Being a Kenpachi means that person has the strongest combat capabilities and most likely, the most overwhelming firepower in general, but it doesn't make a Kenpachi as the strongest Captain overall by any means.Quote:
Originally Posted by devstauk
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Being a Kenpachi means that person has the strongest combat capabilities and most likely, the most overwhelming firepower in general, but it doesn't make a Kenpachi as the strongest Captain overall by any means.Quote:
Originally Posted by devstauk
I agree. Also there is more to a fight then just raw power. Also your type of ability would matter. And your battleexperience. Another part is your instinct as a fighter. Something Ichigo greatly exceeds at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hakuteiken
Okay i will put my hands up to that, but the fact is Unohana was a killing machine from what i understand, and she must of had her share of running's with people as smart as Aizen, the fact remains that Aizen really didn't want to stick around when she showed up back in the SS arc. All im saying is Aizen shouldn't be classed near the RG or Yama in terms of strength which is what i have read from the posts, this is a thread about Yamamoto's strength being weaker then the RG's. If people want to discuss Aizen being close to or near RG's level then do so in the Aizen mega thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hakuteiken
And Aizen was smart and one step ahead of everyone due to one simple thing and that was his Haxx ability, lets face it everyone now knows what his ability is, although his bankai is still a mystery. So they know not to be touched by his sword.
I would agree with that. The comparison itself has little to do with Aizen, since the Royal Guards never even had any sort of encounter with Aizen, so, it belongs to the power level thread mostly.Quote:
Originally Posted by devstauk
If the thread turns into too much Aizen, I can move the posts away when needed.
Anyway, we'll see how this debate will turn out once the monk Guard reveals his contribution. It looks like he's the unvoiced leader of the group or the strongest amongst all.
It should be noted that Aizen and half the captains have yet to release their Bankai so there is no telling what any of their "real" power is yet. The fact that the younger Captains with Bankai seem weaker than the senior Captains with Shikai should tell us all something.
I don't think Yama was weaker than the RG's. Each of them have a unique trait or skill that sets them apart and is interesting to the Soul King. But that doesn't mean they're stronger than Yama.
Personally I'd go with none of them are stronger, maybe Osho but we have to see.
Together is of course a different matter but until they show what they're capable of, I'd go for no seeing how monstrous Yamamoto's Bankai is, heck Kubo just wanted to make it as powerful as Fire and Heat can be and chose to go with the heat of the Sun's Core not thinking about what it means.
Yama's Bankai essentially made him invulnerable, gave him a sword that couldn't be blocked, and he also had avaliable an undead army.
In hindsight, I'm not sure what the Royal Guards Bankai's could be to exceed that in power.
I don't think Yamamoto is weaker than the Royal Guards, based on how he was still the captain of all captains. Pretty sure if one of the Royal Guards were stronger, one would have challenged him to become the leader of the Gotei 13, considering how old he was and how his power could have diminished as result. Since Yamamoto was still the leader, either no one challenged him or he flattened everyone who did. I doubt anyone would let him be the leader if he wasn't strong enough to be one.
Well why would the Royal Guards want to leave their positions of power? I'm not saying they are stronger than him, but even if they were, why challenge him, they have it pretty good where they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by M3J
I assume he was referring to the time when the Royal Guards were still captains back in SS (under the theory that they were all captains at some point under Captain-Commander's commander). In that case, it would be likely for someone with the greatest power amongst all to take the lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delbi
If he meant it as to why they didn't come back from the Royal Dimension to claim the CC position, that would make little sense.
Moving further while taking that into consideration, if they are all from the first generation captains of current Gotei formation or higher, they would probably be classified inferior to Captain-Commander. Still, going by the fact that there were 5 people in the Royal Dimension protecting the Soul King, we aren't provided with any manga facts to say they were on par with Captain-Commander or above him in terms of sheer strength.
Why wouldn't they want to lead the Gotei 13? They can have extra power under them as well, and be able to have more freedom, I think? Plus, if one of them could beat Yamamoto, it meant that Yamamoto wasn't strong enough, and that he could likely be beaten by any enemy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delbi
No, I'm referrin to the Royal Guards at any stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hakuteiken
Coming back from the Royal Dimension as the direct subordinate of the Soul King to lead a bunch of Shinigami doesn't really make sense. They have access to an immense power that is off the charts by SS standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by M3J
Even if they became stronger in their stay as a Royal Guard, I doubt they will try to return to SS for CC position.
Not to mention they are perhaps obliged to stay in the Royal Dimension, unless the Soul King allows them to leave. Hikifune's promotion was more of an order than it was an optional promotion or so it seems.
Not enough information to make a clear judgement on this topic just assumptions. So I'm assuming that Yamaji might still have been stronger then the Royal Guard members that used to be apart of the Gotei 13 under his command. As for the one's who never served under him, I assume that atleast one of them is stronger then he is and my money is on the priest.
If they are that powerful, then why let Yamamoto be the captain if he stood a chance of losing? Wouldn't that be too risky? Nothing states they'd have to stay in Soul Society to be the the commander, they can appoint someone else as commander or co-commander if they trust the person and his/her strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hakuteiken
Plus, Yamamato's bankai is overpowered as hell. If nothing else, that puts him on a completely different scale from others.