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[Naruto Sennin87]

ALL 311 RAW OUT (http://animeprodestiny.forumcommunity.net/?t=37822471)

[外国人]

http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab108/ddog892/HunterxHunter.jpg

110 ：T ◆PecpvbY4/. ：2011/08/03(水) 15:57:16.49 ID:lPHdO2W40
さっき書き込んだ瞬間に落ちたんだ。
やっとつながった。

パームがコムギを背負って逃げたが王に見つからなかったのは髪の毛で覆っていた為。
コムギを隠したまま交渉へ向かおうとするパーム。パームが王は数時間以内に死ぬだろうから交渉をうまく引き伸ばすと言う。

薔薇には毒が有り、運悪く爆発に巻き込まれなかった生き残りも毒に侵され、また新たな毒の媒体として死んでいく恐ろしい悪魔兵器だったって事で今週は終り。

4Pにわたり世界中の貧困や戦争、飢餓の描写、裏では裕福な暮らしをしている描写が入ってセリフも無しのページが4ページ。

[•Sasuke•]

Chapter 311 full scan here (http://animeprodestiny.forumcommunity.net/?t=37822471&p=328097003)

[miotara]

Finally it came out!!! Thanks so much for providing the link. There's no Gon and Killua but it still seems great. Pages aren't in order though

[•Sasuke•]

yeah finally my manga is back
the order doesn't matter at all since i can't read the script xD

[Host Samurai]

The chapter looks awesome!!! And finally we know how the King will die, in the end Netero's sacrifice wasn't in vain.

[Host Samurai]

The chapter looks awesome!!! And finally we know how the King will die, in the end Netero's sacrifice wasn't in vain.

According to the spoiler picture, I assume that the King and Pufu are slowly dying due to the exposure of the radiation.

[Hamy]

Oh god XD beaten by sound logic hahahahaha. I totally love it! Nobody here ever suggested radiation poisoning as being plausible, even if we did mostly acknowledge it as an atomic bomb we forgot the other effects of a bomb such as that. Only thing scary is whether Palm will live or not... I am really rooting for her to make it through :(

[kkck]

To be honest I never considered the thing was an actual nuke, I just thought it was a bad ass bomb in a can or something lol. I don't think the king situation will be as easy though, he is likely to be extremely powerful even as a dying man. Netero was sent to die there inequivocably though which I find somewhat disturbing considering he could not have possibly been expected to live if he had nuclear material inside him... I was kinda thrown off by the manga revelation that the rose was mass produced, I never expected the rose would be radioactive after that.

[twasdfzxcv]

Seems like it's not really radiation, but just good old fashion poison bomb. However it could originally intended to be radiation butdue to the recent fukushima accident and they may want to avoid that. Who knows.

From chinese scan:

Palm and Ikalgo discuss conflicts in royal guards regarding Komugi. Decide to hide her until the king dies within hours.

.....

that's about it.

[liductan]

It's really too bad that it will go on break soon afterwards...:-_-

[Desperado]

Who thinks that the chapters were actually delayed due to the Fukushima incident?

[Uriel]

I'll wait for the translation, but I was so happy to see if would be back!

So let's bet how many chapters this time :P

[kkck]

^I would kinda doubt it....

Anyways, whats this about going on hiatus soon? We are not even getting a volume this time or is it a double issue?

Anyways, the most important question right now is who exactly is scanlating this manga? Is manga stream doing it?

[ish3]

I assume the next ten to twenty chapters will be the end of the Chimera Ant arc otherwise the author wouldn't have agreed to a new anime.

[Magnus]

Anyways, the most important question right now is who exactly is scanlating this manga? Is manga stream doing it?
Mangazone has just done the job and the chap is now out : http://www.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/311
Thank God they are really fast :D

[Tombadgerlock]

Well, here it is: http://www.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/311

[kkck]

I wanna cry... chapter was beautiful, I can finally see an end to the arc. I wonder if killua was affected by the poison released by pufu though. Perhaps killau will be resistant to that due to his upbringing or pufu had yet to produce any poison before now. The king should weaken considerably as the poison kicks in so it is possible for him to have a final fight against someone. I am still wondering about gon, he just threw away his potential which is not something which he could easily get back. I used to think there was a chance the king would actually give his body away to gon as the RG did to him in a last ditch attempt at redemption and whatnot but right now it would seem largely impossible simply due to the poison.

[jorped]

Chapter is out at MangaStream btw. This chapter was very very good and very interesting. So the "Rose" is even more dangerous than what we thought, and there aren't really any chance for any one to survive it. By this time, who could really face the King ? With Netero gone, there wasn't any one of the group that could even stand a chance against the King, so this new dramatic effect of the "Rose" is definitely going to do, what no one else could. And next chapter Pufu might already die.But i still wonder if the King is really going to be defeated by this "poison".
I wish that next chapter we get at least a glance of Gon and Killua.

[Kiba]

so the king will die soon

[Drago]

Chapter is out on Mangastream -->http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/66206613/1

[Ush]

Is it just me or did the art suck

Perhaps I've been away from HxH too long

[ilovemanga]

Well the art is always like that. The anime is coming out so this arc will end soon hopefully in 20-25 chapters cos this been dragging for too long in my opinion. I want to see hisoka, phantom troupe and kurapica

[Uriel]

Seems that art is not as under worked as before.

The enigma has been set, I loved that. The king will die. Now that is something to ask ourselves: Refers to his self as the king, refers to his actual life? I think that it's somewhat clear it's by the poison, but Togashi left us to a monster with enormous strength to do damage before He dies. It's the best way to take it off, since his level was far too great.
Now I wonder if He will want to fight, if we will see a new fight from him, if it will bring reflections alone or something else.

[Tombadgerlock]

the most obvious thing is he'll want to have a finale match with komougi.

[jorped]

Is it just me or did the art suck

Perhaps I've been away from HxH too long

I actually enjoyed and found the art good.
See the first chapters and you won't say that any more :p

And btw their are threads that also have some discussion about the thread, if some mod could merge those threads with this one, would be really great :thumbs

[sharingan_kakashi]

o wow i didnt expect to see a HxH chapter. A very nice surprise!

Back to the chapter: The rose was a nuke after all. Now the fallout begins and everyone caught in the explosion will die a gruesome death. I would have liked to see one of 5 "Jin Freeks caliber fighters" fight the king but i dont think the story is going in that direction.

Did Miss Creepy always have a fortune telling ability? I thought she can only watch what the 4 people she touches are doing. Cool ability nontheless.

No Gon and Killua in this chapter.

[Uriel]

Did Miss Creepy always have a fortune telling ability? I thought she can only watch what the 4 people she touches are doing. Cool ability nontheless.
Improved when transformed to Chimera-Ant being, I suppose.

[kidopitz27]

chapter is out at mangareader.net :) but still a long hiatus and just 20 pages? FUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[zelllogan]

Is it just me or did the art suck

Perhaps I've been away from HxH too long
Honestly, It was better than I expected.

I didn't understand much of the ending. Why will the king die ? How does she reach her conclusion ? What's the story with the poison ?

NB: I'm not yet completely back into Togashi' weird storytelling.

[Tombadgerlock]

Basically, the Rose also deposits poison for 'cleanup'. We saw the king, pufu, and youpi coughing up blood or bleeding, so it seems they are affected.

Youpi lost against a freaking lower-level ant, so pufu shouldn't have much time either.

[zelllogan]

Thanks but the rose came from where ? I don't remind this at all.

[Uriel]

Thanks but the rose came from where ? I don't remind this at all.
The huge explosion that killed Meruem. After this, the royal guards gave him their lifes in order to keep him alive.

[BurnSchulz]

Thanks but the rose came from where ? I don't remind this at all.The Rose was mostly like a nuklear explosion and the Poison Palm is speaking of must be the radiation, wich destroys living cells.

chapter is out at mangareader.net :) but still a long hiatus and just 20 pages? FUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Hoy can you complain about the ammount of pages? Cant you just be glad that a chapter (wich is usually 20 pages) came out?

.. some people just can´t be satisfied...

[Crude]

To be honest I also found the art to be a little lackluster. Not the best looking Hunter x Hunter chapter, but not the worst either. The quantity was fine, I wasn't expecting much, plus Togashi is pretty good when it comes to pacing. Just wish we could've seen Gon and/or Killua.

[Ero-Sanji]

Marvellous!

Those 3-4 pages revealing nothing less than humanities evilness was pure art. I love it when Togashi goes all silent and poetic, love it!
It's really a mystery how the citizens of that world could be so calm when such a weapon of mass destruction is being sold en masse, to all kinds of shady people. It's also quite sad how Netero really went into the fight just to die. Sad...

A great way for a great king to die is by poisoning and I agree that this was the best way. Much better than having an even stronger person or an illogical explanation for the King's defeat. This is one of the reasons HxH really stands out in pure story telling. Great to have it back!

Also, am I the only one to not be satisfied if Pofou doesn't get his face beaten in?

[LoS]

Hoy can you complain about the ammount of pages? Cant you just be glad that a chapter (wich is usually 20 pages) came out?

.. some people just can´t be satisfied...

He will really be throwing a hissy fit when he finds out there isn't a chapter next week.


Also, am I the only one to not be satisfied if Pofou doesn't get his face beaten in?

Don't worry, you, I, and thousands of others all feel the same way. He will most certainly meet a tragic end. Either getting destroyed by the King himself or feeling like a real schmuck and getting owned by the good guys.

Too the people complaining about the quality, some pages were a bit lackluster, some double pages were iffy while others were very nice, and some single pages were pretty compelling and beautiful. Don't worry though, the quality will be amazing when he fixes them up for the volume release.

[Frogfoot]

Get MS release, it's much better than the one on Mangareader

[Bhoot]

I dunno why but it seemed like the Art needed some finishing [ i mean some final shading and all]

Anyways , average chapter probably because I was curious to see Gon's condition .

[Ustegius]

Great chapter. Art was okay, not the greatest by Togashi, but on the upper tier. Actually little suprised it looked that cool. But what really makes this chapter so awesome, is the storytelling. Togashi is incredible at that. The King to die of poisoning, classic. Great solution to make sure it won't feel silly. Waiting to see what goes through his mind when he realizes he is gonna die? Will he go berserk on his last moment? Will he calmly look for to play last game with Komugi (and win, dying as a king?) Expecting great things of how Togashi is gonna write this one.

[lobo971]

felt like the art itself whas just fine, but it's the composition of the pages and the pacing of the storytelling that blown me away.. love to have HXH back finally :) love to see how it will end, love to see how he again manages to turn such evilish and cold blood killer characters into something more than human.. that's master togashi for you :) + if you put that into perpective of the recent events in japan....

[jorped]

I expected some madness from The King, when he figures that he is going to die soon. He sees himself above everyone else, though lately that has changed quite a bit, but he still thinks of himself as a "divine" creature, so i don't expect him to handle much well the fact that he is going to die. But on the other hand, he was already at risk of dead and if it wasn't for his two subordinates he would have been dead, so this might have changed him and influenced his way of seeing "Death".

[Netero]

Even though Gon & Killua weren't in the chapter I still loved it. This just me personally but I thought the art was good but... that might just be me I don't know lol. I'm sooo happy that Netero's sacrifice was not in vain, if the bomb didn't kill the king he knew the poison would get the job done later.

[Saifi]

i think the poison is just the way to wrap up the series rather than anything else ,now that hes poisoned it will be realistic for king to lose to a lower lvl good guy..

ofcourse thats considering the hiatus isnt back again for next week.. or any other time the author writes himself into a corner n gets a mangaka's-block!

[Host Samurai]

The chapter was awesome as expected!!! In terms of malice and cruelty; humans have no equal. It was well done of Togashi of how he illustrated the many facettes of cruelty. Pufu will die a horrible death which will also inflict pain and fear. I really want to see how he will act when, he is faced with despair. Now I wonder since Pufu used his scales to hypnotize the humans will they also be poisoned or does the poison work at a cellular level?

[Uriel]

Even though Gon & Killua weren't in the chapter I still loved it. This just me personally but I thought the art was good but... that might just be me I don't know lol. I'm sooo happy that Netero's sacrifice was not in vain, if the bomb didn't kill the king he knew the poison would get the job done later.
I think that after some time seeing just sketches talking you start to not care about the art and just read the panels and the mood of each. :P

[Netero]

^
Ahaha that's probably it lol.

[liductan]

I was a bit dissappointed with the chp., the king is going to die by poison. That seems lazy to me and I don't like, it's seems like the author is trying to end the arc as soon as possible because he ran out of ideas. I have to say the method is more realistic than fighting though but I would rather see a fight than this. On the other hand, things can change and I don't like how many civillians were sacrifice for this either. I will deal with it since i know it was in their best interest to protect everyone else but it shows how cruel humans are. I hope the author has more ideas up his sleeves because I like how HXH is descriptive and more story telling anyways. I miss gon and killua, please don't take a break anytime soon.

[BurnSchulz]

I think that after some time seeing just sketches talking you start to not care about the art and just read the panels and the mood of each. :P

I personally really liked the skethy-like drawings at some chapters, because somehow they include more emotions than super sharp lines ever could.
I Hope that at least a little bit of this "spirit" will be kept in the manga Volumes.

I am talking especially about scenes like the fight between gon and pitou, or the chapter with gons transformation before the fight.

[Hamy]

I was a bit dissappointed with the chp., the king is going to die by poison. That seems lazy to me and I don't like, it's seems like the author is trying to end the arc as soon as possible because he ran out of ideas. I have to say the method is more realistic than fighting though but I would rather see a fight than this.

Let me put it this way I don't think any of us objected to viewing "The Rose" as an equivalent in terms of destruction of a nuclear or atomic bomb in HXH, however NOBODY put forward the logic of where the Rose bomb actually carrying radiation much like the weapon it was based off. So looking at it the end is far more shocking because of the realism or rather the straight forward logic that could easily be carried over to the manga, which because of how shounen's are so often so fantastical I think many including myself are shocked at how the answer to the long sought question of how to kill the king could be so BANAL that its bordering on genius. May be disappointing for those who thought of a more creative answer but HXH reminds me why I love it precisely, as it continues to go quite against the grain and when it does it leaves me pleasantly surprised. I've also posted this in someones horrid HXH review as he totally missed how Togashi really knows how to capture the zeitgeist of his time and incorporate it into his manga, e.g. as we see with this chapter the radiation scare (might be called poison here but you see the similarities). This ability of his to be so in-tune with the times I think works well with the banal conclusion he decided to take.


On the other hand, things can change and I don't like how many civillians were sacrifice for this either. I will deal with it since i know it was in their best interest to protect everyone else but it shows how cruel humans are. I hope the author has more ideas up his sleeves because I like how HXH is descriptive and more story telling anyways. I miss gon and killua, please don't take a break anytime soon.

This statement I think is pure gold as it really shows the shift of this arc from being a black and white scenario, humans vs alien species threatening world peace. To just that its completely NOT such a black and white scenario with protecting the humans from the ants, yes they were a threat but in the larger picture as we've slowly come to see kinda difficult to stomach all those sacrifices and deaths when majority of the population would probably not end up caring. Moreover, as we've just read from a few panels man still comes out on top, just think a weapon created by some guys who probably don't have nen managed to defeat the most powerful being that uses nen shown to this date. Its great that you have this ambivalence as precisely it shows how this arc has evolved to being something rather unsettling and being a lot more complicated.

[Hamy]

To be honest I never considered the thing was an actual nuke, I just thought it was a bad ass bomb in a can or something lol. I don't think the king situation will be as easy though, he is likely to be extremely powerful even as a dying man. Netero was sent to die there inequivocably though which I find somewhat disturbing considering he could not have possibly been expected to live if he had nuclear material inside him... I was kinda thrown off by the manga revelation that the rose was mass produced, I never expected the rose would be radioactive after that.

Considering that Togashi tends to use real life things and transpose it to his manga I never found it strange that the rose would be a nuclear bomb, in addition to the fact that to me a bad ass bomb in real life = nuclear warhead. Moreover, considering the bit of information he gave regarding its politics:
http://www.mangareader.net/207-47612-9/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-298.html
Sounds an awful like the parallel we have with nuclear warheads. That and I don't know of any bomb whose explosion creates an optical effect other than a nuclear bomb so looking for possible basis of the rose I immediately thought that before. Though I had also just assumed it would be a strong explosion never considered radiation since like you it was unthinkable for Netero to carry radiation but hey he is a die hard old man and had that bomb installed the whole time thinking of the worst case scenario so guess he never cared for the poisoning, that or it had a pretty damn good protective cover.

[Netero]

@BurnSchulz
I agree with you man, I like the art too and another thing is the art sometimes really sets the mood for the chapter.

*EDIT*
I forgot to add the reply with the quote again!:darn

[Airget]

It's pretty amusing after all this time pondering what could it be that would make the king's death 100% was as simple as a residual effect from the bomb Netero used. Though I think something that's pretty scary is all of these events took place in a 20 minute period I think from the point that they invaded so basically when she does say a few hours, it really isn't as simple as a few hours when you consider how much happened in less then an hour.

It is a pity that it seems like it'll end like this though if you think about it, had Netero just seen the honesty in the King's words rather then seeing him as an ant then perhaps they could've actually had peace. Heck sure this might sound inhumane in itself but enough people have died already but they could've always set a plan in for the ants to eat those who were sentenced to death in terms of keeping peaceful relations and not killing any civilians wanting to live a peaceful life lol. I mean sure that does sound bad but if you consider the context they are gonna die anyway so why not lol.

Um but ya if it does conclude like this the aftereffects are going to be interesting considering how much sacrifice was made cause they weren't willing to try to live in peace. Heck even at the start when the Hunters went after the Queen, she told them her son's name before dying, considering how odd of a request that was you would consider that they always had the potential to live in a more humane way. But ya, this first chapter has been an interesting one, even pufu who was determined to dispose of the human girl might start to panic and think of other things if he knows his life by the side of his King is about to end. Or perhaps this will inspire him to look for the human girl faster so he won't die in vain. Of course though he just had to come back when their a break next week so we gotta wait another week before seeing where this all leads but let's just hope this isn't chpt 1/10 and he'll actually stay with the schedule.

[JinHea]

yay! 311 is out! ive been waiting aaaaaaaaaages!

[Askia32]

Hunter X Hunter is back!!!!

Man, storytelling at its finest. I love the fact that the king is poisoned because now a character doesn't need to have a random super saiyan powerup to defeat him. I'm still really curious how this arc is going to draw to a conclusion. The King is pissed, or about to be, and Gon is a grown man. Dang, I need to back read to refresh my memory of this arc.

[NoFreakingWay]

A lot of people actually saw the radiation poisoning part coming. I was originally from a site called Nexgear (which shut down) and we had discussed this possibility a lot. Damn shame the site died.

Even if the King will die in a couple more hours he should be able to at least cause some more chaos, especially on the characters remaining there. Maybe Palm will pressure him in a negotiation for a possible antidote or at least therapy but I think the damn radiation is just too damn great since is he at the heart of the explosion.

So much for Pufu and Yupi giving themselves to the King. It makes sense that they just can't cure the radiation just like that since they themselves plunged into the fires of the Rose.

If the King and Komugi will play for one last time then they'll probably die because of how the King will irradiate her.

Netero, old man, here's a toast to you! Your sacrifice was not in vain. You will remain the true hero of this arc, and you deserve all of those epic covers Togashi drew for you!

[Umbra Wolf]

Is it just me or did the art suck

Perhaps I've been away from HxH too long

The art didn't suck it was rather detailed. And we finally got some decent backgrounds for once.

What will be the new schedule for releases from now on?

[Hamy]

I wonder what will happen to Pufu now since he must be aware something is wrong with his body. Considering that he's drastically weakened and he had exposed himself to the poison when he and the other guard entered the smouldering area where the bomb had detonated I would assume he won't be lasting as long as the king. Moreover, given that the King as well will most likely show symptoms, or Pufu will realize the King is also going to die, I wonder how he will act with regard to his mission of eliminating Komugi since its suddenly become entirely useless to "protect" the King from her since they're both about to die anyways.

[Host Samurai]

I wonder what will happen to Pufu now since he must be aware something is wrong with his body. Considering that he's drastically weakened and he had exposed himself to the poison when he and the other guard entered the smouldering area where the bomb had detonated I would assume he won't be lasting as long as the king. Moreover, given that the King as well will most likely show symptoms, or Pufu will realize the King is also going to die, I wonder how he will act with regard to his mission of eliminating Komugi since its suddenly become entirely useless to "protect" the King from her since they're both about to die anyways.

I think that Pufu would probably try to find Komugi and use her as a hostage for the Hunters. Since he still believes that she is an important key for them due to Pitou but he doesn't know that he is a goner. He would probably try to use her in a bargain for an antidote for the Rose's poisoning. But we all know that the humans haven't one because no human survived that long anyway. So this is what I can think of in the moment.

[BurnSchulz]

I guess the King now will remember everything about Kumogi, maybe because Pofu have to tell him too, and then he wants to fight her in Gungi untill he defeats her.
They agree to the Negoteation, because they will find out that the Kings EN is useless to find Kumogi, and somehow to surpass her is the only goal he can think off.

At the end he will finally wins against her, because he learned much about tactics in battle with Netero.
But after Meryem wins, it wont be Kumogi wich dies... the King will be at his limits.

But at least he reached his goal. Wich is in his personality transformation a very importing thing to prove his rights to exist. You just have to temember all of his thoughts and his changing over the chapters where he foughts Kumogi in Gungi.

___
I would like to see that this wont end exactly like i predict, because it would be much to boring if you can predict everything.
But i personally really want to see them fight in Gungi one last time, because it was very impressive... everything about it. You could feel the changes of the Kings thoughts. And then you build sympathy to him, you somehow want him to win, you want to see his reaction after all the games and after his changes.
Somebody who has same thoughts?

[Ustegius]

Okay, now looking were this is leading, this could develope in a very juicy situation if indeed Melereon is Jairo, as a popular theory goes. As a hostage he is in middle of the probaply coming negotiations, which probaply leads him to be aware of the fact the King will die. This could be his opportunity to seize back his postion as the king of NGL, and take remaining ant troops and possibly even then hypnotized people under his control.

Though I've also took a liking to a little thought that Togashi was intentionally missleading us about Jairos personality and supposed evilness. Jairo is as hippy as Melereon seems, and the story we got was how the big shots from industrial countries make him be in bad light because they can't tap into and abuse NGLs natural resources. That or he simply is a very fascinating bad guy.

This of course strongly asuming Jairo=Melereon in the first place.

[kkck]

There is a bit that worried me this chapter. The people exposed to the poison were said to start producing another poison which in turn infects others rather easily. Under this logic, shouldn´t killua and komugi be infected by now? Killua was in very close proximity to pitou and so was komugi for the most part.... Of course that would also mean that by now gon is also infected through killua. Perhaps this will be a plot point in the future.

[Ustegius]

^Could be a plot point. We should remember though, that Killua is supposed to be resistant to every poison. And I don't remember Pitou being close to anyone who was in the explosion.

[liductan]

^Could be a plot point. We should remember though, that Killua is supposed to be resistant to every poison. And I don't remember Pitou being close to anyone who was in the explosion.

I thought Pitou was killed by gon, a few chapters back. Besides even if Killua is suppose to resiste every poison, we're talking about a nucleic poison here. I DON'T think anyone whether normal or not can actually resist something that. I was thinking maybe thier ablity to use ren might be a way to protect themselves, who knows....

[jorped]

There is a bit that worried me this chapter. The people exposed to the poison were said to start producing another poison which in turn infects others rather easily. Under this logic, shouldn´t killua and komugi be infected by now? Killua was in very close proximity to pitou and so was komugi for the most part.... Of course that would also mean that by now gon is also infected through killua. Perhaps this will be a plot point in the future.

But did Netero explained this to everyone, specially Killua and Gon, that don't have probably ever heard of the "Rose"? It wouldn't be weird at all if somehow the King, like happened, had survived the explosion, so if that was the case everyone should know that they should stay far away from him, if they don't want to also be killed by the "poison". But i don't think that was the case, no one mentioned to them this, and consequently, they don't know that they should stay away from them.
I found this a bit weird.

[Ustegius]

I thought Pitou was killed by gon, a few chapters back. Besides even if Killua is suppose to resiste every poison, we're talking about a nucleic poison here. I DON'T think anyone whether normal or not can actually resist something that. I was thinking maybe thier ablity to use ren might be a way to protect themselves, who knows....

It is a manga. And that could be exactly the reason why general word poison used instead the term of radiation poisoning.

[kkck]

Ahh, my bad, I meant pufu. He is the one who was close to killua and komugi not pitou.

[Hamy]

I think that Pufu would probably try to find Komugi and use her as a hostage for the Hunters. Since he still believes that she is an important key for them due to Pitou but he doesn't know that he is a goner. He would probably try to use her in a bargain for an antidote for the Rose's poisoning. But we all know that the humans haven't one because no human survived that long anyway. So this is what I can think of in the moment.

You seem to be forgetting that the King is currently playing a game with Pufu, and that game is Pufu must find Komugi first and kill her before the king sees her and regains his memory in turn punishing Pufu severely. Only reason Pufu has this opportunity to save his skin is because the King was feeling merciful given their connection now. So Pufu using Komugi to bargain for the antidote is unthinkable as the King would catch a glimpse of Komugi, which is precisely what Pufu is trying to hide, and end up game over. Moreover, the king is finally on the move so Pufu doesn't exactly have the luxury of bargaining either since that would take up precious time for the game Pufu is currently playing.


Ahh, my bad, I meant pufu. He is the one who was close to killua and komugi not pitou.

Well perhaps it takes some time before the poison produces it in a harmful enough quantity - I mean Palm is willing to negotiate with the king to delay time till he dies meaning she has some confidence perhaps that the poison is not going to reach her somehow. And given how Killua had interacted with Pufu he was in his lightning mode so probably the poison didn't reach him too. In any event seems like the ones who entered the smouldering flames are the ones who will die from the poisoning, rest don't seem to have been infected.

Course Palm could just be prepared to get infected and die - anycase at this point we don't know how long or much exposure is needed for the Rose poison to be dangerous at the very least Pufu and the King are infected due to being at the ground zero of the explosion.

[Uriel]

I think Togashi is sending a message to the world.

I wonder what will happen to Pufu now since he must be aware something is wrong with his body. Considering that he's drastically weakened and he had exposed himself to the poison when he and the other guard entered the smouldering area where the bomb had detonated I would assume he won't be lasting as long as the king. Moreover, given that the King as well will most likely show symptoms, or Pufu will realize the King is also going to die, I wonder how he will act with regard to his mission of eliminating Komugi since its suddenly become entirely useless to "protect" the King from her since they're both about to die anyways.
You know, I think they will try to hang on life.

Despair is something that indicates humanity. When they realize their humanity, they will hate themselves and therefore, willingful to die. And then the paradox solves itself, because in the moment they accept to die they're overcoming his humanity while accepting it in the same time. Don't know how to explain it properly in English, but I think it will be quite poetic and an epic teaching about humanity as a whole.

Just in the case they feel despair. If not, ignore what I wrote :P

[Ero-Sanji]

I have a general question about the Jairo = meleoron theory.
On what exactly is it based on?

As far as I know Jairo went past the residence that Gon, Killua and Knuckle were seen eating and stuff. This occurred quite long before the king was born and as we know Melereon left the hive at the time the king was born as every commander did. As you can see right here: http://www.mangareader.net/207-14223-10/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-214.html

Besides, Melereon is the nicest of the chimeras along with the octopus. This is how Jairo is described by Togashi himself: http://www.mangareader.net/207-14213-9/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-204.html

As you also can see Gon and Jairo never met and probably won't in this arc whereas I think that Melereon and Gon has shared a few words. I think the Jairo arc will be separate from this one, other than the fact that Jairo is a chimera.

[kkck]

The theory has two merits so far (at least as I see it)

Jairo in his human life was someone who did not want to be noticed, he did not want to be a bother. Meleoron´s abilities make far too much sense with this to ignore.

The second bit is that he kinda resembles the guy with the huge coat that was seen in the jairo chapters with his own coat. jairo was supposed to have a huge impact on the fight against the king, and he kinda has had that impact considering his ability served to catch the ants off guard a number of times.

The one thing that kinda disturbs me is that jairo was supposed to be inherently evil to the core. Meleoron gets along with knuckle far too well for someone who is supposed to be THAT evil. Perhaps he just hasn´t regained all his memories from his previous life hence why he has yet to behave as the manga explanation suggests he should.

[Uriel]

I actually doubt He's a chimera. He's not a human, but He's not a chimera. Maybe He experimented a lot in NGL and the Queen was one of the experiments. She was weak and lost to another thing, but escaped anyway and grew stronger. The thing that won was used in order to adapat Jairo body.
Wild theory of my part, but I'm bored and I don't like the whole Meleoron/Jairo theory

[kkck]

About the poison, I was thinking that perhaps the hunters are already immune to it. If they were planning on using a poweful poison against mereum, perhaps it makes sense to have given the assigned hunters the antidote before hand. It would be troublesome if the hunters sent there were to spread the poison by accident so they were vaccinated beforehand to prevent their death and that of others. Of course this would mean the king kinda has access to the vaccine by ingesting one of the hunters though. Every remaining ant and human there would have a horrible death awaiting them though... They did think the least number of people who would die one way or the other was the 500000 there so its not like things would have gone against their calculations though.

[Ero-Sanji]

I actually doubt He's a chimera. He's not a human, but He's not a chimera. Maybe He experimented a lot in NGL and the Queen was one of the experiments. She was weak and lost to another thing, but escaped anyway and grew stronger. The thing that won was used in order to adapat Jairo body.
Wild theory of my part, but I'm bored and I don't like the whole Meleoron/Jairo theory

This is a good theory but I think it's quite safe to assume that Jairo got eaten and reborn since Welfin mentions it after his wake-up call from the octopus and also from the story about Jairo, we learn that Jairo was to proud to be influenced and controlled by the queen. http://www.mangareader.net/207-14213-9/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-204.html

Anyway, about the poison, it seems as if it mutates/evolves so as to make sure that the victim truly dies. What a horrible thing!
I guess this makes it impossible for at least Killua and Gon to get hit by it but as for Melereon and knuckle it seems as if they are at great risk of dying due to being directly in contact with the King. Palm and Ikalgo would do best to stay away.

[kkck]

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14250-13/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-241.html

Actually..... my name is jail.... How did I miss this lol.

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http://www.mangareader.net/207-14251-12/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-242.html

more so, wasn´t peggy mentioned in the jairo chapters? How in the world did we miss this?

[Ustegius]

I didn't miss, I were just looking the right pages. Jail is awfully close to Jairo. Peggy could have been the kind neighbour in Jairo chapters. There was a kind neighbour right? Atleast I remember something as such.

But it is awfully frustrating. I like Melereon a lot, and have hard time believing he is a bad guy. But there are those possible hints which could indicate that he has a)only regained parts of his memoru b) is fooling Gon & Co. c) His evilness is corporate propaganda/urban legend

Either way it turns out (Melereon is just Melereon, or he is Jairo) it should be interesting.

[kkck]

You have to remember that jappannese has no Ls. In this sense, what meleoron actually said right then is Jair.... It´s not just awefully close, its stopping his actual name in the middle of saying it.

[THM Nindo]

Well, the biggest thing that goes against the Melereon=Jairo theory is that it's said that Gon and him didn't met.
But Gon met Melereon, so...

[Ero-Sanji]

@KcKK

The Jail thing is awfully close, the word Jail is pronounced as "Jairo" that is very strange indeed.

But we can't ignore what I earlier posted.
Jairo left the hive long before the queen died and the king was born, melereon left the minute the monarchy changed. Jairo also said that he would start rebuilding his empire, whereas Melereon is now helping the humans. There's also Peggy who was Meleroen's foster father, Jairo had no such thing only a neighbour that helped him that one time he was sick. On top of that there's the hint toward Gon's and Jairo's meeting being of great importance and that it most definitely would end up pretty bad. Last but not least, the evil that is Jairo, he's being described as a demon of which the world has never seen before. Melereon on the other hand trusts and even puts his own life on the line even if that would eventually and obviously ruin his plans should he be Jairo.

This is something to further look into in the coming arc, I guess.

[THM Nindo]

@KcKK

The Jail thing is awfully close, the word Jail is pronounced as "Jairo" that is very strange indeed.

Regarding their names similarities, here's the actual japanese version of the two names:

Jairo (Gyro): ジャイロ

Romaji: Je-i-ro
Pronounced - Jay-ee-ro

Jail: ジェイル

Romaji: Ja-i-ru
Pronounced - Ja-ee-r


They are quite similar.
But, I doubt there is a link.

Although they sound similar in English, they are not using the same Katakana in Japanese...

[Ustegius]

But when was that said? I thought the Jairo chapters were before meeting Melereon....?

[BurnSchulz]

Please don´t overuse the Word "Poison" all the time.
I´m highly sure that like Ustegius said before this socalled "Poison" is nothing else than Radiation sickness.

You should know how radiation works in real life: The more of Radiation you contain, the worse it is. And a Nuclear explosion spreads the most radiation right after the explosion, just a split second later the radiation of most of the radioactive substances spread out due to the nuclear explosion is weakened by half.
So if your body suffered to much time in radioactive area or to much of it in short time (Like right after the explosion) you will get radiation sickness. (I dont know if radiation sickness is the right term but i think you will understand me.)
Radiation Sickness kills body cells, and dead body cells start to rot, rotten cells are than again poison to the Body. That´s why radiation sickness is unhealable, the more cells it destroys, slowly but clearly, than the poison of the rotten cells stress the body even more.

I would say with the Poison-thing togashi wanted to describe exactly this, without using the words we would use in our world. The nuclear bomb he described as "Rose". And to be honest, i say it´s very interesting to hear such suitable paraphrases. Togashi is one of the best writers after all. he can describe complicated things to a child without the risk that the child misunderstands it.

And further: Even if Gon, Killuah or somebody else has direct contact with the contaminated ones, they wouldn´t get too much of the radiation to suffer the same level. It would be much to less, but that could change if they go to where the Bomb exploded. Its easier to get a high radiation level where the whole area is radiated, as from a single person wich suffered inside this area.

(Hope the post isn´t too hard to understand, because i partially had a hard time finding the right words.)

[kkck]

Well, the biggest thing that goes against the Melereon=Jairo theory is that it's said that Gon and him didn't met.
But Gon met Melereon, so...

The gyro chapters happened long before meleoron was introduced.
http://www.mangareader.net/207-14212-15/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-203.html
http://www.mangareader.net/207-14213-9/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-204.html

At the time they did not meet by chance but the chapters explicitly stated gon and gyro will eventually meet.

Now, couldn't the same be the same but using different jap letters or whatnot? I think that is done somewhat often in some mangas.... Anyways, there are far too many coincidences for gyro to not be meleoron. Peggy, similar clothin, the obvious correlation between his abilities and upbringing, the fate meeting, his full name almost slipping out of him.... I don't see how meleoron = gyro is not a fact...

[luffyg2]

Man at first I was kind of confused while reading the chapter so I had to go back and read a bunch of chapter that came before this one... anyway it was an ok chapter.. and im not really sad that the king will die soon because the ant arc was the one I liked the least so the fact that it will end does not really annoy me

[NenUser]

'' You look but you don't see '' !!! I think Togashi planed '' poison rose bomb '' one years ago , that's awesome .Try a look back chapter 310 and you guys will know what i mean :) . You are greatest mangaka , Togashi !!!

http://www.mangareader.net/207-52318-8/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-310.html
http://www.mangareader.net/207-52318-13/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-310.html
http://www.mangareader.net/207-52318-19/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-310.html

[NoFreakingWay]

There is a bit that worried me this chapter. The people exposed to the poison were said to start producing another poison which in turn infects others rather easily.


Yes, that's what I'm worried about as well. Does this mean Meleoron and Knuckle will get irradiated because of proximity to Meryem?

And if this irradiation becomes real then Meryem can still wreck widespread havoc upon a wide area. Remember that he absorbed Pufu and now has the Beelzebub ability. He could split up and just try to irradiate as many people as he can if the radiation poisoning really acts that way.

Besides we still have the "human fruits", the people who got converted and are now being incubated in those pods in the Meat Garden. What will happen if they wake up? Will they be at least Knuckle-level nen users when they arise?

Although I got relieved of the possibility of the death of the King by radiation poisoning, I am still vastly worried about the state of Gon.

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Here's some hindsight I wanna share with you guys. Looking back on the chapters before the Hiatus....

When Meryem, Yupi and Pufu came back from the Rose explosion site, only Meryem and Yupi were shown to have nosebleeds. Meryem mentions that he's still feeling a lot of pain from the resulting explosion. Yupi, who dove staight into the flames, wasn't shown to receive some adverse effects at first except from some major burns. He didn't describe some other, possibly internal pain just like what Meryem felt. Pufu seemed to be OK as he has been able to give chase to Killua despite experiencing a massive downgrading of power which he described while trying to spread spores; however he attributed this to his act of contributing some cells and nen to Meryem.

I found the nosebleeds weird. Only Meryem and Yupi were shown to have nosebleeds and Pufu still had to be seen having one back then, obviously. So I thought the nosebleeds had something to do with Yupi getting beaten up by (probably) Werefin, and that since Meryem and Yupi were connected, what happens to Yupi should happen to Meryem as well. But since all 3 are linked through Meryem, Pufu should have experienced nosebleeding at that point as well. I was then led to think that this won't spill over to Pufu then.

At one point I found myself thinking that the nosebleeds were caused by Netero's continuous barrage of palm strikes. If one remembers, Biscuit explained something about Gon's Jan Ken Rock, Scissors and Paper. The Rock technique causes massive direct external damage. Scissors target certain weakspots and would be slashing damage in Gon's technique. Paper, however, inflicted internal damage and was associated with palms. So that led me to think that the nosebleed was a result of the accumulation of the internal damage caused by the hundreds of thousands of palm strikes Meryem received. Meryem's linkage to Pufu and Yupi should have then caused nosebleeds originating this way on both Royal Guards, but since it was limited to Yupi at that time it wouldn't explain how Pufu would not have a nosebleed when it should.

It turns out that the nosebleeds are caused by the radiation exposure after all. Meryem, since he was at the very heart of the explosion, should have died first, but because of Yupi's and Pufu's sacrifices he lived longer than Yupi. Since Yupi dove straight into the flames of the explosion, he not only sustained burns but also decreased his resistance to the radiation when he decided to give his cells to the King, and so he died first. Pufu did not sustain nosebleeds instantly because some part of him was scattered around the Meat Garden and those parts of him who indeed went to the King's side didn't foolishly jump into the flames as Yupi did (as that would immediately set them ablaze) and just waited until most of the flames subsided.

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Holy crap this just dawned on me: Imagine if the irradiation leading to chain deaths was really THAT much of a threat.Then no one in Meat Garden would survive! That means although we might get more scenes from Werefin, Ikarugo, Meleoron, Palm, Meryem, Komugi, Pufu, Bizef (yeah we haven't forgotten about you, but you might have already escaped by now, so...) AND Hina (that nen-erasing ant whose belly grows larger?), they might all die due to being irradiated. Plus all of the people milling around the Meat Garden compound. All of them experiencing nosebleeds at the same time! AND DYING ONE BY ONE! Remember, when Meryem caught Knuckle and Meleoron they were amongst the people milling around. So Meryem might have irradiated a lot of people when he dropped by! Then the mission would have failed! That's the main reason why Netero had to take the King to the testing site anyways, to save those people from the explosion. Imagine the bodycount if all of them got irradiated and died! The words "The End is beyond the mountain of corpses and the river of blood" would make more complete sense (since a lot of people have died already by being food to the Chimera Ants)! Imagine the devastation, imagine a scene where Killua and Gon wanders the ruins of the Meat Garden and saw thousands of corpses and people dying one by one due to the irradiation! The stench would rise to the heavens! Jeez my imagination is running wild because of this irradiation chain death possibility. But what a totally sobering end to the Chimera Ant arc that would make!

[Ero-Sanji]

The gyro chapters happened long before meleoron was introduced.
http://www.mangareader.net/207-14212-15/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-203.html
http://www.mangareader.net/207-14213-9/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-204.html

At the time they did not meet by chance but the chapters explicitly stated gon and gyro will eventually meet.

It doesn't really matter since Jairo was the first to leave the hive, when Jairo left, Melereon was still in the hive.
There's also the hint toward Gon and Jairo meeting resulting in quite a bad situation since the auther writes that it was perhaps fortunate for the two of them to not meet each other.

To be honest those "coincidences" aren't really that legit.

1. Peggy - Melereon's foster father. Jairo had no such thing. There's also the fact that he doesn't mention Ikalgo nor Welfin and those were sort of his best pals. On top of that the old neighbour who he could have thought of as his foster father was somebody he had left for over 18 years ago prior to his death and rebirth. Melereon and Peggy seemed much closer.
2. The clothing - Jairo wore a very big Jacket, whereas Melereon is wearing something more of a one piece.
3. Abilities and Upbringing - Yes, I agree those are mysteriously close, but that's the old Jairo, the kid. The adult regarded himself as a king, he created a nation, made friends and such. There's no point in hiding for someone like that.
4. The name - This is the thing that makes me still believe somewhat in this very forced theory. Why bother make such a close hint when there's so much that goes against the idea of Melereon = Jairo.
5. Evilness - Jairo left the town, to start anew, he's an evil plan of spreading evil all around the world. Why in his right mind would he return? What does he gain by acting kind and putting his life on the line and especially explaining his power? No, I can't really buy it. On top of that there's still the fact that Jairo had left the hive when Melereon was still treated as a goon.

[NoFreakingWay]

It doesn't really matter since Jairo was the first to leave the hive, when Jairo left, Melereon was still in the hive.
There's also the hint toward Gon and Jairo meeting resulting in quite a bad situation since the auther writes that it was perhaps fortunate for the two of them to not meet each other.

To be honest those "coincidences" aren't really that legit.

1. Peggy - Melereon's foster father. Jairo had no such thing. There's also the fact that he doesn't mention Ikalgo nor Welfin and those were sort of his best pals. On top of that the old neighbour who he could have thought of as his foster father was somebody he had left for over 18 years ago prior to his death and rebirth. Melereon and Peggy seemed much closer.
2. The clothing - Jairo wore a very big Jacket, whereas Melereon is wearing something more of a one piece.
3. Abilities and Upbringing - Yes, I agree those are mysteriously close, but that's the old Jairo, the kid. The adult regarded himself as a king, he created a nation, made friends and such. There's no point in hiding for someone like that.
4. The name - This is the thing that makes me still believe somewhat in this very forced theory. Why bother make such a close hint when there's so much that goes against the idea of Melereon = Jairo.
5. Evilness - Jairo left the town, to start anew, he's an evil plan of spreading evil all around the world. Why in his right mind would he return? What does he gain by acting kind and putting his life on the line and especially explaining his power? No, I can't really buy it. On top of that there's still the fact that Jairo had left the hive when Melereon was still treated as a goon.

1. That's why I thought Meleoron was lying to Gon when he said Peggy was his father. If Jairo was Meleoron he would hide the fact that he's a super evil criminal mind in his past life to avoid the risk of losing a possible ally in Gon. He needed Gon to bring Meryem down, whose kind ruined his empire. Gon was a link between him and the Hunters, who have the ability to take down Meryem. Meleoron obviously doesn't have the power or the resources at this time so he needed the help of Hunters to take down Meryem. He had to use a convenient excuse, a dramatic one, to make people like Gon trust him. That's how I think Meleoron's relationship to Peggy was all made up.

2. The clothing is no real problem. Meleoron could wear whatever the heck he wants to wear, especially in public. However you have to consider how Meleoron looks right now. The baggy clothes that hide his features will be convenient to Meleoron, who doesn't obviously want to be recognized, for he definitely looks weird right now. Thus he needs the heavy big jacket that has a hood that covers his face. You don't think he has to use Perfect Plan all the time while simply wandering around, would you? So to have at least some mobility in the human world in this form he has to wear something that conceals what he looks like. And it's not like people will mind his heavy jacket. He looks like an ordinary person that blends in with the crowd. And we do have people who walk around in clothing like that. It is also good to point out that Meleoron's form is not too radically different from a human, so he could still afford to wear human clothes without being detected that he's actually an ant. His feet are mercifully small enough to possibly wear a pair of shoes like the one Jairo is shown walking around in. And he just needs to put his hands in his pockets to hide his slightly deformed hands, just like Jairo has done while he was shown walking around. Meleoron's actual face is not that radical from a human if we ignore the fact that he has gigantic eyes now, which does need to be concealed under a hood to avoid attention. The clothes Jairo wore do make sense in Meleoron's condition.

3. Jairo's NGL had two faces: One was the environmentalist neo-luddite face that most people know. That's the face he sells to the public. His kingdom's other face is the drug smuggling underworld, THAT's the real kingdom of Jairo. He is not a king in the sense of a warlord like Meryem who has nothing to fear for Meryem has the power and the force to make his plans take their course. His real kingdom is the kingdom of narcotics trade which operates under the shadows of the innocent environmentalist neo-luddite society. That's how he rose to power in just a few years (nine years?). In the real world, that's probably how one can also rise up in rank and power that fast. You do it all in the shadows, using drug money. That is what Jairo is about. If you gain money through drugs, do you think you will declare war on the world like Meryem is doing right now? You will be hunted all the time. You want things to be quiet and hush up people using money. That is how Jairo operates. In the shadows. Much like Meleoron.

4. The ideas that go against Meleoron being Jairo are slowly being dissected in this post.

5. What does he gain by befriending humans? Toppling a grave threat in Meryem of course. How do you become a King again with a force like Meryem around? Meryem must then be exterminated. If he becomes a hero in this war, all the better. He will be able to maintain a facade of goodness while secretly building up his power all over again.

[Kiba]

next week no WSJ so no hunter x hunter nnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooo

[ilovemanga]

im confused about the bomb. Was it made from Netero's nen or is it just a normal bomb?

[Ero-Sanji]

@Nofreakingway

A part from the clothes which could obviously be a disguise to hide from the people, I have to disagree with a lot of what you wrote.
First of all it's Peggy, Jairo has no idea this guy is dead. Why? Because he left the hive before the queen had died. Why would Jairo the man who wanted to start over "from nothing" as he said, return to the queen? Why? Meleoron was there when the queen died, Jairo was already gone at that time. Simple as that.

It also seems as if he's real name was Jail, plain and simple Jail and not Jairo/Gyro as THM Nindo showed us.

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14225-9/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-216.html
Here you can see that these commanders has started on their own journeys, since they are no longer bound to the queen whereas Jairo or Gyro started his a long time before that.

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14285-11/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-276.html
This is also one of the more interesting scenes, should Meleoron be Gyro. Apparently, Gyro according to Togashi had already recollected his memory due to his pure evilness. If Meleoron was Gyro than he wouldn't have nothing to fear against Welfin since they were very good friends as humans. All he had to do was to persuade him just like Ikalgo did. Yet, Meleoron was terrified at the sight of Welfin as if he didn't anything on him.

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14285-7/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-276.html
Last but not least, this is not the sight of an empty and evil man...

[kkck]

Meleoron did not necessarily recognize welfin though, remember he looks very different from before.

not to mention being evil does not mean meleoron is not allowed to have friends nor relate to people. I very much doubt one way or another jairo would get to be king by being an empty friendless bastard. For him to reach such a position he necessarily needs to have charisma and lead. Even real life ruthless dictators are generally charismatic people with plenty of friends and loved ones and with enough charisma that if they were to covert it into money they would be able to sustain said dictatorships indefinitely. Hitler and castro are obvious examples of this. There is a chance that meeting gon actually changed meleoron a bit, he was quite affected by the meeting if I recall.

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Another thing is that we are assuming meleoron actually told the truth about a bunch of things. Serving the queen, caring for peggy..... he was a king himself, in this regard mereum is kinda in the way. We never actually even saw meleoron leading a division if I recall.

[Ero-Sanji]

Meleoron did not necessarily recognize welfin though, remember he looks very different from before.

not to mention being evil does not mean meleoron is not allowed to have friends nor relate to people. I very much doubt one way or another jairo would get to be king by being an empty friendless bastard. For him to reach such a position he necessarily needs to have charisma and lead. Even real life ruthless dictators are generally charismatic people with plenty of friends and loved ones and with enough charisma that if they were to covert it into money they would be able to sustain said dictatorships indefinitely. Hitler and castro are obvious examples of this. There is a chance that meeting gon actually changed meleoron a bit, he was quite affected by the meeting if I recall.

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Another thing is that we are assuming meleoron actually told the truth about a bunch of things. Serving the queen, caring for peggy..... he was a king himself, in this regard mereum is kinda in the way. We never actually even saw meleoron leading a division if I recall.

True, but Ikalgo seemed to have remembered him and there's also the fact that Meleoron remembered Peggy and thus should have been able to remember both Ikalgo and Welfin, as well.

Furthermore, I don't think anyone said that an evil man is the same as a lonely man. As I stated above it's known that Gyro had friends. Regarding on how his best friend was exactly the same as him, remember Welfin also lead a horrible childhood with his on father strangling him while his mother just stood there, I'm sure he surrounded himself with people who suffered the same treatment as he did. Meleoron is showing a lot of empathy even for complete strangers as he did for shoot. That's not what a pure evil man would, if he had cried for Welfin or Ikalgo that's one thing but not for someone he just met, that doesn't ad up.

Meleoron did lead a division and that's how he met Gon, studying him while he slew his men. This is also a thing that contradicts the Meleoron = Gyro theory. When Melereon is out there serving the queen and leading his division, Gyro had already left the colony. That was the first thing he did after being reborn due to being pure evil.

[Tombadgerlock]

n 309 or 310, Pufu went and used his scales to hypnotize the people there (100 poeple or so?) If the poison is contagious, they should all die.

As would Knuckle/meleoron, who were there too.

[kkck]

Ikarugo did not recognize welfin from how he looked, what happened was the extreme opposite of that. Ikarugo recognized welfin because he recognized the way he behaved. As thing are, ikarugo and co could look straight into gyro´s eyes and still not recognize him due to looking different from what he used to.

[Host Samurai]

n 309 or 310, Pufu went and used his scales to hypnotize the people there (100 poeple or so?) If the poison is contagious, they should all die.

As would Knuckle/meleoron, who were there too.

I don't think that the 'poison' will have an instant effect on Knuckle and Meleoron because they weren't exposed to it, at least not for a long time. But the people who were hypnotized by it might not have a good chance surviving it due to them being directly exposed by it. The foreshadowing in the color spread might indicate that many people will die.

[kkck]

many people have already died.... The good guys never even considered they could win without at least half a mil casualties. if everyone there dies due to the poison it is still within the calculations of the good guys.

[Fox666]

I really liked that chapter. It was awesome as always.

I sort of imagined this happening before (the effects of the radiation from the nuclear explosion), but I would expect for Pufu and Meryem being so screwed by it.

[Uriel]

Well, I don't care who dies as long as Killua and Gon are alright. Which concerns me the most right now, since Gon lost an arm and has yet to pay his technique.

[NoFreakingWay]

@Nofreakingway

A part from the clothes which could obviously be a disguise to hide from the people, I have to disagree with a lot of what you wrote.
First of all it's Peggy, Jairo has no idea this guy is dead. Why? Because he left the hive before the queen had died. Why would Jairo the man who wanted to start over "from nothing" as he said, return to the queen? Why? Meleoron was there when the queen died, Jairo was already gone at that time. Simple as that.

It also seems as if he's real name was Jail, plain and simple Jail and not Jairo/Gyro as THM Nindo showed us.

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14225-9/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-216.html
Here you can see that these commanders has started on their own journeys, since they are no longer bound to the queen whereas Jairo or Gyro started his a long time before that.

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14285-11/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-276.html
This is also one of the more interesting scenes, should Meleoron be Gyro. Apparently, Gyro according to Togashi had already recollected his memory due to his pure evilness. If Meleoron was Gyro than he wouldn't have nothing to fear against Welfin since they were very good friends as humans. All he had to do was to persuade him just like Ikalgo did. Yet, Meleoron was terrified at the sight of Welfin as if he didn't anything on him.

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14285-7/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-276.html
Last but not least, this is not the sight of an empty and evil man...

You are simply operating that Jairo is not Meleoron and Jairo has not and will not return to the colony, which is simple to counter.

The advantages of returning to the colony are obvious. Let's say we are operating under the idea that Jairo is Meleoron. Since no one knows he is Jairo, no one knows of his motives yet. He can freely move in and out of the colony since Meleoron holds a rank in the hierarchy. He can therefore do two things.

1. He can make possible allies, although not by revealing he is Jairo. This would be a big mistake and will result only in a painful death. Anyone could claim he is Jairo and trust is low amongst each division division commander anyways. However, one can at least connive with other Division commanders in a way that won't run counter to their own plan to become King. If he has somehow gained the trust of a commander through favors, he could then possibly move to invoking their human memories and their hatred against the Chimera Ants, as what has happened to Werefin after being defeated by Ikarugo.

2. More importantly, he could observe the movements of the enemies and relay the information to the Hunters once he has defected to their side. All under the guise of being a Chimera Ant.

Besides, when Meleoron was hanging around the colony, the seat of power was with the Queen, therefore his position still held water. It would be harder to communicate with the others during the King's regime since the commanders are no longer forced to unify. At the King's regime Meleoron knows they would instinctually pursue their own paths toward becoming a King.

Therefore moving around the colony before the King was born was easy and beneficial to Jairo as Meleoron. Simple as that.

This link...

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14225-9/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-216.html

contains no problem against Jairo being Meleoron. Meleoron was just reacting to the movements of the Chimera Ants. The others had dispersed already and it would be hard to stick around them any longer. Besides it will be hard to move when the King is near. That is the time when Meleoron can contemplate on how to defect to the side of the Hunters.

And the point you made in regards to this link...

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14285-11/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-276.html

is easy to counter. Werefin's defection to the Hunters' side was facilitated by his defeat at the tentacles of Ikarugo. When he was defeated, talks about their former human identities were initiated. In Meleron's case this would be near impossible. First, as Meleoron noted, Werefin is the biggest skeptic among the commanders. He would not be able to convince Werefin that he is Jairo if he is indeed Jairo especially during the time of the infiltration. It's also not a convenient time to negotiate with Werefin since they have their hands full with the Royal Guards. Besides, Meleoron himself admitted he was weak. He would have no means of silencing Werefin if negotiations based on his identity as Jairo would take place AND fail, unlike Ikarugo, which had the capability of defeating Werefin. So in short, Meleoron just took the normally safe route and just stayed the heck away from Werefin. It was just too inconvenient for his plans at the time.

As for this link?

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14285-7/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-276.html

This a more speculative answer.

Now, when you're an evil criminal mind, do you necessarily have to be evil towards your allies?
Jairo has built a kingdom in a short span of time (nine years?). Do you really think he would get that far if he was completely inhuman, as in, chaotic evil? He would, but but he's no Meryem. Most villains who are chaotic evil and have been able to build a vast kingdom are the equivalents of Meryem in power in their respective worlds.
Jairo is most likely to fall under the Lawful Evil alignment or Affably Evil trope.
In the HxH universe, Gon and Ging Freecs are examples of people who had gained a lot of friends and notoriety in a relatively short span of time, especially Gon.
Jairo could have had the charisma of Gon, it's just that he wants to have a criminal empire.
Remember how Xaicahal (spelling?) or Werefin remembered Jairo? He remembered Jairo FONDLY, as if they were brothers.

http://www.mangareader.net/207-47012-15/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-296.html
http://www.mangareader.net/207-47012-16/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-296.html

These scenes reinforce my point that Jairo is completely inhuman and evil, as most people think he is. Therefore the argument that Jairo is completely heartless is shattered now.

And about the controversy about the name?

Here's the link that shows the "Jail" name controversy:

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14250-13/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-241.html

If we observe Meleoron's spiel, it's obvious he STOPPED uttering his name midway. He stopped himself from completely uttering what possibly could have been Jairo and said "No, Meleoron". It's to protect his identity, and therefore his plans.

The differences in Katakana most likely resulted in Meleoron mispronouncing the other syllables because he had remembered not to reveal his true name and stopping himself just in time to say "No, Meleoron".

Additionallly, since he was just coming out of the Perfect Plan, which required him to hold his breath, the mispronunciation of the syllables would be more apparent especially if he tries to stop himself from completely uttering the name. He was even showing panting, catching his breath, and it would be somewhat easy to mispronounce things you have no intention of saying if you are panting.

[Uriel]

The only reason I say He's not the same one is because of the huge coat He is seen with. Too much differences with the one Meleoron has. Knowing Togashi, it's to hide something else. Meleoron has shown his body.

I really doubt He's Jairo, but I guess the theory isn't invalid at all. At this point I just prefer to not be because it would ruin the story and leave us without that excellent cliffhanger.

[NoFreakingWay]

The only reason I say He's not the same one is because of the huge coat He is seen with. Too much differences with the one Meleoron has. Knowing Togashi, it's to hide something else. Meleoron has shown his body.

I really doubt He's Jairo, but I guess the theory isn't invalid at all. At this point I just prefer to not be because it would ruin the story and leave us without that excellent cliffhanger.

As I've said in one of the LONG posts I've made, if Jairo is Meleoron, Meleoron HAD to hide his body using clothes because He's a Chimera Ant and he's walking amongst normal human beings. Would you want to be mobbed by humans because of how you look? No, right? So you do have to wear clothes that hide your form.

Now Jairo, if he's as powerful as Leol or as fast as Zitoh, would have just strolled in the middle of a city with his form exposed and then not give a heck if people would assault him. But he didn't. He bothered himself with wearing heavy clothing, hiding his face. Wouldn't that be weird for a Chimera Ant who's supposed to be more powerful than the normal human being (and at least, your normal Hunter, like Pokkle, as Pike the spider demonstrated). That he chose to hide tells me he either doesn't like killing people much, or he doesn't have the capability to handle humans if he's confronted by them. He just chose to sneak around people.

Besides, Meleoron is not like the other Chimera Ants who have openly shown their faces to the world (ex. Leol, Zitoh, and the lobster guy). He has so far only shown himself to the Hunters. He didn't waste time like the others. He just chose to sneak around people.

About Jairo being Meleoron ruining the story, that's your opinion. I don't mind if he is. That just tells me Meleoron will be capable of doing great things, although they might be evil, criminal things.

[Uriel]

And that doesn't make any sense, considering the posture and how Meleoron is dressed. Makes no sense in general that change of cloth when the latter one fulfills the same purpose easily.

[NoFreakingWay]

And that doesn't make any sense, considering the posture and how Meleoron is dressed. Makes no sense in general that change of cloth when the latter one fulfills the same purpose easily.

I really don't get this post of yours. What doesn't make sense about Meleoron having to wear clothing that will hide his appearance from people that will become afraid of him or would want to attack him? Do you think Meleoron would use Perfect Plan all the time then? Do you think that, if Jairo was Meleoron, he would risk exposing himself to people that might kill him? Would that be beneficial to Jairo's plan of rebuilding? He has to hide. If Jairo is Meleoron, he would not risk needless confrontation with people, unlike Leol and the others. He would just try to blend it wit the crowd to gain mobility amongst it. What doesn't make sense about that?

[Ero-Sanji]

@nofreakingway

You are totally neglecting the fact that when Jairo left, Meleoron was still at the hive. There's nothing that states otherwise and it sure is crazy that he returned. Remember if he's Meleoron, he's very weak, no sane person and certainly not an extremely evil villain would return to such a dangerous place. I mean what was the point of even leaving in the first place. This is just like an conspiracy theory were one dive too much into some facts and totally neglect the others. But the thing that really kills it is when he reveals everything to Gon, everything. That really contradicts the calm and collected Gyro.

I mean the name thing was already proven to be wrong in another post. First of all Jairo is Gyro and Jail is Jail. The one who proved this also stated how it was spelled in Japanese. No need to bother around that anymore. As far as the three dots go, it's also a sign of silence, as in he's correcting himself and now goes by a new name.

Jairo or rather Gyro was the man who smashed in the head of his own father, why would he cry for a man he just met. I know and I stated before that he had friends and in a series like HxH villains crying for their comrades isn't an impossibility as we saw with Lucilfer. But for the most evil creature on earth to cry for someone he just met... come on. Togashi has created a beast in Gyro and I think if Meleoron's way of thinking, acting and reacting contradicts the evil that is Gyro. Also, take not to why Gyro and Welfin became friends in the first place, because they were both empty.

As far as I'm concerned there's a lot of "can" and "could", as usual in speculation. To me this is a theory that blossomed to due the whole "Jail" thing and now every little detail and coincidence turns into facts and hints. For example the strongest argument, about Gyro leaving the hive almost the minute he was (re)born. I don't know if you missed it but the reason why he left was because of his own conviction of being a king on his own, a memory he gained due to being a body of evil. Why would Gyro, the man whose single motivation and plan is to spread evil on earth risk his life for a mere group of hunters?

The ending of the Jairo chapter goes like this: ... And Gyro left this town and disappeared somewhere.
Then there's Ikalgo's words of Welfin being free to seek out Gyro after he has held his end of the bargain. Once again a hint toward Gyro being in a distant place.

Also, here's Meleoron at the invasion of NGL: (Welfin and Ikalgo is nowhere to bee seen since they haven't been eaten yet, that same thing sould apply to Gyro too.) http://www.mangareader.net/207-14198-8/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-189.html
Remember why Gyro left, then why is he still there following the Queens orders, should he be Meleoron? It's also quite strange how he simply, participates in destroying the land he built, killing of the people he led and destroying the business that he started. It doesn't add up...

[Uriel]

I really don't get this post of yours. What doesn't make sense about Meleoron having to wear clothing that will hide his appearance from people that will become afraid of him or would want to attack him? Do you think Meleoron would use Perfect Plan all the time then? Do you think that, if Jairo was Meleoron, he would risk exposing himself to people that might kill him? Would that be beneficial to Jairo's plan of rebuilding? He has to hide. If Jairo is Meleoron, he would not risk needless confrontation with people, unlike Leol and the others. He would just try to blend it wit the crowd to gain mobility amongst it. What doesn't make sense about that?
That the clothes used as Meleoron are disguisible enough and has no sense to disguise AGAIN. See Togashi enemies, they don't change cloth just because. They tend to only change when they were presented already.
And considering Meleoron abilities there is no point into mixing into the crowd when He can become completely invisible. :/

Also, him having his Hatsu techniques shown makes what I call a waste of development (In my previous post)

---------- Post added at 11:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:10 PM ----------

Also, something interesting...He seems to wear a suit that resembles a lot of someone in jail. (Meleoron) Maybe in his previous life He was a convict of NGL.

[NoFreakingWay]

That the clothes used as Meleoron are disguisible enough and has no sense to disguise AGAIN. See Togashi enemies, they don't change cloth just because. They tend to only change when they were presented already.
And considering Meleoron abilities there is no point into mixing into the crowd when He can become completely invisible. :/

Also, him having his Hatsu techniques shown makes what I call a waste of development (In my previous post)

Meleoron's hoodie doesn't seem to be able to cover his face the way Jairo's hoodie can.
Meleoron would want to change outfits just like the way Killua did when he was tracking the Ryodan with Senritsu.
Jairo AND Meleoron can damn well mix into the crowd using Zetsu AND In. Meleoron's Hatsu Perfect Plan REQUIRES him to HOLD HIS DAMN BREATH. :/ Do you think Meleoron will hold his breath all the time so that he could just blend in with the crowd?

Wearing clothing that will obscure their features is a lot easier than having to use Zetsu, In or Perfect Plan. So it makes perfect sense.

What I really don't get about this clothing argument is about how the hell would it completely negate the possibility the Jairo is Meleoron. It simply cannot. There's nothing in Jairo's appearance that makes him totally different from Meleoron so far. In fact the clothing Jairo wore would help Meleoron HIDE HIS DAMN TAIL.

[Uriel]

See last panel. (http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter204/153401-2.html) And then this page (Fourth panel) (http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter242/153454-13.html)

And you'll understand why I completely negate the possibility of Jairo being Meleoron. Suit aside, since I think Togashi doesn't change clothes because He's lazy. :P

[NoFreakingWay]

See last panel. (http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter204/153401-2.html) And then this page (Fourth panel) (http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter242/153454-13.html)

And you'll understand why I completely negate the possibility of Jairo being Meleoron. Suit aside, since I think Togashi doesn't change clothes because He's lazy. :P

This has nothing to do with your clothing argument. I take it you have given up on it then.

As for what Meleoron said in the panel you posted I have given 2 theories already in my older posts:

1. Peggy is not the biological father of Meleoron but rather the "old guy who lives next door" who took care of Jairo when he was sick.

http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter204/153401-3.html

Take note that in the second link you used:

http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter242/153454-13.html

Meleoron could only remember bits and scraps of his memories. It might as well have been messed up. Jairo at the time attributed the care he received when he was sick to his own biological father when the drunk guy in the next page did say that it was the old guy who took care of him in reality. Meleoron's probably back to that state of mind where he thinks his biological father is the one who was kind to him at one point since his memories are still messed up.

or

2. Meleoron might have just been lying to Gon about Peggy being his foster father. Peggy's death at Meryem's hand is a perfect dramatic reason that could be used to make Gon sympathize with him. It's a fake reason that will hide his true identity and intention for getting back at the King. Avenging someone's father is not really worth all the hassle and risk facing Meryem, now, but this could just be me.

[Uriel]

You're not reading, seems.
Neo Green Life. Versus. Machines to build. Easy. More?
Jairo created Neo Green Life. Foster Parent had a NGL book when Meleoron was a kid. Not clear enough yet?

But for me, even if that is the strongest argument that invalidates every single one of all the ones I've read, I pick the cloth as the main hint. As I said, Togashi is lazy.

[NoFreakingWay]

You're not reading, seems.
Neo Green Life. Versus. Machines to build. Easy. More?
Jairo created Neo Green Life. Foster Parent had a NGL book when Meleoron was a kid. Not clear enough yet?


Huh? This doesn't make sense at all. Maybe my English is messed up?

It was never said there that Peggy carried the NGL manual around when Meleoron was still a kid, it was only said there that Peggy would always carry the NGL Manual around him when he was still alive. You are the one that's not reading.

Neo Green Life's FRONT is that they were against machines, but Kaito explained that beneath that facade, NGL was producing the D2 drug. They were even shown using guns.

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14201-7/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-192.html
http://www.mangareader.net/207-14201-9/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-192.html
http://www.mangareader.net/207-14201-10/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-192.html

The ones who were against machines were the ones who didn't know about the operations Jairo undertook. But Jairo and his gang were actively using machines to develop and distribute the drugs and defend themselves.

You are the one who's not reading.

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Although it's barely a respectable argument, I feel I have to counter the thinking that Togashi won't change Meleoron's clothing because he's lazy. That's because a lot of characters in HxH changed costumes/clothing, when they had to, and when they just felt like having a new look.

Gon had to change clothes when he entered NGL. Killua had a lot of clothing changes when he felt like it. Netero changed into his fighting costume before his most important fight. Most of the Ryodan have been shown to at least changed costumes once (when the original members were young, and when some of the members had changed into suits when they posed as part of the auction officers). I think only Kurotopi and Bonorenolf (to some extent) didn't change clothes. Even Hisoka changed costumes when he felt like it. Among the characters of the Chimera Ant arc, Palm had underwent 2 good makeovers. Of course, the Chimera Ants barely had to change clothes; probably Zazan was explicitly shown to use any other clothing (that piece of clothing Feitan ruined). As for Meleoron, he's probably the type to change clothing because it's his nature to sneak around and blend, as I have said in my earlier post.

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By the way, it was never said that Jairo had physically left the colony when he was reborn as a Chimera Ant. It was only said that since he was reborn, the Queen wasn't able to control him because of his determination, will and pride as a King of NGL.

http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter203/153399-14.html
http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter204/153401-9.html

That eliminates the thinking that Jairo and Meleoron is not the same person by claiming Jairo had physically left the colony when he was reborn. He was probably just hanging around and going wherever the hell it pleased him (like when he was shown walking around the same place Gon was in in the chapter dedicated to him).

[Uriel]

You say I make no sense, and even so avoids to answer the actual point of the argument. Straw man fallacy is not something you can pull for too long without the other getting annoyed in Internet Forums, so be careful with others to avoid bashing and flame wars.

And what's NOT logical is that the father of Meleoron (It doesn't matter if it's the father or not) has the manual of NGL...Which is FOUNDED by Jairo. Need to make the time line or you still has doubts?

PS: Respectable arguments doesn't work against effective arguments.

[BurnSchulz]

Since when ever would humans eaten by Chimera Ant Queen and revived as Chimera ant soldier keep their clothes?

And besides of this i also dont understand why it would be important to know if Meleron is Jairo for real.
What advantages or disadvantages would arise through this knowledge?

[NoFreakingWay]

You say I make no sense, and even so avoids to answer the actual point of the argument. Straw man fallacy is not something you can pull for too long without the other getting annoyed in Internet Forums, so be careful with others to avoid bashing and flame wars.

And what's NOT logical is that the father of Meleoron (It doesn't matter if it's the father or not) has the manual of NGL...Which is FOUNDED by Jairo. Need to make the time line or you still has doubts?

PS: Respectable arguments doesn't work against effective arguments.

What is not logical about Peggy holding the manual of NGL all the time?

In one of my arguments, I said Peggy might be the "old guy next door", the one who has taken care of Jairo, not his biological father. If this is the case, it would make sense that Peggy is dragging the manual of NGL around. How? Two things come to mind:

1. Jairo might have repaid the geezer Peggy's kindness by giving him a position in NGL.

or

2. Peggy might have become so proud of what Jairo has become (the founder of NGL) that he has dragged around a copy of the NGL manual everywhere he went.

The old man who took care of Jairo wasn't mentioned to have died anytime before NGL was founded and when NGL was running, so it is entirely possible that he lived on to become the Peggy Meleoron recognizes as his father. With this, the argument still follows the timeline. Nothing wrong there.

Now for the second argument, in which I mentioned Meleoron lied that Peggy was his father, and just used this lie to convince Gon to become his ally. This completely avoid the convoluted speculation about Meleoron's relationship to Peggy now, and it does not matter if Peggy carried the manual of NGL anymore or not.
Nothing wrong there.

And yes, you just made no sense and I completely attacked your argument with the long post that you seem to have ignored. But in case you want me to kindly reattack you nonsense argument, let me do it then:

What I am attacking there is not the fact that Peggy was carrying around the NGL manual, what I am attacking is that you added "when Meleoron was still a kid".

It was never mentioned in any page that Peggy carried the manual when Meleoron was still a kid.

I repeat.

It was never mentioned in any page that Peggy carried the manual when Meleoron was still a kid.

What was said there was Peggy always carried around the NGL manual when Peggy was still alive. Meaning, if Meleoron was Jairo, and Peggy is the old guy living next door, then Peggy the old guy must have survived until the creation of NGL and was turned into an NGL follower due to the reason I mentioned above. If Meleoron lied about Peggy then none of this matters; it's a lie.

You made up or messed up the point about Peggy carrying the manual when Meleoron was still a kid , when it was never said so anywhere. That would definitely mess up the timeline then. I was not the one who put this; it was you. So I could tell you are the one who was not reading.

I will ignore that little preaching session you made about argumentation because I faced every argument you threw. I clearly put enough time to re-read through the manga and our posts so I definitely am careful, thank you.

And what's this little PS about respectable arguments and effective arguments? Your argument that Meleoron would not change clothing because Togashi is lazy is in no way respectable AND effective; I even devoted a little paragraph in my post to show that Togashi cared enough to change the clothing of the characters when they felt like changing clothes AND when they needed to clothe themselves to the occasion.

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@BurnSchultz

Nowhere does it say and nowhere is it shown that people eaten by the Queen retain their clothing when they are reborn. I never thought or implied that Chimera Ants retained their clothing when they were reborn, anyway. That has really nothing much to do with our discussion regarding clothing, since the Ants will just dress up if they have the mentality to feel like dressing themselves up (Leol, Meleoron, Zitoh, that Koala Chimera Ant that Meleoron was talking to in one early chapter of the Chimera Ant arc, etc.). Others didn't bother wearing anything at all, and just felt comfortable being... naked (several lower-rank Chimera Ants). However if Jairo is Meleoron, he would feel the need to clothe himself after he was reborn, because that would make him blend more with humans if ever he would roam places filled with them.

I don't know and I don't care if it's important to find out if Jairo is Meleoron or not. I'm just one of the people who think that Jairo is Meleoron, and I am just placing my thoughts and reasons why I think so. For me this is also a stimulating discussion since there's plenty of material and clues in the manga that makes it hard to decide so far if Jairo is Meleoron or not. Personally I would be relieved when the time comes to reveal who Jairo really is, whether or not he is Meleoron, because for me it's that interesting a topic.

People think Jairo is important because they think he has a lot to offer and might even be the antagonist of a future arc. But if Jairo is Meleoron, the hype that was generated about Jairo would somehow fizzle, because people think they have seen enough of Meleoron already for him to offer anything that is interesting. There might be other reasons which I couldn't think of at this point.

[Uriel]

You know, you're adding words to make your argument plausible when it's not. I'm done discussing here, since you made up your mind so hardly that you're forcing things. So this is a no end discussion and even if I'm not mod here, I should avoid useless fights.

Have a good time, nice to debate with you.

[kkck]

Well, I don't care who dies as long as Killua and Gon are alright. Which concerns me the most right now, since Gon lost an arm and has yet to pay his technique.

I don't think gon could have used his technique prior to paying. The manga did imply gon gave up his potential and future and if that is the case then we won't actually see a transaction of sorts here.

[Uriel]

I don't think gon could have used his technique prior to paying. The manga did imply gon gave up his potential and future and if that is the case then we won't actually see a transaction of sorts here.
I did not think of this. But you're probably right, maybe the payment WAS done by sacrificing all the time and potential. Which makes me wonder what will happen now, if He will try to reverse it or just go with it.

[Host Samurai]

I did not think of this. But you're probably right, maybe the payment WAS done by sacrificing all the time and potential. Which makes me wonder what will happen now, if He will try to reverse it or just go with it.

I personally think that Gon will do both, kind of. He didn't only use up all of his talents and potential, in addition he sacrificed his right arm! I can't wait for the next arc because the next one will have a great impact on him and might change his point of view.

[kkck]

But how could gon go on without his potential and time? If he did pay with his future then we might as well have no manga, the issue is just that severe. I think the means to restore gon's potential will eventually be found to say the least. Of course, such a thing will come to a great personal cost to the one who has to restore it as gons potential was enormous at the very least.

[Uriel]

And it's very likely that He only sacrificed some years, but not all his life. We will see after next chapters. I can't wait for Wednesday!

[kkck]

Next wednesday after this one sadly, no shonen this week :'(

Anyways, I kinda have my doubts about ogn sacrificing just some years...... He got far too much power for such a thing. If I recall, at least in terms of nen amount even netero was inferior to the royal guards (he was superior in skill though). Netero was someone who dedicated 10 years of his life solely to training and praying, absolutely nothing else and even then he did not become a match to the ants in that regard. In turn gon with his techniques actually seemed to get a greater amount of nen than the royal guard... For gon to suddenly get the height of his potential it makes sense for him to give it all up. Not only that but he wanted to get that far.... We also have to consider how long gon's hair was. human hair grows about 6 inches a year.... how many meters and meters worth of hair was there?

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Just to add to the hair bit... gon did not seem very old but in turn we have to remember nen makes you live longer. Gon gained most of his potential for a brief instant, and he his mastery of nen is that of a middle class hunter at the age 12, it would make sense for him to keep his youth for a remarkably long time. Heck, netero was 110 at least and he did not seem to be past his 70s... It would not be strange that the looks gon had when he used his technique would be what he would look like in his 40s or 50s....
has anyone ever done some artwork of what killua would look like if he used such a technique? I would love to see an adult killua lol.

[NoFreakingWay]

You know, you're adding words to make your argument plausible when it's not. I'm done discussing here, since you made up your mind so hardly that you're forcing things. So this is a no end discussion and even if I'm not mod here, I should avoid useless fights.

Have a good time, nice to debate with you.

Huh? When have I added words, then? You are the one adding words. You can't even point out where I'm adding words. All I was doing is making an educated guess or a theory based on how Jairo might be Meleoron, and give some basis on the manga why I was saying so. You however, were clearly twisting and adding words in the manga.

Don't remember how? Let me quote you again to make your folly clear.


You're not reading, seems.
Neo Green Life. Versus. Machines to build. Easy. More?
Jairo created Neo Green Life. Foster Parent had a NGL book when Meleoron was a kid. Not clear enough yet?

But for me, even if that is the strongest argument that invalidates every single one of all the ones I've read, I pick the cloth as the main hint. As I said, Togashi is lazy.

Now let me bold the words you fabricated in your post to make sure you remember your folly.


You're not reading, seems.
Neo Green Life. Versus. Machines to build. Easy. More?
Jairo created Neo Green Life. Foster Parent had a NGL book when Meleoron was a kid. Not clear enough yet?

But for me, even if that is the strongest argument that invalidates every single one of all the ones I've read, I pick the cloth as the main hint. As I said, Togashi is lazy.

Wow. See? You can search all you can in the manga but you will never see anything about a foster parent [presuambly Peggy or the old guy next door who took care of Jairo] had a NGL book when Meleoron was a kid. Because that information wasn't there in the first place. You made it up or messed up your memory thinking that information was there.

So I just think you made the right decision quitting because it's apparent you're losing the discussion. You can't even quote the manga right, or get facts straight about Togashi being lazy about dressing his villains. You couldn't even support that argument with instances in the manga where Togashi became lazy with his villains' clothing. Good move.

P.S. No one's fighting you. You're the only one here thinking you're fighting someone, or close to fighting someone. I am only posting lengthy posts that bother to quote the manga and give out reasons why I think Jairo is Meleoron.


Next wednesday after this one sadly, no shonen this week :'(

Anyways, I kinda have my doubts about ogn sacrificing just some years...... He got far too much power for such a thing. If I recall, at least in terms of nen amount even netero was inferior to the royal guards (he was superior in skill though). Netero was someone who dedicated 10 years of his life solely to training and praying, absolutely nothing else and even then he did not become a match to the ants in that regard. In turn gon with his techniques actually seemed to get a greater amount of nen than the royal guard... For gon to suddenly get the height of his potential it makes sense for him to give it all up. Not only that but he wanted to get that far.... We also have to consider how long gon's hair was. human hair grows about 6 inches a year.... how many meters and meters worth of hair was there?

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Just to add to the hair bit... gon did not seem very old but in turn we have to remember nen makes you live longer. Gon gained most of his potential for a brief instant, and he his mastery of nen is that of a middle class hunter at the age 12, it would make sense for him to keep his youth for a remarkably long time. Heck, netero was 110 at least and he did not seem to be past his 70s... It would not be strange that the looks gon had when he used his technique would be what he would look like in his 40s or 50s....
has anyone ever done some artwork of what killua would look like if he used such a technique? I would love to see an adult killua lol.

Well Gon sacrificed his talent and probably some years. What's more important there is his talent, which is said to come up in only what? 1 in 100,000,000 people or something? Even if you practiced a lot, it won't necessarily get you as far as other people, like Gon, because he is that talented and rare. So let's say our old friend Zoochi trained nonstop and used Netero's training mindset. Since he's a semi-rare talent, he might get to Netero's, Zeno's or Kuroro's level if he keeps it up all his life. But he'll never get to Gon's peak. He's simply not that kind of talent.

About Killua, he'll probably have hair that looks like Raizen's (Yu Yu Hakusho), but he's probably going to become as muscular as his father, or more.

[Jack Van Burace]

Imo, I don't think he really did waste his youth or talent. Gon was older when he fought Pitou, but he was back to his childish form when he was being carried by Killua (otherwise he was going to be dragged around, not carried).

My opinion is that Gon's feat is still gonna be explained throughfully, and might not be what we think it is. He's intensification type nen user, so perhaps he figured a way to intensify his own body and age momentaneously, and walk and talk like an adult for a brief moment. A grown up body would use his Nen much better than his child body, and we could see something similar to SSJ4 Goku in DBGT, that grew up when using his full powers but remained a child on a daily basis.

The bad part is that Gon wouldn't need this power when he grows up, so it's sort of a null development. As time goes by, this power will become more useless, up to the point where he abandons it to use his Nen into some other skill. Imho, that's what Gon did, not some definitive stuff that would have dire consequences as definitive as losing your talent. Killua might have misinterpreted it.

[kkck]

It wasn't just killua that that thought gon gave up everything, it was also pitou. Pitou was actually glad that gon used that technique against him and not the king since using the technique should already require gon to give up on his future hence gon should not be able to use it against the king. Nen does not work for free, it works under strict rules and for the most part, the condition and pledge thing only gets you as far as the severity of the condition and pledge. Just consider kurapika for instance, he used his special nen to fight evenly with someone who should by all intents and purposes be a extremely high level nen user but in turn he got extremely sick at the very least for several days. Gon didn't just reach the nen level of a strong human, he got nen powerful enough to match a royal guard, someone who more than easily has more than several times the nen of extremely high level human nen users. IMO based on what was said in the manga and what we have seen before, it would not be strange at all if gon's body ended up looking like freaking gollum and completely lost his capacity to use nen. Seriously, how many times stronger did his nen get from the transformation? Gon's nen was at 21500 according to knuckly meaning that if pitou's nen was as strong as yupi's his nen grew at least 30 times its original level... More than that, gon easily trashed the dead terpsycora, and we all know certain conditions can actually make nen stronger after death....

[Franckie]

I was surprised with how decent the artwork was considering Togashi's usual tendencies. I was also wondering if the bomb blast would have lingering repercussions on the King and it seems that'll be the case. Considering Mereum's potential, his death ensures that he doesn't overshadow the remainder of the cast for the rest of the series.

[NoFreakingWay]

Imo, I don't think he really did waste his youth or talent. Gon was older when he fought Pitou, but he was back to his childish form when he was being carried by Killua (otherwise he was going to be dragged around, not carried).

My opinion is that Gon's feat is still gonna be explained throughfully, and might not be what we think it is. He's intensification type nen user, so perhaps he figured a way to intensify his own body and age momentaneously, and walk and talk like an adult for a brief moment. A grown up body would use his Nen much better than his child body, and we could see something similar to SSJ4 Goku in DBGT, that grew up when using his full powers but remained a child on a daily basis.

The bad part is that Gon wouldn't need this power when he grows up, so it's sort of a null development. As time goes by, this power will become more useless, up to the point where he abandons it to use his Nen into some other skill. Imho, that's what Gon did, not some definitive stuff that would have dire consequences as definitive as losing your talent. Killua might have misinterpreted it.

The powerup and the form is just that hard to obtain. You have to be a person of such tremendous potential to even be able to get a powerup like that. PLUS, the powerup runs on a very short time limit. AND, if Killua's and Pitou's hunches are correct, Gon won't be able to use nen again! It's that strict. For me, it's already been explained well. You do not get that powerup just like that. It won't happen to just anybody. It won't happen to Tompa, it won't happen to Nicolas (?) that fat kid who was the first to have failed the Gon-era Hunter Exam. Even if they both have the same intensity of determination. They just don't have the precious talent to be exchanged for the powerup. It's like a certain Taiwanese drama I watched (read about it here, http://wiki.d-addicts.com/The_Pawnshop_No._8). The higher the gain the more precious the requirement. What Gon has is probably enough to warrant him that powerup and not a lot of people can do that.

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@Franckie

In most places IMO the art was still sketchy, and it's still below the level of the things we saw in Chapter 291 (you guys remember that very special chapter?), but definitely way better than the ending chapter of the GI arc. Maybe Togashi saves his strength for the action packed scenes. But I think the art really brought out the atmosphere, especially when he showed like a montage of evils of man and differences between the rich and poor. They're something Niizuma Eiji would kill for to have in his dream manga. I actually think HxH is Eiji's dream manga lol. As for the King survival, well he does overshadow almost everyone in power and intelligence, but I think characters like Knuckle, Morau, and Netero are more interesting than him. Besides IMO its kinda boring to see a character in godmode.

[elitefox]

Now... how will gon get his powers back... that maybe the next arc

since the king will prolly die in a few hours...

[HXH4EVER]

About the poison, I was thinking that perhaps the hunters are already immune to it. If they were planning on using a poweful poison against mereum, perhaps it makes sense to have given the assigned hunters the antidote before hand. It would be troublesome if the hunters sent there were to spread the poison by accident so they were vaccinated beforehand to prevent their death and that of others. Of course this would mean the king kinda has access to the vaccine by ingesting one of the hunters though. Every remaining ant and human there would have a horrible death awaiting them though... They did think the least number of people who would die one way or the other was the 500000 there so its not like things would have gone against their calculations though.

Firstly, it is only logical that the bomb has a range ..and the two royal guards ..and the king were surely exposed to it because they were close ...knowing that the distance between the castle and the explosion site is beyond far ..i suppose that no one besides these 3 wre exposed to the poison ...secondly, why would they make a vaccine to a poison in one of the most deadly and "beloved" bombs ...a poison that works on particul level ... the chairman "netro" has chosen that place not only for his safety (multiple attacks ) ..but for the safety of others ..and for cautiousness ..since he does not really trust the abilities of the team to the fullest ..yet he is not the king to kill his own allies for the sake of getting the slightest chance to kill the king ...therefor ... no one who has not been exposed to the explosion or its aftermath (meaning the shower of deadly gaz and air and smoke) will die .. the only ones to pledge are the king his two servents .... hoping i made my point clear

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A new arc would be welcome ...i suppose that the author will speed up things a bit ..we don't want a look for my powers like bleach ..it would be frustrating ..and long ..we want new adventures ..there are still lot of plotes and misterys ..in HXH for instance the brother of the king/ the quest of kurapika and the ryodan/leorio?/ and the main quest looking for the father ....there is also this jairo thing ..and i can assure cameleon is not jairo but jeiro ...(problem with the translation) (jailro?) ...and there is still lot to be done ..i suppose they will return to greed island to cure gon (get his hand back) ... the author will most likely not repeat the same error of yu yu hakusho ..where the end has become the most claimed one for demotivation and frustration . hope he goes for another 3 or 4 arcs at least

[pirateninjahunter]

Doesn't Gon still have some of the power up left?
Don't you guys think that Gon is the one that will fight the King before the King dies?
I believe that with his power up he is on par with the king. Right?

[NoFreakingWay]

Doesn't Gon still have some of the power up left?
Don't you guys think that Gon is the one that will fight the King before the King dies?
I believe that with his power up he is on par with the king. Right?

Most likely Gon doesn't have the power up anymore. If he still did have the powerup Killua wouldn't have had to carry him on his back.
I don't think the remaining struggles between Hunters and Ants will be composed of nen-based actual fighting. I'm looking forward to much stalling and negotiation for the irradiation to completely kill the King. The King must already have noticed some internal changes and pain, and that will facilitate the discussions.
If Jairo is Meleoron I'm expecting him to immediately conduct some talking to the King when he wakes up. 1 brilliant King versus the brains behind NGL in some talk would be an interesting read for me.
Sure, Uber Gon has a chance against Meryem 2, but the thing is that the fight might not happen at all.