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goldb
July 06, 2012, 04:51 PM
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ghostexiled
July 12, 2012, 05:27 AM
Please do not start posting questions on when the manga will be released... it has been steadily released on Fridays.

If it does not show up by Saturday night... then you can ask where it may be.

Any posts that are like these will be deleted.

Thanks!

sarutobi_sensei
July 12, 2012, 05:46 AM
Sorry to post this here Ghost but I can see where people are coming from. Since other manga chapter have already been released people are interested in knowing if the FT chapter will be released sooner or @ the same time.

ghostexiled
July 12, 2012, 05:52 AM
That is fine to be interested in wanting to know.

That is why I said if we have not seen anything by Saturday, then you can start asking why it has not shown up yet.

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So I ask to just please be patient and you can start to worry when it is not out by Saturday. :)

Cool?

1337 haxor
July 12, 2012, 10:03 AM
Just to clarify so that people stop asking, Fairy Tail is on a whole different magazine than One Piece, Naruto and Bleach.

Fairy Tail comes out in the Weekly Shonen Magazine whereas OP, Naruto and Bleach come out in the Weekly Shonen Jump.

They have different release schedules so even if Bleach and Naruto came out earlier it doesn't influence Fairy Tail.

It is a commom mistake people make when the scanlation groups gets their hands on the Jump raws earlier and work their release to boot.

oddlucks
July 12, 2012, 10:25 AM
Pics out on MangaHead http://mangahead.com/Manga-Raw-Scan/Fairy-Tail/Fairy-Tail-291-Raw-Scan

TauCarlos
July 12, 2012, 10:49 AM
lol Lucy keeps getting matched with the most ruthless opponents! I predict Natsu and Gajeel are going to absolutely tear sting apart if either of them fight in the battle round. This is also screwing up what ever plans the knight has for lucy as she looks absolutely out of it

RaveDragon
July 12, 2012, 11:01 AM
^I would understand natsu but why Gajeel? (well, i guess he did become closer to ft now)

OMG those raws o-o I don't understand what my feelings are doing its lucy vs flare all over again...but why so violent only with Lucy (and not juvia) is it because she's on natsus team?

Lucy lost again, she's not going to be happy, but this makes sense to why she was bruised in the vision (she mustnt have healed completely from this) and why she got kidnapped so easily...

crimsonlink310
July 12, 2012, 11:07 AM
^I would understand natsu but why Gajeel? (well, i guess he did become closer to ft now)

OMG those raws o-o I don't understand what my feelings are doing its lucy vs flare all over again...but why so violent only with Lucy (and not juvia) is it because she's on natsus team?

Lucy lost again, she's not going to be happy, but this makes sense to why she was bruised in the vision (she mustnt have healed completely from this) and why she got kidnapped so easily...

Lucy got 8 points for her team so I wouldn't call it a loss. Natsu is pissed though so Sting better watch out next week. Heck I'm pissed off as well. Can't wait for the translation.

Newkerzy
July 12, 2012, 11:08 AM
Not really, as she's hurt that badly, it would be just perfect for him to kidnap her, as she's completely vulnerable now and she wouldn't be able to fight back.

Sting is definitely gonna get it. Natsu will kick his ass so hard he'll cry momma. Considering that there's been hints those two have gotten closer recently, you can bet he'll be even more pissed than during the Phantom Lord arc.

RaveDragon
July 12, 2012, 11:16 AM
Lucy got 8 points for her team so I wouldn't call it a loss. Natsu is pissed though so Sting better watch out next week. Heck I'm pissed off as well. Can't wait for the translation.

Ah yes true that,although i would still be a bit annoyed at what happened tbh. I mean when she lost her keys she must have been rabid with herself but i have to say kudos to her she did great ^^

im with you on that, Natsu vs sting should be epic!

TauCarlos
July 12, 2012, 11:16 AM
I think it's cause she resisted leaving the water bubble and made a nakama speech which pissed Minerva off since she probably shares the same ideals as her master about how strength pawns all. Regardless though I feel for lucy she has really been shat on in this arc, someone needs to wipe Sabertooth out, please just let there be an all out brawl right now screw waiting for the next matches I just want Sting, Oba even that master to cry just a little as they get pawned.

kkck
July 12, 2012, 11:19 AM
http://mangateers.com/manga/fairy-tail-raw/291/3/

Raw out on mangateers. I would argue it is a safer view than from manga head

Ero-Sanji
July 12, 2012, 11:19 AM
This chapter looks really good and I'm not saying that because someone from FT is losing, the only one I want to see taste defeat is Natsu but not in this arc, the Sabertooths are great antagonists that need to be put down. But, what I'm actually enjoying is Minerva who's actually delivering even though Lucy and Lluvia should have the greater advantage. Minerva looks promising! Too bad Lluvia is still treated as comedic relief yet again.

RaveDragon
July 12, 2012, 11:23 AM
I think it's cause she resisted leaving the water bubble and made a nakama speech which pissed Minerva off since she probably shares the same ideals as her master about how strength pawns all. Regardless though I feel for lucy she has really been shat on in this arc, someone needs to wipe Sabertooth out, please just let there be an all out brawl right now screw waiting for the next matches I just want Sting, Oba even that master to cry just a little as they get pawned.

I wouldnt be surprised since if i recall genma is her daddy right?

Just cry? I want that smirk rubbed of their faces (notice rogue is missing i think he's the only one i don't dislike from ST), wow, this chapter was freaky, it was epic for making me feel for a character so much but i really don't know what to think. Ive just seen one of my fav characters literally massacred, i think i see medics rushing in in the last page I don't think Lucy is doing too good.

kkck
July 12, 2012, 11:24 AM
Well, to be fair erza is bound to kick minervas ass during the next day. Its a shame for lucy though, I really thought she would be able to pull through this with aquarius. It is a shame that she did not do any spirit combinations with her, that would have been awesome. Can't wait for the translation.

RaveDragon
July 12, 2012, 11:26 AM
Well, to be fair erza is bound to kick minervas ass during the next day. Its a shame for lucy though, I really thought she would be able to pull through this with aquarius. It is a shame that she did not do any spirit combinations with her, that would have been awesome. Can't wait for the translation.

Maybe mashima wants to push lucy a bit and develop her? make her want to achieve more? After all initially she just wanted to have some experience for her writing skills and a dream for adventure and rent money xD (I mean if she could get some caster magic and fight with her spirits like that it would help)

TauCarlos
July 12, 2012, 11:40 AM
Flare was bad no doubt but this is the most damage I've seen Lucy take ever. I wasn't really satisfied with the way Raven Tail was taken out but Sabertooth has reached the level of hate I had for them if not gone passed it, so please Mashima lots of blood and tears is what I want.
Ugh, and the last page with Sting just makes me.. ugh no words really

hoeru
July 12, 2012, 11:44 AM
Hm... Arcadios is intervening to put their fight an end (http://mangateers.com/manga/fairy-tail-raw/291/23/). So, Lucy stays his target, or at least as backup target if Yukino is out of range?

RaveDragon
July 12, 2012, 11:47 AM
I guess he thinks its better to use both and have most keys, he looks flustered so id guess lucy remains his primary target which would make sense sinces shes got most keys unless it specifically has to be lucy for some reason

Zehahaha
July 12, 2012, 12:11 PM
Only normal for Lucy to lose, no way she'd beat someone like Minerva... Although I think Jubia could have done it if she was serious enough and not in " Gray sama " mode.

But I guess, she's like her father that Minerva... Anyway, I'm just waiting for that Natsu vs Sting match, I want Natsu to kick his sorry ass.

kkck
July 12, 2012, 12:26 PM
So do we have confirmation that lucy did loose? I mean, I saw the raw but I can't understand Japanese so as to tell whether she was already disqualified. Based on the chapter it seems like getting out of the water sphere is what would disqualify her but would her current position allow her to go back into the sphere and kick out minerva? I guess there is not chance of that being gemini lol. Its not like FT A can afford to not win at this point, there are only 40 points to duspute left and ST still has a big lead. Lucy already has 8 points in this match but they need everything they can get to catch up. I guess they can come close today if natsu defeats sting today though.

1337 haxor
July 12, 2012, 12:39 PM
A whole swimsuit fight chapter? Mashima is soo weak! :derp

Lucy wasn't meant to win, if she could beat or match Minerva she would be on Erza's level and that would defy any logic this manga had.

She put up a decent fight, it's just that Minerva is not like Chelia or other nice person who can afford a friendly match.

Fairy Tail members never step down, as long as they are conscious they will stand up to any beating and give even their last drop of blood to prove their point.

Minerva just took the vilaneous logical conclusion to deal with FT members, a no No-Holds-Barred Beatdown (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoHoldsBarredBeatdown) until her opponent is pratically dead.

This chapter was good, it finally gave the fuel needed for FT to truly hate Sabertooth, before that it was just guild silliness because ST kicked out a member because they are assholes but now that they messed badly with a FT member and laughted over it they will know pain.

Natsu and Stinger will fight and the later will get a beating as bad as if not worse than the one Gajeel took.

Stinger will be expelled of ST and Rogue will openly quit the guild in protest.

Hence I don't think we will have a Rogue vs Gajeel fight, there is no true evil in Rogue to fuel Gajeel's rage and a fight between them would most likely end in a draw.

I think Sabertooth has it's days numbered, after this tournament with many members expelled or leaving the guild the organization will collapse to it's previous state as an unknown guild.

pongy
July 12, 2012, 12:47 PM
Again based on my little japanese knowledge, here is a summary of this chapter:

- Naval battle game - when someone is out of water, he or she loses.
- Lucy uses Aquarius but Juvia uses cyclone water to even out. Aquarius goes for a date later.
- Juvia pwned most of them, but was pushed out by Minerva's certain magic (remains unrevealed in this chapter) when she got distracted. Juvia got 6 points for ranking third place.
- Lucy vs Minerva. Minerva steals her keys (by some unknown method) and Lucy can't use spell.
- Lucy tries to kill time, aiming for the final 5 minutes to run out, but pisses Minerva off when she mentions something like for the sake of everyone, she won't give up.
- Minerva rages on Lucy. Her attack was supposed to send Lucy out of water, but Minerva's magic somehow force Lucy to stay in the water. Minerva purposely doesn't want to let her out and keep attacking her.
- Last page, referee said Lucy's unable to move, and Minerva takes first place.

Based on this, Minerva's magic's probably something to do with black hole/teleportation.

RAYMONE614
July 12, 2012, 01:00 PM
HAS ANY1 THOUGHT OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT BEING GEMINI AND LUCY COMES AND SIMPLY BUMPS MINERVA OUT THUS CREATING MORE TENSION BETWEEN FT AND ST... JUST A POSSIBILITY (JUST DONT WANT LUCY LOOSING TWICE AND GETTING BEAT SO BAD LOL)

1337 haxor
July 12, 2012, 01:31 PM
HAS ANY1 THOUGHT OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT BEING GEMINI AND LUCY COMES AND SIMPLY BUMPS MINERVA OUT THUS CREATING MORE TENSION BETWEEN FT AND ST... JUST A POSSIBILITY (JUST DONT WANT LUCY LOOSING TWICE AND GETTING BEAT SO BAD LOL)

First of all, PUT DOWN THE DAMN CAPITALS!

Now, from what people translated, it seems Minerva took away Lucy's keys so she could not use Gemini or any other spirit to fight back.

K H Reborn
July 12, 2012, 01:41 PM
Maybe lucy pulled an Aizen and used gemini so Minerva were beating gemini instead
xD .

Darjaille
July 12, 2012, 01:43 PM
Oh dammit, that last page and Sting and the other one...................................... :smack

Yeah so I'm anticipating Sting vs Natsu the next chapter, though it might not happen. That one fight could happen as the last official fight, but now it seems the exact time for it. Natsu must be so, so pissed, and honestly I just want to see him 'avenge' Lucy and finally put the smirk off ST's face.

Juvia could be such a strong mage, but she's such an airhead /or something/ that she never really does anything, that's a shame.

After losing to Flare, and then after this, I think it's safe to assume that the last event there is for Lucy (the Eclipse plan thingy) will outweigh her losses. I want to see her shine for once.

kkck
July 12, 2012, 01:57 PM
So what would have happened had the timer ran out? Would lucy simply have tied with minerva? What would the tie entail? Both of them get 10 points?

RaveDragon
July 12, 2012, 02:04 PM
So what would have happened had the timer ran out? Would lucy simply have tied with minerva? What would the tie entail? Both of them get 10 points?

I'd say theyd have split the points or maybe they would have done a second small event for them like they did when erza trolled them all :derp

Jorge D. Dragon
July 12, 2012, 02:07 PM
I absolutely didn't expect such type of a fight.:)) But Mashima likes to show naked girls, so...
And of course it was a good showcase of Minerva's power. She dominated everyone with eaze. Though I agree with those who say that if Lluvia wasn't looking at Gray and didn't get out of the water, then she could have made quite an interesting fight as water is her territory, but...
And Lucy got a serious beating. If not for her getting out of the water she could have literaly died as Minerva seems too strong for Lucy. And her magic is really something and it might be a problem for most of the mages.

And I agree that Sting seems to be a classical bully and he really wants to provoke Natsu beyond any reason to make him fight in the most serious mode. I absolutely want Natsu to make him feel bad through a good old beating.:)

kkck
July 12, 2012, 02:44 PM
I'd say theyd have split the points or maybe they would have done a second small event for them like they did when erza trolled them all :derp

Splitting points makes no sense. Second and third place would have gotten more points lol. I guess a tiebreaker would have made more sense.

sarutobi_sensei
July 12, 2012, 02:53 PM
HAS ANY1 THOUGHT OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT BEING GEMINI AND LUCY COMES AND SIMPLY BUMPS MINERVA OUT THUS CREATING MORE TENSION BETWEEN FT AND ST... JUST A POSSIBILITY (JUST DONT WANT LUCY LOOSING TWICE AND GETTING BEAT SO BAD LOL)

Damn that caps lock.

Anyway, it would be awesome it that was the case, but I doubt it...

Still, Natsu vs Sting will be awesome :D Natsu will beat the shit out of him on the chapter they fight. And Laxus was pissed too.

Freid
July 12, 2012, 02:55 PM
Wow, Lucy was completely pulverized........ I don't even think I'd be satisfied with a general Sabretooth loss any more. I want each and everyone one of those Sabre-bastards eating dirt. They must each feel despair and regret for having picked a fight with Fairy Tail. Nothing would satisfy me more.

sarutobi_sensei
July 12, 2012, 02:57 PM
Wow, Lucy was completely pulverized........ I don't even think I'd be satisfied with a general Sabretooth loss any more. I want each and everyone one of those Sabre-bastards eating dirt. They must each feel despair and regret for having picked a fight with Fairy Tail. Nothing would satisfy me more.

And that is what I like in FT and One Piece. Whoever messes with them, ends up regretting it, sooner or later.

Natsu, Gajeel, Laxus, Erza and Gray will scare the shit out of Saber Tooth.

El Maco
July 12, 2012, 03:23 PM
On the last page, the guards are saying "Call a medic. It's urgent!". On some forums it was speculated that Lucy had died but that's highly unlikely considering that Mashima wouldn't even let Makarov die (two or three times now?). And then there's Charly's premonition...

Mashima was already teasing and trolling in a tweet Tuesday about the last panel where it says that "Lucy isn't moving. Will she be alright?".
I thought he had grown tired of the manga to concentrate on the movie instead, but he still has Layla and the dragons to explain. We'll see soon enough, I expect.

I doubt Lucy will participate in the remaining events though. That's for the DS/GS and all the other badasses.

kkck
July 12, 2012, 03:37 PM
Isn't it kinda unfair that jubia particupated in two events? Now there is 1 event left and laxus and mira have yet to participate. I can't help but wonder if the last event will be a two person kinda deal though. Of course if mira and laxus participate in a single event FTa is screwed.

Any clues on what the title for the next chapter is? I want to know who is up now.

RaveDragon
July 12, 2012, 03:39 PM
Isn't it kinda unfair that jubia particupated in two events? Now there is 1 event left and laxus and mira have yet to participate. I can't help but wonder if the last event will be a two person kinda deal though. Of course if mira and laxus participate in a single event FTa is screwed.

Any clues on what the title for the next chapter is? I want to know who is up now.

there is a tag battle left do maybe they'll participate together in that? or one of them will and the other will take on the last day surprise

SlayerKisame
July 12, 2012, 03:40 PM
Mangateers keeps trollin' me. They had the chapter up for 3-4 minutes, took it down, put it up, took it down. :hip

El Maco
July 12, 2012, 03:43 PM
Isn't it kinda unfair that jubia particupated in two events? Now there is 1 event left and laxus and mira have yet to participate.

Laxus defeated Ivan/RT and Mira-Jane did her bikini showoff.

RAYMONE614
July 12, 2012, 03:47 PM
First of all, PUT DOWN THE DAMN CAPITALS!

Now, from what people translated, it seems Minerva took away Lucy's keys so she could not use Gemini or any other spirit to fight back.

well it has been shown before that her spirits come out with out her calling them so i don't see why they couldn't come out with her keys taken away this time... again i doubt it but just wishful thinking lol

Ether
July 12, 2012, 03:51 PM
Juvia could be such a strong mage, but she's such an airhead /or something/ that she never really does anything, that's a shame.

Well actually, Juvia IS a strong mage, she just needs to go into rage mode.
As for the chapter.... ST really pissed me off ._. Damn they even managed to piss off Laxus. Looks like they're gonna get their asses kicked the hard way... Raaaagh! Right now I just wanna watch FT as they crush ST's will to live (would be such a relief to see Gildartz come and Crash their little arrogant smirks away, but not gonna happen obviously D: ).

Edit : chapter's out
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/291

sarutobi_sensei
July 12, 2012, 05:02 PM
Oh boy, they don't know what they are in to now.

So the knight was the one that stopped the match? Seems legit since he doesn't want to have Lucy dead. Well no one does.

Gajeel, Laxus and Natsu are royally pissed :D They will curbstomp ST :D

Can't wait for that moment. I actually hope it's a tag team match between Natsu and Gajeel vs Sting and Rogue and Erza + Laxus vs Minerva and Orga :D The other weakling can wait

Ether
July 12, 2012, 05:09 PM
Can't wait for that moment. I actually hope it's a tag team match between Natsu and Gajeel vs Sting and Rogue and Erza + Laxus vs Minerva and Orga :D The other weakling can wait

Actually I don't think it'll be possible to have such match up, as Natsu and Erza are from FT A and Gajeel and Laxus are from FT B.
And yes, it seems like the mages from ST, apart from the top 5, are pretty weak...

RAYMONE614
July 12, 2012, 05:11 PM
natsu+gray vs sting + rufus sounds pretty interesting... minerva+orga vs erza+ laxus does not sound possible (erza and laxus are from 2 diff teams)...

kkck
July 12, 2012, 05:15 PM
Well, sabertooth basically crossed a line here. I mean, the fact that lucy lost is not even that important here. Minerva went ahead and tortured lucy just because she happened to care about her comrades. Its not like lucy could fight back, she went full on against someone whom she had already disarmed. She didn't even bother to look whether lucy was alive and most of the guild laughed at the potential cold blooded murder of lucy. That's not just wrong, as each sabertooth member stands (except rogue so far) they are all a bunch of socipaths. I guess gajeel was at some point just as bad. As I read the chapter I just kinda hoped makarov would start fairy law-ing some asses but I guess its gonna happen later(if at all). Natsu is gonna get pumped up for when he beats the shit out of sting though.

I still can't help but wonder if this arc is having some sort of effect on laxus. The FT games arc was based on laxus wanting a guild pretty much like what sabertooth is like now. I wonder if that is going to play a part when he and orga finally fight.

On another note, I do feel mashima is trolling us now. I mean, randomly change the rules so that lucy gets not points? Wasn't it enough that ravel tail cheated?

zerocooldx
July 12, 2012, 05:19 PM
By the looks of it this was a bit of payback for what Natsu did by breaking into Sabertooth's camp and somewhat embarrassing them as well as just overall anger/irritation with FT for thinking that they are the only ones who cannot afford to lose or look bad. This was bound to happen eventually, they are the number one guild and its about time they started showing more signs of it with someone other then just Orga and Rufus. Also i find it very interesting that Rogue is rarely pictured with the other members of Sabertooth.

kkck
July 12, 2012, 05:23 PM
^Overall natsu didn't do enough for ST to want payback. He fought the entire guild head on and even then he was the one who had to walk out with his head down.

I wonder if aquarius will feel bad about what just happened. She was Layla's spirit and abandoned lucy in the middle of a fight where she was her main asset on a selfish whim. Even if she had a date, is that an excuse to be like this? She was helpful for a while but then she just quit on lucy like it didn't matter. Its not like this is the first time she does something like that however this time was specially serious. She can't just keep quitting and attacking lucy indefinitely right?

Rarhyx
July 12, 2012, 05:47 PM
1. burn aquarius key, lucy should relaese their contract
2. I want FT (A+B) to go on a rampage and cause a "battle royal" where they crush Sabertooth

zerocooldx
July 12, 2012, 05:49 PM
^Overall natsu didn't do enough for ST to want payback. He fought the entire guild head on and even then he was the one who had to walk out with his head down.

I wonder if aquarius will feel bad about what just happened. She was Layla's spirit and abandoned lucy in the middle of a fight where she was her main asset on a selfish whim. Even if she had a date, is that an excuse to be like this? She was helpful for a while but then she just quit on lucy like it didn't matter. Its not like this is the first time she does something like that however this time was specially serious. She can't just keep quitting and attacking lucy indefinitely right?

Of course Natsu did enough. He broke into their camp, messed up the place, attacked anyone in sight, proceeded to attack their guild master, and then told the guild how should act. Aside from directly spitting in all of their faces Natsu did a great job in embarrassing and insulting Sabertooth. Why do you think Minerva gently pushed out Juvia and left Lucy? Whose team is Lucy on? This was about getting payback for what Natsu did, and then Lucy made it even worse because in Minerva's mind she too insulted Sabertooth by making it seem as if only FT had something to lose by not putting up a fight and winning. Also i think this chapter made it clear that if every Mage in the bubble ganged up on Minerva that she would have still easily taken them all out. So Aquarius or any other spirit being or not being there is a moot point. Yeah its dumb that it happened, but the outcome would not have changed one bit.

Atobe the king
July 12, 2012, 05:58 PM
Ugh i never really like to see a female character get tortured like that :(. Last time it was just Natsu...but all of FT is pretty pissed at this point. And they reaaaaaally want us to hate sting lol

kidopitz27
July 12, 2012, 06:27 PM
i thought last chapter Sting said that tomorrow he feels like he will fight Natsu ? so what's this? and if the next chapter is title I'm Only Thinking of One i hope they mean that they only think one thing destroying ST in a single strike :)

1337 haxor
July 12, 2012, 06:56 PM
Next chapter will be the usual secondary match up stuff but I think the last fights will be Natsu and Erza vs Sting and Minerva followed by Laxus and Juvia vs Orga and Rufus.

It will be a bloody revenge for Fairy Tail, Erza and Natsu will suffer but they will beat Sting and Minerva so hard that Orga and Rufus will shat their pants when they face Fairy Tail B.

I also have a wild guess on who the pumpking guy is:

He might be Jose Porla.

kkck
July 12, 2012, 06:59 PM
Of course Natsu did enough. He broke into their camp, messed up the place, attacked anyone in sight, proceeded to attack their guild master, and then told the guild how should act. Aside from directly spitting in all of their faces Natsu did a great job in embarrassing and insulting Sabertooth. Why do you think Minerva gently pushed out Juvia and left Lucy? Whose team is Lucy on? This was about getting payback for what Natsu did, and then Lucy made it even worse because in Minerva's mind she too insulted Sabertooth by making it seem as if only FT had something to lose by not putting up a fight and winning. Also i think this chapter made it clear that if every Mage in the bubble ganged up on Minerva that she would have still easily taken them all out. So Aquarius or any other spirit being or not being there is a moot point. Yeah its dumb that it happened, but the outcome would not have changed one bit.

Well, he got into their hotel... It is not particularly a place which should hold meaning to the sabertooth guys. He took out a bunch of guys but that did not seem to be a big deal for sabertooth. Heck, the master even sent a guy to fight natsu. If they were pissed natsu attacked them like that it would not make sense to have someone else fight him just like that. He didn't just beat up their master either, he challenged him to a fight and he accepted for that matter. If minerva had been out there for payback though, would it make sense with the way she acted? I mean, she didn't start out fighting at full strength against lucy, she really went at her when lucy said something about team mates which annoyed her. If she had been out there for revenge then there would be no reason for her to wait for lucy to piss her off, she would simply have lashed out at her as soon as lucy was the only one left.

Not sure if that is the case though. We are talking about a huge elemental advantage here to say the least. Minerva would likely still have won however aquarius is indeed a powerful spirit (one that could overpower jubia at that).

1337 haxor
July 12, 2012, 07:09 PM
Well, he got into their hotel... It is not particularly a place which should hold meaning to the sabertooth guys. He took out a bunch of guys but that did not seem to be a big deal for sabertooth. Heck, the master even sent a guy to fight natsu. If they were pissed natsu attacked them like that it would not make sense to have someone else fight him just like that. He didn't just beat up their master either, he challenged him to a fight and he accepted for that matter. If minerva had been out there for payback though, would it make sense with the way she acted? I mean, she didn't start out fighting at full strength against lucy, she really went at her when lucy said something about team mates which annoyed her. If she had been out there for revenge then there would be no reason for her to wait for lucy to piss her off, she would simply have lashed out at her as soon as lucy was the only one left.

Not sure if that is the case though. We are talking about a huge elemental advantage here to say the least. Minerva would likely still have won however aquarius is indeed a powerful spirit (one that could overpower jubia at that).

I will point out the most likely reason for Minerva's brutality, it was a massive intimidation tactic because Fairy Tail has grown to be a real threat to their supremacy.

In the beggining of the competition those guys were laughted at and lost in an arguably comical fashion, however, as time went on they smacked every opponent they faced and stole the public's attention from Sabertooth's strenght to Fairy Tail's determination and friendship.

Minerva is not taking this shit anymore, she was brought up by a moron of a father who based his guild around strenght and pride, when Lucy confronted those values with her valiant FT determination Minerva snapped.

It's like an insult to her beliefs and life values, she had to beat Lucy to death to prove a point or else she wouldn't be telling Fairy Tail to bow down to her guild.

When she gets her ass beaten by Erza she will likely break in tears.

zerocooldx
July 12, 2012, 07:24 PM
Well, he got into their hotel... It is not particularly a place which should hold meaning to the sabertooth guys. He took out a bunch of guys but that did not seem to be a big deal for sabertooth. Heck, the master even sent a guy to fight natsu. If they were pissed natsu attacked them like that it would not make sense to have someone else fight him just like that. He didn't just beat up their master either, he challenged him to a fight and he accepted for that matter. If minerva had been out there for payback though, would it make sense with the way she acted? I mean, she didn't start out fighting at full strength against lucy, she really went at her when lucy said something about team mates which annoyed her. If she had been out there for revenge then there would be no reason for her to wait for lucy to piss her off, she would simply have lashed out at her as soon as lucy was the only one left.

Not sure if that is the case though. We are talking about a huge elemental advantage here to say the least. Minerva would likely still have won however aquarius is indeed a powerful spirit (one that could overpower jubia at that).

The sheer audacity of what Natsu did is more then enough of an insult to Sabertooth. It doesn't matter if they don't really care about individual members, they clearly care about the guild's reputation. And that was something that Natsu clearly trampled on when he showed up and started telling them how to act. Also Minerva left Lucy alone on purpose after disposing of everyone else, including Juvia. From that point on she took pot shots at Lucy and watched as she was getting demolished and humiliated in front of everyone. Only after all of that did she show signs of being pissed off, which took place right after Lucy made her claim about not losing. She was already well on her way to torturing Lucy and making her suffer for the full five minutes. So the only thing that Lucy's statement did was further irritate Minerva. But it did not make Minerva do something she already wasn't planning on doing. As Natsu was walking away she was the one that said that Sabertooth was going to settle things with FT to their hearts content in the tournament. Everything she did was premeditated. Lucy just happened to make it worse on her self.

longguilol1
July 12, 2012, 07:49 PM
Introducing the brand new "U MAD BRO?" face :derp

http://i46.tinypic.com/7lfa.png

kkck
July 12, 2012, 07:53 PM
How can their reputation be trampled? As far as we know everyone kept the fact quiet. Enma acknowledge natsu was there because of his sense of personal justice (I would lean towards enma actually respecting natsu for that) and actually liked natsu's attitude noting that his guild did not have brats like him. Even then, natsu's words did not quite seem to have such a great impact on them in general. I would think there would have been a stronger reaction from sabertooth had natsu at that point trampled over anything in particular.

dragons4life
July 12, 2012, 08:00 PM
Does anybody else wanna print the picture of Sting on the first panel of the second last place put it on a dartboard, grab every weapon in your home, play darts with it and then do the same thing only you put the picture on a boxing pillow (or whatever it is called) and punch it till the chapters that contains Natsu vs Sting comes out and then put that chapters as your favorite chapter cuz you wanna read it all over again just to see Natsu beat Sting's cocky motherf*cking stupid parentkilling f*cking ass and also to see Sting's "I can defeat everyone because I'm a real DS and Natsu, Gajeel, Wendy, Laxus and cobra are not real DS" face go bye, bye and Natsu's "I'm going to motherf*cking kill you where you stand" face. Because SABERTOOTH GAVE THE WORDS "PISSED OFF" TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL:mad:nerve:devil-mad:arro:chair:laser:yelling:bash;bash
and as for the spam the ones getting are in my head ST :mad

---------- Post added at 11:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:59 PM ----------

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIII hate that look :mad

1337 haxor
July 12, 2012, 08:03 PM
How can their reputation be trampled? As far as we know everyone kept the fact quiet. Enma acknowledge natsu was there because of his sense of personal justice (I would lean towards enma actually respecting natsu for that) and actually liked natsu's attitude noting that his guild did not have brats like him. Even then, natsu's words did not quite seem to have such a great impact on them in general. I would think there would have been a stronger reaction from sabertooth had natsu at that point trampled over anything in particular.

Minerva is not acting on her guild's behalf, Jiemma is an asshole but he wouldn't order his subordinates to beat their opponents to near death.

What I think is that Minerva took Natsu's invasion as personal, she is indoctrinated with her guild policy more than her father planned to and when Natsu trampled on her guild's honor and that of her father she went beserk on the person closest to Natsu.

We are talking about the bitch who threatened to kill Happy just so that Natsu would stand down, she is clearly insane about her guild's image and will brutally punish those she deems disrespectful.

halfcrzy
July 12, 2012, 08:45 PM
Haha first, Get rid of aquarius. Never have seen that key bey useful and apparently its one of her strongest. Second.. Ouch poor Lucy. Im really hoping FT rages, natsu releases his monster dragon illusion like in edolas, gerard uses that planet destroyer move and watch makarov spank lucy for losing twice. Lol last part was a joke, but haha i am pumped for some fairy tale rage

crimsonlink310
July 12, 2012, 08:47 PM
Ok that last minute rule is just plain BS. I hope the last 31 seconds of the match ran out just to stick it to Sabertooth and make Lucy's beatdown worth something. 0 points only my ass after that torture.

As for said beatdown. I can't wait till someone from FT gets their hands on Minerva. While I don't personally believe eye for an eye, this time I'll make an exception for Minerva. In fact it should be eye for eyes, legs, arms and body. MEGA RAGE RIGHT NOW!!!! :mad

Natsu was already jumping towards Lucy, I'm expecting automatic Dragon Force activation when he gets there and a dragon roar telling Sabertooth how pissed he is at them.

I'm already dreading what the medics will tell Fairy Tail about Lucy's condition and who will restrain Natsu/most of FTA from killing SB right then and there.

As for the chapter title for next week "I'm Only Thinking Of One". That has many meanings. It could focus on 1 character or multiple characters thinking about Lucy.

That its something completely different. Man I cannot wait for next week's chapter. Anyone have a time machine?

ghostexiled
July 12, 2012, 08:58 PM
So what we witnessed could be the reason that Levy is narrating the story.

Minerva could of just possible killed Lucy... or maybe not killed, but put close to death.

I tell ya there hasn't been a chapter that boils the blood as much as this one did.

Its funny how our reactions are different from when a male character gets thrashed to when a female character gets thrashed.

I understand this is a slightly different case, cause it falls under being tortured without the ability to defend yourself.

It makes me wonder why Leo didn't come out... since he has the ability to appear without being summoned.

Also I can't imagine Scorpio being happy with his "Girlfriend" for leaving Lucy like that... especially when he feels pride in being her spirit now.

btw, who is the chick that Erza has her arm around in the colorspread? Is that Juvia?

1337 haxor
July 12, 2012, 09:01 PM
So what we witnessed could be the reason that Levy is narrating the story.

Minerva could of just possible killed Lucy... or maybe not killed, but put close to death.

I tell ya there hasn't been a chapter that boils the blood as much as this one did.

btw, who is the chick that Erza has her arm around in the colorspread? Is that Juvia?

Yes, apparently is Juvia but Mashima kind of made the face way too petite for her.

TauCarlos
July 12, 2012, 09:35 PM
Honestly don't care who wins or loses this competition anymore, if Fairy Tail start raging right here right now would be fine with me. Natsu is halfway out on to the field which really gives me hope that he isn't going to wait for some stupid next match in fact I want fairy tail team A to be disqualified the moment he puts his fist in stings laughing face then the rest Erza and Gray won't bother to hold him back from that point instead they'll join in his rampage.

And what Minerva did wasn't solely due to Natsu crashing there diggs, she actually started out just trying to win normally without a shred of much effort but Lucy insisted on staying in but what really set Minerva off was when Lucy mentioned doing her best for her friends. This made her rage cause Natsu gave them the speech of how FT won't lose to people who don't care about their Nakama.

I just don't really give a damn anymore about who the strongest guild or what reputation Fairy Tail gets, the only thing I'm looking forward to is ST getting crushed. Mashima please deliver!

Uriel
July 12, 2012, 09:58 PM
You're so sexist, Mashima ¬¬

Anyway, I liked this chapter. Minerva is such a bitch, I enjoyed her. Her power seems to relate to space reconfiguration, portal-like.

And how long they can breather under water? O_O

At this point, Lucy KNOWS that She has to summon Scorpio AND Aquarius together.

ghostexiled
July 12, 2012, 10:13 PM
^that might actually backfire on her...

Lucy's luck would be they just ignore her and flirt with each other. :p

I think since it is a magic water bubble... they probably can breathe in it.

Skyguardian
July 12, 2012, 10:43 PM
Im really angered... Now they've done it... Sabertooth deserves to loose everything they have... And they call themself a light guild?
Screw this. Screw the tournament. Screw everything!
Natsu! Burn the living hell out of every single midget of this trash of a guild.
Erza! Slice them to pieces!
Gray! Pierce them with spears made of ice!
ò____ó

Uriel
July 12, 2012, 10:47 PM
After reading the whole thread...Something that it's very noteworthy of Mashima is that He can built hate pretty well. I mean, Lucy is one of the fave characters for most of us even if She's not the strongest mage around. Somehow when anyone hurts her everyone stand up to defend her.

Well done, Mashima.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m41811Gbfc1r1io7p.gif

THM Nindo
July 12, 2012, 11:33 PM
I don't which is worst between the cruelty of Minerva or Mashima's with this stupid 5 minutes rules...
Lucy almost died for her team, and instead of getting 8 or 10 points, she gets 0.

That's bullshit...

My only consolation is that I know that in the end, Sabertooth will pay and that Fairy Tail will be the #1 guild again.

exacta
July 12, 2012, 11:44 PM
Chapter was okay, but forgive me, I can't help myself...Mashima, that arena looks an awful lot like Blitzball from FFX. Just sayin. :notrust

Quatro Puppy is pathetic....seriously, how'd these clowns get in this tournament? The only mage to even last long enough to show off his magic was Jeager. Even the dude who was supposed to be the leader of the team before Bacchus came in went out like a total chump. This is just embarrassing....Mashima, have some mercy on these guys and let Bacchus come back.

Who would've thought Sabertooth was a guild full of trolls? The expressions on the other members faces as Minerva tortured Lucy makes me very much look forward to the inevitable angry beating that Natsu is going to give Sting. Shit's going to hit the fan.

Oh ya....umm how are they able to talk underwater?

LoS
July 12, 2012, 11:47 PM
Mashima really sucks at character personalities. He just cant ever stay consistent, the worst being Ultear. We have some forced drama this chapter, and Sting who's been an ass but also shown fear, and even doubt, but now is back to being a dick.

And if the people drawing up the battles are so concerned about preserving Lucy for their plan, then why would they even risk her getting injured by putting her in a battle round. Much less against someone not from a weak guild. It's just dumb. Thankfully I didn't have to bring up the 5 minute rule since others are just as vexed by it as I am. It's just something Mashima threw in there so the readers would accept a reason he created for Lucy getting beaten on.

Also, reading a few of the comments how is this any different than what we've seen throughout this manga? Weaker characters have been picked on in the past, mages have beaten up on people after the fight was already well in hand, phantom went to great lengths to stress that they were #1 as well. I just don't get why people are so angered about this chapter. It comes with the territory, and you have already experienced this before in this very manga.

Now I'll have to go through the thread to read about what Minerva's magic is. I don't really feel like taking the time thinking about it myself, and someone has probably already come up with a good idea anyway.

edit: on a side note, are we all to believe that they could breathe in the water?

JunKisaragi
July 13, 2012, 12:18 AM
I think no one ever thought that Minerva would be that much of a psycho-bitch. Bitch, yeah I somehow got a whiff of that by how she looks. But psycho-bitch? Nope, did not see that one coming.

I would love to see Sabertooth crumble. Those turds think they're all that when really they just became number one because of the absence of Fairy Tail's key players. I doubt they'd be there if FT didn't go missing.

Funny how Gajeel knew what Minerva was after 'cause he himself did Lucy in way back in the Phantom Lord arc. "Great" minds think alike O_O.

Natsu and the rest of FT are all fired up now. I bet they'll settle this on Day 5.

Mashima, I just want to see Sabertooth all beat up and near death. If you can do that, I'd be one happy reader. :3

TauCarlos
July 13, 2012, 12:51 AM
Mashima really sucks at character personalities. He just cant ever stay consistent, the worst being Ultear. We have some forced drama this chapter, and Sting who's been an ass but also shown fear, and even doubt, but now is back to being a dick.

And if the people drawing up the battles are so concerned about preserving Lucy for their plan, then why would they even risk her getting injured by putting her in a battle round. Much less against someone not from a weak guild. It's just dumb. Thankfully I didn't have to bring up the 5 minute rule since others are just as vexed by it as I am. It's just something Mashima threw in there so the readers would accept a reason he created for Lucy getting beaten on.

Also, reading a few of the comments how is this any different than what we've seen throughout this manga? Weaker characters have been picked on in the past, mages have beaten up on people after the fight was already well in hand, phantom went to great lengths to stress that they were #1 as well. I just don't get why people are so angered about this chapter. It comes with the territory, and you have already experienced this before in this very manga.

Now I'll have to go through the thread to read about what Minerva's magic is. I don't really feel like taking the time thinking about it myself, and someone has probably already come up with a good idea anyway.

edit: on a side note, are we all to believe that they could breathe in the water?

Sting has shown awe never fear, he couldn't believe FT actually had strength but his never been afraid of them.

And this isn't the battle round it's the group event where anyone can decide to participate and out of team A the best person for underwater combat is lucy for obvious reasons. The five minute rule was a dick move but I think there was more to it, someone might actually want to see fairy tail lose more than we know. In any case it doesn't bug me, I no longer care about who gets points and who doesn't the competition for me has just turned to shit mainly due to the incompetence of the organizers who have continually screwed up. All I want is to see is ST vs FT open warfare, if they survive this arc then no doubt these guys are the new Phantom Lord.

I can't see why you can't empathize all the same, even so, I do actually feel like this is a little different for one I've never seen Lucy take a beating to this extent ever. Another reason is cause shes already been humiliated despite her best efforts now this monster has just trashed her to the edge of her life and for what? Reputation? Strongest in the world? Really? This is different than other times cause when FT was pawned they was something serious on the line that was worth fighting to the end but this however is a stupid tournament, Minerva knew she could have won easy but she didn't leave it at that she had to torture Lucy first for no other reason other than she just felt like it. Come on it's gotta make you feel a little pissed

Ero-Sanji
July 13, 2012, 01:21 AM
I find it quite interesting that no one has mentioned the amazing amount of fan service in this chapter, even when Lucy is half-beat she delivers... I'm amazed over the fact that Minerva wasn't less "covered" than she was in this event.

Newkerzy
July 13, 2012, 01:38 AM
Oh boy, they don't know what they are in to now.

So the knight was the one that stopped the match? Seems legit since he doesn't want to have Lucy dead. Well no one does.

Gajeel, Laxus and Natsu are royally pissed :D They will curbstomp ST :D

Can't wait for that moment. I actually hope it's a tag team match between Natsu and Gajeel vs Sting and Rogue and Erza + Laxus vs Minerva and Orga :D The other weakling can wait

I wouldn't say that Laxus and Gajeel are pissed, so to speak.... they're angry, but not to the point Natsu will be.. they just hate their attitudes. If Sting knows what's good for him, he'd better not mock Lucy's defeat, otherwise Natsu will really be pissed. I'd like to see Natsu seriously trying to kill Sting for real. Or even torture him. I'd actually like to see him go over the moral event horizon this time.

Sting will survive just because Lucy barely managed to stop Natsu going any further. Man I am so begging a NaLu moment where Lucy pleads to Natsu in tears to not cross over the moral event horizon. That would be the best NaLu moment ever.

As for Rogue vs Gajeel, it will probably be less heated, but it should be just as awesome. I can see the tag fight being more of a one-on-one of Natsu vs Sting, and Rogue vs Gajeel with no teamwork. after Natsu's done with Sting, he'll kick his body to Rogue for a tag-out. Natsu tags-out with a punch from Gajeel for going overboard.

At the end of the day, I can see Makarov suspending Natsu for the rest of the games to cool him off and out of great disappointment.

BlackHair
July 13, 2012, 02:05 AM
A FT mage is heavily damaged -> opponent and her mates are laughing -> FT feels raged. Always the same pattern and everyone knows how this is going to end. Heck, alone in this arc this has been used already -> Raven Tail. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel any emotion, if Mashima just keeps repeating the same plot.

Minerva is just like Ultear in her mad days. Her character is neither new nor interesting. Aquarius once again disappears in the middle of the fight. She is one unreliable, boring and predictable spirit. From day one, she has never done anything else. On top of that, her dialogues aren't funny. Juvia seemed very promising at the beginning, but just moments later she was turned into a comedy figure. Are those Gray love jokes still supposed to be funny?... One event after the another, I only see repetitions in this chapter. I'm afraid this seems to be the average pattern now. Having said that, what the hell was the 5min deal?

However there is one thing I rly liked in this chapter, the aqua arena! The battlefield itself filled with magic water, just like in an air battle they could attack from all direction. I wish Mashima would had made more use of the 360° part, but he seem to have just focused on the royal rumble battle. I guess u can't focus on everything in single chapter.

Anyway, to sum everything up. I really disliked the constant repetitions but very much liked the aqua arena + royal rumble. I have voted with average, but was tending to vote boring.

frozen18ice
July 13, 2012, 03:16 AM
great chapter suprised that it was early part of me wanting an extra chapter this sat but i guess that was the chapter but the whole fairy tail summer could mean a double issue cross fingers but damm. towards the end i was just getting mad with the situation mashima did justice to how to get people hate sabertooht more than raven tail makes them even more of the main focal point. this set up great with the whole plot of fairy tale
1. its easier to capture lucy in the seven day
2. everybody will be too busy destroying sabertooth
3. better power development for lucy to get even stronger
4. going back to understanding the relationship with zodiacs if she did summon aquarious with scopio then she would not have this problem or if she used ares to cloud up the whole are then use gemini for a double then called for caprico for control over humans then it will be a pwon move surprised that leo did not save her automatically or are they try to not do that because its a competition
5. the intentions of the knight is also the same intention of the pumkin guy

TauCarlos
July 13, 2012, 03:36 AM
I just remembered one of the teams has to battle twice for the battle round right? Assuming none of the teams gets disqualified (Which I hope happens cause Natsu goes ape shit right now) then it's likely that the organizers will take this as the perfect time to vs both FT teams vs sabertooth!

Buggy
July 13, 2012, 03:43 AM
Sabertooth needs to die. Grimoire Heart had more pride and decency.

One good apple seems to be Rogue who isn't willing to participate in his guild's twisted makings.

And for many guys who don't seem to read the same manga - there are both [event] AND [battle] portion of the tournament - learn the difference: http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Grand_Magic_Games/X791#Tournament

RaveDragon
July 13, 2012, 03:43 AM
My goodness that was pure torture to read through but im intrigued in the next chapters title, is it implying someone (natsu) taking revenge for lucy or maybe we're going to get her reaction to her loss :/

Darjaille
July 13, 2012, 04:22 AM
Next chapter, "I'm only thinking of one", sounds like Natsu thinking only about Lucy just as they fight. :blush

Funny how prior to this event, or more like prior to all events that led us to absolutely hate and despise ST and RT, (almost) everyone just wanted Natsu and Erza to lose, finally. Now Erza's battle (event) was the most epic thing to happen since.. well, I don't know what, and we're just waiting for Natsu to trash Sting :XD

And yep, if Lucy gets 0 points, so not gonna like it. And I'm sure FT and maybe the whole stadium are so not gonna like it too.

Kauia
July 13, 2012, 04:40 AM
I've never seen a chapter that was painful to read. One because Lucy was so badly hurt especially when she was trying her best. Two, she got so beaten up and no point at all. I really hate ST now. I hope the next chapter shows a nalu moment. Just seeing a tad of things about ST pisses me off. I've never felt this way after reading a chapter. I don't think Minerva will be fighting again for this day. It's up to Natsu to beat that Sting jerk out.

If it wasn't Lucy, I'd probably liked the insanity seen in ST members.

Dylan21
July 13, 2012, 04:56 AM
I find it quite interesting that no one has mentioned the amazing amount of fan service in this chapter, even when Lucy is half-beat she delivers... I'm amazed over the fact that Minerva wasn't less "covered" than she was in this event.
^This

I think i like Minerva, i hope she won't have a change of heart like Ultear had. We need female villains
And i quite enjoy seeing Lucy get beaten like that.
At least Mashima is doing a good job building up the hate towards Sabertooth
Gray vs Rufus
Natsu vs Sting
Gajeel vs Rogue
Erza vs Minerva
Laxus vs Orga
These matches are going to be interesting, i hope Mashima won't make too much nakama's shit in the fights.

Oh, and the guy from Cerberus ... :facepalm

Schabrak
July 13, 2012, 05:15 AM
Are you a S Dynlan? Why would you enjoy seeing her being hurt? :/

Funny how there was a discussion that Sting could come up as good character. I'm also disappointed in FT, nakama here, nakama there, but instead of spitting on that money they endure all the shame and pain. Just go and do a all out brawl! Or that's what we will get for the last day anyway. End result for Fairy Tail A Lucy: 2x0 Points.

Even if the reasoning for the five minute rule was expressed in a rather funny way, it's a dumb one anyway.

Minerva should be clearly disqualified for her behaviour, there is no reason why the judges should have allowed her psychopathic behaviour. Don't like how Mashima creates tension with unreasonable behaviour of the tournament judges. It would be really weird if the spectators would still be cheering for ST.



I wonder if aquarius will feel bad about what just happened.
Let's hope the other stellar spirits will do their part in shaming her for life.


So Aquarius or any other spirit being or not being there is a moot point. Yeah its dumb that it happened, but the outcome would not have changed one bit.
The point is that she has forsaken Lucy, which lead to a half dead master. Morally she's not better than any of the ST members. Her justification is nothing but selfish, not in spirit of her other spirits or FT.

Humilation should not be part of any guild.



IIIIIIIIIIIIIIII hate that look :mad
It is supposed to be hated, that's the whole point of that expression, so goal accomplished.^^

RaveDragon
July 13, 2012, 05:53 AM
I'm hoping for some development for lucy now both character and magic wise as well as plot wise (layla and dragons), she needs some sort of break and thanks to charles vision I'm guessing this is massacre Lucy arc! yay :-_-

El Maco
July 13, 2012, 05:57 AM
And the English scanlation is out on Mangateers (http://mangateers.com/manga/fairy-tail/291/).

Schabrak
July 13, 2012, 05:58 AM
At this point, Lucy KNOWS that She has to summon Scorpio AND Aquarius together.
Simple case of plot induced stupidity. There's a rare chance that it was somebody else too.


It comes with the territory, and you have already experienced this before in this very manga.
It's not like I[we] weren't angry at those situations too...

Ninja_Pirate
July 13, 2012, 06:12 AM
"I'm only thinking of one" - I am only thinking of all for one and one for all... and that s why need victory...

I still could not believe it that lucy lost..and also lost with '0' points... I thought lucy is the fav character of Mashima.. :(... since she started the fight thinking that she has to get back from her loss last time...

So i still have hope... this is not the first time her keys are stolen from her....

http://i47.tinypic.com/2cfuwpk.jpg

And also .. since some people are saying that lucy would have been standing in erza s league if she would have won against Minerva... I still remember the boost given by ultear and do believe in that... If not the skills the magical power might have come to the level of erza after that boost...

And last thing... I am not expecting a straight head on win (since Minerva has been shown as top league and it would be far fetched) but a tactical win for Lucy... and I would really like to see this happening after that.

http://i46.tinypic.com/espa85.jpg

TauCarlos
July 13, 2012, 06:21 AM
^I'm sorry bro even if all her spirits showed up shes already out of the bubble, honestly though, for all the love her spirits claim they have for her. They are hardly ever consistent in showing up when she needs them most

Quantized
July 13, 2012, 06:30 AM
Not really, as she's hurt that badly, it would be just perfect for him to kidnap her, as she's completely vulnerable now and she wouldn't be able to fight back.

Sting is definitely gonna get it. Natsu will kick his ass so hard he'll cry momma. Considering that there's been hints those two have gotten closer recently, you can bet he'll be even more pissed than during the Phantom Lord arc.

All the more reason to guard her then, since now everyone in Fairy Tail knows someone wants to damage/kidnap etc. Any with the least little intelligence would not leave a wounded family member for the wolfs, or take the chance of it.
I'm sure she will be guarded by someone capable :)
However that doesn't mean she won't get kidnapped though, I think she will, in fact, it smells to happen directly under Natsu's fight that probably starts next week.

So predicting that the guards will be defeated, whoever guard her, and they'll kidnap Lucy for their evil plan, but can't execute it right away due to her wounds, so they have to wait till she heals a bit. Natsu will go crazy, mental, break the whole station apart (Oki too much power!), but thing is, it's a good way to motivate Natsu, and this would really knock hard on his feelings double up.


Maybe mashima wants to push lucy a bit and develop her? make her want to achieve more? After all initially she just wanted to have some experience for her writing skills and a dream for adventure and rent money xD (I mean if she could get some caster magic and fight with her spirits like that it would help)

I think so too, Mashima seems to want to be make a strong character out of Lucy, and if she pulls through this defeat and back on her feet, she'll become a very strong person.
It seems her getting hurt is key for Natsu's growth in this case, and her emotional defeats are key to her own growth in this case. It seems both will grow.

Lucy has shown to be pretty damn powerful before without her keys, I'm really excited to see what she can actually pull off!
For some reason I think that Mavis will teach Lucy some pretty dangerous magic, and it would be a good way for Lucy to restore her trust in herself, even if all in Fairy Tail are only concerned about her health, and not that she didn't win, Lucy will beat her self down other vice.
The only way for Lucy to redeem herself over for herself alone now, is to get much, much stronger than she already is. I doubt any words can change that now, I doubt it will completely heal her emotionally if she doesn't grow stronger herself.

Hamy
July 13, 2012, 07:26 AM
All the more reason to guard her then, since now everyone in Fairy Tail knows someone wants to damage/kidnap etc. Any with the least little intelligence would not leave a wounded family member for the wolfs, or take the chance of it.
I'm sure she will be guarded by someone capable :)
However that doesn't mean she won't get kidnapped though, I think she will, in fact, it smells to happen directly under Natsu's fight that probably starts next week.

Only you're forgetting one crucial detail they believe the one who tried to kidnap their members was Raven Tail - in no way do they suspect that the real culprits are the royal guards. Meaning, they will have their guard down if Lucy is under the intensive medical attention and security of the Royal guards.

Also can I just say that logic has somewhat flown out again I mean why would a guild that prides itself on the appearance of being number one have a member who cruelly attacks an opponent spouting all the goodness and sweet stuff that people love to hear for all to see. I would think that gives Sabertooth the worst possible image to beat on someone helplessly fighting for their guild mates XD. Just a little annoyance of mine - yeah the author is trying to build Sabertooth up as being antagonistic towards Fairy Tail and all that they believe but cmon this is just going overboard already in that some logic is flying out the window again. I mean seriously you think Minerva's act and speech would bring about brownie points among the people?

Oh yeah lets not forget what happened to auto-summon Loki? He is the only Stellar spirit who pretty much can come out without a key so I'm wondering what happened to him. Well answer is pretty clear so~. Well its not the first time the author has done this I just wish he'd learn not to recourse so much into this as much as he did, it just tends to dumb down his manga often.

El Maco
July 13, 2012, 07:44 AM
Oh yeah lets not forget what happened to auto-summon Loki? He is the only Stellar spirit who pretty much can come out without a key so I'm wondering what happened to him. Well answer is pretty clear so~.

Loki was busy comforting Aries? :^_^

Seriously, Loki got banned in the past for endangering his owner. Will the same now happen to Aquarius?
It's extra hard to tolerate because only 5 days earlier they were giving FT A the party of their lives saying how much they love her, but then Aquarius does the selfish thing because Juvia is on her same level and she thinks it's too dangerous for her.

ej619ako
July 13, 2012, 07:54 AM
just read the chapter. Mashima did great in this chapter. the reason is because he gave a reason to hate sabertooth :D

Skyguardian
July 13, 2012, 07:58 AM
I doubt Aquarius thought, Lucy would get destroyed that bad. She is a very unique character. Of course that was going to far but no matter how you look at it... It's not like she ever came unsummoned and never stayed long either.
I don't understand why Loki didn't come out though... Maybe we learn more next week.

That was the second cruel defeat of Lucy... Damn Natsu will destroy Sting... I'm so looking forward to it! :3c

Majek
July 13, 2012, 08:00 AM
I hate this chapter, since i'm getting tired of op characters beating Lucy to a pulp just to make her look bad. Mashima himself should get that treatment once.

Quantized
July 13, 2012, 08:05 AM
Only you're forgetting one crucial detail they believe the one who tried to kidnap their members was Raven Tail - in no way do they suspect that the real culprits are the royal guards. Meaning, they will have their guard down if Lucy is under the intensive medical attention and security of the Royal guards.

Also can I just say that logic has somewhat flown out again I mean why would a guild that prides itself on the appearance of being number one have a member who cruelly attacks an opponent spouting all the goodness and sweet stuff that people love to hear for all to see. I would think that gives Sabertooth the worst possible image to beat on someone helplessly fighting for their guild mates XD. Just a little annoyance of mine - yeah the author is trying to build Sabertooth up as being antagonistic towards Fairy Tail and all that they believe but cmon this is just going overboard already in that some logic is flying out the window again. I mean seriously you think Minerva's act and speech would bring about brownie points among the people?

Oh yeah lets not forget what happened to auto-summon Loki? He is the only Stellar spirit who pretty much can come out without a key so I'm wondering what happened to him. Well answer is pretty clear so~. Well its not the first time the author has done this I just wish he'd learn not to recourse so much into this as much as he did, it just tends to dumb down his manga often.

Fully agree, I see your point of view, it would be dangerous if none from their own guild guarded her as I thought would happen. But you're right, they might trust in the tournament guards / royal guards enough to weaken the guild defence.. Ya twisted my arm on that one :D

You're also right about Sabertooth infliction damage on their image, however isn't it exactly the opposite they want? I mean, they seem to want to be feared by everyone, thinking that fear = respect.. or alternatively just randomly can't control their anger / emotions.
Albeit that's a twisted logic indeed if they believe fear = respect, but if that's what they believe in, then that's what they fight for, twisted and illogical as it may be I agree..

Hamy
July 13, 2012, 08:08 AM
Loki was busy comforting Aries? :^_^

Seriously, Loki got banned in the past for endangering his owner. Will the same now happen to Aquarius?
It's extra hard to tolerate because only 5 days earlier they were giving FT A the party of their lives saying how much they love her, but then Aquarius does the selfish thing because Juvia is on her same level and she thinks it's too dangerous for her.

You see this is the difference between Aquarius and Loki. For the longest time we've known that Aquarius is a cop out - a convenient way of nerfing Lucy so that she ends up on the losing end because one of the strongest and most convenient spirits loves to leave her when the going gets tough just so as to heighten dramatic tension or to me its pretty much become a good indicator that Lucy is in for a beating. It is an annoying cop out yes but slightly more forgivable because it is at the very least consistent.

Loki on the other hand is built on a premise opposite of Aquarius and so far has not failed so badly in keeping that premise - which is why this instance is irksome because the premise is broken on the basis of making sure Lucy loses. It would have been better at least to see Loki easily get curb stomped than to not show up at all.



You're also right about Sabertooth infliction damage on their image, however isn't it exactly the opposite they want? I mean, they seem to want to be feared by everyone, thinking that fear = respect.. or alternatively just randomly can't control their anger / emotions.
Albeit that's a twisted logic indeed if they believe fear = respect, but if that's what they believe in, then that's what they fight for, twisted and illogical as it may be I agree..

Issue with the whole fear = respect is very simple its just bad business logic. Remember these guys are "light guilds" not dark guilds meaning fear probably would be the last thing you want to inflict upon normal citizens - sure you'd want to instill fear on villains but you still want to keep a good image towards the people who would actually hire or give you the jobs in the first place. Fact that Minerva tried to keep the peace on an earlier chapter also kinda contradicts this fact in that you get the idea that she wanted to at the very least keep up good appearances so as much as possible she didn't want her father and Natsu to fight as it would endanger their way of showing off so to speak. Sure Minerva did get to show off but I somehow think this is different from the kind of image a light guild would want to project. Well then again when you consider what we know about Sabertooth its not like we have an idea of what image they have other than being super strong - they have no particular theme like the other guilds.

Quantized
July 13, 2012, 08:13 AM
I hate this chapter, since i'm getting tired of op characters beating Lucy to a pulp just to make her look bad. Mashima himself should get that treatment once.

Don't be so hasty though, it's probably buildup for when Lucy truly gets strong and probably powerful too.
Is it just me, or don't many see Lucy / Natsu becoming the among strongest mages, and truly to be feared when coupled up in a fight? Well, it might just be a fan wish, but trying to look at it objectively, it seems likely to happen, imho.

Both Natsu and Lucy has a far way to go, and a lot of potential, they're no way near the level possible, as shown a few times the last arc. Keeping that in mind, Lucy and Natsu is bound to grow stronger, due to the fact that they're absolutely nothing compared to what was shown in the earlier arc.

Darjaille
July 13, 2012, 08:26 AM
Maybe Lucy can't summon anyone and the spirits can't come of their own will when she doesn't have her keys on herself. Maybe they don't feel that bond, or that's how it is since "it was her fault that her keys were stolen".

Quantized
July 13, 2012, 08:32 AM
Issue with the whole fear = respect is very simple its just bad business logic. Remember these guys are "light guilds" not dark guilds meaning fear probably would be the last thing you want to inflict upon normal citizens - sure you'd want to instill fear on villains but you still want to keep a good image towards the people who would actually hire or give you the jobs in the first place. Fact that Minerva tried to keep the peace on an earlier chapter also kinda contradicts this fact in that you get the idea that she wanted to at the very least keep up good appearances so as much as possible she didn't want her father and Natsu to fight as it would endanger their way of showing off so to speak. Sure Minerva did get to show off but I somehow think this is different from the kind of image a light guild would want to project.

True, but some people actually think that way. It's kinda like sociopaths, who don't care about social standings, all they care about is to damage, for example mass murders / serial killers and what not. Sociopaths can also keep a low profile so they don't stand out.
Psychopaths who try to middle in the crowd and abuse / damage other people in order to gain through people's trust, they're "playing" with people, making them like them, love them etc. but once they can't gain anything from them anymore, they throw them away.

Both mental illnesses are pretty similar, with the difference that Psychopaths middle in the crowd, tricking people to gain by playing with their emotions and more, and sociopaths don't care about social standing, they act. For both cases, they don't feel emotions, they simply think of it as a game, a meaning in life. (Obviously when they can't feel much emotions, it would be boring to live, to it explains a lot).

These kind of people exist in real life, and they're everywhere, psychopaths are generally intelligent, but that's only a tendency, it doesn't apply to all, nor does it apply to all intelligent people.

Sabertooth (Finally getting to the point lol), seems to be made up of such individuals, and if sociopathic behaviour, then you really don't give a damn about people's opinions, and the most dangerous part is that they might have little emotions, such as fear, desire etc.. but may lack completely or partly love, pity, compassion/sympathy.

Sure it could also be normal people with a bad childhood, actually I think most people in Sabertooth are grown-ups with bad childhoods. However there are individuals who seems dangerously towards the psychopathic / sociopathic tendencies.
A weakness in this parallel of comparison is that psychopaths don't usually expose themselves like Sabertooth, and sociopaths who sometimes tends to expose themselves are usually not doing so well in social ranks. Then again, this is a manga, and it's doubtful ow much "social" rank there is to be found in Saberbooth.

Just throwing the thoughts out there, not saying Saberbooth is all made up of mental people, for all we know it may just be bad childhoods, however this guild certainly smells badly of having a few people with mental issues rather than bad childhoods.
Certainly "some" people with bad childhoods don't learn to use their emotions, and they think they are accepted in a group with psychopaths without realizing it. Since the social ranks are so low, and little social communication (seemingly) and there is always fighting and destruction on the table, it may include sociopaths too.

In that sense, it may not even be respect they seek, but something completely else, like complete dominance and free to do whatever they want, or as far as they can go to reach that goal.

Majek
July 13, 2012, 08:32 AM
No. To me the treatment Lucy got in this arc is just bad writting. And Mashima should probably get some sadistic threatment from a woman as a reward for this arc.

Quantized
July 13, 2012, 08:45 AM
Maybe Lucy can't summon anyone and the spirits can't come of their own will when she doesn't have her keys on herself. Maybe they don't feel that bond, or that's how it is since "it was her fault that her keys were stolen".

That would make a lot of sense tbh, it's not like the spirits are all knowing beings after all, and them only bein able to sense her when she's close to the keys.. I would certainly buy that explanation if turning out to be true :)

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No. To me the treatment Lucy got in this arc is just bad writting. And Mashima should probably get some sadistic threatment from a woman as a reward for this arc.

Few fans wants to see Lucy like this, and only writers with guts or (alternatively as you suggested - bad writers) dare to put characters where fans get effected to this degree of distaste. Where many don't get distasteful, is probably because many of us are expecting Lucy to grow intensely in power.
Isn't she the narrate in the first place? She's not some useless comic relief character, she's very important, we just don't see that yet other than the hints we have gotten.

But as you said, it's possible to be bad writing, but I don't think it is in this case due to all the build up during all the other arcs...
Even if you turn out to be right, I still hope and believe she will come back stronger and more confident than ever before, and objectively put, it seems to point that way.
Despite of other areas in the manga that could be seen as bad writing, but I doubt it's the case with Lucy who is absolutely central in the whole manga.

JunKisaragi
July 13, 2012, 08:49 AM
Maybe Lucy can't summon anyone and the spirits can't come of their own will when she doesn't have her keys on herself. Maybe they don't feel that bond, or that's how it is since "it was her fault that her keys were stolen".

In the Fighting Festival arc, Loke was able to go out on his own will and save Lucy in her fight against Bickslow, even when one of Bickslow's "babies" took Lucy's keys away from her (rendering her unable to fight efficiently).

I wonder what happened to her Celestial Spirits this time. There must be some sort of explanation for this. Like an interference thereby rendering her spirits incapable of going out of the spirit world on their own will.

Everything just seems inconsistent at this point (with regard to Lucy's Celestial Spirits that is).

Hamy
July 13, 2012, 08:52 AM
True, but some people actually think that way. It's kinda like sociopaths, who don't care about social standings, all they care about is to damage, for example mass murders / serial killers and what not. Sociopaths can also keep a low profile so they don't stand out.
Psychopaths who try to middle in the crowd and abuse / damage other people in order to gain through people's trust, they're "playing" with people, making them like them, love them etc. but once they can't gain anything from them anymore, they throw them away.

Both mental illnesses are pretty similar, with the difference that Psychopaths middle in the crowd, tricking people to gain by playing with their emotions and more, and sociopaths don't care about social standing, they act. For both cases, they don't feel emotions, they simply think of it as a game, a meaning in life. (Obviously when they can't feel much emotions, it would be boring to live, to it explains a lot).

These kind of people exist in real life, and they're everywhere, psychopaths are generally intelligent, but that's only a tendency, it doesn't apply to all, nor does it apply to all intelligent people.

Sabertooth (Finally getting to the point lol), seems to be made up of such individuals, and if sociopathic behaviour, then you really don't give a damn about people's opinions, and the most dangerous part is that they might have little emotions, such as fear, desire etc.. but may lack completely or partly love, pity, compassion/sympathy.

Sure it could also be normal people with a bad childhood, actually I think most people in Sabertooth are grown-ups with bad childhoods. However there are individuals who seems dangerously towards the psychopathic / sociopathic tendencies.
A weakness in this parallel of comparison is that psychopaths don't usually expose themselves like Sabertooth, and sociopaths who sometimes tends to expose themselves are usually not doing so well in social ranks. Then again, this is a manga, and it's doubtful ow much "social" rank there is to be found in Saberbooth.

Just throwing the thoughts out there, not saying Saberbooth is all made up of mental people, for all we know it may just be bad childhoods, however this guild certainly smells badly of having a few people with mental issues rather than bad childhoods.
Certainly "some" people with bad childhoods don't learn to use their emotions, and they think they are accepted in a group with psychopaths without realizing it. Since the social ranks are so low, and little social communication (seemingly) and there is always fighting and destruction on the table, it may include sociopaths too.

In that sense, it may not even be respect they seek, but something completely else, like complete dominance and free to do whatever they want, or as far as they can go to reach that goal.

My issue with this whole thing at this point is that it is over read because really in context we know nothing much about Saber tooth - other than some rather sadistic tendencies to show off their strength at the expense of others. Otherwise, we have no validation as to what they precisely seek other than trying to appear strong by trampling the weak. I think calling them sociopaths on such limited information of a very loosely thematic guild is just jumping the gun too much. Fact is all we need to see about Sabertooth is that they are villains for this arc, or largely becoming one now that Raven Tail is gone so that we start focusing on how the author tries to make them look bad. Moreover, I don't see this manga as having that sort of complexity in its characters since really what I was faulting it earlier was that its trying so hard to get its point across that it dumbs down things XD. So who are we to say what Saber tooth is after until we get an exposition chapter, don't get me wrong you're probably close to the point of what Saber tooth is given how simple the manga is, but just avoiding jumping the gun on what we don't know yet is best avoided even if we can see it a mile ahead as we need to retain being readers here not authors.

Quantized
July 13, 2012, 08:56 AM
In the Fighting Festival arc, Loke was able to go out on his own will and save Lucy in her fight against Bickslow, even when one of Bickslow's "babies" took Lucy's keys away from her (rendering her unable to fight efficiently).

I wonder what happened to her Celestial Spirits this time. There must be some sort of explanation for this. Like an interference thereby rendering her spirits incapable of going out of the spirit world on their own will.

Everything just seems inconsistent at this point (with regard to Lucy's Celestial Spirits that is).

Might also be a motivator to stop completely relying on her spirits, since it's not her own strength she's relying on, but others.
To be truly confident in yourself, you have to rely on your own strength, and Lucy will never become a true fighter who won't loose to protect her friends, if she doesn't rely on her own strength.
Eventually she could grow to have support from her spirits, but fighting with her own strength.

So I think you got a point, there is something off, and it might lead to new development :) *Crossing fingers*

The keys part leaves me puzzled as well though, maybe Loki was watching at that point and realized they were stolen. Since the water spirit was on a "date", she wasn't watching and Loki probably don't always watch. Seems like a bit weird explanation, but who knows... :s

crimsonlink310
July 13, 2012, 09:02 AM
A lot of people are blaming Aquarius and I agree to some point but its not like Aquarius left knowing Lucy would be tortured like that. Juvia already showed that she made Aquarius useless for the most part. But it was horrible of Aquarius to leave Lucy in the middle of battle for a date. Maybe she will repent in the future.

Besides that, Leo not making an appearance was for a good reason. To give us readers more reason to hate ST. Heck the 5 minute rule was pretty much stated by Mashima in the manga to be used to increase tension. (http://www.mangahere.com/manga/fairy_tail/v26/c291/13.html)

I dunno if some of you realize why this chapter brings out a lot of anger as that was its purpose. The reason I say that is because a while back someone mentioned that Lucy getting beaten up gets people angry but it doesn't happen for other members or that there was no anger at that time. (not saying everyone believes that!)

There are of course a few reasons for that. (Using Erza and Elfman as examples as they were the ones really beaten up in the tournament)

Rage point list <- (moments where rage spiked for me and most people I'm sure.)

1. Lucy was helpless unlike Erza and Elfman who won their battles with skill and luck.

2. Lucy was bleeding at the end of her match. Unlike Erza and Elfman who were bruised and scratched up with a bit of bleeding, Lucy was bleeding internally as she was coughing up blood. She received quite a few magical hits and a brutal knee to her waist area, most likely breaking some of her bones if not hurting her kidneys.

3. Minerva stated that she could send Lucy out anytime she wanted to but she didn't to see how long Lucy would last. Lucy mentions her never give up attitude and then starts the torture.

4. Lucy is about to go out but Minerva bring her back for that devastating knee.

5. ST members sneering at FTA members while Lucy was getting tortured.

6. Minerva holding Lucy right outside the bubble while gloating and looking ready to drop her.

7. Sting laughing openly.

So yeah if you didn't come out of that chapter even the slightest bit upset then you have strong emotional control or you are not invested into the Fairy Tail characters. Or just Lucy for that matter.

Its one thing to dislike a chapter because you feel it repeats things you have already seen. Its another thing to ignore a character being tortured in a manga and the worst torture seen yet actually.

To emphasize how serious the torture was in the chapter. Lucy was bleeding from her mouth. At worst Natsu has suffered bruises and cuts, Gray sliced himself, Erza was battered fighting 100s of demons in this manga. None of that matches Lucy's current injuries.

Back when I made my earlier post in anger, it was to look forward to Natsu beating up Sting in revenge for Lucy's sake as part of the mob mentality. I didn't see the panel where Lucy was bleeding correctly the first time I posted in the thread.

Now its not even certain what will happen to Lucy. Levy narrating just became more foreboding. Not saying that Lucy will die as that is very unlikely.

Man I really should stop reading the chapter over and over again. Each time it just makes me mad and depressed.

Sorry for the long post but I had to share my feelings and opinions with everyone.

THM Nindo
July 13, 2012, 09:02 AM
I know some people said that before, but wouldn't it be crazy if that was Gemini...

I keep thinking about the "zero points' rule that Mashima created for this event.

If Fairy Tail A gets 0 points for this event, there's almost no way they can beat Sabertooth.
He might do it so that there's more drama/tension and that they beat him in the very last battle, or something like that.

Or... if by any luck this was Gemini that was getting beat up, and that Lucy pushes Minerva outside the water, that would give zero points to Sabertooth.
And with the 10 points to Fairy Tail A and the 6 points to Fairy Tail B, that would give them a better chance to beat them in the end.

Either case are possible, but I still think that Lucy lost (either way, the referee stopped the match, right?)...
I guess that Mashima wants the last events/battles to be more tense as Fairy Tail will have to battle very hard to win the tournament.

Hamy
July 13, 2012, 09:10 AM
I know some people said that before, but wouldn't it be crazy if that was Gemini...

I keep thinking about the "zero points' rule that Mashima created for this event.

If Fairy Tail A gets 0 points for this event, there's almost no way they can beat Sabertooth.
He might do it so that there's more drama/tension and that they beat him in the very last battle, or something like that.

Or... if by any luck this was Gemini that was getting beat up, and that Lucy pushes Minerva outside the water, that would give zero points to Sabertooth.
And with the 10 points to Fairy Tail A and the 6 points to Fairy Tail B, that would give them a better chance to beat them in the end.

Either case are possible, but I still think that Lucy lost (either way, the referee stopped the match, right?)...
I guess that Mashima wants the last events/battles to be more tense as Fairy Tail will have to battle very hard to win the tournament.

Yeah sorry this is an even bigger contradiction since I think Lucy would have to turn evil before she used her Celestial Spirit as a scape goat. Besides since when does winning the tournament matter when we already know that by the 7th day something happens that will destroy the stadium - and most likely invalidating or dwarfing the significance of the actual tournament for whatever event is going to take place. Which is the real build up at this point not necessarily who will win.

REN KOUEN
July 13, 2012, 09:13 AM
im dissapointed in juvia, she should have dominated

also the guys from sabertooth had the gayest looks on their faces, the angry looks of natsu, gray and erza were also a bit strange looking

i really hope natsu gets to beat the piss out of sting soon

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A lot of people are blaming Aquarius and I agree to some point but its not like Aquarius left knowing Lucy would be tortured like that. Juvia already showed that she made Aquarius useless for the most part. But it was horrible of Aquarius to leave Lucy in the middle of battle for a date. Maybe she will repent in the future.

Besides that, Leo not making an appearance was for a good reason. To give us readers more reason to hate ST. Heck the 5 minute rule was pretty much stated by Mashima in the manga to be used to increase tension. (http://www.mangahere.com/manga/fairy_tail/v26/c291/13.html)

I dunno if some of you realize why this chapter brings out a lot of anger as that was its purpose. The reason I say that is because a while back someone mentioned that Lucy getting beaten up gets people angry but it doesn't happen for other members or that there was no anger at that time. (not saying everyone believes that!)

There are of course a few reasons for that. (Using Erza and Elfman as examples as they were the ones really beaten up in the tournament)

Rage point list <- (moments where rage spiked for me and most people I'm sure.)

1. Lucy was helpless unlike Erza and Elfman who won their battles with skill and luck.

2. Lucy was bleeding at the end of her match. Unlike Erza and Elfman who were bruised and scratched up with a bit of bleeding, Lucy was bleeding internally as she was coughing up blood. She received quite a few magical hits and a brutal knee to her waist area, most likely breaking some of her bones if not hurting her kidneys.

3. Minerva stated that she could send Lucy out anytime she wanted to but she didn't to see how long Lucy would last. Lucy mentions her never give up attitude and then starts the torture.

4. Lucy is about to go out but Minerva bring her back for that devastating knee.

5. ST members sneering at FTA members while Lucy was getting tortured.

6. Minerva holding Lucy right outside the bubble while gloating and looking ready to drop her.

7. Sting laughing openly.

So yeah if you didn't come out of that chapter even the slightest bit upset then you have strong emotional control or you are not invested into the Fairy Tail characters. Or just Lucy for that matter.

Its one thing to dislike a chapter because you feel it repeats things you have already seen. Its another thing to ignore a character being tortured in a manga and the worst torture seen yet actually.

To emphasize how serious the torture was in the chapter. Lucy was bleeding from her mouth. At worst Natsu has suffered bruises and cuts, Gray sliced himself, Erza was battered fighting 100s of demons in this manga. None of that matches Lucy's current injuries.

Back when I made my earlier post in anger, it was to look forward to Natsu beating up Sting in revenge for Lucy's sake as part of the mob mentality. I didn't see the panel where Lucy was bleeding correctly the first time I posted in the thread.

Now its not even certain what will happen to Lucy. Levy narrating just became more foreboding. Not saying that Lucy will die as that is very unlikely.

Man I really should stop reading the chapter over and over again. Each time it just makes me mad and depressed.

Sorry for the long post but I had to share my feelings and opinions with everyone.

aquarius is a useless spirit

Quantized
July 13, 2012, 09:15 AM
My issue with this whole thing at this point is that it is over read because really in context we know nothing much about Saber tooth - other than some rather sadistic tendencies to show off their strength at the expense of others. Otherwise, we have no validation as to what they precisely seek other than trying to appear strong by trampling the weak. I think calling them sociopaths on such limited information of a very loosely thematic guild is just jumping the gun too much. Fact is all we need to see about Sabertooth is that they are villains for this arc, or largely becoming one now that Raven Tail is gone so that we start focusing on how the author tries to make them look bad. Moreover, I don't see this manga as having that sort of complexity in its characters since really what I was faulting it earlier was that its trying so hard to get its point across that it dumbs down things XD. So who are we to say what Saber tooth is after until we get an exposition chapter, don't get me wrong you're probably close to the point of what Saber tooth is given how simple the manga is, but just avoiding jumping the gun on what we don't know yet is best avoided even if we can see it a mile ahead as we need to retain being readers here not authors.

Think we're misunderstanding each others in an area :) I don't intend to say they are mental, however I just want to throw the thoughts / possibility out there, since I completely agree with you, we can't deduce that from this little information.
Heck, an intelligent psychopath can be so good at hiding that it can take months of talking for a professional to find any evidence, which is one reason corporations sometimes are so evil, they don't have regard/sympathy for other humans. That is however not all corporations, but psychopaths typically seek power, and they get that in strong corporations, especially if they're highly intelligent. That's also why I draw a parallel to Sabertooth, since I study in the areas of corporations, entrepreneurship, economic, organisation and psychology..
Maybe Mashima didn't think it through when making his villains, only catching a broad similarity to real life in Sabertooth and some misinformation.

I agree that this manga is very simple, and thus the characters are simple too, however it still smells, and it's typical shounen to make the villains mental, so maybe it's just not very well thought through real life similarities.

I know one can read too much into things, and I'm just saying it's a possibility, thus it would explain their illogical behaviour.
But just because something can explain a scenario, doesn't make it proof, that's why I don't say what I'm suggesting to be true, but a possibility.
What you're saying could be equally true, don't get me wrong, I only speak in terms of possibilities here, that's why we're discussing after all :)

El Maco
July 13, 2012, 09:17 AM
I guess that Mashima wants the last events/battles to be more tense as Fairy Tail will have to battle very hard to win the tournament.

That's were we're being led by the nose. We're all assuming that when Makarov agreed to enter the tournament for the money/honour, Natsu&co would win.
Even after the existence of Team B was revealed, it was still assumed, because of their name, they would end below Team A (even though they have Laxus).

Now, look at the scoreboard: FT B is in second place and FT A is only 6th.

Suppose that FT A gets disqualified for trashing Sabertooth outside the tournament: there will be six teams for the tag battle and FT B will finish 1st, as intended. For Makarov and Mavis, it doesn't matter who wins, as long as it's Fairy Tail.

Schabrak
July 13, 2012, 09:19 AM
"it was her fault that her keys were stolen".
Her fault? Minerva is able to let anything in that bubble explode out of nowhere and as it seems teleport things wherever she want to. How could Lucy have expected that?


Suppose that FT A gets disqualified for trashing Sabertooth outside the tournament: there will be six teams for the tag battle and FT B will finish 1st, as intended. For Makarov and Mavis, it doesn't matter who wins, as long as it's Fairy Tail.
It's one guild, both A and B would be disqualified for such a behaviour.

Impossibility
July 13, 2012, 09:19 AM
Everything was typical Fairy Tail, and then it wasn't. Aquarius continues to be the most useless spirit ever, and Juvia loses the plot again. Lucy hasn't had an easy ride this arc, a whole lot of misfortune. I'm curious to discover what Minerva's magic exactly is. And then I'd like to see Lucy completely stomp her. This has to be some sort of setup for another battle later on. I'd settle for Mirajane going insane, and completely wrecking her. I get the crazed, homicidal bit from Minerva, and sometimes it works. But, she just seems smug and simultaneously desperate, and Sabertooth's superiority complex is grating. And the reality is that we know that Fairy Tail could stomp them, they don't even need to build up to it.

Darjaille
July 13, 2012, 09:27 AM
In the Fighting Festival arc, Loke was able to go out on his own will and save Lucy in her fight against Bickslow, even when one of Bickslow's "babies" took Lucy's keys away from her (rendering her unable to fight efficiently).

I wonder what happened to her Celestial Spirits this time. There must be some sort of explanation for this. Like an interference thereby rendering her spirits incapable of going out of the spirit world on their own will.

Everything just seems inconsistent at this point (with regard to Lucy's Celestial Spirits that is).

Thanks for pointing that out ^_^

I agree that it seems inconsistent, but it's not like it happens only in FT. A common thing in all fiction, when a little bit of logic is sacrificed for the purpose of plot. And since FT isn't one of those manga where I insist on logic and stuff, I guess I'll just overlook it, after all it was for the purpose of maddening Natsu, Fairy Tail, the referees or maybe the whole stadium. And the more ST hurts FT, the more they're gonna pay for it, that's for sure.

Idk, I could start making up various excuses, like.. since the time flies faster in the Celestial World, maybe Loki just fell asleep for a while and didn't notice what is happening XDD Or maybe, since it's technically only a contest, not a life-threatening situation (although as we saw, that's not really true, though it should be), and the contest should judge Lucy's mage skill, they decided not to intervene and go save her using their own life-energy..

Actually, wouldn't that be trespassing rules? If Loki (or anyone) arrived using their own life-energy (as, let's say, that's the only way when Lucy doesn't have the keys on herself), it's no different from Natsu or Erza jumping in and saving her. No?

REN KOUEN
July 13, 2012, 09:35 AM
minerva seems to be possibly the most powerful member of sabertooth, this really wasnt a fair fight for lucy unless that worthless aquarius would have stuck around, and once again i am vastly dissapointed in juvia, this should have been her time to shine

Darjaille
July 13, 2012, 09:38 AM
Her fault? Minerva is able to let anything in that bubble explode out of nowhere and as it seems teleport things wherever she want to. How could Lucy have expected that?

>_____>;;

I was just theorizing about why no spirits came to help her of her own will. That maybe the bond between a stellar mage and their contracted spirits stops working when the mage loses their keys because they were not strong enough to prevent it from happening. Wondering whether there could be a rule like that. Rules aren't fair.
And well, mind that I love Lucy and she's my favorite character in Fairy Tail, but she did lack power to prevent it from happening. It's all on Minerva for being a bitch, because what she did was inhuman and sociopathic, but yes, Lucy isn't just as strong yet. Or maybe she could be, it's just her spirits that are uhm idiots (Aquarius and Taurus, at least) and she didn't have a chance to cast UranoMetoria or any other spells she might know... could be, but Minerva is a battle veteran that knows no pity or hesistance and she attacked Lucy before she even realized what happened.

So if we were talking in basic bounds, Lucy lost not because it was unfair, but because Minerva is stronger and merciless.
Doesn't mean what happened was less horrible than it was.

Newkerzy
July 13, 2012, 09:40 AM
Thanks for pointing that out ^_^
Actually, wouldn't that be trespassing rules? If Loki (or anyone) arrived using their own life-energy (as, let's say, that's the only way when Lucy doesn't have the keys on herself), it's no different from Natsu or Erza jumping in and saving her. No?

You could be right about that. Makarov could've handed in the registration form and all the paperwork necessary for the tournament. And one of them included a list of the guild members. If Loke is officially stated as an official guild member in the paperwork, then that would explain it all because if she didn't summon Loke through her key, they would be disqualified.

Schabrak
July 13, 2012, 09:47 AM
Rage point list <- (moments where rage spiked for me and most people I'm sure.)
I would add:
8. Natsu and Fairy Tail failing to save their nakama from getting massacred.

I'm not as angry about ST, as about FT and their behaviour. You can believe in someone all you want, but when it's clear that that s.o. is getting tortured, you go there and stop the situation. Lucy had no chance at tall for the five minutes and when everybody saw that it's starting to go wild for 30 seconds, all they did was glare at the other ST members.

El Maco
July 13, 2012, 09:51 AM
As pointed out by Darjaille, it's best to look at the plot and forgive the inconsistencies along the road, as long as they don't start dominating the story.

I'm going to be evil like Minerva and link to TV tropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Quotes/WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief) where there are some nice quotes about suspension of disbelief in fiction.

Krono
July 13, 2012, 10:53 AM
Actually, wouldn't that be trespassing rules? If Loki (or anyone) arrived using their own life-energy (as, let's say, that's the only way when Lucy doesn't have the keys on herself), it's no different from Natsu or Erza jumping in and saving her. No?

Good point. It'd be particularly true of Loki who is still technically a member of Fairy Tail.

RaveDragon
July 13, 2012, 10:57 AM
I know some people said that before, but wouldn't it be crazy if that was Gemini...

I keep thinking about the "zero points' rule that Mashima created for this event.

If Fairy Tail A gets 0 points for this event, there's almost no way they can beat Sabertooth.
He might do it so that there's more drama/tension and that they beat him in the very last battle, or something like that.

Or... if by any luck this was Gemini that was getting beat up, and that Lucy pushes Minerva outside the water, that would give zero points to Sabertooth.
And with the 10 points to Fairy Tail A and the 6 points to Fairy Tail B, that would give them a better chance to beat them in the end.

Either case are possible, but I still think that Lucy lost (either way, the referee stopped the match, right?)...
I guess that Mashima wants the last events/battles to be more tense as Fairy Tail will have to battle very hard to win the tournament.

To be honest as good as it would be to kick minerva out and shout 'SURPRISE BITCH" lucy would never let gemini get so beat up before taking action and where would she hide in a sphere of transparent water unless she learnt some stellar spell to make her invisible or something. Two, she had no keys so she had no summoning means. Three, this could push lucy to learn more stellar magic like uranometria to get stronger and also makes sense since those injuries will take a while to heal and this would make her easy to kidnap (although i think shes in the knights hands if his medics take her unless they take her to porylusca then i have no idea how theyd get her from the raijinshuu). this could also mean some development on what we dont know about lucy --->layla---> zeref--->dragons

Also Aquarius won't be happy of what happened she might even feel responsible.

To those asking why she didnt summon both her and Scorpio sand in the water isnt very controllable i think and those two stop fighting and start doing the cutesy couple the moment they see each other -.-'

wooticus
July 13, 2012, 11:11 AM
Wow, that chapter really was intense. I can't believe Mashima let FT watch while Lucy got hurt so much.

And i can't wait for FT reaction next chapter. One of the most intense moments in this Manga for me was Makarov seeing Levy, Droy & Jet spiked up by Gajeel. I can't imagine him sitting there without doing anything.

Natsu will have a very special reaction i guess. He won't go all out and attack ST like he did some chapters ago. He'll stay still, shocked, and giving ST a stare that will make them shit their paints.

Besides this: I just don't know who will fight against Minerva and beat her. Erza's role is so unsafe. She's involved too much into this whole Jellal thing... i'm not sure if she'll be up against Minerva.
Laxus vs Orga, Grey vs Memory Guy, Gajeel & Natsu vs Sting & Rogue is totally obvious, but i'm not sure whether it will be Erza vs Minerva - although both of them got hyped pretty hard.
As often i could certainly live with Gildarts appearing and tearing her apart.
As a bonus a fight of Makarov + Mavis vs. ST master would be awesome. Seeing her fight is something i would love to see, even more than seeing Igneel or Zeref going all out.

As for Lucy, my guess is not too wild i guess.
She's hardly injured on the verge of death, Wendy will hurry up to heal her but will fail, even polyushka. But never mind, we got sweet little Shelia there who might be able to safe her with her Wind God Slaying magic - but in that way she'll put some Zerefish power into Lucy which will be important later on.

crimsonlink310
July 13, 2012, 11:17 AM
I would add:
8. Natsu and Fairy Tail failing to save their nakama from getting massacred.

I'm not as angry about ST, as about FT and their behaviour. You can believe in someone all you want, but when it's clear that that s.o. is getting tortured, you go there and stop the situation. Lucy had no chance at tall for the five minutes and when everybody saw that it's starting to go wild for 30 seconds, all they did was glare at the other ST members.

Hmm thats an interesting viewpoint. I don't see it the same way as you because Natsu did yell out to Minerva to stop. It was right after Minerva stopped Lucy from going outside the bubble.

Remember that Arcadios told Mato to stop the match before Lucy died. If he didn't then all of FT would have stepped in no doubt.

Schabrak
July 13, 2012, 11:37 AM
It's not like only a character's death merits an interruption and it was not the goal of this match to fight, but throw everyone else out of the bubble. Minerva deliberately neglegted and stopped Lucy from getting out, that should be a reason for a warning and point reduction. That were around 30 seconds of pure torture, sound so little, but can in this case it was all fast and brutal attacks. Natsu did scream, I can scream all day too, nothing is changed by that. It was fair game for him to invade their HQ, but here he held back like a pussy. That's not the Natsu I know. All of FT should be ashamed of their restraint, now should be the time for Mavis to cry, not last chapter.



Actually, wouldn't that be trespassing rules? If Loki (or anyone) arrived using their own life-energy (as, let's say, that's the only way when Lucy doesn't have the keys on herself), it's no different from Natsu or Erza jumping in and saving her. No?
I think not acting in a vital situation is worse than losing the points she wouldn't get anyway.



Natsu will have a very special reaction i guess. He won't go all out and attack ST like he did some chapters ago. He'll stay still, shocked, and giving ST a stare that will make them shit their paints.
They just laughed in their face, nobody of ST will shit their pants, in anything they will mock them even more.

Ero-Sanji
July 13, 2012, 12:12 PM
It's not like only a character's death merits an interruption and it was not the goal of this match to fight, but throw everyone else out of the bubble. Minerva deliberately neglegted and stopped Lucy from getting out, that should be a reason for a warning and point reduction. That were around 30 seconds of pure torture, sound so little, but can in this case it was all fast and brutal attacks. Natsu did scream, I can scream all day too, nothing is changed by that. It was fair game for him to invade their HQ, but here he held back like a pussy. That's not the Natsu I know. All of FT should be ashamed of their restraint, now should be the time for Mavis to cry, not last chapter.

So, what exactly do you want them to do? Invade the waterbubble, and not only risk to get disqualified but also initiate a war against ST and endanger the life and health of Lucy? When Natsu invaded their hotel the only thing he risked was his own being.

Edelheld
July 13, 2012, 12:16 PM
I hope that Lucy's suffering were not in vain and she got 2nd place 'cos Minerva snapped right when timer was about to go to zero, so 5 min rule were not applied to Lucy.
I doubt that Erza vs. Minerva will take place 'cos there is already Erza vs. Kagura.
As someone wondered how did Sabertooth build up such a fame being cruel selfish jerks I think that sympathy for Lucy just clouds your vision. Remember how much you felt when Warcry was literally electrocuted and left severely wounded as Bacchus hinted. I doubt you felt much sorry for him. Because you haven't seen the pain, the suffering, the sorrow of the guy and his clan. You sought only devastating domination as does the crowd sees only victory and not the cost of it.

Schabrak
July 13, 2012, 12:19 PM
So, what exactly do you want them to do? Invade the waterbubble, and not only risk to get disqualified but also initiate a war against ST and endanger the life and health of Lucy? When Natsu invaded their hotel the only thing he risked was his own being.
Rescue Lucy from being beaten to a cripple by torture, not start fighting them for example. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. A nakama should always stand above any price money they could get.

Darjaille
July 13, 2012, 12:29 PM
I think not acting in a vital situation is worse than losing the points she wouldn't get anyway.


She might have gotten the points if she accomplished her goal of staying in for 5 minutes. She still might get them...

It's not like anyone wanted for her to be that beaten up. Hell they were almost leaping from their seats. Almost, of course, but she stood up for her guild, fought for it. As did Elfman, as did Erza and Wendy. All of them were all beaten up, and yes, Lucy was a lot worse, and it was immoral and unfair on top of that, but there was pride and I don't know what in it. It's just.. Fairy Tail?

Schabrak
July 13, 2012, 12:33 PM
As someone wondered how did Sabertooth build up such a fame being cruel selfish jerks I think that sympathy for Lucy just clouds your vision. Remember how much you felt when Warcry was literally electrocuted and left severely wounded as Bacchus hinted. I doubt you felt much sorry for him. Because you haven't seen the pain, the suffering, the sorrow of the guy and his clan. You sought only devastating domination as does the crowd sees only victory and not the cost of it.
Who is "you"? Don't generalize users please[that should be a forum law :E]. Don't doubt people you don't know, the attack was brutal and hard, but it was one single attack that took him out. And even than ST came over as a too brutal guild. Pity isn't confined to the FT protagonists.


She might have gotten the points if she accomplished her goal of staying in for 5 minutes. She still might get them...
Yeah that's true, but Mashima wrote it like that, but that was badly written Imo. One knew instantly that Lucy had no chance, that Minerva played with her, why nobody else came to that conclusion remains a mystery to me, not to you too?

An analogy: It's like fighting an MMA fighter, knowing full well that he could destroy you, but he keeps hitting you for fun, you will realize that he does that to mock you and will K.O. you only at the very end.

I know Mashima wants to make the "nakama and pride" point again, personally I wouldn't have felt that I kept my pride, there is no pride in a dirty fight Imo. If someone tries to stab me with a knife in a fist fight, I will shoot no matter what. Preservation of "pride" can wait for another day. I see how it furthers the plot and antagonism of ST, just don't agree with it.

Erza, Elfman and Wendy stood some chance and had the ability to fight, Lucy did not.

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I gave my opinion on those points in this and the posts before. I seem to prioritize the values of pride and life differently than FT. In a boxing match coaches are responsible for the white towel, woud like to have seen something like that from FT or better the judges for once. They obviousloy had to react with Raven Tail or saving Lucy for the final day.

You make it out to be, as if this unimportant[for their lifes] tournament, a way for fame and money, could scar somebody for life. Tbh, that would be idiotic and bad writting. The fight might have been okay until the 30 second mark, but I have bigger problems with the remaining seconds.

crimsonlink310
July 13, 2012, 12:51 PM
Rescue Lucy from being beaten to a cripple by torture, not start fighting them for example. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. A nakama should always stand above any price money they could get.

By the time Minerva dragged Lucy back in did FTA realize how dangerous it got in the battle. They knew better then to interfere while Lucy was conscious even as she was getting hurt. Not only would it disqualify them, but Lucy would never forgive them for not trusting in her ability to fight.

Acting out might have had more severe consequences as Minerva could have threatened Lucy's life if FT tried to interrupt the battle or Minerva could have killed Lucy on purpose.

Its easy to say that one should act to stop their friends from being hurt no matter what. But there are moments where friends can/will not do anything to help.

This happens in Shounen manga all the time. Natsu and co are really angry right now, that is all we can look forward to for next week.

Say if Natsu went ballistic and rescued Lucy. FTA and possibly B could be disqualified or they would suffer point penalties.

Its easy to say as a reader that hell yeah Lucy's life is worth more than some money and prestige. But to Lucy, she would forever bear the mark as the one who cost FT their ticket back into the big leagues. While FT wouldn't care as a whole, that one event would destroy Lucy's character and psychologically scar her for the rest of the manga. Her own team doesn't trust her to fight her own battles.

People would post on this forum talking about what else Lucy is going to ruin next even as a mean spirited joke.

RaveDragon
July 13, 2012, 12:58 PM
To be honest i don't know why people say that lucy could have NEVER won, if she had uranometria or maybe started achieving more new caster moves or more new combos she would have had a chance, it was just bad luck and probably plot required this for her to move on this story.

Lucy till now lost one of her battles in the manga that doesn not mean she will lose the rest for sure. And yes she isnt the strongest but she is smart its that the event was not her forte and her keys werent with her so she couldnt drag aquarius back to help her out (which she would have, she loves lucy just as much as her other spirits shes just too tsundere to admit).

She is getting better in my opinion, this is just what i think...

then again we needed something to get her in arcadios hands (his medics will probably take her although porylusca will probably be there as fts healer and warn ft when its a bit latish) and to get people and ft angry at st

Schabrak
July 13, 2012, 01:11 PM
To be honest i don't know why people say that lucy could have NEVER won, if she had uranometria or maybe started achieving more new caster moves or more new combos she would have had a chance, it was just bad luck and probably plot required this for her to move on this story.

Lucy till now lost one of her battles in the manga that doesn not mean she will lose the rest for sure. And yes she isnt the strongest but she is smart its that the event was not her forte and her keys werent with her so she couldnt drag aquarius back to help her out (which she would have, she loves lucy just as much as her other spirits shes just too tsundere to admit).

She is getting better in my opinion, this is just what i think...

then again we needed something to get her in arcadios hands (his medics will probably take her although porylusca will probably be there as fts healer and warn ft when its a bit latish) and to get people and ft angry at st
There is no way she could have casted uranometria under those circumstances without keys. She is a spirit fighter, her whip wouldn't be of much use what kind of non-stellar spirit combos do you mean?

That's her second[Flare & Minerva] loss in this tournament already.

Let's agree that the need for plot progression is to blame for the situation.^^

RaveDragon
July 13, 2012, 01:25 PM
There is no way she could have casted uranometria under those circumstances without keys. She is a spirit fighter, her whip wouldn't be of much use what kind of non-stellar spirit combos do you mean?

That's her second[Flare & Minerva] loss in this tournament already.

Let's agree that the need for plot progression is to blame for the situation.^^

Just wanted to clarify that i didnt mean uranometria but she could have pulled of some other magic and then it would be explained like maybe her father gave her her moms journal of when she was a mage with a few celestial spells in it.

but yes I'm with you xD plot progression is too blame KILL IT WITH FIRE..wait no nevermind :lmao

Morlun
July 13, 2012, 01:39 PM
I find it quite interesting that no one has mentioned the amazing amount of fan service in this chapter, even when Lucy is half-beat she delivers... I'm amazed over the fact that Minerva wasn't less "covered" than she was in this event.

If Minerva had less clothing, we would have found her hotter, and we wouldn't hate her so much. :p

Schabrak
July 13, 2012, 01:46 PM
If Minerva had less clothing, we would have found her hotter, and we wouldn't hate her so much. :p
More like the rest of the participants are to revealing most of the time, less is not always better. Bikinis for fights. :fail That sports bra and tights made her stand out more than the rest.

zerocooldx
July 13, 2012, 01:46 PM
The point is that she has forsaken Lucy, which lead to a half dead master. Morally she's not better than any of the ST members. Her justification is nothing but selfish, not in spirit of her other spirits or FT.


Aquarius not "forsaking" Lucy would have still led to the exact same outcome. Lucy could have brought out as many spirits as she wanted to and had as much help from the other participants in the event against Minerva and she would have still won regardless, which was stated in the chapter. Like i said yes Aquarius leaving Lucy does suck and you can thrown in there questions of morality and whatever else you like, but it didn't change the outcome one tiny bit. Lucy would still be half dead. And never mind Aquarius the person thats going to take this the hardest is going to be Natsu and not just because of the obvious reason, but because this was Minerva's response to what he did. Sabertooth may not care about its individual members, but it damn sure cares about the reputation of its guild as was clearly demonstrated by Minerva.

Schabrak
July 13, 2012, 01:55 PM
Those are assumptions, we will never know how the fight would have gone on, had she stayed with Lucy. Having problems against a water woman like Juvia is a completely thing than facing Minerva. Don't you wonder why Juvia was put out of the bubble? She likely had a serious chance, but Mashima just neutralized her for the plot and no other reason, degrading her to a pure comedy character again. :(

Nonetheless the important point is, that Aquarius favoured an affair over a fight for her master, which made no sense after the visit to the spirit world just a couple days ago. If someone relies on you in an important situation and you just leave for some petty reason, and that someone suffers greatly without you, you should feel ashamed of yourself. There is nothing to discuss about this. Betrayal might be a sharp word, but that's the definition of her behaviour.

kkck
July 13, 2012, 02:24 PM
BTW, anyone wondered why lucy didn't have her water whip? Perhaps it would not have worked underwater but the author could have cared to explain why lucy didn't have her one weapon in a battle where she is allowed to take weapons.

zerocooldx
July 13, 2012, 02:32 PM
Those are assumptions, we will never know how the fight would have gone on, had she stayed with Lucy. Having problems against a water woman like Juvia is a completely thing than facing Minerva. Don't you wonder why Juvia was put out of the bubble? She likely had a serious chance, but Mashima just neutralized her for the plot and no other reason, degrading her to a pure comedy character again. :(

They aren't really assumptions at all. Both Orga and Minerva herself stated that her magical power is so great that she could have easily not only won the competition but done so while taking out everyone else single handedly. There is no speculation or assumption about that. Everyone in Sabertooth who knows her power called the match long before it was over.

kkck
July 13, 2012, 02:34 PM
One thing, I do wonder if lucy will receive 0 points. The rule if I recall was that if within those 5 minutes either contestant got thrown out of the water that contestant would win the least points. Now, the last time we saw the timer was at 30 seconds, just as minerva stopped to finally beat the shit out of lucy. Not to mention that the pumpkin guy actually stopped the match before we saw minerva push her out of the water. Perhaps some of this will affect whether lucy received the points? If the match was stopped before she went out of the water the rule technically wouldn't apply.

Krono
July 13, 2012, 02:47 PM
They aren't really assumptions at all. Both Orga and Minerva herself stated that her magical power is so great that she could have easily not only won the competition but done so while taking out everyone else single handedly. There is no speculation or assumption about that. Everyone in Sabertooth who knows her power called the match long before it was over.

Actually it's not so much that her raw power is that great, but that her type of magic allows her to teleport people. Just like she teleported Juvia out of the water, and Lucy back to the center of the water, Minerva could have just teleported everyone else out of it at the start.

Schabrak
July 13, 2012, 02:50 PM
They aren't really assumptions at all. Both Orga and Minerva herself stated that her magical power is so great that she could have easily not only won the competition but done so while taking out everyone else single handedly. There is no speculation or assumption about that. Everyone in Sabertooth who knows her power called the match long before it was over.
High magical power doesn't signify the ability to use it, as can be seen from this chapter too. Nobody would have thought that her keys would be stolen, just as they hadn't thought that Minerva would torture her. Yet it did happen, it's some of the stuff that can happen in a battle, I know her other spirits could have helped her, yet that didn't happen. Do you really believe that Aquarius did act with concern for Lucy and the other spirits? It was pure selfishness. Lucy winning or not is not part of my argument, it's the actions of Minerva and her stellar spirit.


BTW, anyone wondered why lucy didn't have her water whip? Perhaps it would not have worked underwater but the author could have cared to explain why lucy didn't have her one weapon in a battle where she is allowed to take weapons.
Mashima decided to use his time on more fanservice and creating hate, not letting his characters being rational.

thousandIN1
July 13, 2012, 03:36 PM
i actually think that because what aquarius did, she will decide not to be lucy's spirit and try to repent(however celestial spirits do that). which will cause some sort of backfiring to happen to arcadios plan, seeing as how he needs 12 keys. actually was it ever stated he needed all 12 zodiac keys or just a celestial wizard cause if it's the latter then my first point is moot. if minerva really wanted to get back at fairy tail then why didn't she trash juvia before she kicked her out, that would have made her seem more like a monster IMO. and i do believe that this was payback for what natsu did.
i have a couple predictions for next chapter.
1. lucy's spirits all concentrate their celestial power(nakama power) and give her the energy necessary to pull minerva out of the water with her causing even more tension for the battle part which i hope will have the phantom pair!!
2. lucy's spirits all come out through force after sensing lucy's vitals signs fall and all confront minerva(since they are all spirits, fairy tail technically can't get disqualified) but minerva lays waste to all of them and before fairy tail can actually interfere they are stopped by makarov saying the samething minerva told natsu "that they'll settle this in the tournament"
3. we see lucy hooked up to a life support machine with wendy and grandinee(edolas) the medics say she has a fractured ribs and some internal damage. wendy gets emotional and starts to flash back a couple of panals on how lucy is caring and etc. and starts to tear up and vows not forgive sabretooth. lucy tells her that as long as they win then she'll be happy. charle senses another premonition. as the battles are about to begin we see mato getting victimized by arcadios for not stopping the match in time and tells him he has one last chance. then mato is shown explaining the special rules of the tag match; rule 1) the special tag match will be that of a wrestling tag match where the person has to tag his partner for them to switch, each team will be placed in corners across from each other. 2) each team will be given a special striker summon, where if they see their partner getting beat they can interfere to assist anyway they see fit, limit 3. 3) not really a rule but since sabretooth is the strongest in fiore then they'll have to go twice and seeing as they have the most points. then we see LS make quick work out of QP(lyon and eyebrow guy) then MH(beth/rizley) vs BP(ichaiya/hibiki) finally ST1(rouge/minerva) vs FTB (gajeel/juvia) ST2(sting/rouge??!!) vs FTA(natsu/wendy) FTB ends up losing. this a lot for one chapter though.
4. since QP has the least amount of points i'd guess they'd get a chance to catch up and go twice.
5. the tag match has you teaming up with other guilds, so natsu/rabbit vs sting/toby ect. any team might have a chance to win.

exacta
July 13, 2012, 03:38 PM
They aren't really assumptions at all. Both Orga and Minerva herself stated that her magical power is so great that she could have easily not only won the competition but done so while taking out everyone else single handedly. There is no speculation or assumption about that. Everyone in Sabertooth who knows her power called the match long before it was over.

I don't take Sabertooths judgment too seriously though. They've proven enough times they can be wrong and let their arrogance get the better of them....Sting has been shocked a couple of times now by Fairy Tails power, even admitting that he didn't think they were that strong. Yukino also severely underestimated Kagura, and Sting again made that shocked face. Plus, Orga looked shocked when Jura scored much higher than him in the MPF game, and he's one of the Ten Wizard Saint's, shouldn't have been that surprising ....Sabertooth's cockiness can definitely blind their judgment.

Juvia can become water itself, that should've been able to give her a huge advantage, and Chelia had a bad match-up. Those two were the ones I'd say were underestimated.

Ero-Sanji
July 13, 2012, 03:39 PM
Rescue Lucy from being beaten to a cripple by torture, not start fighting them for example. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. A nakama should always stand above any price money they could get.

By rescuing her they have to force Minerva back somehow, and that my friend will lead to a large conflict. Second, this was a long shot from torture and a great exaggeration from Gajeel by using that word. This kind of beating has appeared before in the manga. There's also a sense of pride in this, what do you think would happen to Lucy if she was saved yet again, sometimes they have to stand for themselves, this time she lost, miserably, but don't blame it on her nakamas, no one said being a Mage is easy. It's just like real fighting events in our world, sometimes good fellas meet nasty ones who'll beat them to a pulp but seldom do their friends spontaneously jump in to help, it's shock and respect. Third, this tournament isn't all about prize money for FT, it's about great pride over their guild in which they have trained so hard to regain, they can't just jump in just like that.

NaLuMoment
July 13, 2012, 03:43 PM
Wow, what's wrong with Mashima, Lucy is really f***ed up in this arc. ö_ö Mentally and physically... poor Lucy. ;(

Finale
July 13, 2012, 03:52 PM
Sabretooth needs to remember they have their best people concentrated in ONE team, while Fairy Tail's are spread out among 2. Would Sabretooth fare as well if they had two teams in the competition? probably not. Imagine a single Fairy Tail team that has Erza, Laxus, Mirajane, Gerard, and Natsu with the others as alternates. That team would own especially if Gildartz had came to the tournament as well. I'm really surprised Lucy and Juvia didn't do unison raid and take everyone out I was expecting that move especially with the water setting.

kkck
July 13, 2012, 04:22 PM
Odds are lucy and jubia would have doubled teamed minerva had they gotten the chance but minerva got rid of her rather fast as soon as jubia got distracted. I guess she took out jubia as fast as she could as she was the only actual threat there.

On another note, was the boost jubia received from the second source of magic greater than the one lucy got? Before the timeskip we had a confrontation between aquarius and jubia and at the time it was aquarius who had the upperhand. This time around jubia and aquarius actually cancelled each other out which would suggest greater growth from jubia than from lucy.

Schabrak
July 13, 2012, 04:34 PM
By rescuing her they have to force Minerva back somehow, and that my friend will lead to a large conflict.

Second, this was a long shot from torture and a great exaggeration from Gajeel by using that word. This kind of beating has appeared before in the manga.

There's also a sense of pride in this, what do you think would happen to Lucy if she was saved yet again, sometimes they have to stand for themselves, this time she lost, miserably, but don't blame it on her nakamas, no one said being a Mage is easy...

Third, this tournament isn't all about prize money for FT, it's about great pride over their guild in which they have trained so hard to regain, they can't just jump in just like that.
Or it would have not, because FT would have lost that match or tournament anyway.

If you beat someone up for no apparant reason that to hurt that somebody than it's called torture. It happening before doesn't makes this or any other such situation any less a case of torture. It only taking 30 seconds or five minutes doesn't make it less of a case too. What has driven you to think otherwise? Oo

tor·ture   [tawr-cher] noun, verb, tor·tured, tor·tur·ing.
noun

the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
a method of inflicting such pain.



No one said you should play dirty in a tournament, the judges are good-for-nothings. Case in point: they shouldn't have allowed it.

Friendship > fame, I won't deviate from that opinion.
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I see me going in circles with my argumentation, so that will be it for now, unless there's a new topic to discuss.

Edelheld
July 13, 2012, 04:49 PM
Who is "you"? Don't generalize users please[that should be a forum law :E]. Don't doubt people you don't know, the attack was brutal and hard, but it was one single attack that took him out. And even than ST came over as a too brutal guild. Pity isn't confined to the FT protagonists.
"You" like anyone who will think that it was applied to him. Because there is a lot of "you" and only one "me" to remember "who said..." rather than "...said what" and I have no time for both.
The words like "I think" indicate that it's only my opinion. You say I should not have my own opinion about what other people might feel? Interesting, but I have to disagree. Because empathy is the crucial thing for the well being of our society. And if my opinion is wrong then fix it not forbid me from expressing it.
With your "but it was one single attack" you just proved my point that if you don't see the exact suffering then you don't feel much for the one who's suffering. Warcry suffered huge damage to his heart and nerve system. In reality that just leaves you crippled for life if you are unlucky enough to survive. You won't see him having defibrillation, learning to control his body again through damaged nerve system and fighting some brain damage as memory loses and so on. You don't see it so there is nothing to worry about.
On the other hand, for Lucy's beat up you see her suffering and that makes you feel for her more. The total damage for both Warcry and Lucy is roughly the same but the reaction to that is completely different.
So that's why people never took Sabertooth as being bad. They were brutal simply because they totally dominated their enemies not because they were intentionally sadistic(though after that fight with Lucy it may be changed).

zerocooldx
July 13, 2012, 05:12 PM
High magical power doesn't signify the ability to use it, as can be seen from this chapter too. Nobody would have thought that her keys would be stolen, just as they hadn't thought that Minerva would torture her. Yet it did happen, it's some of the stuff that can happen in a battle, I know her other spirits could have helped her, yet that didn't happen. Do you really believe that Aquarius did act with concern for Lucy and the other spirits? It was pure selfishness. Lucy winning or not is not part of my argument, it's the actions of Minerva and her stellar spirit.

"High magical power doesn't signify the ability to use it"...ok...except that no one mentioned anything about just having high magical power. I don't know how much clearer Mashima could have made it that Minerva would have crushed everyone in the competition regardless if Lucy had Aquarius out there or every other spirit in her possession or even if everyone ganged up on Minerva. No one said that Minerva just had high magical power and thus left speculation as to if and how she could have used that power. It was blatantly stated that the way she uses her power would granted her an easy victory over everyone at once. There is no grey area there. Its Minerva > everyone else regardless of the conditions.

dragons4life
July 13, 2012, 05:14 PM
Here is my prediction for the next chapter:

1. Makarov will maybe become all giant and shout "SABERTOOTH!!!!!!!!!!" while ST goes and laugh and Sting will probably say "Oh, man. Somebody is pissed. Kukukuku"
2. Natsu goes out on the field and catches Lucy as Minerva drops her and looks at ST with his murder face and will probably do a dragoncry.
3. Same as number 2 but after Natsu catches Lucy and apologizes to her saying it's all his fault for starting a war with ST and calls out for Wendy and then Wendy asking Chelia for her help on healing Lucy.
4. (Which I think is more likely) Sting enters a flashback when he first heard about Natsu and some sh*t.
5. (This isn't exactly for 292 but it's for Natsu vs Sting, also Rogue is there as well) Rogue watches the fight between Natsu and Sting for some unknown reason and at some point Sting and Natsu break from each other and Sting asks Rogue if he isn't going to help him out, Rogue says that Minerva went to far in the naval battle and rants about nakama and stuff, which leads Sting and Rogue to argue about it and then the argue ends up with Rogue shouting "Then I quit!" much to the ST members surprise and the crowds surprise, especially Sting.
6. (Still Natsu vs Sting prediction) Natsu goes all Dragon Force on Sting and rants about nakama, Lucy and being a real DS and pulverizes Sting and K.O.'s Sting for good :super

Zehahaha
July 13, 2012, 05:34 PM
Here is my prediction for the next chapter:

1. Makarov will maybe become all giant and shout "SABERTOOTH!!!!!!!!!!" while ST goes and laugh and Sting will probably say "Oh, man. Somebody is pissed. Kukukuku"
2. Natsu goes out on the field and catches Lucy as Minerva drops her and looks at ST with his murder face and will probably do a dragoncry.
3. Same as number 2 but after Natsu catches Lucy and apologizes to her saying it's all his fault for starting a war with ST and calls out for Wendy and then Wendy asking Chelia for her help on healing Lucy.
4. (Which I think is more likely) Sting enters a flashback when he first heard about Natsu and some sh*t.
5. (This isn't exactly for 292 but it's for Natsu vs Sting, also Rogue is there as well) Rogue watches the fight between Natsu and Sting for some unknown reason and at some point Sting and Natsu break from each other and Sting asks Rogue if he isn't going to help him out, Rogue says that Minerva went to far in the naval battle and rants about nakama and stuff, which leads Sting and Rogue to argue about it and then the argue ends up with Rogue shouting "Then I quit!" much to the ST members surprise and the crowds surprise, especially Sting.
6. (Still Natsu vs Sting prediction) Natsu goes all Dragon Force on Sting and rants about nakama, Lucy and being a real DS and pulverizes Sting and K.O.'s Sting for good :super

That Sting doesn't deserve being defeated by Dragon Force. Piece of trash.

THM Nindo
July 13, 2012, 07:02 PM
Yeah sorry this is an even bigger contradiction since I think Lucy would have to turn evil before she used her Celestial Spirit as a scape goat. Besides since when does winning the tournament matter when we already know that by the 7th day something happens that will destroy the stadium - and most likely invalidating or dwarfing the significance of the actual tournament for whatever event is going to take place. Which is the real build up at this point not necessarily who will win.

Ah, you're 100% right.
She would never use her celestial spirit like that.

I was thinking to much like if it was Naruto using a clone.

NAM61
July 13, 2012, 07:26 PM
i think sting is asking for a but kicking he will probably lose to natsu big and not only lose the fight but his pride i think he will be kicked out of ST after the lose. he is just asking for a namaka punch and it is coming

JunKisaragi
July 13, 2012, 08:10 PM
Hmm...

I just searched for the meaning of the name "Minerva" and a site says it means "the mind". My guess to what her power is that it must be a combination of telekinesis (that's why she was able to land blows to Lucy from afar) and teleportation (actually taking the keys, not to mention Lucy, and instantaneously bringing them to her).

If she's also Psychic (Telepath. Wow, triple whammy!) then the explanation as to why Minerva busted Lucy up is to get even with Natsu's barging in on their guild, knowing how much Natsu cares for Lucy.

Well, I guess these are baseless as my guesses are derived from the meaning of the name Minerva and not the actual turn of events. Just trying my "luck" for next week's chapter. Hehe.

thousandIN1
July 13, 2012, 10:22 PM
i personally think gray should have been in the bubble seeing as how he likes to get naked, could you imagine to how juvia would react. those gloves that minerva wears seem a bit suspicous. i think those gloves are the source of her powers. i mean why would you wear them in the water?? besides fashion purposes.

dark angel KaRamo
July 13, 2012, 11:07 PM
^I would understand natsu but why Gajeel? (well, i guess he did become closer to ft now)

OMG those raw o-o I don't understand what my feelings are doing its lucy vs flare all over again...but why so violent only with Lucy (and not juvia) is it because she's on natsu's team?...

I believe the reason why minerva did that to lucy was because of what natsu did when he broke in an lay waste to there man they want pay back for it and as for juvia you got to easily distracted over gray i mean your right up there in S class level and got taking out with a push

there are so many fight i wanna see Natsu vs sting, gray vs lion, Ezra vs minerva or kagura, jellal vs kagura if it happens, laxus vs orga, Gajeel vs Rogue if he's still in sabertooth.

this chapter was good it just fuel the fire to make fairy tail not just natsu over the top angry at sabertooth and since natsu has the flame of emotion this is going to be one hell of a battle but i feel so bad for lucy and i just love how fairy tail look at sabertooth with so much angry oh! man, And the why how sting is laughing at the end i can't wait still natsu kicks his ass i didn't know sting was like that (you thing you know a guy lol) Rogue is nothing like sting he's the only one in sabertooth i like. Man sabertooth is going to have hell to pay when fairy tail focuses on them only, No holding back sabertooth the previous number 1 guild is coming for you ............(ROAR!!!!!!!!!!!!)

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i personally think gray should have been in the bubble seeing as how he likes to get naked, could you imagine to how juvia would react. those gloves that minerva wears seem a bit suspicious. i think those gloves are the source of her powers. i mean why would you wear them in the water?? besides fashion purposes.

or maybe it's to protect her from her own magic it may be a forbidden magic or just has side effect to her hands then again it may just helps to restrain her magic

http://dailyanimeart.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/sabertooth-vs-fairy-tail-e1342178522619.png

Man sabertooth is going to have hell to pay when fairy tail focuses on them only, No holding back sabertooth the previous number 1 guild is coming for you ............(ROAR!!!!!!!!!!!!)

JunKisaragi
July 14, 2012, 02:01 AM
Hmm...

Mangastream has a different translation for the next chapter's title: "All Thoughts Unite".

I'm thinking this could be the start of the Fairy Tail vs Sabertooth all-out brawl (no duh?), as FT unites to finish them who have wronged Lucy

or quite possibly,

Sabertooth's downfall in the eyes of everyone in the arena, as they realize that they're just heartless monsters. I seem to remember FT over the past few chapters slowly getting the audience's attention (and/or their love).

frozen18ice
July 14, 2012, 02:34 AM
i think that this chapter is so far one of the most brutal beat down of one of the fairy tale members that we have seen so far. a lot of people like lucy because she has a lot of pride and heart about her that makes her even hard to see being so trashed. looking at the situation and made trying to make sense of it with the actions or lack of action of her celestial spirits to aid her could be from respect towards her and how they believe in lucy and does not want her to lose her own believe in herself.

we all know that a number of her spirits rescue her many times than one can count, holugrum saves her when they where sent to ebolas, save wendy from hades,
virgo comes out on her own saving her or gives her weapons or ask for punishments,
loki suddenly appearing from nowhere to save her,
gemini helping her in the ora sion sei arc without her calling them.
this could be a testament on how much they have faith in her that they cant just jump in like they always do for her in a normal fight.
we also know that it does not stop her spirits from coming out even without her keys loki can go out from the celestial place without her permission like in the s class test or the time she was about to get hurt in the raijishi arc when loki saves her from harm.

this tournament for how strong mage's power not, how she can get assist.

it make me even wonder aquarious intentions of leaving what if she knows if juvia and her go all out lucy will be hurt in the process and using her having a date as an excuse, because we have seen a combination with juvia and lucy and its dangerous.

but then again i could be wrong its possible that her spirits will appear from nowhere to save her but i have this feeling that it wont happen for their respect for her abilities they wont come out to save her that would hurt lucy more than the beat down she got from minerva her own trusted and loved spirits not believing her own power you might as well kill lucy.

i do really hope that they dont come out but half of me wish that this is just gemini dress as lucy and she is fine and they dont care and just save lucy from the beat down. but half of me thinks that it is her and her spirts are not helping out of respect for her.

this chapter also makes me think that its not the keys arcidios is really after but more of the actual celestial mage itself.

Ero-Sanji
July 14, 2012, 03:12 AM
Or it would have not, because FT would have lost that match or tournament anyway.

If you beat someone up for no apparant reason that to hurt that somebody than it's called torture. It happening before doesn't makes this or any other such situation any less a case of torture. It only taking 30 seconds or five minutes doesn't make it less of a case too. What has driven you to think otherwise? Oo

No one said you should play dirty in a tournament, the judges are good-for-nothings. Case in point: they shouldn't have allowed it.

Friendship > fame, I won't deviate from that opinion.
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I see me going in circles with my argumentation, so that will be it for now, unless there's a new topic to discuss.

What do you mean by no apparent reason? Violence is never justified, but calling this torture is an exaggeration from Gajeel, this is pure assault. What I meant by "this has happened before", is that no one called it torture at those points, the only reason why you call this torture is because Gajeel used that word, which I think is a great exaggeration. "Play dirty", is an interesting word, what does it mean? That she broke a rule? or that she did more than necessary? But if more than necessary is within the rules, then has she done wrong in terms of the tournament? This was easily an act of brutality, but if it's within the rules than so be it, change them next year. "nullum crimen sine lege".

SerpentTailedAngel
July 14, 2012, 03:50 AM
... so if Minerva tortured a girl out of spite... in front of everyone...
why is that guild still popular?

I don't want to see Fairy Tail kick their asses outside the arena. I want to see the crowd do it.

xeteboi
July 14, 2012, 04:00 AM
This is getting boring and boring, Lucy is trashed again and its pointless for her to join the battle, i dont have any theory about the plot on stellar spirits but again i voted bad.. I hope juvia match that minerva but she keeps getting annoying...

Schabrak
July 14, 2012, 04:22 AM
What do you mean by no apparent reason? Violence is never justified...

the only reason why you call this torture is because Gajeel used that word, which I think is a great exaggeration.

"Play dirty", is an interesting word, what does it mean? That she broke a rule? or that she did more than necessary? But if more than necessary is within the rules, then has she done wrong in terms of the tournament? This was easily an act of brutality, but if it's within the rules than so be it, change them next year. "nullum crimen sine lege".
"Denying the Truth Does Not Make it Any Less True." If you don't like the definition of what it has been for centuries, you might want to send a mail to oxford, demaning a change. You let someone beat you to a pulp without defending yourself with violence? Are you a total pacifist? There was no reason, because she could have accomplished the games goal without battering Lucy with dozens of explosions. She didn't know Lucy, she just wanted to hurt her for being a FT member, which had nothing to do with the water bubbles games goals.

I don't even remember Gajeel saying that, so don't act as if you know what I thought about. It's clear torture in any country of this world.

It should not have been allowed to act in such a way, which is pretty much self-explanatory.

Ninja_Pirate
July 14, 2012, 05:00 AM
Mashiima has shown in this chapter the brutality from sabertooth to FT so that "hate" for saber tooth can be build up////

We as the readers are seeing it and developing hate for sure towards ST as FT is the hero guild in our eyes and Mashima also has the same intention to show such thing in the chapter... But what i liked is the crowd is cheering up for ST and in people's eyes ST is the hero guild.. they are the one around for last seven years... and for FT it is "out of sight out of mind"

For example when we see WWE.. even when a weak opponent comes against Brock lesnar or bigshow or undertaker and get brutally beaten and lost .. even when the opponent is down we viewers or the cheering crowd want them to deliver their finishing move on the immovable opponent/...

Schabrak
July 14, 2012, 06:20 AM
Only that WWE is fake wrestling and everybody is an actor. It's not real, this was very much "real".

RaveDragon
July 14, 2012, 06:22 AM
"All thoughts unite"
makes me think we're gonna get st vs fta right off the bat or maybe we're gonna get some highlight of the underplot

ghostexiled
July 14, 2012, 06:24 AM
Guys, lets try to stick with discussing Fairy Tail the series and leave any other form of entertainment or series out of the thread.

If allowed to continue, the thread would spiral into a completely different discussion about things that have nothing to do with Fairy Tail.

I get that sometimes analogies need to be made it get your point across... but try not to make your entire post hinge on that alone.

Side note, guys lets cool it off on arguing with each other over how the events were perceived between Minerva vs. Lucy. Given, its fine to state your view and opinion about it, but sometimes you need to " agree to disagree" and leave it at that.

Thanks!

Razh
July 14, 2012, 07:02 AM
Well, I think Lucy is kinda faking so she can get her hands on the keys. I think the fight is not over yet. It would be a shame since Lucy didn't really spend much magic there.

Kuzumikun
July 14, 2012, 07:07 AM
WOW! Such a hard chapter to read... What I didn't like was Lucy being tortured again! But i agree with everyone saying it's good character development for her. It just hurts me to see my favorite character get beated to a pulp. I think Minerva shouldn't get any points! First she uses her own magic to bring Lucy back. Second she tortured Lucy! GAH if Lucy doesn't gain any points that is freakin BS! GAH!

hoeru
July 14, 2012, 08:11 AM
Okay, after I got used to the chapter and the fight between Minerva and Lucy, I have to admit that Mashima actually successfully trolled me as I tried not to judge Minerva by her appearance. So, I really saw her only as proud, almost arrogant but still being a strong character you have to be careful of - but I didn't want her to see as an ugly bitch. But now she follows the line of Angel, Karen, Flare etc.

And the guild members' behaviour as they looked down on Lucy quite falls back on the whole Sabertooth guild. The only one who stood out of this was Rogue (http://www.mangaeden.com/en-manga/fairy-tail/291/14/). And I think he'll leave Sabertooth at some point of this arc. (Maybe on the last day, so ST can't continue with only four team members?)

But even then: Minerva needs to be returned some justice - and I really hope that Mashima isn't going to be wasting Elsa on her but this time Juvia or Mirajane.

What I'm also curious about: Why the hell did Aquarius leave the battle field? That "funny" twist led into Lucy losing her keys, and we'll likely never know if Lucy had a chance by summoning Leo or Capricorn. So I wonder what she's got to say to Lucy after all, even if Lucy's going to forgive her anyways. I know Aquarius is not quite reliable, but I'm really disappointed by Aquarius at this point.

BTW: Mangateers forgot to mention Jenny (http://www.mangaeden.com/en-manga/fairy-tail/291/4/) was replacing Eve (http://mangateers.com/manga/fairy-tail-raw/291/5/), and Mangastreem misinterpreted (http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/83075428/10) "Eve" to be Jenny's family name...

RaveDragon
July 14, 2012, 08:16 AM
I can see Lucy's spirits coming out with their magic to see her now maybe aquarius will have something to say who knows, we have to see the aftermath of this next week so maybe we'll just see the start of the battles...

El Maco
July 14, 2012, 08:33 AM
Mangastream has a different translation for the next chapter's title: "All Thoughts Unite".


"Omoi o hitotsu ni", "in single mind/sentiment/heart".
All of Fairy Tail together against Sabertooth. Not that they aren't united by comradery to begin with.

The more I try to think what will be in next chapter, the more I realise how wrong most predictions are. If they weren't, it would be boring indeed.

Oh, and Minerva is the Roman equivalent of Athena, you know, the one that sprang from Zeus' forehead. According to Wikipedia: the virgin goddess of poetry, medicine, wisdom, commerce, weaving, crafts, magic. Probably chosen for the last.

JunKisaragi
July 14, 2012, 09:37 AM
"Omoi o hitotsu ni", "in single mind/sentiment/heart".
All of Fairy Tail together against Sabertooth. Not that they aren't united by comradery to begin with.

The more I try to think what will be in next chapter, the more I realise how wrong most predictions are. If they weren't, it would be boring indeed.

Oh, and Minerva is the Roman equivalent of Athena, you know, the one that sprang from Zeus' forehead. According to Wikipedia: the virgin goddess of poetry, medicine, wisdom, commerce, weaving, crafts, magic. Probably chosen for the last.

Oh, sorry about that. What I meant was that the translation is different compared to Mangateers' version "I am only thinking of one".

And yup, I am well aware of Minerva the goddess. What I was looking for was the meaning of the name, which in theory could have something to do with a character's magical power.

Narosian
July 14, 2012, 10:25 AM
The mangateers version actually says "I am only thinking of one thing" but the last word is half off the bottom of the page.

frozen18ice
July 14, 2012, 11:31 AM
i think bitchinerva's powers is similar to libra lucy mentions feeling heavy like lead she could made the water move faster than usual to create heat. could be the reason why makino was used to take her place whaile she was in mission coz libras powers is similar to minervatch.
damm a few reads im still not fine with the whole situation arrr.

part of my hopes that lucy suddenly holds minervas hand and do a lucy kick on her face then pass out out side the ring that would make my day

Manta33
July 14, 2012, 11:37 AM
I am not too sure but have we ever seen Lucy's spirits come out on their own when she doesn't have her keys? I think maybe the reason they couldn't help her is because she lost them. Otherwise they could have appeared without her asking. Not sure if that's true or not though...

^^For some reason I don't think Lucy is going to turn this around. The fight has already been stopped. i think this is the beginning of the real trouble for Lucy. I could easily see Iwan kidnapping her with his illusion magic in the future while she is incapacitated. But then again I could see her stealing her keys back and we will get a moment, if I am right about my above statement, where her spirits will all come out and unite in there feelings about Minerva...

kkck
July 14, 2012, 11:55 AM
My impression about minerva's power is that it has something to do with controlling and manipulating the area within her magic in any way she wants. Basically my crackpot theory is that she creates dimensions whose properties she can manipulate. Creating and hitting with a hot or heavy dimension would explain what we saw. A dimension or space would perhaps explain how she blocked natsu's magic and how she keeps teleporting things around her (she used her magic to make happy magically appear).

Buggy
July 14, 2012, 12:24 PM
^Her magic better have some good explanation and limitations or, I dare say, it would be the most hax magic ever. She can apparently teleport whatever she wants, including people, whenever and wherever she likes. She doesn't even have to create seals, make contact or anything else.

RaveDragon
July 14, 2012, 12:28 PM
I am not too sure but have we ever seen Lucy's spirits come out on their own when she doesn't have her keys? I think maybe the reason they couldn't help her is because she lost them. Otherwise they could have appeared without her asking. Not sure if that's true or not though...

^^For some reason I don't think Lucy is going to turn this around. The fight has already been stopped. i think this is the beginning of the real trouble for Lucy. I could easily see Iwan kidnapping her with his illusion magic in the future while she is incapacitated. But then again I could see her stealing her keys back and we will get a moment, if I am right about my above statement, where her spirits will all come out and unite in there feelings about Minerva...

It could be they use thier keys to 'locate' her and when she doesnt have them theyre confused about whats going on with her...
Bakanerva is a promising villian but if she repents knowing lucy she'll forgive :disappoint
I wouldnt hate it if she surprised bakanerva and threw her out of the sphere somehow just for fun and to annoy st

Sollum
July 14, 2012, 04:28 PM
So... Lucy got useless... AGAIN...

She's like Princess Peach.
Her usefulness is always in another castle, but she is still needed, since she is vital character for story progression.

I don't mind Minerva having a little fun, but damn, because of her, next chapter we will see 4 pages of Lucy rescuing, 5 pages of Natsu evil glaring at ST, 3 pages of ST laughs ant taunts, 4 pages of unimportant plot, 2 pages of setting for another chapter.

P.S. It's Natsu's fault.

JunKisaragi
July 14, 2012, 04:29 PM
The mangateers version actually says "I am only thinking of one thing" but the last word is half off the bottom of the page.

Oooh, I didn't quite see the "thing" way down the page. Thanks for pointing that out. :D

Still, "All Thoughts Unite" and "I Am Only Thinking of One Thing" are very different from each other. I wonder which one is closer to the original thought.


I am not too sure but have we ever seen Lucy's spirits come out on their own when she doesn't have her keys? I think maybe the reason they couldn't help her is because she lost them. Otherwise they could have appeared without her asking. Not sure if that's true or not though...

Fairy Tail Chapter 114 (Fighting Festival arc)

p17 - Lucy gets her keys taken (http://www.mangareader.net/135-7229-17/fairy-tail/chapter-114.html)
p19 - Leo appears to save her (http://www.mangareader.net/135-7229-19/fairy-tail/chapter-114.html)

kkck
July 14, 2012, 08:03 PM
Well, so far it is only loki that can come out on his own. The issue with that would be whether it would be cheating. I mean, if she uses her own magic to summon loki it is fine however if she does not use her own magic (which I believe would entail him forcing his own gate open) then it would basically be third party help. Still, I doubt it is gemini who is there. Lucy is not really the sort of mage that would let gemini take a beating like that. I guess it is vaguely plausible but it would be kinda cruel if she did. I do wonder if loki opening his gate beforehand and staying inside the bubble would count for something though. What ever happened to the days where loki would just claim he was in love with lucy and whatnot? He seems like a bad spirit doing random things nowadays.

hossice
July 14, 2012, 08:21 PM
If Lucy did indeed get last place, then there is a major point gap.
(first set of numbers represents if she didn't, second if she did get last place)
ST - 44 (1st)
MH- 34/36 (5th/4th)
LS- 35/37 (3rd)
FTB- 36/38 (2nd)
FTA - 35/27 (3rd/5th)
BP- 19/20 (6th)
QP- 14/15 (7th)

And knowing the way things go, they will get all 10 points for the following three point opportunities -_-

Kauia
July 14, 2012, 08:25 PM
I really felt strange as I read the chapter. Yes, it's a painful read. I thought it was strange that her spirits didn't come to her aid. Why oh why didn't Lucy use her whip. i was thinking that the whip might have served its use. It might have functioned differently now that there's water everywhere. Seeing as it's a whip where it's an extension of the constellations, I was thinking it might possible have other abilities when there is a huge flux of water. Other than that, even without Lucy summoning, don't you think Horologium would have saved her? After all that spirit functions to protect if there is just a chance that she may die. Could her keys being taken away gives her spirits a sign that they can't easily force their gates open because they don't know where Lucy is or is it Lucy's will itself? Knowing the danger, he doesn't want any spirit to come out if there is a chance they might be in danger.

After all, Virgo also opened her gate to take care of her and Natsu when they fell from the waterfall.

Anyway, the next chapter would either have the whole guild thinking of her with the determination of defeating Sabertooth. Before, I thought Sabertooth might not even have some grand fight but Mashima wrote it in a way that Fairy tail would end up crushing Sabertooth to pieces. It makes me wonder where does the knight dude's plans for Lucy be inserted.

I also predict that Natsu will be chosen to fight Sting-jerk and he will give a speech about pulverizing Sabertooth because of what happened to Lucy before those two fight. I'm hoping for a small Nalu moment even thought that's just the fan girl in me.

This chapter really trolled me. I had expectations of Juvia pulverizing everyone.

ajith_sakthi
July 15, 2012, 12:53 AM
I think Lucy would enter ghost mode and beat Minerva.That might be the foreshadowing of what is to come after 4 days, the fated day. Probably her mother also had a similar dark side, which she might find out now.

kkck
July 15, 2012, 03:38 AM
^ what is ghost mode?

ajith_sakthi
July 15, 2012, 04:28 AM
I am just giving it a name where her dormant power might come to life when she loses consciousness like the power Zeref had. Where he actually becomes pure darkness when he goes to the mode and there is no difference between Friend or Foe.
This might be a prequel to what Charlie saw.

Ero-Sanji
July 15, 2012, 06:15 AM
^Her magic better have some good explanation and limitations or, I dare say, it would be the most hax magic ever. She can apparently teleport whatever she wants, including people, whenever and wherever she likes. She doesn't even have to create seals, make contact or anything else.

It's true her magic is powerful, but from what I've seen the "limit" is the fact that the bubble has to make contact with the object to have any of the effects we've seen. Then again this is a shounen manga, the more we see an ability or power, if you may, the "weaker" it gets. (Excluding Sharingan ofcourse)

Marche
July 15, 2012, 07:08 AM
Before commenting on this chapter I want to write about what it is going to happen in the next chapter.
From mangateers version “I am only thinking of one” I imagined two scenarios.
In both the two scenarios the first part was the same.
It was that Fairy Tail would have take care of Lucy, all of them will go with her.
This part would have take almost all the whole chapter.
The only difference would be the lastest pages.

In the first scenario we would have Sting and Rogue would fight, but then Rogue would have retire from the battlefield, he would have said (just he said some chapters ago when he said that he is interested in only Gazille) that if Gazille is not his opponent he will not fight.
Then in 1 or 2 pages (in the same chapter 292) if they would fight some week character or in chapter 293 if they would fight strong character Sting will be able to win the fight alone (I would have liked if he would have fight Lyon and Yuka, and that he would be able to injures one of them really bad, so that he would be replaced by Sherry).

In the second scenarios Natsu would be (together with another member of the Fairy Tail team A) picked for the first fight, but then he would withdraw because his only concern will be only for Lucy’s conditions, so that “one” in the translation will be Lucy (obviously even the other member picked will say the same thing).

But after the version of mangastream, which is surely the best (even if I really thank the other groups for their work, even because is thanks to them that we have the chapter early) I have changed my mind.
Infact their translation for the next chapter is “All thoughts Unite”.
By this title I believe that all Fairy Tail magic will think about Lucy’s conditions, but more important (even because this was clear, there are not any doubts about it) Makarov will decide to unite the two team in only 1 team, he will do a speech very similar to that than Lisanna did to Tenrou Island.

Anyways I believe that the tournament will be suspended at least for this day.
The battle portion could be eliminated or perhaps only moved to the 5th e 6th days.
Infact counting what has been said here http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/267/6 the tournement lasts for 7 days, so perhaps the battle part could be done to the 5th or 6th days.
I believe this because the tournament officially is made for fun, for entertainment, so after this there would be the condition for continue the game, at least for that day (even because I believe that even the others team will not be of the mood for continue the game, obviously except for Sabertooth).

Anyways I don’t think that Arcadias will make seem that Lucy died.
I believe this because he would not have time (Fairy Tail will reach Lucy immediately, beside at least by her wound on her back it are not deep wounds, even though it are many and that she bled from the mouth).
Beside if Lucy died or they will believe that she died they would do a war against Sabertooth, the tournament will not be able to settle the things, there would be a war just like against Phantom Lord.
Beside Arcadias would probably wait the 7th day, where all the member of Fairy Tail will see the tournament, perhaps with the exception of Wendy and Porlyusica, but they would be easily knocking out (beside counting that Raven Tail is in prison Fairy Tail would lower their guard, even counting that they would believe that the royal guard will help them they will not put the runes).
Anyways I really would like if counting the friendship between Fairy Tail and Lamia Scale Chellia could help them in the healing treatment, so finally Sherry would replace them.

Perhaps all the other guilds will go to visit Lucy, perhaps with the exception of Sabertooth (but I would like if Rogue will go and will ask to forgive them, that he don’t like that behavior).
If Rogue will came I would like that Natsu will say to the others about the treatment that Yukino received (but perhaps he will say it on the tournament, so even the audience will know the real nature of Sabertooth), he will say it when there will be even Kagura.

What I would really like is that when Mermaid Hell will came to visit Lucy (but there is the possibilities that only Milliana will go), they (or only Milliana) will ask about Mistgun/Gerard situations, but what I hope that while they/She will ask it to Erza, Gerard will appear too.
I hope this because I would really like their interaction.
But there is even the possibilities that Erza will tell her about Edolas, just like what Yajima said
Perhaps Milliana will try to attack him, but perhaps (I would really this scenarios) before Erza will huge him, in an attempt to be reassured.
If it so then Milliana could reach in two way:
1) He will stop her attack and will leave, then she begins to think of the reason why Erza has forgiven him, and only at the end she will understand that Gerard is not longer evil, so she will forgive him too.
2) She will accuse Erza, she will say that Kagura will kill him anyways.

If the two team will became one the member that will be selected will be Erza, Gray, Natsu, Gazille and Luxus.
If it so the most likely the one who will fight in the tag team match will be Gazille and Natsu, so we will have an indirect comparison with Sting and Rogue (I say indirect because I believe that we will have a direct confrontation between the two guild only in the lastest day).
In the truth I hope that the tag team will be made by Gray and Lluvia, where they will win thanks to an unison raid, but after this lastest chapter it’s unlikely.

P.S: I want to know your opinion of what I wrote in this post.

hoeru
July 15, 2012, 08:09 AM
I don't see how Lucy wouldn't get any points just because she is said to no longer move anymore. The task was to stay within the water sphere. And she and Minerva were the last two in that contest. So it's gonna be 6 points for FTB, 8 for FTA and 10 for ST.

BTW... Even though it actually didn't hurt Juvia Minerva's magic affected her (http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/291/14), didn't it?

Chris38
July 15, 2012, 08:19 AM
I don't see how Lucy wouldn't get any points just because she is said to no longer move anymore. The task was to stay within the water sphere. And she and Minerva were the last two in that contest. So it's gonna be 6 points for FTB, 8 for FTA and 10 for ST.

BTW... Even though it actually didn't hurt Juvia Minerva's magic affected her (http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/291/14), didn't it?

Yeah, but when only two competitors are left behind a five minute rule is implemented, and the one who is pushed back, before that timer runs out, is put in the last place.

In Lucy's case, the last time the timer was shown it was on the 31 seconds mark, before she would get the second place, and before Minerva... snapped, so it's pretty much up to Mashima if Lucy gets 8 or 0 points ... and considering how Mashima has been treating Lucy in the current arc, so far ... how many points, do you think he will give her ?

Rarhyx
July 15, 2012, 08:21 AM
I don't see how Lucy wouldn't get any points just because she is said to no longer move anymore. The task was to stay within the water sphere. And she and Minerva were the last two in that contest. So it's gonna be 6 points for FTB, 8 for FTA and 10 for ST.

Lucy gets 0 points, you even posted the reason for that(it's on the same page):


Minerva's magic affected her (http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/291/14)

10P for SB
8P for FTB
6P for urm can't tell who was the last one who fell out of the ring after juvias attack
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0P for FTA

except the 5 minutes were already over after lucy was put out of the water ring only then lucy would get 8P

Chaos_Angel
July 15, 2012, 10:13 AM
Damn... I feel sorry for Lucy. Throughout this manga's run she is one of the few characters I still cheer for to win. I hope this does not lead to some scenario where Lucy feels she has to go away ( or in Charle's premonition maybe 'disappear') and Fairy Tail has to rescue her. Would feel like a repeat of the Phantom Lord Arc.

Anyways Minerva has now entered into the territory that so many female antagonists in this manga have achieved (in my eyes).
They are the B.T.V's or 'Big Titties Villains' group. Or Antagonists, which ever floats you're boat.

#1 Sherry
#2 Juvia (Cool now)
#3 Ikaruga (Don't know why but I just hate her)
#4 Evergreen
#5 Angel
#6 Erza Knightwalker (This is so-so)
#7 Ultear (She was never a number until the conclusion of her character arc which left me disappointed)
#8 Minerva (*Sigh* Can this manga get an antagonist that is at least consistent,... or not something that's been done before?
I've seen the crazy eyed female villain way too many times and still can't think of a defining characteristic that separates
them from each other)

Sollum
July 15, 2012, 10:47 AM
Ummm, I've encountered lots of Minerva hate in this thread.

But seriuosly people, how many of you hate Nakama Power Up? Whenever there's Nakama Power Up, threads are in uproar.

This time, Nakama Power Up was stomped and beaten to the pulp, yet people still don't like it -_-

Chris38
July 15, 2012, 11:12 AM
Ummm, I've encountered lots of Minerva hate in this thread.

But seriuosly people, how many of you hate Nakama Power Up? Whenever there's Nakama Power Up, threads are in uproar.

This time, Nakama Power Up was stomped and beaten to the pulp, yet people still don't like it -_-

Well, in my case, I don't mind the Nakama Power Up's - I'm most likely immune to them.

The reason why I am disappointed in the current fight, is caused by the fact that Lucy has been the one who has lost... again.

I don't know about you, but in my case, I wanted her next participation in the tournament games to be a little better then her previous attempt, but unfortunately it seems Mashihima has had some other plans toward Lucy, and made her lose in an even worse manner then her fight against Flare.

Zehahaha
July 15, 2012, 11:27 AM
Ummm, I've encountered lots of Minerva hate in this thread.

But seriuosly people, how many of you hate Nakama Power Up? Whenever there's Nakama Power Up, threads are in uproar.

This time, Nakama Power Up was stomped and beaten to the pulp, yet people still don't like it -_-

Naw man Minerva is good so far, but it's getting annoying with Lucy : nearly always being useless and losing, Aquarius always pulling the same crap (Oh I have a date), and spirits showing up whenevet they feel like they do, you get what I'm saying.

But then again, considering ST aren't the main villains in this arc, there'll be some redemption at some point, I can already see Sting and Rogue being friends with Natsu... Look, even Gajeel and Laxus got forgiven anyway, so meh what Minerva has done is nothing in comparison.

Narosian
July 15, 2012, 12:07 PM
Ummm, I've encountered lots of Minerva hate in this thread.

But seriuosly people, how many of you hate Nakama Power Up? Whenever there's Nakama Power Up, threads are in uproar.

This time, Nakama Power Up was stomped and beaten to the pulp, yet people still don't like it -_-

the Nakama power up wasnt stomped and beaten to a pulp, this was just the beating that leads the nakama power up.

Razh
July 15, 2012, 12:50 PM
Seriously, I can't even number how many times someone from FT "lost" like this at the end of the chapter, only to return from the ropes the next one. They can all take a beating and still move forward. The "nakama power up" was already at work during fight, I believe. Just because the announcer declared the fight is over, doesn't mean Lucy can't still do something. Whenever a character acts with such conviction, it always works in the end. And Minerva is really well set to be duped in some way and bring embarassment to the guild. I'd like to see how Gemma would kick his own daughter out of the guild.

So yeah, I think Lucy grabbed a hold of her keys sometime during the beating. We can't see her left hand, can we?

RaveDragon
July 15, 2012, 01:01 PM
Ummm, I've encountered lots of Minerva hate in this thread.

But seriuosly people, how many of you hate Nakama Power Up? Whenever there's Nakama Power Up, threads are in uproar.

This time, Nakama Power Up was stomped and beaten to the pulp, yet people still don't like it -_-

actually I do like the nakama powerup but thats just my personal opinion

anyway a lot are sayin Lucy being useless, wasnt she the one who knew about lullaby? didn't she always defeat her enemies up till this arc?
She may not be strong, well duh she's still a newbie mage technically she still just joined 6 months prior the time skip but she's done well so far
then again she just wanted a job and inspiration for her writing i think mashima now wants her to get interested in learning more about her magic and what she can do.

To me she's strong for never losing confidence up till now but then its just what i think you're free to think what you want i just wanted to express myself, no one in fairy tail is really useless.

Quantized
July 15, 2012, 04:10 PM
She might have gotten the points if she accomplished her goal of staying in for 5 minutes. She still might get them...

It's not like anyone wanted for her to be that beaten up. Hell they were almost leaping from their seats. Almost, of course, but she stood up for her guild, fought for it. As did Elfman, as did Erza and Wendy. All of them were all beaten up, and yes, Lucy was a lot worse, and it was immoral and unfair on top of that, but there was pride and I don't know what in it. It's just.. Fairy Tail?

As your avatar and signature was so kind of reminding me when you mentioned of pride, it made me flashback to when Rukia had to kill Kaien in the manga Bleach, where Ukitake lectured Rukia to know the difference between fighting to save lives, and fighting to save pride.

- Fighting to save lives, it's best to join the fighter in battle against the enemy.
- Fighting to save pride, it's best to let the fighter fight alone until he/she loose, because it would hurt his pride for the rest of his/her life. Fighting for pride is typically rare occasions, has to be deeply personal.

Thinking about it, there is a whole lot of truth in that, which we normally don't realize in our modern lives where we don't fight like ones did in the past.

I agree that Fairy Tail don't care about their own reputation and tournament rules when one of their owns are in danger, but they do care about Lucy's own pride.
At least I'd like to think that, since I got no doubt that if it was a fight about survival and not pride on Lucy's side only, then I don't doubt Fairy Tail would care little about tournament rules, disqualifying themselves without regret etc. That's the kind of guild Fairy Tail is after all, so I completely agree with you.

garcon
July 15, 2012, 04:21 PM
Hi everyone,



Seriously, I can't even number how many times someone from FT "lost" like this at the end of the chapter, only to return from the ropes the next one. They can all take a beating and still move forward. The "nakama power up" was already at work during fight, I believe. Just because the announcer declared the fight is over, doesn't mean Lucy can't still do something. Whenever a character acts with such conviction, it always works in the end. And Minerva is really well set to be duped in some way and bring embarassment to the guild. I'd like to see how Gemma would kick his own daughter out of the guild.

So yeah, I think Lucy grabbed a hold of her keys sometime during the beating. We can't see her left hand, can we?

quick answer to you :

if you think Lucy will come back and win the event, don't worry Lucy is out :

http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/83075428/29

Minerva is hanging her out of the bubble so Lucy lost, only question does she get 8 points or zero.

If you meant Lucy going berserk to kick Minerva's butt, it's still possible but it will be out of the event and an infraction to the rules I think. Anyway, just wanted to say that.


My thoughts about the chapter :

Don't want to sound sadistic but I enjoyed the fate of lucy, I'm pissed off and all I want is ST to be annihilated (no redemption for them, just pain) but I love this chapter, love to hate it. I'm also happy that nakama power up didn't work ans it was well done. More detailled thoughts :

. Aquarius....first, I can understand that having this "powerfull" water spirit, FT A thought that Lucy would be the best choice for this match but, to me, an exhibitionnist dude who can freeze water in a water bubble would have been pretty effective too.
As many have already stated, how can lucy not see that Aquarius is a useless bitch ? when I saw Lucy invoking her I thought "so what will Aquarius do ? attacking Lucy or abandonning her?", she chose the usual abandon thing. Some people have said that even if Aquarius had stay the result would have been the same or that Aquarius couldn't predict the severe beat up Lucy has endure; but that's not the point, she abandonned her master, who think of her as a friend in an all out battle between powerfull mages and she did this knowing that she was the only spirit who could effectively helped her. So yeah, basically Aquarius is a bitch, I hope she feels guilty and grows up, if not I hope Lucy never summon her again (or at least trust her).

.Leo, as some of you I'm a bit surprised he didn't show up, that's weird. My only guess is that the zodiac sign of Leo is a fire one (I didn't check but I think he is) so maybe he can't be summon in water (if someone remember him summoned or fighting under water, well congrats, you just fucked up my theory). I hope he will come by himself now that Lucy is out of the water and take his master out of the ahnd of minerva saying something cheesy like "I can't do shit in water, why don't you come out and try to finish what you started ?"

.Quatro puppy, just go back to your home and open a pancake store.

.Juvia, what a shame, it was her time to shine and she got trolled. Even if it was Minerva's power who trhow her out (and I'm not sure, as I understood it, she looked at Gray and didn't see the "exit" was coming, which is lame) that's still an utter failure and I love her so I was disapointed.

Some of you have said that Lucy was being beaten too often and that it was already her second loss, I guess I agree and to me, even if I love Juvia, she should have been the one beaten up (if we say that a FT member must be beat up in this chapter), why and how since she is strong and in her element ? well :
> Juvia, Lucy and Minerva are the only ones left : that's two FT member against one who hates FT as a whole, not just FT A. Juvia tries to take Minerva out but they are even in strengh and Minerva "repells" her attack. Minerva go on Lucy, harms her and stoles her keys, Juvia go and rescues her from Minerva. She manages to save her but Lucy is not happy "Juvia stop ! right now we are ennemies, don't worry for me, just fight for your team". Minerva attacks, Juvia dodges (listening to Lucy's request) and Lucy gets trashed "That's ok, I can take it for the sake of everyone". Minerva is pissed, she goes all genkidama and mean look, Juvia sees that and think "She can't take that, that's way too dangerous, sorry Lucy !!", she goes full speed, ejects Lucy from the bubble by a gentle push and take the genkidama in her face leaving her weakened so Minerva as the upper hand. Little dialogue : "why did you do that, if you hadn't take that blow you could have hope to win (except that I have my evil magic)" "sometimes the sake of comrades is more important than winning, Lucy and I are from the same guild in the end". Minerva is super-pissed and begins to trash Juvia who fights back but, weakened, is soon overtaken (?) and here goes the beating session.

So why would have I loved that ? :
. Juvia is also a loved character (she is right ?) so it achieves the same goal that beating Lucy for the readers and for Fairy Tail
.Lucy would have still been mentaly damaged : too weak and her comrade almost die for her sake > character development
.It gives a good chance to see the bond between Gray and Juvia (he would be super pissed too (well he is already but here it develops his relation with Juvia))
. we would have seen Juvia's action and I like it

but don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly fine with the current chapter.


as for the next chapters :

some thoughts I think/wish could happen :

.Sting fights a FT member who is not Natsu
.If it's a Sting/Natsu fight I would like it to go this way : Lucy is taken to infirmary, time for the fights to happen, the guys of the arena are starting to say names whan Natsu jump in the arena and challenge Minerva, Sting steps up and say :

Sting :"I would prefer me, is it ok with you"
Natsu :"at this point it's just a matter of time anyway"
pumpkin : "but that's not what we..."
Natsu : "then make it happened"

I would prefer it this way because it spares us the "lucky chance" match up, it would build tension and would be cool (no ?).

and last but not least, an idea thatt you all would certainly hate :

. Sting wins (in my mind it could even be Sting killing Gray leading to berserk Juvia and all out rampage in the arena, but that's a bit much I guess, and I'm not sure I would like the death of Gray)

Anyway I think I have write enough, have a good day people.

Quantized
July 15, 2012, 04:39 PM
actually I do like the nakama powerup but thats just my personal opinion

anyway a lot are sayin Lucy being useless, wasnt she the one who knew about lullaby? didn't she always defeat her enemies up till this arc?
She may not be strong, well duh she's still a newbie mage technically she still just joined 6 months prior the time skip but she's done well so far
then again she just wanted a job and inspiration for her writing i think mashima now wants her to get interested in learning more about her magic and what she can do.

To me she's strong for never losing confidence up till now but then its just what i think you're free to think what you want i just wanted to express myself, no one in fairy tail is really useless.

Quite true, there is a big difference in strength of heart / conviction and raw power. Lucy is quite strong when it comes to heart / conviction, but she's a bit behind in controlling her powers, however I do believe she possesses it.
Not saying she's weak, I actually think she will become one of the strongest characters in the manga not only in conviction and heart, but also in raw strength through magic.
I mean, it's (for me at least) rather obvious that Lucy will get stronger than Erza.. and seriously, that woman could atm beat almost anyone in the guild with the exception of Laxus / Gramps perhaps.

Not wanting to believe in Lucy is the same as not believing in ones self in real life, imho. Come on, she's so full of potential, is there really someone who can't see that?
Of course Mashima could take another route, but then that would be bad writing at this rate.. Imo.

Also further thoughts.. I got no question that Lucy got at least the level of magic power that Erza possesses, however Lucy is rather bad at controlling it.
If you're looking at the current development, it seems that Lucy is strong in heart and conviction, where Erza is strong in controlling her powers. That's what carries Erza, she has to be strong, or she would feel weak.
Lucy on the otherhand has true strength, and just wait till she learns to control her powers, damn.... :gwah

No offense meant toward Erza, but she doesn't have a strong heart, of course she has a gentle heart. Lucy on the other hand, has both.

---------- Post added at 11:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:27 PM ----------

Don't take it literally when I say Erza has a weaker strength in heart, it's meant in respect to Lucy, who has much more strength in heart. That doesn't make Erza weak in strength of heart, just not nearly as strong as Lucy.

Everyone has their weaknesses, more or less, even Erza who appears to be "immortal", but under her skin she feels weakness. Lucy is different in that respect.

I know someone will misunderstand that, so just to clarify.

SouringOwl
July 15, 2012, 05:03 PM
What angers me about this chapter is Aquarious... I honestly think that Lucy should cancel her contract with her! Ugh! I hate Aquarious >:(
I'm also a little disappointed with Capricorn and Leo, who have the closest relationship with Lucy... If Capricorn could have summoned himself, he would have Human Subordinate (or whatever his technique is called) Minerva's ass!

I REALLY hope that "All Thoughts United" means that her celestial keys will gather and aid her, even if officially Minerva won, how much embarrasment does our favorite celestial mage have to suffer?... the girl has faced so much shame in these games.


I really don't care if Fairy Tail avenges her, in the end, her personal pride will still be broken and the Earth Land people will see her as a joke.... She should find redemption in the GAMES.


BTW, this is my first post!

kkck
July 15, 2012, 05:23 PM
Caprico can't use human subordination though. That was zoldeo's lost magic if I recall.

Razh
July 15, 2012, 05:38 PM
Hi everyone,

quick answer to you :

if you think Lucy will come back and win the event, don't worry Lucy is out :

http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/83075428/29

Minerva is hanging her out of the bubble so Lucy lost, only question does she get 8 points or zero.

Didn't really pay much attention to it, but seeing it now, I don't see how I didn't see it. :p

That's a shame. And Minerva probably took her out at the last moment. I don't really like how Mashima handled it, she deserved a better fight. I guess It's up to Natsu now. I'm really interested in seeing what kind of DS Sting really is. I don't believe that Sting bit with his feeling in the previous chapter was all for nothing.

Quantized
July 15, 2012, 10:10 PM
What angers me about this chapter is Aquarious... I honestly think that Lucy should cancel her contract with her! Ugh! I hate Aquarious >:(
I'm also a little disappointed with Capricorn and Leo, who have the closest relationship with Lucy... If Capricorn could have summoned himself, he would have Human Subordinate (or whatever his technique is called) Minerva's ass!

I REALLY hope that "All Thoughts United" means that her celestial keys will gather and aid her, even if officially Minerva won, how much embarrasment does our favorite celestial mage have to suffer?... the girl has faced so much shame in these games.


I really don't care if Fairy Tail avenges her, in the end, her personal pride will still be broken and the Earth Land people will see her as a joke.... She should find redemption in the GAMES.


BTW, this is my first post!

Then I'd like to say welcome to MH and nice first post ^_^

I like your idea of her spirits still having a chance to appear, but I gotta wonder for what gain though.. since she's already out of the bobble.
Maybe she'll do a finishing blow to Lucy before letting her go and the spirits stop her?

It's hard to predict next chapter, she could also let Lucy go without harming her further, and that there are so many possibility outcomes.. Granted we all probably know how FT will feel though, but what will they actually do?

zerocooldx
July 15, 2012, 11:09 PM
Didn't really pay much attention to it, but seeing it now, I don't see how I didn't see it. :p

That's a shame. And Minerva probably took her out at the last moment. I don't really like how Mashima handled it, she deserved a better fight. I guess It's up to Natsu now. I'm really interested in seeing what kind of DS Sting really is. I don't believe that Sting bit with his feeling in the previous chapter was all for nothing.

Well Lucy is being the proverbial "punching bag" because shes obviously going to play a major role towards the end of the tournament. Her loosing to Flare i didn't really get because of how RT got completely taken out of the picture by Laxus without have any impact on anything really other then to just provide some extra content for the early days of the tournament. However loosing to Minerva is a whole other issue. Lucy simply losing would have been one thing, but her getting embarrassed and nearly killed is once again being used to set up a guild vs. guild match-up like we saw with RT, although more extreme. I personally want to see the other guilds show something. I want to see Lyon fight, i want to find out whose the person in the Rabbit suit and i even wouldn't mind seeing Ren fight. And lastly i'm kind of hoping that someone from Quatro Cerberus shows up possibly as another substitute, i mean they can't continue to be the whipping boys for the entire seven days right?

SouringOwl
July 15, 2012, 11:25 PM
Then I'd like to say welcome to MH and nice first post ^_^

I like your idea of her spirits still having a chance to appear, but I gotta wonder for what gain though.. since she's already out of the bobble.
Maybe she'll do a finishing blow to Lucy before letting her go and the spirits stop her?

It's hard to predict next chapter, she could also let Lucy go without harming her further, and that there are so many possibility outcomes.. Granted we all probably know how FT will feel though, but what will they actually do?


Thank you!

In all honesty, my vision for the next chapter didn't go that far...

When it comes to my opinion about Lucy, it's not about her winning a battle, but the fact that she tried her best and put all of her efforts in it.

The reason I respect Lucy's battle with Flare is because she tried and if the "outside help" wouldn't have occured, the victory would have been all hers.

In this situation, she was raped, and in a way, cheated, with Minerva's techniques.

Now, with your question:

for me, anything would do as long as they appear... What I was thinking is a more of an emotional chapter... like all her stellar spirits showing up and helping her... and Aquarious asking Lucy for forgiveness and feeling ashamed by seeing her in her current condition... something that will show both Sabertooth and the audience that Lucy isn't weak... that the girl would have had a chance of winning even with Aquarious' abandonment; Lucy has 10 golden keys! They should be worth something.

BTW, I am thankful for Virgo and Aries, at least they helped Lucy!

dark angel KaRamo
July 16, 2012, 12:17 AM
anyway a lot are sayin Lucy being useless, wasnt she the one who knew about lullaby? didn't she always defeat her enemies up till this arc?
She may not be strong, well duh she's still a newbie mage technically she still just joined 6 months prior the time skip but she's done well so far
then again she just wanted a job and inspiration for her writing i think mashima now wants her to get interested in learning more about her magic and what she can do

To me she's strong for never losing confidence up till now but then its just what i think you're free to think what you want i just wanted to express myself, no one in fairy tail is really useless.

i thing your right all this is just going to make her question her self and try even harder to get stronger but this time not for the guild but for her self,
lucy has the skill to be strong but she needs to Buckley down and say i'm going to train and one other thing Aquarius is so fucking useless damn she also treats lucy like crap and leave when lucy needs her what a bitch.

thoughts of the next chapter,
lucy falls and as she is falling natsu catches her then he look at lucy not moving and then looks up at Minerva with so much angry meanwhile the medic takes lucy away natsu shouts (Saber-tooth !!! this isn't over I'll defeat you all of you) then run at Minerva gray and erza says stop natsu but doesn't hear them just then sting uses his DS magic to blow up in front natsu and stops him sting is then in-front of natsu saying (if you want payback do it when we have our match) laughs and walk off with minerva, now all the fairy tail member are with lucy while Wendy try's to heal her then gray says (wow there really did this to her) natsu says (this maybe all my fault) erza says (why would you say that natsu) natsu tells them what he did at the sabertooth bass erza knocks natsu on the head while grays say (natsu you dummy why did you do that) at that time Ezra says (Whats done is done we can't change what natsu did just like we can't change what Minerva did to lucy they have to pay for this) all of fairy tail says (YEAH!) now there back at the arena and the next match up is erza vs kagura.

dafuq
July 16, 2012, 12:30 AM
I voted good for this chapter it was really intense which is not often happening for this manga.
Maybe Lucy wasnt deserved that beating but she should be stronger than she is now. I mean she is not even near Gray's level who comes after Erza and Natsu in FTA and i really liked that nakama power-up didnt work in there i guess it is just for Natsu and Erza who are at least strong mages.

Evil bitch Minerva has got really op magic which is like space manipulation but i hope it has limitations and some weaknesses not sure what will be though.

I think Natsu will feel responsible for what Minerva did to Lucy u know what they say what goes around comes around also i wonder FT members know his little visitation to the sabertooth's lodging. Anyway i cant wait to see sting's ds magic element and what he's capable of if we assume he will encounter against Natsu.

frozen18ice
July 16, 2012, 05:54 AM
Caprico can't use human subordination though. That was zoldeo's lost magic if I recall.

hmm come to think about it all we know about caprico is that he can dance looks like a butler and he can fight other than that we yet to know what his real powers are if its even related to zoldeo's lost magic or if its different entirely. majority of the zodiac have power they used or extra added bonus like
virgo digging holes and clothing
cancer cutting stuff and giving hair cuts
taurous strength and being a nasty pervert
gemini tranformation and information gathering
loki/leo light, and charming girls
aquarous control over water and PMS
scopio sand/earth control and constant dates with aquarious
aries cloud/defensive
sagitarius expert bows man, fire arrows
caprico martial arts?

i do hope the next chapter is about the zodiacs coming out of the dimension on their own showing that their thoughts about lucy is one not just the ones that can get out of the dimension like virgo, holurum, and, leo

lucy is out side of the ring but also menervas arm she could still go back in and fight she did not technically fallen out yet, she is hanging out

Schabrak
July 16, 2012, 07:10 AM
Maybe she'll do a finishing blow to Lucy before letting her go and the spirits stop her?
If she were to do that and still not get disqualified, I would have to stop reading FT for a while, because that would be horrible writing.

All I wonder about is if we will see Lucy smile next chapter for going through with her speech from this chapter or her being uncouncious already.

Marche
July 16, 2012, 01:40 PM
Anyways Lucy immediately summon Aquarius, but she is opposed by Lluvia, the two are equal, none of them can prevail.
Someone said that Lluvia became stronger because now she is strong like Aquarius, I don’t think that she is able to do that thanks to Urtear power up, in fact the two never clashes before, in fact in the Tower of Paradise Lucy used Lluvia body for summon Aquarius, and after that Aquarius used her power for defeat the enemies, but Lluvia did not tried to stop her attack http://www.mangareader.net/135-7202-14/fairy-tail/chapter-87.html http://www.mangareader.net/135-7202-15/fairy-tail/chapter-87.html.
Anyways after that Aquarius leave for an appointment with Scorpio.
I don’t think that what happened after it is Aquarius fault, she could not imagine what would happened after his abandonment.
But perhaps after this Aquarius will never abandon her again (even because Scoprio would not forgive her the next time).
Anyways I would prefer that this time Aquarius would have made up another excuse, she could have said something about her friendship with Lluvia.

Anyways Jenny takes this opportunity for eliminate the Quatro Puppy, then Chellia tries to eliminate Risley but she became slim and avoids the attack.
Then Lluvia eliminate 3 partecipants with her new move.
I really like that move, it is really beautiful and cute.
Then Lluvia see Gray’s reaction and is shocked that Gray did not like it.
By mangateers version Lluvia says that Gray is disgusted by her move, but in mangastream version she says “appalled”.
I don’t know what there is written on the raw, I unfortunately can’t read the Japanese, but I believe that is correct the mangastream version, infact even by the raw the sensation that I get is that Gray was appalled, he did not have any words, he did not knew how he should react to it.
Anyways thanks to that distraction Minerva take the opportunity to eliminate Lluvia.

I will write about Lucy and Minerva in another post (so this post will not be too long, so perhaps there will be more users that will read it :super), so now I say only the few things that I did not liked about this chapter.
The first thing is that we have not seen Lyon reaction to Lluvia performance, about her in swimsuit (she would love her) and about her new move for Gray, he would be angry and jealous.
To tell the truth I would prefer that he would have participated on this game, but perhaps he will fight in the tag team battle while Lluvia will not fight in it, if as I believe in the next chapter Makarov will decide to made only a team.
The other thing that I did not liked is the fact that the order of elimination is the same of the general classification, so Quatro Puppy (but in the truth I did not care about it, they are the fodder) and particularly Blue Pegasus have lost some points to the other teams, their distance from the other guild increases.

P.S: I want to know your opinion of what I wrote.

RaveDragon
July 16, 2012, 02:15 PM
Anyways Lucy immediately summon Aquarius, but she is opposed by Lluvia, the two are equal, none of them can prevail.
Someone said that Lluvia became stronger because now she is strong like Aquarius, I don’t think that she is able to do that thanks to Urtear power up, in fact the two never clashes before, in fact in the Tower of Paradise Lucy used Lluvia body for summon Aquarius, and after that Aquarius used her power for defeat the enemies, but Lluvia did not tried to stop her attack http://www.mangareader.net/135-7202-14/fairy-tail/chapter-87.html http://www.mangareader.net/135-7202-15/fairy-tail/chapter-87.html.
Anyways after that Aquarius leave for an appointment with Scorpio.
I don’t think that what happened after it is Aquarius fault, she could not imagine what would happened after his abandonment.
But perhaps after this Aquarius will never abandon her again (even because Scoprio would not forgive her the next time).
Anyways I would prefer that this time Aquarius would have made up another excuse, she could have said something about her friendship with Lluvia.

Anyways Jenny takes this opportunity for eliminate the Quatro Puppy, then Chellia tries to eliminate Risley but she became slim and avoids the attack.
Then Lluvia eliminate 3 partecipants with her new move.
I really like that move, it is really beautiful and cute.
Then Lluvia see Gray’s reaction and is shocked that Gray did not like it.
By mangateers version Lluvia says that Gray is disgusted by her move, but in mangastream version she says “appalled”.
I don’t know what there is written on the raw, I unfortunately can’t read the Japanese, but I believe that is correct the mangastream version, infact even by the raw the sensation that I get is that Gray was appalled, he did not have any words, he did not knew how he should react to it.
Anyways thanks to that distraction Minerva take the opportunity to eliminate Lluvia.

I will write about Lucy and Minerva in another post (so this post will not be too long, so perhaps there will be more users that will read it :super), so now I say only the few things that I did not liked about this chapter.
The first thing is that we have not seen Lyon reaction to Lluvia performance, about her in swimsuit (she would love her) and about her new move for Gray, he would be angry and jealous.
To tell the truth I would prefer that he would have participated on this game, but perhaps he will fight in the tag team battle while Lluvia will not fight in it, if as I believe in the next chapter Makarov will decide to made only a team.
The other thing that I did not liked is the fact that the order of elimination is the same of the general classification, so Quatro Puppy (but in the truth I did not care about it, they are the fodder) and particularly Blue Pegasus have lost some points to the other teams, their distance from the other guild increases.

P.S: I want to know your opinion of what I wrote.

It's true that Aquarius has no fault in this but she leaves her owner in a stupid way, however no one would think a mage from a legal guild would openly attack another mage from another legal guild just to humiliate them so lucy probably is just severely injured and unconcious. she'll be fine, in other forums they presume she died but thats impossible
1- the upcoming movie is focused on her
2- charle predicted her very alive and future pop star lucy to sing in the collapsing castle (wow she literally brought the building down, bwahaha)

I think gray is kind of warming up to juvia but he's not into showing off love or anything xD

I think mashima didnt want a lot of humor for this chapter, i guess we have some 2 more drama chapters especially next weeks then with few comedic instances.


ST: well im guessing minerva isnt participating in the tag team so sting obviously will and maybe orga or rufus (rogue is a last day competitior to keep him mysterious till the end :D if he doesnt leave st before, he seemed not to pleased about what happened in 291)

FTA: Natsu obviously and i think erza would also want to participate for fta

FTB : mira andr laxus if orga comes out (jelly is not here i would have said him)

Blue pegasus: Bunny and ichiya for blue pegasus

Mermaid heel: Kagura and milliana would be such an awesome combination

Lamia scale: lyon and jura

The puppies: i dont really know or care since they're the comedic team =/ i just feel for their awesome master

matzik1212
July 16, 2012, 02:42 PM
Wow that Minerva deserves to die a slow and painful death for what he did to Lucy :arf

Still i'm so pissed , Loki used to always pop out when you least expected so why didn't he came now to help Lucy :-_- I'm disappointed 'cause i know he can open the gate himself *sigh* It was really cruel what that biatch did .

I expected her to lose against Minerva but not like that :( And go and die you baka Juvia :yelling Sometimes i so wanna hit her in the face for being so crazy after Gray and losing sight of what's in front of her :fail

Marche
July 16, 2012, 02:52 PM
I wrote my post in a "word file" and then I copied it here.
Unfortunetely I did not posted the first part of my post, so now I will post it here, then I will post again what I wrote before, I will put it in spoiler tag:

Now I will post my comment about this chapter.
I will begin with the matter of the points that Lucy would gain.
In mangateers version that panel is empty, but by mangastream version http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/83075428/24 I believe that the time limit ended, so Lucy will take 8 points.
But if I am wrong and she will be the lastest (the seventh will take 1 poins, not zero), ironically excluding Raven Tail the ranking of this contest will be exactly equal to the arrival of the qualifying round, the Sky Labirint.

The guest is the “Troupe Chairman Rabin”, I hope that in the fifth day the guest will be a demon of Galuna island.
I noticed that Cana is still a member of the team B, even if there is not the council anymore, Gerard did not took place his place, I believe this because he is investigating.
I really like this since he is not a member of Fairy Tail.
I think that would be interessant to know what Kagura will do.
She could stay in the tournament, but perhaps she could be replaced by someone of her guild, she could decide that because so if she will see Gerard again she could follow him.
Another important thing is the fact that in this chapter there aren’t neither Mavis or Makarov, so who knows, perhaps they went to met Ivan and the other member of Raven Tail in prison.

I must say that Lluvia is really best.
She is always been my favourite character, but to tell the truth primarly for what she wore (except in her fights against Meldy) she was not very sexy.
But after the time skip she became the best, in the previous chapters and in this she is the best, she is surely the hottest female character (in that contest I voted for Cana because she is the hottest between pre-timeskip and post-timeskip), also Jenny or Mira are not even worthy to be compared to her, they are outclassed.
Anyways after Lluvia the ranking of the hottest that participated in the contest is:
Jenny, Risley in her slim form, Lucy, Chellia and in the end Minerva (for Minerva I will write something below).

Now I will post again what I wrote in my lastest post, as I said above I will put it in spoiler tag:

Anyways Lucy immediately summon Aquarius, but she is opposed by Lluvia, the two are equal, none of them can prevail.
Someone said that Lluvia became stronger because now she is strong like Aquarius, I don’t think that she is able to do that thanks to Urtear power up, in fact the two never clashes before, in fact in the Tower of Paradise Lucy used Lluvia body for summon Aquarius, and after that Aquarius used her power for defeat the enemies, but Lluvia did not tried to stop her attack http://www.mangareader.net/135-7202-14/fairy-tail/chapter-87.html http://www.mangareader.net/135-7202-15/fairy-tail/chapter-87.html.
Anyways after that Aquarius leave for an appointment with Scorpio.
I don’t think that what happened after it is Aquarius fault, she could not imagine what would happened after his abandonment.
But perhaps after this Aquarius will never abandon her again (even because Scoprio would not forgive her the next time).
Anyways I would prefer that this time Aquarius would have made up another excuse, she could have said something about her friendship with Lluvia.

Anyways Jenny takes this opportunity for eliminate the Quatro Puppy, then Chellia tries to eliminate Risley but she became slim and avoids the attack.
Then Lluvia eliminate 3 partecipants with her new move.
I really like that move, it is really beautiful and cute.
Then Lluvia see Gray’s reaction and is shocked that Gray did not like it.
By mangateers version Lluvia says that Gray is disgusted by her move, but in mangastream version she says “appalled”.
I don’t know what there is written on the raw, I unfortunately can’t read the Japanese, but I believe that is correct the mangastream version, infact even by the raw the sensation that I get is that Gray was appalled, he did not have any words, he did not knew how he should react to it.
Anyways thanks to that distraction Minerva take the opportunity to eliminate Lluvia.

I will write about Lucy and Minerva in another post, so now I say only the few things that I did not liked about this chapter.
The first thing is that we have not seen Lyon reaction to Lluvia performance, about her in swimsuit (she would love her) and about her new move for Gray, he would be angry and jealous.
To tell the truth I would prefer that he would have participated on this game, but perhaps he will fight in the tag team battle while Lluvia will not fight in it, if as I believe in the next chapter Makarov will decide to made only a team.
The other thing that I did not liked is the fact that the order of elimination is the same of the general classification, so Quatro Puppy (but in the truth I did not care about it, they are the fodder) and particularly Blue Pegasus have lost some points to the other teams, their distance from the other guild increases.
P.S: I want to know your opinions of what I wrote above, particularly of the first part, of what I wrote about Kagura, but even about Makarov and Mavis.

Schabrak
July 16, 2012, 03:03 PM
Juvia/Jubia, not Lluvia, that's a wrong translation. edit: Still wrong. :p

Aquarius/Lucy made an suprise attack at Juvia in that arc, I can't judge who's stronger from that scene, was to short and immediate for that. Her imaging what could happen and what not is not her task as a stellar spirit summoned by her master to fight for her. She is party at fault, however I look at it.

MS translations are often more fluid, not always right. With those drips running down his face and his face, I would prefer their version.

Thanks for reminding me of Lyon, Mashima completely forgot him, as well as letting Lucy user her brain in this chapter. What kind of point distribution would you have favoured?

edit:
I don't know how you could misunderstand that situation, the commenter said that because both were doing nothing at that moment, not because it had ended, the 0:31 clock does reveal that they still have time to spend. I can't imagine Mavis and Makarov visiting Ivan right now, they could do so in the other 23 hours, where the tournament is on hold. They could ask where he got the information about Lumen Historie, but would have to think of a "why now?". If they really are gone, this could explain why Makarov isn't his magiv to Lucy from Minerva's grip.

I'm sad to see that you would only like her for being sexy. :( Woman have personalities too.

Uriel
July 16, 2012, 08:37 PM
Juvia/Jubia, not Lluvia, that's a wrong translation.
Lluiva is the spanish word for "Rain" Considering how many mangakas makes references (AHEMKUBOAHEM) I wouldn't say it's a wrong translation.

Kuza
July 16, 2012, 10:25 PM
Am I the only one to ask it - how do they breath and speak in water? :derp

It's not very kewl that Lucy gets beaten again, and judging from last pages I predict some1 (natsu) to jump in and start a war :>

Marche
July 17, 2012, 12:24 AM
Am I the only one to ask it - how do they breath and speak in water? :derp

It's not very kewl that Lucy gets beaten again, and judging from last pages I predict some1 (natsu) to jump in and start a war :>Even I thought about it.
I believe that just like the others thing in the others contests the water is made up with magic, so in someway they don't have any problem in breathing.

stevens41
July 17, 2012, 02:44 PM
Lluiva is the spanish word for "Rain" Considering how many mangakas makes references (AHEMKUBOAHEM) I wouldn't say it's a wrong translation. You got the order of the letters almost right, it is "Lluvia" as opposed to Lluiva. But you probably already know that since you are from Argentina. Just saying :)

kkck
July 17, 2012, 03:51 PM
^I am sure that is a typo lol. Anyways, as far as her name the issue with writing "lluvia" is that in english it would not actually sound right. In english the double L plainly does not sound like that (if it has a sound per say at all). In turn "jubia" does sound about as close as you get to the actual word in spanish. As the vast mayority of the people in the forum are native english speakers I would argue it is more practical to write jubia simply to have the readers get the right sound of the name.

IAmMooojoJojo
July 17, 2012, 09:01 PM
What's going to happen with Rogue and Gajeel? I'm getting pretty anxious to see more of Rogue and his fighting ability! He's the only one who hasn't fought in ANY battle (well, him and the rabbit from Blue Pegasus). But I wouldn't be surprised or upset if the next chapter was devoted to getting payback on ST.

---------- Post added at 10:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:58 PM ----------

Also, speaking of Rogue and Gajeel, some translations of next week's chapter title says "I'm only thinking of one thing". You know who has been saying that the entire arc? ROGUE. I'm just sayin'...

THM Nindo
July 17, 2012, 10:18 PM
Just had an epiphany, guys!

I'm thinking that Lucy might be used just like her mother was used 14 years ago.
And that, just like her mother, she will disappear.

This would totally explain why Levy is the one narrating now.

And the next arcs would be about Natsu and the others trying to figure out what happened to Lucy.
And doing so, we will also learn what happened to Layla and possibly the dragons.

Would make sense, right?

kkck
July 18, 2012, 12:14 AM
Is there any mention that lyla disappeared though? I think it was said she just died although admittedly we don't actually know the details behind that. It would be interesting to see she is somehow related to the current plot of the story.

Chris38
July 18, 2012, 12:21 AM
It has been stated in chapter 279, that Arcadios began the construction of the Eclipse Gate, 7 years ago, and at that time, Layla was already "dead", or at the very least, her grave was already put in place in the Heartfilia mansion, since if someone remembers Rave Master, Mashima's previous work, having a "grave" doesn't necessarily mean that someone has "died".

Ero-Sanji
July 18, 2012, 03:47 AM
Is there any mention that lyla disappeared though? I think it was said she just died although admittedly we don't actually know the details behind that. It would be interesting to see she is somehow related to the current plot of the story.

Remember how Lisanna died? She disappeared and was ever since regarded as dead, so the theory might not be so far fetched as it might seem.

RaveDragon
July 18, 2012, 05:52 AM
With everything thats happening to lucy i sure hope laylas alive but 'can't live with her as a family due to some duty concerning the dragons and maybe zeref. but at least i do think she is going to be explored,too many coincidences don't exist like how she reappearedlast arc and now judo is dead and anime/manga are revolving around lucy (and levy hopefully will also getan arc:D)

Schabrak
July 18, 2012, 06:44 AM
We knew from the beginning of the arc that she would either disappear or die, was that even questionable with Levy's monologues until now? oO That's a honest question, because there is no other way to explain the shift to Levy and the content of her diary. The only question is what the Eclipse is needed for. Summoning of a dragon, a monster, a dark spirit? I hope Lyla stays dead/gone, her family is Fairy Tail now.

RaveDragon
July 18, 2012, 06:49 AM
Maybe it's the gateway were zerefs evil was sealed because till now he seems just sad to me not a villian type (although he could turn into one remembering how he killed zancrow)

Chris38
July 18, 2012, 07:12 AM
Considering how it's named - "Eclipse" and the fact that it's referred to, as a gateway that will change the world I don't think that it contains something that the will only affect a single person.

In my opinion, considering the fact that the term "Eclipse" is being used, I think that it's something that will have worldwide effects and maybe will be something that will delay the end of the world, heralded by the summoning of Acnologia 7 years ago.

The reason why I think that's going to be the case, is caused by what Zeref has said near the end of chapter 249, that summoning Acnologia is a herald that this age is going to end, and the fact that apparently the construction of the Eclipse Gate began at the same time, and Zeref is definitely involved in the construction of this Gate.

Of course, it could equally be something that would hasten the effect that Acnologia's appearance apparently has, all of that pretty much depends on which side of the equation Zeref is going to be - is he someone who would want this world's age to end, or to repent for his sins, is he going to be someone who would want to save this world's age from Acnologia ?

Considering the fact that Lucy might join Zeref's ranks, and the fact that based upon her character, I don't think she would join someone with clearly evil intentions, and, in my opinion, the possibility of her being brainwashed doesn't have a huge chance of occurring, I'm leaning toward the first option, and, well... time will tell if my judgment has been the correct one.

RaveDragon
July 18, 2012, 08:21 AM
it would be funny if acnologia wanted to eat lucy bec of a grudge he has on her mums side xD

Thuwa25
July 18, 2012, 10:51 AM
i like natsu screaming sabretooth's name. he sounds like wolverine when he fights sabretooth. i reckon the pumpkin guy must be zeref and the king guy is a thought projection of his. i think lucy will survive cos if she died then charle's premonition would not come to pass. i hope natsu beats the hell outta Sting. i want to know whether the next chapter will tell the history between gajeel and fro? They have not explored that part to great detail....

Newkerzy
July 18, 2012, 12:20 PM
Considering how it's named - "Eclipse" and the fact that it's referred to, as a gateway that will change the world I don't think that it contains something that the will only affect a single person.

In my opinion, considering the fact that the term "Eclipse" is being used, I think that it's something that will have worldwide effects and maybe will be something that will delay the end of the world, heralded by the summoning of Acnologia 7 years ago.

The reason why I think that's going to be the case, is caused by what Zeref has said near the end of chapter 249, that summoning Acnologia is a herald that this age is going to end, and the fact that apparently the construction of the Eclipse Gate began at the same time, and Zeref is definitely involved in the construction of this Gate.

Of course, it could equally be something that would hasten the effect that Acnologia's appearance apparently has, all of that pretty much depends on which side of the equation Zeref is going to be - is he someone who would want this world's age to end, or to repent for his sins, is he going to be someone who would want to save this world's age from Acnologia ?

Considering the fact that Lucy might join Zeref's ranks, and the fact that based upon her character, I don't think she would join someone with clearly evil intentions, and, in my opinion, the possibility of her being brainwashed doesn't have a huge chance of occurring, I'm leaning toward the first option, and, well... time will tell if my judgment has been the correct one.

Y'know, that makes a lot of sense. Not only that, it would also be the perfect way to provoke Natsu even harder to kill him. Which is what he really wants.

Marche
July 18, 2012, 01:46 PM
Now I will comment about Lucy and Minerva, I will write about what happened in the lastest chapter or even what I believe will happened in the next chapters:
I must say that I don’t like Lucy’s character.
Infact I think that she is a boring's character, I believe that instead of her Mashima should give more visibility to other character.
The things that I don’t like of Lucy are these:
1) The fact that in the first part of series she never lost, even if her opponent was far more stronger there were always something or someone that maker her win (the strange thing is that even to Natsu this happened, but for him I don’t care, perhaps because usually to him this happen after that he fought other enemies, of perhaps because counting that he must seem a dragon I feel that it’s natural for him win against stronger enemies).
For this reason it’s quite funny that she lost after the timeskip after that she became more stronger thanks to Urtear power up.
2) Of her I don’t even like the she act strong when in the truth she is weak, she did that in this chapter here http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/83075428/24 or even at the beginning of her fight against Flare (even if in the truth she was stronger than Flare).
3) Another that I don’t like of her the most is the face that she has when there is something strange, when she is surprised, in danger or when she is pissed (when this happens her eyes became bigger).
When this happens she became even more ugly.
In fact usually I don’t think that she is beautiful, she has surely big boobs (in this page her boobs seem like two watermelons :super:yourock), but her *** is big, and her face, particularly with this hairstyle seem bigger, seem a little bit chubby (when her hair are long her face is not so bad).
4) Even if she is very clever, when she fights she is stupid, except for her fight against Flare she did not used any battle strategies.
This happened even in this lastest chapter, she infact could summon Scorpio so Aquarius would stay by her side.

The only times when she is really beautiful are when she tries to be sexy, that time she is really hot.
For this reason I really like that Minerva massacrated Lucy.
In the truth I hope to see in the future that this will happened even to Erza, Cana, Urtear and after this chapter even for Minerva.
Except for Minerva I like the other 3 women that I said.
To tell the truth I would hoped that Minerva did not touched Lucy’s face, in fact I would have liked more if Minerva would hurt Lucy in the other part of her body (even more that what she already did), on her abdomen, legs, back, *** and her chest.

Anyways even if it is true that Lucy without her keys or her “Fleuve d’etoiles” she has no magic and no defence, but anyways I don’t think that she will lear another magic.
I believe this because she has this problem from the beginning of the mange, so I believe that if she would learn another magic this would have already happened, it’s too late.

Someone said that they would have prefer if the one who would be beat up was Lluvia, but I don’t think that this would happened.
Because first Lluvia would not be beat up so much, she infact would have countered with the water, and beside that it is the fact that Minerva did that to someone who could not use any magic, to someone that had not any defence that this makes this fact so heavy.
Anyways I believe that Minerva can manipulate the space of what she hits.
I believe that her gloves have the same capacity of Urtear’s ball.
In fact they can create waves that hit directly her enemies, or just as Urtear’s ball can transport the things that it touches in a different time, her gloves can transport the things in a different space (she was able to take back Lucy).
But counting that Lucy says “heat” and then “heavy”, I believe that Minerva can change even the temperature and the gravity within a certain space (in a similar way as Bluenote and the stellar spirit of Pisces).

I really hope that someone would defeat her, that she would be humiliated.
I don’t think that Erza would be able to defeat her.
Infact I believe that their fight would be similar to Erza’s fight with Midnight, with the only addition that Minerva would be able to defend herself while attack Erza (Midnight could not do that, he could repell the enemies attack or attack his enemies, but he was not able to defend himself and attack at the same time).
Infact with one hand Minerva could attack her with the other protect herself by Erza’s attack.

Anyways this are way in which I believe Minerva could be defeated:
1) Gildzart for some reason will came back (someone will be able to contact him), then he could crush before only Minerva’s attack, and at the end even her gloves, just like he did with Bluenote blackhole.
2) If the one who wears the “rabbit guy” is Kageyama I believe that he is the strongest for Minerva, because thanks to her magical power he almost would not be affected by Minerva magic.
Beside the fact that he belongs to one of the weakest guild of the tournament would only increase the sense of humiliation in Minerva.
3) As I said in one of my post in the last days I believe that the two team of Fairy Tail would became one.
If it so the one who will be picked will be Luxus, Gazille, Natsu, Gray (these for sure) and most likely Erza.
As just I said several time I believe that in the 5th day there will be 5 battle royal where one member for each team would fight (the member would be decided by the team itself).
If for some reason Rufus will be able to defeat and badly injured Gray, Lluvia would be pissed, then she could want to revenge him, if this will happened she would switch with Erza (Lluvia’s power would be similar to that showed in her fight against Meldy).
4) She could be defeated by Kagura.
I believe in fact that if Kagura will know by Natsu how Sabertooth treated Yukino, she could decide to punish them, then knowing that Minerva is the daughter of Sabertooth’s master she could unsheathing her sword and defeat Minerva.
I believe this because counting that most likely Kagura lost her family and her friend for Gerard’s fault she could be possessive with her friends, just like Meldy was possessive with Urtear.
I believe this even because for what Kagura ask Yukino here http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/280/21.
Another possibilities is that Kagura defeat Minerva because she wants to fight Erza (so Minerva would be only a burden, an obstacle for her).
They can fight betting Gerard’s life. I would like to see Kagura unsheating her sword with Erza’s Fairy Tail sword.
If this would happened I really hope that Kagura will be the winner, and that Erza’s Fairy Tail sword would be broken.

P.S: I want to know your opinions of what I wrote, particularly about what I wrote at the end of the post.

Edelheld
July 18, 2012, 05:18 PM
I was really happy when it was said(huge thanks, btw) that Lluvia means "rain" in Spanish 'cos "lluvia" sounds so awesome and romantic, but then it was said(thanks too) that it actually sounds "jubia" and it's just lame. :gwah Stupid Spanish is stupid =(
And for English speaking people it's needed to be mentioned that "j" sounds not like in "joke" but more like "y" in "you". Because stupid English is stupid too =(
:rant


P.S: I want to know your opinions of what I wrote, particularly about what I wrote at the end of the post.
Emm, it's just hard to respond to such massive amount of thoughts and predictions. Just keep up a good work, it's surely nice to read =)

Schabrak
July 18, 2012, 05:46 PM
Eh, japanese pronouciation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJma-m5iG0s&feature=youtu.be&t=14s)/Seiyū reading the script > everything you can come up with [translations, meanings, derivation]. Does nobody here watches the anime too? Oo


No, it doesn't sound like "j". "Ll" is a more complex sound, a soft j of sorts. Sounds more like "U" than "J" to be honest.

And yes, it was a typo. ¬¬
Just as in this trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k33j4MGrTbg&feature=youtu.be&t=1m32s). Like the german Julia, but with a "v" instead of the "l". Ll looks like an U and is vocalised like one.

Uriel
July 18, 2012, 05:58 PM
I was really happy when it was said(huge thanks, btw) that Lluvia means "rain" in Spanish 'cos "lluvia" sounds so awesome and romantic, but then it was said(thanks too) that it actually sounds "jubia" and it's just lame. :gwah Stupid Spanish is stupid =(
No, it doesn't sound like "j". "Ll" is a more complex sound, a soft j of sorts. Sounds more like "U" than "J" to be honest.

And yes, it was a typo. ¬¬

SouringOwl
July 18, 2012, 09:17 PM
Can't believe you guys are making such a big deal for JUBIA's name.. In spanish, her name, meaning "rain" is spelled Lluvia. lol :super

Now:
I actually don't want Erza to fight Minerva. My ideal fighting matches for the tag teams are:
Erza and Jellal vs. Milliana and Kagura (although impossible unless FTA and FTB unite)
Laxus and Mirajane vs. Orga and Minerva

I want Mirajane to fight someone seriously.. an epic battle!! I honestly think Mira is stronger than Erza... and the only one capable of making Mira fight SERIOUSLY, with pure RAW power, is Minerva... can't you guys see that battle as one of the most epic in Fairy Tail History??? I know I do!

For day 5 is when I want Natsu and Sting to fight, and Gajeel and Rogue (I don't know how, but I don't want there to be a tag team unless its these four together!!)

I really don't think Gray vs. Rufus is very important because Rufus hasn't done anything as an individual to hurt Fairy Tail nor Gray.... Rufus didn't target Gray or Fairy Tail as a whole during Day 1 of the competition, he beat everyone equally!!!

SerpentTailedAngel
July 19, 2012, 01:19 AM
Sting pretty much told viewers that he and Natsu are going out today. Unless they're combining teams Team B isn't fighting Sabertooth at all, and if they are then there's absolutely no reason to send Mira, who already had a battle, when they can put four dragon slayers who have yet to fight out on the field.

dafuq
July 19, 2012, 04:22 AM
dont think mira will fight in 4 day of the tournament. she participated battle round and none of the participants fight twice in battle rounds so far ofc if we assume that tag battle counted as a battle round.
i guess tag battle staff is like this ;

Sabertooth: sting & rogue
Fta: natsu & gray
Ftb: gajeel & juvia
Lamia scale: lyon & yuka
Blue pegasus: bunny guy & MENN
Mermaid heel: beth & risley
Quatro puppy: yaeger & rocker

Edelheld
July 19, 2012, 06:36 AM
No, it doesn't sound like "j". "Ll" is a more complex sound, a soft j of sorts. Sounds more like "U" than "J" to be honest.
Ain't it sounds like "u" because there is "u" after "j"? =) As I got it "Ll" is a separate sound like German "j" or Russian "й".
Of course in Spanish "j" sounds different, I meant "j" as German "j" =)

P.S. If moderators think that it's an off top, it's not, 'cos I actually didn't know about that and I think I'm not the only one. I finally would articulate her name right. Though it could be more appropriate in Hangout thread I hope that few posts here won't upset The Great Balance much =)

Schabrak
July 19, 2012, 07:05 AM
Can't believe you guys are making such a big deal for JUBIA's name.. In spanish, her name, meaning "rain" is spelled Lluvia. lol :super

Soooo much text that you couldn't read it to know that it's been mentioned countless times already.:3c

Would like to see Gejeel vs Rogue, Milliana vs Erza and Yuka vs Bunny next.



I finally would articulate her name right.
Japanese pronounciation:

Eh, japanese pronouciation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJma-m5iG0s&feature=youtu.be&t=14s)

Spanish pronounciation:


Just as in this trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k33j4MGrTbg&feature=youtu.be&t=1m32s).
You are free to chose.

Edit:


"Lluvia" is the Spanish word for Rain. And it is pronounced as "Juvia". End of story.
Thanks for the clarification.:-_- The point was how you pronounce the "J", since there are many languages around the world with different pronunciations of the letter J. You added no new information.

longguilol1
July 19, 2012, 09:43 AM
"Lluvia" is the Spanish word for Rain. And it is pronounced as "Juvia". End of story.

Jona?
July 19, 2012, 10:18 AM
there's a note worth reading under the last example here:

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/pronouncing-the-spanish-double-consonants-ll-and-r.html


the top answer here also gives the right idea:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080820084248AAFB6G1

and here's one with peruvian spanish:

http://www.studyspanish.com/pronunciation/letter_ll.htm

kkck
July 19, 2012, 11:53 AM
Remember how Lisanna died? She disappeared and was ever since regarded as dead, so the theory might not be so far fetched as it might seem.

Well, lisana was kinda swallowed by anima. I do think it is far fetched to suggest that happened to lucy's mom too.

Chris38
July 19, 2012, 12:11 PM
Well, lisana was kinda swallowed by anima. I do think it is far fetched to suggest that happened to lucy's mom too.

But, it might be possible that something has happened, that made Lucy's mom disappear along with the dragons - after all, she "died", in the same year, that the dragons have disappeared, and in my opinion, those two events have some relation with each other.

kkck
July 19, 2012, 12:20 PM
But, it might be possible that something has happened, that made Lucy's mom disappear along with the dragons - after all, she "died", in the same year, that the dragons have disappeared, and in my opinion, those two events have some relation with each other.

Well, given the timelines a relationship of sorts between the dragons and layla is likely. Still, do we have any reason to believe the dragons disappeared? As far as we know they simply left elsewhere and are currently simply not with natsu and co. Or do we assume layla did not disappear but rather she simply left and everyone just said she died? I mean, we know little enough about her death so that basically anything could have happened but I do think she is actually dead. I mean, if she was alive, what would she be doing? Wouldn't her spirits have returned to her if she was alive and still a mage? What useful thing could she possibly have been doing if she was a mage who did not have her strongest spirits?