Whitebeard Commanders vs. Impel Down Alliance
All characters are as they are in their peak appearance...
"Phoenix" Marco
"Fire Fist" Ace
"Diamond" Jozu
"Flower Sword" Vista
"Hammer Space" Blamenco
"Living Flail" Rakuyo
"Shark Tooth" Namur
"Strongman" Blenheim
"Great Gunner" Curiel
"Iron Gauntlet" Kingdew
"Moe-Sword" Haruta
"Water Buffalo" Atmos
"Speed" Jiru
"Flaming Katana" Fossa
"Okama Samurai" Izo
vs.
"Strawhat" Luffy
"Mr. 0" Crocodile
"First Son of the Sea" Jinbe
"Okama Queen" Ivanakov
"Crab Chan" Inuzuma
"Supa-Man" Daz Bones
"Clown Pirate" Buggy
"Wax-Man" Galdino
"Mr. 2" Bon Kurei
"Amazon Empress" Hancock
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Fight Takes Place In The Frozen Marine Ford Bay...
No Prior Affiliation Considered... They all fight like enemies...
Re: Whitebeard Commanders vs. Impel Down Alliance
I don't see how this battle goes anyway other than for the Whitebeard Commanders. They have the most powerful combatant, and they outnumber the Impel Down Alliance. The individuals listed between Inuzuma and Hancock aren't operating anywhere near the level of the Commanders, and they constitute almost half of the team.
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The difference in total military strength is too great in this match-up. The only fighters worth mentioning for Impel Down are Crocodile, Jinbe, Luffy, and Hancock. You could have the list of Whitebeard Captains in half, and they'd still stomp.
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Well, I for one think the trick is "in their peak appearance"... And in Luffy's group, there's two Haoushoku users, and as Luffy is predestined to become the Strongest of the Strongest anyways, the latter two parts will save their victory.
On the other hand, there were WB commanders that weren't shown that strong. Such as Blamenco, Rakuyo, Namur, Curiel, Atmos, and Jiru.
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hoeru
Well, I for one think the trick is "in their peak appearance"... And in Luffy's group, there's two Haoushoku users, and as Luffy is predestined to become the Strongest of the Strongest anyways, the latter two parts will save their victory.
On the other hand, there were WB commanders that weren't shown that strong. Such as Blamenco, Rakuyo, Namur, Curiel, Atmos, and Jiru.
They weren't shown that strong because they were fighting people who were just THAT strong. Beside, Marco, Jozu, Ace and Vista alone can most likely dominate this fight (assuming Marco alone wouldn't solo all of Impel Down Alliance, seeing as how he is physically immortal against Haki or no Haki).
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hoeru
Well, I for one think the trick is "in their peak appearance"... And in Luffy's group, there's two Haoushoku users, and as Luffy is predestined to become the Strongest of the Strongest anyways, the latter two parts will save their victory.
On the other hand, there were WB commanders that weren't shown that strong. Such as Blamenco, Rakuyo, Namur, Curiel, Atmos, and Jiru.
Considering that you seem to consider SBS stuff as canon, then all the WB commanders are equal in strength, stated by Oda himself... So you got 15 fighters at the level of Marco, in front of what ? Luffy, Croco, Jinbe, Ivankov, Hancock only... Seems settled to me
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RezzieThaRapper
All characters are as they are in their peak appearance...
"Phoenix" Marco
"Fire Fist" Ace
"Diamond" Jozu
"Flower Sword" Vista
"Hammer Space" Blamenco
"Living Flail" Rakuyo
"Shark Tooth" Namur
"Strongman" Blenheim
"Great Gunner" Curiel
"Iron Gauntlet" Kingdew
"Moe-Sword" Haruta
"Water Buffalo" Atmos
"Speed" Jiru
"Flaming Katana" Fossa
"Okama Samurai" Izo
vs.
"Strawhat" Luffy
"Mr. 0" Crocodile
"First Son of the Sea" Jinbe
"Okama Queen" Ivanakov
"Crab Chan" Inuzuma
"Supa-Man" Daz Bones
"Clown Pirate" Buggy
"Wax-Man" Galdino
"Mr. 2" Bon Kurei
"Amazon Empress" Hancock
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Fight Takes Place In The Frozen Marine Ford Bay...
No Prior Affiliation Considered... They all fight like enemies...
I don't quite see how this fight isn't heavily leaning towards the commanders. The most positive scenario for the impel down guys is that luffy has his post time skip strength however even in that scenario the commanders outclass and outnumber the ID folks. The only ones worth a damn in the ID crew are crocodile (a logia with attacks that cover a wide area of effect and dehydratation is not quite something which you can oppose through strength), jinbe, hancock and ivankov. Inazuma is in a rather ambiguous location in terms of strength, he could be anywhere between shichibukai and fodder. Post time luffy would obviously be a huge asset however not enough to actually turn the tide. Then we have daz bones who is objectively weak and would get fodderized by any commander, galdino, bon kurei and buggy who don't match up to daz. If we are talking about pre time skip luffy then he simply gets fodderized by any commander too.
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KingOfNight
They weren't shown that strong because they were fighting people who were just THAT strong. Beside, Marco, Jozu, Ace and Vista alone can most likely dominate this fight (assuming Marco alone wouldn't solo all of Impel Down Alliance, seeing as how he is physically immortal against Haki or no Haki).
Well, Marco is one thing, sure. He's got Busoshoku skills and a flying mythical zoan which heals almost every injury - but still the power is limited at some point as it's a Zoan. Jozu is able to use Busoshoku, too, as seen when he rams Crocodile. Vista is confirmed Buso user, too. But even though Oda said, that they're all "equal in strength" IIRC somewhere in Vol. 59's SBS'(?), that doesn't say anything about them being equal in skills or that they have the equal chances. As seen when Marco and Vista were going after Akainu who considered them as problems (ch.575) and later overwhelmed Curiel like nothing (ch.579) just like Ivankov and Inazuma (Ch.578).
As much as we know, Ace never used Busoshoku nor did he have control over his Haoushoku, not even in his peak.
And Namur should be stronger than Jinbe? I beg you: Jinbe is strong enough for two commanders at once if not three. It's also funny that some seem to look at Daz being fodder just because he was overwhelmed by Zoro in Arabasta and taken out quickly by Mihawk.
BTW. Hancock came out of the War without a single scratch, an we're talking about Luffy in his peak appearance which we haven't seen yet nor are we going to until he overpowers Akainu and Blackbeard, and in that case, Luffy could take on all commanders at once just as Akainu did in Marineford.
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hoeru
BTW. Hancock came out of the War without a single scratch, an we're talking about Luffy in his peak appearance which we haven't seen yet nor are we going to until he overpowers Akainu and Blackbeard, and in that case, Luffy could take on all commanders at once just as Akainu did in Marineford.
If we haven't seen it, it's not peak appearance.
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Originally Posted by
hoeru
Well, Marco is one thing, sure. He's got Busoshoku skills and a flying mythical zoan which heals almost every injury - but still the power is limited at some point as it's a Zoan. Jozu is able to use Busoshoku, too, as seen when he rams Crocodile. Vista is confirmed Buso user, too. But even though Oda said, that they're all "equal in strength" IIRC somewhere in Vol. 59's SBS'(?), that doesn't say anything about them being equal in skills or that they have the equal chances. As seen when Marco and Vista were going after Akainu who considered them as problems (ch.575) and later overwhelmed Curiel like nothing (ch.579) just like Ivankov and Inazuma (Ch.578).
As much as we know, Ace never used Busoshoku nor did he have control over his Haoushoku, not even in his peak.
And Namur should be stronger than Jinbe? I beg you: Jinbe is strong enough for two commanders at once if not three. It's also funny that some seem to look at Daz being fodder just because he was overwhelmed by Zoro in Arabasta and taken out quickly by Mihawk.
BTW. Hancock came out of the War without a single scratch, an we're talking about Luffy in his peak appearance which we haven't seen yet nor are we going to until he overpowers Akainu and Blackbeard, and in that case, Luffy could take on all commanders at once just as Akainu did in Marineford.
I don't think Oda said they all are on equal level, i just read the SBS not too long ago he said that the rank and the division they command doesn't indicate their power.
As far as we know Marco was never seconded to anyone, his power has no limit and even if it did, he never showed any signs of such thing. He is seen as invincible unless his power is nullified. The same goes for Jozu who nothing can penetrate his diamond skin.
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Impossibility
If we haven't seen it, it's not peak appearance.
Of course it is.
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this fight isn't fair, the commanders got the upper hand from the beggining to the end..
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hoeru
Of course it is.
Then describe this peak that you are talking about... Start with Luffys peak appearance.
