Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 65 and 66 Discussion/Predictions

[Kaoz]

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A summary can be found here (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/47791-Shin-Prince-of-Tennis-Spoiler-Thread-%28Next-Ch.-August-4th%29?p=2626016&viewfull=1#post2626016).

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1266451674#sub (scroll down to posts 44&45)

[LetalHawk]

Thanks Chaos for the raws. It seems we are going to see some middle schoolers against the top 10. I think the best ones for battling them are echizen, sanada, atobe, kaidou, shiraishi and akutsu. I don't see kite, tanishi, gin, marui or tachibana beating them, because they're too far from their level, I don't think none of them can hit 5 balls at the same time (except Tanishi, however, he is too weak to be a top 10, altough seeing guys like kabaji or kawamura on the first string, I wouldn't be surprised if he makes it).


Furthermore, next month we should see more of Tezuka in Germany, so it should be interesting if he is going to be in the German team. And in the end of ch. 66, Echizen can hit 7 balls, and when he says to add 5 more, it seems that he can hit 10 at the same time, putting him at Tokugawa's level or even better. What do you guys think?

[Kaoz]

It seems we are going to see some middle schoolers against the top 10.

I think it's very much implied that not only the top 10 will play, but that there will be a shuffle match for every position. In other words, a total of 20 matches (I believe them to be singles).


Furthermore, next month we should see more of Tezuka in Germany, so it should be interesting if he is going to be in the German team.

Yeah. I wonder whether we'll get to see a complete chapter dedicated to him, or whether his story will be shown one page per month like this time.


And in the end of ch. 66, Echizen can hit 7 balls, and when he says to add 5 more, it seems that he can hit 10 at the same time, putting him at Tokugawa's level or even better. What do you guys think?

Tokugawa beat Echizen with just basic tennis when they played, so even if Echizen has caught up in this particular aspect, I believe Tokugawa still has some sort of special ability he hasn't used yet, which would make him > Echizen again.

Something interesting to note is that Tokugawa and Echizen seem to use the exact same motion when they hit 5 at once.

[hr]


Kimijima: …Well then, my offer is that I will create a match order and include the middle schoolers this one time.

[...]

Tomorrow morning we will have a Shuffle Match to determine the All Japan Representatives!!

As I mentioned above, I think this implies that we get to see shuffle matches for each position, with the line-ups being adjusted to include the MSers.

So the 1st Stringer's line-up would be:

No. 1 Byoudouin Houou
No. 2 Tanegashima Shuuji
No. 3 Duke Watanabe
No. 4 No. 4
No. 5 Kaji Kazena
No. 6 Oomagari Ryuuji
No. 7 Kimijima Ikuto
No. 8 Tohno Aktuskyou
No. 9 Ochi Tsukimitsu
No. 10 Muuri Jusaboru
No. 11 Yukimura Seiichi
No. 12 Kawamura Takashi
No. 13 Kabaji Munehiro
No. 14 Tooyama Kintarou
No. 15 Oishi Shuuichirou
No. 16 Niou Masaharu
No. 17 Yanagi Renji
No. 18 Momoshiro Takeshi
No. 19 Oshitari Kenya
No. 20 Irie Kanata

Based on that I think that some doubles pairs will only have one player advance, I furthermore think that we will only see singles shuffle matches. My prediction for the 2nd Stringer's line-up is this...

No. 1 Tokugawa Kazuya
No. 2 Migihashi Itarou
No. 3 Oni Juujirou
No. 4 Echizen Ryoma
No. 5 Fuji Shuusuke
No. 6 Atobe Keigo
No. 7 Sanada Gen'ichirou
No. 8 Kirihara Akaya
No. 9 Shiraishi Kuranosuke
No. 10 Yamato Yuudai
No. 11 Akutagawa Jirou
No. 12 Ishida Gin
No. 13 Akutsu Jin
No. 14 Tachibana Kippei
No. 15 Tanishi Kei
No. 16 Kikumaru Eiji
No. 17 Inui Sadaharu
No. 18 Kite Eishirou
No. 19 Kaidoh Kaoru
No. 20 Oshitari Yuushi/Chitose Senri (undecided)


So yeah, what do you guys think? Who will face who and who will be the winners?

[LetalHawk]

Well, seeing as they already become first stringers, I think that some players like Momo, Inui, Yukimura, Oishi, Niou, Tooyama and Irie will win and stay as first stringers.

The other ones (Kawamura, Kabaji ) should be replaced. Altough if we get to see Gin vs Kawamura, I hope that Kawamura wins returning Gin's hadoukyuus seeing that he improved dramatically on power.

Tachibana vs Kintarou: Kintarou wins. No doubt. He is above him in speed, power, and stamina.
Kite vs Momo: Momo, his black jack knife is very powerful, so I don't know how Kite can return it

And Echizen and Sanada will win and become top 10, Fuji also. They have great potential to make it.

And why Jirou vs Yukimura? Yukimura can own everybody except Echizen and Sanada, so is useless to make him play because we know that he will win. Also, Inui vs Renji is useless, Renji was owned by Mitsuya and don't know why he got the badge since it was Inui who defeated him. So easy win for Inui here.

About Tokugawa and Echizen, yes we don't know Tokugawa's true abilities, but if he has some ability, Echizen has TnK, that makes him superior

[Airgrimes]

And why Jirou vs Yukimura? Yukimura can own everybody except Echizen and Sanada, so is useless to make him play because we know that he will win. Also, Inui vs Renji is useless, Renji was owned by Mitsuya and don't know why he got the badge since it was Inui who defeated him. So easy win for Inui here.

Except Sanada? Its not confirmed yet. Its shown Yukimura also improved.

Im wondering why Yukimura cant climb to the Top 10.
I cant see any middle schoolers near his level besides Echizen and Yukimura either.

Also, with Tanishi and Ishida. I dont see them becoming 1st Stringers at all.
But if Oishi is put forward for a Singles match, then he's gonna get RoflStomped.

Also, we dont know if Echizen can tap into TMnK at will yet, only Tezuka was seen doing it against Fuji.
Echizen has only done it in desperation.


And LOL, Why did Inui hand his No.17 Badge to Yanagi? Yanagi couldnt even earn it haha.

I also wonder if, Konomi will have the Final 1st Stringer list in terms of strength.
If so, Yukimura and Sanada will DEFINETELY be in Top 10. And Kawamura and Kabaji will be ousted, along with Oishi, and Tanishi shouldnt even make the Top 10.

[Kaoz]

Tachibana vs Kintarou: Kintarou wins. No doubt. He is above him in speed, power, and stamina.

I mainly put Tachibana there because Kintarou didn't get a real upgrade in his match against Hakamada, and I was hoping that he'd get Moujuu. I can't really think of other upgrades he could get tbh.


And why Jirou vs Yukimura? Yukimura can own everybody except Echizen and Sanada, so is useless to make him play because we know that he will win.

Same reason as above...

http://translations.shamannet.com/?p=296

Who else can probably hold Ten’imuhou no Kiwami

To Reach the top which is said to surpass Muga, Kintarou and Jirou have the promise and the latent potentials due to enjoying tennis form the very bottom of their hearts.

Some method to defeat a weaker TnK is the only upgrade I can think of for Yukimura atm, and Jirou is the only one he can play that can potentially get TnK at the moment.


Also, Inui vs Renji is useless, Renji was owned by Mitsuya and don't know why he got the badge since it was Inui who defeated him. So easy win for Inui here.

I disagree. Mitsuya had all of Yanagi's data when they played, and Inui got Mitsuya's data from watching Yanagi's match, while Mitsuya had no data on Inui. I don't think you can reach any conclusions about Inui's and Yanagi's relative strength from that match.

Also I guess that Inui gave Yanagi the badge because he couldn't have won without Yanagi letting him collect Mitsuya's data.


About Tokugawa and Echizen, yes we don't know Tokugawa's true abilities, but if he has some ability, Echizen has TnK, that makes him superior

I will gladly argue that Echizen cannot activate TnK willingly. If you disagree, how do you think Kazuya destroyed him?

[LetalHawk]

I don't disagree, he lost because he didn't go all-out actually, in fact, he could have used Hyakuren and Saiki but I don't think he did. Plus he will need to activate TnK at will at some point.

Also, that Jirou has potential to get TnK doesn't mean that if he unlocks it beats Yuki, since Yukimura could blast him out even with him using it. He returned TnK Echizen shots, so I think that he wouldn't have to much problem beating him. He needs to be a top 10.

Finally, Tanishi,Kite and Gin won't win against a top 10, I don't see them at all.

And I forgot that Inui collected Mitsuya's data, but appart from that, I see Inui above Renji. Inui is for sure the strongest data player in Japan, so I see him perfectly being a first stringer. If you disagree tell me why

[Kaoz]

I don't disagree, he lost because he didn't go all-out actually, in fact, he could have used Hyakuren and Saiki but I don't think he did. Plus he will need to activate TnK at will at some point.

Why didn't he go all-out? He came to the camp in order to challenge HSers, and he didn't know of the secret camp when he played Kazuya, so he had to assume this was the only match he'd get.

It makes far more sense to say he couldn't activate those moves, instead of he chose not to.

And yes, he will need to activate it at will at some point, but I would say that point is in the distant future, possibly during the last or second to last match of the series.


Also, that Jirou has potential to get TnK doesn't mean that if he unlocks it beats Yuki, since Yukimura could blast him out even with him using it. He returned TnK Echizen shots, so I think that he wouldn't have to much problem beating him. He needs to be a top 10.

Technically, he only returned them after Echizen slowed down. Furthermore, we don't know how much Jirou can get out of TnK, and he is the only opponent I can think of that would give Yukimura some chance to evolve.


Finally, Tanishi,Kite and Gin won't win against a top 10, I don't see them at all.

Neither do I. I think they'll lose, so that their opponents can improve.


And I forgot that Inui collected Mitsuya's data, but appart from that, I see Inui above Renji. Inui is for sure the strongest data player in Japan, so I see him perfectly being a first stringer. If you disagree tell me why

I don't disagree, but we can clearly see that Yanagi has the No. 17 badge. In other words, Inui has to play someone from the 1st String in order to get his own, and Yanagi vs Inui seems like the most likely possibility.

[LetalHawk]

I just hope that Inui becomes a first stringer. He is a very formidable player.

Echizen probably couldn't use muga at all, but if he has to use TnK it has to be during the last matches of the world tournament

[Airgrimes]

I don't disagree, but we can clearly see that Yanagi has the No. 17 badge. In other words, Inui has to play someone from the 1st String in order to get his own, and Yanagi vs Inui seems like the most likely possibility.

But Konomi has never really done an official rematch of an official match. So im not sure there.
Either way, us as the readers know Inui would win. It wouldnt be fun to watch.

And why wont Kite win? Kite is pretty good!
He can appear ANYWHERE on the court at top speed!
And his Big Bang serve isnt exactly easy to return. I think it would be close!

[LetalHawk]

His big bang serve is easy to return, it's not a hard serve to return, and the sukuchihou can't work if the opponent hits a very strong shot or accurate shot that Kite won't return or reach. The top 10 will have these kind of shots, so I think is useless to make him win. He it's not that important in my opinion

[Airgrimes]

Wrong there, Tsubame Gaeshi and Higuma Otoshi were accurate shots and hard to reach. But it allows him to teleport ANYWHERE since his shukichiho was different to everybody elses. If Hirakoba could teleport to where Higuma landed and teleported to the end of Tsubame to get it just off the ground, then Kite's Shukuchiho is more than capable.

Big Bang cant be easy to return. If Chinen and Tanishi were at 17-15 on tie-break, Since Tanishi cant do much besides hit a Big Bang, then im guessing he aced Chinen 15 times.
Who isnt exactly crap. (Yeah he was missing in the match against Fuji/Kawamura lol) But he ended Aoi more convicingly than Kaido.
Dont forget he had Echizen struggling for a few games (A few since Echizen was pretending).

Point is, Kite isnt someone you can group with Tanishi and Ishida. He is easily Tachibana/Inui/Chitose level.
If Konomi hands him his deserved power-up, then damn. other characters will be damned.

[Fuji Shusuke]

Hirakoba returned Tsubame Gaeshi because it was incomplete. Fuji used it against a Habu, but Fuji found out the hard way that it was not fully a topspin. So it did not have enough spin to roll. I'm guessing Habu has a secondary spin to it. Imagine how the Earth orbits the sun yet it still rotates itself for day/night cycle. So the spin keeps alternating. When Fuji used Tsubame Gaeshi the ball was at it's topspin-sidespin point, so the topspin could not be fully utilised.

[LunaLuca]

Echizen probably couldn't use muga at all, but if he has to use TnK it has to be during the last matches of the world tournament

I'm pretty much sure that Ryoma can use Muga No Kyouchi whenever he needs to. He used it naturally against Atobe and Kin-chan. It's TnK that, I think we can all agree, that he can't activate willingly.

[Kaoz]

Hirakoba returned Tsubame Gaeshi because it was incomplete. Fuji used it against a Habu, but Fuji found out the hard way that it was not fully a topspin. So it did not have enough spin to roll. I'm guessing Habu has a secondary spin to it. Imagine how the Earth orbits the sun yet it still rotates itself for day/night cycle. So the spin keeps alternating. When Fuji used Tsubame Gaeshi the ball was at it's topspin-sidespin point, so the topspin could not be fully utilised.

Well, even if the Tsubame Gaeshi was perfect, because of the Shukuchihou, Hirakoba could have easily returned it before it hit the ground, no?


I'm pretty much sure that Ryoma can use Muga No Kyouchi whenever he needs to. He used it naturally against Atobe and Kin-chan. It's TnK that, I think we can all agree, that he can't activate willingly.

Indeed. Though thinking about it a bit more, the same arguments I've been making against TnK so far can almost all be applied to Hyakuren and Saiki as well. With Saiki, you even get the fact that he didn't have the aura when using it against Yukimura.

http://read.mangashare.com/Prince-of-Tennis/chapter-373/page016.html

As you can see, it's only Hyakuren's aura. This might be a simple screw up but who knows, maybe he was just bluffing.

[Fuji Shusuke]

Yes Tsubame Gaeshi would be returned before it hit the ground, I was just pointing out a misunderstanding.

[LetalHawk]

Hirakoba can't return Houhou Gaeshi, Kirin Otoshi and Hakuryu, Even Gatekeeper and Hoshi Hanabi. Those would work against Kite, because Fuji is on another league than Kite. You can't compare them both

[Airgrimes]

Well, even if the Tsubame Gaeshi was perfect, because of the Shukuchihou, Hirakoba could have easily returned it before it hit the ground, no?


My point exactly.
With Shukuchiho unlimited, Kite is technically pretty awesome.
I dont see him losing his first match in SPoT.
If he loses, he has to be against somebody thats plot-powered.
Or above his tier level. I reckon he'll win against his High School opponent.

[Fuji Shusuke]

I think the evolved Triple Counters could all be returned by Shukuchihou. Hecatoncheires and Hoshi Hanabi cannot though.

[Airgrimes]

Fourth Counter's path was very unclear(Implied by Chinen and Hirakoba) so regardless of speed its hard to return.

But yeah, An unlimited any direction Shukichiho could handle it at least.
Kite is pretty awesome.

[LetalHawk]

Fourth Counter's path was very unclear(Implied by Chinen and Hirakoba) so regardless of speed its hard to return.

But yeah, An unlimited any direction Shukichiho could handle it at least.
Kite is pretty awesome.

Agree with you, but are you sure he can hit 5 balls or 7 balls at the same time like Echizen?. The top 10 are at Tokugawa's/Oni's level, so if Kite can't at least hit 5 at a time, he wouldn't stand a chance against a top 10 first stringer. The first stringers have amazing power and speed, some of them endless stamina and an unbreakable mental. Kite will have speed and power, but if he doesn't improve his stats or learns to hit multiple balls at a time, forge about him becoming a first stringer.

Plus Kite, personally, isn't that important in the story (not many people are interested on him lmao).

[Airgrimes]

I know about him not being popular haha.
And stats dont mean much considering theyve only been used for the Team Shuffle between 3rd Court and 5th Court.

But mentally Kite, put dirt in Tezuka's eyes. I think Mental wise he has no problem. Nothing got in the way of his will to win.
Kite has speed, power and technique. He probably has mental too.

Its just popularity wise that will let his abilities down. Coz Konomi hyped him up.

[LetalHawk]

If he becomes a first stringer, better on the position between No.11 and 20, he won't beat a top 10, he is still too far away from their level

[Airgrimes]

Yeah I think Konomi has purposely mentioned the whole 5 balls rally at a time thing to differentiate between Top10 lvl and below.
thing is though, Akutsu can hit 5 at a time. So surely he is some kind of awesomeness.

[LetalHawk]

Akutsu is simply a beast, but he will never reach Echizen's level. Even if he sayed I will make that cheeky brat pay, I don't think he can't defeat him (plus echizen received a harder training and can hit more balls at a time, like Sanada).

But if Kite makes it, on the b part, not on the top 10.

I would like to see Irie being defeated once for all by somebody, so I want to see him vs Chitose, with Chitose winning with Saiki

[Airgrimes]

Unfortunately, since Irie bested the likes of Atobe, then he cant lose to Chitose. They are different levels.
Same way Tezuka was allowed to be defeated by Atobe and Sanada, but not Chitose or Kite.

Im now wondering which school Muuri went to.
Since, like Hara, he is just a year older than the MSers. Hopefully he should know about the wrath of Sanada and Yukimura since they beasted through the nationals as 2nd years.
Since it states they beat Shitenhoji in the Semis in straight sets, and Makinofuji didnt put up much of a fight either.

[LetalHawk]

Anyhow, I don't know why Konomi made Yukimura be on No.11, he definitely needs to be between the 5 and 1 position, he can easily defeat all of the current first stringers (of the B part), so I don't know why Konomi made him No.11.

Tooyama is in the same situation, if he is the second strongest of the B part (I think it would be Irie>Tooyama>Yukimura), he also needs to be on the top 10 position. Maybe Konomi decides to make him go up battling against a top 10 after defending his position (he won't lose in his No.14 position match)

[Airgrimes]

Is it clear what Kimijima does yet? Unfortunately he seems to be a Data Player since he is going to organise things. Im hoping he isnt. Players with glasses that arent Data Players that act arrogant tend to be awesome in this. (Oshitari, Tezuka, Kite, Yagyuu...) Hopefully he isnt a Data Player since we ALREADY have Inui, Yanagi, Mitsuya, Konjiki and Mizuki.

Also hoping there are some guys in that Top 10 that have Auras. If they have to be beaten, at least make it interesting in ONE-BY-ONE matches.
Im also kind of hoping there are NO Doubles matches.
I really wanna see the Singles abilities of the 2nd Stringer HSers.

[LetalHawk]

You mean that they only have muga auras? I don't think any of them as TnK

[Airgrimes]

Surely one of them must have Muga auras. It doesnt have to be TMnK which is the final aura.

[LetalHawk]

In order to unlock Tenimuhou, you have to enjoy tennis and forget about the results, that means enjoying it to it's fullest without being obsessed with victory. I doubt the top 10 enjoy tennis lol

[Airgrimes]

I just remembered. The whole thing where Kurobe says ''Tomorrow will determine the All-Japan representatives!!''.
That means that after this set of matches will be the end of the U-17 Camp doesnt it?

That sucks. This means we only saw a glimpse of Date, Taira and Hara. And the Mutsu Twins.
And Byoudouin, Tokugawa, Kimijima, Duke and Tanegashima and hopefully Ryoga who we will only see play ONE match.
BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.

[LetalHawk]

Well, the only thing that's left is those matches

But I think the storyline is good, the real interesting part of Shin is when they face foreign teams, I don't think Konomi has to expand much more the U-17 Camp. Hopefully, Echizen, Sanada, Atobe, Shiraishi, Kirihara, Yukimura and Tooyama get in the top 10.

[Airgrimes]

Thats a waste of time.
He's put such effort into lowering his characters, boosting up his characters and hyping up people that suck, it would be stupid to have them all play once.

The whole Foreign teams thing should wait.

Kirihara shouldnt be Top 10. I see him losing to 10 people in that camp.

What was the point in carrying over 50 middle schoolers into the camp if we would only see a full match a few times.
3rd Court VS 5th Court
(BJB Doesnt count since we didnt see much of anything, only a few techniques being revealed).
And now these final Shuffle Matches.

So the Shin Prince of Tennis will end with us never seeing Zaizen, Yushi, Hiyoshi, Ootori, Shishido, Konjiki, Hitouji, Kamio, Ibu, Kikumaru, Hirakoba, Kai, Jackal, Yagyuu, Sengoku, Mizuki, Yuuta in a match??
There was little point in including them in the story no?

[LetalHawk]

Maybe yagyuu or sengoku but I don't think Kamio, Ibu, SHishido and Otori are important characters. Konomi can't give power ups to all of them, because they're not as important as the other characters, so I think it's fine the way he is doing it. I hope he gives great matches with the top 10 and with the foreign teams.

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Do you guys think that Kaidoh will make it to the first string? Personally, I see him battling a top 10, if he improved like the others, he should have amazing skills now and even more stamina, that would make him almost invincible. I'm looking foward to his development.

[Airgrimes]

Maybe yagyuu or sengoku but I don't think Kamio, Ibu, SHishido and Otori are important characters. Konomi can't give power ups to all of them, because they're not as important as the other characters, so I think it's fine the way he is doing it. I hope he gives great matches with the top 10 and with the foreign teams.

---------- Post added November 26, 2011 at 03:23 AM ---------- Previous post was November 25, 2011 at 05:14 PM ----------

Do you guys think that Kaidoh will make it to the first string? Personally, I see him battling a top 10, if he improved like the others, he should have amazing skills now and even more stamina, that would make him almost invincible. I'm looking foward to his development.

He doesnt have to give them power-ups. Just a match since I cant think why he carried them over to the camp if he wont have them play a match. They arent the only names I listed. Also, he didnt have to send all the losers to the Mountains. He could have done a select few. He didnt have to show them staying in dorms with each other but he did, kinda hinting this U-17 Camp would be a awhile.
So its disappointing that he's gonna end it so soon.

And no. If Kirihara doesnt hit Top 10 which I think he shouldnt, then Kaidoh wont. If Momo wont then Kaidoh wont.
And I can think of 10 guys who would kick his ass.

[LetalHawk]

He doesnt have to give them power-ups. Just a match since I cant think why he carried them over to the camp if he wont have them play a match. They arent the only names I listed. Also, he didnt have to send all the losers to the Mountains. He could have done a select few. He didnt have to show them staying in dorms with each other but he did, kinda hinting this U-17 Camp would be a awhile.
So its disappointing that he's gonna end it so soon.

And no. If Kirihara doesnt hit Top 10 which I think he shouldnt, then Kaidoh wont. If Momo wont then Kaidoh wont.
And I can think of 10 guys who would kick his ass.

Well, if Kaidoh doesn't make it to the top 10, then between No.11 to 20 (he is better than Kenya, Inui, Oishi, Kawamura and Kabaji).

We don't know, but I think that Kaidoh has surpassed Momoshiro, because Kaidoh has gyro laser and maybe an amazing new technique, that combined with his new stats (more speed, power and an unbeliveable stamina) should make him a very strong opponent.

[Airgrimes]

Momo has BJK. that translates to no more wrists for Kaido. They will be equal once Konomi reveals his power-up.
And if his wrists survive it, his racket strings will have a nice hole.

Kaido better than Inui? I wouldnt go that far.
The start of the series was before Inui started crazy training.
Im sure that since Inui has LOADS of data on Kaido and has the physique to match his data, it will be a match similar to Yanagi VS Kirihara.
If Kaido wins, it will be VERY close I believe.

And more power than Momoshiro? thats not confirmed.
And I know you and chaosmaster go by stats a lot, but stats was used ONCE in the Team Shuffle. Only a few characters have revealed stats. Nobody else besides those involved in the team shuffle has had their stats shownso you cant go by stats for players who havent had stats shown yet. Actually, not even Tachibana, Chitose, Washio and Suzuki had their stats shown.

[FrostyMouse]

Chaos and I have been predicting that we see Kenya vs Kaidou and Kaidou wins, so we get Momo/Kaidou as a doubles pair.

[Fuji Shusuke]

At the end of PoT, Kaidoh received the Gyro Laser which was a massive powerup. Momoshiro needs to be able to return something that fast to beat Kaidoh. Then Momo got BJK which, I reckon, makes them equal.

[LetalHawk]

I think that Momo can return it perfectly with Black Jack Knife, the problem is how Kaidoh with deal with returning it since it's a technique that breaks your wrists and it is a very heavy shot.

But yeah, I would like to see Momo and Kaidoh as a doubles pair, Kenya wouldn't stand a chance against Kaidoh, so I think it would be good to see them as a doubles pair.

[Fuji Shusuke]

Yanagi and Kirihara can't even react to the Gyro Laser. I don't know how Momo could.

[LetalHawk]

Kaidoh won't return BJK, so I think it would be an even match

[Airgrimes]

Chaos and I have been predicting that we see Kenya vs Kaidou and Kaidou wins, so we get Momo/Kaidou as a doubles pair.

VERY neat. This would be amazing.
Thing is... Is Kenya any good at Singles? I expect him to Kikumaru level. Since he has only been shown to be quick.

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Kaidoh won't return BJK, so I think it would be an even match


Yanagi and Kirihara can't even react to the Gyro Laser. I don't know how Momo could.

Precisely.

[LetalHawk]

But I think Momo would win, and it would be very close

[Airgrimes]

Regardless, Konomi has depicted them as equal.

Same with Shiraishi and Fuji. Shiraishi simply had to lift off a weight to get his power-up which could probably let him return 5th Counter without a Cord-ball or something, leaving us waiting on a Fuji power-up.

another example is Tachibana and Chitose. Chitose won, however it was revealed Tachibana was purposely aiming shots in a certain area still trying to atone for what he did. I reckon Konomi will probably keep them as equal.

Another example I reckon, is... Atobe and Sanada. Theyve both received ENORMOUS power-ups so far. With Atobe Kingdom and that new Aura respectively.

Formerly Inui and Yanagi were depicted as equal, til Konomi recently purposely underlined Inui was better lol.

Either way, does this mean we are still getting the Hser 2nd Stringers against the Top10?
And does this mean they will be rushed to One Page Kills to make way for the MSers? Coz that would piss me off.
Since Konomi has made Yamato very strong. too strong to quickly get One page Killed.

[Kaoz]

Either way, does this mean we are still getting the Hser 2nd Stringers against the Top10?
And does this mean they will be rushed to One Page Kills to make way for the MSers? Coz that would piss me off.
Since Konomi has made Yamato very strong. too strong to quickly get One page Killed.

I doubt that we will see any more 2nd Stringers getting stomped, unless maybe one that gets hyped up and then gets destroyed by Tanegashima or No. 4 or something. I don't think it'll be a general thing though.

[Airgrimes]

I doubt that we will see any more 2nd Stringers getting stomped, unless maybe one that gets hyped up and then gets destroyed by Tanegashima or No. 4 or something. I don't think it'll be a general thing though.

Hope not. Seeing Washio struggling to breathe from the Mutsu Twins match really took it too far for me.
Same with Miyako and Nakagauchi who didnt suck at all getting wrecked.
Dont need that anymore.

Tohno's interesting shot that KO'd Hakamada has given me hope that we could get some great FULL Singles matches soon.
Not to mention Aizen look-a-like Kimijma and of course ?Ryoga?.
Who Ive just noticed is yet to say a word in so far but yeah.

Is it likely that yukimura is cool with his No.11 position? Coz Im expecting him to strive way further than just No.11.

[solomon585858]

Well there are a lot of strong players left for now but we have only 20 positions and I don't think there won't be a place for Tokugawa, Tanegashima, Oni, Byoudoin in that list. I don't think all players from 11 to 20 will save their positions. I mean we have first ten where I see no one be able to beat first trio. As for others... possibly we'll see a match between Ryoma and Ryoga for №4. Also Atobe, Shiraishi, Akutsu, Sanada, Kaido, Kirihara and Tokugawa with Oni will fight for numbers from 5 to 10.

As for Tanegashima I don't think anyone in the camp except Byoudouin will be able to beat him. He is number 2 and that hast to mean something. I don't even talk about Byoudouin.

And it really won't be fair if first 3 numbers will loose, don't you think?

What I really want to see is the battle includig current №5 Kaji Kazena. He is just a middle-schooler and already number 5. I wonder if anyone from our characters have heard anything about him so far.

[Kaoz]

What I really want to see is the battle includig current №5 Kaji Kazena. He is just a middle-schooler and already number 5. I wonder if anyone from our characters have heard anything about him so far.

That was a typo in the original chapter, he is a 3rd year High Schooler.

[-Ken-]

Did I miss a page or something? Why does Renji have the U-17 badge? Did he go all Kira like "Just as planned" when Inui beat the opponent or something?

[Kaoz]

Did I miss a page or something? Why does Renji have the U-17 badge? Did he go all Kira like "Just as planned" when Inui beat the opponent or something?

We're not sure. I'm guessing that it's because Inui could only win because Yanagi allowed him to gather Mitsuya's data or something along those lines and they agreed on Yanagi having it in the end.

[LetalHawk]

What I'm sure is that Echizen will beat No.4, he suffered a loss against Kazuya and has received little power ups, but compared to other characters, he needs to have his moment, he needs to have his spotlight, he is the best, the main character, I mean, he could even beat Tanegashima if Konomi wanted to ( he can simply put a singles match between Ryoma and Shuuji with Echizen winning in the end).

Sanada will also get his moment, we will see the true power of his Black Aura, and it could even stomp a top 10, if Konomi makes that technique way powerful than we imagine, like TnK, he could stomp Kimijima or another High Schooler he faces.

Yukimura with his new dream ability shouldn't have problem to make it to the top 10, he is the best of the B part, he could stomp easily Ryuuji, Kimijima, Tohno, Ochi, Muuri, Kaji or Watanabe if he wants to. He is the child of god, he can even destroy the likes of Irie, c´mon, everybody would be dissapointed if he doesn't make it and Atobe does, because Yukimura is way better than Atobe. The only players that can defeat him are Tezuka, Echizen, Sanada and maybe Shuuji and Byodouin.

Atobe should also make it, he should have improved beastly since his match with Irie and maybe he can use A.K during all the match.

In the end, I hope the final list of the top 10 (after the matches with MS) is like this:

1. Tokugawa
2. Shuuji
3. Oni
4. Echizen
5. Sanada
6. Atobe
7. Yukimura
8. Fuji
9. Shiraishi
10. Yamato

Yamato will DEFINITELY win, if he has been hiding his true skills, he should have no problem against No.10. I'm tired of the one page kills with the other player on the floor, the matches should be one after one with enough chapters per battle. That way, it would be longer and more interesting than the crap of the matches between MS and the B part of the first string.

[Airgrimes]

The only players that can defeat him are Tezuka, Echizen, Sanada

Why do you insist on doing this lol?
It is not confirmed that Yukimura cant overcome Sanada's BA.
If Konomi said himself that the strongest Middle Schooler is Yukimura then lets just wait.

Yukimura up til now cant be beaten without PoP. We dont know if BA puts a danger on the users body or drains energy.
Leave it as equal strength.
Your list also has Atobe above Yukimura. It is shown that Atobe Kingdom cant be used over a long period due to the large amount of Insight required which caused Atobe to collapse.

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Remember Oni only has BJK so far.
I dont see why Konomi wont make Echizen above him. Remember Oni is a climbing frame for Tooyama. I believe Tooyama will probably be above him afterwards. As Tokugawa is the climbing frame for Echizen.

I also believe that since Konomi has hyped up Tooyama as the other half of the 'super' rookies even in Shin PoT that it means Tooyama will progress to Top 10. Remember he is stated to be better than Shiraishi by Shiraishi himself.

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And then Fuji... My 2nd Fav. Konomi may have even forgotten about the awesomeness he handed to him in PoT. Since Fuji has shown no signs of mplaying a match.

[FrostyMouse]

Fuji's still the second most popular character, so you can more or less expect him to get a good match, and win, against some top 10 player.

[LetalHawk]

Yeah, Echizen and Kintarou will surpass oni, I think Echizen is better than him already, and soon will surpass Tokugawa

[Airgrimes]

Yeah, Echizen and Kintarou will surpass oni, I think Echizen is better than him already, and soon will surpass Tokugawa

Well... Tokugawa left him on the floor exhausted. If you remember how the No.s 11-20 did the same to 3rd Court....
Echizen has NEVER recieved the ONE-PAGE-KILL treatment before.
I reckon Echizen hasnt completely closed the gap yet.

I do reckon Akutsu is awesomeness now though. For some reason Konomi has probably purposely had just he and Sanada and the Super rookies hit 5 balls at once.

[LetalHawk]

We don't know, but Echizen, apparently, can hit 10 balls like Tokugawa, but Tokugawa sure has an ability that puts him above, until Echizen reveals a super duper crazy technique. Konomi, please surprise us.

[Ironman666]

Regardless, Konomi has depicted them as equal.

Same with Shiraishi and Fuji. Shiraishi simply had to lift off a weight to get his power-up which could probably let him return 5th Counter without a Cord-ball or something, leaving us waiting on a Fuji power-up.

another example is Tachibana and Chitose. Chitose won, however it was revealed Tachibana was purposely aiming shots in a certain area still trying to atone for what he did. I reckon Konomi will probably keep them as equal.

Another example I reckon, is... Atobe and Sanada. Theyve both received ENORMOUS power-ups so far. With Atobe Kingdom and that new Aura respectively.

Formerly Inui and Yanagi were depicted as equal, til Konomi recently purposely underlined Inui was better lol.

Either way, does this mean we are still getting the Hser 2nd Stringers against the Top10?
And does this mean they will be rushed to One Page Kills to make way for the MSers? Coz that would piss me off.
Since Konomi has made Yamato very strong. too strong to quickly get One page Killed.

Idk if it has been necessarily proven that inui is better than yanagi, yanagi lost against number 17, but the only reason inui had the chance to win was because he was able to gather data on on the high schooler from his match with yanagi, and in a match between data tennis players, the one with the most data will win, and inui was the only one to have current data on his opponent going into the match, if the number 17 high schooler had seen inui play a full match beforehand, he probably would have won

[Airgrimes]

Idk if it has been necessarily proven that inui is better than yanagi, yanagi lost against number 17, but the only reason inui had the chance to win was because he was able to gather data on on the high schooler from his match with yanagi, and in a match between data tennis players, the one with the most data will win, and inui was the only one to have current data on his opponent going into the match, if the number 17 high schooler had seen inui play a full match beforehand, he probably would have won

...Mitsuya hadnt seen Yanagi play since Yanagi was in his final year of grade school lol.
I actually think Konomi has done this on purpose. Its possible that he will put Inui in against Oishi or take out Kenya.
To have Yanagi/Inui pair or something.

Also, Mitsuya played effortlessly. He didnt bring out everything he had against Yanagi. So I believe this was intentional by Konomi.
Or not lol.

[Kaoz]

...Mitsuya hadnt seen Yanagi play since Yanagi was in his final year of grade school lol.


Mitsuya taught Yanagi Data Tennis, he would most definately know how Yanagi plays.

[Airgrimes]

Yeah. but FOUR years? You can change a tennis style in one in this series. A four year time distance shouldnt really be enough of a reason.

Tezuka and Yamato have the same age difference and it was about overtaking your senior in that match.
Same with Kenya and Taira although I still think Taira would stomp Kenya.

But I genuinely believe now that Inui is better than Yanagi after that match. Even if it was only slightly. Its just the fact that Yanagi claimed he was hopeless from the start.