Hunter x Hunter 330 Discussion

[Uriel]

Chapter out! Enjoy it!

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[•Sasuke•]

14 ：名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2011/12/26(月) 18:18:06.13 ID:F5TAU5ab0
場面が変わり、テラデインが自室でハンター向けの放送をしている。
清凜隊がほぼ全滅したことにより、新たにモラウ氏に協力を要請している所で、
さらに全滅に追いやった悪魔の氏名や写真を公表する準備もできているという内容。
その部屋にヒソカが近づいてきている。


場面変わってその放送に対してモラウがテラデインに、怒りながら、自分は要請を一回
断った事、自分が武闘派ではなく、蟻討伐に呼ばれたのは能力によるサポートが適任だった
だけだと言い、海人を陸に上げてどうするという。
さらに、針人間討伐に分散せずに針人間の確保に全員であたれといったのに、
こちらの指示を無視するようなやつらのことはしらねえとあきれながら怒る。そのもらう

そのモラウのメッセージがテラデインの部屋で流れているが、ヒソカによってすでに
殺されている。

最後に選挙結果が発表。
１　パリストン
２　チードル
３　レオリオ
４　ボドバイ　(うろ覚え)　
５　テラデイン(死亡により無効)
以下略

条件を満たしたため、上位4名で再投票！！

で終わり。

355 ：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2011/12/26(月) 18:55:11.98 ID:G02bbDtrP
>>14

選挙結果

第7回13代会長総選挙　総ハンター数653名

1位　パリストン　293票（得票率46.1％）
2　　レオリオ　　　95
3　　チードル　　　87
4　　ミザイストム　75
5　　テラデイン　　43　（投票中死亡確認）
6　　モラウ　　　　14
7　　ボドバイ、イックションペ　0票

投票率95.1％　有効得票数604票（棄権31名）

上位４名で　再選挙。



433 ：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2011/12/26(月) 19:02:52.18 ID:G02bbDtrP
>>403
見落としがないなら、休載情報はない。

次週（新年）の煽り文に
二つの戦い…　決着の時、迫る！！

次号　会長選挙は決戦突入！！
はたしてレオリオの運命は！？

目次前ページにもハンターって書いてあるから
あるはず！！


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source: 2ch & animeprodestiny (http://animeprodestiny.forumcommunity.net/?t=37822471)

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[Shamy]

Hunter X Hunter 330 raw scan: http://mangahead.com/Manga-Raw-Scan/Hunter-x-Hunter/Hunter-x-Hunter-330-Raw-Scan

[joshua019]

loads of people died cuz of illumi then pariston won! very anticlimactic

[lan2cp]

Pariston hasnt won yet because he hasn't adquired mayority of votes. There will be another round within the top 4 .

[raDar]

Heck yeah! No hiatus announcement! :onoz

Based on the last page scan, the top 4 who will advance will be (I'm basing the kanas in the wiki):

1. Pariston Hill

2. Leorio Paladiknight

3. Cheadle Yorkshire

4. Mizaistom Nana

I'm quite surprised that no one in the anti-chairman faction has been included.

[Sachsenhesse]

i totally love that haters gonna hate walk of the zombiepeople xD

and i fucking love the "scary" art of togashi! ilumi and hisokas expression are just tu cruel to watch

[Marche]

In someway Illumi let's escape Killua.
I really want a spoiler script, so I will be able to understand better.

[zelllogan]

Heck yeah! No hiatus announcement! :onoz

Based on the last page scan, the top 4 who will advance will be (I'm basing the kanas in the wiki):

1. Pariston Hill

2. Leorio Paladiknight

3. Cheadle Yorkshire

4. Mizaistom Nana

I'm quite surprised that no one in the anti-chairman faction has been included.

The anti-chairman faction is completely defeated. In the last page, Teradin is killed by Hisoka ... and the duo hisoka/Illumi killed the rest of that faction in previous chapters. If I'm not wrong, only Lupe is left.

[Uriel]

Damn I now hate Hisoka. Well, I know I can't do that but anyway xD I hope at least that it's a good fight. How much I hate spoilers >_>

[raDar]

Chapter's out by Mangastream...
http://t.co/GTu8CTZ0

[ksfst]

Beautiful chapter, I just screamed like a little girl everytime Hisoka showed; Those faces, his plans and schemes, the guy is the japanese version of batman's Joker, he's so selfish and yet, I can't feel anger nor hate towards him, he's just too damn charismatic!!! Oh Hisoka, I missed you so frigging much during the ant arc! You bastard!

[phoenixmarco]

could anyone explain what Illumi is speaking about @ this page and the next page http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/82786759/9

excellent chapter.. by the way..

[Uriel]

Came out sooner than I possibly imagine. They even beat me to make the threads! >_> Going to add the poll later when I see more replies.

[Ero-Sanji]

This chapter really illustrated the darkness that is Hisoka, how amusing, bad-ass and completely outrageously awesome he might be he is still very very malevolent being... and I love it!!!

So now it's up to Leorio, Cheadle, Pariston and Mizaistom. For one of the other three to win it requires more or less all the other votes, and man would I attempt to kiss this fine piece of art if Leorio actually managed to win!

Anyway, what did Killua actually mean when he said "The ones who are cursed are the ones who make the wishes"?, when he initially said that when asked to heal it doesn't hurt anyone?

[Jack Van Burace]

could anyone explain what Illumi is speaking about @ this page and the next page http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/82786759/9

excellent chapter.. by the way..

He's saying Killua will make Tsubone and Amane die if he wishes for Illumi's death.

EDIT: @ Ero-Sanji: Killua mentions that 'It' is actually kind-hearted. The ones responsible for the horrible deaths are the ones to make the evil wishes. 'It' only pesters according to what's wished from it.

[zelllogan]

Uriel >> don't bother to do a poll for this chapter.
Just let assume that all chapters from this arc are awesome :).

[ErosVp]

So Illumi gave up?! If I understood right, even if Killua heals Gon the next pesterings won't be so hard because healing is a good thing and 'it' doesn't pester impossible things if the previous wish was benevolent... Is this it?

[Uriel]

He's saying that the curse of the killings doesn't come from the wish or the wish-granter itself but of the person who wish.

Uriel >> don't bother to do a poll for this chapter.
Just let assume that all chapters from this arc are awesome :).
I KNOWWWW! But I somewhat feel as I should. I will make a silly one as always because this series just can't be rated.

So Illumi gave up?! If I understood right, even if Killua heals Gon the next pesterings won't be so hard because healing is a good thing and 'it' doesn't pester impossible things if the previous wish was benevolent... Is this it?
Maybe Killua used the command. Notice that even if was Tsubone who filled the pestering it was only Killua who wished. Notice that it was an order, not a wish per se.

And it's sad that Teradin dies without even a fight. I guess He was too weak for even show the fight, but I do like that Togashi doesn't tremble to kill characters. RIP Teradin then, a character that I liked at first glance. Someone weak killed by the most awesome villain there is.

And I'm thrilled because next week will be the final choice of the elections! Things scream to be exciting and I BET there will be a twist on everything. I also think that It wont reach the 95% needed to define the chairman but the events will make the bigger characters move faster. Pariston will be somewhat threaten by someone, and that will show us a bit better how machiavelic and smart He is.

[Host Samurai]

You guys are giving Hisoka way too much credit. :D Illumi is the one, who impressed me the most in this chapter. The way he handled Killua and made himself look like a martyr was just plain awesome. He dominated Killua and didn't give him any room to escape, he almost made Killua suffer another mental break down while he was revealing the other rule. With all that said it seems like the inner mission is on hiatus due to the hidden rule that Killua is keeping for himself. I wonder what that is? And Morau being C rank Hunter makes his feats during the Ant arc even more impressive.

[miotara]

Great chapter yet again!!

I've been wondering about the last rule Killua is hiding. It seems to be connected with him too since Killua was an exception to rule 5 so I will take a wild guess. One's most important person is mentionned a lot with Alluka's ability (what with the people who failed the pesterings dying along with the one they loved the most) so it could make sense if Alluka's own important person that is probably Killua should be included to the rules. What if that person was granted more freedom than others who make wishes.

It would explain why Killua was an exception to rule 5, why the pesterings from the computer wish were so trivial and why Killua thought that if his familly knew about it, they would stick yet another needle to Killua since by "controling Killua they could also contol Alluka. Killua would never do that of his own accord.

One thing that bothered me in this chapter is Killua calling "nanika", "it". I know that's the translation of "nanika" but in the japanese version of the chapter, "nanika" was written in katakana not in the kanji and hiragana kombo it is supposed to be written in Japanese. When something is written in katakana it usually is either a word of a foreign country (not this case) or a name. I would have prefered if the name "nanika" was kept in the english version as well. I know a lot of the meaning is lost to those who don't know the japanese meaning but having Killua calling Alluka/Nanika an "it" when he got so pissed off when his father used it or when Illumi treats him/her as an object just doen't make sense IMO.

after checking "nanika" translates in "something" rather than "it"

[Uriel]

Fallencies of the translator. We all know Mangastream is not the best one to do so, but they have the best scans after all.

And that's a plausible theory, actually. I was thinking that myself, but I'm discarding it because there is something off about it. Because Zoldycks don't need to just control Killua, as long as they become the most loved person of Alluka is enough. Killua also knows He's capable to remove the needle, so I bet it's somewhat different and it's related to "Command" and "Wish" rule.

[Federicoxxx]

Anyway, what did Killua actually mean when he said "The ones who are cursed are the ones who make the wishes"?, when he initially said that when asked to heal it doesn't hurt anyone?

Killua..can be..truly cold..sometimes.. and it was more cold..when earlier on the manga

but once he meet gon,,,make his personality lot more warmful and kind...

he is not the absolute cold murderer ..the zs family want...

what he says with that.. directly point 2 that..

in resume.. he knew making wishes in first places...costing another

thousands of peoples lifes...including loving ones....or even members of the Zs

family... is not right...(but not for much..he lately..dont care much about thems

since he discover in their coldness..they found Alluka no more than a tool..

treathing his own mother.with death...can fall on this example)


he want to Freed Alluka from that curse...also heal Gon..

The.. ones..who get cursed..are the ones who wish..

Why? cause once you make a big wish..you become a cold murderer...

costing anothers peoples lifes...or paying with your own and your love ones

the price.. of the earlier wish left by the earlier wisher..

of course..if you dont care a D*** About what happen 2 other people..

neither feel remorse..about their deaths...when you make a NON healing BIG wish

is a minor issue..

but killua really cares..

he feels the WHOLE DEAL..of so easily ..get what you want...but..costing

another people lifes..is entirely wrong..

you can see how FAR he is becoming.. from being a cold murderer...

starting..by loving Alluka..and also Triying to heal his best friend Gon..



God..now i think about it...if Alluka Fall on the Hands of someone like Hisoka..

Everyone will be F*** HE dont care a D*** ABOUT NOBODY..as long he get what he wants..

as i say it earlier if Alluka Falls in the wrong HANDS..it could be abused SOOO MUCHH...

From people like Hisoka..who dont care NOTHING more than getting what they want..

HxH world...could be.. breaked Apart

[Desperado]

God..now i think about it...if Alluka Fall on the Hands of someone like Hisoka..


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[Federicoxxx]

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hahaha yes! exactly!

Hisoka is like a mix of "Insanely powerful Nen Assasin/Pleasure Hunter"

he dont care about Gon,Killua.Illumi..Alluka..absolutly nobody..

as long they Gave him some kind of killing pleasure..

he seems to care a lot about Gon....

but he havent miss Killua Potential Neither...neither Forget Illumi..

EVERYONE IS A TARGET...as long he feels...it could be a challenge...killing thems...

Hisoka is the True..Pure Cold Blood Murderer...

of HxH world...even more than anyone of the P.Troupe..i would say

they r cold..and powerful...but is not 100%pleasure..

except when they do the killing requiem ..for Uvo...

they grab treasures...and shit...also..the Ryuusegai..revenge shit...

Nobody can be entirely normal..being born in such a terrible place..

without some kind of Jelousy of the rest of the world..

also they r like a Family...they care a lot about each other....




but.. i dont get why he kill..such an Ass like Teradin ?

Hired by someone? some kind of Master Plan?!

[Host Samurai]

We also got a nice revelation about Alluka's ability. It seems that once he used the ability to 'heal' on someone then he will be put to sleep, as already mentioned in the chapter. This is a good measure to restrict his ifinite possibilites that he has with his ability. The interesting part is the fact that Gon used an extreme oath, that leads me to believe that once Gon is healed, he will sleep for a long period of time.

[THM Nindo]

Hisoka is the most interesting character in this manga!
I like seeing inside his head, understanding a bit better how he thinks.

[Federicoxxx]

We also got a nice revelation about Alluka's ability. It seems that once he used the ability to 'heal' on someone then he will be put to sleep, as already mentioned in the chapter. This is a good measure to restrict his ifinite possibilites that he has with his ability. The interesting part is the fact that Gon used an extreme oath, that leads me to believe that once Gon is healed, he will sleep for a long period of time.

i got a bigger one..

ALLUKA IS A GIRL.. CONFIRMED..

http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/82786759/13

[miotara]

i got a bigger one..

ALLUKA IS A GIRL.. CONFIRMED..

http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/82786759/13



Actually that's no confirmation. In the japanese version she/he says "good child" but the translator used "good girl" probably because "I was a good child, wasn't I" sounds a bit weird in english. I'm pretty sure Togashi isn't telling us the gender on purpose, seems like there is something behind the whole thing since the Zoldick family refers to Alluka as a boy while Killua says it's a girl and he knows Alluka better than the rest of the family. From what I've gathered so far, Alluka is physically a male but for one reason or another Killua consideres him/her a female (I bet it's something that has to do with the ability and the different personalities)


And that damn "it" instead of "Nanika" still bothers me every time I read it...

[raDar]

The thing about Alluka seem to be very anti-climactic. But I'm gonna wait for the last secret, I think it will play out when Killua's gonna heal Gon. I love how it was shown how Illumi wanted to protect his family. And man, Hisoka, very very Joker-like way of thinking. And he's not afraid/intimidated of Illumi at all.

Next chapter looks like gonna shift into the next election. Leorio's might start making his move to gain the majority of votes needed. Awesome happenings, I love you Togashi.

[erhanboran]

The thing about Alluka seem to be very anti-climactic. But I'm gonna wait for the last secret, I think it will play out when Killua's gonna heal Gon. I love how it was shown how Illumi wanted to protect his family. And man, Hisoka, very very Joker-like way of thinking. And he's not afraid/intimidated of Illumi at all.

Next chapter looks like gonna shift into the next election. Leorio's might start making his move to gain the majority of votes needed. Awesome happenings, I love you Togashi.

I dont think the thing about Alluka has ended yet. The needle that was previously planted inside Killua head was to ensure his safety. Thus the final rule should be something endangers his life. Oh well, I agree it would be anti-climactic if it just ended like this. Im looking forward to a Gon's not-so-smoothly recovering.

[Federicoxxx]

I dont think the thing about Alluka has ended yet. The needle that was previously planted inside Killua head was to ensure his safety. Thus the final rule should be something endangers his life. Oh well, I agree it would be anti-climactic if it just ended like this. Im looking forward to a Gon's not-so-smoothly recovering.

yes i tought the same.. about something it could endarge killua life

OR IT COULD BE ANOTHER THING..

A RULE..A VERY USEFUL OR POWERFUL ONE...who ONLY APPLY TO KILLUA..

Ergo...using needles on killua himself to control him.... you can make use of it..

[Wowzers]

Another Awesome Chapter! :)

My theory on what the last rule is... Killua doesn't have to satisfy Alluka's pesterings to make a wish... He just satisfies them because he loves her. Everyone else has to pay. :XD

My take on the election: Pariston will end up winning... but!... Leorio will be selected as vice chairman. They are almost total opposites personality wise, and this was how Netero picked Pariston as his vice-chairman.

[Airget]

Another Awesome Chapter! :)

My theory on what the last rule is... Killua doesn't have to satisfy Alluka's pesterings to make a wish... He just satisfies them because he loves her. Everyone else has to pay. :XD

My take on the election: Pariston will end up winning... but!... Leorio will be selected as vice chairman. They are almost total opposites personality wise, and this was how Netero picked Pariston as his vice-chairman.

For the rule I get that kind of vibe as well, since if they controlled KIllua they would be able to make wishes as they please without risk of being in danger, but it's possible that it could actually be something bad lol.

As for the elections I"m not surprised with how it's turned out. It's clearly shown that the death of the hunters seems to be playing into Pariston's hand since the % becomes skewed however I do think it's safe to say that Leorio is definitely a wild card that Gin used to prevent Pariston from winning. The fact that he's 2nd place and he hasn't even been a hunter for a year does show that peopel don't really liek Ging but also that these votes will prevent Paris from winning. Now the thing is there are 57 votes up to grab and he only needs 25 to win. With the top 4 I doubt those will change and I doubt Teradain's votes will go to Pariston since I believe they were against it. Also if they are against the zodiac in general they may go straight to Leorio. So it's quite possible leorio will have 152. At least in my best guess I would think that the 5th/6th place votes don't want a zodiac on board but it's possible the votes could split between leorio and cheadle. If it actually turns into anout half of top two then Leorio may actually win since the people left to vote don't want Pariston to lead.

But ya, such an action packed chapter, so much went on, and we even got more of homicidal Hisoka, his thoguht process and bloodthirst as he looked at two brothers quarrel was quite interesting, who do I piss off, who do I want to make mad, who do I want to be the one to have extreme hatred towards me lol. It's like in the middle of them fighting over alluka, to save Gon, we have a homicidal maniac who's in his own way skewing the votes in favor of Pariston lol. It's just really amusing how everything is falling together it's gonna be a pain waiting a few weeks to see how everything turns out.

[ashher]

Why are ppl calling this anti-climatic? Or may be it is anti-climatic...then it has to be counted as one of the cases where anti-climax is better than climax. While hisoka was damn impressive, killua was close to him with the way he handled illumi and the whole situation. Only thing i didn't get is how killua could make the wish when the one who fulfilled the pestering is tsubone...can anyone clear that up for me?

[crimsonlink310]

I predict that Alluka will lose her wishing powers after she heals Gon and that is what Killua/Togashi might be aiming for in the long run. Its been great seeing Killua's family and this arc in general but I want Gon to wake up again already. Also I wonder where Ging is now that he is out of the voting round.

[kidopitz27]

lol leorio is on 2nd place :) i hope he win :)

so killua will not die if someone wishes from the family or knows the family and can't give the pestering :)

[ashher]

Really guys i don't understand how killua gotta make the wish when tsubone was the one who fulfilled the pesterings? any idea anyone?

[elitefox]

Really guys i don't understand how killua gotta make the wish when tsubone was the one who fulfilled the pesterings? any idea anyone?

Maybe tsubone's wish is for killua to wish ^_^

[ashher]

Maybe tsubone's wish is for killua to wish ^_^

Hmm yeah i think. That's the only way to make sense.

But why would Tsuobone and Amane have to die if Killua wished for Illumi's death?

[Host Samurai]

Hmm yeah i think. That's the only way to make sense.

But why would Tsuobone and Amane have to die if Killua wished for Illumi's death?

Because Illumi would kill them through his needle men. Due to him trying to prevent Killua for taking the consequences of Alluka pesterings.

[ashher]

^ nah, i still don't get it. How would killing tsubone and the other girl would prevent killua from having to take the consequence of the next pesterings? In fact, from where exactly does the question of killua having to take any consequence come? If killua wished to kill illumi, then whoever came to alluka next to fulfill her pesterings would've been in trouble...not killua.

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The only way i can make sense out of it is that illumi had already ordered his needlemen to kill amane and tsubone and if killua killed illumi at the point, then they would've continued and killed the two ladies according to illumi's last command. But even this can't explain everything since tsubone and amane are nowhere near of being sure-to-die as illumi made it sound like, if they were only faced with a bunch of needlemen. They could easily run away, or might even win against needlemen if they fought.

[k-dom]

Really guys i don't understand how killua gotta make the wish when tsubone was the one who fulfilled the pesterings? any idea anyone?

That was also the case the first time we saw 'it' abilities and killua asked an upsy daisy. What i don't know if it's killua which is special or if it depend on the wish.
Also the fact that killua can wish several time in a raw is probably related to the command he was speaking about once.

[Ruhina]

Wow in the end the trio was in fact hopelessly weak, not just weak, but also dumb (as proven in the end). I'd guess Bushidora was 30 pts or so according to Hisoka's ranking, at best.

Wonder what the last rule is. It would certainly be something huge, but at least Illumi is off Killua for a while. I'm hoping for Gon's recovery by the end of the next chapter.

[Phantron]

Tsubone says they'll die because they'll take the pesterings as atonement for screwing up Killua's plan, which means the minimum two would be Amane + Tsubone since they know it's really hard to actually fulfill these requests. Of course if Killua really wished to kill Ilumi, it's going to take more than minimum 2 deaths so Killua probably isn't off the hook anyway. The danger is not from fighting Ilumi because none of the characters are faster than speed of sound that are present minus Killua, so he'll get his wish off on time no matter what Hisoka or Ilumi tried to do.

It'd appear Killua gets some kind of big brother discount for the information he hasn't revealed yet since it's implied it has to be him. If it's just something he knows, he technically could tell that to other people and at least he won't get needle in his head.

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Really guys i don't understand how killua gotta make the wish when tsubone was the one who fulfilled the pesterings? any idea anyone?

Because it'd violate their position of neutrality if Amane runs in and makes a wish. Not to mention Killua is the closest person, physically speaking, to Alluka. If anyone else tries to run up to Alluka, Killua will wish first anyway because he can't trust anyone else to make the wish too.

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And Morau being C rank Hunter makes his feats during the Ant arc even more impressive.

Whoa, that translation is really bad. Morel said he is a SEA Hunter, so don't count on him for fighting guys on land. Besides, he's being very modest the same way Netero says he's only as strong as Morel or Novu. He told Killua you've to fight as if you're going to win 100% of the time, no matter what. That said it's pretty clear his ability isn't meant to kill so he's obviously not the ideal candidate for something like this anyway. I mean seriously, he just fought the strongest guys on land in the last arc, maybe he just wants a break but I certainly don't see him as incapable for the task at hand. He didn't seem to like the fact that Killua was essentially selling out Ilumi, so I think he's one of those guys that thinks Hunters should just get to do whatever they want.

At any rate, in the Ant arc, even the Royals are something like 10 times physically stronger than the strongest human, so having abilities that kill is actually counterproductive since a fatal attack on the strongest human would only be a minor wound to them (Yupi's punch = instant kill on Knuckles even with a 10K aura buffer, equivalent of 5 Jajakens) so you need abilities that trap/weaken the opponent.

[k-dom]

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Because it'd violate their position of neutrality if Amane runs in and makes a wish. Not to mention Killua is the closest person, physically speaking, to Alluka. If anyone else tries to run up to Alluka, Killua will wish first anyway because he can't trust anyone else to make the wish too.
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Assher question was more about the fact that the one making the wish is not the one who fulfilled the pesterings

[ashher]

@ Phantron i wasn't exactly wondering about if anyone could outrun killua to make the wish. What i was saying was that i was under the impression that the person who has fulfilled the previous three pesterings of alluka is the only one who can make the wish. So tsubone should've been the only one who could wish something from alluka.

I think elitefox's explanation is the correct one in this case. Or it could be because of what K-dom said.

Also in MS version Tsubone said she and amane will handle the 'clean-up'...i didn't exactly understad what 'clean-up' meant...i thought she meant that they will handle the needlemen. But i think you are right now...Tsubone meant that she'll take the next pesterings...and die,along with her dearest person,who is amane probably.

[Phantron]

@ Phantron i wasn't exactly wondering about if anyone could outrun killua to make the wish. What i was saying was that i was under the impression that the person who has fulfilled the previous three pesterings of alluka is the only one who can make the wish. So tsubone should've been the only one who could wish something from alluka.

I think elitefox's explanation is the correct one in this case. Or it could be because of what K-dom said.

Also in MS version Tsubone said she and amane will handle the 'clean-up'...i didn't exactly understad what 'clean-up' meant...i thought she meant that they will handle the needlemen. But i think you are right now...Tsubone meant that she'll take the next pesterings...and die,along with her dearest person,who is amane probably.

No the wish can be anybody as long as it's not the last wisher. As mentioned before there is no sense of equality between the wisher and whoever takes the pestering which is why if you have no concern for other's live you can just make a big wish and let some random other guy die for you. The clean up refers to the fact that someone has to take the pesterings after whatever wish Killua made, because he needs to get the wish back again to save Gon. It's got nothing to do with fighting Ilumi because the wish can take out anybody easily, i.e. something like "Kill Ilumi and all his help" would get everyone for sure (including Hisoka), but the question is who pays the price for making that wish? That's why Tsubone volunteers to take the hit for the next set of pestering.

[ashher]

If anybody could make the wish as you are saying, then it would make no sense for killua to take the three pesterings before. Zoldycks' could've used some needlemen all the time to take the pesterings without risking their necks. Powerful, rich ppl would've used other ppl/servants to take the pesterings and then would come to make the wish safely. Also if just anybody could wish, then illumi shouldn't have wasted time telling killua to make the wish...instead of it, he himself could make a wish shouting first during the time killua remained in doubt to prevent killua from making any wish. In fact all the ppl around should've started screaming whenever three pesterings are fulfilled, we've seem nothing like that.

[k-dom]

I think illumi wanted to make sure that rule 5 did not apply to Killua for some reason

[Uriel]

I still think that what Killua used is the "command" and not a regular wish. When Alluka wakes up Tsubone will still have her desire.

[Phantron]

If anybody could make the wish as you are saying, then it would make no sense for killua to take the three pesterings before. Zoldycks' could've used some needlemen all the time to take the pesterings without risking their necks. Powerful, rich ppl would've used other ppl/servants to take the pesterings and then would come to make the wish safely. Also if just anybody could wish, then illumi shouldn't have wasted time telling killua to make the wish...instead of it, he himself could make a wish shouting first during the time killua remained in doubt to prevent killua from making any wish. In fact all the ppl around should've started screaming whenever three pesterings are fulfilled, we've seem nothing like that.

The whole point is that Killua doesn't want some random guy to die for him for him to get his wish. It's easy if you don't care about who lives, though the problem is that if you know thousands of guys are going to die, given Alluka's power seems to work off degree of separation you probably don't want to take too much chances. For example, if you think a million guys will die, you don't really know even if a random guy is somehow connected to you when the bodycount gets to 1 million.

So far as wishing for Alluka, there seems to be a clear indication that you've to be roughly next to her to make a wish or it'd be like Dragonballs where the first person to shout "Make me immortal!" wins. Also, if Ilumi wished for something like Alluka to die or whatever, he'd probably get hated by Killua forever and that's not what he wants. If there

[Ruhina]

Why would Illumi wish Alluka to die? All he needs to do is activate Kou in one hand then slice "her" to pieces. It would be more appropriate if he wished for "it" to die. Maybe that's where Killua will come in someday?

[Phantron]

Why would Illumi wish Alluka to die? All he needs to do is activate Kou in one hand then slice "her" to pieces. It would be more appropriate if he wished for "it" to die. Maybe that's where Killua will come in someday?

Presumably it takes more time to attack Alluka then the closest person to Alluka to wish for something that'd easily neutralize the attack, or the whole scene would make no sense whatsoever (just kill Alluka first). I'm guessing you can't just shout your wish from range either because otherwise there's any number of things Ilumi can wish for too that can solve the problem as well.

[shinobi]

Illumi played his part well, I like that interaction between him and Killua... and Hisoka's so awesome!! totally insane... he absolutely doesn't care about anyone,, the people's value to him is measured by how worthy of opponents they are and how much pleasure they may give him lolz.... still wonder how he and Illumi got in good terms with each other...

[kkck]

After seeing the chapter I get the mild impression that togashi deceived us as to the entire tone of this section of the arc. As killua is the only one who ever truly loved alluka he is the only one that truly understands her. He is the only one that ever made a non selfish wish contrary to his family. As either alluka loves killua deeply I get the impression that the rules do not quite apply the same to him. I think there is a rules along the lines of this : "if alluka really loves you you won't die from the pesterings". From the chapter it seems that there is reason for killua to fear to be turned into a needle man and that such a thing would allow control of alluka. From the chapter it seems that what killua fears is not just that alluka would get killed but also that his family would learn how to control her. Basically, killua is the actual key to controlling her obscene, almost infinite power.

[matan]

After seeing the chapter I get the mild impression that togashi deceived us as to the entire tone of this section of the arc. As killua is the only one who ever truly loved alluka he is the only one that truly understands her. He is the only one that ever made a non selfish wish contrary to his family. As either alluka loves killua deeply I get the impression that the rules do not quite apply the same to him. I think there is a rules along the lines of this : "if alluka really loves you you won't die from the pesterings". From the chapter it seems that there is reason for killua to fear to be turned into a needle man and that such a thing would allow control of alluka. From the chapter it seems that what killua fears is not just that alluka would get killed but also that his family would learn how to control her. Basically, killua is the actual key to controlling her obscene, almost infinite power.

nanika asking Killua if she did a good job was kinda adorable in a way.
That said, what would Alluka be without her brother's love?
If she didn't have Killua, and she lived in this horrible family would she be crueler, would she even have the pestering but just start killing everyone that refuses a request from her. We don't know if the rules we placed by nanika or killua himself put them there so he can restrict nanika's power. maybe we will understand everything if the last rule is revealed

[Uriel]

I think this was the worst discussion we ever had, guys. Shame on us. Chapter next week will come probably sooner, so stay tuned.

[joshua019]

Such a shame that everyone in z family thinks that nanika is evil.

[kkck]

I don't quite get the impression that they think nanika is evil but rather that she is uncontrollable and a hazard (they are not quite saints themselves). Killua was controllable, illumi became the murdered they wanted him to, kalluto is on his way too... Nanika in many ways is also something they could never use. Nanika is meant to heal, she is meant to do good for the world. As murderers there simply is no way they could have ever conceived such an use for her and frankly, with such an ability she does the family no good. How nanika ever came to be a part of the zoldyck family is beyond me, a quite cruel play of destiny lol.

[Uriel]

It's a power with multiple faces after all and the first thing they saw was instant disintegration. It's not weird that they thought Nanika was dangerous and evil.

[Sea Hunter]

I just re read the chapter (i thought spoilers will come out early this week :mad), i have to say Illumi puts Itachi to shame http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/82786759/10 with his twisted brotherly love.
Hisoka more badass every chapter lol decisions decisions... ♥

Btw Killua calling Alluka "it" instead of nanika is that a translation fault or did Togashi change the word?

What kind of rule would make everyone want to control Killua? maybe it's connected to the "command" he mentioned before, something like only Killua can use a command instead of wish which would grant him what he wanted wihout any sort of backlash, though it has to be restricted somehow like he can only make a command every 5 non-healing wishes or so.

What did Morau mean here http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/82786759/18 "you read the indroductions for the best 16" does that mean the hunters association has a top 20 hunters list or something?
Also Morau saying Terradin, bushidora and others are too weak to call themselves the seiren group means the original members are monsters and it gives me hope that we might see some of them :D

Lastly i really hope Pariston wins the election, it'll be alot more interesting that way :super

[Uriel]

I did not paid attention to that. It's in fact interesting (Top 16 I mean) although I doubt there is an original Seiren alive. I do expect to see those top 20 soon, it seems like it could be interesting. Zodiacs probably belongs to them anyway.
Too shame that those Hunters were weak, I liked them.

[Popo]

I just re read the chapter (i thought spoilers will come out early this week :mad), i have to say Illumi puts Itachi to shame http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/82786759/10 with his twisted brotherly love.
Hisoka more badass every chapter lol decisions decisions... ♥

Btw Killua calling Alluka "it" instead of nanika is that a translation fault or did Togashi change the word?

What kind of rule would make everyone want to control Killua? maybe it's connected to the "command" he mentioned before, something like only Killua can use a command instead of wish which would grant him what he wanted wihout any sort of backlash, though it has to be restricted somehow like he can only make a command every 5 non-healing wishes or so.

What did Morau mean here http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/82786759/18 "you read the indroductions for the best 16" does that mean the hunters association has a top 20 hunters list or something?
Also Morau saying Terradin, bushidora and others are too weak to call themselves the seiren group means the original members are monsters and it gives me hope that we might see some of them :D

Lastly i really hope Pariston wins the election, it'll be alot more interesting that way :super
Bad translations. Killua uses the word "Nanika" in Japanese. Also, Morel was referring to the broadcast at the beginning of 326.

[k-dom]

Not necessary bad translation. Nanika means "something" in Japanese but has no meaning in english. I think 'it' was a good choice of word, it has the neutrality nanika implies and is more clear than a japanese term few of us would understand. You loose the wordplay but gain in comprehension.

[Sea Hunter]

Bad translations. Killua uses the word "Nanika" in Japanese. Also, Morel was referring to the broadcast at the beginning of 326.

Ahh i see that makes sense.

@Uriel: About the original Seirin group, it wasn't mentioned that Netero belonged to it when he was at his prime, he might have formed/joined the group when he was old, remember even as an old man he was still a beast and a top tier fighter. I hope the Zodiacs arent in it, they were already mentioned as Netero's sparring partners so i'm thinking it's a different group.

[kkck]

Well, the nanika bit was already explained and if that was not enough a footnote could have helped. I disliked the "it" part too lol.

[hokageji]

Killa: " Go ahead and refer to it as a tool again, but you will cease to be my brother."

kinda contradict urself when u call her it..

[Sea Hunter]

Killa: " Go ahead and refer to it as a tool again, but you will cease to be my brother."

kinda contradict urself when u call her it..

No contradiction here. Killua always called the black-eyes-Alluka Nanika or it.

eh i forgot to ask, when Morau said he's a C hunter did he actually say sea hunter but translators typed it like that since it's the same pronunciation? or did Togashi just introduce new ranks for hunters other than stars? /confused

[elitefox]

I did not paid attention to that. It's in fact interesting (Top 16 I mean) although I doubt there is an original Seiren alive. I do expect to see those top 20 soon, it seems like it could be interesting. Zodiacs probably belongs to them anyway.
Too shame that those Hunters were weak, I liked them.

Maybe they aren't weak, it is just Hisoka is too strong :hee

[Zvane]

Ok...so, I'm new here, but I've been following the manga forever heh

Well, about Alluka...I don't think Killua gave "Nanika/It" a command, cause when Tsubone completed the 3 pesterings she said to Killua to speak his wish (it doesn't seem like Alluka grants wishes to the person who completed the pesterings, but to anyone who wished in front of It when it's eyes turn black). Tsubone doens't know about the "commands" so we can easily assume it was actually a "wish". Besides, Killua was about to give an order to Nanika before Tsubone appeared so we can easily say that "commands" don't have pesterings.
Also, we should remember that Killua, when escaping with Alluka, made a wish to kill his mother if they didn't leave the mountain after 30 minutes, but he never said "wish", but still, it was a wish.

I think that Illumi, after Alluka's pesterings have been completed, didn't wish simply because he's scared about killing his own family if he wishes wrong, so he chose to let Killua wish, and if he ended up dead, he'd be glad to live as a memory inside Killua's mind.

We should remember that, if the secret rule about Killua is something in the lines of "the one I love the most will have anything granted if he orders me so" Illumi will plant needles on Killua's brain to control him (let's not forget that he is a manipulation nen user) and so, control Alluka's power. About taking out the needle....don't forget it took him a lot to do that, so I wouldn't expect him to do it every time, he was driven by his emotions the first time.

Well, let's see what happens next, because...it's been a while and I wanna know what's going to happen with the chairman's election

[Federicoxxx]

Short prediction:

I think , <-- (Comma) Pariston is planning something really big. <--(Period)

Edited for "LoS" (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/74370-Hunter-x-Hunter-Chapter-331-Spoiler-Thread?p=2736967&viewfull=1#post2736967)

[Uriel]

Maybe they aren't weak, it is just Hisoka is too strong :hee
lol, probably. If Hisoka doesn't win the best villain I will be mad. He maybe lacks of background, but He still is the Chuck Norris of HxH.

Short prediction:
I think , <-- (Comma) Pariston is planning something really big. <--(Period)
Edited for "LoS" (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/74370-Hunter-x-Hunter-Chapter-331-Spoiler-Thread?p=2736967&viewfull=1#post2736967)
The comma there is unneeded. :D And please, don't fight over grammar. Both of you.

Ok...so, I'm new here, but I've been following the manga forever heh
Welcome! It's nice to see Argentinians here. :D

Well, about Alluka...I don't think Killua gave "Nanika/It" a command, cause when Tsubone completed the 3 pesterings she said to Killua to speak his wish (it doesn't seem like Alluka grants wishes to the person who completed the pesterings, but to anyone who wished in front of It when it's eyes turn black). Tsubone doens't know about the "commands" so we can easily assume it was actually a "wish". Besides, Killua was about to give an order to Nanika before Tsubone appeared so we can easily say that "commands" don't have pesterings.
Also, we should remember that Killua, when escaping with Alluka, made a wish to kill his mother if they didn't leave the mountain after 30 minutes, but he never said "wish", but still, it was a wish.
That's quite plausible, actually. Thing is I still have my doubts, because if that's the case Illumi would know about it and take advantage of the situation. So you think the "command" is still available?

[Zvane]

Welcome! It's nice to see Argentinians here. :D

Thanks, I can say the same thing to you hehe


That's quite plausible, actually. Thing is I still have my doubts, because if that's the case Illumi would know about it and take advantage of the situation. So you think the "command" is still available?

Yes, I think evidence so far shows that the "command" is still available, Killua was about to give the command to Nanika just before Tsubone appeared. It was made vaery clear by Milluki at the beginning of the arc, that the Zoldicks only know 5 rules about Alluka's abilities, and they recently learned a 6th one about using It for healing.

I don't think Illumi would dare using Alluka's power, because it frightens him, to the point that he's willing to kill his own brother in order to protect his family (twisted but nice huh?), plus, it was way better for him trying to make Killua kill him (as he stated, he would live forever inside Killua's heart)