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[halfcrzy]

Wow the chapter still isnt out? I didnt notice any messages saying he would be late either, did he take a week off?

[revennge]

Chapter comes out only tomorrow :D. Shioon is either gonna rage or be depressed. It would not be unusual if he got really angry because in Part I, he was angry because of ChangHo who attacked Saehe(or whatever the normal girls name was.). Now it's someone even closer and it's not impossible to him to become enraged.

[halfcrzy]

Wowow. Haha I realized at 5pm today that it was thursday and not friday. Damn you midterm season! Ok with that being said lets hope for an ontime release today!

[Asvard]

chapter late again...:'(


Moved the posts above about chapter 47 over here

[Bludvein]

It's out.

Off to go read! Will post afterwords.

EDIT:

Ok, so Shi-woon is off to the rescue I guess? Sera handed him some medicine, which I guess is replicas of the stuff doc gave him earlier? Or is it something else entirely?

Anyone who still doubts Sera's motives need to check her facial expressions this chapter. No way can she be evil.

Psycho bitch continues to impress with her depravity. Seriously, she belongs in a straightjacket.

[svyatoslav]

And Shioon's harem just officially added a kuudere if Sera's expression is anything to go by.

[Bludvein]

I lol'ed when his ride turned out to be a delivery truck >.<.

[Inne]

I lol'ed when his ride turned out to be a delivery truck >.<.

Hm I thought it was an ambulance seeing as how they are at a hospital and all but then again it's late could just be I'm tired and not seeing things right. Either way I am now officially psyched for when Shioon makes his epic entrance amd impresses everyone with his new moves. As for Psycho Bitch I just wish Jinie would actually kill her herself in the most gruesome way possible so that the readers can breathe a sigh of relief that her existence has been terminated. As for Sera , I can honestly say that I'm really starting to find her to be my favorite female character (aside from Shiho of course) especially when she had that smile. Well at least Shioon's attracting girls power seems to have also grown with his training lol.

[Hiro Hayase]

Ladies and gentlemen, its proper etiquette to post the chapter first then discuss it. Oh well here's chapter 47 anyways.
http://cartoon.media.daum.net/webtoon/viewer/13766

[Bludvein]

Hm I thought it was an ambulance seeing as how they are at a hospital and all but then again it's late could just be I'm tired and not seeing things right. Either way I am now officially psyched for when Shioon makes his epic entrance amd impresses everyone with his new moves. As for Psycho Bitch I just wish Jinie would actually kill her herself in the most gruesome way possible so that the readers can breathe a sigh of relief that her existence has been terminated. As for Sera , I can honestly say that I'm really starting to find her to be my favorite female character (aside from Shiho of course) especially when she had that smile. Well at least Shioon's attracting girls power seems to have also grown with his training lol.

It is an ambulance. I didn't see the back end on of the first time through :(

[Asvard]

Funny skulls with a flower lol
Chip and Dale... ghm Shioon and MadMax (driver ambulance) go to rescue=)

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

Oh, this is good! :D . Looks like it'll soon be time for Shioon to return the favor to Jinie :)

[Iti]

But how Shiwoon will fight with the Gothic Bitch? I'm worried.

[TheMoa]

I don't know korean, so I can be totally wrong, but at first I though that the last SUC guy who speaks with the ghotic bitch was Ji-gun. Maybe he took the costume of some of the guys he beated.

[NAM61]

so sera did tell shiwoon i thought she would hide it from him. hope he gets to the battle next chapter and the pills she gave him are like the one the Doc gave him. time to see how much he has improved with his mind training.

[bighawke5]

u guys aren't mentioning the important thing, like the chapter is so much longer this time!

Still pissed/confused that Ji-gun would call for Shioon as back up to help Jinie(when he knows shioon can't fight that bitch. WHY not ask Sera for help?)
anyhow i wont disscuss till i get somekind of translation.

[kidopitz27]

are those pills the enhance version of the Dan the doctor gave to shioon?

if yes then all S.U.C will just attack Shioon more why?
because they really thought that his Ki center is damage and cannot be repaired and

they will think that he already fixed his Ki center and because like Sera said to Shioon they want Shioon dead because he is the one and only disciple that GMR trained by himself

and also Kang-sung already acknowledge Shioon as a Dragon(though they Kang sung said it when he fight shioon) and even the old lady said how powerful Shioon is :)

and more likely in the next chapter Shioon will beat the Bitch Goth girl in one swoop like Shioon mentioned to Sera when he is in meditation he tried to use some skills he didn't use when his ki center is not broken i hope to see

1. Soul Crushing Strike (more powerful version)
2. Thunder Smashing Strike
3. Double Dragon Chain Dance (Yi Gyu-Bum use it to attack Shioon on part 1) you will never know Shioon can learn Techs after Seeing it or Experiencing what it feels like to be hit so you will never know
4.Thousand Flower Strike :) again you will never know or we will be surprised if he use this one :)
5. and also the skill the one with shades use to knock out using Acu-point

and also in chapter 39 shioon said that he can't resist when he see something wrong/weird (maybe he will soon discover what sera is hiding from him)

[shakes12]

http://www.filesonic.co.nz/file/2562681604/The_Breaker_New_Waves_Chapter_47.zip

[NoSalvation]

are those pills the enhance version of the Dan the doctor gave to shioon?

if yes then all S.U.C will just attack Shioon more why?
because they really thought that his Ki center is damage and cannot be repaired and

they will think that he already fixed his Ki center and because like Sera said to Shioon they want Shioon dead because he is the one and only disciple that GMR trained by himself

and also Kang-sung already acknowledge Shioon as a Dragon(though they Kang sung said it when he fight shioon) and even the old lady said how powerful Shioon is :)

and more likely in the next chapter Shioon will beat the Bitch Goth girl in one swoop like Shioon mentioned to Sera when he is in meditation he tried to use some skills he didn't use when his ki center is not broken i hope to see

1. Soul Crushing Strike (more powerful version)
2. Thunder Smashing Strike
3. Double Dragon Chain Dance (Yi Gyu-Bum use it to attack Shioon on part 1) you will never know Shioon can learn Techs after Seeing it or Experiencing what it feels like to be hit so you will never know
4.Thousand Flower Strike :) again you will never know or we will be surprised if he use this one :)
5. and also the skill the one with shades use to knock out using Acu-point

and also in chapter 39 shioon said that he can't resist when he see something wrong/weird (maybe he will soon discover what sera is hiding from him)

Lets not forget he also has the black heaven and earth technique that was left on his phone for him as well. Which Im curious about since it doesn't use ki techniques. You would just need to have a ki center to get it started then it would run on its own until you ran out of ki at least thats how Ive interpreted it. So it could possibly go beyond the limitations of the medicine. Of course the downside is your'e basically bat**** crazy the whole time but it would be awesome to see how that would work.

[svyatoslav]

God I really hate Sera, why is Shioon letting her manipulate him like this, he is usually smarter than that. I hope he knocks some common sense into that calculating b**** when he finds out about his mom. /rant

Anyway, looks like a showdown between the 5 leaders and a coalition of anti-SUC forces is coming. So far it is Smiling Blade, Shioon, Jini. That's only 3 so some others will probably join. Ha-Ill is probably the one that Sera will contact when SUC big guns come out. Perhaps somebody from the Martial Alliance will come as well and perhaps the fox guy (Southern Red Star).

[Hiro Hayase]

God I really hate Sera, why is Shioon letting her manipulate him like this, he is usually smarter than that. I hope he knocks some common sense into that calculating b**** when he finds out about his mom. /rant

Anyway, looks like a showdown between the 5 leaders and a coalition of anti-SUC forces is coming. So far it is Smiling Blade, Shioon, Jini. That's only 3 so some others will probably join. Ha-Ill is probably the one that Sera will contact when SUC big guns come out. Perhaps somebody from the Martial Alliance will come as well and perhaps the fox guy (Southern Red Star).

I highly doubt that Sera will back-stab (if that's what your trying to say) Shioon since her master has acknowledged him and she has decided to gamble her "murim chip" on him. Sera's like an adviser/manager to Shioon now, so I fail to see how Sera is still manipulating Shioon. Care to elaborate some more?

The main reason why Sera didn't tell Shioon about his mother in critical condition was because she didn't want to distract him from training. Not many people people have the ability to stay calm when they learn that their mother is in critical condition. Can you guarantee that Shioon , raised by a single mother all his life, will not be disturbed by the sudden news? Also what can Shioon do if he finds out, his situation would have become much worse? Best to leave Shioon's mother to Sera for the moment, since she owns the hospital.

Plus, Sera is not heartless since she was the one who brought Shioon's mother to her own hospital, which implies that this patient's health will be prioritized under Sera's watch. Sera just couldn't find an opportune moment to break the news to Shioon yet since he has far too much on his plate right now. That example shows how Sera is tactful.




P.S. Shioon is learning murim common sense from Sera, the teacher. There is concrete evidence that shows Sera is on Shioon's side, and is not using him. Well you could easily say Shioon is using Sera, while Sera is using Shioon. Sera's not using Shioon as a puppet like the Sunwoo clan elders, but more like a equal. A mutual relationship that benefits both of them.

[svyatoslav]

While I'm sure she won't back-stab Shioon in the full sense of the word, she is still using him for her own ends (she even admitted to it, why he didn't press her for more answers at that time is something I would consider a plot-hole). In addition, her real objective in "helping" Shioon is obviously not as simple as she lets on. Everything she is doing for him, she is doing purely out of her own selfish reasons and she never once really considered what's best for "him" or "his" feelings.

Sera prioritizes her objective above everything else. For example, the thing with his mom, obviously telling him as soon as possible would be the best course of action for "Shioon" because to him family and friends are more important than anything else including training and politics, however, for Sera not telling him means faster completion of her short term objective and she doesn't care that it will hurt him more in the long run. Basically her logic is similar to the logic of those elders, not the head who had a personal vendetta, but the others who only cared about the stability of the murim world, to them one ruined life meant nothing in the grand scheme of things. Sera is similar, but perhaps not quite as cynical yet. She thinks that Shioon will "understand" later and if he thought like a murim he might've, but "we" know he is doesn't and "we" know that it will backfire on her eventually.

However, this latest chapter opened a possibility to a route where Sera is unable to go through with her cold-hearted purely logical plans because of her growing feelings for him. Whether it will be too late or not, we'll see.

PS. In terms of personality among the murim, the one I like most is Smiling Blade because he balances murim reality with personal emotions almost perfectly. Just like Sera he also has a concrete objective that he wants to complete pretty badly and like Sera he is pretty smart and plans well, but unlike her he considers other people's feelings and won't step over them in order to reach his goal.


Just to make it clear, I don't really have a problem with Sera as a character. I don't like her very much but she is a good character. My main problem is with the plot hole the author created when Shioon just went along with whatever she told him even though that's out of character for him and the fact that in one conversation he asserted that she is using him and she pretty much admitted it (for some reason he didn't press her farther for answers: plot hole).

[kidopitz27]

Lets not forget he also has the black heaven and earth technique that was left on his phone for him as well. Which Im curious about since it doesn't use ki techniques. You would just need to have a ki center to get it started then it would run on its own until you ran out of ki at least thats how Ive interpreted it. So it could possibly go beyond the limitations of the medicine. Of course the downside is your'e basically bat**** crazy the whole time but it would be awesome to see how that would work.

i think he will use it to save those 2 or maybe a part of BHT and those Commanders will just say that's the legendary BHT (Were screwed for real) :)

but for me he will not use it or maybe those commanders will be surprised that their techs are copied by just a blink of an eye by shioon and make a powerful version of it :)

[Bludvein]

As long as Sera offers him aid, and doesn't interfere or make him do anything he wouldn't already, then her "using" of him is really of no consequence. Shi-woon didn't press her on her reasons because he had already determined that she is basically a nice person, and her reasons don't really matter.

Besides, normally speaking, people don't do things for free. He is getting what he wants, and Sera is getting whatever it is that she wants. That's the way the world works.

[svyatoslav]

As long as Sera offers him aid, and doesn't interfere or make him do anything he wouldn't already, then her "using" of him is really of no consequence. Shi-woon didn't press her on her reasons because he had already determined that she is basically a nice person, and her reasons don't really matter.

Besides, normally speaking, people don't do things for free. He is getting what he wants, and Sera is getting whatever it is that she wants. That's the way the world works.It is not an equal partnership however...

[Hiro Hayase]

While I'm sure she won't back-stab Shioon in the full sense of the word, she is still using him for her own ends (she even admitted to it, why he didn't press her for more answers at that time is something I would consider a plot-hole). In addition, her real objective in "helping" Shioon is obviously not as simple as she lets on. Everything she is doing for him, she is doing purely out of her own selfish reasons and she never once really considered what's best for "him" or "his" feelings.

Sera prioritizes her objective above everything else. For example, the thing with his mom, obviously telling him as soon as possible would be the best course of action for "Shioon" because to him family and friends are more important than anything else including training and politics, however, for Sera not telling him means faster completion of her short term objective and she doesn't care that it will hurt him more in the long run. Basically her logic is similar to the logic of those elders, not the head who had a personal vendetta, but the others who only cared about the stability of the murim world, to them one ruined life meant nothing in the grand scheme of things. Sera is similar, but perhaps not quite as cynical yet. She thinks that Shioon will "understand" later and if he thought like a murim he might've, but "we" know he is doesn't and "we" know that it will backfire on her eventually.

However, this latest chapter opened a possibility to a route where Sera is unable to go through with her cold-hearted purely logical plans because of her growing feelings for him. Whether it will be too late or not, we'll see.

PS. In terms of personality among the murim, the one I like most is Smiling Blade because he balances murim reality with personal emotions almost perfectly. Just like Sera he also has a concrete objective that he wants to complete pretty badly and like Sera he is pretty smart and plans well, but unlike her he considers other people's feelings and won't step over them in order to reach his goal.


Just to make it clear, I don't really have a problem with Sera as a character. I don't like her very much but she is a good character. My main problem is with the plot hole the author created when Shioon just went along with whatever she told him even though that's out of character for him and the fact that in one conversation he asserted that she is using him and she pretty much admitted it (for some reason he didn't press her farther for answers: plot hole).

Okay, I have a much clearer picture of where your position comes from now. But I respectfully disagree that Shioon is "going along" with whatever Sera says as a plot hole because Shioon is not as innocent as you think he is. Shioon saw through Sera's intention when she demanded that he bring 9AD. Her subordinates demanded that Shioon be killed for her to be acknowledged as their leader, but she bluntly refused that murim behavior.

I also will have to disagree about telling Shioon right away about his mom's condition as the "best course of action." I'm guessing that Sera did want to tell Shioon as soon as possible, but she faltered and withheld as soon as Shioon started reminiscing about his mom with a happy/innocent face. Would you have the heart to break the tragic news of his mother's critical condition to a person this happy? It's like telling an individual in their happiest moment that their mother just died. That ruins the whole mood and may possibly bring the said person to depression or self-pity. There's a time and place for everything, Sera just couldn't find an opportune moment to break it to Shioon yet.

Frankly, I consider Sera a reliable ally for Shioon. As revealed in these latest chapters, there are more sides to Sera than I thought. Sera did not step over Shioon's feelings, she does consider them at least. She does save Shioon when Gang-ill came to find the whereabouts of Jinie's location from him and clears the misunderstanding. She also stopped Shioon from looking for Jinie because it would be dangerous for him, since Elder Kwon or other hostile parties might try to assassinate Shioon again without proper preparation. It's logical to be cautious when you were nearly assassinated.

The thing is Sera hasn't known Shioon that long, so it's a bit unfair to bash her character for not noticing his feelings. As shown in earlier chapters of New Waves, Sera is quite different from ordinary Murim's who are quick to resort to violence. Sera hasn't resorted to violence once, except for self-defense when Jinie attacked her.

She also revealed that Jinie tried kill him earlier and mentioned that Shioon has made his first ally in Ha-Ill Gang from the Sunwu clan. She also revealed that the Sunwu elder's were planning on using Shioon as a pawn. She is teaching Shioon about murim history and even brought her teacher to teach him some skills. Plus, she's hiding Shioon from the Sunwu and tracking the genius Doctor. Sera has done a lot for Shioon already, so its hard to see her as an enemy.

The reason why Shioon trusts her now is probably due to the fact that everytime that Shioon gets hurt (after Jinie's disappearance), she bandages him up afterwards. Plus, Sera's very blunt when she admitted that Shioon's right about her using him, but its in a good way. Once again, She's not using him as a puppet to manipulate but rather as a person with equal standing as her. It's debatable whether she prioritizes her objectives over everything, but we don't know exactly what her objectives are. Is it to restore the murim order or create a new order? Destroy the S.U.C. or find 9AD? We don't know yet, but I can assure you that she does not have a sinister objective. (I'm basing this from what we have seen so far).

Instead of believing in the possibilities that she has a cold-hearted "master plan", why couldn't she have a change of heart like Sunwu Elder Jang-Il Jeong. Remember, Sera and Ji-gun attacked Shioon because they thought he was associated with the S.U.C. If you can forgive Ji-gun for attacking powerless Shioon, then why not Sera who's done so much for Shioon than Ji-gun ever did?

If you still think the partnership is not mutual, then define what Shioon and Sera's relationship is with examples this time please?





P.S. I strongly advise re-reading The Breaker: New Waves from chapter 1, I recommend A-team's chapters since they are concise. You have clearly missed some minor details and underlying meanings overall.

P.S.S. I can provide references if needed.

P.S.S.S. I can't believe that I took the time to write all this.

[Ninja_Pirate]

I dont think there is any plot hole if shioon just relied on sera without asking much questions... to start with she is the only one who has actually started telling him about murim (however he wasnt interested in knowing that initially) .. Also when the first met sera did explain herself and why she is doing that... and for shioon's character he has been shown like that only from the start... he always trust people on intution purpose and anyways everything falls in place for him... he is emotionally driven and not much of a mind player.///

One of the reason he attracts people is his determination and selflessness when it comes to helping people or doing the right thing.... and one who follows/support him on that always turn out to be a good person.... as the same goes for sera. he has done the same when it came to shiho in the first part... he ate that pill trusting her and gained this power...

[Jammin]

God, could Sera be any more adorable?!http://www.laymark.com/i/o/06.gif

I can't get enough of these Sera scenes because there is nothing I love more than a character out of their element. With Sera, her natural element is one where everyone is trying to manipulate everyone else. That's where she's comfortable and that's where she excels. Shioon is the opposite of that.

Her time with Shioon keeps drudging up the person underneath the icy facade. And it turns out, underneath it all the calculating, she is 1 part innocent 3 parts weird.:D

[nanoclarkology]

I rally enjoyed this chapter. Mainly because it sets up the next chapter where Shioon comes in and fights for Jini. I am excited for that purpose.

[GOOMOONRYONG]

I am quite excited for the upcoming chapters with this strengthened copy of the medicine Shioon took from the doctor. It will be exciting to see the effects of the medicine and what cool new moves Shioon is going to use on those 5 S.U.C. bastards. I think it's time he upped his foot technique skills to where he can use 'Hwan' and 'Kyuk' effectively. I want to see Shioon do something like this http://www.mangafox.com/manga/the_breaker/v04/c024/11.html. Jini's panties are going to drop when Shioon rescues her and displays some badass techniques that he couldn't do before. Is it next Saturday yet?

I just hope Shioon doesn't get beaten to a pulp this time and can at least get some shots in on the leaders. I wonder if 9AD recorded any other techniques for Shioon to try on his phone. I can't imagine 9AD left no other techniques for Shioon to learn on his phone, he saw his progress so I'm betting he left something. Seismic Kick would be a good one

[nanoclarkology]

I don't remember him losing his phone. I guess that I should go back and reread them. But considering that he watched the videos that GMR left for him then I think that he will be able to figure them out in the meditation state.

[Wowzers]

He didn't actually lose the phone, it's just been turned off since chapter 37 (http://www.mangareader.net/the-breaker-new-waves/37/10).

I'm wondering who Sera is calling though as her statement implies that she wants to know how many will come to help Shioon.

Jeon Jang-Il (Bearded Sun-wu Elder, but Sera doesn't trust the Elders)
Gang Ha Ill (Man with the hat, Jinni's friend. Sera said he is Shioon's ally)
Ma Mun Gi (The cross eyed sword wielding guy that freaks everyone out.)
Kang-Sung (The current leader of the Martial Arts Alliance, he has taken an interest in Shioon previously)
So-Chun Hyuk (The leader of the Heavenly Way school. He might not be much help though as he spends too much time blushing while watching Shioon.)

[Charlie]

she is 1 part innocent 3 parts weird.:D

That's pretty funny, its interesting how ShiWoon manages to get all the girls involved near him to his side with a smile.
Although I'm not a complete fan of her, I'm holding out reservations on her true intentions.



I just hope Shioon doesn't get beaten to a pulp this time and can at least get some shots in on the leaders.

Looking at ShiWoons current status, he should be more than able to do so. He still has his ki which are at a high level, that never went away. He has some new medicine packets that are stronger than before. He also has much stronger physical body as well as spiritual one with his recent trainings. I think when he takes that new version of the pill he will surprise everyone. He should have a huge improvement from past levels. The key issues how long will the drug last and the possible side effects.

[Hiro Hayase]

He didn't actually lose the phone, it's just been turned off since chapter 37 (http://www.mangareader.net/the-breaker-new-waves/37/10).

I'm wondering who Sera is calling though as her statement implies that she wants to know how many will come to help Shioon.

Jeon Jang-Il (Bearded Sun-wu Elder, but Sera doesn't trust the Elders)
Gang Ha Ill (Man with the hat, Jinni's friend. Sera said he is Shioon's ally)
Ma Mun Gi (The cross eyed sword wielding guy that freaks everyone out.)
Kang-Sung (The current leader of the Martial Arts Alliance, he has taken an interest in Shioon previously)
So-Chun Hyuk (The leader of the Heavenly Way school. He might not be much help though as he spends too much time blushing while watching Shioon.)

In times of crisis, its essential to separate the people that genuinely like Shioon and those that are just using him. Knowing Sera, she will test how many people will come to Shioon's aid when he needs it the most. Although, Shioon doesn't have too many allies in the murim, but his few allies are influential individuals.



That's pretty funny, its interesting how ShiWoon manages to get all the girls involved near him to his side with a smile.
Although I'm not a complete fan of her, I'm holding out reservations on her true intentions.

Looking at ShiWoons current status, he should be more than able to do so. He still has his ki which are at a high level, that never went away. He has some new medicine packets that are stronger than before. He also has much stronger physical body as well as spiritual one with his recent trainings. I think when he takes that new version of the pill he will surprise everyone. He should have a huge improvement from past levels. The key issues how long will the drug last and the possible side effects.

Hopefully that 30-minute waiting period for the medicine to take effect will be gone too. At lesst for this fight or rescue mission he will not have to worry about the effects running out as much as before too. I am eagerly awaiting the Doc's reappearance, he's an interesting guy and always entertaining.

P.S. Nice new avatar and sigi.

[GOOMOONRYONG]

That's pretty funny, its interesting how ShiWoon manages to get all the girls involved near him to his side with a smile.
Although I'm not a complete fan of her, I'm holding out reservations on her true intentions.



Looking at ShiWoons current status, he should be more than able to do so. He still has his ki which are at a high level, that never went away. He has some new medicine packets that are stronger than before. He also has much stronger physical body as well as spiritual one with his recent trainings. I think when he takes that new version of the pill he will surprise everyone. He should have a huge improvement from past levels. The key issues how long will the drug last and the possible side effects.

It depends I mean look what happened last time he faced the male leader he got owned. Granted his ki had run out but still it seemed one sided that he would have been able to do much. I am hoping he can do some damage on them, enough so that they can both retreat without any major injuries. I want Shioon to become a powerhouse and someone the S.U.C. should be afraid of.

[kidopitz27]

in my point of view that S.U.C shades guy got owned by Shioon by not being affected by the acupoint :)

[Charlie]

in my point of view that S.U.C shades guy got owned by Shioon by not being affected by the acupoint :)

Thats an interesting approach actually. Although, I do not believe I've ever seen an appoint being pressed or stricken on forehead. It looked like the suc guy was going for a kill hit.

[thornofcarrion]

Really good chapter. The prospect of seeing the 5 SUC leaders is exciting, as much as seeing Shioon, Ji-Gun, and Jinie fighitng together. But I am afraid it may not turn out that way. Even if it does, I think the 5 leaders will be too much for three of them.

[Charlie]

Really good chapter. The prospect of seeing the 5 SUC leaders is exciting, as much as seeing Shioon, Ji-Gun, and Jinie fighitng together. But I am afraid it may not turn out that way. Even if it does, I think the 5 leaders will be too much for three of them.

Out numbered yes - out skilled? I'm not so sure at this point. I also see Gang Ha-ill (Mr Hats) to show up there. So it might be a four on five or if the elders manage to track down ShiWoon at the same time, they should have enough numbers.

[GOOMOONRYONG]

If Ha Ill makes an appearance I think they would have a very good chance of doing some damage. Isn't Ha Ill number 2 or so in the Sunwoo Clan? He seems like a pretty diesel guy and I think he would be especially dangerous if Jini is in trouble, he seems to have a thing for her.

[thornofcarrion]

Out numbered yes - out skilled? I'm not so sure at this point. I also see Gang Ha-ill (Mr Hats) to show up there. So it might be a four on five or if the elders manage to track down ShiWoon at the same time, they should have enough numbers.

I am not sure, how powerful Ji-Gun or others are. None of them have to really go all out. Gang Ha-ill may appear and if he does, so should be Dae-san (the huge guy).

[blaise]

Shioon's improvements may be more dramatic than we think. I'm banking on that since Sera has made out the Incarnate illusion technique to be a huge deal. And now we found out he's been holding out in terms of techniques he knows (or couldn't use them without Ki) and he has meds with more potency.

Perhaps this is the best chance for Shioon's potential to be sized up.

[Hiro Hayase]

Also it was subtly hinted that Ji-gun has a physical condition that doesn't allow him to fight for long periods of time stated by the maid cafe manager. Although, Ji-gun said that Shioon was worse off than him.

[kidopitz27]

Thats an interesting approach actually. Although, I do not believe I've ever seen an appoint being pressed or stricken on forehead. It looked like the suc guy was going for a kill hit.

http://read.homeunix.com/onlinereading/?image=The%20Breaker%20New%20Waves/The%20Breaker%20New%20Waves%20c035/The_Breaker_NW35_010.png&server=nas.html

nope that's an acupoint and on the next page he is surprised that his acupoint didn't effect on Shioon

[Charlie]

If Ha Ill makes an appearance I think they would have a very good chance of doing some damage. Isn't Ha Ill number 2 or so in the Sunwoo Clan? He seems like a pretty diesel guy and I think he would be especially dangerous if Jini is in trouble, he seems to have a thing for her.

He might have been... I don't recall too well. Was it Seira that mentioned that?

Wasn't he thrown out or kicked out of the clan? Don't take my memory on this as its been faulty on several issues :sweat.


I am not sure, how powerful Ji-Gun or others are. None of them have to really go all out. Gang Ha-ill may appear and if he does, so should be Dae-san (the huge guy).

True, we don't know the real strength of the suc leaders either. Although the guy ShiWoon fought was thought to be strong by him. It seems there is at-least a potential of an even match, numbers-wise, if everything goes well for Jini; smiling boy and ShiWoon.


Shioon's improvements may be more dramatic than we think. I'm banking on that since Sera has made out the Incarnate illusion technique to be a huge deal. And now we found out he's been holding out in terms of techniques he knows (or couldn't use them without Ki) and he has meds with more potency.

Perhaps this is the best chance for Shioon's potential to be sized up.

I agree and I'm hoping to seem something really good with any of ShiWoons upcoming matches.


http://read.homeunix.com/onlinereading/?image=The%20Breaker%20New%20Waves/The%20Breaker%20New%20Waves%20c035/The_Breaker_NW35_010.png&server=nas.html

nope that's an acupoint and on the next page he is surprised that his acupoint didn't effect on Shioon

Thanks for the correction / reminder. I thought it was some regular attack from my recollection.

[GOOMOONRYONG]

@Charlie: Yeah I think Sera did mention that he was kicked out of the clan which seems weird since he went to the elder head a couple of chapters ago to ask about Jini. Hopefully we will learn specifics in the near future, especially if he makes an appearance with Shioon. I am ready for Shioon to become a true OG badass O0

Anyone else hoping for some people from part 1 to show up again? I wouldn't mind seeing Mamungi (i think that's how you spell it) again or HyukSoChun, I want him to have a fight with Shioon again but that might have to wait until the martial arts tournament.

Okay Guys seriously we need to tell Mangastream to start releasing The Breaker New Waves. This is a call to arms!

[thornofcarrion]

I'd love to see characters from part 1 to make an appearance. The focus of part 2, however, is more on new characters for the time being. What SUC wants ultimately links with Murim world. So, these characters will be the part of the story eventually.

[kidopitz27]

i want to see Ji-Gun to be surprised how Shioon can use swordless state (thousand flower strike) or Jinie to see Shioon using Dragon Chain dance :)

[GOOMOONRYONG]

I hope Shioon learns some other techniques besides the ones Ji-Gun and Jini used. It would be cool if he did but I want him to develop things on his own and not just able to copy any technique he sees. I'm curious about what he meant about techniques he didn't get to try out. I hope 9AD taught him more than what we were shown in part 1.

[svyatoslav]

Okay, I have a much clearer picture of where your position comes from now. But I respectfully disagree that Shioon is "going along" with whatever Sera says as a plot hole because Shioon is not as innocent as you think he is. Shioon saw through Sera's intention when she demanded that he bring 9AD. Her subordinates demanded that Shioon be killed for her to be acknowledged as their leader, but she bluntly refused that murim behavior.

I also will have to disagree about telling Shioon right away about his mom's condition as the "best course of action." I'm guessing that Sera did want to tell Shioon as soon as possible, but she faltered and withheld as soon as Shioon started reminiscing about his mom with a happy/innocent face. Would you have the heart to break the tragic news of his mother's critical condition to a person this happy? It's like telling an individual in their happiest moment that their mother just died. That ruins the whole mood and may possibly bring the said person to depression or self-pity. There's a time and place for everything, Sera just couldn't find an opportune moment to break it to Shioon yet.

Frankly, I consider Sera a reliable ally for Shioon. As revealed in these latest chapters, there are more sides to Sera than I thought. Sera did not step over Shioon's feelings, she does consider them at least. She does save Shioon when Gang-ill came to find the whereabouts of Jinie's location from him and clears the misunderstanding. She also stopped Shioon from looking for Jinie because it would be dangerous for him, since Elder Kwon or other hostile parties might try to assassinate Shioon again without proper preparation. It's logical to be cautious when you were nearly assassinated.

The thing is Sera hasn't known Shioon that long, so it's a bit unfair to bash her character for not noticing his feelings. As shown in earlier chapters of New Waves, Sera is quite different from ordinary Murim's who are quick to resort to violence. Sera hasn't resorted to violence once, except for self-defense when Jinie attacked her.

She also revealed that Jinie tried kill him earlier and mentioned that Shioon has made his first ally in Ha-Ill Gang from the Sunwu clan. She also revealed that the Sunwu elder's were planning on using Shioon as a pawn. She is teaching Shioon about murim history and even brought her teacher to teach him some skills. Plus, she's hiding Shioon from the Sunwu and tracking the genius Doctor. Sera has done a lot for Shioon already, so its hard to see her as an enemy.

The reason why Shioon trusts her now is probably due to the fact that everytime that Shioon gets hurt (after Jinie's disappearance), she bandages him up afterwards. Plus, Sera's very blunt when she admitted that Shioon's right about her using him, but its in a good way. Once again, She's not using him as a puppet to manipulate but rather as a person with equal standing as her. It's debatable whether she prioritizes her objectives over everything, but we don't know exactly what her objectives are. Is it to restore the murim order or create a new order? Destroy the S.U.C. or find 9AD? We don't know yet, but I can assure you that she does not have a sinister objective. (I'm basing this from what we have seen so far).

Instead of believing in the possibilities that she has a cold-hearted "master plan", why couldn't she have a change of heart like Sunwu Elder Jang-Il Jeong. Remember, Sera and Ji-gun attacked Shioon because they thought he was associated with the S.U.C. If you can forgive Ji-gun for attacking powerless Shioon, then why not Sera who's done so much for Shioon than Ji-gun ever did?

If you still think the partnership is not mutual, then define what Shioon and Sera's relationship is with examples this time please?





P.S. I strongly advise re-reading The Breaker: New Waves from chapter 1, I recommend A-team's chapters since they are concise. You have clearly missed some minor details and underlying meanings overall.

I'm really not sure where you get this "noble" view of Sera. Is it just because most of what she has been telling Shioon true so far? Or because she watched Shioon barely get himself out of life threatening situations without so much as lifting a finger to help on several occasions? Perhaps it was because she refused to kill him but was perfectly content watching her clan perform the deed right in front of her?

So far her philosophy seems to be that as long as she is directly not responsible for someone's death it is ok. Sure she might not be as cynical as some of the other murim, but that elder Granny is her teacher and it seems like she has very similar views including the notion of necessary sacrifices though in Sera's case there is a footnote about not being involved in the dirty work directly, at least for the time being.

Now is she liable to change? Yes, as I mentioned in my previous post, the events of the last chapter seem to put her on that path and she will probably abandon her master plan (which imo will clash with Shioon's ideals at its endgame) at some point thanks to a conversion to the Shioon "religious order."

Personally though I'd rather she didn't change because, as I said before, she is a good character, one I don't sympathize with but one that has her own role and place in the story. I just wish Shioon didn't let himself get controlled like that by her as that was his trademark (his unpredictability and inability of others to make him do what they want), something that made him unique and one of my favorite manga/manhwa characters. I just hate when authors start to contradict themselves.

PS. I always make it a point to read the A-Team's version every week as it is obvious their translations are more accurate, however, lately MC's translations have been better and they are less literal and do a better job at getting the emotion of the manhwa across.

[4ghost]

I don't think we should underestimate the importance of Sera's relationship to Shioon. While it is easy to take note of the significance that his Martial Arts teachers have on his development Sera's contributions should not be ignored. I believe that she was the best teacher for Shioon to learn how to maneuver through the world of Murin. While a lot of people focus on martial arts strength and fighting they lose sight of the other part of Murin the political, social and class aspect of it. Sera expertly used her knowledge to secure that position of hers that was apparently already slated to be hers.

Even if his ki center were not destroyed Shioon would have been ill equipped to deal with the Sunwoo clan let alone the entire Murin world. Sera has given Shioon the tools necessary to understand recognize and adapt to the calculating nature of Murinin. Unfortunately that calculating nature of hers leads her to instinctively make decisions that while apparently in Shioons's best interest, they are contrary to Shioon's nature.

@Charlie: I'm think it is only Ji-Gun who was expelled from his school. Ha Ill was only told to leave elder Kwon's sight.

[svyatoslav]

Sera is trying to turn Shioon into a "murim" but we all know that's not really going to happen.

[Charlie]

I don't think we should underestimate the importance of Sera's relationship to Shioon. While it is easy to take note of the significance that his Martial Arts teachers have on his development Sera's contributions should not be ignored. I believe that she was the best teacher for Shioon to learn how to maneuver through the world of Murin. While a lot of people focus on martial arts strength and fighting they lose sight of the other part of Murin the political, social and class aspect of it. Sera expertly used her knowledge to secure that position of hers that was apparently already slated to be hers.

Even if his ki center were not destroyed Shioon would have been ill equipped to deal with the Sunwoo clan let alone the entire Murin world. Sera has given Shioon the tools necessary to understand recognize and adapt to the calculating nature of Murinin. Unfortunately that calculating nature of hers leads her to instinctively make decisions that while apparently in Shioons's best interest, they are contrary to Shioon's nature.

@Charlie: I'm think it is only Ji-Gun who was expelled from his school. Ha Ill was only told to leave elder Kwon's sight.

Granted it seems that ShiWoons personality has also affected her as seen in the latest chapter.
I don't doubt that Sera has given Shiwoon important tools and insights into the Murim world. Those were all good and it should make ShiWoon less gullible to believe people blindly when it comes to certain issues. However as good as those were, I can't get over that calculated or calculating aspect of her nature as you mentioned. This makes me a bit edgy in-terms of having her listed on someone that I would trust for ShiWoons best interest, let say.



Sera is trying to turn Shioon into a "murim" but we all know that's not really going to happen.

Story progression wise, I'm hoping to see ShiWoon take the Murim role. Now whether he conquers it by destroying that barrier like how 9 arts seems to be doing or becoming the person who re-establishes it, remains to be seen.

[bighawke5]

i want to see Ji-Gun to be surprised how Shioon can use swordless state (thousand flower strike) or Jinie to see Shioon using Dragon Chain dance :)

when did he learn those moves?

[svyatoslav]

Story progression wise, I'm hoping to see ShiWoon take the Murim role. Now whether he conquers it by destroying that barrier like how 9 arts seems to be doing or becoming the person who re-establishes it, remains to be seen.
He might enter the murim world primarily because he has no choice or to stop 9AD but he is not going to adopt a murim mentality, which is what she wants.

[GOOMOONRYONG]

when did he learn those moves?

He hasn't but he (kidopitz27) is hoping he practiced them during the meditation training. We all know how fast a learner Shioon is, he used lighting steps after seeing 9AD showing him foot techniques one time. He is hoping just seeing those techniques once will be enough for Shioon to learn them. I hope he doesn't though since I want him to learn other techniques otherwise Shioon would basically have sharingan lol.

[Hiro Hayase]

I don't think we should underestimate the importance of Sera's relationship to Shioon. While it is easy to take note of the significance that his Martial Arts teachers have on his development Sera's contributions should not be ignored. I believe that she was the best teacher for Shioon to learn how to maneuver through the world of Murin. While a lot of people focus on martial arts strength and fighting they lose sight of the other part of Murin the political, social and class aspect of it. Sera expertly used her knowledge to secure that position of hers that was apparently already slated to be hers.

Even if his ki center were not destroyed Shioon would have been ill equipped to deal with the Sunwoo clan let alone the entire Murin world. Sera has given Shioon the tools necessary to understand recognize and adapt to the calculating nature of Murinin. Unfortunately that calculating nature of hers leads her to instinctively make decisions that while apparently in Shioons's best interest, they are contrary to Shioon's nature.

@Charlie: I'm think it is only Ji-Gun who was expelled from his school. Ha Ill was only told to leave elder Kwon's sight.

I also agree that we should not downplay Sera's role in helping Shioon. Also, its a good opportunity for Shioon to pick up some tactical skills from Sera, while Sera might learn a few things (like his spirit) from Shioon. Shioon can be a bit naive/reckless sometimes. Fighting can only take you so far... that's where intellect comes in.


I'm really not sure where you get this "noble" view of Sera. Is it just because most of what she has been telling Shioon true so far? Or because she watched Shioon barely get himself out of life threatening situations without so much as lifting a finger to help on several occasions? Perhaps it was because she refused to kill him but was perfectly content watching her clan perform the deed right in front of her?

So far her philosophy seems to be that as long as she is directly not responsible for someone's death it is ok. Sure she might not be as cynical as some of the other murim, but that elder Granny is her teacher and it seems like she has very similar views including the notion of necessary sacrifices though in Sera's case there is a footnote about not being involved in the dirty work directly, at least for the time being.

Now is she liable to change? Yes, as I mentioned in my previous post, the events of the last chapter seem to put her on that path and she will probably abandon her master plan (which imo will clash with Shioon's ideals at its endgame) at some point thanks to a conversion to the Shioon "religious order."

Personally though I'd rather she didn't change because, as I said before, she is a good character, one I don't sympathize with but one that has her own role and place in the story. I just wish Shioon didn't let himself get controlled like that by her as that was his trademark (his unpredictability and inability of others to make him do what they want), something that made him unique and one of my favorite manga/manhwa characters. I just hate when authors start to contradict themselves.

PS. I always make it a point to read the A-Team's version every week as it is obvious their translations are more accurate, however, lately MC's translations have been better and they are less literal and do a better job at getting the emotion of the manhwa across.

I wouldn't exactly say "noble" but more intellectual and tactful as I noted in my earlier post through examples. Throughout the The Breaker series, Shioon has attracted many sorts of people ranging from enemies to prodigies. The people that are usually attracted to him are deep down good individuals and reliable allies.

Sera hasn't committed anything sinister or "evil" yet, so its a bit premature to label her as that. All Sera has shown is that she's resourceful, cunning, intelligent, tactful, caring a bit towards Shioon. She's hasn't done anything underhanded, Sera's very neutral in that sense, but a reliable ally to have. Sera stated in a chapter (chapter 33 maybe?) placing a murim chip on someone in the murim world is equivalent to betting your life on that person. She bet her murim chip on Shioon. Well since they were recently taught by the same master, they are fellow pupils now.

The problem is that the dynamics of the normal world and murim world has drastically changed since part 1. Shioon may not have changed personality-wise, but nearly everything around him is starting to change and he can't afford to remain idle. If Shioon didn't go to Sera for help, then that's pretty much digging his own grave in this chaotic period. Knowing absolutely nothing about his attackers (S.U.C.) or Sunwu Elder's intentions (until the Doc and Sera told him) would cost him dearly. The murim world is an underworld society, so the more information Shioon has on this societies history and norms, then the better off he will be. Shiho and 9AD, didn't eactly teach Shioon those norms because they concentrated their skills to focus on teaching Shioon to survive with the ki medicine in his body.

It was Shioon's decision to listen to advice from Sera. He made that choice ultimately, he wasn't forced to make it. Shioon had two choices, go back to the Sunwo clan and ask the alliance for protection or find a way to fix his ki-center and re-enter the murim world. Shioon is like a baby learning how to crawl in the murim world, a baby like that can't survive in the murim world without a proper nurturer/mother or family to teach them the ropes.

"Perhaps it was because she refused to kill him but was perfectly content watching her clan perform the deed right in front of her." I disagree with that, she was not ordering them to do the "deed" and Sera's subordinates did not even acknowledge her authority at that point. Also, we do not know enough about Sera's past or history to be making these sorts of far-fetched theories. Her intention was never to kill Shioon, but more to secure her position I guess.

"I just wish Shioon didn't let himself get controlled like that by her as that was his trademark (his unpredictability and inability of others to make him do what they want)." I disagree with this too, Shioon was tossed around by other more powerful murim individuals in part 1. Shioon's trademark was his unfathomable spirit (on 9AD's level) and humility. The unpredictability and was a direct result of that, that hasn't changed in part 2. He also did it for his two teachers (9AD and Shiho, plus his promise to protect Sosul to the old man) , so that he wouldn't be a burden to them.

I agree that there are some shady backgrounds and motives to Sera, but its too early to reach a conclusion. Well we know that Sera has emotions, but she rarely expresses them (she might just be bad at expressing them too). On leadership qualities, Sera has more experience in that area than Shioon who often does things on his own. That might have been okay in part 1 when he was alone, but in part 2 Shioon is the head of the influential Sunwu clan. The other murim clans might always be keeping a watchful eye on the Sunwu clan and its activities, Shioon also inherited their enemies after taking the clan head position. Shioon has more responsibilities and burdens now, so he can't act as freely as before.

I noticed you mention that Ji-gun was more appealing to you than Sera, but think about why Ji-gun especially wants Sera to join his side? If she was so "evil" then Ji-gun would not be inclined to recruit Sera or ask for her help. You seem awfully determined that she has a "master plan" of sorts. She's not omnipotent enough to achieve that. If you still doubt Sera, then your doubting Shioon's judgement since he made the choice to trust her indefinitely, similarly Shioon wants to help Jine even thought she tried to kill him. Sera and Jinie are the same in that sense. And Shioon does not seem to mind at all if they tried to kill him before or not, that's just the way he is. I actually like Shioon for that.

Sera showing more emotions would be like another Shiho lol. I also don't want her to change, I find her entertaining the way she is. Sera is for serious humor, while Jinie is for comedy. Oh yeah, we can't forget the doctor either, he's pretty shady too.

Off-topic: I highly doubt that Elder Kwon would let go of a powerful chess piece like Ha-Ill over a trivial incident like him talking back. After all, Ha-Ill was picked up and raised by Elder Kwon like Jinie was. Ha-Ill likely just left the clan to search for Jinie, it wasn't stated anywhere that he was definitely banished from the Sunwu clan. Since Ha-Ill likes/loves/cares for Jinie and the Sunwu clan is her only home (after Jinie's mom died), It's very likely that he wouldn't cast the clan aside until he finds Jinie and talks to her.






P.S. I usually stick with one group's translation and style, to avoid discrepancies between the translations. Since I read The Breaker part 1 translated by A-team, I prefer to stick with them through part 2 as well.

Edit: Hopefully you didn't take any offense at me for disagreeing with you like this, but its been a really long time since I last argued with someone that brings up some good opposing points and it makes me happy to argue with such a person. It's very refreshing to see an opposing viewpoint every once in a while. I'll try to stay as neutral as possible.

[svyatoslav]

I wouldn't exactly say "noble" but more intellectual and tactful as I noted in my earlier post through examples. Throughout the The Breaker series, Shioon has attracted many sorts of people ranging from enemies to prodigies. The people that are usually attracted to him are deep down good individuals and reliable.

Sera hasn't committed anything sinister or "evil" yet, so its a bit premature to label her as that. All Sera has shown is that she's resourceful, cunning, intelligent, tactful, caring a bit to Shioon. She's hasn't done anything underhanded, Sera's very neutral in that sense, but a reliable ally to have. Sera stated in a chapter (chapter 33 maybe?) placing a murim chip on someone in the murim world is equivalent to betting your life on that person. She bet her murim chip on Shioon.

The problem is that the dynamics of the normal world and murim world has changed. Shioon may not have changed personality-wise, but nearly everything around him is starting to change and he can't remain idle. If Shioon didn't go to Sera for help, then that's pretty much digging his own grave. Knowing absolutely nothing about his attackers (S.U.C.) or Sunwu Elder's intentions (until the Doc and Sera told him) would cost him dearly.

It was Shioon's decision to listen to advice from Sera. He made that choice ultimately, he wasn't forced to make it. Shioon had two choices, go back to the Sunwo clan and ask the alliance for protection or find a way to fix his ki-center and re-enter the murim world. Shioon is like a baby learning how to crawl in the murim world, a baby like that can't survive in the murim world without a proper nurturer/mother or family to teach them the ropes.

"Perhaps it was because she refused to kill him but was perfectly content watching her clan perform the deed right in front of her." I disagree with that, she was not ordering them to do the "deed" and Sera's subordinates did not even acknowledge her authority at that point. Also, we do not know enough about Sera's past or history to be making these sorts of far-fetched theories. Her intention was never to kill Shioon.

"I just wish Shioon didn't let himself get controlled like that by her as that was his trademark (his unpredictability and inability of others to make him do what they want)." I disagree with this too, Shioon was tossed around by other more powerful murim individuals in part 1. Shioon's trademark was his unfathomable spirit (on 9AD's level) and humility. The unpredictability and was a direct result of that, that hasn't changed in part 2. He also did it for his two teachers (9AD and Shiho, plus his promise to protect Sosul to the old man) , so that he wouldn't be a burden to them.

I am really starting to think you have a prejudice against characters that are calculating types. I noticed you mention that Ji-gun was more appealing to you than Sera, but think about why Ji-gun especially wants Sera to join his side? If she was so "evil" then Ji-gun would be inclined to recruit Sera or ask for her help. You seem awfully determined that she has a "master plan" of sorts. She's not omnipotent enough to achieve that. If you still doubt Sera, then your doubting Shioon's judgement since he made the choice to trust her indefinitely, similarly Shioon wants to help Jine even thought she tried to kill him. Sera and Jinie are the same in that sense. And Shioon does not seem to mind at all.

I never labeled her as "evil." Like I said, I think she has her own agenda and the end result or the means of getting it will most likely clash with Shioon ideals at some point, at least if she keeps to her original plan. I also said that my beef is not really with her character, but with the author for making Shioon putty in her hands, something that never really happened before and one of the reasons I liked his character so much.

As for options, he did have them which I would rather he used. He knew he could trust the SunWoo elder that taught him as well as the fox guy (sorry I can't remember Korean names to save my life, something to do with the way they break them up with the dash, Japanese names are a lot easier).

In addition, I never said she ordered anybody to kill Shioon, but she could have stopped at least 3 attempts on his life. She chose not to. First one was when her clan was going to kill him. She might have refused to kill him with her own hands but she practically served him to her clan on a silver platter by luring him to that location, so had they killed him there, she would be responsible as well.

It gets better. Now because of Sera's little stunt (the fight with SB), SUC is after Shioon since they think he can use ki. Add to that the fact that she and her clan are now loyal to the SunWoo, as she herself put it, she pretty much has a duty to protect him (from both moral and "murim" standpoints). What does she do? She watches him get almost crushed by the fat SUC guard dude. You might argue she was there by accident and didn't have time to intervene, but I think if she had time to watch and clap then she had time to intervene, not to mention I doubt she was there by accident. She was probably waiting for an opportune moment to snatch Shioon away without being seen, that way there is no conflict with SUC and she gets Shioon's trust by "helping" him.

The third time was probably the worst one. At that time she knew SUC were after him but she chose not to help even though they could have easily killed or kidnapped him. Like I said previously, he was her responsibility and specifically at that time he was directly under her clan's protection since she left him in Joon-Ho's care who is part of her clan (ch 29). Her knowingly ignoring the threat while he is under her direct protection is almost as bad as killing him herself, almost. What's worse, one of the reasons she did it was (in case he survived) to scare him into following her "advice" so she could use him. In that sense she is no better than the SunWoo elders who wanted to use him and tried to scare him into it. Yes, her plan for him was a bit different, but at least the SunWoo elders put Jinni there to make sure he sustains no permanent damage, she just left him at complete mercy of the enemy, the SUC.

Also, I'd argue the reason she told him about all the dangers surrounding him including the SUC and those inside the SunWoo clan was to make him trust her, not because she was trying to "help" him in the true sense of the word. Notice also that her style is to not get directly involved in anything but let others do the dirty work (whatever it might be). Basically she is only slightly less cynical than some of the more moderate elders we've seen, like that Granny (her teacher) for example. I'd say I presented pretty damning evidence that she is not a "genuine" ally for Shioon. As she is currently (without the change of heart that she started to have last chapter), she will use him to her own ends and then spit him out to fend for himself or put him in a safe house. If he wanted a safe house, he would've gone to the SunWoo clan or the alliance from the start (why go through all that pain and violence).

At this point she is trying to maneuver between 4 sides without fully committing herself to one of them while at the same time trying to subtly shift the balance of power in the direction that she wants without her direct involvement. Basically she is technically still part of the alliance and she is staying loyal on the surface, at the same time she is secretly allied to the SunWoo, a sworn enemy of the alliance and she is not openly opposing the SUC while still negotiating with the leader of anti-SUC forces, Smiling Blade. The only thing we know for sure is that she wants to stop 9AD, but won't fully commit herself unless there is a 100% chance of victory (or close to it). I'm sure another one of her aims is to raise the status of her clan as the conflict is resolved and to end up on the winning side.

All of this explains her cold logical way of thinking and why she didn't oppose the SUC directly to save Shioon, but that route wasn't the only logical one for her to take and potentially not the least dangerous. If something happened to Shioon, the fact that this happened to him while he was under her watch and with her knowledge would've been discovered eventually (unless she had Joon-Ho killed, but even I think she wouldn't go that far, she is not that cynical yet). At that point she would be under fire from all sides. 9AD/SUC would've started his clean up of the Alliance with her. If not all of SunWoo, at the very least some elements of it would have wanted revenge especially Sosul, once she returned. Most influential members of the Alliance would want punishment for the dishonor she brought upon it, namely the head (3AD) and So-Chun Hyuk. Therefore, from a purely logical standpoint, it could've been a very poor decision on her part. She actually took a large risk, not for Shioon, but for the sake of her objective.


As for prejudice against "calculating" characters, that's totally false. One of my favorites is Death Note, at least the first half of it. I really enjoyed the interaction and conflict between "L" and Light, both are on my 'top characters list.' In case of the Breaker New Waves, I would have enjoyed Sera's character and her interaction with Shioon if only he didn't blindly listen to her especially after confirming himself that she has an ulterior motive and her own objective in helping him. Shioon may be naive, but he is not stupid, however here the author dumbed him down for a few chapters for the sake of the plot which is just a bad piece of writing in my opinion and therefore a plot hole. That's not to say I'm still not enjoying the story as a whole, but I do find that plot hole annoying.

PS. Good god I wrote way too much, I apologize.

[Charlie]

however here the author dumbed him down for a few chapters for the sake of the plot which is just a bad piece of writing in my opinion and therefore a plot hole.

ShiWoon needed to use her because he had no other options. The sunwoo clan was not helping him learn martial arts nor was the doctor able to help him any-further. This is a case of mutual - use and that fact that he pointed that out himself lets us know that he is aware of what is happening or the situation. Which only means he took the best option or hopped on the best road that he could to gain what he needed, mainly attempt to gain back his powers. I don't think that makes him dumbed down or even made this a plot hole.

[svyatoslav]

ShiWoon needed to use her because he had no other options. The sunwoo clan was not helping him learn martial arts nor was the doctor able to help him any-further. This is a case of mutual - use and that fact that he pointed that out himself lets us know that he is aware of what is happening or the situation. Which only means he took the best option or hopped on the best road that he could to gain what he needed, mainly attempt to gain back his powers. I don't think that makes him dumbed down or even made this a plot hole.
It could be like that, but there is no evidence for it in any of Shioon's "thoughts" the author showed us. However as I said in my previous post, I think he did have options: Gyu-Bum and the SunWoo elder who taught him. Both of them are completely loyal to him over elder Kwon. The Heavenly Way school and their leader So-Chun Hyuk is another option (he really wanted him to progress as a martial artist so if there was a possibility, he would jump at it). I guess we'll see.

[Hiro Hayase]

@svyatoslav

True you never explicitly stated that she was "evil", but that was the impression I was getting and I needed a word to describe that mysterious side of Sera. Also, its true he could have asked Gyu-Bum Yi or Elder Jang-Il Jeong, but Sera is the better option since the Sunwu clan are plotting against him, specifically Elder Kwon. Only a small minority in the Sunwu clan genuinely supported Shioon as clan head, so outside help like Sera would be better in his situation. At that point in time, Sera was neither an enemy or ally of Shioon, so she would be a person to go to and plus they both want to oppose the S.U.C.

Once again, I believe it was never her objective to kill Shioon. She wanted to confirm whether he was with the S.U.C. or not, since she's not interested in revenge. She may have used threats (I think of them as bluffs), but her subordinates never used force on Shioon, it was Ji-gun who actually lured him out there using Saehee's phone.

Now the S.U.C. would go after Shioon whether he had the ability to use ki or not, since his existence was a threat to S.U.C. and their goals. One of the S.U.C. top five stated "no wonder the leader was interested in you" which can also mean that the leader was interested in Shioon not becuase of his combat prowess, but for something else. I highly doubt that Sera's conspiring with S.U.C. and or set that all up, since she didn't know that most of Shioon injuries would heal within half a day. Plus, its the next day after Shioon's fight with Ji-gun. So her setting everything up is highly unlikely.

When Sera told Shioon that she's betting her murim chip on him exclusively, that was equivalent to swearing an allegiance to him and offering companionship. Before Shioon resolved himself to re-enter the murim, Sera stated that in the murim world placing her chip on anyone is like risking their life. She did not want to bet her life on a indecisive individual like Shioon (he didn't want to enter the murim world again because his teacher probably did not want him to) at the time.

I wouldn't say that she's trying to play all four sides, since her clan is associated with the Sunwu clan. Sera didn't deny the fact that she's using him, similar to how Shioon's using her. That's sincerity right there, admitting it so bluntly like that. When Sera said "He's smarter than he looks" I thought of that as a joke, not a serious plot development. The reason why Sera's not blindly declaring war against the S.U.C. is very simple, its hard to pinpoint where headquarters of the S.U.C. is. They are like an elusive terrorist group, hiding amongst the populace only taking action when ordered to by their superiors. The S.U.C. want an all-out war, to create mayhem in the Murim world. The Sunwu clan can't move either or take action because their enemies will just use it as a excuse to attack them like in the past, the Sunwu clan is in no position to be declaring war on anyone since the clan is in shambles right now.

Sera cannot rely on the alliance either since they are preoccupied with the Black Forest Defense Group (9AD's group) and the escalating problems of murim fighting in the open along with other serious crimes. So its reasonable why Sera took that sort of action with Shioon, she also stated that since he's 9AD's only disciple, Shioon has the best chance to defeat and delegitimize S.U.C. by standing up against them.

When Shioon met 9AD (Chun-Woo Han) for the first time, he asked for his help despite knowing what kind of person he was since the beginning. Shioon has the ability to always see the good in other people, same with Sera and Shiho. Even after Shiho gave that dangerous medicine to Shioon (that nearly killed him) in part 1, he still trusts her after that incident. Additionally, This isn't the type of manwha where betrayal is a major theme, so I doubt it (your suspicions for Sera).





P.S. I'm not going to quote your whole post since it takes so much space and both of us seem to write a lot lol. Haha your just like me, I always get carried when I'm writing about something interesting. It's tough keeping my writing at a minimum and brief. Also, I edited out some stuff in my earlier post, so please read it again if you have time.

[Charlie]

It could be like that, but there is no evidence for it in any of Shioon's "thoughts" the author showed us. However as I said in my previous post, I think he did have options: Gyu-Bum and the SunWoo elder who taught him. Both of them are completely loyal to him over elder Kwon. The Heavenly Way school and their leader So-Chun Hyuk is another option (he really wanted him to progress as a martial artist so if there was a possibility, he would jump at it). I guess we'll see.

If he trained more with elder he would have improved his physical body's strength. I do not believe that kind of training would have helped him with his ki issue. Which is what ShiWoon was after the most. Same for Chun Hyuk, he might have been willing to help ShiWoon but thats not the kind of help Shiwoon was after.

I think by this stage, ShiWoon wants to protect and standup for what he believes with his own strength. Prove the SUC are fakes by using what he learned from 9arts. Using the sunwoo elder and Chun Hyuk would not have accomplished that. Its very probable he could have sought out either one of them. The Sunwoo clan might be harder to reach due to the elder Kwons influence.

Having said that I believe he can and might turn to them as they're his allies, if needed perhaps during a big fight against the suc.

The only moment where Shiwoon showed a thought to why Sera was helping or realizing was that brief moment where he talked to her about her motive. I don't remember the specific content or page but I think it was brief or passing covo.