Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2011 - 2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk [Archive] - Page 2

Newkerzy

November 04, 2011, 09:49 AM

I read the one shot of Nisekoi and I don't agree with the people who say that it will compete kagami. Kagami focuses more on romance whereas I didn't have that feeling with Nisekoi at all. Nisekoi had a romantic aspect like double arts had one too. The mangaka uses comedy, action in this manga too but for some reason this will be more a magico equivalent than a Kagami equivalent. No nisekoi won't be a fantasy manga but its romance will be developed like romance is used in magico rather than it is used in Kagami.

Actually, it all depends. Remember that one-shots/pilots can be totally different from the finalized version (series) so we won't know until we read the chapter later. Whether Komi wants to focus heavily on comedy, or go for a really nice balance between rom-com.

Kaiten

November 04, 2011, 02:08 PM

I'm not sure Amazon is good source to predict a tank sales.

Amazon selling out of copies is a great indicator. A major retailer selling out means that there is demand, and that demand was higher than expected. It does not mean that volume 1 will sell 100,000 copies it's first two weeks, but it does mean that sales for St&rs will be higher than average compared to the first volume of most other series. I fully expect that sales for the first week will be low, reflecting the scarcity of copies, with second week sales higher than usual for a new comer. St&rs is a really good manga, very high quality, I think it will find it's fanbase and recover from weak early polling.

Couldn't agree with Koen more about Nisekoi. It really does not have much in common with Kagami.

Crude

November 04, 2011, 04:30 PM

Although I don't read ST&RS (I fear it being cancelled), I really want to see it succeed. From what I've seen its something fresh and the art is very appealing (it kind of reminds me of Hoopmen, which was also by a former assistant of Eyeshield 21's Miura). Also, it has a sexy volume cover :D!

Nisekoi was an alright one-shot. I really enjoyed Double Arts, and if the relationship between the two (or three?) leads in Nisekoi is as good as the one between Kiri and Elly, then I think it'll do pretty well. Here's hoping that it does well.

Zeromcd

November 04, 2011, 04:44 PM

Unlike Kurogane where the series first chapter was almost exatcly like the oneshot, the Nisekoi series (based on the spoilers) is almost entirely different from the oneshot.

Differences
- The marriage promise that the protagonist made to a certain girl when he was a child
- The "Key"
- The blond haired girls appearance
- The black haired female character
- The protagonist might have one-sided feelings for the black haired character
- Blond haired girl transfered from America
- Spoilers don't say anything about the protagonist and the blond haired girl being a super smart honor students
- No Yakuza is mentioned, just that the blond haired girl is the daughter of a GANG boss and the protagonists father deals in firearms
- A time is given for how long the father wants them to fake being in love for..... 3 years
- The concept of the gift/meeting on christmas day thing in the oneshot is gone
- Nothing about action written in the spoilers (might occur later)

Stayed the same
- The overall theme of a "Promise"
- Protagonists appearance, name (and maybe personality?)
- Blond haired girl character, her name (and mabye personality?)
- Protagonist and the blond haired girl argue/fight with each other
- The concept of the protagonist and the blond haired girl going out against their wills to settle the conflict between the two groups

Asarii

November 05, 2011, 12:03 AM

It's nice to see variation with the genre so hopefully Nisekoi will survive and provide something new to the magazine. I have yet to read it, but it does look promising from the sound of it.

TOC: I'm sad that Beelzebub is ranked low because I'm actually enjoying this arc- the gags are hilarious too. I wouldn't have expected Bakuman's recent chapters to be able to beat OP. :o

The ranking for Sket Dance isn't bad per se, but it's still sad since it was snuggled within the top 5 for weeks.

Negative Syndicate

November 05, 2011, 11:10 AM

After I read first chapter of Nisekoi:

It is quite different from one shot, although the format is still same. Unlike other new series (like just revising its first chapter), Nisekoi showed more relationship building between Raku and Chitoge. So far, this series isn't that bad, but I'm not sure how it'll going to do against Kagami.

Westlo

November 05, 2011, 03:09 PM

ST&RS vol.1 has sold out on Amazon.

It's looking like it will probably sell 30,000-45,000 copies in its first week :D

Don't forget that Medaka Box Volume 1 sold out as well.. the problem was that they only printed 20,000 copies.. so the same could happen to STARS.

Negative Syndicate

November 05, 2011, 04:15 PM

It looks like Kochikame going to have an important announcement on next issue.

TemplateR

November 05, 2011, 04:42 PM

It looks like Kochikame going to have an important announcement on next issue.

Has Kochikame an Anime-Adaption ? If not, then this announcement is this about.

RocketWobbuffet

November 05, 2011, 04:51 PM

Has Kochikame an Anime-Adaption ? If not, then this announcement is this about.

There was an anime series that lasted from 1996 to 2004.
But I think the anouncement have something to do with the live-action movie.

Zeromcd

November 05, 2011, 06:31 PM

Nisekoi will be getting a Center Colour next issue with 25 pages.

I just read the RAW of Nisekoi and I really liked it, I hope it and Kagami can live together in Jump :D

AeonCalcos

November 06, 2011, 04:29 AM

Hi. I'm new here. I heard that Enigma was cancelled and replaced by a manga called Nisekoi. And this 'Gensō! Kodai Seibutsu-shi' manga will start this week. Cancellation of ST&RS confirmed? Too bad, I want to see these two manga to be animated.

Newkerzy

November 06, 2011, 04:49 AM

Nisekoi will be getting a Center Colour next issue with 25 pages.

I just read the RAW of Nisekoi and I really liked it, I hope it and Kagami can live together in Jump :D

I was kind of "ehhh" with it, actually. I was hoping it would be better than Kagami's debut. But I have some hopes for Komi.

Asgaroth

November 06, 2011, 08:28 AM

The One-Shot of Nisekoi was far better, because it happened more in it. The first Chapter felt streched, but he can't show all of the development between in one chapter, so it will progress more slowly. i liked the art, the colour page were the best i've seen so far. it had such a nice clean touche!

i think the biggest difference between nisekoi and kagami is the ecchi-ness. kagami is full of it and sometimes it feels like the author put it in, because he was forced to and didn't like it himself. i don't think that we will see any pantyshots in nisekoi or other sexy stuff, just candy cuteness heroines =)

Negative Syndicate

November 06, 2011, 09:21 AM

Cancellation of ST&RS confirmed?

No, it is not confirmed.

Zeromcd

November 06, 2011, 09:23 PM

Issue #49 Information
Lead CP/Cover/New Series: Gensō! Kodai Seibutsu-shi Packy
Center Colour: Nisekoi, Reborn, Kochikame
Extra Pages: Gensō! Kodai Seibutsu-shi Bakki (32pages), Nisekoi (25pages)
Absent: One Piece

Negative Syndicate

November 06, 2011, 10:44 PM

@Zeromcd

The title is Packy, not Bakki.

raDar

November 06, 2011, 10:58 PM

The preview page for Issue 49:
http://i.imgur.com/Jkvio.jpg

Asarii

November 06, 2011, 11:03 PM

I'm not really feeling the artwork in Packy since the face shape is similar to what I drew when I was twelve. However, it's a gag manga so I'll give it a pass. :p

Zeromcd

November 07, 2011, 12:21 AM

- Reborn! along with getting a CP this issue will also have its popularity character contest votes announced aswell.
- Kochikame along with getting a CP this issue will have a major announcement
- ST&RS vol.1 will be back in stock on Amazon in 2-4weeks

Negative Syndicate

November 07, 2011, 01:03 AM

http://blog-imgs-48.fc2.com/m/o/g/mogyutoloveru/to_111105_005.jpg

Kuroko and Medaka are having live stage along with other Shonen Jump's animated series. So, maybe the voice actors for these two series going to reveal in Jump Festa.

Kaiten

November 07, 2011, 01:17 AM

I'm not really feeling the artwork in Packy since the face shape is similar to what I drew when I was twelve. However, it's a gag manga so I'll give it a pass. :p

Typical gag manga, the art looks like scribbles :XD
Shame they all can't be like Arakawa or Saint Young Men.

I really enjoyed chapter 1 of Niseoki, very cute, very funny. Komi's art has really improved too, much more expressive than in previous stories.

Negative Syndicate

November 08, 2011, 10:59 PM

http://www.jumpfesta.com/booth/jumpstudio.html

Based on that link, it said the mangaka also appears in stage. So, we might see some of author's faces.

Bomber D Rufi

November 08, 2011, 11:05 PM

http://www.jumpfesta.com/booth/jumpstudio.html

Based on that link, it said the mangaka also appears in stage. So, we might see some of author's faces.

Shame that Sorachi isn't going to be there. He REALLY doesn't want to be seen, does he?

Negative Syndicate

November 08, 2011, 11:19 PM

Shame that Sorachi isn't going to be there. He REALLY doesn't want to be seen, does he?

Well, Gintama is included on Jump Super Stage and it said that mangakas also appear there, too. But, I'm not sure if Sorachi going to reveal his face.

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どべから　
ぬらり
すたーず
いぬまる
ベルゼ
ハンター

Issue 49 Bottom 5:
Hunter x Hunter
Beelzebub
Inumarudashii
St&rs
Nurarihyon no Mago

If Nurarihyon continues to be in last place, maybe Nurarihyon's relocation to SQ comes reality.

Haato

November 08, 2011, 11:45 PM

Negative Syndicate

November 09, 2011, 12:24 AM

meh, and there's St&rs right next to bottom again...I'm hopeful that it might survive because It's tanks are so far appearing to sell seemingly decently...but it's still just looming there in the bottom!! Rise Darn You!! RISE!! D:<

I personally don't think they'll relocate Mago to SQ, SQ is already chock full of other series and I don't think it needs any more right now(SQ19 could probably use some more series, but I wouldn't want to sentence a weekly manga to that Infrequent magazine), I personally think Shueisha's just going to Leave Mago as is; as a sad inescapable bottom dweller In wsj that sells really well in tanks.

Even St&rs tank sale is good, I don't think that'll help St&rs from cancellation since we already see what happened to Enigma.

For Nurarihyon, if it didn't move to SQ, then it is possible that the editors might axe Nurarihyon, like Shaman King.

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Issue 49 Cover

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7237/443964530.jpg

Bomber D Rufi

November 09, 2011, 12:52 AM

Well, Gintama is included on Jump Super Stage and it said that mangakas also appear there, too. But, I'm not sure if Sorachi going to reveal his face.

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Issue 49 Bottom 5:
Hunter x Hunter
Beelzebub
Inumarudashii
St&rs
Nurarihyon no Mago

If Nurarihyon continues to be in last place, maybe Nurarihyon's relocation to SQ comes reality.

Ah. If I recall properly, He's been to those but no one has ever seen him. Or has he actually gone? Who knows. Either way what he looks like will remain a mystery...

And Beelze has all but collapsed recently...I sure hope it doesn't get canned until it gets to a natural conclusion. Even with it's anime, the tanks haven't really risen much, and now it's polling badly. I'm worried about it.

Oberon

November 09, 2011, 03:38 AM

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まだＰＣ修理戻らず！携帯から勘弁だってばよ！！

巻頭現存！古代生物史パッキー
ナルト
銀玉
トリコ
バクマン
黒子
ニセコイ(Ｃ)
クロガネ
めだか
リボン(Ｃ)(キャラ人気投票発表)
スケット
マジコ
こち亀(Ｃ)
鏡の国
ブリーチ
ハンター
べるぜ
いぬまる
スターズ
ぬらり

50号めだか巻頭アニメ化進行中！

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超能力者斉木Ｃ

Jump #49 (14/11) :
Gensō! Kodai Seibutsu-shi Packy (Cover & Lead Color Page, New Series, 32 pg.)
Naruto
Gintama
Toriko
Bakuman
Kuroko no Basket
Nisekoi (Color Page, 25 pg.)
Kurogane
Medaka Box
Reborn! (Color Page, Popularity Contest Results)
Sket Dance
Magico
Kochikame (Color Page)
Harisugawa in Mirror world
Bleach
Hunter x Hunter
Beelzebub
Inumarudashi
ST&RS
Nurarihyon no Mago
One Piece (On Break)

#50:
Lead CP: Medaka Box (Anime Intro)
CP: Gensō! Kodai Seibutsu-shi Packy, Sket Dance, PSI Kusuo Saiki

Nayrael

November 09, 2011, 04:21 AM

Even St&rs tank sale is good, I don't think that'll help St&rs from cancellation since we already see what happened to Enigma.

For Nurarihyon, if it didn't move to SQ, then it is possible that the editors might axe Nurarihyon, like Shaman King.

The annoying thing about Nura is that we simply can't know at all what CAN happen. No WSJ Manga yet has been moved to SQ due to these reasons (those that were moved ended up having different reasons), not to mention that the move can hit Tankobon sales so by itself it is a bad investment, and from what I have seen Shaman King was canceled due to Tank sales falling for a long time which naturally means that Tank sales won't protect you any more.

Animeace

November 09, 2011, 04:34 AM

Bleach falling again for the love of.. we'll guess I shouldnt be surprised Fullbringers have been pretty much push overs with exception of the last few chaps. Still just dont really see the point of there introduction beside for Ichi getting his powers back. A Isshin gaiden and then some event launching them to the royal realm involving spirit King would be much more entertaining. Ichigo needs a goal something that drives him similar to Luffy and Naruto Royal realm would make for such a grand arch I want it to happen so bad come on Kubo pull it together!

meeedoooz

November 09, 2011, 04:56 AM

what the hell Bleach ?!! that's very disappointing i though it passed the rough times... but actually the chapters aren't that good...

on another note niiice Gintama:D i hope it always takes a place in the top 3, as for Naruto i guess it's on a roll and that's to be expected

raDar

November 09, 2011, 05:09 AM

Excited to see that "Anime Intro" thing for Medaka, maybe will officially know what studio will be doing it (*cough* GAINAX *cough*). I'm hoping for an OVA announcement for JUMP Festa. Lol at Bleach falling again... :teehee Though I'm glad to see Kurogane doing good in the rankings so far, I'm quite nervous about ST&RS. I could at least hope that it has good first volume sales.

Animeace

November 09, 2011, 05:12 AM

what the hell Bleach ?!! that's very disappointing i though it passed the rough times... but actually the chapters aren't that good...

It's just got in a real bad habit of recycling the same old stuff and I think Bleach fans are starting to get annoyed. Shingami's return was nice but besides there look nothing really changed would it kill to show off some new attacks/ abilities nearly 500 chaps and nadda same old kido same old attacks at least show some more bankai's or something.

R4n

November 09, 2011, 05:36 AM

http://www.jumpfesta.com/booth/jumpstudio.html

Based on that link, it said the mangaka also appears in stage. So, we might see some of author's faces.

I didn't see Akira Amano's name there, so am i correct to assume she/he won't be in the event? Shame, i want to see how she/he look like :p
Also, i am giddy from happiness knowing khr's going to have a cp and popularity poll results. *___*
IDK, i look down on the plot, but i still look forward to it every week for some shallow reasons like Hibari pretty art. :>

i am going to guess the poll result now: 1st Tsuna (or Hibari), 2nd Hibari (or Tsuna), 3rd Mukuro, 4th Gokudera. The top 4 hardly changes for 5 years, pffft. i do hope for some surprises

Zeromcd

November 09, 2011, 05:39 AM

#50:
Lead CP: Medaka Box (Anime Intro)
CP: Gensō! Kodai Seibutsu-shi Packy, Sket Dance, PSI Kusuo Saiki

Naruto will also be on hiatus on Issue #50.

Source ->HERE (http://jumpnetabare.greenpotion.net/article/234323775.html)<-

AeonCalcos

November 09, 2011, 06:07 AM

Chapter 465 of Bleach got that rank? Japanese readers hate Ginjo. I just hope that ST&RS rank will improve on chapter 13 onwards where the new character, Hinata, made an appearance. On the next round of cancellation, they should choose Magico or Kurogane. Magico will never be able to beat Fairy Tail and Jump should find a new magic themed manga. They should also serialize Hungry Joker as soon as possible.

@R4n

Akira Amano's page on MyAnimeList: http://myanimelist.net/people/1907/Akira_Amano

Divinenega

November 09, 2011, 06:13 AM

Kinda glad to see Kurogane is hanging in there at the moment. Isn't anything amazing, but it is interesting. Nura looks like it could be in for some bad times once the anime ends in Winter but I guess we'll see how it goes. Also glad to see Bleach falling as Kubo deserves the punishment for this terrible arc, but I;m annoyed it just dodged the bottom 5 when it should have been in there.

Can't wait for next week though. We'll finally get some solid info on the Medaka Box anime (and confirm if the Gainax rumors are indeed true). Really happy to see it get a cover again. It;s really deserved it's success in the polls lately.

Jaiden82

November 09, 2011, 06:39 AM

Surprised to see Bleach fall so hard this week, hope it returns back to where it was last week or better. Yay for Magico for making it's move like I want it too. Naruto taking the top spot was no surprise though. Mago at th bottom, what the hell!?

R4n

November 09, 2011, 07:06 AM

@R4n

Akira Amano's page on MyAnimeList: http://myanimelist.net/people/1907/Akira_Amano

I know about that picture because it floats around the fandom years ago. But there are suspicions that she is not Akira Amano due to unreliable sources and various other reasons. So... i will not 100% believe that photo :>
But thanks anyway! :)

Jaymie

November 09, 2011, 07:08 AM

It's nice to see Magico recover.

Nura's crap now, so its position is completely acceptable. I wonder if WSJ would actually go ahead and cancel it? I'm actually kind of curious to see what they'll do.

HxH is a bit low, but I don't even think its fanbase reads it in the magazine any more. They just buy the tanks.

Bleach's position is also acceptable. I love how the Japanese fanbase doesn't take any more BS from Kubo.

7sun

November 09, 2011, 07:57 AM

Wow Gintama!! Really good position this week. I thought toriko would get the second place.
Never expected that kurogane would do it that well and sket dance finally gets a color page.
The cover is strange, a green something jumps to the sky, I want to read the chapter :D

Haato

November 09, 2011, 08:10 AM

And~ Now that The Full TOC is up, I am quite happy with the rankings, I'm especially excited for that Medaka Box Cover~ XD

I laugh at Bleach's low rank in a sad way...I'm really hoping that the next arc will be good, because Kubo's had more than enough time to plan ahead and make a decent story considering how long slow and shallow this arc was.

Kubukurin

November 09, 2011, 08:13 AM

C'mon guys, Mago will never be axed, the sales are just too good, and also they're increasing. Last Mago volume sold just a little bit less than Toriko. They can't afford to axe a series which sells more than 300.000 copies for volume just for the bad rankings, it's ridicoulos.

Aikyet

November 09, 2011, 08:16 AM

Gintama is second. Couldn't care less about everything else.

Well, except for Beelzebub not letting Bleach take its rightful place in bottome five.

raDar

November 09, 2011, 08:24 AM

Should we really expect that Medaka will also have the cover next issue?

Inumaru

November 09, 2011, 08:36 AM

Very nice week for Gintama and Kuroko, i'm glad with this.
Packy looks funny, i want to read it too, but i think it'll never be translated, like Grimm.
Sket Dance's color pages are always welcome.

Drmke

November 09, 2011, 09:16 AM

On the next round of cancellation, they should choose Magico or Kurogane.

Why would they even consider canceling Kurogane right now? It's done nothing but rank quite well. Unless it just bombs straight to the bottom it will survive the next round of cancellations.

Googlez_kun

November 09, 2011, 09:36 AM

Why would they even consider canceling Kurogane right now? It's done nothing but rank quite well. Unless it just bombs straight to the bottom it will survive the next round of cancellations.

Guess it was more a wish than a prediction.

On another note,I guess Kubo's kinda misunderstanding his fans lately.

Mr. Prince

November 09, 2011, 10:13 AM

http://www.jumpfesta.com/booth/jumpstudio.html

Based on that link, it said the mangaka also appears in stage. So, we might see some of author's faces.
Well, I wouldn't get my hopes up too much. I've been following Jump FESTA for so many years and some authors, like Oda, Kishimoto and Kubo are there every year but due to very strict "No photos!" restrictions all over the place, we never get that much graphic material...

Jump #49 (14/11) :
Gensō! Kodai Seibutsu-shi Packy (Cover & Lead Color Page, New Series, 32 pg.)
Who actually started calling the series "gensō"!? I've been reading that over and over but the kanji clearly read "genson". I guess it's just loads of copypasta being served...
But maybe we can break that chain, eventually.

EDIT: Just read the raw, they are using the (slightly adjusted) reading "genzon".

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Bleach's position gives me facial cramps... Trollface won't wear off. I love these weeks. :tem

[Cross]

November 09, 2011, 10:17 AM

Should we really expect that Medaka will also have the cover next issue?

No, it's happened before that the lead CP doesn't always get the cover. But for the sake of the anime, I really hope this isn't one of those cases.

Negative Syndicate

November 09, 2011, 12:30 PM

http://natalie.mu/comic/news/59379

Shaman King's sequel, Shaman King -Flowers-, going to be serialized in Jump Kai on April of 2012. It is going to be about You's son, Hana.

Haato

November 09, 2011, 12:43 PM

http://natalie.mu/comic/news/59379

Shaman King's sequel, Shaman King -Flowers-, going to be serialized in Jump Kai on April of 2012. It is going to be about You's son, Hana.

Woah, That kinda came out of nowhere, You's son, huh? I think I'll look forward to this :) I wonder how similar the story will be to the original SK,

Googlez_kun

November 09, 2011, 12:49 PM

Didn't 'You' mean something like Leaf?Guess that's why his son is called Hana,despite the fact that it sounds like a female name.

[Cross]

November 09, 2011, 12:57 PM

I'm somewhat confused, I thought they already did this? Though that was probably a oneshot of sorts, more Shaman King so I guess it's something to look forward to.

Negative Syndicate

November 09, 2011, 02:19 PM

It is kind of weird to see that Yokoda Takuma, author who just released one shot few weeks ago, going to start his first serialization in Monthly Young Magzine (Kodansha).

Kaiten

November 09, 2011, 02:26 PM

OPN

November 09, 2011, 02:54 PM

http://natalie.mu/comic/news/59379

Shaman King's sequel, Shaman King -Flowers-, going to be serialized in Jump Kai on April of 2012. It is going to be about You's son, Hana.

im greatly disappointed in this news dont get my wrong i LOVE the shamen king manga but i cant see this being good since i dont see how they could do a story maybe im just butt hurt over that there isnt a new anime. this weeks toc made me both happy and sad. happy that bleach is polling bad again and happy that were getting medaka info next week though im surprised we didnt get kuroko anime info first since they already have the anime designs out.

Negative Syndicate

November 09, 2011, 03:07 PM

It is confirmed that St&rs's first week tank sale is lower than 24,710.

naruto-niichan

November 09, 2011, 03:11 PM

I am preparing myself for the sad, inevitable end of St&rs. Whatever comes of volume 1 it can't be enough to salvage a series that has barely polled above the bottom five. It does not appear that a more recent series will cushion it either. Both Kagami nor Kurogane are doing well, maybe not top five series but still, neither are bottom five fodder either. Hunter x Hunter will likely save a series, assuming he is only serializing twenty chapters it will go on hiatus towards the end of the month. I am expecting Magico to end this winter too. It's been almost a year and it has yet to set the world on fire. It rarely polls in the first half of the magazine and sales are mediocre, by Jump standards. I expect the editors will have seen enough that they would rather give Kurogane and Kagami a chance instead.

I gotta agree with you there Kaiten. It's a shame to see ST&RS going but I can't imagine that they will let it stay now that Kurogana and Kagami are ranking well. Not sure about Magico yet, the story doesn't seem to go in a direction were it could end soon, at least not for now. It may still have a chance of surviving if one of these series start to rate low or if both Nisekoi and the new gag manga rate low from the beginning.
It may be early but I really want Nisekoi to stay, the first chapter was fairly interesting/entertaining and I expect a good series from Komi.

The rest of the TOC is fine with me, just not happy about Mago still ranking so low. I really enjoy it and don't really get why it fell so low in the middle/end of the "Kyoto Arc".
Really hope it stays in WSJ.

Rejuvenation

November 09, 2011, 03:17 PM

I'm happy that Toriko grabbed a spot in the top 3 and Bakuman in the top 5. Kuroko got in the top 5 again as well. I really need to catch up with this series.

Medaka grabbing #7 is just fine with me. I'm really looking forward to the lead color next week and hopefully it manages to grab the cover as well. I want Kumagawa and Ajimu to be on it with Medaka. *wishful thinking*

Magico and Harusigawa are out of the bottom 5 which makes me happy. Both may or may not live a long time but I'll enjoy both for as long as they have got life.

Always nice to see Bleach low. So much for it "reclaiming" anything. The series has serious amounts of fatigue to it at this point.

As for the bottom 5, I'm perfectly fine with it. I don't care much about anything down there atm and Hunter x Hunter is never getting canceled.

http://natalie.mu/comic/news/59379

Shaman King's sequel, Shaman King -Flowers-, going to be serialized in Jump Kai on April of 2012. It is going to be about You's son, Hana.

Kai? Jesus how many Jumps are there now?

That being said, I am a Shaman King fanboy and will like revisiting the series once again.

Schabrak

November 09, 2011, 03:27 PM

Jump Square • Monthly Shōnen Jump • Weekly Shōnen Jump • V Jump • Hobby's Jump • Business Jump • Super Jump • Ultra Jump • Weekly Young Jump • Jump X[Kai] [some may be discontinued now hehe]

Enough, obviously not all for manga.^^ It's their brand and draws readers from other Shueisha magazines, like BILD here in germany.

Jaiden82

November 09, 2011, 06:31 PM

http://natalie.mu/comic/news/59379

Shaman King's sequel, Shaman King -Flowers-, going to be serialized in Jump Kai on April of 2012. It is going to be about You's son, Hana.

Really now!? Am looking for it being the Shaman King fan that I am.

It is confirmed that St&rs's first week tank sale is lower than 24,710.

Awww man....It didn't even crack 50,000? That sucks.

Kaiten

November 09, 2011, 06:56 PM

I gotta agree with you there Kaiten. It's a shame to see ST&RS going but I can't imagine that they will let it stay now that Kurogana and Kagami are ranking well. Not sure about Magico yet, the story doesn't seem to go in a direction were it could end soon, at least not for now. It may still have a chance of surviving if one of these series start to rate low or if both Nisekoi and the new gag manga rate low from the beginning.
It may be early but I really want Nisekoi to stay, the first chapter was fairly interesting/entertaining and I expect a good series from Komi.

The rest of the TOC is fine with me, just not happy about Mago still ranking so low. I really enjoy it and don't really get why it fell so low in the middle/end of the "Kyoto Arc".
Really hope it stays in WSJ.

Jump has never been afraid of canceled series having rushed endings. If Magico is next to go, it will go regardless of plot. I can't see any of the new series rating low enough, long enough to provide adequate cushion either. Nor can I really see St&rs surviving, unless the next round of cuts is further off than I think. If they are not going to cancel more series in late November/December things would be different.

Jump Square • Monthly Shōnen Jump • Weekly Shōnen Jump • V Jump • Hobby's Jump • Business Jump • Super Jump • Ultra Jump • Weekly Young Jump • Jump X[Kai] [some may be discontinued now hehe]

Enough, obviously not all for manga.^^ It's their brand and draws readers from other Shueisha magazines, like BILD here in germany.

Monthly Jump is long gone, SQ replaced it. Business and Super Jump have been merged into one magazine, Grand Jump (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-09-18/shueisha-starts-semi-monthly-manga-mag-for-grown-ups). The first issue comes out next week, on the 16th. It will have a monthly companion, Grand Jump Premium, debuting in December.

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Awww man....It didn't even crack 50,000? That sucks.

The first volume of a new series almost never sells 50,000 copies in it's first week, not unless there is a lot of hype or the mangaka is already famous. Toriko did, Bakuman did, but I can't think of anything else. Oricon does not reflect POS but the number of copies shipped to retailers. And retailers simply do not order large numbers of new books by first time authors. About 25,000 is normal for a new series, nothing wrong there. If it were polling better the number of copies sold would not even be worth discussing. But it would have been huge, almost unprecedented news if a new series, perennially in the bottom five, sold 50,000 copies it's first week.

DeidaraGrimmjow

November 09, 2011, 07:20 PM

The first volume of a new series almost never sells 50,000 copies in it's first week, not unless there is a lot of hype or the mangaka is already famous. Toriko did, Bakuman did, but I can't think of anything else.

Mago did. I belive that Beelzebub did too but I'm not 100% positive.

Kaiten

November 09, 2011, 07:56 PM

Just under 50,000 (http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/obc/w/2008-08-18/more/2/). But Mago did not debut in the bottom five, it was consistently in the top ten. Then again Double Arts debuted at 15 (http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/obc/w/2008-08-18/more/3/), selling 40,000 copies, and was canceled after three volumes. Beelzebub did break 50,000 but again, Beelzebub was consistently high ranking from the start. Series with hype, like Toriko or Beelzebub, sell over 50,000. Series without have slower starts. Series that initially chart high sell more there first week than those that do not. First week sales of the first volume of a new series mean less than chart position. And chart position means more than sales for brand new series.

kewl0210

November 09, 2011, 08:38 PM

Generally speaking, new authors don't get as many actual books printed. They don't announce how many get printed (except in rare cases like with One Piece where the number constantly breaks records) But if St&rs only got like 30K printed, even if it sold every copy it wouldn't be that high.

Though, seeing how popular Jump is, they may print a lot more even for new authors compared to other magazines.
So St&rs will be fine, and will get additional printings of the first volume really fast if it sells out. Which will lead to a larger initial printing of the second volume 3 months from now (assuming it's not canceled by then).

Negative Syndicate

November 09, 2011, 09:08 PM

St&rs failed to make into top 50.

Plus, based on Shueisha website, there is no plan for reprinting volume 1 of St&rs.

Asarii

November 09, 2011, 11:08 PM

↑ That sucks. :(

Bleach was redeeming itself (with its ranking) but seems to have fallen again. It's nothing to worry about because I'm sure it'll rise again.

Nurarihyon being dead last pains me because I remember a time when it was doing quite well.

Kaiten

November 09, 2011, 11:13 PM

It's been a while since Nura did well, mid-Kyoto arc was the last time I can remember consistently high rankings. It's had some good weeks, here and there, but it's been down a long time now. At least it has a home in SQ if it ever ends in Jump. I can not imagine an out right cancellation, nothing has really changed.

Asarii

November 09, 2011, 11:23 PM

Yeah, that was a long time ago wasn't it? I remember it had a lot of colour pages and was getting a lot of publicity in the magazine. #goodtimes

I agree that Mago won't be outright cancelled. If anything, WSJ would probably let Shiibashi tie up loose ends before concluding; whatever he had planned after the current storyline will most likely be the final arc.

Zeromcd

November 10, 2011, 03:07 AM

Jump Editorial Staff apologise about an error in Toriko vol.17.

Source ->HERE (http://www.shonenjump.com/j/toriko_oshirase/)<-

Animeace

November 10, 2011, 05:48 AM

Is there a thread where we can find all this years Jump Fiesta info? if not someone should make one.

kewl0210

November 10, 2011, 04:09 PM

It looks like Shimabukuro wanted to add an extra panel on one of the pages (an unimportant one during the montage of the Gourmet Shrine that showed a picture of a couple signs) and due to a mistake by the editorial department it was missed. And that it would be corrected in the 2nd printing, apparently, and they'll replace them free for anyone who wants it.

So, really not a big deal.

There'll probably be some news of the Medaka Box and Kuroko animes at Jump Festa.

Zeromcd

November 12, 2011, 06:47 AM

No big news for Kochi Kame in Jump 49.

I think the supposed big news was that 'Kochikame vol.177', 'Kochikame vol.999' and 'Akimoto Osamu SF Short Story Collections' is all going to be released the same day.

This was pretty much already common knowledge though for people that use the internet.

Oberon

November 12, 2011, 07:02 AM

Preview Jump #50:

http://thumbnails41.imagebam.com/15889/34298a158880714.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/34298a158880714) http://thumbnails65.imagebam.com/15889/ee4fa2158880761.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/ee4fa2158880761)

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If I understand correctly, Medaka Box's lead color consists in the presentation of cast and characters for the anime, the same intro that we could see in Jump #43 for Kuroko no Basket.

Zeromcd

November 12, 2011, 07:53 AM

The latest chapter of Bakuman announced that a 'Otter 11' Light Novel has been green-lit. It does not state whether it will be a series or a one-off volume.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks to Oberon for the preview page :D

Jump Issue #50 Information
Cover: Sket Dance
Lead CP: Medaka Box
Center Colour: Packy, Sket Dance, The Accident of Kuzuo Saiki (Oneshot)
Extra Pages: Nisekoi (23 pages)
Absent: Naruto

Additional
Sket Dance - Sale Information about the new Sket Dance opening them song by GACKT and an Interview with GACKT!
Medaka Box - A new project announcement and the latest information on the anime!
One Piece - The latest information on the newest goods!

Rejuvenation

November 12, 2011, 09:43 AM

OPN

November 12, 2011, 10:21 AM

Turns out Medaka didn't get the cover after all. Oh well, it is fine for now. I imagine the next time it does would be whenever the anime airs or for its 3rd year anniversary. Both are going to be pretty close to each other anyway. Sket Dance getting the cover and color is just as good. I'm curious about what this new project is going to be.

its probably a announcment about a jump fiesta ova. im looking foreward too medakas anime info since im curious to see whos going to be voicing the characters if they dont get the vomic voices im hoping they get miyuki sawashiro to do medaka but thats only if they dont get the vomic voice back.

Mr. Prince

November 12, 2011, 11:26 AM

Just finished reading Genzon! Kodai seibutsu-shi Packy and I can't really put it into words but I feel like I'm at least 15 year too old to find anything appealing in that story.
Maybe they rather should have started it in Saikyou JUMP...?

I mean, I do love some wacky Gag manga but I was not even close to laughing or being amazed/confused by Japanese randomness. Can't remember anything since Waji-mania that has been a bigger letdown.^^"
Oh, and for those wondering just what the f* that green thingy is actually supposed to be, it's a Pachycephalosaurus and thus head-butting at least one character or obstacle each page. (exaggeratedly spoken)

Negative Syndicate

November 12, 2011, 11:36 AM

It looks like SQ has better wacky/short page Gag manga series than Shonen Jump.

Inumaru

November 12, 2011, 12:42 PM

Where can i find the raw for Packy's first chapter?

Haato

November 12, 2011, 05:31 PM

hmm...I have to agree with Mr.Prince for Packy. XD I like to root for new series...but this one I just did not like, the art especially turns me off. I'm interested to see if it will be accepted by Jump readers..

Asarii

November 13, 2011, 10:33 PM

Is there a thread where we can find all this years Jump Fiesta info? if not someone should make one.

The Festa is a once a year event so I don't think it would need a post of its own. Information can be posted in this thread.

Zeromcd

November 14, 2011, 01:09 AM

I just read Packy..... I thought Grimm was better. Packy was pretty bad, in both the art (as expected of a gag series) and comedy. This was nowhere near has funny nor entertaining as Inumaru Dashi, Beelzebub, Sket Dance or Gintama. I guess Jump needed a pillow for Nurarihyon though.

Just like Mr Prince said, it really should have been serialised in Saikyo Jump.

Inumaru

November 14, 2011, 08:04 AM

Packy was very funny. I really enjoyed it more than Nisekoi/Kurogane/Harisugawa/St&rs first chapters. But i think it'll quickly become a bottom dweller, because kids and young adults nowadays just want to see cool characters doing cool things.

Negative Syndicate

November 14, 2011, 10:03 PM

I wonder why the editors keep putting Saiki Kusuo as one shot rather than start as new series. I, personally, think Saiki Kusuo is much better than Packy.

Animeace

November 15, 2011, 09:43 AM

The Fiesta is a once a year event so I don't think it would need a post of its own. Information can be posted in this thread.

There's enough going on here as it is it be better to have a it's own topic where we can just talk fiesta news there's more then enough discussion value with all the booth set ups and creator/seiryu interviews that will come out and it be a lot more organized. It's a pain to have to go back so many pages just to look something up.

Jump Fiesta is a big event would make great front page stuff not a lot of ppl cover it could bring more traffic to the site. Got to be open to trying new things:)

Negative Syndicate

November 15, 2011, 10:57 AM

Why people keep saying Jump Fiesta? It is Jump Festa.

Asclepius

November 15, 2011, 01:36 PM

Festa means party in portuguese. I wonder if the founder was a fan or brazilian football or Ayrton Senna...

Anyway, the event will be in one month and still no news about OVAs? Not even for the most popular series?

Negative Syndicate

November 15, 2011, 01:48 PM

Anyway, the event will be in one month and still no news about OVAs? Not even for the most popular series?

I think there might not going to ba OVA in this year. The Jump Festa OVA is called Jump Festa/Super Anime Tour, and Anime Tour usually start around fall (September to November) on different cities. That means the announcement for OVAs usually start around summer, since there is no news about OVA yet, so I think there might not going to be OVAs this year.

Animeace

November 15, 2011, 01:49 PM

Why people keep saying Jump Fiesta? It is Jump Festa.

It funner to say it that way:3c you can draw the same meaning:hee

To bad Sket got cover over Medaka but still get a color and anime preview look forward to seeing cast.

Josef K.

November 15, 2011, 02:05 PM

No off topic posts please. -_-;

I really thought that One Piece would have color this week, though I think it got a color just recently, and now I think Naruto will get color next week, generally I get the feeling that I always think color pages come after breaks, it happens some time though. And I really want to see this weeks Bleach ranking, it was down then up, then last week down again, roller coaster really.

Negative Syndicate

November 16, 2011, 12:38 AM

23 ：T ◆27p9/DnZE//X ：2011/11/16(水) 15:25:07.25 発信元:218.46.108.181
どべから
スターズ
はりすがわ
ﾏｼﾞｺ
ベルゼ
ハンター

Issue 50 Bottom 5:
Hunter x Hunter
Beelzebub
Magico
Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa
St&rs

At this rate, I think we should prepare for St&rs' cancellation.

Asgaroth

November 16, 2011, 12:53 AM

Issue 50 Bottom 5:
Hunter x Hunter
Beelzebub
Magico
Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa
St&rs

At this rate, I think we should prepare for St&rs' cancellation.

which chapter of kagami was rated? because some chapters in the middlepart were boring, so its nothing unexpected for me.

Negative Syndicate

November 16, 2011, 12:59 AM

which chapter of kagami was rated? because some chapters in the middlepart were boring, so its nothing unexpected for me.

It will be either chapter 11 or 12 (since I think there is still debate about first ranking starts either chapter 8 or 9).

Oberon

November 16, 2011, 04:18 AM

262 名前：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2011/11/16(水) 19:12:45.56 ID:1A/nyWXpP

表紙はスケット
巻頭めだか
ワンピース
銀魂
バクマン
リボーン
古代生物
トリコ
ニセコイ
スケット　C
クロガネ
黒子
斉木　C
ぬらり
ブリーチ
こち亀
いぬまる
ハンター
べるぜ
マジコ
鏡の国
スターズ

51号　C＆巻頭　こち亀
ブリーチ　C
クロガネ　C
ワンピ15周年記念ページ

http://thumbnails63.imagebam.com/15960/4a0be7159596051.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/4a0be7159596051)

Jump #50 (21/11) :
Medaka Box (Lead Color Page, Anime Details)
One Piece
Gintama
Bakuman
Reborn!
Gensōn! Kodai Seibutsu-shi Packy (Color Page)
Toriko
Nisekoi (23 pg.)
Sket Dance (Cover, Color Page)
Kurogane
Kuroko no Basket
PSI Kusuo Saiki (Color Page, One Shot)
Nurarihyon no Mago
Bleach
Kochikame
Inumaru Dashi
Hunter x Hunter
Beelzebub
Magico
Harisugawa in Mirror world
ST&RS
Naruto (On Break)

#51:
Lead CP: Kochikame
CP: Bleach, Kurogane

One Piece in Jump #51 celebrates 15 years of serialization with a special page

Zeromcd

November 16, 2011, 04:45 AM

#51:
Lead CP: Kochikame
CP: Bleach, Kurogane

One Piece in Jump #51 celebrates 15 years of serialization with a special page

Kochikame will be getting 2 chapters next issue. One of them will have a Lead Colour and the other will have a Center Colour.

Also, damn Harisugawa fell =(

Kubukurin

November 16, 2011, 04:50 AM

I think Jump will celebrate the One Piece's 15 year of serialization like the 10 years one, so a lot of cover and the spine of the magazine, and the 2012 will be the year of the celebration, like they did in the past.
So:
2007: One Piece's 10 years of serialization anniversary
2008: ?
2009: Naruto's 10 years of serialization anniversary
2010: Bleach's 10 years of serialization anniversary
2011: Kochikame's 35 years of seriliazation anniversary
2012: One piece's 15 years of serialization anniversary (?)
2013: Gintama's 10 years of serialization anniversary (?)

Who had the spine back in 2008?

AeonCalcos

November 16, 2011, 04:55 AM

It's end of the line for ST&RS.
And it also looks like Harisugawa will end before the start of 2012. Magico will run until mid January and will get axed.

Rise up Bleach and Beelzebub.:jbya

Cavallone Dino

November 16, 2011, 05:08 AM

Great Reborn on 4th !!
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why beelzebub is so bottom ?
i think kurugane is stupid and copy from shaman king

purrr

November 16, 2011, 05:08 AM

Who had the spine back in 2008?

It was One Piece.

fyr : http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/22065-Weekly-Shounen-Jump-(Shounen-Mag-by-Shueisha)-Archive-2008-and-older

Westlo

November 16, 2011, 05:14 AM

Gainax confirmed for the Medaka Box anime.

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-5289.html

Kubukurin

November 16, 2011, 05:16 AM

For the 10 years anniversary?

Btw this is the best 2011 ToC for Mago and the worst for Harisugawa.

OPN

November 16, 2011, 05:51 AM

Gainax confirmed for the Medaka Box anime.

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-5289.html

i dont recognise the director....and when i wiki'd and looked at ann for his name he didnt have a result....which can only mean hes a new guy oh well maybe the other staff will be gainax regulers. the key visual art however does look good.
the toc looks about as i expected it so no surprise. st%rs is defenitley going to be axed with its poor sales and bad ranking.

Newkerzy

November 16, 2011, 05:55 AM

Well, not too surprising, considering those ranked chapters were rather boring and more about transition. The recent chapters should bring it back up again.

Zeromcd

November 16, 2011, 06:12 AM

Shounen Jump Issue #50 announced that Medaka Box will be getting a Novel!The Author is (of course) Nishio Oshin.

Jaiden82

November 16, 2011, 06:13 AM

Bakuman and Reborn 3rd and fourth, cool!:) Mago rebounded huge from last week. Awwww ST&RS, please don't get cancelled.

OPN

November 16, 2011, 06:13 AM

Shounen Jump Issue #50 announced that Medaka Box will be getting a Novel!

considering who the author of the manga is im not surprised at all but it should be good since it will likely have the same author nisioisn doing it.

Divinenega

November 16, 2011, 06:25 AM

i dont recognise the director....and when i wiki'd and looked at ann for his name he didnt have a result....which can only mean hes a new guy oh well maybe the other staff will be gainax regulers. the key visual art however does look good.
the toc looks about as i expected it so no surprise. st%rs is defenitley going to be axed with its poor sales and bad ranking.

Actually I checked the directors name using the kanji instead of relying on google translator(piece of crap). His name is Shouji Saeki(google translate gave me a completely different first name) The guy directed This Ugly and Beautiful World, He is My Master, and a few episodes of FLCL and Gurren Laggan so he's a Gainax regular it would seem. Still would have been nice if it was Imashi though...

As for the TOC, there's nothing too surprising going on, though it looks like Nura's left the doghouse and St&rs and Harisugawa are headed there. Magico looks like it could be in trouble too. It just really isn't a good time to be a new series in JUMP it seems...

Animeace

November 16, 2011, 06:51 AM

Kurogane still holding strong look for beelzebub to pick back here soon now that action has picked back up.

Haato

November 16, 2011, 07:22 AM

Shounen Jump Issue #50 announced that Medaka Box will be getting a Novel!The Author is (of course) Nishio Oshin.

Sweet~ this makes me happy♥ is there any news on when it will be made available?

7sun

November 16, 2011, 09:43 AM

The Cover from Sket Dance is really cool, i'm looking forward too see the color page.
Gintama is very high again :D
I hope Beelzebub rise up, i can't belive that the story is so worse now.
Bakuman is high again, i think i should read it. And it seems kurogane is doing well so far.

Negative Syndicate

November 16, 2011, 11:15 AM

This week's St&rs ranking is based on chapter 12 or 13; I started to get why those chapters are so rushed. I think the reason is the examination arc didn't have good reception, so the editors must told the authors to end the arc quickly to move to their actual school life as soon as possible. Since, the pace of this series has settled down, so I'm looking forward on how it'll do in this arc.

For Beelzebub, the ranking is based on its (another) training-arc. So, as soon as the recent chapters got ranked, I think Beelzebub can restore its ranking.

OPN

November 16, 2011, 02:39 PM

Actually I checked the directors name using the kanji instead of relying on google translator(piece of crap). His name is Shouji Saeki(google translate gave me a completely different first name) The guy directed This Ugly and Beautiful World, He is My Master, and a few episodes of FLCL and Gurren Laggan so he's a Gainax regular it would seem. Still would have been nice if it was Imashi though...

As for the TOC, there's nothing too surprising going on, though it looks like Nura's left the doghouse and St&rs and Harisugawa are headed there. Magico looks like it could be in trouble too. It just really isn't a good time to be a new series in JUMP it seems...

ah ya looking at the ann article i was mistaken but looking at the directors past works my expectations have been restored though i wish we got the sieyuu cast....

Zeromcd

November 16, 2011, 07:06 PM

OPN

November 16, 2011, 07:31 PM

The Kuroko no Basket and Medaka Box Anime's will both begin broadcasting in April together.

I also just purchased ST&RS volume 1 and it was really enjoyable. I'll be sad to see if it gets cancelled but i'm expecting it to happen.

well thats surprising...i was expecting kuroko to air in winter but i guess that season will have no new jump anime.

Negative Syndicate

November 16, 2011, 07:41 PM

well thats surprising...i was expecting kuroko to air in winter but i guess that season will have no new jump anime.

Do we consider SPoT as Jump anime or SQ anime?

OPN

November 16, 2011, 08:28 PM

Do we consider SPoT as Jump anime or SQ anime?

i think we should probably classify it as a SQ anime since unlike its last series its not in jump.

Zeromcd

November 16, 2011, 10:17 PM

The One Piece movie Strong World wil be broadcasting on Fuji T/V November 19th, 9:00pm.

Some important news will also be announced at that time. There is some speculation that it might be another movie announcement.

ick

November 17, 2011, 04:12 PM

While ago I see a list with the selling numbers of the most important Shonen Jump titles (old one too like DB, JoJo or HnK).
Does anyone know where I can find it? Possibly updated?

Zeromcd

November 17, 2011, 09:34 PM

Every week in a certain thread on 2ch. Members rate the Jump series from 1-5 (with 1 being the least interesting and 5 being the most interesting) and a certain person accumulates of the votes together. These are not an actual reflection on how the series will do when the actual rankings come but are nice to see how the Japanese intertenters think about the current chapters.

Jump Issue #48 Series Opinions
１.HunterXHunter ..……（359）　
２.Naruto . .....…（287）　
３.Inumaru Dashi ...…（264）　
４.Bakuman....…（239）　
５.Kagami no Kuni .......…（235）　
６.Nisekoi ...…（223）　
７.Medaka Box..……（204）　
８.Bleach . …（191）　
９.Gintama ………（184）　　
10.Kuroko no Basket ………（174）　
11.KochiKame .......…（166）　
12.Sket Dance......…（165）　
13.ST&RS . …（158）
14.Nurarihyon no Mago (157)
15.Magico . .....…（153）　
16.One Piece .......…（150）　　
17.Beelzebub ......…（139）　
18.Reborn! . …（125）　　　
19.Kurogane....…（123）

There also wasn't much discussion going on so i thought i'ld try to liven it up :D

Edit: Nurarihyon's votes

AeonCalcos

November 18, 2011, 12:06 AM

I agree in some parts of this poll. Kurogane is currently the most boring manga to read in Jump. The Arcobaleno Arc of Reborn is quite entertaining but that chapter of Tsuna and his Dad is not that good. One Piece is just throwing random fights and I'm glad Oda finished it in this week's chapter. It looks like Jinbei will be the new nakama and I'm not happy about it. They need Weakihoshi instead of him. And on Bleach, things get more clearer and clearer which is good. HxH Aluka chapters are as good as the latest Naruto chapters. And on that rivalry, I choose Kagami no Kuni instead of Nisekoi.

Asarii

November 18, 2011, 12:23 AM

↑ In the future, remember to add a spoiler tag when talking about a chapter of a series in detail.

Reborn has broken the top 5 so it seems that the current arc is doing pretty well. Here's hoping it won't go downhill in the latter half. I can breathe easily at Nurarihyon's ranking.

Boo at Beelzebub and ST&RS' rankings. :(

k-dom

November 18, 2011, 01:28 AM

One Piece place being so low makes me wonder. The current arc displeases more One Piece fans than usual ; it seems the same on 2ch but we still have to see it in the TOC. Bleach and Bakuman place was seriously impacted by their weak plot but so far One Piece is not. Maybe it's too early since the most hated chapters are yet to be ranked but still that is a huge difference !
And seriously Beelzebub third from the last with 48 issue chapter ! If it's I suck at math we are talking about I really don't understand.

Kaiten

November 18, 2011, 01:48 AM

A well deserved first place for Hunter x Hunter, so far the new arc has been brilliant. Fishman Island has been a bit of a disappointment but I would not put it that low. Fishman Island, Skypeia, and Davey Back are my least favorite arcs of the Grand Line.

R4n

November 18, 2011, 05:02 AM

Jump Issue #48 Series Opinions
１.HunterXHunter ..……（359）　
２.Naruto . .....…（287）　
３.Inumaru Dashi ...…（264）　
４.Bakuman....…（239）　
５.Kagami no Kuni .......…（235）　
６.Nisekoi ...…（223）　
７.Medaka Box..……（204）　
８.Bleach . …（191）　
９.Gintama ………（184）　　
10.Kuroko no Basket ………（174）　
11.KochiKame .......…（166）　
12.Sket Dance......…（165）　
13.ST&RS . …（158）
14.Nurarihyon no Mago
15.Magico . .....…（153）　
16.One Piece .......…（150）　　
17.Beelzebub ......…（139）　
18.Reborn! . …（125）　　　
19.Kurogane....…（123）

I got to agree with HxH's and Reborn! position. KHR been painfully boring these last 3 chapters... ugh. HxH on the other hand is more interesting than anything else i read atm.

Zeltrax

November 18, 2011, 05:37 AM

juUnior

November 18, 2011, 09:40 AM

WoW <not the game xd>, I'm surprised how low OP's new arc is now viewed.. though I'm not shocked, many, many fans believe the current arc its really, really, hmm, boring? Still, I'm surprised a little bit at HOW low it is viewed.

Bomber D Rufi

November 18, 2011, 10:18 AM

Uh not really. From what I know, Most japan netizens have been constant haters of op since before and most of them really like naruto.
They find op generic..and they are the same people who are huge fans of vns, moe stuff etc(do I need to mention the otaku/neet population?). To put it short, they don't really care about jump series..at least a majority of jump series. On the other hand the people who actually vote for the ToC is not made up netizens, the netizens really make a small group of voters. Kurogane hate seems to be from the fact that the author is not so popular online..and maybe it not so brilliant story, I'm not sure because I'm not up to date.
I don't have any source to what I said, just my 2 cents.
Also I don't find the current op arc bad at all. It's not the best but it's good esp when I look at the larger picture oda is trying to show.

Lulz, so using the audeince angle and taking it to it's logical conclusion...would the only reason why HXH is so high with the net otaku be that Alluka is extremely moe? (Despite being really scary?)

In all seriousness, yeah. One piece is pretty much anti most things that are popular in anime and manga nowadays, and mostly the types who like the anime produced in large quanities frequent 2ch. This poll thing is a good way to kill some time, as long as people realize this is only the opinion of a very small minority and not reflective of any sort of official polling number.

shezar

November 18, 2011, 10:52 AM

Naruto that high...,i would put it in last,so much waste in this war,last time i got some kind of emotion out of it was with certain clam guy,best the war had to offer so far (few laughs with him).Disagree with most of the poll,but its funny that Kochikame and Gintama are almost always in middle,its like a predilect spot for gag mangas (in bakuman i think they say something similiar).
Hmm 4 of them i didnt read them yet (Inumaru dashi, ST&RS,Kuroko no basket and Nurarihyon no Mago).Oh well i barely pay attention to the polls,most are bit useless.

Asgaroth

November 18, 2011, 11:52 AM

sorry but in my opinion one piece's recent arc is so bad that i think about stop reading it and wait a year...

i'm also warching nuras second anime season and must say, i see why its so unpopular. not because its bad, but the theme isn't suited for japanese, they like more colorful things and funny ones like op, but nura is dark und bloody, which isn't favoured by young ones.

meeedoooz

November 18, 2011, 01:19 PM

that poll makes a lot of sense ... the last few chapters of HXH are really wonderful especially the last one... i think it will take a place in the top 5 when it's ranked ( i hope it takes the first place )...

as for naruto the last 10 chapters or so have been Great and it deserves the 1st place most of the times like it did...

agree with what you guys said about one piece... the arc isn't that good, i actually stopped reading it until this arc if finished

[Cross]

November 18, 2011, 05:54 PM

I guess opinions differ, I've really enjoyed the current arc so far. Anyway, while that poll isn't much to go by, it is interesting to see how our internet counterparts see things.

Kaiten

November 18, 2011, 06:54 PM

^Exactly, I am not drawing profound conclusions from a 2ch poll. I've spent enough time at the interweb not to take anything that originates from 2ch or 4chan very seriously. But it is fun seeing how their taste reflects, or does not reflect, my taste.

Personally I think since Naruto and Bee returned Naruto has been pretty good, not great, not at a series high but pretty good. One Piece has not been great by OP standards but is still better than most anything else, especially most anything else Jump (seriously, it's Jump not Afternoon or Big Comic Spirits :p). While slightly flat by series standards the Fishman Island arc still has a depth of storytelling and depth rarely seen in other manga. Even at their best lesser lights such as Magico could never dream of the thoughtful, intelligent discourse on cross-generational intolerance, anger, persecution, and fanaticism underlying the Fishman Island arc. The only manga in Jump with the same depth of story telling is Hunter x Hunter. Comparing anything else to those two, even when they are not quite at their best, is simply unfair.

Zeromcd

November 19, 2011, 02:34 AM

Negative Syndicate

November 19, 2011, 02:50 AM

The Oneshot "Welcome to the Competitive Dance Club" published in Issue #46 has received a fantastic reception throughout the Japanese internet and even the author of One Piece himself commented on it being amazing (actually word used) in the end of Jump general author comments page.

Lots of people were saddened to hear that after Dance Club was published, the author was announced to serialise a news series in Monthly Young Magazine Issue #1 released on December 19th (Preview Image ->HERE (http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/nyussoku/imgs/b/b/bb28305d.jpg)<-)

Because Monthly Young Magazine is published by Kodansha many people have lost the hope they had of Dance Club being published.

Oda's comment about Dance Club being amazing has raised some eyebrows as the comment was made after it was already announced the author was beggining his new series in Young Magazine.

The author of "Welcome to the Competitive Dance Club" has gotten many interests to readers because the author is well known for making many web mangas.

Yokoda Takuma, the author of one shot, created Onanii Master Kurosawa, Chikan Otoko, and Tsunbaka under the name "Yoko." That's why there were many interests on his one shot.

It is kind of weird since he expressed he wanted to work under Jump and he come close to it. But, he ended starting his first serialization in different mangazine (however, a new series is manga-adaptation of novel, so it is not his original story).

Oberon

November 19, 2011, 05:02 AM

Preview Jump #51:

http://thumbnails25.imagebam.com/16012/9a06ad160113590.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/9a06ad160113590)http://thumbnails45.imagebam.com/16012/d250f8160113537.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/d250f8160113537)

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It seems that Kochikame will really have two chapters, one with the Lead CP and the other with a Color Page.
As laid down in ToC, CP will go to Bleach and Kurogane.

meeedoooz

November 19, 2011, 05:55 AM

Divinenega

November 19, 2011, 06:39 AM

Hmm it would seem there is a 3rd project for Medaka Box besides the novel and anime: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-11-19/shonen-jump/medaka-box-has-3rd-project-besides-anime-novel

I;m curious as to what it could be, but it'll probably be something obvious(part of me hopes for fighting game, just because of how over the top it could be). Kind of nice to see it get so much recognition after struggling so long to get popular, but now that it is I guess JUMP plans to milk the NisiOshin name for all it's worth.

R4n

November 19, 2011, 07:31 AM

all this talk about 'welcome to the competitive dance club' suddenly make me want to read it so bad. Does anyone know whether it had been translated? or at least where i can download the raw?
i am very curious now :D

googling it resulted in actual dance clubs websites... xDDD

k-dom

November 19, 2011, 07:54 AM

If it is as good as Onani master, I understand the deception. I wonder how an independent artist will fit to serialization business. Not that it is incompatible, but I hope he can keep some of his singularity.

[Cross]

November 19, 2011, 01:55 PM

Negative Syndicate

November 19, 2011, 02:49 PM

;2674531']If I had to guess, it's probably a drama CD. A fighting game would be great.

Does Medaka Box needs drama CD? Since, it is getting much better thing, called anime.

[Cross]

November 19, 2011, 04:26 PM

Does Medaka Box needs drama CD? Since, it is getting much better thing, called anime.

By that logic, then there's no need for a light novel either because it already has a manga. This seems to be a transmedia effort, and a drama cd might just have random filler anyway for fanservice so it's probably more likely than a game is (though I'm still wishing it is a game even though it won't be).

Zeromcd

November 19, 2011, 04:47 PM

A new One Piece Movie was announced last night after the televesion broadcasting of Strong World.

Source ->HERE (http://twitter.com/?photo_id=1#!/manganewsjapon/status/138009715388055552/photo/1/large)<- or ->HERE (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com.au/news/2011-11-19/one-piece-gets-new-film-set-in-new-world-arc)<-

Zeltrax

November 20, 2011, 12:52 AM

A little offtopic..I'm not sure if that's smart to say that it's going to better than strong world..and I think its too early.

Tbh, I don't want to be pessimistic but I won't get my hopes up. Mainly because I'm pretty sure the anime will still be in FI island when
the movie is released and whatever toei is going to do in that movie, the location of it will be the official first island in the new world.
Obviously, the plot won't be messed up if they work with oda but I'm not interested seeing the first place/boss of the new world in movie form.
Sure, SH have flashy moves now so there will be awesomeness.

Negative Syndicate

November 20, 2011, 10:47 AM

Murata has presented the color page of his new work (he said it is one shot). It is still unknown on which mangazine it'll be released at.

http://s1-05.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/451172629.png

Asgaroth

November 20, 2011, 11:15 AM

Murata has presented the color page of his new work (he said it is one shot). It is still unknown on which mangazine it'll be released at.

this one looks gorgeous. maybe a historical typ set in a desert style country, like aladin?

offtopic: does anyone know which chapter of nuraryhion is cover up in the second season? i want to read the manga after the last one, it's a accurat adaption or not?

Haato

November 20, 2011, 11:17 AM

Murata has presented the color page of his new work (he said it is one shot). It is still unknown on which mangazine it'll be released at.

Is this the same Murata that illustrated Eyeshield 21?
That's a very nice page :3 I hope the oneshot does well

Negative Syndicate

November 20, 2011, 11:19 AM

Is this the same Murata that illustrated Eyeshield 21?

Yes, he is.

susanoo13

November 20, 2011, 12:48 PM

The second season of Nurarihyon is fillerless so far and I believe that it will be up to the end of it, if you haven't read the chapters that comprise the first season yet saw the first season I would suggest that you'd at least read the arc that covers the second half of it which is somewhere about chapter 20-47.

The chapters that comprise the second season would probably be 48-132(plus the first chapter that is episode 1) and there is extra footage that is not being animated, the animation of this season is great yet it would probably have a much better pace if it was done as a 52/64 episodes from the get go by this director. (the director of the first series in known for distorting good manga's stories such as Hoshin Engi and Samurai Deeper Kyo)

Josl

November 20, 2011, 03:29 PM

I’m thinking of posting those regularly, because I find it interesting what our counterparts on 2chan are thinking about the “ToC” ranking. I find this thread appropriate for it but if the mods don’t think so, I can open a new thread for it. I thought about opening a new thread for it where our forum can do the same but there are two problems:
1) It was already done once and the participation was really really low
2) Not all series get scanlation and some scanlations are weeks late

Bear in mind that the following ranking are not an actual reflection on how the series will do when the actual rankings come out but only a nice little pastime for very few people on 2chan.

How does it work?
They give every series they read a score between 1(the lowest), 5(the highest) and 0 for unread series.

What do the numbers mean?
The first column is the sum of all scores
The second column is the number of people who have read the series and given points
The third column is the average rating from ALL the people, including those who have not read it. (First column divided by number of participants)
The fourth column is the average rating from those people who have read the series. (First column divided by the second column)

Bear in mind that the following “ranking” is for issue 49. The one where there was no One Piece. The Japanese are getting their WSJ on Monday (5 days AFTER we get the scanlations) and the ranking process is 1 week long until the next WSJ comes out. By the way, the numbers of participants for Issue 48 were 88 people

Issue 49:
Number of participants: 91
Absent series: One Piece

01) Hunter (393) (89) (4.31) (4.41)
02) Toriko (259) (89) (2.84) (2.91)
03) Medaka (245) (80) (2.69) (3.06)
04) Kagami no Kuni (242) (82) (2.65) (2.95)
05) Naruto (239) (76) (2.62) (3.14)
06) Inumarudashi (236) (77) (2.59) (3.06)
07) Bakuman (200) (86) (2.19) (2.32)
08) Kuroko (195) (75) (2.14) (2.60)
09) Nisekoi (195) (81) (2.14) (2.40)
10) Kochikame (195) (75) (2.14) (2.60)
11) Magico (190) (69) (2.08) (2.75)
12) Bleach (182) (82) (2.00) (2.21)
13) Gintama (179) (71) (1.96) (2.52)
14) Stars (163) (70) (1.79) (2.32)
15) Sket Dance (162) (75) (1.78) (2.16)
16) Reborn (152) (53) (1.67) (2.86)
17) Beelzebub (151) (75) (1.65) (2.01)
18) Kurogane (139) (71) (1.52) (1.95)
19) Mago (124) (57) (1.36) (2.17)
20) Pakki (123) (70) (1.35) (1.75)

Source (http://yuzuru.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/wcomic/1320700112/281n-):
【49号集計結果・得点順に並び替え／91レス中】
（総得点数）（評価数）（未読を０とした平均得点）（評価数の中での平均得点）

１.ハンタ ..……（393）（89）（4.31）（4.41）
２.トリコ ....…（259）（89）（2.84）（2.91）
３.めだか..……（245）（80）（2.69）（3.06）
４.鏡の国.......…（242）（82）（2.65）（2.95）
５.ナルト . .....…（239）（76）（2.62）（3.14）
６.まるだし ...…（236）（77）（2.59）（3.06）
７.バクマン....…（200）（86）（2.19）（2.32）
８.黒子 ………（195）（75）（2.14）（2.60）
９.ニセコイ . …（195）（81）（2.14）（2.40）
10.こち亀 .......…（195）（75）（2.14）（2.60）
11.マジコ . .....…（190）（69）（2.08）（2.75）
12.ブリーチ . …（182）（82）（2.00）（2.21）
13.銀魂 ………（179）（71）（1.96）（2.52）
14.スターズ . …（163）（70）（1.79）（2.32）
15.スケット......…（162）（75）（1.78）（2.16）
16.リボーン . …（152）（53）（1.67）（2.86）
17.べるぜ ......…（151）（75）（1.65）（2.01）
18.クロガネ....…（139）（71）（1.52）（1.95）
19.ぬらり....……（124）（57）（1.36）（2.17）
20.バッキー. .…（123）（70）（1.35）（1.75）

満足度（評価数の中での平均得点の平均）＝2.60

Zeromcd

November 20, 2011, 09:52 PM

Asarii

November 20, 2011, 09:58 PM

Knowing what 2ch thinks would be pretty interesting because they're older than the average reader of WSJ and tend to be pretty cynical. Regardless of that message board's reputation, their unofficial rankings should provide some food for thought.

Rejuvenation

November 21, 2011, 12:24 AM

http://thumbnails63.imagebam.com/15960/4a0be7159596051.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/4a0be7159596051)

Jump #50 (21/11) :
Medaka Box (Lead Color Page, Anime Details)
One Piece
Gintama
Bakuman
Reborn!
Gensōn! Kodai Seibutsu-shi Packy (Color Page)
Toriko
Nisekoi (23 pg.)
Sket Dance (Cover, Color Page)
Kurogane
Kuroko no Basket
PSI Kusuo Saiki (Color Page, One Shot)
Nurarihyon no Mago
Bleach
Kochikame
Inumaru Dashi
Hunter x Hunter
Beelzebub
Magico
Harisugawa in Mirror world
ST&RS
Naruto (On Break)

#51:
Lead CP: Kochikame
CP: Bleach, Kurogane

One Piece in Jump #51 celebrates 15 years of serialization with a special page

Sket Dance and Medaka having color is good. Although I wish Akira Akatsuki had done a little bit more with his but oh well.

I'm good with One Piece, Toriko, and Bakuman in the top 5. Actually, I'm even good with Reborn in it as well. The Arcobaleno arc has been entertaining and better than that last atrocious arc was.

Bleach is low but no surprises there. Boring arc is still boring even with the Shinigami back in it. I find myself just wanting it to end already since it largely felt like a massive waste of time.

Sad to see Magico and Harisugawa at the bottom 3. Once ST&RS dies those two will probably slug it out. I'm not too surprised by Beelzebub's struggles as of late. I haven't been impressed with the series for a while now.

Gainax confirmed for the Medaka Box anime.

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-5289.html

As we all thought it would be when the rumors first surfaced. Gainax better knock this one out of the park.

Hmm it would seem there is a 3rd project for Medaka Box besides the novel and anime: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-11-19/shonen-jump/medaka-box-has-3rd-project-besides-anime-novel

I;m curious as to what it could be, but it'll probably be something obvious(part of me hopes for fighting game, just because of how over the top it could be). Kind of nice to see it get so much recognition after struggling so long to get popular, but now that it is I guess JUMP plans to milk the NisiOshin name for all it's worth.

I'm personally hoping for an art book but I've been clamoring for that for years now lol. It wouldn't surprise me if its a game or something else.

A new One Piece Movie was announced last night after the televesion broadcasting of Strong World.

Source ->HERE (http://twitter.com/?photo_id=1#!/manganewsjapon/status/138009715388055552/photo/1/large)<- or ->HERE (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com.au/news/2011-11-19/one-piece-gets-new-film-set-in-new-world-arc)<-

Oh? If this is set in the New World it has my interest. Especially if it isn't just a movie I can feel free to ignore like I did with some of the other ones.

Murata has presented the color page of his new work (he said it is one shot). It is still unknown on which mangazine it'll be released at.

http://s1-05.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/451172629.png

I'm curious about what the plot and setting for this is. I love his art but definitely hope his story telling has improved over the last one shot of his that I read.

Zeromcd

November 21, 2011, 05:19 AM

The colour page released by Murata is only a portion of the colour page and is not the full thing. I can't wait to see the whole colour page and I really hope that they decide to run the oneshot in Shounen Jump

January 4th Jump Comic Releases
(Possibility of this not being the final list exists, final list will be confirmed on December 2nd)

Gintama #43
Kateikyoushi Hitman Reborn! #37
Bakuman #16
ST&RS #2
Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa #1

As a frequent Amazon viewer, Kagami no Kuni has ranked higher in its first day up than Magico vol.3 and Kurogane vol.1 ever, which have been listed on Amazon for about month and come out on sale a month before Kagami.

I hope Kagami has a really good cover considering the volume is a bit late, can't wait to purchase it and Nisekoi when it comes on sale :D

R4n

November 21, 2011, 07:20 AM

The Japanese are getting their WSJ on Monday (5 days AFTER we get the scanlations)

Logic does not work here. Obviously we got our raws from the Japanese people, so some of them got their WSJ 6 days earlier than everybody? (i am assuming they are subscribers). Why's the 6 days gap? they are like begging for people to search for raws/spoilers on the net before buying the hardcopy, and nudge people seeking internet fame to post raws/spoiler.
the system is... very funny.

Kaiten

November 21, 2011, 02:18 PM

Logic does not work here. Obviously we got our raws from the Japanese people, so some of them got their WSJ 6 days earlier than everybody? (i am assuming they are subscribers). Why's the 6 days gap? they are like begging for people to search for raws/spoilers on the net before buying the hardcopy, and nudge people seeking internet fame to post raws/spoiler.
the system is... very funny.

It is basically like this:

Jump goes to press on Tuesday and is delivered to stores on Friday. That applies to international stores as well, whether Chinese or American. Stores are not supposed to sell until Monday but will frequently let regular customers buy early. That is why Jump scanlations started coming out on Thursday/Friday in the days before Mangastream. I am not sure of how Mangastream gets raws so early though. Copies are printed by then, the finished product has circulated around Shueisha's offices by then. It is possible their raw providor has some connection that allows them to get a copy before the issue is shipped. That is why we have always received new spoilers early in the week, Ohana and the other spoiler providors see copies right after they have printed. I may not be right, but that is my best guess. The only other possibility that I can think of is that copies are shipped early to China, and intercepted there.

From what I understand subscription rates in Japan are very low. Most readers just buy the new issue during the morning commute.

Darjaille

November 21, 2011, 02:34 PM

That is why we have always received new spoilers early in the week, Ohana and the other spoiler providors see copies right after they have printed. I may not be right, but that is my best guess. The only other possibility that I can think of is that copies are shipped early to China, and intercepted there.

From what I understand subscription rates in Japan are very low. Most readers just buy the new issue during the morning commute.

From ohana's and T's comments over at 2ch we know that they both buy WSJ from stores. Most recently, T said that the stores selling early were told not to, but his store still sells to reliable customers (and ohana also commented that her brother was running to the store to pick the mag up for her).

My guess is that they ship the magazine on Tuesdays or maybe even Mondays so that even the stores at not easily accessible places can get it on time, but who knows.

perroloco

November 21, 2011, 05:03 PM

IIRC Ohana or T once said that they bought their Jump issue from a liquor store..

Negative Syndicate

November 22, 2011, 03:11 AM

34 ：T ◆27p9/DnZE//X ：2011/11/22(火) 18:04:03.32 発信元:218.46.108.181
忘れてた
ドべ5
針栖川
ぬらり
ベルゼ
スターズ
リボーン

巻頭バクマン

35 ：T ◆27p9/DnZE//X ：2011/11/22(火) 18:04:46.84 発信元:218.46.108.181
Cカラー
こちかめ針栖川ぬらり

Issue 51 Bottom 5:
Katekyo Hitman Reborn!
St&rs
Beelzebub
Nurarihyon no mago
Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa

Issue 1:
Lead CP: Bakuman。
CP: Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kouen-mae Hashutsujo, Nurarihyon no Mago, Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa

OPN

November 22, 2011, 03:56 AM

aaand harisugawa falls...ya good thing i didnt start it but i feel bad for the fans oh well maybe its just this week. surprised to see reborn so low since its been ranking good since the shimon arc ended. also surprised to see hxh finally out of the bottom five which is great. aside from those no surpises.

raDar

November 22, 2011, 04:02 AM

WSJ Issue #51 Cover:

http://i.imgur.com/5IMQs.jpg

Asclepius

November 22, 2011, 04:14 AM

Zeromcd

November 22, 2011, 04:22 AM

From Ohana

285 ：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2011/11/22(火) 19:01:01.58 ID:FdDE6khAP
大掃除してた～

表紙、巻頭　こち亀
ワンピ
ナルト
バクマン
トリコ
ブリーチ　Ｃ
パッキー
ニセコイ
いぬまる
銀球
黒子
クロガネ　Ｃ
マジコ
スケット
めだか
ハンター
リボーン
スターズ
ベルゼ
ぬらり
鏡の国

新年1号は　バクマンが巻頭

Shounen Jump Issue #51 TOC
Kochikame (Lead CP, Cover)
One Piece
Naruto
Bakuman
Toriko
Bleach (Center Colour)
Pakki
Nisekoi
Inumaru Dashi
Gintama
Kuroko no Basket
Kurogane (Center Colour)
Magico
Sket Dance
Medaka Box
Hunter x Hunter
Kateikyoushi Hitman Reborn!
ST&RS
Beelzebub
Nurarihyon no Mago
Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa

Next Issue, Shounen Jump Issue #1 Information
Lead CP: Bakuman
Center Colour: Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa, Nurarihyon no Mago, Kochikame

---------- Post added at 08:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:19 PM ----------

Weekly Shounen Jump 2011 Statistics

New Series: 10
Cancelled Series: 7
Naturally Ending Series: 0

2011 Lead CP’s
Compulsory New Series – 10
One Piece – 7
Toriko - 6
Naruto – 5
Bleach – 3
Sket Dance – 3
Kochikame - 3
Bakuman - 2
Gintama – 2
Beelzebub - 2
Kuroko no Basket - 1
Enigma - 1
Hunter X Hunter – 1
Medaka Box – 1
Inumaru Dashi - 0
Nurarihyon no Mago – 0
Hitman Reborn! – 0

2011 Center Colour’s
One Shot - 26
Kochikame - 12
Compulsory New Series – 10
Beelzebub - 9
Bleach – 8
Gintama - 7
Bakuman – 6
Hitman Reborn! – 6
Nurarihyon no Mago – 6
Medaka Box – 6
Enigma - 5
Sket Dance – 5
Kuroko no Basket - 4
Magico - 4
ST&RS - 2
Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa - 2
Toriko – 2
Inumaru Dashi - 2
Kurogane - 2
Hunter X Hunter – 1
Hokenshitsu no Shinigami - 1
One Piece & Naruto – 0

2011 Series Absences
Hunter X Hunter – 31
One Piece – 5
Naruto - 1
Bleach – 1
Toriko - 1
Inumaru Dashi - 1
Bakuman – 1

Total Absences = 41

shezar

November 22, 2011, 05:01 AM

Packy just started right?
I excited to see how much "color" kubo will use(what waste giving the man a page to color).
Bakuman is doing well,its good toc overall (naruto is bit too high).

Edit:Packy already started while back,hmm didnt notice.

Josl

November 22, 2011, 05:35 AM

It's interesting that Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa gets a CP next week. This either means it recovers from the bottom and does fairly well or Jump WANTS it to survive like Kuroko.
I’m also starting to worry about Beelzebub. This is the fifth week straight that it is in the bottom 5. It may not be in danger of cancellation in the near future but it’s not in a good postion either.

Packy just started right?
Yes Pakki just started. It is a short gag Manga like Inumaru but the reception is so bad that it is PROBABLY soon getting canceled anyway.

I excited to see how much "color" kubo will use(what waste giving the man a page to color).

Lol I thought the exact same thing, but I guess the reason why he gets so many CP is BECAUSE he puts barely any color in them and therefore does them fast. I mean look at the Manga with the most CP (http://www.imagebam.com/image/5b76db154404246). I don’t think Mangaka even like to do CP. I mean it is already hard enough to do 17-19 pages a week without CP which are really time consuming if you do them right.
I have seen Kubo doing a Ichigo portrait in color in a very short amount of time. Does anyone have the Link to it?

AeonCalcos

November 22, 2011, 05:46 AM

Sket Dance: :worrybunny
Gintama: :dancin

Glad to see ST&RS rising. It looks like Japanese readers are tired of Kagami no Kuni. When do you think is the next cancellation?

mak123

November 22, 2011, 05:52 AM

HxH 31 absences lol... And Oda is slowly becoming lazy like Tohashi XD

Zeromcd

November 22, 2011, 05:55 AM

Glad to see ST&RS rising. It looks like Japanese readers are tired of Kagami no Kuni. When do you think is the next cancellation?

Based on the recent years If a new series doesn't start on Issue #1, which there isn't, there is an extremely high chance that a new series will not start until atleast Issue #10 - #13 and when they do it should be a batch of 2-4 series. (Most likely not 4)

There is also a possibility HUNGRY JOKER will start in the first batch. If Joker does start, It will be the first series of the batch, just like all the other Golden Future Cup Series.

Zeltrax

November 22, 2011, 05:59 AM

Bleach don't deserve so many cps.
I can't believe nura rose and fell like that :scry
and Beelze too..I really hope that the next few chapters helps it raise.
Seems like Magico will survive the year.

Divinenega

November 22, 2011, 06:39 AM

Interesting week, although the amount of unranked series makes it kind of hard to see where some series actually placed this week. Seems Beelzebub is still getting punished for that training arc, and Reborn's down there too. Also looks like Sket Dance has been knocked down a bit too. Of course none of these series are in any real danger so it doesn't matter anyway.

AandWguy

November 22, 2011, 06:48 AM

magico got out of the bottom again, hooray! but reborn hit the bottom five, darn it!

Josef K.

November 22, 2011, 06:58 AM

I am surprised to see that other mangaka from Jump did not take many breaks this year. One Piece does not seem to have much, but a break once in a while sure is killer. Though compared to the others, One Piece really is a champ. Naruto I think has a break when an arc ends and Kishi needs to gather data or something. For One Piece it is different, Oda has other reasons, though this year it was sickness, last year mostly family.

And ironically enough One Piece also get the most color pages, which is understandable because of the ToC ranking I guess?

Darjaille

November 22, 2011, 07:08 AM

I am surprised to see that other mangaka form Jump did not take many breaks this year. One Piece does not seem to have much, but a break once in a while sure is killer. Though compared to the others, One Piece really is a champ. Naruto I think has a break when an arc ends and Kishi needs to gather data or something. For One Piece it is different, Oda has other reasons, though this year it was sickness, last year mostly family.

And ironically enough One Piece also get the most color pages, which is understandable because of the ToC ranking I guess?

Kishi always takes one week every fall IIRC.

One break a year is still not much. Mangaka work almost nonstop, shut in their studios for the whole day. THey get breaks with double issues, but that still isn't that much. Normal working person gets 4-5 weeks for holidays granted (here), so it's understandable.

Newkerzy

November 22, 2011, 07:40 AM

So in other words, Kishi takes breaks when it's his birthday month?? spoiled brat:-_-

The reason I'm slightly ticked is because this year he used a really bad cliffhanger.....

Zeromcd

November 22, 2011, 07:48 AM

Excuse my bad math >.>

2011 Series Absences
Hunter X Hunter: 31
One Piece: 5
Naruto: 1
Bleach: 1
Toriko: 1
Inumaru Dashi: 1
Bakuman: 1
Total Absences = 41

2010 Series Absences
Hunter x Hunter: 28
One Piece: 8
Naruto: 3
Bleach: 3
Toriko: 2
Gintama: 2
Bakuman: 1
Total Absences = 47

2009 Series Absences
Hunter x Hunter: 47
D.Gray-Man: 12
One Piece: 7
Pyu to Fuku! Jaguar: 3
Toriko: 2
Naruto: 1
Bleach: 1
Total Absences = 73

2008 Series Absences
Hunter x Hunter: 28
D.Gray-Man: 8
One Piece: 4
Naruto: 2
Pyu to Fuku! Jaguar: 1
Bleach: 1
Gintama: 1
Barihaken: 1
Total Absences = 46

2007 Series Absences
Hunter x Hunter: 41
D.Gray-Man: 9
Prince of Tennis: 6
One Piece: 4
Pyu to Fuku! Jaguar: 4
Shinsetsu Bobobo: 1
Total Absences = 65

2006 Series Absences
Hunter x Hunter: 44
D.Gray-Man: 17
Prince of Tennis: 16
Beshari Gurashi: 7
Pyu to Fuku! Jaguar: 5
One Piece: 4
Shinsetsu Bobobo: 2
Death Note: 1
Gintama: 1
Naruto: 1
Mr. Fullswing: 1
Total Absences = 99

2005 Series Absences
Hunter x Hunter: 17
Death Note: 8
D.Gray-Man: 6
Prince of Tennis: 3
One Piece: 3
Naruto: 3
Busou Renkin: 2
Bleach: 2
Bobobo: 2
Beshari Gurashi: 1
Mr. Fullswing: 1
Total Absences: 55

2004 Series Absences
Hunter x Hunter: 26
Busou Renkin: 8
Mr. Fullswing: 5
Pyu to Fuku! Jaguar: 5
Prince of Tennis: 4
One Piece: 3
Naruto: 3
Bleach: 2
Shaman King: 2
Death Note: 1
Black Cat: 1
Total Absences: 60

2003 Series Absences
Rookies: 14
Hunter x Hunter: 10
Mr. Fullswing: 5
Shaman King: 4
Hikaru no Go: 4
Prince of Tennis: 3
One Piece:3
Yu-Gi-Oh: 3
Pyu to Fuku! Jaguar: 3
Black Cat: 2
Kanagawa: 2
Ichigo 100%: 1
Pretty Face: 1
Busou Renkin: 1
Total Absences: 57

R4n

November 22, 2011, 08:54 AM

i am late to the party but..

based on Kaiten and other people's explanation, that means the content of the magazine is leaked a week before the official release date. x__x;;
Gee, if i were a WSJ staff i would be concerned. I heard they sent c&d order to raw providers, so i assume this is a big problem for them. But maybe scanlations don't pose much threat because i have an impression the majority of Japanese ppl don't understand English (i didn't mean offense to anyone here). And if i were a japanese i wouldn't like reading fan translation anyway (because they tend to be less accurate than the original).
I wonder when do subscribers get their copies...

Negative Syndicate

November 22, 2011, 10:14 AM

The one thing that Jump currently lack is permanent cushion series. Because there are currently no series (like most of 2010 series) that protect other series, so the last place is always keep changing.

So far, main candidates that to be axed next will be St&rs and Kagami (but I'm not sure about this one again, since it is getting color next issue); in order for one of them to survive, Hunter has to go hiatus and I, presonally, thinkg I'm going to be glad that if Hunter goes back to hiatus.

perroloco

November 22, 2011, 11:19 AM

WTF?! Why did Prince of Tennis had so many absences in 2006?? Did it had a break like Naruto, ONE PIECE did when they started PART 2 or was the author sick??

Josef K.

November 22, 2011, 11:23 AM

Kishi always takes one week every fall IIRC.

One break a year is still not much. Mangaka work almost nonstop, shut in their studios for the whole day. THey get breaks with double issues, but that still isn't that much. Normal working person gets 4-5 weeks for holidays granted (here), so it's understandable.

Oda does that. He takes good enough breaks through out the years. It seems his breaks really became more present in 2010 with Strong World, though the number of breaks is more present after 2006 a year where he did not take a break.^^

The others are really workaholics, if I can use the term to describe them more properly, they just love their series or are in a more early stage, Oda has currently one of the longest series running in Jump. Kishi is odd though he does not seem to take a break although he has passed the 10 year mark of his series as well. :p

Negative Syndicate

November 22, 2011, 11:36 AM

WTF?! Why did Prince of Tennis had so many absences in 2006?? Did it had a break like Naruto, ONE PIECE did when they started PART 2 or was the author sick??

The author had illness on 2006, so Prince of Tennis went a hiatus for a while.

Also, Jump authors don't take many absents as compare to Magazine and Sunday authors, since they have more series than Jump.

susanoo13

November 22, 2011, 12:17 PM

Were the 3 weeklys, Jump, Sunday and Magazine always at the size that they are today?

Jump with 20 series, Magazine with +-30 series and Sunday with 25 or have there been some changes?

If so what would you guess is the reason for instance that Jump doesn't increase their series number to 24 or 25?

perroloco

November 22, 2011, 12:28 PM

@Susanno:
First of all I never realized that both Sunday and Magazine had that many series..
According to wiki Sunday has 27, Magazine 28 and JUMP has 21.

I don't think JUMP should change its number of run series from 21 to 25 or something like that, its one of the few manga magazine which circulation has rose (If only a little bit) so as the saying says "If its not broken, don´t fix it".

My guess is that its due to JUMP policies of cutting the series that don´t rank too hot early on their run. That way they only get the very best (In the opinion of the TOC voters) continue to run on JUMP.

Maybe its Sunday and Magazine that should try to reduce the number of series and make more strict requirements for authors to publish or focus more on the votings?

Googlez_kun

November 22, 2011, 12:31 PM

Looking at it the lists I just remembered that Naruto's not getting any CPs anymore.Wonder why.

And lol at Togashi.
So in other words, Kishi takes breaks when it's his birthday month?? spoiled brat:-_-

The reason I'm slightly ticked is because this year he used a really bad cliffhanger.....

I hope that was a joke...

Kaiten

November 22, 2011, 12:36 PM

I don’t think Mangaka even like to do CP. I mean it is already hard enough to do 17-19 pages a week without CP which are really time consuming if you do them right.
I have seen Kubo doing a Ichigo portrait in color in a very short amount of time. Does anyone have the Link to it?

Mangaka are paid by the page, they are paid more money for color pages - so the more color pages an artist draw per year, the higher the salary. Mangaka want to do as many color pages a year as Shueisha will let them. Bleach gets more than other series because of how reliable Kubo is - he never takes break, submits every chapter on time, and always submits nice pages.

Bleach color pages are fantastic, other than Bleach hate I can't understand why anyone would dislike them. They are always well drawn, well composed, and creative. I think that Naruto and Sket Dance are the only current manga with better color pages.

i am late to the party but..

based on Kaiten and other people's explanation, that means the content of the magazine is leaked a week before the official release date. x__x;;
Gee, if i were a WSJ staff i would be concerned. I heard they sent c&d order to raw providers, so i assume this is a big problem for them. But maybe scanlations don't pose much threat because i have an impression the majority of Japanese ppl don't understand English (i didn't mean offense to anyone here). And if i were a japanese i wouldn't like reading fan translation anyway (because they tend to be less accurate than the original).
I wonder when do subscribers get their copies...

Early raws present a real problem for Shueisha. At one point 60% of Mangahelpers traffic was from Japan, they were coming to read raws when Kylara or (later) Vic posted them on Friday. In the spring of 2010 Shueisha placed a blurb on the Jump TOC page essentially threatening raw providers, saying how annoyed they were in no uncertain terms. That is what prompted us to remove raws and prompted the closure of raw paradise. Mangastream does not release their raws publicly so non-English speakers have to wait until public raws are available, later in the week, but still earlier than available to the Japanese public. Scanlations are blamed for declining sales of licensed manga, which conveniently was not a problem until the economy crashed. Raws are the problem, and one that publishers are truly pissed off about, in the domestic Japanese market.

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Oda does that. He takes good enough breaks through out the years. It seems his breaks really became more present in 2010 with Strong World, though the number of breaks is more present after 2006 a year where he did not take a break.^^

He always takes a break near the end of an arc, or right after. He's averaged about four or five weeks off a year since I started reading. He did take a two week break between the end of the War and beginning of Part II, something I don't recall him doing before. But I am not sure where the angst is coming from right now, taking breaks here and there is something he has been doing for years.

Schabrak

November 22, 2011, 01:01 PM

R4n very late, they got angry, have send C&D letters and it all happened months ago. :p

Scanlations exist because there are raw providers... in that sense RAWs are the root of evil and scans are the unwanted bastard children.^^ You would be shocked to know how many japanese visit international scanlation sites. Over 50% of the visitors on my old hentai blog *cough* came from japan. Free is free, it's not like they are different from us in that aspect.

edit: need to stop watching something while writing posts... what Kaiten wrote.

•Sasuke•

November 22, 2011, 01:29 PM

Shounen Jump Issue #51 contents
http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org2296248.jpg

http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org2296248.jpg

Samui

November 22, 2011, 01:43 PM

Edit:
Nevermind, I made a mistake.

Kaiten

November 22, 2011, 02:00 PM

If it is coming out next week it had to go to press and ship in order to guarantee it is in stores next week. What I said earlier about Jump applies to all magazines. They can not print and ship a few days before release, they need to give themselves enough time for copies to move from warehouse to truck to store no matter what the destination. And they have to have copies ready early enough that unexpected problems do not prevent copies from being on the rack the second stores open for the morning commute on the day of official release. Whether Jump, Magazine, SQ, or NEXT spoilers have been coming out up to a week in advance for years now, even before scanlations came out so early.

SSJWill4

November 22, 2011, 02:18 PM

Shounen Jump Issue #51 contents
http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org2296248.jpg

http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org2296248.jpg

So then wouldn't Kochikame be 1st and 10th based on this page?

Josl

November 22, 2011, 02:26 PM

Mangaka are paid by the page, they are paid more money for color pages - so the more color pages an artist draw per year, the higher the salary. Mangaka want to do as many color pages a year as Shueisha will let them.

You are right that Mangaka get paid by the page and that they get more money for CP BUT from what I understood (could be wrong) they get their main income from Volume sales. New Authors get 10% per printed Volume and Veteran Authors 15%. I would have to go look up how much they get for a page and a CP but I’m sure compared to Volume sales it isn’t much. Therefore I don’t think that the amount of more work necessary for a CP stands in a proportion with the more “income” per CP. Of course they might want CP to promote their series and therefore get more money from the Volume sales.

Bleach color pages are fantastic, other than Bleach hate I can't understand why anyone would dislike them.
I can’t speak for other but for myself. It is not hate per say but more like “wasted” color. Kubo draws more often than not a character who wears either black or white on a black or white background. The only color that is left is the skin, hair and sometimes the eye color. That’s not a lot of “color”.
The other problem I have is that they don’t excite me. Like I said the characters simple pose(like for a picture). They don’t have that energy behind them.
I mean look at “old” Bleach color: 1 (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Hoho.jpg), 2 (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Summer06.jpg), 3 (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Wintercollection04.jpg), 4 (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Backtoschoolresize.jpg), 5 (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Bleachfall02.jpg), 6 (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Wintercollection05.jpg)
They weren’t only colorful and stylish but they had also certain energy. He still does sometimes really good CP but a lot of them are for me mediocre.

I think that Naruto and Sket Dance are the only current Manga with better color pages.
Honestly I’m a little surprised that you would prefer a Bleach CP over an OP CP or a Bakuman CP. Personally I prefer a CP from about half of the WSJ raster more because a) they are usually more colorful and b) they have the thing I call energy.
It is hard to describe what I mean with “energy”. Art is mostly subjective.

k-dom

November 22, 2011, 02:56 PM

So then wouldn't Kochikame be 1st and 10th based on this page?

I think it was said previously that there are 2 chapters of Kochikame this issue

Kaiten

November 22, 2011, 03:12 PM

There are a maximum of four volumes a year and 48 chapters for a weekly manga. While mangaka can earn more for a tankobon it is less reliable money. It is based on a percentage, income is dependent on sales, and sales decline over time no matter how popular a manga. Chapters are steady, weekly work and a reliable weekly pay check. If it were me and I had an opportunity to supplement my income while getting featured in the front or center of the magazine, I would not be one to turn it down. Not only is the money better, color pages increase prestige and exposure.

Oda is a great artists and his color pages are not bad, but they are nothing special either. He has been drawing the same splash for a decade now, his drawing style shows almost no variation, his choice of colors are usually uninspired, and his splashes are to busy. He makes crowded panels work but spread over two pages it's a bit of overload. Bakuman color is fantastic, I almost forgot about it. One of the best in the magazine, without a doubt.

I actually can't see any difference between new Bleach color pages and old. He still does everything well that he used to. Here are his last seven color pages:

http://thumbnails30.imagebam.com/16076/09f249160753780.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/09f249160753780) http://thumbnails49.imagebam.com/16076/1345e8160753794.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/1345e8160753794) http://thumbnails66.imagebam.com/16076/357cd6160753803.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/357cd6160753803) http://thumbnails59.imagebam.com/16076/06d3c0160753818.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/06d3c0160753818) http://thumbnails25.imagebam.com/16076/053675160753828.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/053675160753828) http://thumbnails60.imagebam.com/16076/2fec56160753834.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/2fec56160753834) http://thumbnails60.imagebam.com/16076/234386160753837.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/234386160753837)

Not only has he maintained previous quality, he has added some new tricks. A few pages use a sketchier, more impressionistic style, for example. He also demonstrates an outstanding sense of design and composition; there is a always a good sense of motion, nice balance, understanding of focal points, perfect use of color, and considerable amount of variety from one page to another. Plot quality aside his color pages shows an understanding of art and design that goes beyond manga. To many mangaka are good at drawing manga but have little understanding of art beyond comics.

Art is not subjective: it is a discipline, there are standards on how to create specific visual and psychological effects. Whether painting, sculpture, comics, or typography when something necessary is missing it is immediately apparent. There are many ways to make objectively good art, many different styles, many ways to move beyond conventions. But none are subjective, as with any other craft or discipline art works with a specific set of goals in mind. Taste may be subjective, but there is no accounting for taste nor does it make a work good or bad. If art is subjective Van Gogh would remain unknown. He died virtually unknown, his paintings having failed to find buyer or audience.

Krono

November 22, 2011, 03:33 PM

There are a maximum of four volumes a year and 48 chapters for a weekly manga.

Um, it's between four and six volumes a year for a weekly manga, depending a bit on the length of the chapters and how many chapters they opt to put into a volume. Plus whether or not they have any bonus chapters that ran in other places. For example, One Piece has been running 14 years. If it was just four volumes a year, it'd be only at 56 volumes instead of at 64 volumes. Likewise Bleach has been running ten years, and is at 52 volumes rather than 40.

Drmke

November 22, 2011, 04:01 PM

Krono

November 22, 2011, 04:46 PM

What Kaiten said was in most cases...obviously there are exceptions to everything. Like a manga (Kochi Kame is a good example) could run more than one chapter in a single issue. But generally what he said is correct.

Uh, not about the max number of volumes per year. One Piece, Bleach, Naruto, Toriko, Fairy Tail, Negima, Detective Conan, Kenichi, etc all have more volumes than would be possible if the max was 4 a year. Extra chapters being only a small part of it. Five volumes a year for a weekly is actually pretty standard.

Basically, if you're doing 20 pages a chapter, you'll usually have enough material for a volume after 9 chapters. At 48 chapters a year, that gives you enough material for 5.3 volumes per year. At 18 pages a chapter, it'll be ten chapters before you have enough material, leaving you with enough for 4.8 volumes per year. So in the first case you end up with 5 volumes/year usually with an occasional 6th volume, and in the second, You'll start with 4 volumes/year for the first year, then usually have 5 volumes. Series with less than 18 pages a chapter for weekly series are not common to my knowledge.

Zeromcd

November 22, 2011, 04:56 PM

For JoJo's Bizarre Adventure fans
I'm not sure if this is common knowledge, but in the authors comment page of Jump Issue #51, Nisio Ishin said that the main character of the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure novel he is writing will be Dio!

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Kuroko no Basket Anime Information
Staff

Director: Shunsuke Tada
Script Writer: Noboru Takagi
Character Designer: Yôko Kikuchi
Studio: Production I.G.

Seiyuu

Kuroko Tetsuya : Kenshô Ono
Kagami Taiga : Yûki Ono

The Anime will begin in April

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Jump NEXT! Information

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n482/zeromcd/Ae4z8NfCIAQaV88.jpg

Lead CP: Medaka Box Bangaihen - Good Loser Kumagawa (34 pages)

shezar

November 22, 2011, 05:23 PM

wall of text

Its been lifeless for while with bleach color pages or spread,style over substance.
They look dull overall,the characters are assuming poses with stylish clothing and...thats all.Something that belongs in fashion magazine.

R4n

November 22, 2011, 05:49 PM

I was not late, i used to leech my raw from raw paradise, you see... And i used to leech my mangas from IRC 8 years ago...:p

Anyway, whether i am late or not is very unimportant. xD
I was surprised khr is low, i thought people loved varia, xx and 100...

Also, though i agree 'bad' or 'good' art can be judged from technique, they are still left to the audience to judge. i know i have loved a lot of 'less technically superior' artworks over masterpieces. Anyway, though i agree bleach usually is good in composition, i dislike the cp because the color is dull. I love khr cp because the color is(mostly) brilliant. Bakuman because of the superb details.
Hey nothing wrong with liking bleach cp...

Estranho

November 22, 2011, 05:55 PM

Any known names in this Jump NEXT?

Negative Syndicate

November 22, 2011, 06:02 PM

Any known names in this Jump NEXT?

Only author of Medaka Box and Enigma.

Schabrak

November 22, 2011, 06:13 PM

R4n
Not to late to leech, but to late for the news about Shueisha condemning the raw providers. You did as everybody else did/still does. :p So hard to get RAWs for Tough. :E

Zeromcd
Is that a Medaka Box spin-off or just a one-shot?

Haato

November 22, 2011, 06:13 PM

Sweet~ I'm really looking forward to Jump Next!! Really excited for the Enigma and Kumagawa Chapter♥ ^^ *bliss*

And I'm hoping Beelzebub is gonna start rising in the toc, its lowness is starting to sadden me :(

Jaiden82

November 22, 2011, 07:51 PM

It's a shame Nura never had a Lead CP this year. I know its been near or at the bottom sometimes but still at WSJ should have gave it a Lead CP this year.

Negative Syndicate

November 22, 2011, 07:53 PM

It's a shame Nura never had a Lead CP this year. I know its been near or at the bottom sometimes but still at WSJ should have gave it a Lead CP this year.

I think in order for Nura to get Lead CP is leave bottom 5 permanently.

Haato

November 22, 2011, 08:05 PM

I think in order for Nura to get Lead CP is leave bottom 5 permanently.

Well, maybe it Would leave the bottom 5 if Wsj Would actually promote it more! XD I find that a bit unfair, while Bleach and Kuroko had low points they were given tons of color pages in order to promote them and get higher up in the rankings, I suppose they have some sort of logic behind it at wsj for picking on Nura, but I don't see it。Lol

「♥」

Negative Syndicate

November 22, 2011, 08:18 PM

Well, maybe it Would leave the bottom 5 if Wsj Would actually promote it more! XD I find that a bit unfair, while Bleach and Kuroko had low points they were given tons of color pages in order to promote them and get higher up in the rankings, I suppose they have some sort of logic behind it at wsj for picking on Nura, but I don't see it。Lol

「♥」

Bleach is already more successful than Nurarihyon and its overall ranking is still better than Nurarihyon (it hass 4th highest tank sales within current Jump series). So, it was not weird that it gets more promotion than Nurarihyon.

For Kuroko, after anime announcement, it fell to bottom 5, but it managed to pull itself up. Also, Kuroko managed to stay higher than Nurarihyon on average ranking.

Zeromcd

November 22, 2011, 08:56 PM

Zeromcd
Is that a Medaka Box spin-off or just a one-shot?

It's just a spin-off extra chapter.

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I will also do this years series averages tonight if somebody hasn't done them by then. But just by looking through the rankings Nurarihyon is most likely going to be last, hell, Nurarihyon didn't even enter the top 10 in any Issue at all this year (Not including CP's).

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Also, with the rate alot of the series are going, many of them seem to be winding down. With the lack of new successful series coming in, and old series ending, I think a couple of series will end this year. We have had no series end in 2011, and Jaguar was the only series ending in 2010 which didn't really make room for anything considering it was a 5page gag manga at the end of Jump each Issue.
My thoughts:

- Bakuman will no doubt end in 2012 :(
- Medaka Box will probably end in 2012, unless Nisio pulls something >.>
- Inumaru Dashi will end this year and be replaced by Kusou Saiki (Both authors are good friends)
- Reborn! is in it's final arc. It will end this year or next year. Jump really have no reason to force the series going longer with the ratings plummeting and the loss of the Anime
- Nurarihyon no Mago is basically like Reborn!
- Sket Dance is in their final year of highschool. Will probably end in 2013
- Naruto is in its final arc and will end in 2013
- Gintama will end when Sorachi feels like it. It is possible it could be this year. People have also said Gintama could be the new Kochikame, but Sorachi is nowhere near as organised to pull it off
- Murata will debut that awesome looking oneshot in Jump. The reception will be great and it will be serialized quickly. It will become the new flagship title when Naruto ends (Super awesome wishful thinking >.>)

Divinenega

November 22, 2011, 10:02 PM

^

Actually I think Naruto will be over by summer of next year at the latest. the arc is starting to wrap up since we're getting the major fights now.

Negative Syndicate

November 22, 2011, 10:24 PM

- Murata will debut that awesome looking oneshot in Jump. The reception will be great and it will be serialized quickly. It will become the new flagship title when Naruto ends (Super awesome wishful thinking >.>)

We're not sure about this part, yet. He might serialize one shot in different magazine.

SSJWill4

November 23, 2011, 12:12 AM

Also, with the rate alot of the series are going, many of them seem to be winding down. With the lack of new successful series coming in, and old series ending, I think a couple of series will end this year. We have had no series end in 2011, and Jaguar was the only series ending in 2010 which didn't really make room for anything considering it was a 5page gag manga at the end of Jump each Issue.

Psyren ended at the end of 2010 which made its run exactly 3 years. No small feat by jump standards.

Zeromcd

November 23, 2011, 12:37 AM

We're not sure about this part, yet. He might serialize one shot in different magazine.

It was just some wishful thinking. It would also make since for Murata to capitalize on this opportunity when there are currently no real successful new series in Jump and many of the older ones ending.

I would also presume he is very dissapointed with himself about how the final chapters of Eyeshield 21 ranked, after being in the top of the magazine for almost all of its run and suddenly dropping to like bottom 5 for the last 20 chapters, he probably wants to show he can do even better.

Psyren ended at the end of 2010 which made its run exactly 3 years. No small feat by jump standards.

Even though Psyren did make 3 years, it was cancelled and did not naturally end like Jaguar did, therefore not naturally ending.

Negative Syndicate

November 23, 2011, 12:56 AM

I would also presume he is very dissapointed with himself about how the final chapters of Eyeshield 21 ranked, after being in the top of the magazine for almost all of its run and suddenly dropping to like bottom 5 for the last 20 chapters, he probably wants to show he can do even better.

He may be disappointed on final arc's ranking, but I don't think he'll be disappointed with himself becasue he is in charge of illustration, not story.

SSJWill4

November 23, 2011, 01:29 AM

Even though Psyren did make 3 years, it was cancelled and did not naturally end like Jaguar did, therefore not naturally ending.

True, but your original post did not specify that you were referring to series that received a 'natural' ending. I just assumed you were talking about established series. Shaman King was canceled yet still lasted 6 years.

Newkerzy

November 23, 2011, 02:18 AM

Looking at it the lists I just remembered that Naruto's not getting any CPs anymore.Wonder why.

And lol at Togashi.

I hope that was a joke...

It was....

Even though Psyren did make 3 years, it was cancelled and did not naturally end like Jaguar did, therefore not naturally ending.

I thought Psyren's ending was more like Enigma's. The author set up the final arc to either end the series or continue it. If it gets axed, he already had a natural ending in mind. If it gets more support and can continue, he already has several plot threads he's been wanting to resolve.

Josl

November 23, 2011, 02:45 AM

kewl0210

November 23, 2011, 05:10 PM

Yeah. Generally a CP will get more attention and more interest in a manga from people who don't normally read it. It's a form of promotion. Color pages are also usually given for some sorta reason like an anniversary or a big announcement, a way of saying "Hey. look at this!".
It pays more because it takes more time and effort to do.

Negative Syndicate

November 23, 2011, 10:46 PM

It is confirmed that Murata going to work with a story writer for his upcoming new work (didn't say who is it).

Pirulito

November 24, 2011, 03:41 AM

It is confirmed that Murata going to work with a story writer for his upcoming new work (didn't say who is it).

Will it run in Weekly Shonen Jump?

Zeromcd

November 24, 2011, 04:48 AM

Weekly Shounen Jump 2011 Series' Averages

1.One Piece - 1.3
2.Naruto - 2.2
3.Toriko - 3.4
4.Bakuman - 5.7
5.Gintama - 5.7
6.Sket Dance - 7.2
7.Kurogane - 8.3
8.Bleach - 8.6
9.Beelzebub - 9.2
10.Kagami no Kuni - 9.8
11.Hitman Reborn! - 10.2
12.Medaka Box - 12.3
13.Inumaru Dashi - 12.3
14.Magico - 12.4
15.Kuroko no Basket - 13.0
16.Kochikame - 13.0
17.Hunter x Hunter - 13.9
18.ST&RS - 14.1
19.Nurarihyon no Mago - 14.6

&

Weekly Shounen Jump 2010 Series' Averages

1.One Piece - 1.4
2.Naruto - 1.5
3.Bleach - 4.3
4.Toriko - 6.0
5.Hitman Reborn! - 6.9
6.Bakuman - 7.3
7.Nurarihyon no Mago - 7.9
8.Beelzebub - 8.1
9.Gintama - 9.6
10.Kuroko no Basket 10.1
11.Sket Dance - 10.2
12.Kochikame - 10.9
13.Inumaru Dashi - 11.6
14.Medaka Box - 13.4
15.Hunter x Hunter - 14.6

Does not include Lead CP's or Oneshots in these rankings.
Does include Center Colours in these rankings.

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Damn that took over 2hours, time get back to Macross Frontier Sayonara no Tsubasa.

Josl

November 24, 2011, 06:21 AM

Weekly Shounen Jump 2011 Series' Averages

If you have the Jump Series Averages from 2010 could you please post them as well. This would help to compare which Series did better and which worse.

Edit:

Damn that took over 2hours, time get back to Macross Frontier Sayonara no Tsubasa.
Sorry and thank you for your hard work

This list is quite interesting
One Piece did a tiny little bit better while Naruto did a little worse. I thought it would be the other way around.
Toriko, Bakuman, Gintama and Sket Dance did all much better.
Reborn and Bleach did much worse than 2010.
Beelzebub did only a little bit worse even though I thought it would do much worse because it was quite the long time in the bottom 5 this year.
Medaka Box did only a little bit better while I thought it would do a lot better.
The most interesting is Mago. It did catastrophically. I’m wondering how long Jump will let it be in spite of the sales. I’m sure we are somewhere near a “natural” end.

k-dom

November 24, 2011, 12:03 PM

It's also interesting to remove the color page factor to see the series which are pump by Jump

2010 average without color page

1.One Piece - 2,40
2.Naruto - 2,88
3.Toriko - 6,09
4.Bleach - 7,34
5.Bakuman - 7,94
6.Gintama - 8,22
7.Beelzebub - 9,73
8.Reborn! - 9,83
9.Sket Dance - 10,16
10.Nurarihyon no Mago - 12,81
11.Inumaru Dashi - 13,04
12.Kuroko no Basket - 13,24
13.Kochikame - 13,57
14.Medaka Box - 14,78
15.HUNTER×HUNTER - 16,50

2010 average with lead and color page

1.One Piece - 2,15
2.Naruto - 2,40
3.Bleach - 4,62
4.Toriko - 6,87
5.Bakuman - 7,83
6.Reborn! - 7,88
7.Beelzebub - 8,85
8.Nurarihyon no Mago - 8,90
9.Gintama - 9,15
10.Sket Dance - 11,08
11.Kuroko no Basket - 11,23
12.Kochikame - 12,19
13.Inumaru Dashi - 13,02
14.Medaka Box - 14,96
15.HUNTER×HUNTER- 15,95

My average is calculated a bit differently than Zeromcd since I keep the rank for lead CP so the rank are ~increased by 1.
In the average without CP, the series keep their rank as in the initial TOC except for the series with CP which have a weight of 0.

One can see that Bleach and Mago really benefit from it :-)

Negative Syndicate

November 24, 2011, 12:21 PM

@Zeromcd

How many weeks did you average for the 2010 and 2011?

Zeromcd

November 24, 2011, 05:51 PM

@Zeromcd

How many weeks did you average for the 2010 and 2011?

I averaged the weeks at 47 for 2011 and 48 for 2010, but when a series a Lead CP or a Break I took away one, thus each series had a different average for weeks.

Negative Syndicate

November 24, 2011, 05:57 PM

I averaged the weeks at 47 for 2011 and 48 for 2010, but when a series a Lead CP or a Break I took away one, thus each series had a different average for weeks.

That means you averaged from all of issues?

Zeromcd

November 24, 2011, 06:12 PM

That means you averaged from all of issues?

Yes, I averaged from every Issue :D

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Series from the main magazine that will be appearing in Jump Next!

- Medaka Box (Good Loser Kumagawa)
- Sket Dance
- Nurarihyon no Mago
- Enigma (Final Chapter)
- PSI Kusou Saiki
- Magico
- ST&RS
- Kurogane
- Nisekoi
- Packy

The source does not say what kind of chapters they will be, but they will most likely just be Bangaihens.

I wonder if Kusou Saiki can actually be considered a series now? Kind of like Hetappi.

Negative Syndicate

November 24, 2011, 06:31 PM

Yes, I averaged from every Issue :D

Then, there going to be bias in data for 2011. The series that started in 2011 doesn't have same number of scores as a series that has been serialized for more than a year; in other word, the ranking doesn't really tell anything. When you doing average, you have to same number of scores for all of them.

For example, how can you compare average ranking between Medaka and Kagami, since Medaka has 47 chapters in this year and Kagami only has 20 chapters. The more number of scores will make difference in average score.

SSJWill4

November 25, 2011, 01:36 AM

Yes, I averaged from every Issue :D

I was going to do something similar once Issue 52's data was out lol. Did you do all the calculations by hand? I have an excel sheet with all the data of series rankings from 2010 and 2011 with formulas for the averages if you would want it for future use. Just pm me if you are interested (won't be home until Sunday though).

Then, there going to be bias in data for 2011. The series that started in 2011 doesn't have same number of scores as a series that has been serialized for more than a year; in other word, the ranking doesn't really tell anything. When you doing average, you have to same number of scores for all of them.

For example, how can you compare average ranking between Medaka and Kagami, since Medaka has 47 chapters in this year and Kagami only has 20 chapters. The more number of scores will make difference in average score.

Even series that lasted a year may have different amont of chapters depending on if there were any absences or double chapters (like this last jump w/ Kochikame). It won't be perfect, but it's still fun to see a year's ToC so to speak. :)

Negative Syndicate

November 25, 2011, 01:41 AM

Even series that lasted a year may have different amont of chapters depending on if there were any absences or double chapters (like this last jump w/ Kochikame). It won't be perfect, but it's still fun to see a year's ToC so to speak. :)

But isn't it better to have data that is very close to perfect? All of series chapters are very different because some series have absents, more color pages than others, and like having double chapters. In mathematics, a small difference in score can make very big difference on the average ranking. :(

This site provide very different mathematical approach as compared to Zeromcd.
http://hamada.tsukaeru.info/jump/2011/jump1150.html

SSJWill4

November 25, 2011, 01:54 AM

But isn't it better to have data that is very close to perfect? All of series chapters are very different because some series have absents, more color pages than others, and like having double chapters. In mathematics, a small difference in score can make very big difference on the average ranking. :(

This site provide very different mathematical approach as compared to Zeromcd.
http://hamada.tsukaeru.info/jump/2011/jump1150.html

Thanks for the link. :) It is nice to see that they only use a sample of 10 chapters, but it still runs into the absences problem (One Piece is an average of 8 scores compared to HxH's 10 scores for instance). If we just remove series that did not last the whole year then the year summary data would be very similar to this website's approach to calculating averages.

Negative Syndicate

November 25, 2011, 01:59 AM

Thanks for the link. :) It is nice to see that they only use a sample of 10 chapters, but it still runs into the absences problem (One Piece is an average of 8 scores compared to HxH's 10 scores for instance). If we just remove series that did not last the whole year then the year summary data would be very similar to this website's approach to calculating averages.

I know that webiste is not perfect, but I think it is very near perfect. When we try to calculate the average for whole year, then there going to be big error because of very large sample size. However, calculating the average for 10 weeks reduce large amount of error as compared to averaging whole year.

SSJWill4

November 25, 2011, 02:06 AM

I know that webiste is not perfect, but I think it is very near perfect. When we try to calculate the average for whole year, then there going to be big error because of very large sample size. However, calculating the average for 10 weeks reduce large amount of error as compared to averaging whole year.

You do realize that a larger sample size leads to more accurate results right?

Negative Syndicate

November 25, 2011, 02:10 AM

You do realize that a larger sample size leads to more accurate results right?

However, in Jump ranking's case, if we try to calculate the average for whole year, it is very difficult to get near perfect average comparison since the number of chapters in each series are different from another. In order to compare the rankings, the sample size for each of them have to be equal; there is no point to compare ranking if one has 40 chapters and other has only 20 chapters.

SSJWill4

November 25, 2011, 02:14 AM

However, in Jump ranking's case, if we try to calculate the average for whole year, it is very difficult to get near perfect average comparison since the number of chapters in each series are different from another. In order to compare the rankings, the sample size for each of them have to be equal; there is no point to compare ranking if one has 40 chapters and other has only 20 chapters.

Yeah...that's why I said, "If we just remove series that did not last the whole year then the year summary data would be very similar to this website's approach to calculating averages." :P

Negative Syndicate

November 25, 2011, 02:18 AM

Yeah...that's why I said, "If we just remove series that did not last the whole year then the year summary data would be very similar to this website's approach to calculating averages." :P

Did you consider the differences on the absenses and color pages between series that lasted whole year?

SSJWill4

November 25, 2011, 02:30 AM

Did you consider the differences on the absenses and color pages between series that lasted whole year?

Yes. I don't think it impacts the data as much as you are claiming. Since this is just us going back and forth we should probably take this to PMs from here...didn't realize how many posts we have accumulated.

MattC302

November 25, 2011, 07:22 AM

Wasn't One Piece suppose to celebrate 15 years of serialization with a "special page"? What happened with that?

raDar

November 25, 2011, 07:35 AM

Wasn't One Piece suppose to celebrate 15 years of serialization with a "special page"? What happened with that?

I think it was a mistake, since iirc OP's serialization started in August '97.

redon

November 25, 2011, 07:41 AM

Wasn't One Piece suppose to celebrate 15 years of serialization with a "special page"? What happened with that?

I think is this page ^^

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7944/fgfgcn.jpg

Inumaru

November 25, 2011, 08:35 AM

Series from the main magazine that will be appearing in Jump Next!

- Medaka Box (Good Loser Kumagawa)
- Sket Dance
- Nurarihyon no Mago
- Enigma (Final Chapter)
- PSI Kusou Saiki
- Magico
- ST&RS
- Kurogane
- Nisekoi
- Packy

Does it means that Harisugawa will be canceled soon? Like when Oumagadoki wasnt included in the Spring edition and Light Wing in the Winter edition.

SSJWill4

November 25, 2011, 01:29 PM

Koen

November 25, 2011, 01:40 PM

Does it means that Harisugawa will be canceled soon? Like when Oumagadoki wasnt included in the Spring edition and Light Wing in the Winter edition.

It does feel like a bad omen. I actually like Harisugawa better than all the other 2011 new series, so I will definitely be bummed if it's canceled. :/

Sure guys... Harisugawa had one bottom 5 rating since its rating started. We don't know what the current ToC is and the last chapter says it will have a center colour page. You don't give a soon to be axed series a center colour page. Harisugawa has already "survived" the upcoming round of axes. If you even can speak about survival, knowing that some other recent series are doing worse

Negative Syndicate

November 25, 2011, 01:59 PM

Sure guys... Harisugawa had one bottom 5 rating since its rating started.

Actually, Harisugawa dropped to bottom 5 three times; even it has gotten color page, there is a chance that it'll return to bottom 5 after the color page. Harisuagawa is currently one of leading candidates to be axed on next round (along with St&rs).

SSJWill4

November 25, 2011, 02:18 PM

Sure guys... Harisugawa had one bottom 5 rating since its rating started. We don't know what the current ToC is and the last chapter says it will have a center colour page. You don't give a soon to be axed series a center colour page. Harisugawa has already "survived" the upcoming round of axes. If you even can speak about survival, knowing that some other recent series are doing worse

Do you remember Bokke-san? It was promoted right before the end as well. I'll agree with you that it's not over yet, but I doubt anyone will really be shocked to see it go. Being excluded from Jump Next! may not spell a death sentence, but it definitely isn't a good thing either...

Kaiten

November 25, 2011, 02:28 PM

It is to early to be proclaiming any series doom, especially with new series premiering less than a month ago and no real idea when the next round of cancellations are coming. There is also the Hunter x Hunter factor: a series will be saved from cancellation whenever it goes on hiatus again, assuming it does. There is a minimum of four more issues before HxH can go back on hiatus.

Kagami has not fared well in the TOC recently, that much is true. Three recent issues in the bottom five as well as a number of issues where (for all intensive purposes) unranked series like Hunter x Hunter and Kochikame pushed it out of the bottom five. Kagami has ranked in the middle frequently enough that nothing can be assumed. Medaka yo-yo'ed between the bottom five and middle when it was new and was not canceled. Jump seems to cut new, non-action manga a lot of slack as there are so few examples at any given time. It should also be remembered that the TOC is not a one person - one vote poll. Votes are weighted by age and gender. No matter what the actual composition of readers, votes from middle school boys who may be embarrassed to vote for a romantic comedy will always outweigh votes from readers over sixteen. Thus action manga tend to be artificially inflated while slice of life and romcon tend to be artificially low. A series like Kagami may be getting enough votes to survive but the editors are pushing it down the TOC to make room for manga that most appeal to Jump's target audience. I would not take a color page as sign of survival but unless Kagami becomes a fixture in the bottom five I would delay proclamations of doom. Always remember: Medaka Box and Akaboshi each had early rankings similar to Kagami. The vast majority of thread regulars declared that Medaka would be canceled and Akaboshi survive based on the logic that Jump gives preference to action and there is never much room for anything else. The actual fact is that action manga are a dime a dozen while it is a real challenge to find comedy, slice of life, and romcon manga. With even a little support the editors will not cancel non-action, it is to hard to find publishable replacements. As long as Kagami continues making occasional visits to the middle of the magazine (sixth from bottom or above) it will survive.

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Do you remember Bokke-san? It was promoted right before the end as well. I'll agree with you that it's not over yet, but I doubt anyone will really be shocked to see it go. Being excluded from Jump Next! may not spell a death sentence, but it definitely isn't a good thing either...

Bokke bottomed out as soon as Asklepius and Meister were canceled. Both series cushioned Bokke, which rarely ranked higher than sixth or seventh from bottom. That was also the period when To Love Ru and Neuro were permanent bottom five for six months or more, without being canceled. A lot of new series seemed to be safer than they were, as only the most pathetic fell into the bottom five immediately. Bokke is also a case of an easily replaced action/fantasy manga.