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May 11, 2012, 02:33 AM
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Iti
May 17, 2012, 11:32 PM
72 http://cartoon.media.daum.net/webtoon/viewer/16518

NAM61
May 17, 2012, 11:39 PM
looks like sera is giving the doctor trying to revive shiho with something to get info on where shwoon is maybe.

fistsofrage
May 17, 2012, 11:48 PM
The raw is out on Daum http://cartoon.media.daum.net/webtoon/viewer/16518

kidopitz27
May 18, 2012, 12:51 AM
looks like everyone is looking for Shioon and it looks like Sera already solved the puzzle about SUC (he asked his clan members to follow the doctor) and it looks like my hunch is right that the doc is using one moon school to create Spirit medicine for SUC and i think that in one swoop Mil-Yang Clan, One moon School, Sunwoo Clan will arrive before Shioon is dissected :)

i think doc already know that Shioon eat illwansidan and maybe he thinks that because the ingredients are worth a billion? and the process is even more pricey why not just get the essence of the DAN in shioon's blood :P

nanoclarkology
May 18, 2012, 12:52 AM
Hmm, Smug face talks with cool guy I imagine it is about Shioon. Jinie talks with Fox Man. Chapter looks interesting but what are they saying.?????

4ghost
May 18, 2012, 04:31 AM
I'm anxiously awaiting the translations for this chapter. I hope by the end of this arc people will be able to appreciate Sera's character more. I suspect that Sera is basically blackmailing the One Moon guy to divulge what he knows about Shioon's where abouts.

Giving it some thought I also believe that Sera intentionally waited for just this type of situation to occur in order for her to be able to gain leverage over the One Moon School Leader. She may have suspected the famous doctor of not being so benevolent all along and that his pill was actually a Mahwan. The best she could do for Shioon was to analyze the pills and provide him duplicates that lacked the ill effects of the doctors pill.

By her own actions the One Moon School leader will have no choice but to develop the type of pill Shioon really needs, lest he wants to bring his school to ruin and lose any hope of reviving Shiho.

blennz
May 18, 2012, 04:47 AM
well here is a a3s version of the chapter http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/85948_

tiranor
May 18, 2012, 04:47 AM
Chapter in available on mangainn.

Interesting discussions, the game is on.

Edit :
too late :)

blennz
May 18, 2012, 04:55 AM
wow the doctor is a moron he is making him stronger with a better more purified ki. Shioon is going to be ridiculous strong once he gets out of this. He's also going to be really pissed at the doc and S.U.C

LoS
May 18, 2012, 05:06 AM
It's only poetic justice but it looks bleak for that bone and blood clan doctor. Soon to be he will have the Mil yang clan, the one moon, and sunwoo clans all after him. And in turn those same people will be even closer to the SUC and the crooked members of the heavenly way school.

Only fitting for a massive convergence of the clans to happen before the second part ends. Just where does the alliance fit in all of this though, since Kwon is already too smart to be tricked into fighting them.

DarkLordOfKichiku
May 18, 2012, 05:07 AM
So, rescue next week at earliest then?

4ghost
May 18, 2012, 05:19 AM
Hey this chapter almost confirmed my theory that I had before New Waves even started as to why/how Shiho could still be alive. If you remember back to the end of The Breaker you will notice that a large amount of the Ki that Shioon gathered with the Black Heaven and Earth technique that Shiho absorbed for Chunwoo was still in her own body when she got shot. She had wanted to give more of it to Chunwoo, but he felt he had more than enough with the portion he had gotten from her. With Shioon being able to regenerate at the rate he does because of that Ki it should hold true for anyone else that gains it.

So Shioon has to get out while his allies have to get in. Since his Ki is at the highest level of Murin and he might be able to use it there is a possibility that a technique like focus stomp could come in handy here. That seemed like a technique that relies on a minimal amount of movement utilizing Ki to exert the maximum amount of force. All Shioon would have to do is show what a genius he is and apply that theory to his own predicament. So rather than just focus stomp he would focus on his restraints.

Ninja_Pirate
May 18, 2012, 05:40 AM
Now the chapter seems pretty much back on track,,, and didn't doctor just say that the key "circulating" in the body is the highest in Murim... The Ki circulation cannot happen in the body without a key centre and if I understand that the pills was only activating the ki in different part of body giving him opprotunity to apply ki in his attacks.. but no circulation was there... Is there a possibility that whatever doc has done to shwoon... his ki center is healed now??

blennz
May 18, 2012, 05:45 AM
@Ninja_Pirate hmm if it was shioon would of broke out when the doc come back in the room he was struggling to get free so i don't really think so

Ninja_Pirate
May 18, 2012, 06:09 AM
@Ninja_Pirate hmm if it was shioon would of broke out when the doc come back in the room he was struggling to get free so i don't really think so

He did try to.. and doc did tell that they are special set of chains for this purpose.. so I am sure that the force Shioon has shown there, it would have broke any normal chains or anything restraining him in normal conditions...

Murim
May 18, 2012, 06:19 AM
It would be great if 4ghost prediction how Shiwoon free himself come true. The chances for that are not so bad since "focus stamp" doesn't need room to move. 9Arts was just in a standing position using this technique.
This would be a great way to bring Shiwoon back in game.

After this chapter I think that Cool-Guy gonna switch sides (*hust* joining Shiwoon's harem) and even help him out of this situation. The way he speaks about him reminds me of yaoi boy.


@Ninja_Pirate hmm if it was shioon would of broke out when the doc come back in the room he was struggling to get free so i don't really think so

It was said that this is a special chair, not for normal people but for murim. To shred the bonds u need a technique but this requieres room to move. Thats why focus stamp would be the perfect solution right now.

blennz
May 18, 2012, 06:31 AM
It was said that this is a special chair, not for normal people but for murim. To shred the bonds u need a technique but this requieres room to move. Thats why focus stamp would be the perfect solution right now. haha i find this funny how in the world is it a special chair? aren't murim supposed to be really strong the chair shouldn't have enough strength to hold him he broke a reinforced glass door this chair should be no problem with his strength even if he cant move he should be able to just bust out of it

Murim
May 18, 2012, 06:46 AM
@blennz
right now shiwoon doesn't know any bust attacks like Full Body Barrier. He is in panic, just struggling and not using any techniques like Soul-Crushing Strike again the reinforced glass door.

blennz
May 18, 2012, 07:14 AM
@blennz
right now shiwoon doesn't know any bust attacks like Full Body Barrier. He is in panic, just struggling and not using any techniques like Soul-Crushing Strike again the reinforced glass door. yes i know what i mean is that the chair doesn't make sense it should be no problem to any true murim master they train there body to the ultimate limit with that endless regime thing or w/e its called shioon has done some of this it shouldn't really matter if he is bind or not the chair shouldn't really be any problem to break out if you have ki all you have to do is muscle your way out with brute strength i know shioon isn't capable of breaking out because his ki center is broken want im trying to say is the notion of the chair holding a real murim person is funny

kidopitz27
May 18, 2012, 07:27 AM
i think Shioon's Ki center will be fix because of what the doctor is doing he said that Shioon's KI is circulating and he is the most powerful murim now hahahahaha Shioon is gonna get fixed :O

but he can't do anything right now because his blood is being drained even a most powerful murim can't make any super moves when he is low on blood i think the next chapter Shioon's vision is gonna get blurry or if Shioon get some sudden burst of power he will be like a drunk dude and can't balance himself

no1Knowme
May 18, 2012, 07:31 AM
omg that was really painful to watch shiwoon like this I feel really bad for him the chapter felt like it's punishing him for his stupidity the way that sera and Smug face talk about him that was harsh =(

blennz
May 18, 2012, 07:34 AM
i think Shioon's Ki center will be fix because of what the doctor is doing he said that Shioon's KI is circulating and he is the most powerful murim now hahahahaha Shioon is gonna get fixed :O his ki is at the strongest but his skill is not up to par with his power and your right the doc is really dumb i wouldn't be surprised if he just hulked his way out of that chair

The_kid
May 18, 2012, 07:48 AM
Cool-guy is only interested why he was able to improve that quick also, he is fascinated by his growth just like Chundomoon So-Chun Hyuk (assistent leader)
I doubt he would quickly betray the S.U.C. Leader and Elder. I think the new Mil-Yang head Sera will talk with the One Moon School, Illwallmoon Won-Jae Hyun (leader) The one who made the ''one dan moon'' drugs which contain a ki-worth of many elite martial artists.

Then he might cooperate with Sera, to find Shion. (After hearing S.U.C. is working with Bae Seung-Jae [mad doctor] Gol Hyeol Moon (Bone and Blood clan) 30 years ago being wiped away) Meanwhile Shion regaining some of his former ki-state, getting more powerfuller, causing his arms and legs a forcefull way out (instead his arms under his blood) but fails.

Meanwhile Sun-woo clan is on the move... thats all?

kidopitz27
May 18, 2012, 07:51 AM
his ki is at the strongest but his skill is not up to par with his power and your right the doc is really dumb i wouldn't be surprised if he just hulked his way out of that chair

i hope on the last page Shioon is not getting nervous getting his blood but i hope something is happening like

before Shioon's vision gets blurry i think he will feel some KI on his body flowing and starts to meditate hehehehe and maybe the doc will say oh now you accept to die and then bam Shioon already meditated on what the scenario is and gets out and can't balance himself and Cool guy will see him and Shioon will insert some pressure on him (Luffy on ID wolves)and cool guy will be stuned

NAM61
May 18, 2012, 07:57 AM
idiot doctor doesnt he remember what happen when 9ad dragon got angry and now he made shwoons ki the biggest in the murin world and and purifying it i think this will heal his ki. and with his anger he will go in the the black threshold technique and go crazy.

scav
May 18, 2012, 08:14 AM
lol he's going to be helped by the girls again.

bamf
May 18, 2012, 08:26 AM
Like pretty much everyone else, my hope is that he goes Black Heaven and Earth.

An irony here is that Shioon would be more than willing to give a humongous amount of his blood to what's-her-name. Once this is all over, I expect Shi-oon will find out about her (great theory, 4ghost), and he'll save her with his new super body. She, being GMR's love, will probably pacify GMR into never associating with the SUC and will convince him to take it down instead. GMR will owe everything to Shioon, too, since it was him that saved her.

No one has paid too much attention to it, but Jinee unabashedly called Saehee Shioon's girlfriend. I guess she is out of the picture, now? I'm certain she will be once Shioon regains his powers, since he is going to want to protect everyone and do everything himself. Moreover, she has no "in" with the GMR-Shioon-GMR's lover dynamic, and I don't think it will be good for narrative flow to manufacture such a relationship. Sera is great because she will be the one to guide the process of restoring GMR's love, and she's a clan head. And she's way hotter :)

4ghost
May 18, 2012, 08:43 AM
yes i know what i mean is that the chair doesn't make sense it should be no problem to any true murim master they train there body to the ultimate limit with that endless regime thing or w/e its called shioon has done some of this it shouldn't really matter if he is bind or not the chair shouldn't really be any problem to break out if you have ki all you have to do is muscle your way out with brute strength i know shioon isn't capable of breaking out because his ki center is broken want im trying to say is the notion of the chair holding a real murim person is funny

I think I understand what Murim is getting at. Those from Murim are still human, no one is a Superman, they can still be fell by bullets and are bound by a few other human limitations. If you recall what Gyu Bum said immediately after the reinforced glass was broken, it would be apparent that that was not something just anybody from the Murim could duplicate.

Also judging from what we know based off of the only techniques we learned about, along with Shioon, in how Ki is used, it may be impossible for a normal Murim In to escape the restraints. Back in chapter 29 the importance of synchronizing one's Simgechehon (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36491_/page_15), mind breath soul body, is particularly important (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36493_/page_7) to use a technique properly (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36493_/page_12). The restraints are probably strong enough to secure someone of great strength, but not enough to hold down a true master or those in Murim that are juggernauts. It shouldn't be too much of a surprise that the opponent once again looked down on Shioon.

@kidopitz27 it could very well be that whatever the doctor did to Shioon has already either fixed the Ki center or resolved Shioon's issue of not being able to use Ki.

kidopitz27
May 18, 2012, 08:47 AM
idiot doctor doesnt he remember what happen when 9ad dragon got angry and now he made shwoons ki the biggest in the murin world and and purifying it i think this will heal his ki. and with his anger he will go in the the black threshold technique and go crazy.

i like your idea purifying Shioon's blood can result to a massive power boost on his KI or maybe the Dan Shioon ate is full of impurities that's why Shioon's Ki circulation is really a mess like what GMR said i think after purifying the blood Shioon will be 100% healed

or what GMR did when destroying his KI center is to halt the effect of the DAN and not to kill (maybe because of the impurities on the DAN it is becoming a poison to Shioon )Shioon just like the SUC members

my prediction is like NAM61:

after the doc purified his KI Shioon will feel his KI flowing (just like the doctor said his ki is flowing) he will remember his training using GMR's phone and uses BHT and the "special Chair" can't hold too much ki and breaks freeing Shioon
killing/half dead the doctor and when Cool guy returned he will see Shioon and Shioon on BHT mode puts too much presure on cool guy and he passed out

on the mean time Sera and the others traced the location of Shioon and see Shioon full of blood in his body and passed out

and on the Smug face side he will learn that Shioon escaped and killing/half dead and Cool guy hostage and announce that SUC the one destroying the balance of murim is Sunwoo Clan's head Shioon on MMA

DarkLordOfKichiku
May 18, 2012, 08:51 AM
No one has paid too much attention to it, but Jinee unabashedly called Saehee Shioon's girlfriend. I guess she is out of the picture, now?

Huh? Jinie has been calling Sehee "Shioon's girlfriend" since way back (well, her and everyone else), don't see why this'd be such a big thing now...

kidopitz27
May 18, 2012, 09:02 AM
Huh? Jinie has been calling Sehee "Shioon's girlfriend" since way back (well, her and everyone else), don't see why this'd be such a big thing now...

the big thing now is Sera using a pen as a spoon on her coffee hahahahahahah " TOO MUCH CUTENESS!"

Jammin
May 18, 2012, 09:35 AM
Let this be a lessen to us all. Don't trust a doctor that works out of a cardboard box in the hall of a subway station.

.......Wait, how did Shioon not know that?!http://www.laymark.com/l/o/15.gif


And as for Sera.....


http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2539/0905182012111821.jpg

I think she has proven that she needs to be in every chapter from now on; if only to prevent Shioon from getting fitted with a ball gag ever EVER again. Let the first piece of the "Shioon harem plan" fall into place!

The_kid
May 18, 2012, 10:01 AM
my main guess is Shion breaks out with some help, he hasn't gotten much of practice at black heaven and earth technique.
considering his amount of training, but accidently triggering it (the technique) whats the possibility?

hmmm Sera expression and words are priceless, it was sooo funny hahahaha

ps: i could already tell that the main character never dies, so he will make it out

nanoclarkology
May 18, 2012, 10:21 AM
Good chapter Sera must have an eyes and ears network like no other. I am glad that she was able to contact him. But I don't think anyone rescues Shioon from this. Reasoning is NO ONE knows where he is at but Hobo Doc and Coo Guy. Unless Cool Guy becomes one of the Shioon converted.

This is all on Shioon to get himself out.

The_kid
May 18, 2012, 10:26 AM
Well Sera already had someone tailing the Bae Seung-Jae [mad doctor] Gol Hyeol Moon (Bone and Blood clan)
So already figured out his relationship with One Moon School, Illwallmoon Won-Jae Hyun (leader) The one who made the ''one dan moon'' drugs which contain a ki-worth of many elite martial artists.

So the good question remains how will he do it? How will Shion escape!?

S-H-I-G-U-R-E
May 18, 2012, 10:38 AM
You know what would be funny? It would be funny if 9AD himself somehow came to save Shioon. I know this will NEVER happen... but it would be damn cool! XD
Maybe both Master and Disciple can punch some common sense into each other again!

GOOMOONRYONG
May 18, 2012, 10:49 AM
Couldn't agree with you more Jammin, Sera has turned out to be one of my top characters for her sharp intellect. Anyone else think Cool Guy could help Shioon at some point? The fact that he is curious about him and even told douchebag about how special he is rings some bells to me. Maybe down the road he will help Shioon out or give him some information.

I wonder if this purifying of the blood will actually heal Shioon's ki center by accident. Then once he has his ki he will be able to bust out of that harness. Must be some reason why the doc said it was special and that Shioon had the highest ki level in all of Murim.

matzik1212
May 18, 2012, 10:50 AM
Wow and here goes the blood . *shiver* :iik

I really can't stand seeing Shioon in that state but hmm i'm starting to think as well that maybe 'cause of this stupid doc's doings Shioon's Ki center might be fixed :nod As for him using Focus stomp or Black Heaven & Earth technique i don't think it's gonna happen , at least not in his state . He's really freaked out right now and i don't blame him 'cause he's dealing with that psycho after all.

And i really can't believe.... what a complete :fail . What the hell Gyu Bum, Shioon is missing for 4 h already and you're starting to think something is strange only now -_-; That was really disappointing , at least for me .


Just as i thought Moon Ju really didn't know who the "ingredient" was . I liked his expression when he heard the truth. It resembles with "i'm in deep shit " kind of expression :hee

Overall the chapter was ok . Things are going in an interesting direction

Jirachier
May 18, 2012, 11:21 AM
great so after destroying his ki center and rendering him absolutely useless for almost the entire Breaker:The new waves now it's time to steal his blood and give it to someone else ? This is turning out exactly like Bleach -_-

halfcrzy
May 18, 2012, 05:00 PM
haha i see some people have already come out with the idea themselves. my first thought was that, to make high purity ki he would maybe need to fix his ki center first to produce the max amount. so maybe doc man actually fixed his ki center before cutting him up. ohh man i cant wait to see soul crushing fists flying around the streets from a kid in his boxers. Let the pain commence!

kidopitz27
May 18, 2012, 06:28 PM
it will be funny if the doctor is a good guy and giving Shioon a dialysis (removing waste and excess water from the blood, and is used primarily to provide an artificial replacement for lost kidney function in people) but this time he is removing the impurities of Shioon's blood to make a purified Blood giving Shioon a fix on his KI center and giving him a big boost

i don't really know if the Dialysis machine and the one doctor is using are the same :P

nanoclarkology
May 18, 2012, 07:55 PM
I am excited about the possibilities. The ones I see are.

1) This blood thing will heal Shioon's ki center and then he will spam GMR's moves.
2) This will not heal his ki center but the ki circulation going through his body will be enough to escape.
3) He will pass out and wake up with everyone around him worrying.
4) An unlikely follower in Mamungi will rescue him because he calls him cutie
5) The One Moon School guy will call in a favor and track the cell phone of Hobo Doc and Shioon will be rescued.
6) Cool Guy will get a guilty conscious and save Shioon

The One Moon School guy didn't even know who they were cutting up as 'ingredients'. His face is priceless when he found out who the 'ingredient' was. I think Sera is the only person who understands how many latches Shioon has on the Murim world. She understands that in order to preserve Murim in any way clans and MAA will have to unite. When Kang Sung, Hyuk So Chun, Elder Kwon, Mamnugi, Gym Bum, and Old Lady Yoda are all on Shioons side he is going to be a beast. Plus now he has ties to One Moon School. If they were to all unite under one person Shioon then that would be a just organization.

svyatoslav
May 19, 2012, 02:41 AM
This is becoming painful to read, my favorite manhwa/ga just went to complete and utter garbage :( I can't even force myself to this anymore, ugh...


Btw, rather than dismantling Shioon, why not just make another Il-Wol-Shin-Dan pill? Isn't that what purified and compressed blood of Shioon is? Is the author out of ideas? Was he rushed? :facepalm

Murim
May 19, 2012, 03:39 AM
@svyatoslav

in this chapter it was said that bones and organs also contains ki and he wants to harvest every last bit of it. Besides that he also has to give the other doc who wants to revive Shiho the half of the blood.

Also the doc never stated that he wants to create a Il-Wol-Shin-Dan pill. Right now he wants to create a powerful medicine for the S.U.C. With one Il-Wol-Shin-Dan pill you only make one of the S.U.C strong.
Probably the doc improves the pill he is already giving the S.U.C but without eliminate the sideeffects. That also means that if he refuses to make new pills, all the S.U.C fodder just gonna die. Maybe even the captians if they also use the pills. The doc could just wipe out the whole S.U.C.
After all his negotiating position isn't so bad besides Shiwoon kills him next chapter.

svyatoslav
May 19, 2012, 04:15 AM
Yes, all of Shioon's body contains Ki, including blood, organs, etc., but that Ki came originally from the Il-Wol-Shin-Dan pill and anything the Doc makes wouldn't be able to surpass it. Sure, while the doc doesn't have the means to make another Il-Wol-Shin-Dan pill, the guy trying to resurrect Shiho is the head of the school that makes the said pill....

Anyway, the author is starting to make stuff up about Ki, spirit medicine, etc and it no longer makes any sense whatsoever, even in the Breaker universe. Too many plot holes, logical fallacies and the general dumbing down and destruction of interesting main characters and all in just 2 or 3 chapters.

shaheer
May 19, 2012, 04:21 AM
lol he's going to be helped by the girls again.

no matter how much i hate this to happen (ie shiwoon getting saved as a damsel again)
i really dont see anything else happening

braveheart655
May 19, 2012, 09:00 AM
I don't think there is a way that the Doc turns out to be a good guy.

IMO it's clear what will happen from now on. Sera will make the Ilwulmoon master squeal to locate and save Shiwoon. After that, Ilwulmoon guy will fix Shiwoon's Ki center and use his blood to revive Shiho. And I expect the NW to end with Shiho's revival and SUC's downfall. I think the author can wrap up everything in 10 chapters. We might also expect a timeskip after the end of NW. Going a step further, we might see Shiwoon&GMR to take down Black Forest Defence guys.

Btw, here is the -plotwise- proof that the Ilwulmoon guy is the one to fix Shiwoon's Ki center.
http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36653_/page_10

4ghost
May 19, 2012, 09:32 AM
Yes, all of Shioon's body contains Ki, including blood, organs, etc., but that Ki came originally from the Il-Wol-Shin-Dan pill and anything the Doc makes wouldn't be able to surpass it. Sure, while the doc doesn't have the means to make another Il-Wol-Shin-Dan pill, the guy trying to resurrect Shiho is the head of the school that makes the said pill....

Anyway, the author is starting to make stuff up about Ki, spirit medicine, etc and it no longer makes any sense whatsoever, even in the Breaker universe. Too many plot holes, logical fallacies and the general dumbing down and destruction of interesting main characters and all in just 2 or 3 chapters.

It actually already has been illustrated that the Il-Wol-Shin-Dan (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36490_/page_11) can be surpassed (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36523_/page_9). As incredible as the Dan is there is practically no one that can take (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36476_/page_6) it in it's purest form (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36500_/page_14).

Also the ingredients for the Il-Wol-Shin-Dan were so rare that it was not something that the One Moon school could so easily make.

The_kid
May 19, 2012, 09:42 AM
I don't think there is a way that the Doc turns out to be a good guy.

IMO it's clear what will happen from now on. Sera will make the Ilwulmoon master squeal to locate and save Shiwoon. After that, Ilwulmoon guy will fix Shiwoon's Ki center and use his blood to revive Shiho. And I expect the NW to end with Shiho's revival and SUC's downfall. I think the author can wrap up everything in 10 chapters. We might also expect a timeskip after the end of NW. Going a step further, we might see Shiwoon&GMR to take down Black Forest Defence guys.

Btw, here is the -plotwise- proof that the Ilwulmoon guy is the one to fix Shiwoon's Ki center.
http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36653_/page_10

I doubt it, he wouldn't go through the trouble to introduce us the 5 S.U.C. leaders, my main guess is Shion gets revived then train.
Then seek and kill hunt at S.U.C. members.

shaheer
May 19, 2012, 10:19 AM
I doubt it, he wouldn't go through the trouble to introduce us the 5 S.U.C. leaders, my main guess is Shion gets revived then train.
Then seek and kill hunt at S.U.C. members.

i would like to see that part
the question is however how will he get out of this precarious situation that he is in
i hope that he fights out himself, but given the past experience i doubt that he ll do it on his own. Some one always finishes his fight or he looses by breaking his limit and swooning down to a pass out

braveheart655
May 19, 2012, 10:22 AM
I don't think we'll see much of Shiwoon's training. Up until now he's polished his skills by practicing them in real fights. So, after his Ki center recovery, he could immediately go against the remaining three captains.

blaise
May 19, 2012, 10:28 AM
We really cannot say whether or not the author is pulling our legs until we can say for sure that we have complete information about Ki energy; What it is, how it behaves in bodies, the relationship between mind body and breath and so on. It is certain that there is still new knowledge to be revealed regarding all these things and even more.

That said, even if we had all that information, shioon is still a special case. He is the only individual to have successfully consumed the divine dan and integrated into his system. We were told that everyone else who attempted this before died. So shioon's condition is absolutely new territory. Anything the author does or says regarding shioon therefore, short of mincing words and ideas shouldn't really be considered a plot hole.

However, one thing I can comfortably call a plot hole is plot induced stupidity that many authors seem to think is integral to their main characters. There was just no believable reason (for me) why shioon would, while in his capacity as a clan head, be as irresponsible (and spectacularly stupid) as to separate himself from his bodyguards at the request of someone he barely knows, then hop into a vehicle prepared by this semi-stranger, accept any beverages offered by this semi-stranger without instructions to people he could actually trust to at least secretly keep track of him:no.

The author has almost always portrayed shioon as someone with the ability to maintain dignity in the face of any situation, but with the smarts to keep out of sticky situations.
With this latest chapters the author has undermined shioon's character made it clear that he is prone to idiotic decision making and there is no reason not to believe that shioon won't dig himself into a nice big hole again in future. I think the author needs to address that issue.

On a lighter note though, I appreciate that shioon does what he does because he is obeying GMR's last words; to keep his techniques secret. Thats why shioon isolated himself from Kwon. So in the end, he was isolated from his two most capable allies (IMO kwon and sera).

The_kid
May 19, 2012, 11:07 AM
I think Cool Guy might not side with Shion if he does, the entire S.U.C. becomes sitting duck, because he is the IT uberlord (in other words)
he manages the entire network enlisted to any and every S.U.C. member.
If Cool Guy does sides with Shion then kicks the Doc's butt, his ki-centre will remain a mess.
Also the possibility might be that another S.U.C. leader tailed him..? just in case.

If the possibility might exist that Bae Seung-Jae (http://thebreaker.wikia.com/wiki/Bae_Seung-Jae) might side with Shion, he becomes sitting duck instead.

(Why call the enemy over, while doing good for his enemy)?... doesn't makes some sense.
Shion is a type of guy that trusts people too easily, he doesnt doubt people.
If the person does good for him, he automatically trusts him, so no plothole to me

nanoclarkology
May 19, 2012, 11:50 AM
@The_kid. I agree no plot hole in Shioon going to the doc. Stupid yes plot hole not IMO.

Now then Shioon is about to become bad to the bone. Remember all those days of patheticness forget aboutttt it. He is going to go on a rampage and as we have seen he still has yet to master all of GMRs techniques and hit Hyuk. With that said Kwon could still give him he beat down. In order to beat the Smug Face SUC commander then he must get better. And pills were not doing it. This week is going to be a long one.

Charlie
May 19, 2012, 04:41 PM
I don't think we'll see much of Shiwoon's training. Up until now he's polished his skills by practicing them in real fights. So, after his Ki center recovery, he could immediately go against the remaining three captains.


He's always been a fast learner - picking up moves after seeing once I believe. Can't wait to see how this turns out next week. He could also do the meditating hes learned from Sera's clan granny (forgets name).

haegar
May 19, 2012, 04:50 PM
great manwha, marathoned through it from last afternoon to early morning today :D Guess I'll be joining the discussion here now and then.

On the matter of Shioon's "idiocy": So far he was told numerous times to be warry of any organisation wanting to help him as they might use him secretly for their own purposes - and he found that to be true more than once. On the other hand, almost every single time he befriendet an individual human being or refused to treat an individual by the codes of murin as others wanted him to, it payed of for him in getting along with that person well. Thus, it is not incoceivable that he is indeed far more "naive" towards individual strangers than organisations.
Doc looked a loot like his master at first, didn't he? An outsider within the world of murin, knowledgable of their ways and obviously known and respected for his skills by some of them but nonetheless nobody that officially follows their rules but rather negotiates his own rules every time he interacts with them... Such a style or behaviour should be somehting Shioon can relate to well, seing himself and his master as outsiders or underdogs on the border of that world, too. If you look at it like that it's not so hard to concieve.

I do find a slight "character" hole in the way he deals with his weakness of not being able to use Ki though. Some people he told about doc's pill, others he did not - and that I find hard to relate to and I think there his attitude of debasing himself for his physical lack and keeping precisley that side of him from the poeple he already found out to be trustworthy is mostly overdone and somewhat bluntly used to forward the plot development aka get him into binds like this.

For me the issue is not that he would trust a shady guy like doc, master was shady in the same way. For me the issue is how the author did not take enough care to how he should by now trust those that have become very close to him. That also clashes a lot with his unlimited will to save them every time he puts his life on the line for them...

svyatoslav
May 19, 2012, 08:29 PM
It actually already has been illustrated that the Il-Wol-Shin-Dan (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36490_/page_11) can be surpassed (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36523_/page_9). As incredible as the Dan is there is practically no one that can take (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36476_/page_6) it in it's purest form (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36500_/page_14).

Also the ingredients for the Il-Wol-Shin-Dan were so rare that it was not something that the One Moon school could so easily make.

What does the Black Heaven distribution technique have to do with the Il-Wol-Shin-Dan, which is a Ki medicine? The Ki medicine is dissolved in his blood and organs and provides him with a pool of Ki which then the Ki center takes and distributes through the Ki channels with the distribution technique. Without the Black Heaven distribution technique Shioon wouldn't be able to handle all that pure and powerful Ki from the Dan but that does not make the Dan or the Ki in his blood better somehow.

As for the rare ingredients, remember when the Doc went into the One Moon's lab, he noted that there was some special rare stuff there, almost like he was trying to resurrect somebody. So, if he could do that, then he should be able to get the ingredients for another Dan. Again, a plot hole.

blennz
May 19, 2012, 09:31 PM
As for the rare ingredients, remember when the Doc went into the One Moon's lab, he noted that there was some special rare stuff there, almost like he was trying to resurrect somebody. So, if he could do that, then he should be able to get the ingredients for another Dan. Again, a plot hole. how is that a plot hole shioon is the first person to ever take the dan and live. His blood is special sure he can make another one but shioon blood is even more special because the dan has been inside his body fusing with his blood and organs for a while. They can analyze and make a better dan since everyone else who took it died the old one was to dangerous they can create a new one with shioon's blood to make a better version.The doc doesn't really know what he took he just know it's a really power spirit medicine.

svyatoslav
May 19, 2012, 11:15 PM
how is that a plot hole shioon is the first person to ever take the dan and live. His blood is special sure he can make another one but shioon blood is even more special because the dan has been inside his body fusing with his blood and organs for a while. They can analyze and make a better dan since everyone else who took it died the old one was to dangerous they can create a new one with shioon's blood to make a better version.The doc doesn't really know what he took he just know it's a really power spirit medicine.
Umm, sorry but no, Shioon was able to live because of 9AD, the Black Heaven Ki Distribution technique and the fact that he has amazing martial arts talent. It has nothing to do with his actual blood. His blood had no special properties before he took the dan and the only reason it is special now is because the Dan is dissolved in it.

NAM61
May 19, 2012, 11:31 PM
did shwoon save the doctors that is trying to revive shiho from 9ad trying to kill him. 9ad was chasing him in chapter 38 or was it some other guy that looked like the doc?. if so the doc will remember this and try and pay swoon back. by telling sera where the looney doctor is. and he may even work on shwoon ki center if purifying his blood does not work. also shwoon would gladly give him blood to save shiho ad the doc will help in good faith.

haegar
May 20, 2012, 12:38 AM
Umm, sorry but no, Shioon was able to live because of 9AD, the Black Heaven Ki Distribution technique and the fact that he has amazing martial arts talent. It has nothing to do with his actual blood. His blood had no special properties before he took the dan and the only reason it is special now is because the Dan is dissolved in it.

9AD specifically stated the Black Heaven distribution was the only thing that could keep him from dying after taking the pill, true. However, 9AD is not omniscient. Even though it is unlikely, as long as we do not fully know Shioon's lineage we cannot 100% rule out that his dad was Murinin after all. Even if he wasn't, there might still be something special about him unrelated to both the pill and the distribution technique. There must be something to the fact that he can pick up techniques so quickly - unless of course the pill worked him over so much it not only improved his body/Ki but also his ability to grasp martial arts :confused

blennz
May 20, 2012, 01:08 AM
Umm, sorry but no, Shioon was able to live because of 9AD, the Black Heaven Ki Distribution technique and the fact that he has amazing martial arts talent. It has nothing to do with his actual blood. His blood had no special properties before he took the dan and the only reason it is special now is because the Dan is dissolved in it.what the dan melted away inside his body aka his blood and organs and his whole body all is a like a dan pill all 9ad did was teach him a technique to contain that ridiculous amout of ki so he can use it and so he wouldn't bust like a ballon

svyatoslav
May 20, 2012, 01:09 AM
@haegar: That's just his natural talent in martial arts. Could be he is the unknown son of some big shot, then again he doesn't have to be.

nanoclarkology
May 20, 2012, 02:03 AM
The function of the Dan is still not completely known. I find it interesting that Shiho thought Shioon had severe internal injuries from taking the pill/egg. However GMR confirmed that he did not. Also the technique he was using was an internal energy transfer.

Found here (http://www.mangareader.net/530-30466-6/the-breaker/chapter-12.html)

Because we have a lack of facts I hypothesize GMR filtered off ki from Shioon so he didn't pop like a balloon as said earlier. I believe that the Dan increased everything about Shioon. His five senses (seeing, hearing, feeling, tasting and smelling) but not only that. As some have said his blood was affected, I believe that his blood vessels (Old Lady Yoda) accused GMR of doing was really the Dan's doing. The reasoning is because why would Shiho say it. Would fix his issue of blood? Why would it unblock his three yin blockage? Because Shiho knew it would do something. And as have been stated no one has ever taken this Dan and survived.

In regards to this chapter. Obviously the blood in Shioon is impure. He has been doping everyday for awhile. Which is what put him in this predicament now. But all of those impurities are being filtered out.

Big questions will this fix his ki center? Will this affect his ki center for the other doc who wanted the ingredients to fix him. I think this Hobo Doc will die in 1-3 chapters and Shioon will make a new friend in Cool Guy. My predictions I guess we shall all see.

haegar
May 20, 2012, 02:47 AM
Maybe the Dan pill being responsible for all of it is the most likely explanation as you said. But in that page you linked 9AD said himself that he was baffled how come there was no damage, and he sounded as if he was assuming his transfer technique would only somewhat contain or minimalize the damage but that he was suprised there was no damage at all and he did not believe it was due to the transfer , he didn't know how it could be. Now, could have been due to the Dan having effects he had no clue of, or could be due to the fact he wrongly assumed Shioon was "just another human" ...
In any case I think the energy transfer technique was only ever a rushed first aid. The kid had but briefly ago taken the pill, it is reasonable to assume it was still working inside him, changeing him. 9AD basically siphoned off as much KI as he could during that initial phase of fusion or mutation or whatever you want to call it to prevent the immediate catastrophe. But even after that the amount of Ki Shioon now produced was too much, it would have accumulated over time till he exploded, is what 9AD said. Searching for the page right now, sry it is a scene after Shioon got his first lessons in distribution tech, and 9AD and Shiho are standing next to a car on the street in front of the appartment. She asks him about all that stuff somehow and then he replies that he had to teach him a decent distribution tech - she ponders that a moment and then looks suprised and scared askin "wait, you didn't teach him the black heaven distribution did you?" to which he replies that it was the only thing that could save him in the long run. So it was both actually that saved him, the energy transfer, and then later learning a hax level distribution right of the bat. As for Old lady Yoda, if memory serves right she remarked that not the blood vessels but rather the Ki channels were abnormally large - which would be a result of the black heaven's distribution technique which she couldn't know without knowing the technique's specifics....

come to think of it it is totally baffling how not a single one of the old geezers made the connection between Shioon's totally unnatural growth and the stolen Dan pill :facepalm

The_kid
May 20, 2012, 05:46 AM
great manwha, marathoned through it from last afternoon to early morning today :D Guess I'll be joining the discussion here now and then.

On the matter of Shioon's "idiocy": So far he was told numerous times to be warry of any organisation wanting to help him as they might use him secretly for their own purposes - and he found that to be true more than once. On the other hand, almost every single time he befriendet an individual human being or refused to treat an individual by the codes of murin as others wanted him to, it payed of for him in getting along with that person well. Thus, it is not incoceivable that he is indeed far more "naive" towards individual strangers than organisations.

@The_kid. I agree no plot hole in Shioon going to the doc. Stupid yes plot hole not IMO.

Now then Shioon is about to become bad to the bone. Remember all those days of patheticness forget aboutttt it. He is going to go on a rampage and as we have seen he still has yet to master all of GMRs techniques and hit Hyuk. With that said Kwon could still give him he beat down. In order to beat the Smug Face SUC commander then he must get better. And pills were not doing it. This week is going to be a long one.

thats not true, he's going to be worse then that lol.... like a new raging 9AD + sunwoo MA ! xD
Heaven-thunder scattering strike attack lol, i did wondered how is Shion going to obtain super-murim movement*
like elder Kwon...


He's always been a fast learner - picking up moves after seeing once I believe. Can't wait to see how this turns out next week. He could also do the meditating hes learned from Sera's clan granny (forgets name).

He has the instant memorization ability.
After seeing once he could revizualize it.
But he has some trouble with practice, it does takes some time (only less then normal people)
sufficient to call him a blessed person and a kind of genius



Doc looked a loot like his master at first, didn't he? An outsider within the world of murin, knowledgable of their ways and obviously known and respected for his skills by some of them but nonetheless nobody that officially follows their rules but rather negotiates his own rules every time he interacts with them... Such a style or behaviour should be somehting Shioon can relate to well, seing himself and his master as outsiders or underdogs on the border of that world, too. If you look at it like that it's not so hard to concieve.

I do find a slight "character" hole in the way he deals with his weakness of not being able to use Ki though. Some people he told about doc's pill, others he did not - and that I find hard to relate to and I think there his attitude of debasing himself for his physical lack and keeping precisley that side of him from the poeple he already found out to be trustworthy is mostly overdone and somewhat bluntly used to forward the plot development aka get him into binds like this.

For me the issue is not that he would trust a shady guy like doc, master was shady in the same way. For me the issue is how the author did not take enough care to how he should by now trust those that have become very close to him. That also clashes a lot with his unlimited will to save them every time he puts his life on the line for them...

Hard to tell, but either way i look forward to development, and looks like someone didn't paid attention in Sera murim classes lol



What does the Black Heaven distribution technique have to do with the Il-Wol-Shin-Dan, which is a Ki medicine? The Ki medicine is dissolved in his blood and organs and provides him with a pool of Ki which then the Ki center takes and distributes through the Ki channels with the distribution technique. Without the Black Heaven distribution technique Shioon wouldn't be able to handle all that pure and powerful Ki from the Dan but that does not make the Dan or the Ki in his blood better somehow.

As for the rare ingredients, remember when the Doc went into the One Moon's lab, he noted that there was some special rare stuff there, almost like he was trying to resurrect somebody. So, if he could do that, then he should be able to get the ingredients for another Dan. Again, a plot hole.

Better is not the right word, dissolve i would guess, Black Heaven and Earth technique uses a monsterous amount of ki, it burns every last of it away..
Making the user of the technique rampage until nothing is left. Unless the master of the technique is able to maintain its spirit.
There comes Shion character, unaffect and wrathless/grudge less, entering a new state of the technique.
Reaching the final level which his predecessors failed to do.

Shion would be in one word, a gaint container of a massive and ridiculous amount of ki.
If the ki is not properly spend it might go at the cost of his life.
So in order to maintain his life he has to burn it up, use it up.
(thats how he lasted long enough vs Hyuk of Chundomoon)
Using multiple Soul-Crushing-Strikes, even when his body broke down,
The ki- and spirit we're strong enough to back him up.

After all his body is a spirit medine,
he has Goomoonryong spirit.
and a the highest possible level of ki of the entire murim world (try imagine all murim 10 great masters ki amount but together and double or quadruple it)
I do remember that he had only spirit without the one moon dan drug.
And among those people, sometimes people appear with the ability to change the world.
(remember Hyuk Chundomoon flashback (http://www.mangareader.net/530-34429-14/the-breaker/chapter-33.html))
The last thing that Shion had but Hyuk didn't had was simply that he listened to his heart. (flashback (http://www.mangareader.net/530-34430-9/the-breaker/chapter-34.html))


My best guess is also that the breaker serie is currently at 50 or 75%
so makes least 10-25 chapter until this New Waves series end,
S.U.C. will disolve, also if Shi-Ho returns, then itll be hard to tell if itll become
Black Forest Defense vs Martial Arts Alliance and Sun-woo clan {the entire world} + Shion

braveheart655
May 20, 2012, 09:16 AM
I think there are lots of unanswered questions about the Dan itself.

1. Ilwulmoon guy clearly says that no human can survive the Dan. So, why produce even more than one (let alone 3!?). They could produce just one pill and prove the Murim that they are capable of producing something like this.
http://www.mangareader.net/530-30471-15/the-breaker/chapter-17.html

2. Shiho stated that the Dan (positively) affects only the 20% of the people. In order to have this statistics, more than 5 people should have taken the pill. Who are these people? How come they survived given no human can utilize it? Maybe Shioon's father took one and died...
http://www.mangareader.net/530-30465-17/the-breaker/chapter-11.html

3. The Dan extends the meridians so that the masters can produce and utilize more Ki. The way I see it, the pill just jump starts one's body and lets people use their Ki potential to the fullest. (So, the pill is not an infinite energy source.) But if someone uses more Ki -life force- in a shorter period of time, we should expect that person to have a shorter lifespan. So, I believe the pill is ultimately just a quicker way to after life.

4ghost
May 20, 2012, 01:19 PM
What does the Black Heaven distribution technique have to do with the Il-Wol-Shin-Dan, which is a Ki medicine? The Ki medicine is dissolved in his blood and organs and provides him with a pool of Ki which then the Ki center takes and distributes through the Ki channels with the distribution technique. Without the Black Heaven distribution technique Shioon wouldn't be able to handle all that pure and powerful Ki from the Dan but that does not make the Dan or the Ki in his blood better somehow.

As for the rare ingredients, remember when the Doc went into the One Moon's lab, he noted that there was some special rare stuff there, almost like he was trying to resurrect somebody. So, if he could do that, then he should be able to get the ingredients for another Dan. Again, a plot hole.

While it has definitely been identified as a power distribution techniue, I wouldn't call it a stretch to consider the Black Heaven and Earth Technique as a Air Herding (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36490_/page_6) technique as well. Looking back at the chapter that mentions Air Herding the pose looks very much like the BHET pose. Also Shiho had a different response to absorbing (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36481_/page_9) Shioon's Ki when he did not use the BHET (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36523_/page_9), I figure that should make it clear that there is a marked difference in the Ki Quality of the two alone and together. A little more evidence that the BHET may be more than just a simple distribution (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36658_/page_3) technique (http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/36658_/page_4).
As for the rare ingredients, consider for a moment that it takes special ingredients to make cheesecake and special ingredients to make brownies. While that famous doctor noted there were rare ingredients being collected, he speculated that they were for reviving the dead, not for creating another Il-Wol-Shin-Dan.

OneAndOnly
May 20, 2012, 06:48 PM
First of all, Hi guys, nice to have a talk with You after 40 chapters of only reading Your opinions.

Now I'm just curious if anyone of u guys remembers when 9AD obtained Black Origins Thresold from Unwol. Uwol told him that this tehnique ican be the greatest tehnique under the heavens, but he, and masters before him were swallowed by darkness of emotions so they become emotnionalless monsters. Now i think that our beloved Shioon will be such a monster when he uses it for the first time, but later ( ohh so many chapters later :C ) when he will fight 9AD he will discover the very core of this tehnique and will fight as a "good" vs "bad" ( 9AD ) face of Black Origins.

But now I suppose that Ji Shioon will "feel the kick of KI" and will somehow be free and in the burst of emotions he will use BH&ET, so i really cant wait for next chap.

(" Black Origins Thresold is the essence of the Black Heaven & Earth Tehnique..." )

nanoclarkology
May 20, 2012, 07:50 PM
:arro@OneAndOnly good first post and I agree.

:arro. Let's hope Shioon does a little of this.

braveheart655
May 21, 2012, 09:27 AM
I think I've found how Shioon is gonna get back his Ki. It was mentioned couple of times that a broken Ki center can not be fixed. But using the Doc's evil medicine Shioon can temporarily get back his Ki. On the evil medicine, the Ilwulmoon master was saying that the effects can be maintained.

http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/85319_/page_15

I can see that A-Team's translation is a bit different. But I believe after Shioon is rescued, they could create a pill (based on the sample evil medicine we saw in the last chapter) to get back his Ki. Shioon wouldn't get back his Ki center per se but it'd do the job.

The_kid
May 21, 2012, 01:56 PM
I think I've found how Shioon is gonna get back his Ki. It was mentioned couple of times that a broken Ki center can not be fixed. But using the Doc's evil medicine Shioon can temporarily get back his Ki. On the evil medicine, the Ilwulmoon master was saying that the effects can be maintained.

http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/85319_/page_15

I can see that A-Team's translation is a bit different. But I believe after Shioon is rescued, they could create a pill (based on the sample evil medicine we saw in the last chapter) to get back his Ki. Shioon wouldn't get back his Ki center per se but it'd do the job.

However this is only a part of the tale, if he we're to extent the medine effect, its just a prolonged amount of time with more ki and limit.
When it get used up, it'll end at the same way like before (limited usage)
if it gets restored, refilled... it still has limited usage. imo (in my opinion)

vonviking
May 22, 2012, 02:57 AM
Please someone correct me if I am wrong but isn't the Black Heaven and Earth Technique a Ki Distribution Technique? If that is the case how would it "activate" as some people have mentioned? And I have read thru both The Breaker and New Waves but I am drawing a blank at what Black Origins Threshold is, I am pretty sure I remember it mentioned but I just can not for the life of me remember what it is. Reminders would be appreciated.

The_kid
May 22, 2012, 04:59 AM
*mental state*, *preformence in ki-movement within the body*
*some secret technique only known to the 9 arts dragon or Unwol*
IDK xD

Black Origins Threshold = State of destruction/ mindset

matzik1212
May 22, 2012, 01:37 PM
I personally don't think Shioon will use the Black Heaven & Earth technique just yet . Even though i don't quite like to see him being always rescued by someone i remain with my conviction that Elder Kwon will get there and save him . :)

Tbh I'm more interested in Moon Ju's reaction now that he found out that the "ingredient" is none other then 9AD's disciple :nod I wanna see if he's gonna change his attitude.

4ghost
May 22, 2012, 04:16 PM
I also don't see the Black Origin Threshold making an appearance here for Shioon this early in the story. I expect to see it in a similar circumstance as when Chunwoo was consumed by it. My guess that would be somewhere in Part 2's finale, with his opponent being Jegal since I suspect troll face is to be reserved for Hyuk-So-Chun. If it were to happen as I propose then I think it would be an appropriate parallel to have Chunwoo return the favor and snap Shioon out of his rage, although kill the target while he's at it. Besides we are not sure if that ridiculous amount of Ki even qualifies for BOT, since it wasn't brought about by the BHET.

Regarding the current situation, I fully expect Shioon to manage to somehow remove himself from immediate danger, as long as that highest level of ki is accessible for Shioon to use that is. After that it will be up to Shioon to survive long enough to evade recapture and be rescued by those coming to his aid.

NAM61
May 22, 2012, 05:32 PM
i think shwoon will use the black threshold tech to save himself he has been though a lot he will break soon and go crazy. but if this does not happen i dont think the elder kwon will save him i think the guy from the supernovas who was with shwoon. or sera will do it to redeem her self for not telling shwoon the truth.

nanoclarkology
May 22, 2012, 07:26 PM
I personally don't think Shioon will use the Black Heaven & Earth technique just yet . Even though i don't quite like to see him being always rescued by someone i remain with my conviction that Elder Kwon will get there and save him . :)

Tbh I'm more interested in Moon Ju's reaction now that he found out that the "ingredient" is none other then 9AD's disciple :nod I wanna see if he's gonna change his attitude.

His reaction so far has reminded me of the movie Ratatouille. The part where Ego tastes the ratatouille and is pushed back into rememberance of his childhood. I bet that he is going to figure out that Shioon has eaten the Egg/Pill/Dan. Thus the reaction that the dead Shiho had. I am interested in his reaction though too.

haegar
May 23, 2012, 04:38 AM
agreed. it is high time SOMEBODY notices things could not probably be the way they are with Shioon's condition without some sort of external influence other than 9ADs training. I wonder if Sera has her theories about that - she's pretty fast on the uptake normally ... If Moon Ju doesn't get it I'll be irked :D btw how soon can we expect the chap, shouldn't it be around around today or tomorrow, the raw at least?

bighawke5
May 23, 2012, 04:27 PM
am i the only one that thinks shiwoon won't break out with BOT?
to me BOT will be used in a diff context than this...i dont know...he's been in so many diff situations where we though..BOT...but that didnt happen...almost as if the author doesn't even want that technique to be used by the disciple lol

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i think shwoon will use the black threshold tech to save himself he has been though a lot he will break soon and go crazy. but if this does not happen i dont think the elder kwon will save him i think the guy from the supernovas who was with shwoon. or sera will do it to redeem her self for not telling shwoon the truth.

I think its sera that's going to save him, probably by going there herself or telling someone from sunwoo clan specific info that helps to locate him. Thus becoming the person that saved shioon's life indirectly and AT THE SAME TIME redeeming herself lol cuz WE ALL know she wants to be perfect in his eyes even though she puts up a front...;)

matzik1212
May 24, 2012, 01:50 PM
I don't wanna see Shioon being saved by Sera :-_- I mean yeah in a way she is doing what she's doing for Shioon's sake but i don't wanna see her personally showing up there to his rescue . It would suck from my point of view .

Elder Kwon for the rescue :shin :hee

NAM61
May 24, 2012, 03:19 PM
i doubt kwon will even be told i think the supernova will try and rescue him without getting in trouble him and sera will do it imo if shwoon does not save himself which i think will happen using the black threshold tech.

sera vs cool guy or the other suc chick could happen if she goes to save him

plus i want to see an even fight kwon is to powerful for anyone in the SUC he beat the leader smug face easily with no real challenge. kwon goes suc is destroyed

4ghost
May 24, 2012, 04:00 PM
Let me reiterate my thoughts for the upcoming chapter. I think Shioon will reflect back to his lessons from Goomoonryong, Elder Jung and how he practiced what they imparted on to him in the meditation training he learned from Master Yaewon. He will then apply what he learned to his current predicament, thus allowing himself to escape immediate danger.

The situation will become one where the SUC find themselves trying to contain and recapture Shioon, rather than repell any outside threats while protecting the perimeter. This whole situation will be due to the doctor having underestimated Shioon's ability.

mup
May 24, 2012, 08:57 PM
not to be rude but how are you guys implying that shinwoo is going to use the bot when he hardly learn any tricks from the phone my prediction is that some how with the stress of things shinwoo will some how pull an attack and run but not a attack like bot

Darkever
May 24, 2012, 09:38 PM
Well, Shioon must free himself, or at least delay the operation until someone comes to the rescue (Gyu-Bum Yi is really dumb btw, for waiting FOUR HOURS without suspecting anything!). It's probably quite early for the Black Origin Technique, but maybe, with the substance the doctor just injected him (duuumb doctor) and the respiration techniques he was taught in the video on his phone, he may be able to pull off something like BTO, yet incomplete and unstable, and free himself.

I just hope next chapter won't be another flashback/memory/phone call/meanwhile-situation/etc!!!

magzz
May 24, 2012, 10:35 PM
ya i hope in this next chapter Shioon-Nim goes nuts and uses black threshold tech. its going to be awesome cant wait for the next 5 hours to come