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Schwindelmagier
February 03, 2007, 12:28 PM
Okay, since I am a huge Tiki-fan, I can't really stop thinking about one sentence since a looooooong time.
Maybe it will dwindle into presumptions, well, I guess it can only dwindle into presumptions. But I will ask you though. My question is referring to chapter 93, page 1 and 2. Rhode said:
"After all, we're the precious "sacrificial lambs" that he'll (I guess the Earl) be offering to god. But I know it can't be helped...the dangerous nature of us Noahs...But Tiki, you're...

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This part is driving me crazy @.@. I have my own ideas what she could say, though I want to know what you are thinking. ^__^
Maybe I can find a better solution than mine, furthermore I am thinking too Tiki-fangirlish. XD

So, my presumption is, since she is talking about the dangerous nature of the Noahs:
But Tiki...you're the most dangerous.
Just look at his face. It overflows of dark desires XD. It said: "Boy, I will kill you cause killing is so much fun."

Djmewmew
February 03, 2007, 07:52 PM
I'm sort of joking, but this begs to be poked fun at

But Tiki you're incredibily hawt =D

But Tiki you're crazy

sorry, sorry, can't resist XD

rhapsody blue
February 03, 2007, 08:13 PM
Yeah, that unfinished sentence has driven me crazy too. It'll probably be released when Tyki confronts Allen at the next exit/door. My guess(es)?

But Tyki, you're obsessed. (Obsessed with Allen because he didn't complete his job)
But Tyki, you're different. (He's acting differently compared to the other Noahs)

tune
February 04, 2007, 02:31 AM
But Tyki, you're different. (He's acting differently compared to the other Noahs)

i kinda agree with snoogen0120's pick :D

i have no imagination when it comes down to spelling bee/hangman

the earl seems to treat rhode, tiki, jasdebi + skin, each group differently.
rhode = controller ability,
tiki = ? ,
jasdebi + skin = [do your jobs]
:)

Schwindelmagier
February 04, 2007, 04:08 AM
Hm, "But Tiki, you're different." sounds logical.
After all, he has his white side too and this side loves humans. Isn't it kinda dificult for him to kill people? Rhode once said that he's simply afraid. Yeah, afraid of losing his four human friends but through his black side in compination with his white side, he loves killing. Kinda schizo XD.
Well, well, he's really different. I hope it will get solved when he meets Alllen and the others.

More presumptions? Anyone?

Koen
February 04, 2007, 05:42 AM
Well, I think it has something to do with the fact that noahs are the sacrificial lambs that the earl will be offering. She says it is completely normal due to the dangerous nature of the noah, and I think and agree with some above that tiki is different. The fact rhoades says but means there is something different with tiki.

On the other hand, we know roades likes to tease her other noah family members and maybe she is testing tiki. Maybe she doesn't know anything about tiki and his ideals, or maybe she does but can't understand him. You know tiki is a villain, that gives me a warm feeling. His talking, his doing, the fact he likes humans/life (note on the train when he was with humans, and his strange dialogues with allen which I don't know in detail anymore) is maybe something opposite to the nature of noah. And maybe roades is talking about that fact, and tries to understand him or to lure him a out of something by talking to him like that.

The face tiki shows, is really difficult to understand. I agree with people saying it being a agressive way of looking. But couldn't it be that he is staring, dreaming of something, thinking about something.

This is where I come to the conclusion: Tiki is a noah member of the noah family. But he is different, in the way of fighting and talking. Jasdebi, rhoades, skin we have seen them all agressive fighting, enjoying the pain of excorsists. When tiki fought allen, it was completely different, we didn't see his agressive behaviour (which I think he has) but maybe he is the noah willing to change to stop the earl?

Schwindelmagier
February 04, 2007, 06:46 AM
Wow O.O
Interesting XD.
You're totally right, koenosaki.
But I have to say, for Tiki it is also enjoying seeing the pain of dieing exorcists. He loves killing exorcists/human even if his white form likes human beings.
Just remember when he killed Deesha, the look in his face, it is nearly the same as in chapter 93 and shortly before he wanted to tear out Allen's heart - the same look again. <-kinda scary XD
One can say, he really enjoys killing/hunting Ecorcists.
"It's better if this brave fellow is given a bit more time before he dies. He will die as he agonizes the fear invading his body, as blood pours from his heart."
My, my..what a poetical sentence.

Now, to Rhode. I agree with you in this point too. I guess from all Noah, she is the one who could understand Tiki the best. Hm, I stil wonder what she meant when she asked if Tiki changed smoke brands. Maybe it has a depper meaning XD. *cough*
Yeah, yeah...Tiki is really different from all the other Noahs, that's why I love him so much <3 <3.

The fight between him and Allen, I guess there will be one again, will certainly get exciting.
And from all the Noahs, I think is the most capable to betray the Earl.

rhapsody blue
February 04, 2007, 11:17 AM
Good idea about But Tyki, you're family idea. Road's telling Tyki that he is a part of the dangerous Noah family is reminding him that he is under the service of the Earl and that he should do what he is told even if it requires sacrificing his life.

Schwindelmagier
February 04, 2007, 11:54 AM
Are you sure Rhode would told him to do what he's told by the Earl after she and Tiki did something the Earl appearently didn't know of, the door-thingy....the only exit to get out of this arck that is about to download.

Koen
February 04, 2007, 01:23 PM
Hey I have thinking about a symbol: that coin. Don't you guys sometimes think when you doubt, that choosing is different and that you'll try to make a choice by not what he's thinking inside but what the others are doing. Couldn't the coin be a significance to that. Suppose you always doubt, and are never sure. But you don't what to decide yourself. What? a coin: head or cross? what will it be tiky?

I think that coin really represents the doubt of tiky and I think rhoades, noah, earl are a side of the coin and allen, excorsist, humans are a side of the coin[br]Posted on: February 04, 2007, 01:18:45 PM_________________________________________________or it could be:

noahs are fighting while they are used for something different (the sacrificial lambs). tiky asking acting on their (noah) own, wouldn't that mean that it's a hindrance of his plan. While rhoades says that it's because of their violent acts that they act on their own. But what's tiky his role? [br]Posted on: February 04, 2007, 01:21:58 PM_________________________________________________the coin says: allen walker.

rose
February 04, 2007, 03:22 PM
Hey I have thinking about a symbol: that coin. Don't you guys sometimes think when you doubt, that choosing is different and that you'll try to make a choice by not what he's thinking inside but what the others are doing. Couldn't the coin be a significance to that. Suppose you always doubt, and are never sure. But you don't what to decide yourself. What? a coin: head or cross? what will it be tiky?

I think that coin really represents the doubt of tiky and I think rhoades, noah, earl are a side of the coin and allen, excorsist, humans are a side of the coin[br]Posted on: February 04, 2007, 01:18:45 PM_________________________________________________or it could be:

noahs are fighting while they are used for something different (the sacrificial lambs). tiky asking acting on their (noah) own, wouldn't that mean that it's a hindrance of his plan. While rhoades says that it's because of their violent acts that they act on their own. But what's tiky his role? [br]Posted on: February 04, 2007, 01:21:58 PM_________________________________________________the coin says: allen walker.


It's not a coin, it's a button. He took it off of Allen's coat when he killed him. He appears to do that with all the Exorcists he kills, or at least he also took the button from General Yeeger and gave it to that boy (Ease? something like that).

rhapsody blue
February 04, 2007, 04:35 PM
Are you sure Rhode would told him to do what he's told by the Earl after she and Tiki did something the Earl appearently didn't know of, the door-thingy....the only exit to get out of this arck that is about to download.


I mean, if you're a member of the family then you would do what's best for the family.



It's not a coin, it's a button. He took it off of Allen's coat when he killed him. He appears to do that with all the Exorcists he kills, or at least he also took the button from General Yeeger and gave it to that boy (Ease? something like that).


Yep, it's a button. He took it from Allen in chapter 56. I think he likes to keep a souvenir of each of his victims.

Koen
February 04, 2007, 05:26 PM
It's not a coin, it's a button. He took it off of Allen's coat when he killed him. He appears to do that with all the Exorcists he kills, or at least he also took the button from General Yeeger and gave it to that boy (Ease? something like that).


I only said coin to compare the button with a coin where you choose your side...

tune
February 05, 2007, 07:09 AM
i think the noahs probably have no choice to choosing sides in the war, at least, by their instinct (since the traitorous noah allied with a human...)

there is only a single problem now -> tiki represents "pleasure"

so i'd imagine:
black side -> enjoys killing exorcists & humans
white side -> enjoys traveling with humans

and since exorcists are humans...the grief of each individual side is the opposite of the latter.
so that makes tiki happy & sad at the same time while doing his job for the earl & traveling with his human friends

but that still puts tiki in a special category in which he is the only? noah who actually truely has a side/nature of appreciating humans :)

Schwindelmagier
February 05, 2007, 08:38 AM
My God, Tiki is really a poor guy. Feeling two different feelings at the same time. ;_;
On the other hand, he once said, after he killed Deesha Berry in chapter 43:
"If I'm not careful, I won't be able to go back. I don't want to lose it. Just...the white side of me. And the black side of me...having both it what it makes so enjoyable."
Kinda creepy sentence and then this creepy crazy face <3 <3.

So, my conclusion is...
Since his white side likes to travel with humans, he knows their feelings in certain situations. And when his black side kills a human, he exactly knows, through the experiences in the white form, how his victim feels. In the moment of death. How the angst is overflowing one's body.
("It's better if this brave fellow is given a bit more time before he dies. He will die as he agonizes the fear invading his body, as blood pours from his heart.")
Maybe that's why he things it's so enjoyable. He can take advantage of both side of him and combine them to have the ultimate pleasure xD.

Meccamputechture
February 07, 2007, 08:11 PM
Maybe that's why he things it's so enjoyable. He can take advantage of both side of him and combine them to have the ultimate pleasure xD.



I fully agree. That's what I think Noah's pleasure is all about. I see that pleasure as indulgence: A catering to someone's mood or whim. There's only one way for a Noah to gain full happiness, that's to enjoy life on both the white side and the dark side; as a human and as a super human (non/anti-human?). We've seen that Tyki loves his friends as a human. When he becomes black, he is nowhere near them and is instead elsewhere killing to fulfil his pleasure and keep it overflowing.

At the moment, I can't really see where the Noah's stand. I mean, they have two sides...no matter how you look at that it definitely means that no one side on its own is the complete description of that Noah. The black side of the Noah which seems to be dedicated to assisting the earl masks the white side of the Noah; the side that was always around before awakening. I am sure, absolutely sure, that the goal of the Noah's is different from that of the Earl's.

Let's look at the first page. I'll try my hardest not to take this out of context but think about the term "their dark desires". Anything shrouded in darkness can't be completely seen. What I'm getting at is that their dark desires are set of desires that are known only to them, and not to the Earl.

Just to quickly move away from what I've just been saying, Tyki is looking bored and flipping Allen's button while asking Road if the Earl is angry with them. I wonder, has the Earl ever gotten angry with them before? Is the Earl really this terrifying?

Well, I think Tyki was asking about that because he felt that he had failed to accomplish and let the Earl down. He seems to have a lot on his plate, and putting a lot on his plate may be one of his means of entertainment and fulfilling pleasure. The crazy thing about the Noah family is that they represent each of these traits of Noah...but which one is most important, which trait? Noah's Dreams and his Pleasure must've been highly important...-gap for more-

The faces that Tyki (and Road) make are very strong when Road comments on Tyki with the unfinished sentence...with this part, I believe Road was commenting on how precious and dangerous he is. "Angry" (Earl) "Danger" (Innocence) "Precious" (Noahs) "Dangerous" (Noahs). -still need to add more-

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God, sorry guys..this thread just makes my mind go wild...I can't make one post in one day...lol!

Schwindelmagier
February 08, 2007, 02:09 PM
Wow, a hugeeeee post ^_^
To the Earl, I can't really say if he gets angry at them so easily. Well, at leats to Rhode and Tiki he is always kind, especially to Rhode. But he can be really scary when the Noahs don't do their jiobs properly. Just remember the look in his eyes when he said this to Skin, Jasdero and Debitto...scaaaaaaaary~~

I guess Tiki is simple the most unreadable and unpredictable Noah between them cause, as you said, he is precious and dangerous. I like your detailed comment about this topic. unfortunately I can't counter with a similar long and interesting post xD, haha.