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Gold Knight
February 01, 2007, 08:09 PM
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Talk about being full of hot air...!

Huzzah. Early Comments this week. RAW wasn't too bad for a change (Thanks Touch!) and CeZ and Kokotas did a fine speed scanlation with it using Pazuzu's translation, which I'm using today. Credits go to Fnuckale for cleaning the header as well as the doublespread for me. Thanks to all involved, as well as Hisshou, Winny, and Lee-nus for doing translations. You guys are all awesome.

Not much to say this time, so I'll just go ahead and start. Before I do, though, be sure to check out Robotic Red's Commentary (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=14272.0), too! And I know Raine plans to do her Wrap-Up as well, and even bax may start a commentary too (he should, he always has a lot of insights!) It makes me happy to see so many of you guys want to get involved into in-depth discussions. ;)

Also, give more love to Zarosaki! (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=1313.0) Go there and get to know these guys. They're pretty much some of the most awesome people you'll ever meet on the net, and they do amazing colorings of the Naruto chapters. :)

Hope you have fun reading and if you have anything to add, post away. For additional fun, scroll down fast and watch the images roll by! It'll feel like you're actually watching the entire battle in fast forward - I made sure to include every image that I particularly liked. Which is a lot :D


* * * Gold Knight's Ten Comments on Naruto Chapter 340: A Hazardous Bridge...! * * *

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You go that way, you go that way, I'll go that way!

1. Slow to React!? Now, okay, this is the main problem I had with this chapter (but the only one, happily). That is, I don't understand why Kakuzu wouldn't pay attention to the Naruto with the RasenShuriken regardless of the three bunshins charging at him. After all, that jutsu was particularly eye-catching, mostly likely very bright, and I'd think Kakuzu wouldn't be as worried about three bunshins with kunais (which likely wouldn't have even gotten that close to piercing each of his three hearts) and try to deal with the more immediate threat immediately - especially knowing now that Naruto was the Nine-Tailed Fox. And here, it was painfully obvious, I think, that Naruto intended for his three bunshins to be distractions to Kakuzu, because as the duplicates moved towards him, we could see that the Naruto in the back was starting to move around the area to try to find an opportunistic spot to attack.

Granted, I'll admit that Kakuzu had to deal with what was coming at him first and foremost, but at the same time he could have quickly moved to a more advantageous spot instead of just waiting for them all to come to him. He had to know that with four combatants coming at him from every side, one would catch him unaware eventually. What kind of Akatsuki is he? This is the same guy who was able to sidestep Shikamaru's creeping shadow at the outset of the battle, and then free himself from the Kagemane jutsu!

Guess Kakuzu was just over-confident this time. And slow. Perhaps he can't move as quickly when in that form...

And how about this part? Why would Naruto, knowing he was up against a very dangerous enemy, be so confident that the tactic would be successful, knowing that Kakuzu, in a heartbeat, was able to grab ahold of Kakashi, Ino, and Chouji with his black tendrils just a few chapters before, all at once. Instanteously. Why wouldn't he be able to do the same to three charging Naruto bunshins, and then be able to turn his fury on the suddenly vulnerable real Naruto?

But then again, Naruto was most likely just as guilty as Kakuzu of being absolutely sure of achieving victory. The overly certain assassin meets the overconfident kid. Guess something's gotta give.


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Back Off, Useless!

2. No Helping! This time I'm glad that Kishimoto at least gave an excuse for why Yamato, Kakashi, Chouji, and Ino were all just staying back instead of assisting Naruto. (As one of my friends put it to me on messenger once, he thought that they were just going to sit back there and play a deck of cards while Naruto had to do all the work!)

That is, apparently, Naruto's new jutsu would have created a sort of unpredictable tempest - or perhaps an explosion (more likely, seeing the crater that Naruto once created while training with Yamato) - that might harm others close to Naruto at the time.

Well, at least Chouji did try to move to help out. Good for him. Maybe there's some hope for him after all. Ino, though...


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Gangway!

3. Fast and Furious! All right, here's the thing. I absolutely loved the art in this chapter. By that, I mean that I was utterly, completely impressed. How come? Well, I think that Kishimoto did an absolutely great job at displaying the action in this chapter so that we were able to easily understood each move while at the same time being excited, fascinated and captivated by the intensity and dynamicism of the combat. And so darn well-drawn, too - although one of the Naruto bunshins' jumping style seemed almost too video game-like, heh. But anyway, I'll be dedicating this particular comment to showing how well Kishimoto drew the battle so that it'd be ridiculously easy for the animators to capture this battle on the TV screen! Just scroll through the images and you'll see what I mean.


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Got you!

In this panel, something did confuse me. Was Kakuzu only able to concentrate on one bunshin at a time with his black tendrils, in order to ward him off? Why not take care of them all at the same time? But then, maybe, it was that Kakuzu just knew that the masks on each of his shoulders would be able to take care of the other two, since he probably managed to glimpse that they were coming at him from both sides.


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Gotcha, too, suckers!

Obviously, you do not want to be in front of these masks when they open fire, that's for sure. Talk about a couple of unfortunate bunshins! (I kind of wish we would have gotten to see what the "Earth" mask would be able to do before it was destroyed. Spit out rocks?)


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Aww... hell.

And here we have Kakuzu being completely distracted and thus being unable to move around in time to be able to fend off the most dangerous enemy - the real Naruto himself, armed with what Kakuzu himself recognized as a "monstrous jutsu." This goes back to what I said in the first comment, where I really don't think that it should have been so easy for Naruto to catch Kakuzu off aware. But it happened, so...


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OH NOOOOOES!!! BLARGH!!!

4. Behold!!! The Terrifying Force of... What? Heh, well, so Naruto didn't succeed after all. But gotta say, he certainly scared Kakuzu - note he closed one of his eyes, one of his hands span out wildly, unintentionally (I think) and out of pure fear, and he fell back almost cringingly! Just an awesome doublespread. (So awesome, that I asked Fnuckale to speed-clean it for me, which he obliged. Thanks, buddy! <3 ) Anyway, at least colorists should have something interesting to work with this upcoming week.


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...you mean that was it?

Somewhat amusing too, that I think the RasenShuriken flickered out just as Naruto got to point blank territory. But I'll comment on why I found it rather inventive of Kishimoto to do such a scene in a few minutes.


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Gotta save the booger-brain again!

5. Two Different Expectations. After Naruto's failure, I found the reactions of Kakashi and Yamato rather interesting to compare. Yamato, of course, was shown last chapter as being extremely faithful in Naruto's capability to be able to take down Kakuzu, whereas Kakashi was a bit unconvinced and dubious.

And well, here we see Yamato clearly both ash-faced and shocked, and Kakashi with an almost "I-told-you-so" look and rushing forward immediately to try to save his former student. Seemed like he completely expected Naruto all along to have run into a little setback.

Somewhat ironic that Kakashi had been the one to compliment Naruto on his ability to surpass Yondaime, and Yamato was the one to have been surprised by his former sempai's conviction. Here, they reversed roles, if only for a moment. Probably due to Kakashi's familiarity with Naruto being such a klutz, and Yamato's inexperience working with him, their natural reactions came out.

In a way, I'm glad this happened. Because we got to see...


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Hai YAH! Karate CHOP!!!

6. The Ultimate Teamwork!? Kakashi and Yamato working together??? Sweet! Talk about eye candy. Two of my favorite characters in the series so far (yes, I was a big fan of Yamato since he first appeared, too) actually participating in an actual battle together.

Kakashi doing the "Raikiri chop" to sear apart the tendrils holding Naruto tight, something we haven't seen, was exciting to see. (Technically, though, it probably wasn't Raikiri - it's more likely just a result of Kakashi's ability to be able to manipulate electricity, which was enough to cut through the tendrils - but I'm calling it that anyway because it's fun, heh.) And of course, Kakuzu being caught almost off-guard by Yamato's stretching wooden "lance" wasn't able to prevent his prey from getting away from him.

Very cool that Kakashi had but to say something to Yamato, and he was already on it. They were both on Kakuzu so fast that it probably made his head spin a bit.


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Now you just sit there and let the adults work.

Another thing I'm glad to see was that Kakashi redeemed himself a bit here. Remember that Kakashi wasn't able to avoid Kakuzu's coils, and so had to be subsequently saved by Naruto and Yamato? You should! It didn't happen too long ago, and it was the first time I had seen Kakashi in an awkward situation since he was trapped by Zabuza's water prison jutsu. That was quite a while ago.

Well, here, he returned the favor, to Naruto at least - and proved that he wasn't completely out of the fight yet.

So sorry, kid, but you can forget about that free ramen dinner - it's all even now!


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C'mon here, you!

Something I really wanted to know here, when Yamato was trying to catch the Akatsuki flat-footed with his wooden spikes, was whether Kakuzu thought he was fighting Shodai all over again or not. I mean, of course, we all know that Yamato was a genetically engineered descendent of the First Hokage, thanks to that dastardly conspirator, Orochimaru. Well, it would have been fun to see Kakuzu at least mention or think something about Shodai here, giving us a little bit of insight into his previous battle with the founder of Konohagakure - but maybe that's still coming up.

I do have to admit that I'm pretty impressed that Kakuzu didn't just take off here. He had to know that he was up against some very formidable people now. Maybe he was still expecting Hidan to come to his aid at some point, though.


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And what have you done lately, Ino...?

7. No Respect...! I found it extremely irksome that Ino went so far as say that Naruto was still the same Naruto, and didn't seem to show any proper respect to a comrade that at least tried to get something done, unlike her... in the entire battle! Naruto's done more than her to this point, and he just arrived!

I think Kishimoto intended for us to feel this way about Ino right now, but I'm becoming annoyed by her general inactivity in this battle. How did she become a Chuunin? Were everybody in that tournament where she got promoted to Chuunin five years younger than her and sucking lollipops? Sheesh.

No, I'm not really complaining as much as I am just saying my current thoughts on Ino. I don't think Ino was ever really meant to be liked as a supporting character right now - at least until Sakura and Ino settle their rivalry. And if that's so, fine by me. Works for the story. Not everybody can be amazingly likeable in real life, either, after all. I think that Kishimoto still plans for something else to occur between these two in a future storyarc, and I do believe he intends to develop Ino's character further. After all, you can't really understand Sakura completely until you know more about Ino as well. They both see themselves as being part of the same story, the same life, and challenged by the same goals. Right now, though, I think Sakura's got the edge on her as far as winning that personal duel between them. (Funny that it all started out as a romantic duel of sorts, though.)

I almost feel sorry for Kishimoto sometimes, actually. He likely won't be able to develop all his secondary characters as thoroughly as he'd like to before the end of the series. He almost made them too interesting.

But I do think Ino will be one of these ones to be expanded on - I just don't like her right now.


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Typical Naruto logic.

8. So Much For Frisbee. I found it almost hilarious that Chouji voiced exactly what I think the majority of the readers here had hoped to have seen happen with the RasenShuriken. Okay, so it wasn't designed to be a long-range jutsu. How come? Let Yamato explain it for ya...


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That's a very, very perturbed kid.

Okay, so let me guess now that we know it's supposed to be a short-range jutsu. The RasenShuriken was probably supposed to pick up Kakuzu up into the air and violently whirl him around and then, as a finishing touch, slam him down into the ground with such a huge impact that the earth blows up - hence the crater we saw before. We'll see if that's the case next chapter, methinks. (In a seinen manga, I would expect it to act as a sort of chainsaw - totally buzzsawing Kakuzu's body to pieces and sending body parts, not to mention blood, everywhere - fatality, anybody? - but this is a shonen, so we better move on, heh...)

And anybody who wanted a long-range jutsu, have no fear. That Kishimoto acknowledged here via Chouji that Naruto's RasenShuriken was probably going to be perceived initially as a long-range jutsu would seem to imply that such an attack isn't far off.

I do think that at some point Naruto will have an extremely powerful long-range Rasengan attack. But I suppose it's not time right now. Naruto's only 50% or less complete with his "ultimate jutsu," after all.


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Stubborn as always!

9. Individual vs Teamwork? Naruto's determination to try again didn't surprise me here. That's just like him - if at first he doesn't succeed, he'll stay up days and nights doing the same thing until he finally does! Heh. So would it be any different against Kakuzu? Sure, he's more likely to get killed trying the same jutsu on an Akatsuki over and over than he would against an unmoving tree or a rushing waterfall, but I always thought that Naruto's ability to improvise on the spot was his strength. And that doesn't often come in play unless he's really threatened, and he always seemed to gain new skills as a result.

And look at that, by the way. Naruto's eyes haven't changed one bit the entire chapter - they're still Nine-Tails eyes! Yet he hasn't lost control at all of himself at all the whole time! Has this ever happened before where he isn't completely berserking at all during the entire battle? I can't remember it. Sure, he's probably not raging with furious emotion right now as he would be at the sight of a kukukuin' Orochimaru or a dead Gaara body, but still. Could he be finally getting more stronger mentally, keeping the Kyuubi down inside himself? You gotta hand it to Naruto either way, he's always had the Kyuubi to back him up before, and now he can't exactly rely on that 'get out of jail free' card to save his skin anymore. All he's got right now is himself, and he still has the guts to go against the Akatsuki without help.


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Good ol' Kakashi, always interested in teamwork.

And now about teamwork. I'm extremely glad to see Kishimoto remember that Kakashi would naturally be interested in fighting together, especially against such a formidable opponent. Sure, Kakashi gave Naruto his chance to try to end it all right away, but at the time, he wasn't exactly in the best of shape anyway. Chouji and Ino had so far proved to be somewhat undependable in the battle. Sure, there's Yamato, and Kakashi and Yamato showed some definite powerful teamwork just a while ago, but Kakashi's chakra was probably about to run out. So I don't blame the silver-haired jounin for deciding to give Naruto his shot at first.

But after seeing Naruto fail at hitting Kakuzu with his jutsu, I was glad to see Kakashi suggest teamwork as an alternative. Would have been out of character otherwise for him not to even consider it what with there being five of the Konoha nins there against one single enemy. Especially an Akatsuki. Think of a knight going to face off against a gigantic, fire-breathing red dragon, while four wizards behind him - all good friends of his - don't do anything to help him out and don't even consider it. Would have been odd.


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Not too modest, huh?

10. Crossing the Bridge. I don't blame Naruto, though, for preferring to try to take on the opponent by himself, this time. His first attempt was nearly a success. That he botched the job didn't mean that a second effort would be a waste of time. His instinct was probably telling him that he would be able to win this battle if he could figure out a way to get closer to Kakuzu. Although I have no idea what he has in mind at this time - I won't even try to speculate - I'm sure he'll come up with an entirely different method, since he's probably not stupid enough to try completely the same tactic again (though, this is Naruto we're talking about, so I shouldn't be so sure >.> )

Anyway, in order to surpass Sasuke, and to reach his dreams of being Hokage, Naruto does have to risk a little more than others, I think. I don't believe that he's ignoring the importance of teamwork here, he just wants a chance to test his RasenShuriken again against Kakuzu, because he knew that he still had a long way to go before he could catch Sasuke. And that a favorable result in this battle would probably make him more confident in being able to match up to him at a later point. Would make him feel like he's making progress.

I believe that Kishimoto intended for this chapter to remind us all that Naruto wasn't exactly the most talent-laden kid ever - that he isn't the same type of genius as Sasuke, who immediately can precisely perform his techniques almost flawlessly and with a higher percentage of success in a first try. Naruto, by comparison, had to be more of a hard worker - a stubborn kid that never knew when to stop - and somebody who has to take more time getting better. As Hinata once called him, Naruto is a "proud failure," who never gave up. And eventually he always wins in the end.

I've heard Naruto being called a "total loser" lately. This upsets me. I vehemently do not agree with that line of thought. In my opinion, a "total loser" is somebody who never tries to get off his butt to do anything worthwhile in life. Naruto obviously is not like that.


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Oh well, can't talk him out of it...

Incidentally, the last exchange between Kakashi and Yamato at the end of the chapter happened to remind me of when Kakashi scolded Gai for daring to try to teach Rock Lee such a risky technique as opening the gates, during the Chuunin Exams. Remember? And then afterwards, after Rock Lee had been defeated by Gaara, Kakashi apologized to Gai, saying that he probably wouldn't have been able to stop his student, either. (http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/9144/naruto10610ah6.jpg) Heh.

Well, guess what. It's happening.

So what's going to happen now? Tune in next week and find out...!

RATING: 5 of 5 - Whenever there is an abundance of the images in a Comments I wrote, it's a good bet that I thoroughly enjoyed the art. In fact, I would probably have rated the chapter a 5 because of the art alone! But more than that, the chapter felt like a full one. It offered a whole lot of good old-fashioned shonen drama. Even though Naruto didn't succeed with his jutsu - and maybe that was exactly why, actually - this chapter felt so much like some of the old Part 1 chapters that used to thrill me so much. Maybe Kishimoto's finally getting his storytelling magic back. We'll have to wait and see if it continues to be the case. Hopefully so!

Predictions: I'm pretty clueless I have to admit. So I won't bother this week, heh. Feel free to tell me if you have any good ideas.


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You got me there, Porcupine Boy!
Comment!

Athena
February 01, 2007, 08:51 PM
Both reviews for Naruto this week have given this chapter a very high rating which I find very inappropriate and to certain point even annoying. Now before chopping my head off (poor me!) let me say that I too write reviews for bleach so I hope this little criticism doesn’t offend anyone. i know how hard it is write a review and put all those pictures. You always do a great job so If you find this annoying, feel free to delete it :)

Let me be honest with you, oh boy, I HATE this chapter. It makes me wanna kill kishimoto. I’ve said this in one of my posts; I think he is completely out of touch with his fans. Either that or Money is the only thing he cares about in which case it’s sad; very sad indeed. A hero or a lead character in a series has to have some qualifications. Now my question is what qualities does Naruto have? What can he do that others are unable? Producing enormous amount of Chakra with his kyubi? Great, Sasuke has already taken care of that. Does he know many high ranking jutsus? No. Does he have a battle plan before engaging in one? Absolutely not. My god those are just the basics. Now, does he act stupid all the time? Yes. Is it funny? Hell no.
This chapter was what we were waiting for since late 2005 but it’s now a missed opportunity. He is the same old Naruto. No amount of preaching from other characters can change that. I don’t want to hear baseless praise from other characters in regard to Naruto’s abilities, I want to see him being capable of protecting himself ALONE, without the help of others. Let’s think about this, do you think Naruto could last a single second if he was in Kakuzu’s shoes? Could he really fight 5 opponents without the help of the kyubi inside of him?

Now another thing, which one of the characters in the show has had the privileges that Naruto has enjoyed over the last 3-4 years? Have a one-on-one training with a Sanin, have Kakashi as his Sensei and still being so goddamn useless. It is not a crime if some of us want to see him beating an opponent without making a complete ass of himself ONCE in every blue moon. He has to be able to do that much at least. When was the last time he won a battle? When was the last time he showed us something extraordinary? Maybe you can help me in his part.

And let me finish this by saying nothing in the series annoys me more than the comparison between Naruto and Yondaime. In what aspect those two are similar? I have no idea why kishimoto insists on this ridiculous, baseless evaluation but if by doing so he wants us to have respect for Naruto I’m afraid to say he failed miserably.
If any, this chapter deserved 0.25 out of 5 just for the art. and I'm being very merciful.

manu
February 01, 2007, 09:28 PM
I don't want to be another flamer but I need to defend Ino. She's a ninja ^^; and last I checked if it weren't for here Hidan and Kazuku would both be at the village and Naruto and co. would have no idea what to attack. And there is no way any of the other chuunins could dare spy on an akatsuki like her. Remember that her jutsu is a double edged sword, if the Akatsuki members had Itachi level genjutsu she would have been burned and probably dead by now. So please don't diss her anymore, she talks big because she already did her job. Now its Naruto's time to do his job. I don't judge chapters but I judge characters and right now I'm not feeling the love for Naruto. Story telling wise though I don't mind but yeah Naruto becoming Hokage is a little farfetched at this point.

Ichimaru Gin n Tonic
February 01, 2007, 09:32 PM
Awesome comment, GK! And i agree with you about the art on this chapter (since i havent really read the last several chapters of Naruto :D). I especially like the one Kishimoto draw that you use for #2. I also like the one where Yamato's extending his arm to create all those wodden spikes to (at least try to) attack Kakuzu.

Anyway, I think Kakashi's a bit tired after facing those troublesome Akatsuki and saving Naruto with that "Karate Chop", he was crouching down as if he's catching his breath while trying to come up with something. :D

dimska
February 01, 2007, 10:13 PM
Very nice comments Gold Knight! I have to say I loved the art of this chapter too!
I just hope the art of the chapter in which he actually hits Kakuzu will be as good.

Hopefully it will be next chapter: what could be better to celebrate the beginning of the shippuden than a partly colored chapter with Naruto earning his whirlwind title?

I am a bit more ambivalent about this chapter: what happened in it was necessary and nice but I feel like it could have been shrunk in an other issue (Was it really necessary to show the explanation of Kakuzu's ability for a second or third time?)

The most positive aspect of this chapter in my view was indeed Naruto's failure (still good old Naruto) but mostly because it meant that Kishimoto had tricked us very good.

Without the spoilers I would have been so pis**d at seeing the rasenshuuriken disappear after all the great art and all the Naruto>Yondaime praise.

I loved that because it meant Kishimoto can still stirr great emotions for us and that really made we want to write a review ( but thermal hydraulics seem to be against me on that one today...).

You have to love a writer that has the guts to trample if but for one chapter the expectations he took a year to create!

kadodo
February 01, 2007, 10:27 PM
I have to say that your review really made me like this chapter a whole lot more.
I think this chapter was made for us to love the next chapter even better. And as you said, I like the fact that naruto wanted to fight on his own. My favorite part in the chapter was when Naruto told kakashi to not keep him from crossing that bridge. I was surprised at myself to that the actions were not my favorite part in this chapter.

It came as a surprise to a lot of us that the RasenShuuriken was not a long-range jutsu. Personally, I like it the way it is because it will have more effect (like a punch). We don't like to see attacks with the Shuuriken anyways. If the jutsu were ever to become long range it will have to be super fast.

One thing I'm wondering now, is what will Naruto try in order to attack kakuzu the next time? We can see that naruto is definitely stronger mentally but how are his bunshins going to help this time? One thought I came with was Naruto coming from undeground but that's probably impossible since the jutsu is kinda big. Anyways, I want Naruto to hit Kakuzu in the next chapter but the question is will he take out one heart, two hearts or three at the same time? It's most likely impossible but that will be cool it it happened.

I did not also like the fact that Ino and Chouji were already bashing Naruto when he failed the jutsu. I just want to see them shut their mouth in the next chapter when naruto hits Kakuzu (if not even kill him one more time).

As you said, I think there was a lot of great arts in this chapter, the diversions with bunshins were just great. I don't know if you knew this before but the drawings in the next chapter are going to be better since some of the pages will be colored. Imagine if we see Kakuzu done for in the next chapter colored. That would be great wouldn't it?
It's been a while since they did not have some colored pages. It was about time. Can't wait for next week.

I disagree with "inana" up there because I don't think Kishimoto is out of touch with his fans. I know you're mad because you as a fan did not see what you wanted to see. I think Kishimoto made Naruto fail the jutsu in order to makeus know or I should say remember what Naruto is truly fighting for. I would have hate this chapter if they decided to go 5 against 1 and Naruto did not say anything. That would have proved that Naruto was just a pathetic ninja with no sel-esteem. However, Kishimoto put Naruto in the spot again to reattact Kakuzu. I know we might have our differences but that just what I thought.

Overall, GK I agreed with everything in your review this week. The rating is good also, I would have probably given it a 4.5 but a 5 is good as well. My prrediction is we might not see the whole fight in the next chapter (I truly do not hope so but it might happen)

glasskatana
February 01, 2007, 10:48 PM
I will comment more later, but I have one quick thing to say.

On comment 9, that's exactly what I said in your previous 10 comments. :nuts Honestly, there are few things in this world that make me happier than Naruto in control while his eyes are kyuubified. Makes me feel all warm inside. >.>

Also, I loved the art this chapter as well. And the scene with the three clones rushing at kakuzu reminded me of some chapter cover or something where Naruto is running and we have a close-up of the bottom of his shoe. Maybe I'm just imagining it, but I could have sworn I saw it somewhere.

Anyway, great comments for a great chapter. :thumbs

sabyr
February 01, 2007, 10:57 PM
awesome review GK! I agree with everything you said really. What else CAN there be said?

As always, this was great!

P.S. I have a question. if I want to review blue dragon, where should I go?
After I finish my HQ scan of the new Blue Dragon I am planning on writing a review(or if you would that would be awesome, lol. you're loads better at it most likely).[br]Posted on: February 01, 2007, 10:56:35 PM_________________________________________________

And the scene with the three clones rushing at kakuzu reminded me of some chapter cover or something where Naruto is running and we have a close-up of the bottom of his shoe. Maybe I'm just imagining it, but I could have sworn I saw it somewhere.

Anyway, great comments for a great chapter. :thumbs


I think you're thinking of a picture from the anime in the end credits or something. it has the exact same view almost.

Gold Knight
February 01, 2007, 11:16 PM
Both reviews for Naruto this week have given this chapter a very high rating which I find very inappropriate and to certain point even annoying. Now before chopping my head off (poor me!) let me say that I too write reviews for bleach so I hope this little criticism doesn’t offend anyone. i know how hard it is write a review and put all those pictures. You always do a great job so If you find this annoying, feel free to delete it :)

Let me be honest with you, oh boy, I HATE this chapter. It makes me wanna kill kishimoto. I’ve said this in one of my posts; I think he is completely out of touch with his fans. Either that or Money is the only thing he cares about in which case it’s sad; very sad indeed. A hero or a lead character in a series has to have some qualifications. Now my question is what qualities does Naruto have? What can he do that others are unable? Producing enormous amount of Chakra with his kyubi? Great, Sasuke has already taken care of that. Does he know many high ranking jutsus? No. Does he have a battle plan before engaging in one? Absolutely not. My god those are just the basics. Now, does he act stupid all the time? Yes. Is it funny? Hell no.
This chapter was what we were waiting for since late 2005 but it’s now a missed opportunity. He is the same old Naruto. No amount of preaching from other characters can change that. I don’t want to hear baseless praise from other characters in regard to Naruto’s abilities, I want to see him being capable of protecting himself ALONE, without the help of others. Let’s think about this, do you think Naruto could last a single second if he was in Kakuzu’s shoes? Could he really fight 5 opponents without the help of the kyubi inside of him?

Now another thing, which one of the characters in the show has had the privileges that Naruto has enjoyed over the last 3-4 years? Have a one-on-one training with a Sanin, have Kakashi as his Sensei and still being so goddamn useless. It is not a crime if some of us want to see him beating an opponent without making a complete ass of himself ONCE in every blue moon. He has to be able to do that much at least. When was the last time he won a battle? When was the last time he showed us something extraordinary? Maybe you can help me in his part.

And let me finish this by saying nothing in the series annoys me more than the comparison between Naruto and Yondaime. In what aspect those two are similar? I have no idea why kishimoto insists on this ridiculous, baseless evaluation but if by doing so he wants us to have respect for Naruto I’m afraid to say he failed miserably.
If any, this chapter deserved 0.25 out of 5 just for the art. and I'm being very merciful.



A difference of opinion doesn't bother me actually. It fascinates me. I just find it interesting to find out why people don't like this and that or why people might have enjoyed the chapter, but sometimes perhaps for completely different reasons. You obviously saw the chapter in a whole different light from what I did, which intrigues me as I find out more about what might have been improved on in it, so don't worry about making me upset or anything like that. (Just don't call Naruto a "total loser," lol.)

Anyway, I understand your frustration with Naruto's slow progress. But I have to like that Kishimoto made him a character that is not your typical fast learner like so many other protagonists. Sure, he's a dunce, but as long as he doesn't give up his morals, or stops trying his best, I have no problems. Dunces who become winners despite their weaknesses exist a lot in real life, too. It's Naruto's weaknesses and strengths both that are so compelling to me, that is, in how Kishimoto balances these in order to make his growth so fun to watch. I don't want him to turn in another Goku, as I said in last week's Comments. I want Naruto to be more human and still flawed. I have patience in him because I can see him doing more and not to mention he's going up against S-ranked criminals, I can't imagine the story getting any more exciting if Naruto is able to beat them all easily, and becomes more adept at ninjutsu than even Sasuke. Then what else would be left for us to be interested in reading about?

And I think other characters have been under pretty impressive teachers as well - Sakura and Sasuke both had Kakashi as their sensei as well, and they went on to train under the two other Sannin. But that's the obvious example. There's also Shikamaru, who received advice from both his father and Asuma. But sometimes it's not an actual person that is the best teacher, it's just battle experience. Hinata, for example, showed the most character development when she was fighting against Neji. Ditto with Neji himself, actually, when he went up against Naruto. And so forth. If you think about it, Naruto actually doesn't seem to have accumulated that much real fighting experience in his training with Jiraiya. Though I wouldn't put it past Jiraiya to not pull his punches - I don't think Naruto ever felt like he was in a life-and-death experience. Often, anyway. And that's where I think Naruto is at his best.

Regarding Naruto's comparison with Yondaime, I think Kishimoto intended for Kakashi to see the potential in Naruto to surpass the Fourth, but it's obvious Naruto hasn't - yet. Probably not 'til the end of the series. If he really had surpassed Yondaime already, then the series would be over right now. He'd be Hokage. But the thing here is, potential. Naruto himself knows he hasn't reached that point where he could dare to compare himself with the greatest hero in the village. He's acknowledged that he can't be seen that way 'til he saves his friend Sasuke, because he would consider himself a failure if he didn't accomplish that goal. And that's exactly why he wants to try again against Kakuzu, because he wants to try to break through that barrier - from being his usual klutz self, to always being a "kid" as he just said in the chapter, to something extraordinary.

So it may be not a bad idea to tune in next week.



I don't want to be another flamer but I need to defend Ino. She's a ninja ^^; and last I checked if it weren't for here Hidan and Kazuku would both be at the village and Naruto and co. would have no idea what to attack. And there is no way any of the other chuunins could dare spy on an akatsuki like her. Remember that her jutsu is a double edged sword, if the Akatsuki members had Itachi level genjutsu she would have been burned and probably dead by now. So please don't diss her anymore, she talks big because she already did her job. Now its Naruto's time to do his job. I don't judge chapters but I judge characters and right now I'm not feeling the love for Naruto. Story telling wise though I don't mind but yeah Naruto becoming Hokage is a little farfetched at this point.


Granted Ino helped them to find Kakuzu and Hidan, but beyond that, she's just stood around with her mouth open. I know her normal ability is a bit inconvenient but she should have just stayed out of the battle if she wasn't going to be a big help instead of standing around in plain sight and having to be protected by Kakashi every time Kakuzu attacks.

Which has been the case for a while :p

(Besides, Naruto, Yamato, Sakura, and Sai seemed to find them easy enough without Ino's amazing scouting jutsu. As I'm sure many other Konoha nins can, ie. Neji and Hinata.)

Anyway, I'm not trying to diss any characters. I don't hate anybody in the series. I'm hoping to see more from Ino in the future, that's all.



Awesome comment, GK! And i agree with you about the art on this chapter (since i havent really read the last several chapters of Naruto :D). I especially like the one Kishimoto draw that you use for #2. I also like the one where Yamato's extending his arm to create all those wodden spikes to (at least try to) attack Kakuzu.

Yeah, it's a bit reminiscent of when Sasori tried to extend his puppet's arms to reach Sakura though. But different. Yamato sometimes seems to me as being as powerful as Kakuzu, I wonder if he couldn't be able to beat him pretty handily in an one on one battle, actually... well, I suppose the katon mask would be a problem for him.


Anyway, I think Kakashi's a bit tired after facing those troublesome Akatsuki and saving Naruto with that "Karate Chop", he was crouching down as if he's catching his breath while trying to come up with something. :D


Yeah, I think so too. He's probably exhausted, but his brain is all he needs to think of a good strategy for them. Thanks for commenting Ichi :)



Very nice comments Gold Knight! I have to say I loved the art of this chapter too!
I just hope the art of the chapter in which he actually hits Kakuzu will be as good.

Hopefully it will be next chapter: what could be better to celebrate the beginning of the shippuden than a partly colored chapter with Naruto earning his whirlwind title?

I really hope the doublespread will be something other than a usual two-page cover completely unrelated to the chapter... but it usually isn't *sigh* - anyway, I'm not really getting my hopes too high for colored pages in Naruto anymore. But yeah, that would be neat :)


I am a bit more ambivalent about this chapter: what happened in it was necessary and nice but I feel like it could have been shrunk in an other issue (Was it really necessary to show the explanation of Kakuzu's ability for a second or third time?)

Explanation of Kakuzu's ability? I didn't see another "briefing" about it - hopefully there wasn't one. If there was, I missed it. >.>


The most positive aspect of this chapter in my view was indeed Naruto's failure (still good old Naruto) but mostly because it meant that Kishimoto had tricked us very good.

Without the spoilers I would have been so pis**d at seeing the rasenshuuriken disappear after all the great art and all the Naruto>Yondaime praise.

I loved that because it meant Kishimoto can still stirr great emotions for us and that really made we want to write a review ( but thermal hydraulics seem to be against me on that one today...).

You have to love a writer that has the guts to trample if but for one chapter the expectations he took a year to create!


Well, Naruto's the comeback kid. I'm sure he'll come through next week.



I have to say that your review really made me like this chapter a whole lot more.
I think this chapter was made for us to love the next chapter even better. And as you said, I like the fact that naruto wanted to fight on his own. My favorite part in the chapter was when Naruto told kakashi to not keep him from crossing that bridge. I was surprised at myself to that the actions were not my favorite part in this chapter.

Cool that my review helped you like it better. :) And the action parts were something I didn't notice at first, but grew to better appreciate as I was writing the review, I think, actually. Suddenly I found that I loved the chapter. That's the way it goes for me sometimes.


It came as a surprise to a lot of us that the RasenShuuriken was not a long-range jutsu. Personally, I like it the way it is because it will have more effect (like a punch). We don't like to see attacks with the Shuuriken anyways. If the jutsu were ever to become long range it will have to be super fast.

That's true... and I can't imagine something that big being particularly fast when thrown, not like Asuma's knuckle blades...


One thing I'm wondering now, is what will Naruto try in order to attack kakuzu the next time? We can see that naruto is definitely stronger mentally but how are his bunshins going to help this time? One thought I came with was Naruto coming from undeground but that's probably impossible since the jutsu is kinda big. Anyways, I want Naruto to hit Kakuzu in the next chapter but the question is will he take out one heart, two hearts or three at the same time? It's most likely impossible but that will be cool it it happened.

Yeah, I have no idea what will happen next. I do hope he will take out at least one or two of Kakuzu's heart in a single stroke though.


I did not also like the fact that Ino and Chouji were already bashing Naruto when he failed the jutsu. I just want to see them shut their mouth in the next chapter when naruto hits Kakuzu (if not even kill him one more time).

Yeah, it was annoying that they went from cheerleaders to boobirds. That's what set me off on Ino particularly.


As you said, I think there was a lot of great arts in this chapter, the diversions with bunshins were just great. I don't know if you knew this before but the drawings in the next chapter are going to be better since some of the pages will be colored. Imagine if we see Kakuzu done for in the next chapter colored. That would be great wouldn't it?
It's been a while since they did not have some colored pages. It was about time. Can't wait for next week.

Color doesn't necessarily always mean the drawings are going to be better... depending on what the situation is I think. I think Kishimoto did out-do himself on this chapter as far as the art, so I'd be impressed if he kept it up another week.



Overall, GK I agreed with everything in your review this week. The rating is good also, I would have probably given it a 4.5 but a 5 is good as well. My prrediction is we might not see the whole fight in the next chapter (I truly do not hope so but it might happen)


Nah, it won't. The Akatsuki always take a while to beat. Thanks for the support, kadodo. :)



I will comment more later, but I have one quick thing to say.

On comment 9, that's exactly what I said in your previous 10 comments. :nuts Honestly, there are few things in this world that make me happier than Naruto in control while his eyes are kyuubified. Makes me feel all warm inside. >.>

Also, I loved the art this chapter as well. And the scene with the three clones rushing at kakuzu reminded me of some chapter cover or something where Naruto is running and we have a close-up of the bottom of his shoe. Maybe I'm just imagining it, but I could have sworn I saw it somewhere.

Anyway, great comments for a great chapter. :thumbs


Yeah, that was a particularly well-designed panel. Thanks :)



awesome review GK! I agree with everything you said really. What else CAN there be said?

As always, this was great!

P.S. I have a question. if I want to review blue dragon, where should I go?
After I finish my HQ scan of the new Blue Dragon I am planning on writing a review(or if you would that would be awesome, lol. you're loads better at it most likely).[br]Posted on: February 01, 2007, 10:56:35 PM_________________________________________________
I think you're thinking of a picture from the anime in the end credits or something. it has the exact same view almost.


I'd like to do Blue Dragon but at the moment I would have to have a lot of free time to write reviews, and that probably won't happen 'til March. So have fun with it sabyr. You can go ahead and review it at the Blue Dragon section under Adventure Manga. It'll likely garner more attention there than anywhere else.

dimska
February 01, 2007, 11:32 PM
I am a bit more ambivalent about this chapter: what happened in it was necessary and nice but I feel like it could have been shrunk in an other issue (Was it really necessary to show the explanation of Kakuzu's ability for a second or third time?)

Explanation of Kakuzu's ability? I didn't see another "briefing" about it - hopefully there wasn't one. If there was, I missed it. >.>


Well I suppose I wasn't very clear. I meant that he could have for example shortened the explanation of Kakuzu's ability in chapter 339 in order to show us a bit more in that chapter and so on.

The thing is that I have a bit the feeling that Kishimoto has watered down the last five chapters or so to make Shippuden chronicles anime beginning and Kakuzu's pawnage ( which would inaugurate the birth of Naruto, the Shippuden ninja) coïncide.

But I guess I'm just paranoïd :-)

venicia777
February 01, 2007, 11:39 PM
This was the first of your comments i have read that made me laugh. The title for comment four was absolutely hilarious :p

and i agree somewhat with inana (not the insult part). i wont write much. although i expected Naruto to at least mess up a little against an Akatsuki of the caliber of the eternal kakuzu--- Kishimoto made him almost soo disappointing. I mean as for me- i was expecting anything. But upon visiting about 4 naruto sites today-- almost every complained soo much about Naruto's portrayal in this chapter that i havent seen for any naruto chapter ever. No wonder the disappointment caught up with me too.


Anyways- my only issue with this chapter was what you discussed in point 1. i mean-- i dont get it. and probably wouldnt be convinced in a long while. For somebody with soo much experience as Kakuzu, soo fast that Kakashi, ino, chouji couldnt escape his tendrils-- allowed Naruto to sneak up on him. Even though Kakuzu himself commented that Naruto;s jutsu was monstrous. and he took his eyes off of the one holding the jutsu. and it wasnt even that Naruto had super speed or something. i dont think it was overconfidence either (for kakuzu's slow reaction)

anyways-- great comments.

CheckMate
February 02, 2007, 02:12 AM
Some points I have just made:

1. When Naruto managed to hit Kakuzu, did you notice that Kakuzu might have tried to stop Naruto, by extending his right arm?

2. Kakashi's reaction when saving Naruto's ass reminds me so much of when Yondaime saved Kakashi in the old days. History repeats itself. Kakashi is living up to his name too, of course.

3. I think Kakashi has once again used his Chidori. That chop technique maybe, like you said is just an chakra manipulation, but I dont think it can cut the wires (whatever you say it), if it was not as powerful as Chidori.

Anyway, another great comments.

Thanks for that.

Raseru
February 02, 2007, 02:50 AM
Great comments as always, GK! :kkthumbs

I can't really add onto anything here as you said most of it. Plus, I totally agree on the art. Kishi just keeps amazing us with it's brilliance. I also liked the panel showing Naruto being Naruto...

But I'm glad you and others liked this chapter (I know I did). It's true, maybe Kishi is getting his storytelling mojo back.

Anyways thanks!

xi0
February 02, 2007, 03:29 AM
Obviously, you do not want to be in front of these masks when they open fire, that's for sure. Talk about a couple of unfortunate bunshins! (I kind of wish we would have gotten to see what the "Earth" mask would be able to do before it was destroyed. Spit out rocks?)

I'm not sure if this was mentioned before or not, but Kakuzu doesn't have an "Earth(Doton) Mask". The mask that Kakashi destroyed when he impaled Kakazu was not Doton, but in fact Suiton(Water). The reason I and many others believe this is because Kakuzu's original "heart" has Doton chakra abilities. Don't forget that even after the first mask was destroyed, he was able to use that Doton jutsu that hardened his skin. Obviously, if the first mask was Doton, he would likely be unable to used Doton techniques. This is why people believe the first mask was Suiton. That and the fact that Kakuzu has yet to use a Suiton technique, despite the fact that he said he could use all five chakra natures due to his ability to assimilate other ninja's hearts.

KaiserRyuujin
February 02, 2007, 04:09 AM
Regarding Naruto's comparison with Yondaime, I think Kishimoto intended for Kakashi to see the potential in Naruto to surpass the Fourth, but it's obvious Naruto hasn't - yet. Probably not 'til the end of the series. If he really had surpassed Yondaime already, then the series would be over right now. He'd be Hokage. But the thing here is, potential. Naruto himself knows he hasn't reached that point where he could dare to compare himself with the greatest hero in the village. He's acknowledged that he can't be seen that way 'til he saves his friend Sasuke, because he would consider himself a failure if he didn't accomplish that goal. And that's exactly why he wants to try again against Kakuzu, because he wants to try to break through that barrier - from being his usual klutz self, to always being a "kid" as he just said in the chapter, to something extraordinary.

Agreed sir, since well lets face it. Yondaime being a character that needed to die before the series could get started.

As I have seen things, people are definitely searching for that "Super Man" complex in Naruto. Or otherwise him being "pwnerific" Yondaime style. But thats something I appreciate with this manga, Naruto's tough and all. But he gets beat down, and he isnt supreme god of the universe. As you said, the series would be over otherwise if he was at such a high status.

(Hmm its late, god I hope I made some form of sense and not just non-coherent babbling :s )

Anyway, a great review there Gold Knight, enjoyed the read and definitely brought out some nice points to the chapter. Thanks! :thumbs

Navid.
February 02, 2007, 08:38 AM
Before I present my own views on the issues that you have brought up in your comments, I would like to that it is an absolutely pleasure to read your comments every week (even though I haven’t had the time to offer my own opinion on them for some time now due to a stupid amount of work and assignments) and never ever change your writing style… :kkthumbs




1. Slow to React!? Now, okay, this is the main problem I had with this chapter (but the only one, happily). That is, I don't understand why Kakuzu wouldn't pay attention to the Naruto with the RasenShuriken regardless of the three bunshins charging at him. After all, that jutsu was particularly eye-catching, mostly likely very bright, and I'd think Kakuzu wouldn't be as worried about three bunshins with kunais (which likely wouldn't have even gotten that close to piercing each of his three hearts) and try to deal with the more immediate threat immediately - especially knowing now that Naruto was the Nine-Tailed Fox. And here, it was painfully obvious, I think, that Naruto intended for his three bunshins to be distractions to Kakuzu, because as the duplicates moved towards him, we could see that the Naruto in the back was starting to move around the area to try to find an opportunistic spot to attack…

Before reading your commnets I would have argued that people are not giving the boy enough credit for having created a opening in Kakuzu’s defences, let me explain why: In my mind Naruto is not only showing his speed, but also the amount of co-ordination and teamwork that has been put into the use of his Bushins during this instance is of a different level that what he normally uses them for.

Also another factor for why so many people don’t understand Kakuzu would lose track of Naruto while fending off the Bushins could be the display and use of the Kage-Bushin jutsu during all previous fights… it’s not too far fetched to say it has fast become a very easy/stupid way for Naruto to provide the enemy with a array of targets for them to warm up on. I think this may be the first instance that the series has shown why this technique was deemed so dangerous by the First Hokage.

But even I after having read your views on the matter have to now say that, yes there probably was a bit of plot-jutsu involved to present Naruto with said opening in Kakuzu’s defence.



2. No Helping! This time I'm glad that Kishimoto at least gave an excuse for why Yamato, Kakashi, Chouji, and Ino were all just staying back instead of assisting Naruto. (As one of my friends put it to me on messenger once, he thought that they were just going to sit back there and play a deck of cards while Naruto had to do all the work!)

That is, apparently, Naruto's new jutsu would have created a sort of unpredictable tempest - or perhaps an explosion (more likely, seeing the crater that Naruto once created while training with Yamato) - that might harm others close to Naruto at the time.
Well, at least Chouji did try to move to help out. Good for him. Maybe there's some hope for him after all. Ino, though...

I don’t really have much to add to what you have said, other than agree that its good to hear a reason why Naruto went into this fight by him self, even though I feel the potential collateral damage from the jutsu wasn’t the only reason, I mean Kakashi took the impact of it head on whit his own Rasengan and he seems pretty alive. I think Yamoto (and pretty much anyone else who knows Naruto) knows that he wanted this opponent for himself. And I have to say I like that kind of selfish attitude, which reminds me somewhat of Gon from Hunter X Hunter… And that ties things neatly to the card playing comment (all you HxH fans should know the scene I’m thinking off ;)).



3. Fast and Furious! All right, here's the thing. I absolutely loved the art in this chapter. By that, I mean that I was utterly, completely impressed. How come?

Yes I agree completely with you on this point, that is the without a doubt the best “bottom of a shoe” art I have ever seen…:o :smile-big :p



In this panel, something did confuse me. Was Kakuzu only able to concentrate on one bunshin at a time with his black tendrils, in order to ward him off? Why not take care of them all at the same time? But then, maybe, it was that Kakuzu just knew that the masks on each of his shoulders would be able to take care of the other two, since he probably managed to glimpse that they were coming at him from both sides.

This is probably where I believe the plot-jutsu came into effect, why didn’t Kakuzu use his tendrils to take care of all the Bushins instead of using his mask to do the job… :eyeroll


Obviously, you do not want to be in front of these masks when they open fire, that's for sure. Talk about a couple of unfortunate bunshins! (I kind of wish we would have gotten to see what the "Earth" mask would be able to do before it was destroyed. Spit out rocks?)

And here we have Kakuzu being completely distracted and thus being unable to move around in time to be able to fend off the most dangerous enemy - the real Naruto himself, armed with what Kakuzu himself recognized as a "monstrous jutsu." This goes back to what I said in the first comment, where I really don't think that it should have been so easy for Naruto to catch Kakuzu off aware. But it happened, so...

This further shows that if Kakuzu had only used his tendrils to deal with the Bushins then Naruto would have a mouthful of elemental jutsu spewed in his face…

Which brings me to two more issues, first is that it seems like Kakuzu masks have what can be best described as a cool-down period after having shot out a jutsu, which might be used by Naruto to his advantage during round 2 of this fight.

Now onto the second issue, Kakuzu must have recognised that Naruto’s Fuuton RasenShuriken (wow, can’t wait to hear Naruto scream that out every time he attacks someone with it in the anime) is wind based, why has he not used more fire based attacks towards it?? :blink



4. Behold!!! The Terrifying Force of... What? Heh, well, so Naruto didn't succeed after all. But gotta say, he certainly scared Kakuzu - note he closed one of his eyes, one of his hands span out wildly, unintentionally (I think) and out of pure fear, and he fell back almost cringingly! Just an awesome doublespread.

Somewhat amusing too, that I think the RasenShuriken flickered out just as Naruto got to point blank territory. But I'll comment on why I found it rather inventive of Kishimoto to do such a scene in a few minutes.

Again this is Kishimoto art at its best. I have to say though, when I look at that picture I feel that Kakuzu’s hand is one last attempt at a counter which Naruto has managed to dodge rather than unintentional movement.

Also I can’t help but think that Kakuzu would have been left with one less heart if Naruto had used a completed jutsu like the normal Rasengan instead of his 50% completed ResenShuriken.

Oh and I have to say I absolutely loved your analysis of the expressions and thoughts of the two sensei’s (in part 5) after Naruto failing to pull off the attack… there really wasn’t anything else I could have added to that. :)



6. The Ultimate Teamwork!? Kakashi and Yamato working together??? Sweet! Talk about eye candy. Two of my favorite characters in the series so far (yes, I was a big fan of Yamato since he first appeared, too) actually participating in an actual battle together.

Very cool that Kakashi had but to say something to Yamato, and he was already on it. They were both on Kakuzu so fast that it probably made his head spin a bit.

I have to agree it was pleasure to watch this pair in action, and using great teamwork as well as combining their usage of long-range and close-range combat methods so effectively. :hi5



Something I really wanted to know here, when Yamato was trying to catch the Akatsuki flat-footed with his wooden spikes, was whether Kakuzu thought he was fighting Shodai all over again or not… Well, it would have been fun to see Kakuzu at least mention or think something about Shodai here, giving us a little bit of insight into his previous battle with the founder of Konohagakure - but maybe that's still coming up.

I have to agree that I was and have been expecting some kind of outburst on this matter from Kakuzu ever since he saw Yamoto’s abilities. Hopefully (not holding my breath though, considering all the other issues Kishi have left unresolved over the span of the series) we will get some kind of deeper insight into that fight.



7. No Respect...! I found it extremely irksome that Ino went so far as say that Naruto was still the same Naruto, and didn't seem to show any proper respect to a comrade that at least tried to get something done, unlike her... in the entire battle! Naruto's done more than her to this point, and he just arrived!

But I do think Ino will be one of these ones to be expanded on - I just don't like her right now.

I have to agree, but I also think that it is the kind of chatter that friends give each other sometimes without actually meaning anything by it… I have to say though Naruto’s classic WTF expression made it all worthwhile. ;) :smile-big

Also I honestly have to say I would much rather have Kishi expand on many other of his other characters before doing anymore on Ino.



8. So Much For Frisbee. I found it almost hilarious that Chouji voiced exactly what I think the majority of the readers here had hoped to have seen happen with the RasenShuriken. Okay, so it wasn't designed to be a long-range jutsu. How come?

Okay, so let me guess now that we know it's supposed to be a short-range jutsu. The RasenShuriken was probably supposed to pick up Kakuzu up into the air and violently whirl him around and then, as a finishing touch, slam him down into the ground with such a huge impact that the earth blows up - hence the crater we saw before. We'll see if that's the case next chapter, methinks. (In a seinen manga, I would expect it to act as a sort of chainsaw - totally buzzsawing Kakuzu's body to pieces and sending body parts, not to mention blood, everywhere - fatality, anybody? - but this is a shonen, so we better move on, heh...)

And anybody who wanted a long-range jutsu, have no fear. That Kishimoto acknowledged here via Chouji that Naruto's RasenShuriken was probably going to be perceived initially as a long-range jutsu would seem to imply that such an attack isn't far off.

I do think that at some point Naruto will have an extremely powerful long-range Rasengan attack. But I suppose it's not time right now. Naruto's only 50% or less complete with his "ultimate jutsu," after all.

I have to say that explanation offered by Yamoto was rather basic, with no real reason given for why the RasenShuriken was a close range jutsu apart from that it was, so I will try to expand on that with the use of some common sence:

As we all know the Rasengan is a high level jutsu because of the complex manipulation of chakra… It is created by spinning your chakra at very high speeds while keeping it within the sphere that forms the Rasengan. Now my guess is that as soon as the Rasengan leaves the hand of it’s user is loses its stability and spinning momentum (and as it was demonstrated by Jiraya when he was teaching the jutsu to Naruto, it becomes useless) and therefore it is impossible to use it as a throwing attack.

Also when it comes to the effect of the new RasenShuriken, well it seems that people who have some form of immortality are fair game in Naruto when it comes to losing limbs and body parts (Hidan/Orochimaru) :o. So I really am hoping for some sort of toned down version RasenShuriken which you mentioned would probably be expected if Naruto had been a Seinen Manga.



9. Individual vs Teamwork? Naruto's determination to try again didn't surprise me here. That's just like him - if at first he doesn't succeed, he'll stay up days and nights doing the same thing until he finally does! Heh. So would it be any different against Kakuzu? Sure, he's more likely to get killed trying the same jutsu on an Akatsuki over and over than he would against an unmoving tree or a rushing waterfall, but I always thought that Naruto's ability to improvise on the spot was his strength. And that doesn't often come in play unless he's really threatened, and he always seemed to gain new skills as a result.

And look at that, by the way. Naruto's eyes haven't changed one bit the entire chapter - they're still Nine-Tails eyes! Yet he hasn't lost control at all of himself at all the whole time! Has this ever happened before where he isn't completely berserking at all during the entire battle? I can't remember it. Sure, he's probably not raging with furious emotion right now as he would be at the sight of a kukukuin' Orochimaru or a dead Gaara body, but still. Could he be finally getting more stronger mentally, keeping the Kyuubi down inside himself? You gotta hand it to Naruto either way, he's always had the Kyuubi to back him up before, and now he can't exactly rely on that 'get out of jail free' card to save his skin anymore. All he's got right now is himself, and he still has the guts to go against the Akatsuki without help.

Yes Naruto is very reliable/predictable/dependable in the sense that you can always count on him never giving up or quitting. This is what in my opinion is the one main characteristic that makes him the main character of this series, he might not be the best/strongest/and so on like all the other manga hero’s (to be honest, I would never want him to be), but whatever he starts, he always will finish it (no matter the amount of time it will take for him to do so).

Also the Kyuubi eyes has me wondering, wasn’t Naruto supposed to not use the Kyuubi anymore? Would this mean there is a difference between relying on Kyuubi chakra (as I’m guessing the eyes are hinting at) and going into 1 tail mode?

Honestly I’m pleased that the talk with Yamoto hasn’t meant a total stop when it comes to the issues of using the Kyuubi, it can be used as a double-edged sword to really add to Naruto’s s struggle in deciding how-much/how-far he wants to go to achieve his goals.



10. Crossing the Bridge. I don't blame Naruto, though, for preferring to try to take on the opponent by himself, this time. His first attempt was nearly a success. That he botched the job didn't mean that a second effort would be a waste of time. His instinct was probably telling him that he would be able to win this battle if he could figure out a way to get closer to Kakuzu.

As I have already revealed I like a person who can be a bit selfish when it comes to important issues which he wishes to resolve by himself for himself, so I have n problem whatsoever with Naruto having a second stab at Kakuzu.


I believe that Kishimoto intended for this chapter to remind us all that Naruto wasn't exactly the most talent-laden kid ever - that he isn't the same type of genius as Sasuke, who immediately can precisely perform his techniques almost flawlessly and with a higher percentage of success in a first try. Naruto, by comparison, had to be more of a hard worker - a stubborn kid that never knew when to stop - and somebody who has to take more time getting better. As Hinata once called him, Naruto is a "proud failure," who never gave up. And eventually he always wins in the end.

I've heard Naruto being called a "total loser" lately. This upsets me. I vehemently do not agree with that line of thought. In my opinion, a "total loser" is somebody who never tries to get off his butt to do anything worthwhile in life. Naruto obviously is not like that.

I agree totally with you on this, Naruto is by no means a “total loser”, I would go as far as saying that he isn’t even a loser but in fact a very capable shinobi who has shown that he can progress at the same rate as Sasuke or any other so-called “genius” given that his teacher builds on his strengths.

Also I have always found it a bit weird that many assume that people like Sasuke/Neji don’t train as hard as other to get where they are, all we have ever seen from those two is training and more training (from when Sasuke was young asking his brother to teach him to asking Orochimaru to teach him the second they met).

(Or it could be those are just my feeling, being the Sasuke fan that I am :amuse :p)



RATING: 5 of 5 - Whenever there is an abundance of the images in a Comments I wrote, it's a good bet that I thoroughly enjoyed the art. In fact, I would probably have rated the chapter a 5 because of the art alone! But more than that, the chapter felt like a full one. It offered a whole lot of good old-fashioned shonen drama. Even though Naruto didn't succeed with his jutsu - and maybe that was exactly why, actually - this chapter felt so much like some of the old Part 1 chapters that used to thrill me so much. Maybe Kishimoto's finally getting his storytelling magic back. We'll have to wait and see if it continues to be the case. Hopefully so!

Predictions: I'm pretty clueless I have to admit. So I won't bother this week, heh. Feel free to tell me if you have any good ideas.

I have to agree this chapter was very good in terms of art was and I even enjoyed the development during this chapter. So I would give it a 3.5/5… I know that might seem a bit harsh considering all the praise I gave, but I feel 5’s are only for excellent chapters that have a significant long term impact on the series.

Also I feel Kishimoto still has a lot of work to do before he is at the same level of being able to put out chapter after chapter of amazing development like Oda has been doing with One Piece.

As for predictions, I think Naruto is going to feint with the RasenShuriken, get Kakuzu to concentrate on a Bushin with the Rasen Shuriken while the real Naruto makes a surprise attack (kinda like how he fooled Neji during the Chunnin Exam, keeping a clone hanging back as bait to get his attention).

So basically Kakuzu will stab the Bushin with his tendrils, and by the time the Bushin goes puff in a heap of smoke, Naruto will jump out with another RasenShuriken...

One Eyed Sharingan
February 02, 2007, 08:55 AM
kekekek, great comments as always. and this time you did it early.. yay!!!

i think i got some thought to share too...

yup yup, i love Kishimoto-sensei's art... one thing i absolutely love about his art is that he can draw in the most difficult angle thus make the shot very cool, especially in action.

1. well kakuzu had the confidence cause he succed to deal with the previous attack wave of kagebunshin (last chapter), and i don't think he minds that a jinchuuriki (his target) coming to him.

as for Naruto....even back then when the first time he met Itachi and Kisame, he almost went after them if Jiraya hadn't put the brakes on him.
you're talking about the boy who put graffiti on Hokage statues lol XD... he fears nuthin but the extinction of ramen.


4. Okay this turn of event never crossed my mind... i mean man that's just hilarious and refreshing to me.
reminds me of when Naruto coudn't do anything when the demon brothers attack him (in the beginning of Zabuza arc) or when showed up in the fight of Sasuke vs Haku... yup the surprising ninja in many ways. I don't think it's lame nor made Naruto looks weak to me.

Wiith that rasen shuriken attempt, he's trying to push his limits, a thing he should do in training, but alas he got no time for that.
It's a dangerous act, but it's typical for 15 year old kid to test out anything new he got...


5/6. hmm thought so that Kakashi is the one who charges forward and Yamato provide the backup, pretty much like when Kakashi fight alongside Obito back in Kakashi gaiden.

it's good to see Kakashi fighting with reliable back up like Yamato, Kakashi's been babysitting too much lately..
oh yeah that chop and Yamato's mokuton were nice to see too!


7. kekekeke i dun blame Ino though, she didn't mean to diss/disrespect Naruto, she's just commenting.. it's just that Naruto could gave her (and me) heart attack...

first, Ino saw what kakuzu is capable of (that's horror), and then she saw that Naruto really really almost take Kakuzu down thus end the battle (tha brings hope), and then she saw Naruto got caught by Kakuzu's tendrills (horror again) and almost got his heart got ripped out by Kakuzu (more horror).... those string of events are not good for yer heart...

And Ino knows little about Naruto (especially in part 2), she only know Naruto from tye past (in the academy mostly), and acting like a bigshot was what she know about Naruto back then.


8. well i was among of those who didn't expect this rasenshuriken to be a projectile. so that didn't surprise me.
basic rasengan is made by three steps, that each step needs contionuous and delicate chakra handling by the user, so i thought the jutsu can't be thrown...


9/10. Naruto's determination is to be expected of him, he has little talent in ninjutsu and strategizing beforehand... so his persistence is his weapon..

in the beginning of the Zabuza arc (back then he was totally failed as a ninja), he swore to himself (or rather on the pain on his hand) that he won't be needing any help ever again...
while i know that that is could not be possible (he does need help), but it showed what kind of a person Naruto was, and it's the same now..
he won't back down with just one falied attempt.
His serious face tells it all that he'd go cross the bridge regardless what other say (pretty much like Shikamaru was when Tsunade forbid him to leave the village). To make it worse, Naruto has issues against Akatsuki...

but i don't think Kakashi and the others will stay silent the moment Naruto's in danger though

that's just my opinion though.... XDhttp://kaskus.us/images/smilies/bolakbalik.gif

CopyNinjaKakashi
February 02, 2007, 10:03 AM
Nice job GK! I am glad to see others enjoyed this chapter as much as I did! The art was amazing! I thought the chapter had a good mix of action and character development.

That's what I liked most about this chapter. Did it advance the plot? Not really, but that's okay. It developed Naruto's charactewr even more and showed his resolve. You can see the determination in his eyes.

It was also awesome to see Naruto's teachers working together. I can't wait for next week!

conan
February 02, 2007, 11:29 AM
GK, I have to say.OMG GREAT COMMENTS, I was a bit pissed about the critics of this chapter that I thought I might do some review in this section myself, but alas, you did such a good job reveiwng this chapter that you chased that thought out of my mind, now about the comments, I agree with you totally , I think this chapter was very important for to understand the growth in naruto's charracters, we also got to see some great art and saw kakashi and yamato action which was awesome, but this chapter to me comes to prove two things, one, naruto is tough, messes up and gets over it, a martial arts teacher of mine used to say "every body gets floored or knocked out, even mohammed ali, but he went to get the world title again and got it, thats what its all about, getting floored and standing again" thats what naruto comes to inspisre in us I guess, also like s stallone said in rocky 6 :amuse " its not about how hard you hit, its about how many hits you can take and keep going", second, well its similar to the first but followsit, naruto obviously grows up here, sure he made an excuse when he was scolded, but he is not making excuses anymore, he is risking his life by going in there alone, but he wants to prove to others and himself he is able to win, no more messing up losing and no more excuses, this is it for him, and such growth is great to see and watch, thats why I think this chapter was very important for us to understand naruto's charracter, I think the next chapters will have a very violent fight since naruto's first trick didnt work, but its gonna be good watching it, and like tsunade said before " he has an amazing ability, he makes everyone have faith in him" I think he can win this, he has survived through fights against orochimaru, itachi and deidara, so I believe he can get through this too.
finally my praise goes again for Golden Knight for his wonderful ten comments, and all the other staff who helped get his scans and translations.

Gold Knight
February 02, 2007, 11:42 AM
Explanation of Kakuzu's ability? I didn't see another "briefing" about it - hopefully there wasn't one. If there was, I missed it. >.>

Well I suppose I wasn't very clear. I meant that he could have for example shortened the explanation of Kakuzu's ability in chapter 339 in order to show us a bit more in that chapter and so on.

The thing is that I have a bit the feeling that Kishimoto has watered down the last five chapters or so to make Shippuden chronicles anime beginning and Kakuzu's pawnage ( which would inaugurate the birth of Naruto, the Shippuden ninja) coïncide.

But I guess I'm just paranoïd :-)


Well, the briefing in last chapter only lasted one page, and I already said that it was probably essential to Naruto's understanding of how Kakuzu worked anyway. So I was fine with that. But I do agree that Kishimoto tends to have them talk too much in order to draw out the battles - I would think realistic ninja battles would be so quick as to try to prevent anybody to have any time to even think slowly.

And you could be right, actually, about the end of the fillers tie-in. Thanks for replying dimska.



This was the first of your comments i have read that made me laugh. The title for comment four was absolutely hilarious :p

and i agree somewhat with inana (not the insult part). i wont write much. although i expected Naruto to at least mess up a little against an Akatsuki of the caliber of the eternal kakuzu--- Kishimoto made him almost soo disappointing. I mean as for me- i was expecting anything. But upon visiting about 4 naruto sites today-- almost every complained soo much about Naruto's portrayal in this chapter that i havent seen for any naruto chapter ever. No wonder the disappointment caught up with me too.

Already talked about that in my response to inara... just tune in next week, I think, Naruto is a character that was always meant to stumble and then pick himself up. Ever since Kishimoto did the timeskip, it seems that people are expecting almost too much of Naruto in the second part. Naruto isn't a "genius" in the traditional sense that he can immediately understand how to do everything right away. He's a "genius" in that he is able to overcome his limitations anyway. But we do have to see his limitations in effect for it to be a good story. As I said in a previous Comments, I think the whole training exercise with Jiraiya was a setback, and Naruto's having to catch up all over again. And bear in mind Naruto is trying to use a technique that not even Yondaime could accomplish. '

So when Naruto finally learns to use it correctly, will people still be like "Naruto is a loser! He can't learn anything else!" Probably, heh.



Anyways- my only issue with this chapter was what you discussed in point 1. i mean-- i dont get it. and probably wouldnt be convinced in a long while. For somebody with soo much experience as Kakuzu, soo fast that Kakashi, ino, chouji couldnt escape his tendrils-- allowed Naruto to sneak up on him. Even though Kakuzu himself commented that Naruto;s jutsu was monstrous. and he took his eyes off of the one holding the jutsu. and it wasnt even that Naruto had super speed or something. i dont think it was overconfidence either (for kakuzu's slow reaction)

anyways-- great comments.


Yeah, my sentiments too. Thanks for dropping by venicia.



Some points I have just made:

1. When Naruto managed to hit Kakuzu, did you notice that Kakuzu might have tried to stop Naruto, by extending his right arm?

Yeah, I did consider that. But he missed, and I think it was because he was in such an awkward spot turning around, and he was probably bracing himself for the "destructive" impact too.


2. Kakashi's reaction when saving Naruto's ass reminds me so much of when Yondaime saved Kakashi in the old days. History repeats itself. Kakashi is living up to his name too, of course.

Ha, true.


3. I think Kakashi has once again used his Chidori. That chop technique maybe, like you said is just an chakra manipulation, but I dont think it can cut the wires (whatever you say it), if it was not as powerful as Chidori.

Anyway, another great comments.

Thanks for that.


Eh, we'd have to learn more about what electricity manipulation can do (maybe we will whenever Sasuke comes back into the story more frequently). Thanks ykw :)



Great comments as always, GK! :kkthumbs

I can't really add onto anything here as you said most of it. Plus, I totally agree on the art. Kishi just keeps amazing us with it's brilliance. I also liked the panel showing Naruto being Naruto...

But I'm glad you and others liked this chapter (I know I did). It's true, maybe Kishi is getting his storytelling mojo back.

Anyways thanks!


You're welcome Raseru :)



I'm not sure if this was mentioned before or not, but Kakuzu doesn't have an "Earth(Doton) Mask". The mask that Kakashi destroyed when he impaled Kakazu was not Doton, but in fact Suiton(Water). The reason I and many others believe this is because Kakuzu's original "heart" has Doton chakra abilities. Don't forget that even after the first mask was destroyed, he was able to use that Doton jutsu that hardened his skin. Obviously, if the first mask was Doton, he would likely be unable to used Doton techniques. This is why people believe the first mask was Suiton. That and the fact that Kakuzu has yet to use a Suiton technique, despite the fact that he said he could use all five chakra natures due to his ability to assimilate other ninja's hearts.


I agree, but what's confusing about that is that Kakashi struck for the heart and it apparently took out the Suiton mask, so his "core heart" must have been elsewhere in his body - I'm assuming the middle of his chest.

But then Hidan struck "there" when he thought to use the Voodoo jutsu on Shikamaru, and that took out Kakuzu's Doton heart, but wasn't that where the Suiton mask was? Kakashi's hand went thru Kakuzu's chest, so it should have ruptured BOTH hearts if the Doton heart was also there. I guess Kakuzu must have had the Doton heart in the core of his body and moved it over to the void where the Suiton "heart" was automatically. Maybe he had to.

Anyway, I was just kind of playing with my imagination. I forgot that there was never a mask for Doton, you're right.

And just for everybody's reference:


http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7582/kakuzuyf9.png



Agreed sir, since well lets face it. Yondaime being a character that needed to die before the series could get started.

As I have seen things, people are definitely searching for that "Super Man" complex in Naruto. Or otherwise him being "pwnerific" Yondaime style. But thats something I appreciate with this manga, Naruto's tough and all. But he gets beat down, and he isnt supreme god of the universe. As you said, the series would be over otherwise if he was at such a high status.

(Hmm its late, god I hope I made some form of sense and not just non-coherent babbling :s )

Anyway, a great review there Gold Knight, enjoyed the read and definitely brought out some nice points to the chapter. Thanks! :thumbs


Thanks KaiserRyuujin.

I'll get to the second page stuff next time ^^;

pokeballs
February 02, 2007, 01:33 PM
Great comments as always, thanks for pumping 'em out every week :D

On the subject of Naruto messing up, I'm glad he hasn't totally changed from just doing the KageBunshin training. Otherwise I'd have invested my time to over 300 chapters just so we could see him mature when he's not being showcased? I'd rather see the development with my own eyes methinks :p

And I think the reason Naruto is so set-back after the Jiraiya training is due to the heavy focus on Kyuubi chakra. Naruto did he become pretty damn strong, being able to control up to three tails (and did dominate Kabuto in about one page, mind you :p) but all he was at that point was a mini kyuubi. He didn't focus on strengthening his own style and that's what this arc is for, and hopefully by the end of it, Naruto will be that much better because of it ;x

the foot also reminded me of an earlier scene, the one in which he used Oodama Rasengan on the Itachi clone.
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Speaking of Oodama Rasengan, the size of the crater it made versus the half finished Fuuton Rasengan is pretty amazing lol. Would there even be a point to making an Fuuton: Oodama Rasenshuriken? or would it just obliterate half the Narutoverse??? XD

venicia777
February 02, 2007, 01:44 PM
... I think, Naruto is a character that was always meant to stumble and then pick himself up. Ever since Kishimoto did the timeskip, it seems that people are expecting almost too much of Naruto in the second part. Naruto isn't a "genius" in the traditional sense that he can immediately understand how to do everything right away. He's a "genius" in that he is able to overcome his limitations anyway. But we do have to see his limitations in effect for it to be a good story.

i am one of the strongest proponents of Naruto's characterization in this series. And as such have had to many a-times defend the tag some put on him.as i indicated i wasnt expecting Narauto to go in and totally Pawn Kakuzu like there was no tomorrow. That wasnt in any of my books. Nevertheless-- as i also indicated, a lot of fans were expecting Kishimoto to at least for once, for just once, let Naruto be cool even if he was going to get saved or helped by kAKashi-sensei and the others. And this even includes those to whom naruto is a big favorite.

And after reading many complaints i started to understand why fans were saying so and/or got really disappointed. For one the buildup to this chapter was soo good that almost everyone including those who dont think Naruto will ever be cool but remain his gritty self expected the best and coolest scene of Naruto yet. Lets not forget that before this- Shikamaru had hogged all the limelight to himself. And naruto came in with a super cool jutsu, determination, and kyuubified eyes :p


As I said in a previous Comments, I think the whole training exercise with Jiraiya was a setback, and Naruto's having to catch up all over again. And bear in mind Naruto is trying to use a technique that not even Yondaime could accomplish.

And as i said with others in your 339 ten comments thread i completely disagree with this opinion.



So when Naruto finally learns to use it correctly, will people still be like "Naruto is a loser! He can't learn anything else!" Probably, heh.

with the way many got disappointed and/or let down in the previous chapter-- i think so too. Like i said even those who usually thought Naruto was a loser seem soo much ready for at least one cool moment. Naruto may have lost his chance for a long time. The surprise may have worn off. and probably even if he completes the jutsu to 100% stage (Yondai wasnt able to get that far)- the admiration of the feat will be there but the novelty and awe-struck-ness for many fans will be gone.

It looks like that was a make or break situation.

goofy_man
February 02, 2007, 01:55 PM
Thanks for the comments!

Okay, do you think that we will ever find out how the f**k Kakuzu can talk with all that black tendrils in his mouth??
I have a feeling Naruto might play the idiot for a moment and ask that next chapter.....and then be grossed out.


And well, here we see Yamato clearly both ash-faced and shocked, and Kakashi with an almost "I-told-you-so" look and rushing forward immediately to try to save his former student. Seemed like he completely expected Naruto all along to have run into a little setback.
I agree with you here. Kakashi is pretty much stopping short of actually saying "Don't make me say I-told-you-so!!!"


I recall several chapters back that you compare the Hidan/Kakuzu team to an Akatsuki version of Naruto/Sasuke.
Do you think that Kakuzu is going to pick up on that next chapter and say something like, "......OMG, this is like fighting a pint-sized version of that dumba$$ partner I have....except this brat's got a demon sealed inside him, whereas Hidan.....is just f**ked up....."??

kiddo7
February 02, 2007, 04:29 PM
Well this week I decided that I would not read through all of the comments because I got here to late and It would take me the rest of the day.
But here is what I have to say,
I, while I can't say I hated it, was not vary much impressed by this chapter. I quickly finished reading it and then wished I could find out what happens next. I was not too surprised or at all disappointed that naruto's jutsu failed. I might even have been expecting it. There were really no surprises in this chapter.

But my oh my do you guys have a talent for changing my opinion! After reading both your reviews and noticing how the fans are taking sides in what seems to be turning into a small war of opinions (concerning our protagonist's overall usefulness, and specific qualification to lead his nation.), I noticed myself agreeing more and more with the people defending both this chapter and Naruto.
You reviewers should be aware of what a great power you wield in polarizing peoples opinions and you should promise to use it only for the good of man kind. lol

P.S. if anything I said in this post offends anyone at all...
...please read my sig :XD

SilveryShadows
February 02, 2007, 08:18 PM
Awesome comments!

I like the chapter more now after reading your comments.
Though I still am disappointed about the jutsu failure(though not so much as before). I'd rather it miss instead of fail. (I really wanted to see the new jutsu in action! With all the wait & the excitement from the last chapter...)

Can't think of anything to analyze or any comments (other than I agree/no opinion) on your comments.

ophidial
February 03, 2007, 12:21 AM
thanks for the great read GK, i agree with pretty much most
of them, so i guess i'm on the positive side of the great divide.
it was actually quite surprising that seeing so many people dismiss
the chapter after the jutsu fizzled kinda upset me but i guess people
tend to be defensive of things they like.
anyways just wanted to add an opinion of mine concerning the kyuubi eyes,
which is that they're showing up because naruto is using the chakra that
he normally subconciously reserves to hold back the kyuubi chakra.
thus naruto isn't holding back the kyuubi at all so the eyes appear
but yamato is holding back the chakra so he wont transform.

MadDog
February 03, 2007, 12:26 AM
Great breakdown of the chapter. I definetly agree that the artwork and storytelling were both well done.

Seeing Kakashi and Yamato working together was the highlight, and the "pencil hands" attack was pretty dope.

About Ino, her reaction reminded me somewhat of when Sakura first saw Naruto for the first time in three years. She was hoping that he'd matured, but was let down big time. Same with Ino. If you look closely at her reactions prior/during the attack, she was almost in awe of Naruto. When the jutsu failed, all we saw was her natural, honest reaction (however rude an annoying it was).

One thing that's been bugging me is Kakuzu's attempt to nab Naruto's heart as a replacement. I mean, he doesn't seem like the type to just toss the Akatsuki game plan out the window during the heat of the battle. I'd be interested in seeing the Gold Knight's take on this (as well as anyone else's).

Robotic Red
February 03, 2007, 12:38 AM
Remember how Kakuzu said he kept killing his partners? You know, because he gets angry and starts going on a rage (which is why Hidan was probably put with him)?

That's probably what's happening.

MadDog
February 03, 2007, 12:42 AM
^Yeah, good point. I forgot about that altogether, but I feel like that contradicts what we've seen from him so far in battle. He's not at all a raving lunatic, in contast to Hidan. For a guy made out of black spaghetti, he seems like he's kept his head together until then, in my opinion.

The more I think about it, you're probably right.

Rurouni Gio
February 03, 2007, 08:41 AM
hi~, hi~

1.-Just exactly what i thought, only problem i had with this chapter as well.

2.-Yeap, i'm glad they said so, otherwise this would be another chapter that i wouldn't have enjoyed, plus, this statement, made the previous chapter look better, and so, sorry for my comments on the last chapter. I'm taking most of it back now.

3.-I don't get, why it was nesecary to use those powerful jutsus just to take out Kagebunshins, i can't even understand, how was it possible for Naruto to get so close to him while carrying that 'Horrendous' Jutsu con his hand, and still take Kakuzu guard less, well... i can think of two possibilities (?), Kakuzu was too confident, or, he is tired and is hiding so anyone would notice.

4.-Loved that, the fact that Naruto's Technique failed, added the sensation, of "Yes, Naruto has become strong, and at some point can even face an Akatsuki, BUT, there is still a chance for him to screw up", this was a relief, i wouldn't stand an overpowered Naruto, that can clear things up so easily, especially against an Akatsuki member (who has 3 heats, 3 Hollows, a lot of experience, weird hair, and incredible skills), such as Kakuzu.

5.-Yeah, nice pointing all these facts out. Guess Yamato was sure it'd work, and not that Kakashi didn't have confidence on Naruto at all, but he was just cautious about the "What if"

6.-TeamWork here made me think of the possibly lots of missions Yamato and Kakashi had together while being ANBU. I also thought of that. Yamato ties up the enemy with wood, Kakashi Raikiri him/her up in the chest and opens that hole on the heart xP. (Nice combination eh?, this also applies to a combination between Shikamaru + Kakashi, Kagemane + Raikiri would pown ^^). As for Kakashi cutting the hair, i think i did perform Raikiri, but using as much chakra as needed, that's why there wasn't so much of a chakra releasement when performing it, i mean, Kakashi is an intelligent ninja, who wouldn't waste Chakra that easily without being necessary, so i guess he used Raikiri on a lowered level, so he wouldn't waste such a large amount of chakra. (Think of it as playing an Rpg, for example, when i'm playing RO, and i'm usually a wizard, if am killing a monster while leveling up in a certain dungeon, when it has low HP, i lower the level of skills, whether to use less SP (not all of them reduce SP cost by skill lvl), or to reduce casting time/Delay, so i try not to waste time/SP that isn't needed, and i think same applies for Kakashi here). However, this makes the last chapters facts a little odd, i mean, he used Kuchyosen, then a lowered Raikiri, and still was able to move at a great speed while carrying on his hands, and was already about to keep fighting, but he couldn't move back then?, if it wasn't because of lack of stamina, then why was that? xP.

9.-Totally agreed, also, i think Naruto is being too cocky by saying those words, however now i do approve of him fighting Kakuzu alone, and even taking him down by his own.


10.-Now that it was shown, that Yamato & Kakashi "Are letting Naruto Fight", and Naruto isn't fighting alone just because of the thinking "he has overpowered Akatsuki/Yamato/Kakashi already", i don't care if he goes all out now, and kill Kakuzu by his own. All thanks to those final lines. That's why, i can now sit down, read and enjoy the following fight as much as i want. Well done by noticing and pointing that out, (about the rock lee part).


Rating: 5/5

Predictions: I guess... Naruto will take down one of Kakuzu's heart and then they'll have team up to take the other 2, what i mean, i don't see Naruto hitting 3 times Kakuzu with Kageshuriken no jutsu, however, there is a chance he kill him with just one hit, then, whether Naruto takes out 1 heart or 3 heart on his own, BUT, i dn't see him taking 2 in any way right now.

diegocfq
February 03, 2007, 03:45 PM
That's why I love reading your reviews, it usually lessens the effects of frustration =P
I agree with you totally, but I think Kishi is stretching too much... and kakuzu being completely nuts, staying where he is. Because if he can kill naruto, it will be a big problem (Akatsuki leader will not be happy to see Naruto dead before 9-tails' extraction) and he will be troubled with all the other ninjas (Kakashi, Yamato, Chouji and Ino, well not with Ino =P)who are only watching, so he is really screwed (I think it would be a good time to show Zetsu coming and rescuing him and both leaving)

ibra87
February 03, 2007, 04:11 PM
Right. Great comments GK.

I too, wonder why Kakuzu who had just shown us great strategic abilities (you can't exactly call them that but oh well) against Shikamaru's shadows, will all of a sudden leave an opening for Shikamaru just like that. Kishimoto is just sacrificing Kakuzu to show us how strong the "new" Naruto is. And what way is there better than beating a S-ranked ninja and making the otherwise strong shinobi seem helpless?

Raine_Joybringer
February 04, 2007, 08:12 AM
X3 Heh, I didn't read your comments until I posted up my own... but I can't believe how similar they are regardless. I'm glad we're both on the ball with trying to understand this chapter for more than it's face-value though.

Great comments, as usual <3 (You make me jealous that I don't think of all those things...)

ShgnLW
February 05, 2007, 10:58 AM
Good review, GK, really it is very good,

But still, I hate this chapter... to much cliche in it... and the fact that Naruto can't throw that stupid jutsu made me wanna stop reading Naruto, but your comments convinced me to keep reading the manga until I know more about this jutsu (because it is only 50% ready).

Keep up the good work ;)

juUnior
February 05, 2007, 01:50 PM
Great review, GK ^^ And to that, I'm the person which really liked that chapter xD


The overly certain assassin meets the overconfident kid. Guess something's gotta give.
And maybe Kakuzu was thinking: that jutsu is long ranged type xDxD


Well, at least Chouji did try to move to help out.
I think that Chouji even before did some good stuff, and show us three moves in whole battle so far. For Chouji I think is good, and now I'm thinking, that Ino also, if you look at her only as a medic ninja type.


3. Fast and Furious! All right, here's the thing. I absolutely loved the art in this chapter.
The same for me :D And I loved your quote: Fast and Furious xD


Was Kakuzu only able to concentrate on one bunshin at a time with his black tendrils, in order to ward him off? Why not take care of them all at the same time?
I think that he was only preaparing for what you mention next, one bunshin was in hand of Kakuzu, and he only need than to do his two mask attack xD

About pkt.4 I think, that art was also awesome. That hand of Kakuzu in front was superb, whole action also. It was as if Kishi do that to think, that Naruto will succed.


6. The Ultimate Teamwork!? Kakashi and Yamato working together???
It was another scene in chapter, which I loved due to attacks from kakashi and Yamato heh ^^ And Yamato arm attack was amazing. I really like it :D


After all, you can't really understand Sakura completely until you know more about Ino as well.
I agree. Maybe like you said, it will be in future to see some of that, or maybe some fight which will involve pair Sakura and Ino vs some opponent xD


I almost feel sorry for Kishimoto sometimes, actually. He likely won't be able to develop all his secondary characters as thoroughly as he'd like to before the end of the series. He almost made them too interesting.
Same thoughts, but maybe in anime there will be some fillers moments on such aspects. I mean like it was with Kimimaro and the whole issue Sound Five. I really liked how it was shwon how the Kazekage was "supposed" to be deafeted thx to Kimi, and the rest of this filler scenes. It was good. I wonder if it will be with good guys..


And then afterwards, after Rock Lee had been defeated by Gaara, Kakashi apologized to Gai, saying that he probably wouldn't have been able to stop his student, either. Heh.

Well, guess what. It's happening.
Well, good point xD I didnt thought of that past scene.

And I also have no idea on the next chapter, but I want to see, that Naruto CAN destroy one or two hearts of Kakuzu, thats all what i want.. or to that, it would be nice if it would be done in some "thinking way of Naruto" xD

Gold Knight
February 05, 2007, 06:43 PM
Thanks all for the compliments. I'll be sure to try to post up some more replies before the next chapter comes out.

Amatersu
February 05, 2007, 10:23 PM
I think that a reason(s) Kakuzu focused on the clones is because
1. It's the 9 tails, so it's bound to be powerful and you've gotta be cautious
2. Naruto just pulled out a jutsu that made Kakuzu very very scared. So maybe the clones have a trick to them, like Itachi's do(the old exploding clone).

I'm also kinda ticked at Kishimoto for having Naruto being well not on par with some other characters, like Neji or Lee(YEAH ROCK LEE). But then again, you've gotta look at this in his, Naruto's, world. He's got a monstrous power inside of him so for him to be a powerful ninja he's going to have to take advantage of that power and use it. I don't mind that. I'd just like him to move faster, like Sasuke did at their last encounter.

Remember also, when he first goes off I think, Jiryia tells him not to use "that" technique...hmm. Summoning perhaps?

Gold Knight
February 06, 2007, 12:33 PM
Gettin' a little bit tough for me to answer everything these days, so hopefully you guys don't mind if I stick to shorter answers without quotes and all that. This will be my last post as I want to check out the Naruto spoilers after this ;)

@ Navid - You had some excellent observations. Kakuzu's masks could indeed have a cooling down period of time and Naruto could take advantage of that at some point, just as I think there may be a limit to how much he can shoot any amount of his tendrils at one time focused at an opponent so that he can't attack others similarly at the same time. I think Naruto could also potentially find a way around that and be able to catch Kakuzu off guard, if he's been watching carefully enough.

I'm not sure that Naruto's Rasengan alone would have been enough to destroy two of Kakuzu's hearts. Perhaps one - its range seems small enough that it would have only affected one mask at best, whereas the RasenShuriken would have taken out two or even all three of Kakuzu's hearts in a single blow. That's my opinion though...

Good thoughts on the inner workings of the RasenShuriken, and you're probably right.

Thanks for the compliments and your comments! I enjoyed reading them.

@ One Eyed Sharingan - Thanks! And true, Naruto's never lacked in sheer stubborness and courage.

Good point about bringing up the one time he froze in sheer terror, which was against the Demon Brothers, and he swore to himself that'd never be the case again. And so far, he's certainly living up to his promise.

@ CopyNinjaKakashi - Yes, I think this chapter was about further character development for Naruto, too. Thanks!

@ conan - Glad you enjoyed the Comments so much. :) Good allusions to Rocky and Ali, btw! Very poignant thoughts.

@ pokeballs - I agree with you, I've gotten used to seeing Naruto improve before my own eyes too. Agreed about the Jiraiya training too (though it seems others disagree there.)

Yeah, Kishimoto's always been good at depicting low-angle "rushing action."

Good point about the crater comparison from the Oodama Rasengan to the RasenShuriken (assuming that's what caused the crater back there when Naruto was training with Yamato). I'll have to remember to look at the difference if it happens next chapter.

@ venicia777 - Wasn't a make or break situation for Naruto for ALL of us, though. The Narutards that have given up on Naruto may find themselves missing out on a cool story.

@ goofy_man - Nah, probably never will find out how Kakuzu can talk with these tendrils in his mouth, heh - I'm weirded out by exactly why he has to have tendrils hanging out of his mouth - I guess it's another weapon to use to catch somebody by surprise, but he didn't use it on Naruto when he tried to strike with the RasenShuriken. Hmm.

I no longer think of Hidan and Kakuzu as being similar to Naruto and Sasuke - it's obvious they're too different, heh. Sasuke would never lose his cool so much as Kakuzu, and Naruto isn't as fanatic as Hidan.

@ kiddo7 - Well, I'm rather surprised my reviews might change people's opinions, I just do them for fun, and I always knew that not everybody will agree with me (obviously), but if I helped anyone see the chapter in a new light, that's really a bonus for me.

I do my reviews to try to go over all the things that confuse me or excite me and see if people can shed any new light on anything I may have noticed, which you guys do a fantastic job of doing. At times you guys actually change my own opinion on a chapter with what you say, as you guys did a few weeks ago. So it works both ways. ;)

@ SilveryShadows - Awesome that you liked the chapter better. And well, it sort of "missed" rather than "failed," because it had a time limit and it expired before Naruto could get close enough... you know? At least, that is what I feel.

@ ophidial - Heh, there's always been kind of a divison in Naruto fandom, there are the Uchiha fans and there are the Uzumaki fans. It really doesn't surprise me that there are many people with mixed feelings about this "missed jutsu," but it's not over 'til the fat lady sings.

I'm not sure that Naruto is consciously trying to channel the Kyuubi. After all he told the Kyuubi off a while ago. I think it's just that he's expending a great deal of chakra, and the Kyuubi's essence is leaking out because of it ( remember Kakashi once said there was a "crack" of sorts in the seal. ) Glad you liked my Comments :)

@ Maddog Hayate - I suppose I can't blame Ino for having such a honest reaction after seeing Naruto get his butt bailed out. She was probably feeling a little foolish at the time for having believed Naruto could have taken him down, and she hasn't spent as much time teamwork-wise with Naruto as Sakura did.

I commented on Kakuzu's attempt to capture Naruto's heart in Raine Joybringer's review - I can't believe I missed commenting on that. But remember Kakuzu was in the heat of the battle, and he's implied in the past that he's always been somewhat temperental when it came to dealing with his partners. (Hence why I think Hidan was always having to do the dirty work when dealing with jinchuuriki, and why Kakuzu tolerated having Hidan along, because he couldn't kill him.)

I'm sure the Akatsuki didn't enjoy the fact that they were always having to recruit new members because of Kakuzu. But Kakuzu is pretty vital to their cause, being their "doctor" and all - so I guess they kept him anyway. I think Kakuzu here was on the edge of berserking again and forgetting about Naruto's importance to the Akatsuki's plans, if only for a moment.

@ Robotic Red - Yeah, that. Thanks. :)

@ Rurouni Gio - You could be right about Kakashi conserving chakra (but he had to, though, I'm guessing, because he already expended so much chakra beforehand). Looks like we agree on the chapter, thanks for coming by and letting me know your thoughts :)

@ diegocfq - I hope that whenever I don't like a chapter, it doesn't ever heighten the frustration for you XD Glad you enjoyed the review.

But you touched on something else I'm not too crazy about. While I understand Naruto's desire to take on Kakuzu for himself to be able to get stronger, I can't believe that he would put aside the safety of Konohagakure just for that. He knows the Akatsuki are seeking him and that they can use him to do all kinds of destruction, and anyway, the Akatsuki is too important to "toy around with" in the sense that they're doing an one on one battle instead of just taking him all at once. But oh well. That's shonen for you, I guess, and it still fits Naruto's personality either way.

One thing's for sure though, Naruto better not lose this one, or Kakashi will never let him try it again - and I wouldn't blame him.

@ ibra87 - Again, touching on what I wasn't too crazy about, and yeah, I really don't know what to say about that besides just that I think Kakuzu must have been underestimating Naruto too much.

@ Raine_Joybringer - Bah, you caught something I didn't notice (the Kakuzu trying to grab Naruto's heart thing). You did a great review yourself. Thanks for looking over mine too :glomp

@ ShgnLW - Thanks :) Hopefully the next chapter will make you happier (and me too!)

@ juUnior - You could be right! I never thought about that. Kakuzu could have been mistaken in thinking Naruto was going to throw that jutsu and not expecting him to try to attack him up close from the back. Thanks for commenting :)

@ Amatersu - True, Kakuzu might have been concerned about Naruto's bunshins doing something dangerous like Deidara's or Itachi's. Sometimes experience with so many formidable opponents can be a hindrance instead.

As for Jiraiya's "that" technique, I still think it was the Nine Tails he was talking about, mostly because it was what nearly killed Jiraiya in the training exercise. I've heard the argument, then why did he say "that jutsu?" I'm not sure he had any other way to describe it, though.

Thanks all for commenting! I'm really glad you all enjoyed my review this week so much.

venicia777
February 06, 2007, 01:55 PM
@ venicia777 - Wasn't a make or break situation for Naruto for ALL of us, though. The Narutards that have given up on Naruto may find themselves missing out on a cool story.


Yeah-- not everyone-- it wasnt make or break for me. But i think the make or break part was more in terms of Naruto"s "coolness". I dont think any has given up. Just that if Naruto becomes cool later or even in this weeks chapter-- there will be reservations from many of the discontent.