Reviewer Alliance HQ Thread

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Reviewer Alliance HQ Thread

Welcome, everyone, to the Reviewer Alliance HQ Thread. This is the place where everything JR-related is discussed.


http://mangahelpers.com/forum/images/icons/20gofpu.gif Bakuman

kdowns
alphabeta
FrostyMouse
OtakuModeEngage
scav
blade5468 (Senpai)



http://mangahelpers.com/forum/images/icons/post/Bleach.png Bleach

Mattiaildivino
OtakuModeEngage
Mrlazsa
vagabond87
The Underscore (Senpai)
danzouismadara (Senpai)
SaitoSpike (Senpai)
The Newbie (Senpai)




http://mangahelpers.com/forum/images/icons/post/D%20Gray%20Man.png D.Gray-Man

Niko_kun
unknownymous
Kisame Hoshigaki
Cezgeth (Senpai)
Jaymie (Senpai)




http://mangahelpers.com/forum/images/icons/post/Fairy%20Tail.png Fairy Tail

FrostyMouse
k-dom
Jyten




http://mangahelpers.com/forum/images/icons/post/Naruto.png Naruto

benelori
Delbi
jdw
ninjabot
KiSwordsman




http://mangahelpers.com/forum/images/icons/post/One%20Piece.png One Piece

vagabond87
Zehahaha
Page356
ukimix
Razh




Art Corner



Bleach




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Naruto




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Bakuman




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Fairy Tail




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Yohoho...this is sort of a workshop thread, for future Joint Reviews. Enjoy!

You can discuss review formats, choose mangas to review, etc...basically discuss everything that is relevant to the Alliance.

I will stick around, maybe suggest stuff, but the main voice is Alpha, so take the scene dear sir.

Let's make this awesome!:lolo
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TOP SECRET PLAN ON HOW TO TURN
THE REVIEVER ALLIANCE INTO SOME AWESOME SHIT

Before we start, the above title is the only thing which will even remotely remind of a joke. Starting from this point and ending with the publication of our next Joint Review I get serious. There’s a helluva amount of work lying in front of us, and if we just goof around the Reviewer Alliance (RA) will remain just a failed project. You get it. No jokes, no wannabe-bullsh**, nothing at all. Let’s begin.

Small explanation of what awaits us next. You will see three sections called “Format” “Content” and “Organization”. The titles are self-explaining and don’t need any extra explaining from my side. What comes next, are those questions listed under the respective sections. Now, and this is important. WE WILL NOT PUBLISH ANY JOINT REVIEWS UNTIL WE CLEARED ALL THE QUESTIONS. Did I make myself clear? I want to avoid at all cost the horror that happened back at our Bleach JR. We are going to do it like this. We’ll start with the “Format” section and will work our way up to the very last question. Basically, whenever we face a question, we make a brainstorm, then filter out the best suggestions and finally come to an agreement and move on, until we finish all the questions. Note, that over the time, I might add new questions if I decide that a certain aspect hasn’t been discussed, or the other way round, I might remove the finished status of a question (with stating a reason obviously) and then we’ll have to go back to it, and discuss the matter. Also, as you see now, every question is colored in red. This means that this question is not answered. Once we start discussing it, I will change it into blue, what will mean “Work in progress”. And finally when we come to an agreement, it will turn green. Easy to understand, no? :police If you don’t agree, feel free to tell me what you would do different and I’ll gladly discuss the matter with you.

P.S. @ all the newcomers.
As I’ve explained before your main task is to provide us with material for the Bonus Section. Now you might think, that this is where you have to stop, but this isn’t the case. Even though you don’t write the actual review, you are still members of this big group called Reviewer Alliance. By no cost do I want to achieve the feeling, that you are “outcasts” or anything of that sort. You are members of the RA, just like me and black and bene and everyone else. We all are one big group and we must stand together, no? :D Anyway, I got distracted. The main thing is that you can also participate in the discussion of those questions. I should only be grateful for any ideas you could give us. :thumbs

- Format
- A1 What and how many sections should be in a review?
- A2 What should the sections be called?
- A3 What is the maximum amount of reviewers for every precise sections?
- A4 In what order should we make the respective sections?
- A5 Should we make one fixated format for all reviews, or a specific one for every different manga?

- Content
- B1 If there are more than 2 reviewers working on one section, how should the section be spilled as to avoid repeats?
- B2 How big should be a section? How many paragraphs should it have?
- B3 How much humor/jokes should we put into our review?
- B4 How to link the content of our respective sections? How to make the review seem more like a whole thing, and not just a bunch of text from 5 different people?

- Organization
- C1 How do we choose the reviewers who are responsible for the respective sections ?
- C2 Who is the boss in a team and responsible for everything?
- C3 What to do with the newcomers and how to involve them in our review?
- C4 Is there a way how to prevent accidently deleting the review?
- C5 How to find out, whether someone did any changes?
- C6 How do we choose the manga we are going to review?
- C7 Where will we write the actual review? Google Docs or MH?
- C8 What is the deadline for the finishedl Review? 48 or 72 hours?

I’m pretty sure I’ll add more questions later. I’ve only published this thing so that we can actually start working. Here’s an example to show what I mean.

Question A1:
Let’s count. Poll; Review Intro; Small Summary; Long Summary; Art Corner; Character Spotlight; Predictions; P.S. (I’m not sure of this section, maybe we should remove it?); Bonus.
So, if we count the Poll as well we have 9 sections.

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Finish the Review in 2011:11:7






@Coffee
Make a One Piece Banner.

@Shinsatsu
Make a Fairy Tail Banner.

@Googlez_kun
Make a FT/OP fanart

@Writers
FT/OP based story

@Reviewers
Discuss the questions




No maximum amount of Reviewers. Write as much as you can. "Editor" will put it all together.





Member List

alphabeta (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/150349-alphabeta) (Reviewer) (GMT+3)
benelori (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/73236-benelori) (Reviewer) (GMT+2)
blackjack612 (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/77762-blackjack612) (Reviewer) (GMT-6)
dark Lord (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/113068-dark-lord) (Reviewer) (GMT)
Googlez_kun (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/64261-Googlez_kun) (Artist) (GMT+2)
Jammin (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/11470-Jammin) (Reviewer) (GMT-5)
Josef K. (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/137544-Josef-K.) (Reviewer) (GMT+1)
Kdowns (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/86796-kdowns) (Reviewer/Writer) (GMT-8)
LoneLobo (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/91041-LoneLobo) (Reviewer) (GMT+2)
otomo20 (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/164615-otomo20) (Reviewer) (GMT+8)
phio_chan (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/143523-phio_chan) (Writer) (GMT+7)
RaveDragon (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/158318-RaveDragon) (Writer) (GMT+2)
scav (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/136240-scav) (Reviewer) (???)
Shinsatsu (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/48065-Shinsatsu) (Artist) (GMT)
The Underscore (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/64778-The-Underscore) (Reviewer) (GMT+1)
yukilove21 (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/113887-yukilove21) (Writer) (GMT-8)
~coffee~ (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/114077-Coffee) (Artist) (GMT-8)



O.K. Let's skip the formalities (they'll come later :hurr) and get over to main business. In my last message I asked you guys to... well, you remember what. The point is, that I want to specify that I need your timezone in a GMT format. Thanks in advance.

I already kinda got used to those PM's. :darn

---------- Post added at 07:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:44 PM ----------

In all these big whirl of good news, I have a bad one for you guys. otomo20 is as of now, officially not part of the Reviewer Alliance anymore. This will stay this way until we hear any new news from him.

[Jammin]

Greetings all. For anybody who doesn't know I'm the current reviewer for a manhwa webcomic called "Noblesse". If you've never heard of the series I recommend you check it out. It starts out a bit slow but steadily improves as the series progresses and at this point I would put it's story on par with any manga or manhwa out there.

My timezone is eastern standard daylight time or GMT - 5:00

[LoneLobo]

Greetings!
Because I'm really busy all I'm posting right now is my timezone:

Central European Time, normally GMT+1, currently we have daylight saving time, meaning GMT+2.

Greetings,
Lone

[blackjack612]

Hi all. I'm currently CST (US) : GMT -6. However, when I move to start my new job, I'll be GMT-8 after 10/7/11.

[alphabeta]

In case anyone is interested. My timezone is MST (Moscow Time Zone): GMT +3.

:vbunny

take 1 from that and you got me

[The Underscore]

For me it's GMT +1, same as LoneLobo.
Little activity except for the occasional Friday night, Saturday a couple of hours and Sunday (almost) all day. I'm far too busy :(.

[alphabeta]

As always, scav is late. :fail Scav, man, stop ignoring your activity in this Alliance. If you want a Breaker/Noblesse Joint Review, better do as I say :pwnge

---------- Post added September 30, 2011 at 01:30 AM ---------- Previous post was September 29, 2011 at 11:11 PM ----------

On a side note, Jammin and Underscore, I need a real nick for you. I mean something like alphabeta ---> alpha ; benelori ----> bene

Writing your whole usernames everytime is getting a little bit annoying. I suggest jamm and u_s respectively. Your thoughts about this, please.

[Jammin]

Scav mentioned to me that he was a bit busy. So it might be a little while before he ready your message alphabeta.

-----------------------------

As for thoughts on nicknames.....


My 1st thought is "Since Jammin is my nickname, having a nickname for a nickname is a weird concept.":amuse
My 2nd thought is "Jammin is only 6 letters! Is shortening it really worthwhile?" -teasing:p
My 3rd thought is "However you want to shorten it is fine. When I'm putting in a pinball score or something I usually go with "JMN"; can't get much shorter than that. Or "Jam" or "Jamm" as long as I can figure out who your talking about it's fine by me."

[benelori]

OP was on break this week, so when finally it comes back next week, we could try reviewing that

[alphabeta]

OP was on break this week, so when finally it comes back next week, we could try reviewing that

First we gotta finish all the preparations I mentioned in my last PM. Then we have to decide what to review next. Let's not forget about scav's idea with the characte review.

---------- Post added October 01, 2011 at 07:01 PM ---------- Previous post was September 30, 2011 at 07:56 AM ----------

I'm kinda late with the preparations and stuff, but I suggest that the next manga we review should be Fairy Tail. Everyone who read the last chapter should agree with me.

[The Underscore]

Either One Piece or Fairy Tail could be good. With Fairy Tail's current events it would be fun doing the next chapter. Though I'd say it would have to be next week's chapter to review considering the current events :amuse.

Also on a nickname for my nickname, I guess you could use u_s. I usually use Underscore if "The" can't be added, but as long as an underscore is used it could work :amuse. Though just using an underscore would be confusing ;).

[alphabeta]

Either One Piece or Fairy Tail could be good. With Fairy Tail's current events it would be fun doing the next chapter. Though I'd say it would have to be next week's chapter to review considering the current events :amuse.

I'd love to review FT 254, but no matter how we look at it, we're not gonna make it. Heck, I'm not even sure about 255. I didn't mention this here, but aside from structurizing the whole JR business, I'm also recruiting people for our Bonus section. Artist's and writers. I send my proposal only yesterday, but already got 3 new people for our Alliance. I suppose though, that I'll finally post the main stuff of what I thought up today. :headscratch

[Googlez_kun]

Yohohoho~So what's the next review?OP or FT?Would be good to know.Thanks in advance!

[alphabeta]

Yohohoho~So what's the next review?OP or FT?Would be good to know.Thanks in advance!

We'll tell you in advance. One thing's for sure. There guaranteed won't ba a review the next chapter.

How soon do you have to know in advance?

[Googlez_kun]

I see,thanks.

Of course it depends on what i want to do.Fanart,coloring or something else,but that doesn't really matter all that much.What I'd want to know is how long you need to complete a review?But I guess I'd like to know it one day in advance.

[alphabeta]

I see,thanks.

Of course it depends on what i want to do.Fanart,coloring or something else,but that doesn't really matter all that much.What I'd want to know is how long you need to complete a review?But I guess I'd like to know it one day in advance.


one day :lmao

Let me tell you this. Once we finish the whole prepation stuff, we'll only have to make a schedule of reviews. My plan is that we'll make a schedule for 4 reviews straight meaning you'll have a whole month before you to prepare some works :thumbs

[Josef K.]

Hello. :)

I reviewed this weeks One Piece chapter and became fond of it, it was pretty fun actually, may I suggest more attention to that place, I mean I decided to do a review about the chapter because of the break, can someone try to do it more frequently there like it used to be, it feels like it has died out, I will try my best to do weekly reviews but I hope for others to jump in, other popular manga get reviews pretty much weekly.

[alphabeta]

Trololo~

Ladies and Gentlemen,

please allow me to introduce the new members that I managed to bring into our Alliance. First we start with the newborn Reviewer Josef K (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/137544-Josef-K.). Then we move onto three new people who will write some awesome literral works for our Bonus Section. yukilove21 (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/113887-yukilove21), kdowns (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/86796-kdowns) and phio_chan (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/143523-phio_chan). And, saving the best for last :D. We have Googlez_kun (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/64261-Googlez_kun) as the main contribution of the artistic half in the Bonus Section.


Welcome Everyone
:confetti

Let's get the party started :party (No alcohol to minors tho :police)

O.K. I was joking. Things get serious from now on. I PM'ed bene with the list of changes I was talking about. Once he publishes it in the OP we can finally start working. Also, newcomer-group. Please tell me your timezones in a GMT format, so that I can make deadlines and stuff. Once again, welcome to our Reviewer Alliance.

[kdowns]

Umm, I am CST which I believe is GMT-8 I think

[Josef K.]

I am CET(Central European Time), that is GMT+1.

[alphabeta]

I am so ashamed of myself. :scry I forgot to introduce the main artist here around MH and also the person who does the banners for our Joint Reviews. On top of that, I just heard that he will get a partner in crime as well. Guys, please officially welcome with me...


~Coffee~ (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/114077-Coffee) and Shinsatsu (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/48065-Shinsatsu)

:confetti

Guys, the part about timezone applies to you as well. Same thing goes for the alcohol rule :police

[benelori]

OP will be edited tomorrow...until then, I might ask the artists to think up a few ideas for future banners, but not just the opening banners, but other banners, as well for the different sections of the reviews...see The Underscore's reviews for more detail...

[~Coffee~]

(GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)

[yukilove21]

My time is the same as ~Coffee~'s.

[alphabeta]

Yo, guys

just a small update that the Community Awards have begun the 2nd voting round, and now you can make new votes, but only 2 instead of 4. You all know whome to vote for, right? :police

I wish everyone the best of luck, and may the Best Reviewer win :whoo

[phio_chan]

Well, here I am.
One thing I'd like to mention (again) before everything started, is that I might not be able to be of much help around here. I'm quite busy, but I would do my best to help around. At least I would notify you if I can't participate in anything assigned for me or something like that. :3 Welcome to everyone else too~

As for my timezone, it's GMT+7. No DST.

[Googlez_kun]

I think I'm GMT +2

[alphabeta]

It's me again.

There's a small change of seats in our Alliance. First of all, welcome with me a new Reviewer for our team. The one I'm talking about is non other then Dark Lord (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/113068-dark-lord).


Welcome Dark Lord
:confetti

Also, about the change of seats. Kdowns is switching from the writer of Bonus Section, to the Reviewer Team. Since those two are relativelly new to writing reviews and stuff we'll have to start slow, but I'm sure those two will become great Reviewers :thumbs

[kdowns]

Wait... Wut?

---------- Post added at 10:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:28 PM ----------

Also, I can write stuff still for the bonus section.

[alphabeta]

Wait... Wut?


Don't "Wait... Wut?" me. You've written a Bakuman Review. Now be a man and admit that you're a Reviewer :3c

Also, bene, finally change the OP, will ya? :fail

[blackjack612]

So we're reviewing this week's One Piece?

[alphabeta]

So we're reviewing this week's One Piece?

To make it short. No.
To make it long. Wait till bene updates the OP. I've written the detailed plan of what to do next there.

---------- Post added at 10:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:39 PM ----------

I got tired of waiting for bene :notrust

As of now, this (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/72753-Reviewer-Alliance-HQ-thread?p=2615038&viewfull=1#post2615038) is considered the OP and for the time being it will stay this way. You all know what to do. :police

[Josef K.]

Wait we are not reviewing One Piece? I joined the group for this reason. :(

Also my other goal was to spread to reviewing thing farther from the Bleach and Naruto forums which already got steady and weekly reviews. Seinen forums and their manga deserve reviews as well.

[alphabeta]

Wait we are not reviewing One Piece? I joined the group for this reason. :(

Also my other goal was to spread to reviewing thing farther from the Bleach and Naruto forums which already got steady and weekly reviews. Seinen forums and their manga deserve reviews as well.


http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/2/10/129103208507007417.jpg

We ARE going to review OP. But not now. First we are gonna finish the whole stuff I mentioned in the plan I just published. Once we do that, we'll decide what manga to review next. If you want One Piece we'll discuss that and choose a date when we'll do One Piece, agreed? ;)

[Josef K.]

Oh, sorry, but I read the previous post and the question of "We are reviewing One Piece this week right?" was answered with "No", of course this is a team and my personal preferences can not be the teams, but I was surprised that you would rule out reviewing One Piece just like that.

Again I am glad it will be a discussion where everyone can participate. Oh and about "new comers" doing the bonus section, I do not mind, I am more interested in the discussion in what to review, and give more things to review of people who like that manga more then the rest, example:

Someone is really fond of Naruto, or liked that week's chapter, he should get the chance to express more of his views in the review. Just my opinion.

[alphabeta]

The tricky part is that we have to decide beforehand what manga to review. We can't just wait for a new chapter of Naruto/Bleach/OP and if we thinks it's cool make a review. That's why I said that we are going to review OP sooner or later.

Actually, and this goes for everyone now. Since there are 10 reviewers, my plan is to create 2 teams of 5 reviewers who will work indepently, what will allow us to double the amount of reviews we release. Also, I haven't decided this yet, but I thought that one team will do a series on a constant basis (e.g. OP) and the other might switch with every new review. And speaking about your case you might be the in the team who will review OP on a constant basis. Well, I'm not sure yet, this is all still in the discussion phase.

[Josef K.]

Exactly what I want! A discussion, that is why I started with ideas, brainstorming, if you will. :)

So yeah to go in dept with my idea, and from what you said, let's decide after the manga is out, meaning, beforehand we only decide what we are aiming for, like "Ok, we will all read that chapter next week and in a few days after we will decide who will review it." Opinions of the chapter vary, I did not like it, you did, the one to review it is you, rather then me ranting things I did not like and stuff, you can be more calm in the review and touch topics I might have missed.

As for who reviews what it should be individual and those 5 should really be a "hardcore" group of fans to really like reviewing only that manga constantly. We need volunteers for that.

[dark lord]

For starters, I'm really grateful for being a part of this wonderful project. I hope that this experience can be enjoyable as well as educative.

My timezone is GMT by the way.

[alphabeta]

@Josef
I really appreciate your enthuisasm, and thanks to you I added a new question (C6) we need to discuss, but like I mentioned I would like to finish the questions in chronological order and not jump from one to another. Thanks, but we'll discuss what manga to review at the very end, once we discussed all the other stuff.

@DL
You're praising this project too much :wub

And GMT... like just GMT... GMT 0?

[dark lord]

@DL
You're praising this project too much :wub

And GMT... like just GMT... GMT 0?

yes GMT casablanca, lisbonne...

[alphabeta]

Well, guys, why don't you two start telling me your thoughts about questions A1 and A2, and the other rest? ;)

---------- Post added at 11:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:30 PM ----------

This thread died the moment I suggested to start working :fail

[dark lord]

This thread died the moment I suggested to start working :fail

Don't worry, I'm planning on being very active here. You'll get bored of me. :p

[Josef K.]

I would not go too much into spreading out the review, keep it simple and interesting, have some sections be there always, as for others change them depending on the chapter or manga that we review.

[Googlez_kun]

Well,we should have a small summary section and when I say small,then I mean very short.Most people read the chapter already,so they don't need a rehash.What you can do,or rather what some reviewers do is to mingle thoughts with a (longer) summary.

A Theory section is also a must-have.You don't need to make one every single time,as it would be plain dumb to make far-fetched and stupid theories for the sake of having some,but you can always give some food for thought.It will spark discussions and make people think.

Then you should add an Impressions section and an Art section.They often are the most interesting parts.

Also,you can add a prediction section and a poll with ratings and/or different stuff like "Did you like the color page","What is your favourite new chara design?","Which character do you want to see next?".

Most of this sounds very obvious,but I thought it should be stated anyway.

[blackjack612]

A1-A5, B1. I think a summary and impressions/overview section are the basics and anything else should be on a case by case basis, like what the reviewers feel would add to the discussion of a chapter. If you do split up teams and have an OP and other team, then the OP structure will probably be more consistent. As for splitting sections, with enough reviewers, I think any section could conceivably be split in two. For summary, this could be an equal split, or if the reviewers decide that the chapter has a separation between two scenes or parts (like this week's Bleach) then split it by part so that the transition between reviewers matches up with a transition between scenes being reviewed. I think 3 reviewers max per section should be more than enough, although the overview/impressions could have more to wrapup the thoughts on the chapter if each contribution was short enough or the chapter had enough content to warrant a back and forth discussion.

B2-B3. I don't know if we should have guidelines for this. I think it's better that everyone has a specific style than to get everyone to fit a certain style.

B4. If someone is designated as the editor of the joint review and wants to volunteer for that duty, than that reviewer could give the draft a once over, fix sp errors, and perhaps improve section to section transitions with a sentence or phrase. That said, this is a joint review, so I think the readers will expect that there will be a differing styles represented in different sections. To that end, perhaps we should note the writer of a section at it's end, so like after a ReveiwerA's half of a summary, put /ReviewerA at the end of his last sentence.

C1. I actually don't know if I can take a consistent position. I got a job :super and start it next week so I won't know yet how much time per week I'll have to devote to reviewing, and as a programmer, that time won't be consistent (during crunchtime). So I'll tentatively contribute when I can on series I'm familiar with (OP, Bleach, Naruto, Vagabond, Gantz, Air Gear, DGM, Billy Bat).

C2. (see B4) I figure that the Boss will be the Editor of the review and responsible for the final editing, the posting of the review and talking with all the reviewers to finalize a review structure.

C3. Let them write. Many of us reviewers are often on, so they can message us if they have questions or want tips. Similarly, if we use Google Docs, those show live editing, so any newcomers with questions could be able to watch in real time how another reviewer puts together their section. For example, if I was on, you'd probably see me lay out the structure of what I'm going to write, add images, write a first draft, edited sentences inline when I have a better phrasing, frequently change a paragraph as I write it, finish a draft, and edit the draft as a whole. Everyone has their own style and so watching one of the more experienced reviewers like underscore, bene, or alpha might give you an idea of how to start. Ideas/questions can also be added to the review by using comments (ctrl+alt+m or from the toolbar) in google docs that will add a note on the side that isn't actually part of the document.


C4. The Editor should probably keep track of the document and make a backup google doc (copy paste into a new doc or save to pdf/doc occasionally and reupload if original deleted). Google Docs may have some kind of reversion/backup built in.

C5. Again, comments (ctrl+alt+m) in a google doc at the end of a section to help the editor know when the section was finished, if it was edited, and if it's done.

C6. From reviewer interest. If enough people want to do a review, it'll probably get made.

Later and sorry for the long winded post :sweatdrop

[dark lord]

I thought I should add something:

- Format

A1-What and how many sections should be in a review?


Judging by how much people pay attention to reviews here on mangahelpers, I'd say the less the better.


A3-What is the maximum amount of reviewers for every precise sections?

You can't have too many. A set of brains would outperform just one.


A4-In what order should we make the respective sections?

Order is not a problem if all of them are awesome. I'd wanna read it to the letter if its funny and intriguing


A5-Should we make one fixated format for all reviews, or a specific one for every different manga?

Diversification and creativity is a must here.




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- Content


B2-How big should be a section? How many paragraphs should it have?

I'd say about 300 words max broken down to smaller paragraphs.


B3-How much humor/jokes should we put into our review?

You can't have enough of those. The more the better. And while you're at it, make them interesting.


B4-How to link the content of our respective sections? How to make the review seem more like a whole thing, and not just a bunch of text from 5 different people?

Every single section should be as unique and awesome as the previous one. There is your link: "awesome"




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- Organization


C3-What to do with the newcomers and how to involve them in our review?

Make them proofread or edit. Pay attention to the style and the flow of the sentences.


C6-How do we choose the manga we are going to review?


Oh yeah. Its better to choose chapter that are already epic and possibly cliffhangers since people are heated up and looking for second opinions on the chapter. We'll be there!



This is just my humble opinion!

[alphabeta]

A1-A5, B1. I think a summary and impressions/overview section are the basics and anything else should be on a case by case basis, like what the reviewers feel would add to the discussion of a chapter. If you do split up teams and have an OP and other team, then the OP structure will probably be more consistent. As for splitting sections, with enough reviewers, I think any section could conceivably be split in two. For summary, this could be an equal split, or if the reviewers decide that the chapter has a separation between two scenes or parts (like this week's Bleach) then split it by part so that the transition between reviewers matches up with a transition between scenes being reviewed. I think 3 reviewers max per section should be more than enough, although the overview/impressions could have more to wrapup the thoughts on the chapter if each contribution was short enough or the chapter had enough content to warrant a back and forth discussion.




I had similiar thoughts. Like mentioned above, a review has three basic sections. Summary, Overview and Predictions. Fine, but let's not forget your strong point - Art Corner ;). That's already 4. And of course Bonus section. I didn't recruit Writers/Artists for nothing. I'd say that these 5 are must-have sections, that every JR will feature. The only thing that's left are "Small Summary", "Character Spotlight" and "P.S.". Personally I can live without Small Summary and P.S., but I think we should make Character Spotlight a permanent section too.





B2-B3. I don't know if we should have guidelines for this. I think it's better that everyone has a specific style than to get everyone to fit a certain style.

B4. If someone is designated as the editor of the joint review and wants to volunteer for that duty, than that reviewer could give the draft a once over, fix sp errors, and perhaps improve section to section transitions with a sentence or phrase. That said, this is a joint review, so I think the readers will expect that there will be a differing styles represented in different sections. To that end, perhaps we should note the writer of a section at it's end, so like after a ReveiwerA's half of a summary, put /ReviewerA at the end of his last sentence.

I'm not saying that we should make absolute strict laws, but a certain "direction" wouldn't hurt. Best case scenario would be if we'd choose a specific amount of paragraphs and choose what to write in what paragraph, but I suppose that's asking too much.

And I like the idea about the editor making transitions. We'll have to discuss that more detailed later. However, I'm against this /ReviewerA-stuff. I think that will only interupt the "flow" of the review, the reader will constantly see /ReviewerX; /ReviewerU. We can make a credits section, where we can list down who wrote what if we want to.




C1. I actually don't know if I can take a consistent position. I got a job :super and start it next week so I won't know yet how much time per week I'll have to devote to reviewing, and as a programmer, that time won't be consistent (during crunchtime). So I'll tentatively contribute when I can on series I'm familiar with (OP, Bleach, Naruto, Vagabond, Gantz, Air Gear, DGM, Billy Bat).

C2. (see B4) I figure that the Boss will be the Editor of the review and responsible for the final editing, the posting of the review and talking with all the reviewers to finalize a review structure.

About C1. I suppose I should rephrase the question. I meant that who is responsible for the specific sections in our review, not the MH Forum sections. And :gwah @ you not being able to contribute to our reviews... Joking ;)

Basically I agree with what you said about the Editor, however there are a few things, like the posting of the review, that have to be discussed more detailed.




C3. Let them write. Many of us reviewers are often on, so they can message us if they have questions or want tips. Similarly, if we use Google Docs, those show live editing, so any newcomers with questions could be able to watch in real time how another reviewer puts together their section. For example, if I was on, you'd probably see me lay out the structure of what I'm going to write, add images, write a first draft, edited sentences inline when I have a better phrasing, frequently change a paragraph as I write it, finish a draft, and edit the draft as a whole. Everyone has their own style and so watching one of the more experienced reviewers like underscore, bene, or alpha might give you an idea of how to start. Ideas/questions can also be added to the review by using comments (ctrl+alt+m or from the toolbar) in google docs that will add a note on the side that isn't actually part of the document.



I couldn't have said it better :crying

Or maybe I could? :3c

Still, I think, that learning-by-watching is not the same as learning-by-doing. I plan on giving them respective sections in our JR from the get-go, not in 10 weeks, when they've lost all interest in this Alliance. Though, this topic needs to be discussed more detailed <----- I'm writing this sentence too often :fail




C4. The Editor should probably keep track of the document and make a backup google doc (copy paste into a new doc or save to pdf/doc occasionally and reupload if original deleted). Google Docs may have some kind of reversion/backup built in.

C5. Again, comments (ctrl+alt+m) in a google doc at the end of a section to help the editor know when the section was finished, if it was edited, and if it's done.

C6. From reviewer interest. If enough people want to do a review, it'll probably get made.


C4/C5. I thought of doing it like this. First we create something like a changelog at the end of our review. When someone writes something he makes a post in the changelog. And, this is a new rule. Whenever someone makes any changes, after he did them, he saves the file as a .doc/.pdf./.whatever, so that we always have a backup copy just in case.

C6. I have a big plan about this one. Will post it later :eyeroll


@DL
Sorry, bro, I'll answer your post later. I'm kinda busy atm :sweatdrop

[phio_chan]

About sections in the review, I'm quite confused of the review having 'short summary' and 'long summary'. I think 'long summary' is not needed. One reason has been stated before as readers might have read that chapter or series so we don't need to go in depth about that. A review's purpose, as long as I'm concerned, is to pique interest of those who haven't read the chapter or series yet. Instead, we can spare more time and ideas at another sections which could show the strong and weak points.

One question: are we specific of doing chapters, or would we do series as well? How are we going to divide it? I think it would be a great idea to have two different teams who would cover chapters and series, so we can give more input to the community. It can get unfair if one member sticks in chapters or series team only, so a change of team members once in a while can be put in between.

At this moment I can't write or read too much. I'll post more later, as waiting for my question to be answered before actually giving comments to the questions given at the post alpha made (so that I won't speak out of the context :P).

[alphabeta]

ALPHA IN DA HOUSE~

:maracas

Boys and girls, I am proud to announce that as of now RaveDragon (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/158318-RaveDragon) is also part of the Reviewer Alliance. Alongside yuki and phio she'll be writing in the Bonus Section.


WELCOME RAVE
:confetti

[blackjack612]

About sections in the review, I'm quite confused of the review having 'short summary' and 'long summary'. I think 'long summary' is not needed. One reason has been stated before as readers might have read that chapter or series so we don't need to go in depth about that. A review's purpose, as long as I'm concerned, is to pique interest of those who haven't read the chapter or series yet. Instead, we can spare more time and ideas at another sections which could show the strong and weak points.


There's an audience for both. Some readers prefer short reviews that just hit the highlights and others prefer longer reviewers that go ever everything. In general, reading a review would typically take longer than reading a short 17 page manga, or at least it does for me. So there is a segment of the audience out there also reads the reviews after reading a chapter because they're looking for insight, analysis, discussion of the events, or an alternate point of view to how they accessed the chapter. I think short and long overviews have their merits. The 'short' overview functions as a tl;dr so that those who are just there to gauge interest in a chapter could read that and skip ahead to whatever parts interest them. The 'long review' does offer more recap of the event but should also mix in some analysis. Things like: how this chapter ties into the current arc/past chapters, whether the chapter is repeating something the series does often or provides something new, the repercussions of current events in the series as they happen, questions that the chapter raise, and the unseen subtext of a chapter. And often there can be a lot of subtext when a chapter implies things through choice of words, facial expression, thematic juxtaposition rather than flat out saying them and some people don't catch it because they're not looking for it. I just wanted to offer an alternate point of view on the 'short' vs 'long' summary.

[kdowns]

- C1 How do we choose the reviewers who are responsible for the respective sections

You should let the Reviewers pick which section they want to review, with little to no moderation as that would be restricting on reviewing something they see themselves best fit for.

- C6 How do we choose the manga we are going to review?

It should be about the personal prefrence on the reviewer as if they were told to go review something they don't like, well I don't see it coming out as good as it should have.

[Josef K.]

C2 Who is the boss in a team and responsible for everything?

We should give everyone a chance to decide which manga does he like the most, we can compromise as long as there is no one left with a manga he does not like. That person should boss the series and part of the review he likes the most.

C3 What to do with the newcomers and how to involve them in our review?

Spread the word! By this I mean spread the reviewing! The more series we review the more members we need.

[alphabeta]

Guys, I appreciate your effort when answering all those questions, but please restraing from answering all the questions at the same time. I want you all to focus first on the Format section. Once that is finished we'll move on. However if Member A starts randomly picking questions from the Content Section, Member B answer 1 post from Member A and answers 3 questions from the Organazition section it'll result in chaos. So, let's finish the Format section first. Thanks. /Alpha

[Josef K.]

Side question to this:

Can we individually review the series that we will rule out here? I mean are we all going to do everything together or we can start something individually if it did not get the thumbs up here? Still being with the group for other projects, of course.

[alphabeta]

Side question to this:

Can we individually review the series that we will rule out here? I mean are we all going to do everything together or we can start something individually if it did not get the thumbs up here? Still being with the group for other projects, of course.

No, the moment you joined the Reviewer Alliance you forfeited all your individual human rights. You will do as I say. ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US! :yelling

[Josef K.]

No, the moment you joined the Reviewer Alliance you forfeited all your individual human rights. You will do as I say. ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US! :yelling

I kind of feel rebellious now, but we will see, hm ...

[kdowns]

Then again I didn't join as a Reviewer only as a Bonus Section writer :P

[RaveDragon]

Hello my current GMT is Current time zone offset: UTC/GMT +2 hours.

OH Fairy Tail got into a good arc lately it seems it ould be good to review that =D One piece is on the roll too

[benelori]

Side question to this:

Can we individually review the series that we will rule out here? I mean are we all going to do everything together or we can start something individually if it did not get the thumbs up here? Still being with the group for other projects, of course.

You can review anything you want of course...and still be part of Joint reviews...

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Guys, I appreciate your effort when answering all those questions, but please restraing from answering all the questions at the same time. I want you all to focus first on the Format section. Once that is finished we'll move on. However if Member A starts randomly picking questions from the Content Section, Member B answer 1 post from Member A and answers 3 questions from the Organazition section it'll result in chaos. So, let's finish the Format section first. Thanks. /Alpha

It won't result in chaos, because I am here to read every post and help with the administrative stuff, and organizing things into order...I was out a few days, but I will start working on reading the posts ASAP and edit the OP if necessary...until then...everyone should feel free to suggest and comment w/e...

It's not necessary for people to have ideas on the format...maybe some don't have ideas, yet they might have suggestions for different areas

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Hello my current GMT is Current time zone offset: UTC/GMT +2 hours.

OH Fairy Tail got into a good arc lately it seems it ould be good to review that =D One piece is on the roll too

I would go with OP first, because I'd like to give FT a bit of time until more developments come...

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- Format
- A1 What and how many sections should be in a review?
- A2 What should the sections be called?
- A3 What is the maximum amount of reviewers for every precise sections?
- A4 In what order should we make the respective sections?
- A5 Should we make one fixated format for all reviews, or a specific one for every different manga?


In my opinion the format should look like this:

1. Introduction and credits
2. Small summary
3. Plot - how does the plot develop and how is the chapter integrated into the overall plot of the manga
4. Characters - analyzing character development and character relations...I also love Jammin's character spotlight, so I think that should be added as well
5. Art corner - this is as important as all the others, since mangas are a visual form of art
6. Bonus w/e - I don't think this is very important, but it can be added for a lighter and friendlier feel
7. Final thoughts and predictions

Maximum amount of people should be 2 for each section in my opinion...though I don't think there's a need for maximum number of people, because every reviewer can have ideas concerning different sections of the review...more POVs will make the review a better one...
I think minimum number is more important, and I would stress that at least 4 people should participate, because there is a lot to write

Fix format is better for the start, until everyone gets used to the format, and to writing, then when teamwork is good, the sections can become more flexible

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- Content
- B1 If there are more than 2 reviewers working on one section, how should the section be spilled as to avoid repeats?
- B2 How big should be a section? How many paragraphs should it have?
- B3 How much humor/jokes should we put into our review?
- B4 How to link the content of our respective sections? How to make the review seem more like a whole thing, and not just a bunch of text from 5 different people?


If there are more people for one section, then they should be the ones to decide how to split up their respective contributions...best team work is to have smaller teams working together...divide et impera...but at least one person should be careful to connect their part to the entire review making it continuous...after the review is done, we can formulate objections, maybe suggest stuff how to make some of the edges smoother...

The length of the sections will automatically differ with each review, because not all chapter are the same...sometimes character development will be more proeminent, sometimes there will be just fights and awesome art etc...but I think a core theme of the chapter should be established each time, and we should build our thoughts around that core theme

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- Organization
[COLOR="red"]- C1 How do we choose the reviewers who are responsible for the respective sections ?

We talk to each other...maybe implement a rotation of some sort...we can add constraints to the rotation though...maybe someone would like to talk about characters if we write a Gantz review...basically express wishes, which should be posted


- C2 Who is the boss in a team and responsible for everything?

Nobody is the boss.
Everybody is free to add suggestions, we will discuss them, make some compromises, and then go ahead with what we decided.
As for responsibility: the only responsibility is to write quality stuff, when we work on the review.


- C3 What to do with the newcomers and how to involve them in our review?

Every new member should express their wishes, concerning the way they want to contribute...


- C4 Is there a way how to prevent accidently deleting the review?

Yes...we will create separate threads for the reviews that we will work upon.

People will post their parts, and I or the person who will start the thread will organize them according to the format we will decide upon...however that should be done only when there's a consent, in PM, either a note somewhere that the particular paragraph is final...after we put everything together, we will have the chance to fine tune...ideas or suggestions, even questions, regarding fine tuning and editing can be posted in that particular thread or PMs if you like...

Not even mentioning the fact that maybe some ideas expressed in one section could give a new point of view and ideas for writers of different sections


- C5 How to find out, whether someone did any changes?

If there are smaller teams on one section, then the members of that specific team should decide on how will they edit their own content...but again, the specific review thread is the perfect place to do it, even in separate posts if there's the need for clarity....


- C6 How do we choose the manga we are going to review?


We should suggest ideas...but not just one...more ideas the better, and the ones that will overlap would get to be chosen...but keep an eye out for potential plot twists and interesting developments in every manga you read, and feel free to suggest them...

I think we should incorporate different demographics and types...like adding a seinen or josei into the mix from time to time, not even mentioning manhwas, webtoons etc....for example if we decide and wrap up big 3 with OP next time we do a review, then I think we should switch to a seinen title, like Gantz maybe...then we could get back and write two shounen reviews like FT or Kenichi...then a shoujo or josei....you understand my point.

Also I think there's no restriction for doing two joint reviews a time, so we can always split up in two teams, and work on different stuff.

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Well,we should have a small summary section and when I say small,then I mean very short.Most people read the chapter already,so they don't need a rehash.What you can do,or rather what some reviewers do is to mingle thoughts with a (longer) summary.

A Theory section is also a must-have.You don't need to make one every single time,as it would be plain dumb to make far-fetched and stupid theories for the sake of having some,but you can always give some food for thought.It will spark discussions and make people think.

Then you should add an Impressions section and an Art section.They often are the most interesting parts.

Also,you can add a prediction section and a poll with ratings and/or different stuff like "Did you like the color page","What is your favourite new chara design?","Which character do you want to see next?".

Most of this sounds very obvious,but I thought it should be stated anyway.

I like the Theory one a lot, and from time to time, they go well with Predictions...so I think it should definitely be included...and a poll is almost a must in every review, with a subsequent poll discussion as well...
Impressions are pretty much the same thing as the Final thoughts, and we can add the Impressions of each individual reviewer if he or she wants it...

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Diversification and creativity is a must here.


I think in the end, we should decide on huge format, let's name it the Pool of Sections...and with each chapter that we want to review, we would choose the sections that we see fit

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About sections in the review, I'm quite confused of the review having 'short summary' and 'long summary'. I think 'long summary' is not needed. One reason has been stated before as readers might have read that chapter or series so we don't need to go in depth about that. A review's purpose, as long as I'm concerned, is to pique interest of those who haven't read the chapter or series yet. Instead, we can spare more time and ideas at another sections which could show the strong and weak points.

Agreed here...Long summary should be divided into smaller parts....


One question: are we specific of doing chapters, or would we do series as well? How are we going to divide it? I think it would be a great idea to have two different teams who would cover chapters and series, so we can give more input to the community. It can get unfair if one member sticks in chapters or series team only, so a change of team members once in a while can be put in between.


Everyone can pretty much write what they want, as many have said before, we should brainstorm then decide...the teams, if there will be teams, should be flexible...not just because one might not like a certain pick, but maybe because someone doesn't read it...

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Seeing what other people posted, I think this format is pretty much acceptable

1. Review intro, credits and previous poll discussion (having some ideas about the previous poll always connects well with the actual review
2. Small summary (connect with poll discussion and phrasing the core theme of the chapter, while presenting the chapter shortly)
3. Long summary (expanding on the core theme and following up with ideas, commentary and witty humor etc.)
3.1. Plot development and how the chapter fits in the overall plot
3.2. Character development, relationships, character spotlight
3.3. Art corner
4. Theory, predictions.
5. Bonus, final thoughts, impressions.

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Please comment:cheerbunny

[alphabeta]

I'll read bene's post more detailed later. But here's another suggestion for the format. Or actually for the Long Summary section, or however we will call it later. Basically we choose two people for it and they both get special roles. One is a super mega tard, and the other is a super mega hater. You get it. One is only praising all the good things in this chapter/arc while the other does nothing but bashing. That's to make the review more lively... :headscratch

[benelori]

I'll read bene's post more detailed later. But here's another suggestion for the format. Or actually for the Long Summary section, or however we will call it later. Basically we choose two people for it and they both get special roles. One is a super mega tard, and the other is a super mega hater. You get it. One is only praising all the good things in this chapter/arc while the other does nothing but bashing. That's to make the review more lively... :headscratch

That is an interesting idea...pointing out the bad stuff and the good stuff....but we still need to decide what to praise and what to criticise...

Anyway...I would incorporate this idea in the Impressions section...good impressions vs bad impressions...I think it could work

[kdowns]

Alpha, I can Write and Review. It isn't to much of a hassle to Write the Bonus Section while writing Reviews.

[benelori]

Alpha, I can Write and Review. It isn't to much of a hassle to Write the Bonus Section while writing Reviews.

And every contribution, either in Joint Review, either separate ones will be very much appreciated

[alphabeta]

There's another thing. We need to know what manga the respective reviewers read so that we can have a basic understanding of what reviewers we can use for what review. Therefore I suggest that every reviewer on our team creates an account at MaL. It goes without saying that that list will have to be updated on a steadily basis, but therefore we'd always see who reads what manga. It's still better then making a discussion everytime whenever we start a new review IMO.

[RaveDragon]

ALPHA IN DA HOUSE~

:maracas

Boys and girls, I am proud to announce that as of now RaveDragon (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/158318-RaveDragon) is also part of the Reviewer Alliance. Alongside yuki and phio she'll be writing in the Bonus Section.


WELCOME RAVE
:confetti

Thanks I'm glad to be here =D :bow




- Format
[COLOR="blue"]- A1 What and how many sections should be in a review?

The 9 sections listed above are fine although I think a short summary alone is best as a review shouldn't give too much information or maybe a combination of the short and long giving an adequately lengthened summary which would have everything a review needs to attract people to read the manga but not too much that they would feel they don't need to read it because they caught the gist of it already in the review, we need to give curiosity not too much info.

Bonus is a nice touch though, giving some pics maybe of exciting parts but not the best of the manga to attract even more attention to it and a personal note or opinion could help.



- A3 What is the maximum amount of reviewers for every precise sections?

There shouldn't be an overflow but backups for when a reviewer an/or writer is sick/absent due to life reasons etc or just AWOL due to comp problems to facilitate things should be considered.


- A5 Should we make one fixated format for all reviews, or a specific one for every different manga?

This would be nice but particularly hard to do maybe if we just did it for very popular mangas? and then had specific sections for others such as the 'Rising stars' or normal ones.


- Content
[ B1 If there are more than 2 reviewers working on one section, how should the section be spilled as to avoid repeats?

Maybe the last reviewer could take it upon himself to put everything together or the selected writer for the team could be sent the material by PM and he could work on that himself and the final script should then be accepted by all of them.


- B2 How big should be a section? How many paragraphs should it have?

For a review i think short, so we shouldn't repeat ourselves an get to the point quickly so around 1-2 paragraphs or 3 short paragraphs.


- B3 How much humor/jokes should we put into our review?

Reading book reviews and such from newspapers I would say once in a while when the prospect comes or not at all. It's better if we have a good joke at the right time rather than a bad one when not needed plus we should try to avoid jokes against the chapter which tend to be cruel since for some people a certain event in the manga could be liked


- B4 How to link the content of our respective sections? How to make the review seem more like a whole thing, and not just a bunch of text from 5 different people?


Once again having one of the writers putting it together and cutting the unnecessary or rather the repeated and then having all the members read and judge i as a whole would help.

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Organization
[COLOR="red"]- C1 How do we choose the reviewers who are responsible for the respective sections ?

It's best to know what they read and if they're up to date with the manga, asking them if they and giving them options of what they could review is also a good idea with the most responsible reviewers and writers.



- C4 Is there a way how to prevent accidentally deleting the review?

Probably the best thing is to save it (ie the team working on it or maybe the boss) somewhere so if its deleted it can be re posted


- C5 How to find out, whether someone did any changes?

Best thing is always keeping your work and then when the final reading is done what is changed can be found and can be changed back if not to the liking. I think who changes things should tell us and also give a plausible reason so not to have trouble.



- C7 Where will we write the actual review? Google Docs or MH?

I think it's easier to keep everything on MH


- C8 What is the deadline for the finished Review? 48 or 72 hours?


it depends on the day, if its in the week I'm guessing a lot of us have work and school so 72 hours would be best, weekend 48 hours should suffice.

[The Underscore]

Geez, you miss out a couple of days and suddenly you're behind two and a half pages of posts :sweatdrop.

First off, welcome to the new members of the alliance :super.

Second. From what I got from quickly glancing at the thread we're looking for how to organize the reviews? Might as well put it all in spoilers then :amuse. Mind you, it's just a quick set up based on what I got from glancing at the other posts here.

Format
For the reviews' format. I have my tried and trialled set up, though that doesn't exactly work for this alliance. The sections I'd like to use (considering that we're doing this as a group) are the following:

Introduction (you know, to set the mood for the review or just to get out a little rant :amuse)
Small summary (so people know what we're on about but in case they don't want a rehash of the chapter)
Large summary (there are people who enjoy it when we point out certain details other people could have missed)
Overview (give some conclusions concerning the chapter that has been reviewed)
Discussion(This is where this alliance really could shine. Actually discuss some content. Sadly, I hardly have time to participate in active discussions, but that doesn't mean we can't try!)
Art Corner (something I never really get into because I review Bleach which is generally the best looking manga around right now :eyeroll, still, can be interesting to look at)
Bonus (including predictions) (let everyone give a rating to the chapter, their bonus content, and give a prediction)

The number of reviewers per section could be as follows (see the sections above for the order):
1-1- depends on the chapter's content 2 to 4- 1- at least 3, max of 5- 2 to 3 (for discussion and exchange of impressions)- the contributors + those who didn't contribute (max of 10 maybe...)

Whatever we choose, I'd prefer to have most sections remain the same. Perhaps one section rotating per chapter we review. This way we won't have to figure out what to do every time :amuse.


Content
My being a major ranter, I can't really say we should keep things short :eyeroll. Per section (save for the larger summary) we could have around 400 words (give or take 100). Dunno, I just write and see where I end :sweatdrop.

Jokes/humor in a review... I'm not that funny :amuse

Linking the sections can be done using headers like I do in my reviews?

Organization
Choosing the title/chapter to review could be done using both a poll and the title's current setting. For example, Fairy Tail should be getting interesting for the upcoming weeks, One Piece is heading to the arc's conclusion and so on. Perhaps if we each get to pick 2 titles a couple of weeks (2) in advance?

If we can let each other know our availability during the week where we review a title we can split tasks amongst each other. Right? I know I'm often pressed for time, so it could help if I knew in advance when we intend to post the review and who is responsible for what section.

Also, it's a good idea to have someone responsible for quality checking as it were. Be it a (rotating) leader of the group of reviewers or whatnot.

[alphabeta]

I suggest finally making decisions and not only brainstroming. For question A1 I suggest this. If everyone agrees, I'll change it to green.

0. Poll
Once the chapter comes out a poll is chosen by team decision.

1. Review Intro
Someone (Writer/Team Leader) writes the introduction to the actual review. Banner is posted here. No Poll results. We're constantly changing the manga we're reviewing, remember?

2. Small Summary
Small recap of the chapter. I mean small. One paragraph. Written by one person

3. Long Summary
The main part of the review. Always written by at least two people. The small things that people miss when reading a chapter are pointed out here. Place for the individual reviewers to tell what they think about the respective moments in the chapter. Good Reviewer, Bad Reviewer, etc.

4. Overview/Analysis
Devided into two main sub-sections. Plot and Characters. Focuses on interpretating what the mangaka wanted to say with this chapter. Like a deep underneath the underneath analysis. Can be written by one or two people.

5. Character Spotlight
Focuses on a single character in the chapter and his importance to the overall feeling/chapter/arc/manga. Has something of a bonus feeling. Written by one person.

6. Art Corner
If terms like speedlines and screentones are unfamiliar and new to your lexicon then this section is not for you. Leave it to the people with more confidence. Written by one person.

7. Predictions
Written by one person. It'll be HELL if two people try to write this together. Exception is, if one makes short term predictions and the other long term one's.

8. Bonus
Art and Story. Can be both related and unrelated to the chapter we're reviewing. Read my stand-alone post for more info.

9. Good Bye Section
Everyone who participated in the review says their final words commenting either the chapter or the review or the weather outside their window. It's their screentime.

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About the Bonus Section. My plan is like this. There will be 2 types of works. The first group is the one where the content is created before the chapter comes out. That's what I meant by writing/drawing something unrelated to the chapter. You can already start doing it now, and send it to me once you finish. I'll stock it up, and once we start our next Review we'll already have a pile of pieces we can use.

The second group is the one where pieces are created after the chapter comes out. Logically, they are smaller in text/detail, but therefore they have some connection to the chapter. e.g. if the chapter were focused on Madara's mask, we could make a coloring of his mask, and a fanfic on who's hiding behind it. You get what I mean.

[benelori]

My only observation is that the Long Summary is a bit vague as a term...that's why I suggested to break down the Long summary into multiple sections...and when stuff like Character Spotlight and Art Corner are separated from the long summary then, the long summary just becomes a lengthier version of the small summary...so it's a bit redundant IMO...not even mentioning that analysis can be done within the long summary...

But this is not really an objection...because we can definitely fine tune and rearrange content so that we can separate these sections...the objection came in, when I read this...written by only one person...reviewers who think that can contribute to the art section are welcome and encouraged to post their opinions, so that they can be incorporated into the review

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The 9 sections listed above are fine although I think a short summary alone is best as a review shouldn't give too much information or maybe a combination of the short and long giving an adequately lengthened summary which would have everything a review needs to attract people to read the manga but not too much that they would feel they don't need to read it because they caught the gist of it already in the review, we need to give curiosity not too much info.


This idea really depends on what we want to do with our reviews...analyze and comment on a chapter for fans? or bringing new fans?...from my experience the readers of the review are fans, who don't want to read long summaries

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I suggest finally making decisions and not only brainstroming. For question A1 I suggest this. If everyone agrees, I'll change it to green.

For that we need to hear the thoughts of the others...or at least some of them...or comment on the suggestions so far

[Shinsatsu]

This time I came here right away.
yoroshiku onegaishimasu!

[alphabeta]

My only observation is that the Long Summary is a bit vague as a term...that's why I suggested to break down the Long summary into multiple sections...and when stuff like Character Spotlight and Art Corner are separated from the long summary then, the long summary just becomes a lengthier version of the small summary...so it's a bit redundant IMO...not even mentioning that analysis can be done within the long summary...

But this is not really an objection...because we can definitely fine tune and rearrange content so that we can separate these sections...the objection came in, when I read this...written by only one person...reviewers who think that can contribute to the art section are welcome and encouraged to post their opinions, so that they can be incorporated into the review

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This idea really depends on what we want to do with our reviews...analyze and comment on a chapter for fans? or bringing new fans?...from my experience the readers of the review are fans, who don't want to read long summaries

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For that we need to hear the thoughts of the others...or at least some of them...or comment on the suggestions so far

O.K. Let's hear some thoughts on how to improve the Long Summary. Truth be told, I'm actually kinda without ideas on how to change it :sweat

However, I stay by my opinion that the art section should be written by one person. To rephrase that, the one person writes this section as he sees it, and after he's done everyone else can add something on top. However that's called editing and not writing. The main part lies on that one person.

And also, I do appreciate in-depth discussion on the theory of reviews and etc, however we can't spend 10 weeks discussing this thing as well. Let's speed it up a little ;)

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This time I came here right away.
yoroshiku onegaishimasu!

UR timezone? :police

[Shinsatsu]

UR timezone? :police
GMT.

[benelori]

O.K. Let's hear some thoughts on how to improve the Long Summary. Truth be told, I'm actually kinda without ideas on how to change it :sweat

However, I stay by my opinion that the art section should be written by one person. To rephrase that, the one person writes this section as he sees it, and after he's done everyone else can add something on top. However that's called editing and not writing. The main part lies on that one person.

And also, I do appreciate in-depth discussion on the theory of reviews and etc, however we can't spend 10 weeks discussing this thing as well. Let's speed it up a little ;)


My improvement of the long summary was posted a few posts before, see that and tell me what you think about it...

And I don't really understand the idea with the art section...if two people want to write about art, they should and then they will merge it together....no big deal

[The Underscore]

Let's see, the review set-up... OK, here's what crossed my mind while studying it carefully ;).

0. Poll
I suppose the poll will be about something in the chapter?

1. Review Intro
Team leader writing the intro would the most obvious choice. No qualms about what alpha said here ;)

2. Small Summary
Exactly what I imagined it would be, I agree with this as well!

3. Long Summary
For this part of the review, I believe we should check the chapter's content before deciding how many people we put on this. Personally I feel a third person could be added to this part of the review if the chapter has enough content. But a minimum of 2 reviewers is something I agree with.

4. Overview/Analysis
If we are to use this as alpha suggested, I'd say we could go for 2 reviewers. One for characters, one for plot.

5. Character Spotlight
I'm not sure whether this will work on a regular basis for these joint reviews. Let's face it, we'll be doing most reviews once a title gets interesting. Titles tend to be interesting once (one of) the main character(s) does something awesome/conclusive for the arc, meaning this character has to be put in the spotlight. Then again, we could always cover the antagonist in this section. The easiest way to work with this section would have to be one person writing it. But some discussion about the character could be fun...

6. Art Corner
Guess this section isn't necessarily for me to cover if you put it in these terms :amuse. One person doing this part would work.

7. Predictions
One person doing this should be enough. It's not like you can just stick to a short or long term prediction once you're doing this. Writing with two people would be a bit troublesome unless you add "what we would like to see" where two people can discuss why they would(n't) like to see something happen in the story.

8. Bonus
So dirty limericks are good too? If only I knew how to do limericks... :amuse

9. Good Bye Section
This, I can live with :)

What I (of all people) would like to know is what your thoughts are on the amount of text per section. Though this can wait for later I guess. Still (in spoiler text), here's my thought on this matter:


(Each number coincides with the section described earlier, of course)
0: none, obviously :amuse
1: Max of 200 words
2: Max of 200 words
3: Depends on the chapter and title. I'd say around 1400 words with a minimum of 800 and a maximum of 2000
4: Max of 300 words
5: Max of 250 words (I never do this, so I don't know if this is reasonable)
6: Max of 250 words (again, not up my alley)
7: Max of 200 words
8: With this being random, I can't give an estimate :amuse
9: Max of 100 per reviewer?

Total: around 3300 words

This is quite a lot, considering I average at around 2700 with my own reviews and they're generally received as long :sweatdrop. Then again, I have 7 sections in my review and I always rant on and on :eyeroll. So with 2 more sections in these reviews, 3300 isn't that bad an average?

[Josef K.]

I think the overall feel to the review does not have to be serious, I mean if we review shounen manga, the weekly ones and their chapters they often have humor, let the review fit the chapter, I am not talking about any section specifically just the overall aesthetic appeal to the reader.

[alphabeta]

Funny, how this thread dies if I don't make a post from time to time :XD

Understand the secret meaning behind these words :police

Anyway, the way I see it, the problem is that Long Summary the way it is now is just a long text script of the chapter. I agree, that's BS, and that's why I suggest that we simply combine Long Summary and Overview and create a new section. Like... Long Overview... O.K. we can come up with a name later >_<.

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By the way, I totally kinda forgot to remind you about this little thing called Community Awards. Today/tommorow (depending on UR timezone) is UR last chance to cast UR votes. :thumbs

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Also, I've done a small list of suggestions for the other questions. Tell me what you think about them.


You have to understand that these number are not absolute. Their purpose is to make writing Joint Reviews easier. No one said, that it's forbidden to make a Art section with 4 people. If you can manage that, then that's even better. ;)

Review Intro - 1
Short Summary - 1
Long Overview - 2
Character Spotlight - 1
Art corner - 1 (They're not absolute :police)
Predictions - 1
Bonus - ∞
GBS - amount of reviewer.


Fixated. Well, we can add/remove one section depending on the situation but the basic format is fixated.

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added poll. :worship2

What Manga shoud we review next? Bene, change it, please :scry

[benelori]

Anyway, the way I see it, the problem is that Long Summary the way it is now is just a long text script of the chapter. I agree, that's BS, and that's why I suggest that we simply combine Long Summary and Overview and create a new section. Like... Long Overview... O.K. we can come up with a name later >_<.


That is indeed the problem...and what you propose in the long overview or chapter analysis or w/e it's called is basically the same thing I proposed...because the overview analyzes the chapter...and the main points of an analysis are always characters, plot and art...

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Regarding A3, as I said earlier a minimum of 2 people should be there for each section...

[alphabeta]

Regarding A3, as I said earlier a minimum of 2 people should be there for each section...

How do you imagine 2 people writing the predictions? They'll constantly repeat what the other already said. And what is the point in 2 people writing the one-paragraph Short Summary?

[scav]

yo, i'm back.
well not yet but i'll be back soon :p
lot of peeps joined, nice.

[alphabeta]

Off-topic. I suggest making a Liar Game Joint Review for it's comeback. What do you think about this?

[kdowns]

Is 129 about to be released.? Because 128 was released a long long long time ago but took a bit to get scanlated.

[benelori]

How do you imagine 2 people writing the predictions? They'll constantly repeat what the other already said. And what is the point in 2 people writing the one-paragraph Short Summary?

I agree about the short summary...but the predictions...if they have different predictions then they will write different ones...if they have the same predictions, then they will write that single one...once...when two people would work together, they would really have to work together, not writing separate things and then just putting them one after the other...at least that's how I imagined teamwork, how I imagined people would work when their parts are openly posted in a thread

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Off-topic. I suggest making a Liar Game Joint Review for it's comeback. What do you think about this?

I think we should wait to see if it's regular again...until then the poll works

[alphabeta]

I agree about the short summary...but the predictions...if they have different predictions then they will write different ones...if they have the same predictions, then they will write that single one...once...when two people would work together, they would really have to work together, not writing separate things and then just putting them one after the other...at least that's how I imagined teamwork, how I imagined people would work when their parts are openly posted in a thread


It is possible to discuss beforehand between two reviewers what they want to write, but the problem is that due to the different timezones, it's impossible to create such a platform for them to discuss. We can't wait 3 days for 2 people to agree on something and then wait another 3 days to write it.


Basically, we need to discuss who will write what before the chapter comes out. Not after.

---------- Post added at 02:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:12 PM ----------

Guess what?

The Best Reviewer Results are out. Now, let me tell you the results. :toc

First of all, the 3rd place is a tie between...

LoneLobo and benelori

"Mr. Expect-a-Review-when-I-feel-like-it-:hip"

and

"Mr. :lolo"


Congratulations, guys
:confetti

The 2nd place goes to...

Gold Knight

"The rikodou sennin of reviews"

O.K. I don't know him, but still, congratz :party

And of course... the main event of this whole thing... the Nr. 1 Reviewer around MH is...


THE UNDERSCORE


Congratulations, Underscore

:turtle :dancin :bbb :confetti :bbb :dancin :turtle

[benelori]

Before the chapter comes out? How do you imagine that? These days for example, nobody could write a decent prediction in Naruto without having read the chapter first

[scav]

just finished to catch up with OP, i gotta say one piece is kinda a mess recently, chapters were boring :XD
for liar game i never read it

[alphabeta]

Before the chapter comes out? How do you imagine that? These days for example, nobody could write a decent prediction in Naruto without having read the chapter first

Fine, Fine, Fine. I give up. Let's do it like this. There is no maximum amount of reviewers, we just decide who writes what, then those respective people write a whole section, and then someone (team leader?) puts them together. Agreed?

[RaveDragon]

Fine, Fine, Fine. I give up. Let's do it like this. There is no maximum amount of reviewers, we just decide who writes what, then those respective people write a whole section, and then someone (team leader?) puts them together. Agreed?

That seems fine to me ^^

[LoneLobo]

@alphabeta: Thanks. And I kinda like the title "Mr. Expect-a-Review-when-I-feel-like-it" =P

@benelori and Underscore: Congratulations from me as well =)


There is no maximum amount of reviewers, we just decide who writes what, then those respective people write a whole section, and then someone (team leader?) puts them together. Agreed?

I think this could work for the best in the end.

[benelori]

Fine, Fine, Fine. I give up. Let's do it like this. There is no maximum amount of reviewers, we just decide who writes what, then those respective people write a whole section, and then someone (team leader?) puts them together. Agreed?

But that's what I said as well:oh

Of course with the mentioning that I disagree with the term of team leader...but in the essence yes...let the people working on different section decide what to put forward

[alphabeta]

But that's what I said as well:oh

Of course with the mentioning that I disagree with the term of team leader...but in the essence yes...let the people working on different section decide what to put forward

'kay, what do you suggest instead of "team leader"?

[RaveDragon]

'kay, what do you suggest instead of "team leader"?

Supreme overlord :derp

aside from jokes, he could be the 'final editor' or something like that

[Josef K.]

He could be called quality checker or "Lector", when someone writes a book and it's finished the lector is the last person to review it and check it for mistakes and such, that should be that persons job, as well as quality overview.

[alphabeta]

If you guys have a problem with the terminology, then that's a whole other case.

Heck, "Editor" is probably the best thing we could come up with. Or, well, "Supreme Overlord" is a good idea as well :XD

Anyway, everyone agrees on "Editor"?

[Josef K.]

I guess editor is the correct English word that I had in mind, perhaps "Lector" is more suited to my language. Since the editor is the one that checks things in the end I guess it is ok by me. :)

[RaveDragon]

If you guys have a problem with the terminology, then that's a whole other case.

Heck, "Editor" is probably the best thing we could come up with. Or, well, "Supreme Overlord" is a good idea as well :XD

Anyway, everyone agrees on "Editor"?

Happy to help out :hurr

[The Underscore]

Well, if we have to give an "editor" title to the "team leader", we should give that person the title of "J. Jonah Jameson"! :p
But Editor is good too :amuse.

Anyways, I'm curious about one thing. When's the next joint review going to be? This being week 41, we could go for week 44 or something? That way we have some time to get in the votes for this current poll, give people time to read up on the title where necessary, and whatever it is we need to do before getting the show on the road? :eyeroll

Or am I just being too hasty here? :sweatdrop

[alphabeta]

Well, if we have to give an "editor" title to the "team leader", we should give that person the title of "J. Jonah Jameson"! :p
But Editor is good too :amuse.

Anyways, I'm curious about one thing. When's the next joint review going to be? This being week 41, we could go for week 44 or something? That way we have some time to get in the votes for this current poll, give people time to read up on the title where necessary, and whatever it is we need to do before getting the show on the road? :eyeroll

Or am I just being too hasty here? :sweatdrop

I gave up on making a deadline for this thread a long time ago. We'll just go with the flow and once we finish all the question's we'll start doing reviews... *Sigh* :notrust

[Jammin]

I gave up on making a deadline for this thread a long time ago. We'll just go with the flow and once we finish all the question's we'll start doing reviews... *Sigh* :notrust My lack of recent participation can be blamed entirely on "Dark Souls". Turning most of my free time into an exercise in video-game masochism. It's frustrating, infuriating, and generally unpleasant but.... for some reason that just makes me want to play it more. Like beating it would function as some kind of retribution against the game that sadistically torments me so.

I don't just want to beat it at this point. I NEED to beat it!http://www.laymark.com/i/o/48.gif

[alphabeta]

Fine, I'll take this silence as the fact that everyone who wanted to say something did it, and now we can move onto the next step. But before we do that, let's take a look at the poll. If we assume that we will have 2 teams doing reviews our schedule will look like this.

Team A

One Piece Joint Review
Hunter x Hunter Joint Review



Team B

Fairy Tail Joint Review



We'll decide on Team B's other Joint Review after I update the poll. And finally I can give out some tasks.

@ at all the writers/artists
For starters we will need a OP/FT banner. This goes at coffee/shin. Then we will need some fanart for both of these series. This one's at googz. And last but not least we need something like a fanfic about pirates/mages. If anyone of the writers feels like doing it please say it here.

I'll update the OP with a list of to do stuff, so make sure to check it out from time to time. ;)

[The Underscore]

Aye Cap'n! ;)

[Googlez_kun]

One fanart each is enough right?

[alphabeta]

One fanart each is enough right?

sure :sweatdrop

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Reviewer Alliance News Update #1

I think revivng these news updates isn't a bad idea. Now then let's start. Aside from writing RA-related news I'll also update you on the current stand of published reviews here on MH.

As you have noticed, I added a "Tasks" section in the OP. It's still pretty much empty, but don't think this will stay this way :police. Next, we've got a basic understanding of what manga we'll review next. Now onto the actual reviews.


History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/23949-History-s-Strongest-Disciple-Kenichi?p=2633351#post2633351) (Manga Review) by alphabeta
Bakuman 149 Review (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/72839-Bakuman-149-review-by-Kdowns%21-3) by Kdowns
Bakuman 151 Review (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/73130-alphabeta-s-review-of-Bakuman-151-Zombies-and-Demons) by alphabeta
Bleach 469 Review (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/73175-The-Underscore-s-Bleach-review-469-RAG-LAG-RUMBLE) by The Underscore
Naruto 560 Review (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/73195-The-Underscore-s-Naruto-review-560-Uchiha-Madara) by The Underscore
Naruto 560 Review (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/73142-Naruto-560-Review) by otomo20
Naruto 560 Review (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/73177-Uchiha-Madara-Ch.560) by Alterno
Claymore 119 Review (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/72876-Claymore-119-The-Hatreds-Cause-And-Effect-Review?highlight=) by Super Angilis
Noblesse 206 Review (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/73123-Noblesse-Chapter-206-Review?highlight=) by Jammin
Hunter x Hunter 321 Review (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/73183-LoneLobo-s-Hunter-X-Hunter-Review-Chapter-321?highlight=) by LoneLobo
The Breaker 45/46/47 (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/73086-The-breaker-chapters-45-46-47-review-by-scav?highlight=) Review by scav



And who do I see here... Just who do I see here? :toc

Ladies and Gentlemen, allow me to re-introduce a reviewer to our Reviewer Alliance. Please welcome with me otomo20



Welcome back, otomo
:confetti




I also happen to see 2 new names I haven't heard before. /off to recruit them :ninja

Yeah, before I forget. Make sure to check out some of the reviews mentioned here. I'm sure you'll find something interesting :super

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Oh, yeah, otomo. I need you to tell me your timezone :ninja

[otomo20]

Thanks for the warm welcome, my timezone is gmt+8

[alphabeta]

Awesome. Now we have everything from GMT-8 to GMT+8. Speak about coordinating things. :bored

[RaveDragon]

Awesome. Now we have everything from GMT-8 to GMT+8. Speak about coordinating things. :bored

You're doing great alpha in my opinion ^^ I've trying to write a oneshot crossover between one piece and Ft and yet im having problems =/

[alphabeta]

You're doing great alpha in my opinion ^^ I've trying to write a oneshot crossover between one piece and Ft and yet im having problems =/

Thanks, rave :hug




OP/FT crossover sounds awesome :lolo

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OMG, Oh my god, this thread is so alive

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy203/Nu-SatoiK/2a5yazk.gif

---------- Post added October 24, 2011 at 01:21 PM ---------- Previous post was October 23, 2011 at 10:33 PM ----------

O.K. New poll is out. Make sure to vote. Also, I'm taking up applications for our next two Reviews. If you want to participate in the OP or FT Joint Review make a post here.

:vbunny

---------- Post added at 01:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:21 PM ----------

Our next Joint Review will happen in two weeks. We'll be having two teams. One will review One Piece 645 (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/73306-Joint-Review-of-One-Piece-645-xxx) and the other Fairy Tail 258 (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/73305-Joint-Review-of-Fairy-Tail-258-xxx)

Deadlines will come later. Check out the OP from time to time.

[LoneLobo]

Count me in for the One Piece review, I should be available at the time. =)

[alphabeta]

Count me in for the One Piece review, I should be available at the time. =)

checked. :ninja

[kdowns]

Can my Vote still count for Bakuman even though it isn't being counted for?

If Group B is also reviewing Bakuman alongside FT I'll be in group B even though I haven't read either FT or OP .

[alphabeta]

Can my Vote still count for Bakuman even though it isn't being counted for?

If Group B is also reviewing Bakuman alongside FT I'll be in group B even though I haven't read either FT or OP .

What do you mean by Bakuman not being conuted. It's in the poll, no? :headscratch

And to make things clear. You don't read neither FT nor OP? Out of curiosity... why? OP is one of the Big 3 after all :shifty

[Googlez_kun]

What do you mean by Bakuman not being conuted. It's in the poll, no? :headscratch

And to make things clear. You don't read neither FT nor OP? Out of curiosity... why? OP is one of the Big 3 after all :shifty

I was wondering about that too.There are three people who voted for Bakuman,but it shows only two votes.Same for Berserk.

[alphabeta]

I was wondering about that too.There are three people who voted for Bakuman,but it shows only two votes.Same for Berserk.

I know. I already PM'ed bene about this matter. He said he doesn't know himself and he'll ask a global for more info. :shifty

[kdowns]

That's why I said I don't think my vote counted as I haven't voted for Bakuman the second time.

[alphabeta]

That's why I said I don't think my vote counted as I haven't voted for Bakuman the second time.

I don't get it. You voted this time, right? After bene updated the poll?

[Googlez_kun]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7328/unbenannt1xw.jpg

[kdowns]

I have not voted since Bene Updated the Poll.

[alphabeta]

I'm starting to see the idea behind the poll. Kevin's and Shin's names are still on the list from the last poll, even though they're not supposed to be.

:gwah

---------- Post added October 25, 2011 at 01:01 AM ---------- Previous post was October 24, 2011 at 11:41 PM ----------

I think we need a banner for this thread. :headscratch

[Shinsatsu]

I think we need a banner for this thread. :headscratch
When you think of something PM me.

[alphabeta]

When you think of something PM me.

Sure :plot

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GUIS, HELLO :paperbag

I need you to tell me in what review you want to participate. FT or OP? I can't just go and give out appointments.

[Jammin]

I'll help out with the Fairy Tail one if you like.

Though be warned, I still haven't beaten Dark Souls and if this giant lava vomiting topless buglady kills me one more time I may just go crazy(er).

[alphabeta]

I'll help out with the Fairy Tail one if you like.

Though be warned, I still haven't beaten Dark Souls and if this giant lava vomiting topless buglady kills me one more time I may just go crazy(er).

checked. :ninja

[scav]

i don't read FT but i can help for OP the week end

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Joseph, underscore, black, bene, guys, what is going on? We're reviewing next week's chapters, but this thread is as dead as it only can be. I understand you have RL's, but don't ignore this thread.

Thank you. :arf

@ Googz

How's the progress with the fanarts?



@ RaveDragon

Can you split your fanfic into two parts, so that we can post in half in the OP review and the other half in FT one?

[Googlez_kun]

FT fanart is finished,working on OP fanart now.

[RaveDragon]

@ RaveDragon

Can you split your fanfic into two parts, so that we can post in half in the OP review and the other half in FT one?

as in write a pirate story and a mage story separately? Ill be working on them tmr since i got no time from school the last few weeks with tests and such >< and im stuck halfway through the pirate story ugh luffy is not easy to write with sometimes...

Oh do i have a word limit (theyre short stories but i sometimes tend to go overboard)...

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as in write a pirate story and a mage story separately? Ill be working on them tmr since i got no time from school the last few weeks with tests and such >< and im stuck halfway through the pirate story ugh luffy is not easy to write with sometimes...

Don't stress it. If you won't finish by the deadline, we'll just randomly abrupt it and add a "To be continued... :arf"

And I thought you were doing a FT/OP crossover. :shifty

[RaveDragon]

Don't stress it. If you won't finish by the deadline, we'll just randomly abrupt it and add a "To be continued... :arf"

And I thought you were doing a FT/OP crossover. :shifty

Oh so i can do a crossover! that would be cooler, its just that i also write fanfics so i have quite a few ideas =D and i picked something else and i thought i wasnt meant to do a crossover xD I was working on the plot and have to still start that but i got a pretty good idea of how to do it xD but then im not sure how you would split it since it would be a combined story =/

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Oh so i can do a crossover! that would be cooler, its just that i also write fanfics so i have quite a few ideas =D and i picked something else and i thought i wasnt meant to do a crossover xD I was working on the plot and have to still start that but i got a pretty good idea of how to do it xD but then im not sure how you would split it since it would be a combined story =/

make an epic cliffhanger. Sanji admitting love to Lucy, I don't know :imslow

[RaveDragon]

make an epic cliffhanger. Sanji admitting love to Lucy, I don't know :imslow

I started writin it now xD i got inspired well i should be able to complete it in the weekend and during the week im not so packed this week XD the splitting could be part 1 in FT and the part 2 the continuation in op would that be good? (or vice versa?)

lol that would be good xD

[blackjack612]

Joseph, underscore, black, bene, guys, what is going on? We're reviewing next week's chapters, but this thread is as dead as it only can be. I understand you have RL's, but don't ignore this thread.


Yeah, i've been super busy in RL lately and between work and showing a visiting friend around town I don't have much time for stuff this week. Otherwise I'd chip in with the OP review. I actually really liked this last chapter of Naruto but don't know if I'll be able to put a timely review of that up either.

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OMG, this thread reached over 2000 views... :confetti


And yet, it's so dead... :arf

[RaveDragon]

OMG, this thread reached over 2000 views... :confetti


And yet, it's so dead... :arf

Well on good news in my fic i arrived at the point were Luffy and natsu get married :derp

No im kidding :fail Im like at the part where Ft and OP meet xD

[Josef K.]

Hi, sorry, so many subscribed threads I have to get to. >_<

I am fine with reviewing One Piece. Put me where ever you think, I prefer some section where I can contribute with comedic remarks mostly. :)

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Guys, we have problems. Big probelms

It seems that most probably I will be MIA the next few days, meaning that someone else will have temporarly organize most of the stuff here. I suggest black, but once again I can't appoint such a position. So, if you'll see me post tomorow, everything's fine, if not, then you comes have to show your teamwork >_>

[benelori]

The threads are there, please subscribe and let's get this done, if there's a need for a reviewer I can help out. FT doesn't have too many people, so I can help out there if it's needed.

[Jammin]

Ok, I see I'm listed as one of the reviewers for Fairy Tail. Dark Souls and a computer format put me somewhat out of the loop recently.

So I'll need to know what I'm supposed to be doing in terms of format, content, and how and to whom I'm supposed to submit it. So whoever is in charge of that stuff let me know and I'll get done as soon as the chapter comes out.

Chapters usually come out of Saturday or Sunday so we got tons of time.:amuse

[benelori]

Ok, I see I'm listed as one of the reviewers for Fairy Tail. Dark Souls and a computer format put me somewhat out of the loop recently.

So I'll need to know what I'm supposed to be doing in terms of format, content, and how and to whom I'm supposed to submit it. So whoever is in charge of that stuff let me know and I'll get done as soon as the chapter comes out.

Chapters usually come out of Saturday or Sunday so we got tons of time.:amuse

You can definitely send it to me in PM, in any format you like...or you can just post in the thread...but no worries...we are not hurrying with the reviews

[kdowns]

I'll go either way in terms of the Reviews.

[LoneLobo]

Because someone close to me is in the hospital I will not be able to start writing something for the review until tomorrow evening or sunday morning. Maybe I can get something done in between, but don't count on it. However, I will definitely participate in the OP review =)

[benelori]

Because someone close to me is in the hospital I will not be able to start writing something for the review until tomorrow evening or sunday morning. Maybe I can get something done in between, but don't count on it. However, I will definitely participate in the OP review =)

Take your time, and best wishes for that close person.:cheerbunny

[RaveDragon]

I haven't had time to finish the the crossover I'm halfway through but i plan on finishing it tmr! should i just post it in a spoiler here?

[benelori]

I haven't had time to finish the the crossover I'm halfway through but i plan on finishing it tmr! should i just post it in a spoiler here?

This is the first I hear about this...what sort of crossover is this?

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This is the first I hear about this...what sort of crossover is this?

OP/FT crossover. We publish one half in the OP one, the other in the FT.

I thought you'd knew that :ninja

[benelori]

OP/FT crossover. We publish one half in the OP one, the other in the FT.

I thought you'd knew that :ninja

I don't get it:oh...so they two separate things in the end, cuz you know... they are posted in different places

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I don't get it:oh...so they two separate things in the end, cuz you know... they are posted in different places

Assume rave writes a OP/FT crossover fanfic. Then we split it in two halfs. Then we post the first half in the FT one, the other in OP. Or otherway round, it doesn't matters. Next we make a link from one review to the other, where the reader can read the 2nd half of the crossover. 2 independent reviews, but 1 linked fanfic.

[benelori]

Assume rave writes a OP/FT crossover fanfic. Then we split it in two halfs. Then we post the first half in the FT one, the other in OP. Or otherway round, it doesn't matters. Next we make a link from one review to the other, where the reader can read the 2nd half of the crossover. 2 independent reviews, but 1 linked fanfic.

I was wondering how would it work...well...so it's a review or fanfic?

[Josef K.]

And in what section would the crossover be posted?

[RaveDragon]

I don't get it:oh...so they two separate things in the end, cuz you know... they are posted in different places

Yeah but if the story is likes it'll make the reader go to the other review to read the rest, i think thats alpha's plan which makes sense btw here's the first half

FT/One Piece Crossover: Ryuu, The Sacred Island of Dragons?! Part 1

Magnolia Year X784, it was another typical day at the local guild Fairy Tail and a young blond mage was having some difficulty with her teammates as her overexcited partner was trying to convince her to go on a dangerous life threatening mission once again.
“It’s called Dragon island!” the pink haired youth grinned grabbing her wrist and dragging her to the master so as to accept their mission, “Come on, Luce, Igneel must be there!”
“Aye,” said his blue cat Happy.
“No, rabid man-eating monsters will be there, maniacal ‘i-want-to-rule-the-world’ criminal with our luck will be there!” Lucy grumbled, “The name might be just that, a name!”
“Let me see that request Natsu,” Titania demanded having overheard the two squabbling. Natsu of course obliged even saluting in the process.
“The venue is Ryuu Island,” Gray snickered, “Course you ash brained dweeb would think it would house dragons but everybody knows is just a name,”
“Shut up perverted ice freak,” Natsu growled head butting Gray and while the two bickered erza read on.
“Retrieve the dragon King’s sword from Ryuu Island the Sacred Island of dragons, pay is of 200,000 jewels,” It seems a good warm up for more dangerous missions right guys?”
“Yes Erza,” the fire and ice mage agreed turning al chummy at Titania’s gaze.
“WARM UP!?” Lucy gaped, “It says people disappear on that island, and..ugh oh never mind, let’s just do it!”
And so Team Natsu set of on a dimensional journey!
Meanwhile on a noisy pirate ship a new Island had been sighted in the distance.
“Ryuu island, we’re way off course but the storm would have damaged the Sunny if we kept to it,” the navigator Nami proclaimed.
“Let’s explore it!” the captain Luffy, “I wonder if they are dragons, it would sure bring back memories,”
Luffy laughed patting his x-shaped scar on his chest; Fishmen Island was fun but nothing better than a couple of monsters to keep in shape!”
“We do need food,” the cook Sanji muttered but his serious expression didn’t last as he swooned over the black haired archeologist, “What would you say my darling Robin-swan?”
“I would like to explore it after all Ryuu island is known for its great historical ruins although not many who set foot have returned and those who have were changed people,” Robin
“I’ll heal all those in need,” Chopper grinned, “the sacred Island of Dragons must be an awesome place!”
“It can’t be worse than what we faced till now right,” Usopp said putting on a brave front even though his legs were trembling.
“I need to practice my sword on something, hunting will be a good warm up,” Zoro agreed while cleaning his beloved swords.
Franky laughed and got to work, he knew when his companions where set on something and he might as well adjust the course, “All right then full speed ahead to Ryuu!”
“They’ll surely be loads of treasure to take up!” Nami giggled.
“Yohohohoho then an adventurous song will surely fit the mood,” the soul king Brook bowed ready to perform as the Thousand Sunny sailed straight to the Sacred island of Dragons.
And as our two groups of hero’s finally arrived on the Island they would have never imagined the perilous journey they would face and the new friends from another world they would encounter but as Natsu and Luffy were present it might have not been so surprising.
Team Natsu had decided their best bet was the ruin dedicated to dragon s
“WHY WOULD YOU TOUCH THAT” Lucy screamed at the idiot of a dragon’s slayer who was sheepishly laughing beside her as they run for their lives from the snarling green beast.
“It was a dragon head I thought it was cool,” Natsu grinned with Happy flying beside him repeating the words “Natsu you idiot,”
“Well that dragon head was a trap and released a crazy DRAGON after us!” Gray shrieked.
“I can’t beat it here the ruins might not take it,” Erza said explained.
‘Just let me at it I’m a…” Natsu started for the umpteenth time as they kept on towards a blinding light.
“NO!” they told him once more without noticing that they had run towards the wrong exit.
Luffy’s group minus Brook and Franky who had remained to guard the ship encountered the same problem when their captain fell for the same exact trap Salamander had.
“LUFFY YOU IDIOT!” Nami roared hitting him repeatedly on his head as the winged beast continued its pursuit for the crew.
“Let’s just take it out!” Zoro and Sanji chimed in.
“No, the ruins would collapse on us!” Robin warned.
“Just run!” Chopper and Usopp cried scared to the core.
In the instant both groups came out something truly magical occurred as they bumped into each other at the exit and they all fell one on top of the other. The dragon-like beasts having successfully chased the intruders went back to guard the treasure of the Island.
“Oh BEAUTIES, my heart has lead me to these wonderful red and blond goddesses!” Sanji sang spotting Erza and Lucy who were getting up and checking for any bruises.
Lucy proceeded to help Chopper up, “Sorry, erm, reindeer-kun?’
“He’s Chopper,” Luffy jumped up as if nothing had happened, “Our crew’s doctor!”
“DOCTOR!?” Lucy and Gray cried in surprise.
“Yep,” Chopper confirmed grinning gaining gaping looks from Fairy Tail’s strongest team although Natsu seemed more excited rather than surprise.
“Another talking Happy!” he laughed genuinely entertained.
“He’s not a cat though,” Happy and Lucy reprimanded having recovered from the shock. Happy and Chopper then seemed to study each other before deciding they would be great friend with a handshake.
“Well,I’m Luffy, I’m going to be the King of the pirates!” Luffy suddenly proclaimed.
“They’re pirates!?” our favorite mages would have never thought they’re new friends to be scavengers of the sea.
“Cool! Well we’re mages!” Natsu said not wanted his guild to be outshone by the crew whom he believed to be like a guild in a way.
“Mages?!” it was Nami, Chopper and Usopp turn to exclaim now.
“Awesome!” Luffy grinned, “show me some tricks then!”
“Yeah,” Chopper and Usopp enthusiastically agreed.
Further introductions ensued especially as Luffy and Chopper demonstrated their own abilities.
“I would’ve figured they’re mages as well, never heard of this devil fruit thing,” Lucy puzzled, “And you say they’re is even a skeleton?”
“You really don’t know? Where’d you come from, everyone knows of the legend of the devil fruits!” Nami questioned the blond.
“Well, you don’t know about guilds and mages I could ask you the same thing!” Lucy countered.
“Strange, it’s like we are from two totally different worlds,” Robin mused, “It’s like two different authors decided to make their own respective characters meet up,”
“Hey Luce this guy must be your cousin he’s all weird and your names are kind of the same,” Natsu called out to her smirking the whole time.
“Aye,” Happy giggled agreeing.
“Don’t come up with these weird things our names starting and ending with the same letters don’t mean we’re related!” Lucy angrily berated her teammates.
“Nami! Nami, this guy breaths fire like Ace used to!” Luffy said overjoyed, “he slays dragons isn’t that cool?!”
“Do that ice thing again Gray,” Usopp and Chopper asked in glee.
“No problem,” Gray boasted, “I can make even better stuff,”
Erza and Zolo in the meantime found they had their love for swords in common while Sanji promised Titania to make her the best strawberry shortcake ever known to man. This of course resulted in the blond and the swordsman to bicker.
The party soon ended though as a giant purple ape crushed the ground in front of the group.
“You dare enter my kingdom thus you shall receive punishment!” it roared before the pirates and mages could do anything but let their jaw drop to the ground albeit Luffy and Natsu who found it quite fun.
The ape snapped its fingers and suddenly a puff of smoke enveloped the group. When the smoke lifted our heroes couldn’t believe their eyes.


I'm typing part two as we post :XD

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I was wondering how would it work...well...so it's a review or fanfic?

It's a fanfic posted in a review. 2 in 1

:ohaielmo



And in what section would the crossover be posted?

Bonus Section.


Nice sig, Jo ":fail" :XD




Yeah but if the story is likes it'll make the reader go to the other review to read the rest, i think thats alpha's plan which makes sense btw here's the first half

FT/One Piece Crossover: Ryuu, The Sacred Island of Dragons?! Part 1

Magnolia Year X784, it was another typical day at the local guild Fairy Tail and a young blond mage was having some difficulty with her teammates as her overexcited partner was trying to convince her to go on a dangerous life threatening mission once again.
“It’s called Dragon island!” the pink haired youth grinned grabbing her wrist and dragging her to the master so as to accept their mission, “Come on, Luce, Igneel must be there!”
“Aye,” said his blue cat Happy.
“No, rabid man-eating monsters will be there, maniacal ‘i-want-to-rule-the-world’ criminal with our luck will be there!” Lucy grumbled, “The name might be just that, a name!”
“Let me see that request Natsu,” Titania demanded having overheard the two squabbling. Natsu of course obliged even saluting in the process.
“The venue is Ryuu Island,” Gray snickered, “Course you ash brained dweeb would think it would house dragons but everybody knows is just a name,”
“Shut up perverted ice freak,” Natsu growled head butting Gray and while the two bickered erza read on.
“Retrieve the dragon King’s sword from Ryuu Island the Sacred Island of dragons, pay is of 200,000 jewels,” It seems a good warm up for more dangerous missions right guys?”
“Yes Erza,” the fire and ice mage agreed turning al chummy at Titania’s gaze.
“WARM UP!?” Lucy gaped, “It says people disappear on that island, and..ugh oh never mind, let’s just do it!”
And so Team Natsu set of on a dimensional journey!
Meanwhile on a noisy pirate ship a new Island had been sighted in the distance.
“Ryuu island, we’re way off course but the storm would have damaged the Sunny if we kept to it,” the navigator Nami proclaimed.
“Let’s explore it!” the captain Luffy, “I wonder if they are dragons, it would sure bring back memories,”
Luffy laughed patting his x-shaped scar on his chest; Fishmen Island was fun but nothing better than a couple of monsters to keep in shape!”
“We do need food,” the cook Sanji muttered but his serious expression didn’t last as he swooned over the black haired archeologist, “What would you say my darling Robin-swan?”
“I would like to explore it after all Ryuu island is known for its great historical ruins although not many who set foot have returned and those who have were changed people,” Robin
“I’ll heal all those in need,” Chopper grinned, “the sacred Island of Dragons must be an awesome place!”
“It can’t be worse than what we faced till now right,” Usopp said putting on a brave front even though his legs were trembling.
“I need to practice my sword on something, hunting will be a good warm up,” Zoro agreed while cleaning his beloved swords.
Franky laughed and got to work, he knew when his companions where set on something and he might as well adjust the course, “All right then full speed ahead to Ryuu!”
“They’ll surely be loads of treasure to take up!” Nami giggled.
“Yohohohoho then an adventurous song will surely fit the mood,” the soul king Brook bowed ready to perform as the Thousand Sunny sailed straight to the Sacred island of Dragons.
And as our two groups of hero’s finally arrived on the Island they would have never imagined the perilous journey they would face and the new friends from another world they would encounter but as Natsu and Luffy were present it might have not been so surprising.
Team Natsu had decided their best bet was the ruin dedicated to dragon s
“WHY WOULD YOU TOUCH THAT” Lucy screamed at the idiot of a dragon’s slayer who was sheepishly laughing beside her as they run for their lives from the snarling green beast.
“It was a dragon head I thought it was cool,” Natsu grinned with Happy flying beside him repeating the words “Natsu you idiot,”
“Well that dragon head was a trap and released a crazy DRAGON after us!” Gray shrieked.
“I can’t beat it here the ruins might not take it,” Erza said explained.
‘Just let me at it I’m a…” Natsu started for the umpteenth time as they kept on towards a blinding light.
“NO!” they told him once more without noticing that they had run towards the wrong exit.
Luffy’s group minus Brook and Franky who had remained to guard the ship encountered the same problem when their captain fell for the same exact trap Salamander had.
“LUFFY YOU IDIOT!” Nami roared hitting him repeatedly on his head as the winged beast continued its pursuit for the crew.
“Let’s just take it out!” Zoro and Sanji chimed in.
“No, the ruins would collapse on us!” Robin warned.
“Just run!” Chopper and Usopp cried scared to the core.
In the instant both groups came out something truly magical occurred as they bumped into each other at the exit and they all fell one on top of the other. The dragon-like beasts having successfully chased the intruders went back to guard the treasure of the Island.
“Oh BEAUTIES, my heart has lead me to these wonderful red and blond goddesses!” Sanji sang spotting Erza and Lucy who were getting up and checking for any bruises.
Lucy proceeded to help Chopper up, “Sorry, erm, reindeer-kun?’
“He’s Chopper,” Luffy jumped up as if nothing had happened, “Our crew’s doctor!”
“DOCTOR!?” Lucy and Gray cried in surprise.
“Yep,” Chopper confirmed grinning gaining gaping looks from Fairy Tail’s strongest team although Natsu seemed more excited rather than surprise.
“Another talking Happy!” he laughed genuinely entertained.
“He’s not a cat though,” Happy and Lucy reprimanded having recovered from the shock. Happy and Chopper then seemed to study each other before deciding they would be great friend with a handshake.
“Well,I’m Luffy, I’m going to be the King of the pirates!” Luffy suddenly proclaimed.
“They’re pirates!?” our favorite mages would have never thought they’re new friends to be scavengers of the sea.
“Cool! Well we’re mages!” Natsu said not wanted his guild to be outshone by the crew whom he believed to be like a guild in a way.
“Mages?!” it was Nami, Chopper and Usopp turn to exclaim now.
“Awesome!” Luffy grinned, “show me some tricks then!”
“Yeah,” Chopper and Usopp enthusiastically agreed.
Further introductions ensued especially as Luffy and Chopper demonstrated their own abilities.
“I would’ve figured they’re mages as well, never heard of this devil fruit thing,” Lucy puzzled, “And you say they’re is even a skeleton?”
“You really don’t know? Where’d you come from, everyone knows of the legend of the devil fruits!” Nami questioned the blond.
“Well, you don’t know about guilds and mages I could ask you the same thing!” Lucy countered.
“Strange, it’s like we are from two totally different worlds,” Robin mused, “It’s like two different authors decided to make their own respective characters meet up,”
“Hey Luce this guy must be your cousin he’s all weird and your names are kind of the same,” Natsu called out to her smirking the whole time.
“Aye,” Happy giggled agreeing.
“Don’t come up with these weird things our names starting and ending with the same letters don’t mean we’re related!” Lucy angrily berated her teammates.
“Nami! Nami, this guy breaths fire like Ace used to!” Luffy said overjoyed, “he slays dragons isn’t that cool?!”
“Do that ice thing again Gray,” Usopp and Chopper asked in glee.
“No problem,” Gray boasted, “I can make even better stuff,”
Erza and Zolo in the meantime found they had their love for swords in common while Sanji promised Titania to make her the best strawberry shortcake ever known to man. This of course resulted in the blond and the swordsman to bicker.
The party soon ended though as a giant purple ape crushed the ground in front of the group.
“You dare enter my kingdom thus you shall receive punishment!” it roared before the pirates and mages could do anything but let their jaw drop to the ground albeit Luffy and Natsu who found it quite fun.
The ape snapped its fingers and suddenly a puff of smoke enveloped the group. When the smoke lifted our heroes couldn’t believe their eyes.


I'm typing part two as we post :XD

OMG, OMG :blai

[Josef K.]

Ah, sounds interesting then, also put me in for the One Piece review, anything I should start doing? I want to finish my part over the weekend.

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Guys, here's my proposal. We move both FT and OP reviews for the next week. And in the meantime we organize this whole stuff. We're not much further organization-wise, than when we did our Bleach review >_>

[RaveDragon]

OMG, OMG :blai

Hope you like it, here's part 2
I kinda surprised myself and well I loled a bit writing this, goodness i love OP and FT

FT/One Piece Crossover: The Sacred Island of Dragons?! Part 2

Luffy, Nami and Chopper from the Mugiwara also known as straw-hat pirates couldn’t believe their eyes and neither could Natsu, Lucy and Happy from the Fairy Tail guild. One minute they were chattering with each other getting to know their new friends and the next a giant purple ape which reminded Lucy of a Vulcan crushed, snapped its fingers and their friends were turned into tiny squirrels trapped in the cages the ape was holding.
“If you want your friends back, then come at the top of the Ryuu ruins and take them back like true men!”
“We’re women you idiot,” Nami and Lucy roared back.
“Hey Elfman this isn’t funny you ass!” Natsu grumbled, “Come back here!”
But it was too late the ape had already ran for the ruins and all that was left to do was save their friends.

“So much for the mission,” Lucy sighed and then started crying comically, “Waaah why does this always happen?!”
“I know how you feel,” Nami said shaking her head, “I’d better call some reinforcements…”
“I can’t believe Elfman!” Natsu said shouting in frustration, “Missions should be taken seriously!”
“Look who’s talking,” Lucy face palmed.
“I don’t think that’s Elfman…” Happy told Natsu.
“Hahahahaha, I knew this would be fun lets go beat up that gorilla!” Luffy said punching the air excitedly.
“WOOOOO, I’m all fired up let’s go Luffy,” Natsu agreed as they knuckled each other and ran ahead to the ruins.
“And then the idiots left…” Nami and Lucy sighed setting off after the others.
When they finally reached the boys they were looking for a way to get in the ruins.
“They’re no stairs, ugh, fine,” Natsu said, “Happy let’s fly up!”
“Awesome! It’s a flying cat!” Chopper and Luffy pointed excitedly as Happy and Natsu flew to the top of the ruins.
“Umm guys,” Lucy called, “It appears that there’s an elevator…”
“Huh?” the rest replied.
The elevator was even incorporated with a sound system and inside Lucy and the strawhats began feeling the strangeness of the island.
“This is weird, right?” Lucy asked.
“Definitely,” Nami nodded.
“I think it’s fun” Luffy laughed.
“I think it’s scary,” Chopper whimpered as Lucy patted him trying to give him courage.
Meanwhile Natsu arrived at the top and a ‘ding’ resounded behind him.
“AAAAAA, there was an elevator and you didn’t tell me?!” Natsu fumed, “Luce you’re mean!”
“AYE!” Happy chimed in.
“You just charged off on yourself don’t blame me!” Lucy shrieked back.
“Guys, stop fighting and help us!” a squirrel in Erza’s armor shouted and those still human, “This is embarresing I mus say,”
“Robin-swan, Erza-swan you still look beautiful,” a squirrel with a blond fringe chippered.
“I can’t cut anything with these toothpicks,” Zoro growled at his resized swords.
Robin remained silent in a corner altogether.
“This is NOT normal…” the squirrel Usopp with a green bandana said.
“On the plus side we know where the sword is and there’s a bonus,” Gray squirrel nodded towards a mountain of treasure behind them and the sword resting on a golden altar.
“Look out!” they screamed as three dragons descended the green and orange that had pursued them inside the ruins and a familiar purple one who addressed them.
“You made it up here but now you must face our fury,” he laughed maniacally.
Too bad he was up against Salamander the fire dragon’s slayer and Luffy the future king of the pirates.
“Okay grab the sword from the altar, save the others and beat these dragons!” Natsu planned.
“No, beat the dragons first!” Lucy corrected, “That should break the spell and THEN we can take the sword and maybe some gold coins…”
“50-50?” Nami offered her hand.
“Deal,” The blond replied.
“Luffy get rid of the dragon I’ll get the treasure, “ Nami sang happily.
“You won’t ever…”the green and orange began but Luffy and Natsu were too quick.
“Gomu Gomu RED HAWK,” Luffy jumped into action punching the green dragon on his muzzle and sending him flying into a pillar a great deal of smoke then rose from it.
“That was too quick!” Lucy marveled at Luffy’s inhumane strength and then she noticed the water coming from a fountain.
“Crimson Lotus: Fire Dragon Fist,” Natsu followed each punch dealt to the orange dragon
“You’re inhumane!” Nami exclaimed as she packed the treasure.
“WHAT?” The purple dragon
“Might as well help out, Open Gate to the water bearer! AQUARIUS,” Lucy called her most powerful spirit.
“You’re not a real dragon are you,” she grinned at the twitchy purple dragon.
“Shape shifters, makes sense,” Nami chimed in.
Just SAVE US” the squirrels burst.
“Aquarius!” Lucy gave the signal.
“With pleasure,” the spirit smiled back amiably causing Lucy to step back frightened.
“WHAT?!” Lucy cried in shock and surprise as Aquarius shot a giant Tsunami at the purple dragon alone.
“Eat this,” Nami helped out adding thunder to the water increasing its power.
“YOU DID IT,” their companions cheered.
“And our mission is over,” Gray said grabbing the sword.
The three dragons had vanished in a puff of smoke leaving only three little kids who were obviously mages.
“We only wanted to have some fun,” The carrot haired girl named Orange said.
“Sorry,” her brother Green apologized.
“Yeah, we’re all alone here so it’s no fun,” the eldest Purple grinned.
“We’re here to save you!” a cry came from a robotic thousand sunny suddenly raining from the sky was heard. On its chest was the emblem of the straw-hat pirates while it head was the thousand sunny’s
“You’re late!” Nami berated.
“Is that thing even possible,” Happy objected.
“Who cares it’s too amazing for logic, HAHA,” Natsu chuckled.
“Oh yes, since that’s because it’s all a dream,” Lucy sighed.
“Huh?” was the response from the rest.
“Why else is Aquarius being nice…” Lucy said pointing to the mermaid hugging her.
“Luce,” Natsu said taking her hand, “Marry me…”
“…”
“…”
“WHAT?” I shouted getting up from the table I had been sleeping on and falling onto the floor.
“Cana, you’re alright?” Lucy asked me worriedly.
“Did I take the fairy tail special yesterday at the party?” I asked guessing where the dream had come from.
“Yeah, twelve of them,” Lucy sweat dropped, “you know Natsu and the Master make that, I don’t think you should…”
“Yeah, NEVER again,” I laughed shakily shivering from the dream, “A marathon of One Piece, twelve of those things and the sexual tension between you and Natsu can’t be healthy for me,”
The now awakened guild laughed at my joke wholeheartedly as Lucy turned a cherry red.
“Heeeey! ” the blond protested not in the least amused .
“Haha weird Luce is funny,” natsu giggled placing his arm round her shoulders.
“You’re not helping, Natsu!” Lucy angrily punched him on his chest but soon joined in the laughter of this new guild. She needed it especially now in this time of loss when seven lost years had left them with a lingering weight in their hearts.

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Hope you like it, here's part 2
I kinda surprised myself and well I loled a bit writing this, goodness i love OP and FT

FT/One Piece Crossover: The Sacred Island of Dragons?! Part 2

Luffy, Nami and Chopper from the Mugiwara also known as straw-hat pirates couldn’t believe their eyes and neither could Natsu, Lucy and Happy from the Fairy Tail guild. One minute they were chattering with each other getting to know their new friends and the next a giant purple ape which reminded Lucy of a Vulcan crushed, snapped its fingers and their friends were turned into tiny squirrels trapped in the cages the ape was holding.
“If you want your friends back, then come at the top of the Ryuu ruins and take them back like true men!”
“We’re women you idiot,” Nami and Lucy roared back.
“Hey Elfman this isn’t funny you ass!” Natsu grumbled, “Come back here!”
But it was too late the ape had already ran for the ruins and all that was left to do was save their friends.

“So much for the mission,” Lucy sighed and then started crying comically, “Waaah why does this always happen?!”
“I know how you feel,” Nami said shaking her head, “I’d better call some reinforcements…”
“I can’t believe Elfman!” Natsu said shouting in frustration, “Missions should be taken seriously!”
“Look who’s talking,” Lucy face palmed.
“I don’t think that’s Elfman…” Happy told Natsu.
“Hahahahaha, I knew this would be fun lets go beat up that gorilla!” Luffy said punching the air excitedly.
“WOOOOO, I’m all fired up let’s go Luffy,” Natsu agreed as they knuckled each other and ran ahead to the ruins.
“And then the idiots left…” Nami and Lucy sighed setting off after the others.
When they finally reached the boys they were looking for a way to get in the ruins.
“They’re no stairs, ugh, fine,” Natsu said, “Happy let’s fly up!”
“Awesome! It’s a flying cat!” Chopper and Luffy pointed excitedly as Happy and Natsu flew to the top of the ruins.
“Umm guys,” Lucy called, “It appears that there’s an elevator…”
“Huh?” the rest replied.
The elevator was even incorporated with a sound system and inside Lucy and the strawhats began feeling the strangeness of the island.
“This is weird, right?” Lucy asked.
“Definitely,” Nami nodded.
“I think it’s fun” Luffy laughed.
“I think it’s scary,” Chopper whimpered as Lucy patted him trying to give him courage.
Meanwhile Natsu arrived at the top and a ‘ding’ resounded behind him.
“AAAAAA, there was an elevator and you didn’t tell me?!” Natsu fumed, “Luce you’re mean!”
“AYE!” Happy chimed in.
“You just charged off on yourself don’t blame me!” Lucy shrieked back.
“Guys, stop fighting and help us!” a squirrel in Erza’s armor shouted and those still human, “This is embarresing I mus say,”
“Robin-swan, Erza-swan you still look beautiful,” a squirrel with a blond fringe chippered.
“I can’t cut anything with these toothpicks,” Zoro growled at his resized swords.
Robin remained silent in a corner altogether.
“This is NOT normal…” the squirrel Usopp with a green bandana said.
“On the plus side we know where the sword is and there’s a bonus,” Gray squirrel nodded towards a mountain of treasure behind them and the sword resting on a golden altar.
“Look out!” they screamed as three dragons descended the green and orange that had pursued them inside the ruins and a familiar purple one who addressed them.
“You made it up here but now you must face our fury,” he laughed maniacally.
Too bad he was up against Salamander the fire dragon’s slayer and Luffy the future king of the pirates.
“Okay grab the sword from the altar, save the others and beat these dragons!” Natsu planned.
“No, beat the dragons first!” Lucy corrected, “That should break the spell and THEN we can take the sword and maybe some gold coins…”
“50-50?” Nami offered her hand.
“Deal,” The blond replied.
“Luffy get rid of the dragon I’ll get the treasure, “ Nami sang happily.
“You won’t ever…”the green and orange began but Luffy and Natsu were too quick.
“Gomu Gomu RED HAWK,” Luffy jumped into action punching the green dragon on his muzzle and sending him flying into a pillar a great deal of smoke then rose from it.
“That was too quick!” Lucy marveled at Luffy’s inhumane strength and then she noticed the water coming from a fountain.
“Crimson Lotus: Fire Dragon Fist,” Natsu followed each punch dealt to the orange dragon
“You’re inhumane!” Nami exclaimed as she packed the treasure.
“WHAT?” The purple dragon
“Might as well help out, Open Gate to the water bearer! AQUARIUS,” Lucy called her most powerful spirit.
“You’re not a real dragon are you,” she grinned at the twitchy purple dragon.
“Shape shifters, makes sense,” Nami chimed in.
Just SAVE US” the squirrels burst.
“Aquarius!” Lucy gave the signal.
“With pleasure,” the spirit smiled back amiably causing Lucy to step back frightened.
“WHAT?!” Lucy cried in shock and surprise as Aquarius shot a giant Tsunami at the purple dragon alone.
“Eat this,” Nami helped out adding thunder to the water increasing its power.
“YOU DID IT,” their companions cheered.
“And our mission is over,” Gray said grabbing the sword.
The three dragons had vanished in a puff of smoke leaving only three little kids who were obviously mages.
“We only wanted to have some fun,” The carrot haired girl named Orange said.
“Sorry,” her brother Green apologized.
“Yeah, we’re all alone here so it’s no fun,” the eldest Purple grinned.
“We’re here to save you!” a cry came from a robotic thousand sunny suddenly raining from the sky was heard. On its chest was the emblem of the straw-hat pirates while it head was the thousand sunny’s
“You’re late!” Nami berated.
“Is that thing even possible,” Happy objected.
“Who cares it’s too amazing for logic, HAHA,” Natsu chuckled.
“Oh yes, since that’s because it’s all a dream,” Lucy sighed.
“Huh?” was the response from the rest.
“Why else is Aquarius being nice…” Lucy said pointing to the mermaid hugging her.
“Luce,” Natsu said taking her hand, “Marry me…”
“…”
“…”
“WHAT?” I shouted getting up from the table I had been sleeping on and falling onto the floor.
“Cana, you’re alright?” Lucy asked me worriedly.
“Did I take the fairy tail special yesterday at the party?” I asked guessing where the dream had come from.
“Yeah, twelve of them,” Lucy sweat dropped, “you know Natsu and the Master make that, I don’t think you should…”
“Yeah, NEVER again,” I laughed shakily shivering from the dream, “A marathon of One Piece, twelve of those things and the sexual tension between you and Natsu can’t be healthy for me,”
The now awakened guild laughed at my joke wholeheartedly as Lucy turned a cherry red.
“Heeeey! ” the blond protested not in the least amused .
“Haha weird Luce is funny,” natsu giggled placing his arm round her shoulders.
“You’re not helping, Natsu!” Lucy angrily punched him on his chest but soon joined in the laughter of this new guild. She needed it especially now in this time of loss when seven lost years had left them with a lingering weight in their hearts.



Thanks rave, the fanfic's awesome :crying



Now all that's left is a review -_-;

[RaveDragon]

Thanks rave, the fanfic's awesome :crying



Now all that's left is a review -_-;

No problem ^^ Glad it's liked ^^

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Fine, I'm making it official. We're moving both our FT and OP reviews into next week. Everyone who already worked on them, sorry, it is my fault for not warning you sooner. I take responsibilty.


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Uuurggh, that hurt. Anyway, not that the formalities are over, there's another bad news. phio_chan has to leave us because this thread is so dead, there is too much mod work for her. phio, you can always come back, whenever you feel like it :crying

[RaveDragon]

Fine, I'm making it official. We're moving both our FT and OP reviews into next week. Everyone who already worked on them, sorry, it is my fault for not warning you sooner. I take responsibilty.


http://rizellemalabanan.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/seppuku.jpg



Uuurggh, that hurt. Anyway, not that the formalities are over, there's another bad news. phio_chan has to leave us because this thread is so dead, there is too much mod work for her. phio, you can always come back, whenever you feel like it :crying

Argh Well at leat you've got some stuff ready, do you need help with any reviews? I can help out a bit in the FT since i finished the fanfic ^^

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Argh Well at leat you've got some stuff ready, do you need help with any reviews? I can help out a bit in the FT since i finished the fanfic ^^

sure, I'll move you to FT review then :hug

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Everyone, now that the time has changed pleas make a new post saying in what review you want to participate.

[RaveDragon]

sure, I'll move you to FT review then :hug

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Everyone, now that the time has changed pleas make a new post saying in what review you want to participate.

Yes but I need to know what my orders are? what do i do?

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Yes but I need to know what my orders are? what do i do?

Don't worry. I'll explain everything. Soon.


:kukuku

[RaveDragon]

Don't worry. I'll explain everything. Soon.


:kukuku

I hope so :XD cuz i work on orders haha I shall now turn into review mode from writer mode =D

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rave, what do you think about writing the predictions section for FT review. you're into FT, so you should be able to gues what happens next. Or do you want another section?

[RaveDragon]

rave, what do you think about writing the predictions section for FT review. you're into FT, so you should be able to gues what happens next. Or do you want another section?

I just read the latest chap so for 259 i have a few ideas of what might happen, can I like also write a small paragraph about the predictions of other MH users giving them credit of course like - user a commented "blablabla" - and then i write my thoughts?

as natsu would say Im all fired up for next week :D

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I just read the latest chap so for 259 i have a few ideas of what might happen, can I like also write a small paragraph about the predictions of other MH users giving them credit of course like - user a commented "blablabla" - and then i write my thoughts?

as natsu would say Im all fired up for next week :D

I think it's better to state something like "i read some interesting thoughts in the FT section and here's what I think about them"

Crediting is up to you. If it's one person I don't see a problem, but if there are 10 people better just do it the way I described above.

[RaveDragon]

I think it's better to state something like "i read some interesting thoughts in the FT section and here's what I think about them"

Crediting is up to you. If it's one person I don't see a problem, but if there are 10 people better just do it the way I described above.

Okay then I'll do my best.
About my fanfic will it be used as well, I spent quite some time on it :scry I hope it won''t be scraped...

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Okay then I'll do my best.
About my fanfic will it be used as well, I spent quite some time on it :scry I hope it won''t be scraped...

Do I look that much like a bad character? :scry :scry :scry :scry

Rave, we're all reviewers here. I doubt anyone else knows how much energy and time it takes to write something bigger than a one-liner.

[RaveDragon]

Do I look that much like a bad character? :scry :scry :scry :scry

Rave, we're all reviewers here. I doubt anyone else knows how much energy and time it takes to write something bigger than a one-liner.

As if no! :yelling You're quite the hard worker together with Bene and the rest, it was just a question since we're not being very organized haha.

I'll work on the predictions as best as I can and have them on by Friday ^^ I just need to know the word limit, 2-3 paragraphs?
I'll repost everything together in spoiler tags^^

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As if no! :yelling You're quite the hard worker together with Bene and the rest, it was just a question since we're not being very organized haha.

I'll work on the predictions as best as I can and have them on by Friday ^^ I just need to know the word limit, 2-3 paragraphs?
I'll repost everything together in spoiler tags^^

:hug

No word limit. For your first time, that is. I don't want to put you in any restrictions since you're a beginner. We'll see what your strong and weak points are after you write those predictions first. :super

[RaveDragon]

Never mind I finished it...(everyone was saying the same things so, well, i got writing and...)

Fairy Tail chapter 259- The Sky Dragon, Grandina.

Hiro Mashima once again gives us an amazing and unforeseen twist in his manga, Fairy Tail as of chapter 258. This leads me to the predictions for his next chapter 259; The Sky Dragon, Grandina. Rogue and Fro as well as Sting and Lector seem to be the ‘replacements’ for Natsu and Happy and Gajeel and Lily respectively it was even mentioned that a ‘long time ago’ Rogue was Gajeel’s apprentice. This makes me hopeful for some revelations on the past of Fairy Tail’s Dragon Slayers explaining the puzzling event of Natsu and Gajeel not being able to leave Freed’s runes in the Fantasia arc (which I remind you went No stone statues or individuals older than 80 may pass) although maybe this will not be fully revealed in the next chapter but definetely in future chapters of this arc. It is probable that there is another dragon slayer and his/her exceed and which should be replacing Wendy and Charle. This gives us three of the powerful members of Sabertooth, the number one guild in Fiore.

Following the speculations from the Fairy Tail discussion of the current chapter many think that these Dragons Slayers may be artificial although since they have Exceeds by their side I think they are quite real and might reveal important information about the dragons especially since it seems they know of Grandina unlike the fake dragon slayers encountered before whom have not mentioned knowing any dragon, another factor which makes me believe they truly are dragon slayers. It is also speculated that Meredy, Ultear or even Jellal might be part of Sabertooth. This I don’t think is the case as the three are ‘wanted’ by the magic council unless they have adopted disguises.

This brings me to the title of the chapter The sky dragon, Grandina whom we have not seen since the end of the Tower of heaven arc chatting with Igneel. In this occasion Grandina mentions the Dragon king feast and I believe Mashima has finally decided to tackle this subject and the dragons Metallicana and Igneel are much likely to make an appearance in this next chapter.

Last but not least is Gildarts becoming the new Fairy Tail Master which is not a surprise as Macao, I believe does not have the ability to push Fairy Tail back to its former glory although he has done a good job at trying to keep it running. More importantly is the secret of Fairy Tail only known by the masters and written by none other than Mavis of the first generation, Lumen Etoile or rather starlight. This could indicate a link to Lucy, our celestial mage whose whole magic has to do with stars and constellations or even her mother the mysterious celestial mage who died on the same year the dragons vanished. It may even be connected to the source of magic mentioned in the previous arc a story told by Layla to her daughter and which leaves us quite curious about it. To leave Gildarts at a lack of words it is most likely an important element in the plot for this arc.


I'll put the parts f the stories here for organisation stuff one moment

Magnolia Year X784, it was another typical day at the local guild Fairy Tail and a young blond mage was having some difficulty with her teammates as her overexcited partner was trying to convince her to go on a dangerous life threatening mission once again.
“It’s called Dragon island!” the pink haired youth grinned grabbing her wrist and dragging her to the master so as to accept their mission, “Come on, Luce, Igneel must be there!”
“Aye,” said his blue cat Happy.
“No, rabid man-eating monsters will be there, maniacal ‘i-want-to-rule-the-world’ criminal with our luck will be there!” Lucy grumbled, “The name might be just that, a name!”
“Let me see that request Natsu,” Titania demanded having overheard the two squabbling. Natsu of course obliged even saluting in the process.
“The venue is Ryuu Island,” Gray snickered, “Course you ash brained dweeb would think it would house dragons but everybody knows is just a name,”
“Shut up perverted ice freak,” Natsu growled head butting Gray and while the two bickered erza read on.
“Retrieve the dragon King’s sword from Ryuu Island the Sacred Island of dragons, pay is of 200,000 jewels,” It seems a good warm up for more dangerous missions right guys?”
“Yes Erza,” the fire and ice mage agreed turning al chummy at Titania’s gaze.
“WARM UP!?” Lucy gaped, “It says people disappear on that island, and..ugh oh never mind, let’s just do it!”
And so Team Natsu set of on a dimensional journey!
Meanwhile on a noisy pirate ship a new Island had been sighted in the distance.
“Ryuu island, we’re way off course but the storm would have damaged the Sunny if we kept to it,” the navigator Nami proclaimed.
“Let’s explore it!” the captain Luffy, “I wonder if they are dragons, it would sure bring back memories,”
Luffy laughed patting his x-shaped scar on his chest; Fishmen Island was fun but nothing better than a couple of monsters to keep in shape!”
“We do need food,” the cook Sanji muttered but his serious expression didn’t last as he swooned over the black haired archeologist, “What would you say my darling Robin-swan?”
“I would like to explore it after all Ryuu island is known for its great historical ruins although not many who set foot have returned and those who have were changed people,” Robin
“I’ll heal all those in need,” Chopper grinned, “the sacred Island of Dragons must be an awesome place!”
“It can’t be worse than what we faced till now right,” Usopp said putting on a brave front even though his legs were trembling.
“I need to practice my sword on something, hunting will be a good warm up,” Zoro agreed while cleaning his beloved swords.
Franky laughed and got to work, he knew when his companions where set on something and he might as well adjust the course, “All right then full speed ahead to Ryuu!”
“They’ll surely be loads of treasure to take up!” Nami giggled.
“Yohohohoho then an adventurous song will surely fit the mood,” the soul king Brook bowed ready to perform as the Thousand Sunny sailed straight to the Sacred island of Dragons.
And as our two groups of hero’s finally arrived on the Island they would have never imagined the perilous journey they would face and the new friends from another world they would encounter but as Natsu and Luffy were present it might have not been so surprising.
Team Natsu had decided their best bet was the ruin dedicated to dragon s
“WHY WOULD YOU TOUCH THAT” Lucy screamed at the idiot of a dragon’s slayer who was sheepishly laughing beside her as they run for their lives from the snarling green beast.
“It was a dragon head I thought it was cool,” Natsu grinned with Happy flying beside him repeating the words “Natsu you idiot,”
“Well that dragon head was a trap and released a crazy DRAGON after us!” Gray shrieked.
“I can’t beat it here the ruins might not take it,” Erza said explained.
‘Just let me at it I’m a…” Natsu started for the umpteenth time as they kept on towards a blinding light.
“NO!” they told him once more without noticing that they had run towards the wrong exit.
Luffy’s group minus Brook and Franky who had remained to guard the ship encountered the same problem when their captain fell for the same exact trap Salamander had.
“LUFFY YOU IDIOT!” Nami roared hitting him repeatedly on his head as the winged beast continued its pursuit for the crew.
“Let’s just take it out!” Zoro and Sanji chimed in.
“No, the ruins would collapse on us!” Robin warned.
“Just run!” Chopper and Usopp cried scared to the core.
In the instant both groups came out something truly magical occurred as they bumped into each other at the exit and they all fell one on top of the other. The dragon-like beasts having successfully chased the intruders went back to guard the treasure of the Island.
“Oh BEAUTIES, my heart has lead me to these wonderful red and blond goddesses!” Sanji sang spotting Erza and Lucy who were getting up and checking for any bruises.
Lucy proceeded to help Chopper up, “Sorry, erm, reindeer-kun?’
“He’s Chopper,” Luffy jumped up as if nothing had happened, “Our crew’s doctor!”
“DOCTOR!?” Lucy and Gray cried in surprise.
“Yep,” Chopper confirmed grinning gaining gaping looks from Fairy Tail’s strongest team although Natsu seemed more excited rather than surprise.
“Another talking Happy!” he laughed genuinely entertained.
“He’s not a cat though,” Happy and Lucy reprimanded having recovered from the shock. Happy and Chopper then seemed to study each other before deciding they would be great friend with a handshake.
“Well,I’m Luffy, I’m going to be the King of the pirates!” Luffy suddenly proclaimed.
“They’re pirates!?” our favorite mages would have never thought they’re new friends to be scavengers of the sea.
“Cool! Well we’re mages!” Natsu said not wanted his guild to be outshone by the crew whom he believed to be like a guild in a way.
“Mages?!” it was Nami, Chopper and Usopp turn to exclaim now.
“Awesome!” Luffy grinned, “show me some tricks then!”
“Yeah,” Chopper and Usopp enthusiastically agreed.
Further introductions ensued especially as Luffy and Chopper demonstrated their own abilities.
“I would’ve figured they’re mages as well, never heard of this devil fruit thing,” Lucy puzzled, “And you say they’re is even a skeleton?”
“You really don’t know? Where’d you come from, everyone knows of the legend of the devil fruits!” Nami questioned the blond.
“Well, you don’t know about guilds and mages I could ask you the same thing!” Lucy countered.
“Strange, it’s like we are from two totally different worlds,” Robin mused, “It’s like two different authors decided to make their own respective characters meet up,”
“Hey Luce this guy must be your cousin he’s all weird and your names are kind of the same,” Natsu called out to her smirking the whole time.
“Aye,” Happy giggled agreeing.
“Don’t come up with these weird things our names starting and ending with the same letters don’t mean we’re related!” Lucy angrily berated her teammates.
“Nami! Nami, this guy breaths fire like Ace used to!” Luffy said overjoyed, “he slays dragons isn’t that cool?!”
“Do that ice thing again Gray,” Usopp and Chopper asked in glee.
“No problem,” Gray boasted, “I can make even better stuff,”
Erza and Zolo in the meantime found they had their love for swords in common while Sanji promised Titania to make her the best strawberry shortcake ever known to man. This of course resulted in the blond and the swordsman to bicker.
The party soon ended though as a giant purple ape crushed the ground in front of the group.
“You dare enter my kingdom thus you shall receive punishment!” it roared before the pirates and mages could do anything but let their jaw drop to the ground albeit Luffy and Natsu who found it quite fun.
The ape snapped its fingers and suddenly a puff of smoke enveloped the group. When the smoke lifted our heroes couldn’t believe their eyes.


Luffy, Nami and Chopper from the Mugiwara also known as straw-hat pirates couldn’t believe their eyes and neither could Natsu, Lucy and Happy from the Fairy Tail guild. One minute they were chattering with each other getting to know their new friends and the next a giant purple ape which reminded Lucy of a Vulcan crushed, snapped its fingers and their friends were turned into tiny squirrels trapped in the cages the ape was holding.
“If you want your friends back, then come at the top of the Ryuu ruins and take them back like true men!”
“We’re women you idiot,” Nami and Lucy roared back.
“Hey Elfman this isn’t funny you ass!” Natsu grumbled, “Come back here!”
But it was too late the ape had already ran for the ruins and all that was left to do was save their friends.

“So much for the mission,” Lucy sighed and then started crying comically, “Waaah why does this always happen?!”
“I know how you feel,” Nami said shaking her head, “I’d better call some reinforcements…”
“I can’t believe Elfman!” Natsu said shouting in frustration, “Missions should be taken seriously!”
“Look who’s talking,” Lucy face palmed.
“I don’t think that’s Elfman…” Happy told Natsu.
“Hahahahaha, I knew this would be fun lets go beat up that gorilla!” Luffy said punching the air excitedly.
“WOOOOO, I’m all fired up let’s go Luffy,” Natsu agreed as they knuckled each other and ran ahead to the ruins.
“And then the idiots left…” Nami and Lucy sighed setting off after the others.
When they finally reached the boys they were looking for a way to get in the ruins.
“They’re no stairs, ugh, fine,” Natsu said, “Happy let’s fly up!”
“Awesome! It’s a flying cat!” Chopper and Luffy pointed excitedly as Happy and Natsu flew to the top of the ruins.
“Umm guys,” Lucy called, “It appears that there’s an elevator…”
“Huh?” the rest replied.
The elevator was even incorporated with a sound system and inside Lucy and the strawhats began feeling the strangeness of the island.
“This is weird, right?” Lucy asked.
“Definitely,” Nami nodded.
“I think it’s fun” Luffy laughed.
“I think it’s scary,” Chopper whimpered as Lucy patted him trying to give him courage.
Meanwhile Natsu arrived at the top and a ‘ding’ resounded behind him.
“AAAAAA, there was an elevator and you didn’t tell me?!” Natsu fumed, “Luce you’re mean!”
“AYE!” Happy chimed in.
“You just charged off on yourself don’t blame me!” Lucy shrieked back.
“Guys, stop fighting and help us!” a squirrel in Erza’s armor shouted and those still human, “This is embarresing I mus say,”
“Robin-swan, Erza-swan you still look beautiful,” a squirrel with a blond fringe chippered.
“I can’t cut anything with these toothpicks,” Zoro growled at his resized swords.
Robin remained silent in a corner altogether.
“This is NOT normal…” the squirrel Usopp with a green bandana said.
“On the plus side we know where the sword is and there’s a bonus,” Gray squirrel nodded towards a mountain of treasure behind them and the sword resting on a golden altar.
“Look out!” they screamed as three dragons descended the green and orange that had pursued them inside the ruins and a familiar purple one who addressed them.
“You made it up here but now you must face our fury,” he laughed maniacally.
Too bad he was up against Salamander the fire dragon’s slayer and Luffy the future king of the pirates.
“Okay grab the sword from the altar, save the others and beat these dragons!” Natsu planned.
“No, beat the dragons first!” Lucy corrected, “That should break the spell and THEN we can take the sword and maybe some gold coins…”
“50-50?” Nami offered her hand.
“Deal,” The blond replied.
“Luffy get rid of the dragon I’ll get the treasure, “ Nami sang happily.
“You won’t ever…”the green and orange began but Luffy and Natsu were too quick.
“Gomu Gomu RED HAWK,” Luffy jumped into action punching the green dragon on his muzzle and sending him flying into a pillar a great deal of smoke then rose from it.
“That was too quick!” Lucy marveled at Luffy’s inhumane strength and then she noticed the water coming from a fountain.
“Crimson Lotus: Fire Dragon Fist,” Natsu followed each punch dealt to the orange dragon
“You’re inhumane!” Nami exclaimed as she packed the treasure.
“WHAT?” The purple dragon exclaimed tears forming at its eyes.
“Might as well help out, Open Gate to the water bearer! AQUARIUS,” Lucy called her most powerful spirit.
“You’re not a real dragon are you,” she grinned at the twitchy purple dragon.
“Shape shifters, makes sense,” Nami chimed in.
“Just SAVE US” the squirrels burst.
“Aquarius!” Lucy gave the signal.
“With pleasure,” the spirit smiled back amiably causing Lucy to step back frightened.
“WHAT?!” Lucy cried in shock and surprise as Aquarius shot a giant Tsunami at the purple dragon alone.
“Eat this,” Nami helped out adding thunder to the water increasing its power.
“YOU DID IT,” their companions cheered.
“And our mission is over,” Gray said grabbing the sword.
The three dragons had vanished in a puff of smoke leaving only three little kids who were obviously mages.
“We only wanted to have some fun,” The carrot haired girl named Orange said.
“Sorry,” her brother Green apologized.
“Yeah, we’re all alone here so it’s no fun,” the eldest Purple grinned.
“We’re here to save you!” a cry came from a robotic thousand sunny suddenly raining from the sky was heard. On its chest was the emblem of the straw-hat pirates while it head was the thousand sunny’s Lion figurehead.
“You’re late!” Nami berated.
“Is that thing even possible,” Happy objected.
“Who cares it’s too amazing for logic, HAHA,” Natsu chuckled.
“Oh yes, since that’s because it’s all a dream,” Lucy sighed.
“Huh?” was the response from the rest.
“Why else is Aquarius being nice…” Lucy said pointing to the mermaid hugging her.
“Luce,” Natsu said taking her hand, “Marry me…”
“…”
“…”
“WHAT?” I shouted getting up from the table I had been sleeping on and falling onto the floor.
“Cana, you’re alright?” Lucy asked me worriedly.
“Did I take the fairy tail special yesterday at the party?” I asked guessing where the dream had come from.
“Yeah, twelve of them,” Lucy sweat dropped, “you know Natsu and the Master make that, I don’t think you should…”
“Yeah, NEVER again,” I laughed shakily shivering from the dream, “A marathon of One Piece, twelve of those things and the sexual tension between you and Natsu can’t be healthy for me,”
The now awakened guild laughed at my joke wholeheartedly as Lucy turned a cherry red.
“Heeeey! ” the blond protested not in the least amused .
“Haha weird Luce is funny,” natsu giggled placing his arm round her shoulders.
“You’re not helping, Natsu!” Lucy angrily punched him on his chest but soon joined in the laughter of this new guild. She needed it especially now in this time of loss when seven lost years had left them with a lingering weight in their hearts.

[benelori]

@RaveDragon...I will move copy the contents of the prediction to the review thread itself...please check the thread out, and while we submit out own works, please give us UR ideas...UR the most knowledgeable about FT around, so UR help would be appreciated:thumbs

[kdowns]

Which review would you rather I work on. And How are we going to do the OP chapter if there is no chapter next week or are we doing a set chapter?

[benelori]

Which review would you rather I work on. And How are we going to do the OP chapter if there is no chapter next week or are we doing a set chapter?

There was an OP chapter this week, so fortunately we have time with that...I would suggest FT for you, since we have few people to work with...check out the thread and pick a section, or sections, you would like to contribute to

[alphabeta]

:fail @ me, for forgetting there's no OP chapter next week

[scav]

im tempted to review gantz cuz breaker is on hiatus, but i gotta catch up :XD

[benelori]

im tempted to review gantz cuz breaker is on hiatus, but i gotta catch up :XD

Do you need a hand? Cuz I think the next batch of reviews should contain at least one seinen title...

[alphabeta]

Do you need a hand? Cuz I think the next batch of reviews should contain at least one seinen title...

yeah, I agree. We need Seinen.

However I suggest Liar Game instead. :teehee

[RaveDragon]

@RaveDragon...I will move copy the contents of the prediction to the review thread itself...please check the thread out, and while we submit out own works, please give us UR ideas...UR the most knowledgeable about FT around, so UR help would be appreciated:thumbs

okay NP if you wanna ask any questions go ahead ^^

[dark lord]

rave, what do you think about writing the predictions section for FT review. you're into FT, so you should be able to gues what happens next. Or do you want another section?

I wouldn't mind writing something on FT. It's the only one I'm current with, so it should work well.

[alphabeta]

I wouldn't mind writing something on FT. It's the only one I'm current with, so it should work well.

whaddya say about art corner?

[Bugzee]

You guys might have a problem with the current voting poll. There are a few titles with three votes but the tally states that only two people have voted. Thought I would just let you guys know. Maybe an error of some sort!? =/

I would like to see Team B have a go at an Air Gear review. It would be interesting to gain a new insight on this manga from several reviewers working together on this project. It could also help persuade new and old readers to give the manga a go. I'm sure the AG fans on MH would appreciate it considering the current state of the section. =)

[scav]

Do you need a hand? Cuz I think the next batch of reviews should contain at least one seinen title...
help is always welcome :) u have a pattern to suggest so we can together on it?

[alphabeta]

You guys might have a problem with the current voting poll. There are a few titles with three votes but the tally states that only two people have voted. Thought I would just let you guys know. Maybe an error of some sort!? =/

I would like to see Team B have a go at an Air Gear review. It would be interesting to gain a new insight on this manga from several reviewers working together on this project. It could also help persuade new and old readers to give the manga a go. I'm sure the AG fans on MH would appreciate it considering the current state of the section. =)

Thanks for pointing out. We are aware of the problem, however it seems this case was forgotten since the poll has lost it's meaning >_>.

And yeah, I agree on AG. I'll try to convince my fellow reviewers to work on that. :thumbs

[RaveDragon]

Wow just saw the Ft Joint review it looks so so complete :wtf

[benelori]

One Joint review is done, well done guys, and as you've seen, both alpha and I made some threads....the reason why Berserk is sticked, is because it's the only one that has chapter scanned and out. As others will appear, the respective threads will be sticked.

[alphabeta]

One Joint review is done, well done guys, and as you've seen, both alpha and I made some threads....the reason why Berserk is sticked, is because it's the only one that has chapter scanned and out. As others will appear, the respective threads will be sticked.

'kay. But I'll move HxH and Bakuman to the next week. First we gotta finish the OP one.

---------- Post added November 15, 2011 at 12:15 AM ---------- Previous post was November 12, 2011 at 09:29 PM ----------

Guys, I have some news for you. I’m going on a break from MH, and obviously I won’t be able to participate in the Alliance, much less than organize any Joint Reviews anymore.

Thus, I am resigning from the post of chairman of the Reviewer Alliance.

And with that, the RA also needs a new leader. But I won’t be appointing anyone. I’ll leave this task up to you guys. Make an election and discuss between yourself, who’s best fitted for this position.


Make me see some nice Joint Reviews once I’ll comeback. :super

Best of luck

[benelori]

New poll is up. It's multiple choice, so please pick anything you like. Don't forget that if you would like to suggest a certain series, please do it, and I will add it to the next poll.

Also don't forget that we are not limited to Chapter reviews, we can do manga reviews, or any other type that this section offers(character, plot, etc...)

For example, I would really like to see the Artists doing and Art review.

[Googlez_kun]

New poll is up. It's multiple choice, so please pick anything you like. Don't forget that if you would like to suggest a certain series, please do it, and I will add it to the next poll.

Also don't forget that we are not limited to Chapter reviews, we can do manga reviews, or any other type that this section offers(character, plot, etc...)

For example, I would really like to see the Artists doing and Art review.

That would actually be quite interesting.Wonder whether we should make an art review about a whole volume or an entire series.We would need to think about it a bit more,but the idea itself sounds nice.

[Josef K.]

I would go for an "arc art review", for me generally art tends to differ between series, when it comes to long running ones, the feeling is always there that kind of gets better, but at the same time you miss some old aspects of it. Further more about characters as I said I chose two characters for two reviews like Isma and Hody, would these be separate from the entire review?

I voted for Gantz, though I would personally like for that review to be a general manga review, art and everything, the current arc is not my favorite. And shoujo/josei get the the least attention it seems, we should look into that.

[Googlez_kun]

Well,it depends on the series of course.Naruto for example would be very interesting,as Kishi changed art styles quite often,sometimes even from arc to arc.Other manga-ka developed an art-style they liked and stick to it like Naoki Urasawa,which would make an arc art review rather pointless.Guess we can decide depending on the series.

Is there anyone else interested in doing an art review?

[RaveDragon]

I think the new popular series should be given a chance as well something liked like Beelzebub or maybe something with potential like Magico ^^

[Josef K.]

Well this place is dead huh? Come on guys we need to do the One Piece review! The next chapter is drawing ever so closer, we still need volunteers for it!

[Jammin]

FYI, Scav and I are doing joint reviews for Breaker NWs and Noblesse this week.

The Breaker one is finished and released, so any who are interested in reading it can do so here. (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/74126-Chapter-51-review-by-scav-Jammin) The Noblesse one should be out Tuesday or Wednesday.

[alphabeta]

scav, please, organize JR's through the Reviewer Alliance, not through PMs :shifty

[benelori]

scav, please, organize JR's through the Reviewer Alliance, not through PMs :shifty

I think it's good that people experiment with each other and try out stuff...important thing is that reviews get delivered on time

[alphabeta]

I think it's good that people experiment with each other and try out stuff...important thing is that reviews get delivered on time

I'm happy that a review appeared. I just said that if this review would have been made public in this RA, more people might have joined. For all I know scav PM'ed specific people (me included >_>) and proposed a review.

See what I mean?

[Jammin]

I'm happy that a review appeared. I just said that if this review would have been made public in this RA, more people might have joined. For all I know scav PM'ed specific people (me included >_>) and proposed a review.

See what I mean? Well the issue there is that it was never intended as a larger group project. So I don't think either of us particularly wanted more people to join in. It was basically a 2 person thing, and PM's were a fine way to handle that. If either of us had wanted to make it a larger project we would have done it through Reviewer Alliance threads, as that would just have been the practical way to do it.

Frankly, with a small project like this using the reviewer alliance threads would have been an unnecessary complication.

[benelori]

I'm happy that a review appeared. I just said that if this review would have been made public in this RA, more people might have joined. For all I know scav PM'ed specific people (me included >_>) and proposed a review.

See what I mean?

That's not really a problem, as Jammin explained above...

[alphabeta]

I'm just a RA freak who wants everything to be done through it >_>

[scav]

alright i'll try post here next time :super
well writing the noblesse review with jammin atm

[alphabeta]

Well, this project has died. But I still believe that the idea of Joint Reviews and the Reviewer Alliance is a good one.

So... I made a small list of things that have to be done in order to make the RA succesfull in case anyone will ever want to revive this thing.

And someone better will :pwnge


1st Team Positions

The RA needs a clear structure of who is who. It neads at least one chief who is in charge of everything and depending on how many future reviewers may want to join, a number of additional sub-chiefs.


2nd Individual Tasks

Just like the chief is responsible for the RA administration, the Joint Reviews need a similiar way of handling things. Every participant, be that a reviewer, artist or writer needs to know exactly what he/she has to do and the respective deadline for the task.


3rd Continuation

This is probably the most important goal that has to be achieved. Joint Reviews have to come out regularly without interruptions. If it's hard to make them weekly, make them bi-weekly. If it's hard to make them bi-weekly, make them monthly. It is important to get things going. Once JRs start coming out on a regular monthly/bi-weekly/weekly basis things will get smoother automatically. It is always possible to increase the speed of the production of JRs. But first you start monthly, then you go bi-weekly, then weekly and so on.




That's it. The basic concept. If anyone will want to revive this project he or she is free to bring any innovations of his/her own, but those are the basic principles which have to be done or the RA will never work.

My best wishes to anyone who will revive the Reviewer Alliance. :super

[alphabeta]

Why am I not surprised that I am the one reviving my own project? /deep sigh

Anyway, I'm starting low and local, so there will be a Joint Review for a future Bakuman chapter, most likely 168, and my motto is to recruit new faces anyway, but if anyone from the old folks wants to join you know what to do.

Here's (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/75325-Joint-Review-of-Bakuman-168-xxx) the thread for the JR, for the record.

---------- Post added February 19, 2012 at 03:51 PM ---------- Previous post was February 18, 2012 at 01:48 AM ----------

I feel like I'm talking to a wall :scry

Anyway, there will be a Bleach JR (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/75353-Joint-Review-of-Bleach-483-xxx), most likely for chapter 483, somewhere in march, so if someone wants to join, just say it here or in that thread. :super

Also, I've pretty much gathered everyone for the Bakuman JR. :pleased

[Quantized]

Hey Alpha, I noticed this thread as well, wasn't aware it existed until now :3

Forgive me for my Very large post, but I think it might be important read considering what has happened with activity.

I do study Organization Behaviour; Theory, Design & Change as subject in my main study.
Marketing is still something I'm under way in though :3
Anyway I will gladly share some knowledge on the area, and without trying to sound rude, you can decide whether you can use it or not :)
In such a way, I'm not saying this is the only way, I'm only trying to reflect on the issue.

(Did the Organization have a name change btw? Joint / Alliance?).

First of, it's quite a logical subject, many things you will think "oh but of course!!", however there are so many of them, that it can be hard to compile them all in practice without training. As such, keep trying and it'll be burned into your memory.

It would probably fill up a book writing details and why it is as such, but I'd recommend not growing too much in the beginning.
Meant as, Organizations that grows fast are much more in risk of falling apart than Organizations that grow slowly.
Needless to say, it doesn't mean one can't organize ones culture, inner workings and market really fast, the important note to keep in mind is Organizational size (people).
I highlight the growth issue in blue and red down below, and what happens to Organizations as they grow.
Slow growth reaches maturity faster, it sounds like a paradox (and why many Organizations fail), but it's often a good idea to reach a certain amount of maturity before concerning one self too much about expanding/growth.
Getting through the blue/red is considered the survival phases, in order to become a mature Organization.

An IMPORTANT aspect to keep in mind for Organizations to start up without falling apart is the crisis that occurs through all Organizations.
Blue is the none crisis, as such which is working in the Organization. Blue is roughly the result of overcoming the previously crisis in red.

In this order:
Creativity ---> Leadership
Direction ---> Autonomy
Delegation---> Control
Coordination ---> Red Tape
Collaboration ---> (This is science still in development, so far it' stops here.)

Leadership issues often occurs when there is too much work for one man, therefore one often finds a good manager.
The second crisis occurs with too much direct hierarchy control, and as such the answer is Autonomy. Splitting the Organization up in teams, where each team has a manager reporting to a manager higher up in hierarchy.
The 3rd crisis is very dangerous, when solving the 2nd crisis, it creates a new problem.
Hereby giving away responsibility to lower ranked managers, they tend to run the show without concern of the companies goals, major goals, direction and resources.
Many Organizations do a grave mistake, trying to reverse back the solution in the 2nd crisis, which quickly make everything very unstable due to the large Organization (few can't do all the work).
As such it's important to use Coordination skills, making sure your managers do their job. If not, fire em, mewhahaha!!! (sadistic, I know >:3)
The fourth crisis occurs when there is too much control or paper work between top and low managers, too many rules, too many programs and rigid systems.
What is important here is to give more freedom to low managers, and reward them for their success, this will motivate the lower manager, and he'll also be much more creative and Innovative. Solving problems on the lower levels where the problems occur is essential, they don't need to reach top management (Thus why recruitment is important, especially managers).
The fifth crisis is the yet to be solved, many of the largest companies / Organizations in the world today are still in this crisis of evolution/revolution stage, and as such no official solution has yet been found.
The crisis reach its climax when there is too much teamwork, too much insensitivity, too much expected of you, too much work. You got a large bunch of papers on your disk, or too many meetings...
There is no official solution, this is a major problem in the United States at the moment in the Financial Crisis, so there is little focus on actual Organization crisis.
In Europe however some has started to implant solutions, as such you need to take care of the individual worker, low/high manager.
Send them out and do sports, free time together with other workers while being paid.
Reduce some work, make it more efficient so less work is required.
The ultimate goal here is so that the person in the Organization gets to rest, reflect and revitalize. You may call it recharge and reset as well if one needs a technical specification.

This applies to all Organizations, while I have to admit this is on very large scale and this is a forum community, it still contains quite a lot of usefulness and practical usage in creating a structure and keeping it active.
I'd imagine Mangahelpers has been through similar crisis issues, since it's very mature for an online community this day today, however as I can see, Mangahelpers went through a very fast growth from start, which was risky.
But the creator most have had quite some experience in order to pull it off successfully.
I don't know much about Mangahelpers history, it would actually be really sweet if a Mod or Admin wrote about it one day :3

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Another important aspect is the recruitment, recruiting the wrong kind of people can have grave consequences.
For example if they don't do their job probably, are late, don't show up at all, or simply spreads a negative atmosphere etc.
It's often a big problem for Organizations, very few are actually good at recruiting exactly who they need, as result, many people get fired, if not does a low performance, or worse fail completely as an Organization. Sounds pretty logical, right? The funny thing is, as easy and simple it sounds, many Organizations don't hire the right people for the job.

Philosophy - Food for thought:
Fire the bad performance, it does not matter if it was your fault for hiring the wrong person for the job or the person failed to live up to their specializations, the person has to be fired.
If you don't fire the person, then the whole Organization will have a knife at it's throat, it simply won't work.
But one has to keep in mind that one can fire people in a nice way, there is no need to hurt people in the process. Many often ask what they did wrong when fired, however sometimes it's really the Organizations fault that they got fired, and not their own.
Especially when most Organizations don't know what's going on in their own ranks, bad middle manager etc. people get fired despite of their potential.
So yes, it's a double issue.
In the end, it's almost always the Organizations fault that the person is unneeded when firing someone, to more or less degree.
They could have hired the right from the start, or had better control so they didn't have to cut down departments.
Sometimes people get hired for something they're not good at, and thus when fired, they feel stupid when they really should not. This was the Organizations fault.

I hope you could use some of this information, I realize you probably know a lot of it already, but sometimes it can be good to discuss things.

Once more, I'm reeeeally sorry for this large post :gwah

[alphabeta]

I only usually say this in PMs, but, Cez, thanks for your effort in writing that post, I'll answer later. :super

[benelori]

Can I suggest working on a small set of series until the team members get to know each other, and work out their strengths and weaknesses? Sort of like weekly releases of the Joint Reviews...or at least regular releases...and only after that expand to another series

[alphabeta]

Can I suggest working on a small set of series until the team members get to know each other, and work out their strengths and weaknesses? Sort of like weekly releases of the Joint Reviews...or at least regular releases...and only after that expand to another series

That... was my plan. :shifty

I figure that with blackjack and underscore bringing reviews on a regular basis, we could wait a little with JR for those two sections. That leaves us currently with Bakuman (weekly) and D.GM (monthly). That's why I already sent out a couple of invitational PMs for a FT review. If I get enough positive replies I'll add FT to that list.

---------- Post added February 26, 2012 at 01:34 AM ---------- Previous post was February 25, 2012 at 04:26 PM ----------

Reviewer Status back. Just wanted to mention it :gar

[benelori]

Just a quick reminder that Joint Reviews don't need to be just chapter reviews...I encourage everyone to write manga reviews as well, using the new templates and review types. Not simple/ spoiler free reviews though...those are too short for a team effort

[Quantized]

Just a quick reminder that Joint Reviews don't need to be just chapter reviews...I encourage everyone to write manga reviews as well, using the new templates and review types. Not simple/ spoiler free reviews though...those are too short for a team effort

That is an interesting idea indeed, like for example in Bleach it would be good timing to make a review on the whole new arc and where it's heading :3
D.Gray-Man also has a fresh start (if you can call a few months fresh lol), we could work on that as well.

Also I agree about not making too many new teams right now, could be a good idea to get these up and run probably first :)

---------- Post added at 06:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:08 PM ----------

About the thread issue, and our discussion on them.

An example based on what Alpha and I discussed a bit before it was suggested to pull the discussion onto the forums instead; (Thread names here are only to make their function clear)

Data thread ~ Official thread
~ Who is/can do what, positions, abilities (artist/designer or something else), news, activity (request time off/on teams), discuss changing in the Alliance ~
-- This thread could for example be meant for data and important messages that othervice easily could get lost in a mega thread, the purpose is to keep it packed with serious important messages, an original post edited with most important data.
Furthermore, the reason why it's a good idea to split data and social apart from each others is to help activity and also so both areas don't showcase off-topic discussions on each others, and both threads promote people's interest to post if they have a clear goal/fun or interest. --

Social thread ~ Whole Alliance
~ Where the Alliance can get to know each others across different teams as well as within teams ~
-- This thread could be meant to create ties between the members, promoting activity through having a good time together or the other way around. The teams don't really interact with each others, some very little with themselves, this should preferably change so that we all know each others.
Basically on technical terms, helping making this a success. On social terms, so people can have a good time while we're here. --

Serious discussions/data threads and fun/getting to know each other threads don't go so well hand in hand, that's why we think it's a good idea to split them up.

Sub Threads ~ Team based
~ Basically each teams work stations, pretty much as it already is working ~
-- No changes needed --


Alpha did you have something else in mind or additions?
Basing this on our discussion, not necessary what was 100% talked through on afterall.

[scav]

are u guys interested in making a review for a seinen?
gantz, vinland saga( monthly and have a shitload of pages, perfect for a JR )

[alphabeta]

are u guys interested in making a review for a seinen?
gantz, vinland saga( monthly and have a shitload of pages, perfect for a JR )

Monthly, you say... :mono

Seinen isn't the most popular section around MH, but I think we should give it a shot with Vinland. Though, that would be after we get a stable weekly release of our current series.

---------- Post added at 11:27 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:20 AM ----------


Just a quick reminder that Joint Reviews don't need to be just chapter reviews...I encourage everyone to write manga reviews as well, using the new templates and review types. Not simple/ spoiler free reviews though...those are too short for a team effort

Tbh, I don't how to approach them. :sweatdrop

I mean, speaking in terms of "normal reviews" me, black, underscore, etc. have some experience, but when it comes down to volume/character/art reviews we're practically speaking n00bs. And on top of that make a JR with a new format? :headscratch

[blade5468]

Alright, the joint review was a lot of fun to make. Just wanted to let you know I'm not going to be participating in the Reviewer Alliance, it was fun but I don't see myself doing it too often. I'm going to focus my free time on trying to make a manga instead, since that's currently my goal.
Have fun reviewing stuff, guys.

[alphabeta]

Alright, the joint review was a lot of fun to make. Just wanted to let you know I'm not going to be participating in the Reviewer Alliance, it was fun but I don't see myself doing it too often. I'm going to focus my free time on trying to make a manga instead, since that's currently my goal.
Have fun reviewing stuff, guys.


:gwah

That's sad news. I hope you'll come back after you finish the manga :shakefist

[blade5468]

Just wanted to add, alpha: If I do create a full story, I'm totally going to be begging you to review it. But yeah, have fun, I'm out.

[FrostyMouse]

Subscribes, but not with a cool pic.

[alphabeta]

Subscribes, but not with a cool pic.


http://troll.me/images/boromir/one-does-not-simply-not-post-cool-pic-as-first-post.jpg

Anyway, for starters I'll need your timezone in a gmt format, for future deadlines.

That aside, what do you think about the pace of future Bakuman JRs? Should we make them weekly, or make a little break and go bi-weekly at the beginning?

[benelori]

are u guys interested in making a review for a seinen?
gantz, vinland saga( monthly and have a shitload of pages, perfect for a JR )

Gantz would be the best, it's the most popular seinen section, if that's the criterium, but the poll's winner was also Gantz....so if you want to team of for something then I suggest Gantz

[alphabeta]

Gantz would be the best, it's the most popular seinen section, if that's the criterium, but the poll's winner was also Gantz....so if you want to team of for something then I suggest Gantz

IMHO, Gantz would be suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper dificult to review. We occasionally see some two-three speech bubbles throughout the whole chapter, I've forgotten when I saw the last decent cliffhanger and every chapter has just so little actual story development I honestly don't know how it's possible to make a review out of it.

Making a Gantz Volume/Character/Art JR on the other hand seems plausible.

---------- Post added at 09:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:32 PM ----------

Oh, yeah, bene, please close the Bakuman JR Thread.

[Googlez_kun]

A Gantz art review would be interesting to say the least.I'd have some points to address.

[Quantized]

A Gantz art review would be interesting to say the least.I'd have some points to address.

Hey Googlez_kun ,
I think a Gantz art review seems quite possible, and certainly cool to have.
Would be great to have a good artist like you on the team :3

We're still discussing whether it will be best to start new teams within short term or long term periods though, this is up to Alpha to decide.
However as volunteers comes up, it might look better for a Gantz art team on short term start up.

Out of curiosity, do you like to review the art work on other mangas as well? Say, for example Bleach, or any other on the MH board?
or is it Gantz that drives you? :^_^

[Googlez_kun]

Hey Googlez_kun ,
I think a Gantz art review seems quite possible, and certainly cool to have.
Would be great to have a good artist like you on the team :3

We're still discussing whether it will be best to start new teams within short term or long term periods though, this is up to Alpha to decide.
However as volunteers comes up, it might look better for a Gantz art team on short term start up.

Out of curiosity, do you like to review the art work on other mangas as well? Say, for example Bleach, or any other on the MH board?
or is it Gantz that drives you? :^_^

Wouldn't say Gantz really drives me.In fact,the points I needed to address were of rather negative nature.So yeah,Bleach is good as well.Might as well work on any manga that has interesting art.

[alphabeta]

I don't know how about you, Cez, but I prefer using nicknames. Makes life easier. Thus, remember. Googlez_kun ------> Googz. I seriously think we need a list of nicknames in the OP.

Speaking of OP. It's about time we switch from the purely reviewing aspect of the RA to the organizational one. And the first step would be a reorganized OP. So, first question. How should the new OP look like? Tell me what you guys think about that.

Also, as you probably already noticed we had a rather actively posting Cezgeth roaming around. There's a scientific explanation to this phenomena. It's because we decided that we'll be running this RA project together. Meeeh, you could describe us both as "admins" speaking in terms of MH staff. So, if you have any questions / suggestions / whatever about the RA or Joint Reviews you can contact either me or Cez. :super

---------- Post added at 10:02 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:42 AM ----------

Also, I think we're ready to go weekly with Bakuman starting from 170. I might do a 169 standalone, but I'm not sure.

[benelori]

We always tackle a review by separating parts like plot, character, art, etc....

It would be cool if there would be a mainly art review, and derive the rest from the it...like if there are different character interactions and facial expressions, after analyzing those, we could question stuff like...is that said character acting in character, or how can we define that character based on the interactions and facial expression...is that character expressive or not...

If we take a quick look at paneling, then conclusions can be thought of in the territory of pacing, intensity of the developments etc...
Commentary on angles would generate a discussion around the fighting, for example...

And these are just some of the points that an mainly art review could help us with...I'm up for a project like this, if Googz would like to give it a go, I would like to take care of the individual analysis parts...

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So...it's not that hard to review a chapter of Gantz, that's all I was trying to say here

[k-dom]

Hi, I'm Kdom

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Joke aside, alphabeta asked me to come here and since I'm a nice guy I do.
I'm French (GMT+1), I have never made review, but alphabeta thinks I can contribute to your awesome project. My English is far from perfect so I apologize for those who will need to correct me.
Concerning manga/manhwa I read all types of them as soon as they entertain me. Most of you probably know me from the One Piece or the Manhwa forums.
Now I will start reading more in detail all this wonderful work you guys have made and see how I can contribute in that stuff.

[alphabeta]

Hi, I'm Kdom

Before bene deletes this obviously 1liner.

I asked k-dom and Airget to work with me on the FT Joint Review, and while we're busy with the Bleach and D.GM review I told them to come over to this place and introuduce themselves. No spam here. :mono

Anyway, k-dom, do you have any nicknames, btw? ;)

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I should wait a couple minutes before replying to a post :fail

[k-dom]

Well it's short enough so I don't have nickname that I'm awared off. You can skip the '-'. Just Dom is ok too.

[FrostyMouse]

http://troll.me/images/boromir/one-does-not-simply-not-post-cool-pic-as-first-post.jpg

Anyway, for starters I'll need your timezone in a gmt format, for future deadlines.

That aside, what do you think about the pace of future Bakuman JRs? Should we make them weekly, or make a little break and go bi-weekly at the beginning?

Right, I was supposed to post here, wasn't I?

For the moment, I'm GMT +1.

I'm all for weekly JRs for Bakuman.

Um, I'm not really that sure what to do about the OP though.

[Jammin]

Howdy everybody, alphabeta wanted me to drop in now and again to offer my not-so-sagely advice to you guys who are just jumping into reviewing.

I have 3 few basic bits of advice for you....
(and allow me to preface my advice with a recommendation, and this is important, "Ignore my advice!":verily)

1st
Focus on clarity when writing. If your reviewing "art" for example don't let other aspects of the chapter creep in too much. Separate those thoughts as much as possible and they will be easier to clearly convey to others.

2nd
Be as silly as possible as often as possible. Seriously. Wait that's a paradox.......http://www.laymark.com/l/o/20.gif

3rd
Proofread! Revise! Proofread! Basically read through what you have written fix mistakes, cut out or trim down any sections that seem to run long, and then do it over again. It may sound obvious but when you write many reviews it's really easy to get lazy. You have to consciously guard against that(or at least I do).

[alphabeta]

I just wanted to close the topic of a Reviewer Alliance section. The concept is simple. There are a lot of ideas that could be made into seperate threads going as far as making a RA only Member Zone, but every single one of this ideas bene's going to counter with "That can be organized in this HQ Thread". To make things clear. He is correct. It is possible to organize everything in this thread.

Theoratically.

Just like it is theoratically possible to turn every single MH section with all it's sub-sections and millions of threads into one gigantic mega HQ Thread. That's why if we look rationally at it, a RA section will appear once this HQ Thread will not be able to provide enough organizational possibilites, in other words when there will be too many reviewers and Joint Reviews organized in it. Right now we have a total of 5 people more or less regularly posting in this thread and 3 current Joint Review projects out of which only one is ready to go weekly. I think that by the time we hit 6-7 weekly Joint Reviews, that will automatically result in somewhere over 20-30 people spamming this HQ Thread, what in its turn will require a seperate section or else it will be impossible to organize any Joint Reviews at all.

[FrostyMouse]

I'd more or less agree with that, alpha. By the way, if it matters, considering that Jammin was talking about proofreading, it's theoretically, not theoratically. Using Firefox will help with those tiny misspellings. :P

I'm down with doing a Bakuman 169 JR, but for the moment, I'm not sure if it's just the two of us. We do need a review now that the chapter's out and all.

[alphabeta]

I'd more or less agree with that, alpha. By the way, if it matters, considering that Jammin was talking about proofreading, it's theoretically, not theoratically. Using Firefox will help with those tiny misspellings. :P

I'm down with doing a Bakuman 169 JR, but for the moment, I'm not sure if it's just the two of us. We do need a review now that the chapter's out and all.

I think it's better to start with 170. Scav and OtakuModeEngage should be on the team by that time as well.

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We're low on FT reviewers :ninja

Anyone from the current players wants to join a FT review?

[FrostyMouse]

I think it's better to start with 170. Scav and OtakuModeEngage should be on the team by that time as well.

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We're low on FT reviewers :ninja

Anyone from the current players wants to join a FT review?

All right. I have the time to do a 169, and I'd probably prefer if we did one, but if you'd rather not, I'm fine with not...

I would help with FT, but I'm entirely too jaded about FT. I mean, I read FT each week, but I think the writing's too poor for words for large periods of times. For example, the whole debacle with Obra and the cheating Lucy of her win. Then, after having made Lucy look badass, Mashima turns her back into fanservice girl in the next chapter...

[alphabeta]

All right. I have the time to do a 169, and I'd probably prefer if we did one, but if you'd rather not, I'm fine with not...

I would help with FT, but I'm entirely too jaded about FT. I mean, I read FT each week, but I think the writing's too poor for words for large periods of times. For example, the whole debacle with Obra and the cheating Lucy of her win. Then, after having made Lucy look badass, Mashima turns her back into fanservice girl in the next chapter...

There wasn't a 169 JR due to the lack of participants. Blade left and KD is absent... kinda. :ninja

Theoratically we could write an FT review with three people, but I'd like to have more. If I don't manage to recruit more people by monday, we're going with three people.

[FrostyMouse]

There wasn't a 169 JR due to the lack of participants. Blade left and KD is absent... kinda. :ninja

Theoratically we could write an FT review with three people, but I'd like to have more. If I don't manage to recruit more people by monday, we're going with three people.

I was suggesting that we could throw one together in just a few minutes, but...

For the last time, it's theoretically, alpha. :P

I'd help you with the FT JR, but it would come with a jaded opinion of FT.

[alphabeta]

I was suggesting that we could throw one together in just a few minutes, but...

For the last time, it's theoretically, alpha. :P

I'd help you with the FT JR, but it would come with a jaded opinion of FT.

Cool, I'll add you to the FT review.

About my typos. I agree that it's better to write without them, but a) I'm using Chrome and I have no intentions of switching to FF; b) excusez-moi, but those kind of typographic errors are minor details that nobody pays attention to, compared to the huge amount of information one receives when reading a review.

Typos are allowed as long as they don't "hurt the eye".

[FrostyMouse]

Cool, I'll add you to the FT review.

About my typos. I agree that it's better to write without them, but a) I'm using Chrome and I have no intentions of switching to FF; b) excusez-moi, but those kind of typographic errors are minor details that nobody pays attention to, compared to the huge amount of information one receives when reading a review.

Typos are allowed as long as they don't "hurt the eye".

lol :P

Of course they don't hurt the eye, but I was just joking around because of Jammin's speech about proofreading. ;)

[alphabeta]

Fine, looks like we'll be doing FT with 3 people. Frosty, k-dom, please make a post in the FT review thread to subsribe, we'll discuss everything else over there.

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I just wanted to turns everyone attention to this post (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/75639-Reviews-and-Reviewers?highlight=), which I posted in the Suggestions & Feedback section. It touches directly on the topic of Joint Reviews, reviewer statuses and stuff like that.

[Quantized]

Ohoy !
Sorry that I have been away for some days, a lot of things happened. If I had to tell it all, I would have to make a loooong post no one wants to read anyway ^_^

Will be popping in again very soon :)

[alphabeta]

1 good news, 1 bad news.

I gathered a whole team of Naruto specialists, which means that to the current series we're already reviewing, Naruto will be also added. Thus, the Reviewer Alliance has reached a milestone of 5 series! :onoz

That's only in theory. My good old friend McFate recently reminded me that aside from having to organize Joint Reviews, I also have to organize a real life. That means that all future JRs, except the current D.GM review, are put on hiatus.

Now, to make things clear. This does not mean that there never will be Joint Reviews in the future. This means that I will not be around to organize them. Theoretically, this place only needs another "captain" who will organize them in my place. Such a person could be bene, such a person could be Cez. Are they gonna accept the job?

I dunno LOL ( ¯\(°_o)/¯ )

I'll make a small update to the OP. Also, here's the respective banners for the Bakuman and FT reviews, if someones gonna use them before I'll get back to business.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/shinakumax/bakubanner.png
made by shinsatsu

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d143/Bossing_1992/Graphics/MH/fairy_tail.jpg
banner made by Gintara


Still gotta PM the naruto guys abot this news... :faint

[Quantized]

that is sad news indeed, hope you won't be too much gone though, how much hiatus you think you'll need? Daily basis? short term, long term?

I'd have to say that I think Bene has much more forum experience than I have, both as a reviewer and as forum Organization.
That does not mean I push away responsibility to help out where I possibly can though, but would recommend Bene to make this work if he's up for it.

I'm sure we'll see some Berserk and Gants reviews in that case though :teehee

On a note, this won't eat so much time once it first works and runs on tracks. Lets get a few review teams on tracks and once everyone know what to do on each chapter release, it will be much easier for you Alpha.

Cheers for the hard work though !

[FrostyMouse]

Hmm, that is unfortunate, Alpha.

[alphabeta]

that is sad news indeed, hope you won't be too much gone though, how much hiatus you think you'll need? Daily basis? short term, long term?


I'm gonna take a break till my birthday, no sooner than that.

[Googlez_kun]

I'm gonna take a break till my birthday, no sooner than that.

Which means it'll last about a month,amirite?

[alphabeta]

Which means it'll last about a month,amirite?

More or less.

[kdowns]

I can help keeping the Bakuman JRs in check :3

[alphabeta]

Basically, we would have to switch to team captains sooner or later anyway, so right now a perfect chance to actually do this. KD could take over Bakuman, since he's so energetic, Cez - D.GM, Mattia - Bleach, Frosty - FT.

These are my first thoughts. :headscratch

[benelori]

I can help out with organizing the Joint Reviews...but someone needs to brief me on what the status is on the current reviews and such, or point me in the direction where I can take a look...

[Quantized]

I can help out with organizing the Joint Reviews...but someone needs to brief me on what the status is on the current reviews and such, or point me in the direction where I can take a look...

About that, how about a thread where we can update on going processes?

For example, we could make a data thread, where we and everyone can report, or captains if that works better, but the initial idea is that anyone having Intel on updates could post in it. It could work as a question thread as well, if more people got similar questions, it will be easy to make a FAQ or similar.

For example the main post of the thread could be updated with the important information, and the day to day business can be found on the latest posts in the thread.
Also when someone gives Intel, it would be nice with a link to specific posts of importance if possible to provide, to reduce the burden on everyone trying to get an overview, especially helpful for Alpha & benelori I think, but also for the others wanting to see how the teams are progressing.
This way, leadership don't have to check all the time, but only when updates arrive. If no updates arrives or bad updates arrive, one can take action.

The way I see it, reduce the burden on one/two men, and let everyone contribute, let it become a team with quality control, Alpha and benelori at the top, checking the work and quality.
Instead of having to go through everyone's work (which can be a major pain if big organizations), instead everyone will have to come to you with the work or work in progresses.

Seen this system work in any major Organizations I went through in my study.. Microsoft, Maersk, Lego, Danfoss etc. they all use it, for a good reason, imho :)

That does not mean that benelori or Alpha should not drop by to see how things are going, but less interference.
This will help them greatly in reducing work on them, and they get more time for quality checking, as well as teams who will become more innovative and creative because they feel boosted by own management. Getting the chance to show what they can do. (It works in practice, yet to be seen in forums though).
I believe it was Bill Gates who made this system accessible for others when he made it in Microsoft, and people around the world saw how effective it was.
Assuming he didn't steal the glory, one never knows ^_^

The Headquater thread is more like a social thread, it's not so much a data thread.
But I can understand if you want them both in same threads, though, imho I would recommend two threads, one for reports / questions, work in progress thread.
Another thread for social interactions, getting along, meeting the other teams, able to relax and not getting off-topic when serious updates arrive (should be in the data thread).
When you look on the two threads, when you see a new post, you know it's work related. If you see the other thread, you know it's social related.

Simple structures like these goes far, reduces stress, splits the work force to more people, allow leaders to do what they are actually meant to do - "Lead", and motivates because people feel they're part of something and not just tools :)
There is way more science in it, much more depths and discussions, but it's the general idea.

As far as forum communities goes, I got very little experience. But I believe it's the same in lesser contents, Organizations are Organizations afterall. It's the same people whether it's online or in real life.

Just sharing some information, hope it can be used.. :)

[benelori]

It's a good idea, but unfortunately the forum system doesn't allow this...I'm talking about powers here...the only one who can modify something here is me, or other globals....regular members can also modify or edit their own posts, but that's it...

I suggest that every team leader of different review teams should be the one who is making the particular review thread...so if Cez is the leader of the Bleach review thread(for example), then he should be the one who makes the thread, so he can update the stuff that is going on in that said review...so that overall if alpha or me(although I'm just a suggestions guy, not a leader) will want to check on the progress of different threads, then we will have to take a look at just the OP of a thread, not the entire thread...

[alphabeta]

Alpha, Bene, Cez. The ABC of the Reviewer Alliance.

Puns aside, I updated the OP with the various teams. As you can see, I made bene the Naruto team leader. That's kinda temporary, right now. I just thought that the naruto guys would know and trust bene the most, so that's really the only logic right now.

That aside, I will PM everyone from the OP and tell them to go to this thread and subscribe. Once we have everyone done that, I believe we can actually begin to discuss the future of the RA.

[Niko_kun]

hello everybody!! You can call me niko (: Hope we can do amazing reviews :D

[jdw]

Hello all, I am jdw. I frequent the Naruto section and will be participating in Naruto reviews.

[ninjabot]

ninjabot here, ready to give this reviewing thing a shot. It's my first time trying something like this, so bare with me. Naruto's my favorite manga, and alot of you guys should know me from said section.

[unknownymous]

Hi everyone! You guys can call me anon, and I'd like to review DGM.