Mihawk's Power Level

[Page356]

Okay I'm just curious as to how powerful you would consider Mihawk. The man obviously has the title "World's Greatest Swordsman" but how does he compare to all of the other characters? Is he at the level of an admiral, an emperor, or something else? Was he stronger than Shanks back in the day when they used to fight? Since Shanks still uses a sword does that make Mihawk stronger than Shanks even though Shanks is an emperor? We know for a fact already that combat prowess varies quite a bit amongst the Shichibukai so is he the strongest warlord?

[kkck]

I believe that mihawk is actually above the admirals and on or at the most extremely relatively equal to shanks. Mihawk is the ultimate target of zoro's. In this regard, it is not likely zoro will defeat him halfway through the new world, as he is an ultimate target it is likely mihawk will finally be defeated close to the end of the manga. However, if they fight close to the very end of the manga it would seem rather likely that by this point the strawhats have already faced a couple of admirals or admiral level people and bested them. In this particular regard plotwise it makes sense for mihawk to be stronger than those guys simply because it is extremely likely he will be zoro's final enemy given the current context of the story. At the very least I doubt mihawk will be defeated halfway through the new world, how would it make sense for zoro to accomplish his dream so much before luffy?

[Zmsp]

Putting Mihawk above an admiral is to much, those 3 dudes fought evenly with WB,Akainu actually having had the upper hand in most of the fight, while Mihawk stated during the war that he wanted to see the difference in strenght between him and WB, meaning he believed not to be on his level..

And I dont think Mihawk is stronger than Shanks, it was said they used to duel before shanks got injured,so we dont know if the title of the strongest was only claimed by Mihawk after Shanks lost his arm, or even if Shanks had any intention on being granted such a title while he still had both his arms.
He is,no doubt,incredibly strong, and will probably be one of the last, if not the last, big opponent of Zoro,but I dont even think Zoro will end the manga being capable of defeating an admiral 1 vs 1, they are just that powerful,I even doubt Luffy himself will beat any admiral 1vs1 except,perhaps, Akainu, because of revenge,and that will be pretty close to the end of the manga,considering how difficult it is to reach Akainy nowadays.

So, Mihawk is probably the strongest of the shichibukai,depending on Flamingo (from whom we've had so little information) and belongs on the tier of strongest characters in the manga, aside from the final antagonist/Admirals.

I do not doubt he could evenly fight with any Yonkou ( captain ), but I personaly dont believe the captains of the yonkou crews are the strongest characters in the manga, they are very strong,but are only the top 4 because of the crews they've gathered,well, aside from Blackbeard who is being hyped to be the strongest character Luffy will have to defeat..

[Regino]

I think it is hard to measure real strength in OP...

Mihawk had difficulties to fight vs jozu because of his diamond ability, but Jozu did not stand a chance against an admiral. Of course Jozus abillity was a big advantage, but to consider Mihawk as strong as an admiral is really too much.

Among the swordsman in Op he is certainly one of the strongest and maybe the strongest... I cant measure Shanks (as a fighter, not as an Yonkou) and Shiryuu.

Within the world of Op as a whole I would say he is one fo the 20 strongest characters (considering fighting skills only)

[matzik1212]

Hmm i think Mihawk is Yankou's lvl for sure. I personally find him an interesting character and i always had the feeling from the battles we saw that he hasn't fought to his fullest not even once. Maybe with Shanks he fought seriously since i doubt he would spar so many times with him just to kill some time but of the fights we saw till now i can say i haven't felt him being serious. He's the type of guy who likes to calculate his moves so he doesn't give too much when he's fighting ,that's the impression he gives me :)
And i think he is able to stand up to an admiral. I guess it all depends of the situation. Remember he wasn't afraid to attack WB head on. I don't think he would have done that if he wasn't confident in his skills and power.

[bisha16]

I believe that mihawk is actually above the admirals and on or at the most extremely relatively equal to shanks. Mihawk is the ultimate target of zoro's. In this regard, it is not likely zoro will defeat him halfway through the new world, as he is an ultimate target it is likely mihawk will finally be defeated close to the end of the manga. However, if they fight close to the very end of the manga it would seem rather likely that by this point the strawhats have already faced a couple of admirals or admiral level people and bested them. In this particular regard plotwise it makes sense for mihawk to be stronger than those guys simply because it is extremely likely he will be zoro's final enemy given the current context of the story. At the very least I doubt mihawk will be defeated halfway through the new world, how would it make sense for zoro to accomplish his dream so much before luffy?

I like your idea it would be cool if they will fight at the end and to see a fight in a higher level than the admirals because zoros dream is as important as luffy's one so it would make sense if oda-sensei would let us mouth-open when he shows us the real power of the greatest swordman in one piece which surpased even admirals that would make the fight between zoro and mihawk:zomg epic maybe the best fight in one piece and zoro deserves that:amuse

[Schabrak]

Expecting a couple more swordsman being introduced with the Yonkou and NW marine crews, I would put him into the Top 5 of swordsman, Top 10 to 20 of fighters.

Why? While he is a Shichibukai, he doesn't give a shit about their[WG/Marines] opinion and follows his own agenda. Dracule[besides the Yonkou] is one of the most free characters presented, which shows off his own power already. Factor in being Zoros supposedly final rival, he should be capable of fighting some of the top dogs equaly.

[BlackHair]

Mwk is definitely last tier. Capable of fighting equally with any introduced high tier. Out of the Yonkou and Admirals, I personally believe he is stronger than Shanks and Kizaru. I beleive each high tier is extremely close in power lvl. Means even if I said he would be able to defeat Kiz and Shanks, those fights will be much like Lucci vs Luffy. Luffy won, but just barely, he couldn't even move. I expect a similar scenario.

Anyway strongest Shichubukai followed by DoFlamingo.

[vagabond87]

Mihawk said to Luffy that if he want to be King of Pirates he will have to become stronger than him. So I think that Zoros final enemy is equal to emperors and admirals.. I wonder why he doesnt have even single scar on his body while being swordsman his entire life(Oda drawn him as a kid and even back then he had sword with him).
BTW I cant wait for Bleckbeard killing of Jozu and giving diamond DF power to Shiliew- I predicted something like this when it was said that BB is in hunt for DF powers.

[BlackHair]

Mihawk said to Luffy that if he want to be King of Pirates he will have to become stronger than him. No, Mwk said that becoming Pk is harder than defeating him. (http://www.mangareader.net/103-2114-13/one-piece/chapter-52.html) It has a different meaning than ur interpretation.

Now since we know how the world works, we perfectly understand Mwks words from back then. After all becoming the strongest swordsman means only to defeat the title holder (Mihawk), while becoming PK means conquering the Grand Line and beating every contestant on the way to finally reach Raftel. The island which was said to be only reached by Roger. Leaving anything in the blank century and prior aside.

[Samui]

Over 9000.

[kkck]

I think it is hard to measure real strength in OP...

Mihawk had difficulties to fight vs jozu because of his diamond ability, but Jozu did not stand a chance against an admiral. Of course Jozus abillity was a big advantage, but to consider Mihawk as strong as an admiral is really too much.

Among the swordsman in Op he is certainly one of the strongest and maybe the strongest... I cant measure Shanks (as a fighter, not as an Yonkou) and Shiryuu.

Within the world of Op as a whole I would say he is one fo the 20 strongest characters (considering fighting skills only)

Well, all jozu did was block a slash from mihawk. I would not quite call that a fight just yet lol. Among people who have reached that level I really doubt we can say much from blocking a lone attack. And from what I recall jozu did give aokiji a fight, that he lost in the end is another matter.

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Putting Mihawk above an admiral is to much, those 3 dudes fought evenly with WB,Akainu actually having had the upper hand in most of the fight, while Mihawk stated during the war that he wanted to see the difference in strenght between him and WB, meaning he believed not to be on his level..

And I dont think Mihawk is stronger than Shanks, it was said they used to duel before shanks got injured,so we dont know if the title of the strongest was only claimed by Mihawk after Shanks lost his arm, or even if Shanks had any intention on being granted such a title while he still had both his arms.
He is,no doubt,incredibly strong, and will probably be one of the last, if not the last, big opponent of Zoro,but I dont even think Zoro will end the manga being capable of defeating an admiral 1 vs 1, they are just that powerful,I even doubt Luffy himself will beat any admiral 1vs1 except,perhaps, Akainu, because of revenge,and that will be pretty close to the end of the manga,considering how difficult it is to reach Akainy nowadays.

So, Mihawk is probably the strongest of the shichibukai,depending on Flamingo (from whom we've had so little information) and belongs on the tier of strongest characters in the manga, aside from the final antagonist/Admirals.

I do not doubt he could evenly fight with any Yonkou ( captain ), but I personaly dont believe the captains of the yonkou crews are the strongest characters in the manga, they are very strong,but are only the top 4 because of the crews they've gathered,well, aside from Blackbeard who is being hyped to be the strongest character Luffy will have to defeat..

I don't think we ever saw the admirals fighting evenly with WB. If I recall aokiji was unable to freeze WB and while akainu did land a few hits he also definitely took a pounding from WB. In the end I don't see where exactly the admirals seemed equal to even wounded WB (he was stabbed before he started fighting).

Well, shanks actually caring for the title of the strongest is kinda out there however given what we have seen of shanks and his crew at the start of the manga I doubt there would have been many duels if they hadn't actually tied. Mihawk is not the sort to run away from a fight (no scars of retreat) and shanks is not quite the type to spare an enemy (he and his crew killed the mountain bandits). at least given the context of the story it would make sense they were equal.

I do think the monster trio will eventually be able to take out the admirals though. Wouldn't they need to be able to do at least that much? The 4 yonkou are insanely strong and to boot they should at least a couple people in their crews capable of fighting with admirals. heck, if luffy's crew is meant to have any parallels with the roger pirates it would even make sense for the monster trio to eventually best them. Even Rayleigh at his advanced age and after years of not fighting was able to fight evenly with kizaru.

[Samui]

Jozu blocking Mihawk's slash doesn't mean he will be able to do so in close quarters. Remember how Zoro and Mihawk cut through steel? By making contact with said steel. It shouldn't work differently with Jozu. Of course, it won't be so easy because it IS Jozu, as he has a high defence and a strong body as it is.

[bisha16]

Jozu was being manipulated by doflamengo just like a puppet but he is a diamond and thats why mihawk's attack didn't had any effect just like with bugy whom not even the strongest sword could do a thing to him because of hes devil fruit but this doesn't mean that mihawk is weaker than bugy or jozu

[mattiaildivino]

I think he is the only one who could defeat kuma out of the 7warlords,if we consider BB,as he was before volume 59. although i don't know how he could defeat kuma,who can teleport and can shoot beams and "air" . anyway I think he is weaker than jows,admirals and emperors. hw should have haki but it doesn't mean much,he is the strongest swordsman because he is the best one in using swords,but he would be stomped by a lot of other warriors.

[frontaLobotomy]

Power levels are such a tough one to call in One Piece, as fights are often dictated by the situation. Mihawk may be the strongest swordsman in the world, but if he fought Magellan in Impel Down, for instance, he'd be dead the same as pretty much everyone else. Compared to his fellow Shichibukai (those that we know anyway) I'd put him as one of the top 3 fighters alongside Doflamnigo and Boa Hancock. Whoever replaces Jinbei, Teach and Moria would still be below their level as well imho.

[Zehahaha]

Power levels are such a tough one to call in One Piece, as fights are often dictated by the situation. Mihawk may be the strongest swordsman in the world, but if he fought Magellan in Impel Down, for instance, he'd be dead the same as pretty much everyone else. Compared to his fellow Shichibukai (those that we know anyway) I'd put him as one of the top 3 fighters alongside Doflamnigo and Boa Hancock. Whoever replaces Jinbei, Teach and Moria would still be below their level as well imho.

Why would he be dead ? It's not like he makes direct contact with Magellan, it's only the sword...

[kkck]

Why would he be dead ? It's not like he makes direct contact with Magellan, it's only the sword...

I guess it depends, if we think about it the whole magellan situation had a few points which made no sense. Say crocodile... He has range and there is no reason for his attacks to not his magellan and get him dehydrated. Still we saw the guy running from him... heck, if crocodile could make a path to scape level 6 there is no reason for him to not be able to turn the entire prison into sand or simply climb out of the prison by the same means.

Shiliu seems like a reasonably powerful swordsman, strong enough to impress BB (who was unimpressed by luffy and bonnie). If he is as strong a swordsman as he is implied to be then things like ranged slashes should pretty much be a given and even then he did not seem to be a match to magellan even though realistically speaking magellan did not seem fast or strong enough to keep up with luffy during his bout with him. it wouldn't make sense if shiliu was not THAT strong either as he is likely to fight zoro in the future....

[Zehahaha]

Thing is, dehydrating him would mean " touching " him. If you just touch him, you're dead.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but say that he stretched his hand by turning it to sand, if you threw a liquid at that hand, would it turn normal ?
Or let's say for example Crocodile turns into sand or partially, someone throw a liquid at him, he will turn to his normal self right ?

In the case of Mihawk, he has long range attacks, and also, even in close range, it's his sword that will make direct contact, not Mihawk himself.

About Shiliu, well we don't know if they fought to begin with (unless I forgot), but it has probably happened, and taking into consideration that Magellan is in a closed place, which grants him quite the advantage, it is normal for him to win if there was ever a fight I guess.

[BlackHair]

Im putting Shiryu and Magellan below Mwk. Not together, individually. I don't see how Magellan can beat him. He can fight in long range and his cuts should have no problem passing through his liquid poison. Hence I don't see how Magellan can stop his immense brutal cuts. And since Luffy was able to "scratch" him, it rules him as a high tier out imo.

About Crocodile vs Magellan, this is a though one. Its true that he was running away, but that was for plot reasons imho. I mean Magellan was supposed to be beaten down by BB pirates. And Croco was needed to seize the marine ship. I would still put Magellan above Crocodile, but should be tough one for him. Except the poison fog, everything can be dehydrated by his sand.

Don't get me wrong, Im not downplaying Magellan. I think he is a worthy Admiral candidate, if he got a bit stronger. Im also putting him above Shiryu Crocodile but below Mwk.

[kkck]

Thing is, dehydrating him would mean " touching " him. If you just touch him, you're dead.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but say that he stretched his hand by turning it to sand, if you threw a liquid at that hand, would it turn normal ?
Or let's say for example Crocodile turns into sand or partially, someone throw a liquid at him, he will turn to his normal self right ?

In the case of Mihawk, he has long range attacks, and also, even in close range, it's his sword that will make direct contact, not Mihawk himself.

About Shiliu, well we don't know if they fought to begin with (unless I forgot), but it has probably happened, and taking into consideration that Magellan is in a closed place, which grants him quite the advantage, it is normal for him to win if there was ever a fight I guess.

Crocodile does not need to actually touch magellan to do that. His spada attacks have range and dehydrate the targets. Remember when he attacked the marines that were going to execute ace?

[Zehahaha]

Crocodile does not need to actually touch magellan to do that. His spada attacks have range and dehydrate the targets. Remember when he attacked the marines that were going to execute ace?

Yes that's what I'm talking about, even if he turns into sand, it is still his body right ?

[Lemonadez]

Who knows about his strength, maybe mihawk capable of using haki too? I mean u cant defeat a logia with out using a haki, considering mihawk been in New World already, we know New World have logia user.

Beside even white beard commander able to use haki. I say Mihawk would probably be in admiral level too, Haki can harm admiral :-). If mihawk really that weak then diamon jozu wont even block his attack.

[Schabrak]

Yes that's what I'm talking about, even if he turns into sand, it is still his body right ?
Don't think so, or else Ace attacks at BB or Kizarus laser spikes would have been their own body too. I believe they have control over the element once it's just a moving mass. Of course there's a difference to the extension of their bodies they have shown us at times, like Smoker catching people with his smoke hands. The water Aokiji turns into ice, isn't his body too obviously.

[bisha16]

Don't think so, or else Ace attacks at BB or Kizarus laser spikes would have been their own body too. I believe they have control over the element once it's just a moving mass. Of course there's a difference to the extension of their bodies they have shown us at times, like Smoker catching people with his smoke hands. The water Aokiji turns into ice, isn't his body too obviously.

If u remember the fight between crocodile and doflamingo crocodile got a injury from doflamingo and he got that while he was in his sand form so this means that the sand is part of his body and if u hit the its the same as hitting a part of his body

[Zehahaha]

Don't think so, or else Ace attacks at BB or Kizarus laser spikes would have been their own body too. I believe they have control over the element once it's just a moving mass. Of course there's a difference to the extension of their bodies they have shown us at times, like Smoker catching people with his smoke hands. The water Aokiji turns into ice, isn't his body too obviously.

Well, aren't Crocodile long range attacks an extension of his body ?

[Schabrak]

What I'm talking about is that if the logia user is 100% in human form and sends his element towards the enemy. The destruction of that object doesn't/shouldn't hurt the user, as seen with ... all characters? Could you pm me the scene of the CvsD fight? Only if the user uses the element as an extension of his body/extremities, it would of course hurt the user when the oponent has enough/more control over CoA.

[BlackHair]

In the SBS it was said that any elemental attacks of a logia are part of their body. I remember it clearly since it was one of my first discussions on this forum, I believe it was with Imitorar. (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/member.php/21789-Imitorar) But I couldn't find it in the SBS nor the discussion from back then.

Anyway jsut wanted to say this, hopefully someone else remembers it. Since tbh I lost interest in searching after 2 minutes, maybe tomorrow xD :derp


If u remember the fight between crocodile and doflamingo crocodile got a injury from doflamingo and he got that while he was in his sand form so this means that the sand is part of his body and if u hit the its the same as hitting a part of his bodyDon't remember Crocodile getting hurt by any other than Jozu.

[Jet Piston]

I think Mihawk is one of the strongest characters but to say he is stronger than Kizaru is ridiculous. Kizaru is by far one of the most powerful characters in OP with a really hax logia.

[Lemonadez]

Remember smoker, he's also a logia type.

Boa manage to kick smoker when he's not even solid himself. Haki can harm logia user wether their in solid form or not. we dont know if Don Flamingo can also use haki, we dont even know what his abilities exactly do.

And kizaru isn't the one with hax abilities. Heck u let him fight between Jimbei and kizaru in ocean. Jimbie wins -.- as devil fruit weakness would be sea it self.

If i were to choose between hax abilties, it would be Enel, his abilities can read mind and further more he can tap into unlimited lightning and his lightning alone can wipe out entire island into dust. 200,000,000 volts will hurt other logia user. only rubber was his weakness -.-, imagine if enel took part in whitebeard war, he can wipe out the entire sland where navy standing. His lightning alone is enough to melt a metal. He will just melt aokiji ice and they all sink into sea -.-

[kkck]

Yes that's what I'm talking about, even if he turns into sand, it is still his body right ?

Not necessarily. A bit part of being a logia is the innate ability to generate significant amounts of one element. The sand crocodile creates is not necessarily a part of his body in this particular regard.

[ocajavati]

Um.

If no one noticed, WB was beating back Akainu with relative ease up until he got a stroke or something.

Not to mention WB was nowhere near his prime; Mihawk's gauge of WB's strength could easily be from past memories. Both Marco and Jozu were fighting on par with Admirals until they were caught unaware.

I find it hard to believe Mihawk would be considered weaker than Marco and Jozu. At least on par.

Maybe Mihawk will pick up a few tricks before the end of the manga? Who says the Strawhats are the only one getting stronger as the story progress?

Remember how Roger's first mate was able to beat back Kizaru, despite his lack of practice and advance age? If Luffy does indeed become the Pirate King, I would hope Zoro, being the first mate, could at least match Rayleigh in power.

Otherwise... it would just be a very depressing generation.

[GomuGomu_Getsuga]

I wouldn't put Mihawk on par with the Yonkou or Admirals. He wasn't capable of defeating Vista and didn't show any extreme strength against an injured and tired Luffy. We also have no idea what new swordsmen might rise. Mihawk probably hasn't fought every swordsman in the world.

I think Mihawk can fight an Admiral or Yonkou to some extent but would lose. If Mihawk were that strong then Zoro would be strong enough to defeat Blackbeard, Kaidou, Sengoku or Akainu in the end. That would put Luffy on too high of a level for any villain to stand a chance against him.

[xeteboi]

I would put Mihawk equal to the Admirals,saying Mihawk losing to the Admirals is just like saying that Shanks will lose too. It is the dream of Zoro, next to Pirate Kings dream of Luffy, it is no joke.

[Drakrami]

I'm guessing with the plot twist that Mihawk trained Zoro, someone like Shiryu will eventually defeat or kill Mihawk (no one wants to see this) and Zoro in turn would have to defeat Shiryu to claim the throne of the strongest swordman. At least that is how a traditional manga would develop.

But then One Piece is always unpredictable, and that is why it is One Piece.

[BlackHair]

He wasn't capable of defeating Vista and didn't show any extreme strength against an injured and tired Luffy. We also have no idea what new swordsmen might rise. Mihawk probably hasn't fought every swordsman in the world.

I think Mihawk can fight an Admiral or Yonkou to some extent but would lose. If Mihawk were that strong then Zoro would be strong enough to defeat Blackbeard, Kaidou, Sengoku or Akainu in the end. That would put Luffy on too high of a level for any villain to stand a chance against him.I strongly disagree with ur Bleach or Dragonball concept. Honestly I can't stand it. It doesn't work in OP. Luffy is always portrayed close to Zoro's lvl -> red datebook. One Piece isn't like: A beat B, so naturally A has to be stronger than C, who was beaten by B. Such theory simply doesn't work. There will be certainly opponents who Luffy jsut can't handle.

Just cause Mwk has the title of the strongest, doesn't make any other swordsman a fodder for his swords. Take AoKiji vs Akainu for example. They needed to fight 10 days to determine the stronger one. So now considering that how long did Mwk fight with Vista? couple of seconds maybe?! What makes u think Vista can be beaten in mere seconds, in minutes max? Why do u portray Vista as a fodder?

Anyway, Mwk played with Luffy and Vista is no fodder. Period.



I think Mihawk is one of the strongest characters but to say he is stronger than Kizaru is ridiculous. Kizaru is by far one of the most powerful characters in OP with a really hax logia.Kiz hax? hm.. true some ability's of Kiz may hax, but that goes also for some of Croco's or any other df abilities. Guys with hax abilities are Kuma and Enel imo. Maybe Im forgetting someone xD


Oda is saving Mwk for future plot. Means he couldn't let him go wild in the war arc. Mwk along with just a few guys (Kizaru, Hancock..) left the marineford war with absolute zero damage line. No panting, no dirt, no wounds, no signs of battle altogether. Think about it for a second.

Mwk is Zoros goal, a endgame character. Saying that he will definitely lost to Admirals or Yonko is just a false statement imho.

[kkck]

So... isn't luffy's crew meant to mimic in some form roger's own to some degree? In this particular regard, we did see Rayleigh being a match for an admiral even though he was an old fart who had spent the last 20 something years boosing. It wouldn't be strange at all that zoro to end up being actually stronger than an admiral nearing the end of the manga which incidentally is, as I said before, the most likely time he will finally defeat the strongest swordsman in the world. Mihawk is a monster among monsters, heck, casually swinging his sword resulted in a several mile long cut of a huge iceberg (admittedly the iceberg was indeed created by an admiral but still).... Heck, mihawk is one of the few people who walked out of the war without so much as a scratch on him....

[elitefox]

Remember smoker, he's also a logia type.

Boa manage to kick smoker when he's not even solid himself. Haki can harm logia user wether their in solid form or not. we dont know if Don Flamingo can also use haki, we dont even know what his abilities exactly do.

And kizaru isn't the one with hax abilities. Heck u let him fight between Jimbei and kizaru in ocean. Jimbie wins -.- as devil fruit weakness would be sea it self.

If i were to choose between hax abilties, it would be Enel, his abilities can read mind and further more he can tap into unlimited lightning and his lightning alone can wipe out entire island into dust. 200,000,000 volts will hurt other logia user. only rubber was his weakness -.-, imagine if enel took part in whitebeard war, he can wipe out the entire sland where navy standing. His lightning alone is enough to melt a metal. He will just melt aokiji ice and they all sink into sea -.-

Well ground is infinite conductor of electrical energy so he cannot really destroy an island, that is why he like the floating piece of ground but all that is above land is going to be destroyed nevertheless... Enel's teleportation > Kisaru, that I think is his advantage but kisaru have haki so kisaru is going to kick his ass big time :^_^

[BlackHair]

I believe at the very end of the story the monster trio will be capable of fighting the Admirals/Yonko on par. They will be definitely high tier. Luffy will be without doubt the strongest man at the very end. Since Zoro has been imo always portrayed close to Luffy's lvl, I have every reason to believe that Mwk as his last game foe will be extremely strong. Oda is saving him for plot after all.

I think Mwk can definitely win against Shanks and Kizaru, individually. Not by a big margin, much like Luffy vs Lucci.

[kkck]

To be completely honest I don't think that even now the monster trio are that far off from the admirals... I mean, not one of them would actually win in a fight just yet against them however with the strength they have shown I do think they would indeed be able to put up a fight. The monster trio at least are by no means people who could be easily dealt with by admirals nowadays, without at the very least that much now there is no way they would be able to survive their impending fight against the full might of one of the yonko...

[BlackHair]

Actualy Im not sure about that. Though a lot of ppl seem to share ur opinion. True the monster trio are much stronger. But putting them on high tier lvl, I don't know. I mean we are despite everything just barely past the middle of the grandline. There has to be at east 3 arcs before Raftel. I don't think the crew has already high tier fighters in their midst. Otherwise there wouldn't be much space for improvement.

The monster trio were taken by AoKiji's single attack. Now I might see them fighting back together, maybe even win by hairbreadth. But each monster on his own? I don't think they can hold their own yet.

[kkck]

Well, the whole point of the timeskip was that they would be able to defend themselves from strong people. more so, if they are not capable of at least holding their ground against an admiral there is no way they can in any imaginable way get the best of the guys that make up big mom's crew (at least I can't imagine a yonko without people capable of going 1 on 1 against an admiral).

[suraj5898]

I wouldn't put Mihawk on par with the Yonkou or Admirals. He wasn't capable of defeating Vista and didn't show any extreme strength against an injured and tired Luffy. We also have no idea what new swordsmen might rise. Mihawk probably hasn't fought every swordsman in the world.

I think Mihawk can fight an Admiral or Yonkou to some extent but would lose. If Mihawk were that strong then Zoro would be strong enough to defeat Blackbeard, Kaidou, Sengoku or Akainu in the end. That would put Luffy on too high of a level for any villain to stand a chance against him.

when luffy find one piece and will have final war i think it he will have war against world government that means admiral will not be strongest fighter from their side they will be these 5 old man . i m 100% sure they r more powerful then admiral

[eefrit]

I completely missed this topic somehow. Mihawk is strong, there is no doubt about that, but I highly doubt that he is stronger than an admiral or Shanks. I'm am certain that he is on the same level as them, however. I personally would be rather vexed if he were stronger than all three of the marine's greatest fighting force. We've seen what the admirals can do when they go all out (Punk Hazard).

I'm pretty sure he and Shanks were equal in strength before Shanks lost his arm. Remember, it was said that Mihawk had stopped pursuing Shanks. Meaning Shanks was someone Mihawk felt he had to either prove his superiority to or he was the only one who he could take on while not holding back. Either way he apparently went out of his way to find Shanks whenever he wanted to fight. As for now, I'm certain they are still on the same level, as a databook stated Shanks was not weakened in anyway and when Mihawk found Shanks to tell him about Luffy, Shanks seemed pretty comfortable with the idea of fighting him, although Mihawk lost interest.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Well, Mihawk is obviously damn strong. As for how strong he is. I would put him around an Admiral level. The difference is that if he can defeat an Admiral or just manage to tie with them? I believe he won't actually win against any of the Admirals. These guys are just beasts in any term and with their DFs they are just beyond a reason. Also they seem to be quite proficient in terms of Haki. If we remember the fight between Akainu and those who tried to prevent him chaising Luffy and Jimbei barely managed to hurt him and they were Marco, Vista dn some other strong guys and Marco and Vista do know Haki, so it's not only about Haki and being strong to take down a Logia Admiral.

And about Shanks and Mihawk... Well, there is a difference between being still that strong and being as strong as before as a swordsman. Mihawk was interested in a sword fight, not a fight of Haki or something else and obviously that Shanks got worse with sword as he lost his main hand. And nothing implies that he is as good as he was with his sword than before as the only thing he did was a block, but you can do it without being a swordsman. For now Shanks relies mostly on Haki and it's obviously great, but Mihawk clashed with him before as a swordsman, so he isn't interested in fighting him anymore.;)

[eefrit]

As weird as it is, I still think Shanks is one of the strongest swordsmen. I just believe that Mihawk, like Zoro, has an honor code and he feels that there is no honor in fighting a one armed opponent, even if he hasn't lost any skill.

[GomuGomu_Getsuga]

I think the new big question is if Mihawk will be the final swordsman that Zoro will face. Mihawk is known as the strongest swordsman but he hasn't defeated every swordsman in the world.

I still think the real strongest is Zoro's original master. Wouldn't that be badass?

[eefrit]

Mihawk is Zoro's final goal. There should be nothing to change that. He hasn't fought every swordsman, true, but I'm sure any swordsman would want to test their skills against the "World's Greatest Swordsman".

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Well, now after Zoro was training under Mihawk,, I don't really think they will have an actual fight for the title of the strongest swordsman. I believe that Mihawk, after witnessing Zoro's progress at some point will claim that Zoro has become the strongest one and pass this title to him.;)

[M3J]

I would put Mihawk as an admiral-level strength, considering he became a shichibukai and managed to beat Zoro like it was nothing. I think he's the only one to have done that, although Zoro was nowhere near the level he was after Skypeia. Not to mention, Zoro became far more powerful under Mihawk, being able to take on a Pacifista when even the Monster 3 had to go all out to even damage it.

He could even be Yonkou level though, since he and Shanks fought a lot for fun, but I dunno who won those fights, and whether Shanks went all out.

[kkck]

I doubt mihawk would let go of the title of the strongest without a fight... He is a swordsman who we know for a fact challenged shanks solely to test and prove his skills, he cares about being the strongest. I'd argue there is no reason for mihawk to not be zoro's final enemy even after the admirals.

[M3J]

Mihawk will definitely be one of Zoro's final enemies. I'm not sure if he's stronger than the admirals, but if he's not, then I stand by with what I said, if none of the admirals use swords. It would be pretty cool to see that fight, considering Mihawk beat Zoro without a problem. A great way to see how strong Zoro's gotten. I wouldn't mind seeing Mihawk when he started out to the middle and up to the current to see how strong he was and how much stronger he's gotten, considering his power. So far, Mihawk is the only person to beat Zoro like nothing, if I recall.

Even a pacfista or Lucci couldn't keep Zoro down.

[Zehahaha]

Well, now after Zoro was training under Mihawk,, I don't really think they will have an actual fight for the title of the strongest swordsman. I believe that Mihawk, after witnessing Zoro's progress at some point will claim that Zoro has become the strongest one and pass this title to him.;)

Nope, a fight is fated between these two (and certainly a long awaited one), although I'd love to see a peek at Mihawk's true strength (you know, some wtf feat like cutting a huge thing into half, not the iceberg, but imagine him cutting a freaking island haha)

[MiyamotoMusashi]

My estimation of power levels, although to declare it as such is not entirely possible since the strength of the characters are not easily defined but it is just how i view the characters based on the feats we have seen + the build-up a character got and i´ll probably believe in this until i am proven otherwise:


Yonkou =/> Admirals = Mihawk>DD> Yonkou commanders (Marco, Jozu, maybe Ace)> Kuma, Hancock = Luffy >Jinbe, Crocodile = Vergo, Smoker, Zoro, Sanji

This could easily change when new characters are introduced or i see something that does not fit with this

[Ankit]

He is probably the strongest out of the Schichibkai, or atleast one of the strongest. I'd have to say that he's probably weaker than the Admirals because the Admirals are incredible military powers. The fact that the Admirals couldn't take down WB by themselves is irrelevent because WB was arguably the Strongest person to live in the OP world at the time. Having the title of Yonkou probably also means that you are also of an incredibly high caliber when it comes to fighting(evidenced by the Marines not willing to continue when Shanks came to stop the war, as well as the preperations for WB's arrival).

Mihawk is probably somewhere between Yonkou/Admiral level and Schibukai/Vice Admiral level (not saying that they are equal to each other, but that's how I see the "tiers" at the moment).

[llaubacher]

I'd see Mihawk's power at the level of an Admiral. Also, in my opinion, he is the strongest out of the Shichibukai, if there is someone equal to him, then it MIGHT be Doflamingo. I can't imagine anyone else of Shichibukai to go toe on toe with him. I believe he would give an Yonkou a hard time as well. It's known about his matches with Shanks before he has lost his hand, however, we don't know the outcomes of those fights. Hopefully, we will get to see them in the future in some flashbacks.