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riki
February 04, 2012, 09:12 AM
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March 31, 2012, 01:01 AM
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Credits: #41, MH
Source: 2ch
Verification: Confirmed

4/19のSQ.19に番外編掲載!

表紙:アレンとティムとリンクと癒闇蛇(ズゥが出した白いナマズみたいな傷直してたあれ)
「逃げる」ためではなく、「闘う」ために、「知る」ために―――…。

第213夜 A・Wをたずねて・秘める者

『三か月前――』
アポ「やってくれたね」
胸を貫くアポの腕を握って離さないリンクと、リンクの首絞めて止めさそうとしてるアポ
アポ「この行動は……」「”記憶を消されるくらいなら 自らを殺害させてでも痕跡を残そう” ということかな?」
 「実に最低なアイディアだ監察官」この状況では誰もが監察官を殺したのはアレンかノアだと思うだろう」
ジョニー、一コマ
アポ「おまえでさえも」「だがあの男は疑う……!」「全てに疑いの眼を張り巡らせるマルコム=C=ルベリエ」
リ「あなたは長官が苦手でおられるようだ… ”枢機卿”」
ズシャと腕を引き抜くアポ「まったくもって最低だ」
枢機卿の姿に戻ってくアポ
無線から『リンク監査官!!』『応答したまえ! リンク監査官!!』
枢機卿の独り言?誰かと交信中?「はい…』「わかっています お任せください」
 「我が主」「「ハート」の御方」「はい……貴方をお護りしてみせます必ず……」
無線『リンク監査官!!』
枢機卿「実に扱いづらい部下だよルベリエ」




Credits: #44, MH
Source: 2ch
Verification: Confirmed

目が覚めるたリンク、ベッドに寝てる
チュンチュン チチチチチと室内に入り込んだ鳥の鳴き声
リ「……………?」
ズゥ「熱にうなされて20日間眠り続けていたんじゃよ」
リンク、はっ。ハイバックチェアに座ったズゥに気付く
ズゥ「ちなみに今は…午前11だ」「気分はどうかな……?」
リ「ズゥ労使…!? ここは? 私は……」
ズゥ「ここは私が中央勤めだったときに住んでいた館だ……今では資料や文献を保管する為にしか使っておらんがの……」
 「あぁ着替えは脇の箪笥じゃ 勝手に着てくれるか」
リ「え? あっ はい! 恐れ入ります」
もんもんもんもんもんもんもんしながら起きるパン一リンク
リ(なぜ老師の邸宅にいるんだ!?)(……ダメだ!頭がぼーっとして働かん!!)
そして心なしか老師がガリガリのような…
ズボンをはいたところで鏡に映った自分の胸に傷跡があるのを見るリンク
ドクッ「……!? これ……」
リンクが傷跡に指を触れるとザワと癒闇蛇みたいなのが現れる
リ「!?」ズダッっと後ろに跳びすさるリンク「っは」「はあ」(幻覚!?)「なんだ今のは……っ」はぁ(確かに今……!?)
ズゥ「おまえは死の傷を受けアレン・ウォーカーの監房で事切れる寸前じゃった……」
 「マルコムに嘆願され 救うために癒闇蛇を介して私の命をおまえに分けた」
 「私にとって最期の命となった……」
リ「最 期…!?」
-癒闇蛇 人から人へととり憑き生命の理を乱す忌み忌みし魔術-
ズゥ「おまえさんにとって幸いか不運かといえば間違いなく不運だろう」
 「術者の最期の命を分けられた者は次の癒闇蛇の術者となる定めを負わねばならない」
 「つまり今や癒闇蛇は私からお前に移ったのだ」
冷や汗リンク、「ドクン」「ドクン」「ドクン」
ズゥ「今さらだが……できることならこんな術はチャン家の者に託したかった」
 「力を持てば使わずにいることはできん……」「癒闇蛇に憑かれた歴代の者共すべてロクな死に方をせんかったという……」



Credits: #45, 46, 47, MH
Source: 2ch
Verification: Confirmed

『この私自身も』
ズゥ「おまえを助けてからずっと… 一抹の疑念がこびりついて払えんのじゃ……」
『おまえは また過ちを 犯したのではないか? ズゥ・メイ・チャン』
『マルコムの計画を知り 暗い人間の未来に一筋の光がみえた気がした』
『勝利の光が』『だが……』
ズゥ「救ったつもりだったが……」
リ「……?」
ズゥ「私は……! まんまとおまえを「14番目」の「ズゥ老師」
ズゥの言葉をさえぎって入室してきたマルコム
マ「安静にされてないと お体に障りますよ」「私の庭で採れたハーブでお茶を入れました」
マルコム、ズゥを姫だっこ
「飲んで少しお休みになってください」
マルコムと視線が合ってばっと直立、敬礼するリンク
マ「回復してなによりです 癒闇蛇のことはもう聞いたかね?」
リ「はっ!!」
マ「問題は?」
リ「……… ……は」
マ「問題はあるかね?」
リ「……問題ありません!」
マ「よろしい では着衣を整えたら下りてきたまえ」

机の上に用意された旅の装備一覧
リ(…………)
マ「……ふむ ではあの夜覚醒に苦しみ出したウォーカーを迎えにノアが現れたというのですね?」
リ「は 阻止しようとしたのですが反撃され……みすみすウォーカーを奪われてしまいました」
マ「他には?」「何か」「見なかったかね……?」
リ(他に…?)「……いえ ビアだけでした」
マ「これは当座必要な装備と金子です 今後私との連絡は暗号化した書簡でこの宛名に」
リ「もう中央庁に戻るなという ことで ありますか……?」
マ「「ハワード・リンク監査官」は死亡したことになっているのです 葬儀もすでに済ませました」
 「これからは私の為だけの「鴉」として重大な任務にあたってほしいのですよリンク」
リ「私は 今も昔も長官の為だけの鴉で在るつもりです」
マ「もちろんわかっていますよ キミは本当によく仕えてくれている」
自分のクロスをはずしてリンクの首に付けるルベリエ
マ「アレン・ウォーカーはノアの手をはなれひとり箱舟で立ち去りました」
 「おそらく「14番目」への覚醒を止める方法を探しに行ったのでしょう」
 「彼は今独り……」
リ「私にウォーカーを殺せと…?」
マ「ウォーカーなどどうでもいい」
 「彼には助けが必要だ 彼……… 「14番目」には」
マ「クロス・マリアンは私と密約を交わしすべてを話しました 「14番目」はただのノアではない……
 この聖戦で綻んだ”裂け目”ですよ 我々が利用するのです この劣勢を覆し! 勝利する為に!!
 だが中央庁の中にも私以外にこの裂け目を利用しようとしている者がいます
 あれは私のものだ だからウォーカーを追い詰め教団から去らせた
 私の黒き羽…… あなたは「14番目」を何者からも守り抜きなさい
 「14番目」の協力者に成り済まし密かに奴の信頼を得て監視するのです
 何があっても離れることはなりません」

 (聖戦という大きな手に操られるだけだった我々人間が
 世界の命運をこの手で握る存在となるのです!!)



Credits: #50, MH
Source: 2ch
Verification: Confirmed
神「だんまりかよ? それとも御主人さまが喋っちゃ駄目ってか?」
リ「………キミとはもう二度と会うことはないと思っていました」
 「よくぬけぬけと戻ってこられましたね」
神「は……」「随分と元気そうじゃねぇか」
リ「キミに心配して頂けてたとは驚きです」
神「してねぇよ」
 「なんで死んだフリなんてしてる?」
リ「…逃げたのですよ」
 「監視対象の逃亡をみすみす許してしまった監査官などもはやお払い箱です」
 「私は”鴉”だ 失敗った-しくじった-者がどんな末路となるかキミなら想像できるでしょう?」
 「こんなことで私は終わりたくないはない 死んだことにされてるのは中央庁の体裁のためではないですか?」
 「今ではウォーカーと同じ………追われる身ですよ」
神「信じられねぇな」
 「おまえらは”神”のためなら何だって捧げる」「心も」「体も」「命すらな」
リンクに抜き身の六幻を突き付ける神田
神「とくにおまえは ルベリエに媚び諂う重度の病人だ」
 「おまえの任務がモヤシの暗殺なら 今ここで斬る」
 「あいつを殺すのは俺だ」
リンク、神田、睨み合い
リ「救いたい人がいる」
 「もし彼が…アレン・ウォーカーが本当に 宿主の運命から打ち勝つことができるのなら…」
 「見てみたいのです」ルベリエに貰ったクロスに触るリンク
 「人がもし心ひとつで どんな未来も選び取れるというならば」ルベリエの後ろ姿のコマ
 「それを成せる根源が何なのか」泣いてるテワクのコマ
 「私はそれが知りたい」

[/fieldset]Credits: #54
Source: 2ch, MH
Verification: Confirmed

眠るアレンの手を握って傍についてるジョニー

アレンの夢?で例の唄が流れてる
『そして坊やは眠りについた…』
赤ん坊を抱いている女性が歌ってる
『息衝く 灰の中の炎』
『ひとつ…』
『ふたつと……』
双子の赤ん坊

麦畑のなかでネアかマナどちらかの幼少期っぽい少年が、誰かに手を差し出してる
麦畑のなかにポツンと建つ大きな館

煽り:見慣れる情景……
 伸ばしたその掌は、誰がために――……

目次コメント:J:COMのCMに出てくるZAQというキャラクターが大変旨そうな大福に見えて無性に食いちぎりたくなります<星野>



Quick edit 2 already: I did slightly skim through the spoilers on 2ch, before coming here. I can give you guys a slight preview run-down:

1) Parts of this chapter takes place 3 months ago. (Yeah, another flashback!)
2) It involves in the beginning, the Apocryphos.
3) Lots of Link, Zhu, Marie, and Lenalee discussion going on here. (And the matter of "death", if I may boldly say so.)
4) The ending part of the chapter makes me go "noooo..., so short!" Ahhhhh... ;__; We finally get to see what's going on inside Allen's head! Such a tease. To be continued into the next chapter, I hope.

Quick reminder: I'm not perfect. Still learning. If there are any mistakes, let me know. ^_^ I do constantly edit what I write over periods of time.



Credits: #41, MH, and our non-chan for posting them them here.
Source: 2ch
Verification: Confirmed


Night 213 - The Search for A・W ・ To hide someone

"Three months ago -----"

Apo guy: "So you showed up, eh?"

Link was trying to grab firmly onto the Apo guy's arm in order to separate it, but failed by going through the Apo guy's chest. The Apo guy attempts to perform a finishing blow, on Link, by strangling him.

Apo guy: "This action is...."
"Speaking of which, I wonder... "if the memory is erased, that makes oneself a murderer even if there are traces left behind?'"
"Well then, in this kind of situation, 'it's indeed the worst kind of idea, Inspector', thus, I believe it's Allen or the Noah---everyone killed the Inspector."

We see a brief shot of Johnny.

Apo guy: "If only you..."
"However, that man is suspicious......!"
"Malcolm C. Rouvelier's doubtful eyes surrounds everything."

Link: "You're humble in being poor towards the Secretary...., 'Cardinal.'"
Zhu, holding out his arm: "As a matter of fact, the worst."

Apo guy changes back into his Cardinal form.

From a radio: "Inspector Link!!"
"Please respond, Inspector Link!!"

The Cardinal is speaking to himself? Communicating with someone?
Cardinal (Apo): "Yes..."
"I understand. Please leave it to me."
"My Lord."
"The 'Heart' of allies."
"Right... You're always showing your protection....."

Radio: "Inspector Link!!"

Cardinal: "The subordinate, Rouvelier, is really hard to deal with."

*** Translation in progress as of right now. Many apologies for the small name boo boo. >.< ***




Saturday, March 31 - 6:39 PM EST US time - I'm back! I have some time. I'm actually going to be multi-tasking between here, studying for a quiz and researching for a paper.



I've never posted spoilers before so I don't know if I did it right...

tgirl
March 31, 2012, 01:27 AM
You did it right. Don't worry. (You could even combine the spoilers together into one field box, but that's alright as well.) ^__^ I think the verification seems a bit clear on this, to me at least, but you can leave it as "pending" if you want.

Let's see what I can read... I will only be able to work on the beginning part as it's late over here. (These spoilers always come out when it's late in my timezone! >__< Can't be helped...)

*stay turned as I edit this post*

Quick edit 2 already: I did slightly skim through the spoilers on 2ch, before coming here. I can give you guys a slight preview run-down:

1) Parts of this chapter takes place 3 months ago. (Yeah, another flashback!)
2) It involves in the beginning, the Apocryphos.
3) Lots of Link, Zhu, and Malcolm discussion going on here. (And the matter of "death", if I may boldly say so.)
4) The ending part of the chapter makes me go "noooo..., so short!" Ahhhhh... ;__; We finally get to see what's going on inside Allen's head! Such a tease. To be continued into the next chapter, I hope.

Quick reminder: I'm not perfect. Still learning. If there are any mistakes, let me know. ^_^ I do constantly edit what I write over periods of time. Most importantly, I will spot mistakes of my own if I do see them so it's best not to make instant assumptions that what I have here is the final piece! >__<;;



Credits: #41, MH, and our non-chan for posting them them here.
Source: 2ch
Verification: Confirmed

~ Page 1 - cover page --

Night 213 - The search for A・W ・ To hide someone

~ Page 2

"Three months ago -----"

Apo guy: "So you showed up, eh?"

Link was trying to grab firmly onto the Apo guy's arm in order to separate it, but failed as the Apo guy's hand goes through his chest. The Apo guy attempts to perform a finishing blow, on Link, by strangling him.

~ Page 3

Apo guy: "This action is...."
"Speaking of which, I wonder... 'if the memory is erased, that makes oneself a murderer even if there are traces left behind?'"

SFX of Link grabbing onto the Apo's arm: GUgu
SFX of Link coughing blood out: Gopu

~ Page 4

"Well then, in this kind of situation, 'it's indeed the worst kind of idea, Inspector', thus, I believe it's Allen or the Noah---everyone killed the Inspector."

We see a brief shot of Johnny.

Apo guy: "If only you..."
"However, that man is suspicious......!"
"Malcolm C. Rouvelier's doubtful eyes surrounds everything!!"

~ Page 5

Link: "You're humble in being poor towards the Secretary...., 'Cardinal.'"

Apo guy: "As a matter of fact, the worst."

Apo guy changes back into his Cardinal form.

~ Page 6

From a radio: "Inspector Link!!"
"Please respond, Inspector Link!!"

The Cardinal is speaking to himself? Communicating with someone?
Cardinal (Apo): "Yes..."
"I understand. Please leave it to me."
"My Lord."
"The 'heart' of allies."
"Right... You're always showing your protection....."

Radio: "Inspector Link!!"

Cardinal: "The subordinate, Rouvelier, is really hard to deal with."
SFX

~ Page 7

We see Link lying in a bed and waking up.

~ Page 8

SFX of a bird's chirping sound coming into the room: CHI CHI CHI CHI CHI CHUNCHUN (or "cheep cheep")

Link: ".........?"

Zhu: "You kept on sleeping for 20 days having a nightmare (brother in rage!"

Link's SFX: "Ha..." He realizes that Zhu is sitting on a high-back chair.

Zhu: "By the way, right now it's....half past 11."

~ Page 9

Zhu: "I wonder what this feeling is.......?"

Link: "Zhu, labor and management....!?"
"Here is...?"
"I...."

Zhu: "This house is where I live sometimes, which serves as a business center..... Nowadays, I use it for the sake of safekeeping books and documents...."
"Your change of clothes are in that nearby dresser. You may wear anything that you like."

Link: "Eh? Ah.... Right! Thank you very much."

~ Page 10

Link is putting a hand to his head with worry.
Worry SFX: MONMONMONMONMONMONMONMON

Link's thoughts: (I'm in the teacher's residence!?)
(.......It's no good! My mind is drawing a blank!!)
And somehow, the teacher appears to look gauntly*.

Link sees a scar on his chest when looking at himself in the mirror, while putting on trousers.
SFX: DOKU (sounds close to a heartbeat)
Link: ".....!? This......"

~ Page 11

Link touches the scar with his finger and the "dark healing snake" appears.
SFX: ZAWA
Link: "!?"

~ Page 12

Link says: "..Ha."
"Haaa..."
Link's thought: (An illusion!?)
"What is it now.....?"
"Haa..."
Link's thought: (Now certainly.....!?)

Zhu from behind: "You were on the verge of death in Allen Walker's cell, as you received the scar of death."

~ Page 13

"Malcolm made a request. I had to divide up my life force to you, in order to use the dark healing snake to save your life."
"It became my final life span...."

Link: "Final...life span...!?"
- The dark healing snake - A forbidden black magic technique that disturbs the principle of a possessed life that it takes when it's person to person. -

Zhu: "I believe fate is unable to fail when speaking of misfortune (/unhappiness) or fortune (/happiness) for yourself."

~ Page 14

"A practitioner, who's able to divide the life of someone's final life span will be carrying the fate of being the practitioner of the next dark healing snake."
"In other words, now, the dark healing snake is going to be transferred from me to you."

Link, with a cold sweat [on his face?] SFX: "Dokun" "Dokun" "Dokun" (Ba-bump Ba-bump Ba-bump)

Zhu: "Now, after all this time...., a technique like this has to be ready, as it's been entrusted among the Chang family members."
"It can't be used without possessing its power......"
"It's to be said that the method doesn't have a satisfying death overall, since your successive generations have been possessed by the dark healing snake......"

~ Page 15

Zhu's thoughts - ??: "This is myself."

Zhu: "Since helping you, for a long time now.... Well, a tinge of sticking suspicions can't be brushed off [so easily]...."

??: "Once again, have you committed an error? Zhu Mei Chang."
??: "I understand Malcolm's plan. I felt a single beam of light is going to arrive in the future of sorrowful humans."
??: The light of victory."
??: "However....."

Zhu: "The rescue plan was....."

Link: "......?"

Zhu: "I.......! 'Teacher Zhu' of the '14th', you successfully...." **
Zhu's words are interrupted by Malcolm entering the room.

Malcolm: "It's bad for your health if you don't rest."

~ Page 16??? Did the Chinese scanlator miss a page?

"I put herbs, collected from the garden, in the tea."
Malcolm carries Zhu like a princess. ***
"Please drink it in small quantity as you rest."

Link salutes as he stands up-right in order for his gaze to meet with Malcolm's [eyes].

Malcolm: "It's important for you to recover. So, you heard about the dark healing snake already?"
Link: "Ah..!!"
Malcolm: "Any problems?"

~ Page 17

Link: "........... .....Ah."
Malcolm: Is there a problem?"
Link: "......There aren't any problems!"
Malcolm: "Very well. Then, before coming, please prepare some clothing."

~ Page 18

We see prepared traveling equipment sitting on top of a desk.
Link's thoughts: (..........)
Malcolm: "......It's been said that on the night the Noah appeared to welcome Walker, he appeared to be suffering while undergoing the awakening process, right?"

Link: "I was counterattacked even though prevention was used..... Before my eyes, Walker was snatched away."

~ Page 19

Malcolm: "And then?"
"What?"
"What else did you see.....?"

Link's thoughts: (And then....?)
".......Nothing. It was only beer." ****

Malcolm: "For now, this is the necessary money and equipment. From this point onward, you must contact me with a password protected letter to this address."

~ Page 20

Link: "Are you saying that I must not go back to Central? With these things.....?"

Malcolm: "'Inspector Howard Link' is expected to be dead. He's already finished off with a funeral service."
"After this, I want you, Link, to be affixed in this important mission as 'Crow's' objective for me."

Link: "I....intend to follow under Crow's objective of the former Secretary, also."

Malcolm: "Of course, I understand. You really serve well."

Rouvelier removes a cross necklace from himself...

~ Page 21

......and puts it around Link's neck.

Malcolm: "Allen Walker has left the Ark alone distancing himself from the Noahs' hands."
"Perhaps, he went in search of a method that will stop the '14th' from waking up."
"He's now alone...."

Link: "It's killing Walker to me.....?"

Malcolm: "Don't worry about Walker."
"He needs help......, regarding the '14th'."

~ Page 22

Malcolm: "I've spoke through a secret exchange agreement with Cross Marian. The '14th' is not an ordinary Noah.... He's a 'crack' in the beginning of this Holy War! We can use this to overturn this unfavorable situation! For the sake of victory!! However, also inside Central, with the exception of myself, there are those who will want to use this crack. He's mine. So, Walker left the Order that's chasing him. My black wings..... You must also protect the '14th' from someone to the very end. You are to pose as a '14th' cooperator, acquire trust and secretly observe this person. Whatever happens, you must not separate."

~ Page 23

Zoom back to present time --->

Rest of Malcolm's speech: (We humans were holding faith in big hands known as the Holy War, and became an existence that clutched the fate of the world in these hands!!)

Kanda: "Is that it!? Or is it that your Chief has become useless in talking?"

~ Page 24

Link: "........ I never thought that he would meet with you again."
"You went back brazenly well."

Kanda: "Ha...."
"I see you're looking extremely healthy."

Link: "I'm surprised to receive such concern from you."

Kanda: "The HECK I was!"
"Why are you playing dead?"

~ Page 25

Link: "....I'm running away!"
"The government inspection, who permits me to observe the runaway subject, has been fired."
"I am a Crow. Can you imagine the final end days and what becomes of a person, who failed?"
"I don't want the end to be like this is nothing. Is it not because of Central's appearance that I have to fake my death?"
"Now, it's the same with Walker........ His body is being chased!"

~ Page 26

Kanda: "I don't believe you."
"You'd sacrifice anything if it's for the sake of 'God'."
"Also the heart...,."
"...the body..,"
"...and the life."

Kanda thrusts Mugen at Link.

Kanda: "Especially you, a sick severe Rouvelier fawner."

~ Page 27

"If your mission is to assassinate Bean Sprout... To kill him here right now..."
"It's me who will kill that guy."

Link and Kanda glare at each other.

~ Page 28

Link: "There are people who want to help him."
"Supposing that.....Allen Walker really overcomes his fate as a host....."
"I want to see it [happen]."
Link touches the cross that was given to him by Rouvelier.
"If a person, from his heart, can also say what kind of future he wants to pick..."
Rouvelier's back appears in a frame.
"This is the origin that can be accomplished."
Tevak is seen crying in a frame.

~ Page 29

Link: "I want to know this."

Johnny is clutching a sleeping Allen's hand.

~ Page 30

Allen's dream? A song comes out in the usual way.

??: "As the boy falls asleep..."
A woman is singing as she is holding a baby.
"The flame inside the breathing ashes."
"One by one"
"Two by two"
Twin babies.

~ Pages 31 and 32

We see the early childhood time of a young boy. It's either Nea or Mana who's in the middle of a wheat field (or valley?) and someone's hand is being held out. Also, in the middle of the field is a big house.

SFX of the area: POTSUN (- silence or alone)

A gust of wind: We're seeing a scene all too familiar with.....
That palm of one's hand is reaching out, but for whom...........?

End of chapter~
TBC....

*ignores Hoshino's comment line here*






Tuesday 11:25 AM: Added the page numbers, although, I think we're still missing something. Special thanks to verduister for correcting me. I just adapted a bit with Kanda's line.

I want to proofread further in this, but I don't have time right now. >__< Be back later!


Permanent T/N section:

*gauntly - this is for non-native English speakers not familiar with the term. This word basically means "skin and bones". I just chose that as a shorter way to describe his appearance.
** It would help to see the scans for this scene, because this is just worded/quoted weirdly.
*** I'm not kidding. The 2ch spoiler person used the "hime" honorific on Zhu. o____o Princess Zhu!! Instead of calling him that though, I just used...well, that!! ;__: Poor Zhu.
**** Beer? This response makes no sense, Inspector Link!! *roars* *prays this is a 2ch typo with katakana...*

Mango-chan
March 31, 2012, 01:35 AM
Thank you so much Non-Chan and Tgirl! :D

Not really positive but I think I see that music score lullaby making a reappearance.

ying_su
March 31, 2012, 02:48 AM
Thanks a lot Non-Chan and Tgirl!

xDDDDDD This is so exciting!! :D

relory
March 31, 2012, 02:49 AM
Omfg, return of the 14th's song! :zomg And such a tease! Seems to be a small childhood-flashback, confirming that Nea and Mana are twins :zomg I assume it's their mother who is singing the song? :3 ... so the 14th's mom has the same voice as Allen.. interesting (jk)

Another interesting chapter! I want to understand clearly what they're saying, especially between Malcolm and Link and the Kanda part >.< But I'm so relieved and happy it really WAS Link who stalked Allen :D

Thank you so much for the spoilers! :dance

fuff
March 31, 2012, 03:40 AM
looks like a lame chapter...gonna be a big disappointment :(..had to wait 2 months and so far it doesnt seem that great

unknownymous
March 31, 2012, 05:57 AM
The chapter hasn't even begun for us, but for what its worth, and as hinted in the end of the chapter (as far as google translate goes), the 14th's song is starting to happen.

Then the boy fell asleep
and one or two ambers in the fading ashes of the fire
flared up in the shape of a beloved face
Lyrics were from http://rananieida.deviantart.com/journal/The-14th-s-Song-lyrics-218607504 because I was too lazy to write them down myself. Apologies.

Allen does fall asleep. And whose beloved face did we see in the last chapter other than Mana's? I'm wondering how the story will interpret the rest of the song, seeing as its sort of being put to play. Early prediction of sorts, sorry. Lol.

As for chapter, the google translate is making things more confusing. Though the talk might hint on something bigger than what we can get by through the auto translate. It means more info on the 14th, even if its only by hints. I think it'll be interesting anyway.

And I'm still hoping to see Allens face, never mind if he's only sleeping. Lol.

Niko_kun
March 31, 2012, 06:15 AM
why hoshino always ends every chapter even more interesting than the other? really anxious for this chapter!!!!

Bloody Queen
March 31, 2012, 06:28 AM
But isn't the order messed up? Allen saw Mana's face before he fell asleep.


and one or two ambers...

Ambers? As in "Noah's eyes"? Could it be Road or someone else? :headscratch

unknownymous
March 31, 2012, 06:42 AM
But isn't the order messed up? Allen saw Mana's face before he fell asleep.

Ambers? As in "Noah's eyes"? Could it be Road or someone else? :headscratch

Well I can't argue about the order, that's for sure. And I can't defend anything concerning the eyes either, specially since I don't know the color of Mana's eyes.

I guess we'll just have to see how Hoshino twists and turns things into place. Nothing's for sure until it happens, and for all we know, our guesses may be way off. Most of mine sure are. :teehee

non-chan
March 31, 2012, 06:46 AM
Thank you Tgirl for the translation ^^
^Mana's eyes are golden, accroding to the Reverse Novel
I'm now interested in who was singing the 14th's song at the end. Google translate said that is a woman but for a long time I haven't considered Google translate my friend.

unknownymous
March 31, 2012, 06:55 AM
Mana's eyes are golden, accroding to the Reverse Novel
I'm now interested in who was singing the 14th's song at the end

Thanks for the info! :super And I am as well.

Looks to me like this arc will will be clearing (hopefully) a lot of mysteries. I'm wondering how far Hoshino has drafted out the plot for DGM. I really didn't expect the song to pop up at all. But for it to come out does make sense. Reading the lyrics just like that is misleading, though the words themselves should have everything we need to know. It doesn't look like a spur of the moment thing to add to the story, looking at the progress right now. It just seems right.

Bloody Queen
March 31, 2012, 07:06 AM
The 14th's song could be misleaded. Hoshino said in the fanbook that she called her editor; "Please make two songs in three days." So, since it was such a short time, perhaps she made mistakes here and there. We can't really relay on the song too much.

And yes, according to "Lost Fragment of Snow" in the Reverse 3 novel, Mana's eyes are golden – just like the Noah's (yes, I'm a heavy Earl/Mana supporter :hee)

Well, considering Hoshino and her twisted wonderland of plots, we have a chance of 5% to guess the right thing... D: But that's what make me fall in love with this manga! Though the amount of plot twists burned my brain cells...

--- Edit: Wait; a woman sings the 14th's song? So far, only Earl, Allen, Nea, and Road know the song. A woman... Could it be... Road's real form?! :zomg

unknownymous
March 31, 2012, 07:15 AM
The 14th's song could be misleaded. Hoshino said in the fanbook that she called her editor; "Please make two songs in three days." So, since it was such a short time, perhaps she made mistakes here and there. We can't really relay on the song too much.

And yes, according to "Lost Fragment of Snow" in the Reverse 3 novel, Mana's eyes are golden – just like the Noah's (yes, I'm a heavy Earl/Mana supporter :hee)

Well, considering Hoshino and her twisted wonderland of plots, we have a chance of 5% to guess the right thing... D: But that's what make me fall in love with this manga! Though the amount of plot twists burned my brain cells...

Your point taken. And that does make sense too.

So know I'll stop with my guesses here before my brain starts to malfunction.

I still love DGM anyway. And Hoshino too, because she never seems to stop surprising me. Looks like I'll also have to brush up on my DGM facts. Didn't know about that two songs in three days thing. Thanks for the info.:super

non-chan
March 31, 2012, 08:21 AM
But hadn't Hoshino finished the song before making that phone call just because she wasn't sure if it got right?

NAM61
March 31, 2012, 08:28 AM
thanks for the spoilers so there is a flashback in the chapter and link is the one following allen.

relory
March 31, 2012, 08:36 AM
Here's the relevant parts of that interview people are talking about :hip :

The collaboration between Hoshino-sensei and N-shi?
The Musician’s song in the Ark

Hoshino: Because of the plot, a song must appear, but I had no idea how to start at all.
Then I thought “That editor must be smarter right?” And I was severely reprimanded
by Y-shi (laugh)

Hoshino: I thought that since N-shi graduated from university, he would have better
experience in terms of the language structure as well as the dynamics, so I threw it to
him to try and even said “Please compose two songs within three days.” (laugh)

Hoshino: “Please think of a way.” And I hung up the phone.

N-shi: I only wrote one song in the end and passed it to her. But when I saw the
completed manuscript, the lyrics inside were totally different. I had a “What the heck!
What’s going on?” that sort of feeling.

Hoshino: Actually, it was because the lyrics I thought of were really bad at first, so I
looked at N-shi’s song with no expectations. His song totally exceeded my expectations.
As a result, the concept I was thinking of started to materialize, and I could see the
direction that the song can take. So I wanted to treat this work as the result of the
collaboration between us (laugh) and started writing N-shi’s song in the lines and the
rest of the lyrics came naturally.

So.. Everyone's right, in a way? She had thoughts about the contents in the song, but the actual lyrics were made in a short amount of time, it seems xD

Bloody Queen
March 31, 2012, 08:49 AM
But hadn't Hoshino finished the song before making that phone call just because she wasn't sure if it got right?


Just to be sure (this is getting off topic, isn't it?) I google it and re-read the Collaboration for the Musician's Song:

Credit goes to the repected translator. Full version: http://mittens-220.livejournal.com/

The collaboration between Hoshino-sensei and N-shi?
The Musician’s song in the Ark

N-shi: I was shocked when it came to Allen’s Musician song. Hoshino-sensei told me “Help me with the Musician’s song”, “What?!” (laugh)

Hoshino: Because of the plot, a song must appear, but I had no idea how to start at all. Then I thought “That editor must be smarter right?” And I was severely reprimanded by Y-shi (laugh)

N-shi: I was tested (laugh)

Hoshino: I thought that since N-shi graduated from university, he would have better experience in terms of the language structure as well as the dynamics, so I threw it to him to try and even said “Please compose two songs within three days.” (laugh)

N-shi: And then I said, “I can’t do something like that…”

Hoshino: “Please think of a way.” And I hung up the phone.

N-shi: Exactly. “Hanging up the phone at this sort of time”, she actually used that method to deal with me!

Yea... I feel bad for the editor :P

Anyway... the spoilers scripts are still 'pending', right? I'm not really a fan of flashback... though I'm happy if we can catch a glimpse of Allen's face, even if he's unconcious. Me and my weird fetish for suffering cute boys...

LOL, relory was faster than me :teehee

riki
March 31, 2012, 09:35 AM
Let's go back on topic please. If you like to discuss about the Musician's Song, please go HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/30857-Musician-s-Song). Thanks!

Anyway, I'm confirming the spoilers as true since it's most likely 妹 ◆lOoG5hDLWs, but she logged off (probably so that she won't get caught if she get in trouble) and the other 2chers are confirming them.

So it's mostly a flashback chapter? Oh well, at least we knows what happen to Link after the incident. Though the ending is more intriguing to be honest. ^^

Teeba
March 31, 2012, 11:59 AM
Lenalee is in this chapter! :wtf

I mean, uh, I'm glad Hoshino is going back to the origin of the Apocryptos and giving us an insight of what happened to Link. It sounds like another short chapter, but if there's Lenalee then I'm happy. =D I'm also excited about seeing Lvellie because he's so darn ambiguous! I hope the conversation takes up most of the chapter. No offence to Allen and Kanda, of course. >_>

Namiz
March 31, 2012, 12:09 PM
It's been a while that DGM spoiler makes me feel anxious. All the stuff that been happening the past few months are all over the place, now I'm glad that the pace, at least for this chapter, is settle down a bit and give us explanation what is going on.

Also, Like Teeba said: LENALEE IS IN THIS CHAPTER! This alone is enough to make me happy.

tgirl
March 31, 2012, 08:20 PM
If you've been checking back on the first page, I'm currently working on the translations.

Quick note to everyone, I think I messed up on one particular name in the spoilers. Both Link and Lenalee share the same first katakana in their names. I've been mistaking Link as Lenalee. It's a bit tricky because the 2ch spoiler source people never put down the characters' full names after mentioning them. So, I quickly got rid of Lenalee's names in the translation (and the run-down version as well). The fact that the spoiler person never mentioned Lenalee's name in its entirety, throughout the script, set off a red flag to me.

So many apologies for this! It's a good thing I caught this early before going further with the translating. >_< For those posting these in your respective language DGM forums, it would be great if you edit the changes in your posts. Thank you!! ^_^




Also, Like Teeba said: LENALEE IS IN THIS CHAPTER! This alone is enough to make me happy.

>__< And I'm so sorry! I'm not sure how to make it up to you... ;__; Except to hope she shows up in a future arc after we see more of Allen's head.

ketorin
March 31, 2012, 09:00 PM
Darn, I was hoping for Lenalee as well, oh well ><

oh btw Claymore is out on dm5 so hopefully DGM isn't too far behind! ^_^

Namiz
March 31, 2012, 09:59 PM
@tgirl - Nah it's alright XD I guess the chapter better do a good job making me like it without Lenalee then :lmao

tgirl
March 31, 2012, 10:28 PM
^ *sighs of relief*

In that case, I just want to say that I fixed another error in the name run-down thing. (Sorry again.) No Marie in this chapter. The "Ma" is actually for our Hitler man, Malcolm! >__< I really did jump the shark on this without thoroughly checking. Now that I am looking at each spoiler group separately, things are becoming clearer.

At this point of this post, I'm almost done with the second group of spoilers. Now we know how Zhu (or Zu) specifically saved Link's life. (This is sad....)

kayceesobsession
April 01, 2012, 01:23 AM
I hate to be that chick, buuuttt...FLASHBACK?! REALLY?! AFTER A MONTH OF ANTICIPATION?! & no Lavi either D: I seriously think Hoshino just forgot how to draw him.

tgirl
April 01, 2012, 01:27 AM
^ In your case, I'll assure you that the flashback doesn't last too long. We do get back to the present time right before the Allen scene. Link does need to explain his story as to how he got to this point in time to Kanda and Johnny. ^___0

(And poor Lavi will have to wait another day for his story to be told... Which might be another flashback if we find out what happened to him 3 months ago....)

Zibi234
April 01, 2012, 03:18 AM
I hate to be that chick, buuuttt...FLASHBACK?! REALLY?! AFTER A MONTH OF ANTICIPATION?! & no Lavi either D: I seriously think Hoshino just forgot how to draw him.

No becouse Lavi is not important in current development... he is still a noah prisoner and that did not change.. he needs to be rescued by a noah like Road or Tyki (who might change sides to allens) or make his innocence change it into crystal type and somehow make him free but mostly they secured his innocence or destroyed it only to make the innocence powder change into liquid form and like lenalee make him drink it....

but still he has fidlers parasites inside him so he cant do anything... the same goes for chouji who is not aware of them inside his body (used as a spy for noah) so mostly Allen will be there to find those with his eye and do something about it

right now Hoshino has to set up the ground for development... current one is surrounding 14th and why he is so important to all sides... the same ground for allen... he needs to learn about 14th in order to know what to do.... next might be lavi rescue... like allen ends up beign captured and on noah ark and there he might get help from road and tyki -> go find lavi -> escape maybe to order only to find chouji and his parasites inside him -> set up the sides (who will follow who ^^)

still current chap we might learn more about Malcolm plan and why 14th is so important to him... and why is he even hidding from the cardinals the fact that he helps the 14th (the devil as they called allen)

fuff
April 01, 2012, 04:20 AM
OMG!!!! THE CHaPTER IS OUT!!!!!


APRIL FOOLS!!!
http://www.zwani.com/graphics/april_fools_day/images/1aprilfools15.gif

relory
April 01, 2012, 04:30 AM
^

(ಥೆ∀ಥೆ) OMFG YESSSSS!!

......

ಠ_ಠ

ಥೆ__ಥೆ

WHYYY!!! (ノಥ Дಥ)ノ彡┻━┻

Bloody Queen
April 01, 2012, 04:56 AM
*rush to the computer and check every manga sites known*
...
...
:gwah

*goes back reader the spoiler thread*
...
...

"Nya?"

I think I got a heart attack :chair

non-chan
April 01, 2012, 05:44 AM
In the early morning I got an April Fools's new DGM anime announcement...
And now this...
I think part of me just died :gwah

verduister
April 01, 2012, 06:24 AM
Nice one, fuff. I almost fell for it ;)


マ「クロス・マリアンは私と密約を交わしすべてを話しました 「14番目」はただのノアではない……
 この聖戦で綻んだ”裂け目”ですよ 我々が利用するのです この劣勢を覆し! 勝利する為に!!
 だが中央庁の中にも私以外にこの裂け目を利用しようとしている者がいます
 あれは私のものだ だからウォーカーを追い詰め教団から去らせた
 私の黒き羽…… あなたは「14番目」を何者からも守り抜きなさい
 「14番目」の協力者に成り済まし密かに奴の信頼を得て監視するのです
 何があっても離れることはなりません」

Apparently Cross told Lvellie that The 14th isn't a normal Noah. The 14th is some kind of "rift" (or "tear") opened by the Holy War. (Kinda vague.) Lvellie thinks they can use The 14th to turn the tables and win. He says: "Other people at the Central Agency also want to use this "rift". But it's mine". He asks Link to protect The 14th, and to gain The 14th's trust and monitor him.

sparviero-92
April 02, 2012, 03:13 AM
Credits: #50 (乙?)
Source: 2ch
Verification: Confirmed
神「だんまりかよ? それとも御主人さまが喋っちゃ駄目ってか?」
リ「………キミとはもう二度と会うことはないと思っていました」
 「よくぬけぬけと戻ってこられましたね」
神「は……」「随分と元気そうじゃねぇか」
リ「キミに心配して頂けてたとは驚きです」
神「してねぇよ」
 「なんで死んだフリなんてしてる?」
リ「…逃げたのですよ」
 「監視対象の逃亡をみすみす許してしまった監査官などもはやお払い箱です」
 「私は”鴉”だ 失敗った-しくじった-者がどんな末路となるかキミなら想像できるでしょう?」
 「こんなことで私は終わりたくないはない 死んだことにされてるのは中央庁の体裁のためではないですか?」
 「今ではウォーカーと同じ………追われる身ですよ」
神「信じられねぇな」
 「おまえらは”神”のためなら何だって捧げる」「心も」「体も」「命すらな」
リンクに抜き身の六幻を突き付ける神田
神「とくにおまえは ルベリエに媚び諂う重度の病人だ」
 「おまえの任務がモヤシの暗殺なら 今ここで斬る」
 「あいつを殺すのは俺だ」
リンク、神田、睨み合い
リ「救いたい人がいる」
 「もし彼が…アレン・ウォーカーが本当に 宿主の運命から打ち勝つことができるのなら…」
 「見てみたいのです」ルベリエに貰ったクロスに触るリンク
 「人がもし心ひとつで どんな未来も選び取れるというならば」ルベリエの後ろ姿のコマ
 「それを成せる根源が何なのか」泣いてるテワクのコマ
 「私はそれが知りたい」


A summarized translation:



[Insert exchange of pleasantries between Kanda and Link here]
Link ran away from the order because of the grim fate that awaits Crows who fail missions.
Kanda doesn't believe him and says "You lot would've sacrificed anything, "heart", "body" and "lives" for your god's sake!" then draws mugen and points it at Link.
K: "If your mission is to assassinate Beansprout I'll kill you right now"
K:"I will be the one to kill him"
Link and Kanda glare at each other.
L:"there is a person I want to save"
"if he.... If Allen Walker can really defeat the fate of becoming an host then..."
(between parenthesis is probably a flashback or Link talking and in the background a flashback) ("I want to give it a try"
Link touches a cross he got from Leverrier.
Leverrier's silhouette "If people can choose their future with their (only?) heart.."
Tevak, crying:"What is the reason you say this? I want to know!"



Another (the last) part:


Credits: #50 (乙?)
Source: 2ch
Verification: Confirmed
眠るアレンの手を握って傍についてるジョニー

アレンの夢?で例の唄が流れてる
『そして坊やは眠りについた…』
赤ん坊を抱いている女性が歌ってる
『息衝く 灰の中の炎』
『ひとつ…』
『ふたつと……』
双子の赤ん坊

麦畑のなかでネアかマナどちらかの幼少期っぽい少年が、誰かに手を差し出してる
麦畑のなかにポツンと建つ大きな館

煽り:見慣れる情景……
 伸ばしたその掌は、誰がために――……






Allen is sleeping, Jhonny is holding his hand.

In Allen's dream (?) the usual song:

"Then the boy fell asleep..."
A woman holding a baby is singing this.
"Flames alive in the ashes of the fire"
"One.."
"then two ..."
Twin babies.

In a corn field a young child, it's either Mana or Nea, we can't tell, is holding his hand out to someone.
In the middle of the corn field stands a big mansion.

Narrator text: A familiar scene...
To whom is that hand outstretched?

tgirl
April 02, 2012, 05:05 AM
I'm done with my full script translation (back on page one). >__< I'll proof-read it the next time I come back here. Must go!!

Lomahongva
April 02, 2012, 05:18 AM
Thank you all for posting all the spoilers and translations!!!

OMG, the chapter seems to be quite good (although I share with some of you that it looks a bit short but it doesn't matter!!!). I'm pretty sure I'll cry while reading, not only for seeing Link recovered before the incident with Apo, but also for Zhu TT.TT
Then, the fact that Leverrier asked Link to approach the 14th and what Link tells Kanda makes me wondering a lot of things. I think that Link appreciates Allen, almost like a frind even if he doesn't show it very openly, and now he has to accomplish Levellier request but at the same time I really thinks that he wants sincerely help him... So, he must be divided between these two "loyalties". Also that flashback from Link is intriguing (Tevak and Lvellier :blink).
And the dream seems to be Neah's memories, so I'm intrigued by that woman. Yes, unknownimous, misteries are going to be solved (or messed up more, we know Hoshino).:hee

BTW, Kanda!Link's dialoge seems pretty yaoi. Be careful Allen, they're going to fight for you!!!:teehee

Bloody Queen
April 02, 2012, 05:44 AM
Twins? Twins?! :blink *explode*

Excuse me while I'm piecing my brain together...

Thank you everyone for posting and translating the spoilers! :super Although I'm not a fan of flashback, this chapter seems interesting. Looks like about... 30-35 pages or so... I hope. Gah! Hoshino! Why you always do cliffhangers for the ending?! :arf And I'm suppose to wait for a month for the next chapter?! *implode*

A woman... if it's a flash from Nea's memories, then the bundle is not Nea, right? Because he has to be somewhere else to see it from his view... Well, let's decide that when the chapter is out so we can see the respective angle clearly.

So, it's confirmed that it's Link, and the necklace has been explained... Where's the Cardinal? I was hoping to see more Tyki and Wisely, and possibly Lavi... Link used to be like a puppet for the Central, them he started to become more friendlier... But the Link in this chapter gives me the impression that he returns to the 'doll like' persona... Oh, well... If I keep thinking about it, my brain will rot soon.

I'm going to wait as patiently as I can for the scanlation... *hibernate*

georisell
April 02, 2012, 10:15 AM
I'm hoping that woman holding the baby is Allen's mother o-o I've been dying to learn more about his parents. Or maybe if it's from Neah's memory, then maybe he had a lover? If he and Road had a thing, which has been pushed quite a bit, then maybe they had a child together? Maybe that's who the song is about... Maybe she's the woman?

This chapter looks to be very promising! More than I thought originally at least

verduister
April 02, 2012, 12:50 PM
リ「キミに心配して頂けてたとは驚きです」
Link: "I'm surprised to receive concern from you."

神「してねぇよ」
Kanda: "Hey, I did it!" *****

***** This sentence may change once I look at Kanda's face. =_=;

If I can make a little correction:

してねぇ is a colloquial and manly way of saying していない (from the verb "suru").

So it means something like this:

Link: "You were worried about me? What a surprise."
Kanda: "The hell I was."


edit: It's the same here: 神「信じられねぇな」. You should read it as: "信じられない".

Kanda: "I don't believe you."

relory
April 02, 2012, 01:36 PM
THE CHAPTER IS OUT IN CHINESE. (http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1490484305)

*skimming through*

Link is smiling, Allen is cosplaying Lag from Letter Bee, and Nea(or Mana) in the last page is the cutest thing EVER. My life is complete. :derp

Asclepius
April 02, 2012, 01:43 PM
This color page is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than the volume cover. :allen
My purple is back there where it should stay.
I loved it.
:luv

earthforge
April 02, 2012, 01:57 PM
Two words: shirtless Link. My life is complete now.

Wow. I can't believe I'm saying this about a DGM chapter, but I actually really loved this one. I liked the dark tones, I like the reintroduction of cliches that I like, and... well, Link! He's adorable!

The shades are nice too. It looks like Hosino might be recovering her drawing skills (I still see disproportionate eyes and face lines that annoy me, but overall it is much improved.)

As for the two babies: Mana and Nea. That has to be them. As for the 14th being a "rip" in the fabric of Noah's memory, perhaps the 14th is all that the Earl cast out within himself and that is why Mana/Earl and Nea/14th were born that way.

Darjaille
April 02, 2012, 02:14 PM
My first thought: Shirtless Link!!! XDDDD

Seems to be a nice chapter. Nothing can be done wrong by giving us a Link spotlight~

Also, I know that probably the twins are Mana and Nea, but idk, is there a possibility that it's Earl/Mana or Earl/Nea?

The color is adorable and it's 30+ pages again. The last pages with Allen's dream are such a tease. I want the next chapter nao T_T

verduister
April 02, 2012, 02:31 PM
I never thought I'd say this but Link looks really cute in this chapter <3 I never realized just how long his hair is.

And Lvellie looks creepy as usual :oh

Lovely chapter~

sparviero-92
April 02, 2012, 02:43 PM
Lag Seeing. What is he doing on Dgray color page?! If this is not some kind of deliberate reference... what if she has to go on another hiatus for legal problems :gwah

Jaymie
April 02, 2012, 02:44 PM
Amazing chapter. I don't know what I liked the best, the *OMG THIS IS ACTUALLY RELEVANT TO THE MAIN PLOTLINE* flashback, Link in general (he's gotten a lot prettier since Volume 14), or Nea's memories at the end.

The art is God-tier in Hoshino standards. The character models are consistent and look really mature (like they came out of a seinen manga). The backgrounds and environments are clear and stunning to look at. The mansion Link was hidden inside was great, but the last two-page spread made my eyes explode.

The chapter had a lot of substance for the page count. Flashbacks usually bother me, but if we're finally getting to see Nea's memories, I don't mind.


Lag Seeing. What is he doing on Dgray color page?! If this is not some kind of deliberate reference... what if she has to go on another hiatus for legal problems :gwah

Hoshino has drawn Tegami Bachi crossovers in the past. I assume she's friends with the author.

sparviero-92
April 02, 2012, 02:50 PM
I know, that's why I'm not too worried.. but still, if it's not a planned resemblance...
I'm surprised on 2ch no one mentioned this fact, maybe spoiler girl/guy didn't have the manga..

neah
April 02, 2012, 02:51 PM
Only one thing can be said AMAZING! I love the colors she used
In the color page it's very rich. I really loved link the mark on him looked
A little like the Noah stigmata? Can't wait for the English version BTW was that
Nea at the end?

Lomahongva
April 02, 2012, 02:54 PM
Kyaaa!!!! It's awesome, it's fantastic is...is...DGm and Hoshino rulz!!! I don't have time to comment it (I have to hand in an essay tomorrow) but at least, I'll show you something.

Zhu's mansion is based in the Loira castles (France):http://loire-chateaux.co.uk/19-Chateaux.html and the closest to it, for me, it's this one: http://loire-chateaux.co.uk/19-Chateaux/Chateau-Of-Azay-Le-Rideau.html. And images from wikipedia: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ch%C3%A2teau_d%27Azay-le-Rideau?uselang=fr

Namiz
April 02, 2012, 03:00 PM
Shirtless Link....shirtless Link with his hair down....in more than a page....*cues fangirl scream* MY LIFE IS COMPLETE.

I really love the color page, way more than the new ugly cover. I see Hoshino changes her coloring style again XD Honestly, I like it a lot, it doesn't look messy/plain anymore.

Apo-chan is creepy than ever and so does Lvellie. He looks almost like a pervert old man on the run with his bang down :gwah

and HOSDHFOAHDSFO! The last page with wheats all over!!!! THOSE DETAILS! It would take weeks just to finish that drawing if it were me *worship Hoshino*

Niko_kun
April 02, 2012, 03:13 PM
is just me or allen really looks like the main character of tegami bacchi on the color page? and its awesome! looking for the chapter! *-*

The draws are so amazing.... omg

Mango-chan
April 02, 2012, 03:15 PM
Allen cosplaying Lag is probably a late birthday shout-out to Letter Bee's mangaka who's birthday is in February.

This month's chapter looks really great! So much Link. And pretty art. And more semi-useless Snapple Facts about Nea. D: Even in assumed death Cross is a cryptic bastard. (Or Malcolm found him and he's chillaxing in his summer home, hurhurhur)

Zibi234
April 02, 2012, 03:40 PM
but it would be interesting if this memory is in reality Allen's and not neahs... kinda neah is making allen remember his childhood as allen doesnt remember anything before his age of 8 or soemthing like that (from some databook).... if the end says that this place is somehow familiar... then maybe this was allens mother :P (or allen's previous reincarnation was this woman :P)

becouse if this is a memory... we see a baby looking at the mother... and then we got to see the twins so how come we see a memory of somone from 3rd perspective XD

but lets be serious... this is neah and mana... since only neah and mana /earl know the song to control the ark (which they got from their mother... or they created this music by using mothers song as they are the only ones to know it... and its a kind of a link between them)... still neahs authority over the ark was bigger than earls as earl could not cancel neahs order...

well we might learn what happened to neah and mana... maybe what happened that changed them....maybe a human killed their mother and both grow hatered towards human race and wanted to wipe it out... but neah might remember mothers teachings and opposed of doing so... and he just wanted to save his brother from his instanity and beign consumed by darkness...

the woman could have been "eve" or maybe roads real body... so next allen will search this mansion and find Road there...who might be sleeping like in coma... or simply was waiting for allen to finally appear


but still I kinda suffer from the lack of Allen and the most important part in the story... whole chapter was kinda wasted on link ;/ now another month of waiting awaits us its hell...

Dlanor_A.Knox
April 02, 2012, 04:35 PM
KYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ALLEN IS SO CUTE ON THE COLOR PICTURE!!
OMG this is the best!! I was so tired of studying and came here and TADA chinese translation 0o0
Relory Thank you x3 *huggs!!*

But damn this chapter looks good!! Can't wait to read it!!
Btw, it's a shame that VIZ doesn't put the color pictures colored in the volumes.. Ah nvm *order a poster of it*

BTw, Links smile is pretty cute :teehee

And we can at leats say that the woman has connection to the Noahs since she's singing that song....

oh and (lol I keep editing here xD) Allen actually being Neah's&Mana's mother is actually devoloping in one of my fanfics xD I wonder if Hoshino can read my mind xD? (please do Hoshino)

XxVongolaPrimaxX
April 02, 2012, 04:45 PM
OMFG AMAZING CHAPTER!!!!
i never liked Link until this chapter...he looks very...GOOOOODDD ( >.< )
Kanda is pretty much...as kanda as ever.
the dream though... PLEASE BE ALLEN'S MOM OMFG.
I think maybe the dream may become a combination of Nea and Allens memories mixed up?
It would make more sense for allen to see Nea's dream rather then to see Mana's because allen is the 14th host.
I can picture allen waking up after that dream trolls us (once it gets to a VERY important part) and he goes on a rampage.
perhaps that women will die?
explains why Mana and Nea were alone and why Mana(apparently lost it) after Nea died?
its either Allen and his twin borther? (0.o UNKNOWN)
or Mana and Nea as brothers.


the song that the mom is singing is the 14th melody right?
perhaps thats how Nea and Mana learned the song, or when allen said he "knew"that song it wasnt because he was the 14th host but because he remembers it from when he was young?
idk vey interesting chapter we will have to wait for the next =D

Shamy
April 02, 2012, 04:49 PM
Chinese pics out http://mangahead.com/Manga-Raw-Scan/DGray-Man/DGray-Man-213-Raw-Scan

http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/3975/81489453.jpg (http://mangahead.com)

suarhnir
April 02, 2012, 07:02 PM
Oyos

As much as it was nice for the eye candy, Iam still unable to think anything but bleach blonde hitler when looking at lvellier...
What if road was the woman (and mother)? Of course that would put sone kind of weird semi incest idea out there given road's affections towards allen

Sakamoto
April 02, 2012, 08:46 PM
wow finally its out.. Thanks!
I don't think that that women in the last 2 page is Road. There's no way that she's older than Mana and Neah..i think..

Link looks really sexy here and Lvelie's new hairstyle doesn't suits him -,-.
So, Lenalee wasn't in the chapter..phew~ But the chapter still doesn't satisfy me, Allen only appeared in 1 page and i wanted to see more Noah family scenes.
There's no doubt that the person at the last page is Neah. He has a short hair similar to Neah's adult look, and as usual likes to stretch out his left hand to somebody.. but i just wonder why that scene appeared in Allen's dream since HE IS Neah.
Lets pray that DGM doesn't go hiatus again.. :/

Jaymie
April 02, 2012, 09:01 PM
Other thoughts... I love how that woman is singing the 14th's song to those babies. The song finally makes sense in the context of the manga! I'm also starting to think that the twins are Nea and Adam, and Mana is the little boy at the end of the chapter. AKA, there's three siblings and not two. I'm still a firm believer in the Mana-and-Adam-were-one-person-split-into-two-beings theory, but this chapter has given me doubts.

My final thought: Kanda and Link. I'm pretty sure the only other time they interacted was when Kanda told Link to shut up, so they have a lot of delicious tension between them. It's almost like Hoshino wants us to ship Kanda with everyone! Lenalee, Johnny, and now Link.

neah
April 02, 2012, 09:20 PM
Hey I just had a thought the last page with mana or neah in the cornfield looks just like and image back in an earlier chapter. It's when cross is telling Allen about the 14th and mana the picture shows mana and neah running through or near a cornfeild I think it may be related

Bloody Queen
April 02, 2012, 10:38 PM
The twins thing still feels like a zap for my brain...

Okay, from the coloring, it looks like they have brown hair... Anyone but me thinks that they're Nea and Allen? Because Allen used to be a brunette before Mana died... And one thing confuses me... from the pervious chapter, when we saw Mana, it was completely from Nea's point of view/vision. But in this chapter, we saw the mother from angles that wasn't from one of the babies. Plus, we can see the babies clearly, so it wasn't from Nea's eyes. I think the child that was reaching out his hand is Nea... But the plot-hole with this one is that when reminiscence happens, it could be from any point of view/visions and not just the person's eyes (e.g: Timcampy's recording, Lavi's memories when Road mindraped him, etc...)

Okay... now I'm confused with that... :blink

But, ah... if the twins are Nea and Mana, then all of my hard-work on most of my theories failed... :mono

Edit --- The first thing I do in six in the morning is readin the Chinese Scanlation and seeing a half-naked Link right after I woke up... :teehee

Alice Cavallari
April 02, 2012, 10:49 PM
Hoshino drew a very sexy Link... MY GOD! It's been a while since I get so excited for a chapter! I can't wait to see what it says. Now it makes sense to me why Mana knows too the song of the ark! It looks like a song of their childhood... well I like the color page :D
I know this chapter just came out, but I hope for the next that Hoshino tell us more about the past of Neah and Mana, and not just (more) little pieces. Mmmm, but I just can't keep asking myself: Where the fuck is Lavi?!
D.gray-man has my attention again :B

tgirl
April 02, 2012, 10:58 PM
If I can make a little correction:

してねぇ is a colloquial and manly way of saying していない (from the verb "suru").

So it means something like this:

Link: "You were worried about me? What a surprise."
Kanda: "The hell I was."


edit: It's the same here: 神「信じられねぇな」. You should read it as: "信じられない".

Kanda: "I don't believe you."

Thank you! :D I see. Now, I understand what the "nee" represents. *adds colloquial to mind if I can remember this*

Will change that soon after this. (As well as adding some page numbers in if I can match all of them correctly with the Chinese scanlations. Also, got to re-check on that katakana "beer".)

(And to anyone, a belated you're welcome! >__< I haven't done a full translation in awhile. Because of that, I got less than an hour of sleep so I'm eventually going to bed in order to regain all my lost hours.)

With the chapter images out for awhile now, all I have to say is "wow". This chapter was beautiful. o____o It's like Hoshino went all out. By the time I reached the final page, I just thought to myself.. ... Well, if Allen doesn't remember anything of his life prior to the circus, at least, he gets a nice glimpse at this happy looking childhood of Nea's(?). (Of course, there has to be something deeper than this. I still theorize that Allen isn't just a "host", and that's just me on that.) For once, Allen might just understand what it feels like to have a mother!! ^o^ Haha....



The twins thing still feels like a zap for my brain...

Okay, from the coloring, it looks like they have brown hair... Anyone but me thinks that they're Nea and Allen? Because Allen used to be a brunette before Mana died... And one thing confuses me... from the pervious chapter, when we saw Mana, it was completely from Nea's point of view/vision. But in this chapter, we saw the mother from angles that wasn't from one of the babies. Plus, we can see the babies clearly, so it wasn't from Nea's eyes. I think the child that was reaching out his hand is Nea... But the plot-hole with this one is that when reminiscence happens, it could be from any point of view/visions and not just the person's eyes (e.g: Timcampy's recording, Lavi's memories when Road mindraped him, etc...)

Okay... now I'm confused with that... :blink

But, ah... if the twins are Nea and Mana, then all of my hard-work on most of my theories failed... :mono

Edit --- The first thing I do in six in the morning is readin the Chinese Scanlation and seeing a half-naked Link right after I woke up... :teehee

You made an interesting point. I didn't really think of the point of view when seeing these memories.

The twins being Allen and Nea? Well, I always thought that if Allen still had his original hair color, he might've looked like Nea without the black hair. (But then, he would have to also look a bit similar to Tyki....) I always think Allen should be related to this for a reason. If he's missing a chunk of his childhood past, perhaps Nea's memories has the answers to all this...

pika318
April 02, 2012, 11:13 PM
Just read the chapter in Chinese and loving the art as usual. Seeing Link smile like that towards Kanda really threw me off though, since he had never showed that expression before. Besides that, the last page had to be the most interesting page of all.

Bloody Queen
April 03, 2012, 12:06 AM
I've posted this in the HO Thread, but just in case...


According to Behind the Names, Nea (or Linn) is a diminutives form of Linnea

LINNÉA

GENDER: Feminine
USAGE: Swedish
PRONOUNCED: LEE-ne-ah  

From the name of a flower, also known as the twinflower. The Swedish botanist Carolus Linnaeus named it after himself, it being his favourite flower.

Twinflower?

Zibi234
April 03, 2012, 01:27 AM
You made an interesting point. I didn't really think of the point of view when seeing these memories.

The twins being Allen and Nea? Well, I always thought that if Allen still had his original hair color, he might've looked like Nea without the black hair. (But then, he would have to also look a bit similar to Tyki....) I always think Allen should be related to this for a reason. If he's missing a chunk of his childhood past, perhaps Nea's memories has the answers to all this...

but still the age difference bugs me... I mean we saw neah as a teenager and we learned that neah died 35years ago while allen had like 15-16years now

anyway what bugs me is that all this time we need to remember that we dont know what allens real name is... allen doesnt remember his childhood in past he called himself "red" becouse of his red arm....he took the name allen from mana (his dog had the name allen).... evne cross said to Apo... that Allen did not reffer to himself as Allen when they first met (novel) and he should have realized the mistake sooner

so there might be something special about allen and we need to learn about it.... what if allen is in reality "neahs or manas" kid ? or maybe their mother before death gave birth to another 3rd child which is allen.... but it would have been funny if allen turned out to be roads kid XD I mean the girl we see could have been roads ability to create from dreams.... old woman dream to be young again and so could have road... maybe she gave birht to a child but becouse she is a noah she would have to kill this child so she gave it to someones care


hmm I just come up with a wild idea just now... what if those children in reality are Mana and Adam !!!!? like the song said...twin babies.... and mana and earl look the same ! and it would turn out that this womans soul is allens soul (kinda like with Alma... girl soul in a boy body)...so the last panel with mostly neah holding somone by hand and laughing is in reality Mana/Adam while holding the hand of their mom (in this case allens hand)... it was said that neah was younger brother to mana but... we see that those are twins and neah and mana dont look the same... so the Crack which is neah could have been born few years after mana/adam... and becouse he was the youngest he got to get the most love from his mom and from his 2brothers (mana and adam)... but later it turned out that Adam choiced darkness (maybe after mothers death... kinda angry how their mother left them behind and kinda angry at god for tihs...so he decided to kill the god and started the war)... while mana choiced humanity kinda like their mother so he wanted to make people happy (clowning)... neah wanted to be peacefull again but adam would not listen so neah choiced mana over adam

this theory could have explained that allen was able to call back mana's soul with earl near... and explain why mana and earl's human form look the same

ying_su
April 03, 2012, 02:13 AM
@Bloody Queen, so Nea because of this beautiful flower: http://www.linneamemorial.org/wp-content/uploads/linnea-flower-5-321x450.jpg ? Interesting!

Btw, I love thiss new Link, his ayes are so expresive and that pannel... aww~
Hope the english version appears soon...

fuff
April 03, 2012, 02:25 AM
i didnt like the chapter :(

what if road is the mother and neah/mana is the son...or what if road is the mother nea is the dad and mana and earl are the kids?

Kalyra
April 03, 2012, 03:00 AM
:gwah My mind will break if that turns out to be true.
Links eyes are empty :c that gives me a bad feeling... he smiled at Kanda too. <_> It doesnt feel right!

The english translation hasn't come out yet... but you dont like the chapter?

Suddenly Akuma
April 03, 2012, 03:22 AM
This chapter looks great! :D I really like the color page, and although it's just a tiny preview picture, I like the new volume cover as well. Also, I'm leaning toward that boy on the last page being Nea, just on the fact that his eyes are showing and Hoshino has so far stubbornly refused to show Mana's. Also, considering that they seem to be going to the mansion, I wonder if the Walker's were originally some sort of noble family?



Lag Seeing. What is he doing on Dgray color page?! If this is not some kind of deliberate reference... what if she has to go on another hiatus for legal problems :gwah
Although I'm unfamiliar with this "Lag" character and whatever series he's from, Japanese copyright laws would actually allow her to have Allen cosplaying as a character from another manga.

(......)as allen doesnt remember anything before his age of 8 or soemthing like that (from some databook).... (....)
That info comes from the story "Lost Fragment of Snow" that was published in the Reverse 3 side novel. And it was actually never specified (at least not in the translation I read) what age Allen was when he lost his memories.
Quote from Pika318's translation: Red does not have any memories of the past. When he became aware, he realised that he had been sold to the circus. Also, spoiler tags for those who have not yet read that story and don't want to see the quote.

what if road is the mother and neah/mana is the son...or what if road is the mother nea is the dad and mana and earl are the kids?
Nea cannot be the father of Mana, as Cross already stated that Nea was Mana's younger brother. While there is the possibility that the woman could be Road (as we don't know how old she really is), Nea cannot be older than Mana (unless Cross was lying but I can think of no reason for him to have done so).

Links eyes are empty :c that gives me a bad feeling... he smiled at Kanda too. <_> It doesnt feel right!
Yes, Link's expression does seem off. However it is, at this time, hard to tell why exactly he's acting the way he is. The two reasons I can think of at the moment are
1. He is, as I believe someone may have already suggested, conflicted over whether he should follow Lvellie's orders, or protect Allen and the budding friendship they seem to have. Or
2. He has decided to side with Lvellie and is trying to return to the seemingly emotionless behavior from when he first appeared in a possible attempt to distance himself so that he can carry out his orders without hesitation.

Blackberry90
April 03, 2012, 05:12 AM
Guys, why I can't access chinese scans? The page gets closed automaticaly after 5 seconds :(

Edit:

Never mind, I found it from another page ^^;

BexXx
April 03, 2012, 05:20 AM
I hate to say it but I reeeeally don't think Allen is one of the babies, I'm sure it's just Nea and Manna but I do wonder who the mother is. And in the last image I'm sure that's Nea also, it's his hairdo, but the whole viewpoint thing makes me wonder cuz wouldn't we be seeing through Nea's eyes (like Bloody Queen said) so why would we be looking at Nea??? Aaaaaah confusing!

I'd doubt the babies are Mana and Adam either, but that's more cuz I'm still somehow on the side of thinking that Mana is the Earl.

For now though I think we're just going to see Nea's past and Allen's hidden past will remain a mystery, or hopefully be uncovered somewhere within Nea's.

Can't wait for the trans :^_^

Bloody Queen
April 03, 2012, 05:20 AM
^ Hn... Try this: http://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/DGray-Man/DGray-Man-213-Raw-Scan/01.jpg?action=big&size=original

Bloomerwedgies
April 03, 2012, 05:59 AM
Wow, gorgeous castle! *drools*
And if you want to go ice skating in the winter, you can just jump out the sitting room window.

relory
April 03, 2012, 06:18 AM
Twinflower?

I always love this kind of research! It's so much fun (even though we may be reading too much into things sometimes xD But hey, we learn new stuff, at least! :D ) I was reminded of that person that Hoshino most likely based the Earl on, the Count of Saint Germain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_of_St._Germain). His name is derived from latin and means either "Holy brother" or "Holy twin". :jk

I always suspected Nea and Mana were twins ever since chapter 166, so no surprises there *sips tea*:mono

THE. LAST. PAGE. Is that Mana or Nea? I bet Hoshino deliberately wants to mindfuck us on this one :3c It looks like Nea to me, by the shape of his eyes and the hair... but it could also be Mana, guiding Allen/Nea, the same way as in chapter 184. To me it could be sort of a mix between a dream and a memory, if it's Nea. It's like Nea is reaching out his hand to Allen to show him his past, in a way? :3 Only next chapter will tell, I guess :darn

And I wonder what that house is? If it's a mansion, Nea is the first Noah (so far) that seem to have grown up in a wealthy place! (as compared to Tyki, Skin, Wisely and even Allen.. all were poor in some way o.o). But I sort of have a feeling it's a school of some sorts? It just looks like Nea/Mana is wearing some kind of school uniform and a school backpack :headscratch maybe they were just camping in their HUGE wheat garden? :derp

Bloody Queen
April 03, 2012, 06:48 AM
^ The mansion... the boy in there could be a family member or either servant or slave, considering the timeline is around 19th century 35 years back then (wow, I read to much Pandora Hearts :blink) perhaps he's an adopted child... though in my opinion, maybe a servant judging by the clothes... (nobles' child are usually forbid to explore the outside world) and why the mansion is surround by wheat fields?

P.S: Can't find 'Mana' in Behind the Names...

Bloomerwedgies
April 03, 2012, 06:48 AM
:headscratch maybe they were just camping in their HUGE wheat garden? :derp

LOL...bet those kids got sick of farina for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
I am adoring her landscapes, cityscapes, and architectural drawings of late--such scenery candy! Her buildings alone, I can just stare at the details for way too long. She just gets more and more intricate. So beautiful.
Nice humongous castle there, Zhu. The heating bills, oy.
Ha, ha...Link's face when he figures out where he is--

Link: This is, by far, the nicest place I have ever woken up.
Zhu: What, this? It's just some hundred-room affair I chill at when all of my other fabulous chateaux are having new secret passages put in. Or being tented for bugs.

Bloody Queen
April 03, 2012, 07:13 AM
Hold on a second while I'm remebering my ultimate DGM theory! :zomg

Okay, it's like this: Nea ~> Mana ~> Allen

Get it? :cheez

Mana was a polite and gentleman kind of guy when he met Allen, but according to Cross, Mana lost his mind after Nea died. So, my theory is that after Nea died, Mana copied his little brother's personality just like Allen copied Mana's to deal with the trauma! After all, when it comes to twins, it's more fun (and usual) if they have completely different and opposite personalities. :derp

My guess is that Mana was a cold, loner kind of person 35 years ago (like Kanda), Nea was the gentleman one. After Nea died, Mana copied Nea's persona and became a kind man. Later, Allen copied Mana's persona.

So, I'm sure the boy on the last page is Nea, because he seems cheerful and happy.

Nea ~> Mana ~> Allen :mono

BexXx
April 03, 2012, 07:20 AM
Now that I can see! Good one Bloody Queen think ya hit the nail on the hear there

andrewsungchehau
April 03, 2012, 07:51 AM
The COLOR page is AMAZING!!!xD Both the Volume and Color page have their own unique.
The chapter is great, having info on Link. The chapter is slow pace IMO though due to only focus on Link but at least I think his case settle(or almost settle) where we can process on the ...dream or memory?
The most probable case for the twin is Nea and Mana. But with Hoshino sensei, u never know until she reveals.
The last double spread page is simply STUNNING!!!xD I feel the Atmosphere.

Dlanor_A.Knox
April 03, 2012, 08:28 AM
I was thinking... What if Adam is actually Neah's & Mana's dad? (Could explain why he cares so much about Neah and never killed Mana)
And that woman was a normal human?

And that song, does it mean that those Neah and Mana had silver eyes?
The both had gold as far as we know 0o0!

Isaac
April 03, 2012, 09:01 AM
One thing is sure: Mana cannot be Earl. Earl said that he is the only one who did not reincarnate.

BexXx
April 03, 2012, 09:14 AM
He can still be Mana though without reincarnating, like an alternative personality forming after he lost his brother Nea, or because he had a brother he was so close with it gave him a more good natured side.

Little Reala
April 03, 2012, 09:40 AM
I was thinking... What if Adam is actually Neah's & Mana's dad? (Could explain why he cares so much about Neah and never killed Mana)
And that woman was a normal human?


I was thinking something similar! I'm kinda stuck between the Mana=Earl idea and this Father Earl, i feel both have some ground but Hoshino needs to tell us mooooreeee!
Either would be rather interesting though XD

Isaac
April 03, 2012, 09:58 AM
He can still be Mana though without reincarnating, like an alternative personality forming after he lost his brother Nea, or because he had a brother he was so close with it gave him a more good natured side.

But we know, that Mana and Neah were kids:
How will you explain that Mana as child and Earl are one and same person if Earl did not reincarnate (he has thousands years now)?

Bloody Queen
April 03, 2012, 10:07 AM
But we know, that Mana and Neah were kids:
How will you explain that Mana as child and Earl are one and same person if Earl did not reincarnate (he has thousands years now)?

I've read about this problem somewhere in the Hang Out thread. The problem is, there are two translation that either prove Earl can reincarnate or not.

Chapter 187: #1 After being defeated by the 'Heart'... ~> It just says defeated, not died.
#2 7000 years ago, after I, the first Apostle, died fighting the 'Heart'... ~> Now, the book that was released by Viz says that the Earl died while the rest 12 Apostles survived.

About the Earl/Mana theory, it does have big, supportive evidences. In the Character Book, it states that Earl and Mana have the same height and the same weight. Plus, their faces almost the same that it's starting to get creepier...

Is this getting off topic? If it is, then I apologize...

BexXx
April 03, 2012, 10:39 AM
I've read about this problem somewhere in the Hang Out thread. The problem is, there are two translation that either prove Earl can reincarnate or not.

Chapter 187: #1 After being defeated by the 'Heart'... ~> It just says defeated, not died.
#2 7000 years ago, after I, the first Apostle, died fighting the 'Heart'... ~> Now, the book that was released by Viz says that the Earl died while the rest 12 Apostles survived.

About the Earl/Mana theory, it does have big, supportive evidences. In the Character Book, it states that Earl and Mana have the same height and the same weight. Plus, their faces almost the same that it's starting to get creepier...

Is this getting off topic? If it is, then I apologize...

I find that Viz tend to have some obvious mistranslations in their books though sadly so it's still hard to know what was really said by Hoshino. But i'm still on the Earl=Mana side, cuz Nea had a brother (it was never mentioned that he had 2 brothers) and both Mana and the Earl have been recognized as Nea's brother! Conundrum >_<

I don't think it's too off topic if this chapter is going to tell us more about the truth, YAY! Soon we'll know :^_^

tgirl
April 03, 2012, 10:41 AM
but still the age difference bugs me... I mean we saw neah as a teenager and we learned that neah died 35years ago while allen had like 15-16years now

We have gene reincarnation in this story. Who's to rule out the "other" kind of reincarnation via the soul, eh? I think it's a possibility that can still be open here. We already seen it happen between Kanda and Alma, but through scienece.


anyway what bugs me is that all this time we need to remember that we dont know what allens real name is... allen doesnt remember his childhood in past he called himself "red" becouse of his red arm....he took the name allen from mana (his dog had the name allen).... evne cross said to Apo... that Allen did not reffer to himself as Allen when they first met (novel) and he should have realized the mistake sooner

Yeah. There's just something weird about this. Supposedly, Allen's real name is "Allen", but the Apo guy did something to Allen, huh?


so there might be something special about allen and we need to learn about it.... what if allen is in reality "neahs or manas" kid ? or maybe their mother before death gave birth to another 3rd child which is allen.... but it would have been funny if allen turned out to be roads kid XD I mean the girl we see could have been roads ability to create from dreams.... old woman dream to be young again and so could have road... maybe she gave birht to a child but becouse she is a noah she would have to kill this child so she gave it to someones care

O__o Or Allen is a dream existence? Wait... Nevermind. >D I'm not exactly crazy about Allen being a kid of Nea's, because I think Nea died when he was around Allen's current age. And Mana lost his mind so I can't picture him in a relationship.

And the idea of Allen being Road's kid.... Hmmmmm... That's kind of hard to picture if Road has a crush on her own child, eh? :D Haha.. But, you came up with some crazy things.


hmm I just come up with a wild idea just now... what if those children in reality are Mana and Adam !!!!? like the song said...twin babies.... and mana and earl look the same ! and it would turn out that this womans soul is allens soul (kinda like with Alma... girl soul in a boy body)...so the last panel with mostly neah holding somone by hand and laughing is in reality Mana/Adam while holding the hand of their mom (in this case allens hand)... it was said that neah was younger brother to mana but... we see that those are twins and neah and mana dont look the same... so the Crack which is neah could have been born few years after mana/adam... and becouse he was the youngest he got to get the most love from his mom and from his 2brothers (mana and adam)... but later it turned out that Adam choiced darkness (maybe after mothers death... kinda angry how their mother left them behind and kinda angry at god for tihs...so he decided to kill the god and started the war)... while mana choiced humanity kinda like their mother so he wanted to make people happy (clowning)... neah wanted to be peacefull again but adam would not listen so neah choiced mana over adam

this theory could have explained that allen was able to call back mana's soul with earl near... and explain why mana and earl's human form look the same

You really want Allen to be a woman in a former life, eh? *grins* But that's reallllly farfetched now for me. ^_^ Adam is the Earl's name, which existed far longer than the existence of these twins, you have to remember.




i didnt like the chapter :(

what if road is the mother and neah/mana is the son...or what if road is the mother nea is the dad and mana and earl are the kids?

WHAAAAaaattt... ?? And you don't like this chapter? D: (And I don't think you need to worry about Road being the mother. @_@ She prefers being in a child form so I doubt she'd want to have kids.)




The english translation hasn't come out yet...

The English translation (in my post) is on the first page of this thread (which I'm still tweaking here and there when I can). Also, a few of verduister and sparviero-92's own summaries are posted in this thread as well.



Hold on a second while I'm remebering my ultimate DGM theory! :zomg

Okay, it's like this: Nea ~> Mana ~> Allen

Get it? :cheez

Mana was a polite and gentleman kind of guy when he met Allen, but according to Cross, Mana lost his mind after Nea died. So, my theory is that after Nea died, Mana copied his little brother's personality just like Allen copied Mana's to deal with the trauma! After all, when it comes to twins, it's more fun (and usual) if they have completely different and opposite personalities. :derp

My guess is that Mana was a cold, loner kind of person 35 years ago (like Kanda), Nea was the gentleman one. After Nea died, Mana copied Nea's persona and became a kind man. Later, Allen copied Mana's persona.

So, I'm sure the boy on the last page is Nea, because he seems cheerful and happy.

Nea ~> Mana ~> Allen :mono

O___O ;;

*mind explodes*

ClownRaper
April 03, 2012, 11:33 AM
One thing is sure: Mana cannot be Earl. Earl said that he is the only one who did not reincarnate.
Even more than that, though, is the fact that in one of those DGM Reverse novels, Mana and the Earl were present in the same scene. They can't both exist in the same place at the same time if they are the same person. And those novels are canon because Hoshino collaborated and stuff. I used to like the Earl/Mana theory, but it just wouldn't make sense. :/

Anyway, I totally love the volume cover... if Kanda's leg was... there...>_>

Zibi234
April 03, 2012, 11:50 AM
You really want Allen to be a woman in a former life, eh? *grins* But that's reallllly farfetched now for me. ^_^ Adam is the Earl's name, which existed far longer than the existence of these twins, you have to remember.


well it happened with Alma :P so why not xD order had to come up with some idea to do something like soul transfer...and that could have come out from central the 14th follower or spy...(just like cross learned magic from someone ^^)

about the age..well earl said that he and road are the only ones that did not reincarnate after neah killed everyone 35years ago... but we dont know if there is a limit of how long a noah can live... do they die a natral death and then reincarnate or can they live in 1body for centuries... it was not explained... but we know that noah do reincarnate so maybe does earl as was showed to be noah nr.01

about earl existence... ok he existed like rest of the noah for long long time...but we dont know when those 2twins were born... hoshino needs to explain it....it could be 40-50years ago... or it could be hundreds..... twins could have been born but one of them awakened the memories of Earl and become earl... kinda like that... and since they are twins hat share blood... the power could have started to awaken in both of them... but since there can be only 1earl neah ended up as the 14th (since he was born 2nd).... so this phenomena could have been the crack... that 2lives had the same fate but only 1could gain it


other wild theory why earl looks the same as mana might be that after neah appeared earl noticed neahs close relantionship with his brother mana and become jeloous... so maybe in order to fool neah he took the form of mana.... kinda like I look like mana so neah will like me too for sure :P

damn and so we need to wait for a month... and I really hoipe that we will get thisd dream flashback and not again link-kanda stuff...

ca12nag3
April 03, 2012, 12:00 PM
Even more than that, though, is the fact that in one of those DGM Reverse novels, Mana and the Earl were present in the same scene. They can't both exist in the same place at the same time if they are the same person. And those novels are canon because Hoshino collaborated and stuff. I used to like the Earl/Mana theory, but it just wouldn't make sense. :/

Anyway, I totally love the volume cover... if Kanda's leg was... there...>_>

Im actually opposing this, Mana and the earl could be the same yet seperate and the same person ^^. If the noah was seperated from the human then youd get 2 persons both with the same memories of their *joined* life. This could cause serious issues for them both.
So lets say that this is what happend then the human part of mana is what nea escaped with etc etc. This would have serious consequences for the manga but its possible, Specially since we are talking about symbiotic life here in this manga, like innocence with humans and noah with humans as their hosts. Both forms are in symbiosis with said noah/innocence. There is no telling if they can seperate.

sparviero-92
April 03, 2012, 12:04 PM
Hold on a second while I'm remebering my ultimate DGM theory! :zomg

Okay, it's like this: Nea ~> Mana ~> Allen

Get it? :cheez

Mana was a polite and gentleman kind of guy when he met Allen, but according to Cross, Mana lost his mind after Nea died. So, my theory is that after Nea died, Mana copied his little brother's personality just like Allen copied Mana's to deal with the trauma! After all, when it comes to twins, it's more fun (and usual) if they have completely different and opposite personalities. :derp

My guess is that Mana was a cold, loner kind of person 35 years ago (like Kanda), Nea was the gentleman one. After Nea died, Mana copied Nea's persona and became a kind man. Later, Allen copied Mana's persona.

So, I'm sure the boy on the last page is Nea, because he seems cheerful and happy.

Nea ~> Mana ~> Allen :mono

I had a similar theory!
After Nea died Mana's personality/behaviour changed (to become similar to Nea's), after Mana died Allen's personality/behaviour changed (to become similar to Mana/Nea's).
You suggest this happened as a coping mechanism... but what if the change wasn't conscious?
Mana passed to Allen the 14th's memory, Nea could've passed to Mana the 14th memory before he died and that's why his personality changed. Maybe it's actually the 14th that's influencing their way of acting.
This might also explain why in the Reverse novel (the third maybe? The one with Mana and Allen's past in the circus) Mana is convinced to be 17...?

Bloody Queen
April 03, 2012, 12:15 PM
I had a similar theory!
After Nea died Mana's personality/behaviour changed (to become similar to Nea's), after Mana died Allen's personality/behaviour changed (to become similar to Mana/Nea's).
You suggest this happened as a coping mechanism... but what if the change wasn't conscious?
Mana passed to Allen the 14th's memory, Nea could've passed to Mana the 14th memory before he died and that's why his personality changed. Maybe it's actually the 14th that's influencing their way of acting.
This might also explain why in the Reverse novel (the third maybe? The one with Mana and Allen's past in the circus) Mana is convinced to be 17...?

Wow, nice idea! :thumbs And in my theory, they (Mana and Allen) did it without actually knowing it. I think they copied another person's persona so they feel that said person still alive within them and not dead. However, in chapter 165, Cross told Allen to 'stop wearing that Mask of Mana, make your own path' and Allen seemed to consider it, I think Allen knows that he's copying Mana's personality, even so, he doesn't want to let it go. :)

In the chapter when Cross was assassinated, he said that 'perhaps bringing the brat to the Order was a good thing'. It seems that Cross was/is trying to remove Allen's Mask of Mana and bring up his original (the disdainful, rude 'Red') persona.

Edit --- Mana being 17 could be from Nea's influence. But I don't think the copying works that way because Allen still thinks he's around 15-16 and not a middle-aged man. Then again, Nea did say that Allen had become a 'puppet'. For Mana/17 thingy, perhaps it was more like a memory loss, trauma can do that to people, after all.

sparviero-92
April 03, 2012, 12:35 PM
Edit --- Mana being 17 could be from Nea's influence. But I don't think the copying works that way because Allen still thinks he's around 15-16 and not a middle-aged man. Then again, Nea did say that Allen had become a 'puppet'. For Mana/17 thingy, perhaps it was more like a memory loss, trauma can do that to people, after all.

Allen wouldn't think he was a middle aged man: if it was the 14th's memory that made Mana think he was 17 (and that was strange because Mana definitely wasn't 17) and Allen now has the memory of the 14th but he's also around 16-17 so it's not something that would stand out...

Bloody Queen
April 03, 2012, 12:40 PM
Oops, I wrote the wrong one :facepalm

I mean, in chapter 206, we can see that Allen started behaving like Mana around the age of 12 when Cross said 'he's talking like Mana'. And if I remembered correctly, Mana died when Allen was around 11-12 :)

sparviero-92
April 03, 2012, 12:42 PM
Oops, I wrote the wrong one :facepalm

I mean, in chapter 206, we can see that Allen started behaving like Mana around the age of 12 when Cross said 'he's talking like Mana'. And if I remembered correctly, Mana died when Allen was around 11-12 :)

Ahah, you're right! Allen hasn't always been around 16! :tem

BexXx
April 03, 2012, 02:20 PM
Even more than that, though, is the fact that in one of those DGM Reverse novels, Mana and the Earl were present in the same scene. They can't both exist in the same place at the same time if they are the same person. And those novels are canon because Hoshino collaborated and stuff. I used to like the Earl/Mana theory, but it just wouldn't make sense. :/

Anyway, I totally love the volume cover... if Kanda's leg was... there...>_>

I had thought this too but then I considered that there's a chance that part was more hypothetical than the exact scenario because it's not from anyone's point of view (such as an onlooker) Mana could have seen the Earl and it was written to communicate his point of view while the audience actually saw something different, only him and him becoming the Earl. Because it was written as a novel instead or graphic there's a real possibility of this.

ca12nag3
April 03, 2012, 03:12 PM
Oops, I wrote the wrong one :facepalm

I mean, in chapter 206, we can see that Allen started behaving like Mana around the age of 12 when Cross said 'he's talking like Mana'. And if I remembered correctly, Mana died when Allen was around 11-12 :)


your quoting badly, its like this,

Allen: Don't stand still. Keep walking.

After which Cross replied to mother : He's talking the way Mana did.

This same context is found in ch205 where Road says : Don't stop keep on walking. The words Nea left for Mana.

If im correct Mana told this to Allen in the very beginning as well. So it could also mean its like a family credo, and it is.

as a sidenote, Cross thought Mana *lost it* when the 14th died, so its possible in this context that he thought Allen had lost it as well.

Niko_kun
April 03, 2012, 08:28 PM
Now Hoshino can change the screen time between bookman talking the memories and the ones in allen's mind, so we could see Lavi, and everybody gets happy ^-^

Bloody Queen
April 03, 2012, 09:25 PM
@ca12nag3: The one who said "don't stand still, keep walking" was Cross.

Cross: "C'mon, Allen, don't you remember..."
"...what Mana used tell you?"

Cross: "Don't stand still, keep walking."

Allen widen his eyes and cry.

Cross (to Mother): "He's talking the way Mana did." (Now, we don't actually get to see what Allen was talking.)

Because if Allen was the one who said "don't stop, keep waking", Cross already know that Mana used to tell Allen that overtime (he spied them both using his golem) and wouldn't tell Mother with that grim face. In fact, I think Cross would be happy if Allen recognize that he wasn't moving on at that time. I don't know if you have read the Reverse 3, but even from the Manga (around chapter 164-165) we can see that Allen was a rude kid back then, and in chapter 206, Allen was still rude to Mana when the latter bought clothes that looks childish for Allen.

Mana: "It's cute."
Red/Allen: "I'm not frigging cute! I wanna be a cool clown, damn it!" (~> The current Allen won't say that...)

By "he's talking like Mana did", perhaps it meant that Allen had become polite (like Mana) and left his original persona (Red) though, in chapter 205, said persona returned momentarily when he was yelling at Tyki.

relory
April 04, 2012, 06:41 AM
The personality-theory is very interesting, but I have my doubts about Mana and Nea D:

So far the only times we've seen Nea and Mana, Mana has been the "polite" one while Nea emits a more.. "arrogant" precence..? I'm not that smart when it comes to the Japanese language, but all the times Mana has been around (chapter 166, 184 and 212), he has used "boku" when referring to himself, which is informal but not "threathening", while Nea (and even the 14th's shadow xD) uses "ore", which can be a very arrogant/rude way to refer to oneself (especially when talking to someone with a higher social standing than himself the Earl). Allen also used "ore" when he first met Mana, but now he uses "boku".

And just their faces expresses enough xD To me they seem to be very different in personality from what we've seen so far (almost like the "Blue Oni/Red Oni" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedOniBlueOni) xD); Nea looks "cold" and confident (http://www.mangareader.net/210-57363-14/dgray-man/chapter-198.html) while Mana is much more emotional (http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/212/10). But that's just from the little we already know. Hopefully the next chapters will go deeper into their story :zomg:zomg

EDIT: I see the kabbalistic three of life (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Tree_of_Life%2C_Medieval.jpg) thar, on page 13 (http://www.dm5.com/m102261-p13/). I love it, more occult stuff to dig into (and to find out how much Hoshino has dug into) :derp

Bloody Queen
April 04, 2012, 07:47 AM
^ I know the difference between ore and boku, but I didn't know what Mana and Nea used to refer themselve, thank you for the information! :^_^

Hn, but in the 14th's song, it uses 'watashi' , which is a very formal way to refer oneself... and if the one who made the song is Nea...

Okay, now I'm confuse...

Edit --- Wait... My sister, who has been into manga/anime for 15 years or so, says that boku is the informal one while ore is the formal/higher profession uses...

Edit 2 --- Nevermind. I think she means ore used by those of higher profession while the servant used boku.

sparviero-92
April 04, 2012, 08:00 AM
I haven't read the raws of the most recent chapters (can't seem to find them in japanese) so I don't really remember which pronouns they used but yes, what you say does make sense, the use of the pronouns is different for these three characters.

@Bloody Queen
It's roughly like this Watashi > Boku > Ore in terms of formality

@relory
Until now I didn't realize it was Mana in chapter 212! I don't know how that happened xD

relory
April 04, 2012, 09:43 AM
^ I know the difference between ore and boku, but I didn't know what Mana and Nea used to refer themselve, thank you for the information! :^_^

No problem! :D I'm glad I could be of use x'D About the 14th's song, it's not proven that he made it (yet) :teehee and the last chapter had me thinking it could be a lullaby their mother made for them...? But it's interesting it's watashi, yeah! It's very formal, but can be casual/informal when used by females o.o Darn you, confusing language! :p

It's just that I think this kind of difference when speaking is very interesting, and it's a little sad that it gets lost in the English translation (which is one of the reasons why nerdy me buys the original 8D) Like, in chapter 189, When Allen turns 14th for a second, he rapidly goes from "boku"(僕) to "ore"(オレ) and then back to "boku" again when he gains control over himself :D And it's especially interesting (to me:sweat) when it comes to Nea and Mana, who are siblings, but they still speak very differently (there has so far been no "desu" from Nea :hip)

and to different people; Nea uses ore when speaking to both Allen and the Earl, and Mana to Nea and Allen/Red. Which in turn could indicate that that's just the way they speak in general (as opposed to Nea only being an ass to the Earl, for instance :cheez) ... Aah I'm just geeking around now lol sorry about that xD

I don't have the Japanese version closeby right now, but I searched up some of the raws/scripts, just because I can (and have no life) :derp:
Mana (chapter 166): 「僕は所詮余所者ですから。」 (I'm just an outsider after all.)
Mana (chapter 212): 「僕が、憎くないんですか?」 (Don't you.. hate me?)
Nea (chapter 187): 『オレはさ、何があっても味方だから…』 (I'll be... by your side no matter what happens...)
Nea (chapter 198): 「オレハ、スベテヲ破壊スル、14番目ノノア。」 (http://pics.livejournal.com/beli3ve/pic/0000b6cf) (I'm the one who will destroy everthing, the 14th Noah.)

.... if only researching D.Gray-man could have been a job :zomg

Bloody Queen
April 04, 2012, 10:04 AM
^ Oh my... how could I forgot about the woman in the new chapter :fail Nya... why do Japanese kanji(s) so confusing :derp

Siblings that speak differently are very common in manga world, I honestly can't remember the last time I read a manga that has twin/close siblings with the same personality (except Jasdevi :P) and it's more fun if they're the opposite :teehee

Couldn't help but to ask... what's "desu"? I've heard that somewhere... :headscratch

Researching DGM as a job? It could be impossible for us fans work as Hoshino's geeky assistants, but relory, you're doing your job: researching things for fans that are hungry for information (and spoilers) like me! :super

Ah, if only I could drink six glasses of D.Gray-man like one of those LJ new year resolution said...

ca12nag3
April 04, 2012, 11:25 AM
@ca12nag3: The one who said "don't stand still, keep walking" was Cross.

Cross: "C'mon, Allen, don't you remember..."
"...what Mana used tell you?"

Cross: "Don't stand still, keep walking."

Allen widen his eyes and cry.

Cross (to Mother): "He's talking the way Mana did." (Now, we don't actually get to see what Allen was talking.)

Because if Allen was the one who said "don't stop, keep waking", Cross already know that Mana used to tell Allen that overtime (he spied them both using his golem) and wouldn't tell Mother with that grim face. In fact, I think Cross would be happy if Allen recognize that he wasn't moving on at that time. I don't know if you have read the Reverse 3, but even from the Manga (around chapter 164-165) we can see that Allen was a rude kid back then, and in chapter 206, Allen was still rude to Mana when the latter bought clothes that looks childish for Allen.

Mana: "It's cute."
Red/Allen: "I'm not frigging cute! I wanna be a cool clown, damn it!" (~> The current Allen won't say that...)

By "he's talking like Mana did", perhaps it meant that Allen had become polite (like Mana) and left his original persona (Red) though, in chapter 205, said persona returned momentarily when he was yelling at Tyki.

what im trying to say and what you just concur with your quotation that the origina (keep on walking) comes from Mana > Cross > Allen, and Road said its what Nea told Mana thus Nea>Mana>Cross>Allen.

Making it more like a family message rather then anything else.

Bloody Queen
April 04, 2012, 11:36 AM
what im trying to say and what you just concur with your quotation that the origina (keep on walking) comes from Mana > Cross > Allen, and Road said its what Nea told Mana thus Nea>Mana>Cross>Allen.

Making it more like a family message rather then anything else.

Um, I'm sorry, I don't get what you mean. :blink Actually, the whole 'keep walking' thingy has nothing to do with the whole Nea ~> Mana ~> Allen idea. By 'copying' a personality, it's the behavior. In my theory, Mana became a gentleman after Nea died, following his brother's way of life. Yes, it does include 'keep walking'. However, Mana had told Allen over and over again about the 'keep walking' thingy, making it somewhat a will for Allen to take even before Mana died.

Gentleman Nea, cold Mana, rude Allen. The 'gentleman' role is passed onto Mana, and then Allen.

REN KOUEN
April 04, 2012, 01:18 PM
wait a minute....did DGM213 get released yet???!!!

if so where?

sparviero-92
April 04, 2012, 01:54 PM
No, the chapter in english isn't out yet, a on page 7 or 6 there is a link to the chinese scanlation though.

ca12nag3
April 04, 2012, 02:38 PM
Um, I'm sorry, I don't get what you mean. :blink Actually, the whole 'keep walking' thingy has nothing to do with the whole Nea ~> Mana ~> Allen idea. By 'copying' a personality, it's the behavior. In my theory, Mana became a gentleman after Nea died, following his brother's way of life. Yes, it does include 'keep walking'. However, Mana had told Allen over and over again about the 'keep walking' thingy, making it somewhat a will for Allen to take even before Mana died.

Gentleman Nea, cold Mana, rude Allen. The 'gentleman' role is passed onto Mana, and then Allen.

its the entire thing, keep on walking comes from Nea not Mana, Road said that its what Nea told Mana, and then Mana told Allen. So what some say that Allen is talking like Mana, could have nothing to do with Allen changing to the 14th. More his upbringing. After all Allen showed change when he was hit by Kanda and finally started changing into the 14th. (when Allen grabbed that lvl 4)

Lomahongva
April 04, 2012, 03:08 PM
I'm here again! Itried to read everyone's posts and I saw very interesting points but saddly, I haven't any good theory about the Mana/Earl/Allen mistery.

As I said, this chapter is amazing!!! I loved the art (as usual, but every detail and perspective was incredible!!). @Dlanor: (iI think it was you who said it) I also wan that CP in a poster format!!!! I know that Allens is cosplaying Lag from Tegami Bachi (Letter Bee) but he's more likely wearing a bandana like Lavi's.

Link, Link!!! Those panels were so great and ..uhm... ok a lot of girls' fanservice but I agree with you!!! Seeing him like that (I won't add anything else here) and smiling!!! made my day and gave me tons of happpiness. Yes, my life is complete tooo. I can' t wait for the scanlation to understand Link!Kanda meeting (Link please, you were only holding your blade in case Kanda wasn't patience to hear you, weren't you?) although this incident scaried me a bit.

Then, for those last panels, they were magnificient. I have to agree with you that the house seems like one of those that are usual in english noble country possessions. I studied a bit about gardening history and those houses were surronded by great extensions of land, which were arrenged in different ways (with scultures, paths, waterfalls, etc., it depends on the idea of garden and landscape that people formed in every age. XVIII's century gardens are differente from those from the XV century or medieval ones). I have to look some information because that field of wheat seems a bit strange for me. I mean it should be in the area where the owner had his farms... If I have some time, I'll look for it.

Although it could have another explanetion, more symbolic: whaet it's used in the christian iconography to symbolize the Eucharist, which is the sacrifice of Christ.

Bloomerwedgies
April 04, 2012, 04:04 PM
I...was unaware they had skinny jeans in the nineteenth century.
Not that I am complaining.

Lomahongva
April 04, 2012, 04:16 PM
I...was unaware they had skinny jeans in the nineteenth century.
Not that I am complaining.

Jeans were a cloth used in work clothes and they existed in the XIX century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeans

Bloomerwedgies
April 04, 2012, 04:32 PM
^ Oh, I know! And they had some seriously painted-on pants in the Georgian period, too. I'm just O.O at Link poured into those hipster drainpipes. :hip

capricorn
April 04, 2012, 05:05 PM
This chapter put a smile on my face. I'm really loving this military phase of d gray man. I really love how this manga evolves over time. The different phases that i've identified were like:
1) The Gothic fantasy shonen phase, which was also the first phase
2) The high density morality phase during suman ark
3) The battle manga phase during the arc Ark and beyond
4) The slightly sci-fi drama phase during the Alma arc
and finally now #5) probably my favorite phase which I like to call the Religious Military phase. I particularly love how the concentration and participation of Link and Malcolm emphasize this more. On top of that you have to admit the character interactions seem a whole lot more intense now. I don't understand a word of chinese so I didn't get what Link or Kanda was saying but I have to admit the stare down between those two gave me chills.

On a separate note Hoshino really went all out on the art this chapter. The very first scenes with Apocryphos and Link was intense and ofcoarce the last page left me lost for words. Not only because it was so detailed but also how it captured this strange happy/ spooky atmosphere to it........don't know it could be just me. The colored page was bad ass for me mostly because of Link and his fly new getup. Allen was okay its just that I find that Hoshino makes him look too chibi/girly. I kinda prefer a more butch looking Allen with his gentleman characteristics in place ofcoarce. Overall have to say this chapter was awesome though in my opinion I don't think that is a surprise at this point.

neah
April 04, 2012, 08:08 PM
@Bloomerwedgies I deffinetly agree with you I feel that that sort of modern style adds a twist to hoshino's artwork

Bloody Queen
April 04, 2012, 08:30 PM
its the entire thing, keep on walking comes from Nea not Mana, Road said that its what Nea told Mana, and then Mana told Allen. So what some say that Allen is talking like Mana, could have nothing to do with Allen changing to the 14th. More his upbringing. After all Allen showed change when he was hit by Kanda and finally started changing into the 14th. (when Allen grabbed that lvl 4)

What I mean is that what Cross said about the whole talking like Mana thing, it was Allen's respond to Cross' words about the keep walking thingy. Now, rude Allen might replied with, "you don't need to tell me that, jerk," or something. Perhaps the Allen in 206 replied in a kind and polite way (Mana/Nea's way) to the shock of Cross. It's like us fans' reactions when Kanda smiled, albeit different. It's leaming more to 'acting' like Mana rather than just talking or expressing. After that, Mother said, "Isn't he just a vehicle, that will be eroded by the 14th? Until that time comes, at least make him happy with the memories of Mana." Why the conversation suddenly come to the 14th? At the beggining of the chapter, we can see Allen bowing and saying thanks, I don't think Red would do that even to the people he owed his life with. He might blush a bit amd turm his head to the other way.

Niko_kun
April 05, 2012, 06:37 AM
English scan is out!!!!!!

http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/83106_

Bloody Queen
April 05, 2012, 07:26 AM
Wow... This chapter touched my heart :wtf I almost cried when Link said, "If people, with just their hearts, can win against fate..." he had a sad face that he seemed was trying to hide, he smiled but he frowned... I feel emotional... D.Gray-man is a truly unique shounen manga :vbunny

Though... in page 16, what did Zhu meant by, "turned you into the fourteenth..." :blink

And the art... the art! :blai Hoshino is definitely getting better and better! :love but, oops, a little gory scene when the Cardinal's hand went though Link... Guess D.Gray-man does become darker since it was moved into SQ Jump. The scenery on the last page... gorgeous would be an understatement... :zomg

By the way, tgirl, your translation isn't too far off! Great job! :super

I guess that Rouvelier is the good guy? :imslow Him with longer hair looks better... his interaction with Link seemed like a father-son conversation... but I think Rouvelier is still hiding something... dark secrets...

Edit --- Hold on, the Cardinal said, "He who holds the Heart..." He? HE? The Heart's accomodator (if it needs/has one) is a male?

BexXx
April 05, 2012, 08:16 AM
It's oooooooooooout!!! http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/213 X)

andrewsungchehau
April 05, 2012, 08:38 AM
I forgot to mention this, Link didn't mention Apo guy to Lvellie. I wonder if Link truly forgot what happened or is he hiding it?

BexXx
April 05, 2012, 08:43 AM
I think he was made forget, it was heavily suggested.

Kanda want to kill Allen >_< Why *sobs*

Bloody Queen
April 05, 2012, 08:54 AM
I think he was made forget, it was heavily suggested.

Kanda want to kill Allen >_< Why *sobs*

I think Kanda thought that Link's mission is to assinate Allen because of the 14th. If Allen does become the 14th, Kanda wants to kill Allen himself. That or "kill him myself" is Kanda's way to say that he'd protect Allen...

BexXx
April 05, 2012, 08:57 AM
I see he's being heartfelt and sweet in a very Kanda manner, aaaawh

Darjaille
April 05, 2012, 09:33 AM
Awww T_T

I like the spotlight on Link very much. Ah the gorgeousness of his hair!~
So yeah, surprised about the life transfer thingy. I already have this image in my mind, where Link sacrifices his life for someone/Allen? :s

I didn't really understand what is this special thing about 14th so that everyone wants him. I guess we'll know soon!

Btw I'm sure Link wants to protect Allen, even if his mission might just be a calculation on Llevellie's (sorry, I just don't remember how to spell his name >_>;; ) but we know Link supports Allen!

Btw their team now will sure be weird :XD Link and Kanda as unpleasant as ever, awkward Johnny and Allen >_< Fun to watch! :D

And the art.... :blai
The last scenery is just magical. O____O

sparviero-92
April 05, 2012, 10:35 AM
"I turned you in the 14th" (http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/213/17) ? What is Zuu trying to say?
The japanese script from 2ch is also messed up in that particular point ( from the way it was transcribed (the presence of that の in particular) it seems that what Lverrier is saying it's just part of Zuu's speach)
ズゥ「私は……! まんまとおまえを「14番目」の「ズゥ老師」
Zuu:"I... In the end I turned you into the 14th's..." "Master Zuu"

(green = Zuu's speaking, purple = Leverrier's speaking)

That's how I can interpret... what do you think?

Niko_kun
April 05, 2012, 10:51 AM
"I turned you in the 14th" (http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/213/17) ? What is Zuu trying to say?
The japanese script from 2ch is also messed up in that particular point ( from the way it was transcribed (the presence of that の in particular) it seems that what Lverrier is saying it's just part of Zuu's speach)
ズゥ「私は……! まんまとおまえを「14番目」の「ズゥ老師」
Zuu:"I... In the end I turned you into the 14th's..." "Master Zuu"

(green = Zuu's speaking, purple = Leverrier's speaking)

That's how I can interpret... what do you think?

In my point was that now link is the host of atuuda and sooner or later, he will have to continue the spell, giving his life away, just like the 14 is doing with Allen...

Anyway, this chapter was amazing, and Link speech was beautiful! Haha... and I wanna kill lvellie, WHAT DOES HE MEAN BY IGNORE WALKER? ARE U KIDDING ME?

Bloody Queen
April 05, 2012, 11:27 AM
"I turned you in the 14th" (http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/213/17) ? What is Zuu trying to say?
The japanese script from 2ch is also messed up in that particular point ( from the way it was transcribed (the presence of that の in particular) it seems that what Lverrier is saying it's just part of Zuu's speach)
ズゥ「私は……! まんまとおまえを「14番目」の「ズゥ老師」
Zuu:"I... In the end I turned you into the 14th's..." "Master Zuu"

(green = Zuu's speaking, purple = Leverrier's speaking)

That's how I can interpret... what do you think?

14th's... could he meant that Zhu had turned Link into the 14th's ally?! Could Atuuda originally belong to the 14th's?! Thus, giving Atuuda to Link meaning making him an ally of the 14th because he is now the owner of Atuuda... :zomg

Edit --- Anyone else except me that noticed Link was hiding a blade behind his back/on his jacket? :teehee

KanouYuuki
April 05, 2012, 11:28 AM
Wow, it's been a while since I posted in DGM forums.

Anyway, this chapter was great! I love the pacing, the art was... *drools*... so superb! I mean, Zhu's and Llevie's clothes were so handsomely detailed! And the story left me hanging! I just love it!

Welcome back, DGM. :luv


BTW, will we finally get some back story on the 14th? The boy in the last page seemed to look like the 14th?

Mango-chan
April 05, 2012, 12:14 PM
My vote goes to the boy being Mana if only because he's been drawn in nearly the exact same pose already before, making that scene in a first-person view while the one before was just story tellin'.

Really curious what's so special about Nea for everyone to want him. I mean, he's being treated as some kind of genie with infinite wishes at the moment.

Bloody Queen
April 05, 2012, 12:23 PM
My vote goes to the boy being Mana if only because he's been drawn in nearly the exact same pose already before, making that scene in a first-person view while the one before was just story tellin'.

Really curious what's so special about Nea for everyone to want him. I mean, he's being treated as some kind of genie with infinite wishes at the moment.

But, Mango-chan, though Mana had been seen in the same position (206), in 187th Night, the Earl's sudden flashback on Nea showed Nea in the same position, the exact same position... :)

neah
April 05, 2012, 12:25 PM
Zhu talks about link "becomin the 14th" so if thats the case does that mean link is a sacrifice for the 14th so when cross says Allen has to kill the one he loves does that mean that link is the one Allen's going to kill therory.

BexXx
April 05, 2012, 12:44 PM
"I turned you in the 14th" (http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/213/17) ? What is Zuu trying to say?
The japanese script from 2ch is also messed up in that particular point ( from the way it was transcribed (the presence of that の in particular) it seems that what Lverrier is saying it's just part of Zuu's speach)
ズゥ「私は……! まんまとおまえを「14番目」の「ズゥ老師」
Zuu:"I... In the end I turned you into the 14th's..." "Master Zuu"

(green = Zuu's speaking, purple = Leverrier's speaking)

That's how I can interpret... what do you think?

I was really wondering about the meaning behind that actually! I just couldn't figure out what Zuu meant, but if it's actually what you say Zuu:"I... In the end I turned you into the 14th's..." then that makes bit more sense, like he is meant to be more important to the 14th's purpose or intended to be used by the 14th in a way...?

Coah
April 05, 2012, 02:46 PM
Something caught my eye when Cardinal said: "My Lord, "He" who carries the heart..." If he's not using "he" in general terms then that means the heart is a male, and that knocks Lenalee off the list of potential heart candidates. Not that it really narrows it down though, there's too many guys in DGM. xD

I also noticed something about the babies. The panel on the left with the two babies, they don't have as much hair on them; especially on the side of the head. Very unlike the one on the right side panel. None of the twins look like the baby the women is carrying. I wonder if there is no relation at all between the babies...

Bloomerwedgies
April 05, 2012, 02:48 PM
Ah, this chapter, such lovely artwork. Her attention to detail is truly a gorgeous thing to behold. *drools over scenery some more*
That last page...oh my. The lowering sky, the bleak landscape, the spookily beautiful house, and of course, the mysterious child. I don't even want to hazard a guess as to who exactly that is, haha.
The feel of things is getting ever more sinister as more and more pieces of the puzzle come to light. I must continually remind myself not to wonder how things could possibly get worse for these people since there's always a way. Welcome to Tragedy Farms, kids; we hope you enjoy your stay, and btw, you're never leaving

Remember when Allen first Noahed out when he impaled himself along with a level four, and he smiled that creepy little smile? It appears that Link smiles the exact same way after doing essentially the same thing...the difference being, of course, that Allen didn't think he was going to hurt himself, and Link knows he is actually killing himself. I mean, it's nearly identical, even down to the angle and the way their faces are half-obscured. I thought it was such...an eerie sort of smile at such a time. Like, "haha, got you..." *shudder*

Well, so I don't have nightmares, I'll have to think of something nice. Um, hmmm...Zhu's smoking jacket was fabulous! Now Allen and Link both have big weird golems, that's cute, they can race 'em! Kanda actually looking surprised by something, that's always a hoot.
Oh, hell this isn't working. *has a big sad*

REN KOUEN
April 05, 2012, 02:58 PM
this was an interesting chapter, i love how kaanda got up in howard links face. he isnt buying that link is on the run at all

which brings to questoin what is levellie's motive .....

and who is allen reaching out too???

and how did zuu get to link after the attack from apocyphos???

there are alot of questions left unanswered, but it was a pretty good chapter

i just wish it came out more often !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Namiz
April 05, 2012, 03:14 PM
and how did zuu get to link after the attack from apocyphos???

It was already shown few chapters ago when Allen escaped out of the prison, Zuu, Lvellie and others hurried to the prison after the loud explosion and after seeing Link's condition, Lvellie begged Zuu to save Link. Hope this answer your question ><;;

neah
April 05, 2012, 03:29 PM
Something caught my eye when Cardinal said: "My Lord, "He" who carries the heart..." If he's not using "he" in general terms then that means the heart is a male, and that knocks Lenalee off the list of potential heart candidates. Not that it really narrows it down though, there's too many guys ...
I deffinatley agree with you if in fact the heart is a male then it knocks of all the women it also knocks link off because other wise the apocrapper guy would not have tried to knock link off

MSofAofCOCA
April 05, 2012, 03:37 PM
From the spoilers, I expected there two be maybe 1 or 2 panels of Link without a shirt. But GEEZ!! so. much. fanservice!!! *drools*
I started liking his character a bit before the Timothy-arc, but his design has improved tremendously!
...I also think he should let his hair down more often. :cheez

Personally, I don't think Road is in any way related to Neah, aside from them both being Noah. Definitely not as their mother. Nuh-uh.
Hm. i think the boy on the last page is Neah. But it doesn't make sense. He looks like Neah to me. Ugh.

Anyone else notice the way Zhu got suddenly cut off telling Link about Atuda and the 14th, by Malcolm? I believe that what Zhu said about Atuda: "The magical spell that moves from person to person, disrupting the natural order of life." is going to haunt Link. He's not supposed to be alive. When he almost died from the Apocryphos, I thought that Malcolm was going to heal Link's body, but let Link's soul slip away, so that he could re-implant 14th's memories into Link's (now empty) body. Especially since Cross Marian has stated that he doesn't know how the transfer of memories is possible, but it is possible.
Now, I think Malcolm is still trying to do that. Except this time, Link's soul is still alive.

Also, from what Malcolm said, the 14th seems to have been a one-time deal, by being born from the Great War. I feel like if Neah had not transferred his memories, he would not have reincarnated this generation.

I also noticed that, according to what Apocryphos was mumbling to himself after "killing" Link, that apparently Apo is working for someone else who wants to keep the Heart safe, not directly under the Heart. From the way he said it, i understood that Apo will keep the "one who carries the Heart safe" by following his "Lord's" orders.
...Kinda connecting this to what Kanda said last chapter, about Crown Clown's bond with Allen being odd... I'm now slightly more on the "Allen is the Heart" boat.


As for Neah/Mana/Earl... I think that since Neah/14th were not supposed to technically exist, the Earl would not have know to look for Neah (unlike how he knew to look for say, Wisely). So, it's possible that Neah + Mana somehow got involved with Akuma. If Akuma can sense Noah's presence, it's possible that Neah and Mana were attacked accidentally, and Mana died (or was on the verge of death). At this point, i think the Earl finally got wind that zomg, there's a 14th Noah! and came to Neah and Mana. I think the Earl might've brought back Mana from the dead (remember how the skeleton body enters the body of the one who is mourning?) as an apology to Neah/ as a bribe to get him to join the family. This explains why Mana "suddenly" turned old in Reverse 3. His soul and memories (of being 17) got shoved into a middle-aged man's body. I think this might also explain why Allen's arm seemed to harm Mana in Reverse 3. Mana was brought back and hence was influence by Dark matter, but he wasn't changed into a complete Akuma.
This theory fits eveything for me. Everything but the reason the Earl and Mana look so alike. :(

One thing I am almost entirely sure of: There is no way this manga can have a happy ending. Heck, I don't even think a bitter-sweet ending is possible.

tgirl
April 05, 2012, 03:47 PM
Sorry, took me a bit of time to get back to you on this. ^_^


well it happened with Alma :P so why not xD order had to come up with some idea to do something like soul transfer...and that could have come out from central the 14th follower or spy...(just like cross learned magic from someone ^^)

Cross learned magic from the 14th, if I recall right. Well, at least the Akuma conversion spell. (And if my speculations about Allen end up being true, this will be very awkward/odd....)


about the age..well earl said that he and road are the only ones that did not reincarnate after neah killed everyone 35years ago... but we dont know if there is a limit of how long a noah can live... do they die a natral death and then reincarnate or can they live in 1body for centuries... it was not explained... but we know that noah do reincarnate so maybe does earl as was showed to be noah nr.01

Well, we at least know they reincarnate through the genes. It's hard to say anything else about this subject matter as, as you said, Hoshino didn't say anything as to how long the Noahs live. I speculate though, that they can get as old as a normal human's lifespan. Since they reincarnate through genes, even if the human body starts to decay, the Noahs can jump ship easily to the next body like poltergeist! (With the exception of Nea, who is special and may not be going through this kind of reincarnation system...)


about earl existence... ok he existed like rest of the noah for long long time...but we dont know when those 2twins were born... hoshino needs to explain it....it could be 40-50years ago... or it could be hundreds..... twins could have been born but one of them awakened the memories of Earl and become earl... kinda like that... and since they are twins hat share blood... the power could have started to awaken in both of them... but since there can be only 1earl neah ended up as the 14th (since he was born 2nd).... so this phenomena could have been the crack... that 2lives had the same fate but only 1could gain it

I think you're onto something here. o__o It would explain why there's a 14th Noah.., but, hmm... There has to be something really special about Nea for him to not be able to get Adam's memories.


other wild theory why earl looks the same as mana might be that after neah appeared earl noticed neahs close relantionship with his brother mana and become jeloous... so maybe in order to fool neah he took the form of mana.... kinda like I look like mana so neah will like me too for sure :P

damn and so we need to wait for a month... and I really hoipe that we will get thisd dream flashback and not again link-kanda stuff...

*scratches head* Not sure about the Earl taking interest in two siblings' close relationship unless he yearns for something, but hey.. It's your wild theory. :D I'm in the "Mana = Earl for real" camp so we shall see.

And yes! More Nea/Allen flashback! More!! Mooore!!

Kalyra
April 05, 2012, 04:19 PM
Does anyone remember the old man Lvellie talked about...? im not sure which chapter
He said the old man has inherited the will of the 14th or something.
Maybe it was Zhu?
I havent reread D.gray man in a long time...

Really exiting chapter :derp The wait for the next one is going to kill me.

REN KOUEN
April 05, 2012, 05:00 PM
It was already shown few chapters ago when Allen escaped out of the prison, Zuu, Lvellie and others hurried to the prison after the loud explosion and after seeing Link's condition, Lvellie begged Zuu to save Link. Hope this answer your question ><;;

aah i remember that now, what is more interesting is what zuu said to link about now he is the 14th or something to that effect

not sure at all what is going on....

jennjenn
April 05, 2012, 05:05 PM
Hey! I'd forgotten about that!
Here's the page where we see the tent: http://www.mangareader.net/210-15228-15/dgray-man/chapter-137.html
hmmm, the asian-feel to the tent makes me think it's probably zhu (possibly)
More importantly, Lvellie says that the 14th passed on his "Powers" ....so maybe the Atuuda is just one of the 14th's ability's that he's passed on to who knows how many people!?
He puts his most important ability in Allen and Timcampy, we know that for sure :D

Coah
April 05, 2012, 05:35 PM
I deffinatley agree with you if in fact the heart is a male then it knocks of all the women it also knocks link off because other wise the apocrapper guy would not have tried to knock link off

err... no? Link is not an exorcist so therefore, was never a candiate for the heart.

neah
April 05, 2012, 05:52 PM
err... no? Link is not an exorcist so therefore, was never a candiate for the heart.

Ooops sorry that was a total accident was not thinking clearly :derp but I do agree the possibility of any women being the heart goes down But wait why would the apocrapper guy try and kill link if there was a chance he could be used to protect the heart. Why kill someone as powerful as a crow

fuff
April 05, 2012, 06:35 PM
did i read this right?! page 16...link as turned into the 14th?? wtf??

Coah
April 05, 2012, 06:37 PM
Ooops sorry that was a total accident was not thinking clearly :derp but I do agree the possibility of any women being the heart goes down But wait why would the apocrapper guy try and kill link if there was a chance he could be used to protect the heart. Why kill someone as powerful as a crow

Probably because the Cardinal didn't want Leverrier to know about his actions just yet? But, for some reason after Link woke up he couldn't remember anything about the Apocryphos... just the "Noah" showing up. I suppose Apo erased his memories? If so, then it's still questionable on what his true attentions were. Leverrier and Apo don't seem to be on good terms at all so it could be possible Apo was just trying to get to decrease his competition.

capricorn
April 05, 2012, 07:52 PM
did i read this right?! page 16...link as turned into the 14th?? wtf??

Yes you read it right, but what you're thinking it means is wrong. What happened was that Zu never got to finish what he was saying. I think he was going for something like: I've made you into the Fourteenth's (pocessive noun) __something__ and then he was cut off when Leverior entered the room. But that's what I deduced from it. Its a common dialogue stategy in d gray man where people get cut off mid sentence right before they give us the most important detail LOL!

Suddenly Akuma
April 05, 2012, 09:51 PM
LINK, Y U SO PRETTY?! Also, I really like Crazy Eye Kanda.
I'll formulate something intelligent in my next post.... maybe.


Hey! I'd forgotten about that!
Here's the page where we see the tent: http://www.mangareader.net/210-15228-15/dgray-man/chapter-137.html
hmmm, the asian-feel to the tent makes me think it's probably zhu (possibly)
I don't think it's possible for that to have been Zhu, for two reasons.
1. That 14th Collaborator came to the Ordar/Central seeking sanctuary(meaning he probably hasn't been in their protection for more than 35 years). The Chang family has been with the Order since the founding of the Asia Branch, meaning Zhu would have been with the Order for most - if not the entirety - of his life.
2. The person shown in that panel is quite thin and obviously very sickly. Zhu was still up and about and fine at that point(and also quite heavy-looking). It was even suggested that Zhu was the one who reforged Kanda's sword after it broke during the battle on the Ark.

But wait why would the apocrapper guy try and kill link if there was a chance he could be used to protect the heart. Why kill someone as powerful as a crow
Link is obviously still loyal to Lvellie to an extent. No matter who the Heart's Wielder turns out to be, Link might not protect them if it might go against one of Lvellie's orders.


Edit --- Hold on, the Cardinal said, "He who holds the Heart..." He? HE? The Heart's accomodator (if it needs/has one) is a male?

Something caught my eye when Cardinal said: "My Lord, "He" who carries the heart..." If he's not using "he" in general terms then that means the heart is a male, and that knocks Lenalee off the list of potential heart candidates. Not that it really narrows it down though, there's too many guys in DGM. xD

I deffinatley agree with you if in fact the heart is a male then it knocks of all the women
Actually, the gender of the Heart's wielder (or whoever Apo was talking about/to) is still up in the air. I checked the transcript (since I wasn't able to find the actual chapter in Japanese), and what Apo says in that panel is "My Master. The "Heart's" Ally. Yes... I will protect you without fail."

relory
April 06, 2012, 05:40 AM
Lol, for some reason Lvellie's thin disguise (?) makes me giggle xD As did the "casual" coversation between Kanda and Link ("I'm surprised you would worry about me." "I don't. :hip" xD And I like that little shot of (http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/213/27) Link's dagger..thing, ready to strike..

It's interesting that the Cardinal appearantly "talks" with the Heart user (through telepathy?), if I'm reading it right :P If that's so, it leaves out almost all the "known" candidates we've discussed up to this date, like Lenalee, Allen, Lavi, Johnny.. etc :D It would then have to be either one of the still enigmatic characters (a la Cross), or a new character who is yet to be introduced (the Pope, maybe? If the Heart is known and protected within the Order's "elite" and has a "high" ranking position as a Order-version of the Earl. But then again, the Heart is supposed to be unknown and hidden.. ah, we'll see xD) :oh Unfortunaly, the gender of the Heart user wasn't specified in the Japanese transcript (it says something like "the person of the heart"/"the Heart's person", rather than "he who carries the heart")...

AAHHH!! What Zuu is saying about the "14th" on page 17 (http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/213/17) drives me nuts! :arf I just can't make it fit, and I can't really translate it better myself xD I guess I have 3 interpretations though:


If the translation is correct in "meaning", then maybe he's actually "speaking" to/about Allen? :blink In that case it could mean that he really wanted to save "Allen" (he helped him using atuuda once before (http://www.mangareader.net/210-55026-27/dgray-man/chapter-196.html)), not the 14th, and thought that saving Link it would help him, but instead he realised that Lvellie didn't bother with "Allen" at all. Lvellie would actually want Allen eroded by the 14th, because he thinks the Noah will help him reach his goal.
If the translation is more like "I turned you into the 14th's-", then it's pretty similar, only with Link instead of Allen xD Zuu was convinced by Lvellie to save Link, probably because Lvellie had shown his more... caring side? :cheez (http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/205/11) But then he realised Lvellie's "true" intentions, that him actually caring about Link was all an act oh but it's nooot<3, that he basically plans to "sacrifice" two youths (Link and Allen) for the sake of his own goals
It's also very likely that Zuu was going to spill some secrets that of course HAD to be interrupted :p


@Bloody Queen, sorry for being late, but Desu is sort of (gah, how to explain! xD)... a word that binds sentences together? The closest English translation would be "to be", but it's more like an "sentence-ending" that suggests politeness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorific_speech_in_Japanese#Polite_language) ^^ If you've seen the anime, you may have noticed how Allen uses "desu" and "masu" all. the. time. :nuts It's almost a little annoying when you start hearing it :derp

... I'm not sure if I understand anything I've written in this post haha, they always become so loong xD *should get some sleep* >.<

Bloomerwedgies
April 06, 2012, 08:48 AM
Lol, for some reason Lvellie's thin disguise (?) makes me giggle

AAHHH!! What Zuu is saying about the "14th" on page 17 (http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/213/17) drives me nuts! :arf I just can't make it fit, and I can't really translate it better myself xD

It's also very likely that Zuu was going to spill some secrets that of course HAD to be interrupted :p


LOL
I know, right?! That one little line there is driving me nuts.
The 14th's what? Administrative assistant? Bridge partner? Image consultant?? WHAT?! Poor Zhu, seems like even he is afraid of Lvellie now--Not that I can blame him. That sudden violent flip out of his really startled me, especially since it came out of freakin' nowhere. "Chat, chat, here's some money and about jillion knives--I know how you kids like your knives--oh, and here's some bling too, you need to accessorize. Chat, chat, etc.....SUDDENLY!! ZOMG RANT, CONSPIRACIES, THREATENING SCREENTONES, ETHICS VIOLATIONS, TAKE OVER THE WORLD BWAH HA HA HAAAA MURDER FACE!!11!" :eek

Missing from scene: Lvellie's "You don't have to be crazy to work here, but it helps!" coffee mug.

Bloody Queen
April 06, 2012, 10:50 AM
LOL
I know, right?! That one little line there is driving me nuts.
The 14th's what? Administrative assistant? Bridge partner? Image consultant?? WHAT?! Poor Zhu, seems like even he is afraid of Lvellie now--Not that I can blame him. That sudden violent flip out of his really startled me, especially since it came out of freakin' nowhere. "Chat, chat, here's some money and about jillion knives--I know how you kids like your knives--oh, and here's some bling too, you need to accessorize. Chat, chat, etc.....SUDDENLY!! ZOMG RANT, CONSPIRACIES, THREATENING SCREENTONES, ETHICS VIOLATIONS, TAKE OVER THE WORLD BWAH HA HA HAAAA MURDER FACE!!11!" :eek

Missing from scene: Lvellie's "You don't have to be crazy to work here, but it helps!" coffee mug.

For me, I think that Atuuda was original belong to the 14th, so if Link is the new owner of Atuuda, it could make him the "14th's ally/puppet/soldier..." :teehee

Edit --- I don't know how to make lists... but here's what I found suspicious in this chapter:

- Cardinal: "Yes... My lord... he who carries the Heart... I'll protect you..."
(Original Transcript: "Yes... My lord... he who is an ally of the Heart..."
- We see a single, small panel reserved for Johnny only
- Zhu: "Instead, I turned you into the 14th's —"
- Rouvelier: "Ignore Allen Walker... he needs help, he; the fourteenth."
Apparently, this needs another list:
   • 14th is a crack/rift created from the Holy War
   • Cross actually made a secret pact with Rouvelier and told him about the fourteenth (Well, it could be a fluke... you never know what Cross has ups his sleeve...) :derp
   • 14th could be used for turning the table in the war
   • Some people in Central want to use him for their own purposes
   • Rouvelier isolated and locked Allen down for that reason. He wants the 14th for himself (Ew... does he know that Allen is a minor?)
   • Rouvelier with longer hair is handsome :chair
   • Rouvelier seems to be a good guy... :imslow
   • We can see the somewhat father-son bonding in that conversation... But he's still suspicious... and has a dark aura around him, in my opinion...
- Link ran away from the punishment for Crows that had failed, but he still devout to Rouvelier
- Link hid a blade behind his back/in his pocket :eek
- Link wanted to see, "If people can, with just their hearts, win against fate... If Walker somehow is able to overcome the 14th, what make it happen... I want to see it!" (Okay, I'm too lazy to actually copy-paste/look the chapter, this is from memory...) so we can conclude that Link may stay in Allen side... for the moment... :blink
- The woman is Allen's dream/memory of the 14th
   • "One by one, then the next..."
   • We see twins babies... :blai
- The boy in the last page, so are the mansion, the surrounding wheat fields, and the hand the boy stretched out to...

Nya... my mind went dead...

Edit 2 --- What a number of suspicious points... Hoshino never fail in surprising us, huh? :jk

Edit 3 --- Wait, wait, wait, wait! What does it mean by "the unfamiliar scene"? Is it familiar or unfamiliar?

Bloomerwedgies
April 06, 2012, 12:17 PM
For me, I think that Atuuda was original belong to the 14th, so if Link is the new owner of Atuuda, it could make him the "14th's ally/puppet/soldier..." :teehee

Hee hee...Timcanpy is originally the 14th's too, right? I wonder if they are friends or if they'll have little golem squabbles. Tim is the jealous type, haha. "Calm down or you get the squirt bottle! Separate corners, you two!!"


• Rouvelier with longer hair is handsome
• Rouvelier seems to be a good guy...
• We can see the somewhat father-son bonding in that conversation... But he's still suspicious... and has a dark aura around him, in my opinion...

haha, totally. With that disheveled hair and Byronian ascot he's sure got that "mad, bad, and dangerous to know" thing going on.
I feel sorry for poor Link...I'm sure he thinks of Lvellie as a father and he looks absolutely miserable to see him getting consumed by his "win at all costs" fanaticism. It's like, everyone he cares about is disappearing to the war one by one. I have a feeling he might end up going against Lvellie for...well, probably the first time ever, because I don't think he wants to lose Allen now too.
I didn't think it was possible for anyone to have looked more depressed than Kanda did during chapter 212, but Link's giving him a run for his money in the despair department.
:scry

deleted
May 10, 2012, 10:14 AM
I'm sorry- seems I just was away way too long.... I can't find the reply button in the new thread for the next chapter. XD But i found some scans. Seems like this month there won't be any long chapters. TT^TT Kind of dissapointing if you ask me.... http://www.dm5.com/m103062/

Asclepius
May 10, 2012, 10:26 AM
There is no DGM chapter this month.
What you found is the extra chapter that came with volume 23 and the extras from SQ19. You can find them in raw and scanlated by some of our members in the DGM Volume Covers Thread.

Furore
May 19, 2012, 12:47 PM
OH MY GAWD NAAAAAOOOWW!! DX
there goes my holidays' entertainment T-T
hoshino sensei, please get well soon T-T meanwhile i hope she can do some interviews while she's ill, especially re_opening the komui's discussion room!

anyway, i was thinking that perhaps zhu maybe hallucinating link as allen, hence making the comment "Instead, I turned you into the 14th's ". if its so, it might be an explanation to how the 14th input the memories into allen despite the time gap? just a thought^^

ca12nag3
May 28, 2012, 03:26 PM
OH MY GAWD NAAAAAOOOWW!! DX
there goes my holidays' entertainment T-T
hoshino sensei, please get well soon T-T meanwhile i hope she can do some interviews while she's ill, especially re_opening the komui's discussion room!

anyway, i was thinking that perhaps zhu maybe hallucinating link as allen, hence making the comment "Instead, I turned you into the 14th's ". if its so, it might be an explanation to how the 14th input the memories into allen despite the time gap? just a thought^^

that line could also mean that when Zhu healed Allen he healed him back but gave way for the 14th to emerge. Thus turning him into the 14th. Nothing special i think.