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Leen
February 23, 2006, 11:13 AM
Here is the 296 goodies.

296 RAW/Translation/Scanlation Thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=1439.0)

Yamato finally revealed the obedience jutsu to turn Naruto back to normal while Sai is plotting his own game with Orochimaru worrying about time running out on his side.

Next chapter : A violent battle...the last scene... With this ending, this man moves. What are his intentions!?
                         An injured Naruto! An uneasy Sai!? And...! Next Time, Betrayal..

What will happen? When will it end? What is the meaning behind this?

Predict away!!


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NeoSapien
February 23, 2006, 12:18 PM
Yamato's wood bunshin (remember it?) spies on Sai and Orochimaru's conversation. If Kishimoto is nice, we'll get to hear it; if not, we'll be left in the dark even longer. Yamato may flash back to his time in the bush spying on Sai.

Remus
February 23, 2006, 12:52 PM
It was obvious that Sai would contact Orochimaru. Since Sai's Master is a war-hungry ninja and under Oro's reign Konoha would fight a lot of wars to gain Jutsu etc.
I predict that nothing great in way of action will happen but we will here some serious story advancing facts.

KRNseraphim
February 23, 2006, 02:09 PM
so sai is actually there to converse with orochimaru -_-;; interesting...i hope orochimaru kills him...and whats orochimaru talking about his body being rejected or something does that mean he's gotta switch into a new body? i'm guessing we'll hear more about sais story and why he's there...i hope we hear his mission cuz it'll be cool...i'm guessing its to give that paper to orochimaru that, that roots member gave him iono maybe its another attempt to destroy konoha

lexiefaye
February 23, 2006, 02:12 PM
This Sai mission puts all sai's traitor comments about Sasuke going to Orochimaru in a different perspective ...

venicia777
February 23, 2006, 02:26 PM
This Sai mission puts all sai's traitor comments about Sasuke going to Orochimaru in a different perspective ...


yeah!!! isnt he a double crosser- Or rather a smaller Orochimaru. It was a good way to hide his real intentions. i am guessing/prediciting Yamatos clone is still near where Oro and Sai are. So he has to over hear the conversation. and if Yamato is a double agent like Sai is now he will also tell Godaime of Danzous plans. but of course then the plot will all come back to where it was!!

Ooinaru
February 23, 2006, 02:28 PM
Hmm, Betrayal... Kinda makes Sai stand out like a bigger @-h**e than i would have thought... :darn

hayatehayabusa
February 23, 2006, 02:31 PM
i think betrayal means kabuto and not sai, it'll be a crazy twist if sai starts to attack orochimaru. then kabuto helps?????? lmao. what a crazy prediciton i have. but seriously what do you think danzou wants with oro

donkeyhigh
February 23, 2006, 02:36 PM
Sai = Orochimarus bitch?

Hehe, I love it how he smiles whenever greeting someone, be them bad or nice, he still smiles :D

Gotta give him atleast SOME credit for that :D I mean.. he read it.. so it has to be right :D



Kabuto didn't want to hurt Sakura, he rather wanted her to live in order to kill some of the Akutski dudes..
Also, if you remember back to the Neji VS Naruto fight, he saved Hinatas life, or atleast fixed her :)

So he might be some kind of good-guy on a very secret secret über-double-mission..
First acted as a Akutski-spy that converted into Orochimaru in order to get his trust, and then revealed himself as a oldschool Konoha-agent :D

MABY THAT'S WHAT SAI'S GONNA TELL OROCHIMARU?!

Sai:                          "Hey dude, that bitch you be running around with is a spy from Konoha, and wants to killz0r j00.."
Orochimaru:            "Oh, heh, I knew he was a spy from Akutsku, but Konoha too? Oh well.. thanks kid.."
Sai:                         *smiles* "No problemo playah playah!"
Kabuto:                   "Hey Naruto, let's get crackin' "
Naruto:                   "w00t?"
Sakura:                        "Naruto, Imma gonna fix j00 up"     *starts healing*
Kabuto:                    "Amagawd n00b, you're doin' it all wrong, here, lets me.."      *takes over*
Sakura:                    "10-4"         *smacks Orochimaru*
Orochimaru:              "AAH! TSUNADE-BIATCH-WANNABE!"
Sakura:                     "Fo sho"       *flashes boobs*
Naruto:                    "Must.. memorize.... for... Sexy....no....Jutsu... ... Will.... make... Ero...-senin....happy..." *passes out*
Kabuto:                    "Damn n00bs.."
Orochimaru:              "I think I've just found my new body-container! That's some nice titties!" *smiles/licks his mouth*
Yamato:                     "God damn Three Legendary Nin perverts.."





And so forth.. God damn I have to stop writing things I think..

ophidial
February 23, 2006, 02:56 PM
well sai is really just following orders. he is after all a tool. (in both senses)
whether or not he actually agrees with the plan is a different matter. i don't think kishi
spent so much time talking about fake smiles and all for a straight foward betrayal.
ok enough defending sai... not healthy

and kabuto healing sakura, i think most people will agree that kabuto has a different
agenda than oro. He seems to have something against the akatsuki, which may explain his
allegance to oro. i can't explain the healing hinata part though... maby he is inherently good
but he is willing to sacrifice lives in order to achieve his goals and be seen to remain on oros
side...?

nb. can't wait to the next chapter!!


And so forth.. God damn I have to stop writing things I think..
EDIT. hehe, pjoto, what you write may cause us to doubt your sanity nut at least we get a laugh or
two out of it :p

Ooinaru
February 23, 2006, 02:57 PM
Danzou probably misses oro and wants to have tea with him (with spesial homebrewed sleepingpowder no jutsu), then he will assrape oro for info and make oro sai's bitch! Pwned!

Seriously though, maybe Sai's mission is to arrange a secret meeting between oro and danzou (to discuss something.... crap, I dunno)

lentharius
February 23, 2006, 03:09 PM
i think betrayal means kabuto and not sai, it'll be a crazy twist if sai starts to attack orochimaru. then kabuto helps?????? lmao. what a crazy prediciton i have. but seriously what do you think danzou wants with oro

I was assuming the betrayal part was refering to Sai betraying Konoha, not Orochimaru

hayatehayabusa
February 23, 2006, 03:10 PM
danzou will be like orochimaru, take sai's body, come back with team 7 to konoha, we'll wreck shit. and orochimaru will eat sai's head and that will be the end of that. lol. kabuto might last a little longer than orochimaru, but he will die before akatsuki.

ItsMrJedi
February 23, 2006, 05:45 PM
Think about the following:

How did Danzou know that Oro was also on the bridge ?
The mission was to meet with the Akatsuki spy and bring him back to Konoha, Oro. was not to be expected there.

I ask myself, what Sai would do if Oro was not on the bridge ?

Ooinaru
February 23, 2006, 06:10 PM
It seems that Sai already knew that Orochimaru would be there, why would he else approach him like that? =P

fulgas
February 23, 2006, 06:24 PM
just a guess... won't be suprising that oro would take sai body instead of sasuke.... since time is almost up and sasuke wouldn't allow oro to take his body ( i think)

sup

fulgas

odlam
February 23, 2006, 06:25 PM
Sai knew that they were looking to encounter Orochimaru and Sasuke - Sai's mission was most likley to accompany and Naruto until he could get a message safely across to Oro.

Remus
February 23, 2006, 06:59 PM
I guess Oro will try to get Yamatos body.
Since his current body is crushed and he needs one badly.
He wont take Kabuto because he needs him and the others wouldnt be special to him.
I hope that he is not going to take over Sai's body because Sai+Oro=uber gay.
Oro likes children and Sai dresses like a faggot.
Let's just hope something awesome happens.

maggi
February 23, 2006, 07:54 PM
we'll i like the chapter 296 and i knew it that sakura was gonna try to stop naruto. anyways, i guess naruto is gonna be very damage, sai is gonna give orochimaru imformation or it depens in what his sensei had told him. sakura is gonna take care of naruto while yamato and kabuto are gonna go and try to stop orochimaru :amuse. then sai and orochimaru are gonna talk then he's gonna say something that is gonna surprise us and then the chapter is gonna end. :shannaro yeah well then we're gonna have to wait anothe week. :scry anyways good luck i have internet. :ffwub

kadoman
February 23, 2006, 08:16 PM
I dunno...this 'common goal' between Konoha and Oro/Kabuto makes me think that in the future, Oro may side with Konoha in order to defeat Akatsuki.

This also makes me wonder if Sai and his lot will eventually side with Akatsuki...

devo
February 23, 2006, 09:07 PM
I dunno...this 'common goal' between Konoha and Oro/Kabuto makes me think that in the future, Oro may side with Konoha in order to defeat Akatsuki.

This also makes me wonder if Sai and his lot will eventually side with Akatsuki...


I agree on the first part. However, I think Sai will sweeten the deal, telling Orochimaru that, should he agree to assist Konoha in the fight against Akatsuki, Konoha will cease their pursuit of Uchiha Sasuke.

Of course, the only people who have knowledge of that deal would be Danzou and perhaps Tsunade's two advisors (whose names escape me).

Substance
February 23, 2006, 09:28 PM
maybe he will take Yamato's body because he indeed has genes of the first, and with his body he can control naruto and others sooooooooooo blah i lost what i was going to say =/

C4animax
February 23, 2006, 09:58 PM
maybe he will take Yamato's body because he indeed has genes of the first, and with his body he can control naruto and others sooooooooooo blah i lost what i was going to say =/
Nah he waited 3 years to have sasuke's body, he has no longer the strengh to fight, he said it himself!!!

frizbee1
February 23, 2006, 10:42 PM
Danzou has no love for the 3rd or Tsunade. Another assination attempt maybe in the works with Root and Oro allience. I do think there is a lot more to this that meets the eye. Kabuto maybe lowering Yamato's defences to capture him?

sangai
February 24, 2006, 02:53 AM
a lil dissapointed to see kabuto once again healing a konoha member, its funny...it's like who the hell is he really workin for, honestly i think he is still in control of the akatsuki and he wants naruto alive, im honestly starting to think he might be tobi or something....not sure...

but considering how this chapter ended ima say that orochimaru is goin to attempt his body change, since the current one is rejecting him...*does this mean that the old personality is fighting him*) (*or that my previous theory that people with blood line limits make it either impossible or very difficult for oro to hold the body, if not fail at the attempt to transfer bodies..* i.e maybe perhaps he failed on kimimaro..and made kimimaro sick cause of it , tahts why he diedzors*).....but we will see sasuke in chapter 300 more then likely...


as for naruto and sakura part when naruto regains conciousness he will ask what happened...if he hurt anyone, he will see sakura look at him..a look of hurt and fear in her eyes.....feelin dissapointed in himself...he takes off into the brush , attempting to chase oro or something...as for kabuto he is captured by yamato there won't be escape this time....


sai's mission with orochimaru is to offer orochimaru a place back in konoha if he obtains a new body for danzou...or something liek that.

mageofdeath
February 24, 2006, 04:44 AM
I have a feeling that yamato's moku bunshin will get to spy on sai and oro, and sai will see it (he is a very talented ninja) and will try to kill yamato to cover his tracks...

odlam
February 24, 2006, 04:53 AM
Ya, I think were in for some dialogue heavy chapters that really progress the plot after this giant fight

Next chapter will probably be a combination of the real Yamato and Sakura caring for Naruto as Yamato finishes powering him down, and the bunshin Yamato spying on Orochimaru and Sai making a deal.

I dont think its going to be Sai that spots the fake Yamato, but rather Kabuto as hes returning to Oro's location.

Crimson
February 24, 2006, 05:49 AM
Regardless of what truly ends up happening, were finally getting some answers next chapter for sure (and more than likely far more accompanying questions). Next Thursday seems like forever...

DMNK
February 24, 2006, 06:33 AM
what caught my attention was kabuto calling it a fight between fellow monsters

I mean it sounds like he's insinuating something there besides the fact that orochimaru is eww, eh?

akahigi
February 24, 2006, 07:03 AM
lol i think sai is gonna discuss with Orochimaru about allegiance with Konoha against Akatsuki as Konoha do not wish Akatsuki to get hold of naruto nor did they want an invasion from them(looks what happened to the Sand), it will be the Danzou's idea and Tsunade properly wasnt informed.
In this way, they can keep track of sasuke too.

Yassy
February 24, 2006, 08:40 AM
Actually, I dont think the mission that has been assigned to Sai is related to Akatsuki, although I took it into consideration that Orochimaru joins forces with Konoha againts Akatsuki who seem to be the main villains in this series, but it wont happen that way, they will help each other separately to finish off Akatsuki, not together, since Orochimaru shares "interests" witch Konoha wont accept to go by.

I think we are forgetting something, Danzou is similar to Orochimaru, they both competed over the Hokage title, and they both lost and still hold a grudge againts Konoha, so the discussion between Sai and Orochimaru could be about helping each other to destroy Konoha, Danzou is the inner man that gives Orochimaru details about they're military forces and how they secure Konoha againts invasions. The way Sai confronted Orochimaru explained alot.

Naruto will just be lost, thinking what happened, while Sakura comforts him, and Sai continues his discussion with Orochimaru, Kabuto listens in with them, Yamato's bunshin will reveal the secret to the group, Naruto hates himself for hurting Sakura twice, since he is the one that prevents her from being hurt, he wont be taking that lightly, Sai will fill Naruto on everything he has done, Naruto and Sai fight it out.

live4ever
February 24, 2006, 11:05 AM
Ahh, it'll be good tol look forward to the return of Kage bunshins and a Rasengan to end it then ;) *if Sai comes back and talks shit to naruto*

hokagenaruto3
February 24, 2006, 11:36 AM
Actually, I dont think the mission that has been assigned to Sai is related to Akatsuki, although I took it into consideration that Orochimaru joins forces with Konoha againts Akatsuki who seem to be the main villains in this series, but it wont happen that way, they will help each other separately to finish off Akatsuki, not together, since Orochimaru shares "interests" witch Konoha wont accept to go by.

I think we are forgetting something, Danzou is similar to Orochimaru, they both competed over the Hokage title, and they both lost and still hold a grudge againts Konoha, so the discussion between Sai and Orochimaru could be about helping each other to destroy Konoha, Danzou is the inner man that gives Orochimaru details about they're military forces and how they secure Konoha againts invasions. The way Sai confronted Orochimaru explained alot.

Naruto will just be lost, thinking what happened, while Sakura comforts him, and Sai continues his discussion with Orochimaru, Kabuto listens in with them, Yamato's bunshin will reveal the secret to the group, Naruto hates himself for hurting Sakura twice, since he is the one that prevents her from being hurt, he wont be taking that lightly, Sai will fill Naruto on everything he has done, Naruto and Sai fight it out.




No, Danzou doesn't hold a grudge againstg Konoha at all. His own organisation are kind of like the special forces of the Leaf. They are hawks.
That means that they will want Konoha to become stronger, no matter what. They will want a more aggressive policy (war) and either Orochimaru or Danzou as the Hokage.

"Doesn't matter if the cat is white or yellow, as long as he catches mice".

acidhusky
February 24, 2006, 12:23 PM
Sai = Orochimarus bitch?

Hehe, I love it how he smiles whenever greeting someone, be them bad or nice, he still smiles :D

Gotta give him atleast SOME credit for that :D I mean.. he read it.. so it has to be right :D



Kabuto didn't want to hurt Sakura, he rather wanted her to live in order to kill some of the Akutski dudes..
Also, if you remember back to the Neji VS Naruto fight, he saved Hinatas life, or atleast fixed her :)

So he might be some kind of good-guy on a very secret secret über-double-mission..
First acted as a Akutski-spy that converted into Orochimaru in order to get his trust, and then revealed himself as a oldschool Konoha-agent :D

MABY THAT'S WHAT SAI'S GONNA TELL OROCHIMARU?!

Sai:                          "Hey dude, that bitch you be running around with is a spy from Konoha, and wants to killz0r j00.."
Orochimaru:            "Oh, heh, I knew he was a spy from Akutsku, but Konoha too? Oh well.. thanks kid.."
Sai:                         *smiles* "No problemo playah playah!"
Kabuto:                   "Hey Naruto, let's get crackin' "
Naruto:                   "w00t?"
Sakura:                        "Naruto, Imma gonna fix j00 up"     *starts healing*
Kabuto:                    "Amagawd n00b, you're doin' it all wrong, here, lets me.."      *takes over*
Sakura:                    "10-4"          *smacks Orochimaru*
Orochimaru:              "AAH! TSUNADE-BIATCH-WANNABE!"
Sakura:                     "Fo sho"       *flashes boobs*
Naruto:                    "Must.. memorize.... for... Sexy....no....Jutsu... ... Will.... make... Ero...-senin....happy..." *passes out*
Kabuto:                    "Damn n00bs.."
Orochimaru:              "I think I've just found my new body-container! That's some nice titties!" *smiles/licks his mouth*
Yamato:                     "God damn Three Legendary Nin perverts.."





And so forth.. God damn I have to stop writing things I think..


dear god...XD i laughed while i read this

Yassy
February 24, 2006, 12:26 PM
Not everything is what it seems, but we can all just assume things for now, until something happens.

He didn't like Sandaime, and he does not like Godaime, But if he is sorting an alliance with Orochimaru, I think he does have something againts Konoha, But I was just looking at what Orochimaru and Danzou have in common.

acidhusky
February 24, 2006, 12:37 PM
Think about the following:

How did Danzou know that Oro was also on the bridge ?
The mission was to meet with the Akatsuki spy and bring him back to Konoha, Oro. was not to be expected there.

I ask myself, what Sai would do if Oro was not on the bridge ?


Wasn't he added as the new team member or just for that specific mission? I mean, if he was added as the new team member until Sasuke comes back then the chances of meeting Orochimaru would be geater. Uhh...yea? XD

I like the idea of Naruto being consious, but all his freakin' blood was covering him, i don't think he'll be consious for like a few days. Even though he'd heal fast, I don't think he'd be able to move for a while after that.

Kojiro Ganryu Sasaki
February 24, 2006, 12:43 PM
Wasn't he added as the new team member or just for that specific mission? I mean, if he was added as the new team member until Sasuke comes back then the chances of meeting Orochimaru would be geater. Uhh...yea? XD

I like the idea of Naruto being consious, but all his freakin' blood was covering him, i don't think he'll be consious for like a few days. Even though he'd heal fast, I don't think he'd be able to move for a while after that.


Uh oh. It's starting to look more and more probable that Naruto will get into some deep shit for this. Especially since he's unable to defend himself, Danzou might influence the incompetent council to decide to imprison Naruto or something.

xallisto
February 24, 2006, 12:56 PM
I think that Naruto will leave the village soon, since he will realise that he is too much of a danger to the people around him.

i thik it will be very ironic that Sasuke leaves because he seeks power and Naruto leaves because he dosent want the power he does have :)

Yassy
February 24, 2006, 01:04 PM
Naruto will leave the village realising he is a danger to all the people he loves and later on joins Akatsuki, in one condition, he fights for them, but does not give his Bijuu away.

Hah?

Predator
February 24, 2006, 01:51 PM
I think that Naruto will leave the village soon, since he will realise that he is too much of a danger to the people around him.

i thik it will be very ironic that Sasuke leaves because he seeks power and Naruto leaves because he dosent want the power he does have :)


Yeah right, and Sakura starts to gamble. Does remind me of the Sannin team. I admit that Naruto will be angry at himself for hurting his own teammates, but not that much to leave the village. Plus, who would let him do that?

The next chapter is pure plot moving part. Because of Sai's tricks everyone seems to have forgotten that still the next clue hasn't yet been given.

enzomars
February 24, 2006, 01:58 PM
Next chapter: No more secrets ( gosh how many unresolved mistery could it possibily be in a manga, that's enougth ),
the message is going to be clearly explained.
I think Sai is not trying to trick Orochi, to punch him later. By mentioning Danzou's name he made it all clear.

I remember my first impression when i first saw Sai ( what the hell is he? A robot no jutsu? ). So maybe he was grown by Danzou to be Orochi's container.

Or maybe it's gonna be someth like " I will not tolerate traitors, so i send this guy to kill you. So long sucker". ( less probable, Sai can't be this strong ).

So my Predictions: more explanations comin soon

xallisto
February 24, 2006, 02:18 PM
Yeah right, and Sakura starts to gamble. Does remind me of the Sannin team. I admit that Naruto will be angry at himself for hurting his own teammates, but not that much to leave the village. Plus, who would let him do that?

The next chapter is pure plot moving part. Because of Sai's tricks everyone seems to have forgotten that still the next clue hasn't yet been given.


I didnt mean literally in the next chapter i meant in the future a few more outbreaks and he wont have a choice.

ItsMrJedi
February 24, 2006, 02:23 PM
Chapter 296 ends with "betrayal", so a betrayal will happen in the next episode, but about what then ??

If we think about it....Sai didnt like Sasuke, coz he was a traitor, this gives an indication that Danzou wont betray Konoha. There was also a similar indicaton on the manga which stated that the 'root' organisation was an invisible force that protects Konoha from the underground. So Sai's talk is definatelly some business talk which is in advantage of Danzou as well as Oro.

We just have to see what Danzou has to offer Oro and what he wants from Oro.

enzomars
February 24, 2006, 02:32 PM
Sai didnt like Sasuke, coz he was a traitor, this gives an indication that Danzou wont betray Konoha. There was also a similar indicaton on the manga which stated that the 'root' organisation was an invisible force that protects Konoha from the underground

So Sai's talk is definatelly some business talk which is in advantage of Danzou as well as Oro.



Great!
I like the idea. That makes sense.

Now what business could it probably be? Any idea?

theuop
February 24, 2006, 03:37 PM
from the indication at the beggining of the chapter with sai, not having emotions and,,now he is smiling at oro seems to me like sai is gonna hit oro with some shit......

kadoman
February 24, 2006, 03:48 PM
Chapter 296 ends with "betrayal", so a betrayal will happen in the next episode, but about what then ??



Might not the betrayal come from Sai? He's been a shifty character the entire time. I think perhaps he wants to ally himself with Oro. Either that, or he will pretend to ally himself with Oro and then betray him by siding with the Akatsuki.

Or else, the betrayal could come from Kabuto who finally turns against Oro. Unlikey, I suppose, but we're never 100% certain where Kabuto's loyalties are really at.

Ifuritas-fan
February 24, 2006, 04:21 PM
New developments in the story... that's what we've got with the ending of last chapter.

KN4 is clearly of a level of power to challenge even the Sannin. Now, that said, since we don't know the full limits of Oro's power, or whether KN4 was held back by Naruto to some degree or not against Jiraiya... we don't have a clean measure, but it's still impressive.

Oro's immortality jutsu-we've learned so much about it, but what we have learned only rasises more questions... Well played by Kishimoto, well played indeed.

Sai's mission - more on this below.

Wow! All I can say is this, we've been blessed with a run of awsome chapters. We should be duely greatful.

Now, predictions and rationals.

Sai's mission:
YES! weeks ago, when Sai was first introduced, I stated plainly that I was sure that his mission had something to do with him meeting the spy, and then going to the Hidden Sound village to deliver his "gift" from the root. That prediction has come to fruition. I later refined my statement saying that the mission was some form of truce that would allow the sound ninjas to once more attend the Chuunin exam. That said, I take a great deal of exception to the claims of some people here now stating that this truce mission was somehow "obvious". If it was so damn obvious, why didn't you step up and make the prediction? *got that out of my system*
i was even told at one point "why would orochimaru accept a truce that he doesn't need?" and told that my theory was "far fetched"... ha!
Anyway, I still stand by my prediction that Sais' mission is to deliver a letter to Orochimaru. The contents of that letter I will explain below.

The reason for Sai coming on this mission was very very simple. He was to meet the spy, capture him or her, and find out the location of the Hidden Sound Village, or ghost after the spy (meaning to follow him from a hidden position), and go to meet with Orochimaru or one of the sound village's other leaders. This was the first real lead that the leaf has had on how to find the hidden sound village, so it seemed logical.
The question is, to what end?
Well, here's where the contents of Sais' gift come into play. I believe that Sai's gift is a letter simular to the one sent to the Kazekage back in vol 11 chapter 97 (I think it was chapter 97... I could be mistaken... but it was definately in vol 11) In that chapter we saw Baki meeting the Kazekage and being shown a letter from the Konoha council, detailing the forces that the hidden sand village could bring to the chuunin exam. It seems logical that if Sai's mission is a peaceful one, that is what this is. The reason being is that the state of war between the sound and leaf has kept the sounds nins from advancing since they are excluded from the Konoha chuunin exams. As a result, there may well be pressure on both parties from the Daimyo's to settle their differences and re-establish normalized relations. If we see Sai pull out a letter next chapter, then we will be gifted with an arrival deadline for Sasuke in the Manga... which would be for the next exam which should be coming up VERY soon.
We may well see a team of Sasuke, Kabuto, and some other ninja... since neither Kabuto or Sasuke have technically advanced beyond gennin officially.

Likewise, Kishimoto basically hit us all over the head at the start of Part 2 with telling us about the next exam coming up, as well as Naruto's never having advanced. It just seems like it was set up for this from the begining. Why else would he even bring such things up unless they would prove important later?

Conversely, Lexi brings up an excellent theory as well... and one that I think is possibly right on the money as well... That Sai's mission is to assassinate Orochimaru in a suicide type mission... and that the gift he was given was somehow part of it. If Sai's mission is unfriendly, I say Lexi's got this nailed on the head.

Now the theory that he's gonna join Oro, or that he and the root are traitors to the leaf... No, sir. I dont buy it.

Sai's comments about Sasuke being a traitor are critical in understanding this.
A traitor does not see themselves as a traitor. They see themselves as being loyal, just to the other side.
So Sai calling Sasuke a traitor does not fit with the mentality of a traitor at all... because if they were seeking an alliance with Oro, they're not traitors... they're loyal to their own side. So because of his attitude toward Sasuke, I don't think that this mission is an alliance with Oro at all if the alliance does not also help the leaf as a whole. The root is a secret group because they don't have widespread support, they know this, that's why they are secret. So while they might seek to sway opinion, they'll never seek harm for the leaf. However, this could be a way to lure Orochimaru in, make him think that he can attack the leaf again... and then crush him when he betrays the peace of the exam.

Sai's delivering such a message of peace to Orochimaru could well be seen a s the council "betraying" Tsunade... and hence be the betrayal that was hinted at at the end of this last chapter.


As to the idea that Naruto will get caged? Why is it that I keep hearing this theme of him being captured/imprisoned? I think it may be because a lot of the same people predicting this caged naruto theory are the same ones that predicted that the Akatsuki would swoop in, capture naruto, toss him in a cage... and run off with him... forcing Sasuke to rescue Naruto.

It seems to me that this is more an attempt to perpetuate the failed prediction of "Sasuke rescues Naruto from the akatsuki" idea than it is a prediction about what is logically going to happen. It's just been repackaed as Naruto gets captured and imprisoned by Konoha.
*sigh*
I'm sorry peoplem Naruto will never be caged or held prisoner by the leaf, simply because he's got Tsunade, Jiraiya, and a ton of other high powered and influential people in his corner... It's just NOT gonna happen.

Besides, he just beat Orochimaru. This will get out. Do you think anyone would want to piss of Naruto by trying to shakle him at this point? If he'd killed Oro, they'd be measuring the mountain now for where they'd be adding his face in a few years. I understand that you want Sasuke back.. so do I... but we gotta be patient people. The time is rapidly approaching, and if my theory on the chuunin exam is true, we'll have all the Sasuke action we could ever want... plus we'd get to see Naruto and Sauske square off in the match they've always wanted, only Naruto won't be able to go all Kyuubi 4 tails on him. He'd be shut down tute suite if he tried.

The best thing is, if my chuunin exam prediction is right, it'll be a test of skill, ninjutsu, and tactics. Not brute force... We'll even get a chance to see what jutsu's Naruto and Sasuke have each learned.

Kojiro Ganryu Sasaki
February 24, 2006, 04:37 PM
As to the idea that Naruto will get caged? Why is it that I keep hearing this theme of him being captured/imprisoned?

I never mentioned any speculation to WHY or even HOW. My suspicion is that with Danzou being able to manipulate stuff inside Konoha, they're going to in either way somehow mess up for Tsunade or team Yamato/Kakashi. I'm sure it's going to turn out okay after some other interference, but i still believe that Danzou will do SOMETHING against these. Something which won't be a direct physical attack, but something that will either mess up their trust within Konoha.

Naruto getting "imprisoned" was just an alternative. I'm more leaning towards having Tsunade fired, though.

enzomars
February 24, 2006, 05:32 PM
Chuunin exam he?!

And Sasuke will be part of it?

1- I don't think there's any Hidden Sound village left ( according to the anime's fillars )
Seems like Oro was always moving from place to place with a few group of men (or maybe just the 3 of them S+K+O)
since Sasuke joined him.
+ No signe of anyone wearing the sound's forehead protector ( but that could be for discretion reasons that Kabuto's not wearing
his, but wait if it was Oro's plan to kick Sasori's ass ,he didn't have to be so discret) in the last chapters.

So if there's still an army of Oro's servitors out there, they're no longer organized has an official "hidden village".
+ i don't see how a bunch of guys always in the move could possibly represent a village.
For me : No formal village --> No invitation.

2- Is Danzou's job to send invitations for the Chuunin exam? Has he something to say about administration stuff in
Konoha? I don't think so. So how could he take such decision without the official green light of the council an the Hokage?
Even if he did send any invitation, such an invitation is just worthless an illegal.

3- Seems like we've forgot that Oro is running out of time ( need body transfer pretty soon ). So is he going to wait while Sasuke's
playing in the forest of death for the next 3 weeks. Will Sasuke agree to give him his body before he himself kills Itachi? So Sasuke's
priotity is rather Itachi than any wasting time chuunin exam.

4- Suppose Sasuke take part in the new exam. What if he get his ass kicked by someone? He'll go "damn i'm not strong enougth, got to
traine 3 more years ". Off course Oro's gonna agree with that ,after all he's patient :noworry.


I don't want any more chapter wasted. I want some that brings new lights on all those dark, unanswered questions (just my opinion :p ).

Oro - Sasu 's deal is near the end so there should be some Sasuke - Itachi actions soon.

To show the characters new moves, there's still plenty of fights comin' , so why spoile them by showin' them during that exam?

But if Kishimoto said so .... what can i do?


PS: don't tell me that the anime doesn't count ( which would means Anko's past is all but fantasy, Inata didn't develop her own new
fighting style and so and so ...)

devo
February 24, 2006, 05:36 PM
from the indication at the beggining of the chapter with sai, not having emotions and,,now he is smiling at oro seems to me like sai is gonna hit oro with some shit......


That would be really cool, actually. Sai acts friendly towards Orochimaru and then surprises him with his Snake Beast Mimic jutsu. As a surprised Orochimaru tries to escape, Sai tells him that he just recently learned how to disarm people with a smile.

Raikage
February 24, 2006, 05:45 PM
Heh, I just hopes Sai shows all those Anti-Sai that he could do more than just draw. Trained to kill mercilessley and then granted a mission to relay a message to Orochimaru personaly. W00t, I smell and sense some pwnage. *Prays for Sai vs. Kabuto*

Ifuritas-fan
February 24, 2006, 05:56 PM
Just as a public service announcement

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Snake1786
February 24, 2006, 07:22 PM
man that was an awesome chapter. In the next chapter maybe sakura die????????????? :amuse :amuse

Crimson
February 24, 2006, 07:46 PM
Hmm.. Id have to say I disagree with some of these ideas, but I wont put it past Kishi to suprise us at this point. ANYTHING can happen. IMO though, and especially considering the backhistory Danzou was given, killing Oro wouldnt benefit him right now. Right now if anything, he wants power, as well as wants to prevent other ninja villages or organizations (i.e.Akatsuki) from gaining such powers (hence why he doesnt want Naruto going on missions). Hes a warhawk, Kishi used this word because its has a very unique implication. A warhawk will use any means necessary to get his or her country (village in this case) into a war, as thats what they advocate. With Tsunade as Godaime, he might be planning on a way to remove her from that position with some political underhandedness, because of the fact that shes not willing to head into another war after the village has already had one recently. For example, she could be deemed unworthy of the title due to her brazen and hard-headed belief that Naruto can take on Akatsuki and Oro, which would be brought about by an elaborate ploy or tactic in which both Danzou and Orochimaru participate.That letter Sai was sent to deliver could very well be detailing this plan. With him in power, he could do exactly what "war hawk" means, as right now, hes been stripped of all power save for heading Root.
Regarding Sai, he may very well have been told to act as if he has no emotions throughout the mission with the new team 7. After all, hes a root member, an elite anbu, trained for all sorts of situations. Considering were reading/watching a series that has had ninja of this kind before, its illogical to leave this theory out of the loop


PS: don't tell me that the anime doesn't count ( which would means Anko's past is all but fantasy, Inata didn't develop her own new fighting style and so and so ...)
The anime fillers dont count, plain and simple. Their simply meant to allude to possibilities within the main storyline. Weve seen this before. When we saw the Inari fillers back in the early 100's we saw Sakura use some enormous strength, but after they got back to the main story, there was no indication she had ever done that, or at the very least, with such strength, they wouldve sent her along with Naruto and gang to search for Sasuke. But in part 2, we see that she indeed does have incredible strength, as she was taught by Tsunade (and the Inari fillers appeared before part 2). The fillers serve a purpose as both foreshadowing, and of course, so that theirs something Naruto related to watch while Kishi advances the real storyline.



man that was an awesome chapter. In the next chapter maybe sakura die????????????? :amuse :amuse

.... 1) She was just healed by Kabuto & 2) why would a main character die now? :notrust

EDIT: Regarding whats to come, weve yet to see the so called "forbidden jutsu" that Jiraiya told Naruto not to use. Turning Kn4 and the high density chakra ball thus far dont constitute "forbidden jutsu". We may very well see a version of Naruto we have yet to see soon enough (and that weve all been wanting to see. Naruto fighting with or without Kyuubi, but with some real justu prowess).

animefeen
February 24, 2006, 07:59 PM
I have read on here that Kist. is going to introduce and even stronger new character rather that person is from the leaf village or not. If this is in fact true the Chunnin exam would be a good reason for one to give reason for naruto even being in it in the first place. So to anyone that read of the author stating that somewhere please forward it on to me. The next major plot to the naruto story will not happen until the chunnin exam, that's my prediction...

Snake1786
February 24, 2006, 08:32 PM
She was just healed by Kabuto & 2) why would a main character die now? :notrust[/b][/size][/font][/color]



First i was just joking second i didnt know that she was healed and third i dont recognize that bitch as a main character.

enzomars
February 24, 2006, 08:33 PM
[The anime fillers dont count, plain and simple. Their simply meant to allude to possibilities within the main storyline. Weve seen this before. When we saw the Inari fillers back in the early 100's we saw Sakura use some enormous strength, but after they got back to the main story, there was no indication she had ever done that, or at the very least, with such strength, they wouldve sent her along with Naruto and gang to search for Sasuke. But in part 2, we see that she indeed does have incredible strength, as she was taught by Tsunade (and the Inari fillers appeared before part 2). The fillers serve a purpose as both foreshadowing, and of course, so that theirs something Naruto related to watch while Kishi advances the real storyline.[/b][/size][/font][/color]


I don't Know which filler you're talking about, and as far as i remember the only time i saw Sakura using Tsunade alike strength is in the spagetthi filler, and that's way after she started her training with Tsunade ,so it's still in the story line.

venicia777
February 24, 2006, 09:22 PM
the first time i saw sakura used tsunade-like strenght was right after the sanin arc(when jiraiya,tsunade,oro,kabuto fought) and Godaimes inauguration. It was the Race Arc- and it happened when sakura ripped off the mast of the boat in which they were in(which i think was on fire). You remember now.

Sai- i hope he wasnt acting when he said sasuke was a traitor and his letter is related to the chuunin exam somehow. he kinda became one of my favorites.

Ifuritas-fan, enzomars, and crimson have such good theories. well organized and argued- i am obliged to say good job.

Crimson
February 24, 2006, 09:31 PM
I don't Know which filler you're talking about, and as far as i remember the only time i saw Sakura using Tsunade alike strength is in the spagetthi filler, and that's way after she started her training with Tsunade ,so it's still in the story line.

um, no, back in the fillers with the "big race" where Team 7 was helping Inari get to an island (episode 103 or 105, something like that), on the boat Sakura pulled out the mast with her chakra and started using it as a weapon. If thats not superhuman strength then what really is? lol. And anything past the main story is filler and NOT storyline. Like I mentioned previously, theres always incosistencies with the main story and the fillers, which are there to point out that the fillers are NOT part of the main storyline but there to forshadow possible main story events/information, etc. As well as to do exactly what their names imply, "fill" up Naruto's tv timespot till the main story is able to advance again (which will be in April).



First i was just joking second i didnt know that she was healed and third i dont recognize that bitch as a main character.
First, that would be considerd spam considering the length of that post (although thankfully im no mod), Second, read through the chapter again, and third, try to reserve such negative one word comments about characters to yourself as thats called "flaming", another reason not to post besides spam.

And venicia777, thanks, :amuse

venicia777
February 24, 2006, 09:41 PM
i dont know what fans expect from sakura at all. to be exceptional like Neji or sasuke without a bloodline limit. i mean how many of the female-ninjas we have seen at her age are shown tobe soo exceptional. Even hinata has been shown to suck- worse still is Ino, and the list goes on. if people want anything more of sakura- the best place to make a complaint is to kishimoto

Snake1786
February 24, 2006, 10:06 PM
First, that would be considerd spam considering the length of that post (although thankfully im no mod), Second, read through the chapter again, and third, try to reserve such negative one word comments about characters to yourself as thats called "flaming", another reason not to post besides spam.[/b][/size][/font][/color]

And venicia777, thanks, :amuse

FIRST : dont enlarge your type size if you wolud write your comment in a normal type size it would be a spam too. And second dont talk around like you were my father I write what I want about any character as you can do.
[br]Posted at: February 24, 2006, 06:56:00 PM_________________________________________________

if people want anything more of sakura- the best place to make a complaint is to kishimoto


No man i am not complaining about Sakura I know she has 1000 of fans but Crimson is messing around with me.

Galth
February 24, 2006, 10:21 PM
(...) thankfully im no mod (...)


Thankfully i am :amuse

Crimson, you are perfectly allowed to change your font size as long as you don't do it to intentionally piss people off, that has nothing to do with spam,
the post snake1786 made wasn't spam either in my opinion, seeing as he explained about his previous post, so it's functional right?

But it sounds kind of mean to call her a bitch, there's lots of better ways to tell us you don't like her, like a simple and political correct :p "i don't like that sakura person and don't consider her to be a main character"-line or something.



And second dont talk around like you were my father I write what I want about any character as you can do.


He was pointing out something you would better not do, so don't be so 'annoyed' in your reply please, just stay polite and if you disagree with someone, say it on a friendly tone, so we could keep this forum friendly :thumbs

Crimson
February 24, 2006, 10:53 PM
Thankfully i am :amuse

Crimson, you are perfectly allowed to change your font size as long as you don't do it to intentionally piss people off, that has nothing to do with spam,
the post snake1786 made wasn't spam either in my opinion, seeing as he explained about his previous post, so it's functional right?

But it sounds kind of mean to call her a bitch, there's lots of better ways to tell us you don't like her, like a simple and political correct :p "i don't like that sakura person and don't consider her to be a main character"-line or something.

He was pointing out something you would better not do, so don't be so 'annoyed' in your reply please, just stay polite and if you disagree with someone, say it on a friendly tone, so we could keep this forum friendly :thumbs

I was just about to comment on the font usage too, lol. Thanks for that. And I dont mean to be annoying here but isnt a one sentence joke post that serves no purpose other than to get other posters to comment on it and get said spam-like response considered spam? Im no mod but ive been around forums long enough to see plenty of posts like that get erased by mods, (just a thought).

And snake, thats the way I type all my posts, regardless of length. Its not meant to annoy people. I just enjoy posting in a different font than others, something thats not against the forum rules. In fact, Miso so kindly advised me to stop posting in red because it was hard to read and hurt the eyes, and I did so immediatly.

Galth
February 24, 2006, 10:58 PM
[color=black][font=Palatino Linotype][size=10pt][b]I was just about to comment on the font usage too, lol. Thanks for that. And I dont mean to be annoying here but isnt a one sentence joke post that serves no purpose other than to get other posters to comment on it and get said spam-like  response considered spam? Im no mod but ive been around forums long enough to see plenty of posts like that get erased by mods, (just a thought).


We prefer to delete as few posts as possible, obviously :noworry, and as for the one-sentence posts:



man that was an awesome chapter. In the next chapter maybe sakura die????????????? :amuse :amuse


This could be considered spam, but it's still a prediction of something that could happen, even though it was in joke-form, if i deleted this, i would have to delete multiple posts by myself too ;) and pointing out options like this to get a conversation going if good too, right? it's always best to hear new theories etc...



First i was just joking second i didnt know that she was healed and third i dont recognize that bitch as a main character.


In this post, though short, he tells us two things, firstly he tells you to take no offense to that last post, it being a joke, and secondly he tells us ( in an inapropriate way ) that he does not consider Sakura to be a main character in the series, and that she could well die sometime (soon) according to him.

Though obviously, if another mod says it is to be deleted, he/she > me :tem

Anyways, what do you think will happen to Sai and Orochimaru now? WIll they just dissapear ( with Kabuto ) and leave the other without a new clue to find Sasuke, or will we see Sai entering the fight perhaps, and explaining his goal at this very moment?

I believe we will see some more hits being delivered by/to Sai before Orochimaru and Kabuto make their escape, if they do... Naruto will probably not be able to fight anymore, and so will Orochimaru, but Kabuto and Yamato are very much able to do battle... Kabuto prefers not to fight, but would perhaps only make sure Sai doesn't hurt the others when they clash... as for Sakura herself... she'll probably not interfere anymore, blacking out for the second time, and both parties will return home to discuss some new piece of information they will overhear Sai saying or something like that, and perhaps we will see a Root-anbu fight back in Konoha anytime soon when it is discovered they're disobeying orders ( to not have relations with Missing-nins like Orochimaru or something )?

Crimson
February 24, 2006, 11:24 PM
I get your point on the post deletion and the such. Regarding predictions, I dont see any more fighting taking place. But seeing wether Sai's boss, Danzou, wants Oro's help or wants to kill Oro is the real question now. And honestly, even considering all the predictions ive made till now (see page before last), its all up in the air. Like I said earlie in a different topicr, next Thursday is too far away.

xallisto
February 24, 2006, 11:28 PM
Dazou probably knew that Orichimaru was far too smart for a spy to be in his organization.

either that or sai planned to beat Orichimaru's location out of the spy.

DarkManSharingan32
February 24, 2006, 11:33 PM
I believe we will see some more hits being delivered by/to Sai before Orochimaru and Kabuto make their escape, if they do... Naruto will probably not be able to fight anymore, and so will Orochimaru, but Kabuto and Yamato are very much able to do battle... Kabuto prefers not to fight, but would perhaps only make sure Sai doesn't hurt the others when they clash... as for Sakura herself... she'll probably not interfere anymore, blacking out for the second time, and both parties will return home to discuss some new piece of information they will overhear Sai saying or something like that, and perhaps we will see a Root-anbu fight back in Konoha anytime soon when it is discovered they're disobeying orders ( to not have relations with Missing-nins like Orochimaru or something )?


I believe that Yamato and Sakura's first priority will be Naruto... and since Sai only wished to talk to Orochimaru... I'm predicting a fairly non-violent ending to all of this. I think Sai's conversation will not be heard... and while Sai comes back to the group he will catch HELL from Yamato for being a bad teammate... Sai will just shrug it off in his usualy care-free manne, and possibly throwing in an insult to an unconscious Naruto and Sakura. To sum it all up... Sai will go back to the village with his "team"...

Then from here.... we may here some dialogue between Oro and Kabuto about the offer than was presented to them... This will continue for a few exchanges, and then the talk will switch to the subject of Oro's new Body.... and the topic of Sasuke...

From here, t will either go back to Yamato & Co..... or maybe Sasuke will show up from the shadows and have something to say about the battle... who knows...

But the next chapter is sure to have alot of dialogue... somethings need to be set-up/resolved...

I expect Sasuke to want to challenge Itachi soon.... im hoping he will show up in the next few chapters, and let Orochimaru know he is ready... (Oro will be fine with this because it means he is one step closer to finally obtaining Sauke's body by choice)

glasskatana
February 25, 2006, 12:05 AM
I have a feeling that Naruto won't regain coherent consciousness until he's back at Konoha in a hospital bed with Sakura looking over him the whole time. When I say coherent consciousness I mean that he may wake up or move his hand or his body to help someone right now, but he won't be functioning until then. When Naruto wakes up he wakes up to find all of the genins from pre-timeskip, Kakashi, Tsunade, and Jiraiya by his bed.

As for the message that Sai is trying to give to Oro, I have a feeling it betrays team 7 and Tsunade, not Konoha. I also believe however that Oro will not accept his proposition and Kabuto and Oro will leave.

P.S if anyone wants to discuss anything about Oro's soul transfer jutsu, like its limitations (as seen by this chapter) you can go to the thread I made at the Toshokan.

lexiefaye
February 25, 2006, 12:24 AM
And NF has died again! Oh well ....

I agree that Naruto is going to be unconscious once Yamato finishes his jutsu and his body heals back over ... and Sakura will probably sit there tearfully healing him as Yamato tries to calm her down and explain 4-tails to her ... But i think the next chapter will be mainly about Sai, orochimaru, Kabuto and Yamato Bunshin ...

uzubaka_naruto
February 25, 2006, 01:20 AM
Just a question...wasnt the chuunin exam already busy? Temari was already in Konoha and Gaara was preparing to leave when things happend.

I do think Gaara will be in time for the main matches...and probably will visit the unconscious Naruto.

Danzou will probably (with help of Orochimaru) start another Ninja War...

Anyway i dont think that Orochimaru will take Yamato's body since that would make him "too" powerfull. That would make Orochimaru stronger then all of Akatsuki since they "want" to be jinchuuriki's and can cancel their powers that way..

Though Orochimaru has to transfer to someone else that is pretty certain...Sasuke wont allow Oro to take over his body especially when Orochimaru is "this" weakend. Also every 3 years makes Orochimaru's body rotten as it seems...what good use would be Sasuke's body then? For only 3 years..?

xallisto
February 25, 2006, 01:32 AM
If Sasuke was planning on killin Oro before he transfers into his body, now would be the time to finish him off

glasskatana
February 25, 2006, 01:38 AM
Just a question...wasnt the chuunin exam already busy? Temari was already in Konoha and Gaara was preparing to leave when things happend.

I do think Gaara will be in time for the main matches...and probably will visit the unconscious Naruto.

I thought about this too, at most the exams can last, like what, 1 month and 5 days. So yeah, Naruto and Sasuke fighting in the chuunin exam seems out of question considering that Temari and Shikamaru couldn't go on the mission because of the exams.

Sai thinks Naruto is dead. Could it be that Nartuto's gonna surprise him and end up punching him in the face or something. Though I doubt Naruto will be waking up so...yeah. Is Sai gonna run away as fast as he can (like a smiling gingerbread man. Heh.) after he tells Oro whatever it is he's going to tell him. I mean there's no way Yamato's gonna let him go after just letting Sakura drop like that. I think everyone should look at lexiefaye's 'what should have happened to Sai! Freaking hilarious. Especially if the yamato clone hears whatever it is Sai is telling Oro. Thoughts?

No OnE
February 25, 2006, 04:29 AM
Here's what will happen...
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Sai: Hay big boy, Danzou like said that he would pay me like double next time if I like, played his messenger for 2day, sooo, pleaz'd 2 meet u ^^
Oro: OMG cool, watz he up too? ^^
Sai: Wellz, I'm gonna like do a little strip dance 4 u first *does strip dance*
Oro: OMG, that wuz SOOOOOOO hawt!! ^^
Sai: I won't like charge u 4 that, master said that u would like, maybe listen 2 his message if I did that
Oro: OMG, you like SOOOOOO didn't need 2, ur hawt enuff 4 me, but I guess that I like can't refuse now ^^
Sai: OK kewl ^^ *pulls out his AK47 and blasts the crap out of Oro*
Oro: OMG you cheated on me, u r teh suck!!!!111
Sai: Hey Sakura, Naruto, Yamato, I got us some meat for the table! (*meanwhile Kabuto is running away into the forest crying like a little baby*)
Yamato: *picks up Oro and cracks his neck and spinal cord* Lets tag your game and bring him back to Konoha for you to finish your ANBU work, then we'll throw him on the grill!
Naruto: Woohoo!! Oro-flavored ramen dattebayo!!!
Sakura: I'll just do nothing like always ^^
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There you have it, and it'll all happen in one chapter. :smile-big

I got all of this from the fact that...
Danzou is a warhawk, meaning he just HAS to like guns
Sai can act really gay sometimes
Oro likes little boys
Sai is ALWAYS using a fake smile (oh snap)
Typical Naruto and Sakura behavoirs
Sai is ANBU and is on a mission for something
Nobody likes Kabuto
Yamato is the leader and gives instructions

SacredNic
February 25, 2006, 05:06 AM
I dont think that we'll get the privilage of hearing Oro and Sai's conversation. However, it will be an arragement of some kind that will unfold later on.

Yamoto's mokujin-clone will get in range of their conversation, and is about to retreat to tell the other, when it is quickly dispatched of by none other then Sasuke himself. Yes, I really think he'll appear as a shock surprise for us all. Sai will make some sly comment, but Sasuke will merely shrug it off. Oro and Sasuke will leave, allowing Sai to return to the others.

Meanwhile, Yamato wont let Kabuto get away. He'll be captured, knocked unconscious, and taken back to Konoha village.

Sai will return shortly afterward, saying that Oro attacked the clone and then retreated.

Naruto will remain unconscious as well, but tended for by Sakura.

Crimson
February 25, 2006, 05:25 AM
I dont think that we'll get the privilage of hearing Oro and Sai's conversation. However, it will be an arragement of some kind that will unfold later on.

Yamoto's mokujin-clone will get in range of their conversation, and is about to retreat to tell the other, when it is quickly dispatched of by none other then Sasuke himself. Yes, I really think he'll appear as a shock surprise for us all. Sai will make some sly comment, but Sasuke will merely shrug it off. Oro and Sasuke will leave, allowing Sai to return to the others.

Meanwhile, Yamato wont let Kabuto get away. He'll be captured, knocked unconscious, and taken back to Konoha village.

Sai will return shortly afterward, saying that Oro attacked the clone and then retreated.

Naruto will remain unconscious as well, but tended for by Sakura.


Hmm, I actually sort of like that method for re introducing Sasuke. Could be done with some flair too (double page spread, hehe). :thumbs. I still hope the reader gets to know what Sai and Oro talk about.

glasskatana
February 25, 2006, 06:06 AM
yeah except I don't know if clones actually have to tell the person who spawned them what they saw or heard. I think the info is instantly transferred or something like that. I don't know, I'm too tired to think clearly. I'll post again in the morning. As fr the sasuke thing, I imagined him being reintroduced when Kabuto and Oro go back to their lair with Sasuke saying something like what happened and Kabuto saying something like "we failed" or "Sasori was not there" or "Naruto happened" as Sasuke sees an injured Oro.

enzomars
February 25, 2006, 08:09 AM
yeah except I don't know if clones actually have to tell the person who spawned them what they saw or heard. I think the info is instantly transferred or something like that.

That sounds right!



As fr the sasuke thing, I imagined him being reintroduced when Kabuto and Oro go back to their lair with Sasuke saying something like what happened and Kabuto saying something like "we failed" or "Sasori was not there" or "Naruto happened" as Sasuke sees an injured Oro.


"Naruto happened" Woo!hoo! That's gonna make him go GGRRRRRRRR!!!! jealous !

Miso
February 25, 2006, 10:32 AM
I dont think that we'll get the privilage of hearing Oro and Sai's conversation. However, it will be an arragement of some kind that will unfold later on.

Yamoto's mokujin-clone will get in range of their conversation, and is about to retreat to tell the other, when it is quickly dispatched of by none other then Sasuke himself. Yes, I really think he'll appear as a shock surprise for us all. Sai will make some sly comment, but Sasuke will merely shrug it off. Oro and Sasuke will leave, allowing Sai to return to the others.

Meanwhile, Yamato wont let Kabuto get away. He'll be captured, knocked unconscious, and taken back to Konoha village.

Sai will return shortly afterward, saying that Oro attacked the clone and then retreated.

Naruto will remain unconscious as well, but tended for by Sakura.



An interesting prediction! :thumbs

I can really imagine that we won't see the Oro-Sai conversation because Kishi wants us to keep in dark about Sai's and Danzou's intentions.
Sasuke appearing? I have heard so much stuff about this, also from japanese forums. I'm not really sure of that. In my opinion Kishi won't introduce Sasuke to us yet because he wants to keep the strain of the story. On the other hand we were waiting for Sasuke for more than 10 chapters or so :darn. One can represent both positions.
About Kabuto being captured I think that Yamato doesn't have the abilities or the wish to sturggle with him. After all Kabuto is Jounin level (there was once said that he is even almost as strong as Kakashi if I remember correctly) so he won't be captured too easily.
That the wood clone could seal his body is due to the fact that Kabuto didn't mind to be captured by that clone at this time. If he is really willing to break free I would say he can. Or at least he'll give Yamato a hard job.

Leen
February 25, 2006, 11:23 AM
I say that the wood bunshin of Yamato will play a significant role in next chapter. In 296, we dont see that bunshin at all apart from Kabuto and Sakura scene. That bunshin might be hearing what Sai had to say to Orochimaru. I think that Sai will tell Orochimaru about Danzou's plan and most probably, it is a plan to overthrow Tsunade from her current Hokage place. Another possible theory is that Danzou is proposing to start a big war. We have the Great War in Narutoverse before and history might just repeat itself. It will be nice to see a war considering that more characters and villages will be introduced and all these happen in the middle of the quest of finding Sasuke and killing Akatsuki members. I still think that Sasuke is reserved for chapter 300. We have been waiting for his appearence for more than 1 year already and I believe we will see him soon.

diegocfq
February 25, 2006, 12:52 PM
I think Sai is gonna make an arrangement like this: Orochimaru helps with akatsuki and konoha will not bother with sasuke anymore. But both sides will try to twist the arrangement =P

Predator
February 25, 2006, 01:30 PM
First, I think we can drop the idea of Kabuto being captured as he escaped already during this chapter. No Jounin level ninja will fall for the same tactics twice (reminds the first arc).

Second, Bunshin must have some kind of communication. How else Naruto's Kage Bunshin could act so well without speaking. Only thing is that the clones can't distinguish the real one among themselves. So we can consider Bunshin being also the real one.

Third, even if the conversation between Sai and Oro remains covered, it's enough for Bunshin just to see him chating with Oro to make things bad for him. Anyway, Sai and Naruto will both be spanked later.

Fourth, depending on whether or not Yamato finds out about Sai's current actions there are two paths to go:
a) Yamato finds out and the main subject switches to Konohoa inner affairs
b) Yamato doesn't find out and we move on to Chuunin exam. The betrayal is left aside to help make things
worse later when some major pwn-age situation occurs.

Miso
February 25, 2006, 01:39 PM
I think Sai is gonna make an arrangement like this: Orochimaru helps with akatsuki and konoha will not bother with sasuke anymore. But both sides will try to twist the arrangement =P


Well...actually Konoha doesn't bother with Sasuke. It's only Naruto and Sakura who want to have Sasuke back.
The reason why the Yamato team was allowed to go to the bridge int the first place was to gain information about Akatsuki by the spy. That it could give you info about Sasuke was only a nice side effect for Naruto and Sakura.
So Sai can't make an arrangement about Konoha's behaviour towards because he has not the power of decision to do so.

enzomars
February 25, 2006, 01:59 PM
All those predictions are rational , but till now every ( let say 99,33 % :smile-big ) rational or logical prediction had been proven wrong. So could someone come up with something Original about Sai's mission pleaaaaase?

I keep thinking but i'm always comin up with somthin contradicting my first thoughts.

Predator
February 25, 2006, 02:17 PM
All those predictions are rational , but till now every ( let say 99,33 % :smile-big ) rational or logical prediction had been proven wrong. So could someone come up with something Original about Sai's mission pleaaaaase?

I keep thinking but i'm always comin up with somthin contradicting my first thoughts.


You seen to be confused. What's going on here is exactly what predicting is right (imagine tossing a dice and guesing)
There will always be false assumptions. We only discuss some logical probablities, that will be most likely wrong.

You want original idea? ... Sai's mission is to capture Orochimaru, when he's weak. He's approching him and smiling same as hunters try to sneak up to the deer. Something like this:

>Sai: I'm not your enemy. I have a message from Danzo-sama.
>Oro: Oh! It's been some time I've heard from him. Let's hear then what he has to say.
>Sai: He made me send you his best regards for being able to hide from us for so long and even attack us.
>Oro: (smiles by himself, feeling honored)
>Sai: And also he says......
>Oro: (serious again)
>Sai: .... he says "You're under arest!" (launches some powerfull art jutsu for capturing purposes)

Would you mind doing something about that signiture of yours? It's bad for the eyes (seriously) and hardware

diegocfq
February 25, 2006, 02:28 PM
I think konoha bothers with sasuke ... after all he is the last uchiha aside from the missing nin Itachi and it coulb be bothersome if another country could get his sharingan, so either they would want to bring him back or to kill him. Naruto and Sakura are trying the bring him back way... and you are forgetting that Sai has no mind of his own, at least that is what we get till now, but Danzou controls him and maybe he is insane enough to associate with Orochimaru, and it doesnt matter if he has power or not to do this. After all Root is something like "illegal" as the sandaime dismissed them, but, yet, they continue.

Miso
February 25, 2006, 02:54 PM
With me saying "Sai has no power of decision" I meant that he as a messenger of Danzou has nothing to offer for Oro.
What I wanted to point out was that Danzou cannot say anything about Konoha's further actions as he is no the Hokage. So Sai can't offer anything valuable to Oro at the moment.
I know that Sai is only a tool. Perhaps it would have been better if I had written: "Danzou can't make an arrangement about Konoha's behaviour towards because he has not the power of decision to do so."

Konoha bothering about Sasuke:.....I won't argue about that but perhaps the Sharingan is overly valued. Sure, it is a great power but there are other ninjas which are more powerful. I don't think that Sasuke in his own person and his own  powers constitues a danger to Konoha yet.
It could be that Godaime doesn't want Oro to have Sasuke because if Sasuke would be Oro's container Oro would be too powerful. And we all know that he wants to destroy Konoha.

Reui
February 25, 2006, 03:32 PM
Given that Sai is using the "Fake Smile" i think hes going to do something drastic in the next episode. I would seriously doubt it'd be something like this but:

Sai: My message from Donzou is simple.
Sai: He says.... Die.

(Sai preforms a suicidal jutsu in an attempt to kill Oro which fails)

An actual prediction for me later down the line though when Oro is gonna switch bodies is that he charges Sasuke and uses his Jutsu on him. Sasuke then turns to a puff of smoke like when a clone is destroyed and you just see Naruto in the back round saying "Gotcha" as Oro begins to fall unconscious from his body rejecting him.

ogreslayer
February 25, 2006, 04:01 PM
My feeling on Oro is that the body he took was not strong enough to cope with that level of the fighting... The monstorous level of what was going on was way beyond the dude who managed to survive Kabuto's battle royale and they have already stressed that each time he transfers he would need a stronger body, there would be no purpose in taking Sasuke if that wasn't going to be his body for decades considering we have no idea if the Body Transfer takes Bloodline Limits along with the user.

Now for Danzou dealing with Orochimaru; its quite obvious that something is afoot in the Country of Fire... even Shizune conversing with the advisors over Naruto's situation seems alittle out of place to me. This could be a prelude to an attempted coup(which could even include the Advisors), basically involving Oro making another attack during a Chunnin Exam (which truthfully seems alittle... weak) and Danzou's Root members opening the way for Oro's forces; as others have said. Only real problem I see with this is the present power level Konoha is at probably exceeds what it was during Part 1 and I doubt Oro is gonna have as strong of a force to invade, maybe Danzou will just let Oro in so he can kill Tsunade.

My prediction for next chapter is NOTHING of real interest will happen (especially no Sasuke :(, its not time yet and won't be for a while), Naruto heals up, they will probably be back in Konoha and at the end. Yamato begins to make his report to Tsunade and Jiraya about Sai and his discussion with Oro which we still won't know anything about either cause Yamato has no idea what they talked of, or cause Kishi wants to keep it hush-hush for a chapter or 2. Following this the Chunnin Exam should start up and we should at least get an idea of who Naruto will team up with considering his Part 1 crew are all chunnin+ already. He needs 2 more people (1 if Sai isn't one yet, and i pray he is so that i don't have to see him till Sasuke impales him with Chidori, again I someting I'm praying for) and i highly doubt he'd take anyone from the Konohamaru Corps.

Galth
February 25, 2006, 04:10 PM
They won't go back to Konoha yet, imo, this arc would be way to short, we will need to see a change of goal after Sai's 'mission' ends, and Team Kakashi will need to quickly heal up ( Kabuto/Sakura skills? ) and persue Sai or something? Either way, the cannot go back to Konoha until they aquired a new 'clue' as to Akatsuki/Orochimaru/Sasuke's whereabouts and/or goals...

aziboxe
February 25, 2006, 04:14 PM
I don't think anything interesting will happen either... at least i haven't seen too much...  sai talks to oro... sakura runs to naruto...  yamato just stands there.. kabuto does his crooked smile... etc ^^

glasskatana
February 25, 2006, 05:13 PM
I'M AWAKE AGAIN AND NOW I CAN START PREDICTING. YAY!! I can't see Oro accepting any help to overthrow Konoha or bring Akatsuki down. At least not in the form of a an alliance, especially not with the leaf. He wants to do that by himself. Or force others to do it with him. (by the way, I can't think of a reason why Oro still wants to crush the leaf. I mean, sure they didn't pick him to be hokage, but it doesn't really seem like he cares.)

Sai offers deal, Oro looks at him with his tired eyes, tells him to get lost 'or I'll kill you' Sai says, "please take this" hands oro the thing Danzou gave him. Kabuto appears. Sai says "Please at least consider it" Kabuto looks at sai, looks at Oro and dissapears with him. Whether or not sai says the message out-loud or if all the info needed is on that paper,(at least I think its just a piece of paper that sai got in that letter from danzou), I'm not going to say.

So seeing as I've already given my best prediction,I offer this future prediction. VERY FAR IN THE FUTURE. If Oro were to take over sasuke's body, I think he might kill Kabuto. WHY, To gain the mangekyou sharingan of course. Then he would be practically invincible. Read and imitate Taijutsu movements, analyze and imitate nijutsu, see through genjutsu, use his own skilled ninjutsu's, along with his (not as powerful) tai and genjutsu and then The mange sharingan. Of course that would be mighty over-powered but hey if Naruto at 4-tails mode can shoot atomic beams out of his mouth, seperate chakra that burns everything, and not get injured when the kusanagi hits him, you've gotta think he could still beat a mangekyou sharingan-hyped Oro if he used like 6 or 7 tails.

Cbot
February 25, 2006, 06:07 PM
Before I start,I never like Sai for the beginning and now I hate him even more.I really hope that someone kills him.

This one is hard to predict because they are many things going on but i'm pretty sure that the next chapters will be interesting even more than now.

Snake1786
February 25, 2006, 07:23 PM
I think Sai is gonna make an arrangement like this: Orochimaru helps with akatsuki and konoha will not bother with sasuke anymore. But both sides will try to twist the arrangement =P


I dont think that Orochimaru helps akatsuki because he hates Itachi which is stronger than him. And beside of that it would be moldy for me because I dont find a reason why he should do this but maybe he has a spy or a partner in Akatsuki who knows.

C4animax
February 25, 2006, 07:32 PM
People love death lol, don't expect anyone to die for know, i mean why would anyone die or having their body taken? They all will stay alive because they all have a reason to and no body transfer because orochimaruu says it himself : be patient for sasuke, he waited 3 years how come he suddently decide to take over any present body?...

We've been fooled by the same "trahison" tittle last time i think this time will be the same...two posibilities :
1/ Sai try to kill oro and get stopped by kabuto (trahison over oro)
2/Sai is a traitor to konoha..

!I think we'll have a part of what sai is asking oro andnext in a yamato flashback...

Yamato will power down narruto, the team will go back to konoha.

Seung
February 25, 2006, 07:39 PM
Hmm.. I don't know about you guys but wouldn't it be interesting if Sai happens to sacrafice his body to Orochimaru under Danzou's orders? I mean, he is badly bruised up, and to make Oro wait til he's beaten to a pummel, hmmmmmm..

Or maybe Orochimaru is being called by the other legendary nin (Jiraiya, godaime) in order to fight with akatsuki. Who knows? there WAS that one shady comic with Danzou and Godaime. there could be some filler in the later chapters... Who knows?

Crimson
February 25, 2006, 07:44 PM
Indeed the preview for chp 297 is betrayal. Taking into consideration who could possibly betray who, were left with three choices: Yamato, Sai, and Kabuto. Considering we just saw Kabuto fake out Team 7 to think he was betraying Orochimaru, its doubtful hell be doing any betraying. Regarding Yamato, unless Oro still has some influence over his experiment that we call Yamato, I dont see him doing any betraying. So Sai is definately the leading man here for betrayal. On the other hand, who is he betraying? We dont know where Danzou's allegiance truly lies.

venicia777
February 25, 2006, 07:51 PM
I dont think that Orochimaru helps akatsuki because he hates Itachi which is stronger than him. And beside of that it would be moldy for me because I dont find a reason why he should do this but maybe he has a spy or a partner in Akatsuki who knows.

i think what he means is Oro helps with Defeating Akatsuki(remember he is afraid of them getting Kyuubi or attacking Konoha to get kyuubi or something of that sort). But if it is such a deal- he doesnt have that authority in Konoha to make deals on how Oro is treated. And tsunade will never agree to that- immediately Oro takes over sasuke he is coming to konohagakure- that was what he told tsunade during the sanin arc.

Crimson
February 25, 2006, 08:01 PM
i think what he means is Oro helps with Defeating Akatsuki(remember he is afraid of them getting Kyuubi or attacking Konoha to get kyuubi or something of that sort). But if it is such a deal- he doesnt have that authority in Konoha to make deals on how Oro is treated. And tsunade will never agree to that- immediately Oro takes over sasuke he is coming to konohagakure- that was what he told tsunade during the sanin arc.

I dont think hes trying to get any treatment for Oro though. It just doesnt make any sense for Danzou to do that. He could be asking for Oro's help to orchestrate an underhanded scheme to get Tsunade to be removed from her Hokage position. Or he could be simply informing Orochimaru of the current situation in Konoha regarding Naruto, which is helpful information to Oro in any case.

kadoman
February 25, 2006, 10:38 PM
Sai offers deal, Oro looks at him with his tired eyes, tells him to get lost 'or I'll kill you'  Sai says, "please take this" hands oro the thing Danzou gave him. Kabuto appears. Sai says "Please at least consider it"  Kabuto looks at sai, looks at Oro and dissapears with him.

I'm going with this one. I reckon this is the best prediction yet and it was told so well, too - plus I'd really like to see Oro telling anyone to 'get lost or I'll kill you.' That would be priceless.

KouYaDanny
February 26, 2006, 02:14 AM
Myabe Danzou wants a temporary truce with Oro and asks info on Akatsuki. As Kabuto said it would be better if the Konoha would deal with Akatsuki.

Even if Oro destroys Konoha which is unlikely, Akatsuki will still be after him.

animefeen
February 26, 2006, 03:36 AM
The Next chapter will be a gateway to the next Chunnin exams during which I new and powerful chacater will be introduce....ay ppl dont listen to what I say...people are forgeting that Naruto is still a genin this matter must in some shape form or fashion must be resolve before the story progress. Or how else would naruto fit in missions and the story as that fact with him being label a level below his peers when he is clearly powerfully above them...after all the long term goal of the story is for him to become Hokeage

glasskatana
February 26, 2006, 04:23 AM
I don't think that's gonna happen. Not to be mean or anything but I think Naruto beiing a genin serves to prove that ranks do not signify power. Plus Sasuke is also a genin, so they match up it.

Not to mention that Naruto has already done A class missions as a genin post-timeskip. You might even classify them S-class. Saving a kage and going up against 2 S-class missing nins from an extremely dangerous organization is definitely not a mission they'd give to someone that Konoha didn't realize was already far-surpassing a genin. Come on, I think if anything, we won't see Naruto become a chuunin ever. Unless its a special chapter that occurs after the end of the manga. Maybe with Sasuke as a partner again. Also as an extremely future prediction, in fact a last page of the manga prediction, i think the last page of the manga will be of Naruto looking over Konoha village with wind blowing in his hair, and the words Hokage on the top of the page.

For predictions, I think this chapter will setup to more internal Konoha politics. As well as some Naruto/Sakura politics... if you can call it that. Maybe Naruto being treated like an animal or a n 'inhuman jinchiruuki' by Danzou's faction. Who knows.. this is all in the future, I stick with my most recent prediction.

Ifuritas-fan
February 26, 2006, 06:21 AM
The Next chapter will be a gateway to the next Chunnin exams during which I new and powerful chacater will be introduce....ay ppl dont listen to what I say...people are forgeting that Naruto is still a genin this matter must in some shape form or fashion must be resolve before the story progress. Or how else would naruto fit in missions and the story as that fact with him being label a level below his peers when he is clearly powerfully above them...after all the long term goal of the story is for him to become Hokeage


Feen.. give credit where it's due... if you please.


However... Choinkees has somehow gotten ahold of a page from 297.. clearly showing what Sai's mission has been all along. It was a recon mission.
So when you see him on NF...respect him for the goddly individual he is.

See below

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/zederken/297-1.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/zederken/297-2.jpg

Sephy7KillerMech
February 26, 2006, 07:08 AM
Once again i've only read the first page and I'm here with my predictions.

First of all I agree with everyone that believes there is something up with Kabuto. If you all watch the way Oro works he finds people that have suffered and become strong and he takes them and gives them hope so that they will follow him through anything, he is there hope, he is all they have. We haven't heard much about Kabuto's parent's except that his father was a great medical ninja. Perhaps Akatsuki killed his parents or something to that effect and that is what Oro is using against Kabuto. This would make Kabuto a Good Bad guy.
I think the next arc is going to have a fight between Oro and Sasuke. I think it's obvious that the bodies Oro inhabits reject his soul/spirit/chakra after AROUND 3 years, give or take a few months. Sasuke is now either completely Oro's slave and will give in willingly (doubtful since he is suffering from what i call the "Vegeta" complex) or he will fight him and one will win or Sasuke will escape and oro will be forced to once again pick a body he doesn't want, this will piss him off to no end and we will then deal with UBER MAD ORO.
Naruto is going to start wising up since he hit the girl he loved, he's not going to ever want to lose control again, look forward to better naruto fights in the future.

Supreme Alchemist Fan
February 26, 2006, 07:56 AM
I wonder if this means Naruto will get serious and start trying to train the 4th tail form? And i no longer care whats happened to Sasuke,took him too long to come back.

Snake1786
February 26, 2006, 10:16 AM
Feen.. give credit where it's due... if you please.


However... Choinkees has somehow gotten ahold of a page from 297.. clearly showing what Sai's mission has been all along. It was a recon mission.
So when you see him on NF...respect him for the goddly individual he is.

See below

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/zederken/297-1.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/zederken/297-2.jpg

Lol thats really funny. But seriously I think his mission is to catch the Kyuubi and bring him to Danzou or to do some crazy shit that I even dreamed of.

kadoman
February 26, 2006, 12:47 PM
That is hilarious!! Thanks for sharing!

venicia777
February 26, 2006, 03:23 PM
hahaaaaaa- that is exceptionally too hilarious. wow! hahahaa.

C4animax
February 26, 2006, 03:25 PM
Feen.. give credit where it's due... if you please.


However... Choinkees has somehow gotten ahold of a page from 297.. clearly showing what Sai's mission has been all along. It was a recon mission.
So when you see him on NF...respect him for the goddly individual he is.

See below

I didn't put the pic since it's big


LOL very funny ;)

xhobbesx
February 26, 2006, 04:32 PM
if the theory about chunnin exam thing is true, i think the new powerful character will be konohamaru.

but i highly doubt the chuunin theory. i think it has to do with going to war.

Predator
February 26, 2006, 08:54 PM
if the theory about chunnin exam thing is true, i think the new powerful character will be konohamaru.

but i highly doubt the chuunin theory. i think it has to do with going to war.


Konohamaru is by far the only newbie we know, so it's pretty obvious.
Second thing about the Chuunin exam or War, I think the exam comes first as later we could get Naruto leading some missions with some subordinates (why not the same Konohamaru as he already calls him the leader). So I think that the next chapter starts the end of the arc and heads towards exam.

Galth
February 26, 2006, 09:01 PM
Team Naruto with the konohamaru gang would be so cool... some little arc as a sort of spoiler :) perhaps we will see it in the anime only...

UzumakiRoman
February 26, 2006, 09:06 PM
LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crimson
February 26, 2006, 09:21 PM
Where are all the Chunnin Exam predictions stemming from? Just because Kishi mentioned that several of the old Konoha Genins moved up in rank after the 2 1/2 years (and their specific ranks) that doesnt mean they need to show us another tournament just so that the reader sees Naruto ascend to chunnin. Actually it would be a waste. With so many of the other old genins already chuunin, we would just be following Naruto alone through the exam. At most, if at all, (and if Kishi even WANTS Naruto to rise in rank before he becomes hokage), well see a chapter or two just showing Naruto breezing right through the exams to become chunnin. And Konohamaru as the new POWERFUL character? Notice how I capitalize powerful. That sounds more like a joke right now than anything else (no offense). I mean sure hes getting to the age Naruto was in Part 1, and he is the grandson of Sandaime. But the most weve seen him pull out is the sexy no jutsu, and up to now, and throughout all of Part 1, Konohamaru has been acting as comic relief whenever he appears, as well as to show a mentor-like side of Naruto (much less of the latter). Perhaps if Kishi does indeed do a part 3, well see Konohamaru as a real Shinobi. For now, the powerful character (I thought it was Sai too, dont know where everyones getting that theirs another..please share the info), is up in the air.

Predator
February 26, 2006, 09:47 PM
Crimson's right. There will soon be too many strong chars around. Maybe Sai will be revealed as a weak boy latter as he learns emotions. Or some other weak girl can be introduced, so that there is someone to protect during the exam. The standart three man team with two guys and a girl.

One thing I don't like that the new characters are always introduced plainly without backstory. If I were writing the story I'd make them run into the next partner during a mission, like now returning to village.

glasskatana
February 27, 2006, 01:08 AM
I really want to know what messed Sai up so bad. Maybe if I got a little info on why he's such an emotionless... traitor :sweatdrop I'd like him more. By the way has anyone noticed that almost every guy Naruto meets has some messed up past while every girl has a pretty good life.
Hyuuga neji - messed up, Lee - not exactly messed up but definitely difficult, TenTen - just great, Gaara - screwed up, Kankuro and Tamari - O.K., Kiba and Shino - good, Hinata - same as lee, Shikimaru - lazy but good, Chouji - fat, Ino - good, Sasuke - messed up, Naruto - mesed up, Sakura - just great. Sai - messed up for unknown reasons. WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE THIS FLOCK TO NARUTO, THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY MESSED UP.

donkeyhigh
February 27, 2006, 01:29 AM
Okay, about all the "Sai is evhull" theories:

First off, I just want to say, that to begin with, I didn't like Sai much either. He's a real asshole. But think about it, he doesn't know what "emotions" mean.
So he's just acting as he's been told. i.e. "men have dicks.. that's this thing hanging down there, - girls don't, they have big breast"  - This is something he probably read in one of his books. The same type of book that told him to smile whenever he greets someone.

He doesn't want Naruto to die, or Sakura for that matter, he just doesn't care. And when I say "he doesn't care", it's not in a bad way, it's just that he doesn't know how to care. It's a missing part of his brain. He just doesn't care. Ok?

And also, as we've seen earlier in the series, Naruto always makes friends with those he knows. And he's starting to learn about Sais fighting abilities, and about his brother in the picture, who died.
I don't think Sai is going to die any time soon. He will play the replacement for Sasuke for yet a good time.
During this period of time, Sai will slowly learn what "emotions" are, how to find them and use them, how to express them, and so forth.
Sais brother will also play a big role in all of this.

Naruto will teach Sai that living as a ninja, is more than just living in order to complete missions. It's also about living yourself. He'll probably knock Sai senceless, and kick it into his head. - as he always does.

The smile he gave Orochimaru earlier means nothing to me, it's just one of the things Sai does without a secound thought. It has nothing to do with which side he is on, he just follows the instructions of the book.
He sees life as a mathematic question, only black and white, no gray-zone. In Sais mind, there is only one answer, nothing inbetween and no other than the final answer.
Greeting a new person for the first time = smile
Seeing if a person is male or female = look at groin
Life = Complete missions
Your own life = Not important when compared with "completing mission"


Anyway, I believe Naruto and Sai will become "friends" or something in that matter after a while, and Sai will eventually be killed by either Sasuke, or sacrificing his live in order to save Sasuke, after learing about feelings, and understanding how hard it is to lose someone close when comparing Naruto and Sasuke with himself and his lost brother, he will help Naruto and Sasuke, even though it has nothing to do with the mission. Like Obito and Kakashi.

Also, Sai could have lost his feelings after his brother died, as it was probably pretty traumatic to lose a loved one.

Anyway, that's all I wanted to say, as I don't have a clue what's going to happen in the next chapter. It could be so much. But Sai is not dying, and neither are anyone else.


- Pjoto out.

EDIT: Hey cool, I'm a junior member :D And I have a "ki" whatever that is :D Anyone ? What's the "ki" thingy? :)

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UzumakiRoman
February 27, 2006, 01:32 AM
WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE THIS FLOCK TO NARUTO, THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY MESSED UP.


because all those people are going to be strong kick ass shinobi. probably most of them will be well known if not legendary. and cuz they all flocked to Naruto they are gonna be his shinobi army (the kyuubi boys) when he becomes Hokage. but gaara can't he's already Kazekage so they be kick ass together, so konoha and the sand village wiil be allies for a long time to come and the two of them will pimp kunoichi all day long!!!!!!!!!!! sounds sweet!! i'd definitely take a piece of that pie!!

glasskatana
February 27, 2006, 01:56 AM
EDIT: Hey cool, I'm a junior member :D And I have a "ki" whatever that is :D Anyone ? What's the "ki" thingy? :)

There's a thread, I believe, in the toshokan that will tell you about ki. Basically it's just repurtation points that people who have posted over 50 times can give or take away from other members. See that [ossu +] [WTF -] thing. That's how you give and take away ki if you're a junior member. I believe. You should go look at the thread if you're not sure.

As for even more of my predictions, well, since I've already stated all the ones I thought might come true, I'll tell one I doubt will come true. Naruto is on the ground, Sakura is trying to care for him, Sai walks back to the group after telling Oro whatever he wants to tell him,( read my earlier predictions for details on what I think is gonna really happen).

Naruto mumbles something. Sai doesn't hear and leans his head towards Naruto and says 'what was that' Naruto punches Sai in the face, and falls to the ground saying something like 'how dare you' and falls unconscious for the rest of the trip back to Konoha. Actually this prediction isn't that bad now that I think about it. Oh well. I stil like my other ones better. Thoughts?

Ifuritas-fan
February 27, 2006, 02:27 AM
Where are all the Chunnin Exam predictions stemming from? Just because Kishi mentioned that several of the old Konoha Genins moved up in rank after the 2 1/2 years (and their specific ranks) that doesnt mean they need to show us another tournament just so that the reader sees Naruto ascend to chunnin.


Actually, the starting point for all the chuunin exam "predictions" was me. As soon as Sai was given his little "gift" to take on the mission, I posted that I thought it was an invite to the Chuunin exam. You see.. if you go back to Vol 11 you'll see that the Kazekage was sent a letter from Konoha.. That letter contained limitations for what the hidden sand could send to the exam. I said that I felt that Sai's gift was a similar letter... one that tells hidden sound how many gennin it can send to the exam.
As to "Just because Kishi mentioned that several of the old Konoha Genins moved up in rank after the 2 1/2 years" ... I'd suggest you read this.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4938/narutoch247p064xz.th.png (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=narutoch247p064xz.png)
In there you'll see that it's not just that they advanced in rank, but that they specifically mention that there will be another one exam soon, and they ask Naruto if he'll be attending. The fact that this is stressed so clearly is a good hint that something will happen in this regards.
Do the math.. it's not hard.

Chuunin exam.. Naruto attends... guess who else likely hasn't advanced in rank? Sasuke and Kabuto. Gee... what are we hoping to see? A fight between Naruto and Sasuke which is jutsu baed and not Kyuubi and CS based? Hmmm... I'd sat a chuunin exam fits the bill perfectly.
It's not just about Naruto gaining rank.. its a reason for them both to show us what they've learned, as well as to show what they are really like now. It's also a chance to bring in the Akatsuki who you know will be after Naruto.



Actually it would be a waste. With so many of the other old genins already chuunin, we would just be following Naruto alone through the exam. At most, if at all, (and if Kishi even WANTS Naruto to rise in rank before he becomes hokage), well see a chapter or two just showing Naruto breezing right through the exams to become chunnin. And Konohamaru as the new POWERFUL character? Notice how I capitalize powerful. That sounds more like a joke right now than anything else (no offense). I mean sure hes getting to the age Naruto was in Part 1, and he is the grandson of Sandaime. But the most weve seen him pull out is the sexy no jutsu, and up to now, and throughout all of Part 1, Konohamaru has been acting as comic relief whenever he appears, as well as to show a mentor-like side of Naruto (much less of the latter). Perhaps if Kishi does indeed do a part 3, well see Konohamaru as a real Shinobi. For now, the powerful character (I thought it was Sai too, dont know where everyones getting that theirs another..please share the info), is up in the air.


Hate to break it to you, but the series has this other element to it... it's called humor. Konohamaru will likely be on Naruto's team when he goes scrambling trying to find people to team up with on his return to Konoha. As to the thing about a new strong character, Kishimoto said that there would be a new one in an interview, I believe it was the same interview he talked about there being a barker cast to the story in part 2.. .and that there would be a romance. ... could be that the new strong character willl appear in the exam if it happens as I predict. Also we've gotta give Sasuke a chance to show us how evil or not evil he's become, and to show what he's learned when he shows up. What do you want? Dramatic appearances without preamble, and lotsa fights without reasons? He's telling us a story, things need to unfold. He basically hit us over the head with the Chuunin exam ref, and that Shikamaru will be an examiner... who was on last issues cover? Shikamaru in his chuunin examiners jacket... and in that issue Sai shows up to give Orochimaru (who contacting was indeed his mission after all as I predicted when he first was given his "secret" mission. When Sai didn't do anything to Naruto, I knew that the mission had to involve the spy... and that meant that it had to do with contacting or giving a message to the sound, since the spy came from the sound, the spy must know the way back to the sound. Pretty simple really... Only thing was, everyone said I was wrong... *shrugs*... Guess I'm not so wrong after all... And I'll say it again... Chuunin exam... watch and see.

glasskatana
February 27, 2006, 03:22 AM
@ Ifuritas-fan
But wouldn't the chuunin exam already have started? Wasn't it about to start when Naruto was going on this mission. He'd have to wait another 6 months before we saw him enter an exam, and then Sasuke's body would have already been taken over. But considering your current track record I'm not going to start screaming that your theory is idiotic, cause it might just blow up in my face later.

Ifuritas-fan
February 27, 2006, 03:29 AM
@ Ifuritas-fan
But wouldn't the chuunin exam already have started? Wasn't it about to start when Naruto was going on this mission. He'd have to wait another 6 months before we saw him enter an exam, and then Sasuke's body would have already been taken over. But considering your current track record I'm not going to start screaming that your theory is idiotic, cause it might just blow up in my face later.

Oh.. heh... thanks for the props on my track record.. heh... Well, I hope that it stays at the level I've kept it.

One thing on that... I'm gonna add... I think Naruto was in control of the kn4 right up till the point that Kabuto said he just lost consciousness.
At that point... I think he's still aware of what's going on... (that he'll remember hurting Sakura) but that he lost control.

Anyway.. back to the chuunin exam thing.
Already under way? Nope... Remember... Kazekage kidnapped? Sounds like a good reason to delay.

But even then... The day after that announcement they went for their first mission... and it was the Gaara rescue. They dashed directly to the sand... that's 2 days I think... cured Kankaro, then dashed to rescue Gaara. The Akatsuki had to do a rush job and just barely finished it.

Plus, gotta remember... it was only a few days after they rescued Gaara that they had to meet Kabutop on the bridge... I think it was 9 or 10 days tops. And this fight took, what? like ten minutes? So we're talking a couple weeks since that little encounter.

So grand total... a couple weeks... maybe three I think.

Plenty of time to turn back around.. head back , recover in Konoha, and await the arrival of Sasuke.


Oh yeah.. one other thing... heh.. You can't tell me that Orochimaru wouldn't LOVE to sit right next to Tsunade during the exam and taunt her with how powerful his latest creation (Sasuke) is as he dominates the Tourney "Ku ku ku, He was going to waste here in this peace loving place. Uner my teachings, he has become a true shinobi."

animefeen
February 27, 2006, 03:32 AM
@ Ifuritas-fan
But wouldn't the chuunin exam already have started? Wasn't it about to start when Naruto was going on this mission. He'd have to wait another 6 months before we saw him enter an exam, and then Sasuke's body would have already been taken over. But considering your current track record I'm not going to start screaming that your theory is idiotic, cause it might just blow up in my face later.


The Exam didnt start yet there were in preparations for the new exam and we saw talks of the preps. in the beginning after the time skip. I agree with Ifuritas-fan after all the author is a DB fan and we all know in DB there were two things that always remain constant around the telling of the story and that is one training to get better and two the tournment...arent those events taking place in Naruto..I guess Ifuritas-fan and myself will be the only believers of a new exam..

glasskatana
February 27, 2006, 03:46 AM
But why would Danzou have control over who could go to the chuunin exams? Why would anyone let the hidden sound who killed the kazekage, and the hokage, as well as attempted to destroy the leaf, fooled and betrayed the sand, and 'kidnapped' a precious Konoha ninja into the chuunin exams. Who the hell would have the power to stop Naruto from going uber-kyuubi mode on everyone's ass when he sees Sasuke. Why would Sasuke even show his face and risk being held prisoner by Konoha so that Oro can't take him back.

Why would Oro want to go back to Konoha or risk having something happen to Sasuke? There are so many problems with the theory. I'm not trying to be evil or anything its just that it doesn't make much sense to me, but as I said before, watch me be wrong and have you text-laugh in my face. The only reason Oro was even interested in the chuunin exams in the first place was to 1.) destroy the leaf at which he failed in a body that was likely more capable than the one he has now, 2.) convert Sasuke ang give him a CS which he accomplished. What would be the purpose? HOW THE HELL WOULD ANYONE LET OROCHIMARU JUST SIT IN KONOHA NEXT TO TSUNADE. EVERY PERSON IN KONOHA AND THE SAND WOULD BE JUMPING AT HIS FREAKING THROAT!!!!!!

Maybe there will be an exam that Naruto will participate in, but I doubt Oro or Sasuke would be there. Sasuke's made it pretty obvious that rank means nothing to him now. Only power matters. Itachi was still a chuunin when he slaughtered every uchiha in Konoha except Sasuke. Also I think both Naruto and Sasuke are being kept as genin to emphasize the fact that they are equals/parallels, and that they have goals for which they are willing to sacrifice lesser things, like becoming a chuunin. Its also pretty obvious that no one treats Naruto like a genin. Possilbly because he was training with Jiraiya for the past 3 years, and he just happens to kick ass. Kakashi called himself, Sakura, and Naruto equal ninja. I can't argue anymore, it isn't healthy for me or this thread.

still a good idea though, I once had a dream that went along the lines of Sasuke wearing someone else's face and facing off against Naruto in the final battle of the chuunin exam. Luckily most of the dreams I have had about Naruto (none of which are innapropriate...perverts) have not been prophetic in any way shape or nature.

Ifuritas-fan
February 27, 2006, 04:07 AM
But why would Danzou have control over who could go to the chuunin exams?


The Hokage doesn't make all the decisions in the village. If she did, nothing would get done. It would be a bureaucratic bottleneck that would prevent any work from being done. The village council exists to take care of the bureaucratic things... like the Chuunin exam.


Why would anyone let the hidden sound who killed the kazekage, and the hokage, as well as attempted to destroy the leaf, fooled and betrayed the sand, and 'kidnapped' a precious Konoha ninja into the chuunin exams.

Good question... Ask yourself this while you're at it and I think the answer is clear.
Why were there hidden stone nins in the Chuunin exam without anyone making a fuss? I mean they'd been at war with the Leaf about 13 years prior. The answer is clear, it was no big deal for them to be there because they'd obviously been doing it enough that it was no big deal. That means at least 4 or 5 exams worth... and if you figure that the exam moves around... bare minimum time frame would be 4 or 5 years worth of exams. That means that they'd resumed being included within 4 or 5 years of the end of the war with the leaf. So there is precident.



Who the hell would have the power to stop Naruto from going uber-kyuubi mode on everyone's ass when he sees Sasuke. Why would Sasuke even show his face and risk being held prisoner by Konoha so that Oro can't take him back.

Ummm Yamato... like he did in this last chapter. And he wouldn't go Kyuubi on Sasuke anyway.. he doesn't hate him.
Why would Sasuke show his face? Because Naruto is there... and he knows that Itachi is after Naruto.... Good enough reason what with Orochimaru coming up on body taking time and all. As to why he'd not be afraid. I'm sure that the invite to all gennin has a form of diplomatic immunity attached to it to ensure the safety of a hidden villiages' gennin. If Konoha violated that, they'd likely be attacked as provacaturs.



Why would Oro want to go back to Konoha or risk having something happen to Sasuke? There are so many problems with the theory. I'm not trying to be evil or anything its just that it doesn't make much sense to me, but as I said before, watch me be wrong and have you text-laugh in my face.


Anyone that knows me knows I don't text laugh at good questions.
All excellent questions... and again... the invite for the Gennin and escorts seems to carry a form of diplomatic immunity with it. So long as the candidates don't go looking for a fight.. they can't be touched.. otherwise noone would send their gennin for fear of them being taken. Look at the Hyuuga for example.



The only reason Oro was even interested in the chuunin exams in the first place was to 1.) destroy the leaf at which he failed in a body that was likely more capable than the one he has now, 2.) convert Sasuke ang give him a CS which he accomplished. What would be the purpose? [b]HOW THE HELL WOULD ANYONE LET OROCHIMARU JUST SIT IN KONOHA NEXT TO TSUNADE. EVERY PERSON IN KONOHA AND THE SAND WOULD BE JUMPING AT HIS FREAKING THROAT!!!!!!


Well that's the thing. The whole ninja world thing runs on rank and agreements. If the Oto nins can't attend the exam, they can't advance their ninjas, and that means they can't take more and better paying missions. Gotta remember, the ninjas work for the Daimyo's of their nations... they bring in revenue. The Rice field country (where the oto nins are based ) is poor, so they would want to advance the oto nins to bring in better and more highly paying missions. Stuff doesn't seem to exist in a vaccuum in Kishimotos world. He's made that clear.

As to the rest.. I think you see where I'm going with it. Diplomatic immunity takes care of many hurdles... besides.. the third said it all.. there was noone in konoha that could fight oro then. There's noone that can equal him now. (cept Naruto it seems)
*shrugs*

Just wait and see.. If I'm wrong I have no problems saying "I was wrong".

glasskatana
February 27, 2006, 04:21 AM
All valid arguments (especially the one about villages having to attend the chuunin exam to get better paying missions, never thought that far into it). However the first thing that popped to my mind when you said the sound was in the rice field country which is poor was (but if they're the rice field country they should be making sake for the entire world, Jiraiya's intake of and money spent on alcohol is enough to feed a small village at least. :smile-big) I guess we'll just have to see.

Since this is the prediction thread and I just got into spill your dreams to the public mode I shall tell you another Naruto dream I had. In this one Naruto finally sees Sasuke, (who knows when this dream is taking place, all I know is that it's post-timeskip) and Sasuke is staring at him. Sasuke says "there is no need for words" as he takes a fighting stance. Naruto however takes off his headband and begins shuffling in his pockets. Sasuke says "what are you doing." Naruto puts on a head band and says "reminding you of who you are" as he puts on the scratched leaf-headband from the fight between him and sasuke.

DarkManSharingan32
February 27, 2006, 06:48 AM
It would take me far too long to reply to what Ifurita's has said, so i'll just focus on the Chuunin exam portion. Honestly, besides from it being totally redundant, and boring... Naruto doesn't have a three man team to even participate. Genin teams have already been decided.. and i don't believe they will disband a team so Naruto can join in... (this also means that Kishi has to invent new characters... which is pointless since they wont get developed much. ) AND... Naruto's team wont have any teamwork... since it's developed from being together over time...

And your point about the Rock-Village doesnt really mean much... because there is a treaty that all disputes would be disputes through the Chuunin exams. Thus it doesnt matter if they were at war 12 years ago... because they are at peace now. (There are 2 Chuunin exams each year... so they have been at peace for about 24 chuunin exams...)


Finally.. and the most glaring mis-truth of your whole theory was that Orochimaru doesnt give a damn about the poor people in the rice country. In fact the whole rice-country thing is entirely filler. Orochimaru trains his own ninjas, and they don't go on missions... why? Because they can just take whatever they want... If you are looking for a reason this fictional Rice Village is poor... its probably because they exausted the resources there. Orochimaru hates Konoha, and could care less about advancing Sasuke through their means... Honestly, Kabuto didnt fail the Chuunin exams because he was stupid... he was there to scout potential joinees to Sound-village via Cursed-Seals. Orochimaru never cared about Kabuto's level... and why with Sasuke... who could care LESS about going back to the village he ran away from.

Lets add to this... that Orochimaru, Sasuke, and Kabuto are all highly ranked Missing-Nin from Konoha... and your theory gets a few more holes poked in it. (Missing nin hunted down by ANBU-type nin, and capable ninja from other countries... Think about Zabuza.)


And to close this off...

Yeah, maybe there is no-one in Konoha who can match up to Orochimaru one-on-one... But if the likes of Gai, Kakashi, Tsunade, and Jiraiya (and even a pissed off Naruto) are there.... yeah... i think they might be able to pin him down a bit

akahigi
February 27, 2006, 09:23 AM
haha but Orochimaru body is rejecting him now and he said he have sasuke, i really doubt Orochimaru would go sit beside Tsunade in his weaken state and taunting her about how strong sasuke have grown, and i don't really think Orochimaru wants to wait another 3 years to take over Sasuke body, but the question how is he gonna take over Sasuke body in his weaken state now.

Miso
February 27, 2006, 09:40 AM
Where are all the Chunnin Exam predictions stemming from? Just because Kishi mentioned that several of the old Konoha Genins moved up in rank after the 2 1/2 years (and their specific ranks) that doesnt mean they need to show us another tournament just so that the reader sees Naruto ascend to chunnin. Actually it would be a waste. With so many of the other old genins already chuunin, we would just be following Naruto alone through the exam. At most, if at all, (and if Kishi even WANTS Naruto to rise in rank before he becomes hokage), well see a chapter or two just showing Naruto breezing right through the exams to become chunnin.
...


I do agree. A chuunin exam was useful in the earlier part of the series to get to know more about how the Naruto/Ninja world works as well as to introduce new characters, also from other countries.
It was interesting and showed a great development in everyone's fighting abilities as well as in the different kind of fighting types.
Remember, we didn't even know that there may be shinobi who only fight with taijutsu (Lee) or who have the special taijutsu type (Neji).
Another, second, chuunin exam would be a waste of storytelling IMO. Now that we know how the thing works it isn't as special as before.
And I really think there is no need for a chuunin exam to process Naruto's development. With the current story arc there are so many other ways to show off his fighting abilities as he has to go against strong shinobi like Orochimaru and most likely Sasuke and other Akatsuki.
So it is a more unlikely prediction in my opinion.

Galth
February 27, 2006, 09:49 AM
Perhaps we will see a small timeskip again, as in: Hey naruto! i heard you participated the chunin exam this last month! when will you hear the result? or something...

Supreme Alchemist Fan
February 27, 2006, 02:09 PM
Heres my question to you guys,what makes you think Oro would let Sasuke enter in the Chuunin Exams? I mean all Oro wants is Sasukes body. Why would he let his soon to be body get damaged by competeing in the Chuunin Exams,unless he wanted to just show him off?

Miso
February 27, 2006, 02:22 PM
Yeah...that has already been discussed somewhere (perhaps the 296 thread?).
Oro would be a baka if he would allow Sasuke to come to a Chuunin exam. And second, why should Sasuke do? There is no need for that. His goal is to kill Itachi, a participation in the exam is useless.

Galth
February 27, 2006, 02:32 PM
Sasuke would go to fight some strong oponnents, like perhaps Naruto if he participated, but it wouldn't be a cool entrance for the most-awaited character in part two, and kill the suspense of it... i don't think the Kishi would do that...

hatakescarecrow
February 27, 2006, 03:50 PM
U forget. Sasuke now only wishes to gain strength in any way he can. other than killing naruto. In other words, he is most likely rather be learning moves from oro than taking part in some exam.

Predator
February 27, 2006, 04:05 PM
If the exam really takes place, Sasuke will be already introduced. Arrival is the least probable option.
I believe we must wait until chapter 300 to make further longterm predictions.

And also... Chuunin exam would be a perfect background for the inner affair arc, which is brewing here. It's a pain in the rear part if we have to follow two parallel stories (mission and "back in the village" parts). More of it I think that there could really be teams (Konohamaru again :s) where one of the members doesn't want to take the exam, so Naruto could fill his place.

Ifuritas-fan
February 27, 2006, 04:05 PM
First off, as a preface, I'm more or less not gonna debate the issue beyond the end of the post. It's pointless in my opinion to debate whether or not a second exam being held is a bad plot decision or not on Kishimoto's part. If he chooses to go with it... he does and I have faith he can tell it well if he does. That's why he's the Manga-ka and we aren't.

I'm more than content to simply wait and see.

That said... not once has anyone challeged the issue of whether the mention of another chuunin exam was or was not a throw away issue. This is the central point to why I feel it's a possibility, and there's been noone that has given a sufficient reason why such a comment would be a throw away. The fact that it was mentioned not once, not twice, but three times is being conspicuously ignored.

Many feel that another exam is poor storytelling... and that's fine. It's a perfectly valid opinion. The question is, does the fact that you feel it's poor ploting mean that it will not happen?

If you'd said a month ago that Naruto could possibly and believably fight Oro to a standstill, you've have been called an idiot. Well, here we are a month later, we've had a series of awsome chapters, and look where we are.

Anyway... some good points raised.



It would take me far too long to reply to what Ifurita's has said, so i'll just focus on the Chuunin exam portion. Honestly, besides from it being totally redundant, and boring... Naruto doesn't have a three man team to even participate. Genin teams have already been decided.. and i don't believe they will disband a team so Naruto can join in... (this also means that Kishi has to invent new characters... which is pointless since they wont get developed much. ) AND... Naruto's team wont have any teamwork... since it's developed from being together over time...

Let me ask you something, I mentioned it above, but I'll ask it plainly "when has Kishimoto ever created such a comment in the story and used it as a throw away?" Remember Kakashi's comment about creating a "brilliant new jutsu" right after the bell test? It took months, but we got to see it in the Gaara arc. Likewise, the Exam was mentioned after that, and it was mentioned not once, not twice, but no less than three times in that issue. Once at the meeting with Shikamaru, once when Gaara met with his advisors, and once with Iruka.

I could understand him throwing it out once as a throw away, but THREE TIMES? Come on!!! He's driving a point home. No way is that a throw away line with it being mentioned three times.

As to a team, simple enough... Udon gets a cold... Konohamaru corps needs a replacement... "Oh look, Oyabun, we need your help." Poof, there ya go, ready made team. Konohamaru, Moegi, Naruto.


And your point about the Rock-Village doesnt really mean much... because there is a treaty that all disputes would be disputes through the Chuunin exams.


What? Where do you get this little factoid? There's no such treaty. The Chuunin exam isn't used to settle disputes, it's used for the various Shinobi factions to gauge each other's strengths. It's a replacement for actual war... but I don't remember them saying that the outcome of the exam "decides" anything.



Thus it doesnt matter if they were at war 12 years ago... because they are at peace now. (There are 2 Chuunin exams each year... so they have been at peace for about 24 chuunin exams...)


*sigh* Look, the exams are not all held at Konoha. So even being generous and having half of them there, that's still only 12 exams. You can bet that there were several exams that were held in Konoha that the stone did not attend right after the war. Why? because the escort Jounin teachers would have been wanted by the other side as part of clan feuds or whatever. A cooling down period is a given where everyone settles down and tries to let bygones be bygones of the 3rd shinobi war. But these things take time and even then there is discomfort for a time once relations start normalizing. There was no such "uncomfortableness" evident in the Stone being there... so that means that after a few years, it's likely that the feud between the sound and leaf would be settled down.



Finally.. and the most glaring mis-truth of your whole theory was that Orochimaru doesnt give a damn about the poor people in the rice country. In fact the whole rice-country thing is entirely filler. Orochimaru trains his own ninjas, and they don't go on missions... why? Because they can just take whatever they want.


Lemme guess, you're one of these "I'm a fan of the Sound, and like the sound, we're a small group, yet feared by all" type of person, right?
Oy vey.
Look, the fact that they sent ninjas to the first exam says that they ARE taking missions. Otherwise everyone would tell them, "Ummm.. no... you don't take missions, therefore get lost.



If you are looking for a reason this fictional Rice Village is poor... its probably because they exausted the resources there.

*slaps forehead*
Read the manga... hell even watch the anime... they talk about how the Oto nins are from the rice field country and they say that the Daimyo is poor and that Orochimaru is manipulating him.

As to the rest... whatever... believe one way or the other, I'm not debating whether or not the choice is a good one, I'm simply making a prediction and why I believe it to be so. The fact that the exam was mentioned three times in the same manga just tells me that it's not a throw away line.

Guess I'll be hearing you saying "Gee, you were right" if I'm proven right. I know I don't have a problem with saying "Gee, I was wrong" if I'm proven wrong.

animefeen
February 27, 2006, 04:37 PM
Ifuritas-fan how do you have the time to write such long arse replies geeez..

Crimson
February 27, 2006, 05:17 PM
If you'd said a month ago that Naruto could possibly and believably fight Oro to a standstill, you've have been called an idiot. Well, here we are a month later, we've had a series of awsome chapters, and look where we are.

Actually a meeting with Orochimaru was inevitable as both Naruto and Sakura wanted to know of Sasuke's whereabouts. The methods Kishi used to arrive at that meeting were the unexpected factors.


Let me ask you something, I mentioned it above, but I'll ask it plainly "when has Kishimoto ever created such a comment in the story and used it as a throw away?" Remember Kakashi's comment about creating a "brilliant new jutsu" right after the bell test? It took months, but we got to see it in the Gaara arc. Likewise, the Exam was mentioned after that, and it was mentioned not once, not twice, but no less than three times in that issue. Once at the meeting with Shikamaru, once when Gaara met with his advisors, and once with Iruka.

I could understand him throwing it out once as a throw away, but THREE TIMES? Come on!!! He's driving a point home. No way is that a throw away line with it being mentioned three times.

As to a team, simple enough... Udon gets a cold... Konohamaru corps needs a replacement... "Oh look, Oyabun, we need your help." Poof, there ya go, ready made team. Konohamaru, Moegi, Naruto.
This is just truly wishful thinking. Yea I fully understand the fact that he mentioned it three times and that increases the possibility of their being a chunnin exam. But the novelty of Naruto participating in a chunnin exam is gone. If it does happen, I dont expect him to go ahead and throw in genin characters that he has BARELY developed at all (Konohamaru corps). If anything, that theory of a mini timeskip I saw earlier (last page I think) is more plausible. We could see some of it taking place over the course of a couple of chapters, and then we have Naruto as a chunnin. Actually, now that I think about it, Naruto could be giving his chunnin title directly because of his track record and given the opportunity to participate in a Jounin exam? This sounds far more plausible (and would be a step AHEAD in the storyline) as theirs still plenty of the old genins which are still chuunin. Also, it would be a completely new test, fresh, and with a DEFINATE possibility of adding new powerful characters. *slaps himself for not thinking of this earlier*. Yea Im now seeing this as a possibility. Kishi could very well be fooling you into thinking hes doing another CHUNNIN exam when hes actually going to be showing a JOUNIN exam, hehehe. But, just as well, this is also wishful thinking, -_- .


so that means that after a few years, it's likely that the feud between the sound and leaf would be settled down.
SURE, RIGHT. Look, the Stone didnt kill any hokages okay? Orochimaru KILLED both the KAZEKAGE AND the HOKAGE. This is a completely different situation here. Allowing a Ridiculously High level Threat Bingo Book Nin back into Konoha would be considered extremely Taboo. As weve seen so far, even Chunnins and Jounins come a dime aplenty in this series. Kage's on the other hand are the sacred heads of the villages. And Orochimaru, the Head (not Kage) of the Sound village (if it should even be CALLED a village) just so happened too MURDER two of them. The feud between the sound and the leaf will not settle down until Orochimaru has been killed. And remember, now its sorta the feud between Sound and Leaf/Sand, as the Sand are are in debt of Konoha for helping to save their Kage (Gaara). Considering the double cross of Orochimaru to the Sand (also MURDERING their Kage), I doubt they would want him anywhere NEAR their shinobi's/kunoichis.*counts how many times he emphasized murder in this paragraph*


Look, the fact that they sent ninjas to the first exam says that they ARE taking missions. Otherwise everyone would tell them, "Ummm.. no... you don't take missions, therefore get lost.
No, they sent them their to get info on Sasuke. They said so themselves back in the forest of death remember? That they were not interested in the exams but were there to capture Sasuke (that was the orders they were given but in actuality he just wanted them to "test" Sasukes strength after the seal was given to him. As well as to serve as containers for his Forbidden jutsu when he would eventually fight Sandaime).


Read the manga... hell even watch the anime... they talk about how the Oto nins are from the rice field country and they say that the Daimyo is poor and that Orochimaru is manipulating him.
Its not in the manga that I remember. Its only in the anime fillers. (I might be wrong here though)



Ifuritas-fan how do you have the time to write such long arse replies geeez..

If your "into" the topic it actually doesnt take too long; well as long as u can type decently fast, :p

Ifuritas-fan
February 27, 2006, 05:49 PM
Ifuritas-fan how do you have the time to write such long arse replies geeez..


I type 50 words a minute or so. So, I can just rattle away at the keyboard and poof, longe arsed reply. Posted at: February 27, 2006, 02:41:44 PM_________________________________________________

No, they sent them their to get info on Sasuke. They said so themselves back in the forest of death remember?


Again, not gonna debate if it's good story telling or not... That isn't your, or my call.

Kishi did say he'd be introducing new, and strong characters... could be sai and Yamato .. maybe not. Who knows?

As to the mission of the sound nins, yes, that was their actual MISSION... I'm talking about their COVER...

Their [b]cover story was that they were there, just like everyone else, to get promoted. The cover story that they need to be promoted means that they needed Chuunin (Gennin normally handle d and low c rank, Chuunin handle the C&B rank normally) in the Oto nin village to handle better jobs. If they don't have a plausible reason to be there... they'd have been turned away. I mean what do you think they did? Walk up to the test registar and when asked why they are there reply, "We're here under the orders of Orochimaru to gather information on Uchiha Sasuke."

Ummm... no. The reason they were "supposedly" there was to get promoted to take higher rank missions. It's fairly straight forward. To make it plausible, their villiage would have to take missions to warrent their need to seek promotion. Without one, the other doesn't follow.

Crimson
February 27, 2006, 05:58 PM
I type 50 words a minute or so. So, I can just rattle away at the keyboard and poof, longe arsed reply. Posted at: February 27, 2006, 02:41:44 PM_________________________________________________
Again, not gonna debate if it's good story telling or not... That isn't your, or my call.

Kishi did say he'd be introducing new, and strong characters... could be sai and Yamato .. maybe not. Who knows?

As to the mission of the sound nins, yes, that was their actual MISSION... I'm talking about their COVER...

Their cover story was that they were there, just like everyone else, to get promoted. The cover story that they need to be promoted means that they needed Chuunin (Gennin normally handle d and low c rank, Chuunin handle the C&B rank normally) in the Oto nin village to handle better jobs. If they don't have a plausible reason to be there... they'd have been turned away. I mean what do you think they did? Walk up to the test registar and when asked why they are there reply, "We're here under the orders of Orochimaru to gather information on Uchiha Sasuke."

Ummm... no. The reason they were "supposedly" there was to get promoted to take higher rank missions. It's fairly straight forward. To make it plausible, their villiage would have to take missions to warrent their need to seek promotion. Without one, the other doesn't follow.


[b]True but Its no longer plausible for the sound village to send Nins to "pariticpate to get stronger" though, as Orochimaru's already lifted that cover and demonstrated to all that he just wanted to Destroy Konoha and Kill both the Kazekage and the Hokage. Therefore sending any more Sound Village Nins to Konoha would not have the same effect, as the village knows, in retrospect, what Orochimaru's true ambitions are (especially considering Tsunade, the current Godaime, heard it herself while fighting Oro in the Sannin arc). This is one of the many reasons why IF their is another exam of ANY sort, Oro wont participate, with or without Danzou's help.

kadoman
February 27, 2006, 06:30 PM
Wow...do you guys have like, a PhD in Naruto or something? I cannot believe how in-depth you go! Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing! I learn so much from your posts! But yeah...amazing...the knowledge...!

DarkManSharingan32
February 27, 2006, 07:15 PM
True but Its no longer plausible for the sound village to send Nins to "pariticpate to get stronger" though, as Orochimaru's already lifted that cover and demonstrated to all that he just wanted to Destroy Konoha and Kill both the Kazekage and the Hokage. Therefore sending any more Sound Village Nins to Konoha would not have the same effect, as the village knows, in retrospect, what Orochimaru's true ambitions are (especially considering Tsunade, the current Godaime, heard it herself while fighting Oro in the Sannin arc). This is one of the many reasons why IF their is another exam of ANY sort, Oro wont participate, with or without Danzou's help.



In my absence... you have pretty much handled the argument for me... i thank you for arguing it so well. I even like your Jounin exam line... very plausible...

OK... now back to Ifuritas.... you said:



What? Where do you get this little factoid? There's no such treaty. The Chuunin exam isn't used to settle disputes, it's used for the various Shinobi factions to gauge each other's strengths. It's a replacement for actual war... but I don't remember them saying that the outcome of the exam "decides" anything.


You contradict yourself heavily... and i'll prove it...


Well that's the thing. The whole ninja world thing runs on rank and agreements. If the Oto nins can't attend the exam, they can't advance their ninjas, and that means they can't take more and better paying missions. Gotta remember, the ninjas work for the Daimyo's of their nations... they bring in revenue.

THIS is what the Chuunin exams decided... Who gets the most missions, ect. Now, how do you think other villages gained notoriety/missions before the invention of the Chuunin exams? Wars... they just plain fought it out.... and the winner was deemed the strongest. I beleive Sandaime expains this fact before the Preliminaries...
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I type 50 words a minute or so. So, I can just rattle away at the keyboard and poof, longe arsed reply. Posted at: February 27, 2006, 02:41:44 PM_________________________________________________
Again, not gonna debate if it's good story telling or not... That isn't your, or my call.

Kishi did say he'd be introducing new, and strong characters... could be sai and Yamato .. maybe not. Who knows?

As to the mission of the sound nins, yes, that was their actual MISSION... I'm talking about their COVER...

Their [b]cover story was that they were there, just like everyone else, to get promoted. The cover story that they need to be promoted means that they needed Chuunin (Gennin normally handle d and low c rank, Chuunin handle the C&B rank normally) in the Oto nin village to handle better jobs. If they don't have a plausible reason to be there... they'd have been turned away. I mean what do you think they did? Walk up to the test registar and when asked why they are there reply, "We're here under the orders of Orochimaru to gather information on Uchiha Sasuke."

Ummm... no. The reason they were "supposedly" there was to get promoted to take higher rank missions. It's fairly straight forward. To make it plausible, their villiage would have to take missions to warrent their need to seek promotion. Without one, the other doesn't follow.



Now here... i dont know what you mean exactly. Are you using their COVER (which is a lie) to back up your argument for why Orochimaru brough genin to the exams? Well, it doesnt matter... i have already stated (to which you expertly avoided), that Orochimaru doent have a reason to care about gaining money or fame from the Chuunin exams. He USED it as a way to destroy Konoha... i just dont see how you make the jump to believeing that Oro somehow needs help maintaining his villiage. Kabuto also said... that they do not stay in one place very long...whether or not that was a lie or not i dunno. (But you usually tell the truth to someone you are about to kill... all villians do it lol) But this means that they are most likely not in Rice Country very much...
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Lemme guess, you're one of these "I'm a fan of the Sound, and like the sound, we're a small group, yet feared by all" type of person, right?
Oy vey.
Look, the fact that they sent ninjas to the first exam says that they ARE taking missions. Otherwise everyone would tell them, "Ummm.. no... you don't take missions, therefore get lost.

It's actually very possible that they completed 0 missions.... and all paper work was faked by Orochimaru.... This actually makes more sense, since it is consistent with the already large web of lies that Oro was spinning at the time.
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Finally... Udon is always sick... so :P
And doing something like that to him just plain ruins another chance for Kishi to develop a character he created...
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Wow...do you guys have like, a PhD in Naruto or something? I cannot believe how in-depth you go! Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing! I learn so much from your posts! But yeah...amazing...the knowledge...!


I dunno if i am included in this... but i'll just say... IF we all could legitimately get a PhD in Naruto, we'd take it with pride.... then use it as evidence for superiority...lol

Botzu
February 27, 2006, 07:22 PM
i cant see naruto going through the chunin exam... but i can see konohamaru going through it... i mean... naruto being jounin level taking the chunin exam? kinda would be unfair to everyone else participating...

enzomars
February 27, 2006, 07:43 PM
Hum ! As i said before i'm don't really like the idea of having a new chuunin exam in Naruto,but that's
all personal reasons ( boring + huge waist of time ).
But we can't ignore the fact that it's ve been mentionned. So it's still a possibility.

The part i can't understand in Ifuritas-fan's theory is to try by all means to get Orochimaru, Sasuke and the Sound
Village (which i don't consider as a Village - i already said why early in this topic) involved in this new exam.

So i'll just say: Chuunin exam - Maybe, but if so, Orochimaru & Co ivolvement - way more discreet than
you're predicting

UzumakiRoman
February 27, 2006, 08:12 PM
This is just truly wishful thinking. Yea I fully understand the fact that he mentioned it three times and that increases the possibility of their being a chunnin exam. But the novelty of Naruto participating in a chunnin exam is gone. If it does happen, I dont expect him to go ahead and throw in genin characters that he has BARELY developed at all (Konohamaru corps). If anything, that theory of a mini timeskip I saw earlier (last page I think) is more plausible. We could see some of it taking place over the course of a couple of chapters, and then we have Naruto as a chunnin. Actually, now that I think about it, Naruto could be giving his chunnin title directly because of his track record and given the opportunity to participate in a Jounin exam? This sounds far more plausible (and would be a step AHEAD in the storyline) as theirs still plenty of the old genins which are still chuunin. Also, it would be a completely new test, fresh, and with a DEFINATE possibility of adding new powerful characters. *slaps himself for not thinking of this earlier*. Yea Im now seeing this as a possibility. Kishi could very well be fooling you into thinking hes doing another CHUNNIN exam when hes actually going to be showing a JOUNIN exam, hehehe. But, just as well, this is also wishful thinking, -_- .


i don't think the second chunnin exam is such a bad idea. i think this will be a chance to let Naruto shine and to show many people in the shinobi world how far he has come as a ninja trained by the legendary Sannin Jiraiya. also people talkin about konohamaru and someone else makin a team with Naruto, i would say that would only be a chance to put Naruto thru the exam. i think konohamaru and the other would get bounced at preliminaries. This should also make everyone remember that Naruto is the main character, because there is alot of thought and people talkin about Sasuke when he hasn't even shown up yet after time skip, and i hope kishi has picked up on this! We need a Naruto extravaganza without Kyuubi! i wanna see how far he has come along without Kyuubi chakra!

now in the first exam we saw the 9 rookies plus Gai's team. we haven't seen any genins that stand out under Naruto's class, and why should we? this is also a chance to have ninja from the other shinobi nations show off their skill!

Also during the first chunnin exam Gaara was WAY beyond chunnin skill level!! He was the son of Kazekage, taught by Kazekage, and a jinchuuriki!!
i would say it would be interesting for Naruto to face highly skilled ninja from the other nations in this exam in the preliminaries and finals. And i would actually like to see the exam finals finished(that would mean alot of shinobi battles).

Also DBZ used the tournament many times to advance story and i know alot of people like the tourney's!!!

oh and that Jounin exam line IS interesting!!!!!!!!!!

animefeen
February 27, 2006, 08:16 PM
I personally would like to see a female character be introduce with great strenght or improve the ones that are in place. I mean its like the females of the story are kinda weak with the exception of a couple. I do predict that in the next chapter Sakaura will have alot of questions for naruto and we will prolly get a flashback to his training that has taken place.

Yamato is such an idot he was given two responsiblities keep Naruto in check and keep an eye on Sai, if he hadnt of release the wood clone he had on Sakura in the first place she wouldnt of got her...well yeah she would of gotten tap still but atleast he could of been seeing where the where about of sai were..

Reui
February 27, 2006, 08:34 PM
I can see Naruto going through the Chunin exam with Konohamaru's team i mean Kishimoto would easily introduce it:

Konohomaru: Boss, we need a 3rd member for the chunin exam XxXx decided he wasnt ready...
Ebisu: Konohamaru Jonin ninja's like naruto and myself cannot participate in the Chunin Exam.
Naruto: ...... Im a gennin
Ebisu: WHAT!!!! a gennin was sent to rescue the kazakage!!

It would more or less be an arc to develop Konohamaru and his other team mate as i think Naruto's fights through most of the tournament would just show him hitting the guy once and walking away.

It would also be a good way to reintroduce Sasuke, having Tsunade make Naruto enter the Chunin Exam kinda to keep The sound nins (Kabuto Sasuke and XxXx Although there identities would be hidden at the beginning of the exam) in check since only gennin can enter and Naruto would be able to watch over them. It would also develop Sasuke as being dark and twisted once he unveils himself having him fight Konohamaru and almost kill him until Naruto steps in (like the Jonin did to interrupt Hinata and Neij's fight once it was clearly over). There are plenty of other gennin that have been introduced earlier that didnt really have a point at that time but could serve a purpose for this (That Hyuuga girl maybe having a complex with a Branch member surpassing the main family).

Something needs to happen between the current position of the story and the body transfer and the Chunin exam sounds like a good place to start.

Also konohamaru is a well developed character, the only part of his character yet to be developed is his fighting style and skills which this would give a place for it to happen.

Ifuritas-fan
February 27, 2006, 08:42 PM
In my absence... you have pretty much handled the argument for me... i thank you for arguing it so well. I even like your Jounin exam line... very plausible...

OK... now back to Ifuritas.... you said:
<snipity snip>


Okay, let's put our money where our mouths are, shall we?

I have no problem being both respectful and considerate with my replies, you however seem to like antagonism.

I've been running a good solid streak of correct predictions, ones that others have been calling "far fetched" or "unlikely" right up till they actually happen, so I'm feeling fairly confident.

Therefore, how about this.. If I'm wrong, I publicly repudiate my position strongly, saying

"I'm sorry for getting so far fetched with my theories, Clearly I didn't know what I was talking about, and just as clearly Dark man sharingan knows far more than I do about the direction Kishimoto is taking the story."

However, if I'm right... you do the same and state

"I'm really sorry for getting so antagonistic over this whole thing. Clearly I didn't know what I was talking about, and just as clearly Ifurita's fan knows far more than I do about the direction Kishimoto is taking the story."

That should prove an interesting bet.

Agreed? After all, you seem so confident that you're right, surely your confidence in my being wrong is such that you'll gladdly take such a bet.

The stipulation being that if one should choose not to honor the bargin, they agree to be banned from posting until they do as agreed. Such enforcement to be asked of the mods.

Or is the risk more than you can handle?

C4animax
February 27, 2006, 08:57 PM
I can see Naruto going through the Chunin exam with Konohamaru's team i mean Kishimoto would easily introduce it:

Konohomaru: Boss, we need a 3rd member for the chunin exam XxXx decided he wasnt ready...
Ebisu: Konohamaru Jonin ninja's like naruto and myself cannot participate in the Chunin Exam.
Naruto: ...... Im a gennin
Ebisu: WHAT!!!! a gennin was sent to rescue the kazakage!!

It would more or less be an arc to develop Konohamaru and his other team mate as i think Naruto's fights through most of the tournament would just show him hitting the guy once and walking away.

It would also be a good way to reintroduce Sasuke, having Tsunade make Naruto enter the Chunin Exam kinda to keep The sound nins (Kabuto Sasuke and XxXx Although there identities would be hidden at the beginning of the exam) in check since only gennin can enter and Naruto would be able to watch over them. It would also develop Sasuke as being dark and twisted once he unveils himself having him fight Konohamaru and almost kill him until Naruto steps in (like the Jonin did to interrupt Hinata and Neij's fight once it was clearly over). There are plenty of other gennin that have been introduced earlier that didnt really have a point at that time but could serve a purpose for this (That Hyuuga girl maybe having a complex with a Branch member surpassing the main family).

Something needs to happen between the current position of the story and the body transfer and the Chunin exam sounds like a good place to start.

Also konohamaru is a well developed character, the only part of his character yet to be developed is his fighting style and skills which this would give a place for it to happen.


Ebizu knows that jiraya trained naruto, i don't see that happening(i mean they probably must be the group of the start to be allowed trhough it)...and konohamaru seems still too weak to my eyes but it's true that it would be a good moment to introduce his fight style and all(during a chuuning exam).

Some people refered to a picture showing shikamaru asking what naruto would do, may i refer you the picture where IRUKA says to naruto that he has been trained by jiraya himself and i don't think sakura went into chunnin exam as she's been under the direct training of tsunade who's the hokage.

Chuuning exam is ONE possibility, i think their are othesr possibilities as another rescue mission to another "powerfull" or not bijuu with yamato who knows, or get down some other akatsuki members, short training period, following hints to sasuke hideout (yamato's bushin is still out there and could...)...i mean there isn't much time left before orochimaruu change his body and sasuke has nothing to do in a chuunin exam, he wanted power? He has now, he wanted to kill itachi, i think that's what he'll do soon.

Next chapter : Naruto cool down, sai gets what he needs to get from oro, they all leave to konoha to see tsunade...

animefeen
February 27, 2006, 09:06 PM
Ok I will say this with all the theories I've read about the exam...this one is true in both the manga in the anime the Sandiame said that ninja's use these exam to strenghten their village thus more money...Oro knew this and didnt give a #%Y% about the exam but he did what he sought out to do and that is cripple the leaf village how many times ppl have we heard that the villiage is at a bad time now after the last exam both in fillers and manga.....NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID WHY WOULDNT THERE BE ANOTHER EXAM........

C4animax
February 27, 2006, 09:13 PM
Ok I will say this with all the theories I've read about the exam...this one is true in both the manga in the anime the Sandiame said that ninja's use these exam to strenghten their village thus more money...Oro knew this and didnt give a #%Y% about the exam but he did what he sought out to do and that is cripple the leaf village how many times ppl have we heard that the villiage is at a bad time now after the last exam both in fillers and manga.....NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID WHY WOULDNT THERE BE ANOTHER EXAM........


Naruto's goal : Find sasuke/fight akatsuki.
Sakura's goal : Find sasuke.
Sasuke's goal : Kill itachi .
Orochimaruu's goal : Get sasuke body to eventually get konoha and all his ennemies down.
Akatsuki's goal : Get all biju including Naruto .

Now for what reason should there be a chuunin exam at a time like this? orochimaruu said that he's body is being rejected...people say that it's a possibility but that's not the only one, that's why we are actually "predicting"....or i though so...

Ps : They said that 3 years ago.

DarkManSharingan32
February 27, 2006, 09:24 PM
Okay, let's put our money where our mouths are, shall we?

I have no problem being both respectful and considerate with my replies, you however seem to like antagonism.

I've been running a good solid streak of correct predictions, ones that others have been calling "far fetched" or "unlikely" right up till they actually happen, so I'm feeling fairly confident.

Therefore, how about this.. If I'm wrong, I publicly repudiate my position strongly, saying

"I'm sorry for getting so far fetched with my theories, Clearly I didn't know what I was talking about, and just as clearly Dark man sharingan knows far more than I do about the direction Kishimoto is taking the story."

However, if I'm right... you do the same and state

"I'm really sorry for getting so antagonistic over this whole thing. Clearly I didn't know what I was talking about, and just as clearly Ifurita's fan knows far more than I do about the direction Kishimoto is taking the story."

That should prove an interesting bet.

Agreed? After all, you seem so confident that you're right, surely your confidence in my being wrong is such that you'll gladdly take such a bet.

The stipulation being that if one should choose not to honor the bargin, they agree to be banned from posting until they do as agreed. Such enforcement to be asked of the mods.

Or is the risk more than you can handle?


I got no problem with that...

Sorry about my tone btw... its one of those things i cant really control over the internet.
Either way, im not trying to be that way.... i guess it just happens :P

(but i cant really see why anyone would apologize for a theory... it all chalks up to ego anyways...)

Cbot
February 27, 2006, 09:38 PM
Any spoiler pics around?

if we have them, they will both be posted in the spoiler pictures section and in the first post of this thread, so for answers to this sort of question, i suggest taking a look over there ;) ( naruto spoilers section link (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?board=25.0) ) - K

Ifuritas-fan
February 28, 2006, 12:29 AM
I got no problem with that...


Sorry about my tone btw... its one of those things i cant really control over the internet.
Either way, im not trying to be that way.... i guess it just happens :P

(but i cant really see why anyone would apologize for a theory... it all chalks up to ego anyways...)

No worries .. no worries.. it's all good and fine to be pasionate. Anyway, Done and done *shakes your hand*
Good form.. I'd rep you if I could
Sometimes the best way to finish the arguement is to let things unfold on their own... no?

Galth
February 28, 2006, 12:35 AM
Only three more posts, Ifu, and you will be able to... :D

I'd say we have about a 50% possibility Zetsu was watching this fight :eyeroll
Perhaps sai's mission is one to start a war with the wind country [hidden sand] - as they are weakened by the extracting of shukaku and the konoha invasion, and he(=Danzou) wants Orochimaru to start it or something?

Crimson
February 28, 2006, 12:42 AM
Only three more posts, Ifu, and you will be able to... :D

I'd say we have about a 50% possibility Zetsu was watching this fight :eyeroll
Perhaps sai's mission is one to start a war with the wind country [hidden sand] - as they are weakened by the extracting of shukaku and the konoha invasion, and he(=Danzou) wants Orochimaru to start it or something?

Also a possibility. Considering Danzous a war hawk anything relating to war is far more probable. But Kishi has thrown us off before, lol.

UzumakiRoman
February 28, 2006, 12:50 AM
Ok I will say this with all the theories I've read about the exam...this one is true in both the manga in the anime the Sandiame said that ninja's use these exam to strenghten their village thus more money...Oro knew this and didnt give a #%Y% about the exam but he did what he sought out to do and that is cripple the leaf village how many times ppl have we heard that the villiage is at a bad time now after the last exam both in fillers and manga.....NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID WHY WOULDNT THERE BE ANOTHER EXAM........


GOOD POINT!!!!!!!



Naruto's goal : Find sasuke/fight akatsuki.
Sakura's goal : Find sasuke.
Sasuke's goal : Kill itachi .
Orochimaruu's goal : Get sasuke body to eventually get konoha and all his ennemies down.
Akatsuki's goal : Get all biju including Naruto .

Now for what reason should there be a chuunin exam at a time like this? orochimaruu said that he's body is being rejected...people say that it's a possibility but that's not the only one, that's why we are actually "predicting"....or i though so...

Ps : They said that 3 years ago.


eventhough those are the main characters not every second of every day is spent looking for itachi/orochimaru/sasuke. and because theres how many other people in konoha who probably wanna see a chunnin exam, and looking at the first quote since chuunin exams affect a village income they probably need it!!

Sephy7KillerMech
February 28, 2006, 01:08 AM
Wow guys... Kishi is thinking too ya know? ok ok here's what i came to say. it's about the Chuunin exams.

Ok i believe we will see the chunnin exams. but we already know what happens right? wrong! on several levels that's so wrong it makes my brain hurt that you guys dont' understand what seeing the exams again could give us. First i think when we see the exams we won't be watching the action nearly as much, i think Kishi will take this time to go into the little known intricacies of what goes on in the government and what the governments of the other countries are like.
If Oro shows up with more sound nin to promote then i believe this will catapult us into talking about government and regulations and laws that we didn't know about. But i seriously doubt they would let Oro in anyway because he HAS instigated fights AT chuunin exams before, so why give him a second chance?
I think it's highly probable we will see some of the action in the exams because they are never the same twice, they always change the initial challenge, no more running through woods looking for scrolls. Because of this i think we will see Konohamaru advance into an acceptable ninja, he will of course want naruto to lead him and i think leading Konohamaru will show the examiners that he is ready for the level of ninja we all know as chuunin. I also think we will be surprised by Konohamaru and i think he will be Naruto's biggest opponent when it comes to the title of Hokage, he IS being trained by the best instructor in Konoha. I believe next time we see Konohamaru he will be smarter than naruto but won't have the stamina or brute force naruto does.

<EDIT> IT WON'T BE A BORING WASTE OF TIME TO HAVE ANOTHER EXAM!!! you all like the fight scenes right? well the second half will be the same as the first exams we saw, i'll give you that, there is always a fight at the end of the exams. THE FIRST HALF IS ALWAYS DIFFERENT!!! they said it themselves, they couldn't tell them what would happen in the first half because they didn't know! Oh and about there already being full teams? why can't the lil girl from Konohamaru's team get sick? or how about one of the genin from the other teams that hasn't been promoted yet? Has chouji been promoted or Ino? there's a team right there...

UzumakiRoman
February 28, 2006, 01:22 AM
@Sephy7KillerMech
Here! Here! Good ideas on the chuunin exam! your a friggin genius!
if you ran for president i'd vote for you!! you gotta be smarter than bush!!..lol

Galth
February 28, 2006, 01:31 AM
you gotta be smarter than bush!!..lol


[ sarcasm]Now that's really quite a feat...[/sarcasm]

Anyways, i don't think there'll be another chunin exam, and i do not believe this arc is ending yet, duh!!
Sai's mission... what's he whispering to his big slimy snake fetisjist bf!! Danzou wants to meet you under the cherrytree tonight at eight?

Though it seems the fight will not start over:
Naruto is unable to fight ( come on, he's got to be... )
Sakura is knocked down for the second time, and if she wakes up she'll want to take care of Naruto in stead of fighting any way :darn
Yamato's first priority is to protect Sakura and Naruto at the moment
Kabuto ( and Orochimaru? ) do not want to hurt Team Kakashi, just toy around a little...

so that leaves...

Yamatoclone vs Sai?! if any fight will take place at all... so my guess is the next few chapters will be talking and after that they will be chasing Sai/Orochimaru/Kabuto, either with reinforcements ( Kakashi? Gaara? ) or without...

Crimson
February 28, 2006, 01:33 AM
Yea but think about it fellow Narutards. Youd be seeing the SAME thing AGAIN if they show us this coming chuunin exam (Its gonna happen even if they dont show it). Sure the circumstances might be different, but its THE exam Ibiki gave before again, the SAME forest of Death, and more finals once more. Plus Naruto can literally kill a genin Ninja with a head on Odama Rasengan, something that by now, even considering what little weve seen of his jutsu's, shouldnt be that hard for him to pull off. Thats the kind of storytelling that makes many mangas and animes stale. And personally Kishi hasnt pulled off something to ruin Naruto yet (IMO anyway). I still think if we DO see an exam, Naruto will be given the title of Chuunin so that he can participate in a Jounin Exam. We could even see Naruto and Sakura join up with , say, Shikamaru (that would be interesting..hmm..). It just makes more sense. Of course, thats IF we see an exam at all.

Galth
February 28, 2006, 01:37 AM
That's why i believe we'll see only a small timeskip of let's say: a few weeks? ( like we've had many before ) to tell the reader Naruto has become a chuunin... But that'll probably not happen before either the body-transfer moment has arisen ( Sasuke + Orochimaru battles vs ?!? ) or Orochimaru is taken care of... ( they can't loose time because of chuunin exams, ne?)

donkeyhigh
February 28, 2006, 02:06 AM
I think it would be cool if there was another chuunin exam. Especially so we could see if the 4ths Grandson have learned anything yet.
Also, Naruto would have to manage to controll his powers, in order to not freak every poor little child away, or kill them all..

I'm also guessing, IF he were to take up the exam, he would only have to do the forrest-scroll-thingy and the final battle (probably vs someone more his size) , or just the final battle.. (maby against Neji again.. which would be really cool :) )

But that won't be happening in chapter 297.. I can tell you that much..

MadTact
February 28, 2006, 02:30 AM
Sai will say that Danzou wants to overthrow Tsuande becuase Konoha seems weak to him and probably wants Konoha to get strong at any cost. I', not sure if Danzou is really a traitor.So Oro and Danzou are similar because they didn't like the previous hokages style of leadership.

Crimson
February 28, 2006, 02:31 AM
I think it would be cool if there was another chuunin exam. Especially so we could see if the 4ths Grandson have learned anything yet.
Also, Naruto would have to manage to controll his powers, in order to not freak every poor little child away, or kill them all..

I'm also guessing, IF he were to take up the exam, he would only have to do the forrest-scroll-thingy and the final battle (probably vs someone more his size) , or just the final battle.. (maby against Neji again.. which would be really cool :) )

But that won't be happening in chapter 297.. I can tell you that much..


Nejis a Jounin. Again, more reasons why I dont think this exam could take place.

animefeen
February 28, 2006, 03:08 AM
There has to be some sort of time skip with the exam for example the written part cant be given to Narurto again....the only reason I am saying there is going to be another exam is so that the Leaf can gain stronger ninja's hense they lost alot since the last exam..

Sephy7KillerMech
February 28, 2006, 04:51 AM
You guys seriously aren't listening. They won't do forest of death again, they don't repeat the first part of the exam. The first part of the exam is always different it's never the same, they change it up, they mix it up, umm they put the exams in a blender and do different things, how many ways can i say they don't do the same exam twice. Think about it, if they did the forest of death to begin an exam every time then some leet ninja genious would just think up the perfect way to rig it and win every time, they don't want that and that's why they are always thinking up new ways to test them. The second part, the tournament, that's always the same, but the first part is always different, as in not the same, as in not a forest every time, maybe not even collecting scrolls every time.

so in summation, first part different, second part the same. thank you and goodnight.

maggi
February 28, 2006, 04:59 AM
hey' i think you're out of the topic! :darn

Sephy7KillerMech
February 28, 2006, 05:09 AM
hey' i think you're out of the topic! :darn


^.^; sorry if i am off topic, this all came up because of our predictions, i guess i could say.. i predict that they will do the chuunin exams again and that there will be no forest of death! ;P

HellbentTheGreatShinobi
February 28, 2006, 06:42 AM
lol i think sai is gonna discuss with Orochimaru about allegiance with Konoha against Akatsuki as Konoha do not wish Akatsuki to get hold of naruto nor did they want an invasion from them(looks what happened to the Sand), it will be the Danzou's idea and Tsunade properly wasnt informed.
In this way, they can keep track of sasuke too.


1. Oro attacked and almost destroyed the Konoha.
2. Oro killed he 3rd Hokage,
3. Oro performs inhumane experiments on innocent people which was against the Sandaime's will.
4. He murders for the sake of himself.
5. Plus he wants to take over Sasuke's body, this alone is one reason why Naruto will not accept a truce between the two camps

I really doubt anyone from Konoha except those that are trying to rebel would want to team up with Oro. But I believe there is a strong possibility that Kabuto might betray Oro and team up with Konoha to take revenge on the Akatsuki, because it seems that Kabuto has some kind of grudge against the organization.

Gold Knight
February 28, 2006, 06:50 AM
hey' i think you're out of the topic! :darn


I think they're fine ^^;; Sure it's not predictions for the NEXT chapter but yeah.. still predictions.

Crimson
February 28, 2006, 07:01 AM
You guys seriously aren't listening. They won't do forest of death again, they don't repeat the first part of the exam. The first part of the exam is always different it's never the same, they change it up, they mix it up, umm they put the exams in a blender and do different things, how many ways can i say they don't do the same exam twice. Think about it, if they did the forest of death to begin an exam every time then some leet ninja genious would just think up the perfect way to rig it and win every time, they don't want that and that's why they are always thinking up new ways to test them. The second part, the tournament, that's always the same, but the first part is always different, as in not the same, as in not a forest every time, maybe not even collecting scrolls every time.

so in summation, first part different, second part the same. thank you and goodnight.

:headscratch ...The forest of Death is the second part of the exam... :shifty . And where did you get that they dont repeat the first part of the exams :blink ? I thought it was the method of executing them that changed (since the examiners change every time and each examiner has his/her own unique way of giving the exam). The second part of the exam will still be taken in the forest of death anyway. If not Kabuto would not have known all about the Earth and Heaven scrolls when we first saw the chunnin exams (remember that he had taken it for quite a few years running). And theirs no way to really "rig" the exam. I mean come on, Garra and his team got to the central tower in just a few hours, lol. Almost like they walked there from the entrance to the tower, without stopping (Actually I think that was nearly the case save for that time when Garra and team stopped and Gaara killed the Umbrella needle using shinobi). It was a record time to reach the tower for the exam. So yea, another showing of the chunnin exam seems, as I continue to shoot down theories here, less and less plausible. *sigh*

Miso
February 28, 2006, 01:01 PM
Chuunin exam, chuunin exam.....well..it was pretty interesting to read your opinions about that - and I really mean that - but now it's getting a bit boring. I have the impression that everything considering the topic is said already and that we only repeat things.
Anyways, what have to be said: creds especially to Ifuritas-fan for defending her theory that there will be a chuunin exam and thanks to all the others for giving their opinion.
But now, can't we discuss about other predictions? If you really want to chat about how a next chuunin exam will be like why do not make an own topic? I mean, let's be fair, an exam won't possibly be held in the next chapter, and that's what we're discussing here.

What will happen in the next chapter?
Sai says to Oro he's a friend. As Sai is only Danzou's puppet all of his actions can be considered as planned by Danzou.
I think that Danzou isn't too friendly with the powers in charge (aka Tsunade), he will perhaps conspirate against her. On the other hand I do not think that he will open Konoha's doors to Oro necessarily as he knows that Oro hasn't positive feelings for Konoha either (aka he wants to destroy the sato).
His goal will be to become Hokage himself and shape Konoha with his beliefs but how does he want to achieve that without being overpowered by Oro?

UzumakiRoman
February 28, 2006, 01:02 PM
You guys seriously aren't listening. They won't do forest of death again, they don't repeat the first part of the exam. The first part of the exam is always different it's never the same, they change it up, they mix it up, umm they put the exams in a blender and do different things, how many ways can i say they don't do the same exam twice. Think about it, if they did the forest of death to begin an exam every time then some leet ninja genious would just think up the perfect way to rig it and win every time, they don't want that and that's why they are always thinking up new ways to test them. The second part, the tournament, that's always the same, but the first part is always different, as in not the same, as in not a forest every time, maybe not even collecting scrolls every time.

so in summation, first part different, second part the same. thank you and goodnight.


you are absolutely correct!! the same question is not always asked on the 1st exam! when ibiki's brother took chunnin exam his question was asked differently and those who stayed in the classroom failed instead of the other way around. Also ibiki may not even be this years 1st examiner!!

2nd the forest of death IS NOT the only place to hold the second part of the exam!!!! there is also Akagahara where Kakashi took his chunnin exam as well as many other areas in konoha that are gated and off limits!!! so we could see any of those places for the 2nd exam which naruto will have no memory of(since he's never been in those areas)!

And for the finals i happen to like tourney's!! i would like to see it from the 1st match to the last with heavy emphasis on Naruto and other shinobi from the other nations! My dream scenario is Naruto is the only one from Konoha to make the finals(that way all his opponents will be people we've never seen and different jutsu's we've never seen)!!!!!!!!!!!



:headscratch ...The forest of Death is the second part of the exam... :shifty . And where did you get that they dont repeat the first part of the exams :blink ? I thought it was the method of executing them that changed (since the examiners change every time and each examiner has his/her own unique way of giving the exam). The second part of the exam will still be taken in the forest of death anyway. If not Kabuto would not have known all about the Earth and Heaven scrolls when we first saw the chunnin exams (remember that he had taken it for quite a few years running). And theirs no way to really "rig" the exam. I mean come on, Garra and his team got to the central tower in just a few hours, lol. Almost like they walked there from the entrance to the tower, without stopping (Actually I think that was nearly the case save for that time when Garra and team stopped and Gaara killed the Umbrella needle using shinobi). It was a record time to reach the tower for the exam. So yea, another showing of the chunnin exam seems, as I continue to shoot down theories here, less and less plausible. *sigh*


i can see your point about Kabuto but i'm sure the second part takes place in different areas.

i can see your point about Gaara and his team but there skill was WAY ABOVE chuunin when they took the exam!!!

Also i want to point something out! We put way too much emphasis on the titles genin, chunnin, and jounin! Gaara was trained by his father Kazekage but no one even knew him at the exam, all they could talk about was the Uchiha, but that doesn't change the fact his skill was above genin and chunnin1
The same with Naruto, he's been trained by Jiraiya, so i think he's way better than genin(his rank), probably on the better side of chunnin, and if we see enough of his jutsu's and how far he's come along, he may even be jounin level!!!

DarkManSharingan32
February 28, 2006, 01:20 PM
you are absolutely correct!! the same question is not always asked on the 1st exam! when ibiki's brother took chunnin exam his question was asked differently and those who stayed in the classroom failed instead of the other way around. Also ibiki may not even be this years 1st examiner!!

2nd the forest of death IS NOT the only place to hold the second part of the exam!!!! there is also Akagahara where Kakashi took his chunnin exam as well as many other areas in konoha that are gated and off limits!!! so we could see any of those places for the 2nd exam which naruto will have no memory of(since he's never been in those areas)!

And for the finals i happen to like tourney's!! i would like to see it from the 1st match to the last with heavy emphasis on Naruto and other shinobi from the other nations! My dream scenario is Naruto is the only one from Konoha to make the finals(that way all his opponents will be people we've never seen and different jutsu's we've never seen)!!!!!!!!!!!

i can see your point about Kabuto but i'm sure the second part takes place in different areas.

i can see your point about Gaara and his team but there skill was WAY ABOVE chuunin when they took the exam!!!

Also i want to point something out! We put way too much emphasis on the titles genin, chunnin, and jounin! Gaara was trained by his father Kazekage but no one even knew him at the exam, all they could talk about was the Uchiha, but that doesn't change the fact his skill was above genin and chunnin1
The same with Naruto, he's been trained by Jiraiya, so i think he's way better than genin(his rank), probably on the better side of chunnin, and if we see enough of his jutsu's and how far he's come along, he may even be jounin level!!!




Rule 1: Never use filler to prove a point... ~Idate Race~ It's not purely by Kishimoto, so its not solid evidence.

And, personally... Id say that Gaara's attacking power was at a high chuunin level during the Chuunin Exam Arc. Gai seemed to deal with his sand strength quite easily.... while his defensinve skill rose above that into Jounin range...

And you too with the Chuunin exam thing too, eh?
Kishi has never given Naruto the full spotlight... why? Because he hasn't earned it... No matter how strong Naruto gets, he always has to depend on something to win... aka Sasuke, Kyuubi....

I don't think we will see THAT kind of soloization (<----i like this word i seemeingly made up...lol) of Naruto until he masters some more of Kyuubi...
Honestly... it would be owning by Naruto through the whole tournament... and thats not really what people want to see... (unless you are REALLY desperate to see naruto do something on his own...lol) The only challenge... would come in the form some other Jinchuuriki showing up... which would then make Akatsuki show up.... and then get the story back on track to its correct place...


I guess its just hard for me to see Kishi de-rail all that he's built up... for a Naruto Ego-trip story....

modokjr
February 28, 2006, 01:53 PM
I've been hoping for a Chuunin exam since it was first mentioned at the beginning of part two. Not because of Naruto-fanboyism per se (he IS going to be the Hokage one day, after all) but because of the potential for some interesting characterization.

Sending Naruto on missions against his enemies tells us this about him: that he hates Orochimaru, hates Akatsuki, wants Sasuke back, etc. Putting him up against ninjas that aren't his enemies, maybe even his friends, tells us many other things about him that we don't know post-timeskip. Does he respect the test? The instructors? The politics? How does he treat opponents who are miles behind him in power? Does he give it his all out of respect for them or back off so as not to hurt them? How does the younger generation of Leaf shinobi see him? Has the older generation changed their opinion of him after all of his heroics? Do the other villages/countries now know of the Legendary Jiraiya's student and protege?

As for me, I don't see Kishimoto breaking up the Konohamaru Corps, even for Naruto. Rather, I think he'll team with Hyuuga Hanabi (Hinata's little sister) and another new genin ... which would be awesome! I'd love to see what the Hyuugas think of Naruto!

As for 297, I don't think we're going to get to see what deal Danzou offers Orochimaru but I do think that Yamato's bunshin will hear it. We will find out later. I don't think the fighting is done, btw. Naruto and Orochimaru are finished for now (both recovering) but Yamato still has a mission to fulfill. Despite Kabuto's seeming unwillingness to fight, I think that Yamato will at least make a legitimate capture attempt.

Galth
February 28, 2006, 02:17 PM
Ow yeah :sweatdrop the Kabuto capturing!! Totally forgot about that, it's still the mission...

That's what should happen within two chapters indeed...

EDIT: Hmmz, after some calcutations: capturing Kabuto means more screentime for Kabuto!! Yay :knk

:kabuto

Tanuki-dono
February 28, 2006, 03:26 PM
Cool theories.  Seems like everything has been said, and although I agree with some of the previous predictions, I've always wanted to post a wild theory, because...well...seeing the reactions of others amuses me. Some of these aren't things I particularly believe in, but they are kind of interesting.

There is a connection between Akatsuki and Konoha that relates to the statues of the first Hokage and the unknown opponent.  This something has to do with the talent concerning woods and trees.  Sofar, the jutsus related to wood have shown promise in being good for bijuu-control. For instance, Yamato's abilities. The giant wooden...thing shown in ch 261 also has those qualities.  So, I think there is some connection, however distant, between Akatsuki leader and the mysterios opponent statue and First Hokage. 

Orochimaru and Kabuto against Akatsuki.  If Akatsuki's objective is to gain power of jinchuuriki, then Orochimaru and/or Kabuto must somehow be related to this goal.  Perhaps Kabuto is just bitter, but maybe he and/or Orochimaru have gained some sort of power relating to jinchuuriki and don't want it disrupted by Akatsuki.  It might be far-fetched to claim that Kabuto is a jinchuuriki, but as for Orochimaru, Kabuto's statement last chapter about it being more like a battle between "monsters" begs attention. <s>Of course, it might be a red herring.</s>

Konoha.  In addition to being attributed to "Fire", Konoha is also connected to the word "Leaf"...another play on words. Leaf to tree to wood and we're back at the subject of Bijuu control.  Maybe there is something deeper hidden in the existence of Konoha, and perhaps Orochimaru's ambition of destroying it isn't for mere leisure.  Maybe it poses a direct threat to him...somehow. Wait, probably not, because he did live there all his life...  Then again, shinobi can be very secretive. <s>Just throwing these things out.</s>

Danzou - a very military-oriented guy.  A guy who would probably try anything for war-time power.  Also in charge of the "root" - another play on roots of trees.  Trees, trees, trees.  What does he want with Orochimaru? Perhaps this has to do with jinchuuriki or, as someone has already mentioned, an alliance.  Since it *seems* to be a viable mission, perhaps the council is *betraying* Tsunade for allowing it to happen?  <s>Or perhaps Danzo is in league with Akatsuki, or at least being duped by them, and is trying to lure Orochimaru closer to them - after all, Akatsuki did say he was going to be killed eventually...maybe he really does possess jinchuuriki power...</s>

Sai - interesting that he has art jutsu, since it was a focal talent of the two of the latest Akatsuki.  I wonder.  I don't think he's terribly "bad," that Sai, even though everyone seems to hate him. *sadness*  (Just because he wears funny clothes...I mea, come on - look at what Gai and Lee wear...)  He's a very fine-tuned tool - expected under Danzou's guidance - but that book of his hints that there are cracks in his emotionless training.  I don't think he's truly emotionless.  Something is going to lead back to his brother though.  It may not be next chapter, but some kind of revelation is on the way that will break through his facade, or at least let us gain further understanding into what make him the way he is.

Next chapter, I think Sai is going to give that letter, or "gift," to Orochimaru. I honestly have no true idea on this one. Kishimoto's kept me in the dark.  Think I'll just sit back and enjoy.

animefeen
February 28, 2006, 03:31 PM
Ow yeah :sweatdrop the Kabuto capturing!! Totally forgot about that, it's still the mission...

That's what should happen within two chapters indeed...

EDIT: Hmmz, after some calcutations: capturing Kabuto means more screentime for Kabuto!! Yay :knk

:kabuto


I've been hoping for a Chuunin exam since it was first mentioned at the beginning of part two. Not because of Naruto-fanboyism per se (he IS going to be the Hokage one day, after all) but because of the potential for some interesting characterization.

Sending Naruto on missions against his enemies tells us this about him: that he hates Orochimaru, hates Akatsuki, wants Sasuke back, etc. Putting him up against ninjas that aren't his enemies, maybe even his friends, tells us many other things about him that we don't know post-timeskip. Does he respect the test? The instructors? The politics? How does he treat opponents who are miles behind him in power? Does he give it his all out of respect for them or back off so as not to hurt them? How does the younger generation of Leaf shinobi see him? Has the older generation changed their opinion of him after all of his heroics? Do the other villages/countries now know of the Legendary Jiraiya's student and protege?

As for me, I don't see Kishimoto breaking up the Konohamaru Corps, even for Naruto. Rather, I think he'll team with Hyuuga Hanabi (Hinata's little sister) and another new genin ... which would be awesome! I'd love to see what the Hyuugas think of Naruto!

As for 297, I don't think we're going to get to see what deal Danzou offers Orochimaru but I do think that Yamato's bunshin will hear it. We will find out later. I don't think the fighting is done, btw. Naruto and Orochimaru are finished for now (both recovering) but Yamato still has a mission to fulfill. Despite Kabuto's seeming unwillingness to fight, I think that Yamato will at least make a legitimate capture attempt.


I think both of you seem to have forgotten that Kabuto went to Oro. at the end of that chapter. So there will be no capturing of him. I didnt know Hinata had a younger sister..when did she appear? Mod- I do like your points to be made about the exam to me naruto is a wilder verison of Goku but where they are both alike they have this unwilling nature to have ppl believe in them and change ppl for the good. The fighting is over naruto body needs time to recover thus this chapter will one of explantions.

Galth
February 28, 2006, 03:34 PM
Hyuuga Hanabi (?) appeared in flashbacks before and during the Neji vs Hinata fight ( chuunin exam prelims)

And Kabuto did not go to Oro, Kabuto walked up to sakura to heal her, and that's where he is at the present time...

donkeyhigh
February 28, 2006, 03:43 PM
Nejis a Jounin. Again, more reasons why I dont think this exam could take place.


So what if he's a Jounin? They might make new rules for the exam, as they seem to always do. New persons in charge, new rules.
Tsunade probably wants to see if he's evolved anything from last time. She might say "hey, if you can convice me during this one fight against your previous opponent, Neji, I'll make you a Juonin too."
Or maby "Fight me. This'll be fun."

Seriously, Tsunade knows Naruto is waaay above the others in the exam, and would probably give him other rules, due to the fact that he already have taken the first parts, and fought Tsunade, Orochimaru and Akutski and lived to tell about it. Also, he's been trained by Jiraya for 2,5 years.. And he's kindalike a mini-kyubii, and kindalike a mini-4th-Hokage.

Or maby Sakura will tell us how she became Jounin, and Naruto'll just hurry up and do the same..

Anyone seen HunterXHunter? Killua goes back to do some exam thingy too, as a secound try. Long after he's one a completely other power-level as the others, after his friend Gon (which btw is the same voice-actor as Naruto) did it, and after he failed the first try.. Like, 3 years later or something..
He went back and did everything in a matter of minutes.
I hope the same thing happens in Naruto. That would seriously be fun :)
Would be really simular though.. :)

Say whatever you want, think whatever you want. But I really think it's gonna happen. Things don't always follow facts, rules and what is more appropriate. Some times things just turn out fun and entertaining :)

animefeen
February 28, 2006, 03:45 PM
Hyuuga Hanabi (?) appeared in flashbacks before and during the Neji vs Hinata fight ( chuunin exam prelims)

And Kabuto did not go to Oro, Kabuto walked up to sakura to heal her, and that's where he is at the present time...


Ohh yeah I remember now....and no Kabuto is not Sakura is healed and he bounce to Oro. go and check it for urself if you dont believe it..

Galth
February 28, 2006, 03:59 PM
Ohh yeah I remember now....and no Kabuto is not Sakura is healed and he bounce to Oro. go and check it for urself if you dont believe it..


Hmmz, i checked, and it's not sure where he is now, he vanished using his teleportation jutsu but we don't see him with orochimaru and sai on the next page... so perhaps we is already heading home?!

DarkManSharingan32
February 28, 2006, 04:07 PM
Hmmz, i checked, and it's not sure where he is now, he vanished using his teleportation jutsu but we don't see him with orochimaru and sai on the next page... so perhaps we is already heading home?!


I have the feeling that Sai didn't wait for the whole Kabuto scene to take place before he approached Oro... and they most likely occured at the same time.So expect Kabuto-san to walk up, right when Sai hands over the letter to Oro... Kabuto may even attack him to begin the chapter...lol

animefeen
February 28, 2006, 04:28 PM
Yes I agree with Dark because if you noticed right after Kabuto healed Sakura he sensed that Oro. was at his limit thus he teleported to where he was..

Ifuritas-fan
February 28, 2006, 04:46 PM
Or maby Sakura will tell us how she became Jounin, and Naruto'll just hurry up and do the same..



Ummm... actually she's a chuunin

Shikamaru listed off who was Jounin.

Kankouru and Neji are jounins
Everyone else is Chuunin.

Then Naruto asked "What about Gaara" and the next pannel is the cut to the symbol of Wind, and we see the person come up behind Gaara and say "Kazekage-sama... it's time for the meeting"

[br]Posted at: February 28, 2006, 01:35:22 PM_________________________________________________Oh, one other thing.

Why have Udon get sick? Why not the girl? Moegi? Someone asked that.

Have you looked at Udon? The kid always has a cold. He's always got stuff hanging out of his nose.

http://www.nautiljon.com/images/perso/miniatures/Naruto/udon.jpg

Plus, if they did it. (Not saying they will...just if)

Moegi would then try to constantly hit on Naruto... pure comedic gold there.

Galth
February 28, 2006, 05:07 PM
Ummm... actually she's a chuunin

Shikamaru listed off who was Jounin.

Kankouru and Neji are jounins
Everyone else is Chuunin.

Then Naruto asked "What about Gaara" and the next pannel is the cut to the symbol of Wind, and we see the person come up behind Gaara and say "Kazekage-sama... it's time for the meeting"


You forgot to mention Temari is also a Jounin already.

As for the chuunin exam and Konohamaru team ideas... those would be brilliant as anime fillers... but wouldn't add much to the manga story...

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
February 28, 2006, 05:38 PM
I think Kabuto has a chance of betraying Orochimaru, but not right now, maybe. I DO believe, though, that Sai will be betreying Naruto, Sakura, and Yamato. If he DIDN'T I would be suprised.
But, then again, maybe it's supposed to SEEM that way.
You know how loyal Kabuto seems to Orochimaru. How many times he COULD have betreyed him, but didn't. Maybe he will finally do it now....I don't really know, but in the next chapter, I'm sure we'll see what's going on in Konoha.

Ifuritas-fan
February 28, 2006, 05:50 PM
We'll see.. we'll see.

I'm content to wait it out and see what develops.

I've made my prediction... exam...If I'm wrong... I'm wrong. But it did spark some cool debate, and it's very polarizing. Kinda like the debate about who the promised "Romance" will involve in part 2.

Right now I think that the likelyhood is that Naruto and Sakura will develop something... with her caring for him showing the first sprouts of that relationship in this next chapter (or the chapter after it if they don't get that far in this chapter)


BTW.. what happens at 50 posts? Someone said "Just a few more posts and I can...something or another.

Predator
February 28, 2006, 05:52 PM
:offtopic I'm really sorry for intruding this whole things, but if I may be so bold, I'd like to add some:

> First part of Chuunin exam changes. Kakashi told himself that he had taken the exam on that Crimson Clover field.
> Even if that's unnecessary, even Tsunade is interested to have reason to promote Naruto to formaly give him more power (by that I mean right for action). We saw already how advisors tried to make Naruto grounded.
> It's true that there are at least a few genins for now. Hyuuga Hanabi was even told to be sronger than Hinata.
> We predict here which means we take the facts from the Naruto universe and make conclusions based on the laws of real world. We mainly miss the reality factor. In this case from now on I'd like to bring some things into account, which are logical. Please follow the chain logics:

Kishimoto get's money for making manga -> he's interested to keep it so -> the story will move forward fast enough to keep our nterest, but not too fast to keep the money coming in -> Chuunin exam is a nice way of streching things out at the same time appealing readers attention, but it's not the only way.

See the monstrous amount of conclusions we can make out of this?
I think even if as a 5-8 chapter arc, but we'll see the exam. If not in the manga then in fillers for sure ( in that case only side characters will participate).

@Khal, Miso, GK and co. - I think the next chapter is unpredictable (there's nothing to predict) so it's OK to keep the conversation loose and farfetced. Better to talk offtopic than not to talk at all. Ne?

animefeen
February 28, 2006, 06:03 PM
I have an off topic prediction that is involing Deidera and that is he is going to want to take revenge out on team seven real soon and in his haste he will be killed for real this time but not by noone of team seven but by unbeknownst to him being alive Gaara. As Goku said the same move wont work twice on me Deidera would really have no defense against esp. since he still has control over sand and not to mention he just like Neji has a absoult defense with the use of sand...

Before I get jump on for going off topic this is why I say this...Naruto body is injured right now and needs granted not that much time but time to recover and this would be the perfect time for them to attack...hense the leader has been watching naruto's battles in the shadow now for who knows how long....we've seen him watch two of his battles already..

Ifuritas-fan
February 28, 2006, 06:12 PM
:off topic I'm really sorry for intruding this whole things, but if I may be so bold, I'd like to add some:

Kishimoto get's money for making manga -> he's interested to keep it so -> the story will move forward fast enough to keep our nterest, but not too fast to keep the money coming in -> Chuunin exam is a nice way of streching things out at the same time appealing readers attention, but it's not the only way.

See the monstrous amount of conclusions we can make out of this?
I think even if as a 5-8 chapter arc, but we'll see the exam. If not in the manga then in fillers for sure ( in that case only side characters will participate).

@Khal, Miso, GK and co. - I think the next chapter is unpredictable (there's nothing to predict) so it's OK to keep the conversation loose and farfetced. Better to talk offtopic than not to talk at all. Ne?


good points.

The crimson clover thing however was a filler I think... but the point is good and it dovetails to the point of the exam always changing.

Also, a good point about Kishimoto knowing on what side his bread is buttered. Move along at just the right pace to keep interest... but not too fast.

animefeen
February 28, 2006, 06:28 PM
Congrats Ifuritas-fan on ur quick way to 50 and jr-member status I am right behind ya lol just not as long posts lol

mageofdeath
February 28, 2006, 08:59 PM
I predict we'll get a peek of the next story arc and how it wil unfold...
its obviously going to deal with an outside shot at reobtaining sasuke, and at some point akatsuki will be involved as well, and yes at the same time, it will be just like the chuunin exam were it turned into all out war, except this time it will be a different venue...

Crimson
February 28, 2006, 09:55 PM
I still think we need something HIGHER level than a chuunin exam. Yea sure if they show the Chunnin exam itll be interesting. But we wont be seeing battles like the one we just saw. I want to see MORE JOUNIN level battles. Ive been aching to see more of them since The first ever Jounin fight we saw; Zabuza vs Kakashi. Then Part 2 started and we start seeing Akatsuki level fights, to my great euphoria, :smile-big. Even if certain characters appear to give big fights to Naruto during a Chunnin exam, it just wont be the same as if hes FORCED to fight his absolute best consistently in a Jounin level exam. Id also be a HUGE step forward, and because of the fact that EVERYONE is a chunnin already, we could see Shikamaru just finishing up the Chuunin exams (as examiner) and getting ready to participate in the Jounin. As for Naruto, its not very hard to work in an exemption so that he could bypass the title of Chunnin and go straight to Jounin, especially considering Godaime is Tsunade, who has so much faith in Naruto. That or she could grant him the title of Chuunin so that he could participate in the exam. Honestly, IMO, I just dont like the idea for another CHUNNIN exam. I enjoyed the first one, but seeing Naruto fight the same level genins as Konohamaru when he can possibly take on an Akatsuki member 1 v 1 just doesnt bode well for me storyline wise.
Regarding locales though, if we do see an exam at all, I would LOVE it to be somewhere thats NOT the Fire country. PLEASE KISHI. Go somewhere new. Youve shown us how huge the world is in Naruto before (remember that map they showed us in Part 1 when they explained the countries?). Nows the time to actually let us visit some of these locales. Just try to keep the cliche down please. Make it an original ninja village like you did with the sand village (yea its made of sand, but the city looks anything but common).

EDIT: The Crimson clover Leaf was indeed filler. It was a filler ova. *likes the name though*

C4animax
February 28, 2006, 10:18 PM
GOOD POINT!!!!!!!

eventhough those are the main characters not every second of every day is spent looking for itachi/orochimaru/sasuke. and because theres how many other people in konoha who probably wanna see a chunnin exam, and looking at the first quote since chuunin exams affect a village income they probably need it!!


There are three that we know off and not the most interesting if i can say...you don't know what you are talking about when you say "good point" because there are many reasons why or why not there would be another exam...They needed it THREE YEARS ago, now everything is fine.

Adding to crimson who wants to see more jounin level fight this is about naruto not the rest of the genins in konoha , and naruto has no reason to do a chuunin exam since he's been trained by jiraya, would tsunade not be aware of it?...(someone remind me how neji went to jounin?) That said i don't say it won't happen it's just that i think kishimoto is smart enough to let us avoid another exam happen....

I'll stick to my prediction : Sai's bettray (who we don't know) oro/kabuto retreat, naruto is powered down and the rest of the troup go back to konoha.

animefeen
February 28, 2006, 10:30 PM
[quote=C4animax ]
There are three that we know off and not the most interesting if i can say...you don't know what you are talking about when you say "good point" because there are many reasons why or why not there would be another exam...They needed it THREE YEARS ago, now everything is fine.

Everything is not fine how many names in both the manga and anime there were mention that the village is at a weaken state as the result of the last exam....the third even said that prior to the exam....things are far from fine if things were fine they wouldnt be much need of a story here...

dimska
February 28, 2006, 10:31 PM
> Even if that's unnecessary, even Tsunade is interested to have reason to promote Naruto to formaly give him more power (by that I mean right for action). We saw already how advisors tried to make Naruto grounded.
> It's true that there are at least a few genins for now. Hyuuga Hanabi was even told to be sronger than Hinata.
> We predict here which means we take the facts from the Naruto universe and make conclusions based on the laws of real world. We mainly miss the reality factor.

I think that the Chuunin exam will take place but be more political: for example as Predator_U said Hyuuga Hanabi could participate and Naruto could be assigned by Tsunade to be a member of her team to serve as an escort: she's an heir to the Hyuuga and if I remember well, the grass country already tried to take the secret of the Hyuuga thus resulting in the death of Neji's father and the death of the leader of the grass so there could be some nins willing to assassinate/capture Hanabi for revenge/knowledge.
If such events would happen it would make the Chuunin exam both a test to see if Naruto can be a Chuunin and if he can succeed in a covert mission to protect a teammate.
But it is quite farfetched because we haven't seen Hanabi again, I have to admit

C4animax
February 28, 2006, 10:43 PM
> Even if that's unnecessary, even Tsunade is interested to have reason to promote Naruto to formaly give him more power (by that I mean right for action). We saw already how advisors tried to make Naruto grounded.
> It's true that there are at least a few genins for now. Hyuuga Hanabi was even told to be sronger than Hinata.
> We predict here which means we take the facts from the Naruto universe and make conclusions based on the laws of real world. We mainly miss the reality factor.

I think that the Chuunin exam will take place but be more political: for example as Predator_U said Hyuuga Hanabi could participate and Naruto could be assigned by Tsunade to be a member of her team to serve as an escort: she's an heir to the Hyuuga and if I remember well, the grass country already tried to take the secret of the Hyuuga thus resulting in the death of Neji's father and the death of the leader of the grass so there could be some nins willing to assassinate/capture Hanabi for revenge/knowledge.
If such events would happen it would make the Chuunin exam both a test to see if Naruto can be a Chuunin and if he can succeed in a covert mission to protect a teammate.
But it is quite farfetched because we haven't seen Hanabi again, I have to admit

I though kakashi told them that starting the day of blablabla they would be equal ninja working with him?....
I tough that they all came on a team of three people...
And i tough that naruto is already on a team of three...
Come on naruto is kyubi you saw the last fight didn't you, he's definitly not on the same level as the others...could be on a secret mission to discover some sound ninja, with kabuto/orochimaru/sasuke hidden...yeah why not...but then again what ........

fto
March 01, 2006, 12:37 AM
i think orochimaru will take over sai body.

animefeen
March 01, 2006, 01:47 AM
I think Oro...needs to get laid after all he's the only one out of the three sannins that we havent seen a luv interest for that's like 50+ yrs of pinned up aggression lmao

Crimson
March 01, 2006, 03:08 AM
I think Oro...needs to get laid after all he's the only one out of the three sannins that we havent seen a luv interest for that's like 50+ yrs of pinned up aggression lmao

Hes consistently changing bodies. For some reason I dont think his hormones work "properly" when he transfers into a body, lol.

chin sai
March 01, 2006, 04:07 AM
in the naruto world he is the only one who fought with orochimaru and didn't die exept itachi
he is almost yondime class
it'll be interesting to see him do the chunin exam, without any kyuubi chackra
i think you all forget, " that kid is strong"[br]Posted at: March 01, 2006, 12:43:25 AM_________________________________________________sorry for double posting but, maybe it'll be a test of strenth after what just happened
i won't go kyuubi, i won't go kyuubi
and i forgot who posted it but yeah that was a wooden god of hades
akatsuki leader brother of the first?, btw why does every one call him yondaime[br]Posted at: March 01, 2006, 12:48:22 AM_________________________________________________isn't chuunin level granted to those who displaytactical and mental strenth[br]Posted at: March 01, 2006, 12:54:08 AM_________________________________________________and i think sai ( " the way you used that fake smile just now i'll remember that") is going to kill orochimaru while he's week, or try to. kabuto will stop him from completely murdering him, or not, they fight and we get to see him own kabuto

Please don't double-post, triple-post or quadruple-post, you can edit your original post by clicking 'modify' in the top-right corner of your post... and btw, nobody can own Kabuto, as he's the strongest character out there! :kukuku - K

maxhrk
March 01, 2006, 09:00 AM
> Even if that's unnecessary, even Tsunade is interested to have reason to promote Naruto to formaly give him more power (by that I mean right for action). We saw already how advisors tried to make Naruto grounded.
> It's true that there are at least a few genins for now. Hyuuga Hanabi was even told to be sronger than Hinata.
> We predict here which means we take the facts from the Naruto universe and make conclusions based on the laws of real world. We mainly miss the reality factor.

I think that the Chuunin exam will take place but be more political: for example as Predator_U said Hyuuga Hanabi could participate and Naruto could be assigned by Tsunade to be a member of her team to serve as an escort: she's an heir to the Hyuuga and if I remember well, the grass country already tried to take the secret of the Hyuuga thus resulting in the death of Neji's father and the death of the leader of the grass so there could be some nins willing to assassinate/capture Hanabi for revenge/knowledge.
If such events would happen it would make the Chuunin exam both a test to see if Naruto can be a Chuunin and if he can succeed in a covert mission to protect a teammate.
But it is quite farfetched because we haven't seen Hanabi again, I have to admit


are YOU DAMN sure that Grass was directly responsible for the death of Neji's father? *raisebrow* I thought it was cloud ninjas done that... oh well. :D

SacredNic
March 01, 2006, 09:20 AM
i think orochimaru will take over sai body.


I agree, but later on though after Sasuke's escape.

Speaking of which, I predict that Sasuke will make an entrance in the next chapter. He will take care of the Yamato clone and then escort Oro back. Kabuto will be held captive and taken back to Konoha. Sai will meet up with the others and lie about having lost track of Oro.

As for Naruto, he'll be unconscious.

Reiya
March 01, 2006, 11:20 AM
are YOU DAMN sure that Grass was directly responsible for the death of Neji's father? *raisebrow* I thought it was cloud ninjas done that... oh well. :D
It's was the Raikage (head of cloud village) that tried to kidnap Hinata.

UzumakiRoman
March 01, 2006, 12:07 PM
i don't think it was Raikage!! it was just the leader of the ninja group from the hidden village of cloud(lightning country). they came to sign a peace treaty, but the leader of the group went after little Hinata.

if it was Raikage who got killed i would say he sucks and doesn't deserve to be one of the 5 kage.
And if he got killed in Konoha they would have been fighting again!!!!

R3sistance
March 01, 2006, 01:18 PM
Yes yes Cloud village of the Lightning Country are responsible for the attempted kidnapping of Hinata and for the Death of Neji's father.

As for my predictions. Well Sai in his current capacity is just a messenger. But when you are talking about Orochimaru, the messenger needs to be strong else they will die when ever Orochimaru gets a little pissed off. it seems as if Orochimaru is exhausted. The body is probably not compactible with Orochimaru's strange Chakra. Naruto will probably ask if he hurt anyone but Sakura won't tell, oh no, something like this must come from mr. insenitivity, Sai. As for Sai's betrayal, it is not for more power. If Sai is as powerful as has been said he has no need for more power. He is mearly following the orders his mentor.

There can be no doubt that right now, Orochimaru is weakened, if Sai wanted to he could probably finish Orochimaru off right now. So the betrayal must be the "roots" organisation betrayal against Konaha. Naruto's injury must be self-inflicted by the Kyuubi's Chakra. Naruto will surely be out of the fight, even if he is awakened. I do wonder if this will Lead naruto down the route of trying to forcefully increase his currently limited control over the Kyuubi after finding out the Kyuubi hit Sakura. Also right now, the odds are stacked against Kabuto, Yamato can bind him and also probably better in combat, the fact that Sakura is still in the fight after taking numerous injuries.

I do think Sai's betrayal will be discovered and he will probably go back to Konaha trapped in one of Yamato's techniques. There is no way he would go with Orochimaru yet since the rest of the "roots" organisation is not ready to move. It does beg the question if there will be a huge fight later in the series where the "roots" organisation fights for Orochimaru and some of the well known Ninja from Konaha will have to fight them. Sakura vs. Sai prehaps whilst Naruto fights Sasuke,  Kakashi then fights Kabuto and Tsunade fights Orochimaru. I think even when Orochimaru and Jirayia were fighting, the fact that Jirayia's chakra was interrupted was more of the disadvantage to him then Orochimaru's loss of techniques was to him. And that a possibly full charged Jirayia is possibly too strong for the fight to be really really interesting as compared to Orochimaru vs. Tsunade.

EDIT:

Forgot to say, the reason that Sai was sent on the mission was because of a leak in Orochimaru's Village had come to light. Sai was sent to find out about where Orochimaru was for a future link between "Roots" and the "Sound". Or atleast this is my guess. So the say the least Sai was given orders on what to do if the possible meeting with Orochimaru did come to light.

raptor02_2001
March 01, 2006, 01:20 PM
Hello i am first time in this forum since i am long memeber of NF


back to topic

it is very interesting to read all post

i think about Sai have a problem with teamwork but i wonder Sai has pic and said his brother is died in somewhere but it is hint ?

I am shock about Sai have message for Orc  i know Orc was memeber of Shinboi Khonha but Orc have relationship with Old man Danzna ?

hermallorn
March 01, 2006, 03:24 PM
about the possibility of a chunin exam: Konoha have to do something about naruto. I think they will want to see if he can control himself (when it's not a matter of sasuke) so this test would be a good opportunity

zerocharisma
March 01, 2006, 03:26 PM
My prediction:

Sai: Hi, Orochi--I got a deal from Danzou and here it is: We hate Akatsuki, you hate Akatsuki. We don't want him to get the Kyuubi, neither do you. So join us in wacking Akatsuki and we'll give you the Kyuubi. Oh, and Naruto, too. And we've just given you a demonstration on how to control them without having to be a Jinchuuriki.

Whaddya say? Deal?


Just a thought...

z.


(Yamato detail heavily edited)

chin sai
March 01, 2006, 03:59 PM
Yes yes Cloud village of the Lightning Country are responsible for the attempted kidnapping of Hinata and for the Death of Neji's father.

As for my predictions. Well Sai in his current capacity is just a messenger. But when you are talking about Orochimaru, the messenger needs to be strong else they will die when ever Orochimaru gets a little pissed off. it seems as if Orochimaru is exhausted. The body is probably not compactible with Orochimaru's strange Chakra. Naruto will probably ask if he hurt anyone but Sakura won't tell, oh no, something like this must come from mr. insenitivity, Sai. As for Sai's betrayal, it is not for more power. If Sai is as powerful as has been said he has no need for more power. He is mearly following the orders his mentor.


oro is konohas #1 enemy akatsuki has never attacked the village( itachi can do way more damage than oro, he wiped out the uchiha)
roots is way more millitary than sandaime, danzou doesn't forgive sandaime for not killing oro that time


There can be no doubt that right now, Orochimaru is weakened, if Sai wanted to he could probably finish Orochimaru off right now. So the betrayal must be the "roots" organisation betrayal against Konaha. Naruto's injury must be self-inflicted by the Kyuubi's Chakra. Naruto will surely be out of the fight, even if he is awakened. I do wonder if this will Lead naruto down the route of trying to forcefully increase his currently limited control over the Kyuubi after finding out the Kyuubi hit Sakura. Also right now, the odds are stacked against Kabuto, Yamato can bind him and also probably better in combat, the fact that Sakura is still in the fight after taking numerous injuries.

I do think Sai's betrayal will be discovered and he will probably go back to Konaha trapped in one of Yamato's techniques. There is no way he would go with Orochimaru yet since the rest of the "roots" organisation is not ready to move. It does beg the question if there will be a huge fight later in the series where the "roots" organisation fights for Orochimaru and some of the well known Ninja from Konaha will have to fight them. Sakura vs. Sai prehaps whilst Naruto fights Sasuke, Kakashi then fights Kabuto and Tsunade fights Orochimaru. I think even when Orochimaru and Jirayia were fighting, the fact that Jirayia's chakra was interrupted was more of the disadvantage to him then Orochimaru's loss of techniques was to him. And that a possibly full charged Jirayia is possibly too strong for the fight to be really really interesting as compared to Orochimaru vs. Tsunade.


Forgot to say, the reason that Sai was sent on the mission was because of a leak in Orochimaru's Village had come to light. Sai was sent to find out about where Orochimaru was for a future link between "Roots" and the "Sound". Or atleast this is my guess. So the say the least Sai was given orders on what to do if the possible meeting with Orochimaru did come to light.
[br]Posted at: March 01, 2006, 12:55:25 PM_________________________________________________sai will kill oro
oro is konohas #1 enemy[br]Posted at: March 01, 2006, 12:57:37 PM_________________________________________________above akatsuki, they might be a far of threat but oro is right now up close and personal

walkie
March 01, 2006, 06:02 PM
oro wants to crush konoha and probably danzou knows some stuff about that..so if a deal will be done, it will be about akatsuki...since akatsuki is both enemy of konoha and oro...although akatsuki did not attack konoha, tsunade and jiraiya sees them as a big thread (which is they are) and the decision maker is tsunade since she is hokage :) but she will never make deal with oro so danzou wants to make a deal secrectly...oro is not stupid, he also realises that stuation as kabuto told but if you want to make a deal he will want something and i highly doubt if danzou wants get rid of naruto, since naruto can become ultimate weapon of konoha

animefeen
March 01, 2006, 06:44 PM
Ok I just seen a picture of this wk chapter of bleach where's the teaser pic/s for Naruto...Come On now Ppl share the wealth..

donkeyhigh
March 01, 2006, 07:37 PM
Well post the picture yourself ?

ShadwsofArchonia
March 01, 2006, 07:42 PM
I wanna see Naruto rip Sai a new one, that prick deserves facing the wrath of the Kyuubi. Death is too nice for him.

Miso
March 01, 2006, 08:05 PM
...oro is not stupid, he also realises that stuation as kabuto told but if you want to make a deal he will want something and i highly doubt if danzou wants get rid of naruto, since naruto can become ultimate weapon of konoha


On the other hand Naruto can also prove to be a great danger. He's a two-edged-sword. If he gets out of control he will destroy everything and therefore also be a thread to Konoha.
Instead of Tsunade and Jiraiya Danzou might not like to take the risk of "taming" Naruto.

Plus, Danzou says that Sai is the most talented shinobi of his generation. Could it be that he values Sai higher than Naruto (as a weapon) because he's also to control easier?
Then there wouldn't be a need for Naruto in Danzou's eyes.

All in all, I think you can't say for sure that Danzou doesn't want to get rid of Konoha at all costs.

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
March 01, 2006, 08:09 PM
I think Sai was just created. You see how he says he has no emotions?
Also, he says his brother is dead. I think he may be some sort of Sasuke clone. ((I know, it sounds stupid.)) And he is going to tell Orochimaru to take his body, and, in return, give Sasuke to them.
I don't know, it could be a possibility.

animefeen
March 01, 2006, 08:16 PM
Well post the picture yourself ?


If I had a freakin picture/s I would of been posted them instead of asking.....humorously asking at that..

fto
March 01, 2006, 08:28 PM
i dont think orochimaru will take over sasuke body because he one the main hero guys in naruto i think orochimaru will take over sai body somehow later in the manga story.

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
March 01, 2006, 08:35 PM
I don't think Sai is going to stay around for very long. Maybe most of you think he will, but I believe his stay here will be very short.
And, as for Sasuke being one of the 'hero guys out of Naruto', that is untrue. Sasuke isn't a hero. Not many of them are. They just simply....
are.
As for Orochimaru taking over Sais' body, what I said a post back still stands.

enzomars
March 01, 2006, 08:47 PM
I don't think Sai is going to stay around for very long. Maybe most of you think he will, but I believe his stay here will be very short.


Yeah i think so too. He and Yamato have been asign just codenames and no real names for the time of their missions.
So i think their just temporary characters (with some eventual come backs from time to time).

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
March 01, 2006, 08:51 PM
I'm glad someone agrees with me, here. Most people are expecting Sai will stay, because they want him to. I don't really find Sai 'awsome', as most will say.
I hate him. I don't care if it's immature to say that.
Anyway, about the code names, it does seem Sai was created. or, maybe brainwashed, his memories erased. E.T.C.

NastyM
March 01, 2006, 09:34 PM
Hmm, Kishimoto has spent to much time on Sai. If Sai dissapears now, he will defenetly come back later.
There is no way Sai will just die now. No way!

Galth
March 01, 2006, 09:37 PM
True, the Kishi would never have hinted after his 'brother' if he doesn't intend for that mystery to be solved...

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
March 01, 2006, 09:41 PM
Why not? Kishimoto spent alot of time ((whatever that may mean)) on Haku. On Zabuza. On the 3rd Hokage.
They all died. Sai is just...Well, let's think of him as a snack, alright? When you're hungry, and you can't get food for awhile, you need a snack, right?
Sai is just there to hold us off, and take our focus away from what is really about to happen. Either that, or he is needed for somthing important, and that is why he even came into this story in the first place, and he'll be used for what he was made for soon.
I think he is only temporary,

Galth
March 01, 2006, 09:45 PM
I believe Yamato to be the 'snack', he has just been used, he has no purpose left ( getting Naruto out of his Kyuubi state... ), and i believe Sai to get some more dramatic battle and a few flashback chapters before he ( totally at the end of this or the next arc ) dies too, sacrificing himself for Naruto ( who changed him etc learned him to live etc who he puts fait in to avenge his brother etc )

xallisto
March 01, 2006, 09:49 PM
That would be nice to see (in a non sarcastic way) even if the bad guy demonstrates heroism in the end he really isnt such a bad guy.

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
March 01, 2006, 09:51 PM
Hm. Well, I don't see that happening.
I do belive Sai having a few flashback chapters could be possible. Sure, why not? I mean, there have been many flashbacks, involving many charachters, from main to temporary.
I like Yamato, but I do agree with you that he will die soon. But I really believe he has whatever genes the 4th ((Yondaime)) had, that gave him the ability to seal away the demon fox. So he is needed.
I also believe Yondaime was Narutos' father. so, in a way, Yamato could be related to Naruto and Tsunade both. That could be mentioned later on, but I doubt it.

xhobbesx
March 01, 2006, 09:55 PM
i dont think would oro would even think about taking a body other than susuke's unless he becomes extremely desperate.  Perhaps sai will beat the crap out of oro and oro has no choice to take sai's body--assuming sai even offers it.  therefore i dont think oro will take sais body.  i believe sais offer would have to be something to do with naruto.

also, i dont think yamato is the "snack." i do not think he outlived his purpose.  He does have the hokage bijuu control ability.  On the contrary, i think we are going to see more of him in the future.

Galth
March 01, 2006, 09:56 PM
Yamato has the Shodai ( 1st )'s genes, not the Yondaime (4th)'s. And i really like the character Yamato ( the scary face... scary... ) i feel like we won't have the pleasure of seeing him very long... Perhaps we will see him getting defeated by Sai? That would give the readers an idea of about how strong Sai is before he will be defeated by someone ( Naruto? Orochimaru? Kakashi ( yes i do think he will show up when healed)? )

C4animax
March 01, 2006, 10:00 PM
boah bollocks, yamato is a special ranked captain ambu with the ability of the first hokage (that's not nothing uh), if he has to deseaper he'll just go back to what he was doing before : being an ambu...and maybe he'll come from times to times etc...he's the only one to be able to power down naruto, he definitly can't die....Sai might be a snack (lol) but with his brother on a pic and the fact that he's leading the story we would have to wait until he see his master back and then after that we don't know yet what could happen...i really don't think sai will be orochimaru's next body...

Haku and Zabuza where shown as ennemie straigh away, no time to sympatize with them they had to get them down and that's what they did, even if sai looks like a bad guy at first he's a konoha ninja so....who knows? Maybe He'll stick there until they can find sasuke and eventually die or deseaper at this time.

Imagine the picture after naruto get sasuke back : Naruto you saved me from darknes blablabla....

edit : Totally agree with xhobbesx oro wants sasuke cause he's young and fresh...omg lol...that sick bastard :p

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
March 01, 2006, 10:03 PM
Hm.
Well, Orochimaru didn't say the genes Yamato was created from were all Shodais', and noone elses'.
But, most people are saying Orochimaru is in deep need of a new vessle. I can see the reson he created Yamato was to take his body. ((If taking over Sasuke were to somehow fail.)) But I don't see Orochimaru going off and taking control of Yamato like that. He worked too hard on Sasuke.
But it is my theory that Yamato may be a backup vessle?

I believe Sai is a traitor. I believe that he will betrey Yamato, Sakura, Naruto, and also not be on the same side as Orochimaru and Kabuto. I don't really know what his and Danzous' intentions are, but I'm becooming really eager to find out.

enzomars
March 01, 2006, 10:03 PM
Wow wow! Minute here by temporary i didn't mean they hav to DIE.

They can simply go back to the shadow of Anbu duty ( Yamato ) or Anbu roots activity ( for Sai ).

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
March 01, 2006, 10:07 PM
I think all Sais' memories were probably planted, and I believe he has a motive with Orochimaru.
We aren't saying they need to die here. This is just my opinion that they may. Kishimotos' mind seems to work like that.

xallisto
March 01, 2006, 10:08 PM
i dont think would oro would even think about taking a body other than susuke's unless he becomes extremely desperate. Perhaps sai will beat the crap out of oro and oro has no choice to take sai's body--assuming sai even offers it. therefore i dont think oro will take sais body. i believe sais offer would have to be something to do with naruto.

also, i dont think yamato is the "snack." i do not think he outlived his purpose. He does have the hokage bijuu control ability. On the contrary, i think we are going to see more of him in the future.


If you have read the spoiler summary for the next chapter you would re-consider - but wether the summary is legit remains to be seen

NastyM
March 01, 2006, 10:12 PM
True, the Kishi would never have hinted after his 'brother' if he doesn't intend for that mystery to be solved...

yep yep...your right

ofcourse i am :p - K

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
March 01, 2006, 10:18 PM
I belive Sai didn't really have a brother, or rather, he thinks he did., ((I believe he was created.))
I bet he'll find out he was created, and that the life he thought he had, are only memories of who he is built from.

Galth
March 01, 2006, 10:21 PM
Created... Little brother...

How about this one: Sai was created out of the genes of Itachi before he murdered the village and is mentioned by him ( when he leaves Konoha ) as the 'third person that could use/aquire mangekyou sharingan'? That would fit with my previous theories... And the age could be correct, Sai is about seventeen/eighteen years old, and Itachi was still in Konoha at that time... ( think: about twelve years before Itachi destroyed his clan )

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
March 01, 2006, 10:24 PM
Hm. From what I heard...I mean,**spoiler**


I have just read Sai is created from Uchiha genes.That he is an experimental Uchiha. So that could be true, though I don't see why they would want to do that. But I can see why Orochimaru would take Sai over, seeing as how he might have Sharihan, now.

Galth
March 01, 2006, 10:26 PM
Yeah, i referred to those spoilers too ( though i don't know if they're correct... )

If Sasuke will be recoverd by the Konoha forces, we might just see Orochimaru in Sai's body... Both their goals accompliced?!

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
March 01, 2006, 10:31 PM
Hm.
I didn't see you mention those spoilers eirlier, sorry for that. I believe they may be real. I mean, it seems logical, from what we saw last chapter.
With both their goals completed....Well, Orochimaru would no doubt try to destroy Konoha.
But, a part of me is wishing they didn't get Sasuke back, but Shikamaru did instead. I think he still feels bad about that mission. Also, if/when Sasuke returns, he should get hit by every person who went on that mission to retreive him.

Galth
March 01, 2006, 10:32 PM
And whats wrong with Sasuke being hit? :eyeroll

Hmmz, you're right, i didn't mention it... ( side effects of it being 0:14 in the night right now and me posting stuff all over the forum at the same time... )

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
March 01, 2006, 10:34 PM
Nothing. I'd actually be happier seeing Sasuke dead.
I hate him. I'm just saying, they should hit him. It would be nice.

That's actually bashing, but hey, i started, so i should better ban myself give myself a warning :darn - K

Galth
March 01, 2006, 10:37 PM
The spoilers also mention Yamato talking to Kyuubi ( in his mind? ). And about him meeting again, Shodai person. Did Yamato had other contact with the Kyuubi? Like during the Kyuubi wars and the Yondaime's sealing moment? ( though he would only have been a kid at that time ) Or does he refer to having dealt with the Shodaime himself? While the Kyuubi was still hosted in a previous Jinchuuriki ( if any )? That would be interesting...

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
March 01, 2006, 10:39 PM
You know, I noticed that, too.
About that,...I'm sure, somehow, he does have the ability to comunicate with the Kyuubi, maybe. ((As Yondaime may have?)) OR it's memories from the genes he has aquired from the other Kages. ((I'm sorry, I think it will reveal he has the genes of more than one Hokage.))

ItsMrJedi
March 01, 2006, 10:45 PM
Hey where r u reading that spoiler from, I dont seey any spolers yet !?

enzomars
March 01, 2006, 10:47 PM
Yeah ! Let's just wait to be proven right.
Ah! My Sai is an Uchicha and Itachi Knows about his existence theory hummm!
And Oro taking over his body as a last resort ....

Can't wait, even to be proven wrong.

About Kyuubi-Yamato talk, seems like Kyuubi is confuse, but knows about Shodaime's ability ,so he must've meet him once.

Then again, just wait it's still uncertain.

C4animax
March 01, 2006, 10:48 PM
I belive Sai didn't really have a brother, or rather, he thinks he did., ((I believe he was created.))
I bet he'll find out he was created, and that the life he thought he had, are only memories of who he is built from.

Yeah and then without any warning we'll see some kind of "pop" sound and sai will be erased from naruto for ever :).

For your spoiler yamato can also have a coffe break with kyubi and why sai would use draw stuff if he got sharingan? What kind of weirdo is he?...maybe he hasn"t avaiken them...but how long does he need to ???...

I really think that yamato power down without the chit chat with kyubi...but that's just me lol...

Konojo_Baka_Ssi
March 01, 2006, 10:48 PM
Here is where I saw the spoiler:
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=1442.0

We aren't sure weather it's real, or not.