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Page356
February 02, 2012, 05:53 PM
Okay we know that the supernovas all have at least 100,000 bounties....but why? Luffy defeated 2/7 of the Schichibukai, envaded Enies Lobby, survived a buster call, has a crewmates that can read polyglyphs and have the blue prints to Pluton, and he is the son of Dragon and grandson of Garp and he didn't even have the highest bounty.

Seriously what else is left in the first part of the Grand Line to get a high bounty? I know some may have been cruel but seriously, 100,000 berri bounty? Just looking for ideas.

Fox666
February 02, 2012, 06:09 PM
As far we know, a bounty of 300 million is just a rookie. Supposedly someone like Enel could get a bounty of 500 million if he was a pirate.

Shinobuden
February 02, 2012, 06:58 PM
The only one I really know why he has such a huge bounty is Eustass. He's notorious for causing a lot of civilian casualties during his voyage, but that's about all I know. As for the rest, it remains a mystery really but I imagine it's along the same lines as Eustass.

kkck
February 02, 2012, 10:09 PM
Well, bounties take in a number of factors so it is not really that far fetched that they got those bounties. Bounties can consider strength, potential, threat level, actions and there is also the bias of any given person who assigns the bounties. Luffy got a 400 mil bounty yet we have no reason whatsoever to believe that before the timeskip he would have defeated a shichibukai (I do believe the crocodile and moria situations were highly circumstantial), a VA, an admiral or even pekoms.... At least if we were to consider strength alone as a factor for the bounty I would have thought luffy was grossly overpriced to say the least. Now, to get to where they did the supernova must have killed, pillage and fought marines and so on. Their strength is considerable and their potential quite something too. I also have this little theory that bounties are increasingly harder to increase to say the very least. Luffy got 100 mil for a shichibukai (purely circumstantial though), 300 mil for ennies lobby and rob lucci and 400 once he took out ID and marineford. Is that proportional? If anything it would make sense for him to get another 400 for ID and marineford alone.... Yet ID and marinford only increased his bounty by 100 mil. More so, the supernova which seemed to be the most relevant weren't necessarily even the ones with the highest bounties. Ok, there was kid but after him the ones who seemed more important were law, who had a smaller bounty than hawkins and drake and then bonnie who did not even clear 150 mil. Heck, remember when luffy first met BB? BB did not even believe luffy was worth the 30 mil he claimed to be worth even though at the time luffy had already received the 100 mil bounty. Given all of this, at least on strength alone it is likely not one of the supernova were worth even 100 mil so the WG must have necessarily taken into account their potential and what they could become in time along with particular actions which would inflate their bounty disproportionately to their strength. It is even plausible that the world government gave the rookies highly inflated bounties in hopes that they would catch the eye of exceptionally strong people and get killed before they reach their potential and live up to their high bounties.

tret16
February 02, 2012, 10:52 PM
Well like kkck said, bounties can also measure potential threat. Luffy is a sign of this type a thinking... When he got his first bounty, the marine said that he is a POTENTIAL threat and that was why he was given 30 mil bounty which was the highest in east blue for a long time. And then add in the other big things like ennies lobbie, shichibukai, ID and the war which brought it too 400mil.

Now i know most people wouldn't think that piliging and killing weaklings isn't that big a deal but just think that if it was in a real world, something like that is known as a serial killer. it's a bigger deal then you think even i nthe OP world. Kidd killed countless people without any remource and i would imagine quite a few of them were marines as well. Then add in his ability which is very strong in that era. I mean almost all weapons in the OP world are made of metal, so the only thing that would be effective againts him would be people with extreme strength too hurt him through the metal and very high speed too avoid his attacks and also a DF ability that stops from taking damage from blunt force attacks.

Now if you take bonnie for instance, hers wasn't given too her because of what she has done. It was given to her because of something with the WG and her potential threat... Even BB said that he was surprised that her bounty was so high.

For hawkins i could see his bounty being his potential as well since he's able to see the potential death and also being able to inflict damage on others simply by using a type a voodoo magic.

The rest we would have too see from Oda himself on why they got so high...

Zehahaha
February 03, 2012, 10:42 AM
Well but still... I think Oda screwed big time when he made Kidd have a bigger bounty than Luffy. He took out 2 Shichibukai, invaded EL, defeated CP9, declared war on the WG... If Kidd did half of this shit, I'd bow down to him but I doubt he did something that outrageous.

Shinobuden
February 03, 2012, 10:55 AM
Well but still... I think Oda screwed big time when he made Kidd have a bigger bounty than Luffy. He took out 2 Shichibukai, invaded EL, defeated CP9, declared war on the WG... If Kidd did half of this shit, I'd bow down to him but I doubt he did something that outrageous.

^ This is a pretty good point.

For all we know Kidd was merely violent and caused mayhem, but he never did something on the scale the Straw Hats did. I also find Kidd's bounty a bit unreasonable considering what the Straw Hats did before getting to Sabaody.

kkck
February 03, 2012, 10:56 AM
I doubt he did something that outrageous but I could see his crimes piling up. We have seen what he is like. He is a loose gun, he would kill on a whim and his ability itself would seem to be an ideal way to fight the marines. Metal is something found everywhere to say the least, even as a rookie taking him out without rather high level marines would have been difficult or plain impossible IMO. What could, say a battleship, do against him? He would stop the cannon balls with his ability and it would be remarkably useful at destroying the ships too. It is a matter of him making them float and throwing them off somewhere. Heck, we have seen the scale a few fruits can have once properly developed (WB, admirals and so on). Imagine kid reaching his potential and being in a naval fight... He could potentially destroy several battleships at once to say the least and cannon fire would be useless. Kid might not be the son of dragon but in many ways I would argue it is easy to see how he could be one of the more dangerous supernova. Considering his rather violent personality, it is easy to see how at every island he could have stopped he could have gotten in trouble with the marines and cause a hell lot more destruction against marines and civilians alike. I guess it depends on how oda makes this however kid being the psychopath he is is in many ways more dangerous than luffy.

Zehahaha
February 03, 2012, 11:16 AM
Well, Kidd crazy attitude has been displayed already, and he admitted that he killed anyone who dared mock him. But I don't know man... The Marines hold some double standards here that I don't get. They seem to take on consideration bloodline (Luffy & Ace), and people who know something that may causes harm to the very foundation of the WG (Robin for example), if a person attacks civilian or not, if a person attacks Marines or not... But sometimes, they seem to completely disregard civilians from the equation (Roger didn't seen like the kind of guy who would kill civilians just because they'd mock him, although he'd do it they mocked his Nakama). And yet, Roger must have been the most wanted man before Dragon.

Put aside Luffy's bloodline and his connections with extremely strong and dangerous people (Shanks, Rayleigh...), he attacked directly the WG, managed to escape from ID (a feat that was made only by Shiki), and rampaged in the war (he was an ant, but certainly left an impact in that war). Out of all the Supernovas, he's the one with the most outrageous acts, as far as we know, Kidd didn't take out EL/CP9/Shichibukai, I can see it easily that he just fought against other Marines/Pirates... I doubt he faced an Admiral, or Shichibukai. I doubt he had enough trouble like Luffy had.

Shinobuden
February 03, 2012, 11:58 AM
I just don't think Kidd's actions or his personality warrant such a huge bounty, no matter how many casualties he caused along the way. We've seen plenty of pirates with rotten personalities who have no qualms about killing anyone, yet some of those don't even have bounties exceeding 50 million.
Granted, Kidd has a very powerful devil fruit which renders most weapons with a metallic/iron nature useless, effectively neutralizing navy forces simply by using that. But I still don't see how that along with his dangerous personality got him such a huge bounty.
In that regard, I'd expect others such as Law and Bonney to have higher bounties aswell. They're clearly not as violent as Kidd, but their devil fruits are pretty powerful and I don't think we've seen the full extent of their abilities yet.

matzik1212
February 03, 2012, 01:14 PM
Well but still... I think Oda screwed big time when he made Kidd have a bigger bounty than Luffy. He took out 2 Shichibukai, invaded EL, defeated CP9, declared war on the WG... If Kidd did half of this shit, I'd bow down to him but I doubt he did something that outrageous.

Yeah but you have to take into account that while Kidd is a pirate who kills right and left and likes to brag about his power , Luffy isn't that type of guy , i mean he didn't even care that WG covered many of his doings like him being the one who took down Crocodile or Moria . that's why i think they gave Kidd a higher bounty but anyway that 300 mil Luffy had didn't exactly reflect his real threat lvl IMO .
The things will change from now on i'm sure , NW is a dangerous sea and if the SH's take down important pirates than i'm sure that will be reflected in their bounties.
As for the SN's bounties if you ask me i think none of them did much except they are merciless pirates and killed innocent people (even Law is a creepy guy though he helped Luffy he definitely has a plan ) unlike the SH's that's why i think their bounties can't be compared with Luffy's bounty. :^_^

kkck
February 03, 2012, 02:30 PM
I never quite got the impression law had any ulterior motives to help luffy, I do think he did it on a whim. IMO if there had been a particular reason for him to do that then odds are ivankov or jinbe would have had at least a mild suspicion of it.

Honestly though, I do think the supernova bounties in general were inflated to a great degree. Why else would pekoms, a haki user with a zoan fruit from big mom's crew, have a bounty similar to that of rookies which he can easily defeat? I think the bounties that the supernova had were meant to be long term, they were not meant to change for a long time except for some exceptional circumstances. Supernova bounties reflect their potential in general, their strength is only a minor thing when it is considered. the supernova were said to be many times during the manga the ones who will shape the future, the ones who will define the next piracy age. I think the world government acknowledged this thus their specific high bounties. Drake probably had his high bounty due to being a former marine though. He was familiar with the pacifista and probably has some other information about the government...

Oni Giri
February 03, 2012, 04:05 PM
with his damage to WG luffy's bounty should have been by far the highest but some of his outrageous actions were covered while kid's crimes were publicly known. and i remember jinbei saying something like "it's harder to increase your bounty after 300 mil."

kkck
February 03, 2012, 06:50 PM
jinbe said he thought luffy's bounty would increase but he did not expect it to reach 400 mil. He never said anything about how hard it is to increase his bounty after a particular point.

Oni Giri
February 04, 2012, 12:34 PM
well, i don't know if it's a mistranslation but here (http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/628/16) it is

eefrit
February 05, 2012, 10:12 AM
As others have said, a good portion of Luffy's more recent exploits have been hidden by the government. I'm sure his new 400 million is because of his assistance of Whitebeard in the war as we have seen that the WG doesn't want anybody to know about the ID incident.

As for the rest of the Supernova (excluding Zoro), I'm sure Kidd and Killer have killed civilians as well as marines, giving them a boost, Capone seems kinds of ruthless and seems like someone who constantly pillages for money, Drake was a Rear Admiral and most likely has an incredible amount of WG knowledge as seen when he knew about the Pacifista, and Bonney is probably a similar case to Robin as seen when Akainu talked to her. As for Uroge, Law, Hawkins, and Apoo, I've no clue as to what they could have done to receive those bounties aside from basic piracy.

so_amazing
February 06, 2012, 07:59 PM
^-"Heck, remember when luffy first met BB? BB did not even believe luffy was worth the 30 mil he claimed to be worth even though at the time luffy had already received the 100 mil bounty."
Actually Black beard was implying that luffy should be worth more than 30 million because he could sense luffy's haki at that time, it actually says haki in the japanese but wasnt fully introduced as a concept at that point.

kkck
February 06, 2012, 10:55 PM
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v25/c234/16.html

---------- Post added at 10:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:54 PM ----------

At least that is what the translation available says. I guess it could be wrong although I have never seen a proper source that says otherwise.

mattiaildivino
February 09, 2012, 11:22 AM
they have obtained them reaching the grand line defeating enemies and marines. kidd is the only one,who has got an over 300M, although he doesn't really deserve it,and that's because he has been killing too many citizens. about killer,I don't think his bounty has been increased much for these murders,because he is not the captain. and drake was a rear admiral,then he knows a lot of things concerning the Marine,he is dangerous for that,but he must have done other else.

Jorge D. Dragon
February 10, 2012, 05:03 AM
Actually I also don't get why other Supernovas got such high bounties, especially when Zoro and Luffy were obviously stronger than majority of them and the same Zoro should also had higher bounty than most of those Supernovas.
Remember that on Sabaondy Luffy and his crew took down one Pacifista and started a fight against second Pacifista, before Kuma and Kizaru and Sentomaru arrived, while at the same time Kidd, Law and their two crews barely managed to take one Pacifista. I believe it shows the difference between their powers and their crews on one hand and Luffy's on the other.

I also believe that Drake is surely understimated. He should be obviously stronger than Law and also stronger than Kidd and he also started his New World actions as the most outragious. Also I believe he should have been in the New World as Marine.

I believe that we should consider that Captains bounty increases way more than crew members, so sometimes the Captain's increase reflects all the crew deads and not only his deeds, thus that's why Law and Kidd got such high Bounties. Also Drake was considerably strong even before becoming a pirate. Rear Admiral isn't a joke. Even though he didn't knew Haki to confront Kizaru, but he should have be quite strong with his swords and DF to get such a high position in Marines and of course he grew even stronger, while beeing a pirate, cause he should have fought plenty of times against Marines and it doesn't look like his crew is strong in any sense. They seemed quite average, thus I believe that he was the only strong crew member. The same goes to Hawkins. His DF is quite interesting and he should be really strong as his crew toitally doesn't give any impresion.

kkck
February 10, 2012, 11:30 AM
I think you are mixing a bunch of things there.... First of all, we never actually saw the fight between the pacifista and law's and kid's crews. We have no reason to believe they "barely" managed anything in particular.

As for the strength of their crews, we have to consider that we have seen all of the bounties of the strawhats while we only saw the supernova ones from the other crews. For all we know bepo was worth 90 mil lol. Of course, I do doubt every single member of their more numerous crews had bounties as is the case with the strawhats less numerous crews but still.

As for zoro and luffy being "obviously" stronger, I would question that a bit to say the least. We are talking about a guy who controls freaking metal (in xmen that guy is an omega level mutant or something), the guy who uses 2 weapons and turns into a dinosaur, a guy who creates a room where he has control over everything, a strawman of sorts (gotta be a strawhat's nemesis or something lol)... Even urouge exchanged a few blows with a pacifista after pulling a master roshi and to be fair apoo's attacks seem invisible or something. Granted that urouge, bonnie and capone do seem weaker than the monster trio however the rest of them seem to have some pretty hax abilities to say the least, I don't think luffy's or zoro's superiority would be obvious back in the day.

Uriel
February 10, 2012, 09:17 PM
Considering that Marines have Vegapunk I think they know the real reach of the power of the Devil Fruits they have. They must use some kind of equation between a regular base of threat base on DF (I see Zoro bounty lower than Luffy and that must mean something considering they both consider each other equals) plus actions taken.

Luffy had a lower DF base, but a high event rate. Kidd has a medium DF with a medium event rate. Caribou has a high DF base with a lower event rate.

There is also a different kind of factor which is direct threat to WG: That implies everything that directly opposes to WG and THAT's measured by power.

zerocooldx
February 12, 2012, 08:23 PM
The SN that i'm most interested in when it comes to finding out about their journey and accomplishments and etc. is Urouge. Its assumed that he may be from a Sky Island, so his story should be pretty interesting and very different from other "land-dwelling" pirates.

matzik1212
February 13, 2012, 08:22 AM
Hmm Urouge isn't so interesting IMO. And from what i saw he doesn't seem especially strong either , i think he earned his bounty the same way as Kidd , hurting civilians and things like that , plus he had the lowest bounty from all the SN so i don't expect much from him.

The one who's more interesting except Kidd and Law and i would like to know how he earned his bounty is Hawkins , i especially like his DF and beside he doesn't seem like the type to kill innocent people left and right without a reason :)

zerocooldx
February 13, 2012, 06:02 PM
Hmm Urouge isn't so interesting IMO. And from what i saw he doesn't seem especially strong either , i think he earned his bounty the same way as Kidd , hurting civilians and things like that , plus he had the lowest bounty from all the SN so i don't expect much from him.

The one who's more interesting except Kidd and Law and i would like to know how he earned his bounty is Hawkins , i especially like his DF and beside he doesn't seem like the type to kill innocent people left and right without a reason :)

Well i don't believe we know how he earned his bounty. And overall bounties just mean how much trouble one has caused for the WG and Marines. Strength doesn't really play a factor in bounties all that much, if at all really. Just because hes got the lowest bounty out of the SN's i wouldn't just shrug him off as being weak and irrelevant in relation to the rest. But we will see how the SN's develop going forward.