Naruto 579 review: Brothers, Fight as one!

[benelori]

Hi...so this thread will collect all the ideas and scripts, and will contain the final version of the review as well...
Basically anything Naruto review related....

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I though about how we should write the review...I thought off dividing it into 5 main parts besides the short intro and end credits

- Intro

1. Small summary of the chapter that focuses how the chapter is built up from the beginning til the end, and identifies a main message or core of the chapter...
2. Character development, dialogue analysis, or any other stuff that is related to characters
3. Plot development, pace, new revelations/info...basically anything that moves or doesn't move the plot forward, or anything that expands the lore
4. Art analysis...paneling, details, facial expressions, pace, etc...
5. Action....how well is it executed, how complex it was, how boring it was, basically a separate analysis just on the action part...jutsus used, jutsus that could have been used instead


- from all of us on the 5 categories mentioned above and scores from all of us...(that's why I chose 5 categories, so that we can easily score each category and then add them together....can use 0, 0.1, 0.7 so basically the marks are not just 0 or 1)


III. Predictions

- Credits


Participants on this project

- jdw ----- plot
- ninjabot ------ predictions
- Delbi ----- action(the only category remaining)
- benelori ------ intro and summary
- KiSwordsman ------ characters
- Masterpice(awaiting reply)
- Googlez-kun(awaiting reply) ------ art

Oh yeah...any ideas on how to change the format are welcome


Character analysis
In this chapter the focus was entirely on the Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto fight. The characters presented themselves in three completely different ways in regard to each. However, this was not out of the norm for two of them.

Sasuke was his observant, condescending self. While Kabuto, like his master before him, was very confident, despite the situation. It was Itachi's attitude that I found interesting this week. While calm, like he usually tends to be. He was also slightly humorous, giving Sasuke the nickname "doctor snakes," which ended up becoming a running gag for the chapter. I found this odd, but then remembered how Nagato acted with Naruto before Kabuto stripped him of his free will. Most likely, the logic behind this is that some characters brought back with edo-tensei, especially Itachi, no longer have a reason to present themselves the same way that they did while alive. It would make sense, given Itachi's words to Sasuke at the end last weeks chapter.

At the end of the chapter we see why Kabuto has been so confident throughout it, despite hiding from the Uchiha brothers for most of it. It turns out that, along with taking the abilities of both Karin and Suigetsu, he has also taken, or rather learned Jugo's ability. Which in truth turns out to be the snakes version of sage mode. Not only has Kabuto learned this ability, he has mastered it, becoming a perfect sage. If that weren't enough, he claims to have become a dragon because of his mastery over the ability. Weather this meant symbolically, or literally remains to be seen. We can gather that he seems very confident in the ability, due to the fact that he chose to stop hiding from both Sasuke and Itachi upon its activation. This implies that he possibly is no longer wary of their genjutsu.

Even more interesting is the fact that Itachi seemed to be aware of not only the the places that Kabuto mentioned, but also sage mode itself. However, given the fact that Itachi has been shown to be informed about things like the identity of Naruto's parents, I suppose it's not all that surprising.

There isn't that much to say about Sasuke. The one thing that I can say regarding him is that he seems to be alot less mentally unstable in his brothers presence. He is still a little hot headed and condesending, but seems alot less likely to kill someone at the drop of a hat.

Plot analysis
The major revelations of the chapter are:

1. Kabuto has achieved Sage Mode and elevated to being a dragon and not a mere snake by training with the Sage of White Snake at Ryuchi Dou, which is as notable as Myobokuzan. This is rather important because it even surprises and impresses Itachi, who is a pro at analysis. If he knows f it and still cares, then it probably matters a great deal.

2. Kabuto obtained much of his power by researching the shinobi who would later be called upon by Sasuke to be a part of Hebi/Taka: Suigetsu, Karin, and Juugo.

3. Karin is an Uzumaki. This could be a rather important fact going forward, but we will have to wait and see. Sasuke was interested in this fact for one reason or another, but we don't know yet the extent of his curiosity.

4. Snakes are not completely useless. The Sage of the White Snake training Kabuto to achieve their version of Sage Mode is truly stunning as there was no previous indication that there were any other practicing Sage arts outside of those affiliated with the toads of Myoubokuzan.

Overall, the pacing of the chapter moved fairly fast. 578 ended with Itachi and Sasuke facing off against Kabuto. 579 launches into actual combat after a few words are exchanged.

We didn't really see any advancement of the Uchiha brothers as this was mainly Kabuto's chance to show something. There was twin Susanoo, but no abilities that we have not seen previously.

One interesting point is about Kabuto's perception in Sage Mode. There is no sure basis of comparison of actual ability across the Sage Modes (Snake/Toad), but could it be possible that Kabuto's avoidance of Sasuke's arrow means that Naruto would be able to avoid it in Sage Mode? Just something to think about as the story unfolds I guess

Action
The action of this chapter was more so a build up to the juicy parts of the fight between the Uchiha brothers and Kabuto that are bound to ensue in coming chapters; even still quite a few interesting things happened, along with a few reveals in reguards to new jutsu.

Before we get to what everyone is raving about (Kabuto's Dragon Sage Mode), it should be noted that right off the bat Itachi and Sasuke whipped out Sussano. Frankly, it's disappointing for me to see these two great fighters turned into nothing more than mecha operators, but alas, I guess they need to pull out the big guns considering who their opponent is and the situation they are in. What should be noted is that while Itachi has infinite stamina, Sasuke does not, and for once, Itachi won't be this feeble ninja having to hold back. It'll be interesting to see if stamina becomes an issue for Sasuke during this fight.

Starting off though, both Itachi and Sasuke began engaging Kabuto differently. Itachi took a more restrained approach and didn't attempt to hurt Kabuto whereas Sasuke immediately cut through his snakes. While Itachi is usually always correcting Sasuke, this time it was Sasuke who corrected Itachi claiming that they mustn’t take it easy on Kabuto given the fact he has Orochimaru's powers. This should lead into quite the brawl between these fighters as it's becoming blatantly obvious that even if the Uchiha brothers wanted to kill Kabuto, they might not succeed.

Speaking of Kabuto, is it just me or did Kishi take some influence for Doc. Ock from the Spider-Man comics in the way he uses his snakes? Offensively Kabuto didn't display much in this chapter, but I do like his fighting style nonetheless. And his initial attacks with the snakes were pretty cool.

But while Kabuto may not have been offensive heavy this week, his defense is proving to be quite impressive. Not only does he have an amazing defense against ocular genjutsu with his snakes, but his healing capabilities and ability to liquefy (thanks to Karin and Suigetsu respectively) have given him quite the powerful body. Watching him easily deal with an onslaught that would leave most ninja's gasping for straws was impressive. These abilities alone would make him quite the headache for nearly anyone in the manga, and yet, neither of those improvements compare much to his new trump card....

DRAGON SAGE MODE

With the help of Juugo's DNA and training at Ryuchidou Kabuto has now become a Sage, and good God is that scary. Remember when Kakashi, a very fast ninja with the Sharigan failed to dodge Sasuke's Sussano arrow and had to use Kamui? Kabuto has no such problem thanks to the perceptual ability of his new Sage Mode. Now, if his Sage Mode is like Naruto's we can assume his body just received a massive upgrade in the strength, speed, and durability department as well (it will also be interesting to see if there are differences between the two, such as one being better at doing something than the other). O, and let's not forget adding natural energy to his techniques is going to boost their power as well. Yea, Itachi and Sasuke are in for quite a ride. And whatever Sage Technique: Hakugeki Jutsu is, I'm sure it'll be cool and quite deadly.

Overall the action in this chapter surmounts to two exchanges, Kabuto attacking Sasuke and Itachi with his snakes and them countering said attack, and Kabuto dodging Sasuke's Sussano arrow. Not all that exciting, but the reveal of Dragon Sage Mode will surely give us an action packed chapter next week. I'd give the action this week a 3/5.

[alphabeta]

Right off the bait. KiSwordsman is also part of the Naruto team. Don't go excluding people just like that. ;)

For the record, so is Masterpice. But he still didn't reply to my PM to subscribe in the RA HQ Thread, so for now, let's assume the review will be written without him.

But my biggest worry is the format. If you've checked out our other reviews, you'll notice that we have a simple 3 point format. It's simple, it's easy, it's effective. We have a lot of newcomers (Naruto team consists only of newcomers aside from you), so all those dialouge analysis, plot deveopment and new relavations stuff is something for experts.

We have too many newcomers in this team, so three sections won't be enough, but I still think we should use the standard format, especially in the beginning of our reviewer career.

So, if I may use my authority as the founder and leader of the Reviewer Alliance... that format needs to be changed, bene. :mono

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BTW, I thik the team should be ready for 579. 578 will be out in two days, but there's enough prep. time for 579.

[benelori]

Right off the bait. KiSwordsman is also part of the Naruto team. Don't go excluding people just like that. ;)

For the record, so is Masterpice. But he still didn't reply to my PM to subscribe in the RA HQ Thread, so for now, let's assume the review will be written without him.


Well I couldn't have known that now, could I? When they'll subscribe to this thread or to HQ, then I'll add them...I need to know stuff, right...I'm not excluding anybody here


But my biggest worry is the format. If you've checked out our other reviews, you'll notice that we have a simple 3 point format. It's simple, it's easy, it's effective. We have a lot of newcomers (Naruto team consists only of newcomers aside from you), so all those dialouge analysis, plot deveopment and new relavations stuff is something for experts.

The format is totally the same...the Analysis part that you have in the reviews it's the same as the Review Part...we will rename it if you want, but it's still the same...my format has impressions as well...and the only thing that isn't there is Predictions, which...well....I forgot to add:sweat

And trust me...all these people who wrote back(jdw, ninjabot and Delbi) and the ones you mentioned afterwards Masterpice and KiSwordsman are experts....I know this because I'm modding Naruto for years now...nobody is a reviewer, but that doesn't mean that their analyzing capabilities are bad...actually quite the opposite...you can trust me on that:p


We have too many newcomers in this team, so three sections won't be enough, but I still think we should use the standard format, especially in the beginning of our reviewer career.

So, if I may use my authority as the founder and leader of the Reviewer Alliance... that format needs to be changed, bene. :mono

You can use your authority:p...but this is not the time, because there's nothing to change as I've said earlier....I just broke down the analysis part into different parts...you've read comments from the other reviews right? We need to make a cohesive, structured review.


BTW, I thik the team should be ready for 579. 578 will be out in two days, but there's enough prep. time for 579.

That depends really, on how fast will people react to this thread and how can they organize their time...we'll see...I see no problem in prolonging it to next week, but if people will be ready, then why not?

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EDIT: format changed to the big 3 parts

[Delbi]

I honestly think doing 579 would be a good idea instead of just knocking out 578 right away for a few reasons.

1) And this an be ignored since it's selfish of me, but I am extremely busy this week and won't have access to a computer Saturday, so I won't be as available as I usually will be to the group, so my input won't be as strong as it usually would be. So if everyone else wants to do 578 without me, or with little input me that is fine with me.

2) I think we as a group need to discuss how we are going to go about the review. And while we are all very knowledgeable of Naruto, we all do have strong opinions and personalities. This isn't a bad thing, but saying that, we need to come to a consensus about the chapters we are reviewing, and thus we have to devise as a group how we are going to do this so that we create the best review possible with out expertise on the manga. Whether this is we each take a certain part of the review, or we come together to each part is something we have to decide.

3) We aren't experienced reviewers, and while I don't see this as a hard task, it'd be nice to maybe use 578 as our practice run as to how this process is going to work in the future.

Again these are just thoughts, so feel free to disagree or whatever.

[benelori]

I honestly think doing 579 would be a good idea instead of just knocking out 578 right away for a few reasons.

1) And this an be ignored since it's selfish of me, but I am extremely busy this week and won't have access to a computer Saturday, so I won't be as available as I usually will be to the group, so my input won't be as strong as it usually would be. So if everyone else wants to do 578 without me, or with little input me that is fine with me.

I see...I see no problem with that...if you are busy, then of course we will take our time and make the review of next week's chapter...I would like everyone to have time and think through what we are going to write...so it's okay


2) I think we as a group need to discuss how we are going to go about the review. And while we are all very knowledgeable of Naruto, we all do have strong opinions and personalities. This isn't a bad thing, but saying that, we need to come to a consensus about the chapters we are reviewing, and thus we have to devise as a group how we are going to do this so that we create the best review possible with out expertise on the manga. Whether this is we each take a certain part of the review, or we come together to each part is something we have to decide.

This will be a bit interesting then...I would like to know if you have any particular ideas on how to reach a consensus if we can...discussing the main chapter points maybe?
Every time I've written a review, my main goal was to make it a cohesive text...which means that the different parts of the review were related with each other, so it happened a lot that certain ideas from one part got imported to another...
That's why I suggest that we write each our parts in order...for example, if I start by writing a small summary and identifying the main aspects of the chapter, then the next parts should be written in light of what I wrote...so basically each of us will have to use the information of what the others have written to make it cohesive...so we should write our parts in order...

So I agree that some degree of consensus needs to be reached here...


3) We aren't experienced reviewers, and while I don't see this as a hard task, it'd be nice to maybe use 578 as our practice run as to how this process is going to work in the future.

Again these are just thoughts, so feel free to disagree or whatever.

It's not a hart task....the basic idea of reviewing is what we always do when we post in the chapter discussion thread...we identify a certain idea, we have an opinion and we back up that opinion with some logic...
However a review tackles the entire chapter not just aspects of it, that's why I'm proposed that we should write our parts in order...
[hr]
We really need to receive input from the others as well, so that we can reach an agreement

[alphabeta]

About the idea of reaching a consencus between the reviewers. I whole-heartedly support for this idea, however there are some problems attached to it. I fear that if we will first discuss all the aspects of a review beforehand, we might not have enough time left for the actual writing. The same thing applies to the "writing sections in order, one after another" part. It would make the JR look more planned out, but that would create problems for the people who would write the "latter sections".

That idea would work in a monthly review. I'm not sure about weekly.

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I PM'ed the guys to come over to this thread.

[KiSwordsman]

So are we doing as Delbi suggested, and using this chapter as a test run?

[ninjabot]

Wait, this chapter as in this chapter? Slow down! It's all going so FAST!

Nah. We gotta get used to things eventually. Though inline with reaching a consensus, does that mean we have to vote unanimously on what to put in the review? Or each person has sole control over their aspect of said review?

[alphabeta]

So are we doing as Delbi suggested, and using this chapter as a test run?

I'm still not very sure how this test run is supposed to work in the first place. Let's wait for bene to clear that up.

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Wait, this chapter as in this chapter? Slow down! It's all going so FAST!

Nah. We gotta get used to things eventually. Though inline with reaching a consensus, does that mean we have to vote unanimously on what to put in the review? Or each person has sole control over their aspect of said review?

I'm for the latter variant. Like I said, the "agreeing beforehand" is too time-consuming. We won't come to one common opinion of all the aspects of a chapter in 1-2 days. That's why I'm for dividing the sections between the members and everyone writes whatevery he wants.

[ninjabot]

Huh. Well, I guess that works. I think you picked a good group of reviewers then, because you've accumulated pretty much every type of Naruto fan here amongst us. Which should make for some... "colorful" reviews.

[KiSwordsman]

I'm still not very sure how this test run is supposed to work in the first place. Let's wait for bene to clear that up.

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I'm for the latter variant. Like I said, the "agreeing beforehand" is too time-consuming. We won't come to one common opinion of all the aspects of a chapter in 1-2 days. That's why I'm for dividing the sections between the members and everyone writes whatevery he wants.

I'm all for that, but won't doing it that way make the flow of the review seem a little strange? Forgive me if this was discussed already.

[alphabeta]

I'm all for that, but won't doing it that way make the flow of the review seem a little strange? Forgive me if this was discussed already.

No, it wasn't. The whole JR thing is respectively new in the first place, so there's still a lot more questions than answers. >_>

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Hmmm... doesn't look like Masterpice is going to join us. I think we can start discussing the distribution of the sections. Do you guys have any idea what section you might want to write?

Right of the bait. We have 4 people in this review and 3 sections. That's the perferct amount. 2 people are going to write the analysis, one half each, the other two are going to divide the impressions/predictions between themselves.

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And I think it's time to add the 479 to the thread title.

[ninjabot]

I'm here! Sorry, I was AFK for a while. We ready to start or...?

EDIT: I'll be taking one of the less strenuous jobs, ofcourse. Since this is my first time... I expect you guys to be gentle.

I'll take impressions and predictions.

[benelori]

About the idea of reaching a consencus between the reviewers. I whole-heartedly support for this idea, however there are some problems attached to it. I fear that if we will first discuss all the aspects of a review beforehand, we might not have enough time left for the actual writing. The same thing applies to the "writing sections in order, one after another" part. It would make the JR look more planned out, but that would create problems for the people who would write the "latter sections".

That idea would work in a monthly review. I'm not sure about weekly.

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I PM'ed the guys to come over to this thread.

Well since Delbi won't have much time to contribute this week, I think it's alright that if we would post the review of next week's chapter officially, but work on this week's chapter as well, to see how well we work together...so officially this should be a test, but if we will get something done, then we could post it...

About the reading after one another...I think we should at least test it first, see if it works, and then judge on how well it works or doesn't work...so let's just try it...

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So are we doing as Delbi suggested, and using this chapter as a test run?

Yup...let's use this as a test run...

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Wait, this chapter as in this chapter? Slow down! It's all going so FAST!

Nah. We gotta get used to things eventually. Though inline with reaching a consensus, does that mean we have to vote unanimously on what to put in the review? Or each person has sole control over their aspect of said review?

This is just a test run, so no worries:p

On reaching a consensus...we wouldn't turn this into a chapter discussion thread, but we should agree on the main points that are debatable in the chapter...like in this chapter

Do the Kages have chances of actually winning? Is Madara just an arrogant bastard, or is his behaviour backed up by a real difference in power?
Is Kabuto really prepared for the Uchiha brothers?
Did Itachi just lie again to Sasuke by promising him that he would talk after Kabuto is taken care of?


And based on how each other present the arguments I can write an intro and a small summary that would mirror these ideas and points of view...and based on my short summary, then everybody will be able to exploit every opinion and creativity in writing their designated parts...how's that sound?

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I'm for the latter variant. Like I said, the "agreeing beforehand" is too time-consuming. We won't come to one common opinion of all the aspects of a chapter in 1-2 days. That's why I'm for dividing the sections between the members and everyone writes whatevery he wants.

Not all aspects....key aspects...a short summary and an introduction should create enough creativity, that would be understood as an agreement or at least give the impression of cohesiveness...

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Huh. Well, I guess that works. I think you picked a good group of reviewers then, because you've accumulated pretty much every type of Naruto fan here amongst us. Which should make for some... "colorful" reviews.

That is why I structured the format of the review the way I did...or at least this is one of the reasons...the different parts shouldn't overlap too much as to create conflicting parts in the review

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I'm all for that, but won't doing it that way make the flow of the review seem a little strange? Forgive me if this was discussed already.

It wasn't discussed, it's actually the main issue...and I suggested that we would write our parts in order...so that each contributor would be able to read what the other has written beforehand and maybe use those ideas, but never contradict them

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Right of the bait. We have 4 people in this review and 3 sections. That's the perferct amount. 2 people are going to write the analysis, one half each, the other two are going to divide the impressions/predictions between themselves.


It doesn't really work that way...each person has its own part...and because this is a test run, then I'm willing to fill in for anyone...
Impressions are done by everybody, all the rest separately...

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I'm here! Sorry, I was AFK for a while. We ready to start or...?

EDIT: I'll be taking one of the less strenuous jobs, ofcourse. Since this is my first time... I expect you guys to be gentle.

I'll take impressions and predictions.

Impressions are written by everybody, so that yours by default...don't forget to rate the chapter based on the 5 parts of the review...I chose 5 parts so that it would be easy to rate...mark goes from 0 to 1...REAL numbers, not just 0 and 1...

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Anyways....I choose the Intro and Short Summary, so that we could get this going quickly enough

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For anyone who doesn't have an idea about what to write in the other sections, so he can't choose....I did make some suggestions there...but those are just suggestions, things that outline some important things....but I encourage creativity....if you choose characters, and you choose to write about Madara's ego as a central idea, then go ahead...if you think he is a prick then go ahead and write that, just give some arguments...if you think the Uchiha bro union is based on a lie then write that...just share your thoughts within the limits of the part that you are supposed to write...that's all...

Also it looks like Googlez-kun will be taking care of the art analysis....it's nothing certain, but I'm mentioning it so that you could choose something else...it doesn't matter much, because this should be viewed as a test, not an actual review, but if we manage to pull something out, then we can as well post it in the future.

So let's get to work....I will start my part, and it will done in an hour or so...

[KiSwordsman]

I'm here! Sorry, I was AFK for a while. We ready to start or...?

EDIT: I'll be taking one of the less strenuous jobs, ofcourse. Since this is my first time... I expect you guys to be gentle.

I'll take impressions and predictions.

Since Alpha said 2 people can work on this ill help you.

[benelori]

Hello, hello MH members and Naruto fans! And welcome to another Joint Review of Naruto by <insert participants>.
Our golden cast will share ideas and will analyze the events of these week's chapter of Naruto, so gather around a fire and let's start!:party

The chapter's title is very interesting this week, because it presents an emotion that is very frequent in times of war and conflict. Hopelessness, the feeling of being powerless, the absence of people who support you are resounding reasons for despair.

The title assumes that the chapter will present weakness of despair, however it leaves space for us to decide who is displaying this emotion, and who are the ones that are capable of overcoming it. However we are at least presented the potential cast that is victim of this.

The first page presents us the 3 important battles of this war. From what we were presented until now the one who has shown some signs of despair or at least beginning of despair is Madara, because Naruto is full of confidence, Bee is just cool, and Kakashi and Gai were practically on the sidelines.

The second battle is with Kages vs Madara. Without question the Kages are the one who are on the verge of despair, however the question is how is this their weakness and can they overcome it.

Tsunade starts out by proving that her medical jutsu can heal anything as she escapes from Madara's clutch and uses her jutsu to heal herself. However as the battle progresses, Madara uses a Rinnegan jutsu to absorb the attack, and proceeds to overwhelm his opponents by making enough clones to change the meaning of 5 vs. 1 in this battle.

In the meanwhile he explains that the first psychological hurdle he threw to the Kages was revealing Shodai's face. This should've caused some despair but Tsunade's tenacity and willpower overcame that. However the casual display of the almighty Rinnegan and the superior numbers favoring Madara at the moment did cause the Kages to split up, but it remains to be seen if their spirit remains united in front of Madara.

So despite the danger of despair, the Kages manage to overcome it.

The other fight features the Uchiha bros and Kabuto. Fortunately-_-', some of the information on that battle is spoiled beforehand and practically tells us that the brothers will unite, despite the suspense provided last week of a 3 way battle.

Kabuto, because of his playfulness or careful tactical maneuvering(born maybe out of despair of fighting against the brothers) tries to convince Sasuke to join him, however he misinterprets Sasuke's intentions in this conflict. In the end he shows signs of confidence and displays a trademark Orochimaru smile in anticipating the coming battle.
The Uchiha brothers instead unite for the first time in their life, and it is a heart-breaking scene mostly because it seems to be built on a lie. Their source of despair is voiced by Kabuto who describes them as individuals who, lost their friends. In the end however the brothers managed to overcome this hurdle, and unite their strengths.

So what is the weakness of despair that the title mentioned? The main weakness is that it provides discord, but fortunately our heroes are on the right path to overcome this.

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Since Alpha said 2 people can work on this ill help you.

However I think impressions should be wrote by everyone...so that comes by default...so can you choose something else besides predictions?:p...this is a test run, so don't be discouraged to choose one of the more laborious parts. I mean I've already wrote the summary part, so you can use pointers from that if you'd like.

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Also....keep in mind, that what I wrote there is not a short summary, there is a brief analysis in there as well...a brief analysis of the characters....I decide to insert that there, because I think that is the tone of the chapter, and I provided an angle from which we can analyze...I can take out the character analysis part at any time, so that anyone can incorporate that, but in more detail...

However if nobody will take character analysis then I will just expand what I wrote in there...and it means that 3 parts of the review are already covered.

[KiSwordsman]

Hello, hello MH members and Naruto fans! And welcome to another Joint Review of Naruto by <insert participants>.
Our golden cast will share ideas and will analyze the events of these week's chapter of Naruto, so gather around a fire and let's start!:party

The chapter's title is very interesting this week, because it presents an emotion that is very frequent in times of war and conflict. Hopelessness, the feeling of being powerless, the absence of people who support you are resounding reasons for despair.

The title assumes that the chapter will present weakness of despair, however it leaves space for us to decide who is displaying this emotion, and who are the ones that are capable of overcoming it. However we are at least presented the potential cast that is victim of this.

The first page presents us the 3 important battles of this war. From what we were presented until now the one who has shown some signs of despair or at least beginning of despair is Madara, because Naruto is full of confidence, Bee is just cool, and Kakashi and Gai were practically on the sidelines.

The second battle is with Kages vs Madara. Without question the Kages are the one who are on the verge of despair, however the question is how is this their weakness and can they overcome it.

Tsunade starts out by proving that her medical jutsu can heal anything as she escapes from Madara's clutch and uses her jutsu to heal herself. However as the battle progresses, Madara uses a Rinnegan jutsu to absorb the attack, and proceeds to overwhelm his opponents by making enough clones to change the meaning of 5 vs. 1 in this battle.

In the meanwhile he explains that the first psychological hurdle he threw to the Kages was revealing Shodai's face. This should've caused some despair but Tsunade's tenacity and willpower overcame that. However the casual display of the almighty Rinnegan and the superior numbers favoring Madara at the moment did cause the Kages to split up, but it remains to be seen if their spirit remains united in front of Madara.

So despite the danger of despair, the Kages manage to overcome it.

The other fight features the Uchiha bros and Kabuto. Fortunately-_-', some of the information on that battle is spoiled beforehand and practically tells us that the brothers will unite, despite the suspense provided last week of a 3 way battle.

Kabuto, because of his playfulness or careful tactical maneuvering(born maybe out of despair of fighting against the brothers) tries to convince Sasuke to join him, however he misinterprets Sasuke's intentions in this conflict. In the end he shows signs of confidence and displays a trademark Orochimaru smile in anticipating the coming battle.
The Uchiha brothers instead unite for the first time in their life, and it is a heart-breaking scene mostly because it seems to be built on a lie. Their source of despair is voiced by Kabuto who describes them as individuals who, lost their friends. In the end however the brothers managed to overcome this hurdle, and unite their strengths.

So what is the weakness of despair that the title mentioned? The main weakness is that it provides discord, but fortunately our heroes are on the right path to overcome this.

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However I think impressions should be wrote by everyone...so that comes by default...so can you choose something else besides predictions?:p...this is a test run, so don't be discouraged to choose one of the more laborious parts. I mean I've already wrote the summary part, so you can use pointers from that if you'd like.

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Also....keep in mind, that what I wrote there is not a short summary, there is a brief analysis in there as well...a brief analysis of the characters....I decide to insert that there, because I think that is the tone of the chapter, and I provided an angle from which we can analyze...I can take out the character analysis part at any time, so that anyone can incorporate that, but in more detail...

However if nobody will take character analysis then I will just expand what I wrote in there...and it means that 3 parts of the review are already covered.

Fair enough, whats the deadline?

[benelori]

Well I don't want to pressure anyone, since this is a test, but maybe you can be done by tomorrow? If you don't have time then Friday is a good day as well...also, what part are you choosing? If you choose Characters, then I will modify my summary, if you will choose something else, then I will take characters as well, and expand what I wrote...

Even though this is a test, I think it's a good practice for all of us to finish our parts as fast as possible, so that the others could start working on their stuff as well...

[jdw]

Sup all. I can do plot (first choice) or character (second choice) development. For this test run, I would appreciate if we could have sections due on Friday. I always have time for Naruto, but I work really long hours, sadly. What will the deadline be for weeks that are not test runs (sorry if I missed it).

[benelori]

Sup all. I can do plot (first choice) or character (second choice) development. For this test run, I would appreciate if we could have sections due on Friday. I always have time for Naruto, but I work really long hours, sadly. What will the deadline be for weeks that are not test runs (sorry if I missed it).

Hey, hey! o/...plot would be awesome....please do that...I already did some of the character part, so plot is next on the list...

And for future reviews, I think Saturdays will be reasonable deadline IMO...

[KiSwordsman]

So I guess that leaves me with characters? Okay then.

[benelori]

So I guess that leaves me with characters? Okay then.

Awesome...then I will rewrite my summary after I see what you and jdw wrote, so that I can make it a short summary for real

[ninjabot]

Okay, so my work schedule is as follows for this week:

Off Monday and Tuesday, work 12 hours on Wednesday and Thursday, then off Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

But because it's a 12 hour, 3rd shift job the next week I work:

Monday and Tuesday, then I'm off Wednesday and Thursday... then I work Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. The hours alternate like that each week. One short, one long. Meaning I just got off of work 2 hours and 20 minutes ago from a 12 hour shift. So after some sleep I can be on to start working on some stuff.

But I want some things squared away first. How many paragraphs should I make my impressions portion, since we're all giving impressions? And second, what else should I pick up in addition, since you want us all to do impressions and something else that takes more work?

I'm guessing predictions along with it?

[benelori]

Okay, so my work schedule is as follows for this week:

Off Monday and Tuesday, work 12 hours on Wednesday and Thursday, then off Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

But because it's a 12 hour, 3rd shift job the next week I work:

Monday and Tuesday, then I'm off Wednesday and Thursday... then I work Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. The hours alternate like that each week. One short, one long. Meaning I just got off of work 2 hours and 20 minutes ago from a 12 hour shift. So after some sleep I can be on to start working on some stuff.

But I want some things squared away first. How many paragraphs should I make my impressions portion, since we're all giving impressions? And second, what else should I pick up in addition, since you want us all to do impressions and something else that takes more work?

I'm guessing predictions along with it?

Yup...you chose predictions first, so that's your part...

Impressions should be one paragraph...we will put each impression under spoiler tag, so it won't occupy much space, so you can make it a longer paragraph if you want to.

[alphabeta]

I give up on understanding how you guys plan to pull this off. Let's just see how it all turns out.


On a more brighter note, I asked gintara to make a Naruto banner for us. Hope she'll make it in time before the 579 deadline.

[benelori]

I give up on understanding how you guys plan to pull this off. Let's just see how it all turns out.

Well it's not hard...we have 5 major parts of the analysis...

1. The summary was done by me(which will be edited after I get KiSwordsman's and jdw's part)
2. KiSwordsman is doing characters
3. Jdw is with the plot
4. I talked with Googz about the art, but he said he was busy, but he might cook up something...
5. And the last remained for Delbi, who is also busy

Each of us will write their impressions in the end, like we did the P.S. part of this review (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/72120-Joint-Review-of-Naruto-551-Stop-Nagato!)

And then ninjabot comes with some predictions...

I will wrap it up with credits and good byes...

It's pretty much like we did the Fairy Tail review...there were 3 of us, so we were perfect to do 3 parts(1 part each)...the reason why it worked well, is because we had clear limitations of what we wrote...I didn't do analysis there, just predictions and so on...in this review we have greater numbers so the tasks need to be set more clearly, so that we do not overlap with what each other is supposed to do...


On a more brighter note, I asked gintara to make a Naruto banner for us. Hope she'll make it in time before the 579 deadline.

Oh thanks...I was going to ask about that, because I think after we are done with the writing part we will need to take care of the visuals(which panels to edit, banner etc...)

[Delbi]

Alright I'll have the action section and my impressions done sometime Friday afternoon.

Just a quick suggestion/question. Should we rotate week to week who does what section? Or will certain people do a certain section every week?

I ask this because if we switch week to week it will keep each section fresh, but if we each do the same section every week it will keep continuity. Each option of course has its pros and cons in terms of the quality of the review and I feel confident we all can handle every section except Art which I think should always fall to Googlez if he is willing of course.

If we do decide to each stick with a section, my first choice would be Characters. But since KiSwordsman got it first I would assume he has first dibs.

[benelori]

Alright I'll have the action section and my impressions done sometime Friday afternoon.

Just a quick suggestion/question. Should we rotate week to week who does what section? Or will certain people do a certain section every week?

I ask this because if we switch week to week it will keep each section fresh, but if we each do the same section every week it will keep continuity. Each option of course has its pros and cons in terms of the quality of the review and I feel confident we all can handle every section except Art which I think should always fall to Googlez if he is willing of course.

Awesome...thanks...Friday will be perfect...\o/

About that...I was going to ask that after we finished this one....originally this was supposed to be a test run, so I figured that we could do the same format next week as well....but if we will finish in time, then we could rotate next week, or maybe do a rotation every 2 weeks, or every 2 reviews...

I don't know really, I'm okay with any section(including art), but maybe others have preferences...for example jdw chose between plot and characters this week, so maybe that is what he likes to write about...

I think we should see if anyone has certain preferences...if someone does have, then that person will stick to what he likes, and the rest of us might do a rotation...

[Delbi]

Ok sounds good to me.

Also, quick question. What site uses the best translations with scans? I've been using mangareader since they are usually quick to get the chapters out but their translations aren't that great. Any suggestions?

[benelori]

Ok sounds good to me.

Also, quick question. What site uses the best translations with scans? I've been using mangareader since they are usually quick to get the chapters out but their translations aren't that great. Any suggestions?

I have absolutely no idea...ashher posted a link in the discussion thread a while ago...dragon fly scans or something? I think...I will check their scan out, because the MR version this week was :s

[Delbi]

http://www.batoto.net/read/_/90703/n...578_by_jeziriz High quality translation of the chapter. The art work isn't as perfect but still good enough, andthe dialogue is much much better than mangareader.

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Ok so here's my section on the action. I'll have to get my person impressions to you later in the day.

The action in this chapter was rather slow with a few high points. With so much talking surrounding the Uchiha Brothers and Kabuto, there was little room for any action from them aside from some shuriken tossing . As for the Kages, they really haven't shown us much we haven't already seen, however Madara has brought out another jutsu that might bring the Kages near death.

We'll start out with the first exchange between Tsuande and Madara.

Tsuande's Byakugō no Jutsu (Strength of a Hundred) is essentially an extension of her Sōzō Saisei (Creation Rebirth) without handseals. Essentially, Tsuande has re-created Hashirama's ability to heal the body without handseals. This in of itself is an incredible feat, and combined with her incredible chakra enhanced strength Tsuande is high near invincible in close range combat.

Saying this, I can't think anyone can say they are surprised she lived through her stabbing by Madara's Sussano, which by the way is still not being evolved to it's final stage (more or on that in a second). What was surprising and very bad ass was the fact that Tsuande pulled the sword from her chest and attempted to strike Madara with it. Granted, this only got her pummeled into the ground (with no damage mind you thanks to her Byakugō no Jutsu) but it just goes to show her ability to get in their and do the dirty work for the Kages (something the Raikage should be doing as well). Tsuande is often hated on for not being "as powerful" as other ninja, but there are few ninja who are capable of doing what she is doing at this juncture.

As for Madara in this little exchange, we see him utilize Sussano for both offensive and defensive purposes, which is nothing new. But strangely, his Sussano is not evolving to it's final form like Sasuke and Itachi's are capable of. Some possible explanations for this are.

1) Madara isn't capable of doing so, because he lacks the skill (highly unlikely)
2) Madara doesn't deem it necessary since he is immortal (most likely)
3) Madara doesn't want to waste his chakra (*See end note).

Onoki is doing his best Goku impression with his Kamahama Jinton: Genkai Hakuri no Jutsu (Dust Release: Detachment of the Primitive World). But sadly, this awesome jutsu is useless, just like all ninjutsu in the eye of the Rinnegan. Madara easily uses his Hungry Ghost Path powers to absorb it, mentioning that he only "allowed" Onoki to hit him before in order for the Kages to see Hashirama's face.

Now, up until this point in the whole Five Kage vs. Madara fight, Madara has pressed the Kages with individual jutsu that are by all means trump cards, and the Kages of somehow managed to survive (mostly thanks to Onoki). He has yet to truly press them continually, but that has all just changed.

Taju Mokuton Bushin no Jutsu! (Multiple Wood Clone Technique) may just be the end of the Kages. Fighting one Madara has proved difficult enough, but now each Kage is individually outnumbered 5 to 1. By all means, just by using his unbelievable fighting skill and speed, these clones of Madara should be able to over-take the Kages and kill all of them. Nevermind the fact that he mocks the Kages by mentioning that each of these clones is fully capable of using Sussano. This is the most overkill and helpless situation I have ever seen in the manga. Even though these are the Five Kage, Madara is EASILY the single most powerful ninja we have witnessed in this manga. With each clone fully capable of doing all Madara can, the outlook is grim.

Moving on to The Uchiha Brothers vs. Kabuto, we have very little physical action. However, Itachi has said he will use his Tsukuyomi Genjutsu to control Kabuto and stop Edo Tensei....

That is all fine and dandy, but it will never work. Kabuto is everything Orochimaru is not, he has surpassed his master in every way possible, and that should include his defense against genjutsu, specifically that of the Sharigan. Itachi's genjutsu will likely fail, as to how that will happen, there is little information we can use to speculate. But...it could have something to do with the with the White Snake transformation Kabuto has undergone. Perhaps the snakes act like a cooperating Biju, as an instant counter to all genjutsu (so long as they know it is happening). Or, perhaps Kabuto has somehow re-created Orochimaru inter-dimensional soul transfer jutsu and when Itachi invades his mind with Tsukuyomi, he'll become trapped, meaning Sasuke would be all alone.

In the coming chapters though, prepare to see a vintage Sasuke (No MS, aside from Sussano maybe) vs. Kabuto. I feel as if Itachi won't be doing much fighting, leaving Sasuke to break Kabuto down with his amazing and wide array of skills since he can't outright kill Kabuto.

Also prepare to see the Kages get smacked around. They had the right strategy to press Madara into a corner and try and have Gaara seal him, but all may be lost right now. Their best bet is for Onoki and Gaara to help everyone take to the sky where Madara can't get them (hopefully) and work from their.

Final Verdict: This was a build up chapter action wise, but none the less Madara's WTF moment of creating Wood Clones was enough for me to give this chapter an average 3/5 in the action Dept.

Notes:

*Edo Tensei should not allow for ninja to become fatigued. People have the misconception that Muu and the Second Mizukage ran out of gas, this isn't the case.

Muu: Used his Splitting technique which cut his soul in half. By doing so he lost the use of Jinton because he lacked the required parts of his soul to preform it. This had nothing to do with stamina, but with the jutsu he used.

Mizukage: Mizukage hails from the same clan that Suigetsu and Mugetsu hail from. Meaning, he gets dehydrated like they do. Edo Tensei brings ninja back the way they are when they died, but it also bring them back with all their imperfections. Hence why Nagato was still crippled, Hanzo was still able to be affected by his own poison without his mask, and while the Mizukage became dehydrated due to his pre-existing physical condition. His stamina was still unlimited, but the type of body he had due to his genetics made him look fatigued because he was dehydrated.

Some may point out that Kimimaro and Itachi were unaffected by their physical aliments when brought back. True, but then again Kabuto could have altered them like he did Madara. Or, since their sicknesses fatigued them (they literally overexerted themselves and died) it would seem that in their case Edo Tensei overrides their disease since they can't die from fatigue any longer being immortal. As for Itachi's eyesight, perhaps being dead restored the eyes power, afterall if his eyes were useless Sasuke should be blind right now.






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If it's too long just tell me and and I'll shorten it, or you guys can shorten it how you please so it better fits the format.

[alphabeta]

Gintara's banner.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d143/Bossing_1992/Graphics/MH/naruto.jpg

[KiSwordsman]

Sent my part in a pm to alpha and bene

[jdw]

My bad guys on lateness, I will have to send in mine later today (PM) :(

[benelori]

My bad guys on lateness, I will have to send in mine later today (PM) :(

No problem...you can post it in here as well though...

[alphabeta]

You know, this might be just a test run, but from the looks of it, we'll have a real JR at the end of this "test run". In other words, a final product, that can even be published in the naruto review section. Or am I getting something wrong here? :ninja

[ninjabot]

Impressions

I thought that the chapter was all in all pretty average, due in no small part to it's predictable nature. Madara continues to drive the 5 Kage to the brink of despair with new, more terrifying Mokuton, much to the dismay of many a reader (to be the pinnacle of Uchiha strength, he's sure not relying on many Uchiha techniques). Kishimoto has convinced us that Kabuto has some kind of plan to stand up to two Mangekyou Sharingan wielders which could lead to an impressive fight; something we've all been wanting to see from Kabuto since he revealed himself as a major player in this war. Edo Tensei was indeed impressive, but nobody likes a one-trick pony.

Though the chapter itself didn't do much outside of foreshadowing Itachi's demise via Kabuto's calm facade and the dying crow at the beginning of the chapter, it did set things up for a fight that has the potential to end the Edo Tensei fiasco (which honestly isn't that bad, considering almost all the Edo Tensei ninja are sealed away by this point), making it an important battle.

Sasuke's behavior was refreshing this chapter. This was the first time in Part 2 that someone has attempted to manipulate his mind for the sake of their own gain, only for him to overcome it. Infact he seemed to have shed his holier-than-thou attitude for the most part, if only for this chapter. He seemed to be earnestly concerned with getting answers from his brother rather than killing Kabuto. Whether his emotions get the better of him and he kills him in a rage induced stupor, or we get a heart-to-heart with the brothers soon should change Sasuke's outlook.

His brother however was all fanservice this chapter. Which was good, as that's the sole purpose of Edo Tensei in the first place. To bring back familiar faces for us to fawn over. Many a reader got excited by him proclaiming that all jutsu have a weakness, and that he was Edo Tensei's weakness and for good reason. Itachi is revered as a calm, analytical, strategic genius type of fighter by fans and characters alike, so when he claims he'll find a weakness, we believe it. Infact if he wasn't obligated to lose due to plot necessity there likely would be no question as to how he manages to stop Edo Tensei (especially considering his proficiency with Genjutsu).

Which brings me to my impression of Kabuto's performance in the chapter: I'm not sold yet. His chuckling and cool, collected demeanor has many a reader believing he's in his comfort zone; that he's perfectly prepared to make light of two Mangekyou Sharingan (one if which being wielded by an immortal). We are to believe that Kabuto is strong enough to defeat both Sasuke and Itachi, but this flies in the face of previously displayed feats by all three of these ninja. It's not farfetched to assume that Kabuto is simply putting on a front and actually isn't capable of any genuine threat here. He could very well have some anti-Genjutsu abilities or failsafe installed into Itachi's body to prevent him from attacking him, but I don't expect any direct hand to hand confrontation or clash of powerful techniques.

I get the impression that he is only giddy about the upcoming scuffle between he and the Uchiha brothers because of some secret that he expects to give him an edge. Yes, trickery and sleight of hand will be the name of the game in the upcoming fight. Which is fine, considering those are the best types of battles in Naruto. It will be a refreshing detour from meteors, giant energy beams ala Kamehameha, and battlefield-razing wood release jutsu.

Speaking of wood jutsu, Madara, despite the boring nature of the fight with the 5 Kage, still continues to dominate with his Mokuton usage which, once again, is getting old. Kishimoto wants to drive home the sense of despair by putting the 5 Kage in a situation they seemingly can't overcome, even with the inherited Will of Fire. While doing so, he continues to play up Hashirama Senju's strength by only showing us more Mokuton. Which in theory isn't bad... it's just too much. He has solidified Madara in our minds as the Big Bad, the guy you do not want to cross. He's solidified Hashirama as the strongest ninja for generations; someone to be feared. Now it's time to show us why the current Kage are the leaders of their respective villages. Turning the supposed strongest ninja in the world into fodder leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and the fact that we've all come to expect no casualties in this war makes the jobbing they're getting from Madara seem even less important. We don't need to see Madara thrash them anymore. We need to see the Kage's do something, or at the very least get some sort of revelation about Madara's past during the fight.


Predictions

I'm of the opinion that the next chapter will focus mainly on Itachi and Sasuke again, as Itachi has already activated his Mangekyou Sharingan, and Kabuto has begun summoning snakes, signifying the start of the fight. The fight is underway, so even if it cuts back to Madara vs. the 5 Kage we'll atleast see the beginning of the battle. I expect Kabuto to continue trying to drive a wedge between the two brothers, resulting in conflicted emotions from Sasuke that may force him to turn on his brother. Afterall, Edo Tensei is all that's keeping Itachi's undead body alive. The cancellation of the jutsu should result in his death, meaning he is lying to Sasuke about talking to him to recieve his aid. For Itachi to betray Sasuke again despite all that's happened would be the finisher; the event that pushes him so far that the small bit of restraint he's shown thus far is thrown out the window.

I don't expect to see Naruto vs. Tobi yet, as it's easily the most important fight of the three going on right now, and needs to be focused on without jumping back and forth. Still, Edo Tensei can't be negated too quickly, as Tobi and Kabuto are in a rough situation as it is already, and losing Edo Madara will be the killing blow that leaves Tobi and Kabuto with no real military strength. I doubt we'll see Kabuto's trump card just yet though.




That's all I got so far. So... yeah. Trying to think of some padding to lengthen it.

EDIT: Oh. Now it looks longer than it did in wordpad, lol.

[KiSwordsman]

You know, this might be just a test run, but from the looks of it, we'll have a real JR at the end of this "test run". In other words, a final product, that can even be published in the naruto review section. Or am I getting something wrong here? :ninja

So if everything is in order and everyone is cool with it, why don't we publish it?

[ninjabot]

I can't for the life of me think of anything else to add in predictions. I hope that's not what we're waiting on. If so, my bad, lol.

[alphabeta]

If jdw finished his part (and send it to bene, cause I didn't receive anything), then I think we could drop the the art corner, and all that's left would be bene's intro + small summary. If that's the case then I we're gonna post this review once bene posts the whole thing into the OP.

EDIT: No wait, we still have the impressions. Bene, how does the scoring system work. Is it on a 1-5 scale? 1-10? 0-1? :shifty

[benelori]

0-1 for each section...there are 5 sections...so it's 0-5 overall...my summary is already posted...until jdw sends his bit to me, I'll take care of the art corner as well...

[alphabeta]

So I assume it is official now that this review will be published?

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BTW, we still need the panels for the analysis. Othewise the banner will be the only graphic in this 3000+ characters review.

[benelori]

So I assume it is official now that this review will be published?

---------- Post added at 02:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:36 PM ----------

BTW, we still need the panels for the analysis. Othewise the banner will be the only graphic in this 3000+ characters review.

It will be published if we arrive in time, which looks we will...

We need panels as well...I can choose the panels this time, since this is the first time we worked together...next time everyone can choose the panels themselves...

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We still need impressions from everyone, I would ask you to make those impressions short and to the point...

[KiSwordsman]

Impressions

I liked the chapter overall. My one grievance with it, is the fact that Madara is effortlessly manhandling the five Kage. I understand that it's to be expected, but it gets boring and tedious after a while. Unless the five Kage are going to somehow overcome this, as unlikely as that seems, I honestly do not see a point in Kishimoto wasting pages to show it. The only thing that kept my interest, is the entire situation between Kabuto and the Uchiha brothers. The fact that Itachi and Sasuke are finally working together is cool, and it will be interesting to see what Kabuto has a up his sleeve.

[ninjabot]

We still need impressions from everyone, I would ask you to make those impressions short and to the point...

Yikes. My impressions are long and all around the point instead of short and to the point. I guess the first and second paragraph, since they focus mainly on the main point? Just cut and paste the parts that get the right idea across and use them.

[Delbi]

My Impressions. If they need to be longer let me know.

1) Overall chapter: .8. A very good chapter, that certainly sets up quite a bit for the next week. The Kages have been backed into a corner, and for the first time ever we get to see two Uchiha's fight side by side. Should be awesome.
2) Character Development: .8. Sasuke and thinking with his head for once and teaming up with his brother is good and shows he isn't just hell bent on revenge. Also the resolve of the Kages vs. Madara finally being serious and even joking to point of mocking the Kages was nice to see.
3) Plot: .6. Nothing really big has really happened that shouldn't have already happened, no big surprises really.
4) Art: .7 No crazy scenes but no glaring mistakes or too messy scenes.
5) Action: .6 A few high notes but nothing over the top or crazy.

[KiSwordsman]

I'll do characters again this week.

[Delbi]

I'll do action again.

[jdw]

Back like I never left! Sup all. I can do plot (first choice). I will be on time, promise :(

[M3J]

I wanna see ninjabot vs. jdw, that'd be such an interesting "debate."

Though, more interested in theirs and Delbi's thoughts of the chapters. This is one review I look forward to. :)

[KiSwordsman]

Here's my part

579 Characters


This week's chapter begins where the last one left off. Sasuke and Itachi are standing side by side facing Kabuto.

While grabbing his hood, Kabuto states that as a shy person, he is not used to being stared at. Sasuke points out that this is merely an attempt for Kabuto to avoid genjutsu from the two of them. Kabuto covers his face from view as his snakes prepare to strike. Itachi comments on the fact that the snakes seem to still be able to sense them based on their movement. Sasuke confirms this, saying that snakes can sense body temperature and can track prey by passing scents through their mouth. Itachi makes a note of Sasuke's knowledge, calling him an expert on snakes. Sasuke informs his brother that he did a lot of research to defeat Orochimaru. Kabuto cuts in, saying that a mere snake expert cannot defeat him because "nature is his ally." The snakes surrounding Kabuto get bigger, which doesn't escape Sasuke notice. Itachi interprets Kabuto's comment on nature as having the advantage of location, and warns Sasuke of traps. Kabuto seems to take offense to this, because he tells Itachi not to insult him before attacking with his snakes.


The brothers defend with susanoo and there is a quick shot of Anko on the ground, motionless. Itachi Holds the snakes, while Sasuke slices through them. Itachi again warns Sasuke not to kill Kabuto, but Sasuke reminds his brother that Kabuto currently has Orochimaru's power and will not die easily. Sasuke dashes to Kabuto's location intent on forcibly revealing him, only to discover that the attack was a diversion so that Kabuto could create roam between himself and the Uchiha brothers. The snakes revealed beneath the hood do just that, as they speed off further into the cave. Before they all can get away, Sasuke, using the predictive abilities of the sharingan, hurls his sword at one of them catching it by the tail. This slight victory it short lived, as the snake passes through the blade anyway and retreats, slicing its tail in the process.


Sasuke taunts Kabuto, stating that if shedding his skin and running away is all he can do, then placing Orochimaru's DNA into his body did nothing but make him a weaker version of Orochimaru. Kabuto comments on the fact that Sasuke is underestimating him, but grants that Sasuke's bounty was higher than his. And his was nothing compared to a Orochimaru's. Sasuke cuts in, reminding Kabuto that he cannot hide from him, before focusing with his mangekyo. Snakeskin chakra is revealed to be littering the cave, keeping the Uchiha brothers from locating the real Kabuto. Itachi points this out, as Kabuto goes more in depth about the ability. He explains that the ability belongs to Suigetsu's Clan. It uses bodily fluids to break the body down. Which is why it looks like he's shedding his skin. He created the technique by studying and altering the transformation ability of Suigetsu's Clan. The cut snake tail from earlier is seen healing as Kabuto reveals that he also has an amazing recovery power. A power he gained from studying the body of an Uzumaki female. The female in question is revealed to be Karin, a fact that Sasuke didn't seem to be aware of. Kabuto informs him that members of the Uzumaki Clan typically have red hair, and amazing vitality. With two members of Sasuke's old team out of the way, Kabuto inquires if Sasuke is wondering about the last member. He compliments Sasuke on his choice of teammates before stating that "in the world of ninja, if one does not possess talent then ones very existence is denied. However, if one has no talent then all they need to do is steal it from someone who does and make it their own."

Sasuke takes this as confirmation that Kabuto possesses Jugo's abilities as well, asking him if he also has the cursed seal. Kabuto states that the cursed seal is just an imitation, and that the power itself can be gained by self training at Ryuuchidou. Itachi indicates that he knows what Kabuto's talking about, while Kabuto goes on to further explain that Ryuuchidou is equally as famous as Myoubokuzan and Shikkotsurin. And that he and Orochimaru found this place. At this point the snakes have come out of hiding and Sasuke shows surprise at the fact that they seem to be morphing together. Kabuto states that he trained under the great snake sage at Ryuuchidou and mastered this power, claiming to have finally surpassed Orochimaru because of it. He tries to emerge from the mouth of the snake, while at the same time Sasuke tries to intercept him. Activating susanoo, Sasuke fires off an arrow intent on skewering Kabuto to the rock behind him before he can emerge from the snake. Itachi yells at his brother to calm down due to the fact that such an action could kill Kabuto. However, as the dust settles, the arrow is shown to have missed its target, leaving Kabuto to comically wag the finger of his partially emerged arm. As if to say " ah ah ah."

Sasuke is in a state of extreme surprise, as Kabuto explains that his perceptual abilities have been greatly increased, once again stating that "natural energy is his ally." Itachi seems to confirm whatever train of thought he had regarding Kabuto as the man in question explains the secret behind Jugo's ability. It turns out that Jugo's moments of craziness were caused by his clan's ability to involuntarily absorb National Energy. Orochimaru's true goal lied not in the form that Jugo took, but in the source of the clan's power. He eventually found that source in Ryuuchidou. After which, he immediately began to experiment to try and obtain the power. But unfortunately for him, he did not have the body capable of withstanding it. Kabuto states that this was why Orochimaru could not become a perfect sage like him.


At this point, Kabuto has fully emerged from the snake with a slightly different appearance. The sclera of his eyes have turned completely black. His pupils have become more serpent like, and he has horn like appendages on his head. However, the most notable change is the fact that he has legs, and the snake creature believed to be his lower half is merely a snake wrapped around his waist. Itachi vocalizes his earlier confirmation, and recognizes the form as sage mode. Sasuke however dismisses Kabuto, stating that he's just like Orochimaru, an incomplete snake. Kabuto informs the "snake expert" that he is no longer a snake. The power of sage mode has shed his snakeskin and "transformed him into a dragon."

The chapter ends with Kabuto performing the sage art technique: white aggression.
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Impressions


I liked this chapter a lot. More for the information that we learn than anything else. It was kind of already hinted that Karin was an Uzumaki, so that's not much of a surprise. The highlight of the chapter was the information we learned about Jugo's Clan. It's good to know that the toads aren't the only ones with access to sage mode. I personally take issue with the fact that the snakes version of sage mode is labeled as "evil" or "filthy." Regardless of that however, it's still good to know that that toads aren't the only summon animals that have their own culture and place of residence. The most hilarious part of the chapter for me, was Kabuto's display of team hawks techniques. The reason I find this funny is because of the fact that it means that team hawk, specifically Juugo and Suigetsu, have no other importance than the scroll they possess right now. Their abilities can be explored through Kabuto. This means that they are disposable, and I find that absolutely hilarious. If I had to pick a low point, or something that I didn't like about the chapter, it would be susanoo. Don't get me wrong, that Uchiha brothers working together is cool. However, Itachi and Sasuke are two of the most versatile ninja in the manga, is it absolutely necessary for them to use susanoo so much right now? Overall it was a good chapter. It has me excited for what we might learn about sage mode next week.

[jdw]

Here we go:


jdw task - Plot development, pace, new revelations/info...basically anything that moves or doesn't move the plot forward, or anything that expands the lore

The major revelations of the chapter are:

1. Kabuto has achieved Sage Mode and elevated to being a dragon and not a mere snake by training with the Sage of White Snake at Ryuchi Dou, which is as notable as Myobokuzan. This is rather important because it even surprises and impresses Itachi, who is a pro at analysis. If he knows f it and still cares, then it probably matters a great deal.

2. Kabuto obtained much of his power by researching the shinobi who would later be called upon by Sasuke to be a part of Hebi/Taka: Suigetsu, Karin, and Juugo.

3. Karin is an Uzumaki. This could be a rather important fact going forward, but we will have to wait and see. Sasuke was interested in this fact for one reason or another, but we don't know yet the extent of his curiosity.

4. Snakes are not completely useless. The Sage of the White Snake training Kabuto to achieve their version of Sage Mode is truly stunning as there was no previous indication that there were any other practicing Sage arts outside of those affiliated with the toads of Myoubokuzan.

Overall, the pacing of the chapter moved fairly fast. 578 ended with Itachi and Sasuke facing off against Kabuto. 579 launches into actual combat after a few words are exchanged.

We didn't really see any advancement of the Uchiha brothers as this was mainly Kabuto's chance to show something. There was twin Susanoo, but no abilities that we have not seen previously.

One interesting point is about Kabuto's perception in Sage Mode. There is no sure basis of comparison of actual ability across the Sage Modes (Snake/Toad), but could it be possible that Kabuto's avoidance of Sasuke's arrow means that Naruto would be able to avoid it in Sage Mode? Just something to think about as the story unfolds I guess.

Impressions
Not a huge fan of the chapter but it was good. It was interesting to learn that Karin is indeed and Uzumaki, which is something Naruto fans thought could be possible but lacked conclusive evidence. I wonder how she will play a role going forward. Her role should seemingly be expanded as a living Uzumaki.

I am not pleased about the other Sage Mode. It comes off very cheaply imo, as snakes have been fairly useless in the manga, generally lacking in skills/jutsu, but now they have the possibility of Sage Mode Dragon Edition.

Sasuke's observation about Kabuto's snakes intending to interfere with their genjutsu is fascinating. He doesn't quite say that it is certain to succeed, but that he mentioned it makes it seem like the possibility may exist. Still, there hasn't been any obvious Uchiha genjutsu yet, so maybe Kabuto is on to something.

Itachi's sense of humor continues to come through after his death. Calling Sasuke Dr. Snakes is an instant classic.

Haven't really done this before so please let me know if it is insufficient or could use some help.

[benelori]

Awesome!!....I'm gonna write my part as soon as possible....

[Delbi]

I'm currently writing up my part. Sorry for the delay had a busy weekend with work and school.

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The action of this chapter was more so a build up to the juicy parts of the fight between the Uchiha brothers and Kabuto that are bound to ensue in coming chapters; even still quite a few interesting things happened, along with a few reveals in reguards to new jutsu.

Before we get to what everyone is raving about (Kabuto's Dragon Sage Mode), it should be noted that right off the bat Itachi and Sasuke whipped out Sussano. Frankly, it's disappointing for me to see these two great fighters turned into nothing more than mecha operators, but alas, I guess they need to pull out the big guns considering who their opponent is and the situation they are in. What should be noted is that while Itachi has infinite stamina, Sasuke does not, and for once, Itachi won't be this feeble ninja having to hold back. It'll be interesting to see if stamina becomes an issue for Sasuke during this fight.

Starting off though, both Itachi and Sasuke began engaging Kabuto differently. Itachi took a more restrained approach and didn't attempt to hurt Kabuto whereas Sasuke immediately cut through his snakes. While Itachi is usually always correcting Sasuke, this time it was Sasuke who corrected Itachi claiming that they mustn’t take it easy on Kabuto given the fact he has Orochimaru's powers. This should lead into quite the brawl between these fighters as it's becoming blatantly obvious that even if the Uchiha brothers wanted to kill Kabuto, they might not succeed.

Speaking of Kabuto, is it just me or did Kishi take some influence for Doc. Ock from the Spider-Man comics in the way he uses his snakes? Offensively Kabuto didn't display much in this chapter, but I do like his fighting style nonetheless. And his initial attacks with the snakes were pretty cool.

But while Kabuto may not have been offensive heavy this week, his defense is proving to be quite impressive. Not only does he have an amazing defense against ocular genjutsu with his snakes, but his healing capabilities and ability to liquefy (thanks to Karin and Suigetsu respectively) have given him quite the powerful body. Watching him easily deal with an onslaught that would leave most ninja's gasping for straws was impressive. These abilities alone would make him quite the headache for nearly anyone in the manga, and yet, neither of those improvements compare much to his new trump card....

DRAGON SAGE MODE <_>

With the help of Juugo's DNA and training at Ryuchidou Kabuto has now become a Sage, and good God is that scary. Remember when Kakashi, a very fast ninja with the Sharigan failed to dodge Sasuke's Sussano arrow and had to use Kamui? Kabuto has no such problem thanks to the perceptual ability of his new Sage Mode. Now, if his Sage Mode is like Naruto's we can assume his body just received a massive upgrade in the strength, speed, and durability department as well (it will also be interesting to see if there are differences between the two, such as one being better at doing something than the other). O, and let's not forget adding natural energy to his techniques is going to boost their power as well. Yea, Itachi and Sasuke are in for quite a ride. And whatever Sage Technique: Hakugeki Jutsu is, I'm sure it'll be cool and quite deadly.

Overall the action in this chapter surmounts to two exchanges, Kabuto attacking Sasuke and Itachi with his snakes and them countering said attack, and Kabuto dodging Sasuke's Sussano arrow. Not all that exciting, but the reveal of Dragon Sage Mode will surely give us an action packed chapter next week. I'd give the action this week a 3/5.

Impressions:

While the reveal of Dragon Sage Mode was a surprise this week, I can't help but think that Kishi is simply running out of ideas. It disappoints me as a fan that he would follow up using Edo Tensei with having Kabuto have a power-up that many thought was unique to only Jiraiya and Naruto. It seems like a cop out if you ask me. Saying that, I am excited to see this fight as it might give us a preview of what to expect if Sasuke and Naruto ever throw down. Also it's great to see Itachi and Sasuke fighting together and I like that Sasuke is taking the lead since he knows more about Kabuto than Itachi.

Here you go.

[benelori]

In a few minutes I will have my part posted, and probably art and predictions as well...of course if anybody wants to take something for himself, be my guest...

I have a few observations though: for the stuff that has been submitted so far...content-wise there are no problems with them, except maybe Characters where there's not much analysis, but more like re-telling the chapter...I think maybe the problem might be that it's unclear how to approach such an analysis...


Character traits...what traits can be noticed in this chapter?
- Itachi being calmer than Sasuke, yet Sasuke being more weary of snake power
- Itachi with sense of humor, similar to how Nagato was with Naruto....might draw parallel between the two...
- Kabuto being as smart and as clever as usual, but with small hints of overconfidence(overconfidence in villains means their death)

This is are just 3 precise things from the chapter...3 characters, 3 ideas that come from observing how the characters behave...using the content of the chapter, by emphasizing on a dialogue line or a certain event, should come after establishing the basic ideas)

@KiSwordsman....I think the direction of the approach should be reverse...not starting from chapter to reach ideas(which many times turns into a summary of the chapter), but starting from ideas, and backing up them up


However most times the how to approach and how to write it down/organize the ideas go hand in hand...

I've noticed two similar formats from jdw and Delbi...the basic idea is to come illustrate the main points, and then writing an overall impressions part.

I like this, however I can't and won't decide by myself what should we adopt, or should we even adopt one format...
- jdw's format is more precise and to the point, and consequently shorter, which means the entire review is easier to read
- Delbi's format reaches out with more cohesive text, and contains a more detailed analysis of what we are seeing in the chapter...


So which way should we go? Should we try both? So next week we would go with one format, and then with another? Of course this format would be applied to both Characters and Art as well...

[KiSwordsman]

So basically, describe how the characters present themselves within the chapter and explore that? Well, I felt a little put on the spot, but I will revise my section.

[jdw]

Honestly, I think we should each have a word/character limit. The limit does not have to be low, but it should reflect, when totaled across all contributions, the type of length a person would willingly read and/or respond to. If our combined review is too long, no one will read, imo. I think the lengths we have so far are great, but we need to make sure we don't overwhelm people at the same time going forward.

[KiSwordsman]

Revised 579 Characters

In this chapter the focus was entirely on the Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto fight. The characters presented themselves in three completely different ways in regard to each. However, this was not out of the norm for two of them.

Sasuke was his observant, condescending self. While Kabuto, like his master before him, was very confident, despite the situation. It was Itachi's attitude that I found interesting this week. While calm, like he usually tends to be. He was also slightly humorous, giving Sasuke the nickname "doctor snakes," which ended up becoming a running gag for the chapter. I found this odd, but then remembered how Nagato acted with Naruto before Kabuto stripped him of his free will. Most likely, the logic behind this is that some characters brought back with edo-tensei, especially Itachi, no longer have a reason to present themselves the same way that they did while alive. It would make sense, given Itachi's words to Sasuke at the end last weeks chapter.

At the end of the chapter we see why Kabuto has been so confident throughout it, despite hiding from the Uchiha brothers for most of it. It turns out that, along with taking the abilities of both Karin and Suigetsu, he has also taken, or rather learned Jugo's ability. Which in truth turns out to be the snakes version of sage mode. Not only has Kabuto learned this ability, he has mastered it, becoming a perfect sage. If that weren't enough, he claims to have become a dragon because of his mastery over the ability. Weather this meant symbolically, or literally remains to be seen. We can gather that he seems very confident in the ability, due to the fact that he chose to stop hiding from both Sasuke and Itachi upon its activation. This implies that he possibly is no longer wary of their genjutsu.

Even more interesting is the fact that Itachi seemed to be aware of not only the the places that Kabuto mentioned, but also sage mode itself. However, given the fact that Itachi has been shown to be informed about things like the identity of Naruto's parents, I suppose it's not all that surprising.

There isn't that much to say about Sasuke. The one thing that I can say regarding him is that he seems to be alot less mentally unstable in his brothers presence. He is still a little hot headed and condesending, but seems alot less likely to kill someone at the drop of a hat.

I didn't think that I had to resubmit my impressions sense they are the exact same as in the unrevised version.

[benelori]

Review is posted ( http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/75981-Joint-Review-of-Naruto-579)....finally!!! Sorry for the delay though...

I will try my best to keep my schedule up next time, so that there won't be any delays like this in the future. But good work everyone, thanks for taking part, and let's do this again...hopefully with ninjabot and Googz joining in.
[hr]

About the word limit...do you guys have anything in mind? A certain number?...I think this time the review was really acceptable considering the size, because there was an equal distribution of plot, character development and action. But sometimes maybe there will be only some battle, so there will be more analysis for that, or maybe there will be only characters featured.

But I agree we should reach a consensus on a max size.

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This time the review has roughly 2400 words. Dividing that to the 6 different parts we have, that's roughly 400 per category.

400 words include both the assigned parts and impressions. So is that an acceptable number? Should we lower it to 300, which would allow a similarly sized Art analysis to be included, and a small summary?

Of course these word numbers are just estimates, there's no hurt if we pass the limit and write, say 330 words.

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I also made a new thread, so we can head there to discuss these new details...

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/75982-Naruto-580-XXX?p=2833647#post2833647

[jdw]

I am going to be away this weekend, basically starting right now, so I may not have a chance to post the plot review. I will try to post it before Friday night, but if things come up, or I don't have reliable internet access I may not be able to. I will certainly try though. Worst case, I should be back in time for the next chapter review.

[Delbi]

@jdw if you aren't able to do it just PM and I'll do it for you this week and you can return to action next week.

[alphabeta]

Review published, thread locked.

[KiSwordsman]

wait 580 was published?

[alphabeta]

wait 580 was published?

No, 579 was. This is the 579 thread afterall ;)

[KiSwordsman]

Yeah, bene already gave us a link for that. I guess that's why I assumed it was 580.