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Surprise
October 28, 2011, 07:14 PM
What do you think of the remaining first stringers? Will they be more fodder like the others? Will we get full matches for once?
My thoughts, Byoudouin, shuu and the guy who is probably ryoga will be good. The remaining ones will be more fodder who will curbstomp the court 1 people before people like echizen, sanada and fuji show up and beat them. But maybe not, these high schoolers will likely be on another level from the previous ones. In any case I feel like tokugawa and oni have been hyped up too much to ditch them before we can see their abilities.
Hopefully once Konomi establishes the team the one page kills can end and we can get back to the five match format. It would also be nice if the first stringers could be more than fodder, but it seems at the moment that irie, tokugawa and oni are the only ones he is planning on developing. Although even if the remaining first stringers are more fodder I hope that they will showcase the improvements of our middle schoolers. Particularly looking forward to some more good doubles because now new awesome teams have become possible.

Airgrimes
October 29, 2011, 04:21 PM
What do you think of the remaining first stringers? Will they be more fodder like the others? Will we get full matches for once?
My thoughts, Byoudouin, shuu and the guy who is probably ryoga will be good. The remaining ones will be more fodder who will curbstomp the court 1 people before people like echizen, sanada and fuji show up and beat them. But maybe not, these high schoolers will likely be on another level from the previous ones. In any case I feel like tokugawa and oni have been hyped up too much to ditch them before we can see their abilities.
Hopefully once Konomi establishes the team the one page kills can end and we can get back to the five match format. It would also be nice if the first stringers could be more than fodder, but it seems at the moment that irie, tokugawa and oni are the only ones he is planning on developing. Although even if the remaining first stringers are more fodder I hope that they will showcase the improvements of our middle schoolers. Particularly looking forward to some more good doubles because now new awesome teams have become possible.

Couldnt agree more with this post.

I agree that at least a few of this Top 10 will become fodder. Although I wish Konomi wouldnt do that.

I also believe that Oni and Tokugawa will either lose closely or win, since they have been greatly hyped up.
Along with Byoudouin, Tanegashima and Ryoga*.

At the same time, the Court 1 guys SHOULD all be 1st Stringer level like Tokugawa, Oni and Irie. Considering they were good enough to train with Tanegashima.

Thing is, Nakagauchi>Krauser. But Date>>Nakagauchi. And Date is also a freaking beast. In a Singles Match im trying to think of methods how he would lose.

So I dont see how Konomi will balance it out if the Top10 are MEANT to be stronger than the rest of the 1st Stringers. They need to all be at least at Yamato level. And each should have a beast logic-defying technique like Yamato's Gen yume utsu, or Hakamada's Vanish.

LetalHawk
October 29, 2011, 04:46 PM
Well, I hope all the top 10 get to show how strong they are and why their level is different than the first part, I hope most of them get full matches.

I also think that Echizen Sanada and other middle schoolers should replace them but after the matches are over, it wouldn't make sense that Echizen, that is way better than the middle schoolers that replaced the second part (Tooyama, Inui, Oishi, Momo..) loses. Also, he has main char plothax, so he will win

Airgrimes
October 29, 2011, 04:50 PM
Yeah, Im confused with Oishi being No.15.

What if No.15 is thrown into a player shuffle? Oishi is completely screwed.
Same with Kabaji.

Echizen had better not be thrown in too soon. He is gonna annihalate his opponent.

Id rather see Akutsu, Sanada, Fuji, Shiraishi(again), Konjiki(He is hilarious) or a character we havent seen yet: Zaizen.
They would be good to be seen in the storyline.

Surprise
October 29, 2011, 08:52 PM
The problem with this series is that he made the court 3 people too good relative to his own players, and then used them to hype up the 1st stringers. In doing this he devalued all his characters, and then to compensate for it he had some relatively weak characters smack down on the first stringers to try to revalue his good characters. The problem is that it feels fake. Besides Yuki and Irie, and maybe the oishi niou pair, I don't feel like the middle schoolers deserved to make 1st string. Like Kawa/Kabaji, who I could see losing to nakagauchi and the young master, but they score the upset of the century instead, or momo/kenya winning on the virtue of just a black jack knife, which somehow compensates for the fact that the other team was out and out better. Konomi had to make good 2nd stringers to advance the story, but he had to make the 1st stringers good to show why they are first string, but he has to make them weak enough to lose to main characters. He trapped himself. Now he has devalued everyone who played the court 3 shuffle and yanagi

Airgrimes
October 30, 2011, 07:52 AM
Again, I couldnt agree more with this post.

He has de-valued MOST of his characters.
Making Kirihara on par with Matusdaira and Miyako, then showing that Ban>>Miyako and Date>>Miyako.
Thing is, he hasnt shown that Kabaji>any of the old 1st Stringers. Since Kabaji couldnt replicate the power.

when it comes to Black Jack Knife, remember that it took out Momo's wrists.
So the Black Jack Knife could have forced a forfeit from Taira and Hara since it would mean they couldnt use their Bakyuun and Moukohan respectively.

Unfortunately it depicts Yanagi as the same level as the old 3rd Court. Which is by no means crap since they were awesome, but just a bit far off from Inui. Inui deserved his place though. Remember the practice Konomi revealed he goes under.

Im hoping Kawamura and Kabaji lose their spots soon. Along with Kenya. If Oishi is put forward for a Singles Match Ill be laughing since he's gonna get owned. I reckon the Mutsu twins are pretty good at Singles or at least Average since they said to Washio/Issa the pair with better physique and technique wins.

We are yet to see Kenya use a technique yet he is the No. 18?

Luckily Tooyama is going to own Hakamada. Or already has.
My problem is what will Konomi do with Fuwa, Date, Ban and Hakamada. Since they are definetely above MOST of the Middle Schoolers.
Fuwa was No.11 which makes him a little better than Date and Ban,
In Singles, Date and Ban would be unstoppable. Hakamada's Vanish is too difficult to return.
And Hakamada and Fuwa only lost to amongst the best middle schoolers (Yukimura and Tooyama) so if Konomi put them back in against a new opponent they will still have the fans respect.

Kaoz
October 30, 2011, 09:10 AM
Again, I couldnt agree more with this post.

He has de-valued MOST of his characters.
Making Kirihara on par with Matusdaira and Miyako, then showing that Ban>>Miyako and Date>>Miyako.

I disagree with this part. Shiraishi without the gauntlet and Sane Devil Akaya destroyed Miyako/Matsudaira pretty badly (effectively a 6-0 really).

So basically we know that Shiraishi/Kirihara >> Miyako/Matsudaira and Date/Ban >> Miyako/Nakagauchi. This doesn't tell us anything about the relation between Shiraishi/Kirihara and Date/Ban though.

To answer the thread question, I think from the remaining 1st Stringers, only Tanegashima and No. 4 will stay, and the others will be replaced by Tokugawa, Oni, Irie and the MSers.

Airgrimes
October 30, 2011, 09:53 AM
I disagree with this part. Shiraishi without the gauntlet and Sane Devil Akaya destroyed Miyako/Matsudaira pretty badly (effectively a 6-0 really).

So basically we know that Shiraishi/Kirihara >> Miyako/Matsudaira and Date/Ban >> Miyako/Nakagauchi. This doesn't tell us anything about the relation between Shiraishi/Kirihara and Date/Ban though.

To answer the thread question, I think from the remaining 1st Stringers, only Tanegashima and No. 4 will stay, and the others will be replaced by Tokugawa, Oni, Irie and the MSers.

Fair enough.
When it comes to the guys who will become fodder:

Well, I reckon Konomi is going to make A LOT of High Schoolers fodder.
Remember the guys that didnt collect balls when they fell from the helicopter at the start? Well they are still in the mountains and got owned by Yanagi/Inui pair. Some got owned by Sanada when he hits 5 balls at once.
Remember when the winners climbed to the 5th and 6th Courts? Who were their opponents? FODDER.
Remember the losers arrival? they took out the old 2nd Court who should have been slightly better than the old 3rd Court. FODDER.

these old 1st Stringers? I reckon they will be re-used as a ladder which should provide entertaining episodes.
However several high schoolers are yet to have techniques revealed :/

Takei Toshio, Fuwa Tetsuhito, Ban Rikiya, Akiba Koyo, Tokugawa Kazuya. Luckily the last one should be awesome but Konomi has given NONE of the High Schoolers backstory's.
Except those connected to Middle Schoolers (Mitsuya, Yamato, Hara and Taira).

LetalHawk
October 30, 2011, 11:05 AM
Seriously? Byodouin giving up his No.1 spot?, I can see him Shuuji, Duke and Ryoga, and Kimijima, the other ones should be replaced by Yamato, Fuji, Sanada, Echizen.

Btw, I think Yuki could destroy every member of the top 10 or maybe up to No.3, I don't think that they have TnK, or how they could break out of Yips.

If Tezuka comes back, he will attain a spot on the top 10 for sure, he is the strongest character right now (maybe Ryoma takes the lead again)

Airgrimes
October 30, 2011, 11:50 AM
Yeah, I hope for Yuki to enter the Top 10 since he is the strongest middle schooler in Japan right now. (Depends if Echizen can use PoP at will)
But I also wonder how Konomi will treat his Top10.
He has hyped up and then foddered so many characters. I wouldnt be surprised if he turned his Top10 into fodder.

Surprise
October 30, 2011, 01:40 PM
I disagree with this part. Shiraishi without the gauntlet and Sane Devil Akaya destroyed Miyako/Matsudaira pretty badly (effectively a 6-0 really).

So basically we know that Shiraishi/Kirihara >> Miyako/Matsudaira and Date/Ban >> Miyako/Nakagauchi. This doesn't tell us anything about the relation between Shiraishi/Kirihara and Date/Ban though.

To answer the thread question, I think from the remaining 1st Stringers, only Tanegashima and No. 4 will stay, and the others will be replaced by Tokugawa, Oni, Irie and the MSers.

I can agree with what you said on the kirihara shiraishi pair, but has he not devalued the two wings of kyuushu by having them lose to washio and shun? They got wrecked by the mutsu twins. And what about krauser who Konomi hinted wouldn't have done nearly as well without nakagauchi feeding him cord balls? I can't really justify kawamura and kabaji making the team over the two wings

Airgrimes
October 30, 2011, 02:55 PM
You view the series the SAME way I do.
I completely agree again.

The whole Washio/Suzuki VS Tachibana/Chitose having them be equal thing.
In Konomi's defense, they aint played together for a whole year.

But yeah, Mutsu/Mutsu ate Washio/Suzuki alive. Meaning they would do the same to the Two Wings.
However, Chitose and Tachibana didnt appear to bring out their trump cards. (Muga and Mojuu).

Nakagauchi>Krauser and Date>Nakagauchi should mean Date>>Krauser. Krauser just isnt that great.

And when it comes to Kabaji and Kawamura, I reckon Konomi will put them forward for Player Shuffles.
Because I can think of 15+ players who are better than Kabaji and Kawamura so them being No.13 and No.12 aint right.

I think the next guys to get screen time are Akutsu, Sanada and Fuji? and Some Okinawa player.