Satotz might be in a rolling chair in the manga.
http://i.imgur.com/aVF08.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/eeCJt.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/tWg1r.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9zSiD.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/5mukm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/GuBJS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NBRPl.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/lVCi5.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/tQumS.jpg

Episode 29 of the 1999 series, however, is another story. It begins with the conclusion of the match between Gon and Hanzo and proceeds into the beginning of Hisoka vs. Bodoro (http://i.imgur.com/3zLfy.jpg). I'll explain more in a bit.

Anyways, Satotz tries to congratulate Gon. He holds out his hand to shake the boy's hand, but Gon refuses to initially take it. The dynamic stays this way in the 1999 series throughout their conversation, but Satotz in the manga and 2011 series grabs Gon by the hand and makes him shake his own.
http://i.imgur.com/HJK9R.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/x7ezv.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/HtzZ7.jpg
Satotz' speech is very different in Nippon Animation's version. In it, he chastises Gon for his reckless behavior and sort of teaches him a lesson. This might be a major issue in Gon's characterization in that version. I don't like the dynamic because Satotz is acting as if he's Gon's parent and the boy takes those words to heart in the 1999 series. Because this never happens in the manga, Gon doesn't actually learn anything from his match with Hanzo. This is important. Below are the two versions of Satotz' speech--one from the manga/2011 series and the other from the 1999 series:



Manga/Madhouse Version (2011):
(Satotz extends his hand to Gon in a gesture.)
Gon: "Mr. Satotz... I"
Satotz: "You can't."
(Satotz grabs Gon's hand and forces it to shake his own.)
Satotz: "Just as someone who has failed the exam can no longer pass, someone who has passed the exam can no longer fail. The rest is up to you."
"If you feel you are unqualified to be a pro, you are free to destroy or put away your license. You can even sell it, since no one else will be able to use it. Even so, there are plenty of people willing to pay a fortune to get their hands on a card like that [this line is missing from the 2011 series]. However, a person who has passed the exam will not be allowed to take it again. Thanks to our predecessors' efforts, Professional Hunters are treated well. Hence, there are many applicants who harbor ill intentions. If it weren't for them, we would accept every person who applied. Most professional Hunters this card more valuable than their own lives, yet no more than a worthless scrap of paper at the same time. And the most important thing is what you accomplish...once you become a Hunter, that is."
Gon (2011): "What I accomplish..."
Satotz (2011): "Gon, you can decide for yourself when you're ready to use this card. I have faith in your judgment."
Gon: "Okay. A lot of people helped me reached this point. I'll use this once I've returned the favor!"
Satotz: "So then, once again I'd like to congratulate you on becoming a Hunter."
Gon: "Thank you. Mr. Satotz!"

Nippon Animation Version (1999):
Satotz (1999): "Let me give you a piece of advice: It's okay to push your way through sometimes, but there's a right time, a place, and a situation for everything. You could end up with irreversible consequences if you fail to grasp that. You only have one life, after all."
Gon (1999): *solemnly said* "Yeah..."
(Satotz extends his hand to Gon in a gesture.)
Gon (1999): "Mr. Satotz... I"
Satotz (1999): "No you can't!"
"Just as someone who has failed the exam can no longer pass, someone who has passed the Exam can no longer fail. The same goes for you. The rest is up to you."
"You have what it takes to become a Hunter. This has been proven during the course of the Exam."
Gon (1999): "But I lost to Hisoka...and I couldn't beat Hanzo either." (apparently it's common knowledge that Gon took Hisoka's badge in the 1999 series)
"I don't deserve it. I only passed the Exam because they all felt sorry for me."
Satotz (1999): "And is that really so terrible?"

*Commercial Break*

Satotz (1999): "(Satotz says this in a strict, chastizing manner) Let me be completely honest with you, Gon. Miss Menchi and Buhara didn't see anything exceptional in your performance at the end of the Second Phase."
"The fact that you're only twelve years old is remarkable. However, all applicants are considered equal in the Hunter Exam. I believe no one, including myself, ever expected you to get this far."
Gon (1999): "I guess you're right. It must've just been dumb luck, right?"
Satotz (1999): "However, you have proven us all completely wrong. Gon... do you know what the Final Phase is all about?"
Gon (1999): "Huh? Well, that's...um..."
Satotz (1999): "It isn't about winning or losing. It tests something more than that. And you managed to answer correctly to Mr. Chairman's test."
"That's why you passed."
Gon (1999): "Huh? ...I don't get it."
Satotz (1999): "It's okay if you don't understand. Sometimes we don't fully unterstand the Chairman's true intentions. Let me explain to you the details."
"Regardless of how you feel about it, you will be issued a license card."
Gon (1999): "A Hunter...card."
Satotz (1999): "The license card that will be proof of you being a Hunter. And what you do with it is entirely up to you. Needless to say, passing the Exam is not the goal, but just the beginning. If you don't think you're worthy of being a Hunter, you are free to destroy or put away your license. You can even sell it. The most others can do with it is to use it as a display. Even so, there are plenty of people willing to pay a fortune to get their hands on a card like that. You could sell it and spend a lifetime in luxury...or seven lifetimes. However, once you've passed the exam, you can never take it again. Thanks to our predecessors' efforts, Professional Hunters are treated well. Hence, there are many applicants who harbor ill intentions. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't mind passing all applicants...so says the Chairman. Most professional Hunters this card more valuable than their own lives, yet no more than a worthless scrap of paper at the same time. And the most important thing is what you accomplish once you become a Hunter. If you feel like you've taken on debts, it's okay if you take your time to repay them. What's important is what you do in the future from here and what you hope to accomplish."
Gon (1999): "The most important thing is what I do in the future from here... I remember my friends that saying the same thing to me before, but I guess I didn't really know what they meant."
Satotz (1999): "Like I said in the beginning, there's a right time for everything. You may know something, but you won't realize it until the time is right. Or understand it, yes? But it seems as if you've made some good friends, haven't you? I hope you appreciate them because true friends are as hard to come by as having true talents."
Gon (1999): *Smiles* "Of course!"
Satotz (1999): He managed to make such good friends during this grueling Exam. And there's his extraordinary will power...Just what is this kid made of...?

... (skipping ahead)

Satotz (1999): "Well then, Gon. This is your license card."
Gon (1999): "My...card."
Satotz: "Gon, you can decide for yourself when you're ready to use this card. I have faith in your judgment."
Gon (1999): "Yeah. I only got this card because a lot of people have helped me reach this point. And I have so many debts to repay to their hands. And so...I'll start using it after I've returned the favor to everyone!"
Satotz (1999): "Yes. So then, once again I'd like to congratulate you on becoming a Hunter."
Gon (1999): "Thank you."

Interestingly enough, both conversations diverge from the manga in their last few lines by skipping a scene (though the Nippon animation version simply moves those lines slightly later in the conversation). Satotz and Gon talk about something in the manga and 1999 series that hasn't been addressed in the 2011 series yet, but I won't go too far into it because the preview indicates that the end of their talk might occur in the next episode.

Though I believe Satotz's comments about initially underestimating Gon in Nippon Animation's version (as well as his last comments in the above dialogue) only serve to show the director's choice in making him the flawless boy wonder of the story.

This one of the major issues that the 1999 series had in characterizing Gon. They're trying too hard to have every character in the story say how special Gon really is; how talented and mysterious. This gets the studio in a bit of trouble during the Yorknew City arc.

There's also something that's bothersome about another of Satotz' added lines in the Nippon Animation version, but I won't be specific until my next comparison. I'll give you a hint--it has to do with Satotz's line referencing Menchi and Buhara. Figure it out yourselves--you're Hunters, aren't you? ;)

The Hunter's License looks different between anime series. It's green with a red back in the 1999 series, whereas both sides are blue in the 2011 series. Due to the 2011 series postponing the flashback in the first chapter about Gon's past, this is the first time that viewers see a Hunter's License in the series. This is the first time in which the fixed Hunters Association logo makes an appearance in the 1999 series.
http://i.imgur.com/UEqhw.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/K5w5b.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/qVK0q.jpg
If someone wants to decode the written text on the 2011 series' version of the license so I can translate it, be my guest ;)

Now we get to the meat and potatoes--the rest of the Exam. Who failed and who passed? None of the versions do the subtle reveal of who failed the exam. Togashi draws Killua in on the next page (http://i42.tinypic.com/35am5u0.jpg) but doesn't overtly say he failed (and it's a different image from the bloody one). The 2011 series moves the scene in which mentions Killua's failure right here. The 1999 series doesn't show Killua's bloody hand until the next episode, and even then it's censored by being placed in shadow.
http://i.imgur.com/DIAY0.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/yGQx9.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/pYBgz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GZe9r.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/9wSxK.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/SQRAz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hMMnZ.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/hm5o6.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/b4for.jpg

In the 1999 series, Gon's heart starts to ache once he hears that Killua failed. From this point onward, his heart continually races while listening to Satotz' story. Listening to the story is a more emotionally taxing affair on Gon in the 1999 series.
http://i.imgur.com/NxyPK.jpg
Satotz (1999): "What's wrong?"
Gon (1999): "I'm fine...It's gone now."
Satotz (1999): "It's probably the stress."
Gon (1999): "But above that...!"
Satotz (1999): "I understand. Let me go back a little and start from the beginning of the third round..."

So then Satotz proceeds by talking about what occurred directly after Gon passed out. The order of the matches in the Final Phase are as follows:
Round 1: Gon vs. Hanzo
Round 2: Kurapika vs. Hisoka
Round 3: Hanzo vs. Pokkle
Round 4: Hisoka vs. Bodoro
Round 5: Killua vs. Pokkle
Round 6: Leorio vs. Bodoro
Round 7: Killua vs. Gittarackur

The 1999 series completely changes them. This won't be the first time in which the order of events is altered in Nippon Animation's version.
Round 1: Kurapika vs. Hisoka
Round 2: Gon vs. Hanzo
Round 3: Hisoka vs. Bodoro
Round 4: Hanzo vs. Pokkle
Round 5: Leorio vs. Bodoro
Round 6: Killua vs. Pokkle
Round 7: Killua vs. Gittarackur

Kurapika's fight against Hisoka is animated first in episode 26 of the Nippon Animation version.
http://i.imgur.com/VwIn8.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/vE9Vq.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/fs2YZ.jpg

The 1999 series removes the cut on Kurapika's cheek and elongates the battle in the manga--despite Togashi only drawing in three panels of non-combative scenes to represent their match. It isn't a very good episode--it's visually unimpressive and the dialogue is terribly generic (and largely consists of rewritten versions of statements made in the past by characters).

Come to think of it, don't you find the Final Phase of the Hunter Exam to be a complete letdown? It was supposed to be this big martial-arts tournament promising some unlikely matchups, but the manga offers no fighting at all while the 2011 series shortens it to short and still frames. Again, this disappointment is Togashi's intent. As Gon said, the Final Phase tested one's own will rather than physical capability. The most important details readers and viewers are supposed to note from each match are in the conversations. I'll go into more detail later.

Killua says something to Hanzo that throws off Hisoka, Kurapika, and Leorio. He asks him "Why did you forfeit the match? I'm sure that you know ways to make Gon surrender without killing him." The three characters I mentioned are then shocked that Killua would say something like that--especially since it had been assumed that he and Gon had gotten closest to each other out of everyone in the exam. In the 1999 series, all of the contestants glare at Hanzo instead. The Nippon Animation version also places this scene immediately after Hanzo knocks Gon unconscious. This is a mistake because this flashback should be emphasized--everything that transpires in Satotz's description of the Final Phase to Gon is very important.
http://i.imgur.com/gAk9I.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/NkaIK.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/SEKzn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GSBT9.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/C3CZd.jpg

Hanzo's final line to Killua is changed in the 1999 series:
Hanzo (Manga/2011): "I guess you could say that he won me over. If you need a reason, there you go."
Hanzo (1999): "I guess you could say that he won me over. I couldn't fight him anymore. A good enough reason to lose...It wasn't on purpose."

So in the 1999 series, this scene transitions into the beginning of Hisoka vs Bodoro and then cuts to Gon waking up in bed. More Hisoka vs. Bodoro is placed when Satotz begins telling Gon about the Final Phase in the 1999 series. Menchi gets really mad at anyone with confidence in themselves in the 1999 series; she sees it as cockiness. She HATES Hanzo and dislikes Killua. There are some really generic comments on the sidelines for this match:

Menchi (1999): "For an old guy, he sure has a lot of fight in him!"
Satotz (1999): "It all comes down to having a fighting spirit."

Finally, Killua vs. Gittarackur. He reveals his true identity to be that of Illumi Zoldyck--Killua's older brother.
http://i.imgur.com/vyc5J.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/ltd7l.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/jhdhj.jpg

Episode 29 (1999) ends, Episode 20 (2011) goes to commercial, and that's the end of part 1 of this comparison. Part 2 later.

Uriel
February 20, 2012, 10:54 AM
You know, something I always DO remember is Satotz speech of Nippon series. I always thought He was an uncle since I heard it, it's funny you mention his parental figure :P

I was disappointed later when I was unable to see his Nen because I truly believed He was a main character.

Diivil
February 20, 2012, 11:06 AM
Amazing comparison as always!

mrsticky005
February 20, 2012, 12:55 PM
You know, something I always DO remember is Satotz speech of Nippon series. I always thought He was an uncle since I heard it, it's funny you mention his parental figure :P

I was disappointed later when I was unable to see his Nen because I truly believed He was a main character.

Satotz has always been a favorite of mine. Simply for the fact he has an insane amount
of endurance and how he don't take no crap from Hisoka while even Menchi a single
star hunter got the heebie jeebies from Hisoka. I would love to see Satotz fight

Netero
February 20, 2012, 03:26 PM
The 1999 series added a lot of corny lines... lol. Also thanks again Popo.

Popo
February 20, 2012, 03:33 PM
Illumi. This blog post (http://blog.hachimitsu.org/2012/02/20/hunter-x-hunter-20-he-who-surrenders-loses/) is quite interesting. I suggest reading his comparisons between Illumi and the characters from Cat Soup. Nekojiru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nekojiru) seems like the type of artist whom Togashi would draw inspiration from. It's very possible that Illumi is based upon these characters, due to the similarity in disposition and eyes.

The creepy way in which Illumi speaks is different between versions. The 1999 series has Illumi speak in a monotone; he sounds emotionless. But Illumi is supposed to have emotions. His demeanor is creepy because it completely is at odds with his gaze in the manga--his gaze is the monotone whereas his voice and manner of speaking are lively.

The ways in which Illumi's creepiness is emphasized is done differently between versions. The 1999 series makes a motif out of his dark eyes while the 2011 series prefers his hypnotic gaze.
http://i.imgur.com/e7OXO.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/aXVHH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IybJX.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/jDtun.jpg
The 2011 series directs Illumi's hold on Killua to be almost a sort of weird eye-effect or hypnosis, whereas the 1999 series directs the scene so that Illumi seemingly has the ability to use some ghostly force on him. The room starts to distort when Killua is being hypnotized in the manga/2011 series (lol, it looks like something you'd find on tumblr). In the 1999 series, occasionally a dark mountain will loom behind Illumi and crows will fly about.
http://i.imgur.com/9qcEP.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/2IeUa.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/isfXE.jpg

And finally, a really big moment.
http://i.imgur.com/GFa1S.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/uyONu.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/EHS6j.jpg
This is the first time in the series that you realize what kind of person Killua is supposed to be. You weren't supposed to be sure whether or not he was a "good guy" or "bad guy" because of the many people he's killed (just like Hisoka). He also hasn't ever really said why he's taking the exam in the first place. But his true intentions are revealed and they're so sweet. You start to get a feeling for who he really is.

The 1999 series emotes Killua fantastically when he says that he wants to be friends. Every frame moves. There's also this great organ track played during this scene that's used as the Zoldyck Family theme song in the 1999 series. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkjcSdLnQek) But I personally prefer the 2011 series' song choice during because it's a more bittersweet sounding track, emphasizing the dual nature of Killua's own situation. The track is actually Killua's theme song in the 2011 series--it's entitled "The Silver-Haired Boy."

The 1999 series slightly extends Illumi's conversation with Killua:
Illumi (all): "If you stay by his side, you'll end up wanting to kill him one day. You'll get the urge to see if you can kill him or not. Because you have the soul of a killer."
Killua (1999): "That may be so... But I would never kill Gon. I wanna be his friend. And I'd never kill a friend."
Illumi (1999): "Are you sure?"
Killua (1999): "Yeah."
Illumi (1999): "(sighs) Hey, you know what that is? It's like a kid asking for a dog. They promise they'll take care of it but before long the novelty wears off and the dog gets neglected."

Illumi threatens to kill Gon. Here's how each version portrays Illumi as creepy; though the 1999 series' version is used at an earlier part of the episode instead of immediately after he plans to kill the protagonist.
http://i.imgur.com/Ch9JI.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/JArEc.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/IVphU.jpg
The song that plays during this scene isn't on the OST, but you can bet it's likely the Zoldyck Family theme song. After all, the singers are clearly saying "Zoldyck."

Illumi's needles don't massively deform this referee's face in the 1999 series. Also, Illumi is given a line afterwards that lets the audience know that he'll live:
Illumi (1999): "Don't worry, you're not dying. Your face is just changing a little. But if you don't remove those pins quickly enough, it might never return to normal. Well then."

The 2011 series doesn't show the carnage from the front, but the scene is drawn from behind and does imply massive deformity when the ref's face expands.
http://i.imgur.com/blXRD.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/o4H8B.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/XVkKS.jpg

The ADR during the scene when Leorio is yelling at Killua to fight is fantastic; Killua's shallow breaths are mastered at a louder level than Leorio's yelled encouragement. Madhouse has done a pretty great job directing the sound in this series.
http://i.imgur.com/ROkoY.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/jjU2k.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/vLUm1.jpg

The 1999 series starts doing some pretty great things with the artistry from this point onward. Killua gives up. I like how small his head looks in Illumi's hand in the manga.
http://i.imgur.com/KdefN.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/pgEyN.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/DPxwy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xh9Az.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/pSIYS.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/01aQB.jpg
I don't like the way Illumi says "I lied" in the adaptation done in 1999. The 1999 series does this thing where characters frequently split certain words into syllables. He says "u-so-da-yo" in the 1999 series; the English equivalent is something like "It-was-just-an-act!" with a pause between each word. The 1999 also does this with the phrase "Hi-mi-tsu!" (lots) which is stereotypically anime-esque way of saying "It's a secret."

Great direction; great song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGzOeL9bNn4).
http://i.imgur.com/LRQQd.jpg

I really like this. The use of blur is great. The sound is great, again. I like the song and the background noise is sounds like a jet turbine rushing through a hangar. Very tense.
http://i.imgur.com/KiIuG.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/PDu5o.jpg

The irony of Killua murdering Bodoro, whom refuses to fight children, is not lost. When Bodoro dies in the 1999 series, the violence is told through creative angles and silhouette. Viewers can see Killua's hand go through Bodoro in silhouette. Kurapika is disgusted by Killua's actions.
http://i.imgur.com/LiuJk.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/sWElW.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/7hh2E.jpg

Bodoro doesn't die immediately in the 1999 series; he dies on the way to the hospital--meaning that Killua injures him with his attack instead of killing him on the spot like with Johness. There's no blood spray in either version.
http://i.imgur.com/Jx642.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/jmTLN.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/hngfd.jpg

The scene in which Killua murders Bodoro isn't told in conjunction with Gon running to the orientation in the 1999 series. All three versions have different/added dialogue.
http://i.imgur.com/ArLNE.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/w2tDZ.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/6oXyv.jpg

I love the way that Gon says this last line. I also really like the narrator; it reminds me of the narration in a chapter we'll see animated much further in the future.
http://i.imgur.com/6oXyv.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/9M0bL.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/G7sCL.jpg

mrsticky005
February 20, 2012, 04:11 PM
The 1999 series added a lot of corny lines... lol. Also thanks again Popo.

True. But I don't even think that's a bad thing.
It's just a "not very accurate to the manga" thing.

I know I must put down the 1999 version a lot these days.
But the truth is I still love it. It was pretty much what got me
into Hunter x Hunter. And I think the english dub adds a whole
new sense of fun. I hear people complaining that Illumi has
too much emotion now. But what really is going on is that
the Japanese voice actress from the 1999 version was just dull.
the english dub thankfully gave a lot more personality but
was just as if not even more then cold hearted than the japanese.
this japanese version feels more like the english dub. except
i would say this one sounds less of a jokester and more of a
manipultive bastard. Of course I can't wait for a dub version.

MegamanX195
February 20, 2012, 04:11 PM
The scene in which Satotz kills Bodoro isn't told in conjunction with Gon running to the orientation in the 1999 series. All three versions have different/added dialogue.

Satotz kills Bodoro huh, that's news to me...

Jokes aside, great comparison. Really enjoyed it, and I hated Kurapika's filler fight against Hisoka, upon re-watching it recently. I swear, I've watched the old anime at least 3 times and didn't remember that...

mrsticky005
February 20, 2012, 04:20 PM
Satotz kills Bodoro huh, that's news to me...
.

the truth

Foreva
February 20, 2012, 04:21 PM
The referee who Illumi throws needles at doesn't die. You can see him during the 1st round of the election for the 13th chairman.

http://4.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/44/29-320.0/compressed/h320.011.jpg
(the 5th one of the 9 referees, from top to bottom, right to left)

Netero
February 20, 2012, 04:40 PM
True. But I don't even think that's a bad thing.
It's just a "not very accurate to the manga" thing.

I know I must put down the 1999 version a lot these days.
But the truth is I still love it. It was pretty much what got me
into Hunter x Hunter. And I think the english dub adds a whole
new sense of fun. I hear people complaining that Illumi has
too much emotion now. But what really is going on is that
the Japanese voice actress from the 1999 version was just dull.
the english dub thankfully gave a lot more personality but
was just as if not even more then cold hearted than the japanese.
this japanese version feels more like the english dub. except
i would say this one sounds less of a jokester and more of a
manipultive bastard. Of course I can't wait for a dub version.

Even though I prefer the new anime I still like the 1999 series, heck I even own all the box sets Viz released lol. I know some people hated the dub but I found it enjoyable too, and Brendan Hunter as Hisoka was awesome. :)

heron bpv
February 20, 2012, 04:49 PM
Also, if he died, Illumi would be disqualified, no?

Netero
February 20, 2012, 05:20 PM
I have been listening to this track all day. It's just such a beautiful song and probably my favorite out of the entire OST. :^_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kiZ0FDflc

Sea Hunter
February 20, 2012, 07:51 PM
Here it is :teehee

http://anymanga.com/manga/hunter-x-hunter/004/009/017.png

wait did you miss it?

It was the third panel

where absolutely nothing happens.

expecting a bit more? sorry



I already know that, but i was expecting some action like in the old anime it was really good.

chikkychappy
February 20, 2012, 07:51 PM
i think a lot of people here are overthinking the differences between the 1999 series and the manga, with the intent of downplaying the former. you guys are completely failing to appreciate just how amazing the execution of the 1999 series was, and it is very apparent in this episode where nippon animation's version outclasses even the manga.

Uriel
February 20, 2012, 08:33 PM
I don't think the comparison is to downplay the Nippon one, but to show the differences between Manga and both versions because some fans are too attached to that older series to give the new one a chance.

I actually made the poll a bit tricky, but because I like stats. IMHO both version are different. The approach is differently. I agree that it was the anime who made me read the manga, but it's also truth that I enjoyed the manga more. Some of the things that bothered most in the series were not in the manga at all. Leorio being the main thing about it and body proportions. But that's only me.

I still think it's good, but I can't deny I think 2011 is better.

chikkychappy
February 20, 2012, 08:54 PM
I still think it's good, but I can't deny I think 2011 is better.

in what way? (let's limit ourselves to this episode) 1999 series is better in nearly all aspects: character design,background, coloring, pacing, animation, music, script, mood/atmosphere/tension, storyboarding and overall direction. the only edge 2011 series has is that it's more faithful in the manga, but even then this isn't necessarily an advantage. in fact, i'd argue that the additions made the story more engaging and have better flow, and shows that nippon animation put more effort into it instead of just copying and pasting everything. this is not a knock against madhouse (i don't expect them to include these same fillers), but i'm simply giving credit where it is due rather than dismissing it via overgeneralizations like "it's crap because it's filler."

anyway i don't hate the 2011 series and i don't judge it by the standards of the 1999 series, but i think it should be obvious that the latter is faaaar better in the handling of the current episode. there shouldn't even be any discussion.

Noonealive
February 20, 2012, 09:00 PM
i think a lot of people here are overthinking the differences between the 1999 series and the manga, with the intent of downplaying the former. you guys are completely failing to appreciate just how amazing the execution of the 1999 series was, and it is very apparent in this episode where nippon animation's version outclasses even the manga.

Yes you can say the older series executed the story great but that was its Ultimate downfall. The story got changed, the dialogue was presenting the characters in a different manner and overall it would greatly affect and contradict most of the things that would later happen in the series. That being said it doesn't really matter since the old series is still available to watch. The old one is good, but i appreciate the 2011 version much more.

chikkychappy
February 20, 2012, 09:46 PM
Yes you can say the older series executed the story great but that was its Ultimate downfall. The story got changed, the dialogue was presenting the characters in a different manner and overall it would greatly affect and contradict most of the things that would later happen in the series. That being said it doesn't really matter since the old series is still available to watch. The old one is good, but i appreciate the 2011 version much more.

and again, people are overplaying the significance of the differences between the 1999 series and the manga. the changes are so bloody minor, they're basically just nitpicking

besides, hxh isn't some rocket science. in many ways, it is a work of art, so not everything in the "system" has to add up. it is the viewing experience that matters more.


anyway i think i've vented and enough, this will be my last. :p episode 30 is my third favorite episode in the 1999 series (outside york shin), so i was just frustrated that people overlook all the things it did excellently just because of a few rather minor divergences from the manga.

Uriel
February 20, 2012, 10:19 PM
Only music was better, the rest I still prefer the new one. Animation wise, how the characters were drawn, the backgrounds, mood and tension being subtle in gestures and attention to detail is what made this episode better than the Nippon one.
Although music-sound wise I have to agree that Nippon was better. And that helped a lot to the mood, so I'll go neutral about it.

But the animation particularly was good and the little changes on the expressions are one of those things that buy me over.


And every opinion is respected, you can rage about it as much as you want. As long as you don't disrespect others and don't bother me :derp you've free way.

Salce
February 20, 2012, 10:24 PM
and again, people are overplaying the significance of the differences between the 1999 series and the manga. the changes are so bloody minor, they're basically just nitpicking

besides, hxh isn't some rocket science. in many ways, it is a work of art, so not everything in the "system" has to add up. it is the viewing experience that matters more.


anyway i think i've vented and enough, this will be my last. :p episode 30 is my third favorite episode in the 1999 series (outside york shin), so i was just frustrated that people overlook all the things it did excellently just because of a few rather minor divergences from the manga.
The problem is that for us the changes are significant.

Hunter x Hunter is a manga that explores the psychology of the characters, in a very subtle way. So the way in which the characters are simplified or altered in the 1999 anime is important. To me it's more important than if the scene is placed in a sunset or if the animation is superior in the 1999 version.

chikkychappy
February 20, 2012, 10:26 PM
^example pls

mrsticky005
February 20, 2012, 10:31 PM
I already know that, but i was expecting some action like in the old anime it was really good.

STOP DOING THAT

Seriously this is NOT supposed to be the 1999 anime. So stop expecting it to be.
This 2011 series is meant to follow the manga. Have you ever read it? You should.

Look I don't expect everyone to like this version but if you're gonna complain
do so when it fails to follow the manga NOT when it doesn't follow the 1999
series which failed to follow the manga. I DON'T CARE THAT YOU THINK IT IS
THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD. THE 1999 SERIES FAILED TO FOLLOW
THE MANGA.

Salce
February 20, 2012, 11:10 PM
^example pls
Well, Popo explains it with a lot of details in his comparisons. I now you read them.
But even if you don't go so much into detail, just look at Killua. He is a completely different character in the 1999 version. He is quiet, serious, and seems to have split personality.

mrsticky005
February 20, 2012, 11:13 PM
The referee who Illumi throws needles at doesn't die. You can see him during the 1st round of the election for the 13th chairman.

http://4.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/44/29-320.0/compressed/h320.011.jpg
(the 5th one of the 9 referees, from top to bottom, right to left)

I'm not sure why he would die...weren't those same needles in Illumi's face?
Though I'm sure he was in a great deal of pain. Illumi however is used to such pain.



Even though I prefer the new anime I still like the 1999 series, heck I even own all the box sets Viz released lol. I know some people hated the dub but I found it enjoyable too, and Brendan Hunter as Hisoka was awesome. :)

Brendan Hunter totally stole the show.


Also, if he died, Illumi would be disqualified, no?

What if he dies after Illumi won?


I have been listening to this track all day. It's just such a beautiful song and probably my favorite out of the entire OST. :^_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kiZ0FDflc

Yeah it's a favorite of mine too.


i think a lot of people here are overthinking the differences between the 1999 series and the manga, with the intent of downplaying the former. you guys are completely failing to appreciate just how amazing the execution of the 1999 series was, and it is very apparent in this episode where nippon animation's version outclasses even the manga.

Ok listen up chappy the rabbit. You can like the 1999 series better than the manga
but that doesn't change the fact that the manga came out FIRST and is the ORIGINAL
source material. It doesn't matter how good the 1999 series was. The 2011 version
is NOT meant to follow it but instead the manga. The question you should ask
is which follows the manga better. From what I seen so far--the 2011 series does.


I don't think the comparison is to downplay the Nippon one, but to show the differences between Manga and both versions because some fans are too attached to that older series to give the new one a chance.

I actually made the poll a bit tricky, but because I like stats. IMHO both version are different. The approach is differently. I agree that it was the anime who made me read the manga, but it's also truth that I enjoyed the manga more. Some of the things that bothered most in the series were not in the manga at all. Leorio being the main thing about it and body proportions. But that's only me.

I still think it's good, but I can't deny I think 2011 is better.

They are different. And I actually am glad they are.


in what way? (let's limit ourselves to this episode) 1999 series is better in nearly all aspects: character design,background, coloring, pacing, animation, music, script, mood/atmosphere/tension, storyboarding and overall direction. the only edge 2011 series has is that it's more faithful in the manga, but even then this isn't necessarily an advantage. in fact, i'd argue that the additions made the story more engaging and have better flow, and shows that nippon animation put more effort into it instead of just copying and pasting everything. this is not a knock against madhouse (i don't expect them to include these same fillers), but i'm simply giving credit where it is due rather than dismissing it via overgeneralizations like "it's crap because it's filler."

anyway i don't hate the 2011 series and i don't judge it by the standards of the 1999 series, but i think it should be obvious that the latter is faaaar better in the handling of the current episode. there shouldn't even be any discussion.

No it's not. 2011 character designs beat the 1999 character designs by miles.
I like both backgrounds. It's a different feel to each one so I like them in different ways.
2011 has better coloring. I prefer the bright and vibrant colors as it makes things easy
to see. You must be joking. The pacing on the 1999 series was awful. Only reason
it worked was because it's Hunter x Hunter. Can you imagine watching let's say
Naruto with such pacing with one chapter at a time with fillers? We still be in Part 1!
Animation is better in the 2011 version episode to episode. We haven't gotten to
stuff like Gon vs Hisoka in the 2011 version which is easily one of the best fights
in the 1999 series so we don't know how they'll compare. Music is good in the 1999
version but I like the 2011 version better. It sounds more like hunter music while
the 1999 series sounds more like some sad drama. think about it like this, the 1999
series is about Gon searching for his father and the music fits that drama. The 2011
series is about Gon becoming a hunter and the music fits that adventure.
Script is better in the 2011 version as it more closely follows the manga and didn't
almost ruin Killua's character. Plus Kurapica is less annoying as he's not a stupid
human encyclopedia anymore. Man, that was annoying. The mood/atomsphere/tension
is better in the 2011 series. When Hisoka chokes Gon in the 2011 series and the
music stops it's actually quite freaky. I didn't get that feeling from the 1999 series.
Storyboarding is better in the 2011. Overall direction is better than the 2011 version.
Yes it is better at following the manga like it's supposed to. and IMO the manga
is superior.



Yes you can say the older series executed the story great but that was its Ultimate downfall. The story got changed, the dialogue was presenting the characters in a different manner and overall it would greatly affect and contradict most of the things that would later happen in the series. That being said it doesn't really matter since the old series is still available to watch. The old one is good, but i appreciate the 2011 version much more.

agreed


and again, people are overplaying the significance of the differences between the 1999 series and the manga. the changes are so bloody minor, they're basically just nitpicking

besides, hxh isn't some rocket science. in many ways, it is a work of art, so not everything in the "system" has to add up. it is the viewing experience that matters more.


anyway i think i've vented and enough, this will be my last. :p episode 30 is my third favorite episode in the 1999 series (outside york shin), so i was just frustrated that people overlook all the things it did excellently just because of a few rather minor divergences from the manga.

Making Killua into an emo isn't a minor change. Yes most changes are minor but they
do add up. And so what if we nitpick? We're manga lovers! That's our job! Don't think
we're just hatin on the 1999 series because we nitpick the 2011 version too.
But as it stands the 2011 version does a better job of following the manga.
Even YOU admit this. Now could it all go down hill? Sure but let's hope not.



Only music was better, the rest I still prefer the new one. Animation wise, how the characters were drawn, the backgrounds, mood and tension being subtle in gestures and attention to detail is what made this episode better than the Nippon one.
Although music-sound wise I have to agree that Nippon was better. And that helped a lot to the mood, so I'll go neutral about it.

But the animation particularly was good and the little changes on the expressions are one of those things that buy me over.


And every opinion is respected, you can rage about it as much as you want. As long as you don't disrespect others and don't bother me :derp you've free way.

I prefer the 2011 music. Even before the brilliant new zoldyck family theme track.



The problem is that for us the changes are significant.

Hunter x Hunter is a manga that explores the psychology of the characters, in a very subtle way. So the way in which the characters are simplified or altered in the 1999 anime is important. To me it's more important than if the scene is placed in a sunset or if the animation is superior in the 1999 version.

this is true.


^example pls



uhm, no. just... no.

but ya okay, your view.

edit: wait, have you even watched it recently? just curious.

have you read Popo's comparisons? Popo does a pretty good job of
showing how the differences affect the story and characters.

ankifeather
February 20, 2012, 11:37 PM
in what way? (let's limit ourselves to this episode) 1999 series is better in nearly all aspects: character design,background, coloring, pacing, animation, music, script, mood/atmosphere/tension, storyboarding and overall direction. the only edge 2011 series has is that it's more faithful in the manga, but even then this isn't necessarily an advantage. in fact, i'd argue that the additions made the story more engaging and have better flow, and shows that nippon animation put more effort into it instead of just copying and pasting everything. this is not a knock against madhouse (i don't expect them to include these same fillers), but i'm simply giving credit where it is due rather than dismissing it via overgeneralizations like "it's crap because it's filler."


Yes you can say the older series executed the story great but that was its Ultimate downfall. The story got changed, the dialogue was presenting the characters in a different manner and overall it would greatly affect and contradict most of the things that would later happen in the series. That being said it doesn't really matter since the old series is still available to watch. The old one is good, but i appreciate the 2011 version much more.

and again, people are overplaying the significance of the differences between the 1999 series and the manga. the changes are so bloody minor, they're basically just nitpicking

besides, hxh isn't some rocket science. in many ways, it is a work of art, so not everything in the "system" has to add up. it is the viewing experience that matters more.


anyway i think i've vented and enough, this will be my last. :p episode 30 is my third favorite episode in the 1999 series (outside york shin), so i was just frustrated that people overlook all the things it did excellently just because of a few rather minor divergences from the manga.

I agree that I don't understand why people say the fillers in the 1999 version contradicts later events in the manga like its a downfall. Can someone point out a filler that is totally contradictory to the manga itself? I actually felt that some of the fillers fill in plot holes and empty spaces that Togashi left in the manga himself. You can tell when HxH manga started, he had so many wonderful ideas that he is moving the story at a fast pace and leaving deeper character development till later arcs. All the fillers did was bring them earlier in the 1999 anime so the audiences can feel for the characters better. A good example is the Leorio and hallucination tree and Lelute's change to a psychiatric killer. In the manga, even till this day, all we get of his background is his friend's death sparking his desire to be a doctor. That's it,we don't get further insights, making him a rather under-developed character. The hallucination tree and Lelute brought out his internal struggles and makes his desire to be a hunter/doctor more real and convincing. The hallucination tree episode also gives Kurapica and Leorio a reason to save Killua, because he once saved them, albeit out of boredom. Otherwise, in the manga they've barely interacted with Killua other than a few chat in the first and third exam, they don't have a reason to want to save him. They feel sorry for him alright, but that itself is not deep enough a reason to risk their life to visit the Zoldycks. These are plot holes that the fillers did a good job of explaining.

While Madhouse have done nothing wrong in copying and pasting the manga and I don't want them to add fillers cause i do like the fast pace, I couldn't help but sometimes feel that they've just managed to copy the form but not the spirit, like they just colour-in the manga, stuff on some random BGM, but haven't done much to enhance the manga scene nor given deep thoughts about the feelings of the events. The episodes where I felt they have gotten the spirit were the ball-game, Gon/Kurapica's fight in the tower, the whole 4th exam and Killua v Illumi. While Killua v Illumi is probably my fave episode of the 2011 version so far, I agree with chikkychappy that same episode in the 1999 version managed to enhance the manga scene into a whole other level. The blood-red lighting emphasises the fact these are not two ordinary brother, but two "assasin" brothers talking, the content involving whether to kill someone. Killua's every hair and sweat were drawn to miniscule details and the music were truly drowning him in a pool of despair.

chikkychappy
February 20, 2012, 11:41 PM
and as many people in NF have already pointed-out, popo's comparisons are biased. she nitpicks and glosses over the most minor details in the 1999 series and then apologizes for the gross shortcomings of the 2011 series. but of course a lot of people here eat it up and consider objective.



No it's not. 2011 character designs beat the 1999 character designs by miles.
I like both backgrounds. It's a different feel to each one so I like them in different ways.
2011 has better coloring. I prefer the bright and vibrant colors as it makes things easy
to see. You must be joking. The pacing on the 1999 series was awful. Only reason
it worked was because it's Hunter x Hunter. Can you imagine watching let's say
Naruto with such pacing with one chapter at a time with fillers? We still be in Part 1!
Animation is better in the 2011 version episode to episode. We haven't gotten to
stuff like Gon vs Hisoka in the 2011 version which is easily one of the best fights
in the 1999 series so we don't know how they'll compare. Music is good in the 1999
version but I like the 2011 version better. It sounds more like hunter music while
the 1999 series sounds more like some sad drama. think about it like this, the 1999
series is about Gon searching for his father and the music fits that drama. The 2011
series is about Gon becoming a hunter and the music fits that adventure.
Script is better in the 2011 version as it more closely follows the manga and didn't
almost ruin Killua's character. Plus Kurapica is less annoying as he's not a stupid
human encyclopedia anymore. Man, that was annoying. The mood/atomsphere/tension
is better in the 2011 series. When Hisoka chokes Gon in the 2011 series and the
music stops it's actually quite freaky. I didn't get that feeling from the 1999 series.
Storyboarding is better in the 2011. Overall direction is better than the 2011 version.
Yes it is better at following the manga like it's supposed to. and IMO the manga
is superior.



then you don't know how to appreciate good direction. blunt, but true. sorry.

i'm done here (for real this time), you can rave over the 2011 series all you want. but i'm confident that a few years from now (unless the 2011 series improves, ofc), the 1999 series will stand far above the 2011 one. the 1999 series has proven its staying power for 12+ years; on the other hand, madhouse's version isn't even one of the best shows in the past two seasons.

mrsticky005
February 21, 2012, 01:04 AM
and as many people in NF have already pointed-out, popo's comparisons are biased. she nitpicks and glosses over the most minor details in the 1999 series and then apologizes for the gross shortcomings of the 2011 series. but of course a lot of people here eat it up and consider objective.




then you don't know how to appreciate good direction. blunt, but true. sorry.

i'm done here (for real this time), you can rave over the 2011 series all you want. but i'm confident that a few years from now (unless the 2011 series improves, ofc), the 1999 series will stand far above the 2011 one. the 1999 series has proven its staying power for 12+ years; on the other hand, madhouse's version isn't even one of the best shows in the past two seasons.

As I said before I nitpick the 2011 series just as well. Popo's comparisons aren't without their bias but they are the best comparisons I've seen.
If not for the fact that they are really the only comparisons I've seen. Really I don't have much of a problem with Popo "defending" the 2011
series when fans of the 1999 series are constantly on the attack simply because the 2011 series is not the 1999 series.
Also those minor details are kinda the point. Although minor is subjective. Things like the order of the final exam fights might not matter to you
but to manga fans they do. And again, I nitpick the 2011 series all the same. I nitpicked it when Killua didn't crush Jonas heart for example.
There I actually prefer the 1999 version. Though I like Jonas design a lot more in the 2011 version. But anywho I nitpick base off the manga.



That's your opinion which isn't a fact.

IMO good direction is following the manga. If it's called Hunter x Hunter that's what I expect. The 2011 series is closer to the manga. That's all.

Ok I will do that. You can go ahead and rave about the 1999 series which believe it or not I do enjoy (I wouldn't own the four boxsets if I didn't
and the only reason I don't own the OVAs is that they are not in English.) But please do so elsewhere. There are a million other 1999 Hunter x Hunter
discussion threads you can join and discuss the anime you DO like and let us who enjoy the 2011 series enjoy it in peace. And if we like it better
than the 1999 series then so what? It's not the end of the world.

chikkychappy
February 21, 2012, 02:33 AM
There are a million other 1999 Hunter x Hunter
discussion threads you can join and discuss the anime you DO like and let us who enjoy the 2011 series enjoy it in peace. And if we like it better
than the 1999 series then so what? It's not the end of the world.

you're absolutely right. i got carried away there, sorry about that. :)


ps i'm not actually one of those overzealous fans who penalize madhouse for not including fillers, but i understand your sentiment as i have seen many of those said fans around.

Noonealive
February 21, 2012, 02:54 AM
I agree that I don't understand why people say the fillers in the 1999 version contradicts later events in the manga like its a downfall. Can someone point out a filler that is totally contradictory to the manga itself? I actually felt that some of the fillers fill in plot holes and empty spaces that Togashi left in the manga himself. You can tell when HxH manga started, he had so many wonderful ideas that he is moving the story at a fast pace and leaving deeper character development till later arcs. All the fillers did was bring them earlier in the 1999 anime so the audiences can feel for the characters better. A good example is the Leorio and hallucination tree and Lelute's change to a psychiatric killer. In the manga, even till this day, all we get of his background is his friend's death sparking his desire to be a doctor. That's it,we don't get further insights, making him a rather under-developed character. The hallucination tree and Lelute brought out his internal struggles and makes his desire to be a hunter/doctor more real and convincing. The hallucination tree episode also gives Kurapica and Leorio a reason to save Killua, because he once saved them, albeit out of boredom. Otherwise, in the manga they've barely interacted with Killua other than a few chat in the first and third exam, they don't have a reason to want to save him. They feel sorry for him alright, but that itself is not deep enough a reason to risk their life to visit the Zoldycks. These are plot holes that the fillers did a good job of explaining.

Look first of all changing someone else story to what they think is "right" to "justify" plot holes is not a good argument. The fillers didn't do anything but change the development of the characters and no the 1999 series didn't bring the development sooner, it complete rerouted the development. When you read through the chapters you don't feel that there is no bond between the 4 of them. Killua being apart of the majority group in the tower was a team effort. Being a part of a team where your life may be on the line isn't forgettable. None the less Kurapika and Leorio feel like they owe Gon because he helped them out in iffy situations, so they would gladly go help Gon bring his freind back. You think Karupika and Leorio are only doing it for Killua's sake when actually they're doing it for Gon as well. These characters aren't one dimensional or else the manga wouldn't have been as enjoyable IMO. When i read it i take every chapter into account on where the plot leads because it's relevant to the decisions these 4 main characters make.

As for rerouteing the series you could obviously look at Popo's comparison posts, they're quite reasonable and easy to understand. Let me give you one prime example what Furhashi did that changed and misinterpreted Gon's character. In the 1999 series when Gon rescued the 3 from the cave Gon put Burbons tag on Ponzu's lap, he waited for Kurapika and Leorio to wake up. This time Ponzu was still asleep and Leorio was the one who ended up taking Ponzu's tag. In the manga/2011 version Gon was the one who stole it. Doesn't this little subtlety alone develop Gon in a different manner? Won't it contradict his personality when he comes across situations as these? Gon's mom isn't confirmed dead either, which is another contradiction that the 1999 series has. Don't get me wrong i fell in love when i watched the 1999 series, but than when i read the manga my whole perspective of it changed. It's a good series but it made more plot holes than sealed them.

mrsticky005
February 21, 2012, 04:54 AM
you're absolutely right. i got carried away there, sorry about that. :)


ps i'm not actually one of those overzealous fans who penalize madhouse for not including fillers, but i understand your sentiment as i have seen many of those said fans around.

It's cool.



Look first of all changing someone else story to what they think is "right" to "justify" plot holes is not a good argument. The fillers didn't do anything but change the development of the characters and no the 1999 series didn't bring the development sooner, it complete rerouted the development. When you read through the chapters you don't feel that there is no bond between the 4 of them. Killua being apart of the majority group in the tower was a team effort. Being a part of a team where your life may be on the line isn't forgettable. None the less Kurapika and Leorio feel like they owe Gon because he helped them out in iffy situations, so they would gladly go help Gon bring his freind back. You think Karupika and Leorio are only doing it for Killua's sake when actually they're doing it for Gon as well. These characters aren't one dimensional or else the manga wouldn't have been as enjoyable IMO. When i read it i take every chapter into account on where the plot leads because it's relevant to the decisions these 4 main characters make.

As for rerouteing the series you could obviously look at Popo's comparison posts, they're quite reasonable and easy to understand. Let me give you one prime example what Furhashi did that changed and misinterpreted Gon's character. In the 1999 series when Gon rescued the 3 from the cave Gon put Burbons tag on Ponzu's lap, he waited for Kurapika and Leorio to wake up. This time Ponzu was still asleep and Leorio was the one who ended up taking Ponzu's tag. In the manga/2011 version Gon was the one who stole it. Doesn't this little subtlety alone develop Gon in a different manner? Won't it contradict his personality when he comes across situations as these? Gon's mom isn't confirmed dead either, which is another contradiction that the 1999 series has. Don't get me wrong i fell in love when i watched the 1999 series, but than when i read the manga my whole perspective of it changed. It's a good series but it made more plot holes than sealed them.


Remember how Leorio used to be a pervert? :derp

Host Samurai
February 21, 2012, 06:39 AM
What the hell happened here, while I was gone?! I just barely survived carnival and missed the entire discussion. :gwah This weeks episode was one of the better ones and the music wasn't that out of place except (Sharingan Illumi -.-): dat Illumi theme is something, I'm looking forward too. :hip

mrsticky005
February 21, 2012, 06:52 AM
What the hell happened here, while I was gone?! I just barely survived carnival and missed the entire discussion. :gwah This weeks episode was one of the better ones and the music wasn't that out of place except (Sharingan Illumi -.-): dat Illumi theme is something, I'm looking forward too. :hip


carnival?

anywho it's nice that one way or another HxH is getting more lively discussions.

ankifeather
February 21, 2012, 07:03 AM
Look first of all changing someone else story to what they think is "right" to "justify" plot holes is not a good argument. The fillers didn't do anything but change the development of the characters and no the 1999 series didn't bring the development sooner, it complete rerouted the development. When you read through the chapters you don't feel that there is no bond between the 4 of them. Killua being apart of the majority group in the tower was a team effort. Being a part of a team where your life may be on the line isn't forgettable. None the less Kurapika and Leorio feel like they owe Gon because he helped them out in iffy situations, so they would gladly go help Gon bring his freind back. You think Karupika and Leorio are only doing it for Killua's sake when actually they're doing it for Gon as well. These characters aren't one dimensional or else the manga wouldn't have been as enjoyable IMO. When i read it i take every chapter into account on where the plot leads because it's relevant to the decisions these 4 main characters make.

As for re-routing the series you could obviously look at Popo's comparison posts, they're quite reasonable and easy to understand. Let me give you one prime example what Furhashi did that changed and misinterpreted Gon's character. In the 1999 series when Gon rescued the 3 from the cave Gon put Burbons tag on Ponzu's lap, he waited for Kurapika and Leorio to wake up. This time Ponzu was still asleep and Leorio was the one who ended up taking Ponzu's tag. In the manga/2011 version Gon was the one who stole it. Doesn't this little subtlety alone develop Gon in a different manner? Won't it contradict his personality when he comes across situations as these? Gon's mom isn't confirmed dead either, which is another contradiction that the 1999 series has. Don't get me wrong i fell in love when i watched the 1999 series, but than when i read the manga my whole perspective of it changed. It's a good series but it made more plot holes than sealed them.

When I read the manga exam arc, I view the protagonists as kinda split in two groups most of the time - Kurapica/Reorio and Gon interaction on one side, Killua and Gon interaction on the other. While the 3rd exam was team effort, Leorio was pretty dismissive of Killua's existence, while Kurapica was somewhat scared of him. I don't deny that Kurapica and Leorio's desire to help Gon was a reason for saving Killua, but the hallucination tree event gave them more solid reason to do so as well as made Reorio's character more convincing. So to me it was a well arranged filler that positively reinforced the original storyline rather than detract from it.

Now some first time watchers this week on other forums commented that they thought Killua's desire to be friends with Gon this week was random, especially when Killua was acting cold towards Gon during the Hanzo fight. To some, Togashi had created a plot hole here, while this hole is somewhat filled by the Anita incidence in the 1999 version, hence why I don't hate that filler as much as some manga fans too. Killua's internal struggle re his strong desire to be Gon's friend vs his insecurities about whether a former assasin can be a good friend is a recurring theme throughout the manga until he finally pulls out the needle in his head. The Anita incidence just introduce that struggle earlier, so I don't see how it reroutes or contradict Killua's later character development and it makes his expression to Ilumi of his desire to make friends less random.

Re taking Ponzu's tag, I think you are trying to say the 1999 version wrongly paints Gon in a more righteous light, but if he really want to be righteous he would have told off Reorio later for taking the tag or made him return it, but he didn't. So he was still willing to see his friend pass at the expense of Ponzu, just like he was willing to let a stranger die so he can steal Hisoka's badge. Gon taking the tag himself would have been more cheeky, but I don't see how this change alters his persona in any major way.

The 2011 version also has its share of changes in filling plot holes, such as Killua switching the tags. I always thought it was weird that a high-class ninja like Hanzo would make the mistake of chasing the wrong tag so the 2011 version gave me a satisfactory explaination, a good example where the animators thought of something clever that Togashi didn't. People shouldn't act like the original manga is so flawless and perfect that every change to it should be frawned upon. You don't have to be 100% exactly the same as the manga to be a faithful adaptation, otherwise there is no point in watching the anime at all. Of course both versions have pointless filler that I can do without too such as the Gon long self-pity after Hisoka's punch and the up-drift in the 2nd exam.

Like I said before I don't expect nor do I want the 1999 version's filler to be recreated in the 2011 version, and equally find those people who trashes the 2011 version just because certain 1999 fillers weren't recreated annoying because they obviously haven't read the manga. But it also gets to me when people respond by saying the 1999 fillers were a downfall, meaningless or unfaithfull, because I felt a lot of them were very well arranged and served to enhance Togashi's story rather than contradict it. Of course I am just stating my personal opinion and is not forcing anyone to agree, and each week after I watch a 2011 episode, I re-read the same manga chapter and 1999 episode for comparison purposes as well. So yes, I do know the differences between the three versions well and can evaluate for myself what I thought each version did right or wrong. I have read some of Popo's comparison, but I don't have to agree with everything in there.

Host Samurai
February 21, 2012, 07:30 AM
STOP DOING THAT

Seriously this is NOT supposed to be the 1999 anime. So stop expecting it to be.
This 2011 series is meant to follow the manga. Have you ever read it? You should.

Look I don't expect everyone to like this version but if you're gonna complain
do so when it fails to follow the manga NOT when it doesn't follow the 1999
series which failed to follow the manga. I DON'T CARE THAT YOU THINK IT IS
THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD. THE 1999 SERIES FAILED TO FOLLOW
THE MANGA.

I agree with you to some extent. The manga is the source material but claiming that the original series completly failed to follow the manga, as you mentioned, that's not so and what's more you know it!


Well, Popo explains it with a lot of details in his comparisons. I now you read them.
But even if you don't go so much into detail, just look at Killua. He is a completely different character in the 1999 version. He is quiet, serious, and seems to have split personality.

That's what he is supposed to be in the early stage of the manga i.e. the Hunter exam. He had these mood changes, until the final phase of the exam, where he broke out of his shell for the first time and told Illumi about his desires (that's why he is a transformation user in the first place).


carnival?

anywho it's nice that one way or another HxH is getting more lively discussions.

Yeah, in Germany where I live in Northrhine Westphalia carnival turns out into a huge drinking festival. I've been drinking since thursday and I'm glad that I didn't wake up in a hospital. hahaha :D

As long as we have some healthy discussions it's alright with me. But this thread has already turned into 1999 vs 2011 thread it'll stay this way until the chimera ant arc.

Uriel
February 21, 2012, 07:57 AM
It will last until Ryodan Arc, I'm sure. That would be fun, though, since that's my favorite arc. This fights keeps the discussion going on and this forum needs more avid posters so I don't mind. I even like flame wars, but I can't allow them due being part of the staff.

And please, people, I'll ask once more: DO NOT ASK TO OTHER PEOPLE TO STOP POSTING THEIR OPINIONS. It's their opinion, and they're valid. Sure, answer them as much as you can but you can't just say "If you don't like it, don't post" because that will lead to me deleting posts and getting all PMSing again.

heron bpv
February 21, 2012, 08:03 AM
@ankifeather:
Just to clarify, Hanzo did got the wrong tag in the manga, as you can see here (http://www.mangareader.net/207-14041-4/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-32.html).

MegamanX195
February 21, 2012, 08:14 AM
Honestly, I couldn't believe Kurapika VS Hisoka filler... it pretty much implied Kurapika with Red Eyes was = or close to Hisoka, which simply isn't true. If Kurapika was really that strong, Killua would be impressed and/or feel bad about being worse than him, since Hisoka is miles above him as he stated himself. Killua saw Kurapika w/ Red Eyes at Trick Tower and only whistled upon seeing his strenght. Remember, Killua got shocked because Gon got higher overall grades than him in the final exam. Of course, I only realized that after reading the manga.

And besides that, the fight just sucked. Kurapika was NEVER shown to rely on his weapons (whether they be bokken or actual katana swords). In fact, in the tower episode pretty much the opposite was implied: Kurapika most definitely did not care at all whether he was fighting with weapons or not. Hisoka's characterization was pretty weird... and it goes on. Also, unrelated, but the Gon/Illumi "fight" filler in the next episode... ugh.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the old anime, and that's what got me into HxH in the first place, having watched it 3 and a half times. The thing is, the new anime and the manga are SO much better. The only thing I'm still deciding on is whether the manga or new anime is more enjoyable... I guess I'll find out by next arc.

Sea Hunter
February 21, 2012, 08:43 AM
nvm

Popo
February 21, 2012, 09:57 AM
When I read the manga exam arc, I view the protagonists as kinda split in two groups most of the time - Kurapica/Reorio and Gon interaction on one side, Killua and Gon interaction on the other. While the 3rd exam was team effort, Leorio was pretty dismissive of Killua's existence, while Kurapica was somewhat scared of him. I don't deny that Kurapica and Leorio's desire to help Gon was a reason for saving Killua, but the hallucination tree event gave them more solid reason to do so as well as made Reorio's character more convincing. So to me it was a well arranged filler that positively reinforced the original storyline rather than detract from it.
But you're ignoring something else about the relationships during that arc--Kurapika goes to save Leorio only a few hours into the First Phase when they aren't supposed to be friends yet; Kurapika doesn't actually like Leorio until he finds out his true goals. But Kurapika and Gon stay behind for him in episode 6 of the 1999 series when they should be prioritizing the Exam. That makes the characterization significantly different.

Furuhashi ties everything back into friendship. He has the protagonists bond closely much faster in his adaptation and mostly keeps their relationship that way. But in Togashi's Hunter x Hunter, the protagonists struggle to stay friends.


Now some first time watchers this week on other forums commented that they thought Killua's desire to be friends with Gon this week was random, especially when Killua was acting cold towards Gon during the Hanzo fight. To some, Togashi had created a plot hole here, while this hole is somewhat filled by the Anita incidence in the 1999 version, hence why I don't hate that filler as much as some manga fans too. Killua's internal struggle re his strong desire to be Gon's friend vs his insecurities about whether a former assasin can be a good friend is a recurring theme throughout the manga until he finally pulls out the needle in his head. The Anita incidence just introduce that struggle earlier, so I don't see how it reroutes or contradict Killua's later character development and it makes his expression to Ilumi of his desire to make friends less random.
It's not a plothole. Killua wants to understand why Gon is so special. Viewers of the 2011 series have significantly less access to Killua's thoughts and emotions; I think that's key. In the 1999 series, you learn that Killua isn't a "bad" kid by episode 12. Furuhashi goes through extreme lengths to show this throughout the series by making Killua feel bad about his actions (and preventing him from killing those random applicants).

However, in the 2011 series and the manga, we're given a different picture. We know that Killua is a self-proclaimed liar and assassin that has no problem murdering people just for bumping into him. He's little different from Hisoka--he's certainly more violent in the ways that he kills. Kurapika and Leorio are wary of him because that's the side that they've seen of Killua. Their only real interaction with him is during the Third Phase, in which he pulls out the still-beating heart of a serial killer. Kurapika and Leorio aren't supposed to like Killua until this moment--when he states his true intentions for the first time.

You have a misconception about Killua's internal struggle though. In the manga and 2011 series, he's tired of his overbearing family forcing him to do things that he doesn't want to do. Killua isn't concerned with whether or not killing is "good" or "bad," only that he's tired of doing it and that he wants to be a normal kid. But the 1999 series adds self-loathing into the mix--Killua in the 1999 series is someone who is interested in making a "moral" change because he thinks that killing is a "bad thing."


Re taking Ponzu's tag, I think you are trying to say the 1999 version wrongly paints Gon in a more righteous light, but if he really want to be righteous he would have told off Reorio later for taking the tag or made him return it, but he didn't. So he was still willing to see his friend pass at the expense of Ponzu, just like he was willing to let a stranger die so he can steal Hisoka's badge. Gon taking the tag himself would have been more cheeky, but I don't see how this change alters his persona in any major way.
By having Gon leave Ponzu with her own badge, it only perpetuates the idea Furuhashi has about Gon being an incessantly "good kid." Gon isn't righteous, though. He's not a hero. He's a flawed character just like everyone else in the series. I find him more likable when he makes mistakes rather than having him be perfect all the time.


Like I said before I don't expect nor do I want the 1999 version's filler to be recreated in the 2011 version, and equally find those people who trashes the 2011 version just because certain 1999 fillers weren't recreated annoying because they obviously haven't read the manga. But it also gets to me when people respond by saying the 1999 fillers were a downfall, meaningless or unfaithfull, because I felt a lot of them were very well arranged and served to enhance Togashi's story rather than contradict it. Of course I am just stating my personal opinion and is not forcing anyone to agree, and each week after I watch a 2011 episode, I re-read the same manga chapter and 1999 episode for comparison purposes as well. So yes, I do know the differences between the three versions well and can evaluate for myself what I thought each version did right or wrong. I have read some of Popo's comparison, but I don't have to agree with everything in there.
Absolutely. I'm not asking everyone to agree with me, I'm mostly stating my findings whenever I do these comparisons.

I'm also not trying to say that people shouldn't watch the 1999 version--my point is that it isn't as accurate to the manga as it would have you believe it to be. I own all four boxsets on DVD too; I like the 1999 series. But as far as accuracy is concerned, the 2011 series is by and large closer to the manga.


and again, people are overplaying the significance of the differences between the 1999 series and the manga. the changes are so bloody minor, they're basically just nitpicking

besides, hxh isn't some rocket science. in many ways, it is a work of art, so not everything in the "system" has to add up. it is the viewing experience that matters more.

anyway i think i've vented and enough, this will be my last. :p episode 30 is my third favorite episode in the 1999 series (outside york shin), so i was just frustrated that people overlook all the things it did excellently just because of a few rather minor divergences from the manga.
I wouldn't say that I'm nitpicking--I'm showing how the two are different. Those differences aren't meant as an attack on the 1999 series, but rather to show how similarly or differently each animated series adapts the manga. Episode 30 is actually one of my favorites too.


The referee who Illumi throws needles at doesn't die. You can see him during the 1st round of the election for the 13th chairman.
Thanks for the heads up; I'll fix that. I assumed that he eventually died because half of his brain caves in, but I guess it makes sense that the Association would have someone to heal the refs.

Noonealive
February 21, 2012, 04:42 PM
@ankifeather Dude, it doesn't matter what the 1999 series did right, it still changed Togashi's story which will later affect the series as a whole. Look the mindset of kicking somebody while they're talking is the same as taking something while they're sleeping. Like i said these are subtle ways Togashi portrays his characters and if you choose to ignore them than so be it. Just because you think the manga has many plot holes doesn't mean anything because 1999 series made worse ones.

I never said you had to agree with any of Popo's comparisons, i just stated that they're reasonable and understandable. Anyways, in the end 1999 series made worse and contradictory development and worse plot holes and it's irrefutable fact that it did. You read the manga so you should be able to point them out on how bad they changed the story at some point specifically to the development of Gon and Ging. In the end it doesn't matter the 1999 series messed up big time.

ankifeather
February 21, 2012, 07:42 PM
It's not a plothole. Killua wants to understand why Gon is so special. Viewers of the 2011 series have significantly less access to Killua's thoughts and emotions; I think that's key. In the 1999 series, you learn that Killua isn't a "bad" kid by episode 12. Furuhashi goes through extreme lengths to show this throughout the series by making Killua feel bad about his actions (and preventing him from killing those random applicants).

However, in the 2011 series and the manga, we're given a different picture. We know that Killua is a self-proclaimed liar and assassin that has no problem murdering people just for bumping into him. He's little different from Hisoka--he's certainly more violent in the ways that he kills. Kurapika and Leorio are wary of him because that's the side that they've seen of Killua. Their only real interaction with him is during the Third Phase, in which he pulls out the still-beating heart of a serial killer. Kurapika and Leorio aren't supposed to like Killua until this moment--when he states his true intentions for the first time.

You have a misconception about Killua's internal struggle though. In the manga and 2011 series, he's tired of his overbearing family forcing him to do things that he doesn't want to do. Killua isn't concerned with whether or not killing is "good" or "bad," only that he's tired of doing it and that he wants to be a normal kid. But the 1999 series adds self-loathing into the mix--Killua in the 1999 series is someone who is interested in making a "moral" change because he thinks that killing is a "bad thing."


I think you have misconceived both what I said and what Furuhashi presented during the Anita incidence. I never said Killua struggled with whether "killing" was a bad or good. I said he struggled between his desire to befriend Gon and insecurities about whether he might betray Gon because he is a killer, since Illumi & his needle, Silva and Bisuke all hint so. He had no problem killing the one contestant that told him to shut up in the 1999 version. He let Anita go not because he viewed killing as a bad thing, but because he didn't want to displease Gon, he said so himself.

Never once did Furuhashi make Killua struggle with the morality of killing during the exam, if anything Killua loves threatening Tompa with death more. We can tell from Canary's memory that Killua has strong desires to make friends, and thus his desire to befriend Gon overcame his killer instincts to murder Anita. This resonates well with his later confession to Illumi that he prefers making friends with Gon over killing under his family's commands. So I don't see how the Anita incidence contradicts the manga greatly, it just revealed Killua's desire to befriend Gon earlier.


But you're ignoring something else about the relationships during that arc--Kurapika goes to save Leorio only a few hours into the First Phase when they aren't supposed to be friends yet; Kurapika doesn't actually like Leorio until he finds out his true goals. But Kurapika and Gon stay behind for him in episode 6 of the 1999 series when they should be prioritizing the Exam. That makes the characterization significantly different.

Furuhashi ties everything back into friendship. He has the protagonists bond closely much faster in his adaptation and mostly keeps their relationship that way. But in Togashi's Hunter x Hunter, the protagonists struggle to stay friends.

At that point in time, Kurapica and Leorio already went through three pre-exam tests together...that is already more interaction than they ever had with Killua throughout the exam arc. And in the manga Gon stopped and waited for leorio when he lagged behind too. Like you said, in the manga the protagonists did struggle to stay friends, so it feels random at times they haven't interacted deeply and the next thing they are risking their lives to save each other. Compared to later arcs where Togashi intricately carves out every character's thoughts, emotions and motivations when events unfold, the manga hunter exam arc felt a bit rushed and underdeveloped, and thus less intriguing to me. So I appreciated Furuhashi's effort to increase character interaction and thought process to make the story fuller without majorly changing the character's personality. People keep saying Furuhashi significantly changed the characters, but I personally don't really see it. Killua is frequently brought up, but he laughs and chat with Gon just like he did in the manga. Yes, he went a bit emo during the Anita incidence, but I don't see how chopping off two contestants head and sulking till daylight in the manga is any less emo. He is a transformer, so its not weird for him to have extreme mood swings.

I am not saying Furuhashi did everything right in the 1999 version, since I think he messed up the Heavens Arena Arc by changing order of events and the manga version of York Shin & GI were more intense & tight-packed. But he made the exam arc more intriguing and convincing to me that's all, hence why I see his direction choice for that arc as a positive.


Absolutely. I'm not asking everyone to agree with me, I'm mostly stating my findings whenever I do these comparisons.

I'm also not trying to say that people shouldn't watch the 1999 version--my point is that it isn't as accurate to the manga as it would have you believe it to be. I own all four boxsets on DVD too; I like the 1999 series. But as far as accuracy is concerned, the 2011 series is by and large closer to the manga.

I wouldn't say that I'm nitpicking--I'm showing how the two are different. Those differences aren't meant as an attack on the 1999 series, but rather to show how similarly or differently each animated series adapts the manga. Episode 30 is actually one of my favorites too.


You are absolutely correct in presenting the comparison and concluding that 2011 version is closer to the manga and what you believe are similarities and differences. Not you, but some fans have this notion that closer to manga = better as the manga will forever be better. It's ok if that is their opinion, but some state it like its a fact that cannot be overturned. I just don't necessarily agree with that mentality that's all. I've loved and followed Togashi since the YYH days, but if I feel an anime version presented the same sets of events in a better way, I am just giving where credits due. There are some events that I feel Furuhashi presented better (eg the exam arc in general), some parts that Togashi presented better (most of the later arcs) and some part that the 2011 version presented better (4th exam).

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@ankifeather Dude, it doesn't matter what the 1999 series did right, it still changed Togashi's story which will later affect the series as a whole. Look the mindset of kicking somebody while they're talking is the same as taking something while they're sleeping. Like i said these are subtle ways Togashi portrays his characters and if you choose to ignore them than so be it. Just because you think the manga has many plot holes doesn't mean anything because 1999 series made worse ones.

I never said you had to agree with any of Popo's comparisons, i just stated that they're reasonable and understandable. Anyways, in the end 1999 series made worse and contradictory development and worse plot holes and it's irrefutable fact that it did. You read the manga so you should be able to point them out on how bad they changed the story at some point specifically to the development of Gon and Ging. In the end it doesn't matter the 1999 series messed up big time.

You just demonstrated what I meant by some fan's mentality of closer to manga = better because the manga will forever be better as an irrefutable fact. If you believe the 1999 version mess up big time and made worse plot holes, that is your opinion and I don't force you to think otherwise. Yes they got Gon's mother death wrong and I don't agree with changing the order of events in the Heavens Arena, but I feel the other filler choices during the exam arc close more plot holes, are not contradictory and I've given my reasons. That is my personal opinion and I've never stated it as otherwise, since everyone intereprets the manga differently. Neither opinion is an irrefutable fact, and I have manga-reading friends that agree with me as well as ones that don't. In the end, there are three versions of the story now, the manga and the two anime, and there will be times when I feel one version of story-telling exceeds the other, and is under no obligation to always accept the manga one as the better or unflawed version. That doesn't make me less of a Togashi fan or manga reader.

mrsticky005
February 21, 2012, 08:10 PM
I agree with you to some extent. The manga is the source material but claiming that the original series completly failed to follow the manga, as you mentioned, that's not so and what's more you know it!



That's what he is supposed to be in the early stage of the manga i.e. the Hunter exam. He had these mood changes, until the final phase of the exam, where he broke out of his shell for the first time and told Illumi about his desires (that's why he is a transformation user in the first place).



Yeah, in Germany where I live in Northrhine Westphalia carnival turns out into a huge drinking festival. I've been drinking since thursday and I'm glad that I didn't wake up in a hospital. hahaha :D

As long as we have some healthy discussions it's alright with me. But this thread has already turned into 1999 vs 2011 thread it'll stay this way until the chimera ant arc.


Of course the original series followed the manga. The original series IS the manga and the manga IS the original series.
The 1999 anime is an adaptation just as the 2011 version is. They both are from the same source material (the manga)
but are not related to one another. Meaning they are independent series. You don't need to know anything about
the other to enjoy the series.

Yeah, I was being harsh there. More the point is that the 2011 series is more accurate regardless of what we prefer.

Noonealive
February 21, 2012, 08:33 PM
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You just demonstrated what I meant by some fan's mentality of closer to manga = better because the manga will forever be better as an irrefutable fact. If you believe the 1999 version mess up big time and made worse plot holes, that is your opinion and I don't force you to think otherwise. Yes they got Gon's mother death wrong and I don't agree with changing the order of events in the Heavens Arena, but I feel the other filler choices during the exam arc close more plot holes, are not contradictory and I've given my reasons. That is my personal opinion and I've never stated it as otherwise, since everyone intereprets the manga differently. Neither opinion is an irrefutable fact, and I have manga-reading friends that agree with me as well as ones that don't. In the end, there are three versions of the story now, the manga and the two anime, and there will be times when I feel one version of story-telling exceeds the other, and is under no obligation to always accept the manga one as the better or unflawed version. That doesn't make me less of a Togashi fan or manga reader.

You just demonstrated the mentality of 1999 series is better than the manga. Obviously we are on different sides of the spectrum. What i mean as irrefutable fact is Gons Mom isn't related to Mito, Mito is in fact related to Ging. Ging brought Gon for Mito to take care of him, which is a big part of the each persons development. Right than and there the 1999 series made it's biggest flaw IMO. It might be good in your opinion to switch the characters portrayal but its a different story entirely if you change the whole view of how a person grew up because later on in the story things are gonna happen that are going to contradict those things. The manga IMO isn't flawed as bad as you make it out to be. Watching the 1999 series doesn't make me less of a fan of HxH either. You critique the manga, i critique the 1999 series. We both think theres flaws when it comes to the both of them. Neither one of them is perfect or better. It's just our opinion in the end.

Crude
February 22, 2012, 08:05 AM
The thing is that the a lot of people tend to dislike any change to the story presented in the manga. Now I like sticking to canon as much as the next guy, but sometimes a story can be improved by deviating from the manga and changing a few things. Look at films based on books for example. Sometimes a film will be better than the book it's based on because it actually changed a few things (Fight Club imo). And look at Yu Yu Hakusho. It also changed the story a bit and in a lot of people's opinions was actually better than the manga. In the first anime's case there were somethings that I now realize were stupid changes (Mito being related to Gon's mother; characters having different characterization; corny lines; re-arranging of events...), yet there were also things that I think made the story a little better, at least the Hunter Exam arc (am I the only one who liked Kurapika vs Hisoka in the old anime, well except for the generic lines and how cool they were trying to make Kurapika look). I really want to see the Chimera Ant arc but at the same time I kind of liked the pacing of the first arc in the 1999 anime. In my opinion it made the arc feel a little less rushed. Of course it's unreasonable to think that the new anime would follow the old one, the new anime is based on the manga and not the old anime. Anyway my point is that sometimes it's okay to change things, unless of course those changes end up creating plot holes :D.

mrsticky005
February 22, 2012, 09:13 AM
The thing is that the a lot of people tend to dislike any change to the story presented in the manga. Now I like sticking to canon as much as the next guy, but sometimes a story can be improved by deviating from the manga and changing a few things. Look at films based on books for example. Sometimes a film will be better than the book it's based on because it actually changed a few things (Fight Club imo). And look at Yu Yu Hakusho. It also changed the story a bit and in a lot of people's opinions was actually better than the manga. In the first anime's case there were somethings that I now realize were stupid changes (Mito being related to Gon's mother; characters having different characterization; corny lines; re-arranging of events...), yet there were also things that I think made the story a little better, at least the Hunter Exam arc (am I the only one who liked Kurapika vs Hisoka in the old anime, well except for the generic lines and how cool they were trying to make Kurapika look). I really want to see the Chimera Ant arc but at the same time I kind of liked the pacing of the first arc in the 1999 anime. In my opinion it made the arc feel a little less rushed. Of course it's unreasonable to think that the new anime would follow the old one, the new anime is based on the manga and not the old anime. Anyway my point is that sometimes it's okay to change things, unless of course those changes end up creating plot holes :D.

It's not that I don't think the manga can be improved. It's that there's a fine line
between making changes to the story and changing the story. The 1999 series
seems to be teeter tottering on the edge of that line.

Popo
February 22, 2012, 12:09 PM
It's not that I don't think the manga can be improved. It's that there's a fine line
between making changes to the story and changing the story. The 1999 series
seems to be teeter tottering on the edge of that line.
I agree with this statement. Moreover, it's an issue that sometimes the 1999 series crosses over that line. Episode 31 is a fine example of this: compare it to the corresponding chapters of the manga. I don't know who decided it would be a good idea for Gon to fight Illumi, but...

However, I also want to say that it's completely acceptable for one to be of the opinion that the 1999 series is "better" than the manga or 2011 series. Personal preference isn't something that can be argued, since so much of it is based upon individual factors. But statements like "the Nippon Animation's version is more faithful to the manga than the Madhouse version" are generally false. I say "generally" because there are some incidents where this statement is true.

Noonealive
February 22, 2012, 04:58 PM
The thing is that the a lot of people tend to dislike any change to the story presented in the manga. Now I like sticking to canon as much as the next guy, but sometimes a story can be improved by deviating from the manga and changing a few things. Look at films based on books for example. Sometimes a film will be better than the book it's based on because it actually changed a few things (Fight Club imo). And look at Yu Yu Hakusho. It also changed the story a bit and in a lot of people's opinions was actually better than the manga. In the first anime's case there were somethings that I now realize were stupid changes (Mito being related to Gon's mother; characters having different characterization; corny lines; re-arranging of events...), yet there were also things that I think made the story a little better, at least the Hunter Exam arc (am I the only one who liked Kurapika vs Hisoka in the old anime, well except for the generic lines and how cool they were trying to make Kurapika look). I really want to see the Chimera Ant arc but at the same time I kind of liked the pacing of the first arc in the 1999 anime. In my opinion it made the arc feel a little less rushed. Of course it's unreasonable to think that the new anime would follow the old one, the new anime is based on the manga and not the old anime. Anyway my point is that sometimes it's okay to change things, unless of course those changes end up creating plot holes :D.

Yes i know, there's many examples of the story changing just to add "improvements", but what I'm saying is that if the 1999 series had happen to continue as an on going series, it would have met it's demise later on. I know that Togashi was going on haitus during these times as well but in the end it could have affected the story in a different manner. :^_^

Host Samurai
February 22, 2012, 05:05 PM
However, I also want to say that it's completely acceptable for one to be of the opinion that the 1999 series is "better" than the manga or 2011 series. Personal preference isn't something that can be argued, since so much of it is based upon individual factors. But statements like "the Nippon Animation's version is more faithful to the manga than the Madhouse version" are generally false. I say "generally" because there are some incidents where this statement is true.

This also works vice versa. The Madhouse adaption isn't that faithful to the manga as claimed. Both adaptions have their flaws due to various...well let's say reasons. I just noticed that this weeks episode lacked a crucial information regarding Satotsu and most importantly Ging. They skipped it for whatever "reason".

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14044-7/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-35.html

Noonealive
February 22, 2012, 05:14 PM
This also works vice versa. The Madhouse adaption isn't that faithful to the manga as claimed. Both adaptions have their flaws due to various...well let's say reasons. I just noticed that this weeks episode lacked a crucial information regarding Satotsu and most importantly Ging. They skipped it for whatever "reason".

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14044-7/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-35.html

O actually you might be right but they still might have the conversation in the next episode. The preview shows Satots talking to Gon still so we just have to wait and see.

Popo
February 22, 2012, 07:21 PM
This also works vice versa. The Madhouse adaption isn't that faithful to the manga as claimed. Both adaptions have their flaws due to various...well let's say reasons. I just noticed that this weeks episode lacked a crucial information regarding Satotsu and most importantly Ging. They skipped it for whatever "reason".

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14044-7/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-35.html
Hence, "generally."

I mention the 2011 series skipping that in my comparison, though I don't state it outright the specific scene because it looks like Madhouse might be moving that conversation to episode 21.
http://i.imgur.com/K29Mv.jpg

Beans
February 22, 2012, 10:22 PM
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzns2eBFwn1qe95joo1_r2_500.gif

mrsticky005
February 23, 2012, 07:27 PM
as for "and gon was angry" At first I thought it was a bit unnecessary but now
I think it is the groundwork for a great hunter x hunter meme. Observe :mono

WARNING MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT READ ALL OF THE CHIMERA
ANT ARC IN THE MANGA.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2me5mco.jpg

the meme is simple

just write

"Gon was angry"

and then cite an example of how Person X hurts one of Gon's friends.
The more dramatic you can make this part. The better.

and then remind the reader

"and Gon was angry."

then place an appropriate picture.

ashher
February 24, 2012, 04:54 AM
Generally i'd say its better to stick to the canon. There was an opinion a few post ago about changing the story and making changes in the story. I'd say that there is little point in making changes in the story. The original story is the real one for me, with all its cons and pros. I'd miss its cons just as much as its pros...so making changes in story doesn't sit well with me generally. However if someone is talking about changing the story, contrary to the popular opinion here, i'd be more interested and accepting of it. For example, alan moore's batman, tim burton's batman and christopher nolan's batman are all different original stories. If one does not have that amount of creativity or courage, he better leave the adaptations as close to the original source as possible and not tinker with it using the excuse of 'improvement'.