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FanOfAniManga
November 03, 2011, 11:48 AM
I just realized something very important about the Pillars.

Beware of MASSIVE potential spoilers relating to the Pillars for future chapters of the manga:

Out of curiosity, I tried searching up the names of the Pillars revealed so far online. Then, I started finding websites like these:

http://www.toroia.info/dict/index.php?cmd=read&page=%E6%82%AA%E9%AD%94%E5%AD%A6%2F%E3%83%87%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%81%AE%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AB%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%83%99%E3%83%83%E3%83%88
http://mimizun.com/log/2ch/comic/1114735084/
http://8222.teacup.com/tatuya/bbs/97


They have nothing to do with the manga, yet they each have 24 names listed together, the same number of pillars in Behemoth's 34 Pillar Division. With a few minor changes in the katakana, all the Pillars' names so far have matched the ones from this list.

Apparently, they have to do with some sort of demonology, an "Alphabet of Demons", as the first website puts it, though I have yet to figure out what it is exactly. For now, however, it seems like we'll be seeing future Pillars with their names derived directly from this list (copied and pasted from the second website):

A アギエル Agiel
B ベラー Belah
C ケモル Chemor
D ディン Din
E エリム Elim
F ファバス Fabas
G グラフィエル Graphiel
H ヘカドス Hecadoth
I イアー Iah
K クネ Kne
L ラベド Labed
M メホド Mehod
N ネバク Nebak
O オドネル Odonel
P パミエル Pamiel
Q クェドバスケモド Quedbaschemod
R レラー Relah
S スケタリム Schethalim
T ティリエル Tiriel
V ウァバム Vabam
W ワスボガ Wasboga
X クソブラー Xoblah
Y ユシエル Yshiel
Z ゼラー Zelah

It should be noted that the Pillar's numbers also correspond to their positions on the list (eg Hecados/Hecadoth is 8th, Rabid/Labed is 11th, Wasboga is 21st, etc.).

So, running down the list, we've seen the following Pillars so far:
- 1 (Agiel)
- 7 (Graphel)
- 8 (Hecadoth)
- 14 (Odonel)
- 24 (Zela)

And, as of this chapter, these Pillars:
- 4 (Din)
- 10 (Kne)
- 11 (Labed)
- 21 (Wasboga)
- 22 (Xoblah)
- 23 (Yshiel).

The third website sorts the 24 Demons into different elements (fire, water, etc.), though I have no idea what relevance it has.


I'm actually thinking of compiling these names for the Wiki ahead of time before all 24 pillars are revealed. Also, I highly recommend we all use these names from now on to refer to the Pillars, maybe with a few spelling changes to reflect the discrepancies in katakana (eg Graphel instead of Graphiel, Zela instead of Zelah).


---------- Post added at 10:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:33 AM ----------

UPDATE:

If you look at each Pillar's face, you may notice a strange symbol. That symbol corresponds to each Pillar's letter on the Alphabet of Demons.

Here's a depiction of the Alphabet of Demons in its 24 symbols, from this (http://www.afternight.com/runes/runes5.htm) website:
http://www.afternight.com/runes/a-demo.gif

9:44PM UPDATE:
Now, for some reason, Hecadoth's mark doesn't match with the "H" symbol on the chart, and I don't know why.

Agiel still has her own mark, it's just not on her face. If you look at chapter 119, where Kunieda strips Agiel of most of her clothing, you'll notice the mark on her left thigh. The chart I gave is a bit messy, but sure enough, it matches with Agiel's mark.

Gomenasai
November 03, 2011, 12:58 PM
... does this mean you'd like to be the translator, or the proofreader for the series?

FanOfAniManga
November 03, 2011, 10:04 PM
... does this mean you'd like to be the translator, or the proofreader for the series?

Nah, I think Red Hawk is good here, though I would like to get my hands on translating another series sometime soon.

Also, I just wanted to point out this discovery, which is very relevant to the plot.

raDar
November 04, 2011, 09:16 AM
I'll give you props for this. Good find, man. I find these references awesome with the Alphabet's really matching most of the tattoos of the Pillars. I hope Tamura also use those element classification you mentioned. At least we know Tamura's doing his own research.

Teeba
November 04, 2011, 05:46 PM
Wow, that's really awesome, FanofmanyAnime!

I am really surprised there is such a "list" of demons....in Japanese, no less. As for Hecadoth's symbol not matching his face, I'm going to assume that many the mangaka hadn't fully developed what the pillars where, let alone how they would be identified. Still, its nice that we can understand the mangaka's research, and he's basing it off of something real as oppose to trying to make it up from scratch.

Another thing I found cool is that Salamander's ability to create fire is also based on demonology. So, I give Tamura-sensei props for working within real demonic myths as oppose doing it to make it look "cool". Yeah.

masgrande
November 10, 2011, 04:20 AM
This is pretty awesome, if only there was a way to tell the name of the missing pillar head.