Hunter x Hunter Chapter 326 Discussion

[Uriel]

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[Raad]

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ﾊﾟﾘｽﾄﾝ＝ﾋﾙはトリプル(優しいﾊﾝﾀｰ協会がﾓｯﾄｰ)
ﾁｰﾄﾞﾙ＝ﾖｰｸｼｬｰもトリプル　(あらゆる膿を出しつくします）(どっちも犬の名前か(笑)プードルにヨークシャテリア(笑)
ﾚｵﾘｵ＝ﾊﾟﾗﾃﾞｨﾅｲﾄ　ルーキー(医者を目指し勉強中)
ボドバイ＝ギガンテ　トリプル(名実共に最も会長に近い男)
ﾐｽﾄｻﾞｲﾑ＝ﾅﾅ　ﾀﾞﾌﾞﾙ　(十二支んの良心。脱会長派も認める常識人)
ﾃﾗﾃﾞｨﾝ＝ﾆｭｰﾄﾗﾙ　ﾀﾞﾌﾞﾙ　ヘッドハンター（人材発掘育成のプロ　ハンター試験の抜本的見直し要求）
ｲｯｸｼｮﾝﾍﾟ＝ｶｯﾄｩｰﾁｬ　ｼﾝｸﾞﾙ　ハッカーﾊﾝﾀｰ　(電脳世界の住人、本人は依然危険中)
ﾓﾗｳ＝ﾏｯｶｰﾅｰｼ　ｼﾝｸﾞﾙ　シーﾊﾝﾀｰ　(蟻討伐で一気にトリプルになるかも)
サッチョウ＝ｺﾊﾞﾔｶﾜ　ﾀﾞﾌﾞﾙ　お悩みﾊﾝﾀｰ(十二支んの相談役)
ビスケ＝クルーｶﾞｰ　ﾀﾞﾌﾞﾙ　ｽﾄｰﾝﾊﾝﾀｰ　(ﾊﾝﾀｰ協会のお母さん×　お姉さん　怒られたい人増加中)
ﾘﾝﾈ＝ｵｰﾄﾞﾌﾞﾙ　ﾀﾞﾌﾞﾙ　グルメﾊﾝﾀｰ　(協会最年長　肉声が聞ければ五年ぶり)
ｻﾝﾋﾞｶ＝ﾉｰﾄﾝ　ｼﾝｸﾞﾙ　ウィルスﾊﾝﾀｰ　(協会の女医さん　本人は投票しないでと困惑)
ﾌﾞｼﾄﾞﾗ＝ｱﾝﾋﾞｼｬｽ　ｼﾝｸﾞﾙ　ブラックリストﾊﾝﾀｰ　(協会の風紀委員)
ﾙｰﾍﾟ＝ﾊｲﾗﾝﾄﾞ　ﾛｽﾄﾊﾝﾀｰ(コンタクトから失踪者まで探すます。会員のロスト問題に切り込む)
ｷｭｰﾃｨｰ＝ﾋﾞｭｰﾃｨｰ　ｼﾝｸﾞﾙ　かわ美ﾊﾝﾀｰ(自他共に認める副会長の親衛隊　かわ美い協会を目指す)
ｼﾞﾝ＝ﾌﾘｰｸｽ　ﾀﾞﾌﾞﾙ　遺跡ﾊﾝﾀｰ　(十二支んの風来坊　ギリギリ復活はあの同情票か)

キルアがﾀﾌﾞﾚｯﾄ端末で選挙結果を見てる。ﾚｵﾘｵが殴った動画も見ている。
ｺﾞﾄｰにイルミから電話
その電話をキルアに代わる。キルアはｺﾞﾄーのおかげでアルカをめぐるキルア家の相関図が分かった。
親父はキルアを信頼しているがアルカを警戒、だが反面操作したいと思っている。だから信頼できるアマネとﾂﾎﾞﾈを同行させた。
イルミの名前が出た瞬間アマネが緊張した。イルミがアルカを殺そうとしていることに気づくキルア。ゴトーがいきなりイルミの名前を出してアマネの反応を探ったみたい。
続く

家族内指令は発動してる。家族それぞれで考えや方針が違った場合　あえて意見を統合せずお互いが望むやり方を通すためにする真剣勝負の事。
イルミ　『キルアかい？』
キルア『ああ』
イルミ『針とったんだね』
キルア『ああスッキリしたよ』
イルミ『じゃあ心おきなく闘れるね』
キルア『殺る？俺を？』
イルミ『ははは家族内指令で家族は殺さないよ。　家族はね』
キルア『上等だ　返り討ちにしてやるよ』
イルミ『じゃはじめるよー』

イルミの針に操作されているトレーラーと乗用車がキルア達の車に突撃　

ｺﾞﾄｰ『キルア様！ｱﾙｶ様を離さぬよう！二人が1ｍ以上離れると同時にアマネがアルカ様を捕獲！ｷﾙｱ様はﾂﾎﾞﾈと強制帰宅です故！！』
もう一台トラックが突撃してきてキルア達の車は崖より転落　遥か上の崖より見下ろすヒソカとイルミ　　イルミ側に密告者がいて情報をもらっている。キルアがルールを隠していることも知ってる。
イルミが知らないルールが有るならそれを計算せずにする交渉は無意味だと言う。キルアが内心喜んでウンって言うかもしれないから手遅れになる前にアルカを始末したいと。
ヒソカは周りの執事達を排除しつつ隙が有ればキルアとアルカを引き離してくれと言うイルミ。
ヒソカは僕がキルアを殺るのはアリかい？と聞く。イルミはブチキレお前を殺すよココで今。
ヒソカにんまりしながら殺気が漏れてるｹﾄﾞ大丈夫？と言う。
キルアが今の殺気でイルミの場所に気付く。ヒソカがｲﾙﾐをハメた。　ヒソカはゴンにも助かってほしい。おもちゃは多いほどたのしいと。

キルア一行は徒歩にて闘争。
アマネがイルミ様から離れた方が良いというがキルアは賛成だけどｱﾏﾈに言われると素直にハイって言えないと。
ツボネはアマネの祖母。ｱﾏﾈは二人ともキルアの敵ではないと言うがアルカの敵ではないと言わない限りお前らは敵なんだよと言うキルア。
電気纏ってる。
次週。

By saverne from RSF, i translated some parts from french to english, and deleted some little parts that weren't understandable:


1- Pariston Hiru, Triple hunter : a kind hunter comity (like this part for example!)
2- Cheadl Yorkshire, triple
3- Leolio Paradinaito, rookie studying medicine
4- Batobai Gigante, triple, the closest man to the president
5- Mizaistom Nana, double,
6- Teradin Nyurtoral, double, pet hunter
7- Ikoshnpe Katturcha, single, hacker hunter
8- Morau Makkarnarshi, single, sea hunter
9- Sacchou Kobayakawa, double
10- Biscuit Kruger, double, stone hunter, the association's mother/sister
11- Rinne Ordoble, double, gourmet hunter
12- Sanpika Norton, single, virus hunter
13- Bushidora Anpishasu, single, blacklist hunter
14- Luppe Highrand, lost hunter (i wonder what that means! maybe he's a vagabond!)
15- Cutie Beauty, single, hunter of beautiful things
16- Ging Freecks, double, hunter of lost sites

A brief and fast summary of the spoil by saverne:


Killua sees the results of the elections online, Leolio included. Irumi makes a phone call to Gotô. Amane is afraid of Irumi. Kirua thinks that Irumi wants to kill Aruka. Irumi attacks their car with another one controlled by his needles, the car falls over a precipice. I think that Hisoka wants Gon to be saved. Tsubone is Amane's grandmother. In short, the action begins between both sides (thus Aruka being in Killua's arms).

[Jack Van Burace]

Paristown Hero, triple hunter. Nice name. Suits him a lot. I must insist Togashi probably wanted to name him after Paris city (Paristown), since Cheadle Yorkshire seems like british (Britain and France eternal rivalry).

And I suppose this intervention by Illumi might end-up killing Tsubome. She's Amane's grandmother, so she might sacrifice herself in order to save them all (and make Killua even angryer towards Illumi). It would also fit the plot a lot, as Killua's wish for leaving the Zoldycks would have been payed with her death, and Killua would once again be able to make wishes.

[Shamy]

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[Flex151285]

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-5406.html
Can someone translate this into Eng? Hiatus?

[nfinitfx]

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-5406.html
Can someone translate this into Eng? Hiatus?

No- this was posted November 2010... please read the date.

[zelllogan]

Number 15 ... there is nothing cute about this lolipop gnome.
Almost all candidates are seriously ugly.

[Federicoxxx]

im lost here...how number 11.. are 2 different people?
that ugly granny and the masked..gurl/dude?

also with number 13?...

maybe...is because 2 people tied with the votes?...
yes have 2 be that..

also where is number 12? sanpika.. virus hunter?

[Raad]

About Ikkshonpe, the masked guy with the number six, I think he/she's a kid, since he/she's a hacker hunter, I figured Togashi got inspired by some of the young hackers we hear about once in a while.

[Phantron]

Pariston's name is Pariston Hill... it should be obvious who this refers to.

Leorio's last night is probably Partynight... hard to guess what Togashi is thinking of though.

Notable descriptions on each candidate:

Chidol - Brain of the Zodiac. Wishes to eliminate all loophles
Leorio - Superstar that punched Gin in the face
Dragon - Closest man to Chairman in terms of fame and accomplishment
Ox - Conscience of the Zodiac. Acknowledged as a man who possess common sense even by the anti-Netero faction.
Morel - His contribution in the Ants arc may promote him to a 3-star Hunter.
Cutie - Pariston's #1 fan.
Gin - Homeless of the Zodiac. Did he get votes out of pity?

In the Killua arc, Amane is Tsubone's granddaughter.

Silva believes Alluka's power is an asset so he sent Amane and Tsubone along to help. Ilumi, obviously, wants Alluka dead. When Zs have conflicting agendas it's basically a FFA situation. Ilumi called Killua saying how he's going all out, and Killua says he was looking for revenge anyway.

Ilumi controlled a truck and have it ram into Killua's limo and knocked it off a cliff. Killua can't do much about it because if he leaves Alluka more than 1m then the 2 butlers from Silva will turn against him (because that'd violate the conditions).

Ilumi was going over his plan with Hisoka and Hisoka said maybe he should just kill Killua. Ilumi said he'd kill Hisoka right now and Hisoka said that was a joke, but his anger made Killua realized where Ilumi is.

At the end it shows Killua going into lightning form.

[Ero-Sanji]

I frickin love Illumi and Hisoka.
Hisoka for being a total cold-blooded killer with no sense of empathy at all. Seriously what happened to him as a child?
Illumi for being maaaadly obsessed with securing his family's future, going ape-shit for the sake of Killua the heir. Love these two!

It's amazing how he's keeping these two arcs in constant tension and for keeping them interesting.

When it comes to the candidates, only Pariston, Cheadle and Batobai are the only tripple hunters. This is most definitely not in terms of power since Ging is a double and Hisoka and Illumi are probable the same as Gon. However this does prove that Pariston is heavily involved with Hunter's Association matters and that he's quite good at fulfilling the requests he's given. This comes as a surprise for me since I thought he talked his way into his position and obviously because Netero chose the one whose the least like him.

[Freecs]

Pariston's name is Pariston Hill... it should be obvious who this refers to.

Leorio's last night is probably Partynight... hard to guess what Togashi is thinking of though.

Notable descriptions on each candidate:

Chidol - Brain of the Zodiac. Wishes to eliminate all loophles
Leorio - Superstar that punched Gin in the face
Dragon - Closest man to Chairman in terms of fame and accomplishment
Ox - Conscience of the Zodiac. Acknowledged as a man who possess common sense even by the anti-Netero faction.
Morel - His contribution in the Ants arc may promote him to a 3-star Hunter.
Cutie - Pariston's #1 fan.
Gin - Homeless of the Zodiac. Did he get votes out of pity?

In the Killua arc, Amane is Tsubone's granddaughter.

Silva believes Alluka's power is an asset so he sent Amane and Tsubone along to help. Ilumi, obviously, wants Alluka dead. When Zs have conflicting agendas it's basically a FFA situation. Ilumi called Killua saying how he's going all out, and Killua says he was looking for revenge anyway.

Ilumi controlled a truck and have it ram into Killua's limo and knocked it off a cliff. Killua can't do much about it because if he leaves Alluka more than 1m then the 2 butlers from Silva will turn against him (because that'd violate the conditions).

Ilumi was going over his plan with Hisoka and Hisoka said maybe he should just kill Killua. Ilumi said he'd kill Hisoka right now and Hisoka said that was a joke, but his anger made Killua realized where Ilumi is.

At the end it shows Killua going into lightning form.

What does FFA stand for?

[THM Nindo]

What does FFA stand for?

Free-for-all, I guess...

[Phantron]

I frickin love Illumi and Hisoka.
Hisoka for being a total cold-blooded killer with no sense of empathy at all. Seriously what happened to him as a child?
Illumi for being maaaadly obsessed with securing his family's future, going ape-shit for the sake of Killua the heir. Love these two!

It's amazing how he's keeping these two arcs in constant tension and for keeping them interesting.

When it comes to the candidates, only Pariston, Cheadle and Batobai are the only tripple hunters. This is most definitely not in terms of power since Ging is a double and Hisoka and Illumi are probable the same as Gon. However this does prove that Pariston is heavily involved with Hunter's Association matters and that he's quite good at fulfilling the requests he's given. This comes as a surprise for me since I thought he talked his way into his position and obviously because Netero chose the one whose the least like him.

Why would Hisoka be as strong as Gin? Just because he want to challenge him? A lot of weak guys challenged Hisoka too.

Gin is the only person with a title of 'top 5 aura user of the world' in all the characters right now. Not counting any newish characters, if anybody is supposed to be on par with him they'd similarly have a 'top 5 aura user of the world' title as well. Yes that doesn't mean they can't fight him or even beat him if things go their way but the 'top 5' is clearly meant to be a tier above the rest, and only Gin is in that category so far. It sure looks like Batobai can be one though.

Morel is meant to be a triple star class Hunter. It says that on his profile, unless you think Togashi just put the blurb there for fun. That'd also mean Kanzai is way over his head when he said, "Morel and Novu are weak", assuming he's not a triple class (even Gin got in and he has no popularity at all), though the comment from Batobai is still appropriate since he is the most accomplished of all Hunters.

Ilumi's not obsessed with the family's future. He's only obsessed with Killua.

[Uriel]

Damn it all, Teradin looks awful. And I had hopes for him since his name was cool T_T But oh well, I do know now what poll I'll do :P

[Phantron]

As an aside all the candidate description is pretty much the author directly narrating since it reveals stuff no reader can possibly figure out (e.g. Morel is likely to become a triple star Hunter for his contribution in the Ant arc). It says Gin may have got his votes from pity, so if there's an act there, it's Gin faking to get hit to win sympathy for himself. HXH isn't something you're supposed to think you're smarter than the author, and it's saying we have no reason to believe Gin getting hit was done to help Leorio at this point.

If you think about it, it was pretty hard for Gin to get into even the second round given his past voting history and lack of popularity. I really don't see how it'd be possible if he always had the votes but just told people to not vote for him in the 2nd and 3rd election, because that'd mean he somehow knew those rounds were going to fail ahead of time, and it's not like Pariston ever took him seriously anyway so even if he faked all that, it'd still be pointless.

[Foreva]

I loled at Cutie being Pariston's no1 fan :D. Gosh, this girl IS ugly, just as I thought when I first saw her name. When Togashi tells you person A looks awesome without any visual evidence, chances are she'll turn out to be the opposite of it. And Cheadle's last name Yorkshire is cool, and fits in with her appearance; I've always thought she's from a conservative, old-fashioned country.

[Phantron]

I loled at Cutie being Pariston's no1 fan :D. Gosh, this girl IS ugly, just as I thought when I first saw her name. When Togashi tells you person A looks awesome without any visual evidence, chances are she'll turn out to be the opposite of it. And Cheadle's last name Yorkshire is cool, and fits in with her appearance; I've always thought she's from a conservative, old-fashioned country.

Chidol's last name is supposed to be related to dogs in some way but I don't know enough about dogs to know why.

The term used to describe Cutie is technically something more like "Pariston's obsessed follower" but I figure #1 fan is more descriptive. Cutie's goal is to have a Hunter's Association filled with cute and beautiful things.

[Jack Van Burace]

Pariston's name is Pariston Hill... it should be obvious who this refers to.

You mean Paris Hillton? I thought it was be Hiro, not Hiru. Hiru sounds more like Hill, indeed. Hiro has the same sound as Hero. It fits his pose as good guy, you know, knight in shiny armor... But yeah, one letter does change a lot.

Paradinaito could be a lot of things. I remember back on Bleach, revelation of the Espadas' names, and the trouble everyone had to figure out their names' real romaji. But it does end with a mute T and 'ai' is the english sound of 'i', so it is '...night'. 'Paradi...' on the other hand cannot be so certain, but your suggestion seems very reasonable.

[Phantron]

You mean Paris Hillton? I thought it was be Hiro, not Hiru. Hiru sounds more like Hill, indeed. Hiro has the same sound as Hero. It fits his pose as good guy, you know, knight in shiny armor... But yeah, one letter does change a lot.

Paradinaito could be a lot of things. I remember back on Bleach, revelation of the Espadas' names, and the trouble everyone had to figure out their names' real romaji. But it does end with a mute T and 'ai' is the english sound of 'i', so it is '...night'. 'Paradi...' on the other hand cannot be so certain, but your suggestion seems very reasonable.

Pariston is ﾊﾟﾘｽﾄﾝ＝ﾋﾙ

Hilton translates to 'ヒルトン' from Google Translate.

For Leorio, it's not the exact spelling for 'party' but it's close enough. Of course it could just be random syllables too. Night can be Knight too.

---------- Post added at 01:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:47 PM ----------

Here's the platform/slogan the candidates run on. Not all of them have a slogan/platform.

Pariston - A better, gentler Hunter's Association.
Chidol - (I will) eliminate all loopholes.
Teradin - Reform the Hunter Exam
Morel - Experienced in dealing with (deadly) foreign species.
Some guy - Reform the Hunter's Bill of Rights.
Cutie - A cute and beautiful Hunter's Association

[Ero-Sanji]

Why would Hisoka be as strong as Gin? Just because he want to challenge him? A lot of weak guys challenged Hisoka too.

Gin is the only person with a title of 'top 5 aura user of the world' in all the characters right now. Not counting any newish characters, if anybody is supposed to be on par with him they'd similarly have a 'top 5 aura user of the world' title as well. Yes that doesn't mean they can't fight him or even beat him if things go their way but the 'top 5' is clearly meant to be a tier above the rest, and only Gin is in that category so far. It sure looks like Batobai can be one though.

Morel is meant to be a triple star class Hunter. It says that on his profile, unless you think Togashi just put the blurb there for fun. That'd also mean Kanzai is way over his head when he said, "Morel and Novu are weak", assuming he's not a triple class (even Gin got in and he has no popularity at all), though the comment from Batobai is still appropriate since he is the most accomplished of all Hunters.

Ilumi's not obsessed with the family's future. He's only obsessed with Killua.

Read and think, read again if not sure and then think again, when you're finished, you should reply.

First of all, I never said that Hisoka was as strong as Ging, but that Hisoka who is most definitely a power-house should have been a triple or at least a double if those titles were in terms of power and that also applies to Illumi, no doubt.

Now, I don't know why you included Morel, but sure lets discuss that as well. According to the information above, Morel is a single hunter, now this info could be wrong, but it's everything I've got to go with for the time being. Anyway, this further proves my statement that the titles: "Single", "Double" and "Triple" are not signs of power as in strength or ability, instead they are signs of achievement.

Lastly: "Illumi's not obsessesd with the family's future. He's only obsessed with Killua."
Again, read, think and then write, stop acting impulsively and reflect...!
And Killua is what exactly? An heir is the future of a clan, family, dynasty etcetera. Killua is the future! Why do you think Silva is so worried about him wondering the world alone, why do you think the family is disappointed at him for not being a true assassin at heart? Because he's the future of the family, the Zoldyck name. They can't afford it with an empathic heir, hence the needle and the imprisonment. Also, to tie it with your statement, Illumi is ready to kill his own sister, not only for the sake of Killua but for the whole family. If you don't believe me go read through the chapter where he discusses the matter with Hisoka.

[roggie]

I thougth Leorio could be Paladin Knight

[Host Samurai]

Togashi is on a serious roll right now, he delivers awesome chapter per week..

Leorio Paradinight??? Hmm...if you replace the letter 'r' with a 'l' then, Leorio's name sounds even more awesome. Leorio's name would be then Paladin(k)night!!! I don't think that's a coicidence Togashi sure loves RPG games lol. :Haha And his last name may also hint that Leorio will have a fighting style similar to that of a Paladin^^

Illumi gave me the creeps, he reminded of the girl from the Ring movie. Did anyone also notice it?

[Phantron]

Read and think, read again if not sure and then think again, when you're finished, you should reply.

First of all, I never said that Hisoka was as strong as Ging, but that Hisoka who is most definitely a power-house should have been a triple or at least a double if those titles were in terms of power and that also applies to Illumi, no doubt.

Now, I don't know why you included Morel, but sure lets discuss that as well. According to the information above, Morel is a single hunter, now this info could be wrong, but it's everything I've got to go with for the time being. Anyway, this further proves my statement that the titles: "Single", "Double" and "Triple" are not signs of power as in strength or ability, instead they are signs of achievement.

Lastly: "Illumi's not obsessesd with the family's future. He's only obsessed with Killua."
Again, read, think and then write, stop acting impulsively and reflect...!
And Killua is what exactly? An heir is the future of a clan, family, dynasty etcetera. Killua is the future! Why do you think Silva is so worried about him wondering the world alone, why do you think the family is disappointed at him for not being a true assassin at heart? Because he's the future of the family, the Zoldyck name. They can't afford it with an empathic heir, hence the needle and the imprisonment. Also, to tie it with your statement, Illumi is ready to kill his own sister, not only for the sake of Killua but for the whole family. If you don't believe me go read through the chapter where he discusses the matter with Hisoka.

The jump between double and triple star is huge. There are at most 10 triple star Hunter in the world and not all of them got there due to combat achievements. But since neither Hisoka nor Ilumi would get there by noncombat achievement to begin with that means it's even more selective than 'toop 10 in association'. Biscuet is only a double star and her base power is almost certainly higher than either of those characters. Hisoka and Illumi may be able to get a double star if they spend all their time actually doing things considered useful to the association but there's no way triple star is within reach. The only two Hunter we know that got there by mostly combat achievements are Gin (didn't apply) and Babotai (the most accomplished of all Hunters). I mean seriously, the Hunters as an organization by far the most powerful organization in the story, and you're acting like any random quasi-cool guy can get to a rank that perhaps only 5 guys held due to a virtue of their strength (Chidol and Pariston really don't look like they got their by combat prowess, and that's half of the confirmed 3 stars class Hunters).

Morel is a single star and it says it is likely he'll be promoted to triple star in the Ant arc, for what's obviously a combat achievement. Presumably likely just means 'may or may not happen before this arc ends' since otherwise this information isn't useful to anybody.

Last time I checked Silva is still the one in charge of the family and he's decided that Alluka is a valuable asset and he trusts Killua will be able to do what he says. Ilumi's obsession goes far beyond just what's 'good for the family'. He believes Killua looks up to him which is something literally everyone besides himself knows is not true.

[Federicoxxx]

i see....this stars thingie.. is kind of fun...

1-stars r not bind by fighting capabilitys....
it could be tons of different subjects..from treasure hunter
archeology ...even cute things lol..

2- i guess many many characters on the HxH world r more than qualified to..be at least 2 stars..
did they care?..no...even when they can... they dont care..for different reasons...

Hisoka...is an example...he is so powerful...the world..is becoming bored for him....
he dont care a d*** about stars and hunter association...only if it help HIM find powerful opponents..
and ..we know..this search is so important for him...it let his preys grow and evolve Like GON
or even Help thems..to overcome obstacles.. like triying to help Kuroro.. just 4 the pleasure of a fight to the death with him

i can say..if .Gon..was fighting Hisoka.. instead of Pitou.. in that powerful.. mode.
Hisoka...words will be...

"Yesss....the fruit finally Mature".. (and he will have a HUGE BONER)

i m guessing.. but he could be.. a 2 stars.. easily just for fighting capabilitys...

it must be a pain so hard to endure.. being SO POWERFUL..
and know very few people...who´s able to provide you with
a worthy fight..at your maximum power.....

if he realize.. Alluka can easily heal Gon..
one of his most precious...preys...

and illumi want to Kill alluka...
we have..a big conflict of interests.....

Illumi vs Hisoka in future chaps anyone?
or maybe not a VS...
but Hisoka helping Alluka and Killua reaching Gon....is a possibility

[Phantron]

Hisoka purposely provoked Ilumi so Killua would know where they are. He also said 'more toys are better' so yeah he's probably on Gon's side seeing Ilumi seems to be attempting to kill Alluka before she even got to Gon.

It's said that llumi has a secret informant that told him Killua was hiding the rules. I'm curious as to who could that be. It seems like it can only be Gotoh or Canary since the rest won't even know additional rules exist. Unless the informant is Miluki who has figured out more rules but didn't tell his father everything?

[Federicoxxx]

Hisoka purposely provoked Ilumi so Killua would know where they are. He also said 'more toys are better' so yeah he's probably on Gon's side seeing Ilumi seems to be attempting to kill Alluka before she even got to Gon.

It's said that llumi has a secret informant that told him Killua was hiding the rules. I'm curious as to who could that be. It seems like it can only be Gotoh or Canary since the rest won't even know additional rules exist. Unless the informant is Miluki who has figured out more rules but didn't tell his father everything?

haha yes Hisoka is so good Provoking people...illumi look sooo pissed..
is the most scary form i been seen from him so far...just look at that creepy face..
it look like the girl from the ring.....sadako ?

he is not joke 4 sure....


fucktrip already BEGUN....!..
lol they r not even close to Hxh HQ and...hell is broken loose..

we have trip adventure for..a while.. i would say..

[Phantron]

There's a chart showing the relationship of the Zs in part 326, and it says Kalluto is jealous of Alluka.

So that'd mean 'rescue brother' way back really means rescue Killua, as in 'rescue him from any competing guys/girls'.

Maha is uninvolved in family affairs.

Zeno, Silva, and Ilumi have a FFA type relationship. Seems to imply whoever is most capable at the moment gets his way.

Tsubone and Amane are from Silva's side, while Canary and Gotoh are from Zeno's side.

When Hisoka talks about the toys it shows a picture of EVERY powerful character in HXH, ranging from Hanzo to Silva to Gin. I think he's going to bite off way more than he can chew, though.

[Shamy]

Full raw out on MangaHead http://mangahead.com/Manga-Raw-Scan/Hunter-x-Hunter/Hunter-x-Hunter-326-Raw-Scan

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1844/earlysnail01.jpg (http://mangahead.com/)

[Phantron]

When Silva said "Don't think of him as family", him also refers to Ilumi (because the Zs aren't supposed to be killing other family members).

Looks like Leorio PaladinKnight is the most popular interpretation of his name.

Killua was impressed by Leorio's actions (saw it on recording), said it was probably an Emission ability and that it takes guts to use your ability in front of basically every Hunter in the organization.

Paris Hilton owns a Yorkshire terrier (Pariston Hill and Chidol Yorkshire).

Ilumi attacked early because a secret informant told him there are hidden rules. Ilumi realized that given Alluka's abilty, it's pretty much impossible to plan around any unknown ability Alluka may have so better kill her now then later.

Edit: Read it again and 'him' still refers to Alluka. Silva is implying that Ilumi will kill Alluka because Alluka is not considered a family member.

[•Sasuke•]

Full ch scan here
http://animeprodestiny.forumcommunity.net/?t=37822471 last post

[Federicoxxx]

hahahaha poor Maha is completly ALONE in the relationship.. map!!!!

WTF with that? ...

they say Alluka..is not considered a family member..
but even she.. have more lines/relantionship..than him xd

whats goin ol..with the poor old man Maha?

dont tell me.. he dies...cause ..it would be a terrible letdown..

[Bomber D Rufi]

Reading the chapter itself, I'm amazed at how great this arc is becoming. I really don't want a hiatus now.

Basically though, Killua figures out that Illumi wants Alluka dead because of Silva's words of 'not thinking of that as family'. I'd go into more, but Phanatron has pretty much nailed most points. The end of the chapter seems to indicate that the maid, Amane is also Killua's enemy, or at least it's what he says...

Amane is trying to convince Killua that the Z family is not the enemy, and goes to state, Zeno and Silva by name. She says they're only looking out for Killua, along with her grandma Ubone. Killua turns and says to her that anyone who does not refer to Alluka by name is indeed his enemy. This seems to go with what Silva and Illumi are saying about not including Alluka....oh and Killua does state that he wants to save Gon and free his sister, so his ambition isn't limited to one or the other specifically.

Some good lines were Illumi asking if Killua took the pin out, and Killua replying that he did and he feels much better. Also him telling Alluka to 'leave things to big brother', and keep her eyes shut.

All in all, HXH is unequivocally the most interesting manga in Jump right now. Forget voting for Leorio, lets vote for at least 10 more weeks in office for President Togashi~

[Phantron]

hahahaha poor Maha is completly ALONE in the relationship.. map!!!!

WTF with that? ...

they say Alluka..is not considered a family member..
but even she.. have more lines/relantionship..than him xd

whats goin ol..with the poor old man Maha?

dont tell me.. he dies...cause ..it would be a terrible letdown..

Maha is uninvolved in Z family politics.

The Zs aren't supposed to kill their own family members, but Silva said 'don't think of Alluka as family', which is a hint to Killua that Ilumi would kill Alluka.

That said, the rule 'Z can't kill each other' sure is easy to circumvent as long as you just think of the guy as not part of the family.

[Negative Syndicate]

I wonder how long this 'Inner Mission' going to take. Whether until Alluka saves Gon or Killua has to protect her until he defeats/kills Illumi (since Killua said he wants Alluka to be free and Illumi doesn't want that to happen)?

[Uriel]

Silly prediction: Maybe Alluka and Kaito will become friends since they're both someone who identifies with a different gender. :O

[Phantron]

I wonder how long this 'Inner Mission' going to take. Whether until Alluka saves Gon or Killua has to protect her until he defeats/kills Illumi (since Killua said he wants Alluka to be free and Illumi doesn't want that to happen)?

I think the fight has to end very fast because Killua is carrying Alluka on his back and it'd really make no sense whatsoever if you can have an extended fight in a condition like that. Either he defeats Ilumi very quickly, the other way around, or someone else intervenes the fight.

[Foreva]

Things don't look so well for the servants b/c Hisoka is after them. I hope none of them gets killed, specially Gotoh. I guess we'll get to see the old lady vs Hisoka next chapter.

[Reach]

I think that Hisoka is both a deterrence and is actually helping Killua to save Gon. Moreover, his goal, most of the time, seems to be fighting strong opponents. Tsubone is definitely a strong nen user, and paired with Abane, would be probably difficult for him. Canaria and Gotoh seem to know nen well enough too. If you compare everyone's safe escape against the manipulated truck (drivers), and that scene with the Ryodan vs Injyuu (fun fun cloth and the car with a bunch of Ryodan members), the butlers appear to operate in a Ryodan level, or even higher than that.

[mrsticky005]

Is it just me or does the artwork look like it will be particularly good this chapter.

Though I'm glad we're getting to some good action. :D

Wonder if the Butlers are going to die protecting Killua?

[Ruhina]

I like how Illumi went "Palm" and got all scary. Unfortunately for him, after crapping my pants thrice with Alluka, Illumi feels as threatening as a hamster right now.

[Negative Syndicate]

I think Hisoka can be double-edged sword to Illumi; Hisoka may help on Illumi's assasination to Alluka, but he might also help Killua indirectly.

[Uriel]

I think Hisoka can be double-edged sword to Illumi; Hisoka may help on Illumi's assasination to Alluka, but he might also help Killua indirectly.
I think that He will help Killua until Gon is fine. Then He just wont care at all. Which is something quite interesting, since it was Killua who hold most of his attention at Hunter Exam.

[Phantron]

Hisoka says it'd be nice if Gon survived and he stressed the IF part. I don't think he wants to fight Ilumi to the death because even as expeirenced as he is, persumably every major Z is more trained in the art of killing compared to him. While he's almost certainly stronger as a function of power level, none of his techniques are very effective at scoring a quick kill, whereas the Zs pretty much spend their whole life learning how to kill people quickly. Hisoka wants to fight strong people but he also doesn't want the next fight to be his last.

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I think that He will help Killua until Gon is fine. Then He just doesn't care a lot. Which is something quite interesting, since it was Killua who hold most of his attention at Hunter Exam.

Hisoka said he was more interested in Gon during the interview with Netero, even though he thinks both have similar potentials.

I don't think he'd want to fight Ilumi at this point either so I doubt he'll help directly. It'd probably be something like "Whoa those butlers are way tougher than I thought!" which would indirectly make the fight a lot harder for Ilumi, since Ilumi was counting on Hisoka to take out the butlers.

[Uriel]

Hisoka said he was more interested in Gon during the interview with Netero, even though he thinks both have similar potentials.
I don't think he'd want to fight Ilumi at this point either so I doubt he'll help directly. It'd probably be something like "Whoa those butlers are way tougher than I thought!" which would indirectly make the fight a lot harder for Ilumi, since Ilumi was counting on Hisoka to take out the butlers.
I double checked before posting that. It's Killua. See? (http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter32/153121-15.html)

And He wants to fight everyone all the time, I think that much is clear. So as long as He has interesting opponents it's fine. Either that is Tsubone, Amane or Illumi.

[Lestat]

Did Illumi threaten Hisoka on one of that pages?

[Phantron]

Did Illumi threaten Hisoka on one of that pages?

Hisoka asked if he can kill Killua. Ilumi asked Hisoka if he wanted to die right now. That was a ploy by Hisoka so Killua would know where Ilumi is from his killing intent.

[IamJacky]

The Z family tree is awesome, tells a lot about the Zolydicks in one single panel. Maha was labeled as "basically no interaction" (lol look at his chill face).


Hisoka says it'd be nice if Gon survived and he stressed the IF part. I don't think he wants to fight Ilumi to the death because even as expeirenced as he is, persumably every major Z is more trained in the art of killing compared to him. While he's almost certainly stronger as a function of power level, none of his techniques are very effective at scoring a quick kill, whereas the Zs pretty much spend their whole life learning how to kill people quickly. Hisoka wants to fight strong people but he also doesn't want the next fight to be his last.

Hisoka and Illumi make an interesting team, I'm really digging their vibes. I don't think Hisoka considers any fight to be his "last" if he's interested in fighting anybody. He always thinks he's the best and will try his best in fighting any opponent. I don't think Hisoka is interested in fighting Illumi though he definitely considers Illumi to be a worthy opponent. I think one of the reasons why he doesn't want to fight Illumi is because he considers Illumi somehow useful in attracting more actions/toys that he can engage himself with - that's why he was asking Illumi to be his agent from a few chapters back. In a way I look at their relationship like a great boxer who loves to fight good fighters (Hisoka) who knows another great boxer who now is a coach/agent who takes contract boxing sessions (Illumi) - uh, yeah a bit far fetched but that's how I look at it.

That threat/interaction between Illumi and Hisoka was a really nice moment, it's hard to describe the feeling but it's like they both have this mutual respect for each other but there're also these boundaries that you just can't cross or else all courtesy's out the window.

Anyways, awesome chapter like every other one, it's only going to get better. Really have to applaud Togashi's creativity, how the hell do you come up with such intense and interesting story lines every week? I'm starting to suspect that he came up with all these refined ideas and concepts during his hiatus (not all the time but rather spare time, and when he felt ready he came back).

[Federicoxxx]

The Z family tree is awesome, tells a lot about the Zolydicks in one single panel. Maha was labeled as "basically no interaction" (lol look at his chill face).

hahaahaa yess.. i tought the same!!

he is just beyond awesome...

he indeed carried missions ..as any Zs --like in the 10 dons mission..

however probably he doesnt speak, neither care for anybody there.. he just "exists"

i feel..the Ancient Zs is the most cold of all the Zs... in matters of relationships.

i just cant wait..2 know more about him...and if Togashi..allow it..a flashback..

between him and netero.. on their youngers days...now that would be beyond awesome..

this chapter was increidble...and i predict..the next one.. illumi relationship with Hisoka...

will be downhills.. from now on... neither both of thems like to be f*** around with the things they love..

illumi.. with killua.. and hisoka with Gon...

[Phantron]

The Z family tree is awesome, tells a lot about the Zolydicks in one single panel. Maha was labeled as "basically no interaction" (lol look at his chill face).



Hisoka and Illumi make an interesting team, I'm really digging their vibes. I don't think Hisoka considers any fight to be his "last" if he's interested in fighting anybody. He always thinks he's the best and will try his best in fighting any opponent. I don't think Hisoka is interested in fighting Illumi though he definitely considers Illumi to be a worthy opponent. I think one of the reasons why he doesn't want to fight Illumi is because he considers Illumi somehow useful in attracting more actions/toys that he can engage himself with - that's why he was asking Illumi to be his agent from a few chapters back. In a way I look at their relationship like a great boxer who loves to fight good fighters (Hisoka) who knows another great boxer who now is a coach/agent who takes contract boxing sessions (Illumi) - uh, yeah a bit far fetched but that's how I look at it.

That threat/interaction between Illumi and Hisoka was a really nice moment, it's hard to describe the feeling but it's like they both have this mutual respect for each other but there're also these boundaries that you just can't cross or else all courtesy's out the window.

Anyways, awesome chapter like every other one, it's only going to get better. Really have to applaud Togashi's creativity, how the hell do you come up with such intense and interesting story lines every week? I'm starting to suspect that he came up with all these refined ideas and concepts during his hiatus (not all the time but rather spare time, and when he felt ready he came back).

I mean 'last fight' for Hisoka as in if he let Killua fail the pestering then whatever fight he was looking for would've been his last so in that sense it's not worth it for him to take that kind of risk even if it's for Gon. He said he'd rather Gon recover but he's not going to risk certain death for it (Alluka's ability is clearly certain death even for him).

Ilumi and Hisoka seems to be a relationship of mutual backstabbing, but since both are smart they know not to backstab each other needlessly because it'd hurt both of them.

[lobo971]

love the Isoka /Illumi relationship too...
I see it in a simplier way: they are both killers, looking for preys
Hisoka is maybe more the tiger type as he likes to play with his preys before eating them ;)
Illumi is more of the wolf type, watching over his wolfpack and hunting for food
Anyways, as killers on the top of the food chain, they dont mind helping each over , and they are not interrested in fighting each other as well, well.. as long as they dont have arguments around specific preys i suppose ;)

[Bomber D Rufi]

Hisoka says it'd be nice if Gon survived and he stressed the IF part. I don't think he wants to fight Ilumi to the death because even as expeirenced as he is, persumably every major Z is more trained in the art of killing compared to him. While he's almost certainly stronger as a function of power level, none of his techniques are very effective at scoring a quick kill, whereas the Zs pretty much spend their whole life learning how to kill people quickly. Hisoka wants to fight strong people but he also doesn't want the next fight to be his last.

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Hisoka said he was more interested in Gon during the interview with Netero, even though he thinks both have similar potentials.

I don't think he'd want to fight Ilumi at this point either so I doubt he'll help directly. It'd probably be something like "Whoa those butlers are way tougher than I thought!" which would indirectly make the fight a lot harder for Ilumi, since Ilumi was counting on Hisoka to take out the butlers.

This. QFT.

Hisoka's not as obsessed with Gon as Illumi seems to be with Killua. In fact it seems his interest in Gon has sorta dropped a bit since they first initally met. I feel like the Hisoka from the earlier part of the series might have been more gung ho in hopping in to save Gon. Though as Phantron has said, it may just be that he doesn't want to screw with Illumi. The same sorta thing happened when Gon was pestering Illumi after the Hunter exam about where Killua is. Illumi was gonna kill Gon until Hisoka gave him a 'Don't make me come over there' face, and he stopped.

Though, at least Hisoka's reason (as twisted as it may be) for wanting Gon alive makes sense. Other than being his family member, why does Illumi seem so dead set on making Killua similar to him? It should be obvious by now that Killua has no interest in being a Z family member if it means killing, yet the mere mention of taking his life from Hisoka turns Illumi from an emotionless shell to ragehate mode. It's intriguing to say the least.

[erhanboran]

This. QFT.

Hisoka's not as obsessed with Gon as Illumi seems to be with Killua. In fact it seems his interest in Gon has sorta dropped a bit since they first initally met. I feel like the Hisoka from the earlier part of the series might have been more gung ho in hopping in to save Gon. Though as Phantron has said, it may just be that he doesn't want to screw with Illumi. The same sorta thing happened when Gon was pestering Illumi after the Hunter exam about where Killua is. Illumi was gonna kill Gon until Hisoka gave him a 'Don't make me come over there' face, and he stopped.

Though, at least Hisoka's reason (as twisted as it may be) for wanting Gon alive makes sense. Other than being his family member, why does Illumi seem so dead set on making Killua similar to him? It should be obvious by now that Killua has no interest in being a Z family member if it means killing, yet the mere mention of taking his life from Hisoka turns Illumi from an emotionless shell to ragehate mode. It's intriguing to say the least.

Isnt it obvious Killua is most important to the Zs cuz he is the heir (or atleast thats what they beliv). And has anyone noticed that Killua + Silva + Zeno looks alike while the other sons + Kikyo are alike, not just in their appearances? I would say the way Illumi treats Killua is basically the same as Kikyo's. Now I dont even want to try to understand where that twisted love comes from -__-. Thats one of the Zs' charm points lol.

As for Hisoka, Im voting for the idea that by some twisted events, he wont get to fight with any1 he wants at all, ever, not Kuroro, not Killua, not even Gon :)).

[Phantron]

This. QFT.

Hisoka's not as obsessed with Gon as Illumi seems to be with Killua. In fact it seems his interest in Gon has sorta dropped a bit since they first initally met. I feel like the Hisoka from the earlier part of the series might have been more gung ho in hopping in to save Gon. Though as Phantron has said, it may just be that he doesn't want to screw with Illumi. The same sorta thing happened when Gon was pestering Illumi after the Hunter exam about where Killua is. Illumi was gonna kill Gon until Hisoka gave him a 'Don't make me come over there' face, and he stopped.

Though, at least Hisoka's reason (as twisted as it may be) for wanting Gon alive makes sense. Other than being his family member, why does Illumi seem so dead set on making Killua similar to him? It should be obvious by now that Killua has no interest in being a Z family member if it means killing, yet the mere mention of taking his life from Hisoka turns Illumi from an emotionless shell to ragehate mode. It's intriguing to say the least.

Well I think both of them sort of have a mutual understanding that they can backstab each other as long as it's not too obvious. After all when Hisoka asked for Ilumi's help, Ilumi said he still got to pay, so it's definitely a relationship based on benefits as opposed to trust. I really doubt Ilumi can't figure out that Hisoka is trying to mess him up but as long as he doesn't openly get in the way or try to kill Killua, Ilumi's not going to risk fighting him either. The reverse is probably true for Hisoka too. Fighting Ilumi to the death would definitely be very dangerous and he's facing someone who arguably has more experience in killing people than he does.

[Tombadgerlock]

I LOL'd at Biscuit's caption.

[Uriel]

I'm happy with the descriptions and more with the characters. I'm glad I had a good instinct about Teradin as well, since it seems the right guy in my eyes. Ging pose in the presentation makes him EVEN MORE epic than what He is.
I'm interested also on Lupe, since He could be the leading hint to what Pariston did. It maybe either an ally or a dangerous foe.

...See? Leorio WAS emission. Killua said first Intensification but that was a wild guess from him and now everything is rectified. :D

And the diagram of relation brings up an interesting situation. Remember Kalluto goal? To bring him back? It's clear it's not Alluka, it's also clear that it's not Killua since there is absolutely no line between them. So there is a sixth brother that we don't know? The one in the pic in the background? I know that not every relationship is shown, but it's a starting point.

Killua deduction power is lovely <3
Illumi is plain AWESOME. "I'm going to begin" and then throw two fucking cars out of nowhere. And the pose with Hisoka is just outstanding. Crazy bitch face is epic as well. And...OH HISOKA! You lovely bastard! That ploy was brilliant.

...It's incredible how Togashi can pull such intense chapter. Once again, best SJ offers this week.

PS: Zoldycks are ninjas O_O

[devilitachi]

Kalluto meant alluka. The line ''envies'' ?? Isn't that clear enough? Kalluto just doesn't know that alluka is in the hands of the Z's.

[Uriel]

kulugo voted for everyone? :/ WTF? Please come to the light and post an explanation. >:(

Kalluto meant alluka. The line ''envies'' ?? Isn't that clear enough? Kalluto just doesn't know that alluka is in the hands of the Z's.
You don't save someone you envy. Like, NEVER.

[LoS]

Okay, quite simply a downright amazing chapter. Transitioned from the election to this gritty and complex family quarrel extremely well.

I do have some questions/bits of confusion though:


For Botobai, what does the "in name and ability closest to being Chairman" mean? I figured this would draw up much discussion anyway, since people love to get into power level discussions all the time.

Ickshonpay is a "member of the digital world", what does that mean? Is he like never physically present, or just the top hacker and always on the computer? Also, what does it mean that he is still abstaining from voting, I thought there were penalties for doing this?

What's a Sea Hunter, what's a Trouble Hunter?

I wonder if Rinne hasn't been heard speaking in 5 years might allude to her not being alive? Or is it that she has been seen just has been silent?


As someone above pointed out, Lupe could be an interesting character since his goals are connected to the Pariston missing person's conspiracy.

Finding out who informed Illumi about Killua hiding secrets is a big question, very interesting.

Page 18 was so full of lulz for me, just the shapes of the characters heads(Illumi and Hisoka) and then the dolls were humorous. Interesting to note is Gon's beard on the doll. Guess no one is shaving his face while he's in the hospital.

And I know it is unlikely, but Kalluto envying someone might want to find/rescue them since they are getting so much attention from the family he is jealous of that fact and wants to set Alluka free. Pretty unlikely though, since Kalluto didn't even know Alluka was locked away in the compound all this time.

[Federicoxxx]

"Basically untouched"


Maha...who or what are you ?..


thats all i got 2 say...

[Foreva]

Okay, quite simply a downright amazing chapter. Transitioned from the election to this gritty and complex family quarrel extremely well.

I do have some questions/bits of confusion though:


For Botobai, what does the "in name and ability closest to being Chairman" mean? I figured this would draw up much discussion anyway, since people love to get into power level discussions all the time.

Ickshonpay is a "member of the digital world", what does that mean? Is he like never physically present, or just the top hacker and always on the computer? Also, what does it mean that he is still abstaining from voting, I thought there were penalties for doing this?

What's a Sea Hunter, what's a Trouble Hunter?

I wonder if Rinne hasn't been heard speaking in 5 years might allude to her not being alive? Or is it that she has been seen just has been silent?


As someone above pointed out, Lupe could be an interesting character since his goals are connected to the Pariston missing person's conspiracy.

Finding out who informed Illumi about Killua hiding secrets is a big question, very interesting.

Page 18 was so full of lulz for me, just the shapes of the characters heads(Illumi and Hisoka) and then the dolls were humorous. Interesting to note is Gon's beard on the doll. Guess no one is shaving his face while he's in the hospital.

And I know it is unlikely, but Kalluto envying someone might want to find/rescue them since they are getting so much attention from the family he is jealous of that fact and wants to set Alluka free. Pretty unlikely though, since Kalluto didn't even know Alluka was locked away in the compound all this time.
Kalluto is most probably the informant of Illumi because he has the ability to eavesdrop using paper; not to mention that he's been portrayed to have a close relationship with Illumi during the previous arcs. Now that we've been given some more information about the Zoldyck family, I don't think the brother that Kalluto wants to 'bring back' is Alluka; he most likely is Killua! Let's think about it, he's envious of the affection that Killua has for Alluka--a girl, that's why he dresses himself in female clothes. Everything starts to make more sense to me.

[Uriel]

Kalluto is most probably the informant of Illumi because he has the ability to eavesdrop using paper; not to mention that he's been portrayed to have a close relationship with Illumi during the previous arcs. Now that we've been given some more information about the Zoldyck family, I don't think the brother that Kalluto wants to 'bring back' is Alluka; he most likely is Killua! Let's think about it, he's envious of the affection that Killua has for Alluka--a girl, that's why he dresses himself in female clothes. Everything starts to make more sense to me.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Kalluto said that the pic made a zoom in the guy in the background which is NOT killua and it was the one Kalluto was talking about.

For Botobai, what does the "in name and ability closest to being Chairman" mean? I figured this would draw up much discussion anyway, since people love to get into power level discussions all the time.
Probably the one most "alike" of Netero. And probably strong as hell like him.


Ickshonpay is a "member of the digital world", what does that mean? Is he like never physically present, or just the top hacker and always on the computer? Also, what does it mean that he is still abstaining from voting, I thought there were penalties for doing this?
Can be both. I mean, it wouldn't be weird to have an ability to literally "navigate" the digital world. Or He's just a hacker.
And you can abstain but your license would end held.


What's a Sea Hunter, what's a Trouble Hunter?
Wild guess? Morau explores the seas and the other works for Team Rocket xD


I wonder if Rinne hasn't been heard speaking in 5 years might allude to her not being alive? Or is it that she has been seen just has been silent?
I'm more interested into knowing how She is a Gourmet Hunter when Menchi was supposed to be the first one of that class.


"Basically untouched" Maha...who or what are you ?.. thats all i got 2 say...
The only intensification user of the Zoldycks, the only one who survived a battle with Netero.

...Like a boss.

[Foreva]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Kalluto said that the pic made a zoom in the guy in the background which is NOT killua and it was the one Kalluto was talking about.
Nope, when Karuto thought about bringing his brother back, the entire family picture is shown and the panel didn't focus on any specific person (chapter 229). You may have mistaken that panel for the panel where Illumi first tells Hisoka about Alluka in chapter 322 where we get a close-up of Alluka's head from the back.

[Uriel]

Nope, when Karuto thought about bringing his brother back, the entire family picture is shown and the panel didn't focus on any specific person (chapter 229). You may have mistaken that panel for the panel where Illumi first tells Hisoka about Alluka in chapter 322 where we get a close-up of Alluka's head from the back.
Nope, I did not get confused with the chapter you mention. However you're right, it doesn't zoom to anyone. So the diagram now makes sense to me applying what you posted.

Hmmm, I wonder if Kalluto will play as wildcard here.

[mr.danly]

So can we just crown this arc the best of HxH ever? Seriously, so many laughs (Hisoka x Illumi actually had me rolling on the floor), so much epicness, so much INFORMATION! AND we see Leorio being a boss, Kurapika will probably be showing up later on, and Killua's gonna be rolling face. HERE. WE. GO.

[mrsticky005]

Great chapter.

I hope these 16 candidates are in the story more. Because right now they are like...who?
It would be good if their speeches tell a bit about themselves so we get to know them
better. It will be fun when we learn more about those missing Hunters and how Pariston
is involved with that mess. The car scene will look great in the anime. Too bad that will
take a while to get there. But it will be great.

Go Pariston! Win the election and be evil!

[IamJacky]

For Botobai, what does the "in name and ability closest to being Chairman" mean? I figured this would draw up much discussion anyway, since people love to get into power level discussions all the time.

Ickshonpay is a "member of the digital world", what does that mean? Is he like never physically present, or just the top hacker and always on the computer? Also, what does it mean that he is still abstaining from voting, I thought there were penalties for doing this?

What's a Sea Hunter, what's a Trouble Hunter?

I wonder if Rinne hasn't been heard speaking in 5 years might allude to her not being alive? Or is it that she has been seen just has been silent?



1. It means that in terms of reputation/seniority and capability/combat ability he is the closest to Netero
2. I think he's basically a hacker who never shows his face; in the Chinese translation he is "abstaining" meaning he is forfeiting his eligibility to be elected.
3. Sea Hunter = explores the marine world; Trouble Hunter = kind of like a consultant who you talk to about all your troubles/problems.
4. I think she's just been silent

[Phantron]

Kalluto's 'rescue my brother' most likely means 'rescue my brother Killua from other shameless guys/girls' given he's jealous of Alluka.

Trouble Hunter seems like equivalent of a psychiatrist, but I don't know how you'd get any customers with a face like that.

Botobai is closest man to chairman as in the position of chairman, though I guess by definition that'd also mean he's closest to Netero in those two aspects. I don't think anyone in the association is supposed to be comparable to Netero in either fame or accomplishment since this is a guy who has the title of 'strongest man in the world'. Note that Gin is only a 'top 5', which implies nobody can agree on who is number one (otherwise they can rank them exactly), but Netero was once the undisputed #1 in the world.

[Host Samurai]

This was hands down the best chapter out of SJ! Togashi did it again, by delivering an awesome chapter again. :D

Hisoka and Illumi interactions are so well done that, I want to know how they first met. I think, I'm not the only one who finds the idea interesting. Kalluto has no reason to observe Alluka since he is jealous of him and Milluki is already doing it. I personally think that Illumi's secret informant is none other then either his mother or Milluki because they witnessed the other options of Alluka's ability. Now the hunt for Alluka has begun and Killua considers the two butlers send by Silva his enemies, the situation looks now, like a Team Deathmatch with Hisoka being a backstabber lol. That scene got me rolling on the floor xD.

What I also found interesting this chapter was the fact that Leorio's punch didn't leave Ging unscathed. He either didn't use his Nen to protect himself from that punch or Leorio's punch was really that powerful!! Hisoka's toys were also interesting I didn't expect him to have high expectations for the Gourmet Hunters from the second Hunter exam (Sushi examiners :p). And most importantly, Morau he is about to be promoted from single to a three star Hunter due for participating on the Chimera Ant hunt. I wonder if the others will be promoted too?

[Goral]

We must take into account that the characterization of each candidate isn't absolutely objective. It's not a narrator that's giving us this information but these are comments that every hunter hears, hence there was someone not-all-knowing who wrote that. In some cases it might have been Mr. Beans in others maybe candidates themselves wrote this about themselves. I mean Parriston - his motto is 'kind hunter association', seriously? Or Botobai, it didn't look like power-wise he was the closest to Netero. None of the Zodiacs seemed to consider him as a better sparring partner for Netero than themselves and he had received no more respect than others. If it were that obvious he was the closest to Netero in so many aspects Netero would just make him his successor. The fact alone that he changed his appearance (unlike Parriston and Ging) suggests he is not in the same league as they are. Also, since he's so old I doubt Netero didn't fight him when he was looking for the strongest opponents and it would look like he was defeated so badly he became Netero's sparring partner and his follower basically. In fact the only one that seemed to treat Netero as equal was Ging since he appeared only when he wanted and he also didn't change neither his name nor appearance.


Note that Gin is only a 'top 5', which implies nobody can agree on who is number one (otherwise they can rank them exactly), but Netero was once the undisputed #1 in the world.
One of the reasons for that (maybe the main one) is that Ging did not go around the world challenging every strong opponent he could find, that wasn't his goal. Hisoka is like Netero in that matter and that's why I think even if he's not even in the top 5 nen users with every new fight he's getting stronger. He's someone who almost anyone would be afraid to fight with, including Kuroro.

BTW, there is no information about Ging being triple hunter in this chapter but I think he is. Creating GI should have got him at least one star but there is no mention he's even a single star hunter. What's maybe even more interesting is that only Ging and Lupo weren't mentioned to be even single hunters (well, Leorio is a rookie so he doesn't count). Which makes me think that whoever wrote characterizations could be Parriston's ally. Someone looking for missing hunters and Ging are the only real threats to Parriston.

[Host Samurai]

LOL, I just noticed that Leorio is among Hisoka's toys. To even be considered as his toys means that Leorio is quite or shaping up to be a Monster as well. Now where are all the Leorio haters, who deemed him to be comic relief. :pwnge

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8680/stoys.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/stoys.jpg/)

@Goral: Ging is known to be second Star Hunter with the potential of easily being a three Star Hunter. Here is the page where it's confirmed that he is a second Star Hunter. http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter38/153130-13.html

[Phantron]

We must take into account that the characterization of each candidate isn't absolutely objective. It's not a narrator that's giving us this information but these are comments that every hunter hears, hence there was someone not-all-knowing who wrote that. In some cases it might have been Mr. Beans in others maybe candidates themselves wrote this about themselves. I mean Parriston - his motto is 'kind hunter association', seriously? Or Botobai, it didn't look like power-wise he was the closest to Netero. None of the Zodiacs seemed to consider him as a better sparring partner for Netero than themselves and he had received no more respect than others. If it were that obvious he was the closest to Netero in so many aspects Netero would just make him his successor. The fact alone that he changed his appearance (unlike Parriston and Ging) suggests he is not in the same league as they are. Also, since he's so old I doubt Netero didn't fight him when he was looking for the strongest opponents and it would look like he was defeated so badly he became Netero's sparring partner and his follower basically. In fact the only one that seemed to treat Netero as equal was Ging since he appeared only when he wanted and he also didn't change neither his name nor appearance.


One of the reasons for that (maybe the main one) is that Ging did not go around the world challenging every strong opponent he could find, that wasn't his goal. Hisoka is like Netero in that matter and that's why I think even if he's not even in the top 5 nen users with every new fight he's getting stronger. He's someone who almost anyone would be afraid to fight with, including Kuroro.

BTW, there is no information about Ging being triple hunter in this chapter but I think he is. Creating GI should have got him at least one star but there is no mention he's even a single star hunter. What's maybe even more interesting is that only Ging and Lupo weren't mentioned to be even single hunters (well, Leorio is a rookie so he doesn't count). Which makes me think that whoever wrote characterizations could be Parriston's ally. Someone looking for missing hunters and Ging are the only real threats to Parriston.

Way back in volume 1 or so it says Gin is a double star and he could be a triple star if he bothered applying for it (he never did).

There's really no conceiveable way any existing character can be in this 'top 5' ranking without this being mentioned already. I mean, this would be something presumably everyone in the world knows since someone had to rank the top 5 in the first place. It's not like any of the major characters operate under hidden identity except for Ilumi so if Hisoka is a top 5 someone would've mentioned that already. Biscuet knows Gin is a top 5, and unless she happened to know exactly 1 out of the top 5, she should've said something when she ran into Hisoka assuming that was one of the top 5 too.

Now someone introduced recently like Botobai could be in this top 5 ranking since they just appeared so there's not enough time to see where they fit in the world of HXH. I doubt this is the case but at least it's possible.

Given the nature of aura combat you would never say soandso can never beat soandso without a huge disparity, so of course it's perfectly reasonable for someone like Hisoka to challenge a top 5, even though it would make no sense if he is one of the top 5. But if you're on that top 5 list you'd have to be considered a favorite against anyone not on the list. I really doubt there's a martial arts tournament so that they know exactly everyone stands in power. Besides, if such a tournament exist, then you can easily have an exact ranking. People in HXH can easily estimate their opponent's power by observing them, so the top 5 would presumably the 5 guys who have the highest observed power.

[zelllogan]

Hisoka was always my favourite villain in the mangaworld ... but I'm wondering if he is not my favourite manga character ever. It is just impossible to know what he will do.

About Hisoka toys:

First line: gourmet hunter from the hunter exam - tiger zodiac - sheep zodiac - killua - biscuit? - kalluto - feitan -franklin an an other zodiac.
Second line: other gourmet hunter - silva - kurapika - leorio- kuroro
third line: first hunter from the exam - hanzo - grandpa zoldyeck - monkey - nobunaga - ging - gon - phinks - illumi - zodiac ?

But the picture is I think not complete. Hisoka have more toys than that. Hisoka was also interested in Machi for example

[Host Samurai]

But the picture is I think not complete. Hisoka have more toys than that. Hisoka was also interested in Machi for example

Huh? I thought that it was obvious that Hisoka was only interested in her because she was a woman and not strength wise.

[zelllogan]

Huh? I thought that it was obvious that Hisoka was only interested in her because she was a woman and not strength wise.
It was hinted that he deliberatly let himself being hurt in order to see Machi technique. I can be wrong though, I don't remember that well.

Edit: well it's not like I remember :
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v07/c055/10.html

But it still show that Hisoka is interested in Machi for other things than "being a woman"

[lobo971]

Togashi @ his best id say :)
great chapter great intrigue, great relation developments, great expectations.. Love to see Killua in a all war out against the family to save his sister. Love how togashi always manage to get so deep in those emotions with his characters..

my bet is that Gon's recovery will eventually come soon, and that he will stand by Killua's side with his usual way of thinking, helping Killua to see things from a whole other perspective..

i bet that even being saved, his nen will have somehow evolved from the experience into something more powerfull, a bit like Youpi in a way.. first he exploded from rage then controled his rage to turn it into something else...

[Goral]

(...)
@Goral: Ging is known to be second Star Hunter with the potential of easily being a three Star Hunter. Here is the page where it's confirmed that he is a second Star Hunter. http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter38/153130-13.html
He was second star hunter, whether he still is is debatable. After so many years he could have become 3 star hunter hence he received another card hence he left this one to Kaitou since he didn't need it (IIRC, I think he gave it to Kaitou and then Kaitou gave it to Gon, right?).

[Uriel]

Hisoka IS the best character of mangaworld, zellogan. Your doubts are inappropriate.

i bet that even being saved, his nen will have somehow evolved from the experience into something more powerfull, a bit like Youpi in a way.. first he exploded from rage then controled his rage to turn it into something else...
Well, that's for sure. I don't think He controlled his rage at all, since there is no situation close to make that learning...But this was a life change situation which is said to shape Nen. Somehow all this will make a strange technique out of him. It will be good for balancing, since Killua technique is way higher.

[LoS]

If that is the case then this arc we would need to see Killua take a big step in aura progression. I can't imagine Togashi after Gon recovers having the two of them leagues apart in power. They are meant to nearly be parallel to one another, always pushing each other towards the next step. Having Gon leagues ahead of Killua would kind of ruin that.

[zelllogan]

I think that Lupe Highland will be important in the story. Pariston want to decrease the number of lost hunters ... number that increased since he is vice-chairman. And now togashi introduce a new character who is among the last candidates & is a hunter who seek lost people. I don't think it's a coincidence

[•Sasuke•]

the most awesome manga running in jump... sorry running in every magazine.
i love this manga.
it's simply the best.

[ashher]

Illumi's bloodlust panel was crazy. I wonder who is stronger Hisoka or Illumi.

Edit: i guess fantasizing hisoka vs illumi is just the new update in my long running fantasies about Hisoka fighting any new strong character (when they are introduced) and leave them eating dust :D.

seriously speaking, if there is one guy i want hisoka to fight and murder would Jin. I want to see the shit between him and Gon get 'personal'.

[BlackListHunter]

Lupe Highland = Lupe fiasco

[Uriel]

Lupe Highland = Lupe fiasco
Welcome to this forum! Care to explain? Since it's a character with big shoes to fill.

[zelllogan]

Welcome to this forum! Care to explain? Since it's a character with big shoes to fill.
Lupe fiasco is a rapper: a black one wearing glasses from time to time ...

[benelori]

Is it just me or does the artwork look like it will be particularly good this chapter.

Though I'm glad we're getting to some good action. :D

Wonder if the Butlers are going to die protecting Killua?

Yup...I was pleasantly surprised by the art...I guess as more time passes the author will get back into shape....it wasn't extraordinary, but it had a nice flow, it was...normal I guess

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I like how Illumi went "Palm" and got all scary. Unfortunately for him, after crapping my pants thrice with Alluka, Illumi feels as threatening as a hamster right now.

Yeah....even the simplest design can be scarier then a face full of darkness and reminding of The Ring...I agree that "Nanika" is definitely one of the scariest things in this manga

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I always though Kalluto meant Killua...only Killua is ex-assassin, so I thought he needs to be brought back

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Illumi's bloodlust panel was crazy. I wonder who is stronger Hisoka or Illumi.

Edit: i guess fantasizing hisoka vs illumi is just the new update in my long running fantasies about Hisoka fighting any new strong character (when they are introduced) and leave them eating dust :D.

seriously speaking, if there is one guy i want hisoka to fight and murder would Jin. I want to see the shit between him and Gon get 'personal'.

Well if it would get personal, then Gon would transform into super Gon again, so nahh...I would like Gon to master his normal skills, and the go out against Hisoka....
Even though I'm more intrigued about this whole assassin business...so Hisoka should just concentrate on the attendants first...personally I would like to see Hisoka in trouble...I think the last time I've seen his troubled face was in that Tower which held the fight competition...but even that in the end was-_-;

[hachikurooo]

I just joined this forum recently since it's pretty hard to find great places to discuss Hunter x Hunter! What can I say? This chapter was AMAZING. It's interesting to see two plot threads progress at the same time and I'd love to see if Togashi has any plans of letting those two threads intersect.

The last panel was pretty amazing, it's important for Killua to figure out the people he can place his absolute trust on in this situation. Although I think it's a given that Canary and Goto are on his side, you can never be sure.

[Jack Van Burace]

Now is the time everything will become dangerous. Killua will spear ahead and I have a clue that Tsubone will be the only one capable of reaching him again, leading her to another pestering and closer to Killua being able to wish again.

I think this move by Killua might actually save the butlers, as Illumi won't target them anymore once Killua disappears from their reach. I really doubt they can reach his speed in this mode. Unless Tsubone appears over there (teleportation ability?) Killua will sprint ahead and reach Gon in a few chapters.

I can see the next chapter being transition of Killua separating and leaving all to eat dust, while the elections once again start getting rough with the lowest candidates being eliminated. Gin will be eliminated before Gon gets healed, and he'll disappear once more for nobody else to find.

And in the following, I can see these two pieces of story being finally merged.

[Phantron]

He was second star hunter, whether he still is is debatable. After so many years he could have become 3 star hunter hence he received another card hence he left this one to Kaitou since he didn't need it (IIRC, I think he gave it to Kaitou and then Kaitou gave it to Gon, right?).

Gin didn't bother applying for a third star and there's no reason why this would change at all.

He has always been qualified to be one. He just never submitted the form apparently.

[Ustegius]

This chapter was just epic! Illumi, Hisoka, Killua stuff is win win win. Here's a little opinion on every candidate;

1. Parriston - Love the character still. Brilliant manipulator of the flow of things. But he is clearly the antagonist here and thus I doubt he will win.
2. Chidol - I guess her personality is suitable for a chairman, but I don't like her much.
3. Leorio - Mr. Awesome. Love his honest personality and morality. However, bit though hot-headed to be a chairman imho.
4. Botobai - Well, he seems to be strong experienced and smart, but I'm pretty neutral about him.
5. Mizaistom - Diplomatic, calm, smart. I like him. Though he could be more passionate...
6. Ickshonpay - Love the design! I wonder if that is him or and avatar of sort? He is a hacker and resident of digital world. COuld he be running the hunter only site? That'd explain the popularity.
7. Teradin - Headhunter? Old=experienced? Specialized in looking for talents... potential for a chairman. Chairman is the one organizing the hunter exam after all. He looks a little creepy though.
8. Morau - Well, my favorite. Strong, calm, smart, proved to be a good leader and capable of getting things done.
9. Saccho - Looks just so ugly, and has been rather boring too.
10. Biscuit - Well, she is cool. Smart, strong. But her childiss behaviour can be very annoying at times. Well, it is funny from a reader point of view, but...
11. Rinne - Appetizer the Gourmet Hunter... The oldest hunter... does not speak... and the look. Somewhat interesting, but not much.
11. St. Bika - Hmm, seem nice.
13. Bushidora - lol, he totally looks like an old-school manga character.
13. Lupe - Looks quite cool, I'm also quite confident he will be a significant character because of the missing Hunters.
15. Cutie - ...
16. Ging - The guy is just epic. No chairman imho, but epic.

[Askia32]

Another great chapter, I love this manga so much. The interactions between Hisoka and Illumi are just hilarious. I love seeing Killua out think his family and fight for whom he cares about. I can't wait for next chapter.

[Uriel]

I think Ickshonpay is using an avatar there. Probably no one knows his face or He wears a mask. Being the fact that you're actually able to change your face as much as looking like a horse (I mean, WHO IN ALL HELLS WOULD LIKE THAT?) maybe He does have Panda-face. I wouldn't like that, since I'm a bit tired of animal-hunters xD But his role here seems significant.

Now every piece is set and it was done marvelously. But we know that what Togashi does better are fights. And action has JUST begun.

I think this move by Killua might actually save the butlers, as Illumi won't target them anymore once Killua disappears from their reach. I really doubt they can reach his speed in this mode. Unless Tsubone appears over there (teleportation ability?) Killua will sprint ahead and reach Gon in a few chapters.
He's fast, that's out of discussion but...Keeping that state now just for running? Seems a dumb decision from Killua, my bet He activated this to enter confrontation now.

7. Teradin - Headhunter? Old=experienced? Specialized in looking for talents... potential for a chairman. Chairman is the one organizing the hunter exam after all. He looks a little creepy though.
I KNOW RIGHT!? I'm so glad that my name technique to predict stuff is 70% accurate. Pronounceable = Important character. :P

I just joined this forum recently since it's pretty hard to find great places to discuss Hunter x Hunter! What can I say? This chapter was AMAZING. It's interesting to see two plot threads progress at the same time and I'd love to see if Togashi has any plans of letting those two threads intersect.
Welcome to this forum! I hope you enjoy yourself and have fun! This forums offers at least some interesting points. Nen talk are extensive here, so I recommend take your time in that part :P

[Phantron]

He's fast, that's out of discussion but...Keeping that state now just for running? Seems a dumb decision from Killua, my bet He activated this to enter confrontation now.


He has used the lightning just for speed before (like when he's trying to get to Gon) but it's probably not the most productive use of his power. I think he activated the ability to indicate that he still thinks of Amane as an enemy, like what he just said, and maybe to warn her not to think of anything funny.

[Goral]

Outrunning Illumi gives Killua nothing since ultimately he has to go to the hospital where Gon is and Illumi knows it. And I doubt Killua is faster than helicopter and surely he's slower than a jet (and we know Hisoka has a private jet). So even if Illumi won't succeed in the woods I'm pretty sure he will try again in the hospital. The reason why he didn't do it in the first place and waited on Killua there was probably because he didn't want to make a scene there which could involve police etc. (similar to the situation when Genei Ryodan stirred things up and threw York Shin into chaos) because he's assassin/hitman and because too many people know about Alluka already. BTW, Illumi revealed yet again to Hisoka dangerous information - that it's possible there might be a way to better control Alluka. I don't get why he trusts so much Hisoka, seriously. What makes him so sure Hisoka won't try and use Alluka?

[Tombadgerlock]

Outrunning Illumi gives Killua nothing since ultimately he has to go to the hospital where Gon is and Illumi knows it. And I doubt Killua is faster than helicopter and surely he's slower than a jet (and we know Hisoka has a private jet). So even if Illumi won't succeed in the woods I'm pretty sure he will try again in the hospital. The reason why he didn't do it in the first place and waited on Killua there was probably because he didn't want to make a scene there which could involve police etc. (similar to the situation when Genei Ryodan stirred things up and threw York Shin into chaos) because he's assassin/hitman and because too many people know about Alluka already. BTW, Illumi revealed yet again to Hisoka dangerous information - that it's possible there might be a way to better control Alluka. I don't get why he trusts so much Hisoka, seriously. What makes him so sure Hisoka won't try and use Alluka?

Keep in mind that Novu's hatsu make it that Illumi can't do squat if Killua get there first.

[Host Samurai]

Outrunning Illumi gives Killua nothing since ultimately he has to go to the hospital where Gon is and Illumi knows it. And I doubt Killua is faster than helicopter and surely he's slower than a jet (and we know Hisoka has a private jet). So even if Illumi won't succeed in the woods I'm pretty sure he will try again in the hospital. The reason why he didn't do it in the first place and waited on Killua there was probably because he didn't want to make a scene there which could involve police etc. (similar to the situation when Genei Ryodan stirred things up and threw York Shin into chaos) because he's assassin/hitman and because too many people know about Alluka already. BTW, Illumi revealed yet again to Hisoka dangerous information - that it's possible there might be a way to better control Alluka. I don't get why he trusts so much Hisoka, seriously. What makes him so sure Hisoka won't try and use Alluka?

For that very reason am I so eager to see a flashback of the two. There interactions are pure gold so far, Togashi better make it happen.

@Uriel: I think it's the best thing that he can do right now. Because in his current state he can't fight Illumi, he still is being monitored by the butlers. And if he doesn't respect the rules of level 4, which stated that he can't leave Alluka's side for 1 m then he will be forced to go home. In addition since he doesn't have time to 'fool' around with Illumi because of Gon's state leaving the battlefield is a priority due to Alluka also being in great danger.

[Teubier]

He has used the lightning just for speed before (like when he's trying to get to Gon) but it's probably not the most productive use of his power. I think he activated the ability to indicate that he still thinks of Amane as an enemy, like what he just said, and maybe to warn her not to think of anything funny.

It bugs me that Killua answered "I'll beat you at your own game" to Illumi, making me wonder if it's not simply an intellectual battle he meant but if he also found a way to use his electricity to manipulate bodies and/or feelings more or less like his brother does with his needles.

Btw, greetings everyone. It's nice to see HxH back on tracks.

[huynhlan]

After rereading some chapter from the past and this chapter, it make me wonder something, how can jin be so confidence that gon won't die? Could it be that in his blood line there is a mysterious power or something? Man Jin confident is hella badass, it seem like he is the most mysterious of all the character in hunter x hunter right now minus maha but still how strong is jin I wonder, it was imply by chidol that he is the only one that can counter pariston too.
Also I beleive that killua will surprise hisoka with his speed in the next few chapter, man I can't wait to see hisoka's face when that happen, it would be hilarious.

On another note, I have been thinking about kurapika, I believe two scenarios will happen to him.
1.)he is capture by the spider that why he couldn't come visit gon, and the next arc will be about the main character rescueing him.
2.)he is busy doing some random stuff, but when he show up later he will have a new power up in that now all of his figer have a chain ring which mean he will have five new abilities, man that would be so cool.

[hachikurooo]

Welcome to this forum! I hope you enjoy yourself and have fun! This forums offers at least some interesting points. Nen talk are extensive here, so I recommend take your time in that part :P

Thank you! Admittedly, my knowledge of Nen probably isn't as extensive as others. But I do have more or less a basic understanding. I might need to read up on it a bit more if ever XD.

[zelllogan]

Bushidora:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b3/Bison_%28Super_Street_Fighter_II%29.jpg/225px-Bison_%28Super_Street_Fighter_II%29.jpg
source: wikipedia

[hunted]

nice chapter and amused by that complicated relationships
between this family ...
and most funny part when hisoka set up for illume

[Phantron]

After rereading some chapter from the past and this chapter, it make me wonder something, how can jin be so confidence that gon won't die? Could it be that in his blood line there is a mysterious power or something? Man Jin confident is hella badass, it seem like he is the most mysterious of all the character in hunter x hunter right now minus maha but still how strong is jin I wonder, it was imply by chidol that he is the only one that can counter pariston too.
Also I beleive that killua will surprise hisoka with his speed in the next few chapter, man I can't wait to see hisoka's face when that happen, it would be hilarious.
.

At this point you might as well say Gin believes Gon won't die because Togashi told him Gon is the main character of HXH.

There's really any indication that Gin knows anything that'd ensure Gon cannot die. If Gon is not the main character, he could've been one of those random guys that got killed by Gensuru in GI, for example.

The obvious intepretation would be that since Gin is super powerful he has faith his son is super powerful too.

[Samui]

This chapter reinforces the idea that Ickshonpay is the I in Greed Island, being a hacker and all.

[zelllogan]

I like the idea but don't forget that greed island is the real world , not in a computer

[Uriel]

It bugs me that Killua answered "I'll beat you at your own game" to Illumi, making me wonder if it's not simply an intellectual battle he meant but if he also found a way to use his electricity to manipulate bodies and/or feelings more or less like his brother does with his needles.

Btw, greetings everyone. It's nice to see HxH back on tracks.
So many new posters! I'm glad to receive all of you. Hope you all get a nice stay and make friends and all that shit that mods are suppose to say.

And I doubt, since the needles seem to go to sub-conscience and electricity works directly on physical move. Also it's not from his school while Illumi certainly is, and doesn't fit Killua personality to control people neither. When He said "beat you in your own game" is just that: He will simply win by getting the two things He wants.

@Uriel: I think it's the best thing that he can do right now. Because in his current state he can't fight Illumi, he still is being monitored by the butlers. And if he doesn't respect the rules of level 4, which stated that he can't leave Alluka's side for 1 m then he will be forced to go home. In addition since he doesn't have time to 'fool' around with Illumi because of Gon's state leaving the battlefield is a priority due to Alluka also being in great danger.
Well, you do have a point in there. I wonder if any butler or even Illumi are able to track him. Although as was said, a personal jet from Hisoka makes things more interesting since it will be a dangerous race.

After rereading some chapter from the past and this chapter, it make me wonder something, how can jin be so confidence that gon won't die?
There are two theories about it:
1) It's a Nen Protection. Due his knowledge of Nen and being in the Top 5, it's not that weird to think that if we put a particular condition (or a bunch of them).
2) He's a jerk. Due how much we have seen about him, it's very likely He's just confident of it or uses that confidence to avoid getting Gon in the danger zone.

About Kurapika, I doubt He gets new abilities. It's not the right time to introduce anything new about him, since his ark passed and now others are the focus.

Thank you! Admittedly, my knowledge of Nen probably isn't as extensive as others. But I do have more or less a basic understanding. I might need to read up on it a bit more if ever XD.
There is also a "Make your own Hatsu Technique" thread which is quite fun. I haven't posted there lately, but the golden rule to get responses is to read and quote others first. :D

This chapter reinforces the idea that Ickshonpay is the I in Greed Island, being a hacker and all.
Could be, although wasn't List the one in charge of information? And Eeto and Eeta in charge of the movement.

While it could be, I don't see how He fulfills a function on that island.

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Another thing that was cool and I forgot to mention: The last names of each hunters are incredibly epic. I mean...Miss Norton? A doctor? Silly Togashi, puns are just for memes.

[BurnSchulz]

LOL, I just noticed that Leorio is among Hisoka's toys. To even be considered as his toys means that Leorio is quite or shaping up to be a Monster as well. Now where are all the Leorio haters, who deemed him to be comic relief. :pwnge

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8680/stoys.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/stoys.jpg/)

Not that surprising when you remind that Hisoka once let him pass his personal Test during the Hunter Exam! (Even if Leorio was knocked out lol)

[Phantron]

There are two theories about it:
1) It's a Nen Protection. Due his knowledge of Nen and being in the Top 5, it's not that weird to think that if we put a particular condition (or a bunch of them).
2) He's a jerk. Due how much we have seen about him, it's very likely He's just confident of it or uses that confidence to avoid getting Gon in the danger zone.


Gon potentially could have faced guys who are way stronger than Gin at this point (Meryem). If you can have a power that protects someone from someone way stronger than you, then that'd be broken especially since you can assume your son probably isn't going to turn on you.

If there's supposed to be any aura involved, it'd make more sense if Gin made a pledge to not see Gon in exchange for something.

[Netero]

LOL, I just noticed that Leorio is among Hisoka's toys. To even be considered as his toys means that Leorio is quite or shaping up to be a Monster as well. Now where are all the Leorio haters, who deemed him to be comic relief. :pwnge

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8680/stoys.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/stoys.jpg/)


I like how the Gon doll has a beard :D

[Raad]

Lol he even has more than his dad apparently, but it might as well just be a shadow, we're in Hisoka's mind at that moment and he still doesn't know the specifics of Gon's power up, he isn't supposed to know that he's a grown up (if he still is that is).

Bushidora kinda reminds me of Jotaro from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.

[Teubier]

And I doubt, since the needles seem to go to sub-conscience and electricity works directly on physical move. Also it's not from his school while Illumi certainly is, and doesn't fit Killua personality to control people neither. When He said "beat you in your own game" is just that: He will simply win by getting the two things He wants.

Mmmmm I'm no chemist nor scientist but I'm pretty sure that electricity can trigger the brain, right ? Thus creating chemical reactions that can also affect feelings (you might be interested in a quick peek into the "Neurotransmitters and Neurons" paragraph of this article (http://www.allaboutdepression.com/cau_02.html) that I was reading in order to avoid writing complete crap). Enhancing/creating a better state of mind in order to obtain an improved cooperation from the butlers for instance. That's the way I was going with 'feelings' in any case, a low probability assumption but since it's a fiction anything's possible. As to Killua's school, it's probably like you said, since he met Gon he threw away these family behaviours, and without Illumi's needle there should be no reason for him to act this way anymore. I'm also keeping in mind that he is not against Illumi only, it looks like he is to face his whole complex family and maybe the even more complex Kefkhisoka (he reminds me of Kefka each time I see him, without fail). Well, it's just a hunch I had, and it would be a rad power-up, I think, for a thoughtful character, which he seems to be and needs to be for Gon's immediate sake.

[IamJacky]

Mmmmm I'm no chemist nor scientist but I'm pretty sure that electricity can trigger the brain, right ? Thus creating chemical reactions that can also affect feelings (you might be interested in a quick peek into the "Neurotransmitters and Neurons" paragraph of this article (http://www.allaboutdepression.com/cau_02.html) that I was reading in order to avoid writing complete crap). Enhancing/creating a better state of mind in order to obtain an improved cooperation from the butlers for instance. That's the way I was going with 'feelings' in any case, a low probability assumption but since it's a fiction anything's possible. As to Killua's school, it's probably like you said, since he met Gon he threw away these family behaviours, and without Illumi's needle there should be no reason for him to act this way anymore. I'm also keeping in mind that he is not against Illumi only, it looks like he is to face his whole complex family and maybe the even more complex Kefkhisoka (he reminds me of Kefka each time I see him, without fail). Well, it's just a hunch I had, and it would be a rad power-up, I think, for a thoughtful character, which he seems to be and needs to be for Gon's immediate sake.

I think it's a great concept to incorporate Neurons into the idea of a nen ability which alters/controls the mood, but I don't think Neurotransmitters and Neurons can affect all scopes of a person's mood, granted one of the causes for depression was believed to be disrupted or insufficient Neurotransmitters. Nevertheless, I believe other emotions are produced through hormonal activities produced by various glands in the brain, and it's a little far fetched to say Killua is able to aim and trigger certain parts of the glands to produce certain emotions.

Edit: was going to mention that Killua could have developed a taser-like ability, but realized he already did by using his Yo-Yos.

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Was rereading the chapters and it's simply amazing to see Killua's development from before (http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter36/153126-16.html) his needle removal and after (http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/29465071/11). While Illumi, whom I'm liking a whole lot, remains consistent with his almost emotionless attitude.

[Jack Van Burace]

Guys, I like the idea of Killua controlling someone's movements.

Just remember he controls his own movements with electricity, instead of throught neurons, and that is the reason for his speed. If he can do that to himself, it's just a little harder to do it for others.

[Raad]

magickirua from RSF found out this:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111123125655/hunterxhunter/fr/images/f/f1/Ickshonpay.png

Compared to a store in GI

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/648048magasinsorts.png

He did a great job noticing this! Now it's practically confirmed, the "I" in GI's name could be from Ikshonpe's name!

[Uriel]

Oh wow. Curious then that He doesn't vote for Ging then :P


Mmmmm I'm no chemist nor scientist but I'm pretty sure that electricity can trigger the brain, right ? Thus creating chemical reactions that can also affect feelings (you might be interested in a quick peek into the "Neurotransmitters and Neurons" paragraph of this article (http://www.allaboutdepression.com/cau_02.html) that I was reading in order to avoid writing complete crap).
But that would activate that part of the brain which contains different info. Let me put it this way: You could make someone love, but you can't pick the objective.

It only works for sex, let's say xD

[Popo]

magickirua from RSF found out this:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111123125655/hunterxhunter/fr/images/f/f1/Ickshonpay.png

Compared to a store in GI

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/648048magasinsorts.png

He did a great job noticing this! Now it's practically confirmed, the "I" in GI's name could be from Ikshonpe's name!
Good eye! I wouldn't be surprised if St. Bika was the "S"--she's a Virus Hunter, afterall.

[Jack Van Burace]

@ Uriel: you don't have to manipulate the brain. Unless you're a pro-manipulator, activating your muscles through electricity will override your brain messages to them. Teubier isn't a scientist, but I am! (Yay!) Imho, if Killua can paralyze your nervous messages this way, he can also input his own in their place, as substitutes to the target's brain-control, and this happens on the muscles (independent from the brain).

Your nervous system works by an all-or-none mechanism, and either there is a message or none. If Killua inputs his, you won't be able to move yourself.

[mrsticky005]

At this point you might as well say Gin believes Gon won't die because Togashi told him Gon is the main character of HXH.

There's really any indication that Gin knows anything that'd ensure Gon cannot die. If Gon is not the main character, he could've been one of those random guys that got killed by Gensuru in GI, for example.

The obvious intepretation would be that since Gin is super powerful he has faith his son is super powerful too.


Does Ging really need a reason to be confident? Maybe he's just cocky? There's always the "possibility" that Gon dies and he's wrong.
But that most likely won't happen. The only reason it seems like Ging knows something is that because we as an audience already "know"
that Gon will survive because he's the main character. So there is some irony going on. But it doesn't mean that Ging actually knows
his son Gon will survive. He probably is just over confident and because Gon is the main character he'll luckily end up right.


In a sense when Ging says "He'll live" it's really more of Togashi speaking through his characters to the audience.

[Jack Van Burace]

My interpretation of Gin is that he's too much like his son. If he was able to live through all with no concerns for his own safety, he'll assume his son will have the same ability to go through life unscathed. And so far he's absolutely right, as Gon found a way to overcome even the most definitive damages he's suffered until now.

[Uriel]

@ Uriel: you don't have to manipulate the brain. Unless you're a pro-manipulator, activating your muscles through electricity will override your brain messages to them.
That I did know, actually, because it's applying God of Speed directly over someone else. Thing is...Illumi probably control even emotions, as seen with Killua.

[Teubier]

That I did know, actually, because it's applying God of Speed directly over someone else. Thing is...Illumi probably control even emotions, as seen with Killua.
Yupyup, and about what you (and kind of IamJacky too) wrote earlier about the lack of accuracy that Killua could prove to have, assuming he learnt how to manipulate superficial emotions ('feelings' is a bad choice of word on my part) with what could be like a reverse Kanmuru, as opposed to what Illumi seems to be able to handle, well, I do agree, hence the "more or less" of my first post and the second sentence of my second post.
Like Jack "The Scientist" Van Burace ~sportscaster style~, I really like the idea of Killua controlling someone's movements. Even though it goes against Gon's influence on him, it still fits him in a way. Since his arrival at Zoldick's house and the appearance of Alluka, he appeared to me even more full of composure, incredibly fast to plan the near future and his opponents' moves. I'd love for him to bypass his Transmutation Nen prevalence with some kind of evolved Kanmuru like Jack Van Burace hinted. Contrary to the emotion one, I think this one is fairly plausible.

P.S. I'ts damn hard to understand the Brain's mechanism...

[Phantron]

Does Ging really need a reason to be confident? Maybe he's just cocky? There's always the "possibility" that Gon dies and he's wrong.
But that most likely won't happen. The only reason it seems like Ging knows something is that because we as an audience already "know"
that Gon will survive because he's the main character. So there is some irony going on. But it doesn't mean that Ging actually knows
his son Gon will survive. He probably is just over confident and because Gon is the main character he'll luckily end up right.


In a sense when Ging says "He'll live" it's really more of Togashi speaking through his characters to the audience.

Yeah, I don't agree with Gin's confidence whether it's Gon or defeating Pariston came from some hidden info or elbaorate plan he has all along. I think he's just confident and it is quite possible that the whole thing blows up in his face too. It is more plausible to say Gin was told by Togashi that everything will be okay as opposed to him actually having all this planned out already.

It's kind of like Hisoka says he is confident is the strongest person in the world, but this isn't some kind of empirical fact. He's not even on the top 5 list, and there's quite a lot of people who have been shown with superior abilities/tactics/etc. As Morel explained before, there's really no way to predict anything when it comes to dealing with high end aura users but you got to believe in yourself as if you'll win 100% of the time, or you already lost before the fight even started. I think overconfidence is just a common trait amongst the high end characters.

[Airget]

Guys, I like the idea of Killua controlling someone's movements.

Just remember he controls his own movements with electricity, instead of throught neurons, and that is the reason for his speed. If he can do that to himself, it's just a little harder to do it for others.

Well he's able to do that because of his high resistance to being electrocuted which was shown when he fought the man in the wheelchair back when they were just learning about Nen. While he's able to resist it, he notes that it still hurts, but through his training he's adapted to his ability to resist the pain by using it as a support tool to allow him to do things like send electrical signals into his brain to increase his reaction ability. If he were to use his ability on others they would just be damaged by it, while he might be able to get them to do a kneejerk reaction they would prolly be hurt by the overall shock to their system.

Thinking about the elections and overall situation of things, Leorio actually sounds like he could make a decent candidate. I had been reading back on the start of the manga and I had forgotten how clever and logical he could be about things. While he might be a hothead, he does have a strong sense of justice which is shown so in terms of ability he would probably be able to take care of things just like Pariston cept his motives would be just while Pariston appears to have more of a devious ideology behind him.

Also from the start of the manga I actually understand where Gin is coming from now if he assumes that Gon heard the tape recording and listened to the part about finding him. Gin still sees the whole thing as a game so if he were to visit Gon now, to him it would count as Gon finding his father since he came to see him and he believes that if he's anything like him Gon would not forgive him for coming out from the shadows just because he's in the condition he's in now. While Leorio's anger was understandable I don't think he actually heard the whole story about how his father challenged him to find him and is only aware that his father is some strong hunter. While everyone would like for his father to visit Gon because of the condition he's in, in Gin's eyes he still doesn't consider himself to be a father to Gon so in a sense it would be as if a stranger was going to visit a sick person at a hospital.

Once all the smoke settles though and if Gon is able to recover properly I wonder if he'll be stubborn and refuse to go see his father at the meetings since Gin is willingly out in the open to fulfil his duty, so to Gon it would feel like cheating. He'll prolly get yelled at by Leorio to get out of bed and see his father but Killua will probably understand the "honor" Gon has in finding his father as a hunter. Definitely can't wait to see this next chapter though, odds are it will be heavily focused on Killua's situations, I would be surprised if it panned over to why Kurapica is missing or even the elections themselves since the current setting seems to suggest that the conclusion to Killua's mission will be settled soon.

[Teubier]

Guys, I like the idea of Killua controlling someone's movements.

Just remember he controls his own movements with electricity, instead of throught neurons, and that is the reason for his speed. If he can do that to himself, it's just a little harder to do it for others.Well he's able to do that because of his high resistance to being electrocuted which was shown when he fought the man in the wheelchair back when they were just learning about Nen. While he's able to resist it, he notes that it still hurts, but through his training he's adapted to his ability to resist the pain by using it as a support tool to allow him to do things like send electrical signals into his brain to increase his reaction ability. If he were to use his ability on others they would just be damaged by it, while he might be able to get them to do a kneejerk reaction they would prolly be hurt by the overall shock to their system.
Isn't kneejerk reaction ("An automatic response to something" right ?) the whole point of Kanmuru ? I mean, it seems to me that there was no control from Riluberto over the electricity from his whips, its only simple goal was to shock his opponent (like Killua's Izutsushi/Narukami), that's not what's behind Kanmuru : "This ability changes Killua's aura into a field capable of transmitting all electrical impulses from his brain in a straight line directly to the part of the body he wants to use, completely bypassing his nervous system.". What may hurt Killua with that skill (and for any other one involving electricity) is having to store the electricity within his body thus involving his nervous system, but his opponent, if affected by the hypothetical evolved Kanmuru, shouldn't even feel the electricity/pain (I'll wait for Dr. Van Burace's position before sounding certain), don't you think ? I'm not saying that it wouldn't damage some parts of the enemy's body, like skin receptors perhaps, but the overall system being hurt should be nullified by the fact that the opponent's brain/nervous system wouldn't be involved in the process.

[Jack Van Burace]

I think despite Killua's resistance to electrocution, that's not the kind of resistance your body develops. He isn't more resilient to electricity than anyobody else, he just withstands its pain more than others. And it should be as damaging as a Taser weapon, so not lethal as far as we know, or Killua would die from it.

I'll just give this example and I think it'll make things clear: an anesthetized toad is fast asleep, and has lost all consciousness. If one stimulates his leg with an electrode, it'll leap. The toad won't be able to feel it, so it's not a reaction to the pain, it's a direct stimulation of that leg. If one were to sever that leg and do the same, it would still work for a while, as cells take a while to die when away from the body. All this points that regardless of the brain, what moves our body is electric impulses on the spot (that open our calcium voltage-dependent-channels, but that isn't relevant right now).

Taking the toad's example, regardless of one's consciousness or pain enduring ability, if Killua manages to control their body's electricity, he can override their brain control. Even their facial expressions, their talk, can be manipulated by this method, as all of those are muscle derived actions (some are not, such as sweating). Namely, if Killua is able to electrically activate someone's body-part with electricity, they'll move like puppets to his will, and being awake or not, willing or not, won't matter.

And once again, there's no way one's body can become harder towards electricity than others, so if Killua doesn't die, it's not lethal to others. What got tough in him is his resilience to pain, and that's a psichological factor, not a biological one. There's no way a person can become less electrically conductant through life experience. He would have to be born with it, as a mutant.

[Uriel]

You have to considerate that we're still talking about Shounen here. If you see Killua He seems to keep up with a quantity of electricity that actually can kill any human being.

[Phantron]

Killua's poison resistance is certainly far higher than any non Z human character so far, but yeah I agree he should not be able to project enough electricity to kill, or he can basically kill anybody and since he's also faster than anybody, that'd mean no human character (aside from other Zs) even has a chance against him.

I think the electricity is more like since he can tolerate it, he can also store it and use it for later.

[Teubier]

I don't remember, did he attack a human being with one of his electric shock skills already ?

I'm quite confused around the concept of "quantity" of electricity... or even about how to qualify electricity between watts, volts, amps, joules... I've been reading for two~three hours and I still can't reach any kind of conclusion. Worst, it's even more blurry now. Damnit electricity, you're such a headache...
And about quantity of electricity for Killua, if I'm not mistaken, as a transmuter and not a conjurer, his aura's quantity is involved too. He charges himself but we don't really know how much. Keeping his aura in a neutral state all the time except when he uses his skills should explain why he doesn't suffer too much from it.


There's no way a person can become less electrically conductant through life experience. He would have to be born with it, as a mutant.
He may have learned how to transmute his aura into electrical resistance simultaneously to protect his body ? Since it's about mimicking properties, he might change conductibility too.

[Jack Van Burace]

Perhaps with Nen, since it can even change yourself into an ugly Horseman... but poison resistance comes from our liver's enzyme production (it increases with drugs as well) and with immune response, both specific to the target poison/drug. Electricity has no natural means of increasing one's resistance. So far, only sharks and rays (fish without bones) commonly have the ability to feel and shoot electricity (although eels sometimes display that ability as well), and they need special cells to do that. Although our brain can produce electrical tension, it doesn't control electricity as well as to shock another being and don't resist harder electrical disturbances.

[joshua019]

I'm quite confused around the concept of "quantity" of electricity... or even about how to qualify electricity between watts, volts, amps, joules... I've been reading for two~three hours and I still can't reach any kind of conclusion. Worst, it's even more blurry now. Damnit electricity, you're such a headache...

He may have learned how to transmute his aura into electrical resistance simultaneously to protect his body ? Since it's about mimicking properties, he might change conductibility too.

Joules is fine! manga authors usually use volts but that is incorrect, it is either they are not that knowledgeable in science or they are doing it for the reader, which is fine.
I think you guys are confusing yourself between resistance and tolerance, resistance = 1/conductivity (as the guy said killua can't change it would be just ridiculous), killua is tolerant to electricity so he can't change his conductivity(the less absurd, explination)

[Ero-Sanji]

As Uriel mentioned this is a shounen manga and not a non-fictional story about human anatomy. The moment someone could even materialize a blanket that can turn objects into smaller versions of themselves, that's the moment it becomes unnecessary and irrelevant to discuss whether someone can become resistant to electricity or not.

Exactly the same way the Z's trained themselves to open doors with the weight of 16 tons, the same way they trained themselves to resist electricity. It's just a story with many supernatural ingredients. However, the methods are still drawn from the real world, a person that trains becomes stronger and a person that withstands heavy beating/pressure/torture becomes more tolerant to it if he manages to stay sane.

[Teubier]

I pretty much concur with your first sentence and your whole idea (also meaning that I do not necessarily regard my posts as relevant), but I believe that irrelevant/unnecessary is not for anyone to judge or at least to formulate. My apologies if I sound haughty or conceited too. I just don't get the point of doubtlessly denying the purpose of part(s) of the debate in a topic named "Hunter x Hunter Chapter 326 Discussion / 327 Prediction" ? Except to dispute your interlocutor's relevance, which doesn't seem to me like an efficacious way of debating.

[Ero-Sanji]

I pretty much concur with your first sentence and your whole idea (also meaning that I do not necessarily regard my posts as relevant), but I believe that irrelevant/unnecessary is not for anyone to judge or at least to formulate. My apologies if I sound haughty or conceited too. I just don't get the point of doubtlessly denying the purpose of part(s) of the debate in a topic named "Hunter x Hunter Chapter 326 Discussion / 327 Prediction" ? Except to dispute your interlocutor's relevance, which doesn't seem to me like an efficacious way of debating.

Well, as you mentioned it's certainly not my job to decide whether something is worthy of discussing or not, that's mostly Uriel's. However, my opinion is that it is quite unnecessary and quite irrelevant to discuss such topics since this is a fictional story where almost everything is possible. For me the discussion is about as relevant as discussing the fact that a lion can talk in the lion king. I mean it doesn't really add nor bring a great deal of information.

Yes, it's relevant to discuss how effective Killua's shock abilities might be against an opponent, but it becomes far off the case when we start putting it into reality, since a person shooting electricity from within is impossible in the first place.

[Jack Van Burace]

@Ero-Sanji: still, it's quite frustrating to see people fall down when they exit spaceships outside of a planet. Where were they falling to? That's a gross error and I bet you also consider it a big flaw.

Authors can apply many different rules, but it's best when it only differs from reality on the part where he specifically tells us so. And not by randomness, i.e., Kubo Tite's (Bleach mangaka) ability to change everything he wants whenever he wants just so the plot goes where he wants atm.

If Gon survived 3 days after having his head severed and no Nen involvement/explanation was given, I bet you would be upset. So please understand us also concerned about what's possible in real life and what's not, even though it is a manga. Regardless of the possibility that rules might act a little different, it's still expected that it all works like our electricity and our body, and we like to speculate about Killua's power possibilities.

[Ero-Sanji]

@Ero-Sanji: still, it's quite frustrating to see people fall down when they exit spaceships outside of a planet. Where were they falling to? That's a gross error and I bet you also consider it a big flaw.

Authors can apply many different rules, but it's best when it only differs from reality on the part where he specifically tells us so. And not by randomness, i.e., Kubo Tite's (Bleach mangaka) ability to change everything he wants whenever he wants just so the plot goes where he wants atm.

If Gon survived 3 days after having his head severed and no Nen involvement/explanation was given, I bet you would be upset. So please understand us also concerned about what's possible in real life and what's not, even though it is a manga. Regardless of the possibility that rules might act a little different, it's still expected that it all works like our electricity and our body, and we like to speculate about Killua's power possibilities.

As far as my memory goes I've never witnessed that phenomenon and especially not in this manga. If that thing has happened then it's a great flaw, unless it applies to children, since nothing really matters to them.

This is exactly what I'm pointing out, when it comes to randomness, however, Togashi hasn't really made that mistake...
Togashi hasn't made Gon survive without a head for 3 days without Nen or whatever, so I can't see, as I said earlier, why this is relevant. What I can see and understand is your interest on this subject. You can discuss whatever you want, I'm not stopping you, rather I can't and wouldn't if I could, but what I can say is that going into this subject too deep will only result in disappointment. Because at the end of the day this is still a show where a kid of 11 years can open a door that weighs 16 tons.

Also, is it really expected that the electricity should work like our electricity and our body? I've never seen nor heard of somebody that can store that amount of electricity and get faster by it, let alone surviving it.

[joshua019]

Does anyone understand what a FICTION is? the author can do wtf he wants, he can make Gon recover with a blond hair and has the ability to do a kamehameha, but would that make sense? No, It would not!!

[Uriel]

At this point I must refer to a concept that I find highly approachable and applicable to almost everything in arts and comes from films arts: Diegetic or Diegesis.
"Diegetic", in the cinema, typically refers to the internal world created by the story that the characters themselves experience and encounter: the narrative "space" that includes all the parts of the story, both those that are and those that are not actually shown on the screen.
You can say they are the rules that rules the world of that particular world :D

Togashi has been always consistent with that and it's why Kishimoto and Kubo have a lower quality manga: The rules are constantly changing making the world unstable and hard to follow or predict (Which sometimes is good and sometimes kills all the fun)
The Diegesis of the World of Togashi are defined by 3 things:
1) It's not a world like ours with the same rules, it's a SIMILAR world with SIMILAR events and SIMILAR rules. That includes someone who can resist electricity at levels that is IMPOSSIBRU in our world.
2) Nen is a complex system of power that defines the world. Due it closeness to personality traits and personal preferences, it's easy to assume that you could make the technique in this world because you just have to create the technique without the character, but the thing is that we don't know the full extension of those rules and logic we apply to understand is similar but not the same and trying to grasp it results in circular discussions.
3) This story is told by a narrator who follows two characters. This is more important than it seems.

Ok, I went to the tangent. Sorry. :P

[zelllogan]

To me, Togashi broke his own rules with chimera ants arc which I consider to be one of the worst arcs ever in manga history. Nen was never something easy to master ... when he created "creatures" able to master it in 1 week, he broke it. He creates creatures with a "en" of several kilometers when the best nen users were said to be around 50m ... 300m for grandpa zoadyeck was barely acceptable because well, he is a zoaldyeck

I also consider Kurapika powers as not coherent with the rest of the story. Kurapika have easily the strongest really usable abilities. A specialization allowing to use all groups to 100% is IMO pure bullshit ... and it's even more bullshit when it's coming from a rookie. And he doesn't even pay a price for most of his abilities. And to top all that, it's not just 1 or 2 abilities, the guy (girl ?) have 5 different very different & very useful abilities

So far, the only one who is still coherent among mainstream mangas is Oda ... but the "2 devil fruits" bullshit from Blackbeard is borderline. The worst is Fairy Tail for me in which the mangaka clearly doesn't know what he is doing anymore (worst timeskip ever, it's a no contest). In fairy tail, it's the first time that I read a story where the mangaka is so lost with what he created that he decide to reboot everything

[Ero-Sanji]

To me, Togashi broke his own rules with chimera ants arc which I consider to be one of the worst arcs ever in manga history. Nen was never something easy to master ... when he created "creatures" able to master it in 1 week, he broke it. He creates creatures with a "en" of several kilometers when the best nen users were said to be around 50m ... 300m for grandpa zoadyeck was barely acceptable because well, he is a zoaldyeck

We could discuss this on and on, forever and ever, but to me the Ants were perfect objects to give these powers since they had a clear reason for it. They were physically made up of other humans and animals and even magical beasts and collected their finest fibres which resulted in nearly perfect beings. This to me is so much better than the typical bloodline bullshit, one in a million crap or the overly repetitive "the chosen one" that all the other mainstream mangas offers a lot of.

Anyway, this has resulted in just the thing I feared it would, one should never dive to deep into the realism of a fictional story since in the end you'll only end up discussing something far off topic.

[Jack Van Burace]

Imo, Uriel nailed it. And @ joshua019: yeah, he can do anything, but I wouldn't enjoy it if this was a manga where he had no Diegetic (thanks Uriel!) rules. And his rules so far seem to make it so HxH's world is like ours, but with Nen, in a shallow way to put it.

If it weren't like that, hell I wouldn't even give myself the trouble. I don't do it in Naruto, as physics don't mean zip there (fire+water = acid?!). But in HxH it's usually the case, and real life facts do matter a lot, specially in Killua's case (his power IS based on scientific understanding of nervous messages).

Togashi would be forgiven if he went away from that line a bit, of course, but so far we are absolutely right in expecting him to keep on it.

[IamJacky]

To me, Togashi broke his own rules with chimera ants arc which I consider to be one of the worst arcs ever in manga history. Nen was never something easy to master ... when he created "creatures" able to master it in 1 week, he broke it. He creates creatures with a "en" of several kilometers when the best nen users were said to be around 50m ... 300m for grandpa zoadyeck was barely acceptable because well, he is a zoaldyeck

I also consider Kurapika powers as not coherent with the rest of the story. Kurapika have easily the strongest really usable abilities. A specialization allowing to use all groups to 100% is IMO pure bullshit ... and it's even more bullshit when it's coming from a rookie. And he doesn't even pay a price for most of his abilities. And to top all that, it's not just 1 or 2 abilities, the guy (girl ?) have 5 different very different & very useful abilities

En is not the sole indicator to a Nen's user's overall combat ability, albeit it's useful but not a determining factor in Nen battle. I think it's more important how the Nen user incorporates/works with his En. Killua has relatively smaller En than Nobunaga and Zeno, but it's difficult to say who wins in a fight.

I don't see how Kurapica's ability is bullshit. The reason why being a rookie but still able to subdue members of the RI yodan is because he's made pledges to only use that binding ability against members of Ryodans or he dies, and he's only able to activate that Judgement pinky chain when he's in that Red Eye mode, yeah, in that mode he can maximize all 5 types of Nen, but it comes with drawbacks as we have already seen. And who besides that idiot Leopard ant develops useless abilities? It's Kurapica, who had been depicted as a intelligent and sophisticated person, it's only logical that he develops not 1 but 5 useful abilities.

And many people hated the Ant Arc while I thought it was one brilliant arc that no other Shounen Manga (that I've read) was able to surpass. What do you mean break the rule? Isn't it the whole point to introduce the ants so that we, the readers understand the magnitude of urgency that humans may be at risk for extinction. Plus, he didn't introduce humans that learn Nens in weeks, instead a fictional species of ants that inherit positive traits of all organisms from previous generations that the Queen ingested, hence the offspring are geared with the best to offer from the last generations. The higher ranked officers are obviously a whole lot more gifted, while some of the lower ranked could not sense or see the auras, some can't even speak, while some others are highly sophisticated and learn to speak in a short amount of time.

Actually, it doesn't matter what creatures you bring to the table, the most important thing is how you deal with them and finish the story with justifications for the premises you set up. Any mangaka can bring supreme beings/super villains on the tables and what do they do? They give some kind of training, power up, ability of some sort to the protagonsits, or introduce brand new characters out of nowhere and defeat the bad guys. And the Ant Arc? Togashi had in the very beginning made it clear that the Royal Guards and Meryem are impossible to defeat, and such disparity in power levels remained consistent all the way till the end. IMO Gon's power-up was duly justified and made as much sense as it could possibly be without trashing the story.

The Rose bomb was not only a great way to finish off the Arc in the logical sense, but also in philosophical, moral and emotional sense as well. The power of Rose bomb reflects the dark side of the humans - whom the hunters want to protect. At the very end, bugs (Chimera Ants) get killed by bug spray (Rose), whether you're a roach or some super ant who learns Nen in 3 minutes it doesn't matter. But more so, we got to see the wonderfully emotional reunion and the end to Meryem and Komugi. To me the Arc couldn't have ended more beautifully, how is it that this arc is the worst in manga history?

[Phantron]

The Ant arc is pretty much the opposite of the typical Shonen. No matter how hard most author try to disguise it, for the most part the protagonist of your generic shonen wins on the virtue of bloodline. They start out as someone 'special' and they can do things nobody else can do. Gon and Killua are obviously someone 'special' too, but it turns out the major Ants are way more special than any human can be. As Meryem puts it, he was born to rule the world and it doesn't get more special than that. People don't have problem with Gon and Killua learning at much higher than the average Hunter pace, so why is it wrong for someone else to be even more talented than they are? The Ants were never on the same playing field as humans. Even a grunt can take an aura-powered hit without using aura at all, while that'd be pretty much unthinkable for any human.

While the generic manga will go about how ingenuity or friendship or something triumphs all, the Ants are consistent in their portrayal as the superior race. They have better physical strength, aura strength, and even tactics (especially Meryem). Even a relatively stupid character like Yupi was able to set up a trap against a battle-tested veteran like Knuckles (going by experience he is arguably the most experienced character since he's literally fought thousands of times). In the end the Ants lost only to treachery, as even Pufu, who is about as far away from 'honorable' as you can possibly get, finds the act of using a bomb to be dishonorable. But it was that dishonorable act that won the fight, and when you're battling for the survival of the entire human race, nobody really cares if it was won in an honorable way or not.

[exsoldier001]

agreed with jacky and phantron.

Ant arc was the best.

[Phantron]

I don't actually like the Ant arc very much, but I respect Togashi that instead of just having people pulling Super Saiyan out of nowhere (Gon's 'dark' form has been long foreshadowed), or defeating Ants with tactics despite two of them having far superior tactics than any human (Pufu and Meryem), he is consistent by having Ants defeated by treachery. For whatever reason, the Ants must be ultra honorable (even Pufu was appalled by the act of using a bomb!) so it's a believeable weakness.

I once read that an author has a budget of credability. For example, if you're in a non Dragonball universe and someone died, they usually better stay dead. If you make someone really die (not just 'no one can possibly survive that!') and he come back to life, that'd use up all your budget for credability. That is, you can probably have an event like that happen once but your reader isn't going to believe you for the rest of the story for sure. So yes Togashi can technically write whatever he wants, but he too has a budget of credability to work with, and the world of HXH is pretty rigid. For example you can't just resurrect people, but having Kite somehow reincarnate, while still pretty incredible, doesn't strain the credability budget as much. Having the Ants completely overlook the existence of the Rose (roughly explained by their sense of honor) is a big stretch, but it's less of a stretch than the notion that any human can possibly defeat Meryem given his power in the HXH world.

For the most part I'd say Togashi gets a lot of mileage out of his credabilty budget. You don't have to necessarily think everything he does make sense, but he rarely asks you to take something that's utterly ridiculous on its face. But this might be also why it took so long to write HXH, since it's not exactly easy to come up with a story that doesn't stretch the credability budget especially given that the Ants would be a tough opponent to deal with within the credability budget for most shonen.

[Goral]

This to me is so much better than the typical bloodline bullshit, one in a million crap or the overly repetitive "the chosen one" that all the other mainstream mangas offers a lot of.
This is not bullshit. It just so happens that every few million people that are born some extraordinary ones appear like Cassius Clay (Ali), Sergey Bubka, Einstein, Planck, Gauss, Maxwell, Newton, etc. Bullshit is something like what happened with ants but since it's manga Togashi has that excuse. But I certainly would prefer to have another super-powerful Naruto be born rather than super-powerful alien come from nowhere. This is what happened in HxH. We don't know where these bugs came from, supposedly smaller versions of them where around for centuries and suddenly in a week they became most powerful creatures, lol. If they were aliens I would have as bad reaction as I've had with them (and for all we know they might be aliens :p). I seriously don't understand how people can like this arc, let alone consider it as the best one O_O. Strangely enough on Polish forums everyone agrees that it's shit and I know many people who dropped Hunter x Hunter after seeing such degradation in quality of the story (for example Togashi had to use narrator so much more which showed his laziness, it's so much easier to explicitly state sth other than show it).

[Phantron]

This is not bullshit. It just so happens that every few million people that are born some extraordinary ones appear like Cassius Clay (Ali), Sergey Bubka, Einstein, Planck, Gauss, Maxwell, Newton, etc. Bullshit is something like what happened with ants but since it's manga Togashi has that excuse. But I certainly would prefer to have another super-powerful Naruto be born rather than super-powerful alien come from nowhere. This is what happened in HxH. We don't know where these bugs came from, supposedly smaller versions of them where around for centuries and suddenly in a week they became most powerful creatures, lol. If they were aliens I would have as bad reaction as I've had with them (and for all we know they might be aliens :p). I seriously don't understand how people can like this arc, let alone consider it as the best one O_O. Strangely enough on Polish forums everyone agrees that it's shit and I know many people who dropped Hunter x Hunter after seeing such degradation in quality of the story (for example Togashi had to use narrator so much more which showed his laziness, it's so much easier to explicitly state sth other than show it).

The story implies the Ants were around for a long time but were known to be dangerous but not a direct threat due to their size, though if you look at the Ant Queen, it started out eating stuff like fish, had some soldier based on small animals, which killed a small kid, and then it ate the kid and then you got an army of super soldiers. So unless the argument is that normal Ant Queens cannot be big enough to physically digest even a small human (but presumably enough to eat a fish), the better question to ask is how come humans have not become extinct yet in the world of HXH.

Even if you assume Meryem was the chosen one, i.e. more special than the average "King", at least his Royal Guards weren't said to be anything more special than the typical Royal Guards, and it can't take more than about 10 of those guys to destroy the world if they worked together. It's not like the Ant Queen ate any particularly powerful human being to give birth to the Royals.

If you look at Meryem's plan for world conquest, it doesn't even look like he originally planned to get into any fight himself. Certainly the Royals would much prefer him to just sit back and stay in the throne room while they do all the work, so this implies 3 Royals can easily take out a nation, especially after they have their army completed. The Ant King will also mate with other female to create more Queens, which means if one manages to pop up anywhere you're going to look at a whole mess of at least Royal-calibur Ants in a hurry.

The biggest problem I have with the Ant arc is that there's really no conceiveable way the Ants should've lost the war given how strong they are portrayed as. Again, you're talking about even a grunt Ant can withstand aura-charged attacks with just their body. I always thought the only way things could've made sense was if Pitou and Pufu killed each other over their differences toward Komugi and Meryem got bored with enslaving such an inferior race that he decided to retire and just play Gungi all day.

For the heritage thing, I think it's not that you can't have exceptional human beings but that in most Shonen things are literally determined the moment you're born. If you have Gon or Killua's genes you're destined to a life of greatness, and if not you're pretty much screwed. Most manga talks about how the main characters work so hard but in the end it always feels like it's more about how the main characters won the genetic lottery and their opponents did not. In the Ant arc, it's clear that the Royals + Meryem are the biggest winners of the genetic lottery. It is literally impossible to surpass them as a function of heritage or training, and even by strategy (Meryem and Pufu has superior strategy than just about any HXH character). Of course then you get into a problem of how are you supposed to beat the winners of the genetic lottery, which I don't think is answered in a believeable manner. But then, how are you supposed to defeat something that is better than you in every possible way?

[IamJacky]

This is not bullshit. It just so happens that every few million people that are born some extraordinary ones appear like Cassius Clay (Ali), Sergey Bubka, Einstein, Planck, Gauss, Maxwell, Newton, etc. Bullshit is something like what happened with ants but since it's manga Togashi has that excuse. But I certainly would prefer to have another super-powerful Naruto be born rather than super-powerful alien come from nowhere. This is what happened in HxH. We don't know where these bugs came from, supposedly smaller versions of them where around for centuries and suddenly in a week they became most powerful creatures, lol. If they were aliens I would have as bad reaction as I've had with them (and for all we know they might be aliens :p). I seriously don't understand how people can like this arc, let alone consider it as the best one O_O. Strangely enough on Polish forums everyone agrees that it's shit and I know many people who dropped Hunter x Hunter after seeing such degradation in quality of the story (for example Togashi had to use narrator so much more which showed his laziness, it's so much easier to explicitly state sth other than show it).

As Phantron had mentioned earlier, the key factor for the Chimera Ants to go insanely strong is that for the first time ever in HxH (presumably), humans became food and that was that. We can certainly reason out that in the past the Chimera Ants had been consuming other smaller/weaker animals and these "food" species are very likely to have become extinct or at least extinct in particular habitats, hence the reason why they were classified top ranked quarantined insects.

It is fascinating to read about extraordinary people as you mentioned: Ali, Einstein and etc. and it certainly wouldn't be bullshit to find that these One-In-A-Mil/The Chosen One characters to go about their extraordinary path to greatness. But the problem remains with most mainstream Shounen Manga is the fact that every time a very strong villain is introduced, the protagonists always get the power-ups/training/hidden technique /new ability and subsequently win the final fight, and it just gets downright repetitive and boring.

With the Ant Arc the premises were set up clearly that the bar was way too high to have any human possibly win against the top tiered Ants (3 RG & Meryem), but Togashi stayed intact with the power differences and abandoned the typical boring "The Chosen One" routine and went to a completely different direction, that's the reason why I liked the Arc. I believe the Ant Arc would have also been okay and entertaining if Togashi went the traditional way and introduce a combination of Nen abilities and strategies and eventually win against the Ants like every other Shounen, it wouldn't have been shitty but I would think "meh, figured." but he chose to go against the grain and made this IMO a genius Arc that no other Shounen had ever done.

And if people are dropping HxH because of the Ant Arc I seriously wonder what other Manga they went for instead, I'd definitely give them a try because I seriously have not found any other Manga pulling off the things that HxH had done, Ant Arc included, and especially the Ant Arc.

[zelllogan]

So, ants & humans are cohabiting for thousand of years & just now they decided to taste humans :D. How convenient ..

[Foreva]

^ Convenient what? Prior to the appearance of the Queen, Chimera Ants are just slightly bigger in size than normal ants. The Queen is a mutant that no one knows how she came into being. If by the end of HxH Togashi gives no explanation of her origin then you can criticize the Ant Arc on this point. However, at the moment, when the manga is barely half way through, bashing it the way you're doing, using weak assumptions, is ridiculous.

[Uriel]

I don't still get why her size was like that and why she was in such bad state when She appeared. BUT it was mention by Kaito that the size of these ants were incredibly and these ants regularly were WAY smaller. Without talking :P

Still, doesn't change (for me) the fact that the arc was resolved quite well.

[Goral]

(...) If by the end of HxH Togashi gives no explanation of her origin then you can criticize the Ant Arc on this point. However, at the moment, when the manga is barely half way through, bashing it the way you're doing, using weak assumptions, is ridiculous.
In other words I can't criticize a manga until it's finished because you never know, author might try to patch some holes up or give an explanation at the end, is that it? To me it doesn't matter whether some scientists experimented with ants and created such monsters or they've come from space. They way they were introduced and the rate of their growth was just ridiculous. It was poorly written by Togashi (in this case term "asspull" would fit) and this arc made me think that even the most ridiculous thing is possible in HxH. By the time new arc ends, taking into account the rate of growth of the ants another Meruem should appear. And in the first place how come there are no more queens/Meruems coming from the sea? They didn't just appear out of nowhere, either they were created by scientists (in that case they should be able to create more and with their level of bioscience they should also be able to enhance human abilities, if they could increase intelligence of the ants so much then why don't they do the same to themselves?) or came from outer space. I don't see much of an option here. Some "nen-rays" made the ants grow? Do you really think Togashi can come up with a convincing explanation for them?

[Host Samurai]

Seriously, guys. Your nagging is getting ridiculous but I also can understand your way of thinking. We still only got one part of the story so far about the Ants. Togashi might reveal the full story about the Ants in a later stage as the story progress many people seem to forget, that the Ants were introduced alongside with Jairo, who is going to play a significant role in the story. Since we don't know their origin we can speculate on that matter, they could be artificially farmed in a labotary for scientific purposes or used as guinea pigs for the drugs, which was produced in NGL during Jairo's reign. You see Togashi has a lot of room to explain to us about their origin and the fact that many chimera ants survived makes me think that we will see them again.

[Popo]

To me, Togashi broke his own rules with chimera ants arc which I consider to be one of the worst arcs ever in manga history. Nen was never something easy to master ... when he created "creatures" able to master it in 1 week, he broke it. He creates creatures with a "en" of several kilometers when the best nen users were said to be around 50m ... 300m for grandpa zoadyeck was barely acceptable because well, he is a zoaldyeck

I also consider Kurapika powers as not coherent with the rest of the story. Kurapika have easily the strongest really usable abilities. A specialization allowing to use all groups to 100% is IMO pure bullshit ... and it's even more bullshit when it's coming from a rookie. And he doesn't even pay a price for most of his abilities. And to top all that, it's not just 1 or 2 abilities, the guy (girl ?) have 5 different very different & very useful abilities

So far, the only one who is still coherent among mainstream mangas is Oda ... but the "2 devil fruits" bullshit from Blackbeard is borderline. The worst is Fairy Tail for me in which the mangaka clearly doesn't know what he is doing anymore (worst timeskip ever, it's a no contest). In fairy tail, it's the first time that I read a story where the mangaka is so lost with what he created that he decide to reboot everything
I'm not sure that you have the best understanding of the series. The reason why the ants were able to master Nen so quickly was because of Pouf--Spiritual Message allowed him to tell the ants the best ability for them to learn, as well as how to use it. Leol stated that it would only take a day if one was quick enough. And the Chimera Ants learned/adapted at a faster rate than humans. In fact, biologically speaking, the ants actually were a step above humanity in terms of evolution. Their bodies were physically stronger, they learned things quicker, their potential for Nen is higher--they're supposed to be better than man in every regard. The Chimera Ant arc is akin to Akira Toriyama introducing Cell into the storyline while the protagonists are still fighting Piccolo--they're not supposed to have a shot in hell. I'd say that the only reason you think of the Chimera Ant arc as one of the "worst arcs ever in manga history" is because you don't understand its intent.

And Kurapika's ability isn't 100% in every category. While in Emperor Time, he is only 100% efficient in his abilities as a Conjurer. Meaning that since Conjurers can only learn up to 40% Emission abilities, he is only as strong as a level 4 Emitter. Though a rookie, Kurapika is nowhere near the best users of Nen because he doesn't have the control yet. He could defeat Uvogin because his ability literally only works on 13 people in the entire world.

[Phantron]

I assume the Queen was supposed to be some kind of mutation. The biggest problem with Ant arc is more of the worldview, i.e. how did humanity ever survived in a world like this (as soon as any Ant Queen evolve/mutate to be able to consume small animals then it's pretty much over), and how did humans not blow themselves up if they got all these Rose sitting around for emergencies given a single Rose can potentially take out a nation due to its poisonous properties.

Pufu's ability is only needed for the lesser talented of Ants. Pitou learned his ability just because he thought 'an ability like this would be useful'. To Meryem, Gyo is just the same as 'look at something harder'.

For the actual Ant arc itself I think it's an attempt to reverse the general good versus evil. That is, instead of the good guys getting all the powerups and fight in the name of love/friendship, what if it was the other way around. For example in the Yupi fight, notice he was the one who powered up even though he was 10 times stronger than anyone he was fighting to begin with and he didn't need the powerup. The problem is that the result is you just can't win if your enemy has better physical ability, aura ability, tactics, and they're also fighting for what they believe in without dropping a nuclear bomb on them.

[Uriel]

And Kurapika's ability isn't 100% in every category. While in Emperor Time, he is only 100% efficient in his abilities as a Conjurer. Meaning that since Conjurers can only learn up to 40% Emission abilities, he is only as strong as a level 4 Emitter. Though a rookie, Kurapika is nowhere near the best users of Nen because he doesn't have the control yet. He could defeat Uvogin because his ability literally only works on 13 people in the entire world.
Here I must disagree. Levels and percentages are not the same. There is no level cap, since everyone can train its ass off to make pretty complex techniques: Let's say a level one conjurer can make a dust in the water and level 10 conjurer is able to give the materialized thing a good effect without pledge. Percentages are how those levels works in different people. IF you are level 10 conjurer you will be also level 10 emission, but that Emission will work as level 4 natural Emission user instead of the level 10 natural Emission user.

What Kurapika can do is to delete that percentage cap and be able to train it as naturally. It's not a level up, it's a removal of the restriction.
It's somewhat kinda broken, but if we assume that He's from a tribe of strong people and saw all the ones who loved killed and left him as the sole survivor of that tribe...I would say that the main requisite of being a Specialization user has been fulfilled.

[Foreva]

In other words I can't criticize a manga until it's finished because you never know, author might try to patch some holes up or give an explanation at the end, is that it? To me it doesn't matter whether some scientists experimented with ants and created such monsters or they've come from space. They way they were introduced and the rate of their growth was just ridiculous. It was poorly written by Togashi (in this case term "asspull" would fit) and this arc made me think that even the most ridiculous thing is possible in HxH. By the time new arc ends, taking into account the rate of growth of the ants another Meruem should appear. And in the first place how come there are no more queens/Meruems coming from the sea? They didn't just appear out of nowhere, either they were created by scientists (in that case they should be able to create more and with their level of bioscience they should also be able to enhance human abilities, if they could increase intelligence of the ants so much then why don't they do the same to themselves?) or came from outer space. I don't see much of an option here. Some "nen-rays" made the ants grow? Do you really think Togashi can come up with a convincing explanation for them?
Yes. Deal with it, and stop your ridiculous speculation-based bashing.

[zelllogan]

I can conclude if you want. So in two pages, Goral and me received:
- ridiculous speculation-based bashing
- annoying naging
- just "ridiculous"
- weak assumptions
- some irony for IamJacky
- ...

and last but not least: according Popo, I need to be explained everything with an overall condescending tone.
Goral wrote two posts & me two posts about the ant arc and according you posts, it's like we sent insults to togashi without arguments for weeks ...

So, I think it's after all well needed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagging
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashing_%28pejorative%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridiculous

And most importantly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

[Popo]

Here I must disagree. Levels and percentages are not the same. There is no level cap, since everyone can train its ass off to make pretty complex techniques: Let's say a level one conjurer can make a dust in the water and level 10 conjurer is able to give the materialized thing a good effect without pledge. Percentages are how those levels works in different people. IF you are level 10 conjurer you will be also level 10 emission, but that Emission will work as level 4 natural Emission user instead of the level 10 natural Emission user.

What Kurapika can do is to delete that percentage cap and be able to train it as naturally. It's not a level up, it's a removal of the restriction.
It's somewhat kinda broken, but if we assume that He's from a tribe of strong people and saw all the ones who loved killed and left him as the sole survivor of that tribe...I would say that the main requisite of being a Specialization user has been fulfilled.
Sorry, I meant it in this sense (http://www.mangareader.net/207-14117-6/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-108.html). When I used terms like "Conjurer" and "Emitter," I meant people who are naturally these types. The thing is that Kurapika can't delete that percentage cap. "Absolute Mastery" only refers to mastering his abilities as a Conjurer and not a general practitioner of Nen. It's as high as he can go.


I can conclude if you want. So in two pages, Goral and me received:
- ridiculous speculation-based bashing
- annoying naging
- just "ridiculous"
- weak assumptions
- some irony for IamJacky
- ...

and last but not least: according Popo, I need to be explained everything with an overall condescending tone.
Goral wrote two posts & me two posts about the ant arc and according you posts, it's like we sent insults to togashi without arguments for weeks ...

So, I think it's after all well needed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagging
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashing_%28pejorative%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridiculous

And most importantly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion
You're right. I was out of line and I'm sorry. Next time, I will be more considerate and tactful. I didn't intend to be condescending--I just feel like the intent of the Chimera Ant arc is largely misunderstood.

[Phantron]

The frequent hiatus during the Ant arc presumably reflects the difficulty of having everything make sense even for Togashi. In the end I think the topic was too ambitious even for Togashi, though the ending was at least satisfactory. Whatever the point of the Ant arc was, the story got a bit out of hand in terms of character power and feasability. I don't think you can say the Ant arc is some kind of masterpiece given even the author had a hard time finishing it as indicated by the prolonged hiatuses. How satisfactory was the ending of the Ant arc is a matter of personal taste, but it's definitely not like the rest of the HXH arcs where everything is going according to the author's plan. At some point in the Ant arc things definitely were not going according to the plan. Whether that's for better or worse is a matter of personal opinion.

[ashher]

The frequent hiatus during the Ant arc presumably reflects the difficulty of having everything make sense even for Togashi. In the end I think the topic was too ambitious even for Togashi, though the ending was at least satisfactory. Whatever the point of the Ant arc was, the story got a bit out of hand in terms of character power and feasability. I don't think you can say the Ant arc is some kind of masterpiece given even the author had a hard time finishing it as indicated by the prolonged hiatuses. How satisfactory was the ending of the Ant arc is a matter of personal taste, but it's definitely not like the rest of the HXH arcs where everything is going according to the author's plan. At some point in the Ant arc things definitely were not going according to the plan. Whether that's for better or worse is a matter of personal opinion.

first i must say i didn't read the whole conversation.

Second, i do not think what you said about togashi finding it hard to 'make everything make sense' is a total impossibilty, but i do find it unlikely. (A lot of reasons regarding his absence has come out in the net...ill health, his lack of interest in manga, his child etc etc which all seem pretty plausible)

Third, i'm no big fan of ant arc, in fact i dropped HxH for quite a long time during that arc. However i don't think the arc is nearly as bad as its made to sound. I mainly dropped it because of the fights being too long and plot points taking a lot of time to resolve (which was made to feel even longer due to those hiatuses)...but when i read all of it later at one go...it didn't feel like Togashi was taking time for nothing. He wasn't 'dragging on' ...ants were too good to be handled in short time. It was because of his taking time with details and elaborate plans is the reason why humans defeating ants didn't seem impossible at all.

On the hindsight, it was a brilliant ploy from Togashi sensei to make the antagonists something other than humans there, cause he was going to hand out to them some incredible powers which clearly breaks the previously established rules of his world. And he found an ingenious loop hole in his own rules, and that was that all those rules were made for humans of HxHverse. So by introducing a different species he basically made all those rules invalid and created an open space to go wild with his imaginations. And even then he managed to create the most complicated battles, and a very good finish to all plot-lines(those that he intended to finish in that particular arc). I just don't think it would've been possible to accomplish just by 'winging it'. He clearly had a preplanned outline he wanted to go with. This is why i said earlier that its unlikely that Togashi was taking those brakes cause he was finding it hard to write.

Also the ant arc was quite brilliant from the perspective of characterization. Togashi has a knack of treating his characters more like pieces of a puzzle(killua's family interrelationship diagram comes to mind...what sort of characterization is that?). But in ant arc, he wrote his characters with more heart than he usually does...The king, Palm and The blind girl were all very well written, much better written than most other characters.

About the source of the ants, i don't know whether Togashi is gonna explore it further...but as things stand now, i don't find it anything too hard to believe. It was a freak mutation,something like that has a very very minimal chance of happening...but freak mutations are no new plot element to use today's comics/lit. So the other queen ants don't matter at all, cause something like that happening again has even less chance. But if Togashi feels like incorporating this detached event with something bigger, he might as well make it an experiment from some other guy...which isn't something hard to do. My point is he can take either way, leave it at the current position or expand it somehow, and neither of the ways can be criticized really.

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Togashi has been always consistent with that and it's why Kishimoto and Kubo have a lower quality manga: The rules are constantly changing making the world unstable and hard to follow or predict (Which sometimes is good and sometimes kills all the fun)


I know its offtopic, and i can't really talk about kubo...but as a naruto fan :p, i can't help but make my disagreement known. Togashi is a brilliant plot writer, better than kishimoto...yes, but its not that kishimoto is too inconsistent. Naruto sort of makes the questioning and source of its own rules a matter of its plot(source of ninjutsu)...which is why the apparent statements don't seem the same when delved further into it. If someone in other universe wrote a story about our world...and included all the theories about the origin of our universe and creation...it'd would have changing 'diegetic' too :p