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TemplateR
May 20, 2012, 07:43 PM
I have decided to make a Anime-Thread for the new Anime of HxH, which will be started in fall.

So, here is some confirmed information about the new HxH-Anime:

http://i.imgur.com/DUS6T.jpg


HXH anime on Nippon Television.

Start Date: 2nd October 2011

Start Time: 11:55 (GMT+9)

by Madhouse


The supposed staff listing for the new anime, which was posted by 2ch:

Director: Kawajiri Yoshiaki
Assistant Director: Masuhara Mitsuyuki
Series Composition: Hanada Jukki
Character Design: Minowa Yutaka
Chief Animation Director: Abe Hisashi, Miyamae Shinichi
Music: Ike Yoshihiro
Animation Production: Madhouse ( confirmed now )

Here is some "questions" about the anime, which we should get new information this week:

- It is a remake of the old TV-Series ? *confirmed*
- it is a continuation from the OVAs ? *busted*
- Who will be in the anime-stuff of HxH-Anime ? ( probably confirmed already, s. o. ) *busted*

The first new Information about new HxH-Anime !!!


According to Mainichi, the new Hunter x Hunter anime will start on October 2nd. Madhouse Studios will remake it from the beginning of the manga. The production staff and the voice cast are renewed. Nihon TV prepared a new programming block for the new anime at 10:55 am on Sundays.

Staff
Director: Kohjina Hiroshi
Series Composition: Maekawa Atsushi ("Prince of Tennis", "Bakugan" series)
Character Design: Yoshimatsu Takahiro
Program Producer: Nakatani Toshio ("Death Note", "Nana", "Kaiji")

MangaHelpers
May 20, 2012, 07:43 PM
This is a continuation thread, the old thread is 71821

Netero
May 20, 2012, 07:43 PM
I've been listening to the Death Note soundtrack, and now I can't wait to hear the Hunter x Hunter ost for Yorknew. There's something magical about the Death Note ost that fits greatly with Yorknew imo. Since Hirano is behind both soundtracks. I'm confident we're going to be hearing some awesome new songs, like the one that plays during the nen introduction before the episode starts. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drR7ACiAbWs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3LeZNlI0Xg

fanatik
May 20, 2012, 11:02 PM
In this weeks episode Hisoka's shower scene was different than in the preview Wow, I didn't realize. Why would they censor that? It's not like they were going to show anything below his waist anyway, so censoring in this case doesn't make much sense...

futurefrog
May 20, 2012, 11:24 PM
Wow, I didn't realize. Why would they censor that? It's not like they were going to show anything below his waist anyway, so censoring in this case doesn't make much sense...

I don't think it was a case of censorship, appears more to be a simple last minute design change. Not really anything censored, if anything it shows the shape of Hisoka's body more this way. Also who doesn't use a shower curtain? Otherwise water will splash out everywhere haha. Makes more sense I think.

Refraction
May 21, 2012, 08:03 AM
I've been listening to the Death Note soundtrack, and now I can't wait to hear the Hunter x Hunter ost for Yorknew. There's something magical about the Death Note ost that fits greatly with Yorknew imo. Since Hirano is behind both soundtracks. I'm confident we're going to be hearing some awesome new songs, like the one that plays during the nen introduction before the episode starts. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drR7ACiAbWs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3LeZNlI0Xg

I think both of those were done by the other Death Note composer, Taniuchi--the man that did most of the prevalent stuff, outside of Kyrie. I actually rather hope Mad House pulls him on board because he was responsible for all the cognitive music you got in Death Note--music that I feel would correlate more closely to the talkative and pensive quality of this series more than Hirano's relative bombast. One's mileage may vary, though, and I hope nobody slays me for feeling this way; I just looked through the old thread and emerged very afraid. My hair ended up sticking up and everything.

futurefrog
May 21, 2012, 08:13 AM
I think both of those were done by the other Death Note composer, Taniuchi--the man that did most of the prevalent stuff, outside of Kyrie. I actually rather hope Mad House pulls him on board because he was responsible for all the cognitive music you got in Death Note--music that I feel would correlate more closely to the talkative and pensive quality of this series more than Hirano's relative bombast. One's mileage may vary, though, and I hope nobody slays me for feeling this way; I just looked through the old thread and emerged very afraid. My hair ended up sticking up and everything.

I agree with you here. I think it's also a possibility as Madhouse could probably tap him for this quite easily.

Crude
May 21, 2012, 08:32 AM
Speaking of Death Note's soundtrack, there's a track in Hunter x Hunter that really reminds of this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxuMFe6XbtE&feature=bf_next&list=PL2D8BA56B8CB1BCAF

Beans
May 21, 2012, 08:51 AM
^ I think you meant this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsFd4M6bk4c

mrsticky005
May 21, 2012, 03:36 PM
I know many will hate me for saying this...

But I'm actually hoping that Kurapika vs Uvogin is less jazzy.

Diivil
May 21, 2012, 03:45 PM
I know many will hate me for saying this...

But I'm actually hoping that Kurapika vs Uvogin is less jazzy.

what do you mean by less "Jazzy"

futurefrog
May 21, 2012, 04:59 PM
what do you mean by less "Jazzy"

Not backed with Jazz music I'd presume

Beans
May 21, 2012, 05:10 PM
what do you mean by less "Jazzy"

I think it's something like less talking.

Salce
May 21, 2012, 05:30 PM
I just realized the similitudes between Gon and Hisoka in this scene:
http://i17.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/180/hunter-x-hunter-1642705.jpg
Both are willing to sacrifice a lot to enjoy the fight. And the fact that it was specifically an arm makes me think that Togashi had in mind Hisoka vs Kastro when he wrote Gon vs Gensuru.

Also both knew they could heal themself if they won (Gon had Angel's Breath and Hisoka had Machi), but what they did was crazy anyway.

ContractHunterMEMO
May 21, 2012, 05:35 PM
Jazzy
jazz·y/ˈjazē/
Adjective:
1. Of, resembling, or in the style of jazz;
2. Informal Bright, colorful, and showy;
3. Informal Flashy or fancy;

futurefrog
May 21, 2012, 06:08 PM
I just realized the similitudes between Gon and Hisoka in this scene:
http://i17.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/180/hunter-x-hunter-1642705.jpg
Both are willing to sacrifice a lot to enjoy the fight. And the fact that it was specifically an arm makes me think that Togashi had in mind Hisoka vs Kastro when he wrote Gon vs Gensuru.

Also both knew they could heal themself if they won (Gon had Angel's Breath and Hisoka had Machi), but what they did was crazy anyway.

Genthru's clothes are also somewhat similar to Kastro (without a cape of course).
As I've said before, the battle with Genthru is incredibly important for Gon's character development, Genthru transforms Gon, releasing the monster inside of him. The reckless monster that the series had built up to since the very beginning. Genthru, a man that Gon admires for his own monstrousness brings Gon's inner beast to light. Genthru is really an amazing character. Both Genthru and Hisoka are the two enemies with the greatest effect on Gon (more so than Pitou in my opinion). I can hardly wait for Greed Island, I need to see Madhouse's version of the arc, I know they will do it right.

SHINOBI-03
May 22, 2012, 05:23 AM
A little trivia. As you may have noticed, they don't address Wing as "Sensei" 先生, they address him as "Shihandai" 師範代. Shihandai translates to "assistant instructor", while "Sensei" is translated as "Teacher" or "Doctor".

Refraction
May 22, 2012, 10:36 AM
I think it's also a possibility as Madhouse could probably tap him for this quite easily.

I was rather hoping for this course of action myself--and then I find out this has happened, coincidentally, today:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/news/2012-05-22/death-note/kaiji-composer-taniuchi-arrested-on-marijuana-charges

Morphic resonance, that's what's happening here. Morphic bloody resonance.

SHINOBI-03
May 22, 2012, 10:57 AM
Because it was praised a lot by the 1999 fans, I checked out Kurapika vs Hisoka fight.


http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter04_129.jpg
First off, why change the order of the fights? The order in the final phase was based on impressions on Netero about the contestants, and that makes Gon and Hanzo the ones who impressed Netero the most. And this change makes Kurapika and Hisoka the most impressive ones rather than the second. Either that or this is another proof that Kurapika is the director's favorite character wand wasn't satisfied that he was second to last and not showing his fight in the manga and wanted to give some spotlight going against what Togashi wanted.


http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/KurapikavsHisokapart1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0107_20120522_181327.jpg
Is Kurapika being part of the Kurta's public knowledge now or something?


http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/KurapikavsHisokapart1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0224_20120522_181428.png
The fight starts, and it goes in a similar way to Hisoka's fight with Kastro with messing with the cards and try to distract Kurapika by commenting on his fighting style and the flying cards.


http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/KurapikavsHisokapart2-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0041_20120522_181709.png
Then Hisoka talks and says that he's not a magician and doesn't use magic. Why does he reveal his secrets so early? Doesn't that goes against his fighting style with Kastro?


http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/KurapikavsHisokapart2-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0115_20120522_181836.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/KurapikavsHisokapart2-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0139_20120522_181852.png
Kurapika gets excited for a bit, and says he'll use use pride in place of his broken sword. I thought the 1999 was supposed to be the mature shonen that doesn't use immature cliched lines out of BLEACH or any shonen filled with cliches.


http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/KurapikavsHisokapart2-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0158_20120522_181921.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HunterXHunter-05480pmkv_snapshot_1547_20120522_184036.png
The fight goes on, and we see some weird stuff. Kurapika slashes Hisoka in half and he turns into cards! Didn't the 1999 purists rage over a similar move in the 2011 version? Yet, we see here the 1999 pulls a similar trick!! The other thing is Hisoka's attack and the obvious error. For a moment we think Hisoka has stabbed Kurapika's left side, yet we see that he hit his right side and there's no blood. Not even a scratch. I thought the 1999 version is the more serious and more violent than the toned down kiddified new version!


http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/KurapikavsHisokapart2-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0440_20120522_182415.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/KurapikavsHisokapart2-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0458_20120522_182437.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/KurapikavsHisokapart2-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0520_20120522_182508.jpg
The fight goes one, and Kurapika injures Hisoka with one his cards...... okay...? I think I'll buy that...! But that's not the weird part. The weird part is this:


http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/KurapikavsHisokapart2-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0531_20120522_182525.png
To be honest, I can't describe this scene! It's like Hisoka is on drugs or something!! In the fourth test he was able to control himself, but here he's like about to lose it!!


So in my opinion... this is not one of the best fights.

Beans
May 22, 2012, 11:20 AM
Because it was praised a lot by the 1999 fans, I checked out Kurapika vs Hisoka fight.


http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter04_129.jpg
First off, why change the order of the fights? The order in the final phase was based on impressions on Netero about the contestants, and that makes Gon and Hanzo the ones who impressed Netero the most. And this change makes Kurapika and Hisoka the most impressive ones rather than the least. Either that or this is another proof that Kurapika is the director's favorite character wand wasn't satisfied that he was second to last and not showing his fight in the manga and wanted to give some spotlight going against what Togashi wanted.



I think Kurapika and Hisoka weren't the least who impressed Netero, their fight was the second fight after Gon vs. Hanzo, and they even had 4 chances to win, the ones who impressed Netero the lest must be Leorio and Bodoro.

SHINOBI-03
May 22, 2012, 11:24 AM
I think Kurapika and Hisoka weren't the least who impressed Netero, their fight was the second fight after Gon vs. Hanzo, and they even had 4 chances to win, the ones who impressed Netero the lest must be Leorio and Bodoro.

Okay, maybe I was wrong a bit, but the fact remains that Gon & Hanzo were first and Kurapika & Hisoka were the second in the manga and the 1999 version switched them around.

Crude
May 22, 2012, 12:54 PM
I actually kind of like the fight even though it essentially boils down to fan-fiction. Hisoka losing it was pretty disturbing though. And you really can see how much Kurapika favouritism is prevalent in the old anime. I like Kurapika a lot, but reducing the actual protagonist's screentime is just wrong.

Refraction
May 22, 2012, 02:35 PM
Okay, maybe I was wrong a bit, but the fact remains that Gon & Hanzo were first and Kurapika & Hisoka were the second in the manga and the 1999 version switched them around.

I reckon it was to do with illustrating the passing of time in those episodes.

Gon and Hanzo's fight lasted over three hours--and that was enough to pull the day into the evening in the 1999 adaptation. To make this perhaps more convincing, Kurapika and Hisoka going first helped pass a certain amount of time earlier on in the day to make the duration of Gon vs. Hanzo progress more believably into the evening time. This'd be unusual if the days were longer, but after the gang recover Killua, it's mentioned that September 1st is more than six months away; and factoring in the time it took to save Killua after the Hunter Exam, it's probably not too much of a stretch to say the exam was taking place during the winter time or early spring. I think that's confirmed on Greed Island. Like the northern hemisphere in the real world, shorter days are the knock-on consequence. In other words, since Gon and Hanzo fight for three hours, changing the day from afternoon to evening--something facilitated by having Hisoka and Kurapika eat up the morning slot--helped illustrate the feeling of the lengthy passing of time in the Hanzo fight--and it's something that's believable if you consider the time of the year. It was also conducive to making Illumi appear that bit spookier in the red glare of the evening, helping to communicate his fairly dark presence and the mood of the moment.

I reckon that's why Kurapika and Hisoka were made to fight first. I think it was the writers reading into the silences of the manga a bit to get a bit more out of what they had to work with.

chei
May 22, 2012, 02:36 PM
Wow that's really odd that they would censored the shower scene, when they let us a glimpse of his flesh XD first in the preview. Maybe it's more of an art direction change...

Ah the Kurapika vs Hisoka fight was generic and cringeworthy in my opinion. Why would Hisoka lose it like that though, to pre-nen learning Kurapika? Felt OOC to me.... :\ Definitely a case of the Kurapika-loving director Kazuhiro's own mary-sue projection. :hip So glad the new series kept it simple and painless.

mrsticky005
May 23, 2012, 01:42 AM
Is anyone else besides me excited to see Killua vs Riehvelt?
I hope they do justice to the part where Killua catches the whips.

I think Madhouse's "quick animation" style (think Gotoh coin flip animation) will fit nicely with Riehvelt swinging the whips around.

Plus I've no doubt that the shocking scene will look fantastic.

I'm not expecting the overall animation to be TOO amazing given Hisoka vs Gon is right around the corner.
But I hope they at least give quality to the key moments: Like Kilua catching the whips. Or Gon
flipping over the stone tile with his fishing rod in his rematch against Gido.

Beans
May 23, 2012, 04:07 AM
Did Hisoka use his Bungee Gum and Texture Surprise to cover up his wounds in here?

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj549/Omar_Shady/Ufgfgfntitled.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj549/Omar_Shady/Ufghntitled.jpg

Uriel
May 23, 2012, 04:37 AM
You'll never know. Most likely He attended that wound and used it, but it could be always that it healed.

Beans
May 23, 2012, 11:25 AM
^But it would take time if it was healed, it's either he covered it up, or Togashi forgot about it.

Uriel
May 23, 2012, 12:11 PM
It's not a deep wound, and Zetsu is known to make yourself heal faster. And He's not that far from Intensification anyway.

ZonikStrike
May 23, 2012, 01:42 PM
He could even use Reinforcement to heal faster.

Beans
May 23, 2012, 04:57 PM
^You both might be right, I totally forgot about those healing abilities.

Diivil
May 23, 2012, 10:38 PM
Also, this has been talked about many times.There isn't much blood to begin when Hisoka's arm was severed in the manga .Also , due to his aura surrounding his severed arm,there wasn't much blood flowing out from the wound.Only when he remove the aura from there,it will bleed.

and also i think why there was no blood when Hisoka removed his Aura from his arm for machi to stitch it back in the anime was because, they reversed the order of how it was done

In the manga Machi ask Hisoka to remove his Aura and then she proceeds to stop the bleeding.
http://fs06.alcdn.net/manga/464/18625/07_01_05.jpg

While in the anime she stops the bleeding first and then ask him to remove aura, preventing blood from flowing out.
http://screensnapr.com/e/DFMC4C.jpg
http://screensnapr.com/e/Iew84c.jpg

not really a big deal but this in my opinion was a creative way to censor the blood in this scene.


Oh and for the people saying the bathroom scene was "censored" It was not actually it was the same thing as in the manga.

http://screensnapr.com/e/pw9SO6.jpg
http://screensnapr.com/e/5k8EAv.jpg

Beans
May 24, 2012, 10:52 AM
Requiem Aranea Variation from OST 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzmiVhPVj0U&feature=plcp

---------- Post added at 09:52 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:30 AM ----------

In this site you can hear 45 second of every theme.
Here (http://books.rakuten.co.jp/rb/TVアニメ-HUNTER×HUNTER-オリジナル・サウンドトラック2-平野義久-4988021849258/item/11612356/)

shareme
May 24, 2012, 11:44 AM
and also i think why there was no blood when Hisoka removed his Aura from his arm for machi to stitch it back in the anime was because, they reversed the order of how it was done

In the manga Machi ask Hisoka to remove his Aura and then she proceeds to stop the bleeding.
http://fs06.alcdn.net/manga/464/18625/07_01_05.jpg

While in the anime she stops the bleeding first and then ask him to remove aura, preventing blood from flowing out.
http://screensnapr.com/e/DFMC4C.jpg
http://screensnapr.com/e/Iew84c.jpg

not really a big deal but this in my opinion was a creative way to censor the blood in this scene.

Thanks for pointing this out! Madhouse use of censorship highly amuses me and quite telling that they respect the HxH fans and our supposed intelligence, especially the old ones.

As of now, their censorship is:
1) personalized; tailored to fit that character's personality (see: Hisokas' pink flowers and "fairy" dust; Killua's mockingly giving the heart back).
2) changing a more gruesome scene to a less one and still leaving no doubt on what happened on the scene (Killua's panned out killing of two applicants, Hisoka beheading Togari, panned out blood gushing from the sword guy's neck, Hisoka laundering Geretta's dead body instead of just the head)
3) and now, changing the order of scenes as a way to explain the lack of blood.

I'm actually waiting for what kind of personalized censorship we'll see next. :zomg

fanatik
May 24, 2012, 01:28 PM
Oh and for the people saying the bathroom scene was "censored" It was not actually it was the same thing as in the manga.Hey, if you read carefully, you'll see that I meant it was censored in comparison with the preview of that scene in the previous ep, not the manga. And the opinion futurefrog gave on the issue seemed probable, so I dropped the issue long ago.


Anyway, is there any info on when Galneryus releases their 'Hunting for your dream' single? I still long to hear the full version of the song, and the 2nd ost includes only a TV sized one... Ah, and another thing: judging by the 2nd ost it looks like we're stuck with 'Departure 2nd ver.' as the opening for Yorkshin...? The ost is great but this sucks...

Beans
May 24, 2012, 03:04 PM
^I don't think that having Departure 2nd version in the 2nd OST means that it will be the opening of Yorkshin.
I think they'll change it once we get to there, It won't make any since having a cheerful song as an opening for an arc like Yorkshin.

Diivil
May 24, 2012, 03:23 PM
^^I think the reason we got a second version of departure is because the heaven arena arc is relatively short, so i'm guessing that they did want to make a completely different opening for this arc and then make another completely different one again for YorkShin and i'm guessing that they did not want to use a Yorkshin opening for this arc because it would spoiled. SO instead they edited departure with some new scene that are related to heaven arena arc.

Salce
May 24, 2012, 03:45 PM
^^I think the reason we got a second version of departure is because the heaven arena arc is relatively short, so i'm guessing that they did want to make a completely different opening for this arc and then make another completely different one again for YorkShin and i'm guessing that they did not want to use a Yorkshin opening for this arc because it would spoiled. SO instead they edited departure with some new scene that are related to heaven arena arc.
I woud think that, but Departure v2 already has pictures of York Shin arc.

TheAmericandream
May 24, 2012, 10:08 PM
I think I'd be okay with Departure 2 if they removed the Hunter Exam stuff at the end of it, and replaced it with actual Yorknew city visuals.

mrsticky005
May 25, 2012, 12:50 AM
Here's how I imagine the openings/endings going...

Departure/Just Awake

Episodes 1-26: Which covers about Volumes 1-6

Departure 2/Hunting for your Dream

Episodes 27-52: Should cover Volumes 6-11

3rd Opening/Ending. Will likely have Yorknew/Greed Island

Episodes: 53-79: Should cover Volumes 11-16

4th Opening/Ending: Will probably be Greed Island/Early Chimera Ant Arc (Before Meryem)

Episodes 80-106: Should cover Volumes 16-21

5th Opening/Ending: Chimera Ant Palace Invasion

Episodes: 107-133: Should cover Volumes 21-26

6th Opening Ending: Conclusion of the Chimera Ant Arc/Election/Alluka

Episodes: 134-160: Should cover Volumes 26-30


Of course this is probably not exact but I think it be something like this.

Uriel
May 25, 2012, 07:17 AM
Hisoka laundering Geretta's dead body instead of just the head
That was in the previous anime. In this one, He beheads him. You can't see the blood, but for the angle it's quite obvious He's beheaded.

Beans
May 25, 2012, 07:47 AM
That was in the previous anime. In this one, He beheads him. You can't see the blood, but for the angle it's quite obvious He's beheaded.

He didn't behead Geretta.
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj549/Omar_Shady/HunterXHunter16mkv_snapshot_1847_20120525_153827.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj549/Omar_Shady/HunterXHunter16mkv_snapshot_1909_20120525_153842.jpg
He beheaded the man with scars on his face.
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj549/Omar_Shady/HunterXHunter10mkv_snapshot_1113_20120525_153937.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj549/Omar_Shady/HunterXHunter10mkv_snapshot_1135_20120525_153923.jpg

Uriel
May 25, 2012, 09:27 AM
Oh I mixed them up. Hum. that's bad. Now I remember, in the old anime Hisoka brings his hat.

futurefrog
May 25, 2012, 04:05 PM
Oh no! DAT INTIMIDATING HAT!
Gon b fraid!

http://i.imgur.com/1TfQR.jpg

Netero
May 25, 2012, 04:44 PM
^That's some mad scary shit right there... :rolleyes:

leiatte
May 25, 2012, 06:05 PM
Oh no! DAT INTIMIDATING HAT!
Gon b fraid!

http://i.imgur.com/1TfQR.jpg

LMAO, this and Netero's post really made me laugh.

Crude
May 25, 2012, 06:39 PM
I think Hisoka looks good with the hat actually :D

majinjeb
May 25, 2012, 08:33 PM
Three day weekend... looks like I'll be marathoning HxH. I'm starting on episode 14, so I have some catching up to do.

I'm two episodes in and it feels like the series is pretty fast (not that that is a bad thing). My experience with HxH was 1999 series, manga, then the new series. When I read the manga, the pace felt a lot faster than the 1999 series. I know there was/is a debate about which series is better, but I'm just glad that more HxH is there to watch (I can't wait for the Chimera Ants).

mrsticky005
May 26, 2012, 04:18 PM
Question for y'all:


Ok so we know Kite's appearance has been postponed and a lot of us are expecting to see him in Whale Island in a flashback...

Well what if we don't get just an episode of Kite...but instead an entire mini (filler) arc that revolves around Kite?

Would you be for or against this? And what could even happen in such an arc?

Now do please realize that is merely my own idea. There is no indication that Madhouse will do this but the question is what if they do?

I think the schedule could go something like this

May 26th Episode 33

June 2nd Episode 34

June 9th Episode 35

June 16th Episode 36 (Ends Volume 7)

June 23rd Episode 37 Chapter 64 1st half /Kite Flashback Arc

June 30th Episode 38 Kite Flashback Arc

July 7th Episode 39 Recap

July 14th Ep 40 Kite Flashback Arc

July 21st Ep 41 Kite Flashback arc/chapter 64 2nd half

July 28th Ep 42 Chapters 65/66 (Ging)

August 4th Ep 43 Chapters 67/68 (Flesh Collector's Mansion)

August 11th Ep 44: Chapter 69 Greed Island

August 18th: Episode 45 Chapter 70 To Yorknew


August 25th: Episode 46: Chapter 71 The auction begins

September 1st: Episode 47 Chapters 72 and 73: September the 1st part one and two

September 8th: Episode 48 Chapters 74 and 75 September the 1st part three and four

September 15th Episode 49 Chapters 76 and 77 September the 1st part five and six

September 22nd Episode 50 Chapters 78 and 79 September the 1st part 7 and September the 2nd part 1

September 29th Episode 51 Chapters Chapters 80 and 81 September the 2nd Part 2 and 3 (right before Kurapica vs Uvogin begins)

October 6th Episode 52: Recap

October 13th: Episode 53: Chapters 82 and 83 September the 2nd part 4 and 5 (end of Volume 9)

Now of course it might not end up that way...I just thought it be interesting if since September the 1st falls on a Saturday we get the corresponding chapter

brigid001
May 26, 2012, 04:21 PM
Really excited for this episode guys =D I haven't read the manga version only seen the old anime so I'm wondering will they have a knife like you guys were talking about.

Btw it's kinda unrelated but has anyone read the really irritating posts on tumblr about how the old anime is better than the new one. I'm all ears for decent criticism but today I read a comment that says the new anime portrays Leorio as really gay by the way he always looks at Kurapika. I mean seriously... have they actually watched the old version!! Geez some people have really petty criticisms. Thank God for this forum and myanimelist, they have give good reasons for their like dislike >.<

Crude
May 26, 2012, 05:02 PM
Some people are just really attached to the old anime. As for me I love both, but I'm really leaning more towards the new anime.

Goudarz
May 26, 2012, 05:13 PM
Hunter X Hunter Is excellent .

brigid001
May 26, 2012, 05:33 PM
Some people are just really attached to the old anime. As for me I love both, but I'm really leaning more towards the new anime.

Yep I totally understand. I mean I absolutely loved the old version. It was the first version of HXH I saw, and from there I read the chimera ant arc and was completely stunned by the violence O__O. I was overjoyed when I heard it was getting rebooted and that's when I noticed all the differences in characterisations,filler etc. So I kinda appreciate this anime more but I'll always be grateful to the old one for getting me into the franchise in the first place :)

futurefrog
May 26, 2012, 08:31 PM
Question for y'all:


Ok so we know Kite's appearance has been postponed and a lot of us are expecting to see him in Whale Island in a flashback...

Well what if we don't get just an episode of Kite...but instead an entire mini (filler) arc that revolves around Kite?

Would you be for or against this? And what could even happen in such an arc?

Now do please realize that is merely my own idea. There is no indication that Madhouse will do this but the question is what if they do?

I think the schedule could go something like this

May 26th Episode 33

June 2nd Episode 34

June 9th Episode 35

June 16th Episode 36 (Ends Volume 7)

June 23rd Episode 37 Chapter 64 1st half /Kite Flashback Arc

June 30th Episode 38 Kite Flashback Arc

July 7th Episode 39 Recap

July 14th Ep 40 Kite Flashback Arc

July 21st Ep 41 Kite Flashback arc/chapter 64 2nd half

July 28th Ep 42 Chapters 65/66 (Ging)

August 4th Ep 43 Chapters 67/68 (Flesh Collector's Mansion)

August 11th Ep 44: Chapter 69 Greed Island

August 18th: Episode 45 Chapter 70 To Yorknew


August 25th: Episode 46: Chapter 71 The auction begins

September 1st: Episode 47 Chapters 72 and 73: September the 1st part one and two

September 8th: Episode 48 Chapters 74 and 75 September the 1st part three and four

September 15th Episode 49 Chapters 76 and 77 September the 1st part five and six

September 22nd Episode 50 Chapters 78 and 79 September the 1st part 7 and September the 2nd part 1

September 29th Episode 51 Chapters Chapters 80 and 81 September the 2nd Part 2 and 3 (right before Kurapica vs Uvogin begins)

October 6th Episode 52: Recap

October 13th: Episode 53: Chapters 82 and 83 September the 2nd part 4 and 5 (end of Volume 9)

Now of course it might not end up that way...I just thought it be interesting if since September the 1st falls on a Saturday we get the corresponding chapter

I would not be adverse to seeing a mini Kite arc, but only if Togashi oversees it like he has done with previous filler scenes in this new series.
I personally would love to see how Kite found Ging and some foreshadowing of Greed Island with Ging asking Kite to come with him to 'Greed Island'.
That would be cool. Whether it will happen or not is another question altogether.

Uriel
May 26, 2012, 08:40 PM
Hunter X Hunter Is excellent .
Welcome to this forum, I hope you have a great time. And I'm sorry to be a bitch here, but Rules (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/70795-General-Rules-Guidelines-and-Forum-Etiquette) here don't allow one line posts unless they're significant. I'll allow this one because you're new, but please have in mind that the more contribution you do, the more likely you'll get an answer and get to know this community.

Trust me, you'll like it.
@Sticky: To someone new, I can understand. You've time here to spam like that. :O

mrsticky005
May 26, 2012, 08:55 PM
I would not be adverse to seeing a mini Kite arc, but only if Togashi oversees it like he has done with previous filler scenes in this new series.
I personally would love to see how Kite found Ging and some foreshadowing of Greed Island with Ging asking Kite to come with him to 'Greed Island'.
That would be cool. Whether it will happen or not is another question altogether.

Yeah, it definitely would need Togashi's oversight!
I don't think it should show Kite meeting Ging...but perhaps
some of his adventures of looking for him. Maybe even how
he met the Amateur Hunters (I don't showing rather minor characters
like them much earlier would that big of a deal). I wouldn't want
them to reveal Crazy Slots too soon but perhaps we can see more
of his swordsmanship with the regular sword. Or even Ging teaching Kite.
There's actually a lot that could be done. But if it's done I just hope it's done well.



Welcome to this forum, I hope you have a great time. And I'm sorry to be a bitch here, but Rules (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/70795-General-Rules-Guidelines-and-Forum-Etiquette) here don't allow one line posts unless they're significant. I'll allow this one because you're new, but please have in mind that the more contribution you do, the more likely you'll get an answer and get to know this community.

Trust me, you'll like it.
@Sticky: To someone new, I can understand. You've time here to spam like that. :O

Sorry I wasn't trying to spam. I was agreeing that Hunter x Hunter is awesome. :)

Salce
May 26, 2012, 09:28 PM
*o*
http://mar.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338084960926.jpg
http://feb.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338085172885.jpg
http://aug.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338085223261.jpg
http://aug.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338085230056.jpg

Diivil
May 26, 2012, 09:39 PM
Seems like it ogign to be an incredibly amazing episode!. i'm grinning and laaughting like the nerdiest fanboy meeting his favorite movie actor In person:super:nerd:allthe:yourock:victory:woot:wtf:fiesta:dancin:noedu:turtle:blai

Netero
May 26, 2012, 09:51 PM
*o*
http://mar.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338084960926.jpg
http://feb.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338085172885.jpg
http://aug.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338085223261.jpg
http://aug.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338085230056.jpg

Just like the freaking manga! *claps for Madhouse you are the best! and thanks for posting these Salce.

mrsticky005
May 26, 2012, 10:57 PM
*o*
http://mar.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338084960926.jpg
http://feb.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338085172885.jpg
http://aug.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338085223261.jpg
http://aug.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338085230056.jpg

Do you have any idea how tempting is to click that spoiler button?

MUST...WAIT...FOR...EPI...SODE!

LOL

XD

But thanks for posting the pics! I'm glad to hear it's close to the manga! Ten Minutes until awesomeness!

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Is it just me or was Killua creepy or what in this episode?

Awesome! :D

futurefrog
May 26, 2012, 11:04 PM
Wow, stunning episode. Everything clicked perfectly and they kept everything exactly as it was in the manga, in particular Killua's threat with the knife was exactly the same and absolutely epic. I am amazed by the attention to detail and clear love for Hunter x Hunter that Madhouse have.

Also did anyone else see Gon's blood-soaked hand in the preview?

mrsticky005
May 26, 2012, 11:11 PM
Yay!

They included the blood on Gon's hand when he punches Gido in the preview! :)

Gon and Killua are gonna trash the trio next episode! Can't wait!

This one was great too! I'm loving how Gido, Sadaso and Riehlvelt actually feel like honest to goodness characters now and not just gimmicks!

But will we see Sadaso super cool shades in the next episode? We don't see them in the manga but we did in the 1999! Sadaso looked cool...for a wimp XD

My only slight disappointment

Gyo...

I was hoping they do the fire eyes...Maybe later they will. Well it's still cool how they do it...BUT DANG I WANTED FIRE EYES! LOL!

Ren looks great.

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Also I rather enjoyed the instrumental version of the Zoldyck theme...glad they didn't overdo it and have the choir part. I think that would of been too much.

futurefrog
May 26, 2012, 11:20 PM
Yay!

They included the blood on Gon's hand when he punches Gido in the preview! :)

Gon and Killua are gonna trash the trio next episode! Can't wait!

This one was great too! I'm loving how Gido, Sadaso and Riehlvelt actually feel like honest to goodness characters now and not just gimmicks!

But will we see Sadaso super cool shades in the next episode? We don't see them in the manga but we did in the 1999! Sadaso looked cool...for a wimp XD

My only slight disappointment

Gyo...

I was hoping they do the fire eyes...Maybe later they will. Well it's still cool how they do it...BUT DANG I WANTED FIRE EYES! LOL!

Ren looks great.

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Also I rather enjoyed the instrumental version of the Zoldyck theme...glad they didn't overdo it and have the choir part. I think that would of been too much.

In regards to the portrayal of Gyo, I didn't have any real problem with it. It matches up with the other basic Nen abilities in appearance/colour but still has a flame shape. I think that they are only going to have hatsu abilities to be coloured Nen, which does make more sense.

mrsticky005
May 26, 2012, 11:39 PM
In regards to the portrayal of Gyo, I didn't have any real problem with it. It matches up with the other basic Nen abilities in appearance/colour but still has a flame shape. I think that they are only going to have hatsu abilities to be coloured Nen, which does make more sense.

It's not really TOO big of a deal to me...It's just the ending kinda misled me. :P
But hell it sure beats Zushi have scarlet eyes any day! ;)

Really though I'm just rather happy with how it looks Madhouse is treating the handicap trio...it would be so easy to make them into throwaway characters.

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BTW did anyone find it funny how Sadaso was scheduled to fight on May 29th...and it's like May 27th in the real world? I mean it's not the exact date but
it's pretty close!

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Anyone else like the little scene of Gido being handed the shoe. I do! I just love it because it shows Madhouse is actually paying attention . :)

Diivil
May 26, 2012, 11:41 PM
can someoen post a picture of Gyo?

futurefrog
May 26, 2012, 11:41 PM
It's not really TOO big of a deal to me...It's just the ending kinda misled me. :P
But hell it sure beats Zushi have scarlet eyes any day! ;)

Really though I'm just rather happy with how it looks Madhouse is treating the handicap trio...it would be so easy to make them into throwaway characters.

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BTW did anyone find it funny how Sadaso was scheduled to fight on May 29th...and it's like May 27th in the real world? I mean it's not the exact date but
it's pretty close!

Madhouse is making the handicap trio as memorable as they were in the manga. They are like 3 Tonpas! In the 99 series they really messed things up bad with these characters and they ended up feeling like filler. Madhouse has done a brilliant job in conveying their importance and making them interesting.

Wow I didn't notice that, but your right, are they catching up to real time? haha

Netero
May 26, 2012, 11:42 PM
Man! what can I say? This was another great episode of Hunter x Hunter. The knife seen that I have been waiting to see since the beginning of Heavens Arena was kept in because Madhouse is just that badass! Now I can laugh my ass off at all the haters(1999 fan boys/girls) who say this anime is censored out the ass, and is let me quote this "Kid shit" next to the all mighty powerful 1999 series haha.

Well enough of that :derp I like how no background music played during the Killua/Sadasso scene, It just made the scene even more chilling hearing Killua's threat.

Next week looks like it's gonna be Good! Gon's blood soaked fist! :hee

futurefrog
May 26, 2012, 11:48 PM
Man! what can I say? This was another great episode of Hunter x Hunter. The knife seen that I have been waiting to see since the beginning of Heavens Arena was kept in because Madhouse is just that badass! Now I can laugh my ass off at all the haters(1999 fan boys/girls) who say this anime is censored out the ass, and is let me quote this "Kid shit" next to the all mighty powerful 1999 series haha.

Well enough of that :derp I like how no background music played during the Killua/Sadasso scene, It just made the scene even more chilling hearing Killua's threat.

Next week looks like it's gonna be Good! Gon's blood soaked fist! :hee

I'd fist bump that blood-soaked fist of his!

Yes this was a great example of how censorship does not seem like it will be a problem in Hunter x Hunter.
Bring on the Troupe!

Netero
May 26, 2012, 11:53 PM
I'd fist bump his bloody fist too... well I'm from Jersey that's what we do!... jk

It's almost time for Gon vs Hisoka, and the Phantom Troupe! oh hell YES!

mrsticky005
May 26, 2012, 11:59 PM
BTW it looks like Kilua is using a Kunai in the episode. It's rather difficult to tell what it is in the manga...I assumed it was a knife. But really same difference.
Either way it's sharp and pointy... and not a hand.

Killua's outfit is actually a little bit different from the one he had in this chapter of the manga...but it IS canon as he wears it during the Hatsu scene.
Either way it's a cool outfit. Killua has style.

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I'd fist bump his bloody fist too... well I'm from Jersey that's what we do!... jk

It's almost time for Gon vs Hisoka, and the Phantom Troupe! oh hell YES!

Let's not forget Whale Island!

Ging Freeccs bitches! Flying away on his magic dragon! "Child support? Screw that!" Ging is hardcore.

And hopefully we'll see Kite too!

Netero
May 27, 2012, 12:00 AM
Killua's outfit is actually a little bit different from the one he had in this chapter of the manga...but it IS canon as he wears it during the Hatsu scene.
Either way it's a cool outfit. Killua has style.
That he does... Killua is one the most stylish characters in Hunter x Hunter :hip



Let's not forget Whale Island!

Ging Freeccs bitches! Flying away on his magic dragon! "Child support? Screw that!" Ging is hardcore.

And hopefully we'll see Kite too!

Yeah! I can't wait to see Ging and his monster thing sitting atop his badass dragon!

mrsticky005
May 27, 2012, 12:03 AM
Ok which do you prefer

Blue 2011

http://mar.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338084960926.jpg

or Red 1999

http://www.rubberslug.com/user/03c4342b6ffe41f79f6977b132ec5d89/769537-1114829-killua%20ep%2043.JPG

Netero
May 27, 2012, 12:05 AM
^ Tough choice. I like both colors lol. Well... I'll go with the blue hat, it makes his cold eyes stand out more :)

futurefrog
May 27, 2012, 12:16 AM
I go with blue as the colour represent composure and calmness, Killua is calm and composed when he threatens Sadaso. Even though he is so angry, he is still calm and concise in his actions.

mrsticky005
May 27, 2012, 01:00 AM
I dunno why but the red hat always make me imagine Killua would attach two beer cans to them and a twisty straw. :P

But yeah...I'm gonna have to pick the blue hat.

Netero
May 27, 2012, 02:12 AM
So next week episode 34 will be Gon/Killua vs the cripples. Then episode 35 will be the Hatsu training, and the beginning of Gon vs Hisoka. Episode 36 should cover the rest of Gon vs Hisoka and that'll be the end of Heavens Arena. Episode 37 Whale Island, and hopefully soon after that will be the long awaited introduction of Kite... lol.

mrsticky005
May 27, 2012, 02:42 AM
So next week episode 34 will be Gon/Killua vs the cripples. Then episode 35 will be the Hatsu training, and the beginning of Gon vs Hisoka. Episode 36 should cover the rest of Gon vs Hisoka and that'll be the end of Heavens Arena. Episode 37 Whale Island, and hopefully soon after that will be the long awaited introduction of Kite... lol.

Kite flashback should happen halfway into Chapter 64 which is the first chapter of Volume 8. It's where Gon tells Killua about how he met Kite.

Refraction
May 27, 2012, 02:49 AM
For a series that has a good soundtrack, the director's placement of that soundtrack has made me feel some disillusionment with his slapdash use of it.

One musical interlude cuts off another when the topic of Nen is raised, undermining the elegance of the scene. One jaunty bit of music invades one of Wing's explanatory scenes, hurting the gravity and attention his words demand. Familiar chords reappear in every episode, which grates when their use is superfluous, or even routine--as I feel it is here, such as where Gon and Killua leave Wing's place to talk about the threat. Most apparent is that it is only rarely that the storyboard will move in tandem with the music; the music comes across in some moments like it is but an afterthought. It is on that last point that I would dwell most: Hirano's soundtrack is beginning to enjoy the nuance it once lacked, but I'm not feeling the same sensitivity from the director. I don't want to resort to hyperbole, but this reminds me of FUNi's Dragonball Z dub where the appearance of a given character would often summon that character's theme tune when another track was only half the way through--such as the aforementioned Nen scene--and the scene feels messy and even irritating as a result.

I am no greater advocate of any adaptation or form of HUNTERxHUNTER than the other, but as far as direction is concerned, I am not getting on with this one musically. Listening to those previews for the second soundtrack the other day makes me really happy--but that faith wavers with every passing episode when I see just how untidy the music placement can be. I recognise that any endeavour to adhere strictly to the panels of the manga is going to have repercussions for how creative you can be on the screen when it comes to length of manga panels, etc., but that should stipulate either: a different form of soundtrack; or the requisite sensitivity or flexibility when dealing with one as melodramatic as Hirano's--sensitivity that is needed to handle something so bombastic believably. For Koujina, he could afford to take a page out of Hirano's book. Whereas the former is willing to breathe some of his own creative daring into the series, I do feel the latter sometimes tends towards treating the manga as a straitjacket--something that I feel is suggested through music placement that is the victim of a storyboard that can't always use it.

I don't feel total antipathy for this episode. Killua's voice actress is coming along. Killua's design is nicely modelled for his darkly moments. There is some willingness to take creative liberties with the source material, such as what clothing Killua wears, his birthday spiel, plus the cutting of the dialogue of the chaps he was talking to--and some of these liberties reveal some recognition of how best to read the underlying mood of the scene, rather than belittle it with the full brunt of what's in the manga; but if those liberties are possible in the first place, I'd prefer to see them used to better employ the soundtrack. Lastly: when the director's hit-and-miss approach to the interplay between the soundtrack and storyboard actually hits--when Killua is told about Gon's match, for example--the moment is delicious.

These traits do not neutralise my general mood of discontent as far as overall directorial sensitivity is concerned, but I'd like to say they give reason to hope. But I don't want to have to keep saying that after every episode.

End thoughts and opinions.

futurefrog
May 27, 2012, 02:55 AM
For a series that has a good soundtrack, the one responsible for placement of that soundtrack--I'm going to chalk it up to the director--is rendering me crestfallen with that slapdash approach when dealing with it.

One musical interlude cuts off another when the topic of Nen is raised, undermining the elegance of the screenplay; one jaunty ditty invades one of Wing's explanatory scenes which hurts the attention demanded by him; familiar chords permeate every episode where Gon and Killua are concerned, which--while it can be justified in characterisation terms--grates when its use is superfluous and routine, as I feel it is here in the moments before Zushi leaves to get kidnapped and when Gon and Killua leave Wing's place to talk about the threat; and, most of all, rare is the screenplay that moves and unfolds in tandem with the music, with that music instead feeling only like an afterthought. It is on that last point that I would dwell most: Hirano's soundtrack is beginning to enjoy the nuance it once lacked, but I'm not feeling the sensitivity from the director who avails of it. I don't want to resort to hyperbole, but this reminds me of FUNi's Dragonball Z dub where the appearance of a given character would often summon that character's theme tune when another track was half the way through--such as the aforementioned Nen scene here--and the scene feels messy and even irritating as a result.

I am no greater advocate of any adaptation or form of HUNTERxHUNTER than the other, but as far as direction is concerned, I am disillusioned with this one. Listening to those previews for the second soundtrack the other day makes me really happy--but that faith wavers and wavers with every passing episode when I see just how untidy the music placement is here. I recognise that any endeavour to adhere strictly to the panels of the manga is going to have repercussions for how creative you can be on the screen when it comes to length, but that should stipulate either a different form of soundtrack or the requisite sensitivity when dealing with one as melodramatic as Hirano's--sensitivity that is needed to handle something like this believably. For Koujina, he could afford to take a page out of Hirano's willingness to breathe some of his own creative daring into the series, rather than treating the manga as a straitjacket--something that I feel is suggested through music placement that is the victim of a storyboard that can't always use it.

I don't feel total antipathy for this episode: Killua's voice actress is coming along; Killua's design is nicely modelled for his darkly moments; there is some willingness to take creative liberties, such as Killua's clothing and his birthday spiel, plus the cutting of the dialogue of the chaps he was talking to--some of these liberties show some recognition of how best to read the underlying mood of the scene and not belittle it with some attributes of the manga that exist because of the inherent constraints or stipulations of that medium, but if the existence of these liberties is there in the first place, I'd prefer to see them used to better avail of the soundtrack. And when the director's hit-and-miss approach to the interplay of the soundtrack and screenplay actually hits--when Killua is told about Gon's match--the moment is delicious. These traits do not neutralise the general mood of discontent as far as overall sensitivity is concerned, but I'd like to say they give reason to hope--but I don't want to have to keep saying that after every episode.

End thoughts and opinions.

I'm sorry but the majority of this made no sense at all. I don't mean to be rude, but you really make very little sense. Could you please explain properly? I'm sorry if you don't speak English as a first language, I just found this post to be very confusing, don't mean to be mean.

Refraction
May 27, 2012, 02:58 AM
No offence taken, though I am a native English speaker and I feel it does make sense.* It is flamboyant, though--so I'll try to make it less prissy. I'll go back and edit, though, so as to not take up space unnecessarily. I'll take a few moments.

*Upon further reflection, no: it absolutely didn't make sense. Please forgive me for that; I must have gone insane for a couple of minutes. Anyway, my revision is complete. I hope it makes more sense this time around.

mrsticky005
May 27, 2012, 03:06 AM
Nitpick time!

OMG this episode sucked because Wing has a DVD of Hisoka's fight when the manga had it as a VHS! Get with the times, Madhouse!

LOL! Just kidding.

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For a series that has a good soundtrack, the one responsible for placement of that soundtrack--I'm going to chalk it up to the director--is rendering me crestfallen with that slapdash approach when dealing with it.

One musical interlude cuts off another when the topic of Nen is raised, undermining the elegance of the screenplay; one jaunty ditty invades one of Wing's explanatory scenes which hurts the attention demanded by him; familiar chords permeate every episode where Gon and Killua are concerned, which--while it can be justified in characterisation terms--grates when its use is superfluous and routine, as I feel it is here in the moments before Zushi leaves to get kidnapped and when Gon and Killua leave Wing's place to talk about the threat; and, most of all, rare is the screenplay that moves and unfolds in tandem with the music, with that music instead feeling only like an afterthought. It is on that last point that I would dwell most: Hirano's soundtrack is beginning to enjoy the nuance it once lacked, but I'm not feeling the sensitivity from the director who avails of it. I don't want to resort to hyperbole, but this reminds me of FUNi's Dragonball Z dub where the appearance of a given character would often summon that character's theme tune when another track was half the way through--such as the aforementioned Nen scene here--and the scene feels messy and even irritating as a result.

I am no greater advocate of any adaptation or form of HUNTERxHUNTER than the other, but as far as direction is concerned, I am disillusioned with this one. Listening to those previews for the second soundtrack the other day makes me really happy--but that faith wavers and wavers with every passing episode when I see just how untidy the music placement is here. I recognise that any endeavour to adhere strictly to the panels of the manga is going to have repercussions for how creative you can be on the screen when it comes to length, but that should stipulate either a different form of soundtrack or the requisite sensitivity when dealing with one as melodramatic as Hirano's--sensitivity that is needed to handle something like this believably. For Koujina, he could afford to take a page out of Hirano's willingness to breathe some of his own creative daring into the series, rather than treating the manga as a straitjacket--something that I feel is suggested through music placement that is the victim of a storyboard that can't always use it.

I don't feel total antipathy for this episode: Killua's voice actress is coming along; Killua's design is nicely modelled for his darkly moments; there is some willingness to take creative liberties, such as Killua's clothing and his birthday spiel, plus the cutting of the dialogue of the chaps he was talking to--some of these liberties show some recognition of how best to read the underlying mood of the scene and not belittle it with some attributes of the manga that exist because of the inherent constraints or stipulations of that medium, but if the existence of these liberties is there in the first place, I'd prefer to see them used to better avail of the soundtrack. And when the director's hit-and-miss approach to the interplay of the soundtrack and screenplay actually hits--when Killua is told about Gon's match--the moment is delicious. These traits do not neutralise the general mood of discontent as far as overall sensitivity is concerned, but I'd like to say they give reason to hope--but I don't want to have to keep saying that after every episode.

End thoughts and opinions.

While I wholeheartedly disagree I do appreciate the time and effort and thought you must have put into that critique.

Plus you have Near as your Avatar and Near is awesome.

Refraction
May 27, 2012, 03:42 AM
While I wholeheartedly disagree I do appreciate the time and effort and thought you must have put into that critique.

Thank you. It's worth clarifying on my behalf that the very reason I took to writing about this episode is because this adaptation has a lot going for it. I do feel that the infrastructure is there to step the game up a couple of notches, but if it wasn't any good in the first place I wouldn't have felt the need to offer up those sentiments; what'd be the point? I don't want to sully anyone else's enjoyment of the show, so I tried staving off posting anything before because everyone else is getting a real kick out of the series and it's not my place to disturb that. The reason I post in this thread today is because I liked the second soundtrack quite a bit; I just don't feel reassured by Koujina that he can pull off the same creative daring with it in the same way that the director of Death Note could, for example.

I suppose that, if there's any way to reconcile my differing views on the series with most everyone else, it'll be in this regard: because the series does have something going for it, I can feel the need to offer commentary in the hopes that, somehow, the director could take them into account. I'm not going to change anyone's view on the show; I don't think anybody's open to that, and my arguments aren't going to do that. What I posted above is just from the heart, intended to explain my own feelings on the show. I can't change what my first impressions were--not with any enlightened argument--so I'm just hoping that Koujina can bring me something that I'll end up cherishing, too, in the same way that everyone else cherishes this show to bits.

mrsticky005
May 27, 2012, 04:00 AM
Is anyone else getting sick and tired of hearing the 1999 version being called the "original" series?
I know many will think I'm nit picking. But really it's dishonest. 1999 fans try to make it seem like
because the 1999 version did it first that it's better but THIS IS FALSE. The 1999 version DID NOT
do it first. The MANGA did it FIRST. The MANGA is the original. This is not nit picking this is the truth.
If you're calling the 1999 version the "original" then I'm sorry but you're using the word incorrectly.
An adaptation by it's very essence CAN'T be the original. That just makes no sense. It is an adaptation
because it is BASED off the original. the 1999 anime is just simply an earlier adaptation
of the manga than the 2011 version is. You can like whichever you want better.
But if you're basing your choice off of "the 1999 came before" then well that's just being shallow.

---------- Post added at 03:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:42 AM ----------


Thank you. It's worth clarifying on my behalf that the very reason I took to writing about this episode is because this adaptation has a lot going for it. I do feel that the infrastructure is there to step the game up a couple of notches, but if it wasn't any good in the first place I wouldn't have felt the need to offer up those sentiments; what'd be the point? I don't want to sully anyone else's enjoyment of the show, so I tried staving off posting anything before because everyone else is getting a real kick out of the series and it's not my place to disturb that. The reason I post in this thread today is because I liked the second soundtrack quite a bit; I just don't feel reassured by Koujina that he can pull off the same creative daring with it in the same way that the director of Death Note could, for example.

I suppose that, if there's any way to reconcile my differing views on the series with most everyone else, it'll be in this regard: because the series does have something going for it, I can feel the need to offer commentary in the hopes that, somehow, the director could take them into account. I'm not going to change anyone's view on the show; I don't think anybody's open to that, and my arguments aren't going to do that. What I posted above is just from the heart, intended to explain my own feelings on the show. I can't change what my first impressions were--not with any enlightened argument--so I'm just hoping that Koujina can bring me something that I'll end up cherishing, too, in the same way that everyone else cherishes this show to bits.

A question for you...Musically...which episode do you think is the best so far?


Also, I don't always find the music placement to be excellent in the series. But truthfully it doesn't bother me unless it's obviously out of wack.
But when the music placement is done good...I do rather enjoy it. As for the sudden change of music in the beginning of the episode
after Wing says he was lying. I just take this as a comedic technique. I think it can be a bit staggering but it didn't bother me too much.
I was fine with the music during the explanation. The music for ren though I thought a little too mystical or whatever. I mean it works
for the first time nen is shown but I think with Zushi doing ren and then Gyo...It's almost a little bit distracting.

The one thing I hope for the music is that more restraint be used on when to use certain songs.
While I'm glad that Madhouse limited themselves to just an instrumental version of the Zoldyck theme this time around and I do think it fit.
Even with the subject changing to Killua using Gyo we know that there is something else on his mind. He's already premeditating and
thus I think the song works well there.

But if they use it next episode...I think it will just sound silly. When Killua threatens Gido and Riehlvelt again it would be best to keep it low key.
And Killua's fight against Riehlvelt is too comedic to use such a epic song. The fight has action. But story wise it is not epic. But it is cool.
So I hope they use a lot of the guitar themes next episode.

TheAmericandream
May 27, 2012, 04:01 AM
I liked the new episode too, but I also agree with the critique against it, the cheery music playing when Wing describes Gyo was really jarring to me. It seemed random, and cheerful. I would have preferred something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2AFU9J2VkU&feature=plcp not necessarily this track but something mysterious or intriguing not happy. I've felt this way before in this series as well. I felt overall Heaven's Arena and Zoldyck arc have been much better music wise (though my overal liking of the tracks themselves have helped too), but that one scene I thought wasn't handled well mood wise. It's not a huge problem for me in the grand scheme of things though honestly, since these 2 chapters weren't some of my favorite stuff in the manga or original series either.

sticky- Calling the 1999 series the original series or not, is it okay? Well, its the original anime adaptation (unless you count the pilot), so in that way it is the original (doesn't make it right or better then the 2011 series) but that distinction could be made. Now, no its not the original source material, at this point I think you're splitting hairs criticizing what casuals fans want to call it. Fans aware the manga came first they shouldn't call it the original, they should know better. I think you may be reading into it if you feel all people hold it over 2011 because they refer to it as the original.

It's like with the Thing franchise, the 1982 movie for many people is the "original" or the 1950's movie "Thing from another world", but both are wrong its based off a novel. I'd say its proper to call 99' First Hunter X Hunter anime, because thats an accurate description of what it is. Ah I feel we're splitting hairs here :P

Demonspeed
May 27, 2012, 04:05 AM
Is anyone else getting sick and tired of hearing the 1999 version being called the "original" series?
I know many will think I'm nit picking. But really it's dishonest. 1999 fans try to make it seem like
because the 1999 version did it first that it's better but THIS IS FALSE. The 1999 version DID NOT
do it first. The MANGA did it FIRST. The MANGA is the original. This is not nit picking this is the truth.
If you're calling the 1999 version the "original" then I'm sorry but you're using the word incorrectly.
An adaptation by it's very essence CAN'T be the original. That just makes no sense. It is an adaptation
because it is BASED off the original. the 1999 anime is just simply an earlier adaptation
of the manga than the 2011 version is. You can like whichever you want better.
But if you're basing your choice off of "the 1999 came before" then well that's just being shallow.

ME!!. 1999 series was good but full of fillers and Kurapika centric. It had only better OST but with the new soundtracks...

TheAmericandream
May 27, 2012, 04:12 AM
Ok which do you prefer

Blue 2011

http://mar.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338084960926.jpg

or Red 1999

http://www.rubberslug.com/user/03c4342b6ffe41f79f6977b132ec5d89/769537-1114829-killua%20ep%2043.JPG


you guys are also wrong (mostly jk). I prefer Red, because it reminds me of Terry Bogard from SNK's Fatal Fury/King of Fighters games. In the 1999 anime he even tosses it off like Terry does in the games:

Before I knew of the manga I thought this was the anime studios nod to Fatal Fury having Killua wear this in a martial arts centric arc. :P But blues cool too, just dat reference.

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters4/terryt.gif

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters4/terry-hattoss-win.gif

Refraction
May 27, 2012, 04:41 AM
A question for you...Musically...which episode do you think is the best so far?


I think I was most rapt in episode 30--the episode in which they first introduced the Nen explanation before the theme song plays. The scene that follows after Killua and Wing finish their private talk was is definitely one I'd like to wax lyrical about. The expanse of the airy blue sky juxtaposed against a tower that reaches into the clouds paired off beautifully with the wails of the choir that provided all the words that quiet scene ever needed. Gon and Killua sitting with their eyes closed in that mentally transcendent state with the bright of the sky drifting through the window would have married very nicely with the heavenly chanting alone, but panning the camera up towards the sky and the heavens themselves to accentuate the transcendent, divine vibe of the scene was, to my eye, very impressive--and it breathes into that scene an unease that is born of the dissonance created by the gravitas of the music when offset against the darkening of the comparatively juvenile visuals (the shading on Gon's face, for example). That seemingly intentional dissonance is what enthrals me, for it is a reading of that scene that I didn't get in the original manga. It excites for it may tell of the director reading into the scene and delivering a perspective that he has confidence in. Whereas other episodes, I would argue, have had some flat musical placement that has suggested that the director is afraid of pairing the wrong music with a scene--lest he upset the feel of the comic--this part saw him take the reins and go all out to give us his own perspective: it's nuanced and confident, and that confidence impresses.

That same confidence is evoked in the end of the episode. Kurapika's interplay with his master doesn't labour the music, and instead lets the visuals and the sounds speak for Kurapika's character with more dimensions than one musical track or a hodgepodge of many could muster. Shrouded first in the darkness and the deathly purples and reds, I'd say the director illustrates Kurapika's hardy and almost passively aggressive temperament; and then he is showered in rain to underline the sadness and frustration that underpins it all. For my own two cents, giving us the latter directly after the former suggests at the despondence and aggravation that underlines his prevailing steely-face attitude and general no nonsense air. Giving us music there, I feel--music that may be a character theme--would hack away at the elegance and dimensions that the sequencing demands. Musically, then, I am impressed at the restraint in the latter half of episode 30--because that, in itself, takes confidence: it has its own ambiguities, but I'd say it feels tailored, and that's something that some scenes in other episodes--which seem to have almost conflicting sensibilities in the music, dialogue, and visuals--don't have. That's just how I feel on the matter, mind.

SHINOBI-03
May 27, 2012, 06:41 AM
The new series gave us a better look for the ten flow. However, it omitted the part when Wing described it as riding a bicycle.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-33480pmkv_snapshot_0331_20120527_111145.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_032.jpg


Since this is the 21st century and no one uses VHS tapes anymore, they changed the recording of Hisoka's fight to a disk.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-33480pmkv_snapshot_0458_20120527_111327.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_033.jpg


An explanation of Gyu was given. The effects were not the same as the ending theme.
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Looks like the studio has settled on one color for all nen methods in the normal circumstances.
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In Zushi's abduction scene, we see the full Evil Trio in the anime. In the manga we only see Sadaso and Reihlvert and we don't see them take Zushi's shoe off.
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http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_052.jpg


In the manga, Killua was asking how Sadaso looked like. In the anime they changed to confirm if he's the guy with the one arm.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-33480pmkv_snapshot_1658_20120527_113504.png


When Killua asked permission to fight from Wing, he never says that date was his birthday, which was a lie of course (Between brackets in the manga), and Gon gives his date as well which he didn't do in the manga.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-33480pmkv_snapshot_1930_20120527_113808.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_061.jpg


And here comes the big moment. It was excellent by keeping the knife and the lack of music, but they've ruined the element of surprise when they showed Killua's strike before splitting the head.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-33480pmkv_snapshot_2043_20120527_113943.png

8.5/10



Now we get to the old version and how it handled the same event. Unfortunately, the events were in shambles and it was hard to keep track on what's going on in the correct order.

Episode 41:

After Hisoka x Kastro fight, Gon and Killua goes to Wing to show Gon's progress. The aura does not show the improvement as good as the manga and the new anime. And instead of using the recording of the fight, Zushi practices gyo on Wing. The effects were not as "fiery" as the manga.
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http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_031-1.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_034.png

But wait... there's a problem... if we go forward, and to be exact in episode 42 during Gon's fight with Hisoka, we see in a flashback that they've used the recording to practice gyo. And since they've been able to adapt the scene from the manga, that makes the previous one:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/CaptainAmericamp4_snapshot_1438_20120418_233828.jpg

But even that had its flaws. Gon and Killua were not able to use gyo and they went to do that later, as so are we. But not without mentioning that Wing said the recording was done in a special way by a nen user. The question here is: Who was that guy? And how can he give Wing the recording just like that? And How did Wing find him? That part was not mentioned in the manga and it was treated as if it's possible to record the nen aura in a regular video with no special ways. And are we going to see something new? No. We all saw what they've shown to us with the exception of Hisoka leaving the arena. Also notice that they've censored the shot when Hisoka chomps his arm.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP42part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0629_20120519_183342.png


Back to episode 41:

After the class, Gon goes out in the woods and practices gyo, and we see... the plants have nen? What?! Did they ever mention that nen exists in all living beings including plants? If that wasn't enough, Hisoka some how feels Gon aura from his room and decides to give a break and ignore his condition to win at least one battle if he wanted to fight him. Hisoka is easy on him here...! Also, this change doesn't make Gon deserve the honor of fighting him with real effort and not by fulfilling Hisoka's condition. Remember. This is the same Gon who refused Hisoka's help in the Hunter Exam and demanded to take his badge back, And yet, we see him accepting Hisoka's call to forget all about it and just fight him just like that?
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP41part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0651_20120519_173701.png


Let's ignore Gon and Hisoka's fight and concentrate on the correct path of events.


Episode 43:

After the fight, the Evil Trio were discussing about them and their goals. The line was originally said by Sadaso when he was alone in his room.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP43part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0106_20120522_133512.png


Then we see a fight between Killua and a guy named "Dorado" ((Gee, I wonder what's the meaning of his name!)). This fight is completely filler and did not happen in the manga. Nippon studio is weird! They didn't have time to show us Hisoka x Kastro full fight and yet here they are wasting time with a filler fight? And look at Dorado's bright red color. I don't see anyone complaining about it the same way they complained about Majitani's blue color! Maybe because he's not from the manga, but since when the old anime purists took manga as canon? Anything different from the old anime is wrong for them! And look. Killua got slashed by the spear and he doesn't bleed let alone get a scratch on him! I though the old version was the "brutal, Not kid-friendly" version!
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP43part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0222_20120522_133717.png


I'd like to point this out. The announcers are over the top silly! Look at this one's facial expressions! They changes within a second! And what's the deal with the randomly falling tooth? Did they think it was funny or something?
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP43part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0402_20120522_134135.png


Then we get another filler scene where Wing was talking to Killua about his fighting style and not to follow others' shadows etc.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP43part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0411_20120522_135322-1.png


When the Evil Trio stood in the Good Trio's path, Gon gave his date to Sadaso. In the old anime he didn't.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_044.jpg


When Killua knew that Sadaso broke his promise, he smashed a billboard and the windows of a nearby building. We see the repair in progress.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP43part2-YouTubewebm_snapshot_0054_20120522_143725.png


In the manga, when Killua goes to check on Zushi, he watches Hisoka's fight to test his gyo. In the old anime, we see that both him and Gon were able to see the threads and figured out his abilities together. In the manga, Gon was only able to see the threads, but couldn't figure out Hisoka's abilities. They also took their time to explain Kastro's abilities. Howewer, they made Killua ask Wing as if he wasn't there when Kastro explained them in public. Of course, we didn't get to see that in the old anime and had to work it one way or another.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP42part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0714_20120519_184034.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_059.jpg


Later when Killua asks permission to fight, he gives the date and says that it's his birthday, but we didn't know it was a lie. The old anime also made Wing aware of what's going on which was not confirmed in the manga.
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What comes after? A training montage. Note that they are practicing their hatsu. We will get to that due time.
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Here's a note: Killua's and Sadaso's names are written correctly in English instead of whatever language they use in their world.
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In Killua threatening Sadaso scene, they changed the knife to Killua using his claws. If you asked me, I say it made more sense. Killua's claws are already sharper than knives, so why would he need one? And where did he get one and how did he get past the security with it? Also note that the shading of his eyes were redone in the next episode recap to make it closer to the manga. Also note that Sadaso can indeed move his other arm when he was repeatedly clenching his fist.
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http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_063-1.png


And again, more over the top reactions by the announcer.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP43part2-YouTubewebm_snapshot_0543_20120522_144920.jpg

riniloves
May 27, 2012, 06:59 AM
as far as I know the first adaptation is the "98 Hunter x Hunter " (from the Jump festa) where Gon wears blue...
so this one should be the original and should be called first.... not the 99...

shareme
May 27, 2012, 07:00 AM
I've posted this on another board before but what I'm getting is that rather than matching the mood of a scene (to viewers), the BGM corresponds more to what the character(s) mood/feelings are in that scene.

It helps drive the point that these said characters are definitely NOT normal if they're feeling cheery and adventurous on a life and death scenario (Gon).

It also serves as a distraction - aimed to the younger audience - and misdirection - aimed to casual viewers (read: parents) - that HxH is your regular kid-friendly anime... hence, the "cute" character design, the "kiddy" BGM and use of creative censorship.

======= ADDED ========

My only "complaint" about this episode is that they removed Killua's "it's my birthday" line. It helps point out that Killua has a propensity to lie (and Gon can tell when Killua lies) which is a trait for Transmutation types.


In Killua threatening Sadaso scene, they changed the knife to Killua using his claws. If you asked me, I say it made more sense. Killua's claws are already sharper than knives, so why would he need one?

1) Sadaso doesn't know about the claws. Unless Killua demonstrate how sharp his nails are (which he didn't do), Sadaso shouldn't feel threatened with a hand.

2) Killua, at this point in time, is aware how noob and powerless he and Gon are in terms of nen. Any advantage he has must be kept close in hand. Information is crucial.

Refraction
May 27, 2012, 07:19 AM
I've posted this on another board before but what I'm getting is that rather than matching the mood of a scene (to viewers), the BGM corresponds more to what the character(s) mood/feelings are in that scene.

It helps drive the point that these said characters are definitely NOT normal if they're feeling cheery and adventurous on a life and death scenario (Gon).

It also serves as a distraction - aimed to the younger audience - and misdirection - aimed to casual viewers (read: parents) - that HxH is your regular kid-friendly anime... hence, the "cute" character design, the "kiddy" BGM and use of creative censorship.

That's a nice reading of the show! Myself, I do figure that this use of music is functional to an extent. This sort of show would maybe be incomplete without communicating the mood of the characters through music, for it would deprive them of some colour, but I do not feel this should be to the detriment of tone. I feel that the demeanours of the characters and the way they speak, in addition to their actions, could be a better vehicle for illustrating the mood of the characters in scenes where the imperatives lie elsewhere--such as where it is paramount to command attention for an explanation. Music can be engineered to illustrate moods of characters, but it is also the complement of the storyboard to carry scenes into new ones or to foreshadow: Togashi leaves much of his characters' psyche nebulous or unclear; and I get the impression that if Koushina embarked to use music to reflect the moods of the characters perpetually, the screenplay would emerge feeling unfitting or incoherent musically--chiefly because Togashi does lay on heavily the plot at points, and there exists only a set amount of musical accompaniments to etch out a full spectrum of character tones.

Uriel
May 27, 2012, 07:41 AM
Hm.

Seeing those pictures of the Nippon version made me realize that they made Heavens Tower located in Korea or Japan, all chunky. Instead, Madhouse version seems to be located in Europe of some sorts. That's why I felt them SO different.

I liked Gyo, actually. I wanted it white, since all aura seems to go with it. Fire wouldn't make sense. Although it kept the cool shape of a flame, so I'm happy with it.

About the music...I felt the same, but didn't bothered THAT much. It felt weird at some places, but it wasn't that bad anyway. Still, was enough to difficult the enjoyment of the scene.

Will post gifs later. :D

It also serves as a distraction - aimed to the younger audience - and misdirection - aimed to casual viewers (read: parents) - that HxH is your regular kid-friendly anime... hence, the "cute" character design, the "kiddy" BGM and use of creative censorship.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4of9tVqwy1r7jw60.gif

mousiehamster
May 27, 2012, 08:58 AM
Is anyone else getting sick and tired of hearing the 1999 version being called the "original" series?
I know many will think I'm nit picking. But really it's dishonest. 1999 fans try to make it seem like
because the 1999 version did it first that it's better but THIS IS FALSE. The 1999 version DID NOT
do it first. The MANGA did it FIRST. The MANGA is the original. This is not nit picking this is the truth.
If you're calling the 1999 version the "original" then I'm sorry but you're using the word incorrectly.
An adaptation by it's very essence CAN'T be the original. That just makes no sense. It is an adaptation
because it is BASED off the original. the 1999 anime is just simply an earlier adaptation
of the manga than the 2011 version is. You can like whichever you want better.
But if you're basing your choice off of "the 1999 came before" then well that's just being shallow.

What the hell do you think people mean when they call the 1999 series the "original adaptation"? Does it even matter anyway? The 1999 series is probably how most people came to know HxH.

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Also, I don't always find the music placement to be excellent in the series. But truthfully it doesn't bother me unless it's obviously out of wack.

It is almost always out of whack. It's been that way throughout the entire Hunter Exam. I think it's pretty easy to tell the guy who's doing the sound doesn't have a clue.

SHINOBI-03
May 27, 2012, 09:05 AM
What the hell do you think people mean when they call the 1999 series the "original adaptation"? Does it even matter anyway? The 1999 series is probably how most people came to know HxH.

Well, for me, I wasn't a follower when it aired dubbed here. I was familiar with some key events in the Hunter Exam arc when I flipped the channel when there's nothing better to see, but I didn't know much of the story until I decided to buy the manga. I was going to start watching the old series, but the news of the remake changed my mind.

Pokymonn
May 27, 2012, 09:32 AM
After seeing today's episode I'm assured that at this stage the newer adaptation is better in every aspect.
What's more I've found a nice gif directed at those hardcore fans of the '99 version who claimed that this one would be worse.
Wank it, haters :tss

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4nxii1C0f1qfwde8o1_500.gif

mousiehamster
May 27, 2012, 10:09 AM
After seeing today's episode I'm assured that at this stage the newer adaptation is better in every aspect.
What's more I've found a nice gif directed at those hardcore fans of the '99 version who claimed that this one would be worse.
Wank it, haters :tss



Of all the episodes you could have used for support, you chose this one?

SHINOBI-03
May 27, 2012, 10:21 AM
After seeing today's episode I'm assured that at this stage the newer adaptation is better in every aspect.
What's more I've found a nice gif directed at those hardcore fans of the '99 version who claimed that this one would be worse.
Wank it, haters :tss


Slight edit

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/gif%20mot/tumblr_m4nxii1C0f1qfwde8o1_500.gif


And because someone asked for it


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((Okay, why aren't they looping?))

Kamen Rider Dragon
May 27, 2012, 10:31 AM
It is almost always out of whack. It's been that way throughout the entire Hunter Exam. I think it's pretty easy to tell the guy who's doing the sound doesn't have a clue.

I disagree but I'm sure you could do better right?

mousiehamster
May 27, 2012, 10:33 AM
...but I'm sure you could do better right?

Irrelevant. But likely yes.

Kamen Rider Dragon
May 27, 2012, 10:40 AM
Irrelevant. But likely yes.

Doubt it but ,ok

heron bpv
May 27, 2012, 10:49 AM
Beware of the flames people. The nen-police removed it from Gyo, they could remove from us all as well :derp

Will watch the anime in an instant. Gotta eat first (barely awoken, and you guys give me 3 pages to read =.=')

Crude
May 27, 2012, 11:38 AM
Cool episode. The music placement actually was a little odd in this episode. Normally I don't notice that sort of stuff (unless it's really out of place), but in this episode I did. The only times I thought the bgm was well placed was during the scene in which the gang watched the recording of Hisoka's fight and also during the scene where Sadaso was pressuring Gon to fight him (I like the creepy/unnerving atmosphere of that scene). Killua was badass in this episode, and although I prefered the scene of him threatning Sadaso in the old anime over this one, the end of the episode was just great. From what little we saw of the next episode it looks like it will be pretty well animated.

PS: Sadaso's Nen arm looked awesome! I really would love to see the Heaven's Arena characters again sometime.

Demonspeed
May 27, 2012, 12:05 PM
Am i the one who noticed that they skipped the part where someone asks to the ticket seller who is Killua and finally decide to bet on him?

brigid001
May 27, 2012, 12:15 PM
I didn't really notice any awkwardness in the music, probably just too preoccupied with the actual events since it's been awhile since I last watched this arc in the 1999 version. Killua was awesome as per usual. I agree with Pokymonn that I'm liking this series more than the 1999 version. Like I said before though I'll be grateful to that verssion for introducing me to this series :).
Looking at the preview it looks like Gon's fight should be good. It's getting me hyped for the big match to come =D.

A question for mousiehamster. You seem to be much more in favour of the 1999 version over this one. Might I ask what you think the 1999 did better than this one is doing?

Salce
May 27, 2012, 12:43 PM
I also felt that the music placement was a bit odd this week.
And I don't usually complain about the music. I'm a fan of Hirano and the OST of this anime.

The music during explanation of Gyo was too cheerful, and more important, too noisy. It distracted me from what Wing was saying.
And Zoldyck's theme, It was the right choice for the scene when it started, but the music continued during the analysis of Hisoka's fight, and it didn't make sense to use such a creepy song in that scene.

Leaving that aside, Killua threatening Sadoso was great. One of the best scenes of this anime, I found it perfect. The silence made the ambience tense.
And the ending starting when Killua made his creepy smile was the the icing on the cake.

mrsticky005
May 27, 2012, 01:29 PM
Well their reasoning for doing so really doesn't matter (though I do suspect they are trying to win brownie points) the main point is that it incorrect.

Let me show you what the definition of original is. I'm not trying to be a smart aleck. This is important. From Dictionary.reference.com

1. belonging or pertaining to the origin or beginning of something, or to a thing at its beginning:

We then have to ask what is the origin of HxH? Is it the 1999 anime? NO! It is the manga!
By calling the 1999 anime the original you're saying it is the origin of Hunter x Hunter which is not true.

Why is this a problem?

Because it misleads new fans. When you call the 1999 the original they don't realize you mean "the previous anime".
They think that either 1. the 1999 anime IS the origin of Hunter x Hunter and therefore should be the measuring stick
used to judge this 2011 anime or 2. If you don't specify the 1999 anime (but mean that) they might think that
you're actually talking about the manga. Like if I said "In the original, Killua has a red hat" people might not realize
that I'm actually talking about the previous anime (the 1999) and instead may think I'm talking about the manga.
But as we all know the manga is in black and white. Thus it is misleading.

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[QUOTE=SHINOBI-03;2904465]The new series gave us a better look for the ten flow. However, it omitted the part when Wing described it as riding a bicycle.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-33480pmkv_snapshot_0331_20120527_111145.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_032.jpg


Since this is the 21st century and no one uses VHS tapes anymore, they changed the recording of Hisoka's fight to a disk.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-33480pmkv_snapshot_0458_20120527_111327.png
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An explanation of Gyu was given. The effects were not the same as the ending theme.
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Looks like the studio has settled on one color for all nen methods in the normal circumstances.
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In Zushi's abduction scene, we see the full Evil Trio in the anime. In the manga we only see Sadaso and Reihlvert and we don't see them take Zushi's shoe off.
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In the manga, Killua was asking how Sadaso looked like. In the anime they changed to confirm if he's the guy with the one arm.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-33480pmkv_snapshot_1658_20120527_113504.png


When Killua asked permission to fight from Wing, he never says that date was his birthday, which was a lie of course (Between brackets in the manga), and Gon gives his date as well which he didn't do in the manga.
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And here comes the big moment. It was excellent by keeping the knife and the lack of music, but they've ruined the element of surprise when they showed Killua's strike before splitting the head.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-33480pmkv_snapshot_2043_20120527_113943.png

8.5/10



Now we get to the old version and how it handled the same event. Unfortunately, the events were in shambles and it was hard to keep track on what's going on in the correct order.

Episode 41:

After Hisoka x Kastro fight, Gon and Killua goes to Wing to show Gon's progress. The aura does not show the improvement as good as the manga and the new anime. And instead of using the recording of the fight, Zushi practices gyo on Wing. The effects were not as "fiery" as the manga.
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But wait... there's a problem... if we go forward, and to be exact in episode 42 during Gon's fight with Hisoka, we see in a flashback that they've used the recording to practice gyo. And since they've been able to adapt the scene from the manga, that makes the previous one:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/CaptainAmericamp4_snapshot_1438_20120418_233828.jpg

But even that had its flaws. Gon and Killua were not able to use gyo and they went to do that later, as so are we. But not without mentioning that Wing said the recording was done in a special way by a nen user. The question here is: Who was that guy? And how can he give Wing the recording just like that? And How did Wing find him? That part was not mentioned in the manga and it was treated as if it's possible to record the nen aura in a regular video with no special ways. And are we going to see something new? No. We all saw what they've shown to us with the exception of Hisoka leaving the arena. Also notice that they've censored the shot when Hisoka chomps his arm.
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Back to episode 41:

After the class, Gon goes out in the woods and practices gyo, and we see... the plants have nen? What?! Did they ever mention that nen exists in all living beings including plants? If that wasn't enough, Hisoka some how feels Gon aura from his room and decides to give a break and ignore his condition to win at least one battle if he wanted to fight him. Hisoka is easy on him here...! Also, this change doesn't make Gon deserve the honor of fighting him with real effort and not by fulfilling Hisoka's condition. Remember. This is the same Gon who refused Hisoka's help in the Hunter Exam and demanded to take his badge back, And yet, we see him accepting Hisoka's call to forget all about it and just fight him just like that?
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP41part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0651_20120519_173701.png


Let's ignore Gon and Hisoka's fight and concentrate on the correct path of events.


Episode 43:

After the fight, the Evil Trio were discussing about them and their goals. The line was originally said by Sadaso when he was alone in his room.
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Then we see a fight between Killua and a guy named "Dorado" ((Gee, I wonder what's the meaning of his name!)). This fight is completely filler and did not happen in the manga. Nippon studio is weird! They didn't have time to show us Hisoka x Kastro full fight and yet here they are wasting time with a filler fight? And look at Dorado's bright red color. I don't see anyone complaining about it the same way they complained about Majitani's blue color! Maybe because he's not from the manga, but since when the old anime purists took manga as canon? Anything different from the old anime is wrong for them! And look. Killua got slashed by the spear and he doesn't bleed let alone get a scratch on him! I though the old version was the "brutal, Not kid-friendly" version!
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I'd like to point this out. The announcers are over the top silly! Look at this one's facial expressions! They changes within a second! And what's the deal with the randomly falling tooth? Did they think it was funny or something?
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Then we get another filler scene where Wing was talking to Killua about his fighting style and not to follow others' shadows etc.
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When the Evil Trio stood in the Good Trio's path, Gon gave his date to Sadaso. In the old anime he didn't.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_044.jpg


When Killua knew that Sadaso broke his promise, he smashed a billboard and the windows of a nearby building. We see the repair in progress.
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In the manga, when Killua goes to check on Zushi, he watches Hisoka's fight to test his gyo. In the old anime, we see that both him and Gon were able to see the threads and figured out his abilities together. In the manga, Gon was only able to see the threads, but couldn't figure out Hisoka's abilities. They also took their time to explain Kastro's abilities. Howewer, they made Killua ask Wing as if he wasn't there when Kastro explained them in public. Of course, we didn't get to see that in the old anime and had to work it one way or another.
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Later when Killua asks permission to fight, he gives the date and says that it's his birthday, but we didn't know it was a lie. The old anime also made Wing aware of what's going on which was not confirmed in the manga.
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What comes after? A training montage. Note that they are practicing their hatsu. We will get to that due time.
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Here's a note: Killua's and Sadaso's names are written correctly in English instead of whatever language they use in their world.
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In Killua threatening Sadaso scene, they changed the knife to Killua using his claws. If you asked me, I say it made more sense. Killua's claws are already sharper than knives, so why would he need one? And where did he get one and how did he get past the security with it? Also note that the shading of his eyes were redone in the next episode recap to make it closer to the manga. Also note that Sadaso can indeed move his other arm when he was repeatedly clenching his fist.
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And again, more over the top reactions by the announcer.
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ON the contrary I say it ADDED to the element of surprise. I mean at that point it's not like Sadaso could have done anything.
And if you notice in the manga we get a glimpse of Killua's shoe as he walks which hinted his arrival which is even more spoilerish.

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What the hell do you think people mean when they call the 1999 series the "original adaptation"? Does it even matter anyway? The 1999 series is probably how most people came to know HxH.

It doesn't really matter "what they mean" they are using the term "original" incorrectly. And I can't tell what they mean necessarily.
Maybe some are unaware of the manga and think the 1999 anime is actually the origin of HxH which it is not. Others might just be
trying to use original in place of previous which would mean it's a problem of word usage. And some might even know that it is
incorrect but do so anyways to gain brownie points. Yes it does matter it is incorrect and disrespectful to the original manga. That doesn't make it original.

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Am i the one who noticed that they skipped the part where someone asks to the ticket seller who is Killua and finally decide to bet on him?

Actually I did notice that. I figure with stuff like that they ran out of time. Remember it's always possible it can be added on to the DVDS.

---------- Post added at 12:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:19 PM ----------

Question for y'all:

Who do you like best?

Gido?
Riehlvelt?
Sadaso?

You must pick one of these choices. No answering Hisoka! :P

heron bpv
May 27, 2012, 01:48 PM
Well, I finally watched it and again, the anime is on a roll =]
About the music, it changes with people's tastes and perceptions, i.e. I didn't care about the music during Wing's explanation simply because I was not paying attention to the music but to the explanation. If the music was too loud for me to listen to Wing, that would be another story. =P
Also, the knife scene. Dunno why people are making so much ruckus about it and how it wasn't show in the '99 version, but I gotta say it's one hell of a cliffhanger for me. Can't wait for next episode! =D

@>heron_bpv cast's "Ninnpou-Edit no jutsu":

Quoting Hisoka: "Answer is letter d: none of the above" =P

>heron_bpv successfuly cast "Ninnpou-Edit no jutsu"

mrsticky005
May 27, 2012, 02:34 PM
Also, the knife scene. Dunno why people are making so much ruckus about it and how it wasn't show in the '99 version, but I gotta say it's one hell of a cliffhanger for me. Can't wait for next episode! =D

It's just 1999 fanatics who can't seem to or refuse to understand that the 1999 is just an earlier ADAPTATION of the original manga and think that the 1999
anime must be what we should use to judge the 2011 anime rather than the actual source material that again being the original manga.

Now it's perfectly ok to like the 1999 version of the hand scene better. You can like it better for a variety of reasons.

But to claim that it's better because it was how it was done "originally" is being dishonest or ignorant. Take your pick.

And for the record I actually rather like the hand scene in the 1999. While I prefer the knife (the closer it is to the manga the more happy I am in general)
I do think the hand was a cool alternative.

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This 2011 version of the threatening Sadaso scene is better than the 1999 version and it has nothing to do with knives or hands.

but characterization.

You see you have to go to previous episodes to truly compare. Killua's characterization in the 1999 and 2011 versions are very different.
And which is more true to the original manga? That would be the 2011 version...BY MILES. Though even the 2011 is slightly off in places.

In the 1999 Killua is disturbed. He is a conflicted young preteen who struggles with the immorality of murder with his uncontrollable rage and twisted upbringing.

In the 2011 Killua is a deceitful young preteen who has zero qualms against murder because of his upbringing but no longer wishes to murder not for any moral
reasons but because he doesn't like his parents telling him what to do with his life. Killua wants to live a "normal" life because it seems more fun to him.


When it comes to threatening Sadaso, the 1999 version could be arguably seen as Killua resorting back to his old murderous self and the struggle for his morality.

However the 2011 version Killua is simply doing what works. As Killua said it's difficult to get things done without killing.
Killua does not see killing as a moral issue but rather an ends to a means.

Salce
May 27, 2012, 04:30 PM
Did anybody get what was the joke in the preview of episode 34?

I mean, why were they saying "ne-ne-ne"?...

Uriel
May 27, 2012, 06:13 PM
Gif-a-thon
The one everybody wants:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oykgf1PE1r379r7o1_r1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4o5d2Adhb1r5zfj8o1_500.gif

"-Hum.
-Hey.
-Ha."
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Gyo, which should be discussed a bit more:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ox7sQ58H1rn5beeo1_500.gif

Ren, more 3Dish now:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ozzqOZXH1qfwde8o1_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oz0iqt9q1qa3bqpo1_500.gif

They look so cute :3
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4p0hvsrdK1qfwde8o1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oxg1a7u31rn5beeo1_500.gif

Blood :O
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oyfyViId1r379r7o1_500.gif

mrsticky005
May 27, 2012, 06:16 PM
Did anybody get what was the joke in the preview of episode 34?

I mean, why were they saying "ne-ne-ne"?...

I have no clue. Japanese humor? Just trying to be cute? Made no sense to me.
I ignore stuff like that since it's ultimately the dub I'm waiting for.

---------- Post added at 05:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:14 PM ----------

Gif-a-thon
The one everybody wants:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oykgf1PE1r379r7o1_r1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4o5d2Adhb1r5zfj8o1_500.gif

"-Hum.
-Hey.
-Ha."
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4p1bgbXWY1qfwde8o1_500.gifhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4p1bgbXWY1qfwde8o2_r1_500.gif

Gyo, which should be discussed a bit more:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ox7sQ58H1rn5beeo1_500.gif

Ren, more 3Dish now:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ozzqOZXH1qfwde8o1_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oz0iqt9q1qa3bqpo1_500.gif

They look so cute :3
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4p0hvsrdK1qfwde8o1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oxg1a7u31rn5beeo1_500.gif

Blood :O
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oyfyViId1r379r7o1_500.gif

Gotta say...that bloody fist looks awesome.

Akia999
May 27, 2012, 09:06 PM
Gif-a-thon
The one everybody wants:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oykgf1PE1r379r7o1_r1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4o5d2Adhb1r5zfj8o1_500.gif

"-Hum.
-Hey.
-Ha."
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4p1bgbXWY1qfwde8o1_500.gifhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4p1bgbXWY1qfwde8o2_r1_500.gif

Gyo, which should be discussed a bit more:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ox7sQ58H1rn5beeo1_500.gif

Ren, more 3Dish now:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ozzqOZXH1qfwde8o1_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oz0iqt9q1qa3bqpo1_500.gif

They look so cute :3
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4p0hvsrdK1qfwde8o1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oxg1a7u31rn5beeo1_500.gif

Blood :O
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4oyfyViId1r379r7o1_500.gif

Gotta love the sadasu one.They look so cute and weird (and creepy) in that one.
And the killua one is epic.


This week episode was pretty good.Nothing more to add.
Though they cut out some part of the dialogue that was in the manga.

thatguy3331
May 27, 2012, 10:47 PM
Dem pigs....

I guess they are to be the staple of 'WTF' cause thats all I could think when I saw them behind Wing and Zushi, and considering what was going on in those scenes I must say, well done. :mono

This ep was great for me, I like how they played everything out and Killua was just great this whole ep, the ending, needless to say, was awesome as shit.

I can't wait till next week cause then we'll see some fights! ye-heah! I know HxH's to be the intelligent shounen and all but I love seeing the fights in this show, it'll be a nice distraction til THAT fight comes.

8/10

LET IT BE KNOWN, NEXT WEEK GON WILL BE CROWNED THE BLOODY KNUCLES CHAMPION!

mrsticky005
May 28, 2012, 12:42 AM
Welll Togashi does use pigs for when people tell really bad lies. Why? I dunno.

Demonspeed
May 28, 2012, 02:41 AM
Did anybody get what was the joke in the preview of episode 34?

I mean, why were they saying "ne-ne-ne"?...

It's a reference to Sadaso. He says "ne" when he speaks very often.

mrsticky005
May 28, 2012, 02:42 AM
Ok, watching the 1999 version again and while I must give it props for following the manga rather close in a page by page comparison (sometimes
even more so than the 2011 version) the thing is the order of the events is so screwed up and the added filler just messes with the story.
and this is worse than Kite's delay in the 2011 series because that is a flashback here we are dealing with an actual change of order of sequence of events.

It's like this...

Why did Gon go to Heavens Arena?

To punch Hisoka.

Gon already punched Hisoka.

So why is still at Heavens Arena?

To reach the top!

Ok...then why does he and Killua quit right after beating Riehlvelt and Gido

Uh...they got bored?

Right. -_-

It's a shame because the 1999 actually did well with the actual quality of the episodes...
But it's like with the change of order of events and the added filler it just makes it feel like
"Hey the main fight is over but here's some bonus filler fight while we prepare for the
awesome Kurapika arc." When you could say in the manga Gido, Riehvelt and Sadaso
are actually just as important as Hisoka in the Heavens Arena arc in the shaping of
Gon, Killua and even Zushi's character.

Another thing

Gon threw a stone tile at Hisoka...Why didn't Riehlvelt prepare for this?
All three of them watched the fight of Gon vs Hisoka didn't they?

For those who would say "But then why didn't Hisoka in the manga prepare for the stone tile throw"
He WAS prepared. He effortlessly deflected all the shattered pieces...But Gon was quick and clever enough
to use it as a smoke shield.

Really one could probably go on forever on how much the order messes things up. And that's just the order of events.
Don't even get me started on the filler. And Killua vs Dorado. I watched it again. Not so impressed this time. I especially hate
the talk with Wing after ward about the "nen" Killua at the end (it seem heavily implied this is some dark evil nen or something)

Killua "It wasn't something you taught me. It just happened."

It's like the 1999 director really wants Killua to be a good but troubled person who can't control himself.

SHINOBI-03
May 28, 2012, 04:26 AM
Ok, watching the 1999 version again and while I must give it props for following the manga rather close in a page by page comparison (sometimes
even more so than the 2011 version) the thing is the order of the events is so screwed up and the added filler just messes with the story.
and this is worse than Kite's delay in the 2011 series because that is a flashback here we are dealing with an actual change of order of sequence of events.

It's like this...

Why did Gon go to Heavens Arena?

To punch Hisoka.

Gon already punched Hisoka.

So why is still at Heavens Arena?

To reach the top!

Ok...then why does he and Killua quit right after beating Riehlvelt and Gido

Uh...they got bored?

Right. -_-

It's a shame because the 1999 actually did well with the actual quality of the episodes...
But it's like with the change of order of events and the added filler it just makes it feel like
"Hey the main fight is over but here's some bonus filler fight while we prepare for the
awesome Kurapika arc." When you could say in the manga Gido, Riehvelt and Sadaso
are actually just as important as Hisoka in the Heavens Arena arc in the shaping of
Gon, Killua and even Zushi's character.

The thing I disliked the most with this change of events is making Gon get the chance to fight Hisoka without doing any real effort. All what he did was practicing gyo and that was enough to change Hisoka's mind?! And like I said, this is the same Gon who refused Hisoka's help in the Hunter Exam. And he didn't object here?




It's like the 1999 director really wants Killua to be a good but troubled person who can't control himself.

As if episodes 11 and 12 weren't enough of a clue.




This episode covers chapters 13 and 14 in the manga; the material was covered in episodes 11 and 12 of the 1999 series.

The 1999 series' main plot sees a failed applicant from the second phase sneaking onto the airship. Her father was killed by a Zoldyck and she thinks that Killua did it.
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I was never a fan of this filler. It's poorly written in a number of parts and really changes Killua from his manga incarnation. Their relationship with her is weird...she's irrational and consistently rude, so why does Gon play for her right to take the Hunter Exam? Gon's last bit of dialogue to her sees him telling her to take the Hunter Exam again next year so she can become a Blacklist Hunter...despite her ultimate goal being to capture and kill Killua. What?

Anita is present in a few frames during episode 10 as a contestant, in which she fails the second phase because she doesn't jump off into the ravine. But then she stows away outside of an airship hundreds of feet in the air? Uh? Anita also somehow manages to knock two professional Hunters unconscious. Even though she failed the exam. Okay then.

Whether or not you prefer the characterization of Killua in the old series vs. the new is completely up to you to decide. They're very different people.
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This is where the 1999 series first shows its chops. The first half of both episodes 11 and 12 are fantastically done (the latter halves of each episode are pretty forgettable; perspective mistakes galore in the second half of 11). I recommend it for the animation alone, though the plot is hit or miss.

Tonpa tries to psyche Kurapika and Leorio out, but he actually manages to in the Nippon Animation version. He freaks them out with lies about a hidden test (which turns out to be true in the 1999 series' filler) and then annoys them by snoring. He doesn't succeed in either the manga or Madhouse adaptation. Keep in mind that the main characters still don't know that he's a "rookie crusher."
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The proctors' conversation about the Examinees is done better in this episode. If you check last episode, you can actually see Hisoka provoking Menchi. Or at least, getting ready for battle. The problem with this in the 1999 series is that they tried to go the comedic route with Hisoka during Menchi's exam. In it, Hisoka sort of leaves during the Sushi and starts throwing stones in a pond. You literally don't see him again until Netero's airship reaches the Numere Wetlands--where he's still throwing stones in a pond.
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Satotz tries to forcefeed the viewer his opinion about Hisoka in the Nippon Animation adaptation with a couple of emphasized lines not in the manga or Madhouse version--he calls Hisoka dangerous and a heretic in it.

Killua's interactions with Gon are very different between versions. The 1999 series gives some well-animated scenes of the duo exploring the rest of the airship. When they're scolded, Gon starts sulking intensely. It's played for laughs, but goes against Gon's character. NBD, considering Gon acts extremely OoC throughout both episodes.
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So then Gon asks if Killua has parents. It's an interesting way of prefacing the conversation. Killua says they're assassins and plays it off as a lie, but Gon already realizes that he's telling the truth. In the 1999 series, Killua sort of segues into talking about his family and Gon asks what his parents do. It seems similar, but the nuance is completely different. I like how Madhouse and the manga handle it because it's a question out from nowhere. Gon, who knows nothing about his own birth parents, starts a conversation with Killua asking if his own are still alive.

But a secondary problem lies with the characterization of Killua (in Nippon Animation's version) because of it. Killua mentions that he's charming because people can never tell if he's joking or serious. But in all of the episodes prior to this one, Killua is a deathly serious character. He doesn't really tell jokes. He's more mysterious than anything else. His personality is at odds with the things he says in the old series. Madhouse adapted the scene as it was in the manga.
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As far as the conversation goes, the dialogue is slightly censored when Killua talks about what he did to his mom and brother. The 1999 series has Killua simply say he "nearly killed his mother and brother" while the 2011 series and manga get into more graphic detail. The boys both talk about surpassing their dads (something the pair never discusses as a goal in the manga). Director Furuhashi makes a motif of Gon saying "I just know" when it comes to situations surrounding Killua.
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Anyways, the shows diverge from here. The 1999 series starts focusing on the Anita storyline. The best scene is Leorio hitting on Anita. Anita comes up to Killua and provokes him, then tries to kill him until Netero intervenes. Then comes the angst. Killua in Nippon Animation's version is extremely emotionally distressed. Killua thinks that Gon doesn't want to be friends with him because he's an assassin. Gon says that Killua isn't a bad person; the reason Gon thinks so is because he knows Killua didn't kill Anita's father. Killua gets angsty. He tries to attack Gon, who doesn't flinch.
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Now the storylines start converging again, for the most part. Netero shows up out of nowhere. But instead of dashing past the kids at an incredible speed...Netero's sort of just behind them, scratching his ass. Killua's views toward Netero (and his own actions) have completely changed. Killua is initially threatened by Netero's presence in both Madhouse's version and the manga--it's somewhat important to think about the reasons why. Killua is only mad at Netero in the 1999 series because he was already on edge from the whole Anita thing.
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Gon for some reason is deeply concerned with Anita's wellbeing, even though she tried to kill his friend like two minutes ago. He questions what's going to happen to her, with Netero responding that she probably will be banned from taking the Hunter Exam. Gon, deeply concerned, asks if there's anything he can do to prevent that. So they play the game. The main reason why Gon plays against Netero in the 1999 series isn't because of the free license (though I guess it certainly is Killua's motive)--Gon does it because he doesn't want Netero to press charges against Anita. He's such a goody-goody.

So the game starts. If you'll notice, the characters are significantly less fast as they are in the Madhouse version. Killua has the nerve to say "What speed!" regarding Netero's agility near the end of episode 11, despite everything being poorly animated and slow. The game doesn't really pick up until the beginning of episode 12.

Killua then showcases one of his special techniques: "Rhythm Echo." Nippon Animation always had the problem of being unable to accurately mimic the characters' fighting styles. The attack's effects are significantly different in the 1999 series. In the manga and Madhouse version, Killua's cadence somehow allows him to create afterimages. Uh, I don't really understand how it works either. Nippon Animation doesn't give the technique a name--in fact, it's a completely different move. Killua walks similarly, but it makes him disappear into the darkness.
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So in the 1999 series, even though Killua disappears into darkness to steal the ball, he decides to scream really loudly when he reveals himself (giving away his location, nullifying his intent in the first place). Ok. Episode 11 is over, and gladly.
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/Toto_y_Moi/Hunter%20x%20Hunter%207/KilScream.jpg

Episode 12 starts and the animation is great again.
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I was wondering how Madhouse was going to attempt to surpass the animation in the 1999 series. Simple--they didn't attempt. But Madhouse emphasizes Gon's speed in a way the 1999 adaptation didn't ever do. This series doesn't waste time in making its protagonist look cool.
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So the kids try pretty hard, but to no avail. Killua gives up, and we get some more divergence. The difference is in his reaction. Killua in the manga is angered, threatened, and annoyed by Netero. He mentions Netero's handicap to Gon. But in the Nippon Animation version, Killua is terrified of his own capacity. He starts shaking and walks out after only saying "I give up." Anita's the one who has to explain to Gon about Netero's arm and leg.
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/Toto_y_Moi/Hunter%20x%20Hunter%207/KilScared.jpg

Aaaand then we get a split personality. Killua is both emotionally and psychologically unstable in the 1999 series. He talks to himself and berates himself for letting his murderous urges take over.
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/Toto_y_Moi/Hunter%20x%20Hunter%207/KilSplit.jpg
During his conversation with himself, a random applicant decides to stand around and watch Killua and gets annoyed by him talking to himself. So Killua decides to kill him...
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...only, not really! No one panic, he's ok folks! In the Nippon Animation version, Killua just manages to hurt the applicant kind of badly (and bloodlessly, I might add). You see him covered in bandages by the end of the episode. Nippon Animation missed covering an extremely important theme in this series.

Hisoka removes a man's arms for having bumped into him. In a direct parallel, Killua murders two men for having done the same thing. It's supposed to make you question whether or not both Hisoka and Killua are "the bad guys." Killua doesn't kill this dude or Anita in the older anime. But the failed characterization and censorship in the 1999 series are side-effects of Nippon Animation removing moral ambiguity for straightforward "good" vs "bad" in the first arc. It gets better in the second half of the anime, but as of right now it's a real shame.

Oh yeah, and there's this short filler with Leorio and Kurapika coming to Menchi's room in the middle of the night. Neither of them have good reasons, and I can't say it's all that entertaining.

For some reason, Netero and Gon move their game outside in the 1999 version. Nippon Animation fails to include a move that Gon does fairly often over the course of the series--this dash thing that he does. Instead, he pulls out his fishing rod to use as a weapon. I really liked this part in the Madhouse version.
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The conclusion to Gon vs Netero is different. Gon tries to headbutt twice in the old version, but falls off the airship (and saves himself using his fishing rod). Gon pulls himself up, kicks Netero in the face, and reaches for the ball. Netero then defies the laws of gravity and gets the ball back using all of his limbs. In the Madhouse version and manga, Gon tries to headbutt twice and Netero dodges using his right arm while carrying the ball with his left.
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Episode 12 ends with a really bad conclusion. Like, really bad. The dialogue is terrible. Just watch it and see what you think.

Original Post by Toto y Moi

mrsticky005
May 28, 2012, 09:49 AM
The thing I disliked the most with this change of events is making Gon get the chance to fight Hisoka without doing any real effort. All what he did was practicing gyo and that was enough to change Hisoka's mind?! And like I said, this is the same Gon who refused Hisoka's help in the Hunter Exam. And he didn't object here?





As if episodes 11 and 12 weren't enough of a clue.




Original Post by Toto y Moi

You know what might be an interesting idea?

Take out everything but the filler from the 99 version.

See how much people like it.

Uriel
May 28, 2012, 10:27 AM
Toto here is called Popo. :D

And I have a preview you all will like:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4p1hseVVc1rs84cuo1_500.gif

Sea Hunter
May 28, 2012, 12:44 PM
For those who would say "But then why didn't Hisoka in the manga prepare for the stone tile throw"
He WAS prepared. He effortlessly deflected all the shattered pieces...But Gon was quick and clever enough
to use it as a smoke shield.



Hisoka doesn't "prepare" for an attack / opponent he just fights, Hisoka "preparing" beforehand contradicts everything we've read about him in the manga, any preparations he does are in the fight itself not before it..

Hisoka vs Kastro
Hisoka willing to take on the whole Ryodan when he changed his prophecy
Hisoka going after Kuroro when he heard about the exchange
Hisoka vs Goto
and Hisoka vs Gon is no exception..

mrsticky005
May 28, 2012, 02:22 PM
Hisoka doesn't "prepare" for an attack / opponent he just fights, Hisoka "preparing" beforehand contradicts everything we've read about him in the manga, any preparations he does are in the fight itself not before it..

Hisoka vs Kastro
Hisoka willing to take on the whole Ryodan when he changed his prophecy
Hisoka going after Kuroro when he heard about the exchange
Hisoka vs Goto
and Hisoka vs Gon is no exception..

Well I suppose that's true.

Let me put it this way. It's not like just throwing the stone along
would have tricked Hisoka. The stone throw + the shatter+ the probable
use of Zetsu was a genius move by Gon and more advanced than
what he did against Riehlvelt.

TheAmericandream
May 28, 2012, 04:26 PM
I'd argue in the 1999 version Gon stays in Heaven's Arena to continue learning about Nen and later rescue the captured Zushi, its still not a good change. But it doesn't bother me as much as Kite flashback. But I can understand how it might be worse to someone else.

mrsticky005
May 28, 2012, 04:40 PM
I'd argue in the 1999 version Gon stays in Heaven's Arena to continue learning about Nen and later rescue the captured Zushi, its still not a good change. But it doesn't bother me as much as Kite flashback. But I can understand how it might be worse to someone else.

Well I'm expecting Kite to be seen at Whale Island. Still in any case Kite flashback is a flashback. And to be honest I DON'T think it was necessary for Gon's motivation.
Though I do want to see the scene and preferably sooner than later.

The problem is then why do they leave? Basically either way you got a problem.

Kite can still be fixed is basically what I'm saying.

Refraction
May 28, 2012, 05:15 PM
The problem is then why do they leave? Basically either way you got a problem.

I can't give a truly satisfactory answer here, because I can't speak for the writers who composed that episode--but I could try offering a thought, or some justification, if it helps in any way. I'll put it in a spoiler box in case anyone's getting fed up with me and wants to talk about something else.

I'd suggest that they left because they'd finished up their training with Wing: I think that became the goalpost for them in that it was the one remaining plot point that'd been established at the beginning of the arc. The nature of the conclusions of those matches before the graduation effectively gave Wing reason to congratulate both of them together and graduate them simultaneously. Reordering the events to allow these fights to come before that creates an impression that the whole episode feels elegant in that the progress of both Gon and Killua at this stage is illustrated clearly to the audience, which makes the very next scene where Wing passes them both feel so natural. For the sake of the screenplay, reordering the events arguably makes the experience tighter; there's a sense of progression and a sense of coming full circle: Gon cleared up his earlier goal of decking Hisoka in the mug, but the earlier plot point of the training had yet to be resolved. Having Gon and Killua both pass after a victory makes that next scene that bit more logical--after all, Wing had already intimated that he was going to send them on their way at the beginning of the episode. In other words, the episode began and ended with the notion of Gon and Killua moving on--and that overarching theme for the episode--passing and graduating--is underscored by the victories of those reordered fights, underlining the progress made by both characters. If the episode's theme was Gon and Killua having surmounted all the obstacles posed by the Arena and Nen, then having them come out of the episode which represents that with victories really accentuates that they've conquered that last plot point--the difference being that the Riehlvelt and Gido plot-point was weaved together more transparently with the mastering of the basics of Nen plot point.

For me, it's a bit of fairly clever writing that tailors the events of the manga to get more out of the anime form; the anime staff were good at making each episode feel like something of an story in and of itself, and I think the reordering was sensitive to the manga and gives you that same sense of satisfaction that your average chapter of the manga does, despite its often limited page counts.

Those're my own observations, though, and everything I've said represents my own interpretation of what could be implied by the episode. I don't dispute at all that things were changed--because that that's the bottom line: they were--and if we're marking the 1999 series against the manga for 1:1 trueness I ain't going to rally to its defence, because I'd be absurd. I'd sooner run to the hills.

Diivil
May 28, 2012, 05:43 PM
I can't give a truly satisfactory answer here, because I can't speak for the writers who composed that episode--but I could try offering a thought, or some justification, if it helps in any way. I'll put it in a spoiler box in case anyone's getting fed up with me and wants to talk about something else.


Getting fed up with you? pfft how could we, I enjoy your Opinion and thought very much! Very well structured,clearly state you're goal and back it up with legit reasoning :)

futurefrog
May 28, 2012, 06:06 PM
My biggest gripe with the restructuring of the Heaven's Arena arc in the 1999 series is that it destroys Togashi's original intent with the arc and downplays the entire arcs importance. Heaven's Arena is a pivotal moment for Gon and Killua it is all about them discovering this mystical new power and for Gon it's also about earning the right to return Hisoka's badge (which he does earn in the 1999 series). The characterisation was ruined beyond repair and ultimately left some major inconsistencies and severely messed up future events. That arc was enough of a warning sign that they would not complete the entire series, it also is a great example of how Furuhashi did not care to adapt material that wasn't Kurapika centric.

I think at this point in the series run, it is absolutely ridiculous to even dispute that the 2011 series is a better representation of Togashi's original manga and original intent.

Cocoro63
May 28, 2012, 06:36 PM
You're saying that the 2011 anime follows better the manga but I'm not seeing kite at the beginning :derp
And he is very important since he is the guy that tells Gon that his father is alive

mrsticky005
May 28, 2012, 06:40 PM
I can't give a truly satisfactory answer here, because I can't speak for the writers who composed that episode--but I could try offering a thought, or some justification, if it helps in any way. I'll put it in a spoiler box in case anyone's getting fed up with me and wants to talk about something else.

I'd suggest that they left because they'd finished up their training with Wing: I think that became the goalpost for them in that it was the one remaining plot point that'd been established at the beginning of the arc. The nature of the conclusions of those matches before the graduation effectively gave Wing reason to congratulate both of them together and graduate them simultaneously. Reordering the events to allow these fights to come before that creates an impression that the whole episode feels elegant in that the progress of both Gon and Killua at this stage is illustrated clearly to the audience, which makes the very next scene where Wing passes them both feel so natural. For the sake of the screenplay, reordering the events arguably makes the experience tighter; there's a sense of progression and a sense of coming full circle: Gon cleared up his earlier goal of decking Hisoka in the mug, but the earlier plot point of the training had yet to be resolved. Having Gon and Killua both pass after a victory makes that next scene that bit more logical--after all, Wing had already intimated that he was going to send them on their way at the beginning of the episode. In other words, the episode began and ended with the notion of Gon and Killua moving on--and that overarching theme for the episode--passing and graduating--is underscored by the victories of those reordered fights, underlining the progress made by both characters. If the episode's theme was Gon and Killua having surmounted all the obstacles posed by the Arena and Nen, then having them come out of the episode which represents that with victories really accentuates that they've conquered that last plot point--the difference being that the Riehlvelt and Gido plot-point was weaved together more transparently with the mastering of the basics of Nen plot point.

For me, it's a bit of fairly clever writing that tailors the events of the manga to get more out of the anime form; the anime staff were good at making each episode feel like something of an story in and of itself, and I think the reordering was sensitive to the manga and gives you that same sense of satisfaction that your average chapter of the manga does, despite its often limited page counts.

Those're my own observations, though, and everything I've said represents my own interpretation of what could be implied by the episode. I don't dispute at all that things were changed--because that that's the bottom line: they were--and if we're marking the 1999 series against the manga for 1:1 trueness I ain't going to rally to its defence, because I'd be absurd. I'd sooner run to the hills.

Well I suppose that's one way of looking at it.
But as you said...it's changed and well that's
pretty much what bothers me. But it's like
if people like the manga...why give them
a different anime?

And for those who think I'm picking on the 1999 series.
I'm really not. I've picked on the 2011 series too when
it doesn't follow the manga. I would say sometimes
I'm even HARSHER on the 2011 series because I do
have great expectations for it. As for stuff like Kite not
being the first episode. It annoyed me for sure.
But I'm just waiting to see what they do. Maybe
it will work out fine and maybe it won't. Whereas
in the 1999 I know for a fact that there won't ever
be stuff like Hisoka vs Kastro. I can't really have hope for it.
And in spite of not having Kite the 2011 has managed to
stay truer to Gon's manga characterization than the 1999
which did have Kite's scene early of from the first episode.

I think in a sense what bothers me about the 1999 version
is the intent. I don't believe that the director was trying
to tell Togashi's story and that bothers me.

I DO think the 2011 is trying to tell Togashi's story
but I think they have trouble doing so at times
because of certain restrictions. Mainly censorship.
As much as I may have complained about it before,
I have to give Madhouse credit for trying to work
around the censorship as well as they do. That can't be easy.

Now I don't hate the 1999. I do like it.
But while may like it because of the filler/changes.
I like it in SPITE of the filler/changes.

futurefrog
May 28, 2012, 06:54 PM
You're saying that the 2011 anime follows better the manga but I'm not seeing kite at the beginning :derp
And he is very important since he is the guy that tells Gon that his father is alive

As has been said multiple times now, Madhouse made the decision to relocate his introduction as to make his first appearance and reappearance after Greed Island closer together, also because they wanted to give Gon's past and Ging more mystery for new viewers. I look at it as like how One Piece relocated the Shanks back story. Relocating Kite is in no way at all on the same level as rearranging the events of Heaven's Arena, because we know we will be getting the Kite backstory soon, Heaven's Arena being rearranged fucked up future events, relocating a flashback does not do that.

mrsticky005
May 28, 2012, 06:54 PM
You're saying that the 2011 anime follows better the manga but I'm not seeing kite at the beginning :derp
And he is very important since he is the guy that tells Gon that his father is alive

True. But the scene is a flashback. They literally could put it in the next episode and there you go (well sorta.)

They've already established that Gon wants to meet his dad and become a Hunter in the very first episode.
So we've already got the characterization for Gon and his motives and what not. We just have that mystery.

Who told him about his Dad? Obviously Aunt Mito didn't tell him. We know the story with Killua, Kurapika, and Leorio

Killua ran away from home so he could decide his own fate.
Kurapika is out for revenge.
Leorio is a wannabe philantropist.

But what about Gon?

He wants to meet his dad. Not so much out of wanting a reunion...But because if there is something worth abandoning your own kid for...Gon wants in.

Has anyone noticed how when Gon met Ging....He never asked him "Why did you abandon me?" Sure Ging sorta told him through the tape.
But still. You'd think that would be the one question dwelling on Gon's mind. But Gon didn't seem to care about any of that.
Gon seems much more interested in meeting Kite's teacher, or meeting one of the creator's of Greed Island, one of the top 5 nen users
in the world, or meeting the guy who was the only winner of the Hunter Exam in his year than he does seem to care about meeting his own dad.

Crude
May 28, 2012, 07:45 PM
^ True that. Gon seems a lot more interested in meeting Ging the person, who at the same time happens to be his father.

mrsticky005
May 28, 2012, 09:43 PM
^ True that. Gon seems a lot more interested in meeting Ging the person, who at the same time happens to be his father.

In contrast take Naruto's "reunion" with his dead dad Minato.
What was one of the first things Naruto does? He punches his dad
and asks how his own dad could put the Nine Tails was put inside him
and cause him so much misery and grief.

This is what a normal person does.
In fact I wouldn't blame Naruto if he hated Minato.


But Gon is NOTHING like this.

Gon seems to not give a crap about family except for maybe Aunt Mito.

But I think this scene speaks volumes about Gon's character and
actually I think the last part from the Viz Translation is omitted in
the adaptations (and the translation).

I'll tell the Viz translation after

http://pic.tenmanga.com/comics/16378/153074/6dbacade3fe737b6211eb002353b621f.jpg

Well aside from being an incredibly clumsily worded translation it's missing something
(either that or Viz added something)

Here is how the Viz version goes

"Being a hunter must be an important job. So important...that family comes second."

Now check this part out. This is what Gon says to Aunt Mito that upsets her

"Being a hunter, isn't for weaklings, Aunt Mito."

Does anyone else realize what Gon is saying here?

No wonder Mito got upset! That's a pretty cruel thing to say! Assuming it wasn't added...
Does anyone know if Viz added that line in or what? Though I don't think they did because
it matches up with the rest of Gon's behavior.

Another thing strange about Gon.

As a little kid he rescues Kon the Foxbear Cub from a Hunter (named Kite) who killed
the mother Foxbear Cub to save Gon. Gon decides to protect Kon and raise it in place
of it's deceased mother. Now this isn't the strange part. One could look it as Gon
didn't want the cub to die for his own mistake. Which makes sense.

HOWEVER.

3 years later. It's clear that Gon and Kon are best friends.
But then Gon applies to the Hunter Exam and since Hunters
and animals of the forest don't get along (Just look at the example
with Kite) Gon basically tells Kon to get lost. In a nice way. But still.
It doesn't matter they been friends for 3 years. The Hunter Exam
is more important than their friendship and so is Kon's title
as king of the forest.

But of course this is just some silly bear/boy friendship story.
Of course it can't last forever. It's time for Gon to grow up, right?
There's no parallels to anything recent....Or is there :mono

Chapter 338

Gon and Killua's separation.

Naruto vs Sasuke has got NOTHING on the magnitude of HxH Chapter 338.
As much as I like Naruto, let's be honest. The whole "friendship" between
Naruto and Sasuke is really plot device. Comrades yes. But best friends? :no
Yet Gon and Killua are at least on a surface level best friends in fact some
may think they are even lovers. The connection between them is unmistakable.

But now they are separating.

Why?

Because Gon wants to talk to Ging in private more than he wants to hang out with Killua

and Killua is busy taking care of Alluka.

This may be rather controversial of me to say but I sincerely think...

That Gon Freecss is the BEST WRITTEN SHONEN PROTAGONIST...EVER.

Now you may like others more. But Gon is written better.

Netero
May 28, 2012, 10:34 PM
^I agree with you 100% I've had conversations with friends multiple times saying I personally believe Gon is the best written shonen protagonist too. Of course this is just my opinion, and not everyone will agree.

futurefrog
May 28, 2012, 11:45 PM
I agree with you 100% MrSticky.

I think an interesting part of Hunter x Hunter is that there is many times when these characters need to go there separate ways. Because after all isn't that a part of growing up? Leaving behind the past, however many memories that may hold. Knowing when it's time to move on is a sign of maturity. I truly believe Hunter x Hunter to be one of the greatest coming of age stories ever told. It's all about losing innocence and learning that growing up means accepting that the older we get, the more we lose and the harsher the world becomes. It's sad, but it's ultimately true. Gon and Killua's separation is absolutely monumental because it marks a turning point for Gon, he doesn't need Killua anymore. He doesn't need anyone but himself. He beat Genthru all alone and heck he beat Pitou all alone, he doesn't need anyone, he is strong, right? No this is wrong. I think the first half of Hunter x Hunter is about Gon becoming strong enough to be alone, strong enough to not need anyone. I believe the second half which we are now seeing will be about Gon learning that he really does need people, and that no matter how old or strong you get, we always need friends and we always need connection. Gon has severed most connections and seems to want to 'go it alone' much like his father, will Gon head down the same path as Ging or will he decide upon another? We will have to wait and see.

mrsticky005
May 29, 2012, 01:05 AM
^I agree with you 100% I've had conversations with friends multiple times saying I personally believe Gon is the best written shonen protagonist too. Of course this is just my opinion, and not everyone will agree.

Sure it's an opinion. But I think there is good evidence for it. Namely, the subtle but yet
enormous amount of depth Togashi puts into Gon. Gon on the surface level is the ideal
shonen protagonist but in depth he's so much more.

Some shonen protagonists aren't even that great on a surface level. And most if they
have any depth of character it is rather forced. Also a lot of times people can read
into a character too much. Which may be the case here. But there's something
about Gon that makes him stand out from the crowd. Really I think Gon is more in
line with characters like "Pip" from "Great Expectations" and other coming of age stories
than he is to characters like Luffy, Ichigo, or Naruto. It's not that those 3 are bad
characters. Surely they are likable...Well Luffy and Naruto at least.

Despite being a Bleach fan, Ichigo hasn't exactly won me over. He needs to stop being such a wuss
when things don't go his way. But that's that. However I wouldn't say any of the
3 of them are really that amazingly written. Ichigo is flat (some think that this might
be intentional so Ichigo can act as a reader avatar. Which is alright but at the
same time kind of dull) and it's really thanks to the villains that Bleach remains
interesting if at all (I like it still.)

Naruto is kinda all over the place and has his
good and bad days. Sometimes he can be really bad ass. Sometimes he can
be inspiring. And sometimes it's just like Kishi...what are you doing? Though
perhaps the problem with Naruto is at they say. A hero is only as interesting
as the villain and while Naruto has potentially awesome villains it seems like
they are always getting discarded for the sake of the plot. Naruto is very
dynamic but it doesn't seem very organized Bleach is the opposite.
The story is rather character based but it doesn't seem like Kubo has much
direction going on. It seems like characters just run around and fight and then
somehow they stumble into a story. I mean it makes for some interesting
interactions. But I have to wonder if even Kubo knows where he's going
with the story.

Then there's Luffy. Luffy is the most difficult to comment on
because he's not really meant to be complex in the first place. He's Goku 2.0.
He eats a lot, never gains weight, isn't very smart, kicks ass and is a kid at heart.
That's really all you need to know about Luffy. Luffy is for all intents and purposes
a flat character. But if he wasn't I don't think One Piece would work as well.
The point of Luffy is that he doesn't change. No matter what. That's not to
say he has zero development but rather that at the end of the day we all
know he's going to be the same ol Luffy. It works but it's not particularly daring.
Gon on the other hand is dynamic but yet iconic, bad ass, has great depth without it seeming like the author is force feeding that "depth" to you. He is the ideal
shonen protagonist and yet a complete deconstruction of the trope at the same time.

Here's the thing...

With Ichigo I'm not sure where he is headed as a character because
I'm not sure if Kubo is sure himself. But so far the destination seems like: Nowhere.

With Naruto I think he will end up as a solid good character but it will
be a bumpy ride. I think the good will (hopefully) outweigh the bad.
He will probably not change much anymore as he's already gone
plenty of development already. It's just a matter of stabilizing the character.

With Luffy he will remain as Luffy no matter the situation.
The only thing that will much change him is 1. his power level
2. his bank account 3. the number of friends/allies/enemies he has

With Gon...

I don't know what he will become because he could become almost anything
He has the potential to be a villain. But also the potential to be a hero.
He could end up as a tragic character or as a character of great inspiration.
No thing is for sure. I think it will be a while before Togashi ceases to amaze
and entertain with Hunter x Hunter.

---------- Post added at 12:05 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:02 AM ----------


^I agree with you 100% I've had conversations with friends multiple times saying I personally believe Gon is the best written shonen protagonist too. Of course this is just my opinion, and not everyone will agree.


I agree with you 100% MrSticky.

I think an interesting part of Hunter x Hunter is that there is many times when these characters need to go there separate ways. Because after all isn't that a part of growing up? Leaving behind the past, however many memories that may hold. Knowing when it's time to move on is a sign of maturity. I truly believe Hunter x Hunter to be one of the greatest coming of age stories ever told. It's all about losing innocence and learning that growing up means accepting that the older we get, the more we lose and the harsher the world becomes. It's sad, but it's ultimately true. Gon and Killua's separation is absolutely monumental because it marks a turning point for Gon, he doesn't need Killua anymore. He doesn't need anyone but himself. He beat Genthru all alone and heck he beat Pitou all alone, he doesn't need anyone, he is strong, right? No this is wrong. I think the first half of Hunter x Hunter is about Gon becoming strong enough to be alone, strong enough to not need anyone. I believe the second half which we are now seeing will be about Gon learning that he really does need people, and that no matter how old or strong you get, we always need friends and we always need connection. Gon has severed most connections and seems to want to 'go it alone' much like his father, will Gon head down the same path as Ging or will he decide upon another? We will have to wait and see.


That would be an interesting development. I wonder if Ging would learn the lesson too?



Also I was thinking for Kite Flashback....What if we got filler of basically just Gon and Kite hanging out? How long was Kite at Whale Island?
For a character that is pivotal to Gon's characterization in the Chimera Ant Arc it sure seems like Gon and Kite hardly even know each other.

futurefrog
May 29, 2012, 01:32 AM
With Gon...

I don't know what he will become because he could become almost anything
He has the potential to be a villain. But also the potential to be a hero.
He could end up as a tragic character or as a character of great inspiration.
No thing is for sure. I think it will be a while before Togashi ceases to amaze
and entertain with Hunter x Hunter.

I personally believe this is the main point of Gon's characterisation, at his age, this fragile age, he can be anything or anyone. He can be corrupted and go the path of Gyro or he can grow up to be a good man. Childhood is a time of great influence, we see all of the characters Gon interacts with influences who he is, who will this young boy grow up to be? That is the exciting thing about this excellent coming of age story.

Demonspeed
May 29, 2012, 04:55 AM
With Gon...

I don't know what he will become because he could become almost anything
He has the potential to be a villain. But also the potential to be a hero.
He could end up as a tragic character or as a character of great inspiration.
No thing is for sure.



I agree with you. For me Gon has the potential to be the darkest character in the manga. And many characters think that he is inhuman(Hisoka,Zepile,Meleoron).

It's one of the reason why i really want to see his encounter with Jairo because Gon could really change a lot!
http://pic.tenmanga.com/comics/16378/153401/c96af0661b844eacad759c2acf9e1486.jpg
Togashi... I am waiting for you!!

Beans
May 29, 2012, 07:08 AM
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP43part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0106_20120522_133512.png

I only wanna know why was Rehlevlt using his scooter all the time in the old version.

futurefrog
May 29, 2012, 08:49 AM
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP43part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0106_20120522_133512.png

I only wanna know why was Rehlevlt using his scooter all the time in the old version.

Obviously because it's so friggen cool!

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111226053148/hunterxhunter/images/thumb/e/e0/Riehlvelt_nen.png/500px-Riehlvelt_nen.png

Oh wait...

SHINOBI-03
May 29, 2012, 08:59 AM
Obviously because it's so friggen cool!


Cooler than MONSTER WHEELCHAIR?!

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-29480pmkv_snapshot_1727_20120429_235107-Copy.jpg

thatguy3331
May 29, 2012, 10:22 AM
I have to agree that Gon probably is one of the best written in shounen heroes, I mean Edward Elric, shall I dare say, ain't got jack shit on Gon.

With most shounen heroes, its about over comming the dark side and coming out on top wether it be bitter or sweet. Hell even with some villan protaonists, like say... light yagami, from what I can tell is simply one of those examples where the dark side took over him and he failed at it.:derp

The thing with Gon is that he's ambiguous. He's a gennerally nice person but really. Xellos. However he's not at all Evil. He's on normal occasions a childish ass, but at worse can be a anger driven monster who cares only to crush whatever's pissing him off. Its almost like a baby when they're in a tantrum. The thing is though is that Gon ultimatly dosn't know exactly where he stands and is pretty much just fluttering about like a leaf in the wind.

heron bpv
May 29, 2012, 11:47 AM
^And maybe that's why we like him so much (even if he is not your favorite in the series), somehow he seems human =]

shareme
May 29, 2012, 12:41 PM
Here is how the Viz version goes

"Being a hunter must be an important job. So important...that family comes second."

Now check this part out. This is what Gon says to Aunt Mito that upsets her

"Being a hunter, isn't for weaklings, Aunt Mito."

Does anyone else realize what Gon is saying here?

No wonder Mito got upset! That's a pretty cruel thing to say! Assuming it wasn't added...
Does anyone know if Viz added that line in or what? Though I don't think they did because
it matches up with the rest of Gon's behavior.

I would like to know this too. Anyone can confirm this?


3 years later. It's clear that Gon and Kon are best friends.
But then Gon applies to the Hunter Exam and since Hunters
and animals of the forest don't get along (Just look at the example
with Kite) Gon basically tells Kon to get lost. In a nice way. But still.
It doesn't matter they been friends for 3 years. The Hunter Exam
is more important than their friendship and so is Kon's title
as king of the forest.

But of course this is just some silly bear/boy friendship story.
Of course it can't last forever. It's time for Gon to grow up, right?
There's no parallels to anything recent....Or is there :mono

Of course the Hunter exam is more important for Gon but the way you worded it, you're saying that Gon was not sad and hurt to end his friendship to Kon. The last two panels says otherwise:
http://pic.tenmanga.com/comics/16378/153074/95c25637101a0c978afbd5b0c3139e7c.jpg

It looks to me he's running away from the pain instead of running back home.

Gon knows it will be complicated for both of them if they remain friends and continue to see each other since "hunters", by virtue of their work, are animals' enemies. Being the "lord of the forest", Kon will be in a difficult situation - he might lost his status and endanger his family - if he persist to remain friends with a "hunter". Kon acknowledged what Gon is saying and left... but not before saying "good bye (forever)" to the Gon-the-kid-who-raised-him-and-became-his-friend because the next time they'll see him, it will be Gon-the-hunter who'll come back.

Why do you think Kon never shows his face to Gon again?


Gon and Killua's separation.

Naruto vs Sasuke has got NOTHING on the magnitude of HxH Chapter 338.
As much as I like Naruto, let's be honest. The whole "friendship" between
Naruto and Sasuke is really plot device. Comrades yes. But best friends? :no
Yet Gon and Killua are at least on a surface level best friends in fact some
may think they are even lovers. The connection between them is unmistakable.

It amused me when you compare Naruto-Sasuke's "friendship" to Gon-Killua's. Are you hinting something there since most Naruto fans think Naruto's gay for Sasuke? :cheez


But now they are separating.

Why?

Because Gon wants to talk to Ging in private more than he wants to hang out with Killua

and Killua is busy taking care of Alluka.

These panels disagree with you:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s113/shiroi_ue/hxh-wontletgo.jpg

The red rectangle part sounds to me like if Killua doesn't hurry up and leave soon, Gon won't be able to let him go.

Even Alluka knows they're full of shit. Check out their faces on the last panel. It's at odds to the cheeriness of their goodbye:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s113/shiroi_ue/hxh-fullofshit.jpg


With Gon...

I don't know what he will become because he could become almost anything
He has the potential to be a villain. But also the potential to be a hero.
He could end up as a tragic character or as a character of great inspiration.
No thing is for sure. I think it will be a while before Togashi ceases to amaze
and entertain with Hunter x Hunter.


The thing with Gon is that he's ambiguous. He's a gennerally nice person but really. Xellos. However he's not at all Evil. He's on normal occasions a childish ass, but at worse can be a anger driven monster who cares only to crush whatever's pissing him off. Its almost like a baby when they're in a tantrum. The thing is though is that Gon ultimatly dosn't know exactly where he stands and is pretty much just fluttering about like a leaf in the wind.

Gon is a True Neutral (http://easydamus.com/trueneutral.html). The "wild cards (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Analysis/TrueNeutral)" characters fall on this alignment.

Demonspeed
May 29, 2012, 01:09 PM
^Variant 3 i think

Netero
May 29, 2012, 01:53 PM
I would like to know this too. Anyone can confirm this?


Right from the viz digital volumes.

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc389/NJZanDatsuX/Chapter11.png
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc389/NJZanDatsuX/Chapter12.png

Salce
May 29, 2012, 03:03 PM
Right from the viz digital volumes.

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc389/NJZanDatsuX/Chapter11.png
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc389/NJZanDatsuX/Chapter12.png
I think shareme wanted to know if Gon actually says that in the manga, or if it's a line added by Viz.

chei
May 29, 2012, 04:01 PM
Obviously because it's so friggen cool!

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111226053148/hunterxhunter/images/thumb/e/e0/Riehlvelt_nen.png/500px-Riehlvelt_nen.png

Oh wait...

Lol the changes the 1999 series did for these guys are quite simply...retarded. Not to mention how they ruined the flow of the storytelling.

I finally saw the new episode, it's great, this is where Killua started to become so lovable for me. The way he's so protective for Gon, it's like he's willing to burden all the dirt and nasty stuff to keep Gon pure and focused. When that's ruined, oh Killua...

The music direction didn't stand out to me at all as I'm concentrated to the story, so nothing is 'jarring' or out of place for me, so I didn't get what the big deal according to the big discussion couple pages earlier.

mrsticky005
May 29, 2012, 04:07 PM
I personally believe this is the main point of Gon's characterisation, at his age, this fragile age, he can be anything or anyone. He can be corrupted and go the path of Gyro or he can grow up to be a good man. Childhood is a time of great influence, we see all of the characters Gon interacts with influences who he is, who will this young boy grow up to be? That is the exciting thing about this excellent coming of age story.

And of course you got Killua as a parallel.

Kurapika seems like he might have gone off the deep end.

And I'm wondering about Leorio. Leorio has the biggest heart of them all. But I'm afraid that he may grow indifferent to his actual dream and become
the money grubbing pig that he pretended that he wanted to be.


I agree with you. For me Gon has the potential to be the darkest character in the manga. And many characters think that he is inhuman(Hisoka,Zepile,Meleoron).

It's one of the reason why i really want to see his encounter with Jairo because Gon could really change a lot!
http://pic.tenmanga.com/comics/16378/153401/c96af0661b844eacad759c2acf9e1486.jpg
Togashi... I am waiting for you!!

that meeting should be the deciding point of who Gon will become


http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP43part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0106_20120522_133512.png

I only wanna know why was Rehlevlt using his scooter all the time in the old version.

to carry his grocceries


Obviously because it's so friggen cool!



http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111226053148/hunterxhunter/images/thumb/e/e0/Riehlvelt_nen.png/500px-Riehlvelt_nen.png

Oh wait...

he's having so much fun



Cooler than MONSTER WHEELCHAIR?!

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-29480pmkv_snapshot_1727_20120429_235107-Copy.jpg

he brakes for nobody


I have to agree that Gon probably is one of the best written in shounen heroes, I mean Edward Elric, shall I dare say, ain't got jack shit on Gon.

With most shounen heroes, its about over comming the dark side and coming out on top wether it be bitter or sweet. Hell even with some villan protaonists, like say... light yagami, from what I can tell is simply one of those examples where the dark side took over him and he failed at it.:derp

The thing with Gon is that he's ambiguous. He's a gennerally nice person but really. Xellos. However he's not at all Evil. He's on normal occasions a childish ass, but at worse can be a anger driven monster who cares only to crush whatever's pissing him off. Its almost like a baby when they're in a tantrum. The thing is though is that Gon ultimatly dosn't know exactly where he stands and is pretty much just fluttering about like a leaf in the wind.

Never watched/read FMA. Any good?

Light I think although a great character tends to be a little overrated.
Put it this way...Volumes 5 and 6 when Light was "good" are incredibly boring.
Light is only interesting because of what he is doing not so much for who he is.
On the other hand take Gon. Thinking about it, watching someone fish...is dull.
But Gon makes it interesting because of what he is thinking, how he acts, etc.

Yeah I wouldn't call Gon evil. However I think he's walking a fine line.





^And maybe that's why we like him so much (even if he is not your favorite in the series), somehow he seems human =]

and sometimes he doesn't seem human at all :3c


I would like to know this too. Anyone can confirm this?



Of course the Hunter exam is more important for Gon but the way you worded it, you're saying that Gon was not sad and hurt to end his friendship to Kon. The last two panels says otherwise:
http://pic.tenmanga.com/comics/16378/153074/95c25637101a0c978afbd5b0c3139e7c.jpg

Oh I don't think Gon wasn't sad or hurt about it. Not at all.
I'm saying that friendship is clearly secondary to his ambition.
I don't mean that in a Gon doesn't care way. But that it just
shows how important the hunter exam is to Gon.


It looks to me he's running away from the pain instead of running back home.

Could be. Again I don't think he's not sad.

Gon knows it will be complicated for both of them if they remain friends and continue to see each other since "hunters", by virtue of their work, are animals' enemies. Being the "lord of the forest", Kon will be in a difficult situation - he might lost his status and endanger his family - if he persist to remain friends with a "hunter". Kon acknowledged what Gon is saying and left... but not before saying "good bye (forever)" to the Gon-the-kid-who-raised-him-and-became-his-friend because the next time they'll see him, it will be Gon-the-hunter who'll come back.

Why do you think Kon never shows his face to Gon again?

Yes I know. I understand this.

It amused me when you compare Naruto-Sasuke's "friendship" to Gon-Killua's. Are you hinting something there since most Naruto fans think Naruto's gay for Sasuke? :cheez

Not hinting anything. Just saying there are people who think that.
You can view the characters a lot of different ways is what I'm saying.

These panels disagree with you:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s113/shiroi_ue/hxh-wontletgo.jpg

The red rectangle part sounds to me like if Killua doesn't hurry up and leave soon, Gon won't be able to let him go.

Heh. Actually those panels are agreeing with me. Why? Actions speak louder than
words. Again, I'm NOT saying Gon DOES NOT want to hang out with Killua. OF COURSE
HE DOES. But he clearly wants to talk to Ging MORE. How do I know? Because
that's what he does. Gon clearly cherishes the friendship. But right now it's an
obstacle to his goal.

Even Alluka knows they're full of shit. Check out their faces on the last panel. It's at odds to the cheeriness of their goodbye:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s113/shiroi_ue/hxh-fullofshit.jpg


Yeah but like I said. I'm not trying to suggest Gon doesn't care about his
friendships with Kon or Killua. Obviously he values them very highly.
But meeting Ging is MORE important than friendship or family to Gon.

and yet, I don't see the story as "Gon looking for his father" but rather
"Gon looking for Ging who happens to be his father". It's the persuit that matters.

Gon is a True Neutral (http://easydamus.com/trueneutral.html). The "wild cards (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Analysis/TrueNeutral)" characters fall on this alignment.





I think shareme wanted to know if Gon actually says that in the manga, or if it's a line added by Viz.

this

Crude
May 29, 2012, 05:43 PM
What I want to know is how Rievehlt can go through doors with big monster truck wheels on his weelchair... :blink

Pokymonn
May 29, 2012, 05:58 PM
What I want to know is how Rievehlt can go through doors with big monster truck wheels on his weelchair... :blink

Probably he sleeps in the hall and takes the lift when he wants to go to other floors.

futurefrog
May 29, 2012, 06:20 PM
Rievehlt just smashes down walls, screw doors, hes got a monster wheel chair!

fanatik
May 30, 2012, 03:51 AM
I would like to know this too. Anyone can confirm this?
http://s7.postimage.org/61g4a0hqv/HUNTER01_0032.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/61g4a0hqv/)
It says: 子供を捨ててでも続けたいと思う仕事なんだね。ハンターってそれだけすごい仕事なんだね。
The closest translation I can come up with without making it sound completely non-English would be this: Being a hunter is a job that you want to continue doing even if it means abandoning your kid. Being a hunter must be that amazing.


Gon is a True Neutral (http://easydamus.com/trueneutral.html). The "wild cards (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Analysis/TrueNeutral)" characters fall on this alignment.Somehow, I always thought he would be Chaotic Good... though, I'm not sure I fully understand the alignment system if Gilgamesh is listed as Chaotic Good... I would think Gon is no worse than Gil...

mrsticky005
May 30, 2012, 06:44 PM
http://s7.postimage.org/61g4a0hqv/HUNTER01_0032.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/61g4a0hqv/)
It says: 子供を捨ててでも続けたいと思う仕事なんだね。ハンターってそれだけすごい仕事なんだね。
The closest translation I can come up with without making it sound completely non-English would be this: Being a hunter is a job that you want to continue doing even if it means abandoning your kid. Being a hunter must be that amazing.

Somehow, I always thought he would be Chaotic Good... though, I'm not sure I fully understand the alignment system if Gilgamesh is listed as Chaotic Good... I would think Gon is no worse than Gil...

So then I guess Viz did add the part in about "being a hunter isn't for weaklings"?

Unless Viz just got a different version (is that raw from Jump or the Volumes?)

And that's the translation for the whole page, right?

futurefrog
May 30, 2012, 09:09 PM
Viz's version of the line seems to be more along the lines of Gon thinking that being a Hunter means being strong, strong enough to leave your family behind. It's a bit of a different message but not one in-congruent with the themes of the series.

xScar
May 30, 2012, 10:45 PM
I doubt there's a different version of this page. My TEASURE v1 has this same on.

And yes, that's the whole page TL for Gon:
Top left: Being a Hunter is a job that you want to continue doing even if it means abandoning your kid.
Bottom right: Being a Hunter... / must be that amazing.

It's just a liberal TL. It's not surprising. I don't think it's really out of character or the themes of the series either, so it really doesn't matter...

fanatik
May 30, 2012, 11:50 PM
Unless Viz just got a different version (is that raw from Jump or the Volumes?)

And that's the translation for the whole page, right?This page is from the volume raw. And yep, it's the whole page translation:^_^


Viz's version of the line seems to be more along the lines of Gon thinking that being a Hunter means being strong, strong enough to leave your family behind. It's a bit of a different message but not one in-congruent with the themes of the series.I know you like Viz's translation of HxH, and, of course, you're free to like what you like, but I, for one, am not really a fan of it. Stylistic concerns aside, one of the reasons I'm not particularily fond of it is that they tend to change stuff in places where I personally just don't see the need to do that. Gon's line is one example. As a result, nuances get lost, sometimes it even messes things up a little... Of course, a good chunk of nuances will be lost in translation anyway, simply because of the fact that it is a translation and not the original text in its original language, but there are cases where they could've kept them but hadn't.

Off the top of my head, the way they handled the term 'Danchou'. I remember it because of many eyerolls it caused me. They simply substituted it with his given name. OK, one way to handle it, except the Ryodan members never use his name, and one time they do (Nobunaga, in particular) the contrast it creates is quite important. Their using it left and right adds a level of familiarity absent in the original. This, for example, causes the scene with Nobunaga objecting Kuroro's order to lose some of its grave implications. The phrase was something like this, 'Hontou ni sorya Danchou toshite no meirei ka, Kuroro yo.' Kuroro's name is used by one of his subjects for the first time, and it is Nobunaga's way not to simply express his doubt in his leader's orders, but to outright defy Kuroro as the leader. Just by using his name, changing that level of familiarity, Nobunaga made it clear that in his eyes Kuroro is stripped of his leader status, degraded to a simple man with no authority over Nobunaga's actions and with no immunities to being attacked if it really comes down to that. In the English version, the previous constant use of Kuroro's given name renders it impossible to grasp those implications in this scene.

Not to mention it drove the translator into a self-created hole in Kuroro's conversation with Neon when she comments how odd his name sounds, and he says to her that his comrades usually call him 'Danchou' instead of his name, to which she replies that's even weirder. Yeah, yeah, I know they found a way out by completely altering the line and having him say, 'My friends seem to like it though' or something like that, but was there any sort of need to drive themselves into that metaphorical hole in the first place? Why not just use 'boss' from the beginning as the most natural and easiest way of translating the word 'Danchou' and avoid all that convulsive dance around a simple thing like this completely?

Another thing I remember is when Kuroro calls his gang after his fight with the two Zoldycks. In Viz's version he says, 'Forget the ambulance'. In the Japanese it was, 'Kyuukyuusha wo osou na' - 'Don't attack the ambulance'. His order outright forbade the rest of his gang to touch that ambulance carrying Neon, and it's an important detail because of what Kuroro's conditions for use of the stolen abilities are: the original owner must remain alive. The ambulance must not be attacked. So the question is, why change a simple direct translation, nevertheless loaded with importance, to something that disregards that importance when there's no need? I just can't agree with that.

So in the end, I never really bought the entire Viz's version, having only a few of their volumes which I hardly ever touch, preferring to just stick with Japanese editions and collect them instead.

In all likelihood, what I said isn't going to change your mind, and I'm fine with that, but let's just say that when I want to check something, find an argument or refresh a particular scene in memory, I take my japanese volumes and never Viz's.

mrsticky005
May 31, 2012, 04:02 AM
Well just for the record I'm fine with the added line and all of Viz's translation in HxH in general.
I ain't gonna lie. I don't understand Japanese so for all I know ALL of Viz's translation is incorrect.
However even so the Viz translation does what I think is the most crucial element of translation:
It's understandable. Reading the volumes is actually enjoyable and not a task.
Sorry, I know scanlators are doing a free service and all (which I'm thankful for) and they may
even be more accurate in the translation (not that I would know though) but when it
comes down to clarity Viz wins hands down. Perhaps at the cost of a more liberal translation.
But honestly that's a sacrifice I'm more than willing to make.

So why did I ask...
Well because the line stood out to me and when I checked the scans it wasn't there.
So I wondered did the scans leave it out or did Viz add it in? Looks like this time the
scans were more accurate. But again, I still prefer Viz. I mean I did pay for it. :P

Besides...It's an awesome line. Added or not.

---------- Post added at 03:02 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:45 AM ----------


This page is from the volume raw. And yep, it's the whole page translation:^_^

I know you like Viz's translation of HxH, and, of course, you're free to like what you like, but I, for one, am not really a fan of it. Stylistic concerns aside, one of the reasons I'm not particularily fond of it is that they tend to change stuff in places where I personally just don't see the need to do that. Gon's line is one example. As a result, nuances get lost, sometimes it even messes things up a little... Of course, a good chunk of nuances will be lost in translation anyway, simply because of the fact that it is a translation and not the original text in its original language, but there are cases where they could've kept them but hadn't.

Off the top of my head, the way they handled the term 'Danchou'. I remember it because of many eyerolls it caused me. They simply substituted it with his given name. OK, one way to handle it, except the Ryodan members never use his name, and one time they do (Nobunaga, in particular) the contrast it creates is quite important. Their using it left and right adds a level of familiarity absent in the original. This, for example, causes the scene with Nobunaga objecting Kuroro's order to lose some of its grave implications. The phrase was something like this, 'Hontou ni sorya Danchou toshite no meirei ka, Kuroro yo.' Kuroro's name is used by one of his subjects for the first time, and it is Nobunaga's way not to simply express his doubt in his leader's orders, but to outright defy Kuroro as the leader. Just by using his name, changing that level of familiarity, Nobunaga made it clear that in his eyes Kuroro is stripped of his leader status, degraded to a simple man with no authority over Nobunaga's actions and with no immunities to being attacked if it really comes down to that. In the English version, the previous constant use of Kuroro's given name renders it impossible to grasp those implications in this scene.

Not to mention it drove the translator into a self-created hole in Kuroro's conversation with Neon when she comments how odd his name sounds, and he says to her that his comrades usually call him 'Danchou' instead of his name, to which she replies that's even weirder. Yeah, yeah, I know they found a way out by completely altering the line and having him say, 'My friends seem to like it though' or something like that, but was there any sort of need to drive themselves into that metaphorical hole in the first place? Why not just use 'boss' from the beginning as the most natural and easiest way of translating the word 'Danchou' and avoid all that convulsive dance around a simple thing like this completely?

Another thing I remember is when Kuroro calls his gang after his fight with the two Zoldycks. In Viz's version he says, 'Forget the ambulance'. In the Japanese it was, 'Kyuukyuusha wo osou na' - 'Don't attack the ambulance'. His order outright forbade the rest of his gang to touch that ambulance carrying Neon, and it's an important detail because of what Kuroro's conditions for use of the stolen abilities are: the original owner must remain alive. The ambulance must not be attacked. So the question is, why change a simple direct translation, nevertheless loaded with importance, to something that disregards that importance when there's no need? I just can't agree with that.

So in the end, I never really bought the entire Viz's version, having only a few of their volumes which I hardly ever touch, preferring to just stick with Japanese editions and collect them instead.

In all likelihood, what I said isn't going to change your mind, and I'm fine with that, but let's just say that when I want to check something, find an argument or refresh a particular scene in memory, I take my japanese volumes and never Viz's.


Interesting.

Well like I said I'm not too picky on that kind of stuff. But I do think that was a bit informative and enjoyed it.
Since I don't understand Japanese it would be kind of pointless of me to order Japanese volumes so for
me it's a bit of a convenience factor with the Viz volumes. And besides I rather not pay an arm and a leg for shipping from Japan.

Anywho thanks fanatik.

fanatik
May 31, 2012, 05:20 AM
Well just for the record I'm fine with the added line and all of Viz's translation in HxH in general.
I ain't gonna lie. I don't understand Japanese so for all I know ALL of Viz's translation is incorrect.
However even so the Viz translation does what I think is the most crucial element of translation:
It's understandable. Reading the volumes is actually enjoyable and not a task.
Sorry, I know scanlators are doing a free service and all (which I'm thankful for) and they may
even be more accurate in the translation (not that I would know though) but when it
comes down to clarity Viz wins hands down. Perhaps at the cost of a more liberal translation.
But honestly that's a sacrifice I'm more than willing to make.That's why I'm saying to each their own, and I'm cool with others liking it as long as they don't force it on me or make me buy it ;). Also, I agree that buying a book you can't read for a ripoff price (if we add high delivery costs) is at the very least impractical for most people and is hardly worth it.

I might also mention that the translation guidelines in scanlating and in the world of professional translations are very different. Clarity and readability that you mentioned are the defining rules for this type of translation in the pro world, so basically any kind of change is allowed as long as the general meaning is preserved and the translation gets the point across. However, the most competent tranlsations are those that change things as little as possible while at the same keeping the translation clear and readable. This can be a very challenging task.

As for scanlations... Yorkshin arc in particular leaves so much to be desired that I won't even mention it. :darnViz's done an almost perfect job in comparison...

shareme
May 31, 2012, 12:19 PM
@mrsticky005

As I've said, it all comes down to how you word it as it comes across that Gon discards those who've helped him without a second thought and without care. It's like I'm looking at Hisoka rather than Gon so my posts are all about his reluctance to part ways but he must since it's practical to do so.

Also according to this translator, the one who suggested that Gon need to have a "private" chat with his father is Killua (http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s113/shiroi_ue/hxh-fullofshit.jpg). Probably more excuse for Gon's benefit as one of his "goals" at the end of GI arc is to introduce Killua (http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter185/153374-6.html) as his bestfriend to Ging (http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter185/153374-7.html).


Somehow, I always thought he would be Chaotic Good... though, I'm not sure I fully understand the alignment system if Gilgamesh is listed as Chaotic Good... I would think Gon is no worse than Gil...

People who fall on Chaotic Good are those who thinks that by doing things, even if it falls on "chaotic" category, if it brings "good [of many]" afterwards then it's fine. They are the end justified the means type.



Off topic: We're talking about stuff not yet occurring on the '11 anime. No one's complaining so I guess there's no "new fan" here.

Netero
May 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
^Yeah, I think everybody here has at least watched the 1999 anime or read the manga lol.

mrsticky005
May 31, 2012, 12:57 PM
That's why I'm saying to each their own, and I'm cool with others liking it as long as they don't force it on me or make me buy it ;). Also, I agree that buying a book you can't read for a ripoff price (if we add high delivery costs) is at the very least impractical for most people and is hardly worth it.

I might also mention that the translation guidelines in scanlating and in the world of professional translations are very different. Clarity and readability that you mentioned are the defining rules for this type of translation in the pro world, so basically any kind of change is allowed as long as the general meaning is preserved and the translation gets the point across. However, the most competent tranlsations are those that change things as little as possible while at the same keeping the translation clear and readable. This can be a very challenging task.

As for scanlations... Yorkshin arc in particular leaves so much to be desired that I won't even mention it. :darnViz's done an almost perfect job in comparison...

For sure. Since you do understand Japanese I would say it makes sense for you to get the Japanese volumes.

BTW do you ever do any professional translations? Or does anybody here for that matter?
I'm kinda curious as to what the process is. I mean is it just one person translating or a group?

That's true. The best translations are a happy medium of accuracy and clarity. But of course it is rather difficult to get both.
Especially since often times there is no equivalent in one or the other language.

That's funny. With all the love it gets you'd think that be the arc scanlators do the BEST job on.




@mrsticky005

As I've said, it all comes down to how you word it as it comes across that Gon discards those who've helped him without a second thought and without care. It's like I'm looking at Hisoka rather than Gon so my posts are all about his reluctance to part ways but he must since it's practical to do so.

Also according to this translator, the one who suggested that Gon need to have a "private" chat with his father is Killua (http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s113/shiroi_ue/hxh-fullofshit.jpg). Probably more excuse for Gon's benefit as one of his "goals" at the end of GI arc is to introduce Killua (http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter185/153374-6.html) as his bestfriend to Ging (http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter185/153374-7.html).


People who fall on Chaotic Good are those who thinks that by doing things, even if it falls on "chaotic" category, if it brings "good [of many]" afterwards then it's fine. They are the end justified the means type.



Off topic: We're talking about stuff not yet occurring on the '11 anime. No one's complaining so I guess there's no "new fan" here.



Sure. But the fact still remains that Gon had that private chat with Ging over staying with Killua.
It's like how Kurapika chose to capture Chrollo over saving Gon and Killlua from the Phantom Troupe.
Of course later there was the whole hostage exchange. Now I'm not saying that Gon is bad
because he chose Ging over Killua. Just that meeting Ging is top priority for him.

leiatte
May 31, 2012, 11:30 PM
^Yeah, I think everybody here has at least watched the 1999 anime or read the manga lol.

Actually, I haven't watched the 1999 anime, or read the manga (only read the election arc) the reason, I don't really complain about all the spoilers, is surprising because I usually complain about spoilers in sections, I would be disappointed if you guys spoiled scenes far away such as the york new arc and chimera ant arc, but the manga is pretty old, and If it wasn't for this forum, and the announcement of the new anime, I probably would have read it after it finished (the hiatus's scared me off).

Also, The fact that Hunter X Hunter is constantly on Hiatus, doesn't make me in a hurry to catch up. So Hunter X Hunter is a very special case, in terms of spoilers for me, although I wouldn't want much spoilers from far away, to still keep an air of mystery surrounding the series.

So, yes I am a new fan, and the new anime has made me one.

Netero
June 01, 2012, 12:31 AM
^ Haha, okay, I didn't know you were a new fan. I just figured since nobody was complaining about spoilers, that most people here must of read or watched HxH previously lol. Well anyway it's nice to see the new anime is bringing in new fans :)

mrsticky005
June 01, 2012, 01:44 AM
Actually, I haven't watched the 1999 anime, or read the manga (only read the election arc) the reason, I don't really complain about all the spoilers, is surprising because I usually complain about spoilers in sections, I would be disappointed if you guys spoiled scenes far away such as the york new arc and chimera ant arc, but the manga is pretty old, and If it wasn't for this forum, and the announcement of the new anime, I probably would have read it after it finished (the hiatus's scared me off).

Also, The fact that Hunter X Hunter is constantly on Hiatus, doesn't make me in a hurry to catch up. So Hunter X Hunter is a very special case, in terms of spoilers for me, although I wouldn't want much spoilers from far away, to still keep an air of mystery surrounding the series.

So, yes I am a new fan, and the new anime has made me one.

first off it's awesome to hear that the new anime is bringing in new fans.

Though I'll try to be more careful with spoilers from now on. Just in case.

SHINOBI-03
June 02, 2012, 10:02 AM
I'm usually the guy who does not complain about the new series, but there's one issue I want it fixed by the time we get to Yorknew arc. And that issue is Kurapika's scarlet eyes. I don't mind the visual effects they gave him, but I'm not satisfied with the color. It's not a solid red and almost pinkish color. I really hope they'd fix this issue otherwise we will get complainers say they gave Kurapika girlish pink eyes instead or red eyes of evil. Here's my edit for the colors.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HunterXHunter-09480pmkv_snapshot_1815_20120316_191537-1.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HunterXHunter-09480pmkv_snapshot_1815_20120316_1915372.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HunterXHunter-09480pmkv_snapshot_1936_20120526_161258.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HunterXHunter-09480pmkv_snapshot_1936_20120526_1612582.jpg

there76
June 02, 2012, 11:12 AM
I'm usually the guy who does not complain about the new series, but there's one issue I want it fixed by the time we get to Yorknew arc. And that issue is Kurapika's scarlet eyes. I don't mind the visual effects they gave him, but I'm not satisfied with the color. It's not a solid red and almost pinkish color. I really hope they'd fix this issue otherwise we will get complainers say they gave Kurapika girlish pink eyes instead or red eyes of evil. Here's my edit for the colors.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HunterXHunter-09480pmkv_snapshot_1815_20120316_191537-1.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HunterXHunter-09480pmkv_snapshot_1815_20120316_1915372.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HunterXHunter-09480pmkv_snapshot_1936_20120526_161258.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HunterXHunter-09480pmkv_snapshot_1936_20120526_1612582.jpg

I don't like those changes. Solid red looks so boring. Leave it as it. It doesn't look pink at all. It's mixed with a little purple, but it doesn't look girly in anyway.

SHINOBI-03
June 02, 2012, 11:19 AM
I don't like those changes. Solid red looks so boring. Leave it as it. It doesn't look pink at all. It's mixed with a little purple, but it doesn't look girly in anyway.

How about here?
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-19480pmkv_snapshot_1418_20120212_115700-1.jpg

I know he was trying to suppress his anger, but this is where the color change stood out to me.

Beans
June 02, 2012, 12:08 PM
^ I think it would look better if it was like this :
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj549/Omar_Shady/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-04720pmkv_snapshot_0953_20111022_2301.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj549/Omar_Shady/HunterXHunter04mp4_000602935.jpg

mrsticky005
June 02, 2012, 12:08 PM
How about here?
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-19480pmkv_snapshot_1418_20120212_115700-1.jpg

I know he was trying to suppress his anger, but this is where the color change stood out to me.

I think you're forgetting about the fact that it is a brightly lit room.

It will look red in darker light.

leiatte
June 02, 2012, 01:14 PM
I think the eyes are perfect the way they are, of course there is going to be some pink in the eye, as pink is just a lighter red. also I think if you made the eyes a darker red, it would be worse, as it would stand out drastically from the rest of the anime. (besides who said pink was a girly color, anyway. I know thats what its thought of as but why?)

Any ways, the pink in the eyes adds more dynamic to it. but The eyes are still red, there is also a bit of purple.

P.S. The eyes look amazing in motion, such as clips,gifs, etc.

futurefrog
June 02, 2012, 06:05 PM
I think the eyes are perfect, they actually genuinely look beautiful, which is why people hunted them for their eyes to begin with. Their eyes look like a desirable commodity, something that was lacking from the 99 series representation of the eyes. The mystical look of the 2011 scarlet eyes is great in my opinion.

mrsticky005
June 02, 2012, 07:13 PM
I have no doubt in my mind that the scarlet eyes will look awesome in Kurapika vs Uvogin.
However I am far more concerned with Kurapika's expression. I do not feel that they captured it well enough in his fight against Majitani.
The one with Hanzo has a better expression. But I really want to see Kurapika's murderous rage face. That's more important to me than eye color.

Salce
June 02, 2012, 09:33 PM
I watched ep 34 with KeyHoleTV. Not many interesting pics to post here this week, but it was a really entertaining chapter, even in japanese without subs.

Nice background here:
http://mar.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338688787251.jpg
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/20603/hunter-x-hunter_ch58_by_no-group/3

Netero
June 02, 2012, 10:57 PM
Great episode this week. The fights were highly! entertaining, and the new BG music the played durring Killua's match was awesome!! Next week Gon vs Hisoka, and I know madhouse is going to do an amazing job with that fight.

mrsticky005
June 02, 2012, 11:08 PM
Yep the episode was great. Riehlvelt's aura boost actually seemed kinda cool rather than incredibly silly when he was driving his scooter.

---------- Post added at 10:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:02 PM ----------

I'm definitely pumped up for Hisoka vs Gon.

Especially if we're getting this kind of quality for these minor fights. :)

Netero
June 02, 2012, 11:08 PM
^Riehlvelt's aura boost looked mad cool now that it's correctly animated, and his electric twin snake whip attack (forgot the name) looked insane when it was electrocuting Killua.

Anyway... did you see the animation of Gon running at Hisoka in the preview? That shit looks AMAZING! :spaz

Diivil
June 02, 2012, 11:25 PM
I love how We get to hear Gido's Original Voice when he is thinking.! Just little details that i find Awesome !
Awsome episode!!!!!!!!! Killua jump, Rievelt Aura Burst, the BG music! everything is awsome!

mrsticky005
June 02, 2012, 11:36 PM
Thumbs up to Riehlvelt's scream when Killua catches him. LOL

leiatte
June 03, 2012, 01:08 AM
great episode, The animation was really cool, especially gone dash, killua's jump, and riehlvelt's aura dash, but when killua was about to catch rielvelt I thought the electricity looked a little off, overall the electricity was great (and its probably really tough to make close up electricity, since we don't see it much besides flashes in life.)

Gon, impressed me a lot in his fight against riehlvelt, I actually thought he was going to push those buttons up too. Cant wait till Gon fights Hisoka.

futurefrog
June 03, 2012, 02:59 AM
What absolutely brilliant episode. Gorgeous animation and great pacing. The battles were all excellently animated, I particularly enjoyed the Reihvelt fights. The ending with Hisoka accepting Gon's challenge was spine tingling, it certainly gave me chills.

I am so pumped for next episode and the preview of Gon running at Hisoka looked absolutely amazing. I can hardly wait to see that battle. The entire anime thus far has built up to this point, this is the finale of the Hunter Exam Saga, I am simply ecstatic to see this. I wholeheartedly believe that Madhouse have proven without a shadow of a doubt that this is the definitive anime of Hunter x Hunter.

Beans
June 03, 2012, 03:19 AM
This episode was GREAT!! every thing was done great. and I loved the way the animated the fights.
and it looks like Hisoka vs. Gon is going to be animated really nicely too! can't wait till next week!!

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj549/Omar_Shady/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34720pmkv_snapshot_0307_20120603_093234.jpg
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---------- Post added at 02:19 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:00 AM ----------


I watched ep 34 with KeyHoleTV. Not many interesting pics to post here this week, but it was a really entertaining chapter, even in japanese without subs.

Nice background here:
http://mar.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1338688787251.jpg
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/20603/hunter-x-hunter_ch58_by_no-group/3

The full version of this background :hee

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mrsticky005
June 03, 2012, 04:04 AM
Riehlvelt's fight was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better in the 1999 version.
I mean just look at how action packed and how awesome aura boost looks here.:teehee

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111226053148/hunterxhunter/images/thumb/e/e0/Riehlvelt_nen.png/479px-Riehlvelt_nen.png

Can't you just taste the awesome? :3c

SHINOBI-03
June 03, 2012, 04:21 AM
My turn now

First, we got an updated Heaven's Arena intro with clips from the most recent fights.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_0003_20120603_110021.png


The end of Killua's threat to Gido and Riehlvert scene didn't have the comical background from the manga.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_0601_20120603_110641.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_070.jpg


The training montage was in the manga, but no dates given
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_0625_20120603_110709.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_0702.jpg


In the manga, Gon shows Wing his rod ((Sounds dirty...!!)). In the anime he gives a hint instead.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_0710_20120603_110831.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_071.jpg


When Gido was predicting Gon's next move with the rod, it was made in the usual comical way. The anime didn't do it.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_0952_20120603_111258.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_0772.jpg


When Gon shoots his rod, it hits Gido in the manga, but bypass him in the anime.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1015_20120603_111328.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_0792.jpg


Animation Error: The blood on Gon's knuckles was not shaking along with the fist and it was obvious it was on a different layer
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1115_20120603_111445.jpg


Riehlvert's whips were modified to bite in order to zap.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1337_20120603_111826.jpg
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http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_094.jpg


Loved Killua's bored face here
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1424_20120603_111922.jpg


In the anime, Gon ripped of the tile in front of him. In the manga it was the one on his right side.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1856_20120603_112544.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_101.jpg


Hisoka's analysis to Gon's plan was visual. In the manga it was just verbal.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1927_20120603_112629.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_102.jpg


Gon did indeed used his feet to stop Riehlvert's wheels
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1939_20120603_112651.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_1032.jpg


Rielvert's whips bit him in the shoulders. In the manga they were wrapped around his neck.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1955_20120603_122505.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_1033.jpg


We find out the name of the announcer is Cocco, and Gon asks a good question!
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_2312_20120603_112956.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_2319_20120603_113010.jpg


To the next episode...
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_2143_20120603_112925.jpg


9/10


When Sadaso was leaving, he mentions how his group were looking for each other. That last part was not in the manga
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP43part2-YouTubewebm_snapshot_0624_20120522_145009-1.png


"Cheating is bad" scene was even more comical than the manga by making Gido a pig
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP43part2-YouTubewebm_snapshot_0740_20120522_145151.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_070.jpg


We will be to the Hatsu training in another time.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0126_20120602_164258.jpg


Remember when I noted how over the top the announcers are?
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0309_20120602_164838.png


In the old version, the tops fell down on the floor after deflecting them. In the manga as well as the new anime they vanish.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0430_20120603_114729.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_076.jpg


The old version was closer to the manga in this scene.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0530_20120522_154954-1.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_0772.jpg


Here we see that Gido does indeed have his legs and he can walk with them. The question here, if he can walk, why didn't he keep up the fight? We did get answer on receiving psychological damage, but we didn't hear him give up or give an indication that he can't fight anymore.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0626_20120522_155123-1.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_084-1.jpg


Here you can hear Junko's Naruto voice.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0633_20120522_155139.jpg


There's another thing about the finishing blow, and that is the angle of the strike.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0626_20120522_155123-2.jpg
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http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_082.jpg
As seen here, the strike should be straight downward (marked in red), but it looked like it was on a downward angle (blue),and I don't it's possible to deliver full force on an angled strike like that. Gon's standing position made more sense in the manga.


Another thing to note is Wing and Zushi were watching the fight on TV instead of being there like in the manga.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0642_20120603_114944.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_0852.jpg


http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0657_20120522_155216.jpg
Can't wait to see more over the top reactions!


Killua's fight with Rielvert was mostly the same with the exception of changing the wheelchair to a scooter,as wll as some funny oneliners from Killua.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0741_20120522_155343.png


Gon rips of the tile in his fight with Riehlvert. But since we already saw in his fight with Hisoka, it doesn't have the same impact.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_1207_20120522_160215.jpg


Gon did not break Reihlvert's arms like he did in the manga. And he imitated the sound of electricity which again, didn't do in the manga.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_1218_20120522_160243.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_103-1.png


Of course, Hisoka was watching his fights in the manga. In the old anime he didn't because he left after their fight from the previous episodes.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_105-1.png

mrsticky005
June 03, 2012, 04:55 AM
My turn now

First, we got an updated Heaven's Arena intro with clips from the most recent fights.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_0003_20120603_110021.png


The end of Killua's threat to Gido and Riehlvert scene didn't have the comical background from the manga.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_0601_20120603_110641.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_070.jpg


The training montage was in the manga, but no dates given
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_0625_20120603_110709.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_0702.jpg


In the manga, Gon shows Wing his rod ((Sounds dirty...!!)). In the anime he gives a hint instead.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_0710_20120603_110831.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_071.jpg


When Gido was predicting Gon's next move with the rod, it was made in the usual comical way. The anime didn't do it.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_0952_20120603_111258.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_0772.jpg


When Gon shoots his rod, it hits Gido in the manga, but bypass him in the anime.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1015_20120603_111328.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_0792.jpg


Animation Error: The blood on Gon's knuckles was not shaking along with the fist and it was obvious it was on a different layer
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1115_20120603_111445.jpg


Riehlvert's whips were modified to bite in order to zap.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1337_20120603_111826.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1454_20120603_112011.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_094.jpg


Loved Killua's bored face here
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1424_20120603_111922.jpg


In the anime, Gon ripped of the tile in front of him. In the manga it was the one on his right side.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1856_20120603_112544.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_101.jpg


Hisoka's analysis to Gon's plan was visual. In the manga it was just verbal.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1927_20120603_112629.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_102.jpg


Gon did indeed used his feet to stop Riehlvert's wheels
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1939_20120603_112651.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_1032.jpg


Rielvert's whips bit him in the shoulders. In the manga they were wrapped around his neck.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_1955_20120603_122505.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_1033.jpg


We find out the name of the announcer is Cocco, and Gon asks a good question!
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_2312_20120603_112956.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_2319_20120603_113010.jpg


To the next episode...
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/HorribleSubsHunterXHunter-34480pmkv_snapshot_2143_20120603_112925.jpg


9/10


When Sadaso was leaving, he mentions how his group were looking for each other. That last part was not in the manga
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP43part2-YouTubewebm_snapshot_0624_20120522_145009-1.png


"Cheating is bad" scene was even more comical than the manga by making Gido a pig
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP43part2-YouTubewebm_snapshot_0740_20120522_145151.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_070.jpg


We will be to the Hatsu training in another time.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0126_20120602_164258.jpg


Remember when I noted how over the top the announcers are?
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0309_20120602_164838.png


In the old version, the tops fell down on the floor after deflecting them. In the manga as well as the new anime they vanish.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0430_20120603_114729.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_076.jpg


The old version was closer to the manga in this scene.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0530_20120522_154954-1.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_0772.jpg


Here we see that Gido does indeed have his legs and he can walk with them. The question here, if he can walk, why didn't he keep up the fight? We did get answer on receiving psychological damage, but we didn't hear him give up or give an indication that he can't fight anymore.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0626_20120522_155123-1.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_084-1.jpg


Here you can hear Junko's Naruto voice.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0633_20120522_155139.jpg


There's another thing about the finishing blow, and that is the angle of the strike.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0626_20120522_155123-2.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0613_20120602_183327.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_082.jpg
As seen here, the strike should be straight downward (marked in red), but it looked like it was on a downward angle (blue),and I don't it's possible to deliver full force on an angled strike like that. Gon's standing position made more sense in the manga.


Another thing to note is Wing and Zushi were watching the fight on TV instead of being there like in the manga.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0642_20120603_114944.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_0852.jpg


http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0657_20120522_155216.jpg
Can't wait to see more over the top reactions!


Killua's fight with Rielvert was mostly the same with the exception of changing the wheelchair to a scooter,as wll as some funny oneliners from Killua.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_0741_20120522_155343.png


Gon rips of the tile in his fight with Riehlvert. But since we already saw in his fight with Hisoka, it doesn't have the same impact.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_1207_20120522_160215.jpg


Gon did not break Reihlvert's arms like he did in the manga. And he imitated the sound of electricity which again, didn't do in the manga.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunterxhunterEP44part1-YouTubeflv_snapshot_1218_20120522_160243.png
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_103-1.png


Of course, Hisoka was watching his fights in the manga. In the old anime he didn't because he left after their fight from the previous episodes.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/MKM03/HxH/hunter07_105-1.png


Good comparison.

It seems like whenever the 1999 does something from the manga and does it right the 2011 will change it up.

Example:

Riehlvelt's reaction to Gon threatening to turn the switch on. 1999 was closer to the manga.

I have to give props to the 1999 for how it tried to stick close to the manga.
Yet at the same time the changes like wheelchair to scooter and changing the order were pretty bad.

Although the 1999 version is good as a gag fight. I prefer the 2011 as we still get the laughs but we also get 3 cool fights.

It actually makes me wanna see Gido, Riehlvelt and Sadaso return to the manga and fight again.

---------- Post added at 03:55 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:52 AM ----------

I wonder if they are using the blood on a different layer just in case of censorship?

It would be nice if some of the censored episodes before they had a layer of blood removed for tv and then added back to the dvds.

ZonikStrike
June 03, 2012, 05:50 AM
Wow, did you notice Killua's character song instrumental playing from 12:10? Didn't think they'd use it as a BGM.
http://www.mediafire.com/?15kjby6pwgvdt09

futurefrog
June 03, 2012, 06:07 AM
Wow, did you notice Killua's character song instrumental playing from 12:10? Didn't think they'd use it as a BGM.
http://www.mediafire.com/?15kjby6pwgvdt09

It's a great song! I'd love to see it used again as it fit brilliantly in that fight. Here it is on youtube (easier for people)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-zJgVn5PKw

mak123
June 03, 2012, 06:18 AM
Which is the best fansub of the new serie?

mrsticky005
June 03, 2012, 06:29 AM
Which is the best fansub of the new serie?

Crunchyroll. :P

futurefrog
June 03, 2012, 06:35 AM
Crunchyroll. :P

Agreed. I speak Japanese personally and watch Crunchyroll's subs with my brother (who does not speak Japanese) and I must say that are pretty accurate (despite some minor discrepancies) and are far better quality wise than any fansubbers out there. I recommend CR wholeheartedly.

Cinnabar
June 03, 2012, 07:14 AM
Hello, new to this forum. :^_^

I think this episode was great because Madhouse is pulling out the big guns here. Animation was awesome and music wasn't jarring in the least (at least for me). There were a lot of good expressions here, like Gido's defeated face and most of Riehlvelt's various expressions. I love how Killua looked when he was being electrocuted.

And the backgrounds were so pretty in the beginning.

I thought Madhouse did a great job during the Killua vs. Illumi and Hisoka vs. Kastro episodes, but this one really won me. I like how they kept the little explanations (Hisoka's illustration, Gido's thoughts, Killua's thoughts about Gon's fight) and also put in small changes of their own (like the snakes biting Killua). Riehlvelt suddenly became more awesome for me. I didn't think he was this cool when I marathon-ed the manga recently. I think his VA did a good job with him, especially when he screams.

I'm excited for Gon vs. Hisoka and YorkShin arc to be animated.

Pokymonn
June 03, 2012, 07:26 AM
Wow, did you notice Killua's character song instrumental playing from 12:10? Didn't think they'd use it as a BGM.
http://www.mediafire.com/?15kjby6pwgvdt09

I'm looking forward to the instrumental version that has played in today's episode.

Given their choice of including the characters' songs, I hope they will add the instrumental version of Kurapika's song at the end of Yorkshin City. From my point of view it's got the potential of fitting in perfectly.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRcsPmTYkxI

riniloves
June 03, 2012, 07:44 AM
I love the change in the opening narration.... somehow it gave me a better feel of looking forward much on the next or upcoming battles ahead Heaven's arc.. Dont get me wrong, the Nen class narration is nice but somehow it becomes boring...

and I love Killua's bg theme... the best in the series (for me) so far...

Beans
June 03, 2012, 09:56 AM
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj549/Omar_Shady/Troll_face.png

http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w423/angel_san1/HXH/Sun3605-27-15.jpg

Kamen Rider Dragon
June 03, 2012, 10:22 AM
Please be a mistake

Demonspeed
June 03, 2012, 10:31 AM
Double episode?

susanoo13
June 03, 2012, 11:28 AM
That would be a treat yet I can only think about 2 times where I watched a double episode in which both episodes were done very good which are Naruto episode 66+67 and Shippuuden episodes 119+120(Kakashi gaiden) which is why I think tha if we simply have a week off it only means that the next batch of episodes get extra attention which in this case is great.

Although not a measuring stick I'm using the logic of UFOtable wanting to give higher quality to Fate/Zero and thus took a cour off so that might be the case here as well.

SHINOBI-03
June 03, 2012, 11:53 AM
I say the delay is great news because next week is going to be my Finals and I won't be able to watch the episode on time.

Beans
June 03, 2012, 11:59 AM
^Good news for you, bad news for all of us!!:gwah

SHINOBI-03
June 03, 2012, 12:10 PM
^Good news for you, bad news for all of us!!:gwah

Oh, c'mon! It's just one week. Why does everyone take slight delays like this too seriously? It's not like they're canceling the show or anything! It's just one week. Take it as a chance to do other things instead.

chei
June 03, 2012, 12:49 PM
AHH finally saw 34, I had so much fun. I really like how bratty Killua sound, and that one animated jump sequence of Killua is beautifully done. Gon was just so cute and awesome.

I read that the next JUMP will have information on the cast for Phantom Troupe. Not that I'm big on seiyuu, but if they would get big name guys for roles like..Nobuyuki Hiyama for Feitan, that'd be awesome (if you guys know what I mean). :^_^ Maybe Megumi Ogata for Pakunoda too.

Demonspeed
June 03, 2012, 01:32 PM
Nobuhiko Okamoto would be good too.

Popo
June 03, 2012, 01:39 PM
I wonder if they are using the blood on a different layer just in case of censorship?

It would be nice if some of the censored episodes before they had a layer of blood removed for tv and then added back to the dvds.
Madhouse has been using a lot of interesting animation techniques when it comes to HxH. I don't know how good your vision is, but the layers are really well done--far better than I'm used to seeing in animation. Their frequent use of background blur creates a greater sense of distance. Some shots even look 3D because the blur is so perfected:
http://i.imgur.com/jtxg2.png
http://i.imgur.com/DnB20.png
Anyways, fantastic episode, as always. It seems that the stronger a practitioner of Nen is, their Ren gains color. Gon and Killua and Kastro and Zushi are all inexperienced, hence the white Ren. As one gets stronger, color will likely be added as it was for Riehlvelt. I never realized that Riehlvelt was the dominant member of the group until now, lol.

ZonikStrike
June 03, 2012, 01:50 PM
It seems that the stronger a practitioner of Nen is, their Ren gains color. Gon and Killua and Kastro and Zushi are all inexperienced, hence the white Ren. As one gets stronger, color will likely be added as it was for Riehlvelt.
I thought Riehvelt was using Hatsu while boosting, no?

Beans
June 03, 2012, 01:57 PM
Oh, c'mon! It's just one week. Why does everyone take slight delays like this too seriously? It's not like they're canceling the show or anything! It's just one week. Take it as a chance to do other things instead.

man, I'm addicted to HXH! I can't stand a week without it!! ......nah, I'm just joking.
but man, waiting two weeks for Hisoka vs. Gon is just so hard. it's the fight I was waiting for since I watched the Opening in October 2nd!!

Popo
June 03, 2012, 01:59 PM
I thought Riehvelt was using Hatsu while boosting, no?
He was, but Hatsu is contingent on Ren. Basically, strong Ren should look like Hatsu all of the time.

ZonikStrike
June 03, 2012, 02:07 PM
He was, but Hatsu is contingent on Ren. Basically, strong Ren should look like Hatsu all of the time.
Don't think so. Ren is just a strong release of aura, just for charging up before 'special attacks' - Hatsu. It doesn't need to have a color as it doesn't differ from person to person; Hatsu on the other hand is unique for every person so it has to be colored differently.

Netero
June 03, 2012, 02:22 PM
I hope we get a double episode for the Gon vs Hisoka fight. :)

Popo
June 03, 2012, 02:25 PM
Don't think so. Ren is just a strong release of aura, just for charging up before 'special attacks' - Hatsu. It doesn't need to have a color as it doesn't differ from person to person; Hatsu on the other hand is unique for every person so it has to be colored differently.
Isn't Water Divination the proof that Ren = Hatsu? Whenever someone exerts s strong Ren in the manga, it always seems like they're surrounded in a bright light (and the same thing happened with Hisoka on Zevil Island). Though I guess Togashi's shrouds could have been intended to look like steam.

I suppose that adding color only to aura when Hatsu is being used would be good for tension. It'll make Gon's ability reveal that much sweeter.

Diivil
June 03, 2012, 02:31 PM
Can Someone Post A Gif Of Riehvelt Using Aura Burst during his fight with gon?

ZonikStrike
June 03, 2012, 02:36 PM
Isn't Water Divination the proof that Ren = Hatsu? Whenever someone exerts s strong Ren in the manga, it always seems like they're surrounded in a bright light (and the same thing happened with Hisoka on Zevil Island). Though I guess Togashi's shrouds could have been intended to look like steam.
No, it doesn't. Ren is just a chargeup before Hatsu as I've just said. And while the technique itself is the same for everyone, the aura differs; it already has all of Hatsu properties, but you can't use them. Water test helps to develop which of properties you're mostly inclined to, but you doesn't have to use that ability, just show the overall projection of the aura.
*Sorry for my bad English*

Popo
June 03, 2012, 02:45 PM
No, it doesn't. Ren is just a chargeup before Hatsu as I've just said. And while the technique itself is the same for everyone, the aura differs; it already has all of Hatsu properties, but you can't use them. Water test helps to develop which of properties you're mostly inclined to, but you doesn't have to use that ability, just show the overall projection of the aura.
*Sorry for my bad English*
Ah. Now I see my mistake. I was under the impression that Ko = focusing Ren instead of being a combination of the four major principles.

However, what about the Ren belonging to the Chimera Ants? Togashi makes it a point to color their aura black.

Uriel
June 03, 2012, 03:07 PM
Hello, new to this forum. :^_^
Welcome! To any question I'm the mod of this section. Don't hesitate to PM me whenever you find necessary.

Anyways, fantastic episode, as always. It seems that the stronger a practitioner of Nen is, their Ren gains color. Gon and Killua and Kastro and Zushi are all inexperienced, hence the white Ren. As one gets stronger, color will likely be added as it was for Riehlvelt. I never realized that Riehlvelt was the dominant member of the group until now, lol.
Actually I've my doubts about it. Color seems to be added to special techniques only. Namely, when using Hatsu.
If you notice, Gido tops have a yellow aura around them as well.

Ah. Now I see my mistake. I was under the impression that Ko = focusing Ren instead of being a combination of the four major principles.
However, what about the Ren belonging to the Chimera Ants? Togashi makes it a point to color their aura black.
Because it's not human, probably. And I think He only used that with En, not Ren.

Color in aura seems so far to obey the law of "under Hatsu" effects as something different than the regular techniques. That will help later with Gon, since His technique is basically simple stuff.

ZonikStrike
June 03, 2012, 03:10 PM
However, what about the Ren belonging to the Chimera Ants? Togashi makes it a point to color their aura black.

I think that was just for dramatic effect. Remember Killua vs Illumi, for example; or that mentioned Hisoka's hunt. It is not Ren colored but background as I see it.
Or maybe Togashi wanted every person to have his own aura color not depending on what technique he uses. And making Ten, Ren and Zetsu same for everyone was what Madhouse thought of.
Imo Ren is simply too basic to differ it in battles by coloring (not that they use it so often anyway). Hatsu is the only unique ability.

Uriel
June 03, 2012, 03:10 PM
This was the best image of this episode, I love distorted faces.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50s0iv9YV1qde177o9_1280.jpg

And well...Gift-a-thon:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50zbxjpn11r8v7y3o1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50zbxjpn11r8v7y3o2_500.gif
http://stickerish.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/NowKissBlackSS.png
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m512eaOdPi1qa3bqpo1_500.gif

Killua being awesome:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m513qd4UVM1r5zfj8o1_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m51rboNc9a1rxay5to1_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m510v4jYK01qa3bqpo1_500.gif
The one I posted last week:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m51pygiInb1rn5beeo1_500.gif
And more about Gon
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50znmYpQE1qlp4x9o1_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50znmYpQE1qlp4x9o2_500.gif

ZonikStrike
June 03, 2012, 03:13 PM
And I think He only used that with En, not Ren.

Yeah, but En is still not very unique to color it I think.


That will help later with Gon, since His technique is basically simple stuff.

I think they'll still color it as he actually uses Hatsu.

Uriel
June 03, 2012, 03:19 PM
Yeah, but En is still not very unique to color it I think.
I think they'll still color it as he actually uses Hatsu.
I think that as well, but his Hatsu is basically using the same basic techniques under Enhancement. Get my point? I'm saying that they are doing this to differentiate the special techniques of the basic techniques.

Which will be awesome, since it causes many confusions at first.

ZonikStrike
June 03, 2012, 03:27 PM
I think that as well, but his Hatsu is basically using the same basic techniques under Enhancement. Get my point? I'm saying that they are doing this to differentiate the special techniques of the basic techniques.

Which will be awesome, since it causes many confusions at first.

Ah, then yeah, I agree ) It will be much more clear that way indeed.

Wandering off the point but just remembered another one moment in GI that seemed unclear from the beginning to me... When they lost their Sword of Truth, it wasn't obvious that they did. I hope Madhouse includes the part where they lose it as they do include the parts with Sadaso and Gido forfeiting their fights and that seems more obvious than in the manga.

Salce
June 03, 2012, 03:36 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50znmYpQE1qlp4x9o1_500.gif
This one is awesome.

Even when Madhouse's anime doesn't have top notch animation, the camera angles and direction make action scenes look great.

BlackListHunter
June 03, 2012, 05:06 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m513qd4UVM1r5zfj8o1_500.gif
Epic Killua is epic. Telling guido(no legs) and Riehvelt (paralyzed legs) that he will hunt them down when they are taking a dump.

Crude
June 03, 2012, 05:56 PM
Best thing about this episode: Gido and Riehvelt's screams, as well as the latter's hilarious expressions. This episode really delivered when it came to well animated fights. Gon and Killua were once again badass! Riehvelt's electricuting Killua made me wonder if that's what Kanmuru will look like. The electricity looked pretty damn good, just maybe make the dark blue border lines a lighter colour.

Even though we only saw a snippet of Gon vs Hisoka, from what we could see it looks like it will be a godly fight. This is one of my most anticipated moments in the series, and hearing that there's no episode next week is making me crazy. Watching Hunter x Hunter is one of the best things about my Sundays xD

mrsticky005
June 03, 2012, 06:32 PM
Agreed. I speak Japanese personally and watch Crunchyroll's subs with my brother (who does not speak Japanese) and I must say that are pretty accurate (despite some minor discrepancies) and are far better quality wise than any fansubbers out there. I recommend CR wholeheartedly.

Actually I meant it more as a joke in that a lot of "fansubbers" just use Crunchyroll anyways.

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Madhouse has been using a lot of interesting animation techniques when it comes to HxH. I don't know how good your vision is, but the layers are really well done--far better than I'm used to seeing in animation. Their frequent use of background blur creates a greater sense of distance. Some shots even look 3D because the blur is so perfected:
http://i.imgur.com/jtxg2.png
http://i.imgur.com/DnB20.png
Anyways, fantastic episode, as always. It seems that the stronger a practitioner of Nen is, their Ren gains color. Gon and Killua and Kastro and Zushi are all inexperienced, hence the white Ren. As one gets stronger, color will likely be added as it was for Riehlvelt. I never realized that Riehlvelt was the dominant member of the group until now, lol.

I wasn't complaining about the layers.

I was saying what if BEFORE the episode is put on tv (or crunchyroll) they had a layer of blood and then removed for tv and crunchyroll viewing?

In other words if they are using layers for the blood it makes it more likely that the dvds are uncensored or not as much

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If this break means a double episode I will be VERY happy. :)

Especially since I'm probably going to miss next week anyways.

But a double episode means we get the entire Gon vs Hisoka fight. It also means more time for Madhouse to work on it. Which means better animation. :)

While I think Hisoka vs Gon is the best fight in the 1999 series. I hope Madhouse can step it up. Bungie gum should look better (as it has in Hisoka vs Kastro).
But also it will be nice to see if they use angles more suited to the manga. If you notice the 1999 Hisoka vs Gon used a lot of extreme close up views
and clever cropping so it would only have to animate so much. Example if Gon is punching Hisoka you might only see Gon's fists and Hisoka's face.
Whereas in the manga you'll see a mid distance shot. Not trying to bash the 1999 series here because Gon vs Hisoka was really good there.
But if Madhouse brings their game, it will be without a doubt a phenomenal episode.

Salce
June 03, 2012, 06:45 PM
It also means more time for Madhouse to work on it. Which means better animation.
Well, if it's a double episode they won't have more time to work on it. I mean, double episode is the same that 2 episodes. Normally they have 1 week to make 1 episode, now it would be 2 weeks to make 2 episodes.

Kamen Rider Dragon
June 03, 2012, 07:14 PM
It' not a double episode. It would be on the website if that were the case

futurefrog
June 03, 2012, 07:57 PM
The fact that they are skipping a week may mean that there will not be a recap ep this cour.

leiatte
June 03, 2012, 08:09 PM
What about a gif, of Gon's dash against Gido.

futurefrog
June 03, 2012, 08:10 PM
What about a gif, of Gon's dash against Gido.

I'd like to see a gif of Killua's flipping in the air.

Popo
June 03, 2012, 08:13 PM
I wasn't complaining about the layers.

I was saying what if BEFORE the episode is put on tv (or crunchyroll) they had a layer of blood and then removed for tv and crunchyroll viewing?

In other words if they are using layers for the blood it makes it more likely that the dvds are uncensored or not as much

My apologies. I never tried to insinuate that you were. My post was intended to be more "speaking of layers, here's something I noticed" type deal for anyone whom has an interest in Madhouse's animation technique.

I've been taking a look at a few of the Blu-Ray episodes. The framerate is better than Crunchyroll's, but thus far, I haven't noticed many differences. Though who knows--they could be uncensored in the future.

Salce
June 03, 2012, 08:20 PM
I wonder when will end the next episode.

Probably they will keep the same pace, 2 chapters per episode. So it will be the chapters 60 and 61.

But it would be too open as for being the end of the episode. The end of page 5 of chapter 62 may be better. I almost can imagine the ending song starting in this scene:
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/20607/hunter-x-hunter_ch62_by_no-group/6

mrsticky005
June 03, 2012, 08:32 PM
It' not a double episode. It would be on the website if that were the case

You never know. Maybe they want it to be a surprise. But perhaps they're just taking a break.


My apologies. I never tried to insinuate that you were. My post was intended to be more "speaking of layers, here's something I noticed" type deal for anyone whom has an interest in Madhouse's animation technique.

I've been taking a look at a few of the Blu-Ray episodes. The framerate is better than Crunchyroll's, but thus far, I haven't noticed many differences. Though who knows--they could be uncensored in the future.

I see.

Well that's too bad. Oh well. What about the supposed "bonus material"? I remember the website saying there was a few minutes of extra stuff. What was that?

Uriel
June 03, 2012, 09:00 PM
What about a gif, of Gon's dash against Gido.

I'd like to see a gif of Killua's flipping in the air.
Your wish, my command

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52gb0kgKr1r6kceto1_250.gifhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52gb0kgKr1r6kceto2_250.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m524drmzh11qfwde8o1_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52gb0kgKr1r6kceto3_250.gifhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52gb0kgKr1r6kceto4_250.gifhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52gb0kgKr1r6kceto6_250.gif

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52efgBjA11ro177mo1_500.gif

Killua...Like a boss.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52gb0kgKr1r6kceto10_r1_250.gif

And well, Gon gifs.
First, the one asked:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m522j1TW3k1qfwde8o1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52cw2IhZy1ro177mo1_500.gifhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m527w4ATkO1qfwde8o1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m523lttO8l1qfwde8o1_500.gifhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m523lttO8l1qfwde8o2_r1_500.gif

shareme
June 03, 2012, 09:24 PM
Another good episode and great animation! Of course, what I love the best about this episode is Gon's apparent sadistic tendencies when angry. Did anyone else notice Gon's love of breaking other people's arms after Hanzo broke his? First Illumi and now Riehlvelt. One more person to make this a "habit".



http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m524drmzh11qfwde8o1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52efgBjA11ro177mo1_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52gb0kgKr1r6kceto10_r1_250.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m522j1TW3k1qfwde8o1_500.gif


I'll be taking these, thank you for making bringing them over here from someplace else. :^_^

/fixed :verily

Uriel
June 03, 2012, 09:41 PM
I'll be taking these, thank you for making them. :^_^
I don't make them, beware. I'm taking them from Tumblr.

mrsticky005
June 03, 2012, 10:49 PM
The part where Killua is doing all those flips and shit may not be in the manga...But I'm quite sure that was Madhouse's way of trying to show off some animation.

Which I certainly do not mind. :)

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Question:

What do you think makes for good filler or bad filler

I know I've complained more about fillers in the 1999 series than this 2011 series but I have reasons for that

1. The 1999 series has more fillers
2. The fillers in the 1999 series are generally of lesser quality
3. the fillers contradict the manga

But what do you think?

futurefrog
June 03, 2012, 11:10 PM
The part where Killua is doing all those flips and shit may not be in the manga...But I'm quite sure that was Madhouse's way of trying to show off some animation.

Which I certainly do not mind. :)

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Question:

What do you think makes for good filler or bad filler

I know I've complained more about fillers in the 1999 series than this 2011 series but I have reasons for that

1. The 1999 series has more fillers
2. The fillers in the 1999 series are generally of lesser quality
3. the fillers contradict the manga

But what do you think?

I think that the 2011 series has the advantage of knowing what lies ahead, so they can place in little filler to complement the existing material and add some extra depth. The filler we have seen in the 2011 series has not contradict future events or past events and has all fit within the context of Hunter x Hunter, this is due to a number of things, I personally feel it's got a lot to do with the fact that Madhouse is consulting Togashi on the series, something he did not have much part in for the 99 series.

I think your spot on with your 3 points. Fillers can be good when done correctly in a way that complements its source material.

mrsticky005
June 04, 2012, 03:35 AM
I think that the 2011 series has the advantage of knowing what lies ahead, so they can place in little filler to complement the existing material and add some extra depth. The filler we have seen in the 2011 series has not contradict future events or past events and has all fit within the context of Hunter x Hunter, this is due to a number of things, I personally feel it's got a lot to do with the fact that Madhouse is consulting Togashi on the series, something he did not have much part in for the 99 series.

I think your spot on with your 3 points. Fillers can be good when done correctly in a way that complements its source material.

Yes it is true that the 1999 series had a disadvantage in not knowing what lies ahead.
But it's not simply that the 1999 had bad fillers. But rather that they tried adjusting the
series so that it would fit in with the fillers.

Basically the fillers make sense as far as the 1999 series goes because they follow the same direction as the canon material is presented.
However compared to the manga the fillers would feel completely out of place.

like the bonus exam stage with the shipwreck. I just don't see the actual Hunter exam caring much about team work.
I know there's the whole thing about it being cruel because they have to hunt each other's badges in Zevil Island
and so the whole team work thing is a farce. But this is right after Trick Tower. Where we had the choice of majority
rules which was clearly designed to DISCOURAGE team work. To say Lippo was planning on Gon's trick of breaking through the walls is silly.
So it's like Trick Tower sets the team against each other, Bonus exam stage is about teamwork, Zevil Island is every man for himself.
Seems a bit pointless to me.

futurefrog
June 04, 2012, 04:12 AM
Perhaps this is of interest to some people:

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/166071_450127291683287_943773825_n.jpg

mrsticky005
June 04, 2012, 04:45 AM
Perhaps this is of interest to some people:

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/166071_450127291683287_943773825_n.jpg

Yes. That is definitely of interest to me. Though I dunno what it says! But thanks :D

shareme
June 04, 2012, 08:45 AM
Question:

What do you think makes for good filler or bad filler

I know I've complained more about fillers in the 1999 series than this 2011 series but I have reasons for that

1. The 1999 series has more fillers
2. The fillers in the 1999 series are generally of lesser quality
3. the fillers contradict the manga

But what do you think?

I'm okay with fillers since they're usually abound with fanservice... but only if it's not long (I skip filler arcs), doesn't contradict manga canon and characters are not extremely OOC (except in a comedy setting), I'm fine with it.

mousiehamster
June 04, 2012, 10:36 AM
Yes it is true that the 1999 series had a disadvantage in not knowing what lies ahead.
But it's not simply that the 1999 had bad fillers. But rather that they tried adjusting the
series so that it would fit in with the fillers.

Nah, the 1999 series had pretty good fillers. There were some head scratchers (illumi v. gon and arguably killua's airship filler) but on the whole it added a layer of complexity and richness that the manga did not have (togashi still feeling his way around during the Hunter Exam arc and seriously ill during Yorkshin arc).


Basically the fillers make sense as far as the 1999 series goes because they follow the same direction as the canon material is presented.
However compared to the manga the fillers would feel completely out of place.

like the bonus exam stage with the shipwreck. I just don't see the actual Hunter exam caring much about team work.
I know there's the whole thing about it being cruel because they have to hunt each other's badges in Zevil Island
and so the whole team work thing is a farce. But this is right after Trick Tower. Where we had the choice of majority
rules which was clearly designed to DISCOURAGE team work. To say Lippo was planning on Gon's trick of breaking through the walls is silly.
So it's like Trick Tower sets the team against each other, Bonus exam stage is about teamwork, Zevil Island is every man for himself.
Seems a bit pointless to me.

Um, no, Trick Tower wasn't designed to discourage teamwork. It was designed to stress the dynamics of a cooperative endeavor in the backdrop of high tension situations. Contestants can pass safely through the exam by turning on their teammates or by ultimately exercising calm and going through things pragmatically rather than sentimentally. Gon's team managed to make it through by doing precisely that. Moreover the Battleship fillers are widely regarded as quality stuff.

Are you really thinking things through or are you finding an excuse to hate anything that doesn't adhere strictly to the manga?

thatguy3331
June 04, 2012, 11:00 AM
What I want to know is, why isn't there a GIF of gon Cracking/streching his knuckles before he picked up the tile in the fight with the wheelchair dude? I thaought it was awesome how nonchalant he was XD.

shareme
June 04, 2012, 11:12 AM
Nah, the 1999 series had pretty good fillers. There were some head scratchers (illumi v. gon and arguably killua's airship filler) but on the whole it added a layer of complexity and richness that the manga did not have (togashi still feeling his way around during the Hunter Exam arc and seriously ill during Yorkshin arc).

What you see as "complexity and richness" is "unnecessary drama" to most of us. HxH doesn't waste time on the frequent and required "friendship speech" that you see from other shounen.


Um, no, Trick Tower wasn't designed to discourage teamwork. It was designed to stress the dynamics of a cooperative endeavor in the backdrop of high tension situations. Contestants can pass safely through the exam by turning on their teammates or by ultimately exercising calm and going through things pragmatically rather than sentimentally. Gon's team managed to make it through by doing precisely that.

This I agree. It boggles my mind how you can see this and remain blind to the 1999 faults and flaws.


Moreover the Battleship fillers are widely regarded as quality stuff.

I disagree. Those who liked the Battleship filler liked it for the fanservice and comedy antics NOT because of its "quality". One thing: the characters are OOC so I don't know where you got the "quality stuff" there.


What I want to know is, why isn't there a GIF of gon Cracking/streching his knuckles before he picked up the tile in the fight with the wheelchair dude? I thaought it was awesome how nonchalant he was XD.

I want that gif too! Gon's so cocky there.

Bomber D Rufi
June 04, 2012, 12:00 PM
Perhaps this is of interest to some people:

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/166071_450127291683287_943773825_n.jpg

Not much here that we don't already know.

It just talks about the disablity three in detail, and the big blue text says 'The promised fight between Gon and Hisoka begins!!' The little tiny text says that Gon cleared Hisoka's conditions, and so he finally fights him. Below that is a teaser saying the 'monumentous' information about the spider's seiyuus will be revealed in the next issue of WSJ (Issue 29.) I think someone else mentioned that being revealed already. If people want me to, once the scans are out, I'll use my amazing seiyuu powers to deduce who will be voicing who. Unless of course someone with mighter seiyuu powers beats me to it. (Or more likely, no one cares.)

Cinnabar
June 04, 2012, 12:10 PM
Wait, what? No HxH next week? :gwah

Oh well. Madhouse better makes the wait and anticipation worthwhile. Though judging from the latest episode, they should have no problems with that.


Welcome! To any question I'm the mod of this section. Don't hesitate to PM me whenever you find necessary.

Alright. Thank you~


This was the best image of this episode, I love distorted faces.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50s0iv9YV1qde177o9_1280.jpg

I don't know why, but this is what won me over. :zomg Of course, the episode itself was awesome, but this part just really stood out for me.


Question:

What do you think makes for good filler or bad filler

I know I've complained more about fillers in the 1999 series than this 2011 series but I have reasons for that

1. The 1999 series has more fillers
2. The fillers in the 1999 series are generally of lesser quality
3. the fillers contradict the manga

But what do you think?

I can't say if I liked the '99 fillers or not since I haven't watched all of them. But based on what I have seen, I do agree with you that the fillers contradict the manga. Though to be fair, the '99 series had less material to work with. They also had a different focus (Kurapika) and interpretation (different characterizations), so they weren't as faithful to the manga to begin with. For me, the fillers were good for what they were: outside material that fills in gaps or pads out existing material (which is not necessarily equal to source material). They're alright as standalones (kinda like fanfictions), but they don't mix well with what is considered canon.

I want Madhouse to add to the anime whatever Togashi couldn't in the manga (for whatever reasons, like page limit). Though I'd accept any filler as long as it doesn't contradict the manga and it's enjoyable.

I want a Kite filler, though.

SHINOBI-03
June 04, 2012, 12:13 PM
I want Madhouse to add to the anime whatever Togashi couldn't in the manga (for whatever reasons, like page limit). Though I'd accept any filler as long as it doesn't contradict the manga and it's enjoyable.

They did with Canary's backstory and and how Kurapika met his master.

Cinnabar
June 04, 2012, 12:18 PM
And I think they did a good job with those! Which is why I hope they add more in the future if they could. Their weakest filler yet was the one where everyone was stuck in a room for 50 hours, but I enjoyed that part too nonetheless.

SHINOBI-03
June 04, 2012, 12:22 PM
And I think they did a good job with those! Which is why I hope they add more in the future if they could. Their weakest filler yet was the one where everyone was stuck in a room for 50 hours, but I enjoyed that part too nonetheless.

Well, the 99 version fans liked the battleship filler and complement the friendship and teamwork the characters had, but I prefer the room filler because it showed us the friendship between Gon and Killua and how they acted like typical kids of their age.

ZonikStrike
June 04, 2012, 12:51 PM
The only filler part I actually hate about 2011 is the Trial Gate. Srsly, wtf? Was there even the need to make them open one gate only together? When Leorio opened two of them and both Kurapika and Gon managed to open one by themselves. That was just stupid and unnecessary.
The Kaito absence is just time question so it isn't much of a deal.
I missed the sushi exam as well tho =(
Another fail is Hisoka's smoke&petals in first episodes. How did he do that huh?
Fillers on the other hand were just great. 50 hours wait was funny, HxH needs those breathers sometimes I think. Canary fight was nice as well. Mizuken was just badass.
1999 had many disturbing fillers. The second episode was so lame (no offense, 1999 fans) that I dropped HxH once before even getting to the best parts. The airship filler was OOC and had no sense for me (maybe cuz I've read manga before continuing the 1999 series). I actually skipped the 3.5 exam filler and don't plan to watch it in the near future, so I have nothing to say about it. I don't remember the foxbear cub filler well but I do remember it wasn't great. The only good filler maybe is Kurapika's one (don't remember it precisely but i didn't hate it).
While slowing the story up with filler moments, Nippon animation just rushed the things starting from Heaven's Arena and missing some important stuff, such as Meteor City avengers' story for example. So if some of 1999 fans say "fast pace isn't always good" they must remember, that Nippon actually failed in that aspect as well.
All in all it's arguable whether Nippon's characterization is deeper when it creates new plotholes while covering the so-called old ones.

Cinnabar
June 04, 2012, 01:04 PM
Well, the 99 version fans liked the battleship filler and complement the friendship and teamwork the characters had, but I prefer the room filler because it showed us the friendship between Gon and Killua and how they acted like typical kids of their age.

To each his own, I suppose. I liked the room filler precisely because of the reasons you said. I imagine it to be dragging to watch for some, but I thought it was kind of fun and lighthearted.


The only filler part I actually hate about 2011 is the Trial Gate. Srsly, wtf? Was there even the need to make them open one gate only together? When Leorio opened two of them and both Kurapika and Gon managed to open one by themselves. That was just stupid and unnecessary.

Oh, I forgot this one. I was disappointed with it 'cause it was supposed to be Leorio's spotlight. The first time I saw it, I thought they were making a point about how the power of friendship overrules Leorio's deserved screentime. Lol.

Demonspeed
June 04, 2012, 01:37 PM
I hope they'll make some Leorio fillers.

mrsticky005
June 04, 2012, 02:49 PM
Nah, the 1999 series had pretty good fillers. There were some head scratchers (illumi v. gon and arguably killua's airship filler) but on the whole it added a layer of complexity and richness that the manga did not have (togashi still feeling his way around during the Hunter Exam arc and seriously ill during Yorkshin arc).



Um, no, Trick Tower wasn't designed to discourage teamwork. It was designed to stress the dynamics of a cooperative endeavor in the backdrop of high tension situations. Contestants can pass safely through the exam by turning on their teammates or by ultimately exercising calm and going through things pragmatically rather than sentimentally. Gon's team managed to make it through by doing precisely that. Moreover the Battleship fillers are widely regarded as quality stuff.

Are you really thinking things through or are you finding an excuse to hate anything that doesn't adhere strictly to the manga?



They were ok fillers at best. And they weren't very complex or layered either.

I completely disagree. Trick Tower WAS designed to break up the team. That's the entire point of the last stage. Choosing the long route meant everyone failed. Choosing the short route meant that only three would pass. So two out of the five HAD to fail according to the rules. Gon was just clever enough to work
around such restrictions. Or do you think that Lippo purposely designed the towers so a person could break through?

Of course it is. But it's really just mediocre at best.