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[LoS]

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Like we figured, Toriko would put up a good showing but it would be interrupted. So that Chin, Toriko, and Komatsu would survive an opponent they weren't quite strong enough to defeat, but would put up a valiant effort in the process and a good showing.

Take is still incredibly annoying and it surprises me someone as low as he was got paired up with someone so strong. Since the Bishokukai had stronger and more skilled Chefs already on their staff.

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[milek]

one more great chapter. thank you kewl for translation. toriko is so strong and i hate ootake.

question is what will midora do about toriko.

[LoS]

Pretty cool to see how much stronger Toriko's attacks have become, not only that but he is now inventing more techniques, for offense and defense. He's also become more aware of his surroundings and has greater battle sense.

That floating black creature Midora is on looks pretty cool to me. Im still really wondering why Take of all people is in a combo with Midora, other than making them the pair Komatsu and Toriko match up against in the end. Komatsu's cooking school rival, and Midora the rival of Toriko for getting ahold of "God."

[brebaz]

Midora is in combo with take?!! I mean WTF! this doesn't make any sense. Take of all the chefs in the world!

i don't like this one bit.

[Zehahaha]

Ridiculous... How come that piece of shit is teaming with Midora ?
Fuck this ridiculous shit.

Anyway, nice to see Toriko more or less on par with Chiyo, at least to some extent... But I'm wondering, what is the reason behind Chiyo joining the Bishokukai ?

[Jorge D. Dragon]

The spoilers look damn interesting. I really want to get english scanlation to see Toriko's fight against Chiyo. I believe she went beyond any reasonable level in her madness. And Toriko really progressed immensely not only in strength, but in techs as he've invented several new moves.:)

About Take's partner... well the author made my day. I've never expected him to be partnered with Midora. Maybe there is a posibility that he isn't the only Chef that works with Midora? As it's really at the least strange to see Take as his partner. Of course he is a good Chef, but this good?

[reaper2507]

its not about "good or bad cheff" its about potential ... Look at Komatsu he is not as good as one of the best cheffs in the world or Toriko he is not as strong as Knoking MasterJ.. BUT they will surpass them^^

[FKM]

Dafuq????:gwah midora is take partner??? that not make any sense at all!!!!! men i bet that midora is using him for something.

[Zehahaha]

its not about "good or bad cheff" its about potential ... Look at Komatsu he is not as good as one of the best cheffs in the world or Toriko he is not as strong as Knoking MasterJ.. BUT they will surpass them^^

No, it's about a chef who was using bribes to get into the top 100, and now suddenly he's all mighty and shit... Ridiculous.

[Lyn685]

Im not believing that Otake is really in a combo with Midora until Midora says it himself and explains his decision. :)
There must be a good reason.

[CristiStar]

if otake is midoras partner this is a major fail for the toriko manga!

[nfinitfx]

Midora will troll with Toriko.

They will see the big difference in power and inspires Toriko to train 100x harder.

[abc1233]

I bet Midora has all the top 100 chefs he kidnapped as his combo, I just can't fathom why he would choose Otake out of all the people.

[nightshade_nova]

I bet Midora has all the top 100 chefs he kidnapped as his combo, I just can't fathom why he would choose Otake out of all the people.

I think thats your answer.
Ootake somehow beat the other 99 top chefs, probably due to some of Midora's crazy way of bruteforcing growth exponentially.

[Nauthyz]

The chapters seems great again .
Concerning the combo thing , i thought like abc1233 , Midora must be in a combo with a lot of chefs. There's no way Ootake who has no charisma is his only combo .
I'd even like to see Midora kill Chiyo and Ootake because they failed , but i'm dreaming . Plus i don't know if he's this kind of villain .
Also that's pretty rare that i like monsters in Toriko (they tend to have just a lot of arms, tails, ... ) but i like this one .

[nasro074]

http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/Toriko/Toriko-190 the Chapter is out

[BlackHair]

The chapter was amazing, that's at least I wanted to say after the fight. But the cliffhanger.. .while it is exciting, the combo part is eating me up.

[Koen]

Guys, could we stop bashing about the fact that Midora formed a Combo with Ootake...

I mean, Komatsu doesn't look as cool as other chefs either and it isn't a coincidence that Ootake got in the top 100 before Komatsu. I call that an objective parameter by which you can tell that Ootake is a good chef too. Okay, his attitude is wrong (reason why he got influenced by bishoku kai) and unlike Joa, LB, Setsuno, Chiyo,... he has that bland look like Komatsu has. I would say: just wait and see... You never know what Midora might do to Chiyo and Ootake for having failed.

They failed their mission...

I am going for a red herring

[BlackHair]

Toriko and Komatsu are rising stars. They didn't even get into the GW yet. True Toriko was already big in the HW as he met Komatsu, but in a world scale, they are both rising. Midora on the other hand is one of the top three guys. In fact he is most likely at the moment the strongest. He forming a combo with a weakling is too much. I know Take has probably a potential equal to Matsu, but that's just messed up. In all honesty, its not working for me and it appears Im not the only one.

I believe with Take, the author is building up a endgame character for Komatsu. Now while thinking about archenemies I rly hope the guy with Take is Staajun, instead of Midora. I know how unlikely it seems, no one needs to point that out to me xD

Gourmet World = GW
Human World = HM
New World = NW

[abc1233]

Maybe Otake formed a combo with that giant black thing Midora is riding? XD

[BlackHair]

Maybe Otake formed a combo with that giant black thing Midora is riding? XDThat sounds rly nasty lol xD

I found it interesting that both Chin and Chiyo lost focus on food honor, because of emotions. But the most interesting part was Torikos premonition (http://www.mangareader.net/toriko/190/10). I wonder what kind of skills he is about to learn. There is surely some development.

PS: Hopefully Take meant it metaphorically with Midora as the whole Bishokukai, but not him individually.

[exacta]

Perhaps Midora formed a combo with Ootake because he's extremely young for a chef, and probably has the most room for growth and the most potential. He's certainly different from his first appearance too. I'm surprised it was Midora too, I was expecting Staajyun. But even if Ootake isn't the most skilled chef at the moment, the fact that he's probably the youngest means he's the one who can grow the most, so pairing him with Midora could probably bring out his potential the most since he's the boss. Maybe next chapter will get a little peak at what Midora can do before he leaves.

[abc1233]

Perhaps Midora formed a combo with Ootake because he's extremely young for a chef, and probably has the most room for growth and the most potential. He's certainly different from his first appearance too. I'm surprised it was Midora too, I was expecting Staajyun. But even if Ootake isn't the most skilled chef at the moment, the fact that he's probably the youngest means he's the one who can grow the most, so pairing him with Midora could probably bring out his potential the most since he's the boss. Maybe next chapter will get a little peak at what Midora can do before he leaves.
I doubt Midora has time to care about who has the most potential. He seems intent on finding "God" and one would assume that he would be paired with the strongest chef he can find in order to get it before anyone else. There's also the problem of going into the GW with someone who is too weak to look after himself, why would be choose someone that he has to babysit all the time?

[exacta]

I doubt Midora has time to care about who has the most potential. He seems intent on finding "God" and one would assume that he would be paired with the strongest chef he can find in order to get it before anyone else. There's also the problem of going into the GW with someone who is too weak to look after himself, why would be choose someone that he has to babysit all the time?

Well from what he showed Komatsu a few chapters ago he's obviously not that weak anymore.

[abc1233]

Well from what he showed Komatsu a few chapters ago he's obviously not that weak anymore.

Yes but strong enough to survive in the GW? Toriko was fodder when he went in there so are you saying that Otake is significantly stronger than Toriko was back then?

[VashDaStampede]

Great chapter! Toriko has gotten another major power boost. Holding Chiyo in place with small knives without her even realizing it kinda hints that his food honor might be a little higher than hers. But then again, she did just have a minor confrontation with Chin and she did look like she took a little damage. But its good to see Toriko with a few new moves.

Now...the whole Take being in a combo with Midora thing. This is sorta the point I've been making with Komatsu the whole time. It seems shocking that someone as strong as Midora might be in a combo with Take, yet someone as strong as Toriko is in a combo with Komatsu and that's fine? I don't think the difference in power between Midora and Take is that much different than the difference in power between Toriko and Komatsu. Is it a surprise (assuming it gets confirmed next chapter) yes, but looking at it like that I don't think its off base from what we've seen in the manga.

I do like the idea that Midora has a team of chefs that he's partnered with and Take is just one of them. I'll admit that does make more sense. But I say that because I'm still holding on to the hope that Komatsu gets a physical upgrade soon. :)

For next and upcoming chapters...I think it will sorta go the same way it went when the President went to see Midora. Maybe a little show of Midora's power, but mostly talking and them leaving to go back to the Gourmet World. I think Chin will die and entrust the Spoon technique to Toriko. And next up...we get a couple of transition chapters and then...I would like to see them go after the President's last full course item and Komatsu figures out how to cook it, but I think the next arc will be something completely different than we all expect. Like an arc with Toriko and Terry going after some random ingredient.

[Dracula]

Chapter 190 : Knife vs Kitchen Knife. Toriko vs Chiyo is epic! I like how Toriko can handle himself this time, even fighting with a stronger opponent.

And WTF, is that Midora? Midora is in combo with Take? I hope not, of all chef why Take? Though it maybe is Starjun not Midora.

[abc1233]

Great chapter! Toriko has gotten another major power boost. Holding Chiyo in place with small knives without her even realizing it kinda hints that his food honor might be a little higher than hers. But then again, she did just have a minor confrontation with Chin and she did look like she took a little damage. But its good to see Toriko with a few new moves.

Now...the whole Take being in a combo with Midora thing. This is sorta the point I've been making with Komatsu the whole time. It seems shocking that someone as strong as Midora might be in a combo with Take, yet someone as strong as Toriko is in a combo with Komatsu and that's fine? I don't think the difference in power between Midora and Take is that much different than the difference in power between Toriko and Komatsu. Is it a surprise (assuming it gets confirmed next chapter) yes, but looking at it like that I don't think its off base from what we've seen in the manga.

I do like the idea that Midora has a team of chefs that he's partnered with and Take is just one of them. I'll admit that does make more sense. But I say that because I'm still holding on to the hope that Komatsu gets a physical upgrade soon. :)

For next and upcoming chapters...I think it will sorta go the same way it went when the President went to see Midora. Maybe a little show of Midora's power, but mostly talking and them leaving to go back to the Gourmet World. I think Chin will die and entrust the Spoon technique to Toriko. And next up...we get a couple of transition chapters and then...I would like to see them go after the President's last full course item and Komatsu figures out how to cook it, but I think the next arc will be something completely different than we all expect. Like an arc with Toriko and Terry going after some random ingredient.

I highly doubt the gap between Komatsu and Otake is comparable to the gap between Midora and Toriko, unless if Otake got some ridiculously hax power-up. Komatsu already had his incredibly powerful knife and with food honour he can use it both in cooking and fighting properly now, plus he was arguably a better cook before food honour so I wouldn't be surprised if he has already surpassed Otake.

[Zoro #1]

So Midora has a 100 chef and Take is one of the 100 combos he has made, I guess you can be proud of that. That Chiyo hag must be one of the top chef under who take is working as an assistant chef. I mean if Midora can have a sh*t load of people who collect his food then why mot a load of chefs who prepare it.

As for Tokiro, I was hoping to see spoon, but the way he used his fork and knife was pretty impressive. Maybe we will see him using his fork like wolverine uses his claws. As for komatsu, it was a bit of a disappointment, since he didn't show any resolve, for someone who will enter Gourmet world he seems a lot unprepared mentally, I believe he has the skills to defend himself, its just his mentality that is really annoying.

All in all it was a great chapter, i don't think there would be much of a fight now. But I am confused as hell is to how toriko and the other will get out of this situation.

[FKM]

Good chapter i like that toriko can do more leg knifes , but i found something that dont understand now toriko can do knives with the same hand that do forks?

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3660/190.0/compressed/c012.jpg
Whatever thats no like's me.

moreover the end really owned me midora in a combo with ootake:s i really hope a explanation about this:-_-.

[Zoro #1]

Good chapter i like that toriko can do more leg knifes , but i found something that dont understand now toriko can do knives with the same hand that do forks?

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3660/190.0/compressed/c012.jpg
Whatever thats no like's me.

moreover the end really owned me midora in a combo with ootake:s i really hope a explanation about this:-_-.

Wait the hands have different abilities???? I thought he can do that with both hands.

[FKM]

Wait the hands have different abilities???? I thought he can do that with both hands.

I always thought that the left hand is only for do forks and the right for the knives , this is the firts time that i see him doing knifes with his left hand.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

The chapter was really great.:) I liked how Toriko managed to develop and mix his abilities. Especially it was great, when he covered his Kugi Punch with Forks and made a protected Twin Kugi Punch to repel Chiyo and her attack.
After Toriko's showcase of power and seeing Chiyo's inability to inflict any damage to him, I believe he would have won if not for Midora. Seems now Toriko is somewhere in the same league with Chiyo and Setsuno. Maybe a bit weaker, but now after Chiyo weakened after fighting Assistant Masters and Chinchin, Toriko can defeat her. Also we should onsider that in the upcoming Arc Toriko will power-up even more with new ingridient, hence he will become way stronger in one or two Arcs and will be able to take her down in their next fight if needed.
I really liked the ability Toriko showed that looked like Observation Haki from One Piece. He has seen the possible damage from the upcoming attack and made the best counter to it, hence I would say he has grown in another dimension.

Now Midora has come and in the next chapter we might see some interesting talk. It would be more interesting to hear some revelations from Midora, than see his actual fighting capabilities, cause we already know that he is a monster)) Thus I believe it would be better to understand if Midora is Sani's father or is he related to other Heavingly Kings, maybe even Toriko?

P.S. Also Chinchin pointed that he lost control over his Food Honour due to hearing the reason why Chiyo defected to Bishokukai... It would be also interesting to hear it. I believe it might be her desire to cook God and she might believe that Bishokukai are way closer to getting it, than IGO.

[masubiladin]

The chapter was really great. I liked how Toriko managed to develop and mix his abilities. Especially it was great, when he covered his Kugi Punch with Forks and made a protected Twin Kugi Punch to repel Chiyo and her attack.
After Toriko's showcase of power and seeing Chiyo's inability to inflict any damage to him, I believe he would have won if not for Midora. Seems now Toriko is somewhere in the same league with Chiyo and Setsuno. Maybe a bit weaker, but now after Chiyo weakened after fighting Assistant Masters and Chinchin, Toriko can defeat her. Also we should onsider that in the upcoming Arc Toriko will power-up even more with new ingridient, hence he will become way stronger in one or two Arcs and will be able to take her down in their next fight if needed.
I really liked the ability Toriko showed that looked like Observation Haki from One Piece. He has seen the possible damage from the upcoming attack and made the best counter to it, hence I would say he has grown in another dimension.
Chiyo has taken some considerable damage however she has not been fighting at her utmost ability. She still has some trump cards left such as that freaky looking knife. Meanwhile, Toriko seems quite near his limit. I would not say Toriko can beat Chiyo.
Second, that observation Haki that you compare has already been demonstrated at this page http://www.mangahere.com/manga/toriko/c112/3.html


So Midora has a 100 chef and Take is one of the 100 combos he has made, I guess you can be proud of that. That Chiyo hag must be one of the top chef under who take is working as an assistant chef. I mean if Midora can have a sh*t load of people who collect his food then why mot a load of chefs who prepare it.
I also think this is the case, seeing how Take is an inferior bug and Midora is like the bad ass boss of all time. Take for some reason become so arrogant that he looks down upon Toriko and Komatsu is sickening. I mean they two suffer near death experience to obtain ingredients (Komatsu technically died once).
Midora's pet is crazy looking, looking at it defies what we have seen up till now, the style is certainly different.

[milek]

Great chapter, epic toriko but his is at limit with his power . midora will probably show some skills to toriko at least we hope so and save him form Chiyo.

[Pandamic]

I always thought that the left hand is only for do forks and the right for the knives , this is the firts time that i see him doing knifes with his left hand.

Toriko did use his right hand to throw those knives at her feet. He used his left hand for a fork shield and in the background he threw knives with his right. If you look, the "bobobo" is pointing to his right arm; it also looks like his hand is powered up(light is shining from his hand).

[Glutton]

i think take, may have gourmet cells implanted in him and maybe it isnt completely compatible as seen by the lines near his eyes thats probably how he powered up more then komatsu. He seems like a character that would do anything to get head so he made a deal. Midora is a glutton from http://www.mangareader.net/349-31299-6/toriko/chapter-63.html its almost safe to assume probably multiple chefs cooks for midora or are combo with.

[milek]

we finally see why master chis wasnt that strong as we all thought. its because of his emotions. thats why he told toriko to stay calm.

[nyamonyamo]

Chiyo is just cruel...too cruel! Are there any shonen manga that depicts such cruelty nowadays? I love this manga even more!
I dont like the Take x Midora combo either, is it really Midora tho? But cant mistake that shine i guess. So i like to think that Midora is actually using Take and Take thought that by slicing some onions would already make him Midora's combo. But that calm arrogant manner is disturbing..
If somehow he gets sliced in the next chapter that would be my ecstasy.
But why did he come to Shokurin temple? What was his purpose. He did not do any fighting. He has no grudge with the temple. Just riding along? Or he is actually Chiyo's assistant.
Toriko fight was just too awesome. More than expectation. To dish out that many attacks and not look exhausted.
I wonder how they will get out of this one...

[Cybernin]

I curious to see if the reason Take's with Midora has something to do with the 'Reviving Knife' technique he used on Komatsu. He mentioned that it's a very rare technique that's used to prepare special ingredients in the Gourmet World. Since Midora's ultimate goal is God, maybe 'Reviving Knife' is necessary to prepare God.

[VashDaStampede]

I highly doubt the gap between Komatsu and Otake is comparable to the gap between Midora and Toriko, unless if Otake got some ridiculously hax power-up. Komatsu already had his incredibly powerful knife and with food honour he can use it both in cooking and fighting properly now, plus he was arguably a better cook before food honour so I wouldn't be surprised if he has already surpassed Otake.

No no...I wasn't talking about the gap in power between Komatsu and Otake; I was talking about the gap in power between Komatsu and Toriko compared to Midora/Otake. For example, (and I'm completely making this system up for my example; I didn't get this from anywhere)....lets say Midora is at a level of 1000 and Otake is at 110; difference of 890. And Toriko is at 800 and Komatsu is at 90; difference of 710. What I'm saying is the 890 isn't too far away from the 710. And based on that, it shouldn't be too off base that Midora could be in a combo with Otake. Now, I'll say again, I still don't believe it either, but I was just giving an example of how it could make sense in the manga.

I think that Komatsu and Otake are actually not that far away from each other. Otake getting the edge since he's already done some things in the GW.

[Umbra Wolf]

its not about "good or bad cheff" its about potential ... Look at Komatsu he is not as good as one of the best cheffs in the world or Toriko he is not as strong as Knoking MasterJ.. BUT they will surpass them^^

This plus you do not have to forget that Midora wants to insult his opponents as well and prove his supriority as well. So he is just adding insult to injury.

Also it does make sense from a story perspective since Midora will be the final boss fro Toriko and Komatsu needs an equivalent.

Also we should not forget that in his organization Midora already has countless cooks under his control (Starjun, Tommy Rod, Kuromado etc.) and he is probably by far the strongest anyway so he can choose his partner by skill more than fighting strength. Don't forget Komatsu is also pretty "useless" in a hands on fighting scenario.

[Buggy]

You are being trolled guys, that's just Staajyun and he's grown his hair:P

On a more serious note, awesome chapter. Toriko is showcasing some great strategy, not just brute forcing. Restraining Chiyo's movement undetected with knife was excellent. When he started bending hands, I was like "spoon? no way!", but it was such innovative thing like enveloping his kugi punch with fork. He made it even stronger. His display was nothing short of amazing but I believe he would be defeated with Chiyo's #1 knife. He is getting closer to GW level.

Master Chin seems to have lost because of his emotion, not difference in strength. Probably that they were romantically involved in the pat and he still has feelings for her. Also, very interesting to know what is her reason for joining the Bishokukai.

[abc1233]

No no...I wasn't talking about the gap in power between Komatsu and Otake; I was talking about the gap in power between Komatsu and Toriko compared to Midora/Otake. For example, (and I'm completely making this system up for my example; I didn't get this from anywhere)....lets say Midora is at a level of 1000 and Otake is at 110; difference of 890. And Toriko is at 800 and Komatsu is at 90; difference of 710. What I'm saying is the 890 isn't too far away from the 710. And based on that, it shouldn't be too off base that Midora could be in a combo with Otake. Now, I'll say again, I still don't believe it either, but I was just giving an example of how it could make sense in the manga.

I think that Komatsu and Otake are actually not that far away from each other. Otake getting the edge since he's already done some things in the GW.
Yes but what I'm saying is that if the gap in power between Toriko and Midora is massive compared to the gap between Komatsu and Otake, then the gap between Komatsu and Toriko will be much smaller compared to Midora and Otake. Considering that this manga will probably become a fairly long running series (what with them not having even entered the GW yet) and considering that Midora is pretty much an endgame character, I just don't see how the gap between them right now is anything but massive.


You are being trolled guys, that's just Staajyun and he's grown his hair:P

On a more serious note, awesome chapter. Toriko is showcasing some great strategy, not just brute forcing. Restraining Chiyo's movement undetected with knife was excellent. When he started bending hands, I was like "spoon? no way!", but it was such innovative thing like enveloping his kugi punch with fork. He made it even stronger. His display was nothing short of amazing but I believe he would be defeated with Chiyo's #1 knife. He is getting closer to GW level.

Master Chin seems to have lost because of his emotion, not difference in strength. Probably that they were romantically involved in the pat and he still has feelings for her. Also, very interesting to know what is her reason for joining the Bishokukai.

I actually think that he could survive in the GW as he is, I mean he can hold his own against a beast like Chiyo. But there is still one more ingredient I believe, we'll have to see if he improves as much as he did with getting the bubble fruit.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

masubiladin
I wouldn't actually say that Toriko is anywhere near his limit. On the other hand it seems that physically Chiyo is at her limit. Of course her favourite knife might be a gamechanger, but still I believe in such a situation Toriko might have taken her down if Midora hasn't come.:)

Thanks for the link.:) I didn't remember the moment.:) Still I believe Toriko's sensing and predicting abilities have gotten way better after mastering Food Honor.:)

P.S. Hope in the upcoming chapters we'll see some interesting revelations.:)

[milek]

Has anyone else noticed that Toriko have been flying in this chapter.

[Zoro #1]

You are being trolled guys, that's just Staajyun and he's grown his hair:P

On a more serious note, awesome chapter. Toriko is showcasing some great strategy, not just brute forcing. Restraining Chiyo's movement undetected with knife was excellent. When he started bending hands, I was like "spoon? no way!", but it was such innovative thing like enveloping his kugi punch with fork. He made it even stronger. His display was nothing short of amazing but I believe he would be defeated with Chiyo's #1 knife. He is getting closer to GW level.

Master Chin seems to have lost because of his emotion, not difference in strength. Probably that they were romantically involved in the pat and he still has feelings for her. Also, very interesting to know what is her reason for joining the Bishokukai.

Lol if that is Sata then we will all get trolled pretty badly, but the light thing he used is similar to what Midora uses.

[Zehahaha]

It is not about the difference between Komatsu and Otake's strenght, but it is more about how they climb their way to the top : One is working hard, going to danger zones to cook ingredients, the other used bribes and shit (note that I don't bash him based on his ingredients trading and stuff that he did, but only bribing), yes he obviously got skills, I won't deny it, but compared to Komatsu and what he has been through, he's trash.

[Impossibility]

Toriko seems to be fighting on par with Chiyo, albeit without Chiyo utilising her favourite weapon. A major advancement in power for Toriko. Somehow Chiyo manages to stay completely insane for every chapter. I think with Chiyo's favourite knife she would probably take Toriko. I hope the battle between the two ends, I still dream of watching Setsuno absolutely wreck the crazy old hag. Desperately hoping that Take's partner is not Midora, it would be inconsistent with what we know of Take. Awesome arc, anxiously waiting for the next chapter.

[nyamonyamo]

It is not about the difference between Komatsu and Otake's strenght, but it is more about how they climb their way to the top : One is working hard, going to danger zones to cook ingredients, the other used bribes and shit (note that I don't bash him based on his ingredients trading and stuff that he did, but only bribing), yes he obviously got skills, I won't deny it, but compared to Komatsu and what he has been through, he's trash.

he's trash
That made my day lol.
Oh well, still hoping in the next chapter he gets sliced up for being too talkative and did nothing except trying to rub it in matsu's face.
He had no purpose in this arc other than introduction and showing off some underground cooking skill. I hope Shima wont let us down!!

[masubiladin]

Yeah. He was enslaved and then came back so full of himself. What a ....!
What also interesting is that why would Midora bother come and pick Take up.
Also we have seen Ichyuu's unicorn and Midora's black thingy all thats left is Knocking Master Jiro's pet.

[Glutton]

Think midora is moving to the GW with all his cew in that monster, here to pick everyone up. He is going to be like no time to waste on small fries, we are going to GW.....:teehee
they have to stop because midora is just too awesome for them to say no

[masubiladin]

No no...I wasn't talking about the gap in power between Komatsu and Otake; I was talking about the gap in power between Komatsu and Toriko compared to Midora/Otake. For example, (and I'm completely making this system up for my example; I didn't get this from anywhere)....lets say Midora is at a level of 1000 and Otake is at 110; difference of 890. And Toriko is at 800 and Komatsu is at 90; difference of 710. What I'm saying is the 890 isn't too far away from the 710. And based on that, it shouldn't be too off base that Midora could be in a combo with Otake. Now, I'll say again, I still don't believe it either, but I was just giving an example of how it could make sense in the manga.

Lol Midora is like 100000.

Think midora is moving to the GW with all his cew in that monster, here to pick everyone up
Nah. All the Vice Head Chief and above got enormous pets. Even though Midora's pet is quite crazy looking, we still cannot accurately scale that beast.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Seems that Midora's pet should be one of the strongest out there.:) Hope Terry has grown and will go with Toriko to the Gourmet World. It will be a great team as Terry seemd to have an incredible level even during Santa Arc, so now he should have even bigger level.:)

[nyamonyamo]

Seems that Midora's pet should be one of the strongest out there.:) Hope Terry has grown and will go with Toriko to the Gourmet World. It will be a great team as Terry seemd to have an incredible level even during Santa Arc, so now he should have even bigger level.:)

I think that pet is just for transportation like granny setsu's apartment jelly. Doesnt look like it has any active attack. Maybe passive skills for defense?
Uhh dont remind me thats so annoying i got pissed at Toriko for interrupting what Rin was about to say on Terry's level!

[Shadoguardian]

I hope Ootake's combo is someone who happens to be travelling with Midora, and not Midora himself, because that would be kinda dissapointing.

UNLESS, all the high-ranking chefs are considered to be Midora's combo, and he doesn't see them as partners, but as servants. That will make more sense to me. Midora might think of "throwing away" Ootake if he "fails" him.

[Zehahaha]

I hope Ootake's combo is someone who happens to be travelling with Midora, and not Midora himself, because that would be kinda dissapointing.

UNLESS, all the high-ranking chefs are considered to be Midora's combo, and he doesn't see them as partners, but as servants. That will make more sense to me. Midora might think of "throwing away" Ootake if he "fails" him.

I really hope that... But I don't think so, I guess the author want to set a rival for Komatsu too...

[VashDaStampede]

Yes but what I'm saying is that if the gap in power between Toriko and Midora is massive compared to the gap between Komatsu and Otake, then the gap between Komatsu and Toriko will be much smaller compared to Midora and Otake. Considering that this manga will probably become a fairly long running series (what with them not having even entered the GW yet) and considering that Midora is pretty much an endgame character, I just don't see how the gap between them right now is anything but massive.

In a way, I'm thinking we're saying the same thing but ending up with different conclusions. If you want to compare Toriko and Midora, then yes, I think there's a HUGE difference in power; that's obvious. So yes, the difference between Komatsu and Toriko is smaller when compared to Midora and Otake. Here's the difference, and I realize now I didn't clarify this before (my bad)... I'm mostly talking about fighting power. Forget Komatsu and Otake's cooking skills. What I'm saying is Komatsu is considerably weak and that Otake is probably a lot stronger than we want to give him credit for. He's actually been in the GW already. So again, looking at it like that, if Otake really is Midora's partner then I don't think it's as "off" as we think it is.

Also, just to say again...I'm still with everyone on it being surprising and hoping there's some different result in the next chapter. I'm just giving an example of how it might make sense.



Lol Midora is like 100000.

LOL. Yeah, he's probably 3 times that. But like I said, I was just making up some arbitrary numbers. :)

[masubiladin]

I think that pet is just for transportation like granny setsu's apartment jelly. Doesnt look like it has any active attack. Maybe passive skills for defense?
Uhh dont remind me thats so annoying i got pissed at Toriko for interrupting what Rin was about to say on Terry's level!
Lol piss at the author.
Terry is like one of the coolest beast in the manga. It would be a waste if she cant do anything. I can also prove that in fact, Terry will be quite powerful.
Now, in this chapter http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Toriko/Toriko-15?id=3812 you should see a white shark-like beast that is in Jiro's menu. Keep in mind, this beast should be insanely strong to be in one of the 3 strongest character in Toriko.
Lets examine another appearance of this beast on http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Toriko/Toriko-44?id=4040. As you can see, the pact of battle wolf keep their ground against this beast. Although they might not be strong however in pact it seems like it is possible to fight evenly. Now is there any possibility that Terry will give birth? That would be awesome.

[Buggy]

^Nice find. Makes me wonder if battle wolf's meat is tasty and if someone maybe has it in their full course.

I notice on second page from your link that Terry had shown observation power not unlike what Toriko showed in last chapter. It seems that for Terry it comes from natural instinct to predict danger and react accordingly, and Toriko achieved that through food honor.

[Koen]

Red herring or not, that's the question

Is it midora? Looks like it but I ain't so sure that he is there to deal with Toriko
Maybe, he is just going to check out Toriko or maybe he is going to share him some important information which latter one doesn't like. Testing out if food honour is really dangerous and if it isn't? He may show his power by ending take's and chiyo's role

Or will he personally ask Komatsu to become his combo?

[Umbra Wolf]

You are being trolled guys, that's just Staajyun and he's grown his hair:P
Unlikely since Starjun has a different pet and it is not seen so far that someone has two pets. See here. (http://toriko.wikia.com/wiki/Starjun%27s_Beast)
Also Starjun is a vie chef himself.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Koen
Hope we'll see more of a talk in the next chapter.:) It would be interesting to see more of Midora and it would be great if he shared some info about himself or about Toriko. It might be also interesting for him to see Toriko's growth for himself as he should have heard about Toriko from his Vice Chefs like Grinpatch, Staa and Tommy. And it would be interesting if they are somehow connected.;)

[nyamonyamo]

Midora who had no interest in Ichi would have interest in Toriko? to him hes probably nothing =P btw ichi does look like killua's grandpa abit lol

[Buggy]

Unlikely since Starjun has a different pet and it is not seen so far that someone has two pets. See here. (http://toriko.wikia.com/wiki/Starjun%27s_Beast)
Also Starjun is a vie chef himself.

You have a point that Staajyun is a chef. So are Tommyrod and Grinpatch. However can you imagine them preparing delicious meals and honing their cooking skills? I doubt we will see them at any given time in such role. They went to get jewel meat, century soup and bb corn respectively like bishokuya do. It seems their main job is getting ingredients and not preparing them.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

nyamonyamo
He might be interested in Toriko's potential.:) We know that practically in no time Toriko get from the guy who barely made it alive from the fight against Tommyrod (only due to the fact that Tommy didn't go all out from the start and also due to Teppei's help) to an even fight against Chiyo who seems to be around Setsuno's level...

[Zehahaha]

nyamonyamo
He might be interested in Toriko's potential.:) We know that practically in no time Toriko get from the guy who barely made it alive from the fight against Tommyrod (only due to the fact that Tommy didn't go all out from the start and also due to Teppei's help) to an even fight against Chiyo who seems to be around Setsuno's level...

I disagree a bit about the whole Tommyrod deal... The guy speciality is long range to begin with, and uses bugs with quite some high capture level, and what's more, they were outnumbering Toriko. If it was a 1vs1 from the very beginning, and Tommyrod going close range as he did, I doubt he'd do damage to Toriko that much, also keep in mind, Toriko was close to settle the fight in his favor with Leg Knife and Leg Fork, if he had still more stamina, in no way Tommyrod would have been alive if you ask me. They were evently matched, that last performance of Tommyrod wad against a wounded, tired, unable to his arms, version of Toriko.

[Shounenfan]

No question about it: Midora's gonna pawn Toriko, unless:
1. Someone comes to save them ==> Who? Ichi is in GM, Jirou isn't strong enough (I guess)
2. He's not interested ==> He's gonna have some awesome information, otherwise he wouldn't be in the Human world.

[masubiladin]

I disagree a bit about the whole Tommyrod deal... The guy speciality is long range to begin with, and uses bugs with quite some high capture level, and what's more, they were outnumbering Toriko. If it was a 1vs1 from the very beginning, and Tommyrod going close range as he did, I doubt he'd do damage to Toriko that much, also keep in mind, Toriko was close to settle the fight in his favor with Leg Knife and Leg Fork, if he had still more stamina, in no way Tommyrod would have been alive if you ask me. They were evently matched, that last performance of Tommyrod wad against a wounded, tired, unable to his arms, version of Toriko.
lol A loss is a loss. Excuses is for loser. Toriko was weak so he got his ass kick. Before he learns food honor, he was the weakest of the four heavenly king. He had to try his best against lv 80s in the garlic arc while Coco was able to kick Livebearer's ass with no effort. In the shinning gourami arc, he had to rely on Sani the whole time. And Zebra, well self-explanatory.

[milek]

lol A loss is a loss. Excuses is for loser. Toriko was weak so he got his ass kick. Before he learns food honor, he was the weakest of the four heavenly king. He had to try his best against lv 80s in the garlic arc while Coco was able to kick Livebearer's ass with no effort. In the shinning gourami arc, he had to rely on Sani the whole time. And Zebra, well self-explanatory.


i dont think that toriko was that weak. he was been maybe 2 or 3. of course coco's poison is more effective than toriko's punch. what would you like more to get poisoned or to take a punch. and with suni in shinning gourami arc, toriko was going to use shield but as i remember he told him not to use it and suni learned to use instinct!! and that had influence to suni like food honor to toriko

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Zehahaha
I think it was quite clear that Tommy didn't want to go all out as he didn't want to show his real strength to Toriko as at the begining he didn't see him as an oponent that deserves going all out. http://www.mangareader.net/349-49646-9/toriko/chapter-88.html
On the link above you can see that after all damn beating from Toriko Tommy was just pissed and not actually wounded, while Toriko lost his hand. Of course Toriko managed to chop Tommy's hand, but it wasn't a planned, but mostly spot on dessicion, while it was quite obvious that his other attacks had close to no effect on Tommy. If Tommy used all his strength from the start Toriko would have been dead in a blink of an eye. And Tommy seemed to be the weakest of Vice Chefs. And if not for Teppei Toriko would have been dead.

P.S. I'm Toriko's fan, but still before this Arc Toriko never gave an impression of being superiour to his oponents.

[Zehahaha]

Zehahaha
I think it was quite clear that Tommy didn't want to go all out as he didn't want to show his real strength to Toriko as at the begining he didn't see him as an oponent that deserves going all out. http://www.mangareader.net/349-49646-9/toriko/chapter-88.html
On the link above you can see that after all damn beating from Toriko Tommy was just pissed and not actually wounded, while Toriko lost his hand. Of course Toriko managed to chop Tommy's hand, but it wasn't a planned, but mostly spot on dessicion, while it was quite obvious that his other attacks had close to no effect on Tommy. If Tommy used all his strength from the start Toriko would have been dead in a blink of an eye. And Tommy seemed to be the weakest of Vice Chefs. And if not for Teppei Toriko would have been dead.

P.S. I'm Toriko's fan, but still before this Arc Toriko never gave an impression of being superiour to his oponents.

As I said, you disregard what happened before that moment, we all knew that long range fights were Toriko's weaknesses, and Tommyrod knew that and didn't want to get close to Toriko. Toriko taunted him many times so that he can get close, but Tommyrod was no small fry to fall for such a thing. How many times did Toriko say " Come here yourself Tommyrod ? ". That's just the proof that if Tommyrod got into his " all serious " mode and began close range fighting, I doubt it would've been so easier for him, he went into that mode only after Toriko was absolutely exhausted, lost one arm, unable to use the other one. And don't think that Tommyrod was just pissed, he was extremely weakned as Teppei said himself " If you weren't wounded, I'd had have the choice of knocking for you ".

Yes it was Tommyrod's victory anyway, but that's because most of the fight Toriko couldn't manage to hit him until he was tired obviously...



lol A loss is a loss. Excuses is for loser. Toriko was weak so he got his ass kick. Before he learns food honor, he was the weakest of the four heavenly king. He had to try his best against lv 80s in the garlic arc while Coco was able to kick Livebearer's ass with no effort. In the shinning gourami arc, he had to rely on Sani the whole time. And Zebra, well self-explanatory.

You can't compare between someone who uses poison as his fighting style and therefore doesn't need " brute strenght " as Toriko, and between someone who has like 300000 arms (as Guemon said, Sani's peelers work like they're some arms), and between who uses freaking sound as a weapon. Different fighting styles, for example : Sani wouldn't be able to beat Coco at all, same for Toriko, because he's poisonous, while Zebra can because he's long range fighter. Any creature would have trouble with a poison man anyway, so that's one bad comparaison you made...

[Buggy]

As I said, you disregard what happened before that moment, we all knew that long range fights were Toriko's weaknesses, and Tommyrod knew that and didn't want to get close to Toriko. Toriko taunted him many times so that he can get close, but Tommyrod was no small fry to fall for such a thing. How many times did Toriko say " Come here yourself Tommyrod ? ". That's just the proof that if Tommyrod got into his " all serious " mode and began close range fighting, I doubt it would've been so easier for him, he went into that mode only after Toriko was absolutely exhausted, lost one arm, unable to use the other one. And don't think that Tommyrod was just pissed, he was extremely weakned as Teppei said himself " If you weren't wounded, I'd had have the choice of knocking for you ".

Yes it was Tommyrod's victory anyway, but that's because most of the fight Toriko couldn't manage to hit him until he was tired obviously...


I agree completely. Tommyrod was clearly stronger than Toriko and everybody knows that, but not by a huge margin. Toriko was at big disadvantage because long range is his weakness and Tommyrod was using just that. He was well aware of Toriko's strength and didn't want to put himself in danger. As soon as he got him in melee he connected few good shots. Tommyrod went all out and pounded on Toriko who was already at his limit after fighting off a million crazy bugs.

For the argument that if Tommy went all out from the beginning he would have destroyed Toriko - who EVER in manga goes all out at the beginning of fight? If that were the case fights would last three panels max. You don't use all your strength to defeat opponent unless you absolutely have to and don't reveal your trump card that easily.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Zehahaha

As I said, you disregard what happened before that moment, we all knew that long range fights were Toriko's weaknesses, and Tommyrod knew that and didn't want to get close to Toriko. Toriko taunted him many times so that he can get close, but Tommyrod was no small fry to fall for such a thing. How many times did Toriko say " Come here yourself Tommyrod ? ". That's just the proof that if Tommyrod got into his " all serious " mode and began close range fighting, I doubt it would've been so easier for him, he went into that mode only after Toriko was absolutely exhausted, lost one arm, unable to use the other one. And don't think that Tommyrod was just pissed, he was extremely weakned as Teppei said himself " If you weren't wounded, I'd had have the choice of knocking for you ".

Yes it was Tommyrod's victory anyway, but that's because most of the fight Toriko couldn't manage to hit him until he was tired obviously...
Tommy didn't want to fight in close range not because he didn't want to get beating from Toriko, but because he didn't need to punch himself, when he has strong bugs. Still it was obvious that Tommy's real physical attacks were stronger than his bugs. He chopped Toriko's hand with his teeth and purely dominated Toriko in speed department and in terms of stamina and durability.
As it was shown on the link I've given above, all the Kugi Punches that Toriko performed on Tommy were rendered useless even though they landed. They only pissed Tommy and because of that he used his full power to take down Toriko quicker. Of course Toriko managed to chop his hand, but that was not due to the logic of the fight, but it was on the other hand an attack that he created on the spot, while he was loosing his conciousness.
And of course Teppei said to Tommy thathe was wounded, because Toriko managed to chop his hand, but he didn't have any other wounds from Toriko, when Toriko got different wounds from Tommy even before he got serious.


You can't compare between someone who uses poison as his fighting style and therefore doesn't need " brute strenght " as Toriko, and between someone who has like 300000 arms (as Guemon said, Sani's peelers work like they're some arms), and between who uses freaking sound as a weapon. Different fighting styles, for example : Sani wouldn't be able to beat Coco at all, same for Toriko, because he's poisonous, while Zebra can because he's long range fighter. Any creature would have trouble with a poison man anyway, so that's one bad comparaison you made...
It's not that easy. Actually Toriko said that he has antibodies to different types of poison, so I don't think that it would be that easy for Coco to win against Toriko, especially if they fight in open air.;) Toriko has now tons of ranged attacks and has clear superiority in speed, durability, stamina, while Coco doesn't last long with his techs.:)

Buggy

For the argument that if Tommy went all out from the beginning he would have destroyed Toriko - who EVER in manga goes all out at the beginning of fight? If that were the case fights would last three panels max. You don't use all your strength to defeat opponent unless you absolutely have to and don't reveal your trump card that easily.
I wouldn't say that Tommy's trumpcard was his real physical power. His real trumpcard was that hybrid insect that he used against Teppei.;)

[Shadoguardian]

Personal Prediction:
* Midora appears, and takes Ootake with him.
* Midora kills Chiyo in a messy manner, for "failing him," ending the battle.
* Everyone is horrified, but no one dares try to stop him.
* Ootake calls Midora his combo, but the Boss doesn't actually acknowledge it out loud.
* Chiyo's Knife falls in front of Komatsu, who picks it up and claims to hear the "voice" of the Knife, saying it accepts him.
* Bishokukai leave, believing that they have more-or-less accomplished their mission.
* Master Chin and several of the Assistant Managers are dying, with the only way to truly save them from their wounds is to eat a "prepared" Bubble Fruit.
* Komatsu decides to take the challenge, telling Toriko to gather some Bubble Fruit.
* Komatsu gets the Fruit, and using Chiyo's Knife, prepares them. He uses a method similar to what Ootake did to him, cutting the fruit within, without damaging, or popping it.
* Komatsu saves their lives with the Bubble Fruits.
* Chin recovers and tells the combo Chiyo's reason for turning to the Bishokukai.
* Everyone eats at Disappearing Cuisine, this time with Toriko and Komatsu eating the full course, as well as eating the Bubble Fruit prepared by Komatsu.
* Chin allows Komatsu to keep Chiyo's Knife.

[VashDaStampede]

^^^The more I think about it, the more I like your prediction about Komatsu getting Chiyo's knife. This might set in motion Komatsu becoming extremely skilled in certain types of specialty knives (in the kitchen and in the "wild"). It may become his "thing". I mean, he's already in good with Melk the 2nd. Just a quick thought.

[llydnarz]

I don't think Midora would kill Chiyo just for that reason. Chiyo is a national treasure so she's in Setsuno's level. And we all know that Setsuno is stronger than some if not most of Midora's minions.
He gathered all those chefs because he needs them in the GW. So I doubt that he would kill the strongest of them all just because of a single failure.

[masubiladin]

I don't think Midora would kill Chiyo just for that reason. Chiyo is a national treasure so she's in Setsuno's level. And we all know that Setsuno is stronger than some if not most of Midora's minions.
He gathered all those chefs because he needs them in the GW. So I doubt that he would kill the strongest of them all just because of a single failure.
I completely agree. Chiyo is too strong to be discard like that. What also interest me is how Chiyo consider human to be not worthy for her knife to cut. I doubt Toriko will win Chiyo. However i would not say he will go down without a fight. Assuming Midora wont stop their fight.

[Buggy]

Boss Midora doesn't strike me as a person who would kill his subordinates mercilessly just like that. We haven't seen him interact with any of his subordinates except Alfaro, and very brief convo with President to make a better conclusion. From what we've seen he doesn't involve himself much as he bothered to move only when President arrived. It looks like he doesn't strive to have everything in Bishokukai under his control, and leaves that to his officers. He seems to care, even if very little, for his men, seen when he advised them not to engage Ichiryu, not reprimanding them after their skirmish and taking action for them to improve their cells. However the reason might be that all he wants is GOD, and he views them only as tools in reaching that goal.

Having said all that, I believe he is only concerned with getting GOD, and doesn't really care about anything else. But, if something hinders him in that endeavor, he will show no mercy.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I believe he won't kill Chiyo as it really serves none purpose, hence I believe he will try to talk to Toriko or he might try to learn his current level by himself, otherwise I don't know his reason for coming. Maybe he knows Toriko somehow? Maybe they are really connected by blood or by some other relation? Maybe Toriko is Ichiryu's grandson?
I hope we might see a bit of an action on part of Midora and then we'll have a talk.:) It might be even interesting to have several chapters of talk. Hope it won't end like Ichiryu's and his talk.:)