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cranekilla
August 08, 2012, 04:38 PM
im sick of other countries take on americans. i was just reading the current chapter of gantz. so in the chapter americans were on the mothership and we captured the aliens and we transport the japanese(the main characters) to the ship. and when the japanese get there the americans are up there smoking weed,r@ping the aliens,( and the aliens are like the sizes of buildings) falling asleep in the aliens butt, one alien woman fought back and the americans blew her head off. and thats when the japanese characters started to beat the americans up for acting the way they were. and its not like they were gonna go deeper with it after the fight the main characters went to the next room and are now being transported some where else to continue the story. the whole chapter was pointless and was just an excuse to insult americans. just wanted to know some thoughts on that.

A_N_G_E_L
August 08, 2012, 06:13 PM
Calm down, don't take it too serious! It is a comic/manga!;) We also have seen japanese Teams acting up crazy(Osaka Team).
But I agree some stereotypes are just annoying but I just ignore them.

Ayle
August 08, 2012, 06:31 PM
Wait I tough the american were the own swoking weed and looking at the alien having sex but the rapist guys where british? When they started fighting the translation the kid guiding them said to leave the english guys alone when they started fighting.

Damura
August 08, 2012, 09:55 PM
Well, it's not like any other group has been treated differently. The japanese have been portrayed in exactly the same way. Worse in fact.

Plus, it's not like your own soldiers irl don't do this shit. And don't take that too personally.. armies always get involved with this kind of thing on some scale.

And keep in mind that there were plenty of good Americans in the series.

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@Ayle: How can you tell if they're british?

102jayday
August 09, 2012, 02:55 AM
Calm down, it was the English! But face it artist/authors will favor their own country but look at the Osaka team, rape and drugs which will happen to many of people who are given power. The tokyo team was form by those who wanted to HELP/SAVE people so naturally they will react like this seeing their fellow man do bad acts. No jerk bad people join the team well um one joined cause he reckon Reika is hot...

edit, it was stated in the spoilers by those who produce the raw that it was english dudes.

Gantzter127
August 09, 2012, 03:27 AM
In the raw the translators did say they "were" English. Plus all human beings are like this, not just Americans. Example: The Osaka team.
Please don't get upset over something like this it's just a comic book...

lolnameless
August 09, 2012, 03:56 AM
you're too sensitive, feel free man, i love some of the amercians even though the country has its own problems

it reminds me of an old forum in my country, it censores the word "f**k" into "Turkish", of course they did it just for the lulz (in fact, we south-east asian, have no idea what turkish is like and hardly know their history)
but it receives dozens of complaint for racism lol

gantzaccount
August 09, 2012, 05:36 AM
You're overreacting a bit. These are untrained soldiers. American soldiers in the field do terrible things sometimes (and sometimes get charged). This isn't a regular war, either, these "soldiers" aren't trained so much as regular people just given superguns. So it shouldn't be a surprise that they'd be incredibly abusive of their new toys.

Also, there've been MANY Japanese characters portrayed as evil monsters:the selfish Zaibatsu, the rapists, the serial killers, the child abusers...

So no, this is an equal-opportunity manga for showing the horribleness of humanity.


Also, you are forgetting the POSITIVE portrayals of Americans. Some examples:
-- The American rapper group that happened to get pulled into the Jurassic park mission weren't bad guys. Stereotypical gangstas, but they eventually were very friendly and respectful to Kuruno.
-- The American Gantz leader was generous and willing to help give information to Kuruno and Nishi on the aliens' ships.
-- America's military made the first valiant effort to repel the giants. They failed, but they still tried. It wasn't as if they were shown to be cowardly or incompetent, they just had weaker tech.

So, no. Just because the average untrained foot soldiers of the US are scumbags (which is realistic) doesn't mean the country as a whole is rotten.

Damura
August 09, 2012, 06:48 AM
American soldiers in the field do terrible things sometimes (and sometimes get charged). This isn't a regular war, either, these "soldiers" aren't trained so much as regular people just given superguns. So it shouldn't be a surprise that they'd be incredibly abusive of their new toys.

They do terrible things regularly. And that's just the stuff the public knows about :(

teioh
August 10, 2012, 01:15 AM
OH MAN, you all are acting like those ignorants gantzers who suppose that japanese gantzers were koreans/chinese (typical of western people). I think Oku did nothing to label those rapists as americans, they simply speak english like BILLIONS of people in this world. And, as has already been said, some japanese gantzer say they were "english people" nothing more (and probably he said this w/o clearly know if they were or not).

So stay calm and think some minutes before get angry for nothing. And however in whole gantz manga a lot of characters act like bastard, insensible, brutal, violent, no-mercy and so on MONSTERS regardless of the nationality. If you can't catch this, than it's better if you stop to read this manga.

102jayday
August 10, 2012, 01:22 AM
Please do not say 'all' :'(
I was just going by memory Dofla or the one who translated the raw at the time. I think said no they're not americans. Regardless as I said its just a perfect example of giving power to every tom dick and harry you know? Lots of sick/bad people, Japan had heaps in there too eg; Osaka team and toyko had those gang bang guys, the guy who tried to rape Kishimoto and the bikers.

Forever Rain
August 10, 2012, 08:46 PM
LOL! This thread made me think of that poster here that passionately hates americans for some reason. Who is that I never bothered to remember their screen name.

By an american of course!! *shakes fist*

The world hates americans!!!!! grr!!

I always cracked up at that person posts. "Americans are bad and here I am hating a whole country of diverse people and judging them all like I know them! That makes me righteous!!"

lolz good times.

102jayday
August 10, 2012, 10:20 PM
idk I get annoyed about the overuse jokes/hate to america.
Its a country like any other, friend went their the over week and loved it. People outside the bubble just judge....its usually bought upon by a few bad people so people just automatically judge that all must be bad there...
Everywhere your gonna get jurbonies, gantz has made a good example of that. Too bad we didnt see anyone bad in the Italy mission but that was from the massive attack.
Personally Ryou is a massive jurbonie haven't seen one of his kind in a while...wait nvm my town is full of most dumb people..
I wonder what those two Ryou and Natsu will do? Pretty much a waste of panels and a chapter for them to randomly pop up.

kliff2004
August 14, 2012, 08:58 AM
I had a long conversation with an american soldier once.

You guys know how people like to make internet pranks and say "so and so celebrity is dead" and then you gotta google to confirm and what not?

Someone played that joke on him and his buddies, and said Jennifer lopez has died.

This is how he put it.

"Some of my friends got really upset over it, and lets just say, some innocent civilians were killed that day because of it"

American's are no worse than another other country.

But no country is universally looked down on like America is.

102jayday
August 15, 2012, 03:10 AM
The way American is looked down on is just Jealously imo but thats for another thread =P

kliff2004
August 16, 2012, 12:13 PM
The way American is looked down on is just Jealously imo but thats for another thread =P

I love americans.

Yep, the rest of the world is hating on us.........cause they are jelly.

How insightful of you.

Damura
August 16, 2012, 07:48 PM
Not sure why anyone would be jealous of America's shit government, shit economy or amazing crime rate.

They make some pretty decent movies though sometimes.

102jayday
August 17, 2012, 07:59 AM
Yes but it just seems to me like everyone stereo types America as the big dogs. Like how Oku said leave it to the Americans to find a way to stop the aliens, just like in the movies.

gantzaccount
August 18, 2012, 02:31 AM
Yes but it just seems to me like everyone stereo types America as the big dogs. Like how Oku said leave it to the Americans to find a way to stop the aliens, just like in the movies.

That's...because it's true? The US has the world's most powerful military by far.

Bromamura
August 18, 2012, 02:51 AM
Don't American's want to see themselves as the big dogs? And take pride in it.

Damura
August 18, 2012, 10:53 AM
That's...because it's true? The US has the world's most powerful military by far.

Doesn't really accomplish a whole lot though.

Leave it to the Americans to fuck around for decades on end accomplishing nothing at all.

Gantzter127
August 18, 2012, 11:35 AM
Doesn't really accomplish a whole lot though.

Leave it to the Americans to fuck around for decades on end accomplishing nothing at all.
Indeed haha.

mote
August 18, 2012, 12:27 PM
Not sure why anyone would be jealous of America's shit government, shit economy or amazing crime rate.

At least our video games are uncensored :hee

Sollum
August 18, 2012, 03:10 PM
I don't quite enjoy going into such threads, but...

Karma is a bitch, take that! For making fun of Russia in every possible way! :P

thornofcarrion
August 19, 2012, 12:17 AM
This thread has little to do with manga any more. Closing it down and moving it to the archives.