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[DarkLordOfKichiku]

This week's cover is up at the artists's hompage!:

http://blog.naver.com/tdstudio/100152821809

"Hey! What'chu looking at!? I may be like this, but I can still kick your ass!"

... That's totally what the cover tells me :smile-big

[thornofcarrion]

Haha, so hard to comment on the cover. I'd like to see how she looks in colors.

[kidopitz27]

i think Shioon will visit Jinie on the hospital with a lot of bodyguards or even the elder kwon himself

[ZERO PHOENIX]

Wow, is there anything that Jinie doesn't look hot in? :p

[FrostyMouse]

I don't know, I've never really been entertained by Jinie. I'd rather this were more Sera-focused. The naked apron reference is probably the most memorable part of all of NW.

[NAM61]

Wow, is there anything that Jinie doesn't look hot in? :p

i agree imo she is one of the best looking females in the the manga. the nothing beats her french maid outfit look

i hope in this chapter the doctor finally shows up with a cure for shwoon or the old mans comes up with an idea.

[GOOMOONRYONG]

I hope we get to see some interaction this week between Jini and Shioon. They will both blush and she will say something like "you idiot why did you risk your life etc". I'm sure she has already heard what happened from either Kwon or Ha-Ill by now. We might even get to see some new teachers within the Sunwoo Clan :D, I wouldn't mind some new character introductions.

[revennge]

I don't know, I've never really been entertained by Jinie. I'd rather this were more Sera-focused. The naked apron reference is probably the most memorable part of all of NW.

It seems that we are on the same boat. Still, nice cover overall.

[ZERO PHOENIX]

Eh, Sera is cute but those ears..., she looks like a car coming down the street with both doors open. :p I'd like to see Shioon undergoing some training in the next chapter. More than likely however he's probably going to have to reel it in. I'm fairly certain that we should be seeing the side-effects from him doping pretty soon.

[Wowzers]

I think that next issue will have Sera trying to get in touch with Shioon, pulling in all the favors she can, but then Shioon will walk in the front door. Not only was she worried about Shioon, but she still has the news about his mother to give him. Better it comes from her first before the Sunwoo find out.

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

It's out!:

http://cartoon.media.daum.net/webtoon/viewer/15705

[revennge]

Uh oh, not good. Waiting for translation but the situation does not look good. What most of as though came to be truth...

[LoS]

I need a translation cuz it seems a pretty boring chapter, more of resurrecting someone from the dead, she needs to stay dead period. Although, it was good to see that sinister smile on the homeless doctor. Jinnie and Shioon being awkward, boring yet again.

And Shioon's mother being in ICU which isn't a surprise at all.

[nanoclarkology]

I think I need a translation. And although I can't read it for some reason I think the quack doc went to the homeless doc and wants more blood. I wonder what the conversation between ha-I'll and sera was? Looking forward to a trans.

[LoS]

probably her trying to get a meeting with Shioon, which she mentioned last chapter, and since she knows about his Mother she will use that to get the meeting.

[svyatoslav]

Well, at least we know his mother is alive so that's good.

[ghostexiled]

Surely I am not the only one... but does anyone else feel that the doctor with the ball cap might be the 9 arts dragon?

I am curious as to why someone would make a move on Shion's mom?

I mean, S.U.C has no reason to...

My only guess is that it is some of the Murium that still see Shion as an outlet for their revenge against the 9 arts dragon.

[4ghost]

There have been others that have shared that sentiment about the doctor, but I don't think it is likely. I think it would be too far fetched for one person to hold two distinctly different renowned names.

As for his mother, I doubt she was specifically targeted by the SUC or anyone. That is not to say that the SUC isn't responsible for her current condition. It's just necessary for us to remember that the SUC are pretty much acting as common criminals. They rob, steal, murder, rape targeting banks, people, businesses regardless of whether they are associated with Murim or not. His mother being a boss of some restaurant or something could have easily have gotten in the way of any SUC thugs target.

[8Psycho]

As for his mother, I doubt she was specifically targeted by the SUC or anyone. That is not to say that the SUC isn't responsible for her current condition. It's just necessary for us to remember that the SUC are pretty much acting as common criminals. They rob, steal, murder, rape targeting banks, people, businesses regardless of whether they are associated with Murim or not. His mother being a boss of some restaurant or something could have easily have gotten in the way of any SUC thugs target.Like this, it is rather believable.

As for the doctor.. 9AD? what the heck? You mean person or title? It's nonsense anyway!

[ghostexiled]

the only reason I come to this hypothesis is due to the fact that the doc's eyes are always covered by his hair.

I mean the 9AD has the same length of hair.

I am sure it is unlikely... but it was just a thought that crossed my mind.

[misogum]

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[Iti]

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[DarkLordOfKichiku]

Interesting. Shioon's ki, created by the Illwallsindan saved Goomoonryong in Part 1. And now in Part 2, the key to revive Shiho might be his Illwallsindan-enchanted blood...

Heh, typical of Jinie, always running head-first into things without thinking :amuse

Hmm, Shioon's mom, eh... Well, it was pretty much expected.

[NAM61]

good chapter wonder who hurt shwoons mother. dont think it was the suc why would they hurt her but they could have been sent to hurt shwoons mother to mess with shwoon. also shwoon went to the hospital to see about a surgery to fix his ki center nice i would not be surprise if the homeless doctor conducts the surgery to get more of shwoons blood for shiho.

[Monsterguy]

Things aren't looking good...:iik

Shioon might go hysterical seeing his mother unconscious. The relationship between Sera and Shioon might be splushed down the river, and all there could remain is Sera's one sided affection to Shioon. Later Shioon would not be able to trust her 100% anymore, so even if they make up, they would be friends "at best"...:crying

I hope for the best, why I love "Shioon x Sera" relationship...:hurr:love

My prediction (what I hope that will happen "instead" of the "first scenario"):
*"First scenario": Where Shioon starts hating Sera for not telling him about his mother beforehand, but later when everything is revealed he becomes "just / only" friends with her once again (IN MY OPPINION THIS IS MOST LIKELY SCENARIO THAT WILL HAPPEN !!!).

Shioon comes to visit Sera running in her room, and immediately after opening the door:

Shioon: Hey, Sera please tell me you know where my mom is !?

Sera: Yes, I know where she is.

Shioon: Ah, thx god. So, where is she ???

Sera: Here in a hospital.

Shioon all frustrated/confused: Uuu...What !? Why, is she in a hospital ???

Sera: We are treating her.

Shioon: You are lying right ?

Sera: No.

Shioon yelling: I want to see her !!! Take me to her !!!

Sera grabs Shioon's arm and runs to the a room that has a bulletproof window (like the interrogation room from detectives).

Shioon with both hands on a window shows tears: Mom, what happened !?

Sera clings to Shioon's back, and hugs him aroud the neck: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm really sorry. We wanted to protect her, but we were to late. The restaurant your mother was in charge of got attacked by those skeleton guys.

Shioon's all body shivering: No this can't be reall. This is a dream.

Sera still clinging on Shioon's back, with closed eyes remembering how she suffered when she lost her dad: No, this is reality. Your mother is currently unconscious, but we are giving her the best treatment possibile.

Shioon falls on his knees and while crying and holding Sera's arms with both hands: What have I done. First, I involved my friends into this mess, and now even my own family got hurt. I'm the worst !!!

Sera: Everything will be fine, your mother will wake up and the criminals will meet the justice.

Shioon stops crying: Sera, I will become stronger and avenge those hooligans.

Shioon stands up and makes fists: To SUC people, days are counted/numberd !!!

Sera still clinging on Shioon's back: Shioon, I'm sorry I dragged you into all this mess to begin with. I'm really, really sorry. Please let me handle things from now on.

Shioon: Thank you, Sera but you don't have take all the burden on yourself. It would be to much for you to handle alone.

Shioon takes Sera's hands off his neck and closes both of her arms(as if she would want to pray), so that she becomes stuned/frozen (unable to move, think or speak).

Than Shioon places his hand on glass from the room where his mom is, and after that leaves.

After that Sera snaps out of it (remembering how she wanted to kill GMR herself, but only ended up hurting others), runs on the hall and screams: WAIT !!!

An underling from Sera's clan: Is there something wrong miss Sera ?

Sera lowers her head: No it's nothing...

Shioon comes out of the door from the hospital and meets the doctor(the one that first gave Shioon the medicine to temporarely use ki in "The Breaker New Waves"), who also left the same hospital as Shioon.

Yi Gyu-Bum escorting Shioon closes the door from the hospital.

Shioon screams: Hey doctor !?

Doctor looks bacward: Huh !?

Shioon: Oh, Yi Gyu-Bum meet the doctor, who gave me the medicine that helped me to temporarly use my ki again.

Yi Gyu-Bum: I deeply appreciate your help, if there is anything you want in return just tell me. Also if you have any info on how to help to restore this buys ki center Shinwoo clan will award you greatly.

Doctor: Hmm, you are telling me you will do anything, if I help restore Shioon's ki center ???

Yi Gyu-Bum shocked, becouse even the best doctors said this is a "mission imposibile": Does that mean there is a way !?

Doctor: There might be a way, but it will be dangerous, this boy has unnaturaly a lot of ki stored inside of him. If we make that ki flow in reverse as in ki distribution, than we could istead of healing the body heal the ki center directly. But this will be painful !!!

Shioon in his mind: :iik That "painfull" word worries me a little !!!

Doctor: Wow, wow but hold your horses. Shioon you know what i want in return right ?

Shioon all frightened: eek, you vampire...:gwah

Yi Gyu-Bum jumps in front of Shioon: I won't permit you to hurt our head-nim.

Shioon: It's ok, Yi Gyu-Bum. But is this really all you want from me doctor ???

Doctor with a smile on his face: Yes, Shioon if you didn't know your blood is really valuable, especialy from a point of view if it's handled by somebody that knows with what he's dealing with.

Shioon: ???

Yi Gyu-Bum: So Shioon's ki center really can be healed ???

Doctor: Let's just say that there is at least a chance, compared to any normal human who could never even dream about something like this.

Shioon: ??? (What are they talking about)

THE END

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

dont think it was the suc why would they hurt her but they could have been sent to hurt shwoons mother to mess with shwoon.

I don't think the SUC would've hurt her had they KNOWN that she's Shioon's mother. If they attacked her, then most likely they didn't know who they attacked... It's also possible that she simply got in an accident in no way related to the Murim or the SUC. Guess it could also be possible that it was an attack by Murim with agrude towards Goomoonryong, even if that possibility seems really small...


also shwoon went to the hospital to see about a surgery to fix his ki center nice i would not be surprise if the homeless doctor conducts the surgery to get more of shwoons blood for shiho.

The doctor did say before that fixing a ki-cente ris impossible though. However, it's likely that we'll now see a (or maybe more than one) much more powerful version of the pill Shioon currently uses, so we have a mutually benefical relationship for all three parties here: Shioon gives blood to the doctor, who gives him stronger pills, doctor gives blood to Won Jae in exchange for use of his labs and high-grade ingredents for the pill... It's also possible that Shioon will hire the doctor to treat Ji Gun and maybe also his mother...

[FrostyMouse]

Things aren't looking good...:iik

Shioon might go hysterical seeing his mother unconscious. The relationship between Sera and Shioon might be splushed down the river, and all there could remain is Sera's one sided affection to Shioon. Later Shioon would not be able to trust her 100% anymore, so even if they make up, they would be friends "at best"...:crying

I hope for the best, why I love "Shioon x Sera" relationship...:hurr:love

My prediction (what I hope that will happen "instead" of the "first scenario"):
*"First scenario": Where Shioon starts hating Sera for not telling him about his mother beforehand, but later when everything is revealed he becomes "just / only" friends with her once again (IN MY OPPINION THIS IS MOST LIKELY SCENARIO THAT WILL HAPPEN !!!).

Shioon comes to visit Sera running in her room, and immediately after opening the door:

Shioon: Hey, Sera please tell me you know where my mom is !?

Sera: Yes, I know where she is.

Shioon: Ah, thx god. So, where is she ???

Sera: Here in a hospital.

Shioon all frustrated/confused: Uuu...What !? Why, is she in a hospital ???

Sera: We are treating her.

Shioon: You are lying right ?

Sera: No.

Shioon yelling: I want to see her !!! Take me to her !!!

Sera grabs Shioon's arm and runs to the a room that has a bulletproof window (like the interrogation room from detectives).

Shioon with both hands on a window shows tears: Mom, what happened !?

Sera clings to Shioon's back, and hugs him aroud the neck: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm really sorry. We wanted to protect her, but we were to late. The restaurant your mother was in charge of got attacked by those skeleton guys.

Shioon's all body shivering: No this can't be reall. This is a dream.

Sera still clinging on Shioon's back, with closed eyes remembering how she suffered when she lost her dad: No, this is reality. Your mother is currently unconscious, but we are giving her the best treatment possibile.

Shioon falls on his knees and while crying and holding Sera's arms with both hands: What have I done. First, I involved my friends into this mess, and now even my own family got hurt. I'm the worst !!!

Sera: Everything will be fine, your mother will wake up and the criminals will meet the justice.

Shioon stops crying: Sera, I will become stronger and avenge those hooligans.

Shioon stands up and makes fists: To SUC people, days are counted/numberd !!!

Sera still clinging on Shioon's back: Shioon, I'm sorry I dragged you into all this mess to begin with. I'm really, really sorry. Please let me handle things from now on.

Shioon: Thank you, Sera but you don't have take all the burden on yourself. it would be to much for you to handle.

Shioon takes Seras hands off hi neck and closes both of her arms(as if she would want to pray), so that she becomes stuned/frozen (unable to move, think or speak).

Than Shioon places his hand on glass from the room where his mom is, and after that leaves.

After that Sera snaps out of it (remembering how she wanted to kill GMR herself, but only ended up hurting others), runs on the hall and screams: WAIT !!!

An underling from Sera's clan: Is there something wrong miss Sera ?

Sera lowers her head: No it's nothing...

Shioon comes out of the door from the hospital and meets the doctor(the one that first gave Shioon the medicine to temporarely use ki in "The Breaker New Waves"), who also left the same hospital as Shioon.

Yi Gyu-Bum escorting Shioon closes the door from the hospital.

Shioon screams: Hey doctor !?

Doctor looks bacward: Huh !?

Shioon: Oh, Yi Gyu-Bum meet the doctor, who gave me the medicine that helped me to temporarly use my ki again.

Yi Gyu-Bum: I deeply appreciate your help, if there is anything you want in return just tell me. Also if you have any info on how to help to restore this buys ki center Shinwoo clan will award you greatly.

Doctor: Hmm, you are telling me you will do anything, if I help restore Shioon's ki center ???

Yi Gyu-Bum shocked, becouse even the best doctors said this is a "mission imposibile": Does that mean there is a way !?

Doctor: There might be a way, but it will be dangerous, this boy has unnaturaly a lot of ki stored inside of him. If we make that ki flow in reverse as in ki distribution, than we could istead of healing the body heal the ki center directly. But this will be painful !!!

Shioon in his mind: :iik That "painfull" word worries me a little !!!

Doctor: Wow, wow but hold your horses. Shioon you know what i want in return right ?

Shioon all frightened: eek, you vampire...:gwah

Yi Gyu-Bum jumps in front of Shioon: I won't permit you to hurt our head-nim.

Shioon: It's ok, Yi Gyu-Bum. But is this really all you want from me doctor ???

Doctor with a smile on his face: Yes, Shioon if you didn't know your blood is really valuable, especialy from a point of view if it's handled by somebody that knows with what he's dealing with.

Shioon: ???

Yi Gyu-Bum: So shioon's ki center really can be healed ???

Doctor: Let's just say that there is at least a chance, compared to any normal human who could never even dream about something like this.

Shioon: ??? (What are they talking about)

THE END

I'd give this a chance of happening, but not over the space of one chapter. We'll see. This chapter was kind of boring and slow, but it probably had to happen, so...

[Shinsatsu]

Damn! Was that Shi-Ho-Lee ? OMFG ... please tell me I'm wrong O_O

[ZERO PHOENIX]

I really enjoyed this chapter. It's good to have chapters like this and considering all the action that's been going on, Shioon needed a break. I won't lie, on that panel where Shioon asked Jinie if she was the one who was crying I nearly squeed like a school girl. I was hoping they would meet up sooner rather than later. Glad to see everyone is on the same page but I'm sad to see Shioon's mother in the state that she's in. Granted she's not dead but being comatose (I assume she is) isn't that comforting. I wonder what happened to her.

[svyatoslav]

As for his mother, I doubt she was specifically targeted by the SUC or anyone. That is not to say that the SUC isn't responsible for her current condition. It's just necessary for us to remember that the SUC are pretty much acting as common criminals. They rob, steal, murder, rape targeting banks, people, businesses regardless of whether they are associated with Murim or not. His mother being a boss of some restaurant or something could have easily have gotten in the way of any SUC thugs target.

I agree, she probably got caught up in one of the many indiscriminate SUC attacks, whether at the restaurant she manages or just on the street during commute.

Also, I'm starting to wonder whether Shioon's regenerative ability is all down to the Illwallsindan or if there is something about him or the Black Heaven and Earth technique that enhances said ability. I guess it could be that the Illwallsindan is really all that special but then the guy trying to resurrect Shiho would know about it and attempt to use it on her since his school is the one who made those pills.

[GOOMOONRYONG]

I don't think this was a bad chapter at all, we learned a few things. Shioon's blood made shiho respond with a heartbeat or something maybe temperature increase? Glad to know that Shioon's mother is alive, I'll bet she remains unconscious for the rest of part 2 and maybe even into part 3. Now Shioon will be able to dive right into being a Murim person 100%. He will know that his mother is in great care and safe where she is. Glad to see the doctor working hard at making a medicine/something that will fix Shioon's ki center. Once he recovers Shioon is going to be on scary mother fucker espeically if his speed shoots up.

[kidopitz27]

it will be awesome if the Shop(not the maid cafe) that Shioon got a fight with the bully dude(forgot the name) and SUC skulls on the previous chapter is her mothers :P

and if SUC is really behind that attack god knows what shioon will do .Shioon is already at the hospital to fix his ki center ....... and also the doctor wants more blood sample it's either he making a new type of One Moon Divine Dan to be like mass produce for either Shioon or for SUC

[Charlie]

Surely I am not the only one... but does anyone else feel that the doctor with the ball cap might be the 9 arts dragon?

I am curious as to why someone would make a move on Shion's mom?

I mean, S.U.C has no reason to...

My only guess is that it is some of the Murium that still see Shion as an outlet for their revenge against the 9 arts dragon.

Although right now I am leaning towards that they're two different people. I thought the as well before when the doc was first introduced - I also think there is a resemblance. Regarding the reason behind hurting ShiWoon's mom, I think the one that may have hurt ShiWoon's mom could have been Chang Ho?

[GOOMOONRYONG]

it will be awesome if the Shop(not the maid cafe) that Shioon got a fight with the bully dude(forgot the name) and SUC skulls on the previous chapter is her mothers :P

and if SUC is really behind that attack god knows what shioon will do .Shioon is already at the hospital to fix his ki center ....... and also the doctor wants more blood sample it's either he making a new type of One Moon Divine Dan to be like mass produce for either Shioon or for SUC

I doubt he would give it to the SUC, he needs Shioon's blood so he must stay on good terms with him. The doctor seems like a smart guy and the blood seems to be amazing so he has to keep his word. I can't wait until Shioon doesn't need pills to use his ki anymore, if he trains for 3 months he will be a complete beast.

[matzik1212]

WOw so Shioon's blood did have an effect after all . Well he has a special type of blood now after taking that egg in the 1st part.I'm kinda glad seeing there's a chance for Shiho to be revived . Though i must say that Won-Jae is freaking me out . He kinda lost it after so many failed attempts to revive her :amuse
I'm starting to fear for Shioon . The guy is capable to take all Shioon's blood to resurrect Shiho lol.

On the other hand I'm glad Jinie is alright and we saw her this chapter . The parts with her were hilarious especially the reaction she had when Shioon suddenly pooped up exactly when she had the darkest thoughts concerning his safety . And then she suddenly started running and dragging Shioon after her :rofl Just awesome really !And what was that with the surgery :shifty I really would have wanted to see another way for his Ki center to be fixed *sigh*


About Shioon's mother, as we feared she indeed is in a grave situation , i wonder what is the reason for her losing her conscience ? And now she even was kidnapped by someone , probably the SUC :( . Shioon is gonna be so pissed about this . Sera was wrong to hide that fact to him . I mean come on she was his mother for god's sake . We don't know if he has a father so she was his only family . That was cruel IMO ! Hate her for that


Overall nice chapter , can't wait for the next one as usual :^_^

[NAM61]

thinking about it the person who hates shwoon the most is the bully he beat. he would be capable of hurting shwoons mother if he cant beat shwoon physically he can make him hurt by attacking his mother.

[nanoclarkology]

I think Shioon needs to give a squirt of his blood to ji-gun, Jinie, and his mother they could single handedly recover over night. I liked this chapter and I think that the hobo doc will make an appearance to the loud elder. Then he could do some freak tests outright on Shioon. Maybe he will backstab that guy trying to ress Shiho. I liked Shiho she is the one who made GMR do some crazy stuff in the first part. I still remember the phone call "what would happen if I feed this thing to someone who has no inner ki". Or something like that. I think Shioon is too forgiving to hold a grudge against Sera. And for some reason I think the Sunwoo is about to get stronger with the addition of the old lady and her entire clan.....

[svyatoslav]

About Shioon's mother, as we feared she indeed is in a grave situation , i wonder what is the reason for her losing her conscience ? And now she even was kidnapped by someone , probably the SUC :( . Shioon is gonna be so pissed about this . Sera was wrong to hide that fact to him . I mean come on she was his mother for god's sake . We don't know if he has a father so she was his only family . That was cruel IMO ! Hate her for that


I don't think she was kidnapped, it is just the SunWoo clan can't find her because she is in Sera's hospital. Still, that was too cold-hearted of Sera to keep that info from him while he trained which is one of the reasons I dislike her.

[Hiro Hayase]

I don't think she was kidnapped, it is just the SunWoo clan can't find her because she is in Sera's hospital. Still, that was too cold-hearted of Sera to keep that info from him while he trained which is one of the reasons I dislike her.

I do realize that you said dislike, and not hate. However I still disagree and say that Sera was being sensible, if Shioon did find out mother's condition then he might not have been able to focus on saving Jinie or his training with a distressed mindset. Of course this is all hypothetical at the moment, and we can only wait until Shioon shows his reaction after seeing his comatose mother in next week's chapter or the week after. It's not like Shioon mom died, and Sera didn't tell him. She did attempt to tell him a number of times before, but hesitated and keep quite in order to not distress Shioon.

To be blunt, even I probably wouldn't have the courage to tell a person like Shioon that their mother was in a critical condition, and even more so if the said person was training in order to save someone else or too busy protecting themselves from would-be-assassins.

I will reserve my judgement until we hear the full circumstances behind Shioon's mothers condition.


P.S. Jinie's reaction was hilarious. This chapter was the calm before the storm~

[svyatoslav]

I do realize that you said dislike, and not hate. However I still disagree and say that Sera was being sensible, if Shioon did find out mother's condition then he might not have been able to focus on saving Jinie or his training with a distressed mindset. Of course this is all hypothetical at the moment, and we can only wait until Shioon shows his reaction after seeing his comatose mother in next week's chapter or the week after. It's not like Shioon mom died, and Sera didn't tell him. She did attempt to tell him a number of times before, but hesitated and keep quite in order to not distress Shioon.

To be blunt, even I probably wouldn't have the courage to tell a person like Shioon that their mother was in a critical condition, and even more so if the said person was training in order to save someone else or too busy protecting themselves from would-be-assassins.

I will reserve my judgement until we hear the full circumstances behind Shioon's mothers condition.


P.S. Jinie's reaction was hilarious. This chapter was the calm before the storm~

Haha, I don't think we'll ever see quite eye to eye when it come to Sera :p

Still, I think that's the beauty of Shioon, he would've made through that and him knowing would've only made his desire to save everybody stronger (though I'm sure there would've been some short period of shock, after all that's his only family). I guess we'll find out soon...

However, even now, in this chapter, I found Sera annoying. I know that she is not evil or whatnot but it is almost like she has no soul and for us Russians that's what is most important.

[Bludvein]

There was nothing for Sera to gain personally by not telling Shioon about his mother. She held back because realistically there was absolutely nothing he could've done about it, and the distraction might've kept him from getting strong enough to not get killed.

Actually, when you think about it, she actually put Shioon before her own possible gain. There is no way her deception could last, and it might end up ruining what little friendship they had going. She had to know this.

I'm not saying she was right or anything, but it was definitely not selfish.

[Jammin]

Sera did what she did for Shioon's sake and, practically speaking, it was the right call. If his mother wasn't conscious there was nothing to be done except worry and Shioon couldn't afford to do that at the time.

It is going to put Sera in very awkward position but if she hadn't done what she did Jinie would be dead right now, and probably Shioon too when the grandfather from hell caught up to him.

It was a bad situation and Sera did the best she could with it.

[svyatoslav]

Well I disagree, about her motivation for withholding the information. She didn't do it for him, rather she did it for the sake of faster fulfillment of their contract especially considering the potential she saw in him. Back then, they didn't know that Jini was in trouble mind you.

Sera even let him go after Jini partially because she wanted to see him do the same for her down the road (if she didn't then she wouldn't have told him about Jini either, I mean it is for his own good, right?). Who is she to decide what is better and what is not for him anyway?

Never-mind the fact that she is one of the people who dragged him back into the murim despite his initial wishes and then watched him almost die several times without so much as lifting a finger (remember the time when Chang-Ho and the SUC were after him?). You didn't want to involve your clan? Well, you involved your clan when you went after him which in turn made the SUC step up their interest in him (they went from just observing to pursuing him).

Anyway, so far she has played with his life at her own leisure for her own selfish reasons without so much as sparing a thought about his actual well being, as far as Shioon is concerned, she is a *****.


PS. Granted she did start to change a bit with Shioon's influence, but this doesn't absolve her of her past "crimes."

[matzik1212]

No matter the reason i don't think Sera did a good thing in hiding that fact from Shioon . I mean come on put in the guy's shoes . Would you like to remain unknowing of the situation if one of your parents were in that grave state . As i saw it she wasn't exactly doing very good , her life is practically hanging on a very thin thread , her state could change for the worse any moment so 'cause of that i personally wouldn't be able to forgive Sera for being so selfish .
She was just charmed by Shioon's potential and i don't blame her 'cause he's really amazing but if she cared about him at least a little bit she would have told him the truth. That's what i think :)

[svyatoslav]

Actually, when a person is in a coma, hearing the voice of somebody important might help them regain consciousness. Basically, the most dear person in Shioon's current life needs him and Sera denied them that and for what? Training that can be achieved later?

Again, there was no immediate need to train (they didn't know about Jini and even if they did, Sera herself could've helped her out if she really wanted to help Shioon and buy him time to train). Practically everything Sera does is selfish, calculative and cold-hearted. This is why out of all the "harem candidates" (:p) in the story, I like Sosul the most. She is not only as smart as Sera (at least close) but she actually has a soul and a heart (she actually cares about Shioon). Jini is nice but she is a bit too impulsive and SaHee is an airhead.

[Monsterguy]

Well I disagree, about her motivation for withholding the information. She didn't do it for him, rather she did it for the sake of faster fulfillment of their contract especially considering the potential she saw in him. Back then, they didn't know that Jini was in trouble mind you.

She didn't order him anything or lead him down the path she wanted (i hope ??? - Unknown untill now, must still be confirmed in upcoming chapters), she only told him what is going on around him ("explanation of murim people" lecture she gave to Shioon).



Sera even let him go after Jini partially because she wanted to see him do the same for her down the road (if she didn't then she wouldn't have told him about Jini either, I mean it is for his own good, right?). Who is she to decide what is better and what is not for him anyway?

Never-mind the fact that she is one of the people who dragged him back into the murim despite his initial wishes and then watched him almost die several times without so much as lifting a finger (remember the time when Chang-Ho and the SUC were after him?). You didn't want to involve your clan? Well, you involved your clan when you went after him which in turn made the SUC step up their interest in him (they went from just observing to pursuing him).


From my point of view you are wrong here, why Jinie would definitly die later on and Shioon would put the blame on himself (if he would still not be killed by Chang-Ho by than). Additionally Chang-Ho would still attack Shioon and likely also kill him !!!

This is becouse as Sera said, SUC guys were disturbed by nine arts disciple so much they wanted to kill Shioon if he would not obey them 100%. Anyway they would still send Chang-Ho after Shioon !!!

So if not for the intervention from Sera, than Shioon would already be dead by Chang-Ho by now. That's becouse Shioon would not get the determination to fight back against Chang-Ho in the first place (that's the kind of person I'm picturing Shioon is). That is what Shioon got after the talk from Sera, so again "Shioon would most probably die by Chang-Ho", who had a groudge against Shioon (missing tooth or tooths when Shioon punched Chang-Ho and knocked him out in part 1) !!!

About Sera involving her own clan, personally I also saw it in different light.

As far as I understood, Sera first approched to Shioon "alone", through Yoo Ji-Gun, who thought Shioon is a member of SUC and wanted for Sera to join him and fight alongside him against SUC (although he failed to recrut her, he convinced her SUC people are the bad guys). Only later when Shioon was left alone outside all weak after the fight, Sera used the power of her own clan !!!



Anyway, so far she has played with his life at her own leisure for her own selfish reasons without so much as sparing a thought about his actual well being, as far as Shioon is concerned, she is a *****.


On the other hand we might be looking the same coin(Sera's personality), each from another corner/side.

So, yes your theories are also possibile, actually as much possibile as my (or from people who see things similar to me). Anyway, the next couple of chapters would reveal who's right !!!

If it happens that you were right all along, my perseption on looking "the best/simplest way out" was deciving me all along and I might start hating Sera's personality, but not her beautiful body (she would remain HOT/SEXY in my eyes, but she would become a "forbidden fruit" !!!)...:smile-big

[kidopitz27]

i think Shioon will not forgive Sera on holding an information about Shioon's mother and i think Shioon will be angry (BHT anyone?) and he will ask Sera who attacked her mother and starts looking for the doctor....... :) good scenario right

Shioon goes to the doctor the make a medicine for him and then the doctor will get more blood from Shioon :P

[Asvin]

Actually, when a person is in a coma, hearing the voice of somebody important might help them regain consciousness. Basically, the most dear person in Shioon's current life needs him and Sera denied them that and for what? Training that can be achieved later?

Again, there was no immediate need to train (they didn't know about Jini and even if they did, Sera herself could've helped her out if she really wanted to help Shioon and buy him time to train). Practically everything Sera does is selfish, calculative and cold-hearted. This is why out of all the "harem candidates" (:p) in the story, I like Sosul the most. She is not only as smart as Sera (at least close) but she actually has a soul and a heart (she actually cares about Shioon). Jini is nice but she is a bit too impulsive and SaHee is an airhead.

I think you're getting Sera's motivations twisted just a 'lil bit too much there. I'll agree that she is very highly intelligent and she's definitely making moves to secure a future for herself but I don't think she's doing that in a malicious way but rather in a emotionally detached way that gets under certain people's skin.

Let's take the situation with Shi-Woon's mother for example. She had two choices; tell Shi-Woon and interupt his training which we know for a fact helped save his life, so that he could sit and hold his mother's hand. Or she could have kept her mouth shut and tried to find a way to break her coma on her own.

I know a lot of people will get all emotional and say that they would have wanted to stay with their mother what ever the outcome. I also know a few, who would have rather not been told because there was nothing they could have done either way. We'll have to wait and see how Shi-Woon reacts but my guess is it will be a mix of both. Shi-Woon trusts Sera unconditionally and won't hate her for her decision.

I personally don't mind Sera making moves behind the scenes. Like I said, she's smart, powerful and in a great position to play chess. I just don't like watching her do it, that all knowing attitude just isn't to my liking. Stay away from the Aizen, Sera!

[svyatoslav]

Let's take the situation with Shi-Woon's mother for example. She had two choices; tell Shi-Woon and interupt his training which we know for a fact helped save his life, so that he could sit and hold his mother's hand. Or she could have kept her mouth shut and tried to find a way to break her coma on her own.


I don't quite get this argument. First of all, telling him about his mother doesn't mean he'll stop training. It could just mean he'll spend a few hours each day next to her but otherwise works hard and trains properly. I mean, we've all seen that Shioon is the type of person to focus and overcome crisis situations instead of going into a shell. It is a decision HE has to make, she has no right to make it FOR him.

Second, if we are being all "rational," she could've notified him about his mother but neglect to mention Jini or anything else that might make him feel compelled to act. That way he is never in any danger until he completes some of his training. She could've used her clans power to either find Jini or work with Mr. Fox/Ha-Il/Loud Elder to cooperatively save her without involving Shioon. There were any number of things she COULD HAVE done. Instead she chose to lie to Shioon and then knowingly put him at risk to make the risk to her clan practically ZERO. Well that's great except in reality, despite what she has been telling Shioon, she (along with her clan) are officially Shioon's retainers and as such are supposed to put THEMSELVES in danger to either protect Shioon or fight for his interests. Instead she is using Shioon as her puppet because he is too naive and misinformed to know otherwise. She constantly puts his life in danger while she and especially her clan work quietly from the shadows without exposing themselves. How can anybody claim that after all that she is doing it for HIS OWN GOOD is beyond me.

[Jammin]

The issue isn't "time" it's "concentration". He was in the final stages of a meditation training any distraction would have rendered such training impossible. If he was to succeed he had to stay focused. It wasn't a situation were she could have told him the truth and then let him make the decision about what to do. If she told him there would be no way he'd be able to focus no matter how much he wanted to.

The fact of the matter was his mother was already in that state and her condition seemed to be fairly stable. The external threats to him were not going to just wait until he was ready.

The choice of what to do was entirely in Sera's hands and she did the rational thing, kept his mother's condition from him until he finished his training; and it was this decision that ultimately kept Shioon and Jinie alive.

The whole thing was never really something that was in her own best interests because, obviously, Shioon was always going to find out that she hid this from him.

As for sending members of the Sunwoo clan to help Shioon. She couldn't trust them because she had pretty much figured out that some among them want rid of him, she just didn't know whom. She realized that Shioon would need to be stronger to survive and she did what she had to in order to ensure that happened. So I don't fault her for that one bit.

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Will Shioon be mad at Sera for deciding to keep his mothers condition from him? Of course, but don't forget that decision saved his life.

[nanoclarkology]

All sorts of ways to look at this. I would like to get a Korean cultural point of view. Yes I would like to know if my mom was in a coma but at the same time if my friend didn't tell me but was treating her then I wouldn't be that mad. I mean it isn't like they had ANYTHING to gain from not telling me. Did I give them money, pleasure ,pain, life, justice, eg etc. I guess we will have to make the best of what the author gives us. Sera is going to be Shioons lackey.

[svyatoslav]

The issue isn't "time" it's "concentration". He was in the final stages of a meditation training any distraction would have rendered such training impossible. If he was to succeed he had to stay focused. It wasn't a situation were she could have told him the truth and then let him make the decision about what to do. If she told him there would be no way he'd be able to focus no matter how much he wanted to.

The fact of the matter was his mother was already in that state and her condition seemed to be fairly stable. The external threats to him were not going to just wait until he was ready.

The choice of what to do was entirely in Sera's hands and she did the rational thing, kept his mother's condition from him until he finished his training; and it was this decision that ultimately kept Shioon and Jinie alive.

The whole thing was never really something that was in her own best interests because, obviously, Shioon was always going to find out that she hiding this from him.

As for sending members of the Sunwoo clan to help Shioon. She couldn't trust them because she had pretty much figured out that some among them want rid of him, she just didn't know whom. She realized that Shioon would need to be stronger to survive and she did what she had to in order to ensure that happened. So I don't fault her for that one bit.

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Will Shioon be mad at Sera for deciding to keep his mothers condition from him? Of course, but don't forget that decision saved his life.
First of all, where exactly did I say time? I used the words "focus" and "overcome."

Second, there was no immediate danger. If she didn't tell him about his mother for "his" sake, then why not keep the fact that Jini is in trouble from him for "his" own sake instead?! If he didn't leave the protection of her clan then he would be in no danger for a relatively long time.

Plus, who says he wouldn't be able to focus on his training. Like I said before, Sera already witnessed his resilience in dire times so why wouldn't he be able to focus on training? I'm sure he would've needed a short amount of time to get over the shock, but afterwards he'd blame himself for not being strong enough and start training even harder (we've seen this response from him several times already).

Basically, her decision not to tell him is wrong on every level: rational, emotional, human, etc. She is manipulating him the whole time for her own needs without "really" thinking about his.

[bighawke5]

No matter the reason i don't think Sera did a good thing in hiding that fact from Shioon . I mean come on put in the guy's shoes . Would you like to remain unknowing of the situation if one of your parents were in that grave state . As i saw it she wasn't exactly doing very good , her life is practically hanging on a very thin thread , her state could change for the worse any moment so 'cause of that i personally wouldn't be able to forgive Sera for being so selfish .
She was just charmed by Shioon's potential and i don't blame her 'cause he's really amazing but if she cared about him at least a little bit she would have told him the truth. That's what i think :)

I wouldn't mind not being told if its for the sake of my full focus on becoming stronger to prevent such things.

Its not like telling him right then and there would have made a difference. He's not a doctor. It would only be a distraction.

That's like being a race car driver and driving at 200mph while requesting that they install a cell phone in your car so you can take calls if your wife is in a coma....Its incredibly idiotic because first you'll die picking up that call, second knowing it at that moment doesn't bring her out the coma, you can't exactly whisk yourself away while driving over 200mph on a racetrack and appear at her side and all be better...

Shion knowing of this now doesn't change a thing about his mom, just like if he knew at the moment it happened. The only difference is it would have detracted him from focusing on the task at hand. Tell me if someone calls you right now about a parent in a coma that you won't completely stop what you're doing and rush to go cry at that parent's side.....exactly...at that moment nothing matters...plus you lose whatever drive you had for whatever task you were involved in until the parent awakes from the coma.

Sera was just thinking in terms of "ok what can we physically do right now, he can go to her side but that won't help him any, or he can go to her side still and that won't wake her up either, the only thing that's even akin to moving forward in that situation is going forward with the training and in the meantime if she wakes fine, if she doesn't we'll tell him after he's finished with this important task."

The only thing that would have made sera look bad was if shioon's mother was kidnapped and she hadnt told him then and there, as kidnapping IS an uncontrollable situation that needs quick resolving. But here she was in a hospital being taken cared off by good doctors, that was surely taken into consideration before she decided not to tell shioon that very moment...i don't see the problem.

[ZERO PHOENIX]

It looks like we're largely on the same page regarding the Sera situation. Shioon needed to focus on his training. We all know that things like your mom being in a hospital would devastate anyone. Whether he likes it or not, Shioon is Murim now and the slightest destraction, any stray thoughts can get you killed in an instant. Shioon needed to focus entirely on his training and Sera knew that. I feel that she planned to tell him at some point but she knows there is a time and a place for certain things.

[matzik1212]

Leaving Sera's selfishness on the side :D i'm so excited to see how will things progress with Shioon and that supposed surgery to recover his Ki center . I think things won't turn up too good after the examination and when all the others doctors will be in a slump concerning his recovery , the crazy doctor will appear after he finishes all his crazy experiments in Won-Jae's laboratory and bring with him the key in saving Shioon from his misery :blai

I say this 'cause i think it would be too simple if after they examine him they easily discover the way in recovering his Ki center . I mean if that would be so easy why the whole fuss about a broken Ki center right :p

[GOOMOONRYONG]

I can see why Sera did what she did and let's me honest, his mother wasn't in any danger. It looks like Sera and her people have a top notch hospital to look after people and yeah it was a little messed up that she didn't tell Shioon but he needed to focus on his training.

Really excited to see how things will change for Shioon now that he is the official head of the Sunwoo clan. What ever happened with Sosul? I mean 9AD took her with him but she hasn't been even showed once since the end of part 1. Shioon becoming the new head might be a perfect time to reintroduce Sosul into things or at least give her a little face time.

[nanoclarkology]

My prediction for this chapter and future goes along the thoughts of this. Old lady has stuck her neck out for Shioon because he is an "amazing boy". Enquirer about him from Elder Kwon thus the reason he had business at the main house. She offers her services to the SunWoo Clan.

At the same time Shioon is frantic and goes to Sera. Sera confesses all to Shioon and offers to help him to identify and avenge his mother. He asks if there is anything he can do to help his Mom. The answer is no but only the hobo doc knows Shioons healing ability from his blood. Granted 'ki' infused blood going into a non Murim. What could happen? Of course with this interaction with Sera, Jinie will be pissed and mock the way Sera prostrates herself before Shioon offering him her services. Jinie will be jealous, cynical, vengeful, and skeptical of Sera's involvement and intentions. But as we all know Sera is very calculating. At the end of this exchange Shioons test results will be back. Sera, Jinie, Ha-Ill, and Shioon will go back to the hospital and enters Elder Kwon, Elder Excited, Old lady, and Hobo Doc. A new set of tests will be run by the hobo doc. Each test will be over seen by Elder Jangling (I think that is the excitable one).

A solution comes along and hobo, Shioon and Kwon decide to perform the operation. The SUC have started to take over Seoul. Shioon wakes up after surgery and is told not to perform any ki manipulation for at least three weeks. That does not include his BHE technique of gathering ki in his center. It is actually recommended to form a ki gathering procedure but not to distribute the ki. <-- did I explain this funny?

Anyway with him able to gather ki in his newly forms center and the SUC wreaking havoc on Seoul the MAA can't do anything due to the sheer numbers of the SUC. Kwon tells Shioon he needs to train and can't wait three weeks. Shows him foot techniques, hand palm, that heaven shattering earth tech that Kwon used on masked Chundomoon.

Then Shioon calls in favors. All of Sunwoo, Sera's clan( with old lady), JiGuns clan, that weird dude with the Shioon crush and long tongue( the one with the sword in breaker part one). Any way with Shioon fully capable of badassery Sunwoo clan retakes Seoul.

[Asvin]

I don't quite get this argument. First of all, telling him about his mother doesn't mean he'll stop training. It could just mean he'll spend a few hours each day next to her but otherwise works hard and trains properly. I mean, we've all seen that Shioon is the type of person to focus and overcome crisis situations instead of going into a shell. It is a decision HE has to make, she has no right to make it FOR him.

Second, if we are being all "rational," she could've notified him about his mother but neglect to mention Jini or anything else that might make him feel compelled to act. That way he is never in any danger until he completes some of his training. She could've used her clans power to either find Jini or work with Mr. Fox/Ha-Il/Loud Elder to cooperatively save her without involving Shioon. There were any number of things she COULD HAVE done. Instead she chose to lie to Shioon and then knowingly put him at risk to make the risk to her clan practically ZERO. Well that's great except in reality, despite what she has been telling Shioon, she (along with her clan) are officially Shioon's retainers and as such are supposed to put THEMSELVES in danger to either protect Shioon or fight for his interests. Instead she is using Shioon as her puppet because he is too naive and misinformed to know otherwise. She constantly puts his life in danger while she and especially her clan work quietly from the shadows without exposing themselves. How can anybody claim that after all that she is doing it for HIS OWN GOOD is beyond me.

Valid points but remember we have the advantage of hindsight in this discussion. We know that he barely survives Jin-Ie’s rescue with his training complete. How worse off would he have been with seconds or hours cut out? Would he even have mastered his training? Who’s to say he wouldn’t have stormed off in search of the people responsible for her condition?

As far as telling him about Jin-Ie, I’ll agree that, that wasn’t a logical/rational choice she made but rather an emotional one. To me, the part where she asks if he would have also come to her rescue had it been her in that situation, suggests that she had also considered not telling him about Jin-Ie. In the end, her heart told her to tell him. Her question about him coming to rescue her and his answer, just reconfirms to her that she did make the right choice even thought it was an emotional one.

After that she, goes above and beyond on his behalf, risking herself for him. It’s that same conviction that he will see in her eyes and allow him to forgive her for not telling him. Right or wrong, fact is he would have been dead in any other scenario.

[svyatoslav]

Right or wrong, fact is he would have been dead in any other scenario.

That's not true, any number of things could've happened and he'd be perfectly safe if she didn't tell him about Jini and instead took care of it herself quietly.