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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    You are talking about some made up technique -- Rai. Let's talk about facts then shall we? Every time that a major character, e.g, Ryoma, Atobe, faces adversity in the form of a broken...
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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    Do I need to give you a math lesson? We have some hidden variables and we have some observed variables (like Rai). I can put some equations in this post, but to keep it short, let me just say that we...
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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    Gotta say, there are two styles of thinking on this board. There are people who think solely in terms of techniques...and those that think in terms of characterization.

    Atobe will always be an...
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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    Pl reread my post. I said Atobe beating Sanada 7-0 is more likely than Sanada beating Atobe 7-0. I didn't say either scenario was likely. I base this off the fact that Atobe has a knack for getting...
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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    Look, I understand where you guys are coming from. But, its like someone said,..., Drive B lasted a long time (against fodder opponents mainly) to establish Ryoma's identity. The way the canon goes,...
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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    You are right -- it does apply to both sides. What I'm seeing in this thread is that people hype up Sanada because of Rai or Black Aura...saying that Atobe can't cope with these techniques...

    The...
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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    Trust me. I am no comedian. Its not 'plot power'. It is the fact that we have simply not seen Atobe get challenged enough or pushed to the brink of losing.

    When Atobe gets wiped to the floor (like...
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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    I think we've reached a consensus. But one thing that I disagree with is your emphasis on techniques. New techniques can just pop up randomly in a match. Given the track record in the canon, if Atobe...
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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    Like I said earlier. Its unfortunate that Atobe plays crippled or sandbagging characters, e.g, Tezuka and Irie. We don't get to see his true potential.

    It will be interesting to see what happens...
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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    And yet Yuki said that Sanada would have lost. Its not specified whether that is with his other techniques or not, but we may assume that Yuki knows Sanada well enough to make that statement.

    So...
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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    Right. Also to illustrate that Atobe and Sanada are comparable -- that they should be in the same conversation -- consider that Atobe and Sanada formed the doubles pair.

    And here's a quote from...
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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    Good points guys. I think you've reached a consensus. Again, I like Atobe, but we have to be objective.

    For some reason when watching the anime, reading the manga, etc. it seems that Atobe is...
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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    Good points. I'm talking at a very high level that Atobe seems to be Tezuka's true rival -- even if Sanada was better than both of them.

    To provide an analogy. In pokemon you start as blue...
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    [Character] Re: How strong is Atobe ... really?

    Interesting take. Feel free to provide more details -- I am genuinely interested.


    The way I see it is that Atobe and Tezuka have this long-term rivalry (Tezuka has acknowledged this). Ergo,...
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    [Character] How strong is Atobe ... really?

    Atobe seems like Tezuka's rival -- and Tezuka has acknowledged so, e.g. , when boarding the bus from the U17 camp.

    Atobe has also had the most growth at the camp. So why is it that he is ranked...
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