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I'll use numbers to explain how strong of fighters they are i think they are.. Post timeskip;
1. Luffy - 10 000
2. Zoro - 9 000
3. Sanji - 8 000
4. Franky/Chopper - 5 0000
5. Usopp/Brook/Robin - 3000~4000
6. Nami - 2 000
This is not just sheer strength but fighting abilities.
I'll prolly put Jimbe at 8000~9000. I can't see him winning against Zoro, not just because Zoro is a beast but it seems like a poor match up for Jimbe
For me, it's more like:
Luffy: 20 000
Zoro: 18 000
Sanji: 17 000
Franky: 8 000
Brook: 7 500
Robin: 7 000
Chopper: 3 000
Usopp: 2 000
Nami: 1 000
IMO, there was, is & ever will be a big gap between each trio.
Is that supposed to be doukiri lol? Well, I am more inclined to thinking luffy is in the 20000 tier than in an 8000 tier. I don't think merely doubling his physical capacities would make the kid be worth a damn for the most part. I doubt nami would clear the 1000 for that matter. She is not a physical fighter, she relies on her weather control. I doubt she will ever display superhuman physical capacities. I also doubt robin would get 7000. Strength would help her but her role is not that of a fighter in that regard. More so, if the huge arms she is able to use are proportially stronger than normal arms then she would be absolutely insane which is not something she has ever shown to say the least. She is able to use mil fleur, imagine the sheer physical power she would have from 1000 arms if she has 7000 strength? I think her actual physical capacities would make more sense in the 400 or 500 tier and even then her power from using giant fused limbs would be insane. I also can't fathom robin actually matching in some form franky or brook lol. Chopper in turn should be higher than merely 3000. He is purely a physical fighter who seems to have mastered martial arts. I do think all of the strawhats should in general be superior to rookies although such a contest would not necessarily be defined by physical power. Ussop with that number would make sense. If he was about a normal human back in the day and made that much fat into muscles it would make sense he developed superhuman capacities. Still, he is a sniper who relies on tricks and range to win fights, he does not need insane physical capacities to be lethal so he could do with less.
On another note, I am not sure if 2000 or 3000 counts as a big gap between the monter trio. I don't think that number in itself would be large enough for it to be determinant in a fight, specially if special abilities come into play.
It was not douriki for me. Just an overall skill level ...
I was replying to Irukoi who said: "This is not just sheer strength but fighting abilities. "
sanji wasn't really "joking". he was really trying to destroy that door,yet he might haven't used his diable kick because his friends were too close to him,and might ahve been damaged if he had used it. btw,even those scientists knew that only vegapunk's px (and kuma) can use that beam,so it must be stronger than almost all attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naruffy
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Originally Posted by mattiaildivino
I just think that ranking Franky stronger than Sanji because Radical Beam > a nameless generic kick would be like me saying Sanji's stronger than Luffy because Hell Memories > a jet pistol.
I think the ranking order is quite simple:
1) Luffy
2) Zoro
3) Sanji
4) Robin
5) Chopper
6) Brook
7) Franky
8) Nami
9) Usopp
Chopper stronger than franky or brook? I really doubt that lol, not sure how that is even possible lol. Robin above either of them is weird too. Wasn't there an SBS that mentions the ranking of the strawhat's strength or says franky is the fourth strongest though?
I have to admit that for me it rather hard to find a place for nami at this point. Her physical prowess is obviously weak however the weather balls which she has apparently incorporated into her weapons are supposed to be something insanely strong if we take the scientist seriously. Heck, the skyfolk apparently used what could be a weather ball to start an actual storm over sanbody if I recall. In that regard, with a little prep time nami could perhaps seriously unleash an actual storm over her enemies. Nami should be pretty much one shottable however how do you rank her strength against ussop or chopper if she can potentially release a tornado on them?
I feel that Franky is seriously underrated here, i cant shake the feeling that after the time skip Sanji is least improoved character and that Franky equals Sanji in terms of fighting abillity. we all forgot that Franky is imune to bullets and probably can take a lot more beating than Sanji and we are jet to see Franky in a real fight.. post time skip i mean.
Sanji vs Franky: Sanji gives him the fodder treatment. As simple as that.
I can't wait for his first real fight post-timeskip. Thinking that Franky is even near his level is pure nonsense.
Sanji is Zoro's rival for god's sake. He broke the neck of a pacifista easily. His speed is beyond believe, he can litterally cook opponents, he can fly & you can be sure that he can use haki. And you think that Franky is at that level ? I don't even think Franky would be able to touch Sanji in a fight
Simply reading comments like Franky >= Sanji is annoying the hell out of me. But it's partially Oda's fault because he used Sanji as comic relief in the past arc.
simply becouse you favor one character over another does not make him stronger so i will have to shot down your argumens one by one becouse clearly you are not being objective.
I dont recall that two of them ever had a showdown so we cant compare actual strenght between Zoro and Sanji. Yes they are fighting all the time but thats only personality clash nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by zelllogan
are refering to that time when Sanji and Zoro took second pacifista TOGETHER!Quote:
Originally Posted by zelllogan
He can fly !! big deal, Franky can drive that giant transformer and please answer me how can I be sure that Sanji have haki... where was it mentioned?Quote:
Originally Posted by zelllogan
please understand that i am only looking at things from different angles as im trying to stay objective bcz statemens like Sanji own Franky never had basis in facts. Proove me wrong!
Sanji has been shown to be stronger since pre-timeskip, why would that change all of sudden?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoronoa Roro
Compare their opponents; Jyabura and Kaku in particular. Kaku had a douriki that was 20 (?) higher, but Jyabura was the only member of CP9 that could move with tekkai/tekkai kenpo and was a carnivorous zoan fruit user which Chopper said are more suited for battle than herbivore zoan's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoronoa Roro
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Originally Posted by Zoronoa Roro
I though it was pretty obvious that either one of those attacks would of destroyed the Pacifista. Sanji has constantly fought tougher opponents than Franky, and was the only one to get back up and confront Kuma, along with Zoro. I thought it'd been pretty well established that the Monster trio were the 3 strongest in the crew and I doubt that it'd change.
Okay, I may have to reorganize my opinion:
1) Luffy
2) Zoro
3) Sanji
4) Franky
5) Brook
6) Chopper
7) Robin
8) Nami
9) Usopp.
Satisfied?
You didnt understand what i was trying to say, pre time skip i have no objection to Sanji being stronger than Franky but after time skip we have full character transformation with Franky... almost everything was changed! appereance, powers... only his personality stayed the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by Naruffy
You do realize everybody trained right? It's not just Franky that changed. Franky's shown nothing that would put him above Sanji in terms of strength. Until he proves otherwise, which I doubt will happen, the monster trio will remain the strongest 3 in the crew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoronoa Roro