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crono
January 31, 2012, 09:05 AM
So similar to Naruto where everyone assumes that Naruto is the 4th Hokage's son at the beginning, then everyone forgets about it as it's not hinted at for a long time until it's finally revealed, I think Kubo has deliberately left out the Shiba clan for a long time so that when Ichigo's past is revealed, it will come as more of a shock.

Everyone remembers the SS arc, which is why many of us read/watch this manga/anime. I don't think it's a coincidence that Ichigo looks exactly like Shiba Kaien, and I'm sure it will be connected later. I fully expect to see the return of Ganju/Kukaku within the next few arcs.

As for the name, I'm unsure whether Ichigo's mom or dad was a Shiba. It was indicated that Ichigo was half human/half shinigami, which means his mom must have been human. Isshin also introduces himself as "Kurosaki Isshin" when fighting Grand Fisher, so that makes a conundrum since that would mean that Ichigo's dad isn't a Shiba either, but Ichigo's dad could easily just have taken his wife's name (with Ichigo taking his mom's name - another parallel to Naruto).

Anyone else expecting the Shiba clan to tie in to Ichigo's background once it is revealed?

kanamechidori
January 31, 2012, 11:12 AM
crono, Isshin could have switched his name like Gendou Rokubungi aka Gendou "That evil bastard" Ikari.

Maybe Kurosaki was Masaki's families name.

I had a feeling for a long time, way before the Kushina reveal in Naruto, that Masaki was nice and sweet with her family but was a secret badass.

I'd love to see a flashback where Masaki is the one beating the shit out of punks.

It would be really cool if Isshin was calm and goofy and Masaki was hot headed and violent. Bonus points for Ichigo's teacher being in Masaki's old biker gang and that being the reason why she let's Ichigo skip out of class whenever he wants.

kkck
January 31, 2012, 08:13 PM
Dunno, somehow I don't quite see this.... More so, under this logic hisagi should be ichigo's cousin or something. I think their similar appearances are just a coincidence which kubo used as a plot device in the early stages of the manga. I do think kurosaki is masaki's family name though, otherwise it would be weird for SS to not relate ishin to ichigo early on.

yumimi
February 01, 2012, 05:09 PM
There's also the other unknown fourth family xD But personallly, I don't think it's going to happen... It's just all those Ichigo is going to be a captain things, it's not really suited to his style (Ichigo has always seemed rather like an underdog ~_~)

kkck
February 03, 2012, 12:10 PM
Underdog? You can't possibly mean the human born with shinigami/hollow powers and captain level reiatsu who has the innate ability to shrink years of training into mere days who had a 3 month training session with zangetsu in order to develop actual godlike powers lol.

Mayumura
February 03, 2012, 04:03 PM
I noticed it when I were watching Bleach for first time. Isshin is very similliar to Ganju and Ichigo to Kaien, but I just forgot that stuff cuz Kubo love to use same face/hair model to many characters.

Darjaille
February 04, 2012, 05:21 AM
The resemblance between Ichigo and Kaien

So, even tho we could 'deal with it' in sense that Kubo will confirm, no there's nothing more to their resemblance, I kinda doubt he'd put it into the preview chapters if it wasn't a big thing ;D

I think the one from Shiba House is Isshin. Why? We have yet to see what makes Shiba a nobles one (as we know, not one of the 4 noble houses, but the "5th one" once was..), so far we have Kuukaku who is strong, but isn't exactly Noble!Genius like Bya or Yoruichi, Ganju is...... :p (and maybe adopted, who knows, but I don't think so XD), Kaien was strong, Lieutenant level (like Byakuya's father for example) and he probably could become Cpt level (but he's dead obviously)... But there's no one we know that was ultra strong like Yoru or Bya.. and Isshin would fit the bill. Plus his looks also are "rough" (can't find proper word), wild and strong like Kuukaku and Ganju....

Masaki was either human or Quincy in my book...

yumimi
February 04, 2012, 08:04 AM
So, even tho we could 'deal with it' in sense that Kubo will confirm, no there's nothing more to their resemblance, I kinda doubt he'd put it into the preview chapters if it wasn't a big thing ;D

I think the one from Shiba House is Isshin. Why? We have yet to see what makes Shiba a nobles one (as we know, not one of the 4 noble houses, but the "5th one" once was..), so far we have Kuukaku who is strong, but isn't exactly Noble!Genius like Bya or Yoruichi, Ganju is...... :p (and maybe adopted, who knows, but I don't think so XD), Kaien was strong, Lieutenant level (like Byakuya's father for example) and he probably could become Cpt level (but he's dead obviously)... But there's no one we know that was ultra strong like Yoru or Bya.. and Isshin would fit the bill. Plus his looks also are "rough" (can't find proper word), wild and strong like Kuukaku and Ganju....

Masaki was either human or Quincy in my book...

You just made me imagine Uryuu as a Kurosaki cousin ~_~

And you just made me think of something with your post ^^ Kaien was the eldest and strongest right? Well so is Ichigo. I think the patterb here is younger sibling = less power. I'm pretty sure Byakuya and Yoruichi were only children ( or at least, I don't remember any siblings being mentioned) so it wouldn't apply to them. So yeah, Kuukaku is older than Ginjou, thus she's stronger than Ginjou. Same with Karin, but then Karin/Yuzu would be weird since they are twins >_>

Lulz I hope I make a bit of sense here xD just made it up then...

crono
February 09, 2012, 10:12 AM
Supposedly, Kubo said recently that this last arc will give the reason as to why Kaien and Ichigo look alike, so there is definitely more of a connection there than "Kubo can only draw a few models". I'm banking on Shiba Ichigo!

Jorge D. Dragon
February 10, 2012, 03:26 AM
It would be actually interesting if Ichigo is one of the Shiba clan. That will open tons of posibilities for character debvelopment of Ganju, Kuukaku and Ishhin with Ichigo as well. The thing is, that we know that Shiba were once the Fifth Noble House, but at some point something happened that made them collapse... Maybe Isshin had some connection to it? I believe it will be revealed at some point in the same way we saw infor on Urahara and Vaizards.;)

Darjaille
February 18, 2012, 04:37 AM
It would be actually interesting if Ichigo is one of the Shiba clan. That will open tons of posibilities for character debvelopment of Ganju, Kuukaku and Ishhin with Ichigo as well. The thing is, that we know that Shiba were once the Fifth Noble House, but at some point something happened that made them collapse... Maybe Isshin had some connection to it? I believe it will be revealed at some point in the same way we saw infor on Urahara and Vaizards.;)

Hm, I don't think that would be taken as bad thing if Isshin was just so damn good that he was promoted to Royal Guard...
..assuming he was, of course...
But this should be answered in the arc. Somewhere. Flashback mini-arcs are always just so good that the opportunity is too big for Kubo to miss it.

Reappearance of Kuukaku (...and Ganju.... xP) would be awesome.

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So, for now.. How there's this new arc called 1000yr Blood War, I think there was something in the past about Noble Houses, a war or conflict, and Shiba clan ended up cast out.

Jorge D. Dragon
February 21, 2012, 02:55 AM
It might be connected to the Shiba Clan and some dirty deeds among Nobles, but it might be also only partly connected with it and mainly focused on other things.
Though I believe we'll have a mix and it will be connected to all Noble Houses, King, Royal Guard, Quincy extemination, Arrancars and might be with someone totally new.;)

crono
November 28, 2012, 03:49 PM
So it looks like Ichigo is a Shiba. It was lame however that in one chapter, Aizen called Ichigo half-human, half-Shinigami, though now it seems Ichigo is part Quincy.

devstauk
November 29, 2012, 12:04 AM
So it looks like Ichigo is a Shiba. It was lame however that in one chapter, Aizen called Ichigo half-human, half-Shinigami, though now it seems Ichigo is part Quincy.

Aizen was actually cut off half way through and its obvious now what he was going to say, which is half shinigami - half quincy

crono
December 03, 2012, 06:28 AM
Aizen was actually cut off half way through and its obvious now what he was going to say, which is half shinigami - half quincy

I remember the translation I saw said "because you are half shinigami and" and in the next chapter, it said "because you are half human and" , which made it seem like he was half shinigami and half human.

If you look here http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v45/c398// it says "half human and...". You are saying half shinigami and half quincy, but that doesn't go with the previous chapter that says that he is half-human.

Schabrak
December 13, 2012, 07:36 AM
Quincy back at that point were clearly 100% human, so there is no error in the words of Aizen["He's a human and..."] or does Ichigo stop to be one, just by having a mixed heritage?

Duniak
December 17, 2012, 11:17 AM
Quincy back at that point we're clearly 100percent human, so there is no error in the words of Aizen or does Ichigo stop to be one(whatever), just by having a mixed heritage?

English, please?

Well, I would wonder about Quincies being HUMANS. I mean, they live for a long time. Juha said about QUINCIES being in SS, and finally gaining peace after obliterating them 1000 years ago.

For me it looks like there were 2 types of fighters in SS. Quincies and Shinigamis. We still have Blut Vene and Artearie to explain. Juha said something about memories in reiatsu? Looks like it's inherited to me. One side got almost wiped out, hid on Earth, maybe in human forms, teached people how to utilize reishi (Ishida-like Quincies. No BV/BA, can use arrows). 200 years ago human-quincies attacked, got almost wiped out like... again. And we now see round 3.

TravisAxel
December 22, 2012, 12:36 AM
I think Isshin was an ex Royal Guard member and Masaki was a quincy. After being requested by the King to wipe out the Quincies, he either bailed out or was exiled because he was in love with Masaki so they fled to earth. He was probably head of the Shiba clan too.

Being that hes close friends with Urahara it would explain why Urahara had access to the Royal Dimension and its technologies. It would also explain why captains didnt first recognize him or Ichigo by the name Kurosaki which was likely taken from Masaki.

Also a little headcanon, but I think Kuukaku Kaien and Ganju are Isshins kids. They probably lived full lives as humans and when they died they went to SS. Kuukaku probably forgave Rukia for killing Kaien because she was such a good friend to Ichigo (her little brother).

All RGs are known for creating something substantial in SS's history.
What Isshin probably created was "The Heart" :derp

crono
March 06, 2013, 08:26 PM
So it's confirmed. Ichigo is a Shiba. Pretty obvious since Kaien looked exactly like Ichigo. Looking forward to the return of Ganju and Kukaku. I hope bleach gets as good as back in the day - SS arc - best arc ever.

liductan
March 08, 2013, 01:09 AM
So it's confirmed. Ichigo is a Shiba. Pretty obvious since Kaien looked exactly like Ichigo. Looking forward to the return of Ganju and Kukaku. I hope bleach gets as good as back in the day - SS arc - best arc ever.

I just can't wait to see the interaction between ichigo and ganju...Maybe the best family reunion ever:^_^

kkck
March 15, 2013, 04:40 PM
I think ganju will act all superior over ichigo and stuff. Ganju is technically the heir to the main house while ichigo is the son of a human and the apparently on the run member of a branch house. And then we have ichigo beating the crap out of him and not giving a damn about being a shiba.

Garnered
March 15, 2013, 05:43 PM
Hey first time poster and I just finished reading Bleach after many times I was dissuaded to read it, I had trouble understanding this one page http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/518/16 and I think that this foreshadowed that Ichigo and Ganju are cousins and connected. I'm not sure when they know but its clear that Kuukaku knew beforehand they were relatives.

Jorge D. Dragon
May 31, 2013, 05:32 AM
Well, I'm really waiting for Family's reunion.
Now it would be interesting to see how strong Ganju is. And I really wonder, why Isshin didn't try to help him grow stronger after he regained his Shinigami powers, since now during the War he should carry about his family. And considering that Ganju is currently the head of the clan, Isshin (who is the second in the line) should help him to be a strong leader both in terms of knowledge and power.

Well, it's interesting to know if Kuukaku and Isshin had meeting, when Isshin was living as a simple human in the Real World, since she obviously knew about Ichigo beeing his son.

ktlynnhutch
June 16, 2013, 06:53 PM
http://www.mangapanda.com/94-616-8/bleach/chapter-162.html

...Anyone else see what Kubo did to us? Byakuya was right all along about it being impossible for a mere human to do what Ichigo has done! AND he hinted that Ichigo was more than he appears to be... aka a noble and an actual shinigami! Why is it that every little comment makes sense now?!

Schabrak
June 17, 2013, 12:24 PM
But he said that Ichigo is not a noble.

Yet he's right on other stuff and still wrong on other, from 163:


The thing that you are holding can not be bankai. It is impossible for something so small to be bankai.
It it impossible for a mere drifter to achieve bankai.

Little Byakuya hasn't been attentive in history class with old Shigekuni having exactly that, a compressed version of his shikai.
Luckily he's not a mere drifter as we learned recently.