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And this just brings the question again, if Hashirama could beat Madara already before the formation of Konoha, and if madara can just stomps on the Gokage the way he did... then how int the world...

Dude... if we could scale this chapter from 1 to 10 I would rank it -12 big time: -12 for all the awesomeness and good writing we were used to and excpecting from the previous flashback chapters. It...

This chapter was excellent (so was Bleach's). It showed well the tensed situation of that taht time. it reminds me of Basilisk: Kouga Ninpou Scroll. A real ninja story with no crap. And did we all...

Dude, that's big time major poor reasoning. That's not logic.
1)There's not indication that Madara used Kyuubi's chakra as a power source for himself (absorbing it or using it for his Susano'o that...

What are you referring to, dude? I feel like the guy who doesn't laugh while all others are pissing their pants because I don't understand the inside joke.

I thought abotu it too. And to be honest, since Setsuna was introduced when Tobi talk to Sasuke about Itachi and Konoha, I always thought that eh would be the ebst candidate to be Tobi other than...

Concernign you 2nd point, about Madara's Susano'o and Kyuubi: you say that as you suspected, Madara can't use full/perfect Susano'o without Hashirama's cells and that this chapter proved. False.
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The chapter was simply LEGENDARYLY MYTHICALLY EPIC!!

Madara and Hashirama are chakra Titans. And now we even see hashirama with Sennin Mode.
And the Kyuubi wearing Susano'o like an armor to...

THIS CHAPTER WAS AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME!!

I'm not sure if Orochimaru is in his best state, but even he knew shit was about to come down! And Suigetsu melting was fun as fuck. And the respect...

Yeah right, of course. Itachi and Sasuke being born aound 20 years later? Nope, later. Itachi and Sasuke being potential Madara's on their own? Not even close a drunken Saturday evening. Itachi has...

As some else pointed out already, what Tobirama did was wrong plain and simple. HE DID NOT LET GO OF HIS OLD MENTALITY. Taht's why he did what he did, not because Uchiha were a potential threat to...

Re-read the manga, madara gain supporters only after his appearent death because of Tobirama,s repressive measures. NOT A SINGLE UCHIHA SUPPORTED MADARA FOR HOKAGE SHIP NOR FOR HIS ATTACK ON...

Thank you very much.



You just ate what Tobirama said straight down your throat and, as you mentioned it earlier, assumed he was telling the truth. There's no such thing as to indicate that...

http://www.mangareader.net/93-83-13/naruto/chapter-78.html

When Kakashi said the Uchiha were believed to have originated from the Hyuuga. But Part 2 makes it more than unlikely.

Said the same thing about the Elder Son's point of view. Meaning that the Elder said power/might/strength not because he was a warmonger, megalomaniac Lex luthor, but because he was not an utopist. ...

Tobirama and Madara have something in common: they didn't want to let it go. And despite the Anti-Uchiha movement of some, Tobirama really messed up by his actions. At the begin Uchiha and Senju are...

I knew it! This also explains why Madara was the first ever to awaken the Mangekyou Sharingan.

The Elder Son, as I always understand, and unlike what too many kept repeating, did not choose...

Not only is th Juubi shinking (in size) if you noticed, but it less powerful then it should be even though there are only 7 of the bijuu in it.

Madara against a whole division and the Gokage did...

You didn't what was written, did you? Why would the Rikudou Sennin develop the 12 signs used for Shinobi arts in the known ways if all he always did was wish things to be for them to be? ANd the...

You're wrong dude and contradict yourself. If the monk's teachings (knowledge, abilities and skills) were called ninjutsu, and if his the 1st to kow them and who taught it the others, then it, by...

I saw long ago scenes taht made me thought about increase of chakra created by great determination with the case of Sasuke, but not involving Susano'o but ratehr the Chidori:

Sasuke during his...

You're not countering my point in reference to what I was replying to. Nothing to suggest Rikudou was an Uzumaki. There weren't several times in which Uzumaki's unique ability as excellent hosts. It...

Nothing sugegst that RS was an Uzumaki. Uchiha and "SenjUzumaki" came from Rikudou sennin's genetic attributes being split into 2 parts.

"Only Uzumaki clan members have been strong enough to...

Uh... how to put this... I was thinking about this, about what Kishimoto could ccome up with as an axplanation for Kyuubi recognizing Tobi/Obito.

Do you think that Kishi could say: "Well, Kyuubi...

Amusing chapter... But Kishimoto really doesn't care about the chronology of his own work: Obito being there in the time of Nagato's youth... come on. What the f*** is this?!?!?IT's impossible....

Madara should be able the perfect form of Izanagi: Rinnegan Banbutsu Souzou since he possesses the Rinnegan and the Rikudou Sennin's body. But for plot rerasons, I doubt he will spam it, maybe even...

I think Kishimoto-sensei wil simply use "Gedo Rinne Banbutsu Souzou: Reality Warping - Plothole-because-I'm-the-author no jutsu", just likehe did with Tobi being Obito. That and the scroll with...

You, obviously, don't understrand the situation and didn't read my whole post.
The whole relationn between Tobi, Madara, Kisame-Zabuza-Yagura, Itachi and Kyuubi makes illogical for Obito to be Tobi....

So it would seem that Kishimoto is really going for the "Tobi really is Obito" then (few hope not, still)... what a crap. Whay too many flaws.

But still, Madara made the chapter awesome, huge,...

Uchiha Shisui didn't have that time limit snce it was his Mangekyou in his body, but Itachi isn't Shisui and Shisui's MS that Itachi had wasn't in its original body. To use it more often one would...

If not izuna, I'd say Setsuna, one of those who wanted to revive Madara's project to preserve the safety and strength of the Uchiha when Tobirama lkicked them out of the Conseilling ranks and put...

Another interesting thing about Tobi's right Mangekyou: be it his or not, how come it didn't go blind yet. Kakashi's eyesight with his is decreasing, Sasuke's, for plot reasons, turned blind after...

Even Itachi, the Don super-duper archein of the prodigious genius world who defeated the Uchiha Clan and a Sannin at 13 without near as a scratch, sweat or drop or dirt on him didn't progress so...

I still don't buy it all the explanation about why Tobi can't be Obito can't be broken. This this doesn't make sense. Iwould bet a million nuggets that even if it's Obito's Zetsufied body it can't be...

I put in Sasuke (and then Chouji) as a referencial point for clans reknown for their impressive stamina/chakra capacities as the Uchiha inherited the Sage's vast and strong chakra and from some that...

Hashirama was unique for his outstanding stamina, even by Senju Standards, to the point his life force, like Orochimaru's cells, had parasitic properties. Just like Madara and Izuna were outstanding...

The Kyuubi's chakra long time effects were still there. just not the constant flow going into Naruto's body. WHen Gaara lost Shukaku he could still use the sand because of teh long time effect of...

I almost thought this was going a little too easily for Sasuke with Orochimaru justr accepting his request like that. But Orochimaru, imo, will simply try to absorb Sasuke again after explaining...

I would thing it to be a way to quickly combine UChi9ha's and Hashirama-level Senju's gene into one being to recreate the Rikudou Sennin's whole genetic make and apowers. I suspect that there might...

So Orochimaru is still alive in the Curse Seal of Anko, no wonder why Itachi took it away from Sasuke too, it wasn't simply so that he wouldn»'t resort to a wicked power. And Sasuke wants to know...

I was hoping for Madara to use His Rinnegan to revive himself or counter the Edo Tensei release... but what he just did (and I'm not sure I understand it clearly) just reminds me of what Minato did...

Danzou said that if the Uchiha were to rebel and itachi joined his clan they would all be obliterated by the village, Sarutobi and himself,
but from from what it looks, considering Itachi's...

These 2 were the best, imo.

It would be like a Western-style blitzlried with the 2 of them looking at each other and than a coming-from-nowhere leaf touches the ground, the fastest/most experienced/most precise of them 2 would...

As THM Nindo , Uchiha_Blood and Naruto2011 put: perfect Juubi jinchuuriki Rikudou Sennin (even without the Juubi within him) completly owns Rikudou Madara.

That dude beat the Juubi,
-sealed it...

Part1: Once upon a time in ninja world...

Part2:... some DBZ mages showed up. What's the link with part 1?!

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Gokage: "Extreme annihilation whoop-ass required in the desert alley. We repeat: Extreme annihilation whoop-ass required in desert alley."
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Madara not only has the Uchiha-style Izanagi (flawed) he also has the perfect one granted by the Rinnegan He can even go as far as using Banbutsu Sōzō like Rikudou Sennin did. Izanagi/Banbutsu Sōzō...

Gokage: "Extreme annihilation whoop-ass required in the desert alley. We repeat: Extreme annihilation whoop-ass required in desert alley."
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When I see how powerful Madara is right now, and considering that this full Susano'o level is what he displayed long ago against Hashirama... when I remember that he now has a "perfect"...