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destinator
February 15, 2007, 09:48 AM
Okay the newest chapter has arrived. Get your fix here. (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=15061.0)

Now we want to know what will happen next! Whats gonna be the next arc? Help us out ^_^

Enjoy and remember to be friendly and discuss in the right way :)

Please do not go off-topic, if you do want to discuss other Naruto matters, please use the Naruto Hang Out thread, or the Toshokan.

There's also the Naruto 343 Agony Thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=15519.0). If you guys aren't there already and feel like venting on the lack of RAW, post there and not here. Any agony post in this thread will be deleted. ~ Ayah

kyubisharingan
February 15, 2007, 10:05 AM
more sasuke and taking over konoha!!!!!!!

wojo
February 15, 2007, 10:10 AM
More of Sasuke...i'm guessing Oro and the gang learn of the Akatsuki owning and Sasuke gets surprised and maybe a lil worried about how strong Naruto has gotten. He might even become bitter like he used to.
I'm thinking there's gonna be more trainging with perfecting the new jutsu and Zetzu coming to collect the rings.

tahus
February 15, 2007, 10:21 AM
I was very pleased with this chapter i gotta say even though i havent read the translation of the last pages it looks prety good. I can't stop thinking about sasuke and orichimaru i wonder where they are , which village. They couldn't possbily be in konoha so maybe they are raiding a village to test their powers. I hope we will se more of them later Ori and Sas. I guess we'll see akatsuki get the news about their defeated comrades and get real pissed off.

UzumakiRoman
February 15, 2007, 11:03 AM
More of Sasuke...i'm guessing Oro and the gang learn of the Akatsuki owning and Sasuke gets surprised and maybe a lil worried about how strong Naruto has gotten. He might even become bitter like he used to.
I'm thinking there's gonna be more trainging with perfecting the new jutsu and Zetzu coming to collect the rings.


that's an interesting twist you propose! if they find out that naruto beat an akatsuki Sasuke would definitely get jealous!!
then we can bring him back into the storyline. i wanna see some Sasuke and Oro!!

prediction: Kabuto comes back with news of Naruto's win, Sasuke becomes jealous, Oro becomes intrigued!

amphreded
February 15, 2007, 11:19 AM
I don't think Sasuka will get jealous anymore, rather probably deep down inside he will be proud of what Naruto has become. After that big fight on the waterwall, Sasuka has already accepted Naruto's strength and they had established a good bond when Naruto referred Sasuke as a brother - it's just that Sasuke is still stubborn with revenge so he can't show his true feelings to his comrades.

HisshouBuraiKen
February 15, 2007, 11:27 AM
whoops, your scan made me realize I messed up the page numbering (what else is new?) It's been fixed now.

hitokugutsu
February 15, 2007, 11:55 AM
The return of the most overhyped character ever!!
Anyway I think that Sasuke and Orochi are going on Akatsuki hunt. Since naruto has taken out a member, Sasuke can't stay behind :amuse

segarraramon
February 15, 2007, 12:13 PM
well i think that the people that were beaten by sasuke are sound ninjas and he is training not in combat. well i think that next week will see atkatsuki colecting the bodys of kakusu and diera. problem is the nara clan namely shikas father will impede the taking of the rings and we will learn the power and the importance of these artifacts.[br]Posted on: February 15, 2007, 11:56:04 AM_________________________________________________well lets see we have now tested team seven or at least part of team seven, naruto can beat and atkatsuki so can sacura and kakashi we need to see if yamato and sai can hold there own. we Know that ino cant and that choji can't, but i wonder if shino kiba and hinata are growing in the same league. and for that mater what about lee tenten and neji they have yet gone head to head v atkasuki. so my prediction for the upcoming chapters is a invasion of konoha by more than one pair of atkatsuki. that will draw orochimaru and sasuke, for it will be a optimal time to attack the atkatsuki since they will be in a middle of a war. and to repay a favor by naruto our favorite kazekage will come. all out war in konoha.

Karma
February 15, 2007, 12:22 PM
anyone tell me who was saying these words in 342 "Can you sense it?" You're always there right in front of His eyes..
"he's Getting Stronger" Sasuke..


Is it someone saying it to Sasuke that Naruto is getting stronger? Or someone saying it to Naruto that Sasuke is getting stronger? :s

tscombo
February 15, 2007, 12:30 PM
anyone tell me who was saying these words in 342 "Can you sense it?" You're always there right in front of His eyes..
"he's Getting Stronger" Sasuke..


Is it someone saying it to Sasuke that Naruto is getting stronger? Or someone saying it to Naruto that Sasuke is getting stronger? :s
It seens that it was Kakashi thinking those statements while looking at Naruto.

wojo
February 15, 2007, 12:32 PM
Kakashi is saying it, acting like he's talking to Sasuke

Karma
February 15, 2007, 12:45 PM
thanks Guys.. I can tell Kakashi know that Naruto going to beat the shit out of Orochimaru one day. Because Naruto getting that strong over a short amount of time. I can tell soon are later on in Naruto series Jiraiya going to fight Naruto to see whether he had Surpassed him and able to defeat Orochimaru.

Sasuke going to be Surprised how strong Naruto became over that short time they saw each other. and they going to use each other to get stronger to defeat there enemy. even thou it would be better sasuke stay evil. :smile-big Because that will push Naruto to get even stronger. :)

ultrazai
February 15, 2007, 01:22 PM
oro and sasuke will face an akatsuki next thats 4 sure (in my opinion)
i also like the konoha attack thesis
so what about akatsuke trying to get oro back because they lack members now and then sasuke starts testing his new power in a battle with them :)

Medisuena
February 15, 2007, 01:32 PM
DONT GET MAD AT ME BECOUSE I LOVE NARUTO AND THINK THE LAST CAPS HAVE BEEN SUPER BUT IT'S JUST ONE THING THAT I DISLIKE.

Am i the only one that think that Naruto is not that strong??
He can just use Kage bushin and Rasengan or as it now called Rasenshuriken!! I want him too show me some more jutsu's !!! He most have learned some of Jiraya i want to see some more about the training he did with Jiraya ^^

Saifi
February 15, 2007, 02:00 PM
i say akatsuki members are not on the same level, so i think that konoha lucked out in getting 3 , but ya now its time for oro + sauske to go take out a couple out themselves , but like i said akatsuki are like bosses on a video game ! each one more stronger than the last so i think the fights are gonna get much more tougher

ok , so it was mostly stating the obvious but i am sure there are some valid points in there !

Uchiha Slayer
February 15, 2007, 02:04 PM
I think in the next chapter we will see one of Orochimaru goal unfold. I think he's going to tell Sasuke that he have to take out some Akutsuki members to get to Itachi. I think we will see Naruto talking to Kakashi or somebody about Sasuke. Some where along those lines.

wojo
February 15, 2007, 02:25 PM
That would be awesome to see Orochimaru and Sasuke fight some Akatsuki members. Take out the weak ones, like Deidara or maybe Tobi. Those two seem like they're on the low end of the totem pole.

chocohexe
February 15, 2007, 02:36 PM
I dont think Sasu and Oro are fighting Akas because, when this happens all the good bad boys are gone. And i would laugh my ass of, if the members of the super strong group are falling down like flys :p, that would be so stupid. In the end the net chap has to be awensome, i hope so.

Navarr0Newton
February 15, 2007, 02:50 PM
DONT GET MAD AT ME BECOUSE I LOVE NARUTO AND THINK THE LAST CAPS HAVE BEEN SUPER BUT IT'S JUST ONE THING THAT I DISLIKE.

Am i the only one that think that Naruto is not that strong??
He can just use Kage bushin and Rasengan or as it now called Rasenshuriken!! I want him too show me some more jutsu's !!! He most have learned some of Jiraya i want to see some more about the training he did with Jiraya ^^

i love u.THANK U.naruto doesnt seem 2 have gotten any stronger b sides tthe new jutsu.
he really does need 2 change those clothes and get a new fighting style cuz clones just arent cutting it.

shachi
February 15, 2007, 02:59 PM
Against the backdrop of some team shuffling, we'll get an inkling as to how Akatsuki reacts to the situation with Hidan/Kakuzu + an idea of what Orochimaru is up to.

With Kurenai pregnant, perhaps she will receive a leave of absence, and we'll be introduced to a new sensei for Team 8.

Who is going to take over for Asuma? Kakashi? But Kakashi has tracking skills himself, so perhaps he'll fill in for Kurenai.

bennibb
February 15, 2007, 03:29 PM
abit :offtopic Maybe there is no "teams" from that class anymore. It might be just a saying... they are all chuunins or jounin(s) now... (nvm Naruto's rank). But it may look like Yamato is taking over Kakashis role due to his skill with Naruto... Or... that thing with teams may just blow out in the sand.

Anyway, i think and hope we'll see more of Sasuke Oro and Kabuto now... Previous glimts didnt do it wel enough for me. The idea of them fighting anyone know just to get a better peak of Sasukes streght is a good one. Those ppl he just defeted might have been retards... And someone gotta tell Aka about the loose of members (hi Zetzu... your up). And somehow... Jiraya comes along again... with new intell i guess... or just to see Narutos jutsu. And Naruto MUST be awy much better than he is... Sasuke is no use to him dead... And he almost got beaten himself with that jutsu... So smarter move on Sasuke plz and more jutsus have to come... And Hidan has to be eaten... or else he might be comming back (might might might so no flame with OMFG hes lost forever). And Naruto has to find a new Wind teacher... maybe Gaara??? or someone in that area??? :blink

shinigamiboy
February 15, 2007, 04:02 PM
anyone dislike the idea of naruto being stronger kakashi.. even tho it looks like naruto getting a lucky hit on kakazu...
neways my very first prediction wil be that next chapter will either be about sasuke and oro going for akatsuki... or maybe just a long chilled out chapter with lots of talking between naruto & co.

Smubeht
February 15, 2007, 04:29 PM
I dont dislike that idea..Kakashi being my favorite character even. If you look at the other pair. I think Sasuke is now stronger than Orochimaru. Only thing is that Orochimaru knows a lot more about jutsus and also has experience over him. Strength and Power only get you so far. It is maturing into a strong minded shinobi that differentiates you. Kakashi and Shikamaru both are not as strong as Naruto, but they are definitely better ninja then Naruto. Sure, Naruto has a kickass jutsu now, but there is only so much strategy in his mind. Let me trick him with bunshins and then hit him with this move. What happens when that move is not strong enough alone and he needs other resources in order to defeat the enemy. Kakashi and Shikamaru are very resourceful and analyze the situation a lot better than he does. Even that kage bunshin analyzing thing. It is a waste of chakra still. He makes them and then poof just to see what he is up against. I guess its better than running head on from the start but still. Until Naruto becomes a really smart ninja, not just smart enough for Chouji to call him smart, he is still on a second rate level. He knows like 5-7 jutsus. Shikamaru and Kakashi are trapped by their limited chakra. The reason Naruto appears so strong is that infinite chakra inside. If kakashi or Shikamaru controlled that they would be ULTIMATE ninja. Think about shikamaru actually being able to hold his kagemane on ppl and crush them with the choke because he has a lot of chakra that doesnt empty after 5 seconds. Or kakashi being able to use raikiri over and over without any loss of power, as well as MS.

Karma
February 15, 2007, 04:30 PM
anyone dislike the idea of naruto being stronger kakashi.. even tho it looks like naruto getting a lucky hit on kakazu...
neways my very first prediction wil be that next chapter will either be about sasuke and oro going for akatsuki... or maybe just a long chilled out chapter with lots of talking between naruto & co.

Nope.. I like that fact that Naruto is getting stronger than Kakashi.

I just can't wait for Naruto to look as tall as Kakashi.. Plus that Jutsu is not alone that make Kakashi said Naruto has surpassed him..

He trained by Jiraiya Who taught the 4th Hokage. Plus he complete the steps for is new jutsu that not even the 4th could have done. With doing all that he's able perform new Jutsu aswell with the Knowledge he had gain from the completion of is first S rank jutsu.

Zaloof
February 15, 2007, 04:33 PM
probarly the next chapter gonna have only sasuke action

Karma
February 15, 2007, 04:50 PM
I dont dislike that idea..Kakashi being my favorite character even. If you look at the other pair. I think Sasuke is now stronger than Orochimaru. Only thing is that Orochimaru knows a lot more about jutsus and also has experience over him. Strength and Power only get you so far. It is maturing into a strong minded shinobi that differentiates you. Kakashi and Shikamaru both are not as strong as Naruto, but they are definitely better ninja then Naruto. Sure, Naruto has a kickass jutsu now, but there is only so much strategy in his mind. Let me trick him with bunshins and then hit him with this move. What happens when that move is not strong enough alone and he needs other resources in order to defeat the enemy. Kakashi and Shikamaru are very resourceful and analyze the situation a lot better than he does. Even that kage bunshin analyzing thing. It is a waste of chakra still. He makes them and then poof just to see what he is up against. I guess its better than running head on from the start but still. Until Naruto becomes a really smart ninja, not just smart enough for Chouji to call him smart, he is still on a second rate level. He knows like 5-7 jutsus. Shikamaru and Kakashi are trapped by their limited chakra. The reason Naruto appears so strong is that infinite chakra inside. If kakashi or Shikamaru controlled that they would be ULTIMATE ninja. Think about shikamaru actually being able to hold his kagemane on ppl and crush them with the choke because he has a lot of chakra that doesnt empty after 5 seconds. Or kakashi being able to use raikiri over and over without any loss of power, as well as MS.
Come on, you don't have to go there... If you should say all that about Naruto.. Why don't you say Kakashi without Sharigan? He would be a great Ninja still, but not like he is today.

Shikamaru without Asuma Knifes.. I know you getting where I’m going and it can go on with everyone in Naruto.

Shikamaru is smart. But if you should say that if they had enough chakra they would be the best. Suppose Itachi to Have the Nine tails inside of him? Stop the damn suppose and what if! The characters don’t make up like that so stop acting like you going to re-write the story.

Naruto is smart and getting smarter than Kakashi by time goes by with experience.. You didn't see how kakashi was shock to see how fast naruto made up a strategy on the spot? Kakashi is basically saying he couldn't have done that in other words.. What you talking about Chouji didn’t call him smart? He did and look who he was trying to compare him with, Shikamaru. Out of all the genius out of the leaf village he chooses that guy who is even smarter than Kakashi. Stop complaining!

Naruto is Twice the Ninja Shikamaru is.. Because Naruto risk is life 10 times the amount Shika does since i start watching this series.. Shikamaru only risk is life only twice so far.


Naruto got the skills and the Jutsu to be one of the best Ninja in the Series. like it or not. IS Kage Bunshin is a weapon and using it to its full potential is what you call smart.

Without the Nine tail in side of Naruto he have twice amount of chakra Kakashi have. so no matter what you say he would be a better fighter than kakashi & the 4th Hokage later down in life.

Zaloof
February 15, 2007, 05:04 PM
That would be awesome to see Orochimaru and Sasuke fight some Akatsuki members. Take out the weak ones, like Deidara or maybe Tobi. Those two seem like they're on the low end of the totem pole.


u shoudent underestimate akatsuki, Diadara was strong to capture Garaa
also we dont know anything about Tobi, he may be as strong as Itachi !!

Skeith
February 15, 2007, 05:31 PM
@karma i think he was saying that chouji is stupid, not that chouji thouhgt naruto is smart and i think kakashi was shocked at naruto's improvement with the information gathering aspects of the kage bunshin... naruto used them to get an idea of his opponents strengths before just not it the same manner nor with the same success...

lets face it naruto is not that much of a ninja compared to shikamaru the only reason he has more success is because of his chakra and the only reason he risks his life more then shikamaru (as far as we've seen) is because of the kyuubi

if kakashi or shikamaru had the amount of chakra naruto has they would most likely beat him easily, kakashi with his massive arsenal of experience and jutsus and shikamaru with his intelligence... but because they don't he'd probably win with brute force rahter then skill and discretion like an actual ninja

naruto does need some more jutsus that he can use to be more flexible and more effective... i think i wanted to say more but idk... well umm... yeah talk to you later guys ^.^

oh wait prediction... umm... whatever happens next chapter it will not satisfy us enough to get through the week with out thinking "where the fu(|< is this going?"

or at the very least... i won't be happy lol

PredatorNar
February 15, 2007, 06:33 PM
Well, it's now confirmed. Naruto has surpassed Kakashi and Kakashi admitted it.

Someone said Sasuke surpassed Orochimaru. I don't think so. Sasuke is still some way from surpassing a Sannin.

Skeith, stop putting down Naruto. Ninja isn't all about genius (in terms of intelligence). Naruto is still intelligent (Otherwise he wouldn't of beaten Kakuzu).

The next arc, hopefully, they'll show the unknown woman's face and I hope we finally get to see Tobi fight! Let's confirm this friggin Obito=Tobi theory already!!! :p

mrcongojack
February 15, 2007, 06:51 PM
I think we'll something about the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist....we haven't heard anything from them in a while. Maybe another rogue member or an alliance with the Sound. I also think there will be a team up with Hinata, Shino and Kiba seeing as the last mission was with Ino, Shikamaru and Choji.

By the way, when did this become a character discussion board?

Smubeht
February 15, 2007, 07:07 PM
All I was saying was that Naruto if not for his abundant chakra would not be considered that great a ninja. Yeah his effort is outstanding, and his will to learn is great. I did not disagree with him getting smarter. But he is still not in league of intelligence with Shikamaru and Kakashi. As far as Shikamaru and those knives. THose knives only helped a little bit. It wasn't like that was the pinnacle of the battle. IE when he went into the forest, there was no knife use. He took out Hidan, and Akatsuki singlehandedly. Kakuzu had already lost 2 of his hearts. 2/5 of his power basically as he was no longer able to use those elements. So Naruto beat a (stronger than hidan) but not full power Kakuzu.

Naruto is definitely getting stronger, and I do like him as a character, but my point is he has to develop a lot more to be in league of Kakashi. Kakashi had not even used MS against Kakuzu so we cannot say Naruto is better than Kakashi. Kakashi might have been thinking of using it, but when Naruto and them came it became unecessary. Why would he want to drain out all his remaining chakra when he has 4 members who are there to aid.

Next chapter I predict that Sasuke and Orochimaru will begin some plot. Naruto will continue training to perfect the finished rasengan. Shikamaru clearly has a new person to train with. Sakura and Sai did not show us anything atm. Word will get back to AL and Deidara will clearly have his laugh "I told them to watch out for Naruto" or whatever.

Karma
February 15, 2007, 07:38 PM
@karma i think he was saying that chouji is stupid, not that chouji thouhgt naruto is smart and i think kakashi was shocked at naruto's improvement with the information gathering aspects of the kage bunshin... naruto used them to get an idea of his opponents strengths before just not it the same manner nor with the same success...

lets face it naruto is not that much of a ninja compared to shikamaru the only reason he has more success is because of his chakra and the only reason he risks his life more then shikamaru (as far as we've seen) is because of the kyuubi

if kakashi or shikamaru had the amount of chakra naruto has they would most likely beat him easily, kakashi with his massive arsenal of experience and jutsus and shikamaru with his intelligence... but because they don't he'd probably win with brute force rahter then skill and discretion like an actual ninja
Okay. I get what he was saying now.

But how you can compare to Kakashi? Kakashi has the Sharigan that he didn't born with and i know its not like he asked for it. Same goes for the Nine Tail in Naruto.

Naruto has more chakra than Kakashi with out the nine tail. He came from a strong bloodline as well if he's anyway related to the 4th hokage.

The Sharigan Able Kakashi to copy & perform so many Jutsu with out actually studying like Ordinadry people like Naruto.
We all know Kakashi came from a strong bloodline as well.

But either way you take it like it is, Naruto is destine to surpass Kakashi and is better than Shakamaru. When Naruto fight he didn't do it because he has the nine tails inside of him. He didn't know about Kyubi inside of him when he faught Haku... That tell you Naruto Character is made to down play is most of is Abilities.

Don't you ever wonder why Naruto has this thing about him to make people who were doing bad to start doing good or some sort of good? Isn't there some thing special about that kid if he’s so small and yet has the strongest beast inside of him and it doesn’t take over is body like Garra who couldn't fell a sleep at nights?

Naruto learn a Jutsu that Not even the 4th or Kakashi couldn't do.

Even Orichimaru was surprise that Naruto could control the Nine tail Chakra at is age. Kabuto mention to Orochimaru if he had know about Naruto would he bother to go after sasuke.

That tell you that Naruto is the choosen one and he might act silly at times. But more and more he's accepting that he's destine to become the strongest Ninja out of the leaf Village and its not some dream like everyone have about being the next hokage.

Shikamaru playing an important role in Naruto, But he’s not better than Sasuke or Neji no matter how smart you think he is. Fighting either of those will lead to Shikamaru death. And if you Agreed with that.. You will realize that it’s the same fighting Naruto.

Shikamaru can’t fight Gara , why? He doesn’t have that courage to push him to do it & the power. But Naruto , Neji, Sasuke would do it with out an hesitate.

Shikamaru could never kill someone like Kakazu no matter what he planned. Because Kakazu is smart and have power and jutsu to back it up..
[br]Posted on: February 15, 2007, 07:14:27 PM_________________________________________________

All I was saying was that Naruto if not for his abundant chakra would not be considered that great a ninja. Yeah his effort is outstanding, and his will to learn is great. I did not disagree with him getting smarter. But he is still not in league of intelligence with Shikamaru and Kakashi. As far as Shikamaru and those knives. THose knives only helped a little bit. It wasn't like that was the pinnacle of the battle. IE when he went into the forest, there was no knife use. He took out Hidan, and Akatsuki singlehandedly. Kakuzu had already lost 2 of his hearts. 2/5 of his power basically as he was no longer able to use those elements. So Naruto beat a (stronger than hidan) but not full power Kakuzu.

Naruto is definitely getting stronger, and I do like him as a character, but my point is he has to develop a lot more to be in league of Kakashi. Kakashi had not even used MS against Kakuzu so we cannot say Naruto is better than Kakashi. Kakashi might have been thinking of using it, but when Naruto and them came it became unecessary. Why would he want to drain out all his remaining chakra when he has 4 members who are there to aid.

Next chapter I predict that Sasuke and Orochimaru will begin some plot. Naruto will continue training to perfect the finished rasengan. Shikamaru clearly has a new person to train with. Sakura and Sai did not show us anything atm. Word will get back to AL and Deidara will clearly have his laugh "I told them to watch out for Naruto" or whatever.
I agreed with most of what you said here... But remember that Kakuzu had 3 hearts left out of 5 which kakashi took out only one. And remember that Kakashi took that one heart out because Kakuzu didn't know he was there.

Kakashi fighting Kakuzu one & one is a dead Kakashi with Kakuzu having 3 heart. Kakashi almost died twice during the fight with Kakuzu.

Kakuzu isn't only fast. but stronger and has a lot of fighting experience to share between Naruto & Kakashi.

So Naruto deserve to get credit for defeating Kakuzu the way he did. I know he need to develope more jutsu before you can say he's great. But Naruto and Shakimaru shouldn't be compared because Naruto is the lead character and He owns Shakimaru Character.

Shakimaru doesn't have much more to grow. But Naruto has that Ability to continue growing.

Off topic*** Plus using Kage Bunshin isn't wasting chakra if you have unlimited Chakra. Shakimaru can't be at 2-3 place
at one time. naruto can... Naruto getting smart to the point where they start asking him question is some thing i foresee. [br]Posted on: February 15, 2007, 07:36:28 PM_________________________________________________

Well, it's now confirmed. Naruto has surpassed Kakashi and Kakashi admitted it.

Someone said Sasuke surpassed Orochimaru. I don't think so. Sasuke is still some way from surpassing a Sannin.

Skeith, stop putting down Naruto. Ninja isn't all about genius (in terms of intelligence). Naruto is still intelligent (Otherwise he wouldn't of beaten Kakuzu).


Agreed with you totally.

aziboxe
February 15, 2007, 07:50 PM
but then sasuke on top of all those bodies is pushin at narutos strenght ^_~

hm, but one big jutsu + one trick......... i want more.

next chapter- brief insight on oro and sasuke's plans
they may get the news about the 2 new 'dead' akatsuki. and its getting closer =0.
and maybe some tobi + diedra

WinterLion
February 15, 2007, 08:43 PM
Hey guys this is a next chapter (specifically 343) Predictions Thread. ^^ If you want to discuss the current chapter, please go to the 342 Discussions Thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=14582.270). Thanks.

PredatorNar
February 15, 2007, 09:37 PM
Pfft, Kakashi described Naruto's intelligence and power and then said "He surpassed me" so in terms in intelligence NARUTO SURPASSED KAKASHI. Kakashi talked about how Naruto developed a 2nd plan so fast after the first one failed and Kakashi seemed like he couldn't believe it.

Friggin accept it. Naruto has surpassed Kakashi as a shinobi.

Now onto other matters. Some people said Sasuke is stronger than Orochimaru. I think not. Why would Orochimaru train Sasuke to be stronger than him? If that were so, what would stop Sasuke from just betraying Orochimaru later down the road?

I believe Jiraiya will make another appearance and Naruto will rest a day, eat Ramen, etc. then resume his training as Kakashi looks on with envy :p

sirlipton
February 15, 2007, 09:39 PM
id like to see oro and sasuke run into someone from akutsuki, revealing more of sasukes power... it would go something like this= Sasuke and the akutsuki member go at it and it looks like they are evenly matched but then sasuke laughs and stops fighting and tells them they are about to die then he unleashes his true power and completely annialates the akut member like hes nothing.

PredatorNar
February 15, 2007, 09:44 PM
id like to see oro and sasuke run into someone from akutsuki, revealing more of sasukes power... it would go something like this= Sasuke and the akutsuki member go at it and it looks like they are evenly matched but then sasuke laughs and stops fighting and tells them they are about to die then he unleashes his true power and completely annialates the akut member like hes nothing.


We're talking about Akatsuki members, not Kakashi lol

I don't think there is any Akatsuki members, now that Hidan is incapacitated, that Sasuke can defeat. I'm pretty sure Deidara will kill Sasuke since Deidara is a long range fighter who can fight from the sky and Deidara is resourceful.

ninetailfox
February 15, 2007, 09:57 PM
my prediction for the next chapter:

Mini arc about sasuke and oro, doing some kindof mission. Could lead to the next main arc, zetsu-sasuke arc where they fighting, got to see zetsu's ability,aahh, too much imagination!! :p it would be cool if its happen!

Karma
February 15, 2007, 10:26 PM
Pfft, Kakashi described Naruto's intelligence and power and then said "He surpassed me" so in terms in intelligence NARUTO SURPASSED KAKASHI. Kakashi talked about how Naruto developed a 2nd plan so fast after the first one failed and Kakashi seemed like he couldn't believe it.

Friggin accept it. Naruto has surpassed Kakashi as a shinobi.

Now onto other matters. Some people said Sasuke is stronger than Orochimaru. I think not. Why would Orochimaru train Sasuke to be stronger than him? If that were so, what would stop Sasuke from just betraying Orochimaru later down the road?

I believe Jiraiya will make another appearance and Naruto will rest a day, eat Ramen, etc. then resume his training as Kakashi looks on with envy :p
Someone else with sense... agreed with what you said..[br]Posted on: February 15, 2007, 10:20:32 PM_________________________________________________

We're talking about Akatsuki members, not Kakashi lol

I don't think there is any Akatsuki members, now that Hidan is incapacitated, that Sasuke can defeat. I'm pretty sure Deidara will kill Sasuke since Deidara is a long range fighter who can fight from the sky and Deidara is resourceful.
True.. I think Sasuke fighting Deidara would be trouble. But sasuke might can win if he goes curse level 2 where he can fly as well. So think about it..

ninetailfox
February 15, 2007, 10:26 PM
yes, that also bother me a little, kakashi himself stated that naruto has surpassed him, but just in destructive power but also intelligence? i think what kakashi meant is cleverness in battle not the intelligence in term of knowledge-wise. thats what i think! :blink

Karma
February 15, 2007, 11:06 PM
yes, that also bother me a little, kakashi himself stated that naruto has surpassed him, but just in destructive power but also intelligence? i think what kakashi meant is cleverness in battle not the intelligence in term of knowledge-wise. thats what i think! :blink
Well, If someone say i'm clever that mean i'm smart, right?

So it all boils down to if Naruto actually surpassed Kakashi sensi, Yes!

Kakashi said it him self. He could tell Naruto gotten stronger from is training with Jiriaya but didn't know to what level. But learning a Jutsu that even the 4th couldn't have done muchless kakashi. that mean he's really strong and he did it within a month.

It might look hard to believe that naruto with just on jutsu surpassed Kakashi sensi. But most of the Jutsu Kakashi learn is because of is sharingan thats why they called him copy kakashi.

Naruto learn to do the rasengan and is more than able to do chedori. he know how to use is wind element and know how to fuse it as well and able to pop out 3 of is new Jutsu already with out rest! and that don't show you how strong he gotten? lol

Naruto is clever in battle and thats what it is to become the Hokage. You think that the 3rd Hokage was smarter than is partner? Nope. he just stronger from what i understand so far and love to put is self on the front line just to save a life...

ninetailfox
February 15, 2007, 11:16 PM
yeah, maybe its just too hard to accept that our cool kakashi has been surpassed by naruto. i mean naruto is cool but this "surpass thing" could downgrade the coolness of kakashi, you know what i mean? we will see kakash as just another character, not so importantto the story, thats jut too sad :o

but i think that should have happen sooner or later, so there we go...

Karma
February 16, 2007, 12:02 AM
yeah, maybe its just too hard to accept that our cool kakashi has been surpassed by naruto. i mean naruto is cool but this "surpass thing" could downgrade the coolness of kakashi, you know what i mean? we will see kakash as just another character, not so importantto the story, thats jut too sad :o

but i think that should have happen sooner or later, so there we go...

Kakashi will still be a cool person. Because comparing to the main Character is always a plus. Naruto stand out than all the Characters in Naruto series and thats how it should be.. Its about Naruto. But the writer couldn't make him into a genius then whats the fun into watching him beat shit out of everyone? So i think people need to give the writer more credit and Naruto as well.

darkstar7
February 16, 2007, 12:21 AM
yeah, maybe its just too hard to accept that our cool kakashi has been surpassed by naruto. i mean naruto is cool but this "surpass thing" could downgrade the coolness of kakashi, you know what i mean? we will see kakash as just another character, not so importantto the story, thats jut too sad :o

but i think that should have happen sooner or later, so there we go...


to me, it really shows how powerful a first impression can be to last all the way until now, where it's still hard to believe naruto surpassed kakashi, especially since the first bell test!

it's hard to really predict what's gonna happen in the next chapter, i hate when it gets left open-ended like this. I hope that bit at the end w/sasuke and oro wasn't just showing us a little bit and the next chapter really will get back to focus on them!

in this upcoming arc, here's some things that just HAVE to happen - team 8 in action! (only group that hasn't done anything yet the part II) and
I think we'll get to see sai actually fight someone one on one!

oro's group vs. akatsuki? oh man...now THAT is a good prediction...we can all dream...

Toad Sage
February 16, 2007, 01:47 AM
Predicting these next few chapters will be difficult, as it will amount to predicting what the next arc shall be. Obviously Orochimaru is returning with Sasuke, so that means the story is going to go Rescue Sasuke then defeat Akatsuki (as opposed to the reverse, which seemed possible a few months back).

This is kind of a long shot, but I'm going to base my prediction on a remark of Kishimoto's in an interview some time ago where he stated he's interested in exploring the relationship between Anko and Orochimaru. I think if Orochimaru is going to make a move against Konohoa, or Konohoa is going to be led to Orochimaru, it's very likely she will be the focal point of either possibility. It's also possible Kabuto could finally reveal his true nature: loyal Orochimaru sycophant or traitor! If Kishimoto has entirely forgotten about old Anko, he could still use Kabuto in the story in the same way.

Whatever the case, it's going to be interesting how the next arc will be motivated. I suppose it will involve the elder's council and Tsunade declaring a mission for Naruto, or Naruto persuading them to allow him to return to his pursuit of Sasuke now that he has demonstrated his prowess. This could mean Jiraiya cameos :) Indeed, I think Jiraiya is going to be a part of the rescue Sasuke arc, since I feel Kishimoto may run Naruto's effort to save Sasuke in parallel to Jiraiya's similar effort to settle the score with Orochimaru once and for all. Already we've seen Jiraiya compare his relationship to Orochimaru to Naruto's relationship to Sasuke. I can see this being used as a story telling device.

Anyway, who knows, a lot could happen! This is going to be pretty open ended, but I'm almost certain this will be the definitive rescue Sasuke mission. I can't imagine why else Kishimoto would show Sasuke's reluctance to kill unless he was trying to imply Sasuke was still worth saving. That in conjunction with Kakashi's recent remark that Naruto has surpassed him and the next generation is preparing to take over indicate to me this is finally it.

PredatorNar
February 16, 2007, 06:32 AM
I hope the Perverted Hermit makes an appearance soon. I actually want to see Jiraiya take on an Akatsuki member 1-on-1 and defeat him, because we still haven't seen Jiraiya in a serious match!

We've seen Orochimaru fight the 4-tails and Sandaime and we've seen Tsunade fight Kabuto. But what about Jiraiya? All you see is a few jutsus from him. I want to see him fight Kisame.

Oh and since Shikamaru has matured from that "Oh that's so troublesome" attitude, I predict he's gonna be VERY VERY valuable now. And if he keeps improving his shadow abilities, I would not be surprised if he helped in taking down another Akatsuki member.

Oh remember when Kakashi said each generation surpasses the one before? lol, how come Kakashi can't surpass the Sannins then? Heh

Equil
February 16, 2007, 07:15 AM
Oh remember when Kakashi said each generation surpasses the one before? lol, how come Kakashi can't surpass the Sannins then? Heh


Maybe the time has not come yet
but it will (i think)

and if i'm not mistaken ....
Itachi is in the same era with kakashi
and IMHO... Itachi can defeat the sannins

ninetailfox
February 16, 2007, 07:20 AM
heh, i also want that perverted hermit to do some action, i mean some serious action. untill now, we dont see how strong he is. is he that strong that itachi said he could die battling him? well we need an answer!! :blink

prediction: mini sasuke-oro arc, we will se them battling akatsuki member, maybe zetsu, heheh :p

Equil
February 16, 2007, 07:28 AM
Kakashi will still be a cool person. Because comparing to the main Character is always a plus. Naruto stand out than all the Characters in Naruto series and thats how it should be.. Its about Naruto. But the writer couldn't make him into a genius then whats the fun into watching him beat shit out of everyone? So i think people need to give the writer more credit and Naruto as well.


i have to agree with you
but still.... Naruto surpassed kakashi....
the feeling inside me just want to say no ... sadly

one of my fav charctr has been surpassed by naruto ...
http://iconhell.com/i/iconhell_surrealthoughtz_whyyou.gif

Koen
February 16, 2007, 10:10 AM
I am certain, and hope we'll see more about akatsuki reacting on their loss. Can't be different. I think everybody wants to know how they will react. And I think we'll see that in next chapter.

Oh and konoha is going to be attacked :D just guessing

mars0103
February 16, 2007, 11:02 AM
Am i right in thinking that the chunin exams are still on and part three is about to start. If that is the case naruto might be able to attend the last round under the 5th's and gaara's OK (loop hole for a person to go into the chunin exam late, two kage have to sign off) or if the chunin exams have relly finished naruto will be given the promotion like shikamaru did.

I was thinking about this because of the 5th's pause.

shachi
February 16, 2007, 12:12 PM
I think if Akatsuki is going to move against Konoha, then sending two of their precious members off on a mission is too risky. If I were Akatsuki, I'd first weaken Konoha by using one of the tailed beasts they've been extracting. And/Or hiring mercenaries disguised as the nin from a rival country, creating a false flag incident, and starting a war.

Skeith
February 16, 2007, 12:38 PM
im not reading what the rest of you said cuz im lazy but predatornar i didn't mean to say naruto is stupid or anything im saying he isnt' all that intelligent but he has gotten smarter and being a ninja isn't about intelligence though there is a bit of that involved as an actual ninja these characters don't even go about it the right way thats why i said in the Naruto-verse

@karma again (lol) umm... naruto did know he had the kyuubi in him... i believe it was before he even got into team 7 when he found out so thats incorrect...

and i was saying that as an actual ninja he wouldn't compare to either of them because he is too loud and goes with brute force instead of actual skill

and yes if shikamaru were to face any of those opponents he'd get his @$$ handed to him no doubt but thats only because he doesn't have the chakra capacity to complete most of his plans, although even if he did they'd most likely still pwn him lol

i do agree that naruto has his good points and it most likely will be shown (if they ever go into his past) that he has something about his bloodline that enables him to withstand the kyuubi's chakra and i think one of the reasons naruto can sleep and garra can't is because of how they were sealed... naruto with the 4ths justu and garra with some old-guys jutsu (i forget but i know its different) This will play into the fact that naruto will be the hokage (unless kishi pulls a twist and angers like all or most of the fans lol - oh god im giving him ideas!!) also take into consideration... naruto is the main character its like an unwritten law that he has to be great... or become great (weird huh?)

i think karma also mentioned that the 3rd wasn't smart or soemthing i dunno but he was called the professor or something cuz he was able to learn jutsus from like every element and i think they said he was supposed to be reallly smart (dunno just going off of a crappy memory dont' flame)

Naruto has surpassed kakashi but not in intelligence now let me say this: cleverness doesn't equal intelligence nartuo is quick thinking and clever but he has a lot to learn before he can actually be smarter then kakashi... beyond this (overall if you will) naruto is better then kakashi (who is still cool)

oh yeah and for anyone else who thinks i was attacking their favorite characters i kinda was but not really with an intention to hurt anyone umm... i'm just saying that if i were to ask any of my friends (before the arrival of naruto) what their opinions of what a ninja is they'd say stealth kills and martial arts and stuff like that not:
A: omg i gottsa sneak in!
*sneaks in*
B: Whats taht?
A: omg he saw me
*attacks*
B: *some random jutsu*
A: *another random jutsu*
B: oh god *summon big animal thing jutsu*
A: oh man *summons big animal thing as well*
*loud noises accompanying large fight*
A: whoo~ I won... I dont' think anyone heard me!

exaggerated yes but i think you get the idea that i feel they dont' use enough discretion to be a ninja IN THIS WORLD caps because in theirs its of course acceptable...

i probably strayed from any point i had so im sorry ... uhh.. dont' hate me cuz of my opinions and what-not

prediction.... maybe some of jirayia but i would like to see some more of sasuke and oro but only because i want to see some of sasuke's new techniques and maybe have another no holds barred fight between him and naruto ... the only problem is that i think this is gonna become Akatsuki>Sasuke>Akatsuki>Sasuke>etc... y'know and that would get annoying so hopefully it ends soon ^.^

ugh... maybe i should jsut shut up... yeah thats what i'll do... just shut up...

Karma
February 16, 2007, 01:32 PM
im not reading what the rest of you said cuz im lazy but predatornar i didn't mean to say naruto is stupid or anything im saying he isnt' all that intelligent but he has gotten smarter and being a ninja isn't about intelligence though there is a bit of that involved as an actual ninja these characters don't even go about it the right way thats why i said in the Naruto-verse

@karma again (lol) umm... naruto did know he had the kyuubi in him... i believe it was before he even got into team 7 when he found out so thats incorrect...

and i was saying that as an actual ninja he wouldn't compare to either of them because he is too loud and goes with brute force instead of actual skill

and yes if shikamaru were to face any of those opponents he'd get his @$$ handed to him no doubt but thats only because he doesn't have the chakra capacity to complete most of his plans, although even if he did they'd most likely still pwn him lol

i do agree that naruto has his good points and it most likely will be shown (if they ever go into his past) that he has something about his bloodline that enables him to withstand the kyuubi's chakra and i think one of the reasons naruto can sleep and garra can't is because of how they were sealed... naruto with the 4ths justu and garra with some old-guys jutsu (i forget but i know its different) This will play into the fact that naruto will be the hokage (unless kishi pulls a twist and angers like all or most of the fans lol - oh god im giving him ideas!!) also take into consideration... naruto is the main character its like an unwritten law that he has to be great... or become great (weird huh?)

i think karma also mentioned that the 3rd wasn't smart or soemthing i dunno but he was called the professor or something cuz he was able to learn jutsus from like every element and i think they said he was supposed to be reallly smart (dunno just going off of a crappy memory dont' flame)

Naruto has surpassed kakashi but not in intelligence now let me say this: cleverness doesn't equal intelligence nartuo is quick thinking and clever but he has a lot to learn before he can actually be smarter then kakashi... beyond this (overall if you will) naruto is better then kakashi (who is still cool)

oh yeah and for anyone else who thinks i was attacking their favorite characters i kinda was but not really with an intention to hurt anyone umm... i'm just saying that if i were to ask any of my friends (before the arrival of naruto) what their opinions of what a ninja is they'd say stealth kills and martial arts and stuff like that not:
A: omg i gottsa sneak in!
*sneaks in*
B: Whats taht?
A: omg he saw me
*attacks*
B: *some random jutsu*
A: *another random jutsu*
B: oh god *summon big animal thing jutsu*
A: oh man *summons big animal thing as well*
*loud noises accompanying large fight*
A: whoo~ I won... I dont' think anyone heard me!

exaggerated yes but i think you get the idea that i feel they dont' use enough discretion to be a ninja IN THIS WORLD caps because in theirs its of course acceptable...

i probably strayed from any point i had so im sorry ... uhh.. dont' hate me cuz of my opinions and what-not

prediction.... maybe some of jirayia but i would like to see some more of sasuke and oro but only because i want to see some of sasuke's new techniques and maybe have another no holds barred fight between him and naruto ... the only problem is that i think this is gonna become Akatsuki>Sasuke>Akatsuki>Sasuke>etc... y'know and that would get annoying so hopefully it ends soon ^.^

ugh... maybe i should jsut shut up... yeah thats what i'll do... just shut up...
He didn't know the Nine tails was inside of him. even when he fight haku.. You remember when Jiyriaya unlock the seal from Naruto belly? Thats when Naruto realized he had a beast inside of him. At first he just thought it was natural for him to heal that fast etc... get your fact straight..

Plus i never say the 3rd wasn't smart. But he's not smarter than the other 2 student the 1st trained that was in his group. You for get is partners is some lord thingy for the leaf village? I said he wasn't smarter than them. but stronger.

just like Naruto and is partners that Kakashi train. They smarter than Naruto, But not stronger..

Same goes for Shikamaru Group..... He's smart, But not stronger than Chouji.

Every group has someone like that... :eyeroll

Skeith
February 16, 2007, 02:15 PM
He didn't know the Nine tails was inside of him. even when he fight haku.. You remember when Jiyriaya unlock the seal from Naruto belly? Thats when Naruto realized he had a beast inside of him. At first he just thought it was natural for him to heal that fast etc... get your fact straight..


ok the first fricken chapter of the series naruto was told and realized that he has the kyuubi sealed in him get YOUR facts straight...

i'd show a picture but i don't have it on my compy if someone happens to that would be great

and as for the partner thing at first i didn't understand you but now i got it sorry for the confusion but i do agree with that

segarraramon
February 16, 2007, 02:27 PM
i will get in this even if was not invited naruto did know that the kiuby was sealed in him but what Mr. perverted thought naruto was to work the chakra and realize the fact that that chakra exist.

naruto is a extremely good ninja. sneaking into a situation is not his stile but can get it done. how about being in the presen of a ninja but not actually being there. kage bushin getting information about wind element, surprise its a kage bunshin, shikamaru never realized. how about fighting the sound ninja that was a spider freak all captured no sneaking around to get a second shoot and saving the day.
now naruto is a great ninja because he endures. i believe like Mr. Perverted be there be reliable be willing to struggle and persevere look at a problem and think out side the box. the 4th had was a master in inventive that’s how he developed his flash technique and the rasengan. its not that the 4th would never be able to merge rasengan with elemental jutsu is the fact that he died yung that stop him, well i believe that anyway.

but this forum is predictions so here a short term one no action in the next chapter

Karma
February 16, 2007, 02:58 PM
ok the first fricken chapter of the series naruto was told and realized that he has the kyuubi sealed in him get YOUR facts straight...



i'd show a picture but i don't have it on my compy if someone happens to that would be great

and as for the partner thing at first i didn't understand you but now i got it sorry for the confusion but i do agree with that
Oh well, I'll say he had know that the kyubi was inside of him but its not like he know how to use it until Jiriaya teach him about the 2 different chakra inside of him..


Plus i would like that picture when he was told that the Nine tail was inside of him. I think it was Muzik - I think spelled is name incorrectly, He's the one who told Naruto he had the beast inside of him after he tricked him to steeling the forbbiden scroll, Thats how learn the Kage Bunshin to whope is ass.

So you understand now that the 3rd wasn't the smartest out of the 1st Hokage students. The 3rd his similar to the Jiriaya, 4th, naruto etc.. Not the smartest of all. but the strongest because of Determination for Recognition among is peers.

I tell you over and Over that Naruto is Underrated.. Because Jiriaya was consider has fool/less of a ninja among is peers while growing up.. same goes for Naruto.. Same goes for the 4th Hokage.. But they all turn out to be great Ninja's..




[br]Posted on: February 16, 2007, 02:52:04 PM_________________________________________________

i will get in this even if was not invited naruto did know that the kiuby was sealed in him but what Mr. perverted thought naruto was to work the chakra and realize the fact that that chakra exist.

naruto is a extremely good ninja. sneaking into a situation is not his stile but can get it done. how about being in the presen of a ninja but not actually being there. kage bushin getting information about wind element, surprise its a kage bunshin, shikamaru never realized. how about fighting the sound ninja that was a spider freak all captured no sneaking around to get a second shoot and saving the day.
now naruto is a great ninja because he endures. i believe like Mr. Perverted be there be reliable be willing to struggle and persevere look at a problem and think out side the box. the 4th had was a master in inventive that’s how he developed his flash technique and the rasengan. its not that the 4th would never be able to merge rasengan with elemental jutsu is the fact that he died yung that stop him, well i believe that anyway.

but this forum is predictions so here a short term one no action in the next chapter


Well, I don't believe that the 4th died young thats why he didn't complete the Jutsu. Because Jiriaya is still alive and we still don't know if he tried to complete it or he done it. Jiyriaya might even stronger than the 4th while he was a Hokage. Jiyriaya might reject the position because of Orchimaru is friend that became evil.

Naruto is at a young age and he completed that Jutsu and that some thing to show you guys that Naruto isn't a normal kid..

Orichimaru and the 5th was so shock to see Naruto complete the rasengan in such a short time. that again just let you see how good he is. thats why Orichimaru wanted to take him out.. during that fight with the sannin..

ANBU4U
February 16, 2007, 03:10 PM
DONT GET MAD AT ME BECOUSE I LOVE NARUTO AND THINK THE LAST CAPS HAVE BEEN SUPER BUT IT'S JUST ONE THING THAT I DISLIKE.

Am i the only one that think that Naruto is not that strong??
He can just use Kage bushin and Rasengan or as it now called Rasenshuriken!! I want him too show me some more jutsu's !!! He most have learned some of Jiraya i want to see some more about the training he did with Jiraya ^^


It IS frustrating that we havent seen much of anything ud expect from two years of training with a sannin, I mean Sakura showed more progress by far. Tho admittedly, shw had a huge gap to fill in.

Karma
February 16, 2007, 03:16 PM
It IS frustrating that we havent seen much of anything ud expect from two years of training with a sannin, I mean Sakura showed more progress by far. Tho admittedly, shw had a huge gap to fill in.
Well, you wrong. Because if it was Sakura alone trying to get that bell from Kakashi it wouldn't work. Naruto could take that bell from Kakashi if he wants to with out the help of sakura. But Sakura couldn't do the same because she would never come up with some thing like what Naruto did..

Plus what Naruto show thus far isn't much. But its way pass Sakura Level.. Just wait until he actually show is growth....

ANBU4U
February 16, 2007, 03:23 PM
Against the backdrop of some team shuffling, we'll get an inkling as to how Akatsuki reacts to the situation with Hidan/Kakuzu + an idea of what Orochimaru is up to.

With Kurenai pregnant, perhaps she will receive a leave of absence, and we'll be introduced to a new sensei for Team 8.

Who is going to take over for Asuma? Kakashi? But Kakashi has tracking skills himself, so perhaps he'll fill in for Kurenai.


Why? How is it that every other Chunnin group weve seen isnt in their original gennin group except the rookie 9?

I see no reason why 3 chunnin need a jounin to babysit them.

Toad Sage
February 16, 2007, 03:40 PM
I really doubt we'll be seeing Kurenai in action anymore, especially in light of what happened recently to the father of her child. Seems kind of reckless, even for a ninja, to risk orphaning their child why it isn't absolutely necessary...

Guzek_PL
February 16, 2007, 03:51 PM
yeah. i would like to see some more jutsu . Sasuke has 2 elemental (fire and lightning) and Naruto only 1(wind) . he can practise with Jiraya other one .

godofthesunn
February 16, 2007, 03:56 PM
I hope to see some itatchi action soon, mabey alittle uchiha mandara info. Heck naruto just has to ask the kyubbi for info hes been alive forever. He could learn a bunch of stuff..

Other than that I'm not sure as to what the next arc should do

ANBU4U
February 16, 2007, 04:00 PM
Pfft, Kakashi described Naruto's intelligence and power and then said "He surpassed me" so in terms in intelligence NARUTO SURPASSED KAKASHI. Kakashi talked about how Naruto developed a 2nd plan so fast after the first one failed and Kakashi seemed like he couldn't believe it.

Friggin accept it. Naruto has surpassed Kakashi as a shinobi.

Now onto other matters. Some people said Sasuke is stronger than Orochimaru. I think not. Why would Orochimaru train Sasuke to be stronger than him? If that were so, what would stop Sasuke from just betraying Orochimaru later down the road?

I believe Jiraiya will make another appearance and Naruto will rest a day, eat Ramen, etc. then resume his training as Kakashi looks on with envy :p



Ugh.......I'll accept that thats probably what kishi was trying to get across, I mean he IS the author. But I've seen nothing from Naruto that makes me believe it...I think Kishi is afraid of writting him too powerfull because then he'd have a hard time creating believeable opponents. Whom knows, however what I believe is this: Naruto is basically a one trick pony, that in his best moments can be discribed as clever, though certainly not brilliant as that "plan" of his really wasnt all THAT great and hell...he's used it b4.

I think kishi should stop tip-toeing the line. If he wants to make him smart he should show Naruto doing something undeniable ingenious, if he wants to make him the hard working idiot 4ever he should stop writing in lines like "He's surpassed me" when we've SEEN nothing even close to what this would imply about naruto's skills.


In my head I dont see Naruto beating either Shikamaru or Kakashi......and im almost certain that if it was writtin, and naruto won. It would be in a way that had us all scratching our heads because of 2 reasons:

1- It would be in a way that Shika or Kakashi would have never logically let happen had they been fighting anyone else.

2- It just wouldnt be in any way impressive, but rather incredibly cheap...leading us to wonder why we thought they were talented ninja in the first place. For exaple.....naruto would managed to set up.....a rope trap under some leaves and lure kakashi to it during the fight.... or something equally ridickulous.


look, I dont have a real problem with Naruto becoming stronger than Kakashi and co. but there had damn well better be some visable evidence of such improvement. I dont care what you guys say, you know damn well that win over kakuzu was'nt (OMG I own kakashi now) impressive. The most impressive thing ive seen from Naruto was by far that combo he pulled on Garra with the exploding tags. So look manga wise I believe that yes kishi is writing Naruto to be stronger that the Copy Ninja....but I think he's doing a poor job of illustrating it.

laughing@you
February 16, 2007, 04:22 PM
Naruto might not be as smart as kakashi nor shikamaru.

The fact is in strength, stamina and power naruto is unbeatable. And his being portrayed as cunning, cuz he uses the tactics that many people wouldn't take. Nobody would use his tactic against an oponent, thats why he succeeds.

If Jiraiya barely survived naruto's 4 tail transformation what makes you think kakashi will?

Orochimaru's kusenagi sword couldn't pierce the kiuby's chakra, i really don't think that kakashi's mangekyo sharingan techniq will either.

Sheer power my friend!!! That all it is to it!!!

But you are right naruto is one trick pony!! (I laughed my heart out with that comment) But is how you use that trick that matters. If you see real life fighters they have their strength and weakneses. Take boxing for instance Tito trinidad always knocked his oponents with his left (that wasn't supposed to be his strong hand). But he always knocked them out with his left. So after 10 battles is he supposed to change that because his trainer said he wants to see a knock out with his right?

My point is as much as I would love to see naruto become this ichigo like uber shinobi that can kick anybody's butt, Kishimoto is doing it slowly. Remember almost every shinobi has their style and signature moves, and they improved on that. And they learn teqniques to compliment their style.

Those are my two cents!!!

Saifi
February 16, 2007, 05:02 PM
ok first of all since this IS still a predictions thread and not a "has naruto really surpasses kakashi thread" ladies and gentlemen , MY PREDICTION

Watching Shippuden reminded me that there is soon going to be a Chunnin Exam in Suna , which naruto can take IF (i said if) he needs to go through the formal steps to become a chunin onward, this way he doesnt have to take the exam with a bunch of brats from konoha that are yrs younger than him.
Secondly i believe that what will happen is like a parallel story of Sauske /orochimaru doing and rest time in konoha ! I also think that since time is short we will see akatsuki activity. but one way or another we see more of sauske /oro vs akatsuki .

OR ......... we could see a favorites battle b/w sauske and kabuto as to who will be his container , id enjoy that thoroughly (even though i doubt it) but i seriously doubt that sauske will have any say in weather oro takes his body or not , since if i rem correctly (and i might just not) sauske when he accepted the curse seal became almost like a slave to oro , and oro can kill him anytime he wants !
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now my komment on naruto surpassing kakashi !
a) naruto just finished a jutsu that yondy couldn't do (well.. 50 %) but i don't think that lessened the koolness factor of the 4th , so even if he has surpassed kakashi in a sense (which kakashi admitted so no point arguing it) it still doesn't reduce kakashi's uberness in my book !

and i agree with whoever said that the IFs shouldnt be brought into measuring up characters is right ! if he had more chakra , if that guy was smarter ... guess what . it doesnt matter !

the characters have what they have ! thats what makes em who they are , as long as they can defeat the other using whatever they already have its fair game (sharingan , CS , kyubbi, pills , regeneration, smarts, other bloodlines ...what ever)

And as to the validity of weather its ok for naruto to surpass his sensei , i think with the king revelation its bound to happen , besides i am sure you wont have a problem with sauske surpassing kakashi ! whats the huge deal with naruto ? plus didn't oro thoroughly defeat sandiame ? its just the new Cardinal rule of NARUTO the young ones surpass the previous ones (at least some of em)

besides even if u dont agree that naruto surpassed kakashi , u still have to agree that kakashi saying that t least puts naruto somewhere along the same level as kakashi at least , or else kakashi wouldn't say it , now experience is another thing , and if thats ur measuring stick for surpassing then sandiame should still have been alive and oro dead , and manga ruined ! (w8 i almost forgot kakuzu)

anywhoo i think this post is getting long enough and some one has prolly mentioned most of these points in a new post by now so ill stop >_>

godofthesunn
February 16, 2007, 05:07 PM
Ugh.......I'll accept that thats probably what kishi was trying to get across, I mean he IS the author. But I've seen nothing from Naruto that makes me believe it...I think Kishi is afraid of writting him too powerfull because then he'd have a hard time creating believeable opponents. Whom knows, however what I believe is this: Naruto is basically a one trick pony, that in his best moments can be discribed as clever, though certainly not brilliant as that "plan" of his really wasnt all THAT great and hell...he's used it b4.

I think kishi should stop tip-toeing the line. If he wants to make him smart he should show Naruto doing something undeniable ingenious, if he wants to make him the hard working idiot 4ever he should stop writing in lines like "He's surpassed me" when we've SEEN nothing even close to what this would imply about naruto's skills.


In my head I dont see Naruto beating either Shikamaru or Kakashi......and im almost certain that if it was writtin, and naruto won. It would be in a way that had us all scratching our heads because of 2 reasons:

1- It would be in a way that Shika or Kakashi would have never logically let happen had they been fighting anyone else.

2- It just wouldnt be in any way impressive, but rather incredibly cheap...leading us to wonder why we thought they were talented ninja in the first place. For exaple.....naruto would managed to set up.....a rope trap under some leaves and lure kakashi to it during the fight.... or something equally ridickulous.


look, I dont have a real problem with Naruto becoming stronger than Kakashi and co. but there had damn well better be some visable evidence of such improvement. I dont care what you guys say, you know damn well that win over kakuzu was'nt (OMG I own kakashi now) impressive. The most impressive thing ive seen from Naruto was by far that combo he pulled on Garra with the exploding tags. So look manga wise I believe that yes kishi is writing Naruto to be stronger that the Copy Ninja....but I think he's doing a poor job of illustrating it.


I like this guy, he's just like me: a STUBBORN GUY WHO REFUSES TO LET THE GIVE INTO BEGGINER LEVEL ANIME BELIEFS AND RELIES SOLELY ON ANIME FACT.

keep up the good work,

anyways. Naruto is still rather dumb in my book. I mean just because you can aquire experience quickly doenst make you smart, it just means you learning fast. Mabey a day will come when hes added up enough battle experience to acautlly be a serious threat.

Right now naruto has a half complete ultimate jutsu and a bunch of other techniques that we havent heard of yet. However regardless of how many justus he has, Naruto still lacks what the uchiha's have and therefore can not defeat any of them. or kakashi since he too has a sharingan. Fin

kingfencer
February 16, 2007, 05:12 PM
i wonder wihch ninja town sasuke hit. i don't think its kohhana... could orchi be going for a junchirii himself instead of splitting his power to 9 others.

Saifi
February 16, 2007, 05:26 PM
you know what would be awesome if naruto phails to save sauske , but rather than oro taking over sauskes body sauske's will is stronger and he overpowers oro's consciousness , and somehow acquires the eight tail biju , and then the last ultimate battle is b/w the eight tail jinchuruki sauskemaru and the nine tail jinchuruki naruto !

hey i can dream cant i? , or rather ill write it as a fanfic ^_^

Skeith
February 16, 2007, 06:53 PM
@saifi that does sound like it'd be cool but it reminds me of S-cry-ed (w/e) and DBZ in which the main char. and his opponent become way wai too strong and it becomes ridiculous so as long as kishi keeps a lid on their 'power lvls' i'd be fine with that and ANBU4U i agree there should be some more evidence as to naruto's growth before we accept it... i'd hate to find that the only reason kakashi admitted that was because of that one jutsu, i mean one attack can determine the outcome of battle but when it comes down to it without that attack they suck... like get this while playing super smash bros melee i'd take the role of link and my friend w/e other character and they would always complain cuz i would win... only because of that smexy spin attack he has... when i stopped doing that, you guessed it, i got my @$$ handed to me (although i got better and now we're even) but you get my point... right? before i can fully accept naruto's growth i have to see him doing something that proves it...

Chuvaness
February 16, 2007, 08:13 PM
My prediction

Konoha would not let Naruto take any chuunin exam (physically i mean exams like the previous chuunin exam) since he is a very well known target for the AK and might take that advantage just like the previous chuunin exam where orochimaru made his appearance ( I think they learn there lessons there) and aside from that its a waste of time for naruto because he needs to buy time to become stronger to defeat/help sasuke. I think the sasuke arc that were seeing right now involves another town that orochimaru is interested in whether it would be for sasuke's training or orichimaru's evil plans. Konoha will surely hear about this and maybe tsunade will asign team kakashi/yamato to deal with it since its about sasuke. And afterwards I'm not sure hehehe cause i might go unrealistic.. DBZ anyone!? :amuse. But anyway there might be some glimpse of conversations with the akatsuki members talking bout being so uncautious and taking measures on annexing konoha and its elusive kyuubi.

BRIONICMAN
February 16, 2007, 08:18 PM
kakuzu's contact is interrogated so that will lead to more info. team 8 will be seen in action. they'll probably run into sasuke again

onetimeuser10
February 16, 2007, 10:06 PM
lol look at the last page

if you look at the fallen guy on the bottom right corner, he has a kunai stabbed up his ass

PredatorNar
February 16, 2007, 10:58 PM
I think it was heavily implied that Naruto is smarter than Kakashi in battle.

Let's see:

Naruto came in, used kage bunshin to analyze Kakuzu. Then, with his analysis he decided on an attack and successfully got a point blank hit on Kakuzu except his jutsu fizzled at a bad time. Then, LIKE A MINUTE LATER, he comes up with another plan and PREDICTS Kakuzu's decision to pay more attention to the jutsu than to the other 'clones.' Now, if that isn't some extreme intelligence, then what is? What Kishi was implying is that Kakashi couldn't believe Naruto could come up with counter-measures so quickly and that Kakashi wouldn't of been able to do that so fast or maybe at all.

Naruto has surpassed him in analysis skills, battle intelligence, and power. Period. Stop being skeptics. Kishi has SPOKEN.

Xeno
February 16, 2007, 11:10 PM
Personally, I predict that this makes Shikamaru out to be Naruto's competition for Hokage (those were Asuma's last words to him, after all). So if Shikamaru seems to be any better than Naruto right now, that just means that he has someone else to surpass.

As for the discussion of whether Naruto is truly stronger than Kakashi, I'd say that Kakashi's comment means that Naruto is capable of some things Kakashi cannot do, not that Naruto is superior to him in all respects. After all, I'm sure it doesn't mean that Naruto now knows more jutsu than he does, or anything like that. And I don't think there's anyone else with the chakara to whip out a jutsu like that, even if Kakashi just copied it by watching that fight with his Sharingan. The interesting thing is that it appears that Naruto was in a Kyubi state for the whole fight without its chakara overwhelming him like the past transformations. My theory is that a biju starts to take over its host when they use enough of its chakara that the biju chakara used is greater than the host's. This would mean that, even in that short bout of training, Naruto learned enough control that his capacity has considerably increased (he pulled out 3 FRs, vs. only 2 in training).

As for when he'll get promoted, if ever, the closest we have to identifiable conditions for reaching jounin is once someone makes a unique jutsu and (possibly) when they have at least two forms of elemental manipulation or more. I wonder if you have to be a chounin first, though? I guess Naruto could go through it with Konohamaru & co.

Finally, I'm wondering if we'll see Kakashi or someone take over as leader of Hinata's team? I feel like that team was, shall we say, "loaned" to the anime team so they'd have characters to develop while the manga went on without them. At least, it would be a good way to avoid treading on each other's toes too much--the fillers certainly went their own way, but I don't think they did anything that is clearly and completely irreconcilable with the manga. If Kishimoto wants to, I think he could adapt almost all of those changes into the manga, save only for Naruto having been trained by Jiraiya a bit less during the time skip.

At least, those are my theories. I suspect Kishimoto will prove some or all of this wrong, shortly.[br]Posted on: February 16, 2007, 10:59:49 PM_________________________________________________

Then, LIKE A MINUTE LATER, he comes up with another plan and PREDICTS Kakuzu's decision to pay more attention to the jutsu than to the other 'clones.' Now, if that isn't some extreme intelligence, then what is?


I'm not sure that requires a genius level of intelligence, but it was certainly quick-witted. Honestly, I think that the most overlooked good part about that plan was that there were two copies of the FR active--something Kakuzu clearly didn't expect Naruto to have the chakara for (who would? especially after that many KBs?). So unless Kakuzu got the real Naruto and the clones fizzled, whichever FR he blocked, the other would've nailed him.

Oh, and I wonder. If Kakuzu had taken Naruto's heart, don't you suppose he could've just separated that mask & heart, and let them suck the Kyubi out of that? That certainly would've been interesting, though not very good for Naruto & co. I also have to wonder, due to what I remember the anime saying (which may not even be right) about the sealer & sealed person being bound together for all eternity in the shinigami's stomach if that means that the 4th was somehow sealed inside Naruto? Might be why he has such excellent chakara of his own, although I don't really expect to see the 4th in the back of the Kyubi's cell or anything.

As for predictions, what do you suppose that Kakashi had the presence of mind to search Kakuzu's body and find his ring plus any other belongings? I hope we see that examined in the next chapter... I really have to wonder what's up with them and what the Akatsuki are going to do when they find out that they're missing two members.

Wouldn't it be lovely if we could see them set up a three-way battle, with Naruto vs. Sasuke vs. Itachi? Would be funny to see them all react--Sasuke would just about have to defend Naruto, but...?

PredatorNar
February 16, 2007, 11:26 PM
Point about Naruto and Kakashi. This is quite annoying a little. Kakashi said "He...surpassed me" meaning he freaking surpassed Kakashi! Amount of jutsus don't matter AT ALL.

From what I see, Kakashi doesn't have any jutsu that can top Fuuton Rasengan. So if someone has 1000 jutsus and someone has 1 that tops ALL 1000, then who cares if he has 1000?

To the point where you said Kakuzu didn't expect Naruto had that much chakra. How do you know Kakuzu thought that? Kakuzu didn't know anything about Naruto except that he has a Kyuubi inside him and Deidara warned him about Naruto. Kakuzu didn't expect Naruto to predict his moves and send in a clone as a bluff, so Kakuzu lost.

Basically, the past 2 chapters showed that Naruto outsmarted a person who was even able to outsmart Shikamaru (and Naruto came up with those two analyzation plans pretty quickly) and he proved he surpassed Kakashi. That's it.

Xeno
February 16, 2007, 11:35 PM
To the point where you said Kakuzu didn't expect Naruto had that much chakra. How do you know Kakuzu thought that? Kakuzu didn't know anything about Naruto except that he has a Kyuubi inside him and Deidara warned him about Naruto. Kakuzu didn't expect Naruto to predict his moves and send in a clone as a bluff, so Kakuzu lost.


I know that because even Kakashi didn't expect Naruto to be capable of three FRs, so Kakuzu had no hope of realizing it. It has to be obvious to everyone that high-level jutsu like that eat chakara, and even Naruto doesn't quite have unlimited chakara (or he wouldn't have had a limit of only 2 FRs in training).

Just one of the ways Naruto has surpassed Kakashi :) Just because you're better overall doesn't mean you're better at every single thing, after all.

ANBU4U
February 17, 2007, 12:23 AM
I think it was heavily implied that Naruto is smarter than Kakashi in battle.

Let's see:

Naruto came in, used kage bunshin to analyze Kakuzu. Then, with his analysis he decided on an attack and successfully got a point blank hit on Kakuzu except his jutsu fizzled at a bad time. Then, LIKE A MINUTE LATER, he comes up with another plan and PREDICTS Kakuzu's decision to pay more attention to the jutsu than to the other 'clones.' Now, if that isn't some extreme intelligence, then what is? What Kishi was implying is that Kakashi couldn't believe Naruto could come up with counter-measures so quickly and that Kakashi wouldn't of been able to do that so fast or maybe at all.

Naruto has surpassed him in analysis skills, battle intelligence, and power. Period. Stop being skeptics. Kishi has SPOKEN.


He did the exact same thing twice. The second version was just times 2.

WOOT

I mean seriously, I blame Kakuzu for falling for it more than I praise Naruto for doing it. And putting his real body on the line to make it work, while ballsy, was moronic. Thats something he should try to learn from Shikamaru, never put all your money on one hand. Which is to say have a back up.

If Kakuzu had done what he did earlier he would have killed the original b4 the shadow clones could help him out. Sure it worked out this time, but what about the next? What if he had a mission to carry out? Other opponents he had to continue towards? That why I wouldnt make him a chunnin, he has no buisness leading others, he fights irresponsibly.

the damn tactic was'nt that impressive, it was unnessacarily risky, and obnoxiously presumptive.

lets not even get into the fact that he wasnt even positive the he COULD do another FRS. What if it had failed like when Sauske tried that third Chidori?

He's a kid, with a great work ethic and the most potential possible. but he's still a kid and there is no way he should either be promoted, or considered a better ninja than kakashi and Shikamaru. So far as we've seen at least.

Kishi seems to say otherwise tho, so hell. Clearly there's something he has yet to show.


I'd hope so at least.


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And further more, this is almost the EXACT reason he didnt pass the chunnin exams. Putting everything into one shot. Why Why Why knowing about the kaiten, would Naruto attack neji head on??? He's got the power, he always has...and I think kakashi's noting that he officially has way more than him even, but he does'nt use it a well as he should...which in the end is a big reason why he's still a gennin. No one should be able to touch Naruto....he can make upwards of a thousand clones Thats a freakin shinobi ARMY! More in fact, from what we've seen of konoha's military strength....each with an equal amount of chakra, and they still have enough to do high level jutsu. If he just learns 10 solid normal jutsu. say for exapmle, Grand Fireball or Underworld Swamp, Something dragon something, W/E. He'd be neigh unstopable.

bloodrage
February 17, 2007, 01:52 AM
you guy's p!$$
me off

no matter what naruto does no matter how he does it you guys just look for a reason to cry him down geez your hopless i bet if saskue did it you all be saying how cool it is kakshi could not lay a hand on kazkuz after the chidori he gave him and he had shikamaru ino and chouji with him naruto goes in solo dismantles kazkuz and you say it is bull your like a bunch of sakura's or something you can only see something when saskue does it huh?


well my prediction is we are gonna have a saskue orichmaru ark for a couple of weeks then naruto will have finished mastered his technique and a couple more .

fremeer
February 17, 2007, 04:14 AM
yeah i can see a sasuke centric next 2 or 3 chapters but maybe not, the last couple of weeks has been focused on shikamaru quite a bit and kishi might worry he isnt showing off naruto enough. Another possibility is that naruto enters the chuunin exam and shows us just how strong he is compared to the top genins. Naruto's fights have been generally agasint people that are on a class of their own(ochi, kakazu, sasuke, deidera) we need to see his growth compared to his old self.

voilder
February 17, 2007, 05:41 AM
as i predicted! naruto has surpassed kakashi which makes him a youngest sannin in the village. so for my next prediction naruto will acting stupid again towards Jiraiya

ninetailfox
February 17, 2007, 05:44 AM
for the next chapter, we will see more of sasuke and oro, yes they will encounter an akatsuki member maybe zetsu, hehehe :p

yago_eiki
February 17, 2007, 05:57 AM
From what I see, Kakashi doesn't have any jutsu that can top Fuuton Rasengan. So if someone has 1000 jutsus and someone has 1 that tops ALL 1000, then who cares if he has 1000?



I don't fear your 1000 kicks you practiced 1 time - I fear your 1 kick you practiced 1000 times ^^

Karma
February 17, 2007, 08:54 AM
you guy's p!$$
me off

no matter what naruto does no matter how he does it you guys just look for a reason to cry him down geez your hopless i bet if saskue did it you all be saying how cool it is kakshi could not lay a hand on kazkuz after the chidori he gave him and he had shikamaru ino and chouji with him naruto goes in solo dismantles kazkuz and you say it is bull your like a bunch of sakura's or something you can only see something when saskue does it huh?


well my prediction is we are gonna have a saskue orichmaru ark for a couple of weeks then naruto will have finished mastered his technique and a couple more .
they always doing that... I guess since Naruto Character didn't born a genius its hard for them to acknowledge how smart he became..

Kakashi Been told by Jiriaya to be careful with Naruto from he return to the leaf village because he'll crush you. lol

Skeith
February 17, 2007, 09:10 AM
ANBU4U i agree completely thats what i've been trying to say kakashi and shikamaru have the intelligence to hold back and save a trump card while naruto uses his quick-thinking and cleverness to waste it all in order to defeat his opponent....
@Bloodrage.... dont' worry I kinda hate sasuke and sasuke fangirls the happiest moment i had that involved sasuke was when he was fighting naruto and got his @$$ handed to him lol
@fremeer i agree showing how naruto has grown compared to himself just might be what we need to believe that he has grown, otherwise it will still give kishi a chance to show off naruto's ABOVE-KAKASHI-INTELLECT (quick thinking cleverness and dumb luck) and prove that he knows when to hold back and that he can't continue wasting everything for just one opponent
@voilder lol naruto being a sannin after surpassing kakashi thats pretty funny and i think i can actually see him getting cocky like that ^.^
@karma i think the only reason jiraya mentioned that was because of the 4tails that nearly killed him, because otherwise it would be implying that naruto has grown like uber lots which have yet to be shown or proven...

Karma
February 17, 2007, 09:35 AM
@karma i think the only reason jiraya mentioned that was because of the 4tails that nearly killed him, because otherwise it would be implying that naruto has grown like uber lots which have yet to be shown or proven...
Maybe you're right and maybe he could could hurt Kakashi without using the Nine tail.... What i know for sure is that Naruto Surpassed Kakashi.

Plus whats the use of shikamaru intelligence to hold back and save a trump card and he don't have the power to finish off is opponent?

Kakashi is similar and yet way better than Shikamaru because he's stronger than him..

Listen up... Naruto has Power & skills. He might charge into stuff. But he able to finish it with out getting people involve and thats what the writer is trying to portrait thus far. You could be skill with the brain of the 3rd hokage with out power you're nothing...

Kakashi could never fight Kakuzu with 3 heart and win no matter what you say.

Shikamaru could never fight Kakuzu and win no matter what you say.

Naruto is brave enough to take on Kakuzu at a tired state after learning his new jutsu "even Kakuzu mention that Naruto looked like someone had just kicked his ass" that should let you know how strong Naruto is...

I get what you guys said about it sound cheap for them to push on some thing heavy has Naruto surpassed kakashi with out showing some serious fights with him and showing off is new jutsu.

But so far Kakashi only showed me a few orginal jutsu of is own.

The dogs he can summon.
Chedori
rasengan
Kage bunshin
still haven't seen is other elements.

What else he done?

Naruto--
Rasengan
Kage bunshin
summon the Frog boss
Wind element
rasengan + wind fused

Plus more that we haven't seen.

We might see Naruto finding a jutsu to make him super fast like Sasuke. lol The 4th flying thunder God.. That be some thing lol

hmalik1003
February 17, 2007, 09:41 AM
ANBU4U i totally agree with you. i think he has grown somewhat but he should b unstoppable. He has surpassed kakashi in the sense that he has a kickass jutsu that is stronger than any of kakashi's jutsu but intelligence wise he is the same. In all actuallity he seemed smarter when he fought zabuza but now he is doing the same trick over again. he's a one trick pony. and for the people who don't believe me. lets say naruto had enough chakra to pull off another FRS and kakashi had anough chakra to pull off a raikiri. who do u think would get hit? Kishi wants us to believe narutp has grown and i want to see it too. i love naruto but i've yet to see it. i hope we r able to see him in the chuunin exam cuz that mite b exactly the proof i need cuz the only improvements i've seen are his arsenal of jutsus, one elemental control, and his chakra control(hence his kyuubi control as well). Sasuke did all that b4 leaving(he had two elemental controls at the time) and i like sasuke as well. At this point in terms of stamina and chakra i'd give it to naruto. in terms of speed, intelligence, jutsu's(even taijutsu and genjutsu) i'd give it to kakashi. However. to surpass kakashi naruto actually doesn't need all of those attribute. the only thing he needs is speed and if he wants to beat sasuke he need more experience dealing with the sharingan. I do think he is almost special jounin level. he has experience, he made his own jutsu, and he Beat an AKATSUKI by himself. and for all of you who think kakashi killed him, that wasn't shown. i think he destroyed the ring and knocked him unconscouis 4 interogation.

Make ya bets here. sasuke vs. naruto...fight of the century.
Susuke's chance of winning 3-1
Naruto's chance of winning 1-3

Bl4sch3k
February 17, 2007, 10:11 AM
I predict Naruto got Kakuzus ring and hanged it at a necklace as a pendant, so he can provoke Sasuke next time he meets him:

"... HAHA Sasukeee, we already finished off four of the Akatsuki (they don't know Deidara is alive)! See my necklace, that was Kakuzu... haha you little lamer...Sasukeee! And now I will take you as my bitch... :p!"

Toad Sage
February 17, 2007, 10:20 AM
Hey, most of the above posters stay on topic. If you want to discuss the chapter there is a perfectly good "discuss 342" thread right next to this one :P

Konkun
February 17, 2007, 10:47 AM
Sasuke will seek out Itachi by himself and try to fight him one on one without Oro interfering. He's gonna try to gauge his strength against Itachi first. If the outcome is good, he will not need Oro's help and thus will probably kill off Oro if he beats Itachi. If he doesnt beat Itachi, he will come back to Oro and at that point, Oro will try to take over his body.

Saifi
February 17, 2007, 12:23 PM
umm.. only one thing wrong with that ! okay maybe 2

Sauske Believes that he nor oro can defeat itachi alone, no matter what , so it would be stupid to gauge your strength against someone who is ur ultimate nemesis , thats someone u fight when ur "bringing it" not "gauge-ing"

And Sauske has oros curse seal on him , and because of that sauske CANT POSSIBLY go against oro ! Oro can mind rape him into submission !


edit: prediction wise , i think ill add a "meanwhile at the akatsuki hideout ......."

amg
February 17, 2007, 01:08 PM
ok i hate how weak naruto is

1st kage bunsin
2nd rasegenan
3rd summoning
and he just uses variation of this damm

i am predicting a mini sasuke arc and we are also going to see the strength of tobi

PredatorNar
February 17, 2007, 01:13 PM
ok i hate how weak naruto is

1st kage bunsin
2nd rasegenan
3rd summoning
and he just uses variation of this damm

i am predicting a mini sasuke arc and we are also going to see the strength of tobi


Oh yea, he just beat one of the strongest shinobi ever, but he's weak. Yea that makes sense.

Also, if those are his strongest jutsus and he can get them to work against his opponent, why not use them?

amg
February 17, 2007, 01:41 PM
all i am saying is it is getting boring the way he fight imagine if he had more justu the way naruto variation with justu what he would do

Karma
February 17, 2007, 01:50 PM
Oh yea, he just beat one of the strongest shinobi ever, but he's weak. Yea that makes sense.

Also, if those are his strongest jutsus and he can get them to work against his opponent, why not use them?
lol true...

Fortisdiablos
February 17, 2007, 02:10 PM
Well, his point was that Naruto needs more variety. That is true. He's not at all weak, but I'd like to see at least a method of taijustu that doesn't look like random tackles/punches/kicks. If he works on that, surely speed would come as well.

mars0103
February 17, 2007, 02:11 PM
i think that there might be a mini arc on the chunin exams and naruto in the thick of it it would than make naruto a chunin (i hope) or promoted intectly in the kukzu fight

Fortisdiablos
February 17, 2007, 02:21 PM
I don't see Naruto having the time for Chuunin exams. I find it plausible that he gets an honorary promotion for his accomplishments, but not through the exam.

Smubeht
February 17, 2007, 02:58 PM
Ok now I am going to have to go against this whole Naruto smart thing now. Yeah Naruto beat Kakuzu single handedly. WAIT A SECOND DID HE? I believe he got owned and would have been killed if not for Kakashi and Yamato. So basically what this means is, if he went to fight alone he would have been OWNED.

Naruto is strong but not smart. He has improved but his battle tactics still quite frankly suck. All the information that was obtained during the Kakashi battle was basically given, i mean all that was said in the manga was the 3 hearts etc. Had Kakashi known that he had 5 hearts, he surely could have gone in with a double raikiri from the start and taken out 2. And he may have been able to immediately pop out 4..2 real quick and another 2 right after. Naruto already knew ahead what he was up against, Kakashi and co. did not. He did not reveal that much in the battle against Shikamaru and co. that they got a sufficient advantage over him, but against Kakashi it was all out, and from that we saw that the intelligence gained was given to Yamato and Naruto.

Again, Naruto definitely improved but he has not shown anything that is completely noteworthy as far as tactics. I think we will only see how much he has improved in the future. Kakashi did not show his full potential in the battle. He didn't even break out the Mangekyou. Naruto pulled out his best trick. We don't know what was in Kakashi's head could have been he was waiting for an opportune time, or analyzing whether there was more to Kakuzu then what he was showing before unleashing the MS. Kakashi unlike Naruto thinks fully before doing stuff. He probably realized if I do this and he is not dead we are totally facked, because Ino and Chouji are worthless. Naruto on the otherhand has this advantage of ok Yamato and Kakashi are here, lemme go head first and use all my marbles on this play. Woo Hoo it worked, but if it didn't I'd have been completely facked.

What I really want to see is more of the Konoha Jounin. Shikamaru's father, Chouji's father, etc. Shikamaru's father seems pretty badass, and smarter than Shikamaru. Their clan must be the geniuses.

To the other post about each group having a strong one and a smart one. Neji's group. I think Neji is stronger and smarter than Rock Lee. Rock Lee is cool and all but I think Neji would win in a battle.

My prediction is that we see Jiraiya scouting again, and maybe see Orochimaru and Sasuke discuss what just went down at the end of the chapter.

kyuubi09
February 17, 2007, 03:10 PM
well...the chunnin exam never happened yet so they might go that direction and move on from there...it just makes sense...i could be dead wrong

shachi
February 17, 2007, 03:17 PM
Shikamaru says that the "pain-in-the-ass chuunin exams are finally over," a chapter or two after Failed Rescue Sasuske arc #2. So that means it will be half a year until another one.

Yeah. So more and more I'm inclined to think that 343 will feature Akatsuki.

melie
February 17, 2007, 03:55 PM
Shikamaru says that the "pain-in-the-ass chuunin exams are finally over," a chapter or two after Failed Rescue Sasuske arc #2. So that means it will be half a year until another one.

Yeah. So more and more I'm inclined to think that 343 will feature Akatsuki.



Yep, it's still a long way till the 2nd chuunin exams of the year. Won't the second exams coincide with the time when Orochimaru has to switch bodies?

Anyway. Prediction. Akatsuki stuff. Maybe some new Akatsuki members will be introduced? They're getting short on people.

segarraramon
February 17, 2007, 04:27 PM
if naruto goes to the examination he will pass the test and not only will he be promoted to chunin but several of the chunin are to take the exams or be promoted to jonnin. but i find that naruto will not sit and wait 4 the exam he will continue to move toards sasuke. but next couple of chapter is plot bilding time. history of carachters info on charactes we don't know well and atkatsuki. info more info bun no action.

Karma
February 17, 2007, 05:30 PM
Ok now I am going to have to go against this whole Naruto smart thing now. Yeah Naruto beat Kakuzu single handedly. WAIT A SECOND DID HE? I believe he got owned and would have been killed if not for Kakashi and Yamato. So basically what this means is, if he went to fight alone he would have been OWNED.
listening up.. Kakashi got is ass Owned by Kakuzu 2 times and he missed death twice in one battle.

Plus Kakuzu didn't know Kakashi was there even thou thats how a Ninja is. But if Kakuzu did know that Kakashi was there kakashi wouldn't even get the chance to kill one of is heart. Thats a fact..

Naruto didn't know much about kakuzu until he sent is Kage bunshin out. and even when Kakuzu hold him to take is heart out. we know that he couldn't kill Naruto because it takes nothing out of Naruto to go 3 tails on him and break loose. and the Nine tail would heal Naruto after.

But saying it like Naruto isn't smart is Garbage.. IS character is made up in away to make him look stupid/silly for a period of time and the same goes for Jiriaya growing up and so for the 4th. they all have that character at first until they grow up and become the strongest ninja.

What Naruto did thus far isn't much to say we are shock that he could've done that. But more like " we want to see what you been doing all the 2.5 years with Jiriaya" But he did improve and he did surpassed Kakashi with strenght and i'm not talking about the Nine tail here..

1: it takes strenght & skill to form the rasengan

2: It takes skills to know a element in such a short time

3: it takes skills and strength to half a complete jutsu which is consider as an S rank Jutsu and maybe a even higher rank jutsu when its 100%.

So whats hard to Believe about Naruto surpassed Kakashi?

MS Sharigan is some thing that can be beaten. especially with a guy that can fight at any range who happen to be Kakuzu. Kakashi would be putting is team mate in trouble if he activate that MS Sharigan during Kakuzu fight.

So get off Shikamaru & Kakashi for once and see that Naruto is getting really better since he gain the knowledge about using is Kage Bunshin and thats what he going to use to surpassed the 4th Hokage.


Neji might be smarter than Lee.. But that don't say he's stronger. Because putting Garra against Neji in the chunnin match would be the same for Garra. Naruto beats Neji and Naruto Beat Garra with out going Nine tail on him.

so don't be surprised that Lee is stronger.. Just like how Gai sensi might be stronger than Kakashi even thou Kakashi got more skill..

voilder
February 17, 2007, 05:41 PM
ok for those who blame kishi didnt show u guys enoguh to prove naruto is better than kakashi plz wait until he fights sasuke. from here u will get see what naruto is really capable of.

bayanbatn
February 17, 2007, 05:41 PM
I don't think there will be a chuunin exam arc. That would be a tedious repetition of the previous examination arc. I predict that Naruto will be promoted to Jounin rank, although that may be wishful thinking.

Also, the shikimaru and naruto rivalry for hokage may be developed more. There is a reason why one akatsuki was taken out by Shikimaru and the other by Naruto.

As for naruto's intelligence... He's smart in terms of forming tactics, but otherwise, he is stupid. And yes, he does need other jutsus because he only has the means to kill a powerful opponent now. He doesn't have other skills that can bring him into position to use this jutsu.

PredatorNar
February 17, 2007, 06:03 PM
I have a feeling that Kishi will let Naruto remain a Genin until he (if it happens) becomes Hokage. I mean, I would rather see Naruto in his traditional orange suit rather than a chuunin vest :P

Anyway, remember when Akatsuki said the first step in their plan was to get a lot of money? Was it stated that they got enough, because since their treasurer (Kakuzu) is dead, there will be hell to pay!!!!!

Akatsuki aren't just gonna start relaxing now.

Karma
February 17, 2007, 06:09 PM
Also, the shikimaru and naruto rivalry for hokage may be developed more. There is a reason why one akatsuki was taken out by Shikimaru and the other by Naruto.

Listen up.. Shikimaru is in no state to take Naruto on for that position. the only person in Naruto league that is from the leaf village that can give Naruto a run for is money is Sasuke,Neji and that bug guy.... All these guys i named is someone that can kill shikamaru in a Battle and you better believe it..

Asuma telling Shikamaru that is intelligence one day could make him a Hokage. is some thing a teacher would say to is student and i'm not saying shikamaru not a good character.

He even say Chouji would be the strongest and INO shouldn't make sakura beat her in Jutsu. come on.. Sakura has better Jutsu than INO from day one.

But Shikimaru doesn't have that strenght to become a Hokage even thou he's genius. Because whoever become a Hokage have to be strong & brave. Thats why shikimaru is the Knight! Because the Knight protect the King who happen to be the Village. But in other term the King actually the Village/Hokage. Because after passing the Knight who they get to? isn't it the King? and in other terms if someone take out the knight who they have to fight again? isn't it the Hokage?

Tell me how many Knights on a chess board PLZ. Because i want to know if i'm getting the twist from what Asuma said... Because kishi seems to be tricking everyone until the end..[br]Posted on: February 17, 2007, 06:05:56 PM_________________________________________________

I have a feeling that Kishi will let Naruto remain a Genin until he (if it happens) becomes Hokage. I mean, I would rather see Naruto in his traditional orange suit rather than a chuunin vest :P

Anyway, remember when Akatsuki said the first step in their plan was to get a lot of money? Was it stated that they got enough, because since their treasurer (Kakuzu) is dead, there will be hell to pay!!!!!

Akatsuki aren't just gonna start relaxing now.
True! Orange suit fits Naruto better.. But that suit Sasuke got on need to go. lol he looks better in is old uniform..

ferza
February 17, 2007, 06:27 PM
I think Naruto will eventually become a Hokage but prolly die/sacrifise himself much like the fourth did becuase of the kyuubi inside...i think at some stage the kyuubi will be full unleashed by accident...

Next chapter we will prolly see Kakuzu reporting to Akatsuki, half dead or almost dead...and then Itachi will finish him off by saying like u got beaten those kids so u r not worth the existing...(prolly angry because earlier they said hidden village of fire is nothing...)

Then the old guy will prolly give Sai another mission, possibily to kill Naruto knowing he is potentially the best weapon or ninja in Konoha...

Karma
February 17, 2007, 06:34 PM
I think Naruto will eventually become a Hokage but prolly die/sacrifise himself much like the fourth did becuase of the kyuubi inside...i think at some stage the kyuubi will be full unleashed by accident...

Next chapter we will prolly see Kakuzu reporting to Akatsuki, half dead or almost dead...and then Itachi will finish him off by saying like u got beaten those kids so u r not worth the existing...(prolly angry because earlier they said hidden village of fire is nothing...)

Then the old guy will prolly give Sai another mission, possibily to kill Naruto knowing he is potentially the best weapon or ninja in Konoha...
The story Made up after Naruto, If he died the story end with him.
I think the full 9 tail will come out eventually as you say. But i think it wouldn't be some thing that Naruto can't control or i would more say the nine tail Fox would go back in is gate since he's safe inside naruto.

I think soon Naruto going to gain the Power to go 4 tail and still knowing what he's doing.


As for Sai? I don't think he'll try to kill naruto. I more think Anko will try to do some thing bad since Orchimaru own her with is seal..

troublemaker
February 17, 2007, 06:36 PM
hum kakashi already killed kazuzu in last chap.......

crack
February 17, 2007, 06:59 PM
anyone got a feeling that next arc is gonna be about sasuke and oro and their adventures finding more about akatsuki ..........it'll be awesome :)

this is offtopic : does anyone know how exactly kakashi got Mangekyou Sharingan???

ferza
February 17, 2007, 07:11 PM
Alot of ppl mentioned Anko doing something bad and about the seal...this kinda reminds me about the first two episodes of the new Naruto where Saori has some weird thing with words when Yuura said soemthing abt the "sake of the village" that kinda unsealed the thing inside his brain...possible same thing with Oro and Anko?

PredatorNar
February 17, 2007, 07:19 PM
to Karma: I actually do thing Shikamaru has the strength to compete with the others. He doesn't have raw strength but his shadow versatility makes him VERY VERY good. I mean think about it. Like every battle environment possible is gonna have shadows and the things Shika is able to do with the Shadows is amazing. Plus he knows how the analyze his opponent and capitalize on them.

All Shika needs to do is build up his chakra capacity more and continue to make his shadow abilities more versatile and I think he'd be able to beat someone like Neji and Sasuke (I'll explain why in another thread).

Karma
February 17, 2007, 08:00 PM
to Karma: I actually do thing Shikamaru has the strength to compete with the others. He doesn't have raw strength but his shadow versatility makes him VERY VERY good. I mean think about it. Like every battle environment possible is gonna have shadows and the things Shika is able to do with the Shadows is amazing. Plus he knows how the analyze his opponent and capitalize on them.

All Shika needs to do is build up his chakra capacity more and continue to make his shadow abilities more versatile and I think he'd be able to beat someone like Neji and Sasuke (I'll explain why in another thread).


Sasuke will defeat Shikamaru one & one no matter what you say. Because Sasuke got the strength plus he can fight at long rang. Trust me that fire ball Jutsu will make Shikamaru wish he wasn't sasuke Opponent. Especially if he goes level 2. He can fly and he's fast as well.

The reason why Shikamaru Gave up at the Chuunin Exam its because he couldn't go no more. its not because he thinks that its troublesome fighting a girl. But he know that temari has a Better Jutsu which happen to be a wind Element.. Kishi knows that but he was just showing you how smart Shikamaru is..



Remember that Shika fighting someone like Neji who is a jounin now isn't going to be like how he fight Hidan who don't think and remember Neji know that Shika is smart. Pluse Neji is consider as a genius as well.

Fighting in a ring shika might pull off a win with some cheap trick. (put neji hand up and say who drop there hand first win) But not pound for pound like how Naruto did. Even now we still haven't seen what kind of Jutsu Neji can do and he have to can do at least 2 element to become a jounin. So think about that!


Plus shikamaru fighting Naruto is like a joke. Even if he get a hold of is shadow he can't hold it for long and i'm not saying he going to run with Naruto like how he did with hidan. Because it only take one second before naruto get really angry pulling out the Nine tail and you know the fox chakra move off its own. :smile-big

So what you think again? lol lol Shikamaru is owned by someone who is strong. Hidan wasn't strong and he was slow. He only has this religous Jutsu that make him hard to be killed with out researching about is religion.. Shikamaru did is research and find out a way to kill him..Thats all!

The Big fish to kill out of hidan & is partner was Kakuzu. Shikamaru could never kill Kakashi, Kakuzu. nor he could kill anyone i named from is gennin group. why? not enough strenght and they not going to lay down and let shikamaru get a hold of there shadow. hidan was such a stupid character and skikamaru killed the easest member of the akatsuki. :smile-big

Plus shikamaru fighting (Kino- Bug guy) is the same. Just staying one place and let is Bug suck the life out of shikamaru chakra. lol Plus that dude is smart as well.

darkwater
February 17, 2007, 08:15 PM
I think..... when the time comes for Orochimaru to take Sasuke's body..... sasuke goes like.... "u piece of shit..... i'll take revenge on itachi myself without u..... cause i'm stronger than u myself" and orochimaru will be like "don't u fukin fuk wid me cause i can mind rape u",...... and then Sasuke will tell him "fuck tht shit....... i got rid of that 2 yrs ago...... i was jes playin u so tht i could learn ur shitty tricks...... nd now tht i know 'em all plus invented a few myself and also my freakin sharingan...... i'll fuk u"

And sasuke will kill orochimaru...... what better way for the fiend to die than at the hands of his own student.... !!!!!!

sharinganLS
February 17, 2007, 10:01 PM
Maybe sasuke and orochimaru will do a little akatsuki hunting of their own.
Zetsu may appear to pickup Kakuzu and Hidan's rings.
We may see another akatsuki meeting in the next chapter; they might gather to dicuss abt kakuzu's and hidan's defeat.

GPZrag
February 17, 2007, 10:12 PM
All i want to point out is that this a PREDICTIONS THREAD :p!... by the way, i think the next arc is going to be unfold in2 or 3 weeks :)... and we are gonna the other teams and more sasuke, kabuto and oro stuff :)

CheckMate
February 17, 2007, 10:44 PM
Tell me how many Knights on a chess board PLZ


There are 2 knights on the chess board for each side

Karma
February 17, 2007, 11:18 PM
There are 2 knights on the chess board for each side

Thanks.. So if Shikamaru is a Knight---- Sasuke & Naruto is what? They must fall under one.

I still feel that Sasuke is very important to the leaf village and he's either a Knight or a King. Same goes for the Naruto.. Some Puzzle missing out..

I remember Asuma saying to shikamaru that after a certain move he'll see the king.

I'm wondering if its Naruto since he show to defeat Kakuzu or its Sasuke since they show a clip have him at the end of Kakuzu......

I still don't believe that crap about the children is the King. We all know the children is the future and we know they are the next generation. But it more logic that Naruto is the king since he carried the king of all the tail beast.

Shikimaru Dad was surprise at first thinking Shikimaru know who was the king and calm is self after hearing the same thing the 3rd hokage always say.. It's true that the children of the village is the future but they must be a king and so i think kishi trying throw the fans off the right track..

ninetailfox
February 18, 2007, 02:02 AM
yohoho, i dont know the system in shogi but i am a quite a good chess player and im interested to see what piece naruto represent. because if kishi is trying to play with metaphore, we the fans will get into guess-competition *like the king mystery before when fans discuss about it all over the internet!* :p

stoney556
February 18, 2007, 02:51 AM
Okay, I believe that the shogi references are completely over with. It was merely used due to the character that this arc revolved around: Shikamaru. It will not be used again for any other character.

As for this whole Naruto surpassing Kakashi, I believe this to be entirely true. Naruto has proven to be the greatest tactician in the entire series. No one else, not even Kakashi, Sasuke, Shikamaru, anyone could have done what Naruto did against Kakuzu. The fact that he single handedly defeated an S-rank nin with no prior knowledge should simply amaze everyone here, but of course everyone is a friggin Naruto hater. Yamato said that this is a new Naruto, but to everyone here Naruto is still the same old same old.

Naruto came up with a plan to beat Kakuzu not once, but twice, all of it on a whim. Any other character would be dead after [trying to ] killing Kakuzu once. So what if Yamato and Kakashi saved him? That's what teamwork is for. Nobody demeaned Kakashi during the Wave Country arc when he was captured by Zabuza and was rescued by two GENIN. Everyone is missing the point here: He killed the S-Rank nin twice. His jutsu may have failed the first time, but if it had hit Kakuzu would have been dead.

To discredit Naruto for missing his attack, it's just proving the hate everyone has for Naruto. I didn't see near this much complaining when Shikamaru failed to chop Hidan's head off, but this is the difference between Shikamaru and Naruto, and I applaud Kishi for showing them both fail only to show their strenghts.

Naruto is by far the best tactician in the entire series. He can defeat any ninja without any previous knowledge and create a strategy on the spot. Him as the back up for Team 10 and defeating Kakuzu after his first attempt failed only proves this point. No one else could do what Naruto did. This is the purpose of Kakuzu.

Shikamaru, however, is the best strategist in the series. His IQ is over 200, but his plans need time to formulate. He sucks as a tactician because he can't come up with new plans right away, hence his 'pose' during shogi and his fight with Temari. He would be dead against Hidan if he hadn't had his pre-planned strategy.

Therefore, the only area Kakashi surpasses Naruto is in his ability to strategize. Naruto has beaten him in every other area save experience, which he is steadily closing the gap on. And that will end my little rant.

As for my prediction, Sasuke and Oro appearing was merely fan service so we could see what those two were up to and show Sasuke making improvement along with Naruto. We won't be seeing either of them for quite some time now.

Chapter 343 will introduce Team 8 again, either talking to Kurenai and meeting their new captain, or them meeting Naruto and conversing with him about his recent mission. It will be a rather boring chapter, but will set the next arc into motion with a glimpse of the next Akatsuki duo.

hearmeout
February 18, 2007, 03:36 AM
Alright, may I clarify something, the king as understood are the future generations.


Do I have any prediction..hmm? one ring, hidan's, will be collected by akatsuki. kakashi brings the other one back for studies with the 5th and gang. orochimaru and sasuke does some more training with live opponents. naruto continues to train as well..there..

nohm
February 18, 2007, 03:54 AM
I have a feeling that Kishi will let Naruto remain a Genin until he (if it happens) becomes Hokage. I mean, I would rather see Naruto in his traditional orange suit rather than a chuunin vest :P

Listen up.. Shikimaru is in no state to take Naruto on for that position. the only person in Naruto league that is from the leaf village that can give Naruto a run for is money is Sasuke,Neji and that bug guy.... All these guys i named is someone that can kill shikamaru in a Battle and you better believe it..

Asuma telling Shikamaru that is intelligence one day could make him a Hokage. is some thing a teacher would say to is student and i'm not saying shikamaru not a good character.

He even say Chouji would be the strongest and INO shouldn't make sakura beat her in Jutsu. come on.. Sakura has better Jutsu than INO from day one.

But Shikimaru doesn't have that strenght to become a Hokage even thou he's genius. Because whoever become a Hokage have to be strong & brave. Thats why shikimaru is the Knight! Because the Knight protect the King who happen to be the Village. But in other term the King actually the Village/Hokage. Because after passing the Knight who they get to? isn't it the King? and in other terms if someone take out the knight who they have to fight again? isn't it the Hokage?


I gotta go off topic for a while and agree with you two on your predictions..but I'll add a little twist to them from my perspective.

I think Naruto won't have enough time to get a promotion beyond genin. Naruto world, like our own, still does try to follow legalities in terms of millitary rankings and such. IMO, after the climax of Part II (post Akatsuki and Oro plot), the true enemy (which was the kyuubi in the first place) will finally emerge out of Naruto, consuming/sacrificing his body at the same time. The village will be in a pile of shit once again with no one to really stand a chance against the kyuubi. When it seems like everything is going to hell, the tables will turn and Naruto will appear within the kyuubi's consciousness (like how the kyuubi is already appearing inside Naruto's), and they'll have a battle inside. This is probably about the time Sasuke will have gained redemption (or close to it), and will go inside of the kyuubi's consciousness and tag team with Naruto. They'll eventually win it out, but Naruto will be sacrificed in the process, being absorbed into the will of fire. In the aftermath, Konoha will acknowledge Naruto's sacrifice, and posthumously give him the honorary title of hokage. I dunno who'll be the active hokage after Tsunade, but I think the rookie 9 (or it should be 8 minus Naruto) will become more of a counsil instead of one of them becoming the Hokage. Maybe down the line Konohamaru will become a likely candidate if he gets good enough.

ANYWAY.

Next chapter, I'm expecting to see at least one of the following themes:

1. Naruto resting up and Tsunade and co discuss his rapid development (pages will be wasted on post-battle relief humor BS most likely).

2. More political dialogs (possibly Sai reports to Danzo what's been going on, keeping up with his double agent duties).

3. Akatsuki's ultimatum (kyuubi will become main priority now).


I'm pretty sure the next arc will deal more with Konoha as a village and the Akatsuki retaliation. They've already lost two member's of their organization to Konoha(four, if we're counting Hidan's unconfirmed death and also counting Oro's betrayal and him being an ex-leaf). The heat on Konoha will not go unnoticed, and since they're a main threat to Akatsuki's goals, they'll bump up their "world domination" plan. They'll use this opportunity to test their bijuu experimentations. This is where we'll see some of the bijuu's they collected that we didn't get to see already.

bennibb
February 18, 2007, 08:53 AM
Okay, I believe that the shogi references are completely over with. It was merely used due to the character that this arc revolved around: Shikamaru. It will not be used again for any other character.

As for this whole Naruto surpassing Kakashi, I believe this to be entirely true. Naruto has proven to be the greatest tactician in the entire series. No one else, not even Kakashi, Sasuke, Shikamaru, anyone could have done what Naruto did against Kakuzu. The fact that he single handedly defeated an S-rank nin with no prior knowledge should simply amaze everyone here, but of course everyone is a friggin Naruto hater. Yamato said that this is a new Naruto, but to everyone here Naruto is still the same old same old.

Naruto came up with a plan to beat Kakuzu not once, but twice, all of it on a whim. Any other character would be dead after killing Kakuzu once. So what if Yamato and Kakashi saved him? That's what teamwork is for. Nobody demeaned Kakashi during the Wave Country arc when he was captured by Zabuza and was rescued by two GENIN. Everyone is missing the point here: He killed the S-Rank nin twice. His jutsu may have failed the first time, but if it had hit Kakuzu would have been dead.

To discredit Naruto for missing his attack, it's just proving the hate everyone has for Naruto. I didn't see near this much complaining when Shikamaru failed to chop Hidan's head off, but this is the difference between Shikamaru and Naruto, and I applaud Kishi for showing them both fail only to show their strenghts.

Naruto is by far the best tactician in the entire series. He can defeat any ninja without any previous knowledge and create a strategy on the spot. Him as the back up for Team 10 and defeating Kakuzu after his first attempt failed only proves this point. No one else could do what Naruto did. This is the purpose of Kakuzu.

Shikamaru, however, is the best strategist in the series. His IQ is over 200, but his plans need time to formulate. He sucks as a tactician because he can't come up with new plans right away, hence his 'pose' during shogi and his fight with Temari. He would be dead against Hidan if he hadn't had his pre-planned strategy.

Therefore, the only area Kakashi surpasses Naruto is in his ability to strategize. Naruto has beaten him in every other area save experience, which he is steadily closing the gap on. And that will end my little rant.

As for my prediction, Sasuke and Oro appearing was merely fan service so we could see what those two were up to and show Sasuke making improvement along with Naruto. We won't be seeing either of them for quite some time now.

Chapter 343 will introduce Team 8 again, either talking to Kurenai and meeting their new captain, or them meeting Naruto and conversing with him about his recent mission. It will be a rather boring chapter, but will set the next arc into motion with a glimpse of the next Akatsuki duo.


You forget that Kakuzu was beaten to death 2 times before... And the he wasnt dead, and that Naruto was done for it after using that jutsu. No one HATES naruto here... We love him... But hes not at Kakashi lvl yet when it comes to overall fighting..nor Hokage...thats my perdictement. Hes grovn yea... but to say that Sasuke couldnt do that??? weeeel... hes always been good at "tactics"... and he cant be any worse now... I remember a Sauske that goes straight forward on anyone he meets... So Sasuke is as combat smart as Kakashi and he has good sence of strategi... Just look at chuuning exam and the way he opend Naruto with his Chidori at the waterfall

aziboxe
February 18, 2007, 09:02 AM
hm... actually i change my prediction: its not likely for kishimoto to flash sasuke and oro for 2 pages and then have them dissappear. expect at least one page of the next chapter on that. and the news. Also, probably just another cool-down period in naruto. ie. naruto hangs around town. team 8/ or other teams find out about kurenai.

and about naruto surpassing kakashi. its not likely he surpasses kakashi in all aspects. maybe many. power defiantly. nevertheless, naruto will still be the general idiot he is (not in a bad way : )

other than that, naruto was pretty beaten up before the battle w/kakuzu began. ^_~

Smubeht
February 18, 2007, 09:18 AM
Kakashi had to fight when there was both Hidan and Kakuzu on the field. He Raikiried Kakuzu and thought he was done and went to Hidan and took a hard kick. From there he was getting attacked by a Crazy Hidan with the scythe. Now Kakuzu breaks out those wierd masks and its like um ok what are those. Kakashi and co had no idea what they could do. When it fired he had to use a lot of his chakra on the raikiri to stop it to protect chouji and ino. (waste of chakra). And so it continues. One on One against Kakuzu, Kakashi may have fared a lot better if knowing what he knew after he fought. Naruto comes in full power against a weakened Kakuzu and already know what the elements can do.

You can't say Naruto is stronger than Kakashi because he beat the opponent that Kakashi was fighting. kakashi was fighting a handicap match for most of the fight. 2 v 1 with him having to protect chouji and ino. That is quite the handicap. Kakashi used 6 raikiri in the day. Now that is totally him at a limit. Seems that Naruto's jutsu took out 2 hearts, because Kakashi finished with 1 last raikiri. So with that Naruto who could only do 2 during training would have to pop out 4 because of the failed ones. Not only that but he would have 5 elements chasing him, not just 3 or 4 because of the one Kakashi killed and the one Shikamaru killed. Naruto fared well because of circumstances. But I at this moment still refuse that Naruto is stronger than Kakashi. He may have more power, but a fight between the 2 and I would see Kakashi come out on top. Naruto is the main character, and Kishi is clearly trying to develop him to being the strongest, but as it is now he is not. His strategy has not changed at all. He has been doing that kage bunshin thing all his life as a genin. He has used that strategy of risk myself and have them hit the wrong ones before so I can hit him with my regular rasengan. Against Neji he did it in the Chuunin exams and Neji thought it was the one in the back. It isn't a new strategy, like OMG that is so clever. It is more like OMG he does that EVERY time.

As far as captains leaving the teams and changing teams. Other than Naruto all are chuunin, and Neji jounin. I think at this point they run with different squads. They don't need to stay with the genin teams. They might in the sense that they are used to fighting together but it isn't necessary anymore.

Toad Sage
February 18, 2007, 10:17 AM
I like your post stoney, as I agree with most of what you're saying (i.e. people have unfair expectations for Naruto if a major victory of his still wasn't satisfying to certain fans). Still, I think your prediction is a little off, as the chapter tag says pretty much, "what are Orochimaru and Sasuke up to?" I think given everything you've said, which to me is true because it's in the manga (surpassing Kakashi, being a brilliant warrior, etc) Naruto is finally prepared to recover Sasuke and that shall be the next arc. Why else show Sasuke's reluctance to kill if not to establish he is still worth saving?

fe10
February 18, 2007, 11:12 AM
Naruto get a promotion.

Debu
February 18, 2007, 12:42 PM
Naruto will be known as the genin hokage :)

The appearance of Sasuke and Oro was, I hope, more than fan service. The 3 years is coming very quickly to a close, so I agree with some of the previous posts -- it's time for another attempt to get Sasuke.

Let me make this clear: it *does not matter* if Sasuke is stronger than Orochimaru. It is very clear that Sasuke will do anything to kill Itachi, so as long as Sasuke thinks that the only way he can be strong enough to do so is to merge with Oro, then Oro will have no need to fear him ("you need me").

My predictions -

1) Naruto jumps right back in to more bunshin-based training. If Yamato is available, then he'll do it with mass kage bunshin, otherwise with just 10 or so.

2) The Akatsuki's rings will be of utmost importance this next chapter. Either Jiraiya or Oro obtain them, or Zetsu gets them back. The rings appear to be directly used in the draining of the jinchuuriki -- the more they have, the faster it goes (I'm guessing), and I imagine that Oro and Jiraiya are the only non-(current)-Akatsuki members that could even know this. Zetsu will probably get them back.

3) Unless Akatsuki starts changing their plans, we'll see Jiraiya. There's no point in him being out gathering info if we as the readers already know what's going on.

macchonk
February 18, 2007, 01:30 PM
you know what guys..... don't expect too much....
i mean dang.. u guys expecting naruto bcom hokage like it can be done so easily.....
beside... after im doing a lil research... it seems recently most of the ending for japanese animation is unsastifying... its too good to be true if naruto can bcom hokage....
and anyway.... did anybody actually see that kakashi killed kakuzu?
and 2nd..... did those konohas ppl ever mentioned about they killed one of akatsuki's member?
who know what happened after kakashi showing his chidori.... all we knew that Kishi skip that part until they met tsunade..... and eventhou tsunade congratulate them, it seems tsunade not really pleased with the result...so i bet something happened....
maybe in the next chapter, we will see more of sasuke's training and what was happening after kakashi tried to kill kakuzu with his chidori (maybe another aktsuki's member came and saved kakuzu....>>>just a guess)

Amano
February 18, 2007, 01:37 PM
...so i bet something happened....


yes please bet .. with me .. for money .. please please

zelllogan
February 18, 2007, 01:43 PM
Kakashi had to fight when there was both Hidan and Kakuzu on the field. He Raikiried Kakuzu and thought he was done and went to Hidan and took a hard kick. From there he was getting attacked by a Crazy Hidan with the scythe. Now Kakuzu breaks out those wierd masks and its like um ok what are those. Kakashi and co had no idea what they could do. When it fired he had to use a lot of his chakra on the raikiri to stop it to protect chouji and ino. (waste of chakra). And so it continues. One on One against Kakuzu, Kakashi may have fared a lot better if knowing what he knew after he fought. Naruto comes in full power against a weakened Kakuzu and already know what the elements can do.

You can't say Naruto is stronger than Kakashi because he beat the opponent that Kakashi was fighting. kakashi was fighting a handicap match for most of the fight. 2 v 1 with him having to protect chouji and ino. That is quite the handicap. Kakashi used 6 raikiri in the day. Now that is totally him at a limit. Seems that Naruto's jutsu took out 2 hearts, because Kakashi finished with 1 last raikiri. So with that Naruto who could only do 2 during training would have to pop out 4 because of the failed ones. Not only that but he would have 5 elements chasing him, not just 3 or 4 because of the one Kakashi killed and the one Shikamaru killed. Naruto fared well because of circumstances. But I at this moment still refuse that Naruto is stronger than Kakashi. He may have more power, but a fight between the 2 and I would see Kakashi come out on top. Naruto is the main character, and Kishi is clearly trying to develop him to being the strongest, but as it is now he is not. His strategy has not changed at all. He has been doing that kage bunshin thing all his life as a genin. He has used that strategy of risk myself and have them hit the wrong ones before so I can hit him with my regular rasengan. Against Neji he did it in the Chuunin exams and Neji thought it was the one in the back. It isn't a new strategy, like OMG that is so clever. It is more like OMG he does that EVERY time.

As far as captains leaving the teams and changing teams. Other than Naruto all are chuunin, and Neji jounin. I think at this point they run with different squads. They don't need to stay with the genin teams. They might in the sense that they are used to fighting together but it isn't necessary anymore.

+1
make my words.

Fortisdiablos
February 18, 2007, 02:03 PM
Naruto wasn't full power....

He came directly from training--exhausting training no less.

ANBU4U
February 18, 2007, 02:10 PM
Thanks.. So if Shikamaru is a Knight---- Sasuke & Naruto is what? They must fall under one.

I still feel that Sasuke is very important to the leaf village and he's either a Knight or a King. Same goes for the Naruto.. Some Puzzle missing out..

I remember Asuma saying to shikamaru that after a certain move he'll see the king.

I'm wondering if its Naruto since he show to defeat Kakuzu or its Sasuke since they show a clip have him at the end of Kakuzu......

I still don't believe that crap about the children is the King. We all know the children is the future and we know they are the next generation. But it more logic that Naruto is the king since he carried the king of all the tail beast.

Shikimaru Dad was surprise at first thinking Shikimaru know who was the king and calm is self after hearing the same thing the 3rd hokage always say.. It's true that the children of the village is the future but they must be a king and so i think kishi trying throw the fans off the right track..


Sauske...idk...

Naruto...ROOK. Powerfull, Limitless range of attack, and outside of a few basic tricks such as a "castle" utterly predictable. Still, something to keep an eye on.

Though thats chess, im not clear on how chess and shogi line up...but you get my point. Al shougi refrences are probably over with by now tho...

Elldar
February 18, 2007, 02:12 PM
Sorry, predictions thread I wanna read predictions. and Kakashi only used 4 rakiri, 2 was just elemental recomposition.

I predict Naruto will start looking for Sasuke again, and Danzou will begin make some moves.

stoney556
February 18, 2007, 02:23 PM
You forget that Kakuzu was beaten to death 2 times before... And the he wasnt dead, and that Naruto was done for it after using that jutsu. No one HATES naruto here... We love him... But hes not at Kakashi lvl yet when it comes to overall fighting..nor Hokage...thats my perdictement. Hes grovn yea... but to say that Sasuke couldnt do that??? weeeel... hes always been good at "tactics"... and he cant be any worse now... I remember a Sauske that goes straight forward on anyone he meets... So Sasuke is as combat smart as Kakashi and he has good sence of strategi... Just look at chuuning exam and the way he opend Naruto with his Chidori at the waterfall


I'm not saying that Sasuke couldn't kill Kakuzu, but he would have to be saved just like Naruto was. Sasuke would go in straight for the kill, destroy one heart, and then Kakuzu would wrap him in his tentacles just like he did to Naruto. Sasuke is a great tactician as well, just not as good as Naruto if you paid attention to the Wave Country arc and the Forest of Death. So no one should rag on Naruto for being saved by Yamato and Kakashi since Sasuke would have to have been saved by Oro and Kabuto.

And yes, Naruto beat a beat down Kakuzu, whom no one else could even come close to. Kakashi was on the defensive the whole fight, and if it weren't for Ino and Chouji he might have taken out another heart, but that would be the end of Kakashi. Remember how Kakuzu's hearts were taken: One on a sneak attack by Kakashi, which was the only time he got close to him, and the other by Hidan's ritual, which Kakashi had nothing to do with.

It's really unfair not to credit Naruto with the kill, and it's unfair just to say only Kakashi could have finished him. Sure, Naruto may not have dealt the death blow, but he left Kakuzu so beaten and torn that even Ino could have killed him. It was simply Kakashi who finished him for the ideal of the king and the student surpassing the master.

My point still stands. The only places Kakashi surpasses Naruto is in Strategy, Intelligence, and Experience, all three of which Naruto is steadily working on. Kakashi only lasted against both Hidan and Kakuzu due to his experience and intelligence, and if it weren't for Shikamaru he would have died against Hidan.

Okay, enough with that, since I would also like to change my prediction a little. I guess it is true it's pointless to show Oro and Sasuke for two panels or so, so they'll have some of the next page. I just find it too soon for a rescue Sasuke arc, or for them to try an Akatsuki.

Naruto still has MONTHS left before the transfer. He has no serious rush at the moment, only a deadline. He'll concentrate on his new jutsu, his relations with the other rookies, and hopefully revealing the Kyuubi to someone, possibly Shikamaru or Hinata if she's introduced as the center of the comming arc.

Oro WILL NOT let Sasuke take on an Akatsuki, even if he's there. Oro is scared to death of the Akatsuki right now, hence his wanting Konoha to deal with them while he waits for his transfer. It would be awesome, yes, but highly unlikely.

What else is there for Oro and Sasuke then? Hopefully a few pages of their relationship, possibly with some of Sasuke's thoughts about Oro so we can find out if Sasuke is really submissive to Oro's will, or if he is planning on running away before the transfer. I really can't think of anything else that they'd be introduced for.

playbychris
February 18, 2007, 02:41 PM
my predictions for the next chapter will be the reaction of AKATSUKI towards the defeat of kakuzu and hidan. most likely hidan will be saved by the akatsuki guy that eats people(sorry i forgot his name). we will most likely see the woman from akatsuki and well see her face. naruto will get back to training and then think of his next move towards the search for sasuke.

neomaster121
February 18, 2007, 04:02 PM
kakashi got the blood for the ritual in the first place.

Naruto is my favorite character but im not gonna start saying his best with tactics cause hes not. He made a split decision as he realised that his opponent was afraid of his jutsu and that their was a chance it could work. Sasuke could beat kakuzu and his has quite a few tricks of his own. If he got caught he would use that body chidori to paralise Kakuzu. Also im gussing sasuke sharingen would play a big part in the fight.

Before i would say naruto is a great tactician then he has to make a tactic that has almost 0 flaws. Simular to how Shiki makes his moves. Naruto is Chuunin level and nothing more. His new jutsu is dangerous but only if it hits. If it doesn't then naruto is in trouble. there are many high class ninja who just wouldn't allow themselves to be hit by naruto's jutsu.

Karma
February 18, 2007, 04:23 PM
Sauske...idk...

Naruto...ROOK. Powerfull, Limitless range of attack, and outside of a few basic tricks such as a "castle" utterly predictable. Still, something to keep an eye on.

Though thats chess, im not clear on how chess and shogi line up...but you get my point. Al shougi refrences are probably over with by now tho...
Okay,...thanks[br]Posted on: February 18, 2007, 04:06:10 PM_________________________________________________

kakashi got the blood for the ritual in the first place.

Naruto is my favorite character but im not gonna start saying his best with tactics cause hes not. He made a split decision as he realised that his opponent was afraid of his jutsu and that their was a chance it could work. Sasuke could beat kakuzu and his has quite a few tricks of his own. If he got caught he would use that body chidori to paralise Kakuzu. Also im gussing sasuke sharingen would play a big part in the fight.

Before i would say naruto is a great tactician then he has to make a tactic that has almost 0 flaws. Simular to how Shiki makes his moves. Naruto is Chuunin level and nothing more. His new jutsu is dangerous but only if it hits. If it doesn't then naruto is in trouble. there are many high class ninja who just wouldn't allow themselves to be hit by naruto's jutsu.


Shiki Plan has flaws in them.. 1st he was trying to attack Hidan & Kakuzu with Chouji & InO.. He already made a big mistake..

2.. IF Kakashi wasn't there to save Shikamaru ass he'll be dead at this moment because Kakuzu would have killed both Chouji & Ino. and remember he planned that trick before Kakashi join the team.

3. Naruto came to Rescue after being Exhausted from is training even Kakuzu see that Naruto looked like someone had kicked is ass.

4. Chouji and Ino is all Chounin Level Ninja. so Kakashi not baby sitting no one.

5. Naruto came in try to use is Jutsu Against Kakuzu and it fails. Not the Strategy! because of how tired he was at the time.

6. Naruto Made up a Flawless Strategy once again so fast in the heat of the battle and get Kakuzu with is 2nd Attempt.


What you guys need to see is that Naruto Exhausted from is training with Yamato.. It even surpraised Kakashi when Yamato say naruto couldn't have done 2 of that last jutsu in there last training session. and manage to pull off 3 during a life & death battle..

I won't say he had surpassed kakashi if kakashi didn't said so.. but come on.. naruto has trained by the same person who taught the 4th hokage..

stoney556
February 18, 2007, 04:35 PM
kakashi got the blood for the ritual in the first place.

Naruto is my favorite character but im not gonna start saying his best with tactics cause hes not. He made a split decision as he realised that his opponent was afraid of his jutsu and that their was a chance it could work. Sasuke could beat kakuzu and his has quite a few tricks of his own. If he got caught he would use that body chidori to paralise Kakuzu. Also im gussing sasuke sharingen would play a big part in the fight.

Before i would say naruto is a great tactician then he has to make a tactic that has almost 0 flaws. Simular to how Shiki makes his moves. Naruto is Chuunin level and nothing more. His new jutsu is dangerous but only if it hits. If it doesn't then naruto is in trouble. there are many high class ninja who just wouldn't allow themselves to be hit by naruto's jutsu.


Yes, Kakashi got the blood for the ritual when he took Kakuzu's first heart. If it were any other character, they would have settled for supposedly killing the S-rank nin, but it was his intelligence and experience that he better get the blood as well. Remember, no one knew Kakuzu had five hearts at this point and everyone thought he was dead after that first hit.

After this, when did Kakashi ever get close again? Only when Naruto was wrapped in Kakuzu's tentacles and he was too preoccupied with Naruto to attack Kakashi. If Kakashi couldn't get near him, what makes you think Sasuke could? They both have raiton jutsu, they both have the sharingan, and Kakashi might still be faster than Sasuke. It's only because Naruto has the KB was he able to get close.

As for Naruto not being the best at tactics, that is what this whole fight proved. No one could get close to Kakuzu prior to Naruto, and here he did it twice, both on a whim. That's what tactics are all about: finding an opening in your opponent and using it to your advantage.

Naruto's plans had 0 flaws, or did you miss that Kakuzu was dead both times? You can't count the jutsu dissipating a flaw as it's absurd to expect everyone to know if their jutsu has a time limit or not. You also can't count Naruto being caught as a flaw, as if he had just attacked one second sooner Kakuzu would have been dead. Naruto made two flawless plans, both of which worked, only the first had an unexpected turnout. You can't say with a straight face that his second plan wasn't perfect, though.

Naruto will find a way to make his jutsu hit no matter the opponent. Did Kakuzu want to be hit by it? Hell no. Naruto figured out Kakuzu's faults with a pair of KB, and within seconds had a plan to defeat him which should have worked. After his plan was revealed, he was able to counter it with a second one merely a couple minutes later. It simply amazes me that people can't accept this fact and finally give Naruto some much needed praise.

To say Sasuke could do something Kakashi could not is giving everyone's favorite Uchiha a little too much credit. If Kakashi's sharingan was of little use to him, I doubt Sasuke's would help much. If Kakashi couldn't get close enough to Raikari another heart, I doubt Sasuke could. Then again, Kakashi doesn't have Chidori Nagashi, but I don't think Sasuke has Raikari, so there are simply too many unknowns. As of now, we can only assume that if Kakashi couldn't do it, neither could Sasuke.

macchonk
February 18, 2007, 04:39 PM
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Karma
February 18, 2007, 05:32 PM
Yes, Kakashi got the blood for the ritual when he took Kakuzu's first heart. If it were any other character, they would have settled for supposedly killing the S-rank nin, but it was his intelligence and experience that he better get the blood as well. Remember, no one knew Kakuzu had five hearts at this point and everyone thought he was dead after that first hit.

After this, when did Kakashi ever get close again? Only when Naruto was wrapped in Kakuzu's tentacles and he was too preoccupied with Naruto to attack Kakashi. If Kakashi couldn't get near him, what makes you think Sasuke could? They both have raiton jutsu, they both have the sharingan, and Kakashi might still be faster than Sasuke. It's only because Naruto has the KB was he able to get close.

As for Naruto not being the best at tactics, that is what this whole fight proved. No one could get close to Kakuzu prior to Naruto, and here he did it twice, both on a whim. That's what tactics are all about: finding an opening in your opponent and using it to your advantage.

Naruto's plans had 0 flaws, or did you miss that Kakuzu was dead both times? You can't count the jutsu dissipating a flaw as it's absurd to expect everyone to know if their jutsu has a time limit or not. You also can't count Naruto being caught as a flaw, as if he had just attacked one second sooner Kakuzu would have been dead. Naruto made two flawless plans, both of which worked, only the first had an unexpected turnout. You can't say with a straight face that his second plan wasn't perfect, though.

Naruto will find a way to make his jutsu hit no matter the opponent. Did Kakuzu want to be hit by it? Hell no. Naruto figured out Kakuzu's faults with a pair of KB, and within seconds had a plan to defeat him which should have worked. After his plan was revealed, he was able to counter it with a second one merely a couple minutes later. It simply amazes me that people can't accept this fact and finally give Naruto some much needed praise.

To say Sasuke could do something Kakashi could not is giving everyone's favorite Uchiha a little too much credit. If Kakashi's sharingan was of little use to him, I doubt Sasuke's would help much. If Kakashi couldn't get close enough to Raikari another heart, I doubt Sasuke could. Then again, Kakashi doesn't have Chidori Nagashi, but I don't think Sasuke has Raikari, so there are simply too many unknowns. As of now, we can only assume that if Kakashi couldn't do it, neither could Sasuke.
You analyze what went down.. And trust me Naruto needed to get more priases from ever since. But everyone's favorite Uchiha a little too much credit as you say..

Naruto was Exhausted from is training with Yamoto as well. and still Kill Kakuzu at the state he was in..

segarraramon
February 18, 2007, 05:58 PM
well i think that oeochimaru will likely be killed by naruto. whitout sasuke aproval. but someting is bothering me how did kakashi learn MS. i know he blames himself for kabuto but its not the same as killing your best friend. well in the end sasuke will learn MS because he will kill itachi his brother and best firend.

question anyone did narutos wind Rassengan take 2 masks. and if so that is super powerfull, because raikiri only penetrated one hart at a time.

cinamax
February 18, 2007, 06:02 PM
Hi. Forgive me. I want to predict somethings.

1. Sasuke will take on an elite Jounin from a country. Kishi's way to showcase him.

2. After another senior Akatsuki member got taken out. AL decides its time to power up his remaining members. They will each be infused with a bijyuu.

3. Two new members joins. One of them will be Kabuto. Three reasons. He has previous affiliation with Akatsuki. He is a medical ninja, whom they need to replace Kakuzu who has been patching things up for them. Besides Konoha ninjas who subbed in for Sasori, I think no one knows he switched sides. Akatsuki however knows Sasuke has gone to Orochimaru so it cant be him.

4. The other new member of Akatsuki will be a new character. He will be sent after Naruto together with Kabuto, the new pairing.

Rhan
February 18, 2007, 07:09 PM
well i think that oeochimaru will likely be killed by naruto. whitout sasuke aproval. but someting is bothering me how did kakashi learn MS. i know he blames himself for kabuto but its not the same as killing your best friend. well in the end sasuke will learn MS because he will kill itachi his brother and best firend.

question anyone did narutos wind Rassengan take 2 masks. and if so that is super powerfull, because raikiri only penetrated one hart at a time.


Kakashi blames himself for Kabuto ? I don't remember anything like that. Sure he is unhappy he couldn't kill him during the Chuunin exam arc, but I don't see how it's related to the Sharingan. I don't remember them meeting after that nor Kakashi talking about him.
Alright, I just figured you probably meant Obito

The Raikiri vs Wind Rasengan isn't fair. WR is obviously better (as the improved version of Chidori's equivalent, Rasengan), and Raikiri can't destroy multiple targets (such as the masks) at the same time since it's a one hit attack.

Edit : see strikethrough text

Karma
February 18, 2007, 07:41 PM
do anyone realized that naruto S rank jutsu doesn't use hand seal? I just feel that Kishi is making Naruto into a killing machine and the guy to go against the sharigan.

You guys ever wonder why Uchica Clan never became a Hokage?


I feel Sasuke going to fight Kakashi to see how much he improve. But he going to beat Kakashi and then Kakashi going to tell him he's still weaker than Naruto and he going to get mad at what kakashi told him knowing its impossible for naruto to get so strong over that short time..

But i would love to see Naruto against sasuke, Jiriaya vs Orchimaru, Kakashi VS Kabuto.. that would make everyone know who is the strongest.. but that won't happen.. :(

aziboxe
February 18, 2007, 07:46 PM
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But i would love to see Naruto against sasuke, Jiriaya vs Orchimaru, Kakashi VS Kabuto.. that would make everyone know who is the strongest.. but that won't happen.. :(


actually i really want to see Kakashi vs. Tobi... if the theory of obito=tobi is true XD

Kyuubi685
February 18, 2007, 07:48 PM
so far i've read of other people's ideas for the next chapter. all of them very interesting

but i think that an invasion on konoha would be too early, akatsuki wouldn't start the war yet, not until they've collected all of the bijuu...maybe with the exception of kyuubi.

Zetsu digging for kakuzu and hidan's rings...will probably begin the chapter for like 3 or 4 pages...shikamaru/shikaku( shika's dad :p)/ kakashi... taking one of the rings and trying to figure out what does it mean and if it has any significance to them

orochimaru and sasuke hunting and taking out an akatsuki member....possible, well at least the hunting part. Kabuto informing sasuke of Naruto's growth...maybe

akatsuki making contact with orochimaru in asking to rejoin...probably not, but if they do, orochimaru will use the opportunity to take out a member allowing sasuke to show off his results of training, unless they send itachi...knowing that sasuke nor orochimaru can beat him...at least to their knowledge...

Naruto training some more, probably,

and yes, i'm a Naruto fan...most favourite character!!!
I WANT TO SEE MORE RESULTS FROM HIS TRAINING WITH JIRAIYA!!!

Rhan
February 18, 2007, 07:55 PM
do anyone realized that naruto S rank jutsu doesn't use hand seal? I just feel that Kishi is making Naruto into a killing machine and the guy to go against the sharigan.

Or like Yondaime (the 2 techniques he invented just happen to not need any hand seals). That makes me think Yondaime was actually not an uber leet genius, but a dropout like Naruto and Jiraiya (who screwed up his first bell test with Sandaime and is always mocked by Orochimaru) who worked his way to the very top by inventing special techniques.

I mean, if you are a genius with great techniques, surely you don't feel the need to spend YEARS to make a blue spiraling sphere ?

GPZrag
February 18, 2007, 08:05 PM
Or like Yondaime (the 2 techniques he invented just happen to not need any hand seals). That makes me think Yondaime was actually not an uber leet genius, but a dropout like Naruto and Jiraiya (who screwed up his first bell test with Sandaime and is always mocked by Orochimaru) who worked his way to the very top by inventing special techniques.

I mean, if you are a genius with great techniques, surely you don't feel the need to spend YEARS to make a blue spiraling sphere ?

you know, i agree in a way of speaking... cause i think that yondaime wasnt any genius like naruto or jiraiya... but he was at least for me... a "prodigy"(naruto might be a prodigy as well) wich is not the same... cause for me a "genius" is someone that learns things fast and see solutions in a very "genius like way" but a "prodigy" is someone that is an unsual human been that usually stands up over everybody and leave a mark on the ppl :)

Nasuke
February 18, 2007, 10:59 PM
Since they are going back, and Naruto has learned some new techniques, I think its about time for Naruto to take the Chuunin exam and become a Chuunin since he's the only one of his age group that didnt become a Chuunin. This is a good opportunity to further show off Naruto's development against other people and he'll probably know them all out with his new jutsu (Remember Killua and the Hunter Exam, he failed the first time, but the second time he knocked out everyone in the 1st round).
From Akatsuki's side, I believe new members for Akatsuki shall be shown since without new members, Akatsuki do not have enough people to seal or collect Bijuu.

ferza
February 18, 2007, 11:11 PM
Somehow i feel Kishi is making Kakashi weaker and weaker...
What happen to the whole legendary "white fang" theory with his dad ???

playbychris
February 18, 2007, 11:19 PM
Somehow i feel Kishi is making Kakashi weaker and weaker...
What happen to the whole legendary "white fang" theory with his dad ???


If kakashi was weak he could have never handled hidan and kakuzus attacks from the begining.
remember, akatsuki members are in level with Orochimaru, you know how kakashi was scared of Orochimaru i think he is also getting stronger

Non-Life
February 18, 2007, 11:35 PM
I predict- DUN DUN DUN DUN- we'll see Team 8. They have to be the most intriguing cell-from not getting enough of the spotlight- and it's annoying to only see them in the fillers. On a side note, when will we ever see another chapter cover page- the b/w ones, not the colored, advertising ones-because I have come to like them, especially when they're colored by fans.

Karma
February 19, 2007, 12:25 AM
Or like Yondaime (the 2 techniques he invented just happen to not need any hand seals). That makes me think Yondaime was actually not an uber leet genius, but a dropout like Naruto and Jiraiya (who screwed up his first bell test with Sandaime and is always mocked by Orochimaru) who worked his way to the very top by inventing special techniques.

I mean, if you are a genius with great techniques, surely you don't feel the need to spend YEARS to make a blue spiraling sphere ?
you get i've been saying in previous threads..[br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 12:08:31 AM_________________________________________________

you know, i agree in a way of speaking... cause i think that yondaime wasnt any genius like naruto or jiraiya... but he was at least for me... a "prodigy"(naruto might be a prodigy as well) wich is not the same... cause for me a "genius" is someone that learns things fast and see solutions in a very "genius like way" but a "prodigy" is someone that is an unsual human been that usually stands up over everybody and leave a mark on the ppl :)
Hmmm you right until you say this (naruto might be a prodigy as well) Because what you said so far about the yondaime is exactly the same for Naruto. Its even more of Naruto then Yondaime since we didn't see much of the Yondaime growing up.. But Naruto is a Prodigy and he left an Impact on everyone that came in contact with him.

Naruto have all the Sharigan weakness and that is to perform a Jutsu with out hand seal.. The only thing left for Naruto to do now is to get really fast. that some thing i know he can do..

Toad Sage
February 19, 2007, 12:33 AM
I predict we'll discover that big guy Sasuke was sitting upon is really the missing giant from chapter 238 trying to find work after he was fired from Akatsuki :) I also predict it will be impossible in the future for Kishimoto to convince fans Naruto is talented if the recent chapters failed in doing so :(

Karma
February 19, 2007, 12:36 AM
Somehow i feel Kishi is making Kakashi weaker and weaker...
What happen to the whole legendary "white fang" theory with his dad ???

Kakashi isn't weak at all.. and Hidan & Kakuzu is S rank Criminals just as Orchimaru... and kakashi hold them off longer than Asuma who died before is back came...Plus Kakashi was fighting Kakuzu who is very strong......[br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 12:33:18 AM_________________________________________________

I predict we'll discover that big guy Sasuke was sitting upon is really the missing giant from chapter 238 trying to find work after he was fired from Akatsuki :) I also predict it will be impossible in the future for Kishimoto to convince fans Naruto is talented if the recent chapters failed in doing so :(
lol i agreed with you..

macchonk
February 19, 2007, 02:03 AM
I feel Sasuke going to fight Kakashi to see how much he improve. But he going to beat Kakashi and then Kakashi going to tell him he's still weaker than Naruto and he going to get mad at what kakashi told him knowing its impossible for naruto to get so strong over that short time..

hey.. nice idea.......I've never thought of something like that.....
but u know what.... kakashi is too strong for sasuke.... unless sasuke revive his mangekyou sharingan... to be honest... kakashi's sharingan... show the best jutsu i've seen so far....
but if u think about this..... orochimaru is Akatsuki's former member,..
so basically his power almost equal with the other akatsuki's member...
but why kakashi scared to orochimaru..? when orochimaru actuallly consider itachi as a scary guy..... but kakashi has a self confidence to face itachi (even before he revived his MS)
and now for the prediction..... the next chapter.... sasuke's training.... akatsuki in a big trouble.... naruto on fire....

voilder
February 19, 2007, 04:21 AM
naruto chapter 343 page 5 pic 3, kakashi:" naruto gotten so strong he's surpassed me." face it kakashi fanboys! no matter how hard u guys try to argue theres no way u can change the fact that naruto has surpassed ur belove kakashi. just enjoy the manga to see how naruto owning the akatsuki clan and then claim the hokage title.

Kaddel
February 19, 2007, 04:25 AM
with the way the last one ended, sasuke will have to be a part of the next chapter. What exactly he will do is hard to tell, but probably not much. Just a taste of what he is off to do in order to get us excited for another major encounter with him.

With Tsunade telling them they deserved a much needed rest, I'm sure that naruto will just catch up with Jiraya and we will see Tsunade or Jiraya talking with Kakashi about Naruto's abilities and about his promotion to chunnin and jounin (kakashi did admit that naruto was more powerful than him now).

As far as akatsuki, they will definatly not get to Hidan. He is being gaurded by shikamaru's clan. I do agree they will talk about the rings though. Maybe an appearance by one of the other ones telling the AL about the death of two of their more powerful members.

cfdgl
February 19, 2007, 05:10 AM
yeah..i think naruto is not that strong
it could be better if he learn how to use taijutsu like sasuke did

Kaddel
February 19, 2007, 05:16 AM
taijustu is a big deal with naruto, it's his speed.

ferza
February 19, 2007, 05:48 AM
dont understand why everyone is soooooo hyped about Naruto taking and becoming a chunnin...
who care if he is a genin, chunnin or jounin..he is still the main character of the story and everybody loves him...
Plus doesnt it sounds cooler if genin beat a S-Rank Ex Ninja???

Kaddel
February 19, 2007, 07:09 AM
Plus doesnt it sounds cooler if genin beat a S-Rank Ex Ninja???


no, it sounds like he is an idiot who can make super powerful one hit jutsus but can't even pass a stupid chunnin exam. Plus Kishi already set up the fact that there is another one coming up (shikamaru is one of the guys working on it).

ninetailfox
February 19, 2007, 08:24 AM
yeah, i agree that naruto have to improve his speed if he want to compete with sasuke!! :p

sirlipton
February 19, 2007, 09:08 AM
do anyone realized that naruto S rank jutsu doesn't use hand seal? I just feel that Kishi is making Naruto into a killing machine and the guy to go against the sharigan.

You guys ever wonder why Uchica Clan never became a Hokage?


I feel Sasuke going to fight Kakashi to see how much he improve. But he going to beat Kakashi and then Kakashi going to tell him he's still weaker than Naruto and he going to get mad at what kakashi told him knowing its impossible for naruto to get so strong over that short time..

But i would love to see Naruto against sasuke, Jiriaya vs Orchimaru, Kakashi VS Kabuto.. that would make everyone know who is the strongest.. but that won't happen.. :(


about sasuke fighting kakashi, i think it could happen, but i dont think he would let kakashi live, the reason is that i think sasuke will do something unforgivable like that and that will push naruto over the edge to beat sasuke.

Kaddel
February 19, 2007, 09:13 AM
not a bad point, sirlipton

White Rabbit
February 19, 2007, 10:10 AM
no, it sounds like he is an idiot who can make super powerful one hit jutsus but can't even pass a stupid chunnin exam. Plus Kishi already set up the fact that there is another one coming up (shikamaru is one of the guys working on it).


Naruto was away from Konoha while everyone else had the opportunity to take another Chuunun-exam. So far he failed as many exams as Neji, who already is a Jounin now. So I don't see how this makes him actually look weak.
And the Chuunin-exam you're talking about was already over when they arrived back at konoha after meeting Sasuke at Orochimarus place.

pic from ch 312:

Kaddel
February 19, 2007, 10:16 AM
oh, missed that. thanks

anrufen
February 19, 2007, 12:00 PM
Okk...the next arc, might all in all totally ignore Naruto..and da konoha group!!! This arc will focus more on Sasuke...as in, u might have noticed dat part 2 has rather been Sasuke less (i dont complain tho....not my most fav Character)...so i think they will show Sasuke and Oro....prolly them 2 will fight one Akatsuki...as u have already noticed...Sakura and Naruto, both fendd of Akatsuki...Now its Sasuke's turn.....and i guess it will be Kisame!!!

Toad Sage
February 19, 2007, 12:49 PM
Even though I believe the next arc is going to be about rescuing Sasuke, I could totally see Kishimoto having an entire Sasuke arc (similar to the Shikamaru arc we just slogged through) to set this up. I don't see how else he's going to stretch out the content unless there are like eighty mini-bosses before they fight Sasuke.

Oh, and Kishimoto is definitely going to stretch out whatever is coming up!

caliboy
February 19, 2007, 01:12 PM
if naruto will be absent in the next arc, i just want to see a scene where either kakashi or yamato gives naruto a scroll of forbidden jutsus and tells him he has ten days until the next mission. and we can assume he uses mass kage bunshins to learn more wind jutsus and summoning jutsus over that span of time

Karma
February 19, 2007, 01:22 PM
hey.. nice idea.......I've never thought of something like that.....
but u know what.... kakashi is too strong for sasuke.... unless sasuke revive his mangekyou sharingan... to be honest... kakashi's sharingan... show the best jutsu i've seen so far....
but if u think about this..... orochimaru is Akatsuki's former member,..
so basically his power almost equal with the other akatsuki's member...
but why kakashi scared to orochimaru..? when orochimaru actuallly consider itachi as a scary guy..... but kakashi has a self confidence to face itachi (even before he revived his MS)
and now for the prediction..... the next chapter.... sasuke's training.... akatsuki in a big trouble.... naruto on fire....
Kakashi MS Sharigan isn't better than Itachi Sharigan. Plus Kakashi has alright to be Afraid of Orochimaru who had fight the Nine tail an haven't been killed. Kakashi fighting the 4 tail Kyubi is a dead kakashi...

Kakashi is not as strong as Orochimaru and he don't have that Powerful Jutsu that can compete with any of Orchimaru Jutsu.

Itachi using Ms Sharigan doesn't put any strain on is body because he's from that Bloodline. Kakashi isn't! [br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 01:13:36 PM_________________________________________________

naruto chapter 343 page 5 pic 3, kakashi:" naruto gotten so strong he's surpassed me." face it kakashi fanboys! no matter how hard u guys try to argue theres no way u can change the fact that naruto has surpassed ur belove kakashi. just enjoy the manga to see how naruto owning the akatsuki clan and then claim the hokage title.
lol agreed....[br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 01:14:44 PM_________________________________________________

with the way the last one ended, sasuke will have to be a part of the next chapter. What exactly he will do is hard to tell, but probably not much. Just a taste of what he is off to do in order to get us excited for another major encounter with him.

With Tsunade telling them they deserved a much needed rest, I'm sure that naruto will just catch up with Jiraya and we will see Tsunade or Jiraya talking with Kakashi about Naruto's abilities and about his promotion to chunnin and jounin (kakashi did admit that naruto was more powerful than him now).

As far as akatsuki, they will definatly not get to Hidan. He is being gaurded by shikamaru's clan. I do agree they will talk about the rings though. Maybe an appearance by one of the other ones telling the AL about the death of two of their more powerful members.
Well, what you said so far seems to be more like what i'm going to look forward to see.[br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 01:16:12 PM_________________________________________________

taijustu is a big deal with naruto, it's his speed.
I think thats some thing Naruto will be working on soon.. [br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 01:18:04 PM_________________________________________________

if naruto will be absent in the next arc, i just want to see a scene where either kakashi or yamato gives naruto a scroll of forbidden jutsus and tells him he has ten days until the next mission. and we can assume he uses mass kage bunshins to learn more wind jutsus and summoning jutsus over that span of time
lol That would be fun to see.. But i know that won't happen...

DarkManSharingan32
February 19, 2007, 02:08 PM
Ahh, I'll finally get to my prediction:

Since Kishi seems to be using a pattern where the next chapter validates what he has done in the previous chapter.. i believe the showing of Sasuke in the end of 342 will allow us to cplude that the majority of chapters to come will follow Oro, Sasuke, and Kabuto.

The Konoha nins have been told that they have a "break"... and all this really means is that Naruto will train a bit longer and vow to bring Sasuke back as soon as he's finished (this could possibly be the beginning of the next chapter).

After the eventual switch to Orochimaru & Co., I'm with ToadSage on this one...me might just see a mini arc with our favorite quasi-villains.

They may be embarking to take over a smaller villiage soon... or they may in fact be attacked by Akatsuki in the near future, (or both). From here, Kishi certainly has alot of options, and all of them seem to be really interesting.

I hoping that the third and decisive meeting with Itachi happens soon...
With Naruto and a Konoha crew following up as the fight goes on.

---
Mini-timeline:
1) Oro Takes over a small country...or even a big one. (Next arc) ~Look for Oro to ensnare some more powerful nins to his side~
2) Konoha gets wind of Oro's new bold action... and Naruto prepares to give it one last shot.
3) Akatsuki decides this is the time to take Orochimaru out... before he gets too powerful.
4) Konoha (Naruto, Sakura, Sai, Yamato and Kakashi.... with Team 8 as reinforcments) and Akatsuki (Blue-Haired Akatsuki lady, along with Itachi, Zetsu, and either Tobi or Deidara [come onnnn Tobi!!]) mobilize... with some possible reinforcements.
5) Akatsuki arrives first...and the seige begins.
6) We'll see some major fights.... (too hard to predict but hopefully Kabuto vs. Zetsu, and BHAL vs. Orochimaru)
7) Naruto, Sakura and Sai inturrupt Sasuke vs. Itachi.
And from here who knows what could happen.
(Naruto getting captured by Akatsuki (Itachi) could happen at this point as well)
---

Lol, pretty specific prediction... but it could happen. lol

playbychris
February 19, 2007, 02:56 PM
well since this arc is over.

The next thing that will definetly happen is the movement of akatsuki.
Since three members have been defeated and one defected(Oro) the leader of akatsuki has to
plan wats his next move is. I think that we will see his face very soon.
Orochimaru is not going to make any moves since Sasuke is not strong enough to defeat Itachi.
(One thing that i been wondering is that Orochimaru is totally scared of Itachi, but Itachi is not even the leader of Akatsuki. Since the leader of Akatsuki is another guy, that makes the leader way more powerful than Itachi and the rest of akatsuki, he even considers them as children.
then why is Orochimaru not scared of the leader???????)

Toad Sage
February 19, 2007, 03:05 PM
Well, that was more anrufen's suggestion, DMS, at least as much as I've read this prediction thread. I feel the overall arc is going to be the final "rescue Sasuke arc" as Sasuke's reluctance to kill those shinobi is a MAJOR clue that he is going to be saved. However, given the recent digression with Shikamaru AND the painfully obvious lack of Sasuke (plus the full color page the previous issue) I think anrufen is right on the money that we're heading into a Sasuke mini-arc.

I think the Sasuke mini-arc is going to be about the very thing that has motivated the whole entire Sasuke plot-line: Orochimaru taking over Sasuke's body. The time period for Orochimaru to switch is nearly through, so the mini-arc must address this.

Assuming we are not going to lose Sasuke-and we are not because that would be like Tom Cruise dying in Top Gun-we'll see the Konohoa nin come in for the rescue once we're at the point in the mini-arc that must happen if Sasuke shall live.

In the backround, yah, you're probably all right, Naruto will finish his jutsu, add suiton, whatever, but something to beef up for the final Sasuke clash.

Once all that is over, Sasuke is saved, Kabuto is proven to be a good guy, and Orochimaru is either reformed (very unlikely) or dead (very likely) we'll see the Konohoa go after Akatsuki and Naruto become Hokage when Tsunade dies in that confrontation. But that's like years from now :P

PMCRW
February 19, 2007, 03:20 PM
i think theyll just show akatsuki and there reaction to their loss. they'll elaborate more on saskue and orochimaru but breifly to keep up the suspense.

Reui
February 19, 2007, 03:49 PM
I have a feeling that Kakashi is going to tell Naruto to not get over confidant, something about how Sasuke's Full body Chidori is similar to naruto's RasenShuuriken in that there both only have way to complete forms of the Jutsu. It would be interesting if Chidori was an incomplete jutsu that kakashi couldnt finish because of his Chakra restraints.

I also get the idea that this week will focus more on Tsunade and Jiraiya's reaction to Naruto and Shikimaru's single handed wins. We may even get a clip of naruto's actual history like who the hell his parents are something like jiraiya telling him "Your finally mature enough to know the truth."

Nekilof
February 19, 2007, 04:21 PM
I also believe, as strong evidence supports, that it's time for Sasuke. I am uncertain if this will be THE mini arch that concludes the Oro taking over Sasuke event. My guess is Sasuke will run into an Akatsuki and take him/her down, especially with the large focus on the Akatsuki and the fact Naruto and Kakashi just did that same pattern a couple times of taking various Akatsuki down.
I hope it isn't that repitious but I guess you never know. I have a feeling the series will keep building for quite a while to the point where Oro needs his new body. Then Itachi will be back on the scene. :smile-big

dfcarolinaguy
February 19, 2007, 04:58 PM
I bet we get to see kiba and shino next chapter

deathshadow25
February 19, 2007, 05:15 PM
I'm predictingthat when Kurenai has the child it'll be a special child seriously he might be a genius, doujutsu wielding ninja. It would be cool though if they show the baybe and it opens it's eyes and it :sgan has the sharingan that would be cool and freaky at the same time

Karma
February 19, 2007, 05:24 PM
I have a feeling that Kakashi is going to tell Naruto to not get over confidant, something about how Sasuke's Full body Chidori is similar to naruto's RasenShuuriken in that there both only have way to complete forms of the Jutsu. It would be interesting if Chidori was an incomplete jutsu that kakashi couldnt finish because of his Chakra restraints.

How that fully body jutsu going to beat Naruto Rasenshuuriken? Wind beats Lighten. that mean no matter how powerful that Chidori is Naruto Jutsu is better and more powerful.

the only thing Sasuke can do to beat naruto jutsu and that is to make a stronger fireball Jutsu..

I don't see Naruto being over confident like he use to. he mature to a point where he don't need all that self praise. He going to be focusing on rescueing sasuke.[br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 05:22:57 PM_________________________________________________

I'm predictingthat when Kurenai has the child it'll be a special child seriously he might be a genius, doujutsu wielding ninja. It would be cool though if they show the baybe and it opens it's eyes and it :sgan has the sharingan that would be cool and freaky at the same time
you need to stop dreaming..

deathshadow25
February 19, 2007, 05:32 PM
you need to stop dreaming..


or maybe you should dream more

anyways I was just saying that because it would've been funny in a horror movie kinda way.

I would like to see some movement from Akatsuki in the next chapter they may make a strike against Konoha but I doubt it because we're still waiting for Danzou and Orochimaru to make their counter strike, btw didn't Yamato tell Tsunade about Danzous betrayal? Also I think Sasuke might be coming back soon and when he does Konoha would be under a dictatorship with Orochimaru or Akatsuki by his side.

kadoman
February 19, 2007, 05:36 PM
Well, that was more anrufen's suggestion, DMS, at least as much as I've read this prediction thread. I feel the overall arc is going to be the final "rescue Sasuke arc" as Sasuke's reluctance to kill those shinobi is a MAJOR clue that he is going to be saved. However, given the recent digression with Shikamaru AND the painfully obvious lack of Sasuke (plus the full color page the previous issue) I think anrufen is right on the money that we're heading into a Sasuke mini-arc.

I think the Sasuke mini-arc is going to be about the very thing that has motivated the whole entire Sasuke plot-line: Orochimaru taking over Sasuke's body. The time period for Orochimaru to switch is nearly through, so the mini-arc must address this.

Assuming we are not going to lose Sasuke-and we are not because that would be like Tom Cruise dying in Top Gun-we'll see the Konohoa nin come in for the rescue once we're at the point in the mini-arc that must happen if Sasuke shall live.

In the backround, yah, you're probably all right, Naruto will finish his jutsu, add suiton, whatever, but something to beef up for the final Sasuke clash.

Once all that is over, Sasuke is saved, Kabuto is proven to be a good guy, and Orochimaru is either reformed (very unlikely) or dead (very likely) we'll see the Konohoa go after Akatsuki and Naruto become Hokage when Tsunade dies in that confrontation. But that's like years from now :P


Gahdammit TS, you don't leave any room for me to comment! :yelling I agree with everything you just said word-for-word (well most everything).

Now I have to nit-pick just so it seems like I have an opinion of my own. :notrust

Here goes

[spoiler]
Kabuto will not prove to be a good guy. Firstly I will be pissed off if that happens because I happen to like him as a baddie thank you, and secondly I honestly believe he adores Oro and will follow him to the ends of the earth. Having said that, one of my hair-brain theories is that Kabuto will be the final villain.

Oro will not be reformed because I will be pissed off if that happens. I like him evil to the core. Also, it just won’t happen because that would be like…like Goose not dying in Top Gun. :amuse

I like your prediction that Tsunade dies in a battle between Konoha and Akatsuki! That would be grand! :D

deathshadow25
February 19, 2007, 05:43 PM
Kabuto will not prove to be a good guy. Firstly I will be pissed off if that happens because I happen to like him as a baddie thank you, and secondly I honestly believe he adores Oro and will follow him to the ends of the earth. Having said that, one of my hair-brain theories is that Kabuto will be the final villain.

Oro will not be reformed because I will be pissed off if that happens. I like him evil to the core. Also, it just won’t happen because that would be like…like Goose not dying in Top Gun. :amuse

I like your prediction that Tsunade dies in a battle between Konoha and Akatsuki! That would be grand! :D



OMG NO WAY WILL TSUNADE DIE at least not yet, I do see her dying because of Danzous usurping the hokage throne btw doesn't he realize he is too old to run Konoha so there might be a betrayal with whoever he decides to take over konoha with (Kabuto....?

Nekilof
February 19, 2007, 06:29 PM
Attack of the killer theories! I guess my theory yeah, is just based on Naruto the manga would be mad short if Oro took over his body now, but the theories coming up now either would make the series....end.....or can't take place for a while yet....if ever.....like if the 5th died, who would replace her? Maybe Kakashi or Yamato or someone well known? Then who? It would bring Naruto too close to the time he would need to take over Hokage.

Karma
February 19, 2007, 06:48 PM
OMG NO WAY WILL TSUNADE DIE at least not yet, I do see her dying because of Danzous usurping the hokage throne btw doesn't he realize he is too old to run Konoha so there might be a betrayal with whoever he decides to take over konoha with (Kabuto....?
Agreed with that...[br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 06:37:43 PM_________________________________________________

Attack of the killer theories! I guess my theory yeah, is just based on Naruto the manga would be mad short if Oro took over his body now, but the theories coming up now either would make the series....end.....or can't take place for a while yet....if ever.....like if the 5th died, who would replace her? Maybe Kakashi or Yamato or someone well known? Then who? It would bring Naruto too close to the time he would need to take over Hokage.
Kakashi could never become the Hokage Because Naruto surpassed him and Jiriaya is stronger than him..

I only see a arc with Sasuke/Orchi with Naruto rescueing sasuke. Naruto Improve is speed...

Reui
February 19, 2007, 07:21 PM
How that fully body jutsu going to beat Naruto Rasenshuuriken? Wind beats Lighten. that mean no matter how powerful that Chidori is Naruto Jutsu is better and more powerful.

the only thing Sasuke can do to beat naruto jutsu and that is to make a stronger fireball Jutsu..

I don't see Naruto being over confident like he use to. he mature to a point where he don't need all that self praise. He going to be focusing on rescueing sasuke.[br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 05:22:57 PM_________________________________________________ you need to stop dreaming..


The point was that Chidori was incomplete and that even at Sasuke's current level he could become even stronger. Also im fairly sure if Sasuke wanted to he could put use the Chidori + Kusanagi Sword and just put it straight through naruto. Wind does beat lightning, however speed + lightning beats wind.

Karma
February 19, 2007, 07:31 PM
The point was that Chidori was incomplete and that even at Sasuke's current level he could become even stronger. Also im fairly sure if Sasuke wanted to he could put use the Chidori + Kusanagi Sword and just put it straight through naruto. Wind does beat lightning, however speed + lightning beats wind.
Come on , don't even go their... Because Naruto new Jutsu will beat any thing the Chidori comes with...

The only think Naruto new jutsu can't beat and its Sasuke new fire ball Jutsu...

Plus you don't want to see Naruto going 4 tail and using that New Wind Jutsu on Sasuke. lol Sasuke would be a dead guy like it or not. Plus remember that Naruto new Jutsu isn't completed as yet...

Chidori is no match for Naruto using a Weapon and using is Wind element to sharpen it... Just as Asuma said..

bloodrage
February 19, 2007, 07:41 PM
Sasuke wanted to he could put use the Chidori + Kusanagi Sword and just put it straight through naruto. Wind does beat lightning, however speed + lightning beats wind.


it was stated in the chapter with the 4th and obito that the chidori was incomplete untill kakashi obtained the sharingan.

second you all just trying to knock back down naruto but you can't kazkuz was faster than kakashi ino and chouji combined and he fought him easily so he'd just do the same with saskue anyalyse him first with clones then send in them to distract him .

Kaddel
February 19, 2007, 07:57 PM
But sasuke would never be tricked by kagebunshin. he was there when naruto was developing it. and naruto is slow, kakuzu was not in a mode to jump around quickly. he does not have the "in the blink of an eye" movement that sasuke has.

kheopz
February 19, 2007, 08:24 PM
Naruto has a Jutsu that Jiraya told him not to use. Which isn't going 4 tails.. that ain't no Jutsu and the new thing Wind rasengan isn't what Jiraya trained naruto for. Think of it that now that he got stronger he might be able to perform Jutsus that he probably failed to do during Jiraya's training but more important that Jutsu that Jiraya told him not to use might be even more powerful now that he completed the Wind Rasengan at 50% (See kakazu trashed body) so knowing Naruto he might combine his training with Jiraya with his training with Kakashi ... Narato Bushins will trump Sasuke because it gives Naruto more options. People don't realize but narut Bushin was the one who hold the rasengan and not the real Naruto so that's a testament of how strong Naruto has been ...

The next arc is Sasuke and Oro. Maybe Oro is looking for the 8 tail beast as well ..we still haven't heard from who is it... maybe he is the next target. Also there's going to be related and along with some moves from Akatsuki.[br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 08:22:34 PM_________________________________________________kaddel, the bushins naruto makkes are not illusions .. Back then they were immature, not as strong and Naruto didn't know the full potential of this Jutsu .. Now he knows and even got kakazu full.. Only neji can see through it .. not the Sharigan

GPZrag
February 19, 2007, 09:21 PM
potential of this Jutsu .. Now he knows and even got kakazu full.. Only neji can see through it .. not the Sharigan

well actually there you are quite mistaken there is no bloodline until now that has the ability to see through the kage bunshins... not even the byakugan thus the kage bunshins are CLONES of the real one.. they are just like a real body the only diference is that they are destroyed in one single clean hit :)

Sarenji
February 19, 2007, 09:22 PM
Not even Neji can tell the difference between Kage Bunshins. EDIT: Argh, beaten.

I predict something to do with Sasuke and Orochimaru. Or the Akatsuki. This is pretty much relaxation for Konoha's nins, so no more word on them for a while, unless something turns up.

Karma
February 19, 2007, 09:30 PM
it was stated in the chapter with the 4th and obito that the chidori was incomplete untill kakashi obtained the sharingan.

second you all just trying to knock back down naruto but you can't kazkuz was faster than kakashi ino and chouji combined and he fought him easily so he'd just do the same with saskue anyalyse him first with clones then send in them to distract him .
Thats it. Because Naruto grow up and sasuke wasn't around for 2.5 years to know how much Naruto grown.

But these guys only seeing sasuke as the one that look badass. Naruto is looking Badass since he gain is element..[br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 09:25:28 PM_________________________________________________

But sasuke would never be tricked by kagebunshin. he was there when naruto was developing it. and naruto is slow, kakuzu was not in a mode to jump around quickly. he does not have the "in the blink of an eye" movement that sasuke has.
you wouldn't know.. Because back then Naruto didn't know how to use Kage Bunshin to its full potential. now he can.. So naruto not going to make a bunch useless Clones to go after sasuke. he might just made 3 just like how did to kakuzu. lol Kakuzu is fast..[br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 09:27:47 PM_________________________________________________

well actually there you are quite mistaken there is no bloodline until now that has the ability to see through the kage bunshins... not even the byakugan thus the kage bunshins are CLONES of the real one.. they are just like a real body the only diference is that they are destroyed in one single clean hit :)
not every time.. Because during Naruto fight with Neji. a Kage Bunshin was hit more than once to fool Neji.. So go back and check that kage Bunshin is one of the best Jutsu for someone with a lot of Chakra to use..

Marq
February 19, 2007, 09:43 PM
Predictions.

Sasuke/Orochi Mini Arc. Possiblly, Orochi wants to take over another village. Seeing as he has the habit of kill of kages, plus expand his ninja shiobis (if he has any left). His objective is still to destroy Konoha, so he's going to at least conquer some villages and gain enough power to do it. (otherwise, he tries invading konoha, just with sasuke, and kabuto, he be screwed. 4 tails will fry his ass. lol) I'm toying with the idea of him running to the akatsuki. It would be great if he encounters, but at the same time we've already seen the akatsuki already. But.. I wouldn't mind seeing Dedi/Tobi trying to take on Orochi. (It would be soo hilarious, heck Dedi might end up blowing up Tobi again) As for naruto and co, yeah they take a break from the scene (I think when tsuande said, you guys deserve a break, I think that was kishi's way of saying he's letting naruto getting a break from the scene, and focusing on orochi/sasuke)

ninetailfox
February 19, 2007, 09:56 PM
i strongly believe that naruto has at least on par with sasuke now, after mastering the rasen-shuriken. Naruto still have to improve his speed though...

yay, an oro-sasuke arc would be nice, hehe way to go Marq :p

Karma
February 19, 2007, 10:26 PM
i strongly believe that naruto has at least on par with sasuke now, after mastering the rasen-shuriken. Naruto still have to improve his speed though...

yay, an oro-sasuke arc would be nice, hehe way to go Marq :p
Naruto is fast.. i think Kishi need to start showing it.. Because Kakuzu was fast.

reshin
February 19, 2007, 10:28 PM
Sauske...idk...

Naruto...ROOK. Powerfull, Limitless range of attack, and outside of a few basic tricks such as a "castle" utterly predictable. Still, something to keep an eye on.

Though thats chess, im not clear on how chess and shogi line up...but you get my point. Al shougi refrences are probably over with by now tho...


Well, they said that the children are the king. So, there's no use contradicting that.

In summation, the "chess piece" theory really suck. It is unclear and well, it's plain stupid to analogize konoha nins to chess pieces.

Kaddel
February 19, 2007, 10:29 PM
@ Karma
Sasuke doesn't need the sharingan to get past the kage bunshin. He is WAY faster than naruto. And no kakuzu was not that fast when he fought naruto (how far did he move, 20 meters). If naruto was super fast it wouldn't have show him running, he would have been instantly there and stupid ino would have gone "wow, look how fast he is!!"

Naruto is way to slow to and has no way to counter the MK Sharingan. Naruto may be better than kakashi, but he is still no match for Sasuke.

reshin
February 19, 2007, 10:43 PM
kakashi got the blood for the ritual in the first place.

Naruto is my favorite character but im not gonna start saying his best with tactics cause hes not. He made a split decision as he realised that his opponent was afraid of his jutsu and that their was a chance it could work. Sasuke could beat kakuzu and his has quite a few tricks of his own. If he got caught he would use that body chidori to paralise Kakuzu. Also im gussing sasuke sharingen would play a big part in the fight.

Before i would say naruto is a great tactician then he has to make a tactic that has almost 0 flaws. Simular to how Shiki makes his moves. Naruto is Chuunin level and nothing more. His new jutsu is dangerous but only if it hits. If it doesn't then naruto is in trouble. there are many high class ninja who just wouldn't allow themselves to be hit by naruto's jutsu.


Yup, Naruto is not yet on par with Kakashi-sensei. Kakashi might have said that Naruto surpassed him because he did the jutsu even the fourth failed to do.

But in other respects (i.e., Taijutsu/Ninjutsu/Strategy-wise) Naruto, could not possibly be on par with Kakashi. But Naruto HOLDS the potential to surpass even the fourth (even Kakashi said this), but not at this time YET. Naruto is still 15.

So, to sum things up, Naruto is not quite yet on par with Kakashi.

Then earlier on this thread, people are saying that Shikamaru could beat Naruto - well, that is not possible. Yeah, Shikamaru has the wits to outsmart Naruto but does he have the killer jutsu? No. I bet if Naruto make a thousand clones of him, Shikamaru could not pinpoint which one is true. Even he can't make a strategy on that attack.[br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 10:35:17 PM_________________________________________________

@ Karma
Sasuke doesn't need the sharingan to get past the kage bunshin. He is WAY faster than naruto. And no kakuzu was not that fast when he fought naruto (how far did he move, 20 meters). If naruto was super fast it wouldn't have show him running, he would have been instantly there and stupid ino would have gone "wow, look how fast he is!!"

Naruto is way to slow to and has no way to counter the MK Sharingan. Naruto may be better than kakashi, but he is still no match for Sasuke.


Sasuke don't have the Mangekyou Sharingan. But yes, he could kick Naruto's arse because of his speed. Naruto would be wasting precious chakra if he would produce thousands of Bunshins and fight with Sasuke.

Naruto's Shuriken Rasengan could also not hit Sasuke because Sasuke is way faster that him. Sasuke is still lightyears ahead from Naruto.

But if Naruto trained more, and find a way to counter Sasuke's fast moves, or if he develop a way to become faster himself, he could defeat Sasuke.

At this point, Naruto is still weak. Well, if Kishimoto made him stronger, then it would steal all the hype.

enlightened monkey
February 19, 2007, 10:48 PM
Hehe....to further on the Naruto vs. Shikamaru strategy, if Naruto were smart enough, he'd have whatever clone was caught/killed to dispell and pinpoint the enemy while any others would do the same if they found Shika or anything to do with him.

Naruto would, ultimately, then begin a beatdown since he's actually capable at taijutsu now in his own way. And Naruto's about as fast as the average chuunin so......

Now, I'm guessing here, but I'd take a bet on Oro and Sasuke starting a sort of crazy training ascent to "defeat Itachi".....and Oro could gain Sasuke's faith with his own hard work and then take Sasuke unawares one day and take his body....he's definitely strong enough to beat him still, so he'd do it one way or another, I believe.

Anyways that's a theory I guess, but still. Sasuke/Oro, a bit of Akatsuki, some jumps in Naruto's improvement hopefully. Here and there, little tasters for the next big battle.

reshin
February 19, 2007, 10:53 PM
Hehe....to further on the Naruto vs. Shikamaru strategy, if Naruto were smart enough, he'd have whatever clone was caught/killed to dispell and pinpoint the enemy while any others would do the same if they found Shika or anything to do with him.

Naruto would, ultimately, then begin a beatdown since he's actually capable at taijutsu now in his own way. And Naruto's about as fast as the average chuunin so......

Now, I'm guessing here, but I'd take a bet on Oro and Sasuke starting a sort of crazy training ascent to "defeat Itachi".....and Oro could gain Sasuke's faith with his own hard work and then take Sasuke unawares one day and take his body....he's definitely strong enough to beat him still, so he'd do it one way or another, I believe.

Anyways that's a theory I guess, but still. Sasuke/Oro, a bit of Akatsuki, some jumps in Naruto's improvement hopefully. Here and there, little tasters for the next big battle.


Well, I don't see even why we discuss the Shikamaru vs. Naruto thing. Shikamaru can't touch Naruto. Hehehe...

About the Sasuke / Orochimaru topic - Come on! Kishimoto would not go straight to that, he WOULD beat around the bush (as always).

I guess there's more on Akatsuki here getting wind of what happened to Hidan and Kakuzu. Then they would say that "It's ok, we don't need them..." or something like that.

We will hear from Sasuke and Orochimaru again maybe after 20 more chapters. Sigh...

Karma
February 19, 2007, 11:33 PM
@ Karma
Sasuke doesn't need the sharingan to get past the kage bunshin. He is WAY faster than naruto. And no kakuzu was not that fast when he fought naruto (how far did he move, 20 meters). If naruto was super fast it wouldn't have show him running, he would have been instantly there and stupid ino would have gone "wow, look how fast he is!!"

Naruto is way to slow to and has no way to counter the MK Sharingan. Naruto may be better than kakashi, but he is still no match for Sasuke.
I don't think Naruto is as fast as Sasuke or Kakashi. But he might find away to counter attack someone with speed.

I still don't think Sasuke is faster than Kakashi either.. [br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 11:27:46 PM_________________________________________________

Yup, Naruto is not yet on par with Kakashi-sensei. Kakashi might have said that Naruto surpassed him because he did the jutsu even the fourth failed to do.

But in other respects (i.e., Taijutsu/Ninjutsu/Strategy-wise) Naruto, could not possibly be on par with Kakashi. But Naruto HOLDS the potential to surpass even the fourth (even Kakashi said this), but not at this time YET. Naruto is still 15.

So, to sum things up, Naruto is not quite yet on par with Kakashi.

Then earlier on this thread, people are saying that Shikamaru could beat Naruto - well, that is not possible. Yeah, Shikamaru has the wits to outsmart Naruto but does he have the killer jutsu? No. I bet if Naruto make a thousand clones of him, Shikamaru could not pinpoint which one is true. Even he can't make a strategy on that attack.[br]Posted on: February 19, 2007, 10:35:17 PM_________________________________________________
Sasuke don't have the Mangekyou Sharingan. But yes, he could kick Naruto's arse because of his speed. Naruto would be wasting precious chakra if he would produce thousands of Bunshins and fight with Sasuke.

Naruto's Shuriken Rasengan could also not hit Sasuke because Sasuke is way faster that him. Sasuke is still lightyears ahead from Naruto.

But if Naruto trained more, and find a way to counter Sasuke's fast moves, or if he develop a way to become faster himself, he could defeat Sasuke.

At this point, Naruto is still weak. Well, if Kishimoto made him stronger, then it would steal all the hype. Good points..

Actually believe thats what Kakashi meant when he said Naruto surpassed him. its only in Jutsu. Because Naruto Made a S rank Jutsu and soon to be higher a Jutsu when its completed that Kakashi couldn't have done.

The 4th may have more than one S rank Jutsu. But couldn't complete the one that could have been higher than S rank.

neer
February 19, 2007, 11:37 PM
hmmm... there we go babbling about sasuke being uber fast again in tbe prediction htreads ...... Well i dont&#160; think so....

Naruto will easily kick sasukee ass when it comes to it :p&#160; The series name is Naruto not Sasuke :p

Sorry for that but I am done reading the arguments on this...

Predictions :

We see a lot more of orochimaru and sasuke along with some akatsuki plan of action after loosing two members

Karma
February 19, 2007, 11:37 PM
Well, I don't see even why we discuss the Shikamaru vs. Naruto thing. Shikamaru can't touch Naruto. Hehehe...
I agreed.. I think its pointless to compared Shikamaru with Naruto. Because Naruto can beat Shika hands down.

Shikamaru only smart and even him don't want it with someone like Naruto and Sasuke. Some people making the last battle with Hidan get to their head... :noworry

Reui
February 19, 2007, 11:51 PM
I dont get why people are saying Sasuke's speed makes him better than Naruto, Itachi is argueably alot faster than Sasuke and Jiraiya is argueably as slow as naruto, and Itachi is scared to death of Jiraiya.

Naruto can also Summon Ninja Frogs and still quickly form the original Rasengan and use other jutsu so its not like from the start of every fight hes going "Stand still for my Super Death ball!"

Naruto also isnt "That Slow" its just the way Kishimoto draws/animates him that makes him look slow. And anyways speed and strength arent everything, Shikimaru has neither and he is still kick ass.

Karma
February 20, 2007, 12:01 AM
I dont get why people are saying Sasuke's speed makes him better than Naruto, Itachi is argueably alot faster than Sasuke and Jiraiya is argueably as slow as naruto, and Itachi is scared to death of Jiraiya.

Naruto can also Summon Ninja Frogs and still quickly form the original Rasengan and use other jutsu so its not like from the start of every fight hes going "Stand still for my Super Death ball!"

Naruto also isnt "That Slow" its just the way Kishimoto draws/animates him that makes him look slow. And anyways speed and strength arent everything, Shikimaru has neither and he is still kick ass.
Well, you make some interesting points .. But Shikimaru shouldn't be compared with the main character. why? Because Shikamaru is a good guy and he's a genius. While Naruto is a Good Guy who is silly at times, Clever and powerful..

But as you say.. Kishimoto draw it to make it seems like Naruto is slow when he isn't.. and just like Jiriaya who happen to look slow. But actually move fast in Battle....

But the next Arc going to be about sasuke & Orchimaru.. a little about Naruto new Jutsu spoken about by INO and Chouji.

reshin
February 20, 2007, 12:21 AM
I dont get why people are saying Sasuke's speed makes him better than Naruto, Itachi is argueably alot faster than Sasuke and Jiraiya is argueably as slow as naruto, and Itachi is scared to death of Jiraiya.

Naruto can also Summon Ninja Frogs and still quickly form the original Rasengan and use other jutsu so its not like from the start of every fight hes going "Stand still for my Super Death ball!"

Naruto also isnt "That Slow" its just the way Kishimoto draws/animates him that makes him look slow. And anyways speed and strength arent everything, Shikimaru has neither and he is still kick ass.


What I mean is because Naruto is slow, this means that Rasengan will be impossible to hit. Even if he comes up with a strategy, it will be sure that Sasuke will always read few steps ahead of Naruto.

Also, even if Naruto develops a way to control the kyuubi, Sasuke will also be able to beat that since the sharingan can (according to the ninetails himself) overpower ninetail's chakra.

So, at this point, it is safe to assume that Naruto cannot beat Sasuke YET. We also have to have a clue on what the "forbidden" jutsu is for Naruto and Sasuke. (i.e, the one Oro and Jiraya told their respective apprentices not to use.)

I guess Naruto will also develop a "godspeed" skill himself (like the 4th Hokage). With this, he can hopefully match Sasuke in terms of speed and power.

Toad Sage
February 20, 2007, 12:28 AM
I may be going out on a limb here, but I think people tend to overstate (or maybe not) the importance of speed in a Naruto/Sasuke battle because they've been influenced by anime's depiction of their fight in the valley of the end. There, of course, we saw Naruto attacking Sasuke at lightning speeds and still losing due to both Sasuke's impressive speed and his sharingan. You bring up a good point though, Reui, by pointing out how speed doesn't necessarily determine the outcome of a fight.

reshin
February 20, 2007, 12:35 AM
Well, you make some interesting points .. But Shikimaru shouldn't be compared with the main character. why? Because Shikamaru is a good guy and he's a genius. While Naruto is a Good Guy who is silly at times, Clever and powerful..

But as you say.. Kishimoto draw it to make it seems like Naruto is slow when he isn't.. and just like Jiriaya who happen to look slow. But actually move fast in Battle....

But the next Arc going to be about sasuke & Orchimaru.. a little about Naruto new Jutsu spoken about by INO and Chouji.


Shikamaru cannot beat Naruto. Period. But Naruto/Shikamaru tandem can beat anyone. Shikamaru could hold every akatsuki down and Naruto would just blast the hell out of everyone.

Oh, maybe Jiraya would train Naruto how to use another element. That would be cool. How does Suiton Rasengan sound?

Raine_Joybringer
February 20, 2007, 01:12 AM
*sigh* I wanted to make the prediction that we'll be seeing Hinata, Kiba and Shino... but I'm really doubting we'll even see them within even the next arc/s.

Kaddel
February 20, 2007, 01:57 AM
I just have to say a few things...

1) Naruto is not fast enough to keep up with sasuke. PERIOD! (there is no evidence to show otherwise)
2) For the love of god, shino is by far my favorite character and I'm looking forward to the possibility of him being in the manga again.
3) SPeed is a huge factor in a battle. Naruto vs Sasuke is like a ww2 mustang vs a yf-22 stealth fighter.

neer
February 20, 2007, 02:25 AM
I just have to say a few things...

1) Naruto is not fast enough to keep up with sasuke. PERIOD! (there is no evidence to show otherwise)
2) For the love of god, shino is by far my favorite character and I'm looking forward to the possibility of him being in the manga again.
3) SPeed is a huge factor in a battle. Naruto vs Sasuke is like a ww2 mustang vs a yf-22 stealth fighter.


Ridiculous......... Ridiculous.......... Ridiculous.........

Thats almost as stupid as it can get................. If it was so wewould have 100 meter dashes for Chunin Exams... Bakha

Kaddel
February 20, 2007, 02:32 AM
really? give me an example.[br]Posted on: February 20, 2007, 02:30:43 AM_________________________________________________oh wait, I forgot, naruto has NEVER been given props for his speed.

kztxl
February 20, 2007, 02:36 AM
kaddel you're funny because the first fight naruto had with sasuke, he only had 1 tail out. that one tail alone was almost enough to take on sasuke's second form in power and speed. of course sasuke has that sharingan which pretty much kills naruto's thunder because sharingan can track him easily. but enough of that, go to the chapter with oro vs naruto, if naruto poped 3 more tails out, sasuke would have been bashed to dirt and you know it. also, for those who think sasuke has some how developed as far as surpassing oro, a legendary ninja, then you are delusional.

oro > sasugay
jiriaya > sasugay
oro > naruto [but come on, you've seen the ass kicking he got from naruto.]
jiriaya > naruto [got a huge scar from 'practicing' with naruto]

"Naruto is way to slow to and has no way to counter the MK Sharingan. Naruto may be better than kakashi, but he is still no match for Sasuke.
all in all, sasuke is of course in no way weak but to say he is faster or in any way better than naruto is just ignorant at this point."

kaddel, where are you pulling all of this from? the box of bs?
we don't know how fast sasuke "really" is and that goes the naruto also. stop basing your info on what you think but instead use hard given facts.

neer
February 20, 2007, 02:50 AM
really? give me an example.[br]Posted on: February 20, 2007, 02:30:43 AM_________________________________________________oh wait, I forgot, naruto has NEVER been given props for his speed.


And i forgot :p it seems that gaara was made Kazekaga for speed........ or Neji was the strongest jounin because of his speed.....

I am sorry I am qouting you again and agin kaddel but I am bored of this shit of Sasuke = cool and naruto = bore...

Thanks Kztxl you shortened my off topic posts .. Sorry to the mods... Gomaine

reshin
February 20, 2007, 03:07 AM
kaddel you're funny because the first fight naruto had with sasuke, he only had 1 tail out. that one tail alone was almost enough to take on sasuke's second form in power and speed. of course sasuke has that sharingan which pretty much kills naruto's thunder because sharingan can track him easily. but enough of that, go to the chapter with oro vs naruto, if naruto poped 3 more tails out, sasuke would have been bashed to dirt and you know it. also, for those who think sasuke has some how developed as far as surpassing oro, a legendary ninja, then you are delusional.

oro > sasugay
jiriaya > sasugay
oro > naruto [but come on, you've seen the ass kicking he got from naruto.]
jiriaya > naruto [got a huge scar from 'practicing' with naruto]

"Naruto is way to slow to and has no way to counter the MK Sharingan. Naruto may be better than kakashi, but he is still no match for Sasuke.
all in all, sasuke is of course in no way weak but to say he is faster or in any way better than naruto is just ignorant at this point."

kaddel, where are you pulling all of this from? the box of bs?
we don't know how fast sasuke "really" is and that goes the naruto also. stop basing your info on what you think but instead use hard given facts.


Naruto will not rely on the kyuubi power anymore because he has now a new jutsu in his arsenal. In fact, the reason why Kakashi helped Naruto to create FR is so that Naruto would not rely on the Kyuubi anymore because not only it shortens his life (like Tsunade's justsu), but it also render Naruto oblivious of what's happening (like Ozahru gorillas in DBZ).

So, it's a matter of logic, without kyuubi = Naruto speed reduced = Naruto < Sasuke. Well, that is for now, Jiraya or Kakashi might teach Naruto on how to parallel Sasuke's speed. Because honestly, relying on Kagebunshin in fooling opponents is a high risk like on what we saw on Naruto / Kakuzu fight.

Also, Naruto should not rely only on his FR on his fights. Being shortranged fighter is difficult, he should also learn jutsus that are long range - how about Rasenshuriken being thrown like a real shuriken? Now, that would be cool. But seeing a jutsu being used over and over again is boring.

So, what would be good is more training chapters for Naruto, that's what makes Naruto special, the training parts. Well, those parts are what I enjoy most. :)[br]Posted on: February 20, 2007, 02:53:18 AM_________________________________________________

And i forgot :p it seems that gaara was made Kazekaga for speed........ or Neji was the strongest jounin because of his speed.....

I am sorry I am qouting you again and agin kaddel but I am bored of this shit of Sasuke = cool and naruto = bore...

Thanks Kztxl you shortened my off topic posts .. Sorry to the mods... Gomaine




Hmm... for me, though all we saw in 342 is cool and all, I think Naruto still has ways to go for him to beat Sasuke. Even if Naruto use the kyuubi (which Kakashi told him not to do because it will endanger his life), Sharingan can defeat the kyuubi chakra (as ninetails said himself).

So, to beat Sasuke, Naruto has to improve himself without relying too much on Kyuubi. And creating a 100% FR is the start. He also needs to brush up on his Taijutsu, and we still have to see what the "forbidden" jutsu Jiraya mentioned Naruto not to use.

Maybe that jutsu is the key to this whole "Naruto-should-be-stronger-than-Kakashi/Sasuke/Orochimaru etc etc" posts. But then again, Sasuke has his own "forbidden" jutsu as well.

anrufen
February 20, 2007, 03:07 AM
No.... I still think Kishi shud give some time on showing Sasuke's Developement instead of some lame preview shots...really we also want to see wht he grew up to b....I hate sasuke...but still he is Team 7 and i wanna c how he turned out... mean Sasuke fanss have this wrong idea of Naruto still not bein a match for Sasuke....NARUTO IS STRNG myyy friends....and he will get stronger even FASTER...owing to the kage bunshin style traning!!! Trust me....Sasuke is GOOOD no dobt...but this tym the fight isnt goin to be with Naruto still bein da undrdog...and getting hit more than hitting!!! ITs gonna be more equal...and much more dramatic!!! But this fight is not gonna be b4 another arc!!!

sarna93
February 20, 2007, 03:08 AM
Dont forget that Naruto cant use kyuubi in front of Sasuke - becose he will banish him again like he did last time.

As for Kage bushins - the real fun starts now. Klons can do rasen shuriken just as well as the original. Naruto makes Tajuu Kage bushin an then WHAM - you dont now which side your going to be hit.

It appers that when Naruto will finish his jutsu ( remember he is only half way there ) he will be able to youse it lots of times (probably six times or more ) - and youse it not only to attack, but also as a feint and to deffend.

The possibilities are limitless - whit Narutos quick thinking and his balls he can screw aroun with anyone now - and with no kyuubi

reshin
February 20, 2007, 03:09 AM
Yeah, Naruto vs. Sasuke will be after a gazillion chapters. Maybe my grandson will tell me what happened.

But as for now, Naruto still is not strong enough for Sasuke.

Kaddel
February 20, 2007, 03:11 AM
"Naruto is way to slow to and has no way to counter the MK Sharingan. Naruto may be better than kakashi, but he is still no match for Sasuke.
all in all, sasuke is of course in no way weak but to say he is faster or in any way better than naruto is just ignorant at this point."

kaddel, where are you pulling all of this from? the box of bs?
we don't know how fast sasuke "really" is and that goes the naruto also. stop basing your info on what you think but instead use hard given facts.


There was that time in ye olde times when sasuke and naruto last met. Then sasuke jumped and put his arm around sasuke without anyone seeing him move. (there's my example)

What have you seen that shows naruto is up to speed with sasuke (still waiting)[br]Posted on: February 20, 2007, 03:09:54 AM_________________________________________________

Yeah, Naruto vs. Sasuke will be after a gazillion chapters. Maybe my grandson will tell me what happened.

But as for now, Naruto still is not strong enough for Sasuke.


THANK YOU!!!

I hope you guys don't think I'm a huge Naruto fan boy. I really have no preference between naruto and sasuke. All of my favorite ninjas haven't seen much action in a while (oro, shino, kankuro, gaara)

reshin
February 20, 2007, 03:11 AM
There was that time in ye olde times when sasuke and naruto last met. Then sasuke jumped and put his arm around sasuke without anyone seeing him move. (there's my example)

What have you seen that shows naruto is up to speed with sasuke (still waiting)


He is on par in terms of speed with Sasuke if he is in kyuubi mode. But Naruto will not use it anymore because he will now rely on the FR.

There. But without kyuubi, Naruto is slow.

Kaddel
February 20, 2007, 03:18 AM
He is on par in terms of speed with Sasuke if he is in kyuubi mode. But Naruto will not use it anymore because he will now rely on the FR.

There. But without kyuubi, Naruto is slow.


I totally agree.[br]Posted on: February 20, 2007, 03:17:11 AM_________________________________________________Also, in kyubi mode (four tails) he doesn't have the self conciousness to use any of his complicated abilities. He is just an animal with the need to kill.

voilder
February 20, 2007, 03:22 AM
omg bunch of noobs who thinks speed is everything.... garra doesnt have any speed but he beat 5 gate lee. naruto will beat sasuke even without the speed he will use something else to fill up his disavantage at speed. just like gai a strong shinobi who doesnt know any ninjustu.

reshin
February 20, 2007, 03:25 AM
I totally agree.[br]Posted on: February 20, 2007, 03:17:11 AM_________________________________________________Also, in kyubi mode (four tails) he doesn't have the self conciousness to use any of his complicated abilities. He is just an animal with the need to kill.


Yup, and on the fight with Orochimaru, Orochimaru told himself that he still has WAYS to go in defeating Sasuke. Orochimaru knows that MORE than anyone else, because he is the one observing Sasuke's growth.

From the previous post that says Naruto > Orochimaru, well, you're wrong. He still haven't unleashed his full potential there. He is just testing the waters. And he will not kill Naruto because he is for Sasuke. I guess at this point, Orochimaru knows the secret behind on how to get Mangekyou Sharingan.[br]Posted on: February 20, 2007, 03:22:33 AM_________________________________________________

omg bunch of noobs who thinks speed is everything.... garra doesnt have any speed but he beat 5 gate lee. naruto will beat sasuke even without the speed he will use something else to fill up his disavantage at speed. just like gai a strong shinobi who doesnt know any ninjustu.


Yeah, but does Naruto has the same level of defense like Gaara? I think he doesn't have. Naruto is just relying on his own endurance when fighting.

Yeah, he can use the kyuubi for defense purposes, but at this point, he will not, because he now knows the consequence this action would bring.

Kaddel
February 20, 2007, 03:25 AM
omg bunch of noobs who thinks speed is everything.... garra doesnt have any speed but he beat 5 gate lee. naruto will beat sasuke even without the speed he will use something else to fill up his disavantage at speed. just like gai a strong shinobi who doesnt know any ninjustu.


I don't know if you noticed, but the only reason Gaara was able to just stand there was because his one tail demon did nothing but use sand to block attacks. Naruto (especially out of 4 tail) does not have anything like this.

Try agian.

reshin
February 20, 2007, 03:28 AM
I don't know if you noticed, but the only reason Gaara was able to just stand there was because his one tail demon did nothing but use sand to block attacks. Naruto (especially out of 4 tail) does not have anything like this.

Try agian.


Nope, Naruto in kyuubi mode has tremendous defense (Jiraya mentioned this). But like we discussed earlier, he cannot use the kyuubi anymore for it will compromise his chances of staying sane in the heat of the battle.

So a defenseless and slow naruto needs to cook up something to be on par with Sasuke.

Kaddel
February 20, 2007, 03:35 AM
Nope, Naruto in kyuubi mode has tremendous defense (Jiraya mentioned this). But like we discussed earlier, he cannot use the kyuubi anymore for it will compromise his chances of staying sane in the heat of the battle.

So a defenseless and slow naruto needs to cook up something to be on par with Sasuke.


That's why I said out of four tail. But you have a good point. His mindlessness in kyubi form will not let him do anything fancy.

reshin
February 20, 2007, 03:41 AM
That's why I said out of four tail. But you have a good point. His mindlessness in kyubi form will not let him do anything fancy.


You were saying that Naruto does NOT have any defense like the one Gaara have. I replied that Naruto has one - the kyuubi chakra itself is acting like a defense chakra for Naruto.

But because of this chakra, Naruto himself suffers - every chakra points in his body exerts pressure thus, making him bleed, shortening his life in the process. It's like a double edge sword.

Kaddel
February 20, 2007, 03:43 AM
You were saying that Naruto does NOT have any defense like the one Gaara have. I replied that Naruto has one - the kyuubi chakra itself is acting like a defense chakra for Naruto.


Yes I did. But I said that outside of 4 tail (witch he will avoid at all costs). so ultimatley i agree with you.

reshin
February 20, 2007, 03:52 AM
Yes I did. But I said that outside of 4 tail (witch he will avoid at all costs). so ultimatley i agree with you.


Ah ok, I get it. Anyways, back to the topic where the others are saying that you don't need speed:

In summation, Naruto cannot beat Sasuke yet because he lacks in lots of different areas, one of these is Naruto's speed. It is given that Naruto has a new killer jutsu, but that doesn't matter if Naruto could not land it on a much faster Sasuke.

From the last confrontation with Sasuke, Naruto was not able to land even a single blow to Sasuke. This makes Naruto even not that capable to track Sasuke's movements. He could have dodged he could, but he wasn't able to. Now, how can he land a jutsu to an opponent who is that fast?

And from the other topic regarding Naruto vs. Kakashi - though Kakashi said that Naruto has surpassed even Kakashi, maybe this is pertaining to Naruto's growth in terms of Naruto having able to start completing FR. But that doesn't neccessarily mean Naruto could beat Kakashi 1 on 1 because Kakashi is far more experienced and far more better fighter than Naruto. He also has a killer jutsu that can finish Naruto without Naruto even seeing him strike.

voilder
February 20, 2007, 04:39 AM
I don't know if you noticed, but the only reason Gaara was able to just stand there was because his one tail demon did nothing but use sand to block attacks. Naruto (especially out of 4 tail) does not have anything like this.

Try agian.

exactly! there must be something naruto has to counter sasukes speed. maybe he will get a scroll that will disable the drug system inside of sasuke.
or maybe he can creat a mini justu that can fight sasukes speed. since naruto is so smart i think he can think of few trick that can track down sasukes attacks. there are just too many thing naruto can do to stop that speed of sasukes
[br]Posted on: February 20, 2007, 04:34:18 AM_________________________________________________

Ah ok, I get it. Anyways, back to the topic where the others are saying that you don't need speed:

In summation, Naruto cannot beat Sasuke yet because he lacks in lots of different areas, one of these is Naruto's speed. It is given that Naruto has a new killer jutsu, but that doesn't matter if Naruto could not land it on a much faster Sasuke.

From the last confrontation with Sasuke, Naruto was not able to land even a single blow to Sasuke. This makes Naruto even not that capable to track Sasuke's movements. He could have dodged he could, but he wasn't able to. Now, how can he land a jutsu to an opponent who is that fast?

And from the other topic regarding Naruto vs. Kakashi - though Kakashi said that Naruto has surpassed even Kakashi, maybe this is pertaining to Naruto's growth in terms of Naruto having able to start completing FR. But that doesn't neccessarily mean Naruto could beat Kakashi 1 on 1 because Kakashi is far more experienced and far more better fighter than Naruto. He also has a killer jutsu that can finish Naruto without Naruto even seeing him strike.

im not gonna to bother to rebutt ur kakashi > naruto statement since the story has already confirmed naruto is better than kakashi. just keep on with ur dream while everybody is enjoying watching naruto owning everybodys arse

reshin
February 20, 2007, 04:41 AM
Yeah, that's what I said earlier but then again, Kakashi is still better than Naruto.

Kaddel
February 20, 2007, 04:43 AM
Yes, Kakashi is still better than naruto. He is alot better at using what he has to take care of business. plus he knows all of naruto's tricks and naruto doesn't even know the half of what kakashi can do.

SnailBeast
February 20, 2007, 04:46 AM
Did you guy`s foget?
He was without ANY weapon when hr meet Sasuke, as more, he was STOPING kyuubi!
There is no way you can fight while you have biggest inner fight, so, do not tell me that he was not able to do anything. He just did not.
About defense...
It was stated that even Oro`s sword was not able to cut kyubi
Oro stated himself that Naruto is dangerous, Naruto just stopped by his own team...
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so, even kyubi mode we have not seen in full power!
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After all, stop talking about speed like yuo have seen difference.
Naruto is still using Kyubi non-tail form to fight, so he IS fast even if you talking Sharingan can see through anything...
Sasuke WAS NOT able to see direct attack from water. Itachi - from underground... They also have not brain of Shikamaru to "predict anything"...
do not upperstimate Uchiha!
Also I predict Naruto going to become The Ultimate Kage Bunshin User of High Kage Level

reshin
February 20, 2007, 04:50 AM
Did you guy`s foget?
He was without ANY weapon when hr meet Sasuke, as more, he was STOPING kyuubi!
There is no way you can fight while you have biggest inner fight, so, do not tell me that he was not able to do anything. He just did not.
About defense...
It was stated that even Oro`s sword was not able to cut kyubi
Oro stated himself that Naruto is dangerous, Naruto just stopped by his own team...
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so, even kyubi mode we have not seen in full power!
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After all, stop talking about speed like yuo have seen difference.
Naruto is still using Kyubi non-tail form to fight, so he IS fast even if you talking Sharingan can see through anything...
Sasuke WAS NOT able to see direct attack from water. Itachi - from underground... They also have not brain of Shikamaru to "predict anything"...
do not upperstimate Uchiha!


Please read the posts before yours. Naruto is not allowed to use Kyubii because his life will be shortened significantly because of the damage he gets from the dangerous chakra.

So, without the Kyuubi chakra, Naruto's speed and defense will lower considerably. We're not "upperestimating" Sasuke, we're just saying that with Naruto's current status, he will not be able to win against Sasuke because of the "proofs" we have stated above.

SnailBeast
February 20, 2007, 04:53 AM
I`ve read. But I`ll tall YOU:
read manga carefully, expecially, fight against kukuzu:
he DID used Kyuubi.

Kaddel
February 20, 2007, 04:57 AM
really? I don't rember seeing a tail

SnailBeast
February 20, 2007, 05:08 AM
just look into his eyes. It is the ONLY indicator of using Q-B:)
Tails are just form with more power and less control

Kaddel
February 20, 2007, 05:10 AM
exaclty, just his eyes and cheeks are a small boost to strength and speed. he doesn't get uber defense or speed until he gets the tails (esp more than one tail)

SnailBeast
February 20, 2007, 05:14 AM
He IS faster and stronger that in normal (stated by Sasuke and Deidara)

Kaddel
February 20, 2007, 05:22 AM
yes, he is. when compared to non 3rd stage sharingan sasuke

reshin
February 20, 2007, 05:26 AM
Waaah... I don't think Naruto is using the kyuubi there. If he was, there should have been a chakra shroud surrounding his body (i.e, when he fought against Haku).

koolaideprived
February 20, 2007, 05:53 AM
It does seem to me that whenever he's used even a small amount of QB chakra that his eyes change to slitted pupils and his whiskers are more pronounced. So I think he was using at least a BIT of QB chakra against Kakuzu.

reshin
February 20, 2007, 05:55 AM
But they would have said to someone at one point or another that - "Hey, Naruto is using the kyuubi chakra because he has slitted pupils."

But that still is a pretty plausible.. But Kakashi should have noticed it and say something like - "Hey, Naruto is using the Kyuubi chakra, if this goes on, he might lose himself."

Omi
February 20, 2007, 06:36 AM
Naruto and the Kyuubi's Chakra are suppose to be merging as time goes on. That's what Oro was afraid of during the Sannin fight. He can access it but going to tail modes usually requires cooperation of the kyuubi which at the same time is willing to give Naruto more and more of his power. However he didn't appear to do what he used to do in the past i.e. ask the kyuubi for power and gain a major boost.

Besides he is fast especially with his Kage Bushin usuage. Remember during the second bell exercise. Kakashi couldn't tell how/when Naruto got behind him even though he had the Sharingan on. I think what we thought was speed on Sasuke's part was actually a Sharingan trick. But even if he is uber fast say shielded Naruto fast (pre-tail 1) you still have to careful facing off with Naruto. If you are at arms length you better be the one to provide the first blow and run. If he learns or can execute a technique similar to 5ths technique, he would become as dangerous as the 5th was. Right now I guess it could be said that he may have surpassed the 5th in destructive jutsus but he isn't as dangerous yet.

Anyway on with my prediction. We see the beginning of the Akatsuki's attempt to get Oro. We will probably see a meeting during which they discuss the loss of their two members and then determine its time to kill Oro and get the ring back.

chocohexe
February 20, 2007, 06:42 AM
I think all of you are missing some think, if naruto use kyuubi or not is in the end not important. Because of his personality he grows always when his friends are in danger. This was when he makes the biggest power ups.
ANd so will it be in the future, he maybe look weak today, but when faces an enemy who is a lot stronger than him, we will see the result of his training and maybe things we can not predict.