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[Captain-Awesome]

http://www.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/312 It's out!

[Host Samurai]

http://www.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/312 It's out!

Thank you!!! you saved my day :D

The chapter was off the hook! Damn, I can't wait for this Arc to get animated this Arc has so many awesome scenes like the psychological warfare between the King, Pufu and Welfin in this chapter was well done!

[Captain-Awesome]

This chapter gave me goosebumps and reminded me once more how unbelievably intimidating the kings is. But I really need to know now what's going to happen with gon!

[Host Samurai]

This chapter gave me goosebumps and reminded me once more how unbelievably intimidating the kings is. But I really need to know now what's going to happen with gon!

That guy doesn't care about anything except for himself. He is so unstable that there's no way that he will survive this Arc. I think that Togashi will focus on the King and the remaining Hunters first and then get back to Gon because as of right now Gon has already done his purpose which was to defeat Pitou.

[Uriel]

This chapter was epic, not in a sense of what actually happened but because what it implies. The king will grow strong and stronger every time, and having the abilities of Pufu and Yupi will make him more a beast than He actually is, but in a sense it's the only way that either Kaito and Gon can be fixed if He eats also Pitou.

Side note, I hated the editor because it put the words so big I couldn't see the drawings. I know they're roughs and sketchy, but still mean something (And btw, this is what I'm used to read compared to the previous chapter xD)

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[Netero]

Another awesome! chapter. The king is truly to be feared! I'm loving the psychological warfare. When this arc eventually gets animated it's going to be absolutely amazing!

[Uriel]

Another awesome! chapter. The king is truly to be feared! I'm loving the psychological warfare. When this arc eventually gets animated it's going to be absolutely amazing!
High hopes, huh? XD
But I can't wait neither! Too much tension, awesome panels and above all epic dialogues and speeches! It would be epic.

[luffyg2]

Well I've read better chapter of HxH that's for sure.. the conversation lasted the whole chapter and brought very little to the whole thing. Anyway the king is going to die from the poison so all of Pufu's effort are kind of useless.

[LoS]

That final page was pretty baller though, the king maliciously staring at Welfin, openly stating that he is going to eat him. Was Boss!

[pirateninjahunter]

Hello guys, I did not understand which abilities the King got from Yupi, as far as I know only the wings, was there something else? And what from Pufu?

Now we know that Yupi died of disease and not because of welfin. Do you guys think that welfin would have been able to defeat Yupi in his small version?

[Netero]

Hello guys, I did not understand which abilities the King got from Yupi, as far as I know only the wings, was there something else? And what from Pufu?

Now we know that Yupi died of disease and not because of welfin. Do you guys think that welfin would have been able to defeat Yupi in his small version?
The King has Yupi's rage beam attack as well as his wings
http://www.mangareader.net/207-49560-4/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-302.html

[NoFreakingWay]

Hello guys, I did not understand which abilities the King got from Yupi, as far as I know only the wings, was there something else? And what from Pufu?

Now we know that Yupi died of disease and not because of welfin. Do you guys think that welfin would have been able to defeat Yupi in his small version?

Additionally the King may get the ability to shapeshift like Yupi. That's going to be a devastating ability right there.

I was really blindsided by the fact the King got Spiritual Message. I knew Meryem was gonna inherit moves but I completely forgot about Spiritual Message. The negotiation might become really messy for the Hunters because they can't lie to the King anymore.

The King also is going to last for a few more hours, so he will terrorize the characters longer. Even though we know that he's gonna die soon, his ferocity is still unparalleled. Good thing he doesn't know about his condition yet, although he already got one hint of it.

As for Werefin: I hope the King's Gourmet Ant nature kicks in, meaning he might not want to eat Werefin because Gourmet Ants seek only the best food out there. I hope Meryem becomes picky enough to only want to eat things like Pufu. Or, we'll get to see a Missileman-touting Meryem soon, and the gnarly corpse of that old division commander.

[IamJacky]

"Before the King, loyalty and animosity are equally worthless." -- what a badass mother freaking statement. What's so frightening about the King is that he is not only far superior in sheer power but also with his intelligence, then paired with Pufu's somewhat mind-reading ability plus his not-giving-a-shit attitude - rendering these guys to just give up all other possibilities except telling the truth and going with their guts. Absolute dominance.

On the side note, I think it's kind of weird that the King had not said anything about Pufu's nosebleeds, I think he is very well aware of it, but then I guess he's more interested at the ongoing "game" they're playing.

About Welfin, my guts tell that he's not going to be eaten, partly because I've grown to like Welfin now and also because I feel that although King refrained from further interrogating him because of Pufu's act, which supposedly renders Welfin obsolete (well, except that he can still be food), King did state that he's "slightly" interested at the hatred that Welfin was projecting towards the King, and the King knows that the source of the hatred may or may not be directly linked with Pufu's secret, killing Welfin may very well ruin the chance to know entirely what the hate was all about.

Also, Welfin holds somewhat of a key information on Pufu, which is when Pufu asked Welfin to make that false call to Pitou to trick Pitou into thinking that Komugi was safely rescued from the Hunters, this act, though the King may not have recalled any memories yet, is enough to put an end to Pufu, and should be considered a valuable piece of information for the King...maybe.

But then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Welfin ended up being served anyway, because this is HxH, haha!

As always, can't wait till the next chapter!

[ibra87]

Have to say, I can read Bleach and Naruto chapters and honestly not appreciate them one bit. But so far, HxH has managed to make me more or less appreciate every chapter ever since it returned from the big hiatus (didn't read the manga weekly before that).


Another awesome! chapter. The king is truly to be feared! I'm loving the psychological warfare. When this arc eventually gets animated it's going to be absolutely amazing!

I don't know. I started watching the old anime of HxH and liked it very much. But when I read some parts in the manga I realized they've more or less left out all the commentary in the chapters. I'm really interested in seeing how the anime staff will handle this arc though. Because just like this chapter, the only way to appreciate the last 20-25 chapters is by listening to the "comments", much like how One Piece anime does it wonderfully.



That said, I LOVED this chapter. No sign of the king getting sicker, is it because he's stronger than the rest or will he simply not die (hopefully just the first one). For next chapter I want Welfin to at least get to say something before getting eaten. Even the word Gyro or lies would be enough.

[NoFreakingWay]

That said, I LOVED this chapter. No sign of the king getting sicker, is it because he's stronger than the rest or will he simply not die (hopefully just the first one). For next chapter I want Welfin to at least get to say something before getting eaten. Even the word Gyro or lies would be enough.

Most of the people are already convinced he's gonna succumb to the irradiation. I'm one of those people, but I'm in the same boat as Palm who thought he's gonna die "in a few hours". A few hours is pretty long in context of what the King could do. He's put us all in a lot of twists and turns now and there's no reason to believe he could not accomplish so much in that few hours remaining in his life. Like that guy from Crank.

Maybe that one word that could save him is "Komugi."

I don't know and remember if Werefin had already known Komugi's name though. Maybe he would blurt out something that relates to Komugi that the King would immediately recognize.

[Tombadgerlock]

The king already had a nosebleed earlier on, so he definitely is affected.

Also, Ibra: The Anime is a Reboot, so we have no idea how they are going to do it.

[pirateninjahunter]

What does spiritual message do? I tried to find it out but couldn't!

[Tombadgerlock]

Deep Emotional reading. Pufu was able to use it in order to give other Ants Hatsus.

[ibra87]

Hmm, forgot about the nosebleed. As long as the president's sacrifice isn't wasted I'll be happy. But that does mean that everyone who comes in contact with the ants' corpses will get annihilated themselves.


The king already had a nosebleed earlier on, so he definitely is affected.

Also, Ibra: The Anime is a Reboot, so we have no idea how they are going to do it.

What I meant was that HxH has an excessive amount of commentary explaining a lot of the series including how the characters are feeling now and i.e. how killua in an instant heard Gon saying it was okay. They can't keep slowing down the animation to explain otherwise the small kids won't like it as much. I'm just wondering whether the new anime will handle that like the old anime by skipping it altogether (more or less) or actually include them.

[Uriel]

Have to say, I can read Bleach and Naruto chapters and honestly not appreciate them one bit. But so far, HxH has managed to make me more or less appreciate every chapter ever since it returned from the big hiatus (didn't read the manga weekly before that).
Same here. I've to pay more attention on what's being said, who are where and the characters time lines.
I think it's a proof of how a master is Togashi in terms of telling a story.


That said, I LOVED this chapter. No sign of the king getting sicker, is it because he's stronger than the rest or will he simply not die (hopefully just the first one). For next chapter I want Welfin to at least get to say something before getting eaten. Even the word Gyro or lies would be enough.
I think it will be the best if He showns his bleeding in front of humans. That will put both parties in a difficult situation and probably increase the tension.

[pirateninjahunter]

I don't think that the blood the ants were coughing can infect surrounding humans. Some people are saying that.
Was it said anywhere?

[NoFreakingWay]

Deep Emotional reading. Pufu was able to use it in order to give other Ants Hatsus.

What chapter of the manga did it say Pufu used Spiritual Message to give other Ants Hatsus? Pufu tutored the Ants, yes; Leol or Zitoh could have mentioned that, but there's nothing mentioned about SM being used outright for giving Ants Hatsus.

This is the only explanation of SM that I could find:

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14282-3/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-273.html

About the irradiation just read this:

http://www.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/311/17

So it's not the blood from the coughing, it's the flesh itself of the victim that becomes poisonous and that produces the poison that will spread to new victims.

Why can't we just quote things from the manga right?

[pirateninjahunter]

Thanks for the answer, NoFreakingWay!




Why can't we just quote things from the manga right?

What did you mean by that, are you mad?
Even though the corpses might poison the people that are around It would be sad if the human die of poisoning... It also means that they need to come into contact with the corpses! Does it mean that welfin will die?

[BurnSchulz]

What chapter of the manga did it say Pufu used Spiritual Message to give other Ants Hatsus? Pufu tutored the Ants, yes; Leol or Zitoh could have mentioned that, but there's nothing mentioned about SM being used outright for giving Ants Hatsus.Here: http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter248/153463-8.html
After Jitou lost to Morau, he said that he will get a new ability from Shaua-sama. (Pufu) And it is not that hard to combine that Shauapufus Mind reading power will help him to do that.

[Googlez_kun]

While this chapter was rather epic and gave us some sort of character development,it didn't really advance the plot and plot development is what people want after such a long hiatus.I don't mean to say it was bad,but i guess this chapter will do better in a volume.

[BurnSchulz]

While this chapter was rather epic and gave us some sort of character development,it didn't really advance the plot and plot development is what people want after such a long hiatus.I don't mean to say it was bad,but i guess this chapter will do better in a volume.I have no problems in slow development, because it would feel wrong if Togashi now rushes things and messes his own story up just because of Hiatus. He should do as he wanted to do from the beginning and nothing else. Otherwise it would ruin the series. Think about it!
I respect him, and i also respect that he keeps his own speed in development!

[Googlez_kun]

I have no problems in slow development, because it would feel wrong if Togashi now rushes things and messes his own story up just because of Hiatus. He should do as he wanted to do from the beginning and nothing else. Otherwise it would ruin the series. Think about it!
I respect him, and i also respect that he keeps his own speed in development!

I think you got me wrong there.I love Togashi's storytelling and i also liked this chapter.It was only a bit dissapointing in the way that i,just like everybody else i guess,wanted more plot development after such a long time.
Well,let me put it this way: The chapter was fantastic,but i would've loved it even more if it had some plot development.

[Tombadgerlock]

Th small problem with it being 'the flesh of the victim' is that Pufu has been hopnitizing people with his scale after the Rose. So, basically, Knuckle/Meleoron may be infected.

[BurnSchulz]

I think you got me wrong there.I love Togashi's storytelling and i also liked this chapter.It was only a bit dissapointing in the way that i,just like everybody else i guess,wanted more plot development after such a long time.
Well,let me put it this way: The chapter was fantastic,but i would've loved it even more if it had some plot development.
I believe that Togashi had his plans years ago how the Chapters have to look like and what would happen there. So we can just be thankful that he didn´t change his ideas because of hiatus.
Well after such a long time its just understandable that some woulde love more development, but for that we have to wait a little longer.
And we have to be glad! Because this is the proper way.

[NoFreakingWay]

Here: http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter248/153463-8.html
After Jitou lost to Morau, he said that he will get a new ability from Shaua-sama. (Pufu) And it is not that hard to combine that Shauapufus Mind reading power will help him to do that.

Spiritual Message just reads the emotional and mental state through the Brownian motion of the scales sticking in the opponent's aura, it doesn't what's exactly in the mind per se.

What you're saying is mere speculation, not plain fact. Nowhere in that page will you read exactly as a confirmation that Pufu uses Spiritual Message to bring out Hatsus in the other ants. Morau was the one who speculated upon this possibility, and he just never thought of other possibilities of how Pufu could teach Ants Hatsu development at the time.

But yes, even though it is mere speculation and not plain fact, I do see where you're coming from, and it is quite easy to imagine that Spiritual Message is being used to determine the target's mental and emotional state, probably both short term (current mood) and long term (personality), and use it so that the target will know which things to train, Hatsu-wise.

But let us not pass this off as fact, because we have no exact quotes for confirmation, that's that.

[Tombadgerlock]

How else can you interpret 'Shau-sama will give me another Hatsu', and then him coming back with another Hatsu a couple of days later?

Of course, he could have *another* ability to do so, but unless he does, this is explicit.

[NoFreakingWay]

Why would I force myself into making Spiritual Message the explanation of how Pufu gives Hatsus to the other Ants? That's just Procrustean of you.

Look at what Spiritual Message does. It just reads the current state of mind of the target. It doesn't even give out specific info about the target, like say, Nen type. Its most basically useless as a teaching tool for Hatsus.

There are better ways of teaching Ants how to develop Nen. Look at the water test they learned from Pokkle. They determined the target's Nen type. Pokkle also gave some pointers, although not complete, to develop the Hatsu, IIRC. Spiritual Message doesn't even give that information. Heck, the hunter Binolt (that guy who Biscuit mauled back in GI) has an even better way of knowing the target closer (by eating their hair he gets information on the target like Blood Type). Morau even gave Zitoh a peer review on his stupid crossbow Hatsu he developed in battle. Spiritual Message is nowhere near that. Spiritual Message had nothing much to do in developing Hatsu, because most of that is understanding the thought process of the target currently. If you don't have Pufu's mind it won't teach you crap Hatsu, more so give you one.

Besides, the term Zitoh used is "give", not "taught". Spiritual Message is more on "teaching" than "giving" Hatsu. If Spiritual Message gave you Hatsu Morau and Werefin shouldve gotten a new one by now.

It must have been another process. Look at how Pufu and probably Pitou gave Palm a semi-new ability (Wink Blue) which is a derivative of Merman-sama. the method of how Pufu gives Hatsus is currently unknown, let's just put it that way instead of assuming crap. Otherwise tell me EXACTLY WHERE IN THE MANGA DOES IT SAY THAT SPIRITUAL MESSAGE HAS THE FUNCTION OF GIVING OUT HATSU. Make sure that it's WORD FOR WORD, and that you DON'T HAVE TO DEDUCE IT ANYMORE FROM IMPLICATIONS.

[Tombadgerlock]

Oh,i agree. It's quite possible it comes from *another* Hatsus of Pufu. But i am not going to assume another Hatsus of him, especially as pretty much everything about him has been about Spiritual message.

[BurnSchulz]

@NoFreakingWay: Please stay calm and read what i have to say..
Scince Hunter X Hunter introduce Nen, nearly every Nen Technique has more than one way to use it.
Spiritual Message could read the Peoples Mind, thats true. But why couldn´t it help people to find techniques wich would fit?
Besides Pufu isnt an idiot, he is rather intelligent, so he could've done the water test too, to figure out wich Nen Type the other one has.
Well you are right that its nowhere been told that EXACTLY This technique makes Hatsus, but its not that far from logical to HELP them.

Just think about the situation where Djitu wants a new technique, he is not very clever so he need help to find. There comes Pufu, probably the most intelligent Royal Guard, he makes the nen Type Test (well at the second time he hasn´t because he already knows Djitus nen Type from the first time he helped him get a new technique), then he can use Spiritual Message to find out what the Nen user is most conident of, (Speed in Djitus case), so he came up with an idea that would totally fit with Djitus abilities, and when Djitu is at training that technique, Pufu could use Spiritual Message to read his progress, to tell them where he has to focus more.

Its never been told, thats the point where you´re absolutely right, but use imagination, its not that implausible too.

That "Give" that Djitu uses, its just an interpretation question... you maybe shuldn´t take that literally.

And even further:
Spiritual Message could be one part of his Main Ability, like Killuah whos main ability is Electricity, and who has 2 kinds of techniques. The Electric shock, and then his Electric Speed. So Pufu could also have another Technique qgite like Spiritual Message, but which doesnt read the current mind state, but reads the other ones personality.

You don´t have to agree with me, because there are no confirmations in these theories, but i hope that you at least get the point where these speculations came from.

[NoFreakingWay]

@NoFreakingWay: Please stay calm and read what i have to say..
Scince Hunter X Hunter introduce Nen, nearly every Nen Technique has more than one way to use it.
Spiritual Message could read the Peoples Mind, thats true. But why couldn´t it help people to find techniques wich would fit?
Besides Pufu isnt an idiot, he is rather intelligent, so he could've done the water test too, to figure out wich Nen Type the other one has.
Well you are right that its nowhere been told that EXACTLY This technique makes Hatsus, but its not that far from logical to HELP them.

Just think about the situation where Djitu wants a new technique, he is not very clever so he need help to find. There comes Pufu, probably the most intelligent Royal Guard, he makes the nen Type Test (well at the second time he hasn´t because he already knows Djitus nen Type from the first time he helped him get a new technique), then he can use Spiritual Message to find out what the Nen user is most conident of, (Speed in Djitus case), so he came up with an idea that would totally fit with Djitus abilities, and when Djitu is at training that technique, Pufu could use Spiritual Message to read his progress, to tell them where he has to focus more.

Its never been told, thats the point where you´re absolutely right, but use imagination, its not that implausible too.

That "Give" that Djitu uses, its just an interpretation question... you maybe shuldn´t take that literally.

And even further:
Spiritual Message could be one part of his Main Ability, like Killuah whos main ability is Electricity, and who has 2 kinds of techniques. The Electric shock, and then his Electric Speed. So Pufu could also have another Technique qgite like Spiritual Message, but which doesnt read the current mind state, but reads the other ones personality.

You don´t have to agree with me, because there are no confirmations in these theories, but i hope that you at least get the point where these speculations came from.

Dude, I am CALM. CALMMMMMM. But I think when people start seeing all caps, it's associated with rage. Or nerdrage. But yeah, please don't assume that I'm raging, brotherman. I was just using caps to make sure my points stood out from the rest of my walls of text. Because it seems I'm misunderstood.

All of what you said here, I can agree to some extent. Just read my posts again. I did say that, hey, it does somehow make sense that Spiritual Message could be used to find out the mentality of the target. It's a good way to start thinking about what Hatsu idea we can give a certain character.

But, as I have also said in my earlier posts, we can't pass this off as FACT. You have already conceded that there's nothing in the manga that exactly says "Spiritual Message". That's what I'm after.

So let us not pass the decent speculation of Spiritual Message being used for developing Hatsus in Ants as FACT, because we don't have confirmation in the manga so far that it has indeed been used.

It's the same way as my argument that Jairo is Meleoron. I am indeed arguing that Jairo is Meleoron, and I am supporting my ideas with instances and quotes in the manga. But, since there is nowhere in the manga that outright says Jairo is Meleoron (as is the case for the obverse), I can't say for a fact that Jairo indeed is Meleoron. I'm even waiting for the final confirmation myself. I am not delusional enough to say Jairo is Meleoron AND say THAT IS A FACT.

As there is also no cold hard quote or instance in the manga that Spiritual Message is used by Pufu to teach or outright give Hatsus to targets, let us also not be delusional enough to spread it as fact. This is what I was saying earlier on and I hope I am understood this time. Because I realize that I am just repeating myself all the time in this post.

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So yeah folks, if you start seeing ALL CAPS in my posts, don't misconstrue it as me nerdraging or raging at all. I try my best to provide a comprehensive post that is quite lengthy most of the time, and when people miss my point I just try to reach out more. Including all caps is a way for me to do so.

So does this mean I have to use emoticons and humor now. I guess I have to. I remember a fellow poster at nexgear who has the same tone as me right now when explaining things, but he uses humor and smileys so he won't appear to rage.

[kkck]

I want to point out that writing with all caps is IN FACT an equivalent to to yelling when it comes to any form of writing(you can use it on a few words for empashis). If you write entire sentences or posts with caps then people are unequivocally going to think you are angry and raging. It is basically outright rude too. Actually, even expecting people not to think you are angry when you write entire sentences (or posts) with caps shows you really don't know how to write lol. For the effect you actually seemed to want you'd need either bold letters or cursive but no caps.

To sum up basic etiquette:

All caps = RAGE, ANGER, NERDRAGE and any other synonym you can think off.

[NoFreakingWay]

I want to point out that writing with all caps is IN FACT an equivalent to to yelling when it comes to any form of writing(you can use it on a few words for empashis). If you write entire sentences or posts with caps then people are unequivocally going to think you are angry and raging. It is basically outright rude too. Actually, even expecting people not to think you are angry when you write entire sentences (or posts) with caps shows you really don't know how to write lol. For the effect you actually seemed to want you'd need either bold letters or cursive but no caps.

To sum up basic etiquette:

All caps = RAGE, ANGER, NERDRAGE and any other synonym you can think off.

Oh jeez, people are taking this all caps business way too seriously? More seriously than the ideas I presented?

Well, I'd like to explain a great deal why I had to just press Capslock instead of just bolding the characters, but let's just say I didn't have the luxury of time when I was posting that post.

What the heck Ill explain anyway. Like anything I say to excuse myself matters, because the perceived damage has been done and the issue's supposed to be closed anyway.

So I was at work, and I had to type that post at a public kiosk where one person can only browse for like 20 minutes max (we can't access internet forums in our own PCs because the function to log-in is locked). Plus I was on a 30-minute lunchbreak and I only had like 15 minutes left before I started posting. So it was really more convenient for me to just press Capslock than pick each phrase and put them in bold or italics or whatever seemingly inoffensive style you want to use that takes more time than pressing Capslock. And because I posted I was overbreak for 5 minutes. Now I know about the deal with the capslock thing being offensive for some people but I thought "Hey the guys at Mangareaders are cool and understanding enough, surely they won't be offended will they?" bu yeah the all caps got more attention than the ideas and now I am apologizing.

But yeah cool lecture about me not knowing how to write, seriously. I'm just gonna have to allot more time to posting my walls of text then.

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