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Chris38
July 20, 2012, 03:57 AM
raws are out: http://mangateers.com/manga/fairy-tail-raw/292/1/

kazerua
July 20, 2012, 04:05 AM
so FTA and FTB are merged, the new FT team is freaking aweeeesome:D and they meet Sabertooth in the fighting portion!!!! this gotta be epic!!!!
btw i like Gajeel's new appearance:D

SerpentTailedAngel
July 20, 2012, 04:08 AM
Holy crap. So are they sacrificing Lucy to defend against Acnologia? My Japanese is only good enough to figure out how all of that was pronounced. I need scanlations NOW!

On a related note, looks like the Blue Pegasus fight is going to be fluff. I can't imagine them revealing who the bunny is while fighting Quatro Puppy.

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 04:10 AM
And they also brought their strongest members to the front, so from the looks of it someone's head is going to go down.

Although, what I'm wondering about, is the things, mentioned at the end of the chapter, in the discussion between the minster of defense and Arcadios, since from the looks of it, they might be discussing what the Eclipse's Gate purpose is.

@ SerpentTailedAngel

Thanks for the info, although judging from Carla's prophecy it probably won't go in the way that they plan.

Although, does that mean that Lucy will gain some powers that will allow her to defend herself against Acnologia and other dragons ?

RaveDragon
July 20, 2012, 04:11 AM
that last page...I have goosebumps, it seems lucy and that gate are really connected to the dragons =/

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also gajeel :hurr

Ero-Sanji
July 20, 2012, 04:12 AM
Holy crap. So are they sacrificing Lucy to defend against Acnologia? My Japanese is only good enough to figure out how all of that was pronounced. I need scanlations NOW!

On a related note, looks like the Blue Pegasus fight is going to be fluff. I can't imagine them revealing who the bunny is while fighting Quatro Puppy.

Was that acnologia though? Seem to me like some prophecy regarding Natsu and Igneel.
(EDIT: Ahh, sorry, now I saw the wings and those patterns that is most definitely Acnologia, but the mage has to be Natsu, no?)
Anyway, this chapter looks sweet, ST is going down, also might these five become the new S-class mages of FT? Can't wait to see the tag battle, the others seem to be more of plain fighting than informative.

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 04:14 AM
Acnologia is the dragon that destroyed Tenrou Island 7 years ago, or at least tried to do that, if Mavis hadn't intervened with the Fairy Sphere.

RaveDragon
July 20, 2012, 04:17 AM
And they also brought their strongest members to the front, so from the looks of it someone's head is going to go down.

Although, what I'm wondering about, is the things, mentioned at the end of the chapter, in the discussion between the minster of defense and Arcadios, since from the looks of it, they might be discussing what the Eclipse's Gate purpose is.

@ SerpentTailedAngel

Thanks for the info, although judging from Carla's prophecy it probably won't go in the way that they plan.

Although, does that mean that Lucy will gain some powers that will allow her to defend herself against Acnologia and other dragons ?

I always speculated lucy's mum was like an ambassador between the dragons and humans, maybe she'll learn some more celestial caster spells from a dragon *speculates* I am very interested now. Maybe she'll take her place or something. we'll have to wait and see.

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 04:23 AM
If Lucy would gain some powers that would allow her to go against Acnologia - or at least defend someone against his attacks, it would be pretty reasonable, why Zeref would become interested in Lucy.

Anyway I can't wait and see how this will go, and damn you Mashima for teasing us like this :-_-

I really hope that whatever happens on the seventh day, will provide a satisfying conclusion to all the teasing that Mashima makes us go though in the current arc.

3c
July 20, 2012, 04:29 AM
While things are pointing towards Lucy having some sort of defense against Acnologia, doesn't the guy's power on the painting look like Natsu's fire?

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 04:31 AM
While things are pointing towards Lucy having some sort of defense against Acnologia, doesn't the guy's power on the painting look like Natsu's fire?

Yeah, it looks like that, but we have already been provided with clues that Natsu and apparently Gajeel might be older then they look.

revas
July 20, 2012, 04:56 AM
if you look closely ant the last picture, you can see that the dragon is clearly igneel (fire dragon), and the man fighting him has the scarf with scales, just like Natsu.

frozen18ice
July 20, 2012, 04:57 AM
gajeels head band kinda looks like levys type of head band but not yellow, it looks amazing how all they look, i had a feeling this would happen it make sense this assure that fairy tale will be just one team being that they wont waste time fighting each other now it for sure that they will face the enemy 100% than fighting each other, looking at the group pic of the guild it is the second chapter that mashima included the bar girl that was added from the current anime arch and it just means that she is really a permanent member of fairy tale and not just a filler character like done in bleach or nauto. it makes it more a full stroy than being chop up like a crappy segmented non-unified story

nobody is guarding lucy the only two people that is not in the group pic is elf man who is injured and charlie and wendy that could be with lucy in the medic place with poluska.

i like that fact that its more actions than world almost like a freaze frame in a seen in a movie how the action means more than words. the last pic of the chapter just made me wonder do they offer a celestial wizard every time the magic tournament happens of is it just this incident

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 05:02 AM
if you look closely ant the last picture, you can see that the dragon is clearly igneel (fire dragon), and the man fighting him has the scarf with scales, just like Natsu.

Except for the fact that the markings on the picture look kind of similar to the ones Acnologia had, and I don't remember Igneel having something like that on his scales.

Anyway, this picture is definitely going to be clarified in the future chapters, or maybe an translation of the current chapter will clarify some things.

justf0rnow
July 20, 2012, 05:13 AM
has anyone else notice cobra's snake-maid from anime was there at http://mangateers.com/manga/fairy-tail-raw/292/13/ ?

revas
July 20, 2012, 05:15 AM
Except for the fact that the markings on the picture look kind of similar to the ones Acnologia had, and I don't remember Igneel having something like that on his scales.

Anyway, this picture is definitely going to be clarified in the future chapters, or maybe an translation of the current chapter will clarify some things.

yeah, markings are a puzzle, but if you remember the dragons, they all have distinct features... different "faces", different wings... so looking at this particular dragon, it has feather like wings as acnologia, but it's face is clearly Igneels (look at the horn shaped front)... but i have no doubt about the man - its Natsu (or its predecesor or smthg like that).

frozen18ice
July 20, 2012, 05:24 AM
cobra snake maid she is also in the bar where they did the barrel surfing two chapters ago

Jorge D. Dragon
July 20, 2012, 05:30 AM
The spoilers are damn promising.:)
So this chapter will serve to make a tention for us readers to wait till the next week, when we are going to see the fight between FT and Sabertooth.:) Though it would be better if not Gray, but Mira fought against Rufus.:)
The only one that it would be a pity to see getting pounched will be Rogue as all others are douches.

And of course it seems that the last pages are the most interesting as they show a secret behind all of the Arc. If it shows Natsu's and Igneel's training, then it might really be that Natsu is damn old and it might be that he is a real dragon and a real son of Igneel, but for now he stays in human form and don't remember his history.:)

P.S. Hope Captain Luxus will kick Orga's ass right in the next chapter.;)

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 05:45 AM
Well, honestly what meaning showing Igneel and Natsu "training" have with all the stuff about the Eclipse Gate - and Lucy apparently being planned to be used as a sacrifice in it.

In the first place Igneel and probably the rest of the dragons who have "trained" a first generation DS, didn't show any signs of being hostile against humanity - and at the moment, the only dragon who has shown such hostility is Acnologia, with the rest of the dragons hiding their existence, for some unknown reason.

Of course, it could be used to portray that Natsu is really old, but, in my opinion, this revelation doesn't have a lot sense, in relation with this whole Eclipse Gate, which is supposed to be the thing that this arc is partially about...

Sigh, hopefully a translation will clarify, what is the actual meaning of that particular picture.

Kuza
July 20, 2012, 05:47 AM
they should have taken wendy instead of gray caus 5v5 u need a support character :derp

Jorge D. Dragon
July 20, 2012, 05:51 AM
So it seems that this Gate can be opened only in certain time and it seems that the Dragons live behind the Gate in a different World, thus it seems that these guys want to taim Dragons or do something else, but at least to get there.
And this Arc might show more about not only Dragons, but also Dragonslayers.

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 06:00 AM
So it seems that this Gate can be opened only in certain time and it seems that the Dragons live behind the Gate in a different World, thus it seems that these guys want to taim Dragons or do something else, but at least to get there.
And this Arc might show more about not only Dragons, but also Dragonslayers.

If that's the case, then I really wonder how choosing Lucy is going to backfire on them - after all I doubt that Arcadios and his lackeys will succeed in achieving their plans.

After all, Lucy definitely has some relation with the dragons, since her mother "died" in the same year that the dragons have disappeared - although this revelation might suggest that Layla has been transported in someway to the world that the dragons apparently live in - and Arcadios failure might be caused by the fact that whatever relation Lucy has, with the dragons, is going to be revealed when the Eclipse Gate starts being opened, and then things will start being a mess, leading us to the scene that we saw in Carla's premonition.

RaveDragon
July 20, 2012, 06:03 AM
Well, it could also show what the purpose of dragonslayers is and why dragons train them and also connects layla/lucy's importance to this dragon plot

frozen18ice
July 20, 2012, 06:29 AM
i kinda find it funny how the relation of lucy in the story it pretty apparent to me its her powers.

celestial mage being able to call forth a being from a different dimension that is not resticted by time, being how they exsist beyond the life of a normal person 1day in the spirit relm is 3 months in the real world,
also if you look at the spirits they all look the same as they looked when leyla was using them they pretty much don't age the existed when the dragons was still present. aside tha fact that lucy's mon also disappeared when the dragon disappeared. lucy was not harmed by the anima because of hulugrum being able to travel from a different world and not affected by the laws of the other world due to cloths that virgo gives her. erza and lucy pretty much have similar power but different objects that it works on but lucy have it in much a masive scale that its to summon being from another world pretty much the purpose of arcadios to open a gate=lucy opens gates she got keys

it sucks also that fairy tail guard is down nobody is guarding lucy and it possible when the poop hits the fan that will be the time arcodios will make his move

pongy
July 20, 2012, 06:44 AM
Guys, I read through the pages roughly and there was no mention about Acnologia (if I didn't miss it). The last bit involving that minister of defense guy and Arcadios are as followed (again, based on my little Japanese knowledge):

- The minister of defense guy was surprised to not see Lucy in the Fairy Tail team so he asked Arcadios if he was responsible for that. Arcadios said he has find a more reliable method and the plan will be carried out 3 days later. He also mentions about “Zeref is waiting”
- In the last 2 pages that minister of defense guy said grand magic festival was long time ago called "ryuousai" (dragon king festival?) It's a festival of "dragon" and "man" and "magic"

I might go back to read it in more detail and give summary on other parts later if I can finish my work early.

RaveDragon
July 20, 2012, 06:47 AM
Guys, I read through the pages roughly and there was no mention about Acnologia (if I didn't miss it). The last bit involving that minister of defense guy and Arcadios are as followed (again, based on my little Japanese knowledge):

- The minister of defense guy was surprised to not see that Lucy wasn’t in the Fairy Tail team so he asked Arcadios if he was responsible. Arcadios said he has find a more reliable method to do so and the plan will be carried out 3 days later. He also mentions “Zeref is waiting”
- In the last 2 pages that guy said grand magic festival was long time ago called "ryuousai" (dragon king festival?) It's a festival of "dragon" and "man" and "magic"

I might go back to read it in detail and give summary on other parts later if I can finish my work early.

Finally! it was mentioned after the tower of heavenn arc by igneel and grandine and ive been curious about it since

wow thats foreshadowing!

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http://i16.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/101/fairy-tail-161890.jpg

dafuq
July 20, 2012, 06:48 AM
didnt expect 5vs5 battle showdown but it will be so good with this way. i mean natsu laxus erza gajeel and gray wow thats a dream team right there.
yeah also it looks like to me that man is natsu i mean look at his neck that is definetly a scarf which is identical to that natsu always wearing detailed with white scales
about dragon i dont know which one will be it doesnt look like igneel nor acnologia to me.
anyway waiting for translation.

Marche
July 20, 2012, 06:54 AM
Where is mentioned of the 5 vs 5 battle????

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 06:59 AM
Thanks pongy. Now, I really wonder if a dragon will actually show up during the GMG. :)

Not to mention, that this is some pretty big foreshadowing.

It also, once again brings up the fact that everything is going to happen in the seventh day - but I think that, it also might mean, that Arcadios plans to kidnap Lucy on the seventh day as well, which would, most likely, prevent Fairy Tale from being capable of rescuing her.

And you're translation also suggests that Zeref might be pretty close, which rises the possibility that Zeref was the person, who Jellal was fallowing, in chapter 289 - 290.

frozen18ice
July 20, 2012, 07:04 AM
omg if its a five on five battle that would be epic, i could just see it omg it would be amazing

Rarhyx
July 20, 2012, 07:14 AM
If it really is 5v5 I would have replaced gray with gerard
and I can't wait for next weeks chapter -___-

MONKEYS
July 20, 2012, 07:20 AM
they should have taken wendy instead of gray caus 5v5 u need a support character :derp

But Gray needs to get back at that Rufus douchebag

Also, is it just me, or does Erza pierce the fictional frontier and literally scare you (/me) a little?
Mashima did a great job with her, of course that could be due to the fact that she's one of the few modestly dressed female characters... Ah well, she's still awesome

A 5v5 brawl would be awesome. I'm particularly excited about the Erza/Minerva match-up. Everyone in FT wants to beat Minerva into the ground, and Erza is just the person to do it.

Also, do you think Gajeel will face Rogue or Sting? I personally think Rogue, but I don't see Rogue giving it a lot of effort, due to recent events.

Tis going to be an exciting few weeks

dafuq
July 20, 2012, 07:36 AM
well if u look at new fairy tail team each members correspond with sabortooth's team which they will go against in tag battle.
i mean natsu-sting, gajeel-rogue, laxus-orga, gray-rufus, erza-minerva.
all of them hinted at previous chapters except erza-minerva which looks like erza doesnt seems to approved what minerva did to lucy with that scary look at her face in this chapter and its look like tag battles consist of one round which will be seen in this page with just team names.
http://mangateers.com/manga/fairy-tail-raw/292/11/
i think it will be 5vs5 battle royal man cant wait to see that.

Ero-Sanji
July 20, 2012, 08:08 AM
well if u look at new fairy tail team each members correspond with sabortooth's team which they will go against in tag battle.
i mean natsu-sting, gajeel-rogue, laxus-orga, gray-rufus, erza-minerva.
all of them hinted at previous chapters except erza-minerva which looks like erza doesnt seems to approved what minerva did to lucy with that scary look at her face in this chapter and its look like tag battles consist of one round which will be seen in this page with just team names.
http://mangateers.com/manga/fairy-tail-raw/292/11/
i think it will be 5vs5 battle royal man cant wait to see that.

The current event is the tag battle 2vs2, and by comparing the names from the first page, it will be FT vs ST, and most definitely Natsu and Gajeel vs Sting and Rouge. The others will have to wait for day 5 to fight, and that might be a battle royal, a free for all, were Erza could end up fighting both Minerva and Kagura, I also think that while the others are busy with the fifth event the DSs will perhaps get closer to their destiny.

El Maco
July 20, 2012, 08:24 AM
Some random notes:

Lucy haters can stay silent now, she earned 8 points and everone's respect.
She got her keys back.
Makarov explains how, after the expulsion of RT, A and B team were joined to avoid having 7 teams. Charle asks about the rankings and Makarov says the points of the lowest ranking team (35) were used. If you look at the score board, that means ST at 44 and three other teams at 35.
Natsu says it'll become hot (which Mashima already tweeted). Lot's of fire coming on.
the last page calls it a banquet/feast of people, dragons and magic.

Ifrit
July 20, 2012, 08:37 AM
I like how things, are going atm. I don't agree with the 5 Vs 5 tho, It was clearly said ti will be a tag battle, probably Sting + Rouge Vs Natsu + Gajeel.

Erza, Laxus, and Gray will have their own spot lights in 1 on 1 fights.

I love Gray, but Mirajane is stronger, However not fair for the Gray fans. He need to do something.

Getting closer the my old theory, it was Layla who sealed the gate between the Dragons and Humans, I'm sure she had a good reason to do so, and it was agreed with both sides. Obviously Acknologia didn't like dat.

Can't wait for next week, Also need to see Lyon in action, the man should have changed its been 7 years after all.

dafuq
July 20, 2012, 08:46 AM
The current event is the tag battle 2vs2, and by comparing the names from the first page, it will be FT vs ST, and most definitely Natsu and Gajeel vs Sting and Rouge. The others will have to wait for day 5 to fight, and that might be a battle royal, a free for all, were Erza could end up fighting both Minerva and Kagura, I also think that while the others are busy with the fifth event the DSs will perhaps get closer to their destiny.

yeah i predicted that way in my some previous post cause normally tag battles done 2vs2 but its mashima u never know what he is going to do :).
Also 5th day is completely unknown it can be battle royal or some random contest round or something completely different really hard to predict.

RAYMONE614
July 20, 2012, 08:47 AM
Could it possibly be Leyla closed the gate and thats how she died... and that could be why Levy is narrating the story, which then leads to them trying to save Lucy? But it just make sense with all the Dragons disappearing the same year Leyla "died"...

Let me know what you guys think!...

Jorge D. Dragon
July 20, 2012, 08:49 AM
If we will see two vs two battle with Natsu and Gajeel against Sting and Rogue, then it will be quite an interesting fight and I don't think it will be an easy win for Natsu and Gajeel. I would even say that I doubt Gajeel can take Rogue. Especially as we know that both Sting and Rogue are Third Generation DS and thus have two elements and they also should have more Magical Power than Gajeel or maybe even Natsu (though it might be that Natsu have more or less equal Magic Power). The thing is thatr Gajeel doesn't have a second Magic Container as Natsu, Gray, Lucy or Wendy, hence it might be difficult for him. Also we should not forget that Sting and Rogue were a team for 7 years or maybe even more, so for them to fight together should be a great advantage. At the same time Natsu and Gajeel don't have that much of a teamwork. Of course they showed something close to it several times, but it wasn't an actual teamwork.
I believe that Natsu will barely win against Sting, but Rogue will understand that their path (Sabertooth's path) is wrong and then either forfeits or looses on purpose.

Rahan
July 20, 2012, 08:52 AM
Zeref is apparently involved.
Natsu will finally meet Igneel. (Igneel looked forward to seeing Natsu at the Dragon King Festival and turns out those games are the Dragon King Festival)
Leyla's story will probably be explained.
Jellal is probably going to either buy himself a new reputation. (or at least, make the first steps toward that) or die redeeming himself.
Lumen Etoile is also involved thanks to Raven Tail. (I doubt they'll just vanish from the story)


What will be left at the end of the arc ?
Looks like Mashima is heading toward the end of this manga. He never does very long stories and FT is already his longest one right ?

RAYMONE614
July 20, 2012, 08:57 AM
If we will see two vs two battle with Natsu and Gajeel against Sting and Rogue, then it will be quite an interesting fight and I don't think it will be an easy win for Natsu and Gajeel. I would even say that I doubt Gajeel can take Rogue. Especially as we know that both Sting and Rogue are Third Generation DS and thus have two elements and they also should have more Magical Power than Gajeel or maybe even Natsu (though it might be that Natsu have more or less equal Magic Power). The thing is thatr Gajeel doesn't have a second Magic Container as Natsu, Gray, Lucy or Wendy, hence it might be difficult for him. Also we should not forget that Sting and Rogue were a team for 7 years or maybe even more, so for them to fight together should be a great advantage. At the same time Natsu and Gajeel don't have that much of a teamwork. Of course they showed something close to it several times, but it wasn't an actual teamwork.
I believe that Natsu will barely win against Sting, but Rogue will understand that their path (Sabertooth's path) is wrong and then either forfeits or looses on purpose.

I like where your going with the rogue actually forfeiting the fight... or he may just let gajeel deliver the final blow.... idk lets see... so far we have not seen gajeels improvements and Lily DID say that Gajeel got much stronger.... lets wait and see!!

RaveDragon
July 20, 2012, 09:02 AM
Zeref is apparently involved.
Natsu will finally meet Igneel. (Igneel looked forward to seeing Natsu at the Dragon King Festival and turns out those games are the Dragon King Festival)
Leyla's story will probably be explained.
Jellal is probably going to either buy himself a new reputation. (or at least, make the first steps toward that) or die redeeming himself.
Lumen Etoile is also involved thanks to Raven Tail. (I doubt they'll just vanish from the story)

What will be left at the end of the arc ?
Looks like Mashima is heading toward the end of this manga. He never does very long stories and FT is already his longest one right ?


(Actually it will soon reach rave which is 35 volumes long. that is currently his longest)

I think he's just foreshadowing a bit the layla/dragons arc then he'd do the raven tail arc maybe who knows what next. Then whenever he wants he can start the final arcs with seref and the dragons, i think he just wants to explain layla, power up Luce and link them to the dragons so they can start looking for them.

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 09:03 AM
What will be left at the end of the arc ?
Looks like Mashima is heading toward the end of this manga. He never does very long stories and FT is already his longest one right ?

Dealing with Acnologia and Zeref, not to mention that, we don't know if Arcadios will actually succeeded in opening the Eclipse Gate - personally I doubt that's going to happen.

And even if he's going to succeed in doing this, there is also the fact that we don't know what kind of effect opening the Eclipse Gate is going to have on the world, I mean, there has to be a reason why this thing has been closed, probably related with the reason why the dragons have disappeared.

In other words, while we might be getting closer to this manga's end, I doubt it's going to happen so soon, especially considering how popular this manga currently is, Mashima is certainly going to put some additional plot points in the current arc, that will lengthen this manga's plot - after all, you don't end something, while it still generates a pretty impressive amount of money :hee

ILikeSleeping
July 20, 2012, 09:04 AM
WEOGHWEOJOKASDMV
The new Fairy Tail Team is too good to be true.
This is beyond badass.

And is it me or does the picture of the person at the end have a scarf?

RaveDragon
July 20, 2012, 09:07 AM
WEOGHWEOJOKASDMV
The new Fairy Tail Team is too good to be true.
This is beyond badass.

And is it me or does the picture of the person at the end have a scarf?

It does look like Natsu's scarf, i was thinking maybe there's more to his scarf then he knows ^^ but till now we can't know what that mural is, probably we will get the complete picture of it when Lucy is in there and arcadios explains what he wants (or what zeref wants)

Jorge D. Dragon
July 20, 2012, 09:09 AM
I would actually think that Rogue might be a bit stronger than Sting. Especially after remembering the stats Mashima gave to us.;)
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v33/c280.5/9.html
According to the stats Sting doesn't excel in anything, while Rogue has an exeptional speed. Of course it might not actually be that correct, but still... I believe Rogue might be the stronger one in their duo, while also more intellectual one and a better person.:)

Rahan
July 20, 2012, 09:16 AM
Dealing with Acnologia and Zeref, not to mention that, we don't know if Arcadios will actually succeeded in opening the Eclipse Gate - personally I doubt that's going to happen.

Zeref will be in the arc though.
Arcadios will do something to make the dragons come back (once again, Igneel looked forward to seeing Natsu in the Dragon King Festival, which is this tournament) so he might as well open the gate.

The gate is probably the way to reach the place where the dragons (and Zeref when he is in "quiet" mode) are chilling out.

What I find interesting is that Igneel (who looked like a decent fellow) apparently knew he would be able to meet Natsu (and so did Grandine since she prepared techniques for Wendy) and still looks forward to it even though it looks like the events that will lead to their encounter require hell breaking loose.

frozen18ice
July 20, 2012, 09:27 AM
according to the chapter than told the events for the tournament the fourth day is going to to be a tag battle im hoping that its a five person tag battle, the fifth day is all question but that made me wonder what is in store in the 6 to 7 day of the tournament. aside from the fact that 7th day will be the lucy kidnap day. it would be nice if it was a team battle royal all out no holds bar team members dont leave until one is unable to fight only to tag the next person to fight another person until you tag the next fighter.

come to think if it if we fallow the whole seven rule we got 7 dragon slayer pesent in the story arch
natsu, gajeel, wendy, laxus, sting, rouge, zeref(dark mage but i consider him the soul/life/death/darkness dragonslyayer)

El Maco
July 20, 2012, 09:37 AM
It does look like Natsu's scarf, i was thinking maybe there's more to his scarf then he knows

Oh, now you've made me do some research (fancy word for: reading the old chapters again :^_^).

In Chapter 2 (!!!), MiraJane explains to Lucy about how Natsu was raised by a dragon. When he was still small, he wasn't wearing the scarf. Then on the next page, it says "But one day, the dragon disappeared from Natsu". Natsu is wearing the scarf then and he is clutching it.
I'm deliberately not drawing any conclusions from that...

RaveDragon
July 20, 2012, 09:41 AM
Oh, now you've made me do some research (fancy word for: reading the old chapters again :^_^).

In Chapter 2 (!!!), MiraJane explains to Lucy about how Natsu was raised by a dragon. When he was still small, he wasn't wearing the scarf. Then on the next page, it says "But one day, the dragon disappeared from Natsu". Natsu is wearing the scarf then and he is clutching it.
I'm deliberately not drawing any conclusions from that...

it may also be just as we were told, somewhere someone (happy?) mentions the scarf is made from igneels scales and he gave it to him ^^

NAM61
July 20, 2012, 09:42 AM
everyone is ready to fight and lucy is in the hospital probably not well protected they may try and capture her there

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 09:43 AM
Zeref will be in the arc though.
Arcadios will do something to make the dragons come back (once again, Igneel looked forward to seeing Natsu in the Dragon King Festival, which is this tournament) so he might as well open the gate.

The gate is probably the way to reach the place where the dragons (and Zeref when he is in "quiet" mode) are chilling out.

What I find interesting is that Igneel (who looked like a decent fellow) apparently knew he would be able to meet Natsu (and so did Grandine since she prepared techniques for Wendy) and still looks forward to it even though it looks like the events that will lead to their encounter require hell breaking loose.

But, I doubt that he will be defeated in the current arc, last time he has appeared Natsu wasn't even capable of scratching him, and I don't think that the LFD mode is going to change that.

As for Natsu and Igneel meeting, personally I think it's too early for something like that to occur, while there has been a mention of a dragon king festival in the previous arc, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to occur in the current arc.

Mashima doesn't need to rush things, after all, since the manga is still pretty popular and it doesn't look like it's going to be canceled anytime soon.

I think that the primary objective of the current arc is to put some additional information about the dragons and explain, what kind of relation Lucy / Layla has with them.

I doubt it's going to be something more then this, and even if the reunion between Igneel and Natsu is going to occur in the current arc - there is still plenty of plot points that have been unresolved, like for example the whole thing with Jellal and Kagura (which might be resolved in the current arc), what exactly is the Lumen Histoire, and what Raven Tail, or more exactly Ivan wants to do with it, which most likely needs a separate arc, and probably a lot of other things that I can't even think off, at least at the moment.

In other words, I think that we are still pretty far away from this manga's ending.

El Maco
July 20, 2012, 10:04 AM
it may also be just as we were told, somewhere someone (happy?) mentions the scarf is made from igneels scales and he gave it to him ^^

More research on my day off!

Chapter 209, when Natsu and Zeref meet on Tenrou island, Zeref says "You've really grown. I've been wanting to see you."
Then, after a small attack: "Natsu still can't break me. But Natsu is the only one who can stop me. Are you still not capable?"
Then, Natsu's scarf becomes black and he says: "This is the muffler I got from Igneel", to which Happy replies: "Maybe Igneel's muffler gave itself to protect Natsu?". Then later on, Natsu can only be healed by Wendy by restoring the scarf to its original.

Your memory is better than mine, but not perfect (^_^).

So maybe Zeref can be broken by DS magic, and Igneel gave a passive talisman to Natsu, possibly from his own scales.

sarutobi_sensei
July 20, 2012, 10:11 AM
Guys, I read through the pages roughly and there was no mention about Acnologia (if I didn't miss it). The last bit involving that minister of defense guy and Arcadios are as followed (again, based on my little Japanese knowledge):

- The minister of defense guy was surprised to not see Lucy in the Fairy Tail team so he asked Arcadios if he was responsible for that. Arcadios said he has find a more reliable method and the plan will be carried out 3 days later. He also mentions about “Zeref is waiting”
- In the last 2 pages that minister of defense guy said grand magic festival was long time ago called "ryuousai" (dragon king festival?) It's a festival of "dragon" and "man" and "magic"

I might go back to read it in more detail and give summary on other parts later if I can finish my work early.

Thank you!

Finally more about the dragon king festival!

this sure is bound to be awesome! Going to love reading this full chapter and the ones to come :D

I hope it's finally Natsu and Gajeel vs Sting and Rogue.

RaveDragon
July 20, 2012, 10:11 AM
More research on my day off!

Chapter 209, when Natsu and Zeref meet on Tenrou island, Zeref says "You've really grown. I've been wanting to see you."
Then, after a small attack: "Natsu still can't break me. But Natsu is the only one who can stop me. Are you still not capable?"
Then, Natsu's scarf becomes black and he says: "This is the muffler I got from Igneel", to which Happy replies: "Maybe Igneel's muffler gave itself to protect Natsu?". Then later on, Natsu can only be healed by Wendy by restoring the scarf to its original.

Your memory is better than mine, but not perfect (^_^).

So maybe Zeref can be broken by DS magic, and Igneel gave a passive talisman to Natsu, possibly from his own scales.

If my memory was perfect i wouldn't need to study :derp

There was a mention of the scar before early in the manga i think? but that also reminds us of it.

I'm more interested in the games for now because i fi get all hopeful mashima might not give us enough info to make me happy :lmao

I'm looking forward to gajeel vs rogue and natsu kicking stings ass!

Erza shall avenge lucy i guess xD

Ghan
July 20, 2012, 10:14 AM
Spoilers look promising . Here is my crack theory about all of this:

All the dragons left and traveled to the other countries to raise other dragon slayers. And then maybe all the dragon slayers will unite and fight zeref. :derp

JunKisaragi
July 20, 2012, 10:20 AM
Can't wait for the scanlated versions to come out.

So it seems like Natsu is indeed destined to fight Acnologia.

Now I'm thinking that Zeref might have a direct link to Acnologia, meaning killing him would also destroy the dragon? Dunno, just got it from the fact that Zeref was somehow happy to see Natsu but got bummed by the fact that Natsu was still not ready to "destroy" him.

kkck
July 20, 2012, 10:27 AM
So why exactly were the teams merged? Why didn't that happen a little earlier? And for that matter, wouldn't they have been able to create a stronger team? I mean, wouldn't a team with mira make more sense? Of course gajeel and natsu wouldn't pass on their chance to fight and perhaps 1 of them being in the team makes sense as gildarts is not there but there is no reason for grey to be there instead of mira.

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according to the chapter than told the events for the tournament the fourth day is going to to be a tag battle im hoping that its a five person tag battle, the fifth day is all question but that made me wonder what is in store in the 6 to 7 day of the tournament. aside from the fact that 7th day will be the lucy kidnap day. it would be nice if it was a team battle royal all out no holds bar team members dont leave until one is unable to fight only to tag the next person to fight another person until you tag the next fighter.

come to think if it if we fallow the whole seven rule we got 7 dragon slayer pesent in the story arch
natsu, gajeel, wendy, laxus, sting, rouge, zeref(dark mage but i consider him the soul/life/death/darkness dragonslyayer)

Well, if you count laxus then wouldn't you need to count cobra? He technically is not a real DS but as far as we know he is... somewhere... doing something lol.

RaveDragon
July 20, 2012, 10:27 AM
So why exactly were the teams merged? Why didn't that happen a little earlier? And for that matter, wouldn't they have been able to create a stronger team? I mean, wouldn't a team with mira make more sense? Of course gajeel and natsu wouldn't pass on their chance to fight and perhaps 1 of them being in the team makes sense as gildarts is not there but there is no reason for grey to be there instead of mira.

probably they were asked to do so since there are 7 teams...and gray wants revenge on the st guy with memory make

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 10:34 AM
Another reason why the "merge" hasn't occurred earlier, is caused by the fact that Lucy probably wouldn't be beaten up so badly, if there was only a "single" FT team, and it wouldn't be so easy for Arcadios to capture her.

And considering the fact that Lucy is in the infantry, while most of the FT guild, cheer on the "merged" FT team, it should be pretty easy for Arcadios to kidnap Lucy, right ?

Honestly Carla, it's probably going to be you're fault that Lucy is going to be kidnapped - after all, if she told more people about her latest premonition, then Lucy definitely would be more heavily defended, but well, that's probably called plot induced stupidity at it's finest :p

1337 haxor
July 20, 2012, 10:37 AM
Next chapters I predict a complete obliteration of Sabertooth! :derp

The dragons invented the tournament, lookslike they will really come back by the end of this arc.

That gate must be something so wicked it can even put the dragons against the wall to act.

frozen18ice
July 20, 2012, 10:39 AM
So why exactly were the teams merged? Why didn't that happen a little earlier? And for that matter, wouldn't they have been able to create a stronger team? I mean, wouldn't a team with mira make more sense? Of course gajeel and natsu wouldn't pass on their chance to fight and perhaps 1 of them being in the team makes sense as gildarts is not there but there is no reason for grey to be there instead of mira.

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Well, if you count laxus then wouldn't you need to count cobra? He technically is not a real DS but as far as we know he is... somewhere... doing something lol.
i have to agree with you with the whole mira being a stronger mage to be part of the team fighting but i dont think that is the case in this situation. one being lucy have been part of natsu, gray, erza team if anybody would want to get back at sabertooth it would be those four aside from the fact that mira has parameters for her to go all out on her enemy one of those is hurting one of her siblings which was not met and it would be good to have a powerful mage outside the ring to make sure there is still protection if anything would happen. plus the bad blood between grey and the sb tooth guy their magic is both creation magic just like how orgas power is similar to laxus that is lightning if mira is transformation its like having erza sit it out because she and erza are rivals and in power at the same level. we all know natsu is not gonna sit this out along with grey and erza that pretty much narrows the selection along side gajeel that is also head strong in fighting sabertooth.

i think the whole cobra thing being also a ds might not be important in this arch because he might die in the filler arch in the anime that is mybe why he is not present in the tournament and so far the only ones present that have ds powers are the seven that are present.

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 10:40 AM
Next chapters I predict a complete obliteration of Sabertooth! :derp

The dragons invented the tournament, lookslike they will really come back by the end of this arc.

That gate must be something so wicked it can even put the dragons against the wall to act.

It's not going to happen that quickly, I think that the battle's against Sabertooth, are going to be the last tag battle's taking place.

Ero-Sanji
July 20, 2012, 10:41 AM
Why is everyone looking down on Grey?

WE know that he's not at the same level as Natsu and WE also know that Natsu is potentially stronger than Erza, however according to them Natsu and Grey are equal and both regard themselves as inferior to Erza. Grey defeated both Fukurou and Urtear, something Natsu couldn't do, don't look down on him. Also, who's to say that Grey is weaker than Gajeel? This team is obviously plot related and not by strength, I also feel that it has to do with will, Grey wants it more than Mirajane.

kkck
July 20, 2012, 10:48 AM
Why is everyone looking down on Grey?

WE know that he's not at the same level as Natsu and WE also know that Natsu is potentially stronger than Erza, however according to them Natsu and Grey are equal and both regard themselves as inferior to Erza. Grey defeated both Fukurou and Urtear, something Natsu couldn't do, don't look down on him. Also, who's to say that Grey is weaker than Gajeel? This team is obviously plot related and not by strength, I also feel that it has to do with will, Grey wants it more than Mirajane.

Because it is what the manga has shown us. Obviously there are plot related elements to strength but overall the manga has been fairy consistent about mira being just about as strong as erza and erza being overall superior to natsu and grey. The entire manga up until now suggests that mira is objectively stronger than grey and by extension the more logical option to join the team. Natsu didn't get to finish the battle with urtear and natsu only lost to that guy because of his weakness to vehicles, it was more of a circumstantial defeat rather than a difference in strength.

1337 haxor
July 20, 2012, 10:48 AM
This will be an FT friendship revenge battle, any friggin logic about power levels can stay out of this thread for it's own safety.

Fact is that Gray sworn to smack the crap out of Nullpuding and Rufus, since Laxus took care of the former it's now time for Gray to pull off his awesomeness and clothing.

It probably will take three chapters or even seven if Mashima focus on each fight individually but in the end all of Sabertooth will be on the floor and FT will claim their righteous haxness.

kpmaie
July 20, 2012, 10:52 AM
I don't get how Lucy gained 8 points... In previous chapter it was explained that in "the 5 minutes" rule the one who lose will gain least amount of points. Since Minerva and Lucy ended up fighting under this rule, then shouldn't Lucy get least points of all teams? It does't make sense how she got 8.


Also, Y U SO SEXY, GAJEEL? This new look~~ My poor, weak fangirl heart barely survived this hotness attack *obsessed*

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 10:58 AM
I don't get how Lucy gained 8 points... In previous chapter it was explained that in "the 5 minutes" rule the one who lose will gain least amount of points. Since Minerva and Lucy ended up fighting under this rule, then shouldn't Lucy get least points of all teams? It does't make sense how she got 8.


Also, Y U SO SEXY, GAJEEL? This new look~~ My poor, weak fangirl heart barely survived this hotness attack *obsessed*

I think that in the context, it should mean that the one who gets eliminated during the 5 minutes, gets put in the last place, but after that timer runs out, they still need to decide who the winner is, which Minerva has done, in a pretty brutal way.

JunKisaragi
July 20, 2012, 10:58 AM
I don't get how Lucy gained 8 points... In previous chapter it was explained that in "the 5 minutes" rule the one who lose will gain least amount of points. Since Minerva and Lucy ended up fighting under this rule, then shouldn't Lucy get least points of all teams? It does't make sense how she got 8.


Also, Y U SO SEXY, GAJEEL? This new look~~ My poor, weak fangirl heart barely survived this hotness attack *obsessed*

Maybe the timer ran out before Minerva "graciously" placed her outside of the bubble.

That would explain why Laxus mentioned "The match is already over, isn't it..." telling us that the timer ran out but Minerva still kept on pouncing on poor Lucy like a wild bitch in heat. (Sorry, I just have a lot of negative feelings toward Minerva).

frozen18ice
July 20, 2012, 10:58 AM
I don't get how Lucy gained 8 points... In previous chapter it was explained that in "the 5 minutes" rule the one who lose will gain least amount of points. Since Minerva and Lucy ended up fighting under this rule, then shouldn't Lucy get least points of all teams? It does't make sense how she got 8.


Also, Y U SO SEXY, GAJEEL? This new look~~ My poor, weak fangirl heart barely survived this hotness attack *obsessed*
she was inside of the water bubble even after the time limit and was abused after the 5min rule so that is why she got 8 point and not zero because the bitch took her time to beat lucy up pulling her back in to hurt her more wondering if you even read the last chapter, this chapter pretty much told us that lucy was still inside after the 5 min rule getting 8 points

El Maco
July 20, 2012, 11:00 AM
If Lucy was thrown out of the sphere within those last 5 minutes, it would have been 0 points. If she managed to stay inside all the time, 8 points. It was left unclear on purpose in the previous chapter what the timer was (althought the fight was stopped by the referee).

Anyway, let's call it artistic suspense. It advanced the plot because now there are three teams each on the heels of ST with the same amount of points.

Me, I'm just looking forward to Erza vs. Minerva.
Funny note: on Japanese forums like 2ch.net, she is called Minerbaba. The va in Minerva is always written as ba and the baba means 'bitch'. So they're calling her Minerva-bitch :edu.

JunKisaragi
July 20, 2012, 11:14 AM
If Lucy was thrown out of the sphere within those last 5 minutes, it would have been 0 points. If she managed to stay inside all the time, 8 points. It was left unclear on purpose in the previous chapter what the timer was (althought the fight was stopped by the referee).

Anyway, let's call it artistic suspense. It advanced the plot because now there are three teams each on the heels of ST with the same amount of points.

Me, I'm just looking forward to Erza vs. Minerva.
Funny note: on Japanese forums like 2ch.net, she is called Minerbaba. The va in Minerva is always written as ba and the baba means 'bitch'. So they're calling her Minerva-bitch :edu.

Or Miner-bitch. Happy to know I'm not alone. :teehee

Ero-Sanji
July 20, 2012, 11:18 AM
Because it is what the manga has shown us. Obviously there are plot related elements to strength but overall the manga has been fairy consistent about mira being just about as strong as erza and erza being overall superior to natsu and grey. The entire manga up until now suggests that mira is objectively stronger than grey and by extension the more logical option to join the team. Natsu didn't get to finish the battle with urtear and natsu only lost to that guy because of his weakness to vehicles, it was more of a circumstantial defeat rather than a difference in strength.

But there's always a circumstantial results in FT, that's why you can't call it consistent. Natsu's weakness is no different from Lucy's (losing the keys), it's no excuse and Natsu knows it, that's why he wanted a rematch when he found out that Grey won against Fukurou. Natsu also had nothing on Urtear taking an attack which Grey evaded with ease.

Erza has even admitted that a serious Natsu is stronger than her, but the manga has never shown that except during his numerous power-ups. All I'm saying is that there's more to it than just sheer strength or magical capacity, every battle is different from each other and sometimes Grey is more useful than say Mira, as with the Urtear battle, no other mage would have won against her arc of time.

Anyway, regarding this chapter it's quite interesting how the general opinion is on Grey, in my opinion he might not be stronger than Mirajane but he's more useful, no one knows what the fifth day will bring.

1337 haxor
July 20, 2012, 11:22 AM
I don't get how Lucy gained 8 points... In previous chapter it was explained that in "the 5 minutes" rule the one who lose will gain least amount of points. Since Minerva and Lucy ended up fighting under this rule, then shouldn't Lucy get least points of all teams? It does't make sense how she got 8.


Also, Y U SO SEXY, GAJEEL? This new look~~ My poor, weak fangirl heart barely survived this hotness attack *obsessed*

Lucy got 8 because she stood in the arena until the time finished, Minerva was more interested in beating the crap out of her than to kick her out and let her get 0 points.

Also, the entire tournament is rigged, if Arcadios says that Lucy should get 8 point she will get 8 points.

It's out:
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/292

JunKisaragi
July 20, 2012, 11:23 AM
Scanlated version is out: http://mangateers.com/manga/fairy-tail/292/1/

Newkerzy
July 20, 2012, 11:24 AM
Chapter's out (http://mangateers.com/manga/fairy-tail/292/1/)

hossice
July 20, 2012, 11:30 AM
^^^ is the chapter out? >.>

anyways next week looks like freaking ichiya will get some spotlight. "the parfum i'll dedicate to you" unless its just to erza from ichiya hahah

Ghan
July 20, 2012, 11:31 AM
The chapter made me excited. I can't wait to find out about this Dragon King Feast. Also, it seems that Zeref is in league with Arcadios

RaveDragon
July 20, 2012, 11:32 AM
Minerbaba... :mad she needs to be pwned :pwned

Erza was cool though! Thank goodness she remained calm enough or fta would have had a bad ending :/

seems ichiya is up for sure so blue pegasus vs quatro puppy

now i really do think layla might have been the bridge between dragons and people xD

kakashidad
July 20, 2012, 11:33 AM
Oh my days!!!! they've formed a new team...this is awesome!!!!!! enjoy folks.I certainly did.

http://mangateers.com/manga/fairy-tail/292/#1/

JunKisaragi
July 20, 2012, 11:36 AM
Miner-bitch thinks she's all that, calling Lucy "useless trash". Tch.

If she only knew how useful she is. Heck, she's even needed for that eclipse thing to work. :teehee

Looks like next week's chapter will be all about the first match-up. *sigh*

El Maco
July 20, 2012, 11:42 AM
The dragon slayer in the last page seems to be a woman.

Shadow Limiter
July 20, 2012, 11:43 AM
Reading this chapter makes me feel that the Gate they are trying to opening maybe actually connected to the Demons rather than the Dragons.

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The dragon slayer in the last page seems to be a woman.

Maybe Natsu's mother because that person is definitely a Fire Magic user

Jorge D. Dragon
July 20, 2012, 11:45 AM
The chapter was damn interesting.:))
It was quite a good build-up for the upcoming battle between Fairy Tail and Sabertooth, but looks like that in the next chapter we are not going to see them. Seems that in the next chapter we will get Blue Pegasus vs Qyatro Cerberus.:) And we may finally learn the identity of the Rabbit.;)

That guy who was fighting the Dragon really looked like Natsu.:) As we know in Mashima's previous work Rave Master, he had one of the protagonists who looked like Lucy who first was thought to have lost her memory, but then we got that she was the woman from the past who was transfered to the future via a spell and she forgot about her past, but then remembered. I believe it would be the same with Natsu, Gajeel and other real DS. They will remember their past and learn their true identity at some point.:)

Seems that we will have to wait at least two chapters before seeing FT against ST, but I believe it would be also interesting to see other Guilds fight each other.:)

jacke12
July 20, 2012, 11:45 AM
now i really do think layla might have been the bridge between dragons and people xD
The thing you said about Layla being something like bridge between dragons and people might be true because she died and few months later they are gone

RaveDragon
July 20, 2012, 11:46 AM
The dragon slayer in the last page seems to be a woman.


Maybe Natsu's mother.

or lucy's :teehee

REN KOUEN
July 20, 2012, 11:51 AM
honestly im getting sick of mangahere.com they always place there stamps all over the corners of the pages like whores so you cant read certain text

so i will go to the direct source like mangapanda or mangateers from now on, or manga stream

baka manga here!!!!

anyway now that my rant is over, i liked this chapter, i would have liked to see some actual action, i am honestly a bit dissapointed that jellal is not a member of this mega team, it would be BADASS if he would replace gray (nothing against gray he is awesome too) but man who could beat a team of laxus, natsu, erza, jellal and gajeel?

that would be awesome

1337 haxor
July 20, 2012, 12:03 PM
anyway now that my rant is over, i liked this chapter, i would have liked to see some actual action, i am honestly a bit dissapointed that jellal is not a member of this mega team, it would be BADASS if he would replace gray (nothing against gray he is awesome too) but man who could beat a team of laxus, natsu, erza, jellal and gajeel?

that would be awesome

The problem is that Jellal cannot fight at full power because of his disguise.
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Anyhow, I get the felling that we are about to witness a Berserk like end of the world.

The way they put it in this chapter makes me think that reality is split between the realm of demons, the realm of humans and the realm of dragons.

When Lucy opens the gate the barriers holding each world apart will be destroyed and the Ultimate Magic World will be born.

Aranilas
July 20, 2012, 12:09 PM
...

anyway now that my rant is over, i liked this chapter, i would have liked to see some actual action, i am honestly a bit dissapointed that jellal is not a member of this mega team, it would be BADASS if he would replace gray (nothing against gray he is awesome too) but man who could beat a team of laxus, natsu, erza, jellal and gajeel?

that would be awesome

I think so too, I'm also quiet dissappointed, that Mira isn't in the team either. Mira is such a likeable character - she is a total soft nature, but such a strong and great mage.
If she would have replaced Gajeel and Jellal Gray (tough I REALLY like Gray) - this team were sooo awesome.

chess4
July 20, 2012, 12:11 PM
something really big is about to happen....remember grandeeney told igneel he cant wait to meet him at the dragon kings feast........i think natsu and the rest of the dragon slayers will have to fight them off........i think thats why the dragons left them because they knew that the slayers couldnt fight seriosly being with them until this fated day

Ero-Sanji
July 20, 2012, 12:14 PM
Yes!
Finally Ichiya is fighting!!

MyuuMyuu
July 20, 2012, 12:15 PM
As much as i love Gray, i diffently think they should have chosen Mirajane instead of Gray in the strongest team. shes diffently stronger than him..

zerocooldx
July 20, 2012, 12:23 PM
The dragon slayer in the last page seems to be a woman.

I don't think its necessarily a woman based off of the clothes, whomever it is just seems to be wearing a cloak. The most important aspect of the individual is the scarf they have wrapped around their neck. Look familiar?

Raicrune
July 20, 2012, 12:24 PM
WOW! I seriously have goosebumps seeing the teamed up FT.

Now if only Gray was replaced with Gildarts Now THAT would be Fairy tails strongest team. Damn i could only wish!
Gray is strong but it wouldve scared off SB more to show off FT Strongest.

dafuq
July 20, 2012, 12:27 PM
and it's out at mangastream too.
http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/62510083/1

1337 haxor
July 20, 2012, 12:27 PM
something really big is about to happen....remember grandeeney told igneel he cant wait to meet him at the dragon kings feast........i think natsu and the rest of the dragon slayers will have to fight them off........i think thats why the dragons left them because they knew that the slayers couldnt fight seriosly being with them until this fated day

This seriously raises the possibility that the dragons live in a realm in which time passes by slower than it does in the human world.

It would explain why Natsu is over 80 years old, if he spent his childhood on a realm where time it's like seven times slower it means that he could have been decades or even centuries old when Ingneel left him.

Also, Arcadios and the minister are talking about the last time they attempted to open the gate, that could mean that last time Layla was used as sacrifice and hence she gradually lost magic and died.

SlayerKisame
July 20, 2012, 12:29 PM
Crazy, so this is the Dragon King Feast that Grandeeny was talking about 7 years ago. Actually, what is the feast about? How does it work? It just kind've popped into that chapter randomly. And the festival Arcadios was talking about, he said to just "enjoy it". Does that imply the dragons will visit? Also, I'm guessing his ultimate plan is to open the gate between dragons and demons, and the human world - having something to do with Zeref. Maybe Zeref is in the demon world and his plan is to get him out of there? Well, if that's the plan, then why did he say "enjoy the festival"? It hasn't even started and can't because the dragons are in a different realm! OMG. Geez, such unclear last few pages.

The rest of the chapter was pretty nice. Good buildup between the guilds and I expected the new team to have those members. Hopefully the FT's tag team is Natsu and Gajeel so there will be a perfect match up with Sting and Rogue.

Shadow Limiter
July 20, 2012, 12:33 PM
Also, Arcadios and the minister are talking about the last time they attempted to open the gate, that could mean that last time Layla was used as sacrifice and hence she gradually lost magic and died.

I think the "last time" here means the failed attempt to kidnap Lucy from the sick bay in chapter 278.

frozen18ice
July 20, 2012, 12:35 PM
i have this weird feeling that zeref have nothing to do with the plans of arcodios to open the gate and he is moving on his own insanity like how hades wanted to get the keys to awaken zaref from his false notion of what was really true. seems like arcodios could be in the same vote, its possible that when zeref was in fairy tale island eh was just sleeping trying to escape from killing anybody and just wants natsu to end him far from what most people want him to be doing his powers where more like something he does not want to use. it could be also that zeref comes to the event from tradition in the old days to find natsu not much for arcadios plans of evil.

Ghan
July 20, 2012, 12:35 PM
Anyone else found it strange how Arcadios says "lord zeref is waiting". The way he phrases it makes it sound like he is going to be summoned

1337 haxor
July 20, 2012, 12:38 PM
I think the "last time" here means the failed attempt to kidnap Lucy from the sick bay in chapter 278.

That's another way to interpret it.

Also, I just remembered there is a reserve member for each team so the new FT team probably is Natsu, Gajeel, Laxus, Gray, Erza and Mirajane.

frozen18ice
July 20, 2012, 12:39 PM
Anyone else found it strange how Arcadios says "lord zeref is waiting". The way he phrases it makes it sound like he is going to be summoned

yeah thats what i mean i dont think arcodios even know the true zeref that the fairy tale met in the tenguro island its almost like he is one of those stupid fanatics that think zeref is this demon god giving power not the kind person that dont have control over his power and trying to get away from people dying and punishes hades for his ebil

sarutobi_sensei
July 20, 2012, 12:53 PM
OMG Erza is scary! You've made enemies of the worst possible guild to piss off :D OMG!

Well, if Guildartz was there, it would truly be the strongest team. But this is so awesome!

Finally news on the Festival of the Dragon King, as well as we know for sure that Arcadios is going to try and take Lucy again.

I just can't wait to see the battle between Natsu and Gajeel vs Sting and Rogue.

russell
July 20, 2012, 12:56 PM
Ilove this idea that natsu and rest of the dragon slayers were in the dragon realm that would explain how zeref know natsu from way bac when he was alive so i think its somethin like zeref was there in dragon realm and then came earth and because of the time difference difference natsu was still a child while he (zeref) was really old.Then somethin happened makin the dragons leave the children on earth and returning to their realm.

Buggy
July 20, 2012, 01:03 PM
Well, if Guildartz was there, it would truly be the strongest team. But this is so awesome!


It wouldn't be a contest then, it would be a roflstomp:P

sarutobi_sensei
July 20, 2012, 01:15 PM
Which would just be awesome :D

They are about to learn of the true power of Fairy Tail. They are about to witness despair. They are about to be annihilated. They did not know fear. They will now.

Actually fears definition should be Fairy Tail.

Even the cats were scared when Natsu was about to attack her

kkck
July 20, 2012, 01:22 PM
But there's always a circumstantial results in FT, that's why you can't call it consistent. Natsu's weakness is no different from Lucy's (losing the keys), it's no excuse and Natsu knows it, that's why he wanted a rematch when he found out that Grey won against Fukurou. Natsu also had nothing on Urtear taking an attack which Grey evaded with ease.

Erza has even admitted that a serious Natsu is stronger than her, but the manga has never shown that except during his numerous power-ups. All I'm saying is that there's more to it than just sheer strength or magical capacity, every battle is different from each other and sometimes Grey is more useful than say Mira, as with the Urtear battle, no other mage would have won against her arc of time.

Anyway, regarding this chapter it's quite interesting how the general opinion is on Grey, in my opinion he might not be stronger than Mirajane but he's more useful, no one knows what the fifth day will bring.

Still, it makes not a shred of sense that grey was picked. The whole thing about circumstantial things is that they are either plot induced or/and completely unpredictable. Is there anything in particular that would suggest grey would have any sort of advantage in his upcoming battle? of course not. Based on what we have seen up to now at least, how would grey be more useful than mira? Grey has his make magic which is indeed versatile but mira has shown to be able to do anything anyways. She has several transformations, the latest of which seems capable of controlling fire or something, she has been able to control water, she has what seems to be a kamehameha and to boot she is able to fly. Heck, she was even able to easily overpower fried, someone who is supposed to be pretty strong. Its not that grey is weak for that matter, its just that there is no plot rational justification -so far at least- to pick him over mira. It'd be like gildarts being available but they send natsu or gajeel instead.

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Now, the part I found interesting is that the dragon king's festival is where humans, demons and dragons met. We have never actually seen a demon except for the ones zeref has made. What if the demons are behind that door? What if what the opening of the door allows for demons to come to this world? What if the demons are as powerful as dragons? What if the demons are the so called gods who the god slayers imitate.

What I find rather strange though is that this is a king's festival and yet there are no demons or dragons for that matter. I wonder if the original king's festival was merely an spectacle put together by humans so as to entertain dragons. I mean, it makes no sense for humans to fight dragons after all. That said, we are 3 days away from seeing dragons again perhaps. I think metallicana is going to appear, it is the only named dragon that has not made some sort of appearance yet.

Also, I got the feeling that the thing arcadios was talking about and rushing has something to do with lucy's mom. She got involved in something, arcadios rushed it and she ended up killed. If this involved the dragon king's festival then perhaps layla was actually directly involved with the disappearance of the dragons. Of course then this would suggest that behind the door will be the dragons for some reason?

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 01:25 PM
Arcadios is definitely going to kidnap Lucy again, but I don't think it will happen, while she's still in the infirmary.

As, for the matter of the Eclipse Gate, any mention of it's opening is spoken in a negative tone, not to mention the gates name doesn't have a positive meaning, since if I'm not mistaken, one of the meanings of the word "Eclipse" is to darken something.

Not to mention the Dragon King Festival is a banquet, of "humans", "dragons" and "demons", and the last part, most likely means something as well, and might be the reason why the "dragons" have disappeared.

So, I believe that it's possible that this arc is going to turn Lucy into another Apocalypse Maiden, like Elie, from Mashima's previous work "Rave Master" - but,the question is, what kind of power she is going to have.

Judging from the participants of the Dragon King festival, which most likely has some connection with the Eclipse Gate, and the fact that Layla has disappeared seven years ago, it will probably be a power that has some relation with dragons, but since "demons" also have been appearing, during that festival, the power that Lucy, is most likely going to obtain, during this whole Eclipse Gate incident, will probably be a little "dark" in nature, in order words, it will most likely, be some kind of forbidden magic that, most likely, has some connection with Zeref.

At least that's what I currently think, but I have no idea, what that power might be.

dragons4life
July 20, 2012, 01:31 PM
why, on the first page, is fairy tail A & B saberfairy tail A & B?

also does anyone else think that gajeel looks like Let (Rave Master)?

+the eclipse plan is probably named after the Ecliptic zodiacs

zerocooldx
July 20, 2012, 01:41 PM
From the look of things it seems that we are going to see Ichiya and hopefully the Rabbit guy in action next chapter. And hopefully we will find out who that guy inside the suit is, he is the only remaining unknown character in the entire event. Thats gotta mean something.

Shadow Limiter
July 20, 2012, 01:48 PM
Well, if Guildartz was there, it would truly be the strongest team. But this is so awesome

It wouldn't have been an the strongest team. It would have been an Over Kill Team. I mean presently the ones who are taking part in the games, only Jura would have been able to counter him to a certain extent.

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why, on the first page, is fairy tail A & B saberfairy tail A & B?

Its the fault of the scanlation team. If it is the same group, they also have done mistakes in the past like in ch 287 they stated that Fairy Tail B was the one which got disqualified.
http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/FairyTail287/283350-15.html

Kauia
July 20, 2012, 02:06 PM
I just love the expression on Erza's face as she warned Sabertooth.

Happy that Lucy got eight points. It makes you wonder if Mashima put the five minute rule t keep us wondering if Lucy got 8 points or 0 points. Fairy tail a and b joining was a given prediction but the timing doesn't make sense. It would have been much realistic if it was Makarov himself had ordered the guild that they'd be withdrawing the other tea to form one new team. If FT wasn't the extra team, how do you think the administration would have solved this?

I've been wondering about the dragon feast since Grandeen mentioned it ages ago. I didn't expect it would be this. Dragons, humans and demons. Just to who does the demon part pertain to? There's also Master Zeref is waiting.

If Zeref would be to summoned, will he be the same softhearted Zeref or will he be different? After all, this is a different era, a different time. If his personality were to change, it would be also caused by what will led to him making an appearance. If the eclipse plan were to come, I think it will only be momentary that the dragons appear. I do expect that there will be a show-down or a face-off between Natsu and Zeref.

If the dragonslayers have been raised in the world where dragons reside, then where did the dragons go? With them left there, wouldn't all of them be aware if they left for the human world? Plus, there was also when Wendy met edo-jellal who came to earthland. That happened after Grandeen disappeaed and it was said that Wendy was traveling recently at that time.

The fact that the dragonslayers are older than they look still doesn't make sense. Someone mentioned months ago that Mashima said Natsu wasn't that old or something. Plus, counting the years as Natsu grew at the guild was very human. If he was that old, he would have aged slower and there was implication during the last arc that Natsu and Zeref knew each other. I'd believe it more if someone said, Natsu was reborn as a human being.

I think the arc will add some information about dragons, Zeref and Lucy's mom, Lucy or may be about celestial magic. The importance of Lucy being kidnapped is there. How come Yukino wasn't mentioned? Do you think Yukino is serving Alkadeos since he doesn't seem to be thinking of her at all.

If Ichiya is facing Quatro puppy. Who do you think is the person his parfum will be dedicated? It's usually a woman unless Quatro puppy plans to bring out a woman to use.

I'm really excited about the fights between SB and FT. Each opponent had built a good tension to make it exciting.

Giga_Gaia
July 20, 2012, 02:13 PM
Fairy tail vs Sabertooth. It's obviously gonna be Natsu and Gajeel vs Sting and Rogue. Natsu and Gajeel will mop the floor with those two and sabertooth will wake up from their stupid little dream and realize that they're just a bunch of weaklings.

Minerva only won because she stole Lucy's keys. Cheating and deceit seem to be how they got number 1. Just like how she kidnapped happy to stop natsu. Obviously, he could easily have defeated sabertooth by himself. He was beating the crap out of the fat old man they call a master and he wasn't even serious.

REN KOUEN
July 20, 2012, 02:20 PM
either way once again i cannot WAIT until next weeks chapter, mashima is becomming the king of the cliffhanger or the sultan of suspense (lol) and it is no mystery why FT is moving up in the manga world

just going to the site i go to www.mangahere.com


FT is now the #2 manga on that site their rankings are

Naruto #1
FT #2
Bleach #3
Beezlebub #4
One Piece #5

FT is going to be the #1 manga in the world when naruto and bleach end, watch what i say, i am liking this manga more and more!!!

Kuza
July 20, 2012, 02:26 PM
Gildarts is too imbalanced character so forget him for a while. Why Gray and not Mira? I dunno, i'd pick Wendy instead of Gray in case of 5v5 battle.
The tag battle could be Natsu+Gajeel vs Sting+Rogue, but i have a feeling that Mashima keeps this battle for last, so it's possible that it would be Erza+Laxus vs Minerva+Ogra. Btw anybody knows if teams are to picks participants for tag battle or the choice is made by people/king/whoever?

Now when i see scores 44 and 35 i can imagine that FT will win tag battle and it will be a draw on last day so the scores would be 49/50 for FT and butthead Sting would remember this http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/276/13 :derp



FT is now the #2 manga on that site their rankings are

Naruto #1
FT #2
Bleach #3
Beezlebub #4
One Piece #5

FT is going to be the #1 manga in the world when naruto and bleach end, watch what i say, i am liking this manga more and more!!!

Sry for offtop but i heard that most popular (most saled) manga is One Piece and i'm quite agree with that, but Fairy tail is my favourite anyways :^_^

Impossibility
July 20, 2012, 02:27 PM
So, the joining of the teams was somewhat expected as a solution to the numbers dilemma for the games. But, assigning the lower team point total to the combined forces was robbery. There was no justification for that. The average of the two scores would've been far more palatable. As for the composition of the team, it was predictable. There was an obvious symmetry that was se tup. Vendettas and styles determined the team members. It wasn't power or strength. Regardless of what anyone says, Mirajane is one of FT's strongest mages. Without pure plot power-ups, she would easily outrank Grey, Natsu, and Gajeel. She is just monstrous. Everyone knows it. Her combat style, and abilities, make for the most entertaining of fights. How can anyone forget her fight against Fried? I've no idea why she's always pushed to the bench.

As for the Eclipse Plan, I'm becoming more interested. Although, something or someone respectable is going to have to emerge to back this plan. I'm not sold on Arcadios as a villain, he is wholly incompetent. The potential interaction between humans, dragons, and demons is exciting. I think that this arc may reveal some of the mysteries of the dragons, and their disappearance, and possibly offer up some demon lore. It seems as though the different threads of the manga are beginning to converge. But before any of that, it seems as though Fairy Tail is going to get their chance to stomp Sabertooth. This should be good.

Krono
July 20, 2012, 02:29 PM
either way once again i cannot WAIT until next weeks chapter, mashima is becomming the king of the cliffhanger or the sultan of suspense (lol) and it is no mystery why FT is moving up in the manga world

just going to the site i go to www.mangahere.com


FT is now the #2 manga on that site their rankings are

Naruto #1
FT #2
Bleach #3
Beezlebub #4
One Piece #5

FT is going to be the #1 manga in the world when naruto and bleach end, watch what i say, i am liking this manga more and more!!!

That's not a great metric to use to determine popularity. Online reader sites like Mangahere are a dime a dozen, and most of them have their own rankings. Jump's series also tend to suffer in these rankings, as Shuiesha's more proactive than Kodansha about pressuring these sites, and has gotten a number of them to remove or restrict some regions access to stuff like One Piece, Bleach, Naruto, etc. So while it's nice to see, it's not exactly something worth boasting about.

TitaniumOxide
July 20, 2012, 02:32 PM
First I want to say... Epic. As. Hell. I remember once upon a time someone told me this manga sucked because Fairy Tail always wins. Well the story is so damn good (with great fanboy services too), who cares. This is probably one of the top chapters yet with its suspense and pissed-off-ness. However I still think the Gildarts vs Bluenote battle still outmatch all of the Magic Game battles thus far I think the rest of this arc is going to be fantastic on the level of One Piece.


Still, it makes not a shred of sense that grey was picked. The whole thing about circumstantial things is that they are either plot induced or/and completely unpredictable. Is there anything in particular that would suggest grey would have any sort of advantage in his upcoming battle? of course not. Based on what we have seen up to now at least, how would grey be more useful than mira? Grey has his make magic which is indeed versatile but mira has shown to be able to do anything anyways. She has several transformations, the latest of which seems capable of controlling fire or something, she has been able to control water, she has what seems to be a kamehameha and to boot she is able to fly. Heck, she was even able to easily overpower fried, someone who is supposed to be pretty strong. Its not that grey is weak for that matter, its just that there is no plot rational justification -so far at least- to pick him over mira. It'd be like gildarts being available but they send natsu or gajeel instead.

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Now, the part I found interesting is that the dragon king's festival is where humans, demons and dragons met. We have never actually seen a demon except for the ones zeref has made. What if the demons are behind that door? What if what the opening of the door allows for demons to come to this world? What if the demons are as powerful as dragons? What if the demons are the so called gods who the god slayers imitate.

What I find rather strange though is that this is a king's festival and yet there are no demons or dragons for that matter. I wonder if the original king's festival was merely an spectacle put together by humans so as to entertain dragons. I mean, it makes no sense for humans to fight dragons after all. That said, we are 3 days away from seeing dragons again perhaps. I think metallicana is going to appear, it is the only named dragon that has not made some sort of appearance yet.

Also, I got the feeling that the thing arcadios was talking about and rushing has something to do with lucy's mom. She got involved in something, arcadios rushed it and she ended up killed. If this involved the dragon king's festival then perhaps layla was actually directly involved with the disappearance of the dragons. Of course then this would suggest that behind the door will be the dragons for some reason?

I was wondering the same thing. I was thinking why didn't they let Fried go actually. While some people may be strong and maybe Grey might be stronger than Fried, he can be great with support because he is so versatile. All he has to do is make a trap with the conditions anyone with their guild marks located here, here, and here will be in traumatizing pain. Brute force won't win everything. I guess if Mashima did that then Fairy Tail would be overpowered.

Like people have already mentioned, the looks on the FT mages are pretty epic. ST is going to get one asswooping that they will not forget for a very long time but actually if there is one person whom I think doesn't deserve the asswooping as much as the rest of his team is Rogue. Even when he told Natsu how he killed his dragon parent he didn't smile as shown here http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/265/19. Nor did he say it like he was proud, it was more like I did it because I need to test my power. Sting smiled on the other hand. That guy relishes in being a doucebag but Rogue is more mysterious and probably the only character I don't have any grudges against in Sabertooth along with the brainless exceed in the super mario bros 3 frog costume.

ScottH87
July 20, 2012, 03:04 PM
Great chapter! Seriously brilliant. Even if it did basically say it will be 3 weeks before we see the epic smackdown between FT and ST.

I'm not sure on how the fights will play out. There are only 2 events left and ST have a 9 point lead, with the next 3 teams being on equal points. Not sure how the results will will fall to keep suspence and still keep FT in with a fighting chance.

To weigh in on the whole dragon realm debate, it makes perfect sense and it explains so much. We've already seen how time flows more slowly in the celetial realm
(http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/262/20), so theoretically it could be the same for the dragon realm. We also know the dragons still exist somewhere (http://www.mangapanda.com/135-7216-12/fairy-tail/chapter-101.html) so IF someone entered the dragon realm for what seemed like a few years to them, decades or centuries could pass making them alot older and accounting for this (http://www.mangapanda.com/135-7223-14/fairy-tail/chapter-108.html). I don't think they're memories were wiped though, Natsu clearly remembers Igneel fondly so its more likely he didnt know where he was or when he was returned to Earthland. Hopefully the gate is to the dragon world, but also I hope its not open for long. I really don't want dragons flying about willy nilly and I don't think Natsu is ready to meet Igneel again yet. As long as he knows how to eventually get to Igneel, I'll be happy.

Finale
July 20, 2012, 03:52 PM
I understand why Gray was chosen but personally feel that Mirajane or even Fried are more powerful. Rather than forcefully merge the teams the people in charge of the tournament should've just dump Quatro Cerebus, offer them a nice parting gift, since they've been pretty lousy in the games and don't seem to elicit that much excitement. Also i feel that the demons are plotting something. We saw that thing that left Obra that I bekieve is a demon. They are going to do something to screw up the ceremony that will enable them to enter the world enmass.

1337 haxor
July 20, 2012, 03:53 PM
I know that FT's reserve member is Mirajane but since this is a two person battle they might allow a second reservist to join if the fighter get wounded too badly.

In my opinion Natsu and Gajeel will win this battle with Sting being expelled of ST and Rogue quitting on his own accordance, however, Natsu and Gajeel will be too damn wounded to take part in the 5th day so that FT is forced to call upon Mirajane and Mystogan (Jellal) for the battle royale.

The last day will have Erza fighting Minerva but Mirajane will take over that fight because Kagura will unmask Jellal and try to kill him.

digit03
July 20, 2012, 04:18 PM
i dont want to continue the whine about mirajane but shes being seriously underused. her match was a swimsuit competition that just happened to end as an easy battle for her. she is still one of the s-class mages of fairy tail.(the only one around not in that team) id be pissed if shes not of further use this arc.(which seems most likely)
and to have her say that was the strongest team of FT without her seems a bit self condescending on her part

frozen18ice
July 20, 2012, 04:36 PM
wow i have to agree certain rules need to happen in the story to feel closure for most characters.
1. natsu and gajeel have to fight sting and rouge in tag battle
2. erza vs menerbaba have to face off
3. gray and the hat guy need to fight
4. orga and laxus need to face off also
5. kagura needs to fight erza or mystogan
6. erza face her little sister for answers to why
7. lucy kidnapping and makino possibly dying in place of lucy
8. possible demon gate opens /dragon involvement
9. destruction of the castle
10. zeref presence in the are might not have involvement with archoios could just be your garden variety psychopath wanting to bring power like hades with out understanding anything.
11. possible igneel, grandine, metalicana action
12. lucy's importance possible connection with her mothers death
13. magic council face off with crime source/ face off with demons/mermaids
14. celestial spirits saving lucy/ her getting yukinos keys after her possible sacrifice to save lucy leading for her crying in charlies prenonition
15. aside from the fact that we will see lots of juvia fonning over gray getting naked and leons affection.
16. development with lucy
17. mavis cute impression when something big happens
18. bah bah bah this chapter so far is the biggest arch and have so much possible destination not to mention we still have 3 more days of the competition aside from the events of the fourth days battle, one way or another some of the possible issues will be met.
the fight with jellal and kagura might not be in the tournament for obvious reasons if they fight in the tournament fairy tale will be disqualified due to the fact that jellal is a wanted man and he is not supposed to be in fairy tale so to those saying jellal should be in the team your shooting yourself in the mouth Yamagi all ready warn jellal to buzz off so the kaguraVSjellal action will be out side the ring
19. mira jeen possible back up player if one is too injured but i think mirajeen do not like using her powers because of the uncontrollable damage it brings like the one she used in the anime that worst than satan soul that destroys a whole city when she use it according to elf man.

abc1233
July 20, 2012, 04:40 PM
Great chapter! Seriously brilliant. Even if it did basically say it will be 3 weeks before we see the epic smackdown between FT and ST.

I'm not sure on how the fights will play out. There are only 2 events left and ST have a 9 point lead, with the next 3 teams being on equal points. Not sure how the results will will fall to keep suspence and still keep FT in with a fighting chance.

To weigh in on the whole dragon realm debate, it makes perfect sense and it explains so much. We've already seen how time flows more slowly in the celetial realm
(http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/262/20), so theoretically it could be the same for the dragon realm. We also know the dragons still exist somewhere (http://www.mangapanda.com/135-7216-12/fairy-tail/chapter-101.html) so IF someone entered the dragon realm for what seemed like a few years to them, decades or centuries could pass making them alot older and accounting for this (http://www.mangapanda.com/135-7223-14/fairy-tail/chapter-108.html). I don't think they're memories were wiped though, Natsu clearly remembers Igneel fondly so its more likely he didnt know where he was or when he was returned to Earthland. Hopefully the gate is to the dragon world, but also I hope its not open for long. I really don't want dragons flying about willy nilly and I don't think Natsu is ready to meet Igneel again yet. As long as he knows how to eventually get to Igneel, I'll be happy.
That theory makes a lot of sense and wouldn't be surprised if it was spot on. Still doesn't explain how Natsu previously met Zeref/Wendy without remembering anything though

BlackHair
July 20, 2012, 05:01 PM
This was certainly a good flashy chapter. Seeing Lucy like that, I would have liked to see more reaction panels of the guild members, especially that of Mak and Mavis, since I missed them last week. But you can't have everything xD

Putting Grey into the team was circumstanced, I understand that. But it just simply annoying. He doesn't deserve the "strongest" team position, when Mira is around.

As to the fights, I'm only interested in Genma and Orga. Orga will fight Laxus, so that is one battle I'm looking forward to. The rest is pretty much of no interest to me. Though I wonder if Genma will fight in this arc.

Anyway, the most important and crucial part is obviously the cliffhanger. The drawings seems to portray a human with Natsu's scarf and Igneel. I believe Mashima brought Mavis for a reasons after all. She must have some connection to Zeref and the Dragons. Not saying she is the one on the picture, but certainly she has some connection.


[...] FT is going to be the #1 manga in the world when naruto and bleach end, watch what i say, i am liking this manga more and more!!!Nonsense. I don't know anything about the world (and I'm sure neither do u), but in Japan (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-06-01/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series/2012-first-half) things are quite different. In the end sales and popularity outside Japan does not matter, it comes down to domestic numbers.

kkck
July 20, 2012, 05:17 PM
I was wondering the same thing. I was thinking why didn't they let Fried go actually. While some people may be strong and maybe Grey might be stronger than Fried, he can be great with support because he is so versatile. All he has to do is make a trap with the conditions anyone with their guild marks located here, here, and here will be in traumatizing pain. Brute force won't win everything. I guess if Mashima did that then Fairy Tail would be overpowered.

Like people have already mentioned, the looks on the FT mages are pretty epic. ST is going to get one asswooping that they will not forget for a very long time but actually if there is one person whom I think doesn't deserve the asswooping as much as the rest of his team is Rogue. Even when he told Natsu how he killed his dragon parent he didn't smile as shown here http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/265/19. Nor did he say it like he was proud, it was more like I did it because I need to test my power. Sting smiled on the other hand. That guy relishes in being a doucebag but Rogue is more mysterious and probably the only character I don't have any grudges against in Sabertooth along with the brainless exceed in the super mario bros 3 frog costume.

Well, the issue with fried's magic is that it requires some time for the more complicated traps. I don't think he would have been a better choice than grey overall.

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I have been wondering about memory make.... How can this be a make magic? The whole thing about make magic is that you give shape to stuff according to yourself. Memorized spells already have a specific form to say the least, this guy is not actually free to do whatever he wants. Shouldn't he have some degree of freedom with his magic if it is supposed to be something similar to what grey does? Another thing, isn't this magic in principle the same as mimicry?

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This was certainly a good flashy chapter. Seeing Lucy like that, I would have liked to see more reaction panels of the guild members, especially that of Mak and Mavis, since I missed them last week. But you can't have everything xD

Putting Grey into the team was circumstanced, I understand that. But it just simply annoying. He doesn't deserve the "strongest" team position, when Mira is around.

As to the fights, I'm only interested in Genma and Orga. Orga will fight Laxus, so that is one battle I'm looking forward to. The rest is pretty much of no interest to me. Though I wonder if Genma will fight in this arc.

Anyway, the most important and crucial part is obviously the cliffhanger. The drawings seems to portray a human with Natsu's scarf and Igneel. I believe Mashima brought Mavis for a reasons after all. She must have some connection to Zeref and the Dragons. Not saying she is the one on the picture, but certainly she has some connection.

Nonsense. I don't know anything about the world (and I'm sure neither do u), but in Japan (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-06-01/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series/2012-first-half) things are quite different. In the end sales and popularity outside Japan does not matter, it comes down to domestic numbers.

I would have loved to see makarov pissed off. I was actually kinda expecting him to just do something and potentially do something which might start a fight with enma. Kinda like he screams "THE FUCK ARE YOU TORTURING MY CHILD FOR" at minerva and then enma gets in the way.... At which point makarov and enma would look like they are going to start a fight but they are stopped. Of course makarov would have had regular people size at this point. At least that is how I pictured this while thing.

I do wonder how strong orga is. He seemed to be a decent bit weaker than jura who according to makarov would be a match to gildarts. I kinda always thought laxus would actually be close to the level gildarts is supposed to have however if orga is actually similar to laxus then it would imply a huge difference between them two of them. I guess laxus could be stronger but the god slayer factor would even things out as orga could just keep eating thunder.

Anyone else hoping that laxus just Fairy laws orga's ass?

sarutobi_sensei
July 20, 2012, 05:35 PM
Well, the problem could be that Orga, being a supposed God Slayer might be immune to Fairy Law. Don't ask me how, but he could be.

Still, I don't want Laxus to use it now. Save it for later. I guess that he has learned his lesson on how or when to use Fairy Law.

Ero-Sanji
July 20, 2012, 05:54 PM
Grey is the Shino/Neji of FT, extremely underestimated, hope he'll get some acknowledgement in the coming chapters :hee

I read an early post were someone mentioned that the third generation of DSs have two elements? Where was such a thing stated in the manga? I mean the lachryma could have just been of amplifying character, also what's up with the fact that Rouge said that their Dragon(singular) was killed and not dragons? I really want to see the ST vs FT tag battle right now, even though Ichiya and the rabbit are fighting it's not that interesting compared to the DSs.

sarutobi_sensei
July 20, 2012, 05:58 PM
Well I think it's because Sting said that Rogue idolized Gajeel and trained under him and we see Sting eating the steel arrow only to then hear their names as the black and white Dragon Slayers or something like that.

noobkiller
July 20, 2012, 06:19 PM
Well, now that Jellal is out of the picture, Kagura doesn't have anyone to kill in the tournament. Erza will probably fight Kagura, but it won't be climatic without Jellal and a love triangle involved. I think Minerva has some mysterious power like a lost magic or something, she seems too much like an evil person who wants to inflict as much pain and suffering on someone as possible. I also got a bad feeling Acnologia is going to appear soon in this so called dragon festival with all these dragon slayers fighting about, it could get interesting.

1337 haxor
July 20, 2012, 06:25 PM
I don't think Laxus is going to use Fairy Law, that magic is to dangerous to use given how many people are on the area.

The magic requires the user to identify the hearts of those around him as friend or foe, if Laxus uses Fairy Law there is no guarantee he wouldn't fry the audience or even other guilds who aren't great friends of FT.

Personally, I fell that Laxus should defeat Orga with just plain old badassery. Just a brawl and maybe a few new spell would be epic enough.

I know that people might complain that Cana used Fairy Glitter to nuke a pole but she is nowhere near Laxus and that spell more of a concentrated laser than a nuclear shower as Fairy Law is.

sarutobi_sensei
July 20, 2012, 06:41 PM
Well, now that Jellal is out of the picture, Kagura doesn't have anyone to kill in the tournament. Erza will probably fight Kagura, but it won't be climatic without Jellal and a love triangle involved. I think Minerva has some mysterious power like a lost magic or something, she seems too much like an evil person who wants to inflict as much pain and suffering on someone as possible. I also got a bad feeling Acnologia is going to appear soon in this so called dragon festival with all these dragon slayers fighting about, it could get interesting.

Well, now that I'm thinking of it, it would be interesting to have Minerva fight Ur Tear. Their magic is somewhat related, not in what it does, but their effects. Ur Tear's magic can make things get old and new and Minerva's magic makes things disappear and re-appear. Though thinking about it the kill should go to FT and not someone else. (i'd like Crime Sorciére to become a part of FT after this whole incident)

Erza fighting Kagura would be interesting, but I don't think it's for now. Maybe on the all vs all fight that might happen. Maybe even better, Kagura, Erza and Minerva :D

The upcoming chapters are bound to be amazing.

I just wish Mashima would skip the other fights up to FT vs ST.

SerpentTailedAngel
July 20, 2012, 07:05 PM
So if the teams merged...
What happens to that reward for getting the most points?

Will the people from B team get it for having more points before the merge? Will A team get it for having the points that counted? Will it be based on who is the most useful from here on out? I was kind of hoping to see Erza win Jellal for the day and force him to admit that he made up that fiancee in front of everyone.

hoeru
July 20, 2012, 10:52 PM
As much as I can understand the disappointment on Mirajane not being part of Fairy Tail AB, I have to disagree on that she was a better choice than Gray. Mirajane has been established as powerful mage, sure - but she has always been only a cheering supporter. Or against Azuma, where she had to admit that she's not strong enough and wouldn't be able to hold on much longer. Her battle against Jenny also only was a rather short rushed attack, actually nothing. I want to win her a great battle, too - but not on the cost of either Elsa, Gray, Natsu, Luxus, nor Gajeel as they are the established powerhouses of Fairy Tail on S class level.


I also got a bad feeling Acnologia is going to appear soon in this so called dragon festival with all these dragon slayers fighting about, it could get interesting.

Well, the old painting really much foreshadows Acnologia's appearance. And I think that's what Charle actually saw...

LoS
July 20, 2012, 11:18 PM
Whoa, now look at what we have here. To me this was the first chapter in a long while that was simply great. Enjoyable chapter, some good elements.

Chris38
July 20, 2012, 11:35 PM
Well, the old painting really much foreshadows Acnologia's appearance. And I think that's what Charle actually saw...

Personally, I doubt that Mercurius'es destruction is caused by Acnologia - the reason, being the fact that Anologia was capable of destroying an entire island with a single attack, so I doubt he would only destroy a single building.

Not to mention that Acnologia's appearance would also, more or less mean the eradication of everyone who lives, or currently is in the Fiore Kingdom Capital, unless Mashima pulls out something, similar the Fairy Sphere, that will be capable of protecting everyone that is currently located in the Capital. Considering the fact that he has done something similar, not to so long ago, I think it's too early to expect another appearance of Acnologia.

Will see, but in my opinion, the person responsible for the destruction of Mercurius is going to be Lucy, since judging from what we saw in Carla's premonition that damage has a too little AoE to be something that a dragon did.

crimsonlink310
July 21, 2012, 12:13 AM
Speaking of teams. I'm glad Gajeel is in it since I really want to see Iron Dragon Force mode along with Natsu's Lighting Fire Dragon Force mode. As for Gray, freezing memories sounds very fun.

Freid
July 21, 2012, 12:19 AM
and to have her say that was the strongest team of FT without her seems a bit self condescending on her part

I remember her saying stuff like that at the start of the manga, like saying Natsu, Gray and Erza were the strongest mages in the guild. It's almost as if Mashima is trying to reduce her character back into that weak mage she seemed to be at the start, or he forgot that he had later made her one of the top 5 mages in the guild. Either way, I'm really disappointed that she's not in the newly merged team. I get the whole 'rawwr must defeat memory make guy for no apparent reason' justification for Gray being in the team, but I just don't like the fact that Mirajane is being sidelined. She's always being portrayed as a second rate Erza when she's probably every bit as powerful.

Newkerzy
July 21, 2012, 12:44 AM
*sigh* are we still on the Mira vs Gray debate?? look, while Mira is obviously stronger, Gray's powers are far more balanced and evens out the team's power. Say what you want, but I think Gray deserves it. And what's more, he's worked with most of them the most. Mira has never worked together that much with Natsu, Erza, or Gajeel.

You could say that Laxus is the same, but one guy doing the solo-ing is better than two people going solo on their own. If it's like that, there would be very little teamwork out of them, and there wouldn't be any balance within the team. Besides, Porlyuschka said there would be a team battle (from the looks of it) later on. If that's the case, then Gray in the team is a much better choice than Mira.

In other words, Gray wasn't chosen based on his power, but because he was the best choice and most compatible with the other members. To truly become "THE Strongest Team", all members must be compatible with each other and know each other well enough.

ashher
July 21, 2012, 02:19 AM
I'd think that mira, kana with fairy light, lucy and jelal/mystogan are all very powerful...in the same category as grey and gazeel, may be even natsu. ofc the problem is in fairy tail there is hardly a good well defined continuity in powers.

Razh
July 21, 2012, 03:24 AM
With all due respect for Mira, I want to see Gray in a real fight. He deserved his chance to shine, I think we can all agree on that. Not to mention I'm really interested to see what he can really do with ice now.

Not sure if Acnologia is going to appear. If it were only that mural, I wouldn't think so, since it clearly depicts a fire dragon. But, since Zeref was mentioned... Plus, I think the rest of the mages deserve to see who Fairy Tail lost a battle against.

dark angel KaRamo
July 21, 2012, 04:10 AM
This chapter had me excited when Erza said (you've made enemies of the worst possible guild to piss off), and that look that she gave them was so dark, can't wait to see Fairy tail and sabertooth go at it. And also, don't forget kagura, she was looking at erza too. On the other hand i kinda do believe that the dragons will show up at some point, but i thing it's to help in the defeat of Acnologia that dragon is just to damn strong. Also the new team rocks i also wanted to see Mira in a good fight but ah well, it's time to see what gray can really do now with a real fight with his improve magic, also gajeel's new attacks. Since natsu still has the lighting magic that laxus gave to him to beat Hades, (the second Master of Fairy tail) he's the lighting flame Dragon slayer now sound so awesome can't wait to see him bust it out on sting.

The next match to me is Blue Pegasus's ichiya vs someone from quatro puppy lol (Elfman you gave them a good name)

SlayerKisame
July 21, 2012, 04:25 AM
Although Mirajane is incredibly powerful, Gray has been foreshadowed to fight Rufus since the beginning of the arc so it is only logical that he would be in the new team. Also, Gray needs to redeem himself. He said he wouldn't forgive himself if he didn't. I would never say Gray is significantly weaker than Mirajane though, I think they are close in terms of power.

ScottH87
July 21, 2012, 04:42 AM
That theory makes a lot of sense and wouldn't be surprised if it was spot on. Still doesn't explain how Natsu previously met Zeref/Wendy without remembering anything though

Maybe he was too young to remember? Or maybe only specific memories were targeted? Or maybe he just straight up forgot. Theres also a chance that they've never properly met and we're only told about each other by the dragons. Like here Natsu thinks he remembers Wendy but isn't sure from where (http://www.mangapanda.com/135-7248-6/fairy-tail/chapter-133.html)

In any case i think we'll start getting some answers very soon

dark angel KaRamo
July 21, 2012, 04:43 AM
I remember her saying stuff like that at the start of the manga, like saying Natsu, Gray and Erza were the strongest mages in the guild. It's almost as if Mashima is trying to reduce her character back into that weak mage she seemed to be at the start, or he forgot that he had later made her one of the top 5 mages in the guild. Either way, I'm really disappointed that she's not in the newly merged team. I get the whole 'rawwr must defeat memory make guy for no apparent reason' justification for Gray being in the team, but I just don't like the fact that Mirajane is being sidelined. She's always being portrayed as a second rate Erza when she's probably every bit as powerful.

So true i don't like the way how there not making Mirajane shine, she have just as much power as erza maybe equal now since we didn't see how she trained to be apart of the magic games. There not making her out to be the demon they said she was, if she was in the team it still would be call the strongest team. Hiro needs to put Mira in some good fights to show here demonic power, even erza knows Mira strength even the master had to tell Mira not to use one of her Take over power cause it was too powerful the demon (Halphas) which it more powerful then Satan soul

yellowblue
July 21, 2012, 05:52 AM
Looks like we will going to have a battle royal or at least a 3 vs 3 and 2 vs 2 tag team. Too bad Mystogun and Gildarts are not on the final team, though the current team is already badass :) Gray needs to be there since an ice make made of blood can't be memorized or something to that effect. I'm pretty sure the team is based on the future match ups and not based on power levels alone.

Edelheld
July 21, 2012, 06:13 AM
1) On Mira-Grey issue: Mira is clearly not a fighter. And her strength is what she was not what she is. She had that power in the past and due to the shock her powers lost their consistency and she can't maintain them for long or she lost the ability to control her "mana" right. She had a mental block on using her ability being afraid that she also might lose control and hurt someone she loves, as her brother did. We had a glimpse of her past glory when she fought Fried but then she went berserk 'cos Fried threatened to kill her brother. She can't be like that all the time. She can't keep up same level of power for long even after Lisanna's return and no mere 3 months of training have power to cure such mental damage. She is clearly messed up in a head and needs a good psychiatrist to fix it. With Lisanna's return she will regain her strength with time but that time is not now.

2) I hope we will see Bacchus again. He is awesome and I hope he'll be around for a while. I also hope that next battle will be Ichiya's show time and he'll finally prove himself being the strongest Blue Pegasus' mage.

3) And I recall that "Battle Royal" were mentioned by Jenny when she commented on Day 1 but I dismissed it thinking it was translation mistake =(

Impossibility
July 21, 2012, 06:32 AM
Gray's fight against Rufus was foreshadowed, so his appearance on the team wasn't surprising. And honestly, I'd like to see what he's capable of with his new power. Obviously, the team was predetermined by the potential match-ups. The problem, at least for me, is that Mirajane is constantly sidelined, and seems to get very little respect for her power. We know why these specific team members were chosen, so why the awe at FT's supposed 'Strongest Team'. We know that Mirajane could destroy half of the team. I don't have a problem with the composition of the team, I've a problem with Mirajane's misuse and abuse. Mirajane is basically a nuclear weapon used as a paperweight. It is seriously ridiculous.

Buggy
July 21, 2012, 07:50 AM
It looks like the last day will be either battle royale or 5v5 where they all separate into individual matches. That's the only way we can see all these matches - Gray v Rufus, Laxus v Orga, Erza v Minerva, since the tag battle will almost certainly be Natsu/Gajeel v Sting/Rogue.

I'm much more interested in tournament than Eclipse sub-plot and didn't really like it being introduced; however, I might say that it was done incredibly well, and didn't interfere with the tournament that much. Also, it looks like Arcadius wants to put his plans on hold until the end of the tournament which is great.

It is possible that the tournament will finish as intended, and then Arcadius puts his plan into motion leading into whole new arc with dragons, Zeref and all. That would be fantastic storytelling if you ask me.

exacta
July 21, 2012, 08:26 AM
Having the two FT teams makes sense, and it is a good team, but this means that Mirajane gets cheated out of an epic fight in this tournament, and thats really not cool. It's probably too dangerous for Jellal to participate anymore, and Mashima thinks of Juvia as a joke character, but Mirajane should've been able to do something awesome in this tournament. Very disappointing. The whole thing with the Dragon King Feast is really cool though, nice to see that connection.

THM Nindo
July 21, 2012, 08:27 AM
FT is now the #2 manga on that site their rankings are

Naruto #1
FT #2
Bleach #3
Beezlebub #4
One Piece #5

FT is going to be the #1 manga in the world when naruto and bleach end, watch what i say, i am liking this manga more and more!!!

I agree.
FT is better than many manga, especially Bleach (Great Art, but the story...).

Although, it might still be hard to definitely beat the Top 3...
And I'm sorry to say, but I think that Fairy Tail will most likely end before One Piece.

Naruto has another 2 year at least according to Kishimoto.
Bleach is in his last arc according to Kubo

So those two might end before Fairy Tail.

But, according to Oda, One Piece reached its middle point with the Fishman Island Arc, only a few months ago.
So, One Piece should still be good for 8-10 years, maybe.

Either way, Fairy Tail is great enough so that we can start talking about the Top 4 instead of the Top 3.
Really, it's not included in the Top 3, only because it's not in Shonen Jump.

Otherwise, I'm sure it would already be there with them.

Ero-Sanji
July 21, 2012, 08:50 AM
It looks like the last day will be either battle royale or 5v5 where they all separate into individual matches. That's the only way we can see all these matches - Gray v Rufus, Laxus v Orga, Erza v Minerva, since the tag battle will almost certainly be Natsu/Gajeel v Sting/Rogue.


Now, that I think about it, there is a great possibility that Natsu and Gajeel will lose their tag battle against Rouge and Sting only to beat them in the last event which was strongly hinted at being some sort of battle royal including every member of every team. I think that Rouge and Sting is a superior team than Natsu and Gajeel, but that individually they are better. However, this would mean that by the start of the fifth day ST will have a 20 point lead over FT, so unless every win in the last event result in 10 points, they won't lose in the tag battle.

Buggy
July 21, 2012, 09:01 AM
Having the two FT teams makes sense, and it is a good team, but this means that Mirajane gets cheated out of an epic fight in this tournament, and thats really not cool. It's probably too dangerous for Jellal to participate anymore, and Mashima thinks of Juvia as a joke character, but Mirajane should've been able to do something awesome in this tournament. Very disappointing. The whole thing with the Dragon King Feast is really cool though, nice to see that connection.

Mira is strong, no doubt about that, probably stronger than Gray at least. But have in mind that she was never the 'fighter', at least since Lisana's disappearance and her change from Demon Mira. Compare her to those five battle-lusting warmongers and she looks timid like a bunny. It takes very much for her to get "fired up" and go all-out in a fight and I think she didn't want to be a member of new team herself.


Now, that I think about it, there is a great possibility that Natsu and Gajeel will lose their tag battle against Rouge and Sting only to beat them in the last event which was strongly hinted at being some sort of battle royal including every member of every team. I think that Rouge and Sting is a superior team than Natsu and Gajeel, but that individually they are better. However, this would mean that by the start of the fifth day ST will have a 20 point lead over FT, so unless every win in the last event result in 10 points, they won't lose in the tag battle.

There is a fair possibility that the last battle will hold more points, maybe 50 or so. Organizers have shown that they do everything to keep the competition suspenseful and exciting, so making it that more teams can turn it around and we don't get the winner till the last day is very probable.

Chris38
July 21, 2012, 09:48 AM
Well, in my opinion, who wins the tournament, and all of the events related to the actual games don't matter that much - of course Fairy Tail becoming first, and gaining the funds to repair their old guild building, is probably important, in relation with the plot of the future arcs, but in my opinion, it pales in comparison with the effect that Arcadios'es Eclipse plan is going to have on the story.

After all, it should be pretty obvious that, on the seventh day, everything is going to become a mess, and we don't even know if the organizers will be able to give the reward to the winner of the competition, since they are also the perpetrators of the entire Eclipse plan.

If it was me, I would just like Mashima to hurry up with the tournament stuff, and finally reveal to us, what is this whole Eclipse plan about, which to me sounds a lot more interesting, then most of the tournament stuff, that we where forced to go through, so far.

After all, unless some pretty incredible twist is going to occur, which I don't think is going to happen, especially after the new Fairy Tail team has been introduced, it should be pretty obvious, who will win the tournament in the end.

Unfortunately I know, that it would be too good, if something like Mashima speeding up the whole tournament part of the current arc, actually happened., since it's a pretty good way of keeping up the suspense of the current arc.

I just really hope that Mashima won't mess up things, when the climax of the current arc is finally going to occur.

Uriel
July 21, 2012, 10:04 AM
My reaction the last three pages.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7011wmrZB1ryf7c1o4_250.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7h64qSITL1r3hyxno1_250.gif


...I liked the chapter.

-Ken-
July 21, 2012, 11:07 AM
So... In the last day, there won't be any game, but one 1 big battle, right?

If so, I predict;

Natsu+Gajeel vs Sting+Rouge= Draw.

And the result will be decided in tomorrow battle, with Fairy Tail crushing sabertooth entirely. And winning the tournament by 1 point. (45 to 44)

Newkerzy
July 21, 2012, 11:27 AM
Mira is strong, no doubt about that, probably stronger than Gray at least. But have in mind that she was never the 'fighter', at least since Lisana's disappearance and her change from Demon Mira. Compare her to those five battle-lusting warmongers and she looks timid like a bunny. It takes very much for her to get "fired up" and go all-out in a fight and I think she didn't want to be a member of new team herself.



Exactly. She's not someone you can easily anger. And even then, it's hard for her to really get serious. It really takes a lot for someone to really get her to use her full power. Mira is not a "fighter" at heart, and that's why she's not completely suited for a "revenge" battle.

Impossibility
July 21, 2012, 01:06 PM
Mira is strong, no doubt about that, probably stronger than Gray at least. But have in mind that she was never the 'fighter', at least since Lisana's disappearance and her change from Demon Mira. Compare her to those five battle-lusting warmongers and she looks timid like a bunny. It takes very much for her to get "fired up" and go all-out in a fight and I think she didn't want to be a member of new team herself.

That is no longer the case. During the S-Class Test, she fought against Elfman & Evergreen. Makarov decided to bring Mirajane & Erza along to completely wreck Twilight Ogre. In her battle against Jenny, she quite comfortably transformed, and defeated Jenny with ease. Mirajane is ready to go at any given moment. Add that to the fact that I'm sure she's probably as pissed off as most of the members of FT, I see absolutely nothing that would've stopped her from completely destroying any opponent ST threw against her. And even if she isn't as 'fired up' as some of the others, slightly annoyed Mirajane would be more threatening than some of the members of FT's 'Strongest Team'.

Uriel
July 21, 2012, 01:31 PM
Being the strongest "TEAM" implies that it works as A TEAM. It's not the same as being the strongest mages.

Just to clarify that, since I believe many posters are quite confused by this.

frozen18ice
July 21, 2012, 01:52 PM
i have to agree with uriel about the whole stronger mages might not form the strongest team because of the dynamics of the fights that could possibly happen. one is certain when mirajeen fight the only other person that possibly could syn with her well would be erza being rivals for so long until the event that hindered her from fighting lisana incident. makov used mira and erza because they can bring the most destruction with limited assistance being them knowing each others fighting ways.

i also noticed when mirajeen fights it all or nothing there are several moments that it is counter productive to have her in a tag battle like how elfman always try to take lisana far away to prevent possible injuries to her or she cant use her full power when there are others around like how she was instructed to not use a transformation in a city and she can be gullible tactics like that will hurt the team like what if one of the enemy propose to lissana or elfman that would just turn mirajeen like juvia looking at a naked grey. the five menbers in the new team have less probability to just troll us but then again we could be so wrong in many possible incidents.
natsu and gajeel teamed up before and gray and erza have team up also and from the hades arch laxus shows that he can work well with others.
time and time again not to bash on mira she control over her demon soul or transformation is borderline over kill sounds great but not if your also killing your own party members in the process.

i have a feeling that mira will have her time to shine when we know more about demons it would be like what do you face a demon with an even greater demon. i wonder if lisana take over will even get better seem like she has the weakest type of take over from the other 2 she need stronger transformation like a combination of mira and elfman would be amazing

matzik1212
July 21, 2012, 02:48 PM
Whoa go Fairy Tail's strongest team :gar

I can't wait to see Sabertooth groveling on the ground :arf especially that biatch Minerva . I'm so excited to see this fight . It has a been a long time since i was this nervous and excited :wtf
From the looks of it this will take many chapters to conclude :nod
Also it was really touching to see the people cheering for FT :wtf . It should have been like that from the start :yelling

Edelheld
July 21, 2012, 03:01 PM
That is no longer the case. During the S-Class Test, she fought against Elfman & Evergreen. Makarov decided to bring Mirajane & Erza along to completely wreck Twilight Ogre. ...
She said herself that she can't keep up same power level for too long. In exam she fought her friends and had a right to goof around and to save some energy. Against Ogre and Jenny it was fast and didn't demanded much of her. While in fight against Azuma she proved herself unable to keep up with long time battle. Her enemy just needs to survive her starting burst and then it's a sure win

exacta
July 21, 2012, 04:54 PM
Mira is strong, no doubt about that, probably stronger than Gray at least. But have in mind that she was never the 'fighter', at least since Lisana's disappearance and her change from Demon Mira. Compare her to those five battle-lusting warmongers and she looks timid like a bunny. It takes very much for her to get "fired up" and go all-out in a fight and I think she didn't want to be a member of new team herself.


She was surprised when she heard the teams had to be combined and was the one who wanted to know why. Plus, she pretty much entered her demon form against Jenny without having anything there to piss her off. Even if I agreed with what you said, that'd just make me want it to happen more....a tournament should be a great excuse for Mira to have an awesome fight, let alone the fact that what ST just did should be more than enough to make her furious and go all-out. Instead, Mashima just used it as an excuse to make a chapter dedicated to fanservice using her.

zerocooldx
July 21, 2012, 04:57 PM
Mira isn't apart of the team for the most obvious reason, her character isn't as invested into the manga as any of the members that are apart of that team. Those five plus Lucy and Wendy are characters that have been greatly invested into the plot of the manga. Mira can be as strong as anyone, but her character development has been pretty shallow when compared to the aforementioned characters. Fights are built up based off of the personalities of the characters involved and the extent of their involvement in the plot. Mira is and has been a side character in every sense of the word. There is nothing wrong with that, but unlike the others she hasn't had anything plot related revolve specifically around her. That is what separates her from the rest and thats why she isn't going to be with the "main" group of FT characters in any significant plot event where individual characteristics and personal stories are up on display.

frozen18ice
July 21, 2012, 05:06 PM
lets be honest why people want mira in the new team if you have mira on the team there is a high chance for fan service which you dogs are waiting for lol,
the last fan service was not enough to console the drooling masses, lol
it would be funny if the guys of fairy tale did a fan service lol, people might choke like the chapter where they got found out by erza in the baths

exacta
July 21, 2012, 05:25 PM
lets be honest why people want mira in the new team if you have mira on the team there is a high chance for fan service which you dogs are waiting for lol,
the last fan service was not enough to console the drooling masses, lol
it would be funny if the guys of fairy tale did a fan service lol, people might choke like the chapter where they got found out by erza in the baths

Hell no, not me sir. That chapter was the worst chapter of FT I've ever read hands down for me, though Laxus vs RT disappointed me alot too. I don't care about fanservice. I'm not a cartoon.....I drool over women that actually exist in our world, like Mila Kunis, Kim Kardashian, Scarlett Johansen, blah blah blah. Not over a drawing on a piece of paper. I would expect the author to make female characters look very attractive but Mashima is sooooooooo pervy. I wanted to see Mirajane go demon mode and utterly destroy a member of ST or RT. Mirajane has one of the most badass magic powers at her disposal. And she could totally mop the floor with Gray. She's at least equal with Erza, hard to say whose stronger actually. But that comparison itself speaks volumes. And she, Lisanna and Elfman all deserve more screentime from Mashima, especially Lisanna, the poor girl. What was the point of bringing her back when she and Natsu haven't even had one memorable conversation since?

frozen18ice
July 21, 2012, 06:05 PM
bait and catch, supposed to be a joke :)
we i do agree with you but sadly this arch might not be the time for them to shine if you noticed in the anime and the manga some development to them are shown little by little like how mira is not suppose to use her halpha transformation but not full arch's like erza arch and gray arch and lucy kidnapping arch, even happy have an arch but i think like a fine wine or a good mangaka need to use the best way to bring out good tensions and pretty much he decides how it pretty much comes down to it.

my prediction is that it would be when they fight raven tail again that mira and the other will be used mainly because she it always at the guild house like a mother hen to the nest she do not really go in mission as much as other guild members that could be a way for mashima to show case mira why have a S class mage be the bartender/waitress in the guild house.
guildarts do not even stay in the guild house as much as she does other than that weird looking guy that talk to animals that always looking for a job that only he can do but never takes a job but thats just an even side character. even side character can be all of a sudden important like levy we are still thinking why she was the one narrating all of a sudden or was it a scrip from the future or does she take on the role of the narrator after the 7 day incident.

going back to you other point what if they made a live action fairy tale with major actresses will you be mad if the director took all the fan service out and just have them wear bulky fat multi layer winter ugly grandmothers animal cut out sweaters with matching granny panties that are worn over multitude of layers of jogging pants and spandex mostly not gonna happen but picture kim kardashian or mila kunis or sarlet johnsen wearing the fallowing hehehehe

Impossibility
July 21, 2012, 06:53 PM
She said herself that she can't keep up same power level for too long. In exam she fought her friends and had a right to goof around and to save some energy. Against Ogre and Jenny it was fast and didn't demanded much of her. While in fight against Azuma she proved herself unable to keep up with long time battle. Her enemy just needs to survive her starting burst and then it's a sure win

The time limit on Mirajane was related to Lisanna's time limit, she used up most of her power quickly so as to defeat Azuma before the explosives timed out. She had fought Elfman & Evergreen prior to that battle. And Azuma was likely the most impressive of Grimoire Heart's Kin, he brought Erza to the brink after his battle against Mirajane. She exhausted her power by choice, in an attempt to save her sister. And you say that the enemy just needs to survive the starting burst. The 'starting burst' is going to last at the very least for a few minutes, and is going to be overwhelming power. Few individuals shown in the games would probably make it to the minute mark facing Mirajane at full power.

Honestly, with the available guild members, FT's strongest team would be three people. Laxus, Erza, & Mirajane would just wreck any team put forward. Without having any concerns about their teammates, they would just destroy anything and everything. They just operate on an entirely different level from the other members of FT. Of course, this would never happen, regardless of how much I dream of it. The manga has main characters, who are obviously expected to be the main focus. And Mirajane is a supporting character, and an overpowered cheerleader. I get these things. I accept them. I don't need Mirajane to be at the forefront of every battle, I just wish Mirajane would become less of a cheerleader. Her title is 'The Demon', own it.

dark angel KaRamo
July 22, 2012, 12:03 AM
When the Master said they were going to make the two team become one, we all new natsu and erza was going to be in it, The thing that we were wondering on was who else was going to be in the team as well. Since there was two Dragon Slayer on the sabertooth team Natsu and Gajeel was a sure win for the team. Now since the plan was if B team win A team has to do what the B team want's them to do and "vice versa", So juvia had no point to be in the new team now that the deal is off. as for erza come on she just had to be in the new team, and Mira doesn't like fighting like how she use to. As for laxus he's just a beast so he has the magic power to prove his worth to be in the new team. Now Gray has payback to do for the defeat he had on the 2nd day i think (tell me if i'm wrong on the day when gray had his time), and he's been in all the arc's so he was going to be in the new team too.

Newkerzy
July 22, 2012, 02:43 AM
Being the strongest "TEAM" implies that it works as A TEAM. It's not the same as being the strongest mages.

Just to clarify that, since I believe many posters are quite confused by this.

Exactly. That's pretty much what people seem to be misunderstanding here, and I explained it in one of my previous posts.

Edelheld
July 22, 2012, 03:11 AM
The time limit on Mirajane was related to Lisanna's time limit, she used up most of her power quickly so as to defeat Azuma before the explosives timed out. ...
And you say that the enemy just needs to survive the starting burst. The 'starting burst' is going to last at the very least for a few minutes, and is going to be overwhelming power. Few individuals shown in the games would probably make it to the minute mark facing Mirajane at full power.
... Her title is 'The Demon', own it.
She said it all by herself. Just reread chapter 220.
And if her enemy will make it through the first minutes of fight - it's a sure win for them. It's just a gamble. It's like betting on a soccer team which totally dominates for first 30 minutes and then just stops playing.
Her title <was> 'The Demon', chapter 220. You just need to understand that it's her glorious past, not her present. She is yet to regain what she has lost.

BlackHair
July 22, 2012, 06:01 AM
Being the strongest "TEAM" implies that it works as A TEAM. It's not the same as being the strongest mages.

Just to clarify that, since I believe many posters are quite confused by this.
Exactly. That's pretty much what people seem to be misunderstanding here, and I explained it in one of my previous posts.Actually it should be both. A team with outstanding teamwork, but with weak individual mages will most likely get bad results. While a team with strong mages might get better results, even if their teamwork is questionable. In the end only a team of strong mages and excellent teamwork will get the best results. So a team called the strongest should have both: the strongest mages and the best teamwork.

Grey has no real supportive magic or anything, which might help the group in a royal rumble. Therefore it doesn't rly make that much sense that he was chosen. It's not that Grey is a weak mage, but in that group of five he is most likely the weakest link. Going alone by hype, Mira should be stronger than Gazeele, Natsu and Grey (well if Natsu is plot-serious he is easily the strongest mage in the world, but that another discussion).

Anyway, all this debate is futile in the first palce. In the end Grey was only chosen, because he is a established character. Mashima never put any real effort in Mira or anyone else outside the usual group. I mean I still don't understand why Levy and Cana were considered to be a S-class mage.

ghostexiled
July 22, 2012, 06:24 AM
So the first match up could prove to be entertaining if Buccha(the martial artist that fought Elfman) is part of 5 chosen to fight Blue Pegasus.

Since it did show his face at the end with everyone staring at each other... so my guess is that he will be.

hoeru
July 22, 2012, 06:40 AM
Exactly. That's pretty much what people seem to be misunderstanding here, and I explained it in one of my previous posts.

But after Elsa, Gray and Natsu took down Lullaby in an instant - and Gajeel and Natsu took down Luxus - and what Elsa, Gray, Luxus and Natsu (with Wendy and Lucy) did against Hades... is there any doubt they wouldn't work as a very strong team? We've seen plenty of team attacks of them so far.

Impossibility
July 22, 2012, 08:12 AM
She said it all by herself. Just reread chapter 220.
And if her enemy will make it through the first minutes of fight - it's a sure win for them. It's just a gamble. It's like betting on a soccer team which totally dominates for first 30 minutes and then just stops playing.
Her title <was> 'The Demon', chapter 220. You just need to understand that it's her glorious past, not her present. She is yet to regain what she has lost.

The very chapter you point to has Mira stating that she thought she would be able to defeat Azuma within the time limit if she used the full extent of her power, she doesn't say that she has an unyielding time limit within her transformation. Any mage that uses their most powerful attacks, and battles at peak intensity, is going to run out pf power after a few minutes, especially if they had to take on two mages just minutes prior. And you reference her 'glorious past', but we know that she's immensely powerful in the present. Elfman & Evergreen had to rely on trickery to defeat her. She aided in the destruction of Twilight Ogre, I'm pretty sure that was 'The Demon' at work. She destroyed Jenny in a flash. These are things that she has done recently. And your football analogy is just terrible. Regardless of what occurs in the first 30 of a match, it continues for the full 90. Mirajane is more than capable of destroying almost any mage we've seen in a matter of seconds, there is no second half if you're unconscious, or dead. If football players were allowed to assault their opponents, your analogy may have been useful.

hoeru
July 22, 2012, 11:12 AM
You know, Impossibility... Mira has one major disadvantage here: She never fought together with nor against most of the ones of the mixed team. And teamplay doesn't come out-of-the-box as you have to know your team partners as to avoid friendly fire. And ... being the guild's bartender makes her being their best friend probably, but Mira doesn't actually know how they faught nor how they reacted in a fight. It's like a pushover of your local team fails big in the national selection.

Meanwhile Gray does know how to fight in a team, and none of the Strauss siblings was angry nor jealous that he was in the team instead of Mira. Therefore he's the better choice, even if Mira was stronger - which we can't say out of her victory over Jenny as she only scared the shit out of her without making her actually faint from being hit before Jenny was showing what she was able to do.

Ero-Sanji
July 22, 2012, 11:23 AM
Grey has no real supportive magic or anything, which might help the group in a royal rumble. Therefore it doesn't rly make that much sense that he was chosen. It's not that Grey is a weak mage, but in that group of five he is most likely the weakest link. Going alone by hype, Mira should be stronger than Gazeele, Natsu and Grey (well if Natsu is plot-serious he is easily the strongest mage in the world, but that another discussion).

Anyway, all this debate is futile in the first palce. In the end Grey was only chosen, because he is a established character. Mashima never put any real effort in Mira or anyone else outside the usual group. I mean I still don't understand why Levy and Cana were considered to be a S-class mage.

Supportive magic doesn't necessarily mean that you're the better team member, Wendy and probably Levy, are the best at that but she's still inferior to Grey in the perspective of a team battle. Next to Lucy no other character has made successful team based attacks than Grey. Just look back at every arc, Grey has always understood what to do instantly and he has the magic to back it up. Ice make is perhaps the most versatile magic there is, stepping stones, walls, diversions and traps of many kinds. On top of that Grey also strikes me as the smarter of the strongest, after Erza, finally Grey is the only defensive type member they have, the others are highly offensive which yet again brings an unbalance, bringing Mira in and that will add to the unbalance in my opinion. I do agree though, Grey is a given due to his involvement overall in the manga and due to the fact that he's destined to face Rufus.

Anyway, don't know if someone mentioned it but FT has 35 points while ST has 44, remember what Gajeel said?

Impossibility
July 22, 2012, 01:19 PM
You know, Impossibility... Mira has one major disadvantage here: She never fought together with nor against most of the ones of the mixed team. And teamplay doesn't come out-of-the-box as you have to know your team partners as to avoid friendly fire. And ... being the guild's bartender makes her being their best friend probably, but Mira doesn't actually know how they faught nor how they reacted in a fight. It's like a pushover of your local team fails big in the national selection.

Meanwhile Gray does know how to fight in a team, and none of the Strauss siblings was angry nor jealous that he was in the team instead of Mira. Therefore he's the better choice, even if Mira was stronger - which we can't say out of her victory over Jenny as she only scared the shit out of her without making her actually faint from being hit before Jenny was showing what she was able to do.

First thing, Gray isn't really the focus of my ire. Mirajane outclasses Gray, Natsu, and Gajeel. I could've just as easily done without Gajeel, as I could've without Gray. And as I've already said, Mirajane had zero chance of being on this team. Because of the earlier events of the tournament, the five members of the team were obvious. I don't have a problem with the composition of the team. I've a problem with the awe FT's members seem to have for the team, and Mira's constant cheerleading.

Now, I agree with most of your first paragraph. Except, we know that Mira is capable of working within the bounds of a team, and she would likely work exceedingly well in tandem with Erza. Her teamwork is unlikely to match that of Gray's, but should be comparable to Gajeel's. I just don't think that the increased level of teamwork, which I think has been overestimated by some, that the group is likely to be able to tap into is sufficient to make up for the difference in class between Mira and some of the members of the team.

And the reference to the battle against Jenny was simply to contradict the statements by others that suggested that somehow Mira wouldn't be up to taking part in the battle. In my mind, we have an excess of support for Mira's absolute superiority over three of the five members of the team. But as I've said, I take issue more with the reaction to the team, and Mira's attitude, than FT's 'Strongest Team' itself.

Edelheld
July 22, 2012, 03:25 PM
1) The very chapter you point to has Mira stating that she thought she would be able to defeat Azuma within the time limit if she used the full extent of her power, ...
2) And you reference her 'glorious past', but we know that she's immensely powerful in the present. Elfman & Evergreen had to rely on trickery to defeat her...
3) ... there is no second half if you're unconscious, or dead ...
1) Maybe I had problems with understanding her words on English but her words "It doesn't look like my magic power will support this for long" right in the beginning of the fight means that she can't keep up such magic for too long (and that proves what I said) or that she will use all her force to the full extent (and that shows that she can use 4 or 5 really strong attacks before she loses all mana and becomes incapable to fight which makes me questioning "is she really that strong?"). You choose.
2) That just shows that they are weak. Elfman, Ogre and Jenny, I mean.
3) The main part is "IF". With the really strong enemies will it be enough?

P.S. Of course a lot of people want her to have her show time. And I'm sure everyone thinks that Mira haven't got into the team because of the plot. But not only because of that.

longguilol1
July 22, 2012, 04:32 PM
The rationale behind Gray & Gajeel's selection is simple enough to discern. However, if Fairy Tail truly intended on assembling and sending out the the strongest team, then Mirajane's inclusion should have been a rather obvious choice. After all & for all intends and purposes, it is the most logical choice given the circumstances as it maximizes FT's chances of winning.

But yes, plot relevancy & character favoritism wins yet again. It's not as if this wasn't expected; BUT seeing it actually happen is all a different matter altogether, as it understandably did upset a certain subset of FT fans.

Ether
July 22, 2012, 04:39 PM
2) That just shows that they are weak. Elfman

P.S. Of course a lot of people want her to have her show time. And I'm sure everyone thinks that Mira haven't got into the team because of the plot. But not only because of that.

Well I have to disagree on the "Elfman's weak" part (yeah I know that it's not the main point of the message but I just can't let that go :P). Remember that he was able to defeat Bacchus, who's said to be on par with Erza (and I'm not sure that even Natsu could beat him)
And I personnally think that Mira's out of the team only because of the plot :
1) I think that even if what Mira said in chapter 220 does shows that she can't keep her magic up for so long ("This isn't a spell I can use over and over again"), I'd like to remind you that she was able to hold her ground against Azuma, who's (as someone pointed it out earlier) the most outstanding mage of the 7 kins of GH, and that she couldn't even use her full power. So I think that she can take on almost every mage in the country, except those who are in Makarov's or Hades' class (but who can? Apart from a plot-overcheated Natsu)
2) As for the team work part, as pointed out by Impossibility, she could work in a perfect tandem with Erza. And remember that Laxus' in the team too, and I don't think that he can fight with anybody with efficiency, except the Raijinshuu.

frozen18ice
July 22, 2012, 05:06 PM
many question if levy and cana was not s class quality i beg to differ levy is similar to freid to the script magic levy able to take out the script that fried made putting her in the same level of script work as such of fried. if levy have more confidence to her power i believe that the possibility of her being a s class mage can be greatly possible also we dont know anything about the book that she got from the spirit world would be added to the plot that is to unfold in the story levy will play some kind of s class level of script work or at least her version of S classablity. with cana it pretty obvious her potential is great being the daughter of gildarts and being able to handle fairy glitter could possibly be the keeper of the glitter for the guild if mavis grants it and it seems like she see the potential of cana to safe keep glitter possibly from raven tail because ivan seem interested to it along side the lumen etole.
many pieces of the puzzle in this whole even we do know for sure that there are several people part of it on the side lines that will come to the front line like levy,

llamapie
July 23, 2012, 02:13 AM
I don't see the issue with this team. Gray is fine on it. Yes perhaps Mira is stronger but lets remember that she basically stopped being an active mage years ago. Gray also beat Ultear and unlocked his 2nd wind, there is no reason he shouldn't be on this team.

Edelheld
July 23, 2012, 05:29 AM
Well I have to disagree on the "Elfman's weak" part ...
And I personnally think that Mira's out of the team only because of the plot :
1) I think that even if what Mira said in chapter 220 does shows that she can't keep her magic up for so long ...
2) As for the team work part, as pointed out by Impossibility, she could work in a perfect tandem with Erza. And remember that Laxus' in the team too, and I don't think that he can fight with anybody with efficiency, except the Raijinshuu.
I meant he is weak comparing to Mira. And he defeated Bacchus only because he got the right strategy and had enough durability. It's like in Simpsons when Homer became a boxer and thanks to his roly-poly ability exhausted his enemies and then delivered only one final blow =)
No one doubts that Mira is strong but she can't be that way for long(I thought everyone knew that and it's a common place). Yet she done nothing to Azuma even in her full strength. You overestimate her power too much. She knows her limits better that you do so she have no problems with not having a fight =)
Laxus is the efficiency embodied, he needs no help :^_^ And Grey is the only one having any defense magic to support others (Erza's(and Gajeel's sometimes) defense is in her armor and she can be only a living shield) and (unlike Fried) have a huge real (unlike Mira) team-up experience with the others in that team.

Ifrit
July 23, 2012, 06:59 AM
If we are to pick what 5 should represent Fairy Tail :

Gildartz / only if he had 1 on 1 with Jura that would be awesome fight.

Laxus

Erza

Mira

Natsu / Gajeel

I like Gray, but he doesn't have a place here, sorry. And what did Rufu exactly do to Gray to be this much angry....It was Raven Tail guy who trashed Gray in that competition not Rufu.

The only reason why Gray was put there is to give him the spot light he deserved, he is one of the main characters as some mentioned, so even that Mira is stronger IMO, Gray is an expected choice.

kkck
July 23, 2012, 10:08 AM
I don't see the issue with this team. Gray is fine on it. Yes perhaps Mira is stronger but lets remember that she basically stopped being an active mage years ago. Gray also beat Ultear and unlocked his 2nd wind, there is no reason he shouldn't be on this team.

I wouldn't say mira quit being a mage, at least that does not apply nowadays. I mean, she took part in the exams as an S-class mage to get in the way of the candidates and participated as a member of team B. Mira certainly is not in the same position she was in during the first part of the manga, she is an active and damn powerful mage.

Freid
July 23, 2012, 12:20 PM
Mira is obviously a lot more powerful than Gray. She's a mage comparable to the likes of Erza. Honestly, Gray stands no chance in a battle of strength and it would be ridiculous if Mashima really intends on making us believe that Gray is more powerful than her. In a team that is meant to consist of the five strongest mages available, Mira should have been a given. And let's be honest, Mashima can make a team player out of anyone. Once he sticks them in a team, he can make them perform team combos like it was a street fighter x tekken game. The only reason Mira's not there is pretty obvious: Gray needs redemption and he'll get that by beating rufus. In fact, I think it will be addressed in the next chapter, possibly that Mira may have actually chosen not to be in the team because of Gray wanting to fight rufus. In any case, while I don't believe Mira should have been benched here as she is comfortably one of the 3 strongest mages there, I also don't think it was a plot mistake.

Akagami.Shanks
July 23, 2012, 03:09 PM
Great chapter, The only disappointment is to see that Fairy Tail would fight Sabertooth in the first round. I would have liked to seen them both in the finals to enjoy extra matches. so my guess is the Mage games are coming to an end or will be interrupted since Mashima put the fights this way.

Ero-Sanji
July 23, 2012, 03:26 PM
Mira is obviously a lot more powerful than Gray. She's a mage comparable to the likes of Erza. Honestly, Gray stands no chance in a battle of strength and it would be ridiculous if Mashima really intends on making us believe that Gray is more powerful than her. In a team that is meant to consist of the five strongest mages available, Mira should have been a given. And let's be honest, Mashima can make a team player out of anyone. Once he sticks them in a team, he can make them perform team combos like it was a street fighter x tekken game. The only reason Mira's not there is pretty obvious: Gray needs redemption and he'll get that by beating rufus. In fact, I think it will be addressed in the next chapter, possibly that Mira may have actually chosen not to be in the team because of Gray wanting to fight rufus. In any case, while I don't believe Mira should have been benched here as she is comfortably one of the 3 strongest mages there, I also don't think it was a plot mistake.

The man that defeated Ultear, a mage that's certainly comparable to the likes of Erza, the strongest of the kin, stands no chance against Mira? Again, the underestimating of Grey is ridiculous, he might not be as destructive as she is and she might be stronger than he is, but don't say that he doesn't stand a chance. If Mira won the fight, which I believe she would if she defeats him in time, she'll receive serious injuries.

Also, this is not a team that's supposed to consist of the five strongest, it's the strongest team! We have no clue on what may appear as a challenge on the fifth day and Grey is a better choice than Mira is, in this type of situation. If this instead would have been a one-one fight tournament, then yes I would totally agree, but seeing how the strongest team is requested Grey is a perfect member, imo even better than Natsu/Gajeel, but we all know that they have highest potential.

Kuza
July 23, 2012, 03:27 PM
It's only 2v2 fights, so no big deal. Some kind of battle royale is going to happen on the last day. Btw I'll ask again - anybody knows if teams are to pick participants for tag battle or they get picked by king/crowd/anybody?

Chris38
July 23, 2012, 03:42 PM
Great chapter, The only disappointment is to see that Fairy Tail would fight Sabertooth in the first round. I would have liked to seen them both in the finals to enjoy extra matches. so my guess is the Mage games are coming to an end or will be interrupted since Mashima put the fights this way.

I think you are mistaken about something, at the current day, they are only at the tag battle portion of the tournament, where only two members of each team are going to fight against each other, in, an already predetermined order, with the fight between ST and FT, or more specifically Natsu + Gajeel vs Sting + Rouge.

The rest of the fights, against ST + most likely a rematch between Sting vs Natsu and Rouge vs Gajeel is going to occur on the last sixth day, during witch some game events are still going to be occurring.

That's also the reason, why I don't think that Natsu and Gajeel are actually going to win against Rouge and Sting - it pretty much depends on how the points are going to be allocated for the tag team battle's, but I'm at the very least predicting a draw to occur, in other to:

- not make Fairy Tail's win so obvious, since then, the last days events wouldn't be so interesting, in my opinion, at lest.

- it would make the fights between Sting vs Natsu, and Rouge vs Gajell, that, in my opinion, are also going to occur on the last event day, a bit more interesting, compared to the option, when Gajeel and Natsu would win the current days battle.

- it could produce some more character development from Natsu and Gajeel, since if they wouldn't be capable of achieving victory against Rouge and Sting, in the current day, they would be even more motivated to win against them on the last event day.

That's why I hope that, Mashima won't let Natsu and Gajeel win, the current days battle.

frozen18ice
July 23, 2012, 04:45 PM
you make a valid point that if natsu and gajeel would win in the tag battle it would be predictable but does it sound more predictable if they win towards the end and people will say oh its another nakama power up, would it better to have them win towards the end with individual battles than winning in the end like everybody predicted not to mention they pretty much stated that they are gonna wipe the floor with sabertooth that not happening and ending with draws would be a bigger let down because now fairy tale would be called lie tale coz they lied about destroying sabertooth, there are plenty of other ways to give better story development, mermaid heel, blue pegasus, lamia and match up with fairy tale in the cumming days.

kkck
July 23, 2012, 05:01 PM
Well, it seems the last day is going to be a single game where all guild members participate right? In this regard, I think natsu's and gajeel's role will be to win the tag battle and during the last day the 3 remaining members will be able to settle their scores with the remaining sabertooth members while natsu and gajeel take part in something related to completing the game. Kinda like stages- grey, laxus and erza stay back to fight while natsu and gajeel advance. I guess the main issue with my theory is that the 4 DS would fight 2 days in a row.

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Looking at the scores though, it will definitely come down to some weird scoring system. If fairy tail gets 10 points now and sabertooth gets 0 then FT would end up being in first place alone with either lamia scale or mermaid heel. Of course, then there is tomorrows game which would have all teams winning some points which is a bit of a problem.

Edelheld
July 23, 2012, 05:15 PM
So much people oblivious to Mira's problems it makes me sad ='( I feel like nobody really cares for her as a person and only wanting her to rock and kick ass like she's only a fighter and nothing more.
I wrote a lot about it and still there are people popping out and saying that Mira is way stronger than Grey. Like "She fought against Azuma" and lost while forgetting that Gray won against Urtear who's stronger than Azuma etc.
:pout


Btw I'll ask again - anybody knows if teams are to pick participants for tag battle or they get picked by king/crowd/anybody?
No one knows except Mashima =)

sarutobi_sensei
July 23, 2012, 05:59 PM
Hmm, I wouldn't mind if it's Orga and the other guy vs Laxus and Gray. Sure no real team-work from FT side, but I can't see Orga and the other guy team-working as well.

Either way, it's bound to be a great match :D

If Natsu and Gajeel do fight against Sting and Rogue, they have to win. To show the world that they are indeed stronger than any others. Making them lose now just to make them win in a no audience battle would be bad in my opinion.

The world needs to see Twin Dragon vs Twin Dragon Combo.

Plus, information could be spilled by both Sting and Rogue.

NAM61
July 23, 2012, 06:23 PM
I think you are mistaken about something, at the current day, they are only at the tag battle portion of the tournament, where only two members of each team are going to fight against each other, in, an already predetermined order, with the fight between ST and FT, or more specifically Natsu + Gajeel vs Sting + Rouge.

The rest of the fights, against ST + most likely a rematch between Sting vs Natsu and Rouge vs Gajeel is going to occur on the last sixth day, during witch some game events are still going to be occurring.

That's also the reason, why I don't think that Natsu and Gajeel are actually going to win against Rouge and Sting - it pretty much depends on how the points are going to be allocated for the tag team battle's, but I'm at the very least predicting a draw to occur, in other to:

- not make Fairy Tail's win so obvious, since then, the last days events wouldn't be so interesting, in my opinion, at lest.

- it would make the fights between Sting vs Natsu, and Rouge vs Gajell, that, in my opinion, are also going to occur on the last event day, a bit more interesting, compared to the option, when Gajeel and Natsu would win the current days battle.

- it could produce some more character development from Natsu and Gajeel, since if they wouldn't be capable of achieving victory against Rouge and Sting, in the current day, they would be even more motivated to win against them on the last event day.

That's why I hope that, Mashima won't let Natsu and Gajeel win, the current days battle.

natsu wont lose especially after what happen to lucy, i think natsu and gajeel will win and show they are the best DS. i dont think the tournament will get finished i expect the lat day or before that zeref or the black dragon will appear canceling the tournament. or i see gajeel losing losing and natsu having to fight rogue after he beats sting. one thing for sure sting is going down soon.

frozen18ice
July 23, 2012, 06:26 PM
we are on the fourth day tag battle part we all know so far that
(blue Pegasus Vs. Quatro Puppy) kinda ironic that now it both end in P would be epic funny in my opinion.
(lamia Vs. mermaid heel) im betting mermaid would win this one coz i think erza would have to face kagura in one of the 3 days going in the final day
(fairy tale Vs. sabertooth) dragon team up would be my best choice for this portion or ice and lightning combination either way we don't know what mashima would pick but ice and lightning combination would not careless if fairy tale just trample them like no other. with the 4 dragons facing each other i kinda like rouge more than sting plus the cat with the frog suit cute and they could be close to yukino's kinder demeanor.
that pretty much gives us 3 more days of battle that possibly got two parts if they continue with the format but so far we do not have any confirmation other than that the fifth day do not have a game portion being just http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/Fairy-Tail/Fairy-Tail-268/page-14
this tells us that it might be a group battle on the fifth day or that could be on the 7th day but its for sure that the 5th day would only be one type of match up than combination of battle and event.
so far we know that there will be a match up that will involve all of the members in one fight.
what i wish to happen:
i want kagura to face with erza for gerald freedom a one on one fight that would be epic to see the sword drawn would be a great match up.
i want lucy to recover to fight minerva and truly show that she can handle her not get owned by technical stuff like she has to be in a space for a certain time just lucy giving her all but thats questionable even for me to see happening that could only happen if erza or another member lose and badly hurt that even the sub possibly mira is also owned but the likeliness that would happen is kinda slim being the statement done by erza on the last chapter with the darkened face, it would be insulting to get trolled after lucy beat down unless its the ebil troll points
leon vs gray for juvia love big time troll plot.
erza vs kagura gerald love triangle/gerald being kidnap by erza sister/forcing her to fight kagura possible troll point.
other than those two troll points i would not except from mashima
lucy kidnapping already in play from the beginning but damm dont lucy get kidnap a lot even in the filler anime dan kidnap her some what or tries to

kkck
July 23, 2012, 10:08 PM
So much people oblivious to Mira's problems it makes me sad ='( I feel like nobody really cares for her as a person and only wanting her to rock and kick ass like she's only a fighter and nothing more.
I wrote a lot about it and still there are people popping out and saying that Mira is way stronger than Grey. Like "She fought against Azuma" and lost while forgetting that Gray won against Urtear who's stronger than Azuma etc.
:pout


No one knows except Mashima =)

Why should we as readers think urtear is stronger than azuma though? Urtear was the leader of the seven kin however from what we actually saw I would argue it is azuma who showed to be a decent bit stronger. Perhaps urtear would actually win a fight between them however that would be because her magic would be able to negate azuma's own, not because she would be stronger to the full extent of the word.

Freid
July 23, 2012, 10:10 PM
but don't say that he doesn't stand a chance.

He doesn't stand a chance. Unless Mirajane gets hit with the nerf bat like I believe Ultear was, she should be able to beat Gray pretty convincingly. That's the kind of mage she's been hyped up to be and that's the kind of mage we saw completely mop the floor with Fried who Erza herself recognized and told to ask Makarov to take on S-class missions. Just like the manga has made it pretty clear that Gray doesn't stand a chance against Erza, the same also applies to Mira. Being strong enough to inflict injuries or not doesn't change that.

There's nothing to suggest that Gray was picked because he would be more suited for a battle they have zero details about. Nothing implies that that sort of evaluation was made, only that the strongest team was formed. And if we go by how Makarov formed team A and team B which was by picking the strongest mages available, it would make sense if the same pattern was followed here. Like I said, my guess is that Mira simply opted out rather than not being picked.

Chris38
July 24, 2012, 01:11 AM
Well, the fight against Sting and Rouge, has been already foreshadowed near the end of chapter 290, when Sting said that he thinks that he will fight Natsu tomorrow.

As for the tournament, being interrupted by Zeref or Acnologia, I think that the only event that they might interrupt is some pretty boring award ceremony event given to the victor of the GMG's tournament.

After all, the schedule of the tournament, after chapter 292, in my opinion,looks like this:

4th day (current day) - Navel Battle, Tag Battle event's
5th day rest day - during, which the stuff related to Jellal and Kagura is going to, most likely, occur
6th day - an unknown event, during which all 5 of each team's members or going to participate, the day where ,Lucy is going to, most likely, be kidnapped by Arcadios for the Eclipse plan.
7th day - some award ceremony, which is going to, most likely be interrupted by the Eclipse plan going awry, the things that Carla saw in her premonition is going to most likely occur on that day, as well.

The only event I can't pinpoint yet, is when Carla is going to finally decide to tell the rest of her guild mates about the premonition she saw, but most likely it's going to be happen, when Fairy Tail is going to be to late, to prevent the events that Carla saw in her premonition, from becoming a reality.

Ifrit
July 24, 2012, 02:20 AM
The man that defeated Ultear,

Gray is strong, no doubt about that, but Ultear stopped fighting when she started getting flash memories about what really went with her mother.

You can clearly see she lost focus here ! ( She did hold one of the ten wizards saint title...)..Please don't compare her strength with Gray, she is far stronger.

http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/241/12

Ero-Sanji
July 24, 2012, 02:33 AM
He doesn't stand a chance. Unless Mirajane gets hit with the nerf bat like I believe Ultear was, she should be able to beat Gray pretty convincingly. That's the kind of mage she's been hyped up to be and that's the kind of mage we saw completely mop the floor with Fried who Erza herself recognized and told to ask Makarov to take on S-class missions. Just like the manga has made it pretty clear that Gray doesn't stand a chance against Erza, the same also applies to Mira. Being strong enough to inflict injuries or not doesn't change that.

There's nothing to suggest that Gray was picked because he would be more suited for a battle they have zero details about. Nothing implies that that sort of evaluation was made, only that the strongest team was formed. And if we go by how Makarov formed team A and team B which was by picking the strongest mages available, it would make sense if the same pattern was followed here. Like I said, my guess is that Mira simply opted out rather than not being picked.

What are you talking about? Porlyusca specifically said that there would come an event which would include all five members and that because of that they should think before choosing. Team A was not made by the strongest five, just those who hang together, Elfman is stronger than Wendy and so is the raijinshuu, so there's another hint at an actual plan of creating a team of members who know each other. Team B had Mystogan(Gerard) out of "mere coincidence", since he asked for it regarding the plan of his and Juvia being stronger than Fried is debatable.

In my opinion Grey and Natsu's inferiority to Erza has mainly been of comedic relief, even though a lot of characters has mentioned that she is stronger than them, she herself has spoken of Natsu as stronger when serious on the other hand Grey still took down the strongest of the kin, and that's that, if Grey beating Ultear was a result of nerfing than I don't want to think about what Erza beating Ikaruga and Azuma was.


Gray is strong, no doubt about that, but Ultear stopped fighting when she started getting flash memories about what really went with her mother.

You can clearly see she lost focus here ! ( She did hold one of the ten wizards saint title...)..Please don't compare her strength with Gray, she is far stronger.

http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/241/12

There will be a lot of victories in this manga that would become illegitimate if that's the case. Anyway, I didn't compare him to her, just said that he took her down, and to be quite honest this isn't proof enough that she was stronger than him, they were equal until she, as you said, lost focus. He had convincingly nullified her Arc of time and forced her to use Ice make which while they were in the water before her reminiscing was equal to Grey's. Also, Ultear was not a ten wizard saint.

Newkerzy
July 24, 2012, 03:21 AM
The man that defeated Ultear, a mage that's certainly comparable to the likes of Erza, the strongest of the kin, stands no chance against Mira? Again, the underestimating of Grey is ridiculous, he might not be as destructive as she is and she might be stronger than he is, but don't say that he doesn't stand a chance. If Mira won the fight, which I believe she would if she defeats him in time, she'll receive serious injuries.

Also, this is not a team that's supposed to consist of the five strongest, it's the strongest team! We have no clue on what may appear as a challenge on the fifth day and Grey is a better choice than Mira is, in this type of situation. If this instead would have been a one-one fight tournament, then yes I would totally agree, but seeing how the strongest team is requested Grey is a perfect member, imo even better than Natsu/Gajeel, but we all know that they have highest potential.

QFT. And also, think about it like this. Gray may not have overwhelmingly destructive power like the others, but he makes it up in tactics and versatility. This is similar with Naruto, where Kakashi is considered to be Kage-level ninja not for his destructive power but for his intelligence and versatile fighting style. The point hammered in Naruto is that you don't have to have amazingly destructive power to be considered as one of the best fighters in the world. If you have enough intelligence, even you can defeat a Kage.

This is what I think Mashima is trying to point out in the form of Gray. He's considered as strong in the same tier as Erza & Laxus for his intelligence and fighting style. Much like Kakashi is considered among the same tier as the Kages.

And as for last part, that is definitely something people are missing. It's not the strongest members, but rather the strongest TEAM!!

Marche
July 24, 2012, 06:56 AM
Now I will write my prediction for the next chapter.
From the title of the next chapter will be Ichiya turn against two member of Quatro Puppy (in fact in this chapter has been clearly said that the tag team will be 2 vs 2).
I don’t know who will fight together with him.
I believe that will be one between Hibiki and the Rabbit guy, most likely the one who wears the Rabbit costume.
Most likely will be the Rabbit guy, but that is not sure, infact I don’t think that they will fight together only because they were showed when Fairy Tail came out by the tunnel of the colosseum.

This speech is applicable even for Mermaid Hell, for Milliana and Kagura.
In fact I beliva Mashima showed the people that in this tournament had or will have a connection with Fairy Tail.
For this reason for MH has been draw Milliana and Kagura, for LS Lyon, Chelia and Jura, for Quatro Puppy only Bacchus, while for Sabertooth all the 5 member.

Anyways I believe that will win Blue Pegasus (this will be the day where Blue Pegasus will close a little bit the gap with the other guilds).

I don’t know if there will be still 10 points or if counting that there are two member for each time the winner will get 20 points.
If it so perhaps the draw will get 10 points instead that 5.
It’s even important to know if the winner will be given only if both of the opponents team will not be able to countinue the fight or if team with a numerical advantage will get the winner (if will be 2 vs 1 or 1 vs 0).

There is even the possibilities that the points will be given counting the single member of the team.
I have copied what I wrote some weeks ago (perhaps even more that one months ago) this could be the scenario:
I want to write about the tag team battle of the 4th battle.
I believe that we will have only two member for each team, I believe that both of the two member for each team will stay on the battlefield at the same time, we will have a 2 vs 2 battle royal.
I believe that for this match the winner point will be double.
I even think that for each elimination the team will take 10 points while only 5 points for each member of the other team that will be able to endure after 30 minutes (perhaps for these battles even the time will change).

For what I said above I believe that if a team will eliminate the two member of the other team it will get 20 points.
If will be 2 vs 0 only that time will take points, but if it will be 1 vs 0 (so if one of the two member of the winner team will be knocking out) the loser team would get anyways 10 points.
If the match will end in 2 vs 1, the winner team would get 15 points while the loser team would get 5 point (because the result would be like 1 lost and 1 draw).

Freid
July 24, 2012, 09:52 AM
What are you talking about? Porlyusca specifically said that there would come an event which would include all five members and that because of that they should think before choosing. Team A was not made by the strongest five, just those who hang together, Elfman is stronger than Wendy and so is the raijinshuu, so there's another hint at an actual plan of creating a team of members who know each other. Team B had Mystogan(Gerard) out of "mere coincidence", since he asked for it regarding the plan of his and Juvia being stronger than Fried is debatable.

In my opinion Grey and Natsu's inferiority to Erza has mainly been of comedic relief, even though a lot of characters has mentioned that she is stronger than them, she herself has spoken of Natsu as stronger when serious on the other hand Grey still took down the strongest of the kin, and that's that, if Grey beating Ultear was a result of nerfing than I don't want to think about what Erza beating Ikaruga and Azuma was


They don't have any idea what the battle would involve, so what is there to suggest that Gray was picked because the team concluded that Gray has the most suitable type of magic for the battle? It's not manga supported that Gray is the most versatile. It's just your opinion. We've seen that Mira's take over gives her access to several transformations which like Erza, makes her versatile and easily able to adapt to most challenges.

Team A was made from the five strongest mages available. The raijinshuu and Elfman hadn't yet arrived at the time, so the best team they could come up with was supposed to be Natsu, Wendy, Gray, Lucy and Erza. Team B was also supposed to be an overpowered team. Even if the new team wasn't formed by just picking the strongest mages, I don't see why Gray would make the team 'stronger' than if it had Mira in his place. Considering that Laxus is in the team, I doubt forming a group with team chemistry was the aim here. There's no reason why Laxus should be an exception if they were really going for a group that had experience together. Like I said, Mashima can make a team player out of anyone, not just the main cast. Heck, I can see a Erza and Mira duo kicking ass working pretty well together.

Erza saying that a serious Natsu can beat her was no different to Makarov saying a serious Natsu may be able to beat Laxus, even though clearly Laxus is still out of his league. It's only meant to imply that Natsu has the potential to surpass them. The manga has made it all too clear that Erza > Natsu and Gray. Gray's no run of the mill mage, but it's laughable that people are trying to pimp him up to be much larger than he really is.

Schabrak
July 24, 2012, 11:15 AM
Unlike Mira, Erza, Natsu and Gray have formed a team for years, that's all there is to say about their choice for Grey aside from the obvious Rufus encounter. Laxus is an allround monster by himself[+ obvious lightning user], and the DS have their respective fights with Sting/Rogue.

Also Grey hadn't a big moment for a long time, his fight with Ultear was more emotional than anything and the ice monster with Lyon is so far in the past.

Tbh I don't get what you are even arguing about. It's lightning vs lightning, iron vs iron[I assume], fire vs fire[I assume], make magic vs make magic. A Erza vs Minerva fight would be the only not clear one, aside from both being woman and being top S-class mages.

Freid
July 24, 2012, 12:27 PM
Tbh I don't get what you are even arguing about.

My only complaint about Gray being in the team over Mira is that Mira once again doesn't get the spotlight she's deserved as an experienced S-class mage on Erza's level, but it's easy to understand why. Still, I was convinced that Mira's time was now, but alas, Mira's most formidable enemy (the plot) strikes again. Gray gets his big moment; cool.....I'm still waiting for Mira's.

Anyway, I don't believe that the guild just said 'hey, Laxus is a beast. Erza, Natsu and Gray have experience together. Screw everyone else'. The entire team was considered the strongest team. Not the strongest team + Laxus and Gajeel. If it's obvious that Gajeel and Natsu had to be in the team because of their destined fights against Rogue and Sting, the same probably applies to Gray. He's obviously in the team because Mashima intended for him to fight Rufus and he is simply more valuable to the plot than Mira.

kkck
July 24, 2012, 12:55 PM
^Well, that is precisely it with the whole grey thing. He is there because he serves a plot purpose evident to readers however as far as the manga characters know there is nothing even resembling a shred of rational justification for him to be there.

zerocooldx
July 24, 2012, 01:50 PM
If the manga was about showcasing the strongest members of FT in every battle they encountered as a Guild then Laxus and better yet Gildarts would have been always present. Now how interesting of a plot would that have created? I'm sure everyone would just love to see Laxus vs RT type of battles as many times as possible. Bottom line is that Gray has always had plot relevance, Mira barely has any at all.

kkck
July 24, 2012, 02:39 PM
The amount of battles they have faced as a guild is limited. There was the phantom war, the fairy tail battle and grimmoire heart arc along with this arc. During the phantom arc it was pretty clear that gildarts was not around and laxus could not possibly care less. During the fairy tail battle laxus had a main role, mistgun for some reason ran off and mira just barely found it in herself to overcome her trauma. During grimmoire heart we had all the strong people fighting strong people and laxus's role was determinant. Overall even if there were somewhat sketchy parts at times (mostly mistgun not fighting) the manga did provide some measure of an explanation for why the stronger people were not available at the time. The parts lesser people than mira, laxus, mistgun and gildarts had to play made sense within the context of the story. Its not like grey fought jubia, bixlow or urtear while the likes of laxus or gildarts were literally 10 feet away not doing anything for the fun of it. Right now it is plain nonsense for grey to take part. I mean, why? What went on in the manga which would make guildmembers think grey is the one that must necessarily go?

More than that, does grey even have plot relevance here? Not only grey does not have plot relevance from the manga character's point of view but he also has not plot relevance to us readers. I mean, why would grey fighting and defeating rufus mean anything to us? What has rufus ever done to grey? When has there been any interaction between grey and rufus that would give a battle between them some meaning? There has been literally 0 plot development between the two. Grey was humiliated in the first game however that was not because of rufus but because of the raven tail guy. And in the end, rufus won the game literally fair and square. The actual fact here is that grey's vendetta against rufus is plain nonsense. His vendetta against rufus is as unjustified as any other character's vendetta against him so far. Literally EVERYONE else in the manga has the precise amount of reasons grey has to have something against rufus. Heck, even if we argue that ST laughed at lucy and FT, then mira has exactly as much reason to get pissed off at sabertooth as grey.

Grey is plainly NOT plot relevant here. Mashima failed to include anything that makes grey's appearance here even vaguely relevant. All we have is that rufus won fair and square against him and that he has some form of make magic. Storywise, there is simply no reason for us to care about a grey vs rufus battle. Hopefully mashima will at least make rufus make some "yo mama" jokes to grey so that we kinda sorta care about this whole thing.

Schabrak
July 24, 2012, 03:51 PM
He's got the same amount of plot relevance as Natsu and Co, Grey in this case is still angry/envious [:P] of him from the first random match. He's probably trying to overcome the mysterious make magic with his own, just as Natsu had to overcome some God Slayer fire magic which was "stronger" than his. Natsu is angry about Sting and co talking about killing Dragons. So both have their reasons, shallow as they are. If that's reason enough for Grey to ask for a place in the final group and Makarov to trust in his abilities, who are we to argue until we see how he actually fights in a real match.

Isn't it time that you acknowledge that this manga isn't always about logic and power levels? Just remember Erza's suprise win against Azuma. Nakama power, here we GO!

kkck
July 24, 2012, 04:43 PM
I would argue the results of battles are a different topic from this. Granted, they are highly influenced by nakama powerup which kinda beats the point of logic though. In this particular case we are talking about a particular non battle related plot development. Grey going in there was not the result of a random matchup nor was it the result of a number of particular plot developments. This is a situation where every member of the guild was available and they actually had the time to sit down and think this through and for some reason foreign to us as readers he was chosen. Its not even about whether grey is actually strong enough to pull this off. Odds are that he will somehow pull through this, that much is basically a given. The issue is that there is no plot justification for grey to be there, there is no plot justification for us to care about a grey vs rufus battle and mira is objectively the better mage.

That said, there is plainly no way grey has as much plot relevance as natsu, gajeel or even laxus. Only case that could be made here is erza since there is no buildup for her match against minerva however erza is at least the actual third strongest mage in FT thus justifying her position in the 5 man team completely regardless of who else in the guild is available. At least there are a few instances that actually put natsu and gajeel as enemies of sting and rogue. A seven year long admiration, some stuff about dead dragons, a few insults here and there (not much but at least something)... Laxus has been set up to fight orga from the start. Actual images of the two of them wanting to fight, laxus meeting his GS counterpart, lightning vs black lightning.... While grey.... is sad because rufus beat him fair and square during the one game he participated in? Its not like their magics are in any way perceivable related (unless I somehow missed how ice relates to giving shape to memories). Obviously there is the semantic thingy of both magics giving form to something but that still too weak an argument to make them suddenly rivals (or to make us care).

lets take a look at the power levels generally established by the manga (without nakama powerup):

Gildarts (unavailable)
Laxus
Erza
Mira
natsu/gajeel

From that point onward we have grey, fried, evergreen(defeated elfman), elfman(defeated that element 4 guy and , bixlow, lucy and jubia (former s-class equivalent of another powerful guild) who basically have comparable strengths. Perhaps they would even be good matches for even natsu and gajeel but it would still make little sense to send any one of them over those 2. There is basically no way in which mira would not hand grey his ass on a silver platter any day and we have no reason in particular to believe grey's ice magic will somehow be a better match against rufus memory make. At least there is no way in which would have an advantage against rufus which mira wouldn't have.

huynhlan
July 24, 2012, 05:13 PM
My guess is that we will have a flashback chapter of when they pick the member and we will see that they initiatly chooses mira but gray probably ask mira to let him take her place become he should be the one to take rufus down and mira probably agree, that's my guess as to why gray was chosen over mira.

thousandIN1
July 24, 2012, 05:25 PM
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/217
this mean anything to anyone??
rabbit??

hoeru
July 24, 2012, 05:33 PM
They don't have any idea what the battle would involve, so what is there to suggest that Gray was picked because the team concluded that Gray has the most suitable type of magic for the battle? It's not manga supported that Gray is the most versatile. It's just your opinion. We've seen that Mira's take over gives her access to several transformations which like Erza, makes her versatile and easily able to adapt to most challenges.

We have seen Mira doing twothree different Take Overs. Gray showed much more versatility in his fighting style on Galuna against Lyon and in his fight against Ulltear on Tenrou and on his team combo with Lyon against Racer.


My only complaint about Gray being in the team over Mira is that Mira once again doesn't get the spotlight she's deserved as an experienced S-class mage on Erza's level, but it's easy to understand why.

Mira doesn't need any spotlight as she has always been a second line protagonist in a supporter role. Mira is said to have rivaled Elsa before she saw Lisanna dying in her arms. That isn't healed by Lisanna suddenly coming back.

Just as Gildarts is defined as lonesome adventurer Mira isn't the team player acting on the front line. Whenever she did, Mira messed up.

kkck
July 24, 2012, 06:58 PM
We have seen Mira doing two different Take Overs. Gray showed much more versatility in his fighting style on Galuna against Lyon and in his fight against Ulltear on Tenrou and on his team combo with Lyon against Racer.



Mira doesn't need any spotlight as she has always been a second line protagonist in a supporter role. Mira is said to have rivaled Elsa before she saw Lisanna dying in her arms. That isn't healed by Lisanna suddenly coming back.

Just as Gildarts is defined as lonesome adventurer Mira isn't the team player acting on the front line. Whenever she did, Mira messed up.

Well, it is kinda true that mira has only two transformations however there are a few other considerations to make:

Mira has an outright colossal amount of magic:
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7232-15/fairy-tail/chapter-117.html
She can fly
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7232-18/fairy-tail/chapter-117.html
she outclasses a rune powered demon fried
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7233-6/fairy-tail/chapter-118.html
she can control water
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7233-8/fairy-tail/chapter-118.html
She has the "god damn" kamehameha which in shounen terms is the equivalent to having power "over 9000" (and yes, I went there :p)
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7233-10/fairy-tail/chapter-118.html
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7233-11/fairy-tail/chapter-118.html
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/220/14
Fried is basically fodder to her and fried is at least of grey's level and debatably even stronger
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7233-13/fairy-tail/chapter-118.html
She can survive incredible amounts of damage while protecting others
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/220/19
Azuma did not walk out of that unscathe presicely, he enjoyed he did get to go all out (albeit he did not have the power of the tree at that moment yet)
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/220/21
And her new form apparently has fire and is stronger than her original satan soul
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/279/18
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/279/20
And we have laxus recomendation to not piss her off
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/279/21


So... how exactly is grey more versatile than mira? Magical power? No way to say the least. Speed? Are we supposed to believe that grey is in some universe faster than the demon powered flying devil? Strength? Again, demon powered devil here.... Range? No way lol. Mira even has two elements at her disposal while in comparison grey has some ice party tricks. There is no field or universe in which grey even somewhat approaches mira, he is literally inferior in every aspect conceivable.

hoeru
July 24, 2012, 09:17 PM
Sorry, for the onetwo-and-a-half lines post, but I'm no longer participating those ridiculous and one-sided pro-Mira comparisions - while Gray had like ten times more screentime as Mira. Why? I hate to argue against Mira fanboys while being a fan of her as a secondary protagonist myself.

WilliamK
July 24, 2012, 09:25 PM
Sorry, this is clearly getting out of hand. Gray was only chosen for both hype for his battle against Rufus and probably popularity.

He is by no means in any way stronger or more versatile than Gray. This is by far not Fairy Tail's strongest team because not only Mirajane was missed out, so was Jellal! Fairy Tail Team B is a definitely stronger team, assuming that Jellal is still considered a part of the team over Cana.

JunKisaragi
July 24, 2012, 09:45 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I sure am okay with Gray going out there.

Mira is the logical choice in terms of strength, but IMHO that would honestly be quite boring. I for the most part enjoy Fairy Tail as we always see them as the underdog. We always want to see how each character rises up to the occasion. Right at this point of the story, I don't see any build-up (emotional or otherwise) coming from a team made up of literally the strongest members of Fairy Tail.

With Gray joining the team, I still have this sense of uneasiness. I actually feel the same way about Gajeel. Will Gray be able to beat Rufus? Will Gajeel be able to beat Rogue? These are exact uncertainties at the moment. Win or lose, I'll still be left guessing as to "how" it would happen. This is what helps me stay glued to the story; the struggles that the main characters go through. In my case, that's what I see FT sells me, and I'm buying it every single week (not literally though as these are scans XD).

This is not the first time Mira mentioned they're the strongest team though (Erza, Natsu, Gray), so regardless of the "how" and "why" she views them as such, I'm glad to know she has complete faith in them. :)

suraj5898
July 24, 2012, 10:37 PM
guys can u tell me which manga u will add in ur top three manga
fairy tail , naruto , one piece , bleach
well u can say
fairy tali , naruto , one piece
fairy tali , naruto , bleach
one piece , naruto , bleach
u can choose any one but u will always have to left 1 manga out of top three
just like this fairy tali have lot of good fighter but they can only choose 5 . and from what we see in this manga is gray is capable of defeat strong opponent so him being in 5 is not surprising or something we have to fight with each others
and if u wanted to fight more about this more then u will never get strongest team because no 1 the strongest then other Gildarts is not even in team right now and if he is not in team how can u say it is strongest team ???

dark angel KaRamo
July 25, 2012, 12:19 AM
So... how exactly is grey more versatile than mira? Magical power? No way to say the least. Speed? Are we supposed to believe that grey is in some universe faster than the demon powered flying devil? Strength? Again, demon powered devil here.... Range? No way lol. Mira even has two elements at her disposal while in comparison grey has some ice party tricks. There is no field or universe in which grey even somewhat approaches Mira, he is literally inferior in every aspect conceivable.

Gray is no way near! to mira Magical power, he can't even come close to the power of Mira's demon Saton soul. but as WilliamK said he was just chosen for his battle against Rufus and popularity, also i think its for helping in almost all of the big fights throwout the series.

Ether
July 25, 2012, 12:41 AM
More than that, does grey even have plot relevance here? Not only grey does not have plot relevance from the manga character's point of view but he also has not plot relevance to us readers. I mean, why would grey fighting and defeating rufus mean anything to us? What has rufus ever done to grey? When has there been any interaction between grey and rufus that would give a battle between them some meaning? There has been literally 0 plot development between the two. Grey was humiliated in the first game however that was not because of rufus but because of the raven tail guy. And in the end, rufus won the game literally fair and square. The actual fact here is that grey's vendetta against rufus is plain nonsense. His vendetta against rufus is as unjustified as any other character's vendetta against him so far. Literally EVERYONE else in the manga has the precise amount of reasons grey has to have something against rufus. Heck, even if we argue that ST laughed at lucy and FT, then mira has exactly as much reason to get pissed off at sabertooth as grey.

I totally agree with this. The only thing I see is that they're both Making magic users....

As for the ST vs FT tag match, I think it'll be the two DS Duo (pretty obv.) and I think that Natsu and Gajeel will loose. Why? Because Mashima spent so much time telling us that Sting and Rogue are both 3rd gen DS, that they're overpowered and blah blah blah, that if they directly loose in their first fight, all that hype would've been useless and they'll loose all their credibility. And of course Natsu and Gajeel will beat them later.

And finally about the next chapter, Ichiya's obviously going to fight (Along with the rabbit-guy I hope). I'd love to see them fight against Bacchus (I kinda like the character, dunno why)...

Krono
July 25, 2012, 01:08 AM
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/217
this mean anything to anyone??
rabbit??

It's referencing that 2011 was the Year of the Rabbit.


And we have laxus recomendation to not piss her off
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/279/21

I'm certain that Laxus's recommendation to not piss her off has to do with her personality, not her power, hence her comment the next chapter about having shown an inappropriate side to herself. Her display of power against Jenny was pretty much unremarkable seeing as Jenny is utterly lacking in anything about her actual level of power. So defeating a totally surprised Jenny is something that could have been done as easily with regular Satan Soul as best we can tell.

What that fight did demonstrate is that Mirajane doesn't get mad, she gets even. We first saw that when she transformed her head into Gajeel's back during the Miss Fairy Tail contest to get back at him for tying her up. In this case, it's pretty clear that Jenny was the one that proposed the beauty contest, and when she proposed the bet just before the last judging, it became clear that she'd been setting Mirajane up for a humiliation. Rather than call her out on it, or propose her own change, she accepts the bet, then makes her own change and attacks before her opponent can prepare. Cheerfully leaving Jenny to be the one to suffer the nude photo shoot she'd wanted Mirajane to be stuck doing.

Schabrak
July 25, 2012, 02:31 AM
Because Mashima spent so much time telling us that Sting and Rogue are both 3rd gen DS, that they're overpowered and blah blah blah, that if they directly loose in their first fight, all that hype would've been useless and they'll loose all their credibility. And of course Natsu and Gajeel will beat them later.

And finally about the next chapter, Ichiya's obviously going to fight (Along with the rabbit-guy I hope). I'd love to see them fight against Bacchus (I kinda like the character, dunno why)...
How many fights and time do you want them to have? We are almost a year into the arc, it's time for them to fight, lose and go on to the Lucy mistery. Natsu can't lose because all of his pride and anger will be of use for the fight, he has to avenge Lucy and their mocking after all. As for Gajeel, it's his first show off since the TS, keeping his new lvl of stregnth secrect for so long, just to let him lose, I don't see the benefit of that. For once Mashima could try to make them win directly instead of going into multiple rounds.

Ether
July 25, 2012, 02:47 AM
How many fights and time do you want them to have? We are almost a year into the arc, it's time for them to fight, lose and go on to the Lucy mistery. Natsu can't lose because all of his pride and anger will be of use for the fight, he has to avenge Lucy and their mocking after all. As for Gajeel, it's his first show off since the TS, keeping his new lvl of stregnth secrect for so long, just to let him lose, I don't see the benefit of that. For once Mashima could try to make them win directly instead of going into multiple rounds.

Well, I must say that I haven't thought much of Natsu, my bad (I've been waiting to see Sting and Rogue's power for so long now that my opinion has been biaised huhu). Of course they have to win., but what I'm saying is that Natsu and Gajeel can't just come into the arena like "Hey, you beat up my friend, I'll beat you to a pulp", and just beat the sh** out of Sting and Rogue without them having a single occasion to fight back, and then good bye (I know tht you didn't say any of this, but I just wanted to make it clear that I don't see the benefit of them being crushed after such hype around them either)

Edit : in fact, having just Sting crushed would be fine for me, I kinda like Rogue huhu :teehee

THM Nindo
July 25, 2012, 04:54 AM
Can we talk about something else than Gray being chosen over Mira!?
This conversation has been going on since last Friday...

Edelheld
July 25, 2012, 05:40 AM
Why should we as readers think urtear is stronger than azuma though? Urtear was the leader of the seven kin however from what we actually saw I would argue it is azuma who showed to be a decent bit stronger. Perhaps urtear would actually win a fight between them however that would be because her magic would be able to negate azuma's own, not because she would be stronger to the full extent of the word.
Of course she was the leader of 7 kin only because of her juicy bouncing uppers and bottoms, right? Of course when Azuma plugs himself to the Tenrou island powers and fights Erza - it's his true power, right?
Of course if Mira fights Azuma(while he isn't yet plugged to the Tenrou island powers) and doing literally no harm to him with her strongest efforts surely indicates that she is super strong while Grey's winning against Urtear and completely overcoming her main magic(even while his make magic by default is really weak against time arc magic) shows only "plot armor", right?


... there is nothing even resembling a shred of rational justification for him to be there.
Have you read previous conversation? There's a whole bunch of "shreds" for you.


Can we talk about something else than Gray being chosen over Mira!?
This conversation has been going on since last Friday...
No, 'cos then we'll stop talking until next Friday =)

Ifrit
July 25, 2012, 07:39 AM
I agree 100% with kkck. There should no be any grudge form Gray toward Rufu.....It was Raven Tail guy who trashed Gray not Rufu.

In terms of power...I'm sorry I like Gray, but he is not in the top 5 with Mira around.

Also if we are taking forms of Magic to compare with Memory make---Ice Make...not sure related ...

I think it should have been Freed who took part with the fighting ...and he should have been Rufu rival.

Each mach last 30 minutes right ? This is enough time to Freed to set his runes all over the place.

just like kkck said with Gildartz out of the picture:

Laxus

Erza

Mira

Natsu / Gajeel ( Now Gajeel with his motion sickness I think he unlocked his 2nd what ever its called)

Freed / Gray (Although I think Freed fit in this battle more than Gray)

May I add. That now Gray is the chosen one. Gray with his new power up. He will be able to freeze people memories. This is how he gonna defeat Rufu mark my words.

Krono
July 25, 2012, 08:32 AM
Can we talk about something else than Gray being chosen over Mira!?
This conversation has been going on since last Friday...

Sure.

Odds are improving for the Blue Pegasus Rabbit to turn out to be Cobra.

Kinana's started popping up in group shots in just the last few chapters, only Ichiya knows any about the Rabbit, and it's the Dragon King's Feast, and the only dragon slayer not present at the tournament is Cobra. Meanwhile in the filler which the manga referenced, Oracion Seis is back, Cobra's clearly searching for his snake, and Blue Pegasus and Ichiya are currently helping Fairy Tail against them, but the Trimens are away on business, so they won't know what's gone down until after the fact.

Schabrak
July 25, 2012, 08:39 AM
Grey seeing a rivalry because of a higher class of make magic is enough for him to see Rufus as his personal opponent. Yeah he seems to be weaker than Mirajane, nothing to suggest otherwise. Yet remember what Mavis said

This is the time to show them. The stregnth of our bonds.
Fact is the bond between Natsu, Erza and Grey is far bigger than that to Mira. With the concept of strength through bonds and friends in FT, it should be clear that that combination is the better one. Gildarts is the strongest anyway, him being part of the group wouldn't make them the best combo/team though. We also know that DS can help each other, which make the Dragon Slayer Duo/Trio a potential beast too.

moonster x
July 25, 2012, 04:56 PM
why you guys bothering about the strongest team... the only one that said the strongest team was Mira... and i just remember when first time Natsu,Gray and Erza make a team Mira called them the strongest team.. which Makarov almost had heart attack when he heard that and when Natsu and some other combo she still called them the strongest team... so it just Mira point of view.. if Makarov the one who said that it would be confusing even for me.. when he said he want Gildartz,Mira,Erza and Laxus to be in the strongest team of FT.

for now i want ST getting stomp by FT especially by Natsu,Gray and Erza since they always a team with Lucy for a long time.Gazeel and Laxus is the best choice because it seem their opponents is obvious.

frozen18ice
July 25, 2012, 07:49 PM
come to think about it the strongest team meant before the 7 year arch is that they destroy every place they gone to, that was the real reputation of fairy tale glorified wrecking ball. and mira did call lucy, natsu, erza, gray team before to be the strongest team. but they did destroy a lot of building.

crimsonlink310
July 25, 2012, 10:31 PM
Can't Mira just be revealed as the substitute so everyone would shut up about Mira not being on the team? Sheesh I can't believe FT got this many pages just arguing over if Gray really belongs in the group. :-_-

SerpentTailedAngel
July 25, 2012, 10:52 PM
Sure.

Odds are improving for the Blue Pegasus Rabbit to turn out to be Cobra.

Kinana's started popping up in group shots in just the last few chapters, only Ichiya knows any about the Rabbit, and it's the Dragon King's Feast, and the only dragon slayer not present at the tournament is Cobra. Meanwhile in the filler which the manga referenced, Oracion Seis is back, Cobra's clearly searching for his snake, and Blue Pegasus and Ichiya are currently helping Fairy Tail against them, but the Trimens are away on business, so they won't know what's gone down until after the fact.

While there is still a chance of that, I think the anime is dealing with the Cobra/Kinana thing right now. Even if it's filler, Mashima was supposed to be involved in plotting it. It could be Cobra turning a new leaf, but it won't be Cobra being connected to Kinana.

thousandIN1
July 25, 2012, 11:42 PM
i didn't think about cobra being the rabbit, but after the filler it makes more sense, and the next chapter is called, "the perfume i dedicate to you" it could be poison perfume. i always thought that loke was in the rabbit suit, but after that lucy beating i doubt it. also i hope for crime sorciere to get some more members like mato(unless he's the evil bad guy), laxus, yukino, rouge and frosh maybe. it's composed of people who want to repent and i can totally see these guys joining.
as for the next chapter IMO it will be half BP vs QP and the first part of MH vs LS. also does anyone know if the king chooses the teams or the teams choose.

Ether
July 26, 2012, 12:57 AM
also does anyone know if the king chooses the teams or the teams choose.

I personnally think that it's the king who chooses the fighters, just like for the other battles, but I may be wrong, as this one's a special one. Wait and see....

Krono
July 26, 2012, 01:29 AM
While there is still a chance of that, I think the anime is dealing with the Cobra/Kinana thing right now. Even if it's filler, Mashima was supposed to be involved in plotting it. It could be Cobra turning a new leaf, but it won't be Cobra being connected to Kinana.

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Cobra's already connected to Kinana, as Kinana was his snake. Kinana doesn't remember it, and Cobra doesn't know Cuberios was a human cursed into the form of a snake. I suspect the filler will be used for this particular reveal.

Anyways, my point is that Mashima hasn't included Kinana at all in the group shots this arc, and all of a sudden she's been in group shots in three chapters, as though she was part of the tertiary cast like Alzack, Max, etc. He doesn't really have any reason to suddenly start integrating her like this, unless he's planning on doing something with Cobra in the near future.

Couple that with Ichiya being the sole member of Blue Pegasus involved in fighting the new OS in the filler, and that the filler stands decent odds of revealing whose snake Kinana was to everyone, including Cobra who stands a decent chance of getting a heel face turn out of it; and you've got a scenario that would explain why Cobra might be good, with Blue Pegasus, with only Ichiya in the know.


also does anyone know if the king chooses the teams or the teams choose.

Probably the king chooses the teams again.

Regulus
July 26, 2012, 03:55 PM
My guess is that we will have a flashback chapter of when they pick the member and we will see that they initiatly chooses mira but gray probably ask mira to let him take her place become he should be the one to take rufus down and mira probably agree, that's my guess as to why gray was chosen over mira.

Totaly agree with your guess i also think that mira was chosen but the others asked her if they could go instead of her and by others i mean not only gray :)

Even the master thinks that mira would be the better choice which u can read here:
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/265/6

what i cant understand is why everyone started to think that gray is weaker than gajeel , i mean he could fight against 1 of the 7 kin evenly and gajeel had problems defeating 2 subordinats and barely survived.
http://www.mangareader.net/135-58826-15/fairy-tail/chapter-212.html

Ps.
1. This was my first post here in the forum :super
2. Sryy for my bad english :s

RaveDragon
July 26, 2012, 04:46 PM
I was thinking maybe we get to see who bunny dude is :hee it's a transition chapter, i doubt lucy will get kidnapped now :/ so maybe its time to get to know bunny dude unless hes not chosen :s

kkck
July 26, 2012, 08:52 PM
Totaly agree with your guess i also think that mira was chosen but the others asked her if they could go instead of her and by others i mean not only gray :)

Even the master thinks that mira would be the better choice which u can read here:
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/265/6

what i cant understand is why everyone started to think that gray is weaker than gajeel , i mean he could fight against 1 of the 7 kin evenly and gajeel had problems defeating 2 subordinats and barely survived.
http://www.mangareader.net/135-58826-15/fairy-tail/chapter-212.html

Ps.
1. This was my first post here in the forum :super
2. Sryy for my bad english :s

Well, gajeel was a match for natsu to say the least. I would argue that it also makes more sense for gajeel to be the stronger one plotwise considering he is indeed a DS. That said, grey did not quite match urtear. There was a decent bit of other stuff going on there. It was only when urtear started having halucinations of her past that grey managed to land the finishing move on her to boot. Considering what we saw, it even seemed like urtear was the better one at ice make too (her ice make at least seemed more elaborated than grey's). And to be fair, even if they were not of the seven kin they were 2 mages who overall did seem fairy skilled.

Welcome to the forum!

SerpentTailedAngel
July 26, 2012, 09:49 PM
One thing to consider: Gray likes to fight. Mira stopped liking battle after the Lisanna incident, and since then most of her battles have been hesitant. She only fought if one of her siblings was in trouble-or if someone was trying to force her to pose nude. Gray's willing to get rough without there being high stakes.

hoeru
July 26, 2012, 11:43 PM
come to think about it the strongest team meant before the 7 year arch is that they destroy every place they gone to, that was the real reputation of fairy tale glorified wrecking ball. and mira did call lucy, natsu, erza, gray team before to be the strongest team. but they did destroy a lot of building.

LOL, so that team is going to be the cause of Charle's vision? ;)

I'd be happy if Fairy Tail simply overdid it again in that vision. No dragon, no eclipse - everything a huge trolling.

Chris38
July 27, 2012, 02:24 AM
LOL, so that team is going to be the cause of Charle's vision? ;)

I'd be happy if Fairy Tail simply overdid it again in that vision. No dragon, no eclipse - everything a huge trolling.

I think that Mashima wouldn't make such a risky move, considering how outraged the fans would be about that.

Like it or not, I think it's time for the story to move toward, after all Mashima hasn't divulged any info, for about 200+ chapters, on the dragon subplot of the story, which I believe is quite enough, and I think that, it's not a bad thing to reveal at least a part of the mystery, on why the dragons have disappeared, and what kind of connection Layla (and Lucy, due to her being Layla's daughter), have, with the dragons disappearance.