So like I've been saying Atobe = Sanada (approx.). To really answer the question they would have to play each other.
And if they did, given Atobe's history, I would see it going into a tiebreak (where anything can happen). Heck, I wonder when Atobe has actually gotten smashed in a match. He seems to always claw his way to a tiebreak.
It will be interesting to see what happens when Atobe is actually overwhelmed -- the way the canon goes, maybe he evolves a new technique at that time.
Recall that Tachibana was considered better than Atobe when he was introduced. But clearly we know that's not the case. What we really need is a serious match between Sanada and Atobe. I think we can agree that would be a good match!
This discussion can go on for a while. The bottom line is that -- I think, Atobe is not done. We'll see him continue to evolve. I wouldn't be surprised if he and Tezuka end up at a comparable skill level toward the end of the series (Tezuka is clearly better right now).
Unless Atobe gets an incredible technique that can compete with POP, then it'll be hard for him to reach his level.
Don't forget about Atobe's Insight. His Insight allows him to analyse shots and the opponent's behaviour and movements, which allows him to figure out how to return a shot and what the opponent's weakness is. If Atobe had to face Sanada, his Insight could perhaps even predict the random movement of Rai and he might even be able to return it. Also, fast shots do not work on Atobe as shown when he returned Mach. So maybe Black Aura shots but definitely Fuu would be returned by Atobe. We also know that World of Ice > FuuRinKaZan as shown when Yukimura said that Sanada would have lost if he continued (unsure about Rai and In). Atobe Kingdom beats everybody but will Atobe have a chance to use it?
Although overall I do reckon Sanada is better than Atobe, but Atobe would put up a very good and close fight.
I dont know how this went on so long lol.
Atobe and Tezuka? Not on the same level, Atobe 7-6 score with a freakin injured Tezuka, Hiding Doubled Return on top of that.
Tezuka >>> Atobe and they arent real eternal/equal rivals like you think. @fdsjkl
Atobe VS Sanada? Rai can only be handled in the series so far by Yukimura, Tezuka (Possible Echizen Ryoma).
Atobe WILL lose. Dont care for the scoreline, but it WILL be a confident loss for him.
Atobe's Insight may predict Rai? Cool. Tezuka was able to predict it and get the ball to him with TZ... It raped his racket.
Your Techinque MUST be at Yukimura's level at the minimum OR have Tezuka Phantom, (Which cant be used excessively so Sanada will still overcome it coz he has decent endurance).
Unfortunately, Yukimura is depicted to have amongst the best Technique in the series. And TPhantom is only used by Niou and Tezuka.
Sorry but, Atobe is a level below Tezuka, Yukimura and Sanada. Always has been. We will see if that changes.
Going by his match against Ochi, your a joker if you think Atobe is at their standard.
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I wouldnt be surprised either but, right now as you have said. Atobe stands no chance.
How strong is Atobe really? In the tier with Akutsu, Niou, Tooyama, Fuji and Shiraishi.
Yeah, but for the way it's going in the series right now, shouldn't we predict things by 3 sets? If Sanada's Rai can win the the first set. And 7 more use (according to Kaoz) for another game. How'll he beat the other 2 set?
Since if Niou can also do many sets, and the next MSers that appear do a few sets, then its clear that EVERYBODY'S stamina stat has lifted at a reasonable amount.
@LetalHawk, Tooyama can hit 5 at once, but on Atobe's serve, Tooyama stands no chance if he Atobe brings out AK. Akutsu should be able to handle any ''dead angle'' shots with ease as he can hit any shot from any position. But it doesnt mean he will wipe Atobe as Atobe still has his good variety of smashes and techniques.
Remember Atobe shut down Muga Ryoma for a long time.
Also, Tooyama and Akutsu arent on Sanada, Yukimura level.
So they grouping them with Atobe and Shiraishi is appropriate.
He'll need Black Aura to beat Atobe.
I love how ppl on this forum post technique Y owns technique X ergo player Y wins. In PoT, there is some mid-match revelation that obseletes the godlike status of technique Y. Techniques in PoT are ephemeral.
But whatever. If I was a betting man. I'd say that closer to the end of the series Atobe will be on the same tier as Sanada -- if he isn't already. Possibly, Tezuka (but I wouldn't bet on that one).
I think that after THE MOST Extreme training session Konomi has given us in the series (Mountain Training) will give the best results we have seen so far.
Your using HUMAN Logic for PoT again. Could ya stop doing that lol.
If Niou gets shown to be able to cope with 3 sets, then Im telling you Every other Top MSer including Sanada will too. Lightning will last him pretty long after training.
WITH BA Atobe is a dead man, but I reckon Sanada could still defeat him w/out BA.
You ask how much can someone improve? Kawamura's ability to taking a beating is fantastic. Even better than the Nationals I think. Summer of Danji KO'd Nakagauchi who survived against Krauser's best techniques which BADLY hurt Kirihara. Its likely that Date Danji > Ishida Gin.
Kawamura survived Date.
So I reckon every other MSer's endurance lifted. So did Kabaji's, Im guessing Kintaro's endurance for pain lifted too. So im not saying the endurance lift is exclusive to Sanada. I reckon ALL Losers now have better endurance for pain.
Sanada > Atobe. And likely without BA.
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You havent come here to argue REALLY have you? Your being an intense Atobe fan right now lol.
With the current evidence, Sanada > Atobe confidently. But with plot power where Atobe suddenly learns a new technique then sure, anything can happen.
However this makes EVERY discussion on PoT pointless mean nothing.
We could say, Momoshiro/Kaidoh/Kite/Inui/Kirihara/Oshitari. Y gets a new technique that breaks ALL of Fuji's counters suddenly in the match.