Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 59, 60 and 61 Discussion/Predictions

[Kaoz]

Chapter 59: Translation (http://translations.shamannet.com/?p=503)
Chapter 60: Translation (http://translations.shamannet.com/?p=512)
Chapter 61: Translation (http://translations.shamannet.com/?p=517)

[LetalHawk]

Thanks Chaos for posting the RAWS. Finally, after the first string domination, the middle schoolers are starting the long-awaited comeback.

Niou being able to synchro with the mutsu twins is amazing, and this makes another method to defeat synchro (the other ones are by overpowering it and maybe the Mouuju No Synchro used by Chitose and Tachibana). If Niou can read their moves and toughts, I don't know how the mutsu are going to overcome it. They only choice is maybe play without using synchro, but if that happens, they will lose badly. I think it's safe to assume that Niou and Oishi are going to win this match, yeah, I think the mutsu twins are going to get serious and all, but in the end, victory will be for Oishi and Niou.

Momo used black jack knife, I was expecting him using it. Kenya will get another power-up in this match, maybe he increases his speed and the speed of his own shots, making them so fast that Taira and Hara can't return them. I don't know how are they going to return black jack knife, but that move broke Momo's wrists. Is Konomi making them forfeit because they can't play due to their wrists condition?.

Yanagi lost, everybody supposed he was going to win, but he is way out of Akuto's league. I just hope that Inui defeats him, since he was analyzing him during Yanagi's match and his winning chances are higher than Renji's, so maybe he can defeat him. I'm curious about what power-up will Inui get.

Also, introducing the No.10, 9 and 8 was also great, but No.4 (Ryoga?) is unknown at the moment. I hope that in the next chapters, the other members of the BJB Brigade make a comeback. Yukimura and Irie's matches are still on hold, we have to see how they are doing.

[Kaoz]

Momo used black jack knife, I was expecting him using it. Kenya will get another power-up in this match, maybe he increases his speed and the speed of his own shots, making them so fast that Taira and Hara can't return them. I don't know how are they going to return black jack knife, but that move broke Momo's wrists. Is Konomi making them forfeit because they can't play due to their wrists condition?.

Momo's BJK allowed them to overcome Taira's Bakyuun, so I assume it's up to Kenya to stop Hara.

I doubt that Taira and Hara have to forfeit, it looks like they let go of their rackets in time. Overall, I think the match's development will be that Hara reads Momo's and Kenya's shots, and hits them so that Momo can't reach them. That way Kenya has to increase his speed in order to return Moukohan and create a setup for Momo.


Yanagi lost, everybody supposed he was going to win, but he is way out of Akuto's league. I just hope that Inui defeats him, since he was analyzing him during Yanagi's match and his winning chances are higher than Renji's, so maybe he can defeat him. I'm curious about what power-up will Inui get.

Well, I figured that Inui would do something, just him taking over is a bit unexpected. I guess one could argue that having Inui lose would make the whole switch somewhat pointless.

[Brandnewkid]

My translations for chapters 59, 60, and 61:

１話「高すぎる壁」
1st Chapter: "An Unmountable Wall"

金太郎vs袴田
金太郎が「消失」で攻撃を受け続けている

Kintaro vs. Hakamada

Kintaro is still feeling the Vanish;

金「（『消失』やと…消えた球がどっから跳ね上がってくるか全くわからん！！）」
「兄（あん）ちゃんオモロイ球打つやんけ…」
袴田「止めじゃ　動（いご）かんでじっとしとけぇ」
血まみれテニス

Kintarou: "(That there Vanish, thing ... I can't figure out where it's gonna up an' land next!!) You hit a sick ball there, bro ... "

Hakamada: "Sweet, now keep your eye on the birdy ..."

Bloody Tennis*

大石仁王vs双子
仁王が菊丸の姿で大石とシンクロしているが、劣勢

Oishi/Niou Vs. Twins

Even in full Synchro, the Oishi/Nio-maru pair are still losing;

双子「懲りないねおたくらも」
大石「やはり同じ『同調（シンクロ）』じゃ１枚も２枚も高校生の方が上手だ」
仁王「双子じゃき分が悪いのう　このままじゃ瞬殺されるのも時間の問題ナリ」

Twins: "You losers must have a pain fetish."

Oishi: "Figures, even with Synchro, these high-schoolers are one, two steps ahead of us."

Niou: "They're getting us good. If this keeps up then they'll slaughter us."

樺地河村vs伊達・伴
余裕の高校生に対し、血まみれで憔悴している樺地と河村

Kabaji/Kawaura Vs. Date/Ban

Compared to their opponents, Kabaji/Kawamura are beatin' up and bloodied;

河村「だ　大丈夫かい樺地くん…」
樺地「……ウ　ウス」

Kawamura: "Are you okay, Kabaji …"

Kabaji: "…... Ye- Yeah."


柳vs三津谷
三津谷「賢明な判断だ　蓮二…」
「勝つか負けるかはデータを弾き出した瞬間に　無情にも分かってしまうよな」
一方的に攻め続けられる柳

Yanagi Vs. Mitsuya

Mitsuya: "That was very wise decision, Renji. The very moment that the data produces solid results, you realize the hard, cold conclusion."

Yanagi fights the good fight;

幼い柳と三津谷？の回想シーン
柳「（帰省中の偶然の出会いは　俺のテニス人生を決定づけた
データテニスか彼からの授かりものなのだ　俺はあくと兄さんからテニスの…
データテニスの全てを教わったんだ）」

A flashback or a very young Yanagi and Mitsuya

Yanagi: "(Meeting him changed everything I knew about tennis. Using data in tennis was the skill that he taught me. Everything I knew about applying data to tennis, and tennis overall was Akuto's doing.)"

乾「諦めるな教授っ！関東決勝の俺との試合を思い出せぇーっ！」
柳「貞治…（俺にもデータを捨てろと…）」

Inui: "Don’t quit, Professor! Remember the match you had with me at the Kanto Finals"

原「何でクロスに打ってんねん！」
謙也「くっ　流石や全ての行動に突っ込みを！」
ロブで返す謙也
原「そこでロブあげたらアカンやろ？ワテはスマッシュめっちゃ好っきゃねん！！」
原のスマッシュが謙也の尻を直撃

Hara: "No cross!"

Kenya: "Damn! Go figure, he's reading everything!"

Kenya lobs;

Hara: "Don'cha think it's trouble lobbing from there? Anyhow, you know what I like though? Smashing!!"

Hara smashes it and has Kenya on his backside;

謙也「ぐぅ…ぬおぉぉ…う」
桃城「け　謙也さん　尻に青アザが…！？」
平「て…哲也の『猛虎飯（もうこはん）』を喰らって青アザだけ…」
原「何でやねん！どないやねん！何勝手に技名つけとんねん！」

Kenya: "Guh…Nuohhhh…uh"

Momoshiro: "Ke…Kenya, he really got you on your ass?!"

Taira: "Te…Tetsuya, your Fierce Tiger Feast is bark and bite … "

Hara: "What in Sam hill! Why you! Don't go givin' my moves names!"

平「お前（みぇ～）らのハートを射抜いたるでぇ」
桃城・謙也「何でやねん！」「だ…誰がやね…」
平「バキュ～～ン」
強力そうなショットを放つ
謙也「来たでぇ今度は狙撃手（ヒットミェ～ン）の『バキュ～ン』や！！」
桃城「…くっ」
ジャックナイフの構えをする桃城
謙也「桃城っ…！？」

Taira: "This one's a heart piercer. Knuckle up, boys."

Momo/Kenya: "What in Sam hill! Why you!"

Taira: "Zapper~."

He hits a good one;

Kenya: "The Hitman's Zapper's comin' our way!!"

Momoshiro: "… Dammit."

Momoshiro gets ready to hit the Jackknife;

Kenya: "Momoshiro…!?"

ラケットでボールを受け止めるも、ガットが歪んで今にも破れそう
謙也「何しとんのや桃城っーっ！？」
「何遍やったってまたガットが突き破られるでぇ！ジャックナイフは通用しいひんって！
その『バキューン』は触らんときや！！
桃城「（俺は…）」
鬼の回想「（這い上がって来い　桃城武）」
桃城「（逃げねぇ　絶対に！）」

It hits, but the racket's gut is through;

Kenya: "What in the world are you doing, Momoshiro!? You could try till yer' blue in the face, but you can't even dream of hitting back the Zapper!!"

Momoshiro: "I…"

A memory of Oni: ("Reach new heights, Momoshiro Takeshi!")

Momoshiro: "... will never give up!"

「桃城（モモ）の意地が奇跡を起こすか！？」

Momo’s burning spirit has created a miraculous comeback?!

１話終了
1st Chaper end



２話「約束」
2nd Chapter: [Promise]

勝ち組中学生の様子
The Middle Schooler's Winning Stance

白石「謙也や金ちゃんが見当たらへん？」
不二「乾や大石や河村（タカさん）…桃城（モモ）もいないね」
跡部「樺地も…ちっ　仁王もいやがらねぇ」
忍足「負け組やな全員…おらへんのは」

Shiraishi: "Anyone see Kenya or Kin?"

Fuji: "Inui, Oishi and Taka-san…and even Momo aren't around."

Atobe: "Kabaji ... and Niou's gone too."

Oshitari: "They were all apart of the losing group…and now nowhere to be found."

「どこ行きやがった負け組（アイツら）…」

Where did they go ...

高校生二軍と№１～１０組はまだコートで向かい合っている
大曲「しかし№１１から№２０遅ぇし」

2nd Stringer High Scholers and No. 1-10 have yet to face each other

Ohmagari: "But No. 11 through No. 20 are late."

№10　毛利　寿三郎（高１）
「皆さん時差ボケとちゃいまっか？」
№9　越智　月光（つきみつ）（高３）
「たいした時差は無い…」
№8　遠野　蔦京（あつきょう）（高３）
「瞬殺じゃ勿体無いからじっくりいたぶってんだよ　性格の悪い奴らだ　フッ」

No. 10 Muuri Jusaburou (High School 1st Year): "Think it's jet-lag?"

No. 9 Ochi Tsukimitsu (High School 3rd Year): "It's not like there was a time-zone switch, or anything."

No. 8 Tohno Atsukyou (High School 3rd Year): "They're probably killing 'em slowly, making it more fun for 'em. After all, getting them too quick would probably be boring in their eyes."

鬼「フン…どうだかな？」
会場「！」
徳川「今回は援軍に苦戦してるかもしれませんね」
平等院「どー言う事だ鬼　心当たりがあるようだな？」
鬼「さあな別に無ぇ…そんな気がしてならねーのさ」

Oni: "Hmph… Oh, really now?"

Everyone: !

Tokugawa: "I'd imagine that they're having trouble with the reinforcements."

Byoudouin: "Wait, what are you getting at, Oni? Do you know something we don't?"

Oni: "Oh, nothing ... Just a gut feeling."

桃城謙也vs平・原
桃城「うおらああああ！！」
「（中学生（オレたち）は強い！！）」
原「ヒラゼン隊長　ありゃまさか…」
平「おそらくそのまさか…や…」

Momoshiro/Kenya Vs. Taira/Hara

Momoshiro: "Uohhhhhh!! Don't look down on the middle school group!!"

桃城「ブラックジャックナイフ！！」
ブラックジャックナイフで平と原のガットが突き破られる
桃城「這い上がってやりましょーよ謙也さん…絶対に」
謙也「当たり前田のクラッカーやろ桃城」

Momoshiro: "Black Jackknife!!"

The Black Jackknife explodes through Taira and Hara’s racket guts;

Momoshiro: "Kenya, whaddya' say we reach new heights?"

Kenya: "Cracker Momoshiro, I say without a doubt ..."

アオリ「鬼から授かったブラックジャックナイフ炸裂！！」

Oni's Black Jackknife explodes!!

2話終了
2nd Chapter Ends


３話「革命軍団の咆哮」
3rd Chapter: Viva La Revolution

柳vs三津谷
開眼して形振り構わずラリーを続ける柳
柳「うおおおおおおおおっ！！」
乾「蓮二…」

Yanagi vs. Mitsuya

Yanagi continues to fight a losing battle;

Yanagi: "Uohhhhhh!!"

Inui: "Renji…"

柳「…ま　まだ…です　この柳蓮二は…　ま…まだ終わっちゃいない」
三津谷「データテニスを捨てた時点でお前は死んだ…その事くらい自分でも分かっていただろ蓮二 」
柳「…貞治　すっきりするな　何も考えずおもいっきりテニスを…　…する…の…」
憔悴し乾に倒れこむ柳
柳「後は頼んだぞ博士…お前の勝率は…33.1％…」

Yanagi: "No…Not…yet. I, Yanagi Renji…am…not finished yet."

Mitsuya: "The instant that you discard the data accumulated through tennis is the instant that you pull the trigger to your doom. Surely you realize this, Renji."

Yanagi: "…Sadaharu, behold. I too can disregard analyzations and simply ... play."

An exhausted Yanagi collapses into Inui’s arms;

Yanagi: "It's in your hands, Doctor. Your probability of winning ... is 33.1%."

三津谷「この数ゲーム　蓮二はキミにゲームを託していた様だ」
「いいだろうキミ！蓮二を寝かせたらコートに入りなさい　えーと…」
乾「青春学園テニス部３年…乾貞治」

Mitsuya: "This game of tennis, dominated by statistics ... It would appear that Renji has passed the torch of data on to you. No matter! Step onto the court and take Renji's position while he takes a breather, Mr. ..."

Inui: "Seishun Academy Tennis Club Senior… Inui Sadaharu."

大石仁王vs双子
シンクロを解いてラリーを続ける大石達

Oishi/Niou Vs. Twins
Oishi and Niou cancel Synchro and continue rallying normally;

仁王「『同調』抜いたら全然使えんのう　大石（タマゴ）」
大石「キミの詐欺（ペテン）だってもうネタ切れなんじゃないかな」

Niou: "So since Synchro's a bust, I'm wondering if that egg head of yours has anymore bright ideas."

Oishi: "Right, because your bag of Hoodini tricks ran dry already, huh."

オーラを纏い宙に浮く双子
大石？「とにかく双子のダブルスはヤバイなんてもんじゃない」　
「お互い相棒の動き・思考までも双子だから手に取るようにわかっ…」
仁王？「！」
大石「に　仁王くん！？」
コート上で相談する大石達

The Twins are cloaked in Synchro-aura and are floating in the air (WTF????)

Oishi: "Anyhow, even without Synchro these guys are amazing at doubles. They both have a mutual understanding of one another from thoughts to movements - the fact that their twins doesn't hurt them much, either."

Niou: !

Oishi: "Ni…Niou?!"

Niou and Oishi chit-chat;

仁王「（考えたな大石…一か八かやってみる価値はありそうじゃき）」
大石「（俺達はここで負ける訳には行かないんだ！！）」
「革命を成し遂げる為に！」

Niou: ("Smart thinking, egghead ... We might as well try anything at this point.")

Oishi: "We won't lose at this point!! Viva La Revolution!"

コートの後ろに回る大石
「大石の領域（テリトリー）」
仁王が双子の姿に変化し、３人でシンクロ状態になっている
双子「バカなっ　私達と同調してるだと！？」
大石「あなた方の思考・動きは　その３つ子から全て筒抜けですよ」
仁王「プリッ」
ムーンボレーを成功させる大石

Oishi moves to the baseline

[Oishi Territory]

Niou becomes an illusion of one of the twins and becomes in Sync with them;

Twins: "Impossible - you're in sync with us?!"

Oishi: "Now every thought that crosses your brain and every muscle you move will be shared with Niou - One big happy family."

Niou: "Play nice.**"

Oishi successfully Moon Volleys;

「遂に負け組中学生たちが一軍の牙城を切り崩す…！」
At long last, the middle-schoolers have taken the high point ... !

3rd Chapter End

* "Bloody Tennis?" So he chooses now to call a tennis match bloody? I guess Clauza vs. Kirihara and Kirihara/Renji vs. Inui/Kaidoh was just Red Sweat Tennis.

**That's Niou's "Puri" and my translation for it.

Notice how Renji vs. Akuto = Inui vs. Renji at the Kanto Finals.

[Airgrimes]

My translations for chapters 59, 60, and 61:

１話「高すぎる壁」
1st Chapter: "An Unmountable Wall"

金太郎vs袴田
金太郎が「消失」で攻撃を受け続けている

Kintaro vs. Hakamada

Kintaro is still feeling the Vanish;

金「（『消失』やと…消えた球がどっから跳ね上がってくるか全くわからん！！）」
「兄（あん）ちゃんオモロイ球打つやんけ…」
袴田「止めじゃ　動（いご）かんでじっとしとけぇ」
血まみれテニス

Kintarou: "(That there Vanish, thing ... I can't figure out where it's gonna up an' land next!!) You hit a sick ball there, bro ... "

Hakamada: "Sweet, now keep your eye on the birdy ..."

Bloody Tennis*

大石仁王vs双子
仁王が菊丸の姿で大石とシンクロしているが、劣勢

Oishi/Niou Vs. Twins

Even in full Synchro, the Oishi/Nio-maru pair are still losing;

双子「懲りないねおたくらも」
大石「やはり同じ『同調（シンクロ）』じゃ１枚も２枚も高校生の方が上手だ」
仁王「双子じゃき分が悪いのう　このままじゃ瞬殺されるのも時間の問題ナリ」

Twins: "You losers must have a pain fetish."

Oishi: "Figures, even with Synchro, these high-schoolers are one, two steps ahead of us."

Niou: "They're getting us good. If this keeps up then they'll slaughter us."

樺地河村vs伊達・伴
余裕の高校生に対し、血まみれで憔悴している樺地と河村

Kabaji/Kawaura Vs. Date/Ban

Compared to their opponents, Kabaji/Kawamura are beatin' up and bloodied;

河村「だ　大丈夫かい樺地くん…」
樺地「……ウ　ウス」

Kawamura: "Are you okay, Kabaji …"

Kabaji: "…... Ye- Yeah."


柳vs三津谷
三津谷「賢明な判断だ　蓮二…」
「勝つか負けるかはデータを弾き出した瞬間に　無情にも分かってしまうよな」
一方的に攻め続けられる柳

Yanagi Vs. Mitsuya

Mitsuya: "That was very wise decision, Renji. The very moment that the data produces solid results, you realize the hard, cold conclusion."

Yanagi fights the good fight;

幼い柳と三津谷？の回想シーン
柳「（帰省中の偶然の出会いは　俺のテニス人生を決定づけた
データテニスか彼からの授かりものなのだ　俺はあくと兄さんからテニスの…
データテニスの全てを教わったんだ）」

A flashback or a very young Yanagi and Mitsuya

Yanagi: "(Meeting him changed everything I knew about tennis. Using data in tennis was the skill that he taught me. Everything I knew about applying data to tennis, and tennis overall was Akuto's doing.)"

乾「諦めるな教授っ！関東決勝の俺との試合を思い出せぇーっ！」
柳「貞治…（俺にもデータを捨てろと…）」

Inui: "Don’t quit, Professor! Remember the match you had with me at the Kanto Finals"

原「何でクロスに打ってんねん！」
謙也「くっ　流石や全ての行動に突っ込みを！」
ロブで返す謙也
原「そこでロブあげたらアカンやろ？ワテはスマッシュめっちゃ好っきゃねん！！」
原のスマッシュが謙也の尻を直撃

Hara: "No cross!"

Kenya: "Damn! Go figure, he's reading everything!"

Kenya lobs;

Hara: "Don'cha think it's trouble lobbing from there? Anyhow, you know what I like though? Smashing!!"

Hara smashes it and has Kenya on his backside;

謙也「ぐぅ…ぬおぉぉ…う」
桃城「け　謙也さん　尻に青アザが…！？」
平「て…哲也の『猛虎飯（もうこはん）』を喰らって青アザだけ…」
原「何でやねん！どないやねん！何勝手に技名つけとんねん！」

Kenya: "Guh…Nuohhhh…uh"

Momoshiro: "Ke…Kenya, he really got you on your ass?!"

Taira: "Te…Tetsuya, your Fierce Tiger Feast is bark and bite … "

Hara: "What in Sam hill! Why you! Don't go givin' my moves names!"

平「お前（みぇ～）らのハートを射抜いたるでぇ」
桃城・謙也「何でやねん！」「だ…誰がやね…」
平「バキュ～～ン」
強力そうなショットを放つ
謙也「来たでぇ今度は狙撃手（ヒットミェ～ン）の『バキュ～ン』や！！」
桃城「…くっ」
ジャックナイフの構えをする桃城
謙也「桃城っ…！？」

Taira: "This one's a heart piercer. Knuckle up, boys."

Momo/Kenya: "What in Sam hill! Why you!"

Taira: "Zapper~."

He hits a good one;

Kenya: "The Hitman's Zapper's comin' our way!!"

Momoshiro: "… Dammit."

Momoshiro gets ready to hit the Jackknife;

Kenya: "Momoshiro…!?"

ラケットでボールを受け止めるも、ガットが歪んで今にも破れそう
謙也「何しとんのや桃城っーっ！？」
「何遍やったってまたガットが突き破られるでぇ！ジャックナイフは通用しいひんって！
その『バキューン』は触らんときや！！
桃城「（俺は…）」
鬼の回想「（這い上がって来い　桃城武）」
桃城「（逃げねぇ　絶対に！）」

It hits, but the racket's gut is through;

Kenya: "What in the world are you doing, Momoshiro!? You could try till yer' blue in the face, but you can't even dream of hitting back the Zapper!!"

Momoshiro: "I…"

A memory of Oni: ("Reach new heights, Momoshiro Takeshi!")

Momoshiro: "... will never give up!"

「桃城（モモ）の意地が奇跡を起こすか！？」

Momo’s burning spirit has created a miraculous comeback?!

１話終了
1st Chaper end



２話「約束」
2nd Chapter: [Promise]

勝ち組中学生の様子
The Middle Schooler's Winning Stance

白石「謙也や金ちゃんが見当たらへん？」
不二「乾や大石や河村（タカさん）…桃城（モモ）もいないね」
跡部「樺地も…ちっ　仁王もいやがらねぇ」
忍足「負け組やな全員…おらへんのは」

Shiraishi: "Anyone see Kenya or Kin?"

Fuji: "Inui, Oishi and Taka-san…and even Momo aren't around."

Atobe: "Kabaji ... and Niou's gone too."

Oshitari: "They were all apart of the losing group…and now nowhere to be found."

「どこ行きやがった負け組（アイツら）…」

Where did they go ...

高校生二軍と№１～１０組はまだコートで向かい合っている
大曲「しかし№１１から№２０遅ぇし」

2nd Stringer High Scholers and No. 1-10 have yet to face each other

Ohmagari: "But No. 11 through No. 20 are late."

№10　毛利　寿三郎（高１）
「皆さん時差ボケとちゃいまっか？」
№9　越智　月光（つきみつ）（高３）
「たいした時差は無い…」
№8　遠野　蔦京（あつきょう）（高３）
「瞬殺じゃ勿体無いからじっくりいたぶってんだよ　性格の悪い奴らだ　フッ」

No. 10 Muuri Jusaburou (High School 1st Year): "Think it's jet-lag?"

No. 9 Ochi Tsukimitsu (High School 3rd Year): "It's not like there was a time-zone switch, or anything."

No. 8 Tohno Atsukyou (High School 3rd Year): "They're probably killing 'em slowly, making it more fun for 'em. After all, getting them too quick would probably be boring in their eyes."

鬼「フン…どうだかな？」
会場「！」
徳川「今回は援軍に苦戦してるかもしれませんね」
平等院「どー言う事だ鬼　心当たりがあるようだな？」
鬼「さあな別に無ぇ…そんな気がしてならねーのさ」

Oni: "Hmph… Oh, really now?"

Everyone: !

Tokugawa: "I'd imagine that they're having trouble with the reinforcements."

Byoudouin: "Wait, what are you getting at, Oni? Do you know something we don't?"

Oni: "Oh, nothing ... Just a gut feeling."

桃城謙也vs平・原
桃城「うおらああああ！！」
「（中学生（オレたち）は強い！！）」
原「ヒラゼン隊長　ありゃまさか…」
平「おそらくそのまさか…や…」

Momoshiro/Kenya Vs. Taira/Hara

Momoshiro: "Uohhhhhh!! Don't look down on the middle school group!!"

桃城「ブラックジャックナイフ！！」
ブラックジャックナイフで平と原のガットが突き破られる
桃城「這い上がってやりましょーよ謙也さん…絶対に」
謙也「当たり前田のクラッカーやろ桃城」

Momoshiro: "Black Jackknife!!"

The Black Jackknife explodes through Taira and Hara’s racket guts;

Momoshiro: "Kenya, whaddya' say we reach new heights?"

Kenya: "Cracker Momoshiro, I say without a doubt ..."

アオリ「鬼から授かったブラックジャックナイフ炸裂！！」

Oni's Black Jackknife explodes!!

2話終了
2nd Chapter Ends


３話「革命軍団の咆哮」
3rd Chapter: Viva La Revolution

柳vs三津谷
開眼して形振り構わずラリーを続ける柳
柳「うおおおおおおおおっ！！」
乾「蓮二…」

Yanagi vs. Mitsuya

Yanagi continues to fight a losing battle;

Yanagi: "Uohhhhhh!!"

Inui: "Renji…"

柳「…ま　まだ…です　この柳蓮二は…　ま…まだ終わっちゃいない」
三津谷「データテニスを捨てた時点でお前は死んだ…その事くらい自分でも分かっていただろ蓮二 」
柳「…貞治　すっきりするな　何も考えずおもいっきりテニスを…　…する…の…」
憔悴し乾に倒れこむ柳
柳「後は頼んだぞ博士…お前の勝率は…33.1％…」

Yanagi: "No…Not…yet. I, Yanagi Renji…am…not finished yet."

Mitsuya: "The instant that you discard the data accumulated through tennis is the instant that you pull the trigger to your doom. Surely you realize this, Renji."

Yanagi: "…Sadaharu, behold. I too can disregard analyzations and simply ... play."

An exhausted Yanagi collapses into Inui’s arms;

Yanagi: "It's in your hands, Doctor. Your probability of winning ... is 33.1%."

三津谷「この数ゲーム　蓮二はキミにゲームを託していた様だ」
「いいだろうキミ！蓮二を寝かせたらコートに入りなさい　えーと…」
乾「青春学園テニス部３年…乾貞治」

Mitsuya: "This game of tennis, dominated by statistics ... It would appear that Renji has passed the torch of data on to you. No matter! Step onto the court and take Renji's position while he takes a breather, Mr. ..."

Inui: "Seishun Academy Tennis Club Senior… Inui Sadaharu."

大石仁王vs双子
シンクロを解いてラリーを続ける大石達

Oishi/Niou Vs. Twins
Oishi and Niou cancel Synchro and continue rallying normally;

仁王「『同調』抜いたら全然使えんのう　大石（タマゴ）」
大石「キミの詐欺（ペテン）だってもうネタ切れなんじゃないかな」

Niou: "So since Synchro's a bust, I'm wondering if that egg head of yours has anymore bright ideas."

Oishi: "Right, because your bag of Hoodini tricks ran dry already, huh."

オーラを纏い宙に浮く双子
大石？「とにかく双子のダブルスはヤバイなんてもんじゃない」　
「お互い相棒の動き・思考までも双子だから手に取るようにわかっ…」
仁王？「！」
大石「に　仁王くん！？」
コート上で相談する大石達

The Twins are cloaked in Synchro-aura and are floating in the air (WTF????)

Oishi: "Anyhow, even without Synchro these guys are amazing at doubles. They both have a mutual understanding of one another from thoughts to movements - the fact that their twins doesn't hurt them much, either."

Niou: !

Oishi: "Ni…Niou?!"

Niou and Oishi chit-chat;

仁王「（考えたな大石…一か八かやってみる価値はありそうじゃき）」
大石「（俺達はここで負ける訳には行かないんだ！！）」
「革命を成し遂げる為に！」

Niou: ("Smart thinking, egghead ... We might as well try anything at this point.")

Oishi: "We won't lose at this point!! Viva La Revolution!"

コートの後ろに回る大石
「大石の領域（テリトリー）」
仁王が双子の姿に変化し、３人でシンクロ状態になっている
双子「バカなっ　私達と同調してるだと！？」
大石「あなた方の思考・動きは　その３つ子から全て筒抜けですよ」
仁王「プリッ」
ムーンボレーを成功させる大石

Oishi moves to the baseline

[Oishi Territory]

Niou becomes an illusion of one of the twins and becomes in Sync with them;

Twins: "Impossible - you're in sync with us?!"

Oishi: "Now every thought that crosses your brain and every muscle you move will be shared with Niou - One big happy family."

Niou: "Play nice.**"

Oishi successfully Moon Volleys;

「遂に負け組中学生たちが一軍の牙城を切り崩す…！」
At long last, the middle-schoolers have taken the high point ... !

3rd Chapter End

* "Bloody Tennis?" So he chooses now to call a tennis match bloody? I guess Clauza vs. Kirihara and Kirihara/Renji vs. Inui/Kaidoh was just Red Sweat Tennis.

**That's Niou's "Puri" and my translation for it.

Notice how Renji vs. Akuto = Inui vs. Renji at the Kanto Finals.

Yeah, I knew Yanagi wouldnt win.
Although Im unsure about Inui winning though.

Since Yanagi and Inui have been depicted as equal, Ill be confused a little if Konomi has Inui defeat someone who crushed Yanagi.

Im more excited about waiting for the Yukimura match outcome though.

[LetalHawk]

Yeah, I knew Yanagi wouldnt win.
Although Im unsure about Inui winning though.

Since Yanagi and Inui have been depicted as equal, Ill be confused a little if Konomi has Inui defeat someone who crushed Yanagi.

Im more excited about waiting for the Yukimura match outcome though.

I'm also looking foward to Yukimura. I want to know how he's going to supress yips. After all, he has to make it to the first string, he is one of the strongest and can't lose to a guy who only reflects things, that's useless. When Yuki awakes and gets out of the yips, he will crush Fuwa.

Kawamura and Kabaji is what confuses me, I don't know how they're going to survive the Danji no Natsu and make a comeback

[Brandnewkid]

I'm also looking foward to Yukimura. I want to know how he's going to supress yips. After all, he has to make it to the first string, he is one of the strongest and can't lose to a guy who only reflects things, that's useless. When Yuki awakes and gets out of the yips, he will crush Fuwa.

Yukimura probably won't achieve Flawless Unity, as it goes against his very character. He's probably going to suppress the Yips by simply breaking out of it; the Yips is his technique. It's not as if the opponent is actually losing their senses - it's a hallucination, as seen during his match with Ryoma, who "regained" his own senses via Flawless Unity. Yukimura knows how to work under hardships more than anyone else in the series. It's said that God places those he loves through harsh trials. Yukimura has already been through one trial: his hospitalization. That's why he's the Child of God/the Demigod. Getting out of the Yips, or working under the Yips is expected.



Kawamura and Kabaji is what confuses me, I don't know how they're going to survive the Danji no Natsu and make a comeback

Power tennis matches in this series are simply surreal games of "I'll send you flying even higher!" The winner will be the pair who can knock their opponents out of the solar system.

[LetalHawk]

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Yukimura probably won't achieve Flawless Unity, as it goes against his very character. He's probably going to suppress the Yips by simply breaking out of it; the Yips is his technique. It's not as if the opponent is actually losing their senses - it's a hallucination, as seen during his match with Ryoma, who "regained" his own senses via Flawless Unity. Yukimura knows how to work under hardships more than anyone else in the series. It's said that God places those he loves through harsh trials. Yukimura has already been through one trial: his hospitalization. That's why he's the Child of God/the Demigod. Getting out of the Yips, or working under the Yips is expected.



Power tennis matches in this series are simply surreal games of "I'll send you flying even higher!" The winner will be the pair who can knock their opponents out of the solar system.


I didn't say that he has to get Tenimuhou, but instead breaking yips using willpower or getting a new aura instead. I wouldn't like to see him getting black aura like Sanada did, but a new aura or technique. I agree with you that he understands his own move and that he will break through it somehow, but I would like to see him achieving something new and awesome.


And about kawa and Kabaji, yeah, they will send them to the outer space and kill them :^_^

[Airgrimes]

Im kinda scared how far Konomi is gonna go lol.

Tooyama VS Hakamada. There is too much bloodshed for it to be called Tennis.

Kawamura may be able to feel the heat of the clouds he's so high up in the sky.

Fuwa blinked and now Yukimura is blind.

Niou has Synchronized with his opponents.

The only normal matches are Taira/Hara VS Momoshiro/Kenya and Irie VS Akiba.

[Atobe the king]

Those last two wont be normal for much longer lol.

[Airgrimes]

Its scaring me haha

[javimgol]

I love these chapters. And I will say it again: Niou-Oishi is perfect. They are 2 of my TOP 5 Favourite players

I think that all the Original PoT players are going to win. All of them lost their last matches and really need a win. The only exception is Yukimira, but he is too awesome to lose VS Number 20

[LetalHawk]

I love these chapters. And I will say it again: Niou-Oishi is perfect. They are 2 of my TOP 5 Favourite players

I think that all the Original PoT players are going to win. All of them lost their last matches and really need a win. The only exception is Yukimira, but he is too awesome to lose VS Number 20

That's what I also think, except for Renji, everybody needs to win, and I think they're gonna do it. I don't think Konomi is so crazy to make some of them lose, it wouldn't make any sense

[LunaLuca]

The chapters are very good.

Niou synchronizing with the Mutsu twins is just crazy cool. It never occurred my mind. But I am glad with this unexpected move.

So this is Momo's comeback match from his defeat in Oni's hands. I pretty much thought that he would have some power ups but I didn't really expect that it would be this early. I just wonder how powerful his BJK is compared to Oni's. Momo's BJK broke the strings of those rackets, Oni's broke his wrist.

Inui. I really have such high trust for the guy. He had been playing doubles for most of the times in PoT 1 when he is actually a much better singles player. I hope that this is his chance to show his skills more.

I can assume that Niou-Oishi pair can win...Momo-Kenya also have their possibility. Yukimura, I don't know how, but he would win. It would be such a disappointment for his character to lose.

[Airgrimes]

lets not get too sure.
A lot of ppl here thought Yanagi would win and he got annihalated.

Though Yukimura is definete win.

Im really on edge for Irie VS Akiba though.

If Akiba wins, then the whole ranking system would fall through.

Irie >> Atobe. If Akiba > Irie and he is just No.20, then it means the rest of the 1st Stringers are SERIOUSLY just playing at the weakest level right now. and when they get serious the 2nd Stringers are dead.

I think Irie has to win.
Considering he broke down Atobe for fun and took 6 straight games, gave him a 5-0 handicap, could have won the match whenever he wanted and let it be a draw, if the No.20 can defeat a guy like that then the rest of the characters have absolutely no hope.

[LetalHawk]

We'll see that the first stringers are going to get serious, but seriously, take Nioh, if he can synchro with the mutsu twins, how the hell are they supposed to win?, I mean, there's nothing they can do right now

[Kaoz]

The chapter 60 and 61 translations are up, you can find links in the OP.

[Airgrimes]

We'll see that the first stringers are going to get serious, but seriously, take Nioh, if he can synchro with the mutsu twins, how the hell are they supposed to win?, I mean, there's nothing they can do right now

Your forgetting that Konomi is a badass who will happily defy physics to create the outcome of a match.
We do not know who will win. Seriously.

Its Irie VS Akiba which seems to be the only normal match going on right now, that has me on edge.

[LetalHawk]

Irie vs Akiba it's not toing to be normal for much longer... lol. I know that the mutsu twins aren't over, Konomi can make some crazy invention, but how are them able to overcome that?, disactivating Synchro?, Konomi... surprise us.

I want to see Yukimura struggling and working his way up to get out of the Yips. Seriously, Fuwa is badass with his reflection, but since Yuki knows his own technique, I'm betting that he will get some crazy move and rape Fuwa, I just want to know what things Konomi has in mind and how can he give Yuki a new, incredible move

[Atobe the king]

Kinda sad the YIPS can be reflected....it's something that happens to a lot of real tennis players so i thought it was cool he integrated it...it being reflected back is kinda lololol. Anyways, yeah irie's match wont be normal for much longer, irie is set to sprout some wings or something.

[LetalHawk]

But if Fuwa's only abilty is that is kinda a weak character don't you think?. also there are way better players ranked lower than him, that sucks

[Bowser]

Mutsu twins can fly now, take that physics.

[Airgrimes]

But if Fuwa's only abilty is that is kinda a weak character don't you think?. also there are way better players ranked lower than him, that sucks

I was thinking the EXACT same thing man.

What else makes Fuwa Tetsuhito No.11?
Coz besides Reflection what makes him better than the likes of Date Danji, Hakamada Izou and Taira Yoshiyuki?

He must have something else, coz against Taira, how could Konomi explain Reflecting a broken Racket?

Im guessing Yukimura will win the match, but Konomi is going to completely laugh in the face of all Physicians when he does it.

[LetalHawk]

I was thinking the EXACT same thing man.

What else makes Fuwa Tetsuhito No.11?
Coz besides Reflection what makes him better than the likes of Date Danji, Hakamada Izou and Taira Yoshiyuki?

He must have something else, coz against Taira, how could Konomi explain Reflecting a broken Racket?

Im guessing Yukimura will win the match, but Konomi is going to completely laugh in the face of all Physicians when he does it.

Maybe Yuki becomes SSJ3 lmfao

[Brandnewkid]

The whole idea behind the Yips is to put the opponent in a state of advanced shock because it appears that every ball the opponent hits will always be returned (does this mean that the "Tennis Robot" can do it too?) no matter what. So, to reflect that shock must mean that Fuwa convinced Yukimura that everything he hits will be returned as well.

Welcome to copy player #4, folks.

[Kaoz]

The whole idea behind the Yips is to put the opponent in a state of advanced shock because it appears that every ball the opponent hits will always be returned (does this mean that the "Tennis Robot" can do it too?) no matter what.

No, it appears to be an ability unique to Yukimura. From what Konomi said in Pair Puri 5, it seems that what you said is only part of the whole thing and that Yukimura himself has some sort of aura that supports that feeling.


Yukimura's "Yips" is not a play style or an ability.
Yukimura's strength by itself causes those around him to inadvertently tense up.
It might feel like "The World of Yukimura"? I wanted to show an absolute existence, a transcendental feeling.
http://fanbook.livejournal.com/29508.html

The purpose of this match might be to explain Yips itself better.


...but in reality, what the heck is "Yips"? Don't worry! I'll make it more understandable from now on (laughs).

[Atobe the king]

The fanbooks explanation is more in line with the actual definition of the yips. The yips is something that can happen in any sport...its just yukimuras ability to cause it is exaggerated. In real matches and tense situations i've seen many players suddenly freeze up..can't hit a forehand properly double faulting left and right etc. Some timIm pretty sure tezuka had a case of the yips when he was in kyushu and couldnt serve at full strength. Since yukimura is likely to be a shoutout to a certain GOAT candidate who did something similar (within realistic means) it's probably something only he can do. But also makes the reflection thing lololol.

[LetalHawk]

Reflection is, in a way, an useless technique. If you only can reflect back states, what will happen against an opponent that uses muga?. For example, Yuki could break out of the yips and use Muga, how will Fuwa counter that?. I don't think he has the power to return some shots like Rai or Daisharin Yama Arashi. You should also know that the stamina isn't much of a problem for Yuki, since he has monstruous stamina

[Atobe the king]

I don't ever see Yukimura opening a door tbh. And I'm pretty sure konomi will write up some way for him to copy muga if Yuki was to use it lol.

[Brandnewkid]

I don't ever see Yukimura opening a door tbh. And I'm pretty sure konomi will write up some way for him to copy muga if Yuki was to use it lol.

Copying The State of Self-Actualization isn't necessary to copy moves. Remember, Atobe copied moves to counter Ryoma's use of Muga during their game at the Nationals.

[Airgrimes]

But Atobe's fast learning of Higuma Otoshi and Viking Horn cant be compared to Muga, considering how Chitose and Echizen used a variety of ppls shots.

I also doubt Konomi will let Yuki open a door.
Just curious now.
Really waiting on that match.

[Atobe the king]

Viking horn was pretty weird...but Higuma otoshi isn't that surprising..Oshitari can do it too, I'm certain he's seen it enough times in practice.

[Airgrimes]

I wasnt saying Higuma Otoshi was surprising, considering his team mate uses it just as much as Fuji.
Its just that Brandnewkid was comparing it to Muga.
Muga is completely on another level. Its just that Atobe is freakin awesome.

Does anyone else think that Irie wont lose to Akiba?

[LetalHawk]

I wasnt saying Higuma Otoshi was surprising, considering his team mate uses it just as much as Fuji.
Its just that Brandnewkid was comparing it to Muga.
Muga is completely on another level. Its just that Atobe is freakin awesome.

Does anyone else think that Irie wont lose to Akiba?

I agree with you that atobe is amazing. I think that Irie will rape Akiba you know, he is much better than him and can't lose to No.20. He and Yukimura are going to win, making them lose wouldn't be fitting for them as they're much better players.

I just see that Akiba is weaker than Irie but I don't know why Irie pretended. He has to go all-out now to defeat him. He should have done this at the beggining of the match

[Atobe the king]

Its just that Atobe is freakin awesome.


My name and avatar should say as much lol. I don't think/want Irie to lose...that other guy is obviously looking down on him and "thinks" he knows Irie's game quite well. So this is grudge match of sorts.

[Airgrimes]

My name and avatar should say as much lol. I don't think/want Irie to lose...that other guy is obviously looking down on him and "thinks" he knows Irie's game quite well. So this is grudge match of sorts.

Yeah I just remembered haha.

I really hope Irie wins otherwise Konomi will have completely DEVALUED Atobe.
Since he let Irie completely walk over somebody as strong as Atobe.
Which should mean Irie is incredibly strong.

Coz anybody that can walk over Atobe is crazy strong. So if Akiba wins then Konomi has A LOT of explaining to do.

Has Hara Tetsuya done anything yet? Coz im still waiting for him and Taira Yoshiyuki to show what makes the No.19 and No.18.
Coz I know String breaking seems amazing, but Momoshiro has shown that Power can overcome that.

So for example, what makes Ishida Gin weaker than Taira Yoshiyuki?
Taira has shown no BIG ability besides a powerful Laserbeam.
Surely he needs something else that made him be chosen well above Tokugawa, Nakagauchi, Miyako, etc.

and as for Hara, Im still waiting for some kind of awesome move from him. If Date can send ppl into the air, and Hakamada's shot falls like a comet, Im hoping he is given a killer shot too.

[Atobe the king]

The racket strings breaking is...eh im tired of him using that to show a players power :( it's getting old.

[Airgrimes]

Ikr, I really hope Konomi will give Hara and Tetsuya another technique each that shows why they are Top20.

[Kaoz]

Has Hara Tetsuya done anything yet? Coz im still waiting for him and Taira Yoshiyuki to show what makes the No.19 and No.18.
Coz I know String breaking seems amazing, but Momoshiro has shown that Power can overcome that.

I'm nitpicking here, but it seems to be a special property of the Black Jack Knife, rather than power in general.


So for example, what makes Ishida Gin weaker than Taira Yoshiyuki?
Taira has shown no BIG ability besides a powerful Laserbeam.
Surely he needs something else that made him be chosen well above Tokugawa, Nakagauchi, Miyako, etc.

Stats probably. Also, assuming that preventing the strings from breaking is indeed a property of BJK, Gin couldn't even hit a Hadokyuu against it.


and as for Hara, Im still waiting for some kind of awesome move from him. If Date can send ppl into the air, and Hakamada's shot falls like a comet, Im hoping he is given a killer shot too.

Hara has that fast smash, Moukohan, if you want to count that.

[LetalHawk]

Yeah I just remembered haha.

I really hope Irie wins otherwise Konomi will have completely DEVALUED Atobe.
Since he let Irie completely walk over somebody as strong as Atobe.
Which should mean Irie is incredibly strong.

Coz anybody that can walk over Atobe is crazy strong. So if Akiba wins then Konomi has A LOT of explaining to do.

Has Hara Tetsuya done anything yet? Coz im still waiting for him and Taira Yoshiyuki to show what makes the No.19 and No.18.
Coz I know String breaking seems amazing, but Momoshiro has shown that Power can overcome that.

So for example, what makes Ishida Gin weaker than Taira Yoshiyuki?
Taira has shown no BIG ability besides a powerful Laserbeam.
Surely he needs something else that made him be chosen well above Tokugawa, Nakagauchi, Miyako, etc.

and as for Hara, Im still waiting for some kind of awesome move from him. If Date can send ppl into the air, and Hakamada's shot falls like a comet, Im hoping he is given a killer shot too.

Taira has shown his Bakyuun, Hara his Moukohan. That, combined with their stats makes them No.19 and No.18. Black Jack Knife is too much for them, I don't think they're going to overcome it, maybe they will start avoiding Momo but Kenya has to shown his improvement yet. Also, Tokugawa and Oni are much better players than the B part of the first string, they'll probably have a close match with Byodouin and Shuuji, if they lose for example 7-6, that means that they could crush everybody of the B part.

I think that Taira and Hara have no moves left, that is enough to show that they're strong. About Ishida Gin being weaker than them, I'm not too sure about that, you think they could counter a 100th style Hadoukyuu?

Finally, I want to see Echizen in action, the other players already got too much spotlight, but Echizen has to show why he is the strongest and become a first stringer

[Airgrimes]

I'm nitpicking here, but it seems to be a special property of the Black Jack Knife, rather than power in general.
Its nit-picking but it could well be a fair explanation so you may be right. We'll just have to wait and see.




Stats probably. Also, assuming that preventing the strings from breaking is indeed a property of BJK, Gin couldn't even hit a Hadokyuu against it. IF that is the case.

What if for example you get Kite VS Taira and Kite keeps hitting Habu's.
If Taira cant return a Habu what could he do?
Im not saying Kite is better than Taira but Im saying what technique makes him No.18?

And have we seen the Stats? If so can I have a link please?




Hara has that fast smash, Moukohan, if you want to count that.

The Moukohan is cool, made me laugh, but its like if Momoshiro ONLY had Super Dunk. Surely Hara needs to have more than just a great smash?

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Taira has shown his Bakyuun, Hara his Moukohan. That, combined with their stats makes them No.19 and No.18. Black Jack Knife is too much for them, I don't think they're going to overcome it, maybe they will start avoiding Momo but Kenya has to shown his improvement yet.
A powerful Laserbeam and an amazing smash cant be enough to be Top 20.
Otherwise what would be the point of all these characters having Mojuu no Aura or Muga no Kyouchi etc. if just a forehand and smash can get you further. Surely the Top 20 have a variety of techniques?

Have we seen their stats? please give me a link since I havent seen them.



Also, Tokugawa and Oni are much better players than the B part of the first string, they'll probably have a close match with Byodouin and Shuuji, if they lose for example 7-6, that means that they could crush everybody of the B part.
Your totally guessing here.
And I didnt mention Oni for a reason.
It is stated that Irie and Oni are 1st Stringer level but they stayed behind to strengthen the rest of the Japan Junior Tennis Camp.

I was only talking about Tokugawa and the other members of 3rd Court. Taira and Hara were chosen as Top 20 which initially makes them better than everyone else who did not get chosen right?
Perhaps Tokugawa is an exception. But I havent seen anything that makes Taira and Hara better than Miyako, Matsudaira and Yamato etc. yet.

Miyako was the main guy in taking 4 games from Shiraishi/Kirihara pair which is a stronger team than Momo&Kenya.
Miyako is rougly Kirihara level.
So Taira/Hara are dominating, its not like they are dominating a better team than Shiraishi/Kirihara like Miyako did.



I think that Taira and Hara have no moves left, that is enough to show that they're strong. About Ishida Gin being weaker than them, I'm not too sure about that, you think they could counter a 100th style Hadoukyuu?

No moves left? How does that show strength?
So theyve dominated Momoshiro/Oshitari. Those two arent even near the best middle schoolers.
Theyve only shown ONE move each. All the top players have a variety of moves except Akutsu.

The way the storyline works, there is no way Ishida Gin could defeat them.
Konomi wouldnt let all of his Top20 lose so soon.

[Kaoz]

Its nit-picking but it could well be a fair explanation so you may be right. We'll just have to wait and see.

I'm mostly basing this on two things:
1. If you look at the second to last page in chapter 59, you can see a black swirl, so that might mean that the spin gets neutralized.
2. Apparently, the string still broke when Momo used a normal Jack Knife, which implies that BJK has some special property to it.


IF that is the case.

What if for example you get Kite VS Taira and Kite keeps hitting Habu's.
If Taira cant return a Habu what could he do?
Im not saying Kite is better than Taira but Im saying what technique makes him No.18?

And have we seen the Stats? If so can I have a link please?

No, no stats. But if you think about it, the 1st Stringers probably have much better stats than 3rd court, who in turn had better stats than the middle schoolers during the team shuffle.

Kite doesn't use Habu in the manga, but even assuming he could, it shouldn't be too difficult to return, as long as you don't use a large swing.


The Moukohan is cool, made me laugh, but its like if Momoshiro ONLY had Super Dunk. Surely Hara needs to have more than just a great smash?

Well, we've seen that he apparently has a good tactical understanding, as he was able to predict pretty much everything Kenya did. That's no special technique, but still something he has over a lot of other people.

[Brandnewkid]

A powerful Laserbeam and an amazing smash cant be enough to be Top 20.
Otherwise what would be the point of all these characters having Mojuu no Aura or Muga no Kyouchi etc. if just a forehand and smash can get you further. Surely the Top 20 have a variety of techniques?

You might be missing the point; that may be exactly what's good enough to get in the top 20. Remember, the middle schoolers were invited to the camp in the first place because they had amazing talent (Wild Beast Aura, Muga, all the surreal techniques we've seen up until this point, etc.). The camp is just having them do all these extreme trainings because it's implied that the higher-ups that run the U-17 are well-aware that the middle-schoolers can and will surpass the high-schoolers.

The high-schoolers are powerful, but the whole reason that the middle-schoolers are even at the U-17 are because they're supposed to be good enough to beat the Stringers and take their spots.

[LetalHawk]

Its nit-picking but it could well be a fair explanation so you may be right. We'll just have to wait and see.


IF that is the case.

What if for example you get Kite VS Taira and Kite keeps hitting Habu's.
If Taira cant return a Habu what could he do?
Im not saying Kite is better than Taira but Im saying what technique makes him No.18?

And have we seen the Stats? If so can I have a link please?




The Moukohan is cool, made me laugh, but its like if Momoshiro ONLY had Super Dunk. Surely Hara needs to have more than just a great smash?

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A powerful Laserbeam and an amazing smash cant be enough to be Top 20.
Otherwise what would be the point of all these characters having Mojuu no Aura or Muga no Kyouchi etc. if just a forehand and smash can get you further. Surely the Top 20 have a variety of techniques?

Have we seen their stats? please give me a link since I havent seen them.


Your totally guessing here.
And I didnt mention Oni for a reason.
It is stated that Irie and Oni are 1st Stringer level but they stayed behind to strengthen the rest of the Japan Junior Tennis Camp.

I was only talking about Tokugawa and the other members of 3rd Court. Taira and Hara were chosen as Top 20 which initially makes them better than everyone else who did not get chosen right?
Perhaps Tokugawa is an exception. But I havent seen anything that makes Taira and Hara better than Miyako, Matsudaira and Yamato etc. yet.

Miyako was the main guy in taking 4 games from Shiraishi/Kirihara pair which is a stronger team than Momo&Kenya.
Miyako is rougly Kirihara level.
So Taira/Hara are dominating, its not like they are dominating a better team than Shiraishi/Kirihara like Miyako did.



No moves left? How does that show strength?
So theyve dominated Momoshiro/Oshitari. Those two arent even near the best middle schoolers.
Theyve only shown ONE move each. All the top players have a variety of moves except Akutsu.

The way the storyline works, there is no way Ishida Gin could defeat them.
Konomi wouldnt let all of his Top20 lose so soon.

Konomi can make them lose the B part since they're not THAT important, you know in the end Momo and Kenya are going to win, what's the point of making them lose again? The REALLY important part are the top 10.

When I sayed no moves left I was talking about special moves. Their stats are court 1 level, sure, but I think Konomi has displayed their abilities to much, now it's the turn of middle schoolers to defeat them don't you think?

[Airgrimes]

You might be missing the point; that may be exactly what's good enough to get in the top 20. Remember, the middle schoolers were invited to the camp in the first place because they had amazing talent (Wild Beast Aura, Muga, all the surreal techniques we've seen up until this point, etc.). The camp is just having them do all these extreme trainings because it's implied that the higher-ups that run the U-17 are well-aware that the middle-schoolers can and will surpass the high-schoolers.

The high-schoolers are powerful, but the whole reason that the middle-schoolers are even at the U-17 are because they're supposed to be good enough to beat the Stringers and take their spots.

I actually forgot that.
But thing is, its only Momo and Kenya.

Do Momo and Kenya fit in the Top20 best Middle Schoolers?
They dont :/
So I wasnt expecting those 2 of all ppl to end up as 1st Stringers.



Konomi can make them lose the B part since they're not THAT important, you know in the end Momo and Kenya are going to win, what's the point of making them lose again? The REALLY important part are the top 10.

When I sayed no moves left I was talking about special moves. Their stats are court 1 level, sure, but I think Konomi has displayed their abilities to much, now it's the turn of middle schoolers to defeat them don't you think?

Konomi hasnt shown Hara and Taira's abilities much at all...
He has barely displayed ANY of the 1st Stringers abilities... How did you work out it was too much?

But why would Momo and Kenya win of all players? There are SEVERAL better middle schoolers who can beat them. So why them?

[LetalHawk]

Why them?, don't know really dude, but since they trained like hell and they become way better then other middle schoolers, they can really make it. For example, Momo with Black Jack Knife is way stronger than before. I know they're inferior to other middle schoolers, but they are better than some court 3 players (Kite, Krauser, Jirou), if they make it to the first string, that means something. I don't think that is THAT hard for them to beat Taira and Hara, and they'll probably end up winning, so I don't see why you say that they have to lose

[Airgrimes]

Momo and Kenya better than Kite???
How do you work that out? Remember Kite can TELELPORT ANYWHERE. And he has an extremely difficult serve to return.
Big Bang is awesome.

Momoshiro is about Hirakoba's level.
But thanks to Black Jack Knife, he is equal to Kirihara now.

I imagine Kenya will also get a power lift soon too.

Ill definetely give you he's better than Krauser.
Perhaps just a little bit better than Jirou.

I didnt say they have to lose, but If Momo becomes No. 19, It wouldnt be right since there are over 15 middle schoolers better than him, not including the Top 10 who are DEFINETELY better than him.

If you want 15 players here : Echizen, Fuji, Shiraishi, Atobe, Chitose, Tachibana, Yagyuu, Niou, Kirihara, Yanagi, Inui, Tooyama, Akutsu, Sanada, Yukimura, Remember Kaido is his Equal.
Not to mention The great Beast Tezuka will probably return.

If they make it to the 1st String, where do guys like Atobe, Shiraishi, Fuji & Tachibana stand?..
Guys like Yamato who was only JUST under Tezuka before PoP.
So thats like Fuji level.
Guys like Irie who is only facing no.20.
Yamato and Irie would beat Momoshiro.

What im sayin is that Momo&Kenya winning the next match is not definete.
The game could still go either way.

[Brandnewkid]

You're just picking at favorites. Remember what I said, if a middle-schooler was invited to the U-17, then the U-17 knows that the middle-schooler can beat one of their high-schoolers. It's not about ranks and tiers within the middle-school level anymore - this isn't PoT1 where the apex of ability was the Nationals; it doesn't matter if they're better than Kite or not. The point is, they've been through hellish training designed to bring their potential up to the high-school level. It's middle-schoolers vs. high-schoolers now, and we can't judge them like we would be able to in the previous series.

[LetalHawk]

Well, you know that atobe, shiraishi, fuji, echizen... will make it to the top 10, but altough there are better middle schoolers than Momo it's not that important since they're facing first stringers, that they're better than them doesn't mean that they're stronger than other middle schoolers, but we don't know how strong Momo is now, but at the end of Shin he will be around fuji's level, just like Kaidoh, both of them have a very huge potential

[Airgrimes]

Well, you know that atobe, shiraishi, fuji, echizen... will make it to the top 10, but altough there are better middle schoolers than Momo it's not that important since they're facing first stringers, that they're better than them doesn't mean that they're stronger than other middle schoolers, but we don't know how strong Momo is now, but at the end of Shin he will be around fuji's level, just like Kaidoh, both of them have a very huge potential

Momo & Kaidoh will be at Fuji level? A little exaggeration I think.

Fuji is yet to be handed his power-up.
If he finished last series with stopping his opponent from hitting a shot with over the net, then I cant see how Momo and Kaido would improve THAT much lol.

And do you think its fair to say to say stronger than Kite??
Im sorry but Kite > Momo.

[LetalHawk]

I'm agree with you about fuji but I don't think Kite is stronger. Momo could return big bang because he has improved greatly his power, Kite wouldn't even stand a chance against BJK, that move is so powerful.

[Airgrimes]

Fair enough with Kite.

Do you think Konomi will give him a power-up?
Coz he was introduced as a FAR better version of Tanishi Kei.

Remember he apparently CRUSHED all of his opponents towards the nationals.

Now with Irie VS Akiba, do we still think Irie will win?
Because im hoping that Irie will win.

[Brandnewkid]

Regarding Fuwa's Reflection, I think I may have an idea as to how it works. Gather 'round, kids.

As you all may or may not know, the eyes are organs that detect light, right? The eyes are directly connected to the brain. I don't know how exactly, but Fuwa may have done something to Yukimura that simulated the electro-chemical neuron impulses in his brain to reproduce the Yips in him. Maybe his eyes have the ability to reflect the state of the sensory system? I mean, the Yips in PoT is related to the sensory system.

[LetalHawk]

Fair enough with Kite.

Do you think Konomi will give him a power-up?
Coz he was introduced as a FAR better version of Tanishi Kei.

Remember he apparently CRUSHED all of his opponents towards the nationals.

Now with Irie VS Akiba, do we still think Irie will win?
Because im hoping that Irie will win.



I'm with you airgrimes, Irie will definitely win, what's the point of making him lose to No.20?, he has to own him somehow. As for Yukimura, I hope he makes his way through the Yips since it is his own technique and he knows perfectly how it works. Also, since he is one of the strongest (and stronger than Sanada, for sure), he has too much hype to lose to a random guy, so I predict that Yuki will struggle with yips as fuwa takes one or maybe two games, then, he rememebers his match against Ryoma and that he can't only rely on Yips and bam, he uses a new, ultra crazy technique that will make Fuwa piss himself

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I think that Irie will win, but Yukimura will lose. Right now, I only see Momoshrio/Kenya and Irie winning of those who are playing. With the way Momoshiro has been treated in this series and him pulling out the Black Jack Knife, I have to think that he's going to win.

[LetalHawk]

I think that Irie will win, but Yukimura will lose. Right now, I only see Momoshrio/Kenya and Irie winning of those who are playing. With the way Momoshiro has been treated in this series and him pulling out the Black Jack Knife, I have to think that he's going to win.

Why Yukimura has to lose?; to a guy whose ability is only reflection?, that wouldn't make sense, if Momo and Kenya win Yukimura HAS to win, Konomi can't screw up things and make momo win and Yuki lose

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Why Yukimura has to lose?; to a guy whose ability is only reflection?, that wouldn't make sense, if Momo and Kenya win Yukimura HAS to win, Konomi can't screw up things and make momo win and Yuki lose

You're making a pretty big assumption that his opponent's only ability is reflection, just because that's all we've seen so far. He probably has more abilities than that based on his status on the team.

Momoshiro and Kenya's match has no bearing on what Yukimura does right now, because they're playing different opponents. Momoshiro's growth has been highlighted and this match is clearly being used to show how he's evolved. It makes sense from a narrative point of view for him to win. Yukimura, on the other hand, hasn't been handed any loss in this series or given any real motivation to move forward yet. A loss would give him more cause to grow as a character.

[LetalHawk]

You're making a pretty big assumption that his opponent's only ability is reflection, just because that's all we've seen so far. He probably has more abilities than that based on his status on the team.

Momoshiro and Kenya's match has no bearing on what Yukimura does right now, because they're playing different opponents. Momoshiro's growth has been highlighted and this match is clearly being used to show how he's evolved. It makes sense from a narrative point of view for him to win. Yukimura, on the other hand, hasn't been handed any loss in this series or given any real motivation to move forward yet. A loss would give him more cause to grow as a character.

But now is the moment, the moment to handle Yuki a power up and make him grow even more, if Konomi made Fuwa reflect back yips that means something, Yukimura can't only rely on yips, that's why he has to show that now

[Airgrimes]

All I know is, Yukimura losing, would De-Value Sanada and every other middle schooler.

Considering Yukimura broke down SEVERAL techniques of other middle schoolers when Echizen went Muga no Kyouchi-crazy on him.

I hope Yukimura and Irie win more than anything. Theyve been hyped up to win too much to lose before they even reach Top10 players.

Does anyone else find it annoying that we dont know the game-count of ANY of the games that have involved the Top 20 so far..?

[LetalHawk]

All I know is, Yukimura losing, would De-Value Sanada and every other middle schooler.

Considering Yukimura broke down SEVERAL techniques of other middle schoolers when Echizen went Muga no Kyouchi-crazy on him.

I hope Yukimura and Irie win more than anything. Theyve been hyped up to win too much to lose before they even reach Top10 players.

Does anyone else find it annoying that we dont know the game-count of ANY of the games that have involved the Top 20 so far..?

Yeah dude, Yuki and Irie for the win. I find it annoying also, if they win how the heck are we supposed to know without knowing the game count lol. I'm so confused because from now on I don't know what will happen. Momo and Kenya can win, but others like kabaji and kawamura have all the chances of losing (unless they make a miraculous comeback). If somebody has news on this months chapters, please post them as soon as possible.

[Airgrimes]

I just hope the Top 10 matches are 1 by 1 and not all 5 at a time.
Switching between scenes aint fun.

Someone like Tooyama or Yukimura deserve a LOT more than a shared scene.