The Breaker : New Waves 101 Discussion

Just read the chapter :) I see Shioon is SSJ now, have you noticed how his haircut was drawn hehehe Luckily for us, we have a chance to see "the enhanced" Shioon's BOT against a solid opponent. IMHO Donkarang will be proven that his Gale Wind Strike is nothing compared to a plain Soul Crushing Strike in SSJ :P
I'd love to see Shioon mop the floor with Donkarang to the point where the latter acknowledges Shioon superiority and falls into his harem of converted bad guys.
I don't know why but to me Donkarang and Cool Guy are very much alike. They both seem to be "old school" murimins who like things fair and square. He also is not I-can-ravage-and-rape-because-GMR-is-my-idol type of a guy, unlike Smug face, Psycho Bitch and Thousand Faces.

I wouldn't be suprised if he eventually joins Shioon after seeing that "student surpassed the master". Look what happened to So-Chun Hyuk, he fought him, and now he is in love with him LOL. Smiling blade also became his best buddy after being hit once. Cool Guy is also on par with them in that matter :)
Either way, hopefully next chapter will be all blood and crushing bones :D

side note: I wonder when Shiho wakes up. Will she be a zombie then? LOL

This is really confusing. So when shioon swallowed the dan was it:
A. Large ki amounts stored in his body, small ki center , but enlarged meridians because of gmr.
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B. Large ki centre because of tons of ki by dan, and meridians enlarged by gmr.

Also because he is walking spirit medicine, isnt that even better than a ki center, however big it is?
He is a walking sun/moon dan . And what do sun/moon dans do? They endlessly produce ki. And endlessly heal his body.
A ki center, big or small shouldnt matter to shioon as long as its working. He still has large amounts of ki stored everywhere in his body (and still producing because he is still spirit medicine), has the best healing factor in murim and because of gigantic meridians can apparently withstand even the most powerful ki attacks that do internal damage. ( immunity to accupressure attacks and now even the dreaded gale force cant reach shioons internal organs.)

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Originally Posted by s2k03

Im confused did the doctor give him a bigger ki center?? and why is the elder saying he maybe doesnt need a big ki center, also if his ki center is that of a normal person wouldnt that mean he would be restricted to using all of his power?? This chapter is kinda confusing....

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Not sure - he might have. It di says that hs ki center was back to that of a normal person. The problem is ki is too large.

now i'm confused too.... :)

so Shioon's Ki center is like a normal person? but his meridians are too large so the what the doctor said to Elder Kwon is that they need to make Shioon's Ki Center large to compensate for the large meridians?

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what the doctor and Elder Kwon is talking about this:
Shioon's Ki center is a normal person but his meridians are large and the doctor said that why shioon have a Ki Center of a normal person but his Merdians are too large(like a master level murim) then Elder Kwon give us a hunch about what is "that" secrets inside Shioon's body

maybe this means Shioon doesn't need a Ki center at all (small or big) because he already have the necessary Ki inside his big meridians

that means the Ki flow will not get reversed even when using BOT because there is no circulation at all maybe that's why when he used BOT before and didn't kill the people he see's

The way i understood it:

Shioon always had a small Ki center. Shiho gave him the pill which is pretty much pure Ki, thus Shioon got to have the Ki amount level of a master or even higher. The problem now was of course that his meridians (Ki channels) were too narrow for such a big amount of Ki, his body could have exploded, thus 9arts forcefully extended his meridians (Ki channels) to that of a master, appropriate for the amount Shioon has. Unfortunately, 9arts destroyed Shioon´s Ki center which also made him lose the Ki that the pill gave him (not too sure about that but i think it´s right). Now his meridians are still large but his Ki center is like it was before he ate the pill. That´s why the doctor thought that his center is still not fully repaired since the difference between his master level meridians and his small Ki center is just too big and not explainable (at least for him). Now the BOT technique comes to play which gives the user unlimited Ki (at least the way i understood it).

Btw, who wants to see Shioon doing this next chapter?

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Miyamoto he didnt lose any of his ki due to GMR breaking his ki center, he just couldnt use it at the time. Also i dont know the explanation is really terrible this chapter and confusing......

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Originally Posted by s2k03

Miyamoto he didnt lose any of his ki due to GMR breaking his ki center, he just couldnt use it at the time. Also i dont know the explanation is really terrible this chapter and confusing......

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Really? Then where is that Ki supposed to be then?

to miyamoto I suggest you read the breaker new ch 17, where the quack doctor explains the state of shioon's body at the time.

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Originally Posted by jerryeleko

to miyamoto I suggest you read the breaker new ch 17, where the quack doctor explains the state of shioon's body at the time.

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Thank you for that but isn´t it weird? I mean the doctor who is talking to Elder Kwon in the last chapter should have realized that Shioon still has much Ki.

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Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi

Thank you for that but isn´t it weird? I mean the doctor who is talking to Elder Kwon in the last chapter should have realized that Shioon still has much Ki.

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He knows that - but is wondering a bout his ki center which is suppose to help regulate it or something. He siad the problem was that center was trying to grow bigger. Elder Kwon siad after their test were done - it seemed like his normal ki center was not huge. So he figured the reason for Shiwoon abnormal strength or abilities was something that GMR did to him or taught him.

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Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi

The way i understood it:

Shioon always had a small Ki center. Shiho gave him the pill which is pretty much pure Ki, thus Shioon got to have the Ki amount level of a master or even higher. The problem now was of course that his meridians (Ki channels) were too narrow for such a big amount of Ki, his body could have exploded, thus 9arts forcefully extended his meridians (Ki channels) to that of a master, appropriate for the amount Shioon has. Unfortunately, 9arts destroyed Shioon´s Ki center which also made him lose the Ki that the pill gave him (not too sure about that but i think it´s right). Now his meridians are still large but his Ki center is like it was before he ate the pill. That´s why the doctor thought that his center is still not fully repaired since the difference between his master level meridians and his small Ki center is just too big and not explainable (at least for him). Now the BOT technique comes to play which gives the user unlimited Ki (at least the way i understood it).

Btw, who wants to see Shioon doing this next chapter?

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i agree with the way u see it, it's like u said.
Shioon has always had a normal ki center, 9arts made large his meridians to save shioon of dying. What didn't have sense for the doctor was the difference between ki channels and ki center size.
Ki center is what creates ki, but due to the pill shioon ate it doesn't matter the amount of ki his "normal ki-center" could produce, since he can use the stored ki of the pill, that it's the same as having the biggest ki-center

And i'd love it if shioon uses that skill , maybe some bones crushing too XD

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Originally Posted by jerryeleko

I know I'm new to the idea of forum discussion but, according to the a-team translation Shioon has the ki-center of a regular person but has the meridian of the highest masters in the murim.

The difference is that ki-center accumulates ki, which is the ultimate goal of every murim-in that uses inner energy, while the meridian dictates how much ki can be distributed to the entire body. In other words, if you have a regular ki-center but your meridians are too large then you wouldn't be able to last for 5 minutes in the middle of a fight because you would be exhausting your ki reserves too quickly. On the other hand, if you have a large ki-center but your meridians are too small then the amount of ki you can put into your attacks become very limited but in exchange you may be able to fight for hours.

Anyway the point is that Shioon has no need for a bigger ki-center because his body produces ki regardless of his will, which is why acupoint does not work on him: refer to chapter 35 of the breaker new waves.

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so that would mean his entire body is a ki center?
pretty cool

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Originally Posted by hopeandlight

so that would mean his entire body is a ki center?
pretty cool

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yes just like the mad doctor said to Asian Kimbo Slice . Shioon is a walking Spirit Medicine.

because of the dan shioon produces alot of ki in his blood stream and since his ki centre (which gathers and stores and helps ciruclate ki) was broken he cant use that ki, so to remains dormant and gives him an amazing recovery rate.
when shioon first took the dan 9 arts expanded his ki channels so he would survive. His centre didnt change at all.
Basicly the ki centre size doesn't matter for shioon at all since his body produces massive amounts of ki at the highest level.
why do you think the mad doctor was taking his blood and then giving him that medicine, he did it so shioon's body would produce more blood he could take. thats why he wanted to dissect shioons body to see how it worked.

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Originally Posted by shakes12

because of the dan shioon produces alot of ki in his blood stream and since his ki centre (which gathers and stores and helps ciruclate ki) was broken he cant use that ki, so to remains dormant and gives him an amazing recovery rate.
when shioon first took the dan 9 arts expanded his ki channels so he would survive. His centre didnt change at all.
Basicly the ki centre size doesn't matter for shioon at all since his body produces massive amounts of ki at the highest level.
why do you think the mad doctor was taking his blood and then giving him that medicine, he did it so shioon's body would produce more blood he could take. thats why he wanted to dissect shioons body to see how it worked.

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so... since he has a normal ki centre, shioon is already healed, right?