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Samael1105
April 23, 2012, 01:21 PM
We all love Cadis Etrama Di Raizel. We all like to think him invincible and magnificent and yet, if we look at him closely, we see an old man who's watched a world pass by around him and never really been a part of it. A man who's lived for duty and never for himself. Only now, after an eternity of duty, he's begun to live a life with friends and fun.

I see these as the actions of a man who is living out his final days. I think he realizes that he may die soon and accepts that, just as the Lord accepted that it was time for a new generation to rule the nobles.

However, the world needs a Noblesse. I believe that before the end, he will seek a successor, someone to whom he can give his awesome power and near infinite wisdom. Someone who he can trust with the protection of the world.

I'm not expecting people to agree, but any opinions or contrasting theories?

Monsterguy
April 23, 2012, 03:11 PM
Wow, interesting thinking...:)

As for me, I hope to see that in the past Noble people more precisely "clan Leaders" were afraid that 'normal people'(like for example later Franky) might soon become so powerfull that Nobles would at some point become overpowered what would lead to their extinction !!!

With this some clan Leaders would want to gain more power(they themselves would become greedy for power).

But where to get the RAW power ???

It's obvious from a Noblesse of course, since a Noblesse contains his/her power in their body and is not sealing it in a soul weapon, what makes extraction easier.

With this a few clan Leaders stepped together and made it look like the death or as it is said in story "eternal slumber" from the previous Noblesse looked like as if normal people killed him/her.

This kind of plan would allow them to steal previous Noblesse's body and with the body of the current Noblesse(that would become Rai) they would become able to extract all power out of that old body(from the previous Noblesse) and use it for their own purposes.

Later they would even try to capture the current Noblesse, but he himself would always be near the Lord, what would not allow them to move a finger on Rai.

So after many years of loyal serving to the previous Lord, Rai would go in a mission where he would be instantly betrayed and when being chased by his own kin/people without knowing why, Rai would hid himself(that's when he has gone to a long sleep).

In current time the clan Leaders that batrayed Rai might still be looking for him, thuz they even though the chances were small for Rai to be in a coffin that they found before the development in the first chapter, they still wanted to retrive it, not to let go 'even' the small chance(from so many fake reports where Rai might be hiding) to let 'slip by'.

Wouldn't this be reasonable, and open a new path for the story to evolve ???

suraj5898
May 12, 2012, 02:22 AM
rai respect old lord and he told rai to dont came soon so i dont think rai will die soon atlest not for 50-100 years. we know rai is very kind person and as old lord say living lord's life is very difficult but living noblesse life is more difficult so i dont think rai would want someone he like live noblesse life and i also think this is resone why when old lord ask him to become lord he didnt accept

Charlie
May 12, 2012, 03:55 AM
If not mentioned already, welcome to mh and the noblesse section Samael.

I thought it would be nice if Rai had a successor. If Raizel x Queen ever happens maybe a new Noblesse will come-forth? I mean they've already had their first date over Ramen right? :teehee.

Could Regis, Rael (shudders) , Shinwoo (contract?) be one in the future?

phio_chan
June 11, 2012, 09:02 AM
The mystery behind the selection and life span of a Noblesse is still a big question for us now. Hopefully it can somehow be answered in the next arc?! :zomg

As for successor... I do think we need one. As Samael said, the world will still need a Noblesse to watch over the nobles and humans and their relationship with each other, to help keep things in balance. So hopefully he can prevent situations like the betrayal before happening again. The questions now are who and how (and when maybe). It's really hard for me to say who, there doesn't seem to be any stand-out candidates so far. I still feel that a noble is needed to act as a Noblesse; a jump for Shinwoo for example to be crowned as the next Noblesse may be too much..

Just now there is a random thought of Frank being the next Noblesse. He is not purely human anyway, so... :rofl

I really can't think of anything right now. It just don't seem possible at this moment. Maybe Regis, closest to all, and since Gejutel is still around... But a Noblesse 'must have' no clan to lead, so this is tricky. :x

Samael1105
June 25, 2012, 02:06 PM
Haven't been on in a while. I'm glad that I'm not the only one thinking about this. In response to Phio chan, I don't think it can be Frank. He's powerful but unpredictable, and he can't fully control his power. Moreover he's... rebellious, and tends to work towards his own desires, (or at least what can best help his master) while the Noblesse must be all about duty.

Regis is a good noble, and almost definitely in line to be the clan leader after Gejutel, but he is also rash and quick to anger, and possibly a bit cocky, though that's getting better. I don't see him as the Noblesse type.

That leaves Shinwoo. He is young, immature, rude, and kind of stupid. However, he is also good, noble, trustworthy, kind, and the perfect friend to have your back when you need him. He has shown several times that he will do everything to help the people he cares about. If he would just grow up a bit, he might be the perfect candidate.

There is also the matter of M-23. In his quest for personhood, after gaining his freedom, he has shown an amazing nack for duty, and doing the right thing when it needs to be done. Also the author tends to draw attention to him, developing him more than most of the other characters. I am a writer of sorts, so this is the type of thing I see.

As to the matter of How, that is completely beyond me. I partly think that all of Rai's being might be converted into a soul weapon for the next person, but if he can't survive his own power, god knows how anyone else would.

But, I have gone way to long. I think way to much about his stuff. Hope you've enjoyed my rant, and feel free to post your thoughts.

suraj5898
June 26, 2012, 12:49 AM
Regis is a good noble, and almost definitely in line to be the clan leader after Gejutel, but he is also rash and quick to anger, and possibly a bit cocky, though that's getting better. I don't see him as the Noblesse type.

That leaves Shinwoo. He is young, immature, rude, and kind of stupid. However, he is also good, noble, trustworthy, kind, and the perfect friend to have your back when you need him. He has shown several times that he will do everything to help the people he cares about. If he would just grow up a bit, he might be the perfect candidate.



well u said all good thing about Shinwoo and all bad thing about Regis it look like u realy love shinwoo and u can't see any good thing in others
let see when Regis first come he think rai and frank r normal human and m21 is m21 even that time he never use his power against m21 when rai or frank is around . and he let D5 (5 men team i hope its right name) beat him so they didnt harm shinwoo and others. so he have all the good qualities that shinwoo have and he is real noble so if shinwoo can become noblesse then Regis also have chance
well i m not favors in Regis because i think vice-caption is always good to replace caption . caption is rai and vice-caption is frank . after rai he is most powerful member in team. he can challenge clanleader . he is most knowledgeable in team . he care for human. so if there is anyone going for successor no 1 contender is frank (well i think u guys maybe have others in mind but for me he is no1)

TheBoss
July 24, 2012, 10:53 PM
The thing is, if Rai actually gives his powers to anybody else, that means that it could have existed another Noblesse before Raizel? Oo
and if it did who was it and why did he choose Raizel-nim?
Well out of all that vampire crap that exists nowadays(Twilight) im glad that i started reading noblesse, it really makes u want to read more and more.

Jammin
October 18, 2012, 11:01 PM
The thing is, if Rai actually gives his powers to anybody else, that means that it could have existed another Noblesse before Raizel? Oo
and if it did who was it and why did he choose Raizel-nim?
Well out of all that vampire crap that exists nowadays(Twilight) im glad that i started reading noblesse, it really makes u want to read more and more.That's a good question. Was he born special or chosen later?

Either way though, I'm thinking with Soul Weapons(Passing on of powers through artifacts), Awakenings (Raizel releasing latent power through the use of his own), and Contracts (Nobles granting humans superhuman power) the groundwork has pretty thouroughly been laid for Raizel to be able to create a new Noblesse and give him at least some measure of his power.

I'm thinking that time isn't nearly as far off as we might think either and IMO their is already a pretty clear candidate; and that candidate is Shin Woo.

Shin Woo was one of the first characters introduced and really was the first one to reach out to Raizel and get him to join his group of friends; which in hindsight we know to be a huge deal (the Previous Lord would be stunned) It would also fit nicely into the idea of the Nobles adapting their ways to a "human world".

It's probably also worth noting that when Shin Woo is in the room Raizel always seems to follow his lead, that may say a little something about how he would wear authority.

TheBoss
October 19, 2012, 11:18 AM
That's a good question. Was he born special or chosen later?

Either way though, I'm thinking with Soul Weapons(Passing on of powers through artifacts), Awakenings (Raizel releasing latent power through the use of his own), and Contracts (Nobles granting humans superhuman power) the groundwork has pretty thouroughly been laid for Raizel to be able to create a new Noblesse and give him at least some measure of his power.

I'm thinking that time isn't nearly as far off as we might think either and IMO their is already a pretty clear candidate; and that candidate is Shin Woo.

Shin Woo was one of the first characters introduced and really was the first one to reach out to Raizel and get him to join his group of friends; which in hindsight we know to be a huge deal (the Previous Lord would be stunned) It would also fit nicely into the idea of the Nobles adapting their ways to a "human world".

It's probably also worth noting that when Shin Woo is in the room Raizel always seems to follow his lead, that may say a little something about how he would wear authority.
Yeah I agree. That could also close the gap between the "Normal human characters" and the mess that is the nobles and the union.
I guess since the beginning Shin Woo was the main character, but we will only see that when Rai-nim steps out =\
It's a wait to see situation ^^

strixflash
October 23, 2012, 10:07 AM
I think Noblesse have its own bloodline(just like the Lord). Rai was the son of previous Noblesse. Remember,he have his own soul weapon though it doesnt have any physical form.
I am totally against the theory of Regis or Shinwoo as the next Noblesse. Either Rai will be the last Noblesse so that no one in the future have to take such a huge burden or he will have his own son/daughter as the Noblesse.

Zatono
October 23, 2012, 11:32 PM
I'd think Frankenstein is a little more likely then Shinwoo. He's already got a ton of knowledge on nobles and the Union, and I doubt he'd let himself fall behind with current events in the human world at any point.

The only thing going for Shinwoo is that Rai seems to like him, and Seira apparently has a crush on him. Other then that he's just a good hand to hand fighter.

phio_chan
October 24, 2012, 11:58 PM
Either Rai will be the last Noblesse so that no one in the future have to take such a huge burden or he will have his own son/daughter as the Noblesse.

I like the idea of being the last Noblesse. It seems very hard, the job of a Noblesse. And I think Raskreia has already opened up to things related to humans, she is growing up as a leader, and if the Union is to be cleared of the evildoers it won't be too much of a problem. And the nobles seem peaceful as well. ^^;


The only thing going for Shinwoo is that Rai seems to like him, and Seira apparently has a crush on him. Other then that he's just a good hand to hand fighter.

Given the current plot, this is as far as I can get at the moment with Shin Woo as well. Humans are kind of left behind lately; we see them at happy moments only. It feels as if they are truly decorations, not supporting like what we see in first arc for example. Although I still hope Shin Woo could be a mark to a better relationship between nobles and humans, in a way or another. :P

Blackdynamite410
October 25, 2012, 04:13 AM
Its been said that Regis and Seira are the future of the nobles, they also happen to be the two that are closest to the Noblesse. I don't think that either one of them will inherit the title of noblesse but I do believe they will carry on his will. I can see Rai leaving a portion of his soul in each of his earrings and leaving them to the two.

Jammin
October 25, 2012, 08:17 AM
I like how diverse the views on this are.:^_^

I'm not really a subscriber to Regis or Seira as a potential Noblesse or Frankenstein being the inheritor, and the son or daughter thing seems like it would be "out of left field" to me; but I've been wrong before. See my review threads for proof of that.:p

FrostyMouse
October 29, 2012, 05:12 PM
For me, I think Franky would be a good choice, but he's not a Noble, so it shouldn't work.

I still have never understood where the whole Shinwoo loving crowd came from, but normal humans aren't even seen on screen except for a moment or two now, so the idea of him leveling up that much is ridiculous.

TheBoss
October 29, 2012, 08:23 PM
For me, I think Franky would be a good choice, but he's not a Noble, so it shouldn't work.

I still have never understood where the whole Shinwoo loving crowd came from, but normal humans aren't even seen on screen except for a moment or two now, so the idea of him leveling up that much is ridiculous.
Yeah frosty, I agree that shinwoo is basicly useless but he should have a plot waiting for him dont you think?
I may be wrong but I think besides him, there is not much more room for plot development than the old - Elders come, Rai \ franky defeats them.
So have hope on the weak humans xD

Jammin
October 30, 2012, 12:47 PM
For me, I think Franky would be a good choice, but he's not a Noble, so it shouldn't work.

I still have never understood where the whole Shinwoo loving crowd came from, but normal humans aren't even seen on screen except for a moment or two now, so the idea of him leveling up that much is ridiculous.For me it's because of I always feel a bit apprehensive about a story that starts with characters being strong and developed, like Frankenstein and Raizel. That's the kind of stuff I like to see happen during a story. Even M-21, Tao, and Takeo are the same to a lesser degree. They are all superhuman.

It's always more interesting to have a character who starts mortal and goes on to goditude, at least to me.

Plus, as Boss said, he's gotta have a role in the plot. It would just be too weird for one of the first characters introduced to have no significant role. That's what I think anyway.:amuse

Cyrs
October 31, 2012, 03:05 AM
I'd like to think that Rai has always been the one-and-only Noblesse. And so maybe what the story is moving toward is a world that doesn't need a Noblesse any more, and Rai can live a regular life?

But I do see Shin Woo having an important role in the story.

Instead of Rai giving something to Shin Woo, maybe it's Frankenstein who passes on his powers. After all, Franky is a human. So he ought to pass his powers onto another human, right?

suraj5898
November 01, 2012, 06:49 AM
i think shinwoo and other kids already have important role in the story. if u think from time rai wakeup and come to school he become friend with them .what rai needed most important is friends . i mean before that rai live with frank and sometime clanleader would come to meet him.but most of time in his life rai was alone so shinwoo is good for role of friend then noblesse

Blackdynamite410
November 03, 2012, 12:46 PM
If Rai dies at the end of the seiries whiat if one of his last acts is to use some of his remaining power to give Franken a portion of his soul in order to permanently calm the dark spear. We saw that Rajaks blood was enough to return Franken back to normal during his little rampage so just imagine what Rai's blood/ soul would do. This could be a way for Rai to show his gratitude to his loyal servant while further strengthening one of the strongest characters in this series. While not a noble if he had rais soul and will I could see the Lord allowing Franken to continue his Lords mission.

Far fetched I know but still more believable than Shinwoo IMO.

2bst2d
December 18, 2012, 04:02 AM
I like the idea of Shinwoo as successor precisely because he is a mere human and only uses his abilities to defend the weak from the strong. Everyone else seems to have at least one conflict in their character here and there. (Regis' arrogance, clan affiliation; M-21's hangup on the past)

The one thing deterring me most from imagining Shinwoo as the Noblesse is that he doesn't have Rai's style, and I'd hate to see his personality or tastes change with any transference of power. With great power comes great elegance?

strixflash
December 18, 2012, 04:19 AM
Rai have his own soul weapon, though without any physical form, hinting us to the fact that Noblesse have their own pure bloodline just like Lord. Soul Weapons can only be used by the one from the same bloodline. No one can be the successor except Rai's own son/daughter. (No noble->Regis/ Seira OR No Human--> Shinwoo/Frankenstein).

The most we can expect for Shinwoo is either modification or a contract. Nothing more.... Also, Doesnt it feels good for a story to have a normal human character who will play significant role without any power?

Also, knowing Rai's personality, he wouldnt allow anyone else to carry the huge burden of being the Noblesse.
He would be the last Noblesse!

Life47
December 18, 2012, 12:23 PM
I don't think Raizel ever allow anyone to be The Noblesse (he never want to other suffer the bad effects of the power)

In my opinion,Raizel would reincarnate himself(Phoenix Theory).

Charlie
December 24, 2012, 10:41 AM
Nice ideas guys -
I think that Ragnoarok will play a key role in preventing Rai's death and become his soul weapon.
Since Rai already took Ragnarok into his body once - I'm sure the old Lord planned something along those lines.
At least thats a whacky idea I thought up.

So maybe there won't be another Noblesse / Successor and Raizel will be the only one.

0Xellos
December 26, 2012, 05:24 PM
Seira's taking care of Rai now... maybe that's where the successor will come from :D

Charlie
December 28, 2012, 10:35 AM
Seira's taking care of Rai now... maybe that's where the successor will come from :D

:lmao

Thats just brilliant. So not only will the there be a new noblesse, the clan of serias (cant think of the name atm) will be revived as well.

TheBoss
December 28, 2012, 11:53 AM
:lmao

Thats just brilliant. So not only will the there be a new noblesse, the clan of serias (cant think of the name atm) will be revived as well.
Nah she is in pair with regis xD They will revive her clan :teehee
I still believe that Shinwoo was something yet to do and it will ofc be something related to Rai-nim.
I wonder why Franky doesnt seem more apprehensive because there is three elders coming to get them... Maybe he knows something?

Charlie
December 29, 2012, 12:15 AM
Nah she is in pair with regis xD They will revive her clan :teehee
I still believe that Shinwoo was something yet to do and it will ofc be something related to Rai-nim.
I wonder why Franky doesnt seem more apprehensive because there is three elders coming to get them... Maybe he knows something?

Raizel x Seira
Seria x Regis
Seria x Shinwoo

In terms of succession - you're right... lol
I think the only way to have Raizles heir is to have the young lord and Rai to be married. He did offer her a pre wedding ring of sorts with that Ramen he left for her?

As of yet Franky doesnt know that three are on their way but he suspects something big to happen thus requesting assistance from Lukedonia.