Best Villain

[benelori]

Welcome to the nomination phase of
Best Villain

This thread if for this specific nomination only, for discussion regarding other categories and general discussion about the Awards, please visit the MH Manga Awards 2011 Discussion Thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/74165-MH-Manga-Awards-2011-Discussion-thread).

Please remember, that you may nominate only one title for this award. However during the nomination phase, you can always change your nomination. For more information about how the Awards work, please check the opening post of the thread linked above.

"Please note that for categories that were included last year, the winner of last year's award for that specific category can't be nominated this year..
Winner Best Villain 2010: Berserk: Griffith

For the nomination phase to run smoothly and to avoid situations where nominations weren't counted by accident, please state your nomination clearly. It is preferable to highlight the nominated title with bolded text and color. Example: I nominate <insert title> for <insert category>

Also please explain briefly the reason for your nomination.

Enjoy the Awards and thanks for understanding!


The voting round has ended, and MangaHelpers is ready with the winner!


5 official nominees

(6)Akainu from One Piece
(5)Tobi from Naruto
(5)Hisoka from Hunter X Hunter
(4)Johan Liebert from Monster
(3)Light Yagami from Death Note


Out

(2)Kabuto from Naruto
(2)Abidani from Gamble Fish
(2)Shishio from Rurouni Kenshin
Shira from Blade of The Immortal
Meryem from Hunter X Hunter
Tsukishima from Bleach
Pitou from Hunter X Hunter
Prime Minister Kujou from Bloody Monday
Jabberwock from Beelzebub
Father from Full Metal Alchemist
Yasu from Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Tyki Mikk from D. Gray-Man
Jinsuke Kurogane from Gamaran
Friend from 20th Century Boys
Tommyrod from Toriko
Haguro Dou from Wolf Guy - Wolfen Crest
Shiro / Wretched Egg from Deadman Wonderland
Anotsu Kagehisa from Blade of the Immortal


MangaHelpers' Best Villain 2011 is...

HISOKA
(Hunter x Hunter (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php/902-Hunter-x-Hunter))

http://static.mangahelpers.com/gallery-previews/16933 (http://mangahelpers.com/gallery/mods-only-general-purposes/16922)

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Staff Members' choice: Light Yagami (Death Note (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/175-Death-Note-by-Ohba-Sugumi-Obata-Takeshi))
STARs' choice: Johan Liebert (Monster (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/27117-Monster-by-Urasawa-Naoki)) and Light Yagami (Death Note (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/175-Death-Note-by-Ohba-Sugumi-Obata-Takeshi))

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[Shinsatsu]

I nominate Shira from Blade of The Immortal for Best Villain.

Shira surpassed every other villain I know. He's a heartless, ruthless, disgusting person. I got the chills when he was introduced again after applying some "modifications" to his appearance and "arsenal". When he appears you know that death is coming. I don't want to talk specifics in order to avoid spoilers... But I'm certain that he was the perfect villain from the beginning to the end... in all the stories I have ever read.

[destiny4ever]

Thank you for your nomination, Shinsatsu! I haven’t read Blade of the Immortal, but your nominee sure sounds like a scary and evil guy.

[Shinsatsu]

Thank you for your nomination, Shinsatsu! I haven’t read Blade of the Immortal, but your nominee sure sounds like a scary and evil guy.
I'm sure that a lot of people who read BOTI will agree with me ^^

[RDN-567]

I'm sure that a lot of people who read BOTI will agree with me ^^

I do!
I nominate Shira from Blade of The Immortal for Best Villain.

[zelllogan]

I nominate Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter for Best Villain.
He is the most unpredictable villain in a shounen. He got all the required qualities: sociopath, completely crazy, doing actions for his own needs only, no master other than himself, ...

[stark94]

I nominate Tobi For Best Villain.

[ErosVp]

I nominate Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter for Best Villain.
He is the most unpredictable villain in a shounen. He got all the required qualities: sociopath, completely crazy, doing actions for his own needs only, no master other than himself, ...

So I nominate Meryem from HxH for Best Villain! Such complex and tragic character...

[Gotenkss]

I nominate Akainu from One Piece.
Super strong, Going to any extent to deliver Justice

[Ustegius]

My vote goes for Johan Liebert from Monster.

At first the name of the manga "Monster" feels corny and even unfitting. But as the story developes and the more we learn of the enigmatic Johan and his past, it clicks. The guy is absolutly terrible. Calm, manipulative, intelligent, cold killer. Yet there is some charisma to him. If he wasn't so interesting and captivating, the series wouldn't hold together. After all, it is mostly about finding him. If the reader didn't care a shit about him, the series would not work. Monster works. Almost perfectly. And it is much due to Johan Liebert.

[mattiaildivino]

I nominate Tobi from Naruto. this year he has really been shaked :p

[meeedoooz]

i nominate Tobi from Naruto, he is full of mystery and a pure dark villain that's hard to come by

[ick]

I nominate Johan Liebert from Monster for Best Villain.
For the same reasons explained by Ustegius : p

[Barksrae]

I nominate Kabuto from Naruto for Best Villain.

This guy started out as a minor character, but without anyone realizing it, became a main antagonist with extremely powerful abilities. If that's not award-worthy amazing, I don't know what is.

[hoeru]

Akainu sounds lika good choice.

He killed hundreds of civilians, Ace, and made Blackbeard run.

[zerocooldx]

Akainu sounds lika good choice.

He killed hundreds of civilians, Ace, and made Blackbeard run.

I support this.

How far will one go for "justice"?

[crimsonlink310]

I support Ginjou for Best Villain. Nothing worse than to have everyone you trust and love turn against you thanks to a villain's plan.

Edit: I changed my vote.

[Zeltrax]

I think Griffith is more towards an antagonist than villain. But if its possible, I'll nominate Griffith from Berserk
as the best villain. A villain is only good if you can at least understand a little about him, the golden age arc blew me away
and everything about Griffith makes him not only scary but charismatic. It takes a good villain to do that.

[MattC302]

I nominate Pitou from Hunter x Hunter for best villain.

He made Gon snap in a most epic way.

[M3J]

I nominate Prime Minister Kujou from Bloody Monday (season 3 anyway). All that he's done, it was really a freakin' left ball. X_x Plus the fact that he's never been found out and was extremely close to success says it all, although Fujimaru thwarted him every time. Or maybe the PM let Fujimaru thwart him, dunno.

[zelllogan]

I think Griffith is more towards an antagonist than villain. But if its possible, I'll nominate Griffith from Berserk
as the best villain. A villain is only good if you can at least understand a little about him, the golden age arc blew me away
and everything about Griffith makes him not only scary but charismatic. It takes a good villain to do that.
Griffith won last year.

[Zeltrax]

Sorry for mislooking it guys..and thanks a lot zellogan for telling me :sweat
I change my nomination to Akainu from one piece.

[Tiranofrome]

I nominate Jabberwock from beelzebub for best villain.

Tottally dominating over Toujou and Oga after all the training.

[BBB Banana]

I nominate Father from Full Metal Alchemist as best villain

[Mikihara]

I CAN'T BELIEVE NO ONE NOMINATE SEPHIROTH
I'll nominate Sephiroth from Final Fantasy 7 (preferably, Sephiroth from Advent Children because he is such a badass in there) for the Best Villian then XD

[Uriel]

I CAN'T BELIEVE NO ONE NOMINATE SEPHIROTH
I'll nominate Sephiroth from Final Fantasy 7 (preferably, Sephiroth from Advent Children because he is such a badass in there) for the Best Villian then XD
Maybe because it's not an anime character.
Or did they released a series that I did not know?


Anyway, just because for the counts, I support Hisoka nomination. He's one of those characters that without a background has a strong and coherent personality. His ability even simple achieves surprising the reader every time.
And He's a red-haired pervert. Nothing can't be more awesome than that.

[Mikihara]

Maybe because it's not an anime character.
Or did they released a series that I did not know?


Anyway, just because for the counts, I support Hisoka nomination. He's one of those characters that without a background has a strong and coherent personality. His ability even simple achieves surprising the reader every time.
And He's a red-haired pervert. Nothing can't be more awesome than that.

Oh yeah, forgot 'bout that, sorry *facepalm on self* I'll cancel the vote for Sephiroth then
I nominate Yasu from Umineko no Naku Koro Ni instead. Since the mysteries still happen in both anime and manga, it still makes him/her exist right? XD
Because this person could create anything, any personality and do any shits. Just a single mistake in your sentence and you'll be trapped in magical world for 10 years+ with different kind of murders repeating themselves. How awesome is that?

[3c]

Throwing in my support for Tobi. The fandom has a split opinion of how good of a villain he is depending on personal taste, but I personally love his manipulate genius and perseverance. No matter how people view him from a personal perspective, everyone has to acknowledge how central he has been in pretty much every major conflict in the last two decades.

[Darjaille]

I'll say Light Yagami *epic soundtrack* and NOMINATE HIM.

Do I need to say why I nominate him? >.<

[Uriel]

Do I need to say why I nominate him? >.<
Yes, please. Give me something to read.

[Darjaille]

I never read a character so puzzling for me. Even though I haven't read lots of manga, so yeah :D
He was the only villain I ever cheered for. He wanted something good. Started like this angel~ with a goal. He did. Yet, in the process, he became truly evil, for me. But I still wanted to see him suceed, and I'm not a villain-liking type. I can't say the reason though. The charisma was just too strong. His relationship with others while being the secret Kira was also really good.
And his intellect, omg. That's more about the whole Death Note though. But his plans were epic.

[Asclepius]

I nominate Tyki Mikk for best vilain, cause he is funny and cruel while being evil. He can tell jokes while ripping an arm appart. :XD
And he is also in conflict with the two sides of himself: the Noah and the human.

[Teubier]

I'd like to naominate Abidani from gamble Fish for Best Villain.

He's a cunning villain, a trickster that knows no boundaries, but he's still righteous in his own way. I'm also quite fond of his devilish looks.

[Jaiden82]

I nominate Jinsuke Kurogane as Best Villain.

[Arctigor]

I nominate Friend from 20th century boys...

he planned everything when he was a kid...was on the top of the world for more then 20 years...wanted to kill every human being on Earth except for 3 million of his friends...and so on...

[Sachsenhesse]

I nominate Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter for Best Villain.
He is the most unpredictable villain in a shounen. He got all the required qualities: sociopath, completely crazy, doing actions for his own needs only, no master other than himself, ...

nothing more to say than that ^^

[Uriel]

I would love if in the nomination the manga where the character comes from is included.

Thanks :D

[Metalhead]

I support Akainu (Admiral Sakazuki) from One Piece.

[CBJ]

I nominate Tommyrod from Toriko.

[DeathLion]

Tobi from Naruto

[Icedragoon]

I support Johann Liebert from Monster. Really a monster and the perfect villian.

[Uriel]

I nominate Tyki Mikk for best vilain, cause he is funny and cruel while being evil. He can tell jokes while ripping an arm appart. :XD

I nominate Jinsuke Kurogane as Best Villain.
Even if I know the series I hate you both because you should post that.

[Tiranofrome]

I would be really happy if i can change my nomination to Haguro Dou from Wolf Guy - Wolfen Crest.

So far he pretty much is one of the few true villains in the true sense of the word , so i think he should be noted here as well.

[Dancing wind]

I nominate Shiro / Wretched Egg from Deadman Wonderland for the Best Villain. Shiro is Ganta's best friend and at the same time his worst enemy resides inside her: Wretched Egg. I also liked the story about the way Wretched Egg came into existance. Faced with new torture every day, Shiro's personality split in two and she capsulated all the pain away in Wretched Egg. Only he is able to feel pain while Shiro isn't.

[jorped]

I never read a character so puzzling for me. Even though I haven't read lots of manga, so yeah :D
He was the only villain I ever cheered for. He wanted something good. Started like this angel~ with a goal. He did. Yet, in the process, he became truly evil, for me. But I still wanted to see him suceed, and I'm not a villain-liking type. I can't say the reason though. The charisma was just too strong. His relationship with others while being the secret Kira was also really good.
And his intellect, omg. That's more about the whole Death Note though. But his plans were epic.

If i haven't read your post i would have forget about him :fail
As i did read your posts ... i definitely also support Light, though i was inclined to give more importance for something more "recent".
But as the Villains of most the mangas i read aren't really that well explained *tobi for example* ... i guess i will wait for next year to nominate them or not :p

[M3J]

I would be really happy if i can change my nomination to Haguro Dou from Wolf Guy - Wolfen Crest.

So far he pretty much is one of the few true villains in the true sense of the word , so i think he should be noted here as well.

^ This.

The man is as fucked up as they come, and so goddamn evil he is willin to let a woman be gang raped just to draw out an enemy. This is a true villain. Nothing to do with intelligence, plan, or whatever... he's just pure demented, pure evil, so fucked up, he doesn't care about anyone or anything. dude is scary as hell.

[Historie]

I support Johann Liebert from monster. for best villain

[Uriel]

Does that means you change your vote, Milly?

[ghostexiled]

I have to say Ginjo from Bleach...

you have to remember that he orchestrated the whole ordeal with the Fullbrings and Tsuki... he was able to break Ichigo down psychologically and that is the worst way IMO.

[Sakazuki]

I nominate Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter for Best Villain

[igotthegoods]

I nominate Shira from Blade of The Immortal for Best Villain.

Shira surpassed every other villain I know. He's a heartless, ruthless, disgusting person. I got the chills when he was introduced again after applying some "modifications" to his appearance and "arsenal". When he appears you know that death is coming. I don't want to talk specifics in order to avoid spoilers... But I'm certain that he was the perfect villain from the beginning to the end... in all the stories I have ever read.

Great nomination. Shira is a complete psychopath. The things he did to others as well as to himself truly made my stomach wretch, a reaction I almost never have when reading even the most gruesome scenes in manga.

However, my nomination actually goes to another character from Blade of the Immortal: Anotsu Kagehisa. He's a very complex character, not completely evil, but is definitely not "good" either. For me, that combination makes for the most interesting type of villain.

[Evil3ye]

I nominate Professor Souichi Tomeo from Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon. :^_^

[Farfalla]

Shishio from Rurouni Kenshin^^ *I haven't read mangas in years D:*

[crimsonlink310]

I changed my nomination to Ginjou, my original post was in page 2 post #17.

[naruto-niichan]

I support Hisoka (Hunter x Hunter)

[Josef K.]

I nominate Rob Lucci from One Piece.

I loved that he is somewhat of a lone wolf, maybe his intellect and the vast variety of attack skills also has an input in his calmness and sometimes careless expressions and attitude, but I love how he is build as a character that really showed the governments power in One Piece and that character not to be a marine.

[madmax]

I nominate Kabuto from Naruto for Best Villain.

although he disappointed us many times by losing his zombies one by one in a pathetic way. but still he has improved a lot and i think he still has many many tricks up his sleeve. he is the only one who fully understands the war :super

[Christina Sierra]

I nominate Misogi Kumagawa from Medaka Box for Best Villain. It's one of the most peculiar and charismatic antagonist I've ever seen, despite the way he looks. His characterization is just epic!

[k-dom]

I support Abidani from Gamble Fish. Just by his look you know it's no ordinary villain

[BlackHair]

One Pieces Blackbeard

He represents every bad characteristics of humans: backstabber, liar, traitor, coward, wanton, naive, ugly, etc. This is actually a antagonist you rly hate. I mean usually a author creates evil charackter which can be liked, but this one is created to be hated. I like how he is hated in the OP forums, he rly fulfils the character of a evil antagonist. BB is s fabulous creation of Oda. I hate him. For that he deserves credit.

[Shinomori Aoshi]

Shishio from Rurouni Kenshin^^ *I haven't read mangas in years D:*

I support this.

["Love Cook" Sanji]

I vote Akainu from One Piece for Best Villain.

[Uriel]

Updated the first post.
Hurry to gather votes for your favorite!

PS: Next year is going to be for Big Mom.

[naruto-niichan]

I change my support from Hisoka to Yagami Light, Darjas post totally reminded me of his awesomeness.

[miotara]

I change my support from Hisoka to Yagami Light, Darjas post totally reminded me of his awesomeness.

Well the nomination Hisoka (HxH) lost, I'm making up for it ;)
He is a really complex character, whenever I decide that despite his personality he's actually nice, he just does something that changes my opinion about him completely. One moment he helps the protagonists (because it suits him so he can fight them when they grow up) and then, later, seriously considers about killing them just because having someone really hate him might be more fun. I guess I like him because he isn't your regular villain. He's evil but you can't hold it up against him, you can't hate him really, especially not when he pisses off pretty much everyone in the manga, he makes me laugh too much to hate him.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

If we are choosing from the pole options, I would go with Tobi. During all the story he was always what I wanted from the villain. He is considerably strong, tricky, manipulative and very ominous and misterious.:)

[zelllogan]

This is the category where I am the most happy about the finalists. With the exception of Akainu, I think all deserves to be in the finals.
Akainu is a stereotype. I don't see anything original or vaguely interesting about the guy. He is a powerful, unflexible & cold bastard. He never surprised me by any of his actions so far & I doubt he ever will.

Now about the others, I like them all ... But there is only one hisoka.
Hisoka is not just my favourite villain ... he is my favourite character in the manga industry. Period.

[Ustegius]

Akainu - Solid, strong and cold. Pretty good stantard villain, but not exceptional
Tobi - Has his times, but just doesn't work for me as well as the following three.
Hisoka - Gawd, possibly also mine favorite character of all time. Strong, intelligent, twisted, sick, funny.
Johan Liebert - I already shared my opinion on my nomination post. He is just perfect. I remember reading somewhere a comic artist saying "A comic can be only as good as its villain". And Monster is my favorite comic, nearly perfect.
Light Yagami - This one really interesting character. He kind changes slowly more evil and evil, drunk by the power in his hands. A great character indeed. Anti-hero sort off. As the lead character I have hard time thinking him as a villain, even though it is true.

I like Light, but just not as much as Johan and Hisoka. Still thinking for a moment which one to choose.

[Googlez_kun]

Akainu: Kinda a standard villain,but we barely know anything about him,so maybe that's unjustified.
Tobi: Meh.He can be awesome,but in general,he doesn't do it for me.
Hisoka: What a twisted and interesting character!It's almost unbelievable how unique a villain he is.Always manages to entertain me.
Johan Liebert: Can't say anything here >__>
Light: I don't really want to call him a villain,even though he isn't really good either.That's what makes him such an interesting and intriguing character.Despite that,I can't vote for him,as I don't want to name him a villain.

So my vote goes to Hisoka.

[zelllogan]

In death note, due to Kira actions, the world was left in a better shape.
Are you ready to do evil deeds for a greater purpose ?
Same can be told about the one from "the watchmen".

[Uriel]

What I hated most about Light was that He was convinced that He was the smartest guy. And in the whole manga, He done nothing but being stupid all the time. I completely hated all those fake logic speeches with an IMMENSITY holes in his chain of thought in which the jumps of argument was completely unbelievable in ANY sense for anyone who stopped for a second to really read the shit He said.
When I'm looking for someone smart I look forward Mr. Marble, Poirot and Sherlock. Those characters are the example on how someone smart is. NOT LIGHT.

That being said, Hisoka is my completely favorite villain. All his faces are memorable, all his fights are memorable, all his quotes are memorable...He's the teacher and the test, the guide and ending point. He's amazing.

[Uchiha_Blood]

Akainu, since he is imho the most hateful one.
Light and Hisoka are likable from a point of view, and so aren't the best villain. Great characters of course, best villains no. So Akainu all the way

[Ustegius]

If best villain would decided on who I hate the most, I would have nominated Sakura...

If a villain has some likeable or understandable traits, that just makes him/her more diverse, giving him/her more depth, which makes the character interesting. And believable. Akainu is this far just is big and mean, which doen't make him a particulary interesting character or a villain in my point of view. Solid stantard bad guy, but nothing expectional.

I dare to say that if he hadn't killed a certain fanfavorite, he wouldn't even be on this list.

[zelllogan]

If best villain would decided on who I hate the most, I would have nominated Sakura...

Still, voting for a character as best villain because his evil actions make you hate him the most ... it makes sense.

[Uriel]

Still, voting for a character as best villain because his evil actions make you hate him the most ... it makes sense.
Which bring us the question what evil He caused being an enforcer of justice. A cliché one even.

[ErosVp]

Akainu here! Not to forget the big scar he made on the protagonist, none of the others did that!

[Googlez_kun]

Since when is most hated villain=best villain?Correct me if I'm wrong,but that would be pretty plain and simple writing.
Giving a villain likeable traits and still making him work as such.That is a challenge and makes for an interesting character.Moreover,a villain is still a human being,so making him pure evil would not make sense.A villain has to make you think about his goals and the protagnoist's goals.There's never only one single truth and a good villain has to trigger some kind of conflict,which is the only way to learn.Thus,it's not only whom you hate the most,but who developes the story,influences the characters and is even believable as a character.Only because you have evil aims does not mean you can't be funny,adorable,perverted or charismatic.

As for Akainu.From his point of view,everything he did was in the name of justice.In his eyes,he killed one of the strongest criminals and erased a bunch of rebels who endangered peace.For me,that sounds perfectly reasonable.However,as we read this manga from a pirat's point of view and we grew attached to the characters,we doom him a villain,even though he might just be a good antagonist.That's why I said that we have to know a little more about him in order to judge him fairly.

[Uchiha_Blood]

What is the definition of villain?
From a different point of view, Light would be the good guy, since he achieved, with questionable means, an enourmous feat:
he was able to make his world a better place, where criminality diminuished by ( if I remember correctly ) 90%. He didn't kill for his own gain, he killed for a better world. He became corrupted by his absolute power, and that was his downfall, yet one can sympathise with him, since he shouldered a responsibility so great all alone. No wonder he went mad.

Hisoka is imho not even a villain, he isn't evil, he doesn't want to destroy the world or such, he only wants to fight and kill the ones that catch his eye, at the point where he helps them if they're on a bind, like with Kuroro, and now with Gon. He is a bad guy, but by no means a great villain simply because imho he isn't even conceived as one:
he is a wild card, and does as he pleases.

Akainu on the other hand is ruthless on a level that his justice can't justify him:
he killed Ace, and that is were his justice ends. He didn't had any problem killing marines because they didn't want to die, you don't see Kizaru or Aokiji killing marines randomly, they fight against pirates because that's their job. Akainu on the other hand simply killed anyone that stood in his way of thinking. You don't see ppl hating Aokiji even if he almost killed all the crew, as well as many pirates in the war. Nor one hates Kizaru, when he did pretty much the same.

[crimsonlink310]

Akainu is here because of Ace really. I'd say the bigger villain in the One Piece world is Blackbeard. So Akainu doesn't get my vote.

Johan I have no idea about him.

Light is a good choice.

Hisoka not so much because he hasn't really been villainlike to Gon and Co in a while.

Tobi is another good choice since he is the major cause of grief in Naruto.

I'll vote for Light since he is a tragic Villain but evil where it counted.

[ErosVp]

I think Tobi is the worst choice, he already got owned by more than one character and is really pathetic... The only one I think doesn't deserves to be there.

[zelllogan]

Akainu on the other hand is ruthless on a level that his justice can't justify him:
he killed Ace, and that is were his justice ends. He didn't had any problem killing marines because they didn't want to die, you don't see Kizaru or Aokiji killing marines randomly, they fight against pirates because that's their job. Akainu on the other hand simply killed anyone that stood in his way of thinking. You don't see ppl hating Aokiji even if he almost killed all the crew, as well as many pirates in the war. Nor one hates Kizaru, when he did pretty much the same.
I don't hate Akainu. He is "just" a killer. No mindgames, no torture ... in front of the likes of Griffith, he is just a small inoffensive bunny.

[Ustegius]

Yup, Akainu is, based on what we know this far, quite simple. Nothing compared to likes of Griffith and Johan. Or even Light.

[mattiaildivino]

but why is light yagami a villain? he was the main character,although he killed people... as villain I'd say L,mello or near,but light wasn't really bad,he had his idea of justice.

[Googlez_kun]

but why is light yagami a villain? he was the main character,although he killed people... as villain I'd say L,mello or near,but light wasn't really bad,he had his idea of justice.

L,Mello and N are no villains.They are antagonists,but no villains.Just like Light can be a protagonist and a villain at the same time.Protagonist simply means something like main character,while the antagonist is the character working against(anti) him.That does not define their goals in any way,though.Just to make that clear.

[Ustegius]

In this case the lead character was the villain himself. I really honestly can't force myself tp think L or Near as villains. Mello maybe if I try really hard. If we go down that road, then that'd make Matsuda a villain too, and a horrible backstabber on top of that. The term villain includes a certain degree of evilness. The term antagonist describes L and Co. better. He just represents opposition against Lights goals.

Light was evil, and thus villain. Maybe not at first, but he certainly developed into one. He took justice in his own hands. And then got drunk of his power, and started to use Death Note solely for his own goals. As I have said before, being a villain still doesn't mean that the character would be hateable and unlikeable by default.

Edit: I'm so slow. Google was faster.

[Uchiha_Blood]

Agreed. In front of Griffith, almost every villain of every manga is an inoffensive, cute bunny.
And is true that Akainu is quite linear as a character, and that makes him a good villain, simply because I can consider him as one, while I don't consider not Light nor Hisoka villains. Tobi is a joke, and having never read Monster its not like I can judge a chara on his name :3c


In this case the lead character was the villain himself. I really honestly can't force myself tp think L or Near as villains. Mello maybe if I try really hard. If we go down that road, then that'd make Matsuda a villain too, and a horrible backstabber on top of that. The term villain includes a certain degree of evilness. The term antagonist describes L and Co. better. He just represents opposition against Lights goals.

Light was evil, and thus villain. Maybe not at first, but he certainly developed into one. He took justice in his own hands. And then got drunk of his power, and started to use Death Note solely for his own goals. As I have said before, being a villain still doesn't mean that the character would be hateable and unlikeable by default.

Edit: I'm so slow. Google was faster.

While I agree with you on a certain degree, we can't honestly say that Light is all evil. He did good doing evil. Would global peace be obtained in another way?

[Shinomori Aoshi]

What is the definition of villain?
From a different point of view, Light would be the good guy, since he achieved, with questionable means, an enourmous feat:
he was able to make his world a better place, where criminality diminuished by ( if I remember correctly ) 90%. He didn't kill for his own gain, he killed for a better world. He became corrupted by his absolute power, and that was his downfall, yet one can sympathise with him, since he shouldered a responsibility so great all alone. No wonder he went mad.

Hisoka is imho not even a villain, he isn't evil, he doesn't want to destroy the world or such, he only wants to fight and kill the ones that catch his eye, at the point where he helps them if they're on a bind, like with Kuroro, and now with Gon. He is a bad guy, but by no means a great villain simply because imho he isn't even conceived as one:
he is a wild card, and does as he pleases.

Akainu on the other hand is ruthless on a level that his justice can't justify him:
he killed Ace, and that is were his justice ends. He didn't had any problem killing marines because they didn't want to die, you don't see Kizaru or Aokiji killing marines randomly, they fight against pirates because that's their job. Akainu on the other hand simply killed anyone that stood in his way of thinking. You don't see ppl hating Aokiji even if he almost killed all the crew, as well as many pirates in the war. Nor one hates Kizaru, when he did pretty much the same.

By the way, murdering the small fry criminals like thieves, killers and such is not contributing to world peace at all, in my opinion. If Light chose to kill the big bosses like very very rich people with no respect to human life and dignity or government officials around the world I would consider him a saint!

And I also agree about Griffith.

[Ustegius]

Agreed. In front of Griffith, almost every villain of every manga is an inoffensive, cute bunny.
And is true that Akainu is quite linear as a character, and that makes him a good villain, simply because I can consider him as one, while I don't consider not Light nor Hisoka villains. Tobi is a joke, and having never read Monster its not like I can judge a chara on his name :3c



While I agree with you on a certain degree, we can't honestly say that Light is all evil. He did good doing evil. Would global peace be obtained in another way?

Well, not saying he was full evil, and he had initially good intentions as I have mentioned. And over all crime dropped drastically in Death Note-verse. But he broke his code by starting to kill people, that weren't criminals by any stantards, people who were after him. He started to use the Note for his own best. Also, the way he exploited Misas love for him wasn't exactly nice. He wasn't pure evil, but I have hard time considering God complexed execution machine exactly a good guy or a hero. Though how you think of Light depends a lot on personal values of the reader. (Opinion on death sentence and "goals justify means" attitude")

[benelori]

I think Tobi is the worst choice, he already got owned by more than one character and is really pathetic... The only one I think doesn't deserves to be there.

Well he did shape the current world in Naruto...of course some of his decisions are questionable, but he did make use of Sasuke, he created Akatsuki, and helped out in the events that shaped Naruto's birth and subsequently Naruto's entire life...whilst Akainu is just a fighter, nothing special there...he is more like a tool in my eyes, tool of the WG...his seiyuu in the anime is the seiyuu of Kenpachi in Bleach...quite fitting IMO:p

[Josef K.]

Griffith is easily the best villain out there, but out of these choices Light is certainly the best in terms of his ideals and psychotic development, his cunning ways of executing his plans, his evil aura as a person, the facial expressions, the psychological aspect and the suffering and pain that he caused so many, not to mention mass killings fit perfectly for a villain.

[Uriel]

Griffith is easily the best villain out there, but out of these choices Light is certainly the best in terms of his ideals and psychotic development, his cunning ways of executing his plans, his evil aura as a person, the facial expressions, the psychological aspect and the suffering and pain that he caused so many, not to mention mass killings fit perfectly for a villain.
Ideals and psychotic development usually is what KILLS a villain.

A really badass villain doesn't care about goals, but self-enjoyment. Light wanted a better world or some shit like that. It was still altruistic. I see him as the same as Aikanu...a boring chapter, completely predictable.

And no one has better facial expressions than Hisoka. :D

[Josef K.]

Ideals and psychotic development usually is what KILLS a villain.

A really badass villain doesn't care about goals, but self-enjoyment. Light wanted a better world or some shit like that. It was still altruistic. I see him as the same as Aikanu...a boring chapter, completely predictable.

And no one has better facial expressions than Hisoka. :D

Failing as a villain is part of being a villain though. I mean not always but in shounen it happens oh so often. :XD

Well the best category where Light will win actually is anti-hero, that is what he is by literary definition anyway.

[Uriel]

Failing as a villain is part of being a villain though. I mean not always but in shounen it happens oh so often. :XD
Well the best category where Light will win actually is anti-hero, that is what he is by literary definition anyway.
Meh. Villains win all the time, but they're defeated always with lame scenes. An awesome villain and worth to win is that one who is not beaten. </trollface>

And maybe. I completely HATE Light, if you have read me. There are better anti-heroes in manga.

[Josef K.]

Meh. Villains win all the time, but they're defeated always with lame scenes. An awesome villain and worth to win is that one who is not beaten. </trollface>

And maybe. I completely HATE Light, if you have read me. There are better anti-heroes in manga.

Haha, I understand in fact I just remembered some better villain and anti-heroes, I would not even know how to define Lelouch form Code Geass but I am surprised he is not competing in any category. :oh

As for villains, Bakune Young and that mutant thing, I forgot his name from the works of Matsunaga are really good villains imo, really drive the story around as well and they are not beaten in a lame way, Aizen has been giving villains a bad name all too much, but imo he is a good one. :D

[zelllogan]

IMO, Lelouch is only a poor version of Kira. Plus, when we think about Code Geass, we are often talking about the anime (more than the manga).

[Josef K.]

IMO, Lelouch is only a poor version of Kira. Plus, when we think about Code Geass, we are often talking about the anime (more than the manga).

Well these are manga AND anime awards so ... xD

I mean going through the threads I think the opinion stood that these were only manga awards, not that anime-only characters nominated. :oh

[jorped]

Light is going to get my vote. No need to explain why. It's one of those characters, that you will never forget.

[crimsonlink310]

Ideals and psychotic development usually is what KILLS a villain.

A really badass villain doesn't care about goals, but self-enjoyment. Light wanted a better world or some shit like that. It was still altruistic. I see him as the same as Aikanu...a boring chapter, completely predictable.

And no one has better facial expressions than Hisoka. :D

I would vote for Hisoka if he actually did Villain like things such as killing someone important to Gon. OMG I just thought of something! If he kills Mito-san Gon will go crazy on his ass.

[Ustegius]

So killing random people for fun doesn't qualify for being a villain? Okay.

And these are manga awards. Anime awards is separate thing. Unless they merged without my knowledge :oh

[naruto-niichan]

Well these are manga AND anime awards so ... xD

this is completely manga related, the anime awards are seperated from it.
And I agree that Lelouch is just a rip-off, a good rip-off but I prefer the original.


Light is going to get my vote. No need to explain why. It's one of those characters, that you will never forget.

I agree. A good villain (for me) is someone I can sympathize with even though I know that what he's doing is evil and wrong, someone who causes all kinds of feelings in me and not just hate. I honestly wouldn't have mind to see him win, just to break this rule of the villain loosing everytime (in the end). Light was a charismatic, interesting and complex character, Hisoka is kinda similar but Light moved me way more so he gets my vote.

[Ero-Sanji]

I would vote for Hisoka if he actually did Villain like things such as killing someone important to Gon. OMG I just thought of something! If he kills Mito-san Gon will go crazy on his ass.

He can't kill someone important to Gon, since that will force Gon to attack him until death. As a true predator Gon isn't ripe enough to get reaped by the grim reaper himself.

Hisoka is the greatest of the bunch, imo, it's a battle between demons and the grim reaper himself. The others are driven by moral, ideals and goals, Hisoka has knowledge of such things, but has no use of them except for challenging himself. He's not a nihilist as the great Joker, he's more like a bored God watching down on puny creatures searching for that special one worth of his attention and power.

[zelllogan]

Yes, the others just have values & a goal. Akainu believe in absolute justice: order & perish the weak, Tobi want to create a new world, Kira want to get rid of criminality by introducting fear & even Johann have a goal ...But that hisoka just want to have some fun: Bad or good ... Hisoka just doesn't care. This is a man who is getting sexually aroused when thinking about playing/killing toys. He doesn't kill for a reason ... He kill people because killing people is fun. THAT'S A REAL VILLAIN.

Hisoka is a villain who knows he is a villain & just love it. He is completely unpredictable, strong & a sociopath. The only reason Gon & Killua are alive is because Hisoka want a greater fun than the one they can provide at their current level.

Akainu is respecting orders, He is just a puppet ... Hisoka is a puppeteer.
Akainu will be forgotten in 4-5 years & Hisoka will enter manga history as one of the greatest characters created.
He is to shounen what Joker is to comics: an immortal.

[Uriel]

I would vote for Hisoka if he actually did Villain like things such as killing someone important to Gon. OMG I just thought of something! If he kills Mito-san Gon will go crazy on his ass.
That would make him cliché, actually, if Gon is not at his same level. More after all the caring He's having to play with him when the times comes. Mito is not a really something to prey. It can't defend and doesn't provide the fun He needs to kill.
That's why He's more awesome than the pussies you're voting (plural and not talking directly to you :P)

And I completely agree about the Joker comparison. He's not THAT good yet, but it's on the good path. And let's be honest: Joker stole all the Batman series by being simply awesome and a sociopath. Best character of DC out of Vertigo characters.

[crimsonlink310]

lol Different opinions I guess. Its always been in my head that unless you do something to the protag that you aren't really a villain in my eyes. An evil dude for sure, but not the main focus so to say.

[Shrimp]

IMHO, Johann Liebert not only is the best villain amongst the nominees, he is THE villain. He is a manipulative and charismatic bastard with a cold, calculating mind, who doesn't feel a thing for other human beings. Although Hisoka isn't far behind, but maybe not for the same reasons.

[Uriel]

lol Different opinions I guess. Its always been in my head that unless you do something to the protag that you aren't really a villain in my eyes. An evil dude for sure, but not the main focus so to say.
Isn't it a bit boring though? Makes the world less dynamic IMHO.

[crimsonlink310]

Isn't it a bit boring though? Makes the world less dynamic IMHO.

I guess you could say that but I don't think Hisoka is unique in the fact that he kills people due to his own bloodlust lol.

[danzouismadara]

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