(When) will Kenichi become a master?

[Shounenfan]

We all know God-hand's disciple was nearly at Master-level when he got defeated/let himself be defeated by Kenichi.
So my question is: why is Kenichi still at disciple-level, I mean he wouldn't be a Ryouzanpakou master, but still...
And another question: will he EVER become a master? Because if he is, he's gonna have to fight the 1 shadow at some point, wich means we're in for a 1000+ chapter long manga or a major lame-ass time skip!
Btw: I wanna see him train again, it's been such a long time!

[kkck]

Who says kano was anywhere near master class? If anything pretty much the entire manga suggests that he was so far away from it that its not even funny. Kenichi has grown significantly stronger since he fought kano and miu was supposed to be just as strong as he was and even now they have run into people significantly stronger than either of them who are still not anywhere near master class. Remember tanaka? He is at the high end of the expert class and even then he almost killed kenichi and miu admitted neither of them would have a chance against him. For that matter, tanaka being at the high end of the expert class was not as strong as fortuna who was at the lowest end of the master class.

Also, since when is kenichi supposed to fight yami? Kenichi is not supposed to do that, even the most worthless master class fighter would give him such a beating it is not even funny. Kenichi's enemies are the yomi guys, his fellow disciples. If kenichi ever fights the one shadow it won't likely be the current one but whoever takes over for the next generation of martial artists.

[Shounenfan]

I remember a page where The God hand said Kano was beginning to evolve into master class. This was when he was dodging the rubber bullets!
And yes, his opponents are currently the disciples, but imo, they are like the "human world" in Toriko as yomi is the "gourmet world".
In the end he's gonna have to fight some masters, is he not?
And yes, perhaps the next one shadow, but with him being Miu's father now, and he wanting to protect Miu, maybe in a distant future!
Btw: what good disciple doesn't surpass their master(s)?

[kkck]

What was actually said was that kano's body functioned in the same manner as a master class body. Still, the level showed by kano is nowhere even vaguely near to master class and if tanaka hadn't left the tournament he would have pretty much won easily.

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Also, the issue here about kenichi fighting a master is that kenichi himself is so far away from the master class it is barely funny. Pengulu was merely an expert and alone he would have more than easily killed kenichi or miu. Fortuna was at the lowest level of the master class however even from that kenichi is way too far away for kenichi to reach. Tanaka has been doing martial arts for god knows how long and is bordering his 20s and he still hasn't reached even fortunas level...

[Buggy]

Kano Sho couldn't have been close to master level for one simple reason that he would need to be expert level before getting to master level.

As for if Kenichi will become a master, judging from the manga development, I have a feeling that he will stay disciple and at the end of manga maybe become expert and then we see him years in the future being a master at Ryozanpakou training his disciple. Just a guess.

[BASED Shinigami]

Kano Sho couldn't have been close to master level for one simple reason that he would need to be expert level before getting to master level.

As for if Kenichi will become a master, judging from the manga development, I have a feeling that he will stay disciple and at the end of manga maybe become expert and then we see him years in the future being a master at Ryozanpakou training his disciple. Just a guess.

He's already ascended to the expert levels he's not at an disciple level anymore at least not since his fight with Tanaka or Kokin

[blackmidnight]

He's already ascended to the expert levels he's not at an disciple level anymore at least not since his fight with Tanaka or Kokin

Why does everyone think ken is no longer in disciple class? hes a disciple therefore hes in disciple class tanaka has no master and trains himself, the way i see it once you ascend to expert class your master would have way less to do with your training from there on id say its more guidance than teaching them anything after you hit expert class its about walking down the path on your own since its the journey to master class. As for ken reaching master class i dont think it will happen, however i can see in the last 2-3 chapters of the manga matsuena will do like a 10 year time skip with ken and the gang in their mid 20's all grown up and ken will be like inheriting ryouzanpaku as its new leader or they will at least be inducting him as a fellow super master. But na dude hate to break it ya but thats the reason the mangas called 'strongest disciple' not 'strongest martial artist' however i do think by the end of the manga (as in before the time skip at the end) ken will be like the strongest disciple and probably the closest to ascending to 'expert-hood' Right now im just hoping matsuena gets back to kens story and backs off on the master fights for a while they are cool as hell dont get me wrong but after ken basically getting his ass handed to him all this arc im syked to see him back in action kickn'' ass!

[BASED Shinigami]

You've misunderstood me :mono I didn't say he was an expert I said he ascended to expert levels in terms of martial arts ability. I am well aware that he is still a disciple learning from six masters and that wont change anytime soon, but that does not mean his level of skill and power is on a disciple level.

[Chojin]

All the above guys lack insight. He can never be with Miu unless he beats the Elder. Enough said. It is a shounen, not rocket science. He will become not only Master but super Master level even stronger than the Elder and his son.

[blackmidnight]

All the above guys lack insight. He can never be with Miu unless he beats the Elder. Enough said. It is a shounen, not rocket science. He will become not only Master but super Master level even stronger than the Elder and his son.

For starters even if he did surpass the elder he'd have to like train for decades to do it i doubt miu is going to wait till her mid 50's to be with ken in case you hadnt noticed hasnt really reciprocated proper love interest back or any hint that she even wants that kind of relationship with ken we just see her get jealous when some other chick hits on him (sigh women) Obviously its been tagged by matsuena himself as a romance manga aswell as action and martial arts so yeah their going to end up together. Also you pointed out how this is a shounen manga, correct and what happens in the shounen manga there is next to no full on proper romance going on till like the last 10 chapters. I also personally think the elders going to die at the eternal sunset so it wont matter whether he can defeat him or not anymore and mius dad has already given him the 'thumbs up' so basically all he's gotta do is get stronger than her than stay ahead of her and hes golden.

I also said i can see a 10 year time skip happening at the end of the manga so your incorrect saying that i never said ken wontl become a master, i said there wont be a lead up to it and it will only be a mini arc showing whats happened to everyone in the last 10 years. what your saying is the manga is going to continue on until he is such a master which is ridiculous the elder has said that the expert stage is the longest and roughest journey to becoming a master so ken has a long ways to go and it hasn't even been 2 years since he started training and were going on 500 chapters in soon. i like disciple fights more anyway theres more room for growth and experience to be gained. Their ore interesting than master fights thats for sure.

[Chojin]

What? Miu has shown him she loves him. She kissed him in chapter 423. But that is not my point, just correcting a mistake you made.

The main guy is going to become super powerful by some deus ex machina. This is always the rule in shounens. A guy with no talent rising to the top through effort and becoming most powerful of all, it is always the same in shounens. They all tell him he has no talent have you not noticed? Explain to me how he managed to beat all these super powerful guys who are also talented and train since kids, with just some weeks/months training in a dojo. Obviously logic fails, thus it is a shounen. But the main point is that he has to overcome the Elder to be with Miu and that does not change. No reason for time skip, just training to reach the expert level, after that is master level and after that is super master. Just a long manga is all. He has fought all the kids (almost all of them) he needs to fight new opponents eventually.

[kkck]

The manga is likely to end once kenichi is done fighting all the kids IMO. There are quite a few left including plot points. The ryuto being with kensei plotpoint, the atlanti and whatnot, kajima, rachel (plotpoint), kushinada (plotpoint), natsu (plotpoint). That being said, it is not and it has never been kenichi's role to defeat yami in the first place. The manga does not actually require kenichi to become a master or even an expert. The manga is about the disciple, its even in the title. Kenichi's role is to do the unimportant and beat the shit out of fellow kids while in the background his masters do the actual important stuff and save the world.

[Chojin]

Watch it happen.

[Buggy]

I take Elder's statement more in a joking manner. Elder is well aware that he can't prevent Miu from being with whomever she wants, and he wouldn't try to do that as well. It could also be interpreted as that he wants Kenichi to become strong enough to protect Miu.

[kkck]

Watch it happen.

Because it would make perfect sense for kenichi to become a master within the mid term? The issue at hand is just how overwhelmingly weak kenichi is when compared to master classes. Lets take a few things into consideration. The elder's 0.001% technique is more than a match for kenichi. Basically kenichi has been training and developing strong techniques and he is still not able to match a one thousand percent of the elder's power. Junazad is supposed to be an actual match to the elder and he is able to pretty much give the fodder treatment to super master classes (provided he does not let his guard down as he did a few times against akira). Akira is about as strong as sakaki a fellow super master class. The politician master was incomparably stronger than fortuna and even then a wounded sakaki who exposed his weak spots was able to give him the actual fodder treatment. Fortuna might have been at the lowest master class level however he was still a master class meaning that he is indeed strong enough to defeat tanaka who is almost master class. Tanaka, being only almost master class, was shown to be able to easily defeat kenichi(kenichi conformed to etiquette but had the elder not interfered kenichi would have been at least seriously wounded without a damn thing he could have done about it).

So... how does it make sense to kenichi to reach the level of super master classes? Its not like kenichi has to become a bit stronger, just reaching tanaka within the mid term would imply kenichi increased his strength tenfold. Of course, there are no radioactive spiders, superhuman serums, magic meteors, radioactive waste or even a magician for kenichi to even double his strength within the short term. More so, the manga is about the disciple, this is extremely important. The second kenichi stops being a disciple (which could even be a decent bit before even vaguely approaches a notion of being master class) the manga is plainly over (unless the author decides to continue it as "History's strongest master kenichi" which would feature a cowardly master shying away from the notion of confrontation only to suddenly beat the shit out of insane masters). Heck, kenichi's role in all of this is so far away from fighting masters that his masters have made a point of protecting him from them and outright telling him to run the hell away from them.

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I take Elder's statement more in a joking manner. Elder is well aware that he can't prevent Miu from being with whomever she wants, and he wouldn't try to do that as well. It could also be interpreted as that he wants Kenichi to become strong enough to protect Miu.

I agree with that. It just wouldn't make sense for the elder to actually mean that, it would imply miu invariably die a virgin and he would never get greatgranchildren. I mean, the elder is theoretically capable of giving the fodder treatment to any master with the exception of the one shadow, junazad and kushinada.... Just 4 people in the manga reach such a level.... kenichi's odds are pretty bad if he has to reach the strength that only 4/700000000 reach lol. The elder is strict and most likely simply does not want miu fooling around with the kid who lives a few feet away from her room. They'd be going at it like drunken awkward superstrong monkeys in the mid future if left to their own devices lol.

[wizzard]

I take Elder's statement more in a joking manner. Elder is well aware that he can't prevent Miu from being with whomever she wants, and he wouldn't try to do that as well. It could also be interpreted as that he wants Kenichi to become strong enough to protect Miu.

I could argue about that he can't prevent it :D
but a bit more on topic, I suspect it's gonna be near the end :) otherwise the title would go void.

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What? Miu has shown him she loves him. She kissed him in chapter 423. But that is not my point, just correcting a mistake you made.

The main guy is going to become super powerful by some deus ex machina. This is always the rule in shounens. A guy with no talent rising to the top through effort and becoming most powerful of all, it is always the same in shounens. They all tell him he has no talent have you not noticed? Explain to me how he managed to beat all these super powerful guys who are also talented and train since kids, with just some weeks/months training in a dojo. Obviously logic fails, thus it is a shounen. But the main point is that he has to overcome the Elder to be with Miu and that does not change. No reason for time skip, just training to reach the expert level, after that is master level and after that is super master. Just a long manga is all. He has fought all the kids (almost all of them) he needs to fight new opponents eventually.

The Dojo rules. Ocams` raizor :D

[Franckie]

The Shou fight was 100% plot. Kenichi only "won" because the plot demanded. Afterwards the author retconned the level of strength Kenichi showed in that fight.

As for the topic, Kenichi hasn't even trained for two years. He'll probably be top-tier by the time he graduates high-school, so when he's ~18ish.

[blackmidnight]

What? Miu has shown him she loves him. She kissed him in chapter 423. But that is not my point, just correcting a mistake you made.

The main guy is going to become super powerful by some deus ex machina. This is always the rule in shounens. A guy with no talent rising to the top through effort and becoming most powerful of all, it is always the same in shounens. They all tell him he has no talent have you not noticed? Explain to me how he managed to beat all these super powerful guys who are also talented and train since kids, with just some weeks/months training in a dojo. Obviously logic fails, thus it is a shounen. But the main point is that he has to overcome the Elder to be with Miu and that does not change. No reason for time skip, just training to reach the expert level, after that is master level and after that is super master. Just a long manga is all. He has fought all the kids (almost all of them) he needs to fight new opponents eventually.

And what proof do you have of that? the mang will end after he defeats all of yomi as it will be the end of his "disciple" days this manga will only cover his disciple fights dude im sorry but thats just the way it is for the manga to do what you want would take thousands of chapters its not ethical

[Chojin]

The manga will end with Kenichi beating the Elder's son or something along these lines. This is the manga direction. Only Kenichi has the power to change people and he does that through his fists. Chojin knows, please think carefully.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I think the manga will be quite long.:) And I believe it won't end with Kenichi beating all the Yomi as there are also Atlanti and it seems that Kenichi will also fight them.:) And I suppose that he will also become able to fight low-level Masters after he defeats all the Yomi and Atlanti.:) Also it might occur that there will apear another group of strong disciples (maybe from China or other country).
BNut I believe that by the end of the manga Kenichi will at least become low-level Masster.:)

P.S. Remember the phrase Akisame said to Kenichi:"You have no other option, but to become a Master. You've started a route and it's a route on falling into becoming a Master";)

[kkck]

Well, its not like a single yomi so far has shown something even remotely close to master level. Any of them would have been fodder to a master class or an expert class on their own and that much has not changed so far.

As for atlanti, I don't think kenichi will necessarily fight all of them. The shinpaku alliance is going to get some action here. Takeda is the disciple of a master class, he is bound to get some action here IMO.

[blackmidnight]

Well, its not like a single yomi so far has shown something even remotely close to master level. Any of them would have been fodder to a master class or an expert class on their own and that much has not changed so far.

As for atlanti, I don't think kenichi will necessarily fight all of them. The shinpaku alliance is going to get some action here. Takeda is the disciple of a master class, he is bound to get some action here IMO.

Actually the only way i can see the manga carying on after yomi is if ogata has truly beat 'teams' which surpass yomii which was his orignial goal. If the goth loli girl is already ahead of miu in speed i'd say their next encounter she'll be much stronger.

After seeing mius dad seems to still be a good guy to some extent i just dont think he'll make a good "final boss" ogata seems like the most likely final master he was the first super bad guy introduced and is probably the most diabolical of all the masters we've seen thus far jenezad was up there but i doubt he was as conniving as ogata just sadistic

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I believe Kenichi will become a Master and that's unavoidable. Especially since during the last Arcs his Masters continue telling him that there is no way out of his route to falling down in the World of Masters, so it deffinetly shows that he will become one. The question is when. I do believe that maybe by the end of the manga or maybe even a bit earlier he will become a Master.
Also about Yomi... How come they can't challenge a low-level Masters? If we remember on Despair Island Fortuna was taken down by Shinpaku Alliance. Of course he was a low level Master, but he still was one! And he was taken down even without Kenichi and Miu and most of Shinpaku Aliance was beaten up pretty much before the fight. And I believe everyone here agrees that Yomi are far above Shinpaku Alliance, especiallu after what we've seen in their fight against Shou and in the last fight against Lugh...
So it's not that impossible for Kenichi to become at least low-level Master before the end of the story. Ia also depends on Elder as he can teach Kenichi like half of his 108 Superhuman moves and that will easily make Ken-chan a low-level Master Class, cause just his physical capacities and each Elder's tech made him capable of taking down Yomi who are the strongest in low-level Expert class, so I do believe it's not that impossible for Kenichi to get considerably stronger with Elder's moves.

[kkck]

Well, taking in consideration what we have seen so far I don't honestly see how kenichi would reach the high end of expert class by the end of the manga. Neither miu or kenichi are even close to the high end of expert class and even then their combined efforts barely cut it to defeat someone like that. Kenichi even gets consistently the fodder treatment from miu.... The master class is something so far out there that even in the current scenarios it doesn't seem like it is possible for him to get there within the mid term. I would think that kenichi will become a master in his own right once he gets to 18 or something years old. Even the entire shinpaku alliance could barely hold their ground against a fodder master class and it was obvious that the master politician could have easily killed all of them and at that time they even had miu with them.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

The thing is that you tend to forget how weak and useless Kenichi was just about one year ago and now he can take any Yomi and win against most of them, not talking about Lugh, Kajima or Berserker as we don't know the extent of their power, but still when Kenichi learns just one move from Elder he already becomes way stronger than before and if he learns like 8-10 Elder's special moves like Seikuken, then he will deffinetly be at least at the level on which was that Tanaka guy who wants to kill Kensei and he seemed to be considerably close to low Master level.
Also we should take in consideration that Kenichi never fights serious. At least he never fights at his full power. The only time he actually unleashed his full power was when he was unconcious against Kano Shou and then he showed his real power and polished skills. If he can more or less bring out his current full power I do believe he can take Miu or any Yomi and at least tie with them in one on one battle.
And if he gets a low-level Master by 18 years old, then it's not that far as he seems to be only 2 years younger, so it's quite possible for him to do it by this age, especially since his opponents tend to become considerably stronger day by day, so he also grows faster.;)

[BASED Shinigami]

I don't know if I posted on this thread or not, but remember what's the title of this manga? History's strongest "disciple" kenichi. I find it incredibly hard to believe Kenichi will still be a disciple of Ryozanpaku while he ascends to master class status. Heck, Kenichi may not even ascend out of the expert class by the end of this manga. There's no way Kenichi will become a master in this manga. Perhaps in a spinoff or sequel manga that possibility would be more likely.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I believe Ogata Isshinsai was already around Master Level when he became disciple of Ryuozanpaku. Of course he wasn't an oficial disciple like Kenichi, but he learned quite alot of the moves from Elder and other Masters.

And about Kenichi... well during all the manga and especially the last chapters his Masters keep telling him that it's inevitable and he will continue to fall in the path to become Master, so I believe he will become at least low-level Master by the end of the manga. And obviously it doesn't seems to go any way close to its end.:) It already lasted more than a year for Kenichi, so it's even less than 2 years for him to become 18 and going along with his progress rate he can become a low level Master like Fortuna by 18. Especially if Elder teaches him like 8-10 of his 108 special moves.

[kkck]

If ogaata was master class at the time then he would not have been able to partake in the disciple fighting aspect of the battle back then though. If the ryozampaku guys meant for him to be the first disciple then he would have had to fight the yomi disciples at the time.

Now, if kenichi is maintaining the growth rate he is supposed to fight and reaching master class was within the realm of possibilities within the short or mid run then he would already be immensely stronger than any disciple. Remember his second fight with boris? Kenichi goes on about how boris can't defeat him now because he became much stronger only to have boris pretty much prove he also became much stronger during the time they didn't see each other. At the moment kenichi does have an insane growth rate however it is by no means enough for him to outclass his yomi peers. Miu has a significantly greater growth rate than kenichi (she even seems to have increased the gap between them recently) and even then she is nowhere near actual master class level.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

You said it yourself.:) In this manga everyone is getting stronger at the same moment, noone stops in their progress. But it doesn't mean that Ken-chan won't become a Master sooner or later. It just shows that anyone can become Master at some point as all of them grow.
Also I can't agree that Kenichi's growth is lower than Miu or other disciples. A year before (or a year and a half, cause I'm a bit lost in the timeline) Kenichi was weaker than an average high school student, while now he is among the strongest disciples, so how come his growth rate isn't the most impressive for now?:) I do believe that his Masters keep telling him that he isn't a talented one only because they don't want to praise him as they fear it might worsen his progress. The guy literaly managed to take down several guys who were training and fighting their entire life under Masters who are among the strongest in the World. So of course the same Miu is still better than Kenichi, but it's only because she was fighting and training her entire life and also all the members of her family were martial artists. It's her life and lineage, so of course she is still better with it. I also won't agree that she is too fat from Kenichi. Kenichi isn't serious most of the time. He also doesn't show mostly anything against girls and even against guys he doesn't fight at his best. Only several times in the manga he unleashed his full power and that was, when he was uncouncious. Especially against Kano Shou. He was quite impressed on how strong Kenichi actually is, when he is uncouncious. He stated that Kenichi's careing heart renders him from showing his true strength as a fighter.
Eventually I believe Kenichi will surpass Miu as this is manga about History's strongest disciple and well, it's Kenichi.;)

[ish3]

You said it yourself.:) In this manga everyone is getting stronger at the same moment, noone stops in their progress. But it doesn't mean that Ken-chan won't become a Master sooner or later. It just shows that anyone can become Master at some point as all of them grow.
Also I can't agree that Kenichi's growth is lower than Miu or other disciples. A year before (or a year and a half, cause I'm a bit lost in the timeline) Kenichi was weaker than an average high school student, while now he is among the strongest disciples, so how come his growth rate isn't the most impressive for now?:) I do believe that his Masters keep telling him that he isn't a talented one only because they don't want to praise him as they fear it might worsen his progress. The guy literaly managed to take down several guys who were training and fighting their entire life under Masters who are among the strongest in the World. So of course the same Miu is still better than Kenichi, but it's only because she was fighting and training her entire life and also all the members of her family were martial artists. It's her life and lineage, so of course she is still better with it. I also won't agree that she is too fat from Kenichi. Kenichi isn't serious most of the time. He also doesn't show mostly anything against girls and even against guys he doesn't fight at his best. Only several times in the manga he unleashed his full power and that was, when he was uncouncious. Especially against Kano Shou. He was quite impressed on how strong Kenichi actually is, when he is uncouncious. He stated that Kenichi's careing heart renders him from showing his true strength as a fighter.
Eventually I believe Kenichi will surpass Miu as this is manga about History's strongest disciple and well, it's Kenichi.;)


Something that can never be argued I 100% agree. I hope if this manga is a bit like (Tough) that part 1 ends soon with the disciple side of the story. Or if that's just the series as a whole which won't show him becoming a master until the after story that's okay too. The manga as a whole currently needs to tie up it's ends with this war that's coming soon.

[Franckie]

I don't know if I posted on this thread or not, but remember what's the title of this manga? History's strongest "disciple" kenichi. I find it incredibly hard to believe Kenichi will still be a disciple of Ryozanpaku while he ascends to master class status. Heck, Kenichi may not even ascend out of the expert class by the end of this manga. There's no way Kenichi will become a master in this manga. Perhaps in a spinoff or sequel manga that possibility would be more likely.

But Kenichi is the protagonist of the series, not his masters. If the Masters do the heavy-lifting of the series - as in Hayato defeating Saiga, putting an end to Yami, etc. - then Kenichi is 100% pointless to the story. Furthermore, at some point in the near future, Yami is going to acquire the upperhand in their conflict with Ryozanpaku because villains are only effective when they're an actual threat to the protagonists, and Yami isn't looking good right now since the good guys keep on winning. Kenichi becoming a master-class fighter is inevitable, it's only a matter of when the plot demands it.

[kkck]

I don't see how it could ever be argued that kenichi is meant to defeat a master here unless there is a 10 year timeskip at some point in the future. I mean, the master class is something altogether different from what kenichi can even conceive so far or at least it would seem that way. Kenichi has never actually fought important battles for that matter. He has fought a bunch of school bullies (irrelevant), he has fought ryuto (irrelevant), he has fought sho (irrelevant), he beat boris(irrelevant), he beat koukin (irrelevant), he beat ethan (irrelevant), and he has defeated a number of other people out of which the direct result has merely been a scratch to the pride of his enemies.

When kenichi fought boris what was actually relevant was whether akisame won against gaidar, not the other way around. Gaidar was the big time criminal who was an important cog in the yami machine. It was agaard who was a master and a member of the OSNF. It was diego who was planning to murder a bunch of big time folk at the cruise. Each and every person kenichi has risked his life to defeat has by all intents and purposes in fact been irrelevant and replaceable. Ryuto, boris, sho, koukin, ethan and jihan were all brats and disciples, they were not important and intrinsic parts of yami. Defeating the lot of them has not caused yami any actual issues in regards to their grand scale plans, defeating them only means a small dent in their pride. Realistically speaking even the notion that defeating a few masters could actually hold back the plans of an organization as large as yami is ludicrous because that is not how leadership actually works. Yami is a world wide organization which controls governments and massive amounts of money (rimi wears actual gold shoes and akira's disciples train with body sized tools made entirely out of gold). Does defeating the OSNF cut its funds? How can the organization ever be stopped if they continue to manage those funds even after defeating the OSNF?

Heck, boris has even pointed out that they could just ignore ryozampaku as they are just a meager group of six people. (http://www.mangareader.net/337-23772-10/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/chapter-266.html) Yami is not even fighting ryozampaku because they are threats, they pay attention to them because of pride. If they wanted they could just ignore the lot of them and have then destroy irrelevant bases for eternity. If anything, the only actual blow the ryozampaku guys might have ever dealt to yami was the information bit during the agaard fight however that was actually irrelevant to the stealing of information and the actual blow was dealt by nijima. So..... nijima in a single moment has done more damage to yami than every ryozampaku master combined times ten. And it might nor have been that big a deal as yami seems to be working about as steadily as always for the setting sun plan or w/e.

[bighawke5]

I think the story is "History's strongest disciple" hence, he'll be the strongest disciple class. Meaning he'll be stronger in the end then all yomi members.

I dont see him facing a yami master...maybe holding his own enough to flee while his own masters are around to intercept and protect him, but not enough to fight a master class...and even that feat will not be anytime soon.

The masters are all a little older for a reason. I dont think someone who recently started martial arts at the teenage year can become master class in that short time. The manga hasn't been THAT unreasonable thus far so i expect it to continue along that route.

I think the most we can expect from kenishi in the end is reaching Tanaka's level or maybe just a bit above it...not master class

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Well, Tanaka has gotten stronger compared to his sparing with Ken-chan and is currently reffered by Elder as being really close to Master class. Kenichi also powered up pretty much after he fought Tanaka. Of course he isn't that close to a Master, but you should remember that there are different Masters. The same Fortuna was Master as well and he was bitten by entire Shinpaku Alliance that wasn't at his full power... Of course Fortuna understimated them and was off guard, but still.
Kenichi already has some close to Master level traits like his endurance. It is reffered as being close to Master Class. I do believe that in two Arcs with just fighting against Yomi members and also learning some moves from Elder and other Masters from Ryozanpaku Kenichi can become quiet close to a low-Master Level.

P.S. You shouldn't forget:
1. We are talking about achieving garbage-Master Class for now.
2. Kenichi showed an insane growth-speed. He managed to become better than all the so-called geniuses who were training and fighting their entire lives.
3. Kenichi barely shows all that he has to offer. It was even stated in the fight against Kano Shou. He only comes to his best performance in two situations (when Miu is in danger and when he is unconcious).
4. After learning any of Elder's Special techs he became considerably stronger. Just by learning Korui Nuki he managed to take down Ethan quite comfortably.
5. Kenichi's Masters always say that he doesn't have options. He will become Master.;)
6. You should also remember that it's a shounen manga.;)

[kkck]

Even garbage master class has been shown to be extremely far away from kenichi's current level though. Take a look at tanaka. The guy was not even a master class fighter and even then he almost killed kenichi. Heck, being completely fair kenichi only supposedly won that fight based on a courtesy he gave tanaka. Tanaka at that point was not even a proper garbage master class fighter, being on the high end of expert class means that by all intents and purposes he was beneath any level of master. Pengulu was even strong enough to give miu the fodder treat alone and he was at an undisclosed position within the expert class too....

I am not questioning kenichi's insane growth but rather the gap he has to fulfill to be at any level of mastery. His growth rate being above average does not mean he is not lightyears away from mastery. Its not about his grown rate not being fast, its about the distance he has yet to fall into mastery being so massively and incomprehensibly large that even the speed at which he falls is not enough for him to make it to master is several years. Miu is the best example of how large the gap ultimately is regardless of how much kenichi grows. She is able to outright walk up to kenichi and plain murder him without significant trouble (shown repeatedly when she was manipulated by junazad) and even then she is supposedly at the same class as kenichi. She is not even at a level where tanaka would sweat against her and even then he is either a strong expert or garbage class master.

[Franckie]

All of you are forgetting that not even two years (!) has passed within the manga. Kenichi has only been practicing martial arts for probably less than 1 1/2 years. Kenichi went from zero to being on par with Shou within a year. He could very well reach master-class by the end of the second year, with the third year having him go from pseudo master-class to super master-class.

Ignore things like "reasonable power progression". It's clear by now that HSDK suffers from bad pacing, flawed power progression, inconsistent feats, etc. Matsuena decides how strong Kenichi is based on the plot's current needs. If the plot demands Kenichi be master-class next chapter, he will be master-class next chapter, regardless of the nonsense surrounding the writing.

[YorkieMccoy]

You might have to meditate on what i'm about to write because you might not understand where i'm coming from at first...

To be honest i don't even think considering the 'Classes' is neccesary, if you take that Kenichi is supposed to be histories strongest disciple and you consider disciple to be a class then you also assume that he surpasses what his masters were when they were top end disciples, if that happens then he is no longer part of this 'disciple class'. The name of the anime pretty much covers it if he is 'histories strongest disciple' then he is only as strong as every other 'maxed out' disciple... and that is a basic contradiction of terms, so in reality you cannot use the name of the anime to confine him to the disciple class when to become histories strongest disciple he automatically exceeds the disciple class...

In terms of how strong he will become i imagine he will indeed become ridiculously strong but the manga is likely to simply power him up depending on the enemy he faces, so if eventually he has to beat a master then he will become strong enough to do so, it won't just randomly happen there will be progression but as i said it all depends on who he has to beat. So in terms of whether he will become a master i would be inclined to say yes... the basic logic of the manga is that Kenichi beats one person then someone even stronger comes along, eventually he will fight and beat masters though the manga may simply show Kenichi to be that strong with some time skip at the very end after the main plots, or they may make him that strong within the main plots, it just depends on what the writer wants.

i'm looking forward to any feedback.

[vinhtran]

We are about hit a milestone where Kenichi will probably put a dent on Ogata........(then Ryozanpakto -spelling- masters will take over the fight)