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[kidopitz27]

http://cartoon.media.daum.net/webtoon/viewer/16752

RAW chapter is out

a cliffhanger but i think BHT is now activated :P

[GOOMOONRYONG]

OMG the face on the last page made me blow in my shorts!!!

[nanoclarkology]

Wow,what did GMR tell him. I believe that it was something from the videos he has been watching. I think we have only seen this once more (regarding the last panel) but I can't remember when. I so look forward to a translation.

[NAM61]

poor sera hope she will be okay especially with shwoons blood. but is the end what i think it is the black threshold tech? last page looked great wonder what he thought of when thinking of 9ad i think it was the BT tech cause of the panel of what looked like a monster or something.

[LoS]

GMR probably told him to protect those important to him, don't back down but go on the offensive to protect them.

Kinda irked Shioon isn't listening and instead fool hardy goes back. Also a cop out that he all of a sudden recovers from the brink of exhaustion to be able to use such a powerful technique. There really isn't any kind of rhyme or reason, or even logic to this story any longer. It's a shame, but I guess so long as it's fun or kicking ass it is reasonable.

[bighawke5]

well i dont wanna speculate BHT for shioon like everyone and their ancestors did every chapter since new waves started...but ima have to here...

Something...snapped(in his mind)


It may be BHT...


A beast was shown...metaphor to his state of mind right now....kinda like in dbz gohan's ssj2 transformation where a bird was shown flying away...metaphor of freedom as gohan let go and used full power

---------- Post added at 04:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:13 AM ----------


GMR probably told him to protect those important to him, don't back down but go on the offensive to protect them.

Kinda irked Shioon isn't listening and instead fool hardy goes back. Also a cop out that he all of a sudden recovers from the brink of exhaustion to be able to use such a powerful technique. There really isn't any kind of rhyme or reason, or even logic to this story any longer. It's a shame, but I guess so long as it's fun or kicking ass it is reasonable.
i thought last chapter she gave him a blood pill and mentioned that it would take a a bit ffor him to regain his strength? this is pretty linear if you ask me with how his blood's been purified as well in addition...

[4ghost]

After looking through this chapter there is something I really want to know...


Oh my god i'm starting to like him a little for doing that .Way to go man :zomg :teehee
does matzik1212 now love this doctor character.


GMR probably told him to protect those important to him, don't back down but go on the offensive to protect them.

Kinda irked Shioon isn't listening and instead fool hardy goes back. Also a cop out that he all of a sudden recovers from the brink of exhaustion to be able to use such a powerful technique. There really isn't any kind of rhyme or reason, or even logic to this story any longer. It's a shame, but I guess so long as it's fun or kicking ass it is reasonable.

Since we don't have a translation yet I can't really judge how foolish Shioon is in not listening to Sera yet. Although hopefully this entire incident will lead to him becoming a much more calm and collected character.

As for the part about Shioon going from brink of exhaustion to a powerful technique, it is not unprecedented in this story. The end of Part 1 illustrated just how serious the BHET can be. Goomoonryong went from seriously injured by a gunshot to owning many Munjus and other elite. Even if Shioon isn't on the verge of using the Black Origin Threshold, after his master he is the closest one to being able to achieve it.

[kidopitz27]

i think i saw that monster (the one with shadows and veins on part 1 ) and i think GMR said on that video that don't get angry (you will become the hulk :)) that will make you stronger but i could destroy yourself too.

[ChaoticKen]

Long time no see fuckers, I be back from my however-long-I-feel-like hiatus.

SeRa tells ShiWoon to keep going straight and turn the electricity on at the end, but ShiWoon is still sorta sore about the whole "I beat your mother to half-death" thing that the good doctor has going on. SeRa lays down the slapdown on ShiWoon, tells him to do so or they die here, and so on. ShiWoon comes to his senses, and starts going across...

But the good doctor isn't making it so easy for him, what with the taunting. He keeps mocking and taunting ShiWoon, and SeRa has to keep telling him not to listen. He.... a) reminds ShiWoon that he put his mother in the hospital, b) claims ShiWoon is running away and c) loudly proclaims how badly injured SeRa is.

ShiWoon reaches the end. He can't find the switch, but luckily, finds a door. He opens it to see...

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The good doctor reveals that there never was a friggin' switch on that side in the first place. SeRa just sent him that way to keep him safe, since she knew that was the only way to get ShiWoon to go to the other side. She pretty much endured the entire thing without screaming in pain so ShiWoon wouldn't get worried. She tells him to go, but ShiWoon's never been one for leaving others behind. The good doctor makes it easier by stabbing her, and asks ShiWoon if he's going to leave a dying person behind.

ShiWoon flashbacks to various scenes with SeRa, the last one being her asking him, "If I were to be in the same situation as Jini, would you come save me as well?"

Of course ShiWoon is really and truly pissed, and rushes the good doctor, who deliberately didn't kill SeRa so he could manipulate ShiWoon into not running away.

SeRa thinks that the wise thing to do would be running away and leaving her behind, but then again, it's this part of ShiWoon that attracted her to him.

ShiWoon flashes back on (I think) the phone message that ChunWoo left him, in regards to the HyunChunJiGong.
- According to ChunWoo, martial arts is a rational activiy.
- This is because moving without thinking is at odds with martial arts, which focuses on form and style.
- However, HyunChunJiGong is unique because it contains a style that focuses on emotion - especially rage.
- If you use it, due to (some jargon I'm too lazy to translate) you go mad.
- In essence, it's strong but you can't really use it, due to, you know, being insane.

ShiWoon, in his mind, tells ChunWoo that it's okay if he goes mad, as long as he has strength...

[Bludvein]

This can't end well. Did he not remember that Goom couldn't even tell friend from foe in that state? Even if he wants to protect Sera hes just as likely to finish her off. Although thats pretty much his only option atm considering his skill level, this could go very badly.

The only good part about all this is that we can expect some character development on the part of Shioon afterwards. Maybe he won't be quite so hotheaded and dumb afterwards.

[kidopitz27]

Shioon (hulk) rampage is coming hahahahahaha i hope he will kill the doctor because of what he said about Shioon's mother and i hope Cool guy is watching this one and the one moon school head

[toodlydo]

The best last page of New Waves by far ! Shioon truly going berserk should be a real treat to the eye with an artist like Park at work.


Shioon (hulk) rampage is coming hahahahahaha i hope he will kill the doctor because of what he said about Shioon's mother and i hope Cool guy is watching this one and the one moon school head
True. If the cool guy or that snobby guy leading the SUC walks in they would soil their pants. :D

[mup]

your right on that Kidopitz27 ha ha shinwoo mad (HULK) now im glad we got an explanation on the technique thanks again ChaoticKen

[Askmeabout]

This past few chapters is making shion the worst protaganist ever. Agreeing to a girl to fight in the dark while he is on his way to the door? shouldn't this be the other way around?

Another stupid chapter but that last page is sure fanservice.

[ChaoticKen]

Yes, what ShiWoon should do is fight to the death, invalidating SeRa's efforts to save him, making the whole thing meaningless. Obviously the girl should be protected, even if at the moment she's far stronger than him in his current state.

Not that he hasn't screwed up SeRa's plans by going back at the end anyhow, but at least it's not for some incredibly stupid reason like "guys shouldn't let girls fight".

[WEERG]

Expected this to happed wonder if the black and white technique will turn shioon into same demon form as his master that happened at the end of the breaker on the rooftop. The doc is going to get smashed to the groung untill there's nothing left.

[haegar]

thx @ ChaoticKen, not only for the overview but also for the excellent phrasing/choice of words, I loled hard despite not likeing what I read. So to summ up, we got what we all were thinkinking more or less:

Shiwoon gets saved last minute by Sera, gets his blood back, Sera sacrifices herself for him, he ticks of and is about to go rampage in black H&E tech.

For the first time in this great series I am annoyed with the plot design overdoing the drama, seriously, I dunno how exactly - but could the same results not have been achieved less predictably, less over the top, less no-lights-asspull, in short: LESS AWKWARDLY ? !?

I will not forgive this crap just cause so far the author did a great job and I am waiting for Shioon to let it rip like everybody else. Summing up my sentiments on this chap/summary:

:-_- MEH :no

[misogum]

breaker nw 75 eng
http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/86880_

[halfcrzy]

Wow Did it just happen? I know some people are saying drama. But hot damn. One of his harem finally admitted feelings for him, and he went bhe all in one chapter? Also thanks ken for the translation!

[haegar]

so when the doc sez "this is FOR the Sun-Woo" I am assuming there is no deeper meaning/conspiracy here and he just refers to Sun-Woo being outside of the alliance and him and SUC planning to destroy the alliance, right? :confused

after second read with trans, Well, still feel too much drama but this might at least be headded somewhere: You know what our boy is lacking atm? A proper master telling him not to take the short cut to power, and continously teaching him not only tech but also character. Reminds me of something Elder said in HSDK, about that stage above disciple and slightly below master class being the most dangerous one in terms of the student going astray: Shioon has enormous power reserves and a couple of master level techs, what he totally lacks is the frame of mind to properly judge when to use them. Though I guess his general good-natured disposition will keep him from the worst, when 9AD lost himself to the tech he had a lot more bitterness in his heart than Shioon, or at least it had been festering there for much longer ...

I think ultimately Shioon will surpass 9AD in being able to use the threshold without going insane - however not sure if this is the moment to do so, there should be some fallout/drawback coming with this decision. As I like Sera I just hope the auhtor doesn't make up for the last three so/so predictable chaps by pulling a serious suprise and having Shioon KILL Sera for real while in threshold - that sure would be a price to pay that teaches a lesson...

edit: also, while I am thankful for the quick trans, didn't A-Team do this? :confused

edit: oh forgot, what I'd like to see AFTER this, however it plays out, is Shioon takeing lessons from multiple masters, for the beginning that is, the Sun-Woo Elders and Sera's grandma :)

[kidopitz27]

now this is more like this :O

GMR version
http://read.homeunix.com/onlinereading/?image=The%20Breaker/The%20Breaker%20c049/The_Breaker_v7_123.png&server=nas.html

Shioon version
http://read.homeunix.com/onlinereading/?image=The%20Breaker%20New%20Waves/The%20Breaker%20New%20Waves%20c075/019.jpg&server=nas.html

sweet can't wait for the next chapter i think the doctor will get punched on the body and his body will burst like goku attacking king piccolo :)

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110513233252/ultradragonball/images/0/0e/Goku_kills_King_Piccolo.jpg ps but not like that one :) hahahahaha

and i hope that Shioon will not become Loki attacking Tony Stark(doc) with the magic stick and don't work at all :)


now i re-read the part when GMR is saying there are 2 version of Black Heaven & Earth tech one is getting power through Rage (BOT dark side) so i think what will happen is Shioon wants to use BHT but use the other version of BHET :) and now that i think of it GMR said KI is going reverse when you use BOT that means maybe that the BHET is more like yin and yang you have to balance each other to make it work

[blaise]

Black origin threshold has got to be one of the final techniques explained in gmr's videos. Meaning shioon learned most if not all of the techniques. I'm holding on to hope that shioon will suprise us with some of that stuff while in his b.o.t rampage. Finally! His training counts for something!
Any ideas what will happen when the 'highest level ki in murim' goes in reverse?

[toodlydo]

The chapter was released quite quick.

@haegar
I think you are right. The doc said that "it is for the Sunwoo Clan" and "I didn't kill this b!@#$ just for you." It seems like there is a secret plot to let shioon unleash his potential because it is well known that BHT reverses the KI flow and is triggered by rage. Maybe the reversing Ki flow or the side-effects of BHT could help fix Shioon's broken KI center.

[haegar]

^ actually what I meant/ think is that there is NO secret plot - or at the least that the Sun-Woo, regardless of what Doc is sprouting, is not involved in this. I find it hard to believe that at this point any of the Elders of Sun-Woo would want to push Shioon into using threshold - for one they should not even know that 9AD taught him that, too, and even IF they knew, it is a risky business and by now all of them should be happy with Shioon the way he is: They initially wanted but a figurehead and surpisingly ended up getting a figurehead who can truly move people /make them follow him, who is morally sound and displays proper Murin spirit and who can (or could with Ki center restored) fight very well for his level of experience - why should they take such an insane risk of loosing the good leader they now have to the threshold ??

edit: granted, his lack of Ki and thus full fighting potential is a drawback to them - but they never "expected" that of him in the first place, they already got much more out of him than they were barganing for when they nominated / accepted him at beginning of new waves ... I mean he even impressed Jeannie's bitter old gramps, even him I can't see takeing such an insane risk in colaborating whith a character like Doc, of all people ...

I think either Doc simply hinted at his/SUC's intent to destroy the alliance or he is doing some psycho warfare here, trying to drive a wedge between Sunn-Woo and Sera's folks by misleading her/ Shioon in case they escape him...

[S-H-I-G-U-R-E]

I'm a bit disappointed, but whatever. I'll be "patiently" waiting for next chapter.

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

and i hope that Shioon will not become Loki attacking Tony Stark(doc) with the magic stick and don't work at all :)

Let's hope that won't be the case. That'd cause some epic facepalming around here :notrust

About the whole "This is for the Sunwoo Clan", I don't thinkt this has anything to do with intentionally trying to push Shioon into the Black Origin Threshold. Rather, I think it's one of the following:

1. SUC/the doc were planning to use the "Shioon ingredients" to become stronger and then invite the Sunwoo clan to join them. It is well-known that the Sunwoo Clan has a deep dislike for the Martial Arts Alliance, so to assume that they would join SUC in destroying the Alliance and create a "new" Murim where they'd hold greater influence is perhaps not too far-fetched...

2. One of the Elders (probably one of the two whom Shioon hasn't interacted much with) or someone else within the Sunwoo Clan is working with SUC and the doc mistakenly believes that this person's opinion is representative for the Sunwoo clan.

3. The doc has been told by others in the SUC that the Sunwoo Clan is working with SUC - which isn't true, but for some reason the Doc believes this and therefore he thinks he's basically working for the Sunwoo clan.

4. But there's also the fourth option - the doc's just talking crap to put Sera off-balance. Let's recall that when Won Jae threathened to snitch on him to the Sunwoo clan, he seemed uncomfortable about this, so it makes it somewhat unlikely that he actually believes he is doing something the Sunwoo Clan would approve of.

[tayrin]

If i remember correctly both 9AD and his master entered the thershold unintentionnally. Shioon on the other hand is trying to enter it, I wonder if that will change the outcome and maybe give him a small measure of control.

As for the whole working for the SunWoo clan, It could have something to do with the girl for the first breaker who gave Shioon control over the clan. She did go with the bad guys.

[haegar]

^ she went with the soldiers of fortune working for the bad guys and working with 9AD - while those guys are clearly mercs they didn't seem all that bad - it remains to be seen if they will follow 9AD into darkness after he snapped so completely ... at the very least the driver guy should watch over her honestly? :confused

[toodlydo]

Let's hope that won't be the case. That'd cause some epic facepalming around here :notrust

About the whole "This is for the Sunwoo Clan", I don't thinkt this has anything to do with intentionally trying to push Shioon into the Black Origin Threshold. Rather, I think it's one of the following:

1. SUC/the doc were planning to use the "Shioon ingredients" to become stronger and then invite the Sunwoo clan to join them. It is well-known that the Sunwoo Clan has a deep dislike for the Martial Arts Alliance, so to assume that they would join SUC in destroying the Alliance and create a "new" Murim where they'd hold greater influence is perhaps not too far-fetched...

2. One of the Elders (probably one of the two whom Shioon hasn't interacted much with) or someone else within the Sunwoo Clan is working with SUC and the doc mistakenly believes that this person's opinion is representative for the Sunwoo clan.

3. The doc has been told by others in the SUC that the Sunwoo Clan is working with SUC - which isn't true, but for some reason the Doc believes this and therefore he thinks he's basically working for the Sunwoo clan.

4. But there's also the fourth option - the doc's just talking crap to put Sera off-balance. Let's recall that when Won Jae threathened to snitch on him to the Sunwoo clan, he seemed uncomfortable about this, so it makes it somewhat unlikely that he actually believes he is doing something the Sunwoo Clan would approve of.
Your last two points has me convinced. It does seem like the doc is not officially working with Sunwoo clan. He had shown some fear/discomfort while talking about the Sunwoo clan as well. But that statement "This is for the Sunwoo Clan" just bothers me.

Must be the doc is getting to me too. I was.......ugh ugh ....................... *dead* :cheez

@haegar
I think I completely misunderstood your tone in my last post. :P My bad.

[haegar]

^no prob :)

btw I do wonder, what WILL happen IF Shioon cannot control it? somebody will have to constrain him if he goes on a rampage? Maybe THAT would be the cue for Sera's grandma to show up after all? Or maybe the Sun-Woo did some investigating and will show up in the nick of time on their own volition? Somehow I don't see the Ilwolmoon guy (edit: damn, his name just skipps through ma brains... Da... something? He had so much screentime recently but somehow I just can't get a hold of him XD) having either the guts or the skills to supress a raging Shioon :cheez

[NAM61]

nice he finally is doing what a lot of us predicted he would go into the black origins threshold tech. he is pissed he will probably use the form and kill the doc and possibly injure cool guy he is bound to appear along with the member in the skeleton costume. next chapter should be crazy

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

Your last two points has me convinced. It does seem like the doc is not officially working with Sunwoo clan. He had shown some fear/discomfort while talking about the Sunwoo clan as well. But that statement "This is for the Sunwoo Clan" just bothers me.

Must be the doc is getting to me too. I was.......ugh ugh ....................... *dead* :cheez

Heh, we'll see in the next few chapters, I guess.

In any case, after reading A-team's translation as well as the other one, I think I see from where people are getting the suspicion that the doc's intentionally trying to get Shioon to enter the Black Origin Threshold. On page 16, the doc says:

"I intentionally kept myself from killing her with a single stroke, just so I could lure you back in"

"'cause I know fully well what your body's condition is like!!"

Now, if you look at the words from a certain angle, it might seem like he's intentionally trying to anger Shioon to get him to enter the Black Origin Threshold, since he supposedly could just easily have swept past Sera and gone straight for Shioon... Then again, the whole "I know fully well what your body's condition is like" could just mean that the doc knows that Shioon is too weakened to fight him effectively and doesn't have a working ki-center - an assessment that will be thrown out of the window once Shioon enters the BOT.

Still, the idea seems like a longshot to me. I mean, just a couple of chaps back the doctor was intent on "harvesting" all of Shioon (blood, skin, bones, etc), and now suddenly he's supposedly trying to get Shioon to enter the BOT? If that's it, then I call the sheningans on the author. Not the least because him making Shioon enter the BOT would spell certain (or almost-certain) death for him in the current circumstances...

[braveheart655]

1. It's surprising that nobody has realized what the blood is actually for. Clearly it was meant for Sosul. The Doc is working with Black Forest Defence. BFD hired him to create pills for SUC and cure Sosul. They've probably offered him to resurrect his School.

2. Given the scope of the incidents, BFD want to cure Sosul, seize the control of the Murim via Sunwoo Clan, Sosul and GMR. Also using a threat like SUC, they probably aim for the control of Korean government. And they can't accomplish any of it without the god of destruction a.k.a. GMR.

3. I've mentioned before that it'd be great to see a glimpse of Black Origin Threshold with Shiioon. He doesn't stand a chance against any of his enemies if he doesn't attain it. After all, he might even have to fight agains GMR. But Shioon's BOT might not be as destructive as GMR as Shioon is not as physically developed as GMR.

4. Using BOT also might be the most effective way for Shioon to fight as he doesn't have a continuous supply of Ki. As of now, he can only utilize it for a short period of time. So, he can take a pill/injection, get the Ki, enter BOT, kill the bad guys and get out of BOT when his Ki runs out. But the story is kind of in disarray as GMR and Shioon are both taking the RAGE route in their martial arts.

5. In the following chapters, Shioon will enter BOT, messes the Doc up, in the meantime the bodyguards of the Ilwulmoon guy will enter through the open door to get him out of there but Shioon also messes them up, and then he runs out of Ki after the effects of the Doc's injections wear off. Then they all end up in the hospital, as usual.

6. By the way, Sera taking the lead position in the harem race is somewhat exciting :cheez

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

BRAVEHEART655: Yes, the Sosul-angle is defintively a possibility too. That way, the doc COULD claim that he's working for the Sunwoo Clan (using the "Sosul is the TRUE head" angle, sorta). Of course, that probably sort of makes him the loser either way, because if Sosul/Goomoonryong ever heard of it, then he'd be in deep shit... Just like he's now.

[Askmeabout]

Yes, what ShiWoon should do is fight to the death, invalidating SeRa's efforts to save him, making the whole thing meaningless. Obviously the girl should be protected, even if at the moment she's far stronger than him in his current state.

Yes, fighting without vision sure is a cake I bet her "skills" is effective in the dark and shion probably notice this "power gap" thats why he let the doc stab her to death instead of him, anyway I was wondering if people think that shion fighting the doc will result to instant death.. is our protagonist that easy to kill?

Still a stupid chapter but hope you guys enjoyed the last page.

[haegar]

mh, only problem with that theory is that Sosul is definetely on Shioon's side and would subvert the SUCs /BFDs efforts as soon as she realizes what is going on. As such is the case they would be much better of with her being "weak" and pliable than with her being healed and powered up via the pills extracted from Shioon.

[matzik1212]

Whoa she slapped him :o This chapter made me consider Sera a little . It really happened again . Shioon has that something that makes everyone wanting to give their life for him . She was in such a state yet she withstood the pain to save Shioon . Really worth the praise ..but i still hate her lol

Also I wonder what that alien meant by saying he's doing that for the sake of the Sunwoo clan ;) Could it be there is someone in the Sunwoo who wants Shioon dead or something ? This is really intriguing . :darn


The final part was awesome . Will we finally see Shioon using one of the techniques left by 9AD , the Black Origin Threshold ? :zomg The final page looked like he really might do it , i hope that wasn't a bluff :wtf
If that were true maybe after using it and coming back to his senses his Ki center would heal or something :D I know it's a silly thought but i want that to happen :nod

[braveheart655]

mh, only problem with that theory is that Sosul is definetely on Shioon's side and would subvert the SUCs /BFDs efforts as soon as she realizes what is going on. As such is the case they would be much better of with her being "weak" and pliable than with her being healed and powered up via the pills extracted from Shioon.

I don't think the Doc, BFD and almost all Murim have no idea that Sosul likes Shioon. Hell, even Shioon doesn't know it. People just assume that Sunwoo get him to be the new head simply because he was the disciple of GMR.

@DarkLordOfKichiku
If the Doc and GMR are both working for BFD, then maybe the Doc just assumes that BFD can protect him against GMR after Shioon dies. He might take a risk like that for a very generous reward.

[bamf]

Just thought I'd leave these here: http://i39.mangareader.net/the-breaker/67/the-breaker-1482726.jpg http://i995.mangareader.net/the-breaker-new-waves/75/the-breaker-new-waves-3358855.jpg

Really good chapter in my opinion. I don't think there is any doubt that Shioon will enter Black Origin Threshold (is that right?) at this point, considering the immense similarity between the two images. We've already seen him come close in the car with Young Gi Bum. (I'm terrible at these names.)

I also like the parallels of Shiho being shot and GMR entering BOT and Sera getting stabbed and Shioon entering BOT. Points to Sera as Shioon's girl, and strengthens the assumption that he'll be entering BOT.

Part II officially passed up Part I in chapter-count a few releases back. Keeping in mind that Part I ended with a broken ki center as a result of BOT, I'm thinking Part II will end with Shioon having a recovered ki center via BOT, and with Shiho healed. It puts him in the Christ-like savior position, succeeding where GMR failed (sanity recovered, friends saved, girlfriend alive, just leadership).

Edit: a quick thank-you to A3S for the great scans, keep up the good work. My procrastination depends upon it. :verily:yourock

[thornofcarrion]

Pretty intense chapter, especially the end made me :arf. Although, I have never been much a fan of Sera but I felt bad seeing in such a state.

[Jammin]

Man, I loved this chapter.

Being the huge Sera fan that I am, my reaction was of course...http://www.laymark.com/l/o/06.gif-->http://www.laymark.com/l/o/16.gif-->http://www.laymark.com/l/o/02.gif


Shioon Harem Plan Stage 1......Complete!

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I saw the "Go on ahead, I'll be fine(while secretly doomed)" thing coming at about page 2 but that didn't diminish it one bit for me. The next time people wonder what I find lacking about female characters in Naruto this is what I'm going to point to. Such an awesome moment.

@matzik1212
Do you think the day will eventually come where you will miss that awesome sig/avatar set? (Whoever did that pulled the best prank ever, by the way:teehee)

[GOOMOONRYONG]

Not really happy with this chapter, I really don't want to see Shioon become another 9AD and there are times where I feel this will happen. I understand Shioon is pissed about what happened to his mother but I wanted to see him gain power in his own way and not like his master did.

[halfcrzy]

Hahaha firstly i wanna say, the last page would be an awesome troll page to add vegeta in the bottom corner yelling its over 9000! But im surprised to see some people question the doc. He WAS going to kill shioon, so i cant see him trying to help him go BOT at his own exspense. Next sunwoo is that semi renegade clan. By destroying MAA it helps sunwoo aswell. Lastly, about sera, a dead hostage is a useless one. Keeping her barely alive makes shioon desperate thinkin he will be stupid after. The last thing i need to really say is; ITS OVER 9000!!

[mup]

Not really happy with this chapter, I really don't want to see Shioon become another 9AD and there are times where I feel this will happen. I understand Shioon is pissed about what happened to his mother but I wanted to see him gain power in his own way and not like his master did.

sorry if i sound rude but im not sure i get you shinwoo is just using the black origin threshold and we found out in this chapter that
it work with emotions and anger is one of them so i dont know where your getting the idea
of shinwoo being 9ART

[haegar]

Not really happy with this chapter, I really don't want to see Shioon become another 9AD and there are times where I feel this will happen. I understand Shioon is pissed about what happened to his mother but I wanted to see him gain power in his own way and not like his master did.

To be fair, he might very well still end up doing that once he gets a brief taste of master's way - though in a way his "new" way might end up being a "whitewash" of master's way I get your point ...

[FrostyMouse]

It was interesting. Going into the Black Origin Threshold should heal his Ki Center, assuming that as the flow of ki is reversed, that would heal damage or reverse things.

I don't know, we'll see what happens. I'd rather see Shioon kicking ass than sitting around whining.

[mup]

wait im confused when 9art said the ki get revered how does it change ?

[NAM61]

Not really happy with this chapter, I really don't want to see Shioon become another 9AD and there are times where I feel this will happen. I understand Shioon is pissed about what happened to his mother but I wanted to see him gain power in his own way and not like his master did.

we all knew this was bound to happen it happen to 9ad teacher and to him it is the curse of the bh techs. it is his power as well he learned the tech passed down form student to teacher dont get why you said it is not his way when he learned form 9ad. i have been waiting for this to happen since we saw 9ad doing it at the end of part one.

i think shwoon will try and crush the doctors head like 9ad dragon was trying to do to the murins alliance leader on part one. we saw him try to learn the foot stomp. he will try it but he will be stop either by master kwon showing up or by sera telling shwoon not to kill him. like shwoon woke 9ad from it

[mup]

i dont think it will be that easy to take shinwoo out of BOT not even kwon will be able to stop him let see how it play out shinwoo ki center is broken

[kidopitz27]

I don't think that the Doc really want's Shioon to use BOT i thing what he did on both translations are he stab Sera to make Shioon come back and the doctor know what is Shioon's body condition (he can't use martial arts) and he thinks that Shioon is really weak so he did that i don't think the doctor knew he will use BOT or he will use a uber powerful Soul Crushing Strike

i think what Shioon do is just focus BOT on his fist and use SCS (BOT i think is just a super steroid that powers up your attack but because you got crazy you can't use martial arts just basic attack like what Hyuk saw on the rooftop when GMR fights no form of martial arts just punch and kicks )

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

i dont think it will be that easy to take shinwoo out of BOT not even kwon will be able to stop him let see how it play out shinwoo ki center is broken

Well, BOT doesn't last infinitely. After all, Unwol was shown to regain his senses... AFTER he had slaughtered all those masters while in BOT. So, worst case scenario, Shioon's going to wake up in a pile of rubble and bodies. However, as you point out, Shioon is something of an enigma here - as he has a broken ki-center, it's impossible to say exactly how the BOT-state will affect him.

[blaise]

So far it seems that the previous users of the origin threshold have had rage as the emotion behind the technique. Since its an emotion driven process, its not out of the question to have a positive or affirming emotion control the process. Given shioon's personality, I think it would have been much better for shioon to be powered up by care/concern for sera. I think shioon might eventually control the technique like that.
This really reminds of the 'dou style' and 'sei style' martial arts personalities in hsdk. The former converts rage to power and the latter draws power from complete cold heartedness. I think there was a third, 'gedou style' which in my estimation transcends emotion.
I was rather hoping shioon's origin threshold would be like the third. Oh well:)

[GOOMOONRYONG]

sorry if i sound rude but im not sure i get you shinwoo is just using the black origin threshold and we found out in this chapter that
it work with emotions and anger is one of them so i dont know where your getting the idea
of shinwoo being 9ART

You can see it in his personality ever since he learned about his mother being hurt. The Fox even commented on how Shioon's face looked like 9AD when he declared that he would kill all of those S.U.C. bastards, while was similar to when 9AD declared war on the masters of Murim. Even the last lines of the chapter "I don't care if I go crazy, if I could only gain power" he sounds very similar to 9AD in that regard. The higher ups who met Shioon feared that 9AD had raised another dragon and in the recent chapters that certainly looks to be the case. I really hope it doesn't turn out this way but it seems like Shioon is beginning to walk down the same path as 9AD.

You don't sound rude it's fine to disagree with me, you are entitled to your own opinion.

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we all knew this was bound to happen it happen to 9ad teacher and to him it is the curse of the bh techs. it is his power as well he learned the tech passed down form student to teacher dont get why you said it is not his way when he learned form 9ad. i have been waiting for this to happen since we saw 9ad doing it at the end of part one.

i think shwoon will try and crush the doctors head like 9ad dragon was trying to do to the murins alliance leader on part one. we saw him try to learn the foot stomp. he will try it but he will be stop either by master kwon showing up or by sera telling shwoon not to kill him. like shwoon woke 9ad from it

Maybe it was bound to happen but I was really hoping that Shioon would be able to deal with the blows and still gain power and train without going crazy. I might be silly for hoping for that, oh well.

[tayrin]

Its still possible that Shioon won't go crazy. He has shown amazing ability in learning martial arts at incredable speed. He tries to do a technique an succeds almost imidiatly. i really think he will gain control over the BOT, maybe not right after entering, but I think he will regain control.

[Monsterguy]

Well, I was reading a lot of stories so far (my main interest lies with a story development, along with art that suits me or I like it), and I must say the breaker in part 2 almost took the wrong part in story development. So I almost reached my limit to where the story might become annoying to me. The author expanded dramatical events to the max untill chapter 70, where I personally almost felt it "that's enough", but is now comming back on the right curse(I'm glad I didn't stop reading it...:amuse), and am now getting the feeling that he is now settling itself down to a development that should be more interesting again, even for me...:derp

Still, why SERA ???
The author sure likes to torture me and is giving me shocks, almost to the point of heart attack...:faint:deadhorse

In first season it was Shiho, that got eliminated or better to say put in background of the main story, because she got shoot by a gun, and now it seems the same will happen with Sera, who was stabbed.

Why only my favorite female characters...:yelling:scry

[hr]


So far it seems that the previous users of the origin threshold have had rage as the emotion behind the technique. Since its an emotion driven process, its not out of the question to have a positive or affirming emotion control the process. Given shioon's personality, I think it would have been much better for shioon to be powered up by care/concern for sera. I think shioon might eventually control the technique like that.
This really reminds of the 'dou style' and 'sei style' martial arts personalities in hsdk. The former converts rage to power and the latter draws power from complete cold heartedness. I think there was a third, 'gedou style' which in my estimation transcends emotion.
I was rather hoping shioon's origin threshold would be like the third. Oh well:)
wow, interesting thinking, and yes I would totally like to see something like that...:wtf

[kidopitz27]

you can compare Sera to Shiho they are both attached to someone with a principle that if you hurt my love ones you will get hurt tenfold of what you did to them :)

[bamf]

The Sera-Shiho exists to show Shioon's path following the same one as 9AD. Since Shiho didn't die officially, it's extremely doubtful the Sera will, either.

I can definitely get behind the idea of Shioon transforming BOT into being driven by his feelings of camaraderie rather than rage. I highly doubt it's going to happen this time around, though, since Shioon has been driven by rage in nearly each of his fights he's had since he lost his ki center, not to mention the whole "I'll kill them all" bit.

Regardless of whether his ki center is recovered after all this, if he can enter BOT here, he can train it infinitely in meditation training until he figures out a way to control it. If any of you have read Negima, the main character did something extremely similar.

[blaise]

The way I see it, he could gain control of Origin threshold in one of two ways ( or both). Either replace rage with a benevolent emotion or the shattered ki center will end up being the secret ingredient to controlling the most powerful martial arts tech in murim. I would love either.

[mup]

what going to happen to the blood the mad doc took is it still going to go to the suc ? when shinwoo perhaps iinjure the doc so much that the suc plan goes on hold from the damage they took from shinwoo

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

what going to happen to the blood the mad doc took is it still going to go to the suc ? when shinwoo perhaps iinjure the doc so much that the suc plan goes on hold from the damage they took from shinwoo

What happens to the blood pretty much depends on what happens here, I'd say. After all, Shioon might demolish the place and beat both the doc and every SUC in the place into a bloody plup... Or the SUC are going to pull out when they see Rage!Shioon. In either cases, there's different scenarios for what's going to happen to the remaining amount of blood.

[kidopitz27]

i think BOT will not happen on Shioon because of Shioon's Ki center being destroyed GMR said that KI will get reversed if you use BOT but what will get reversed if there is no KI flowing? .

I think Shioon on the last page is just gonna use Soul Crushing Strike but a very powerful one and one thing is Elder Kwon said that revenge can power up or get more concentration for training and getting stronger but Shioon will not use BOT

[mup]

i think BOT will not happen on Shioon because of Shioon's Ki center being destroyed GMR said that KI will get reversed if you use BOT but what will get reversed if there is no KI flowing? .

I think Shioon on the last page is just gonna use Soul Crushing Strike but a very powerful one and one thing is Elder Kwon said that revenge can power up or get more concentration for training and getting stronger but Shioon will not use BOT

i would like an explanationon of the BOT first when he says reversed what did he mean if the BOT was so simple of just using your emotions than what make the BH&ET so difficult to use
if a broken ki center is the lost formula to make the BOT work than the suc are bound to get curious especially smug face of shinwoo and the BH&ET

[NAM61]

i think BOT will not happen on Shioon because of Shioon's Ki center being destroyed GMR said that KI will get reversed if you use BOT but what will get reversed if there is no KI flowing? .

I think Shioon on the last page is just gonna use Soul Crushing Strike but a very powerful one and one thing is Elder Kwon said that revenge can power up or get more concentration for training and getting stronger but Shioon will not use BOT

he should have some ki flowing in his body after what the doc did first to purify it then to keep him alive, also he thought of the tech this chapter there is a reason for that.

[Chojin]

Shioon using BOT..interesting !!

[Charlie]

Shioon using BOT..interesting !!

Wondering how far this will go in his current state - now he has pure ki running through him. All in all, lots of interesting things are going on inside him now that he has activated BOT. It is a shame that it has to be used against the doctor, who has stated he is not a fighter... although I'm glad to see this happen.

[thornofcarrion]

Wondering how far this will go in his current state - now he has pure ki running through him. All in all, lots of interesting things are going on inside him now that he has activated BOT. It is a shame that it has to be used against the doctor, who has stated he is not a fighter... although I'm glad to see this happen.

I am wondering if BOT can help him revive his Ki-centers. In an y case, I don't expect BOT in Shi-Woon's current state to be massive or anywhere near to 9AD.

[mup]

can someon help me does anyone have a different translation of the chapter i'm confusedon on 9art explaining the BOT

[braveheart655]

I don't think BOT can fix his Ki center. It's been continuously reminded us that a broken Ki center can't be fixed. Even the Doc admitted it after realizing that Shioon is basically a walking spirit medicine. I believe the only way to utilize Ki for Shioon is getting improved injections/pills to attain Ki circulation for extended periods of time (not just 30 minutes).

The best turn of events would be: Shioon entering BOT, messing up his enemies, controlling BOT/gaining consciousness before killing people/Sera (this stage would be where his skill in learning martial arts kicks in) and finally getting out of BOT when his Ki runs out. What is really interesting with BOT development is even if Shioon gets full control over it, he still has to train in the traditional sense to increase his physical condition to attain an even more powerful form of BOT. It could also be interesting to see him use the meditation technique to perfect BOT. After all, using meditation to practice BOT might be the only way to perfect it while being conscious. So, he would be conscious in reality but his image would be unconscious. Seems like the solution for the BOT riddle to me!

The way I see it, ultimately BOT will be the Breaker's Bankai (as in Bleach). In the Breaker 3, we might see Shioon start fighting usually and enter BOT whenever sh*t gets real.

[blennz]

I don't think BOT can fix his Ki center. It's been continuously reminded us that a broken Ki center can't be fixed. Even the Doc admitted it after realizing that Shioon is basically a walking spirit medicine. I believe the only way to utilize Ki for Shioon is getting improved injections/pills to attain Ki circulation for extended periods of time (not just 30 minutes).
god i hope not anymore pills and ill go crazy :gwah if that happens he's always going to be pathetic if he needs more pills. When it comes to a surprise attack he's going to be toast.

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

god i hope not anymore pills and ill go crazy :gwah if that happens he's always going to be pathetic if he needs more pills. When it comes to a surprise attack he's going to be toast.

Again people are forgetting chapter 70: The pills the doctor gave Shioon are SUPPOSED to have a CONTINUOUS effect. The doctor intentionally made them so that they'd work short-term only though. But what it means is that if Shioon takes any more pills, it should be one pill only - a pill which permanently allows Shioon to make use of the ki in his body the way the doc's/Sera's pills did.

[matzik1212]

@matzik1212
Do you think the day will eventually come where you will miss that awesome sig/avatar set? (Whoever did that pulled the best prank ever, by the way:teehee)

Let me tell you that my answer is NEVER :yelling

No freaking way am i gonna miss that (still curses the one who did that to me :arf) . Shioon yeah he's one of my fav characters , Sera i hate her but it didn't bother me to have her face as my avi ...but the sig was just too much for me *sob* I don't wanna remember :scry

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god i hope not anymore pills and ill go crazy :gwah if that happens he's always going to be pathetic if he needs more pills. When it comes to a surprise attack he's going to be toast.

I also hope the pills won't be needed anymore . I know it sounds crazy but i do put my 5 cents on BOT fixing his Ki center or at least this whole experience that Shioon went through will help him . :) As we saw BOT is a crazy technique . The amount of Ki must be immense as well . Maybe that will force his organism to auto-regenerate or something .

LOL i know it sounds crazy but i'm going crazy with this situation Shioon has been going through since 9AD broke his Ki center . I want to see the genius martial artist brought back to life :arf

[blaise]

Well shioon has practically almost died and come back to life, he's had his ki and blood removed from him, purified to such a level that his body was producing the highest level of ki ever recorded and returned to him, and now he's entered into the origin threshold, the most lusted after tech in murim which by gmr's own admission, still has some secrets that no one has ever discovered. If shioon's ki center is not revived after all that, then its never coming back period.

Still, ki center or not, shioon will still be able to use/circulate ki and practice martial arts because:

The pills the doctor gave Shioon are SUPPOSED to have a CONTINUOUS effect. The doctor intentionally made them so that they'd work short-term only though. But what it means is that if Shioon takes any more pills, it should be one pill only - a pill which permanently allows Shioon to make use of the ki in his body the way the doc's/Sera's pills did.

The ilwulmoon doc trying to help sera will probably make a permanent-effect pill for shioon in exchange for blood for shiho. ( And so that shioon will keep dearest grand pa kwon ftom obliterating ilwulmoon:hmph)

[haegar]

oh yes, he better fear the wrath of Sun-Woo Elders XD so should Sera once she gets out of the hospital for they will not so easily forgive being kept out of the loop - Shioon might have to do a lot of reconciling and negotiating to keep things peaceful - IF he will be in a state to do so after this :teehee

[bamf]

oh yes, he better fear the wrath of Sun-Woo Elders XD so should Sera once she gets out of the hospital for they will not so easily forgive being kept out of the loop - Shioon might have to do a lot of reconciling and negotiating to keep things peaceful - IF he will be in a state to do so after this :teehee

"Chill, Elder Kwon, everything's gonna be okay. She's my concubine"

[haegar]

^ Kwon: "0.o ...but I thought you and young miss Sun-Woo who gave you the medallion? ..and anyways Jinnie??? ... RARGHLBIKIKI SHOULD HAVE KILLED YOU AFTER ALL !!! outamysightorelseinstadeath !!!!"

[yonjuushichi]

Hmm, I thought popped into my mind. If Shioon is taking those miracle pills on a regular basis, it means he actually forces Ki to flow through all major chakras (ki centers). If the flow is maintained then it means that the body handles circulation, which furtherly implies that so-called shattered ki-center is fixable. Come to think of it. Shioon is a walking spirit medicine, how come it's impossible for him to self-cure? IMHO the longer he uses pills, the more that shattered ki centered is exposed to the influence of pure, Shioon's healing ki.....and that's why I think Shioon will have his ki-center restored on his own.
Right now, he might be able to sustain a semi-BOT like state, cause his anger will work just exactly like a pill. It will give him a boost.

I still remember a chapter when the old lady teaching Shioon meditative state was amazed and said that Shioon would be a monster if his ki center was working properly. Everything up until now revolves around Shioon's condition, so I believe it's time to see possible capabilities of TEH TRUE 9AD'S DISCIPLE

[haegar]

^ I was thinking a simmilar way to keep his meridians/Ki channels in use and to thus also repeatedly kick in his Ki center for a brief time would be the Elders doing what Sera's grandmother did: transfer their Ki into his body, and do so for a couple of weeks once a day or so, takeing turns to shift the load.(btw would be very interesting to know just how many days high level masters like the Sun-Woo Elders or Sera's grandma who have fully excerted/used up their Ki would need to "refill" their reserves...)

I might be wrong about this but it seems to me the Ki-center is kind of conceptualized as the battery/dynamo/Ki-generator thingy. Due to Shioon's special condition, his whole body, cells, vessels, blood and everything are infused with Ki, especially now after the Doc "purified it" prior to extracting the blood, thus he can heal abnormally fast physically - however, it seems Ki must be 'in flow' from the Ki center outward through the meridians in order for a murinim to function properly during a fight.

Temporary Ki-boosts, be it from the pills or from the full-power Ki-transfusion of a high-level master seem to give him the ability to use his Ki normally for a limited amount of time. I am thinking maybe we could look at the Ki-center as a "container" or "vessel" - one that in his case has a honkin big hole in it through which the Ki "leaks out" or "dissipates" before he can channel it out into the meridians, makeing it unusable... it also seems as if his recuperative powers cannot be used on the Ki-center itself as it is devoyed of Ki in it's damaged state...
Maybe the pills and the high level transfer "force more Ki into the container than can leak out through the hole" - if that were so, one might speculate that during those times that the container is temporarily re-filled some slow-going process of healing the damage done to the Ki-center itself might be at work - that would btw nicely explain how it can be possible that Shioon definetely has improved his level during New Waves - every time he uses some "booster" and performs proper martial arts and thus proper circulation, the hole in the container gets a little bit smaller...

This would also be a nice way to go with regard to future power levelling: I am all for him going more badass asap as atm he is pityful - however if his Ki-center were to be restored completely just now he'd have a simply enormous powerup coming in, in all likelyhood having mastered Smashing Fist and Feet Tech on a much higher level than he had back at the end of Breaker 1 with his Ki center intact PLUS possibly gaining Seismic Step and the lowest level of Black H&E threshold as an added bonus. That would put him up pretty high, maybe higher even than I would like to see him just now.

As I see it the story design currently offers two opptions for him to remain somewhat "limited" in his development, aka not get an overly ridicolous powerup:
a) the drawbacks of a failed Black H&E tech might make him much more careful in executing high level stuff, so he would limit himself or it might turn out he cannot yet truly perform threshold level1 properly after all
b) his Ki center gets "repaired" - but in a delayed kind of fashion: What doc did and him probabaly being about to use the threshold once with whatever success will speed up the Ki center repair, maybe the Ilwolmoon head even adds to that with his own medical arts - but it still might be that he can only use his Ki "so much" or "tires out" after a time - think of it as analog to certain physical injuries, you might be able to walk again on a complicately broken/shattered leg two months after operation - but it will take you 4 months till you stop limping and maybe a year till you can run the good ol' marathon again ....

edit: this would maybe also depend a bit on with whom he will be matched up for the final fight of New Waves, assuming their will be a part three I am thinking the confrontation with his master is for laters - so for this arc one might except him to go up against either one of the Chundomoon badasses - for that I guess he would need to master the threshold level1 in order to prevail? I cannot quite gauge the difference between the two of them but I think the older asshole is weaker than the younger guy Shioon already fought once in vol4? Not sure though, it was foreshadowed back then that they would fight again - but somehow I don't see the younger one as a bad guy, I think he needs Shioon's version of naruto-talk-no-jutsu and in the end will join Shioon's side - especially since the older Chundomoon head seems to be the one who is mainly behind SUC (together with the older mustache master Elder Kwon fought) - So I'm thinking Shioon's real opponent for New Waves might just be that guy ?

[blaise]

^^ I think the younger, hyuk so chun considered shioon shioon as a true rival from the moment shioon displayed his fighting spirit. That, and the fact that shioon's growth was impossibly fast even by murim standards and made it so that hyuk was greatly curious about shioon's true potential as a martial artist and began to admire him. There is no doubt that hyuk would be very pleased to find out shioon can practice martial arts. I'm very sure that he would like a rematch with shioon because despite his superiority over shioon, shioon's spirit greatly intimidated him and he feels he has to prove something to shioon.
However, you might be on to something with smug face. The author has introduced so jang (smug face) into the story as someone on hyuk's level and put him in direct conflict with shioon. So maybe instead of hyuk, so jang will become the guinea pig to demonstrate 'sungsenim's martial arts' (as shioon likes to put it). Like i said before, BOT is the ultimate of techniques so it can be assumed that it was one of the last videos on shioon's cell. Hopefully, shioon actually completed the video training.

[mup]

^ I was thinking a simmilar way to keep his meridians/Ki channels in use and to thus also repeatedly kick in his Ki center for a brief time would be the Elders doing what Sera's grandmother did: transfer their Ki into his body, and do so for a couple of weeks once a day or so, takeing turns to shift the load.(btw would be very interesting to know just how many days high level masters like the Sun-Woo Elders or Sera's grandma who have fully excerted/used up their Ki would need to "refill" their reserves...)

I might be wrong about this but it seems to me the Ki-center is kind of conceptualized as the battery/dynamo/Ki-generator thingy. Due to Shioon's special condition, his whole body, cells, vessels, blood and everything are infused with Ki, especially now after the Doc "purified it" prior to extracting the blood, thus he can heal abnormally fast physically - however, it seems Ki must be 'in flow' from the Ki center outward through the meridians in order for a murinim to function properly during a fight.

Temporary Ki-boosts, be it from the pills or from the full-power Ki-transfusion of a high-level master seem to give him the ability to use his Ki normally for a limited amount of time. I am thinking maybe we could look at the Ki-center as a "container" or "vessel" - one that in his case has a honkin big hole in it through which the Ki "leaks out" or "dissipates" before he can channel it out into the meridians, makeing it unusable... it also seems as if his recuperative powers cannot be used on the Ki-center itself as it is devoyed of Ki in it's damaged state...
Maybe the pills and the high level transfer "force more Ki into the container than can leak out through the hole" - if that were so, one might speculate that during those times that the container is temporarily re-filled some slow-going process of healing the damage done to the Ki-center itself might be at work - that would btw nicely explain how it can be possible that Shioon definetely has improved his level during New Waves - every time he uses some "booster" and performs proper martial arts and thus proper circulation, the hole in the container gets a little bit smaller...

This would also be a nice way to go with regard to future power levelling: I am all for him going more badass asap as atm he is pityful - however if his Ki-center were to be restored completely just now he'd have a simply enormous powerup coming in, in all likelyhood having mastered Smashing Fist and Feet Tech on a much higher level than he had back at the end of Breaker 1 with his Ki center intact PLUS possibly gaining Seismic Step and the lowest level of Black H&E threshold as an added bonus. That would put him up pretty high, maybe higher even than I would like to see him just now.

As I see it the story design currently offers two opptions for him to remain somewhat "limited" in his development, aka not get an overly ridicolous powerup:
a) the drawbacks of a failed Black H&E tech might make him much more careful in executing high level stuff, so he would limit himself or it might turn out he cannot yet truly perform threshold level1 properly after all
b) his Ki center gets "repaired" - but in a delayed kind of fashion: What doc did and him probabaly being about to use the threshold once with whatever success will speed up the Ki center repair, maybe the Ilwolmoon head even adds to that with his own medical arts - but it still might be that he can only use his Ki "so much" or "tires out" after a time - think of it as analog to certain physical injuries, you might be able to walk again on a complicately broken/shattered leg two months after operation - but it will take you 4 months till you stop limping and maybe a year till you can run the good ol' marathon again ....

edit: this would maybe also depend a bit on with whom he will be matched up for the final fight of New Waves, assuming their will be a part three I am thinking the confrontation with his master is for laters - so for this arc one might except him to go up against either one of the Chundomoon badasses - for that I guess he would need to master the threshold level1 in order to prevail? I cannot quite gauge the difference between the two of them but I think the older asshole is weaker than the younger guy Shioon already fought once in vol4? Not sure though, it was foreshadowed back then that they would fight again - but somehow I don't see the younger one as a bad guy, I think he needs Shioon's version of naruto-talk-no-jutsu and in the end will join Shioon's side - especially since the older Chundomoon head seems to be the one who is mainly behind SUC (together with the older mustache master Elder Kwon fought) - So I'm thinking Shioon's real opponent for New Waves might just be that guy ?

i disagree on the part where you said shinwoo having the lowest bot where the bot takes away your thought but is powerful im sorry but your making shiwoo weaker than he is let just wait for the chapter and see how it turn out and i apolgize if i was rude it your theory not mine you have the right to say what you like :)

[haegar]

^ thank you for appologizing but I wasn't offended, I was speculating, you are speculating, possibly we are discussing if we speculate differently, where is the problem? :p

I'm not sure if I make him weaker than he is as for the time being we do not know yet how strong he might get with the curretn development. BTW not sure next chapter will be enough to resolve that question completely. As for the BOT hype, I am baseing my notion of "lowest level" of the technique on the unknown weird guy from end of breaker1 who when watching 9AD let loose commented something like "this is BOT threshold, the FIRST level of Black Heaven and Earth" - thus assuming there are higher levels and also assuming that despite his seemingly genius like ability to pick up high level techs, Shioon will not start out into the Realm of Black Heaven and Earth from the top of that technique but rather the bottom - which both common sense and shounen law of powerleveling would dictate.

Though, come to think of it there is possibly something to be said for deviating from the plot norm in suddenly haxing up the protagonist - as that would likely come with heavy repercusions as he yet lacks the character/ emotional balance to wield such power without ultimately harming himself or others dear to him... Then again that would make him go down a path very similar to 9AD and that I don't like all too much ...

edit: @ blaise: I totally agree the fight with Hyuk so Chun (thx for the name, I should at least remember him :derp) will have to come at some point, it was foresdhadowed so strongly one might call it inevitable - I wonder though if it truly will be under the pretext of this current confrontation of Sunwoo and Chundomoon we seem to be headed for - we might be getting red herringed with the foreshadowing from Breaker 1.
Come to think of it I would like that - no matter how you turn it Hyuk So Chun is impressive - if he keeps on developing his skills at a similar pace to Shioon he might be the only one of the younger gen other than Shioon capable of getting close to 9AD's level ... I'd like him to make the right decission once the plotting of his elder bro and master are revealed - he might i.e. stand down from the fight similar to Sera refusing to kill Shioon - if such were to happen the two of them maybe could have their encounter under a more friendly pretext, in the next tournament maybe, that would be swell ...

[revanrevenger]

I don't think that shioon will go crazy from using the Bot. 9ad said in the last chapter that you go crazy because it causes your ki to reverse. I am thinking that because his ki simply isn't moving at all that means that Shioon will be able to truly perfect the Bot. I wonder if 9ad knew this and that is the reason he broke shioon's ki center.

[mup]

I don't think that shioon will go crazy from using the Bot. 9ad said in the last chapter that you go crazy because it causes your ki to reverse. I am thinking that because his ki simply isn't moving at all that means that Shioon will be able to truly perfect the Bot. I wonder if 9ad knew this and that is the reason he broke shioon's ki center.

i don't think 9art broke his ki center because he knew he just wanted shinwoo out of the murim
and the BH&T is an unsolve technique

@ haegar your right on BOT being resolved in time and i think 3 chapter will explan what step it take to start the BOT it time for shinwoo to kick ass once more

[4ghost]

Guess the delay allows me to make some prediction here. I think the doctor is going to be fortunate enough to realize that he miscalculated and severely underestimated Shioon's level of threat. He will then call in the SUC, creating a situation which seems to be a perfect showcase for the BOT. Just as his BH&E forefathers had done before him, Shioon will show how insignificant numbers are against BOT.