Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

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You lot don't deserve a Christmas pic, so I'll wish you a Merry Christmas without pretty pictures :pwnge

I'm actually sendint this message from the phone so linking pics is way above my capability atm

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Originally Posted by Marche

Thank you, good pics, even if Ino does not show almost nothing, while Sakura breast are too big, her real breast does not even reach the half of the size of the breast of the Sakura in that picture.

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You know you're a serious fan when you start discussing breast size of fictional characters in a fanart, like Marche. I approve!

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Originally Posted by Marche

Thank you, good pics, even if Ino does not show almost nothing, while Sakura breast are too big, her real breast does not even reach the half of the size of the breast of the Sakura in that picture.

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haha lol, you will die with hinata's big breast..

Greetings Narutards (this is not a negative term)

I'm sure a lot of you enjoy technology and hold interest in various technological subjects. I'm happy to inform you that MH has opened a brand new section dedicated to all talk technology.

Take a look while you agonize over the immense amount of Hashirama cookies, and by all means post:
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/forumd...ion-Technology

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Originally Posted by so6pww

Is Databook superior to fact from Manga? Did Sasuke's Susanoo disappear when Sasuke went blind?
Please answer these question.

Against the Kages, we saw clearly Madara switching from Sharingan to Rinnegan. He activated both of them before using their power.

I see that very difficult for you to understand that only those who have MS can use Susanoo, and that the MS power is from the eyes. If I wanted to be serious, I will even have said that the power of the MS does not come from the body. I could use the example of Sasuke's EMS. Sasuke went blind, and his power disappeared despite having his body. After implanting Itachi's eyes, he obtained new light as Itachi explained. We saw Sasuke produce more Amaterasu than with his own eyes. He even commented that he could feel his brother's eye power. However, you know that Sasuke did not merge Itachi's body with his own.

So where did the huge amount of black flame come from since Sasuke's body did not change. The answer is Itachi's eyes. By combining their two eyes, Sasuke got more power. And I am really sure that right now, Sasuke also has a better version of Itachi's Tsukyomi by the same principle.

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Nothing in the manga counterdicts what was said in the datatbook, and as repeatedly mentioned, Sasuke didn't go blind. I like how you keep ignoring my point about Itachi.

Madara had his Rinnegan active when he employed his Susanoo, which disproves the argument you're attempting to make. And again, the techniques emerging from the eyes does not mean that they literally fueled by the eyes. As mentioned, Nagato and Obito got Madara's eyes and it didn't grant them any of his MS techniques.

Um, Sasuke was always capable of using an enormous amount of Amaterasu. He did so against Itachi and later against the Hachibi.

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Originally Posted by shahdan

Sasuke was aware of the repercussions? I don’t remember anything of the sort. Unless you don’t actually have a page to support this, I’ll hold on to this opinion.

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cnet128 - Chapter 385

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Itachi: Once they have been awakened, they begin their walk down the path to darkness. // The more they are used, the further they seal themselves away.
Sasuke: What are you getting at?
Itachi: The Mangekyou will one day be lost to the light.

cnet128 - Chapter 386

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Itachi: However... something strange started to happen to Madara's healthy body. // I told you already of the unique nature of these eyes... // The more they are used, the further they seal themselves, moving ever closer towards inescapable darkness.

tora-chan - Chapter 385

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開眼したその時から　その眼は闇へと向かう
Itachi: From the moment you awaken it, it brings you closer and closer to darkness

使えば使うほど封印されていく
Itachi: The more you use it, the more it becomes sealed

どういうことだ？
Sasuke: What do you mean?

万華鏡はいずれ光を失う
Itachi: Mangekyou will someday lose its light

tora-chan - Chapter 386

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しかし…　順調だったマダラの身に　ある異変が生じ始める
Itachi: However... Something unusual started to happen to Madara's otherwise healthy body.

さっき話したな…　この眼は特別だと
Itachi: As I told you, this eye is special.

使えば使うほど封印され　行き着く先は全くの闇
Itachi: The more you use it, the more it becomes sealed, and the end of the road is utter darkness.

HisshouBuraiKen - Chapter 385

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From the day you awaken it, your eyes begin a slow descent into darkness.
The more you use them, the quicker the process moves.

Sasuke: What's that supposed to mean?
Itachi: The kaleidoscope will eventually lose its light. (H: Remember - "Mangekyou" is the Japanese word for "Kaleidoscope" - it means "Mirror of 10000 flowers"]
SFX: Shwuuu

HisshouBuraiKen - Chapter 386

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Itachi: But suddenly, Madara began noticing a strange, frightening abnormality in himself.

As I told you before...
The more you use these eyes, the quicker their descent into an all-encompassing darkness.

Here we see Sasuke experiencing the risks for the first time.

Obito said this to Sasuke after the fight against Danzou in Chapter 482:

HisshouBuraiKen - Chapter 482

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You used your eyes too much...
At some point you need to drop the tough guy act.

...You risk dooming your eyes to eternal darkness.

molokidan - Chapter 482

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4: You used your eyes too much...
5: At some point you're going to have to stop acting so tough all the time.
6(2b): ...those eyes are about to lose their light..

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Originally Posted by shahdan

Itachi never had a full Sussano, he only had a complete version which Sasuke jumped to within an hour, including his usage of arrows. This isn’t potential? You have got to be kidding me.

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When I'm talking about a full formed Susanoo, I mean the one I linked to. And please don't change the topic. Obito and Orochimaru said that Sasuke's eyes will surpass Itachi's eyes. They didn't say that Sasuke will surpass Itachi someday (this statement would be correct btw). MS Sasuke never fought with a complete Susanoo, he has no feats. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by shahdan

No he can’t. He can switch off the genjustu, but nowhere in the manga is it ever alluded that Itachi can somehow use a milder version of the moon genjustu. He can control the fabrics of space/time and sensations within the genjutsu. For example, for Sasuke he opted for mental torture and for Kakashi he went for Physical torture sensations. Since Sasuke can overcome it easily, this advantage of his is lost.

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I never was talking about switching off the Genjutsu. I was talking about holding back and Itachi already did it against Kakashi. It's up to Itachi.

Besides, there is still no one who can prove that Itachi really take into account that Sasuke could maybe die in the fight. On the other hand I have proof in Obito and Itachi himself, who both stated that he (Itachi) decided to die by Sasuke's hands.

^ After his fight with Danzo? Right, so, that proves what? Nothing I am not already aware of. As you can see, Sasuke is constantly asking, 'what do you mean'. It's probable that the whole 'light and darkness' metaphor eluded him. Only after his fight with Danzo did the mystery unravel fully, or perhaps he just didn't want to understand, as beating Danzo was his only objective at that time. Whatever went with it, he probably would've accepted it, blindness included. As according to Danzo himself, he was over-using the eye techniques on purpose during the fight. Henceforth, it is highly probable he didn't care about the 'light'.

Also those haziness effects prove nothing. His eye was hurting very badly after Amaterasu. Granted this is manga, but even in real life if one over-uses the eye, you feel the effects. I myself have felt them, and a class fellow of mine who refuses to wear glasses, experiences black outs for a few seconds. This doesn't even remotely imply that one is going blind.

An uchiha is all about the Sharingan. Stop playing with words, because your A is B, so B is not C hardly makes any sense. He did not. Where is the proof? He shut it off so that he wouldn't kill Kakashi. He never cast a milder form of genjustu on Kakashi or Sasuke. Unless you don't bring some sort of proof, this is not debatable.

You wanted proof, I gave you the translation of three different people, where Itachi exactly explains that the MS will lose it's light the more it is used. He also gave a perfect example in Madara, who took the eyes of his brother (whether it's true or not is irrelevant to our subject) to gain new light. Furthermore Itachi stated that by taking your brothers eyes, the MS won't lose its light, heck why it is called Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. 

Sasuke overusing his MS on purpose and going blind so fast was his decision/fault.

About Tsukuyomi:
Itachi didn't shut Tsukuyomi off against Kakashi. He told Kakashi, that he will torture him for 72 hours (3 days).

-> http://www.mangapanda.com/93-147-17/...apter-142.html

After Kakashi is back in the real world, he went down on his knees. Asuma asks what happened and states Kakashi collapsed, while Itachi was talking. Then Kakashi analyzes the situation and comes to conclusion that the 3 days in the Genjutsu happened instantly in the real world and asks himself why Itachi didn't kill him. 

-> http://www.mangapanda.com/93-147-18/...apter-142.html

Right after that, Kisame jumps in and states that he is suprised that Kakashi is still alive.

So... I can prove that Itachi didn't shut off Tsukuyomi, because it's stated by Kakashi himself, that he was trapped 3 days in the illusion. 

Additionally, I can prove that Itachi hold back, because:

• Kakashi asks himself, why Itachi didn't kill him, which means that Itachi could do so with Tsukuyomi, but somehow decided not to do it.
• Kisame being suprised that Kakashi is still alive after eating Tsukuyomi confirms that this Jutsu kills his opponent. Kisame couldn't explain why Kakashi survived. 
• Itachi turning out to be a good guy perfectly explains why he didn't kill Kakaashi and therefore backs up that he was holding back

Itachi can hold back with Tsukuyomi. Instead of always asking me for proof (which I gave several times btw) how about you prove me that Itachi didn't hold back? That Itachi really take into account that Sasuke could die in the fight? How about proving Obito wrong about Itachi? Edo-Itachi himself said that he wanted to be judged for his crimes by Sasuke. Prove me that he was lying, that he didn't care if Sasuke would die or not when using all those MS Jutsus in their fight.

There is not a single panel proving that Itachi somehow "tested" Sasuke. Because he did not test him. He planned to die in this fight by Sasuke's hands, never intending to possibly kill him in any form, confirmed by Obito and Edo-Itachi himself.

When Itachi first wanted to use Amaterasu, he formed seals, which gave Sasuke enough time to throw the big Shuriken at him. Itachi never used handseals for Amaterasu, except for this case. Not to mention that he used Amaterasu twice 10-15 seconds after that without handseals, lol. The first one to counter Sasuke's Katon and the second one he used after Sasuke ran away.
He also never attacked Sasuke with Susanoo... so yeah, I have tons of good reasons to believe that he also hold back with Tsukuyomi.

^ I don't know if it's comprehension, or are you just adamant in believing your side of the story. Forget the blind part, I am still clinging to my interpretations which don't exactly prove your point in regards to Itachi's superiority. They prove squat.

As far as moon genjutsu goes, then that's precisely my point; he shut it off before it could kill him. He didn't prolong it. He couldn't have extended it to more than 3 days? It's obvious that he didn't want Kakashi to succumb to the torture sensations. How does it prove that Tsukoyimi was held back? Was it a milder, less potent form? Seriously, I keep asking you for this proof and yet you are throwing completely irrelevant links in your post. What am I to do with these?

Here is a link: http://www.mangareader.net/93-153-7/...apter-148.html - Itachi didn't even have sussano at the age of nineteen. He wanted to preserve his light for the third power, which is attained with 'double MS'. In Itachi's case, a conjunction of sun and moon. Sasuke developed his in a few days after his eyes developed MS.

No, your reasons are pretty much self-made, as Tsukuyomi and Amatersu work very differently. Let's not even go there.

I suppose it is possible to kill someone with Tsukyomi, eventually he would have an heart attack. But I guess the longer the illusion is, the more Chakra it takes and more it affects the eyesight.

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here is a nice little read, a reddit user did some sience on Sakura/Temari/Ino/TenTen/Hinata usefullness etc: http://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comme...he_manga_from/

I remember some people asked how Muu could know the Rasengan in chapter 553 (I followed a bit that discussion, not the whole one and don't know if it was mentioned)

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/553/4

It was Naruto who said that, the anime kinda confirms it.

Sorry if it was already mentioned :)

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Originally Posted by toussaintac

Wait. How was Konan ruined? If anything she was actually cooler around the time she died. She almost killed who kages could hardly lay a finger on. She had a 5 minute explosion technique or whatever it was. That was epic. I think Obito had to use Kamui and Izanagi. Although, it was kind of sad what Jiraiya did to her.

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Cooler, if you don't take into account that all her efforts were for not. That, and it took all those years for her to get all that intel, and in the end it amounted to jack crap. the funniest part about the situation is that people actually give crap to Obito. saying that " He only beat her because of Izanagi." I was not aware that a character in this manga could be discredited for having secrets that their opponent does not know about. I mean seriously, that just sounds like character bashing to me. (I'm looking at you Sawyer.) The fact still remains that her efforts amounted to jack crap. However, Obito deserves to be discredited because he kept one of his abilities a secret from his opponent? Yeah okay, seems legit.